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| 00:16.31 | Jack87 | rwhitby, no i wouldnt ever demo it in corporate cusomer scenario like intel did ;) |
| 00:17.08 | Jack87 | its my personal swiss army knife computer |
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| 00:41.00 | DrFunk | sup Jack87 |
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| 00:52.55 | PuffTheMagic | Jack87: yo |
| 00:52.58 | PuffTheMagic | blueman works nice |
| 00:53.12 | PuffTheMagic | and my ppp0 (evdo) connection is still up |
| 00:53.19 | PuffTheMagic | what were u talking about before |
| 00:53.37 | PuffTheMagic | when u said something about evdo getting turned of when bt pan is created |
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| 00:54.54 | zsoc | yo |
| 00:55.40 | DrFunk | sup zsoc |
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| 00:56.59 | zsoc | oh you knoq |
| 00:57.03 | zsoc | s/knoq/know/ |
| 00:57.10 | zsoc | xaiki: boo |
| 00:57.21 | DrFunk | same old crap |
| 01:00.39 | DrFunk | well I'm off going to watch the pitt game |
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| 01:09.56 | Abyssul | Is Precorder 0.3.0 currently? |
| 01:10.34 | zsoc | Abyssul: er, in testing feed yes |
| 01:10.54 | zsoc | Abyssul: I'm going to test audio caps |
| 01:12.50 | Abyssul | Mmk |
| 01:13.10 | zsoc | Abyssul: unless you want to? :P |
| 01:13.17 | zsoc | it's much quicker if i do. but i need to find a micro usb cable |
| 01:13.18 | Abyssul | Hmmm Rick has a photoeditor and action video games in his PPT lol |
| 01:14.01 | Abyssul | I wouldnt mind testing it |
| 01:14.33 | oil | someone make a gd service |
| 01:15.15 | zsoc | makes a gd service |
| 01:15.19 | zsoc | oil: what service am i making again? |
| 01:15.45 | oil | http://www.boutell.com/gd/ |
| 01:16.31 | Rick_work | Abyssul I do??? |
| 01:16.44 | Abyssul | You have it listed |
| 01:16.50 | zsoc | oil: oh, nifty |
| 01:17.09 | Abyssul | I think you saw that and you kind've pause with a puzzled look |
| 01:17.18 | Abyssul | I dont know of any of those apps |
| 01:17.45 | oil | zsoc: i've done more image manipulation with php's gd implementation then I have with most gui editors |
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| 01:18.52 | Rick_work | Oh that... well, those are exactly the sort of things that wouldn't work right now in the app catalog |
| 01:19.00 | Rick_work | and it seemed more appropriate than russian child porn |
| 01:19.16 | zsoc | Rick_work: although that is also available |
| 01:19.23 | Wahots | O.o |
| 01:19.23 | oil | ohh |
| 01:19.26 | endersama | hey, is there any app/possibility of an app for oracle's sql developer on the pre? |
| 01:19.34 | Abyssul | Haha |
| 01:19.45 | Abyssul | It's amazing how far the community has come |
| 01:22.01 | Rick_work | isn't it? |
| 01:22.14 | oil | is it? |
| 01:22.22 | Abyssul | oil: yes |
| 01:22.31 | Wahots | a small gui for sqlite would be cool |
| 01:24.07 | oil | would it? |
| 01:24.19 | endersama | Wahots: yeah. I have an oracle sql server that I use for homework. if I could write code directly to the dB it would be siqq |
| 01:24.22 | Abyssul | rick_home: When did you give this PPT? |
| 01:24.26 | oil | html5 databases are such a pita |
| 01:24.47 | Wahots | oh and I had to dr my pre over the holday, lost all my palm profile contacts which was most of my contacts from my old phone |
| 01:25.29 | Abyssul | Wahots: Sadly thats gonna happen to nearly everyone until Palm fixes this. |
| 01:25.53 | Wahots | ya, I plan to store everything with google |
| 01:26.20 | Abyssul | Thats what I did after I lost my contacts back when web os 1.0.3 was released |
| 01:26.30 | Wahots | luckily I had a CSV copy of my contacts from the old phone |
| 01:27.11 | endersama | I've always had my default mail app set as my gmail, so when I dr I had everything back |
| 01:27.55 | Wahots | well so did I but the guys at the sprint store was the one that imported my contacts from the old phone |
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| 01:29.10 | Wahots | they said it would sync them to google but only ones I made changes to synced |
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| 01:36.21 | Rick_work | Abyssul Oct 26 at Sprint Dev Con in San Jose |
| 01:36.33 | Abyssul | hmm |
| 01:37.41 | endersama | oh, i've never used ssh before but is it possible to connect to a sql server and run statements through a shell? |
| 01:38.08 | Rick_work | endersama some ssh servers yes |
| 01:38.17 | Rick_work | endersama some sql servers, no |
| 01:38.47 | Rick_work | endersama some sql servers do not expose an interface of that type. What kind of sql server? |
| 01:38.54 | endersama | hmm, mines an oracle sql xe server |
| 01:39.20 | Rick_work | no idea |
| 01:39.26 | Rick_work | you need an oracle person |
| 01:40.19 | endersama | Rick_work: developing straight through an app would be so much easier than having to vnc to a client :P |
| 01:40.34 | Abyssul | Is there a porn feed? Jw lol |
| 01:40.44 | Rick_work | Abyssul not that I know of |
| 01:40.52 | Abyssul | I know of the feeds currently in Preware lol |
| 01:41.15 | Rick_work | there are a handful of private feeds, but they are private. :-) |
| 01:41.39 | Rick_work | Some developers have put up private feeds to distrubute their betas to their internal teams using preware |
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| 01:41.49 | Abyssul | Nice |
| 01:42.14 | Abyssul | I wonder what Palm is going to do with protecting app source code |
| 01:42.16 | Rick_work | a feed is just a static html web page. an apache dir, with a descriptive file and the ipk's. |
| 01:42.25 | endersama | any idea where to knock to get access? |
| 01:43.52 | endersama | that's one of the mytether developer's problems, you can google mytether 2.0.4 and get the .php page with the unix install lines |
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| 02:06.35 | Sargun | Rick_work, that's where they're doing the WiMAX stuff, right? |
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| 02:21.38 | Abyssul | Pfft |
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| 03:28.21 | xaiki | zsoc: haha I owe you a mail. |
| 03:28.26 | xaiki | zsoc: I didn't find all too much =( |
| 03:28.37 | zsoc | xaiki: come to #wirc |
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| 03:35.19 | endersama | I'm looking into getting sqldeveloper (oracle) in app form on the pre. is it possible to install jdk on webos? |
| 03:36.30 | oil | because typing queries with the pre keyboard is good? |
| 03:38.12 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, ping |
| 03:38.22 | PuffTheMagic | Jack87: yo |
| 03:39.10 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, sorry i was gone. if you start your bluetooth pan look at your EV on the phone it will disapear for amin and come back when tethering app is being used |
| 03:39.29 | PuffTheMagic | i didnt notice that |
| 03:39.41 | PuffTheMagic | but i was looking at ifconfig |
| 03:39.48 | PuffTheMagic | from a shell |
| 03:39.55 | PuffTheMagic | and ppp0 never when down or changed ip |
| 03:40.12 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, ya it never actually goes down |
| 03:40.26 | PuffTheMagic | so what is the significance of EV disappearing? |
| 03:40.51 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, its really odd.. but when the EV disapears your phone will not have connectivity and i believe your computer wont either |
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| 03:41.44 | PuffTheMagic | thats not true |
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| 03:42.02 | PuffTheMagic | EV disapearing means nothing |
| 03:42.47 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, Ok good to know... in the past it did cause issues but i think its been slightly changed in 1.3.1 |
| 03:43.02 | PuffTheMagic | Jack87: idk what you are talking about |
| 03:43.04 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, glad blueman worked for you |
| 03:43.13 | PuffTheMagic | it probably had more to do with the bullshit myTether does |
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| 03:43.19 | PuffTheMagic | like stopping the connectionmanager |
| 03:43.21 | endersama | oil: yes, it would be a good thing |
| 03:43.39 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, it does not stop connection manager.. well atleast not anymore |
| 03:44.28 | PuffTheMagic | then how is it keeping ip_forwarding enabled? |
| 03:45.41 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, i am not exactly sure. i can tell you for a fact it does not stop connection manager for the donor version.. the free version still stops connection manager |
| 03:46.09 | PuffTheMagic | you paid for that thing? |
| 03:46.10 | Jack87 | netconfigmanager |
| 03:46.11 | PuffTheMagic | ewww |
| 03:46.26 | oil | lol |
| 03:46.38 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, haha it was created at my request actually |
| 03:46.47 | PuffTheMagic | ? |
| 03:47.16 | PuffTheMagic | u think were the one that first wanted a "tethering" app? |
| 03:47.18 | Jack87 | http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/185206-possible-tether-work-around-7.html#post1707837 |
| 03:47.36 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, haha thats not what i said |
| 03:47.39 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: oh god, don't go off on him :> |
| 03:47.44 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 03:47.54 | PuffTheMagic | and wtf is netconfigmanager |
| 03:48.20 | PuffTheMagic | PmNetConfigManager |
| 03:48.23 | PuffTheMagic | u mean that? |
| 03:48.29 | Jack87 | yup |
| 03:48.41 | PuffTheMagic | yeah that is not what used to "get killed" |
| 03:48.48 | PuffTheMagic | PmConnectionManager was |
| 03:48.51 | Jack87 | i know |
| 03:49.03 | Jack87 | pmconnectionmanager doesnt exist in 1.3.1 |
| 03:49.30 | PuffTheMagic | right |
| 03:49.34 | Jack87 | it was replaced by pmnetconfigmanager which did exist in 1.2.1 but didnt do anything |
| 03:49.45 | dBsooner | I couldn't figure out how to use freeTether. :* |
| 03:49.56 | Jack87 | dBsooner, i tried to help |
| 03:50.03 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: it works on bt and usb |
| 03:50.04 | PuffTheMagic | ;) |
| 03:50.06 | dBsooner | Jack87: not over BT.. Just over USB in general |
| 03:50.14 | PuffTheMagic | both work |
| 03:50.17 | Jack87 | dBsooner, do you have driver installed |
| 03:50.22 | dBsooner | I plugged in the USB, selected Just charge and nothing happened. |
| 03:50.29 | dBsooner | I have novacom driver, yes. |
| 03:50.34 | Jack87 | you need to enable usbnet |
| 03:50.41 | PuffTheMagic | did u start freeTether gui? |
| 03:50.43 | Jack87 | the release that you have does not have option to enable usbnet |
| 03:50.46 | PuffTheMagic | did u enable nat+ip_forwarding? |
| 03:50.47 | dBsooner | Puff, Yes. |
| 03:50.51 | dBsooner | Yes. |
| 03:51.02 | dBsooner | It had no ip addresses listed |
| 03:51.02 | PuffTheMagic | u prob didnt have usbnet working |
| 03:51.06 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, he needs to enable usbnet and isntall usbnet drivers |
| 03:51.29 | Jack87 | dBsooner, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/USBnet_Setup |
| 03:51.33 | Jack87 | what OS are you using |
| 03:51.48 | dBsooner | Jack87: I know how to setup USBNet.. I had no internet connection at all, so I couldn't do anything. |
| 03:52.29 | dBsooner | And since I reinstalled Win 7 on this new hard drive, I don't have novaterm or the python script downloaded. |
| 03:52.39 | dBsooner | So I had no way into the pre from the desktop. |
| 03:53.12 | Jack87 | dBsooner, terminal app? boot strap? |
| 03:53.25 | dBsooner | I was at a birthday party, I really didn't care taht much. |
| 03:53.34 | Jack87 | lol im going to let PuffTheMagic take over |
| 03:53.47 | PuffTheMagic | well its too late now to care |
| 03:53.50 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 03:53.55 | dBsooner | I could have gotten it to work, I was just wishing it was easier. ;) |
| 03:53.59 | PuffTheMagic | new beta might be out tomorrow |
| 03:54.02 | Jack87 | lol thanks for settling that PuffTheMagic |
| 03:54.02 | nebula | bleh |
| 03:54.15 | Jack87 | dBsooner, its really easy :) |
| 03:54.22 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: if u "had" usbnet working its like easy as pie |
| 03:54.49 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, he doesnt even need usbnet if he wants to do bluetooth which is what he asked about originally that lead to me talking to you about it |
| 03:54.53 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: You should make freeTether make usbnet work |
| 03:54.53 | dBsooner | ;) |
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| 03:55.06 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: soon enough |
| 03:55.16 | endersama | where might this freetether app be available? |
| 03:55.27 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: So you have to enable usbnet, reboot.. then when your done, disable usbnet, reboot? |
| 03:55.30 | Jack87 | dBsooner, he didnt release that version of freetether you have.. rwhitby accidently put it in the test feed |
| 03:55.38 | PuffTheMagic | endersama: testing feed, and dont bother |
| 03:55.43 | Jack87 | dBsooner, you do not need to disable it |
| 03:55.47 | PuffTheMagic | is 0.0.1/2 |
| 03:56.03 | PuffTheMagic | endersama: wait till my next version is out |
| 03:56.20 | Jack87 | dBsooner, you also need to install driver! the instructions on the wiki are good for xp the others suck |
| 03:56.24 | PuffTheMagic | Jack87: i will probably release a "dumbed down version" with no options for all the AM's |
| 03:56.31 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: ^^ ;) |
| 03:56.36 | Jack87 | use the instructions found on http://mytether.net/ |
| 03:56.41 | endersama | I have mine tethered without any app, but it only works with usb |
| 03:56.52 | dBsooner | LOL.. I don't need no dumbed down version |
| 03:57.10 | endersama | i'd love to help/test if you need it |
| 03:57.18 | Jack87 | endersama, it also works with bluetooth you just dont know it |
| 03:57.24 | PuffTheMagic | there will be a version in preware soon enough |
| 03:57.34 | Jack87 | which means what you have wont be any different then PuffTheMagic app as of yet |
| 03:57.58 | PuffTheMagic | except using my app does not required haking any binaries |
| 03:58.49 | endersama | I didn't hack anything for usb. just plugged in and installed drivers |
| 03:59.08 | PuffTheMagic | how do u keep ip_forwarding enabled? |
| 04:01.47 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, i believe it has to do with an edit to dnsmasq.palm.conf |
| 04:02.16 | Jack87 | acording to this http://discussion.treocentral.com/web-os-development/191082-tethered-pre-without-any-apps-ssh-scripts-5.html |
| 04:02.19 | PuffTheMagic | no that has nothing to do with ip_forwarding |
| 04:03.04 | Jack87 | maybe he manually runs echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 04:04.01 | PuffTheMagic | unless i am missing something, the link u just pointed me to talks about editing the binary |
| 04:04.02 | Jack87 | the author to that app added the iptable rule to the start of dropbear |
| 04:04.26 | PuffTheMagic | big deal about the iptable rule |
| 04:04.37 | PuffTheMagic | i set it with a netlink call :D |
| 04:05.23 | Jack87 | s/app/thread |
| 04:05.32 | Jack87 | how do i make infobot fix my mistake |
| 04:05.49 | PuffTheMagic | u needed 1 more / |
| 04:05.57 | Jack87 | s/app/thread/ |
| 04:06.06 | Jack87 | it hates me |
| 04:06.07 | PuffTheMagic | but it has to be the last thing u said |
| 04:06.15 | Jack87 | oh |
| 04:06.16 | PuffTheMagic | s/u/you/ |
| 04:06.59 | Jack87 | ya it hates me... i just tried no luck |
| 04:07.24 | PuffTheMagic | type s/ya/yaaaa/ |
| 04:07.30 | PuffTheMagic | it will work |
| 04:07.52 | Jack87 | s/ya/yaa/ |
| 04:07.56 | Jack87 | hey there it goes |
| 04:08.47 | Jack87 | dBsooner, where did you disapear to |
| 04:09.27 | Jack87 | s/disapear/disappear/ |
| 04:10.00 | dBsooner | ? |
| 04:10.17 | Jack87 | are you tethering |
| 04:10.22 | dBsooner | not yet |
| 04:10.44 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: if u have usbnet enabled u dont need novaterm |
| 04:10.51 | dBsooner | I know that |
| 04:10.54 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: but u need to set an ip statically |
| 04:11.07 | dBsooner | No I don't.. because I have dnsmasq enabled on usb0 |
| 04:11.16 | dBsooner | and usbnet is enabled |
| 04:11.31 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: u do if you have freeTether running |
| 04:11.33 | dBsooner | my problem was usbnet driver not being downloaded to my laptop |
| 04:11.44 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: just use bt then |
| 04:11.48 | Jack87 | dBsooner, its already on your desktop |
| 04:12.03 | Jack87 | dBsooner, windows 7 has a driver built in |
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| 04:12.17 | dBsooner | negative |
| 04:12.27 | Jack87 | dBsooner, negative to what? |
| 04:12.50 | dBsooner | The drivers for this device are not installed. (Code 28) |
| 04:13.01 | Jack87 | click update! |
| 04:13.03 | dBsooner | RNDIS Ethernet Gadget |
| 04:13.05 | dBsooner | I did! |
| 04:13.13 | Jack87 | ok great now hit browse |
| 04:13.47 | Jack87 | "browse my computer for driver software" |
| 04:14.00 | Jack87 | then choose "let me pick from a list..." |
| 04:14.02 | dBsooner | Dude, please don't talk on that small of a level |
| 04:14.08 | dBsooner | tell me what one to install |
| 04:14.12 | dBsooner | I am like 10 steps ahead of you |
| 04:14.28 | Jack87 | hahaha |
| 04:14.29 | Jack87 | Network Adapters>Microsoft Corp |
| 04:14.33 | Jack87 | not Microsoft |
| 04:14.47 | Jack87 | Remote NDIS based Internet Sharing Device |
| 04:14.52 | dBsooner | Yeah, I know ther eis a difference |
| 04:14.54 | Jack87 | and you should be set |
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| 04:15.40 | Jack87 | dBsooner, glad you know! :) |
| 04:16.01 | Jack87 | install Remote NDIS based Internet Sharing Device and thats it |
| 04:17.11 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, did you catch all that for future refrecne? same applies to windows vista |
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| 04:18.50 | PuffTheMagic | Jack87: i "read it" |
| 04:18.55 | PuffTheMagic | i prob wont remember it |
| 04:18.57 | PuffTheMagic | i dont use window |
| 04:19.00 | PuffTheMagic | windows |
| 04:19.16 | Jack87 | lol dBsooner can do the trouble shooting for windows users |
| 04:19.19 | PuffTheMagic | windows users shoulkd know how to use their machines |
| 04:19.42 | PuffTheMagic | waits for a rwhitby comment |
| 04:21.00 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, how do you like BlueMan |
| 04:21.19 | PuffTheMagic | its nice |
| 04:21.23 | PuffTheMagic | too bad its not qt based |
| 04:21.41 | PuffTheMagic | its sorta wonky though |
| 04:21.46 | PuffTheMagic | some of the shit dont display right |
| 04:21.53 | PuffTheMagic | but the network support worked fine |
| 04:21.54 | Jack87 | ya i noticed that |
| 04:22.12 | Jack87 | it was the only thing i could get working to do a PAN |
| 04:23.18 | PuffTheMagic | thats cause the pan daemons got depricated you can only do pan over dbus now |
| 04:23.26 | PuffTheMagic | and most of the tools clients dont use the dbus interface yet |
| 04:23.31 | PuffTheMagic | same with obex |
| 04:26.27 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, thats beyond my tiny little mind |
| 04:27.21 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, but that doesnt mean its not useful info.. sorry thats how it came out.. when i dont understand stuff like that i research and learn so dont stop :) |
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| 04:42.12 | Jack87 | ghost town |
| 04:42.45 | Jack87 | watches tumbling bush roll on by |
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| 04:47.19 | Rick_work | jack87 |
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| 04:47.44 | Jack87 | hi rick_home |
| 04:48.37 | endersama | from what I'm looking at online it seems that its possible to install debian on webos. I've never used anything like it before, and I was wondering if there is a prewareesque install around? |
| 04:49.36 | zsoc | endersama: 'install' is a funny word. you're taking a prebuilt environment, putting it on your pre as a .img file, and chrooting into it |
| 04:49.48 | zsoc | i suppose someone could write a script to mount and chroot everything instead of following the guide, but it's easy |
| 04:51.49 | endersama | zsoc, thanks for the response. I'm waaay out of my expertise here, but the way I learn everything is by diving in headfirst |
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| 04:52.11 | zsoc | endersama: well if you're not familiar with linux, what do you want with a debian environment? |
| 04:53.03 | endersama | I am trying to use oracle sql developer on the pre, and there is a debian package for it |
| 04:53.08 | Abyssul | My gmail isn't working. Im not getting notifications in Trillian or my Pre, yet hte emails are appearing in my inbox... |
| 04:53.32 | zsoc | endersama: is it already in the optware repos? otherwise you'll have to cross compile it. a standard debian package would be made for x86/64 |
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| 04:54.18 | Rick_work | endersama is the oravle sql developer a command line app, or is it a gui app? |
| 04:54.45 | endersama | gui app |
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| 04:55.05 | Rick_work | endersama you can't do that. |
| 04:55.09 | Rick_work | is it an X app? |
| 04:56.04 | zsoc | Rick_work: now all we need is a wrapper for directfb that implements a surface that mimics X :D :D how's that for thinking big? |
| 04:56.33 | oil | the problem is x apps aren't designed for a mobile phone with a touch screen |
| 04:56.38 | Rick_work | nodnodnod |
| 04:56.51 | Rick_work | nor do they fit in 320x480 |
| 04:57.11 | Rick_work | and scaling x is "hard" |
| 04:57.32 | endersama | rick_work: eh.... http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/sqldeveloper-package |
| 04:58.51 | oil | thinks endersama should get to work |
| 04:58.58 | endersama | I wonder what the learning curve would be to write an app if the debian path isn't possible |
| 04:59.38 | Rick_work | endersama you have a 1 in 10^237 chance of getting this to work on a pre. |
| 05:00.11 | endersama | rick_work: thanks for being honest |
| 05:00.13 | Abyssul | Anyone have an idea why I can't remove my gmail account off my Pre? |
| 05:00.16 | Rick_work | endersama ignore for a moment that the pre's screen is 1/4 the size of the MINIMUM screen res required to run the app. |
| 05:00.43 | Rick_work | ignore for the moment that the app is not touch-screen friendly, and requires "right click" ability. |
| 05:00.58 | Rick_work | ignore for a moment that it is dependent on graphics libraries you can't RUN on a pre |
| 05:01.06 | Rick_work | ignore all that. |
| 05:01.19 | oil | ignores everything |
| 05:02.32 | endersama | ignores all that |
| 05:03.52 | Rick_work | endersama you can't run this on your pre because it incorporates an editor that requires keys that the pre doesn't have. |
| 05:03.57 | Rick_work | no function keys |
| 05:04.08 | oil | lol |
| 05:04.15 | Rick_work | in other words. Give up, it's inappropriate. |
| 05:04.18 | endersama | hehe |
| 05:04.19 | Rick_work | Buy a netbook |
| 05:05.11 | endersama | rick_work: hmm, I wonder if sqlplus (basic command developer) would work :P |
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| 05:06.09 | Rick_work | endersama if your oracle sql server will allow you to ssh into the server, you can run sql*plus in the palm terminal app |
| 05:06.37 | Rick_work | it's a command line app that runs _on the server_ |
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| 05:06.59 | endersama | googles ssh to sqlplus |
| 05:08.15 | Rick_work | that's not the way endersama |
| 05:08.38 | Rick_work | to run sqlplus you execute the "sqlplus" command-line utility from the $ORACLE_HOME/bin directory. |
| 05:08.41 | Rick_work | ON THE SERVER |
| 05:08.47 | Rick_work | so you have to be "on the server" |
| 05:08.58 | Rick_work | so, your server has to be configured to allow SSH login. |
| 05:09.20 | Rick_work | if it is, you're golden. |
| 05:09.23 | Rick_work | if not, you're screwed |
| 05:10.29 | Rick_work | endersama you might look into iSqlplus which was Oracle's web-based manager, much like PhpMyAdmin for oracle databases |
| 05:10.38 | Rick_work | it doesn't ship from 11g on, butyou can retro-fit it. |
| 05:11.19 | endersama | rick_work: thanks for explaining :). I do phone tech support and don't even bother trying to explain things to most students |
| 05:11.52 | Rick_work | Explaining this is what I do |
| 05:11.56 | Rick_work | things |
| 05:12.31 | endersama | my oracle server has a web manager which is online, tho I can't open it with my pre |
| 05:13.20 | Rick_work | you can't open it with your pre why? |
| 05:13.23 | Rick_work | what happens? |
| 05:13.46 | Rick_work | off to be |
| 05:13.47 | Rick_work | bed |
| 05:14.02 | lingfish | Is there ANY frikken point posting to the Pre dev forums when I never get a frikken answer?!?! |
| 05:14.54 | lingfish | Or an ack, or anything?!?! |
| 05:15.51 | oil | posted something to palms forums once |
| 05:15.54 | oil | nobody ever responded |
| 05:17.10 | oil | and i don't even bother posting questions on precentral |
| 05:17.11 | oil | lolol |
| 05:17.15 | endersama | rick_work: the http client sent a request that this server could not understand |
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| 05:22.10 | lingfish | oil: its just annoying... as I've posted two real bugs that at least should be ACK'd |
| 05:22.31 | lingfish | I think this IMAP issue I've found is big. |
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| 06:25.30 | endersama | does the bourne shell require wifi connection? |
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| 07:36.08 | ird_pre | does messaging (besides sms) use wifi or evdo? |
| 07:36.37 | oil | i think it depends on if wifi is on |
| 07:37.17 | ird_pre | now its working |
| 07:37.22 | ird_pre | weird |
| 07:37.37 | oil | personally, i'm not a wifi fan |
| 07:37.48 | ird_pre | maybe my wifi is acting up |
| 07:37.53 | oil | the few times ive used aim over wifi it disconnects whenever the phone goes dark |
| 07:41.00 | oil | i usually only connect up wifi if i'm downloading something large |
| 07:42.05 | ird_pre | I have to use it at my house. |
| 07:42.16 | ird_pre | evdo is garbage here |
| 07:42.24 | oil | yeah, its like that at work |
| 07:42.38 | ird_pre | but everywhere else is great |
| 07:42.41 | oil | but i figure if my phone has shitty internet, im less likely to mess with it all day instead of working |
| 07:42.42 | oil | xD |
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| 07:44.31 | ender | hey rwhitby, oil, and other |
| 07:44.41 | ird_pre | yeah. I have that problem |
| 07:45.14 | oil | i would be annoyed by a lack of evdo at home though |
| 07:45.31 | lingfish | Anyone know how to change the voicemail speeddial? |
| 07:45.36 | lingfish | I think its picking it up from the SIM |
| 07:45.50 | ender | how might I change the code in openssh script |
| 07:46.03 | ird_pre | I get calls and sms fine. I just have to go outside to talk. |
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| 07:47.38 | oil | lol |
| 07:47.41 | oil | that sucks |
| 07:47.51 | oil | lingfish: idk about that |
| 07:48.07 | oil | ender: i don't know anything about openssh |
| 07:48.29 | lingfish | oil: hrm, yeah weird... trying to work out if its pulling it from the network or SIM |
| 07:48.41 | ender | oil: what about just editing a script through terminal |
| 07:48.44 | oil | well, cdma phones don't have sim cards xD |
| 07:48.45 | lingfish | I apparently have one SIM contact says my Pre... but it isn't easy to work out WHICH contact that is |
| 07:48.54 | oil | ender: you can use vi to edit scripts through terminal |
| 07:49.16 | lingfish | So I wonder if its coming from the network, the phone DB, or my SIM. |
| 07:49.30 | lingfish | Voda is odd... they have a full + intl access number, and a shortcode |
| 07:49.42 | lingfish | its trying to use the full, which doesn't just automagically take me into my vmail |
| 07:50.27 | ender | oil: thank you |
| 07:53.33 | ender | oil: hrm it looks like the file is read only right now -_- how would I save and exit from vi |
| 07:53.51 | oil | google for directions |
| 07:54.39 | oil | it knows all about vi |
| 07:58.40 | lingfish | hearts vi |
| 07:58.50 | lingfish | We've had a long and wonderful relationship |
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| 08:04.53 | ird | <3 nano |
| 08:05.33 | rwhitby | often prefers sed -i |
| 08:06.09 | rwhitby | celebrates the wrp400 tftp server actually accepting my customised flash image ... |
| 08:06.46 | Jack87 | rwhitby, i am glad its working out |
| 08:07.27 | Jack87 | ender, you need to mount the partition rewritable first |
| 08:07.33 | Jack87 | then google about vi |
| 08:08.05 | rwhitby | If you guys want to read about the other end of the how-hard-to-get-root spectrum from the Pre, have a read of http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/WRP400/HomePage - I've now had to reflash back to an earlier version of the firmware (a 20 minute wait in itself) just to get to the point where I can test my customised new firmware image ... |
| 08:08.20 | ender | Jack87: yep, got that done, now I'm trying to move the cursor in vi but I'm not able to do it |
| 08:08.48 | lingfish | oil: its in the phone prefs page |
| 08:08.52 | Jack87 | rwhitby, i read that last night :) |
| 08:08.58 | lingfish | and I see it in the code... but it reverts it! |
| 08:09.10 | Jack87 | ender use the arrow keys :) you will figure it out |
| 08:09.39 | Jack87 | anyone think there is a way to physically rotate images on the photo app? |
| 08:10.05 | Jack87 | and if not actually rotating file then atleast manually rotate for viewing purposes |
| 08:10.28 | Jack87 | perhaps we need a patch for that |
| 08:10.37 | ender | Jack87: heh I'm in pre terminal so its gesture number navigation. and it was working in read only |
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| 08:11.12 | Jack87 | ender, shouldnt be any different hold down orange key |
| 08:11.25 | Jack87 | personally oil i think wasd should be navigations with terminal app |
| 08:11.54 | Jack87 | just like gaming :) |
| 08:13.14 | ender | Jack87: I probably hit something like sym or other that got it stuck |
| 08:14.22 | Jack87 | ender, i am going to try and edit a file with terminal and vi..for kicks.. wish me luck |
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| 08:15.14 | Jack87 | ender, i lied to you |
| 08:15.22 | Jack87 | ender, hold down gesture area and use number not orange |
| 08:16.15 | rwhitby | Uncompressing Linux... Out of memory -- System halted |
| 08:16.26 | rwhitby | hmm |
| 08:16.43 | Jack87 | rwhitby, eh oh!! well atleast not bricked |
| 08:16.48 | lingfish | ouch |
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| 08:17.49 | LoneStar34 | any way to capture radio signals using the API? |
| 08:17.55 | ender | Jack87: ok, now in order to save and exit, I'm having trouble |
| 08:18.22 | Jack87 | why is that |
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| 08:18.52 | ird | :wq |
| 08:18.56 | ird | or something.. |
| 08:19.01 | Jack87 | ird, yes |
| 08:19.08 | nonlocal | What are the odds of seeing the squarify patch in Preware? |
| 08:20.22 | ender | ird: when I type that at end of file it just types it it |
| 08:20.25 | Jack87 | ender, orange+space will let you type :wq |
| 08:20.32 | ender | ty |
| 08:22.02 | Jack87 | ender, i just eddited my first file using terminal app and vi... yay fun stuff.. thanks for the learning experince |
| 08:23.25 | ender | Jack87: lol np. its one for me too (tho to be honest I know I learned all this in a college course abit back... but who pays attention when he's teaching matlab |
| 08:24.00 | Jack87 | ;p; |
| 08:24.01 | Jack87 | lol |
| 08:24.37 | Jack87 | has usbpassthrough app vissible |
| 08:25.15 | LoneStar34 | can webos pick up FM signals? |
| 08:25.25 | Jack87 | usbpassthrough app is telling me usbnet is disabled when its actually enaboled |
| 08:25.49 | Jack87 | LoneStar34, webos can not pick up any signals |
| 08:26.01 | ender | can now connect to oracle server using evdo and shell |
| 08:26.21 | LoneStar34 | boo... |
| 08:26.23 | Jack87 | ender, yay! |
| 08:26.40 | Jack87 | ender, why didnt you just ssh in to do the editing rather then using terminal app |
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| 08:27.22 | Jack87 | LoneStar34, the os doesnt have physical ability to pick up signals.. the device needs to have some sort of radio/antena built in for an fm signal. and i do not think it does |
| 08:27.34 | ender | Jack87: :) its partly a lie. I am now not blocked from connecting through openssh. now to see if the rest goes smoothly |
| 08:28.18 | LoneStar34 | Jack87: ok thanks, you are 100% sure? |
| 08:28.31 | Jack87 | PuffTheMagic, have you played with the usb pass through app |
| 08:29.02 | Jack87 | LoneStar34, no i am not 100% sure but pretty damn sure. |
| 08:30.02 | LoneStar34 | Jack87: you know if a server can be setup to pick up FM/ AM signals? |
| 08:32.04 | Jack87 | LoneStar34, i have no idea.. what i do know is that you can setup your computer at home with orb... and if your computer has a tv-tuner with a fm-tuner.. you can access your computer via orb on your phone and stream the audio into the video app of the pre |
| 08:32.16 | Jack87 | now i am not saying this is what you should do.. but its just an idea |
| 08:33.08 | Jack87 | maybe you can make your own server that can broadcast whatever fm station from your computer and have the phone access it through the internet this will allow you to get fm on your phone without actually having an fm tunner |
| 08:33.15 | Jack87 | kind like that police scanner app for the iphone |
| 08:34.32 | LoneStar34 | jack87: so a server without an fm-tuner, can obviously not pick up fm signals... i was thinking maybe there was a software solution that would replace fm-turner hardware |
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| 08:35.16 | Jack87 | ya... thats what i said :) |
| 08:35.29 | Jack87 | but one does not exist currently |
| 08:35.49 | Jack87 | probably wont consider fm signal is limited to cities |
| 08:36.22 | Jack87 | but in theory you can definetly make your own software that can grab and stream the audio from your own server that needs a tuner |
| 08:36.23 | LoneStar34 | Jack87: yeah, exactly |
| 08:37.01 | Jack87 | LoneStar34, as where to start with any of that i have no clue. i cant program worth crap i just hang out here bugging the rest of the fine folk |
| 08:37.02 | LoneStar34 | but the signals would be limited to the city the server is located.... |
| 08:37.12 | Jack87 | LoneStar34, right |
| 08:37.31 | Jack87 | LoneStar34, i would imagine you want to tune into fm stations for your own city? |
| 08:37.48 | LoneStar34 | Jack87: random cities... |
| 08:37.58 | Jack87 | LoneStar34, but be adviesed its easier buying a tiny portable fm radio from the dollar store |
| 08:38.02 | Jack87 | haha |
| 08:38.26 | LoneStar34 | lol |
| 08:38.29 | LoneStar34 | yeap |
| 08:39.34 | Jack87 | LoneStar34, http://tinyurl.com/yjhkxu5 |
| 08:41.13 | Jack87 | haha so its almost not worth the effort at all.. unless you really want your pre to be the one reciving the audio stream |
| 08:42.03 | LoneStar34 | LOL |
| 08:42.05 | LoneStar34 | nice |
| 08:44.37 | Jack87 | i want a bluetooth keyboard for my pre |
| 08:44.45 | Jack87 | i think it would be bad ass |
| 08:45.01 | Jack87 | i would so take class notes on it |
| 08:45.18 | LoneStar34 | yeah, seems to complicated |
| 08:45.36 | LoneStar34 | can't beat a 99 cent chinese made radio |
| 08:45.46 | Jack87 | LoneStar34, exactly! |
| 08:45.57 | Jack87 | but it would be a bad ass app :) |
| 08:46.13 | ird | agreed |
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| 08:46.57 | rwhitby | thanks Linksys for the recovery image in the wrp400 flash, but not for the arcane uboot commands needed to invoke it ... |
| 08:48.02 | Jack87 | rwhitby, are you back in business now |
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| 08:48.27 | LoneStar34 | yeah once fm transmission is supported on the palm devices |
| 08:48.29 | rwhitby | Jack87: back to the 1.00.04c firmware, yes, but no closer to my goal. |
| 08:48.47 | Jack87 | rwhitby, you dont hang out in #openwrt anymore |
| 08:49.08 | rwhitby | Jack87: never did. #openwrt-devel is where the real work happens |
| 08:49.31 | Jack87 | rwhitby, i could of sworn i seen you there before haha |
| 08:50.05 | rwhitby | Jack87: only by mistake ;-) |
| 08:50.19 | rwhitby | Jack87: too many users in #openwrt |
| 08:50.25 | Jack87 | rwhitby, indeed |
| 08:50.49 | Jack87 | jumps into #openwrt-devel |
| 08:51.11 | Jack87 | i want to watch the actoin |
| 08:51.33 | Jack87 | s/actoin/action |
| 08:51.40 | Jack87 | s/actoin/action/ |
| 08:51.47 | Jack87 | infobot hates me |
| 08:51.47 | infobot | yes. |
| 08:52.01 | Jack87 | see told you so |
| 08:53.54 | Jack87 | is going snowboarding tomorrow |
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| 09:07.21 | lingfish | oil: ping |
| 09:08.27 | oil | ? |
| 09:08.49 | lingfish | oil: Can I use doze novacom to get an interactive connect to a real Pre? |
| 09:09.01 | oil | lol |
| 09:09.06 | oil | idk |
| 09:09.15 | lingfish | k... Rod suggested asking you |
| 09:09.33 | oil | i've never connected to my pre in such a way |
| 09:09.45 | lingfish | Well guess what... he got it |
| 09:09.46 | lingfish | <rwhitby> novacom open tty:// or something like that |
| 09:09.48 | lingfish | works :D |
| 09:09.53 | lingfish | that needs a wiki entry |
| 09:10.07 | nonlocal | it has one |
| 09:10.10 | oil | lol |
| 09:10.21 | lingfish | IN ROD WE TRUST |
| 09:10.48 | rwhitby | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novcom_on_Windows |
| 09:10.55 | rwhitby | from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux |
| 09:11.13 | nonlocal | ... told you, lol |
| 09:11.14 | lingfish | damn you, revealing my laziness ;) |
| 09:11.32 | joshua | i was looking for that last week and couldn't find it |
| 09:12.09 | oil | use the wiki google search, not the wiki search |
| 09:12.10 | lingfish | bloody stupid DOS box width, grr |
| 09:12.27 | lingfish | oil: wiki search for > 3 chars is fixed! :P |
| 09:12.30 | nonlocal | ...I need USCL to have more functionality. I yearn for the inclusion of a .appointment or .event |
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| 09:14.20 | lingfish | oil: does QDLogger always goto /var/log/messages? |
| 09:14.51 | lingfish | com.palm.app.phone is meant to be QDLogging but I ain't seeing it |
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| 09:20.15 | joshua | yipes, rmdir -p does recursive removable of directories like mkdir -p creates them. Good thing it wont delete directories that aren't empty |
| 09:20.21 | oil | qdlogger? |
| 09:20.23 | oil | lol |
| 09:20.35 | lingfish | oil: I'm guessing you're not the guy to speak to :P |
| 09:20.39 | oil | im not |
| 09:20.40 | oil | lol |
| 09:21.46 | lingfish | k |
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| 09:31.17 | joshua | on OSX you get a novaterm bash script that starts up a terminal session properly that shows up correctly |
| 09:32.04 | joshua | I guess that doesn't exist in windows |
| 09:32.15 | nonlocal | I might switch back to Linux.. I haven't used any Windows-only software for like 8 months. |
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| 09:33.00 | nonlocal | I'm kinda missing my old Gentoo build. |
| 09:33.08 | joshua | heh the novaterm script is just "exec /opt/nova/bin/novacom $* -t open tty://" |
| 09:33.28 | joshua | that doesn't explain why it screws up on windows |
| 09:33.41 | swisstomcat | good morning |
| 09:35.03 | ird | 1.2gb to go! |
| 09:35.31 | ird | I should really get a new computer... |
| 09:35.45 | ird | 2.3mb/s |
| 09:39.50 | nonlocal | have you tried doing "c:/program files/palm/sdk/bin/novacom etcetc" |
| 09:42.00 | nonlocal | cause on win 7 64 using just "novacom" fails |
| 09:42.14 | nonlocal | even with the path info in environmental variables |
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| 09:45.23 | joshua | i was able to connect, its just when I use vi or top etc the terminal environment is all wrong |
| 09:45.47 | joshua | does vi work fine when you start it like that? |
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| 09:54.20 | Robi_ | jr.com |
| 09:55.50 | joshua | i think my sister bought that one |
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| 12:40.32 | Abyssul | Anyone here been alpha testing Precorder? |
| 12:41.28 | en0x | ya |
| 12:41.43 | Abyssul | en0x: Have you had any luck recording audio only? |
| 12:42.03 | en0x | no i dont need just audio |
| 12:42.11 | Abyssul | Hmm |
| 12:44.17 | oil | why would you want to get just audio? |
| 12:44.17 | oil | lol |
| 12:45.01 | Abyssul | Various reasons |
| 12:45.19 | en0x | audio recording is illegal in us... unless u say that everyone will be recorded |
| 12:45.27 | en0x | before recording |
| 12:45.27 | en0x | :) |
| 12:45.38 | Abyssul | Thats ok |
| 12:45.50 | oil | im pretty sure you would want an audio recording app |
| 12:45.57 | oil | not a video recording app for that |
| 12:45.58 | oil | lol |
| 12:46.14 | Abyssul | Why make a separate app when the video recorder has the functionality for it? |
| 12:47.04 | oil | why dilute the video recording app by making it do just audio? |
| 12:47.08 | oil | and not have a really good video app |
| 12:47.10 | oil | and really good audio app |
| 12:47.14 | oil | instead of one crappy app that does both |
| 12:47.55 | Abyssul | Why does it have to be a crappy app together? All you would do is switch to audio only in the preferences. |
| 12:48.54 | oil | not that i care one way or the other |
| 12:49.03 | oil | it just makes more sense to me to have them seperate |
| 12:49.05 | Abyssul | You never care Oil :p |
| 12:49.37 | en0x | of course separate app |
| 12:50.03 | tmzt | en0x: varies by state so consult appropriate personnel |
| 12:50.28 | en0x | i thought that it is the law in most of the states |
| 12:50.29 | en0x | :P |
| 12:51.02 | tmzt | there is good page from student journalists association on that |
| 12:51.21 | tmzt | related to "one p |
| 12:51.38 | tmzt | "one party" |
| 12:51.43 | en0x | i c |
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| 16:08.40 | xorg | was fceux ipkg (nes emu) taken down from repositories? now showing up anymore |
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| 16:15.50 | a2ny|work | g'morn all |
| 16:20.18 | swisstomcat | morning |
| 16:20.25 | swisstomcat | it's 5:20 pm :) |
| 16:20.51 | a2ny|work | its 8:20AM :D |
| 16:21.51 | gkatsev | ~UGT |
| 16:21.51 | infobot | it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 16:22.46 | a2ny|work | rude =\ |
| 16:23.20 | gkatsev | whats rude? |
| 16:23.36 | swisstomcat | hehe |
| 16:23.38 | a2ny|work | oh nvm I am retarded |
| 16:23.39 | a2ny|work | :D |
| 16:23.45 | a2ny|work | too early |
| 16:23.49 | gkatsev | lol |
| 16:24.06 | gkatsev | yeah, i only got up this morning at 8:20 |
| 16:24.11 | swisstomcat | i'll be back l8er |
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| 16:24.29 | gkatsev | s/8/at/ |
| 16:24.39 | gkatsev | lol |
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| 16:24.47 | a2ny|work | haha |
| 16:25.01 | FreeTim3 | hey don't taunt the 'bot... that thing can be lethal when angered :) |
| 16:25.02 | gkatsev | infobot: i was correcting swisstomcat! |
| 16:25.02 | infobot | You was correcting swisstomcat!? |
| 16:25.18 | gkatsev | ~yes |
| 16:26.14 | a2ny|work | ~do a barrel roll |
| 16:26.15 | infobot | ACTION does a barrel roll. |
| 16:26.32 | gkatsev | ~lart a2ny|work |
| 16:26.32 | infobot | drops a humongous exploding nuke on a2ny|work |
| 16:28.50 | dkirker1 | lol |
| 16:28.50 | a2ny|work | this is irritating |
| 16:29.00 | a2ny|work | anyone else know anything about smartreflex |
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| 16:33.52 | a2ny|work | ~smartreflex |
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| 16:43.06 | bpadalino|work | morning chuq .. did you have a nice thanksgiving ? |
| 16:51.08 | Templarian | thin's chuq has to filter through a thousand emails first hehe. |
| 16:52.42 | bpadalino|work | sounds like a lot of emails |
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| 16:55.06 | gkatsev | chuqui: shoot lots of turkeys? |
| 16:55.55 | chuqui | hey, all. |
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| 16:57.02 | chuqui | didn't shoot any turkeys. Did get some nice photography done out in Merced; ibis, sandhill cranes, snow geese. Still working through the photos, |
| 16:57.16 | chuqui | http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuqui/4143962077/ |
| 16:57.22 | bpadalino|work | what do you shoot on? digital or .. ? |
| 16:57.31 | gkatsev | canon eos 30d |
| 16:57.38 | chuqui | I kinda like this one: |
| 16:57.38 | chuqui | http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuqui/4143907887 |
| 16:57.57 | chuqui | was going out into Galt this weekend, but it looks like the weather may be turning. Have to watch. if I do, it'll likely be sunday |
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| 16:58.30 | bpadalino|work | very nice shots |
| 16:58.31 | gkatsev | chuqui: you use lightroom? how do you like that? |
| 16:58.31 | chuqui | Digital. I use both a 30d and a Rebel Xt; looking forward to buying a 7d next year, I hope |
| 16:58.34 | chuqui | thanks |
| 16:59.05 | gkatsev | i prefer otters. take more pictures of otters. |
| 16:59.06 | gkatsev | lol |
| 16:59.55 | bpadalino|work | haha - do photographers generally take requests? :P |
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| 17:00.27 | chuqui | sometimes. Especially if someone's paying for the image... (grin) |
| 17:00.55 | mobgod | sup all |
| 17:02.00 | a2ny|work | chuqui: noodz ;) |
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| 17:02.52 | gkatsev | nude otters? |
| 17:03.04 | gkatsev | oh, i know. naked mole-rats, right? |
| 17:04.14 | chuqui | naked mold rats: so brutally ugly they're almost cute. kinda like me. |
| 17:04.19 | mobgod | sup gkatsev |
| 17:04.33 | gkatsev | mobgod: not much. you? |
| 17:05.18 | mobgod | same old |
| 17:05.29 | mobgod | relaxing |
| 17:05.33 | mobgod | no work today |
| 17:05.37 | gkatsev | workin |
| 17:06.25 | mobgod | no i mean me |
| 17:06.27 | mobgod | :) |
| 17:06.43 | gkatsev | im working |
| 17:07.04 | mobgod | hey gkatsev do u no if there is a patch to delete all calls from the log? |
| 17:07.18 | mobgod | i wil be working tom until sunday |
| 17:08.01 | a2ny|work | elif defined(CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR) || defined(CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR_BYPASS) |
| 17:08.56 | a2ny|work | what does the || do ? |
| 17:09.06 | en0x | or |
| 17:09.52 | gkatsev | -> lunch |
| 17:10.19 | en0x | gkatsev, me too me too :D |
| 17:13.27 | mobgod | hey maybe u no a2ny|work is there a way to delete all calls from call list missed ect..... |
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| 17:18.52 | a2ny|work | swipe left or right ? |
| 17:19.17 | mobgod | na |
| 17:19.22 | mobgod | to delete all |
| 17:19.47 | a2ny|work | tap top left |
| 17:19.57 | a2ny|work | Clear Call Hist |
| 17:20.15 | a2ny|work | or does that clear all calls ? |
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| 17:20.29 | a2ny|work | all calls |
| 17:23.30 | mobgod | all calls |
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| 17:24.16 | mobgod | so a2ny|work there would have to be a patch made correct ? |
| 17:25.20 | a2ny|work | yup |
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| 17:25.35 | mobgod | ok thanks |
| 17:25.51 | mobgod | bbl lunch |
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| 18:01.29 | a2ny|work | hmm split |
| 18:04.42 | a2ny|work | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_webOS_CPU_Frequency_or_Voltage_Scaling#More_Information |
| 18:08.08 | oilsworkn | "webos kern.info kernel: OMAP3: PM: Sirloin target registered successfully." |
| 18:08.11 | oilsworkn | makes me hungry |
| 18:09.09 | a2ny|work | medium please with A1 sauce :D |
| 18:09.20 | loot- | ^ |
| 18:10.01 | oilsworkn | would never put a1 sauce on a good steak |
| 18:11.30 | loot- | i guess it depends on your definition of good |
| 18:11.35 | loot- | ruth's chris? never |
| 18:11.39 | a2ny|work | would you not marinate steak ? |
| 18:11.40 | loot- | omaha steaks? yes please |
| 18:12.24 | gkatsev | a2ny|work: a good steak only needs salt and pepper. |
| 18:12.50 | gkatsev | loot-: isnt omaha frozen? |
| 18:12.56 | loot- | gkatsev: exactly |
| 18:13.06 | loot- | ruth's chris i'd never use a1 on their steaks |
| 18:13.16 | gkatsev | ah, ok. i see what you mean |
| 18:13.17 | a2ny|work | can you mail order ruth's chris ? |
| 18:13.22 | loot- | omaha's are just slightly better than grocery store steaks |
| 18:13.36 | loot- | a2ny|work: no.. you cant even eat there with a reservation |
| 18:13.43 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 18:14.13 | gkatsev | just go to BJs or Costco and by the $40 whole tenderloin which is like $5/lbs. you then have like 20 tenderloin steaks |
| 18:14.14 | oilsworkn | whats the point of making a reservation if you're not going to be able to eat there |
| 18:14.29 | loot- | err just reread that |
| 18:14.33 | loot- | i meant without |
| 18:15.05 | loot- | theres hundreds of ruth's chris all over the nation though |
| 18:15.59 | a2ny|work | is it a la carte ? |
| 18:16.09 | oilsworkn | "id like to make a reservation for 2 to not eat your food saturday night... thanks." |
| 18:16.21 | gkatsev | also, best way to cook steak: in the oven for 15 mins on 275 then a quick sear on a hot pan for like 2 minutes. gives you a nice crust with the WHOLE inside being red, no grey in there |
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| 18:17.04 | oilsworkn | always cooks his steaks on the grill |
| 18:17.36 | a2ny|work | I am a grill'er too |
| 18:18.06 | bpadalino|work | plenty of good ways to cook a good steak |
| 18:18.08 | gkatsev | and if the cut of meat isnt the best: coat it in salt (so its white on all sides) let it site around 15 minutes for a 1.5 inch steak. then wash it thoroughly add pepper and cook it the way you like. |
| 18:18.54 | gkatsev | oilsworkn: yep, you can finish that way on the grill. the oven is just to raise the steak's internal temp to around 140 degrees so there will be no grey ring between the crust and the delicious center. |
| 18:19.18 | gkatsev | changes channel name to #steak-internals for today |
| 18:19.31 | bpadalino|work | i'll have to try the 15m oven trick sometime .. |
| 18:20.10 | gkatsev | bpadalino|work: if you combine it with the salting, the steak comes out so tender. its amazing. (make sure to wash it well otherwise it might end up being too salty) |
| 18:20.44 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 18:20.58 | bpadalino|work | 15m salting, 15m oven, finish on hot stovetop |
| 18:21.10 | bpadalino|work | let sit for 5m |
| 18:21.14 | gkatsev | yep. preferably in a cast iron skillet |
| 18:21.33 | gkatsev | 275F oven |
| 18:21.48 | gkatsev | bpadalino|work: it will be the best damn steak youve ever eaten |
| 18:21.59 | FreeTim3 | Or just put it on top of your Palm Pre, and enable the GPS function, the battery will heat up nicely and cook the steak |
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| 18:22.16 | oilsworkn | the pre doesn't get that hot |
| 18:22.20 | gkatsev | FreeTim3: haha, yeah, instead of putting it in the oven. lol |
| 18:22.30 | gkatsev | but yeah, mine doesnt heat up too much either |
| 18:22.33 | oilsworkn | not like that video of the guy making scrambled eggs inside his 360 |
| 18:23.07 | FreeTim3 | I was j/k... after the last two patches my battery heat up problem went away, they cured it |
| 18:23.07 | gkatsev | http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/~htsu/humor/fry_egg.html |
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| 19:07.02 | oilsworkn | gkatsev: your egg link killed the channel |
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| 19:07.58 | ird | I think my pre is possessed. |
| 19:08.29 | mikewx | that's what you get for not disabling root over cdma~ :) |
| 19:10.02 | gkatsev | oilsworkn: lol. sorry |
| 19:10.30 | gkatsev | yeah, have you not seen the worm on the iphone |
| 19:11.01 | PuffTheMagic | palm told me where to stick it |
| 19:11.03 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 19:11.24 | oilsworkn | where to stick what? |
| 19:12.32 | ird | er. |
| 19:12.48 | bpadalino|work | sounds very personal .. and intimate |
| 19:12.57 | oilsworkn | and painful |
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| 19:13.52 | PuffTheMagic | i sent them a mail about the wifi driver source not being available |
| 19:14.29 | oilsworkn | haha |
| 19:14.46 | gkatsev | what did they reply? |
| 19:14.59 | PuffTheMagic | today |
| 19:15.02 | PuffTheMagic | oh what |
| 19:16.18 | PuffTheMagic | palm says that they got the driver from marvell under a "commercial license" |
| 19:18.31 | PuffTheMagic | if u saw |
| 19:18.32 | PuffTheMagic | root@palm-webos-device /var/home/root # modinfo sd8xxx |
| 19:18.32 | PuffTheMagic | filename: /lib/modules/2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430/kernel/net/wifi/sd8xxx.ko |
| 19:18.32 | PuffTheMagic | license: GPL |
| 19:18.47 | PuffTheMagic | wouldnt u beleive that the file GPL? |
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| 19:21.23 | gkatsev | lol |
| 19:22.54 | chrisa | Judging by the source tree I'm looking at, that is likely the case. The fact that the module license says GPL is likely an oversight |
| 19:23.14 | chrisa | (going by a quick look in the tree only, I didn't touch that driver) |
| 19:25.29 | oilsworkn | so much for freetether? |
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| 19:26.06 | gkatsev | oilsworkn: well, it should still work over usbnet and bluetooth, no? |
| 19:26.09 | PuffTheMagic | oilsworkn: no, me and ni| will get the open drivers working |
| 19:26.14 | PuffTheMagic | gkatsev: yeah it does |
| 19:26.26 | gkatsev | though, mifi funcionality would be awesome |
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| 19:26.58 | oilsworkn | doesn't mytether do wifi tethering? |
| 19:27.12 | gkatsev | didnt 1.3.1 broke that? |
| 19:27.16 | gkatsev | doesnt know |
| 19:27.24 | gkatsev | s/broke/break/ |
| 19:27.28 | oilsworkn | and by "mytether" i mean "donationtether" |
| 19:27.32 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 19:27.45 | gkatsev | dontether |
| 19:27.48 | PuffTheMagic | its hardly a donation when its required fee |
| 19:27.57 | oilsworkn | right |
| 19:27.59 | oilsworkn | it was a joke |
| 19:28.09 | oilsworkn | its not a dontaion |
| 19:28.10 | oilsworkn | its a purchase |
| 19:28.12 | oilsworkn | with less taxes |
| 19:28.25 | oilsworkn | dont tell the irs |
| 19:28.27 | gkatsev | isnt it like $15 now? |
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| 19:28.51 | oilsworkn | what it is... is completely ridiculous |
| 19:29.10 | gkatsev | it was $10, but i think it was raised to $15 recently. not sure though |
| 19:30.03 | Rick_work | oil, is there a very simple query to check to see if there is cloud? |
| 19:30.26 | a2ny|work | putty sucks. |
| 19:30.40 | gkatsev | ./me looks up? |
| 19:31.08 | gkatsev | a2ny|work: try portable ubuntu. |
| 19:31.24 | oilsworkn | Rick_work: there is the connection manager service |
| 19:31.34 | Rick_work | thanks |
| 19:32.01 | oilsworkn | the docs for it on palms website for it aren't total crap either |
| 19:32.48 | oilsworkn | wow |
| 19:32.52 | oilsworkn | is about to pass out at work |
| 19:32.56 | oilsworkn | thats what i get for not sleeping last night |
| 19:33.48 | oilsworkn | which is what i get for waking up at 5pm on sunday |
| 19:34.04 | gkatsev | lol |
| 19:34.20 | a2ny|work | wait |
| 19:34.28 | a2ny|work | can you turn on ad-hoc by iwconfig ? |
| 19:34.56 | oilsworkn | iwconfig? |
| 19:36.03 | a2ny|work | http://webos.pastebin.com/m32221712 |
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| 19:36.19 | oilsworkn | you know, i would use freetether, if i wasn't afraid of sprint finding out |
| 19:36.42 | a2ny|work | iwconfig eth0 mode ad-hoc |
| 19:36.58 | a2ny|work | set chan/name/wep |
| 19:37.02 | gkatsev | oilsworkn: just start using up a lot of data from your pre, lol. then when you tether they wont be able to tell the difference |
| 19:37.21 | gkatsev | you could even set ff's useragent to match the pre's if you wish |
| 19:37.33 | oilsworkn | i do use a lot of data on my pre |
| 19:38.18 | oilsworkn | i've used just over a gig since the 11th |
| 19:38.48 | oilsworkn | 20% of my "unlimited" plan |
| 19:38.50 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:39.27 | gkatsev | lol |
| 19:40.37 | gkatsev | ive used about 600 megs since the 7th |
| 19:40.50 | gkatsev | this month has been low usage |
| 19:40.55 | oilsworkn | last two months were both over 2gigs (40% of unlimited) |
| 19:41.01 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:41.08 | gkatsev | what do you do? |
| 19:41.14 | gkatsev | i usually dont go over 1 gig. |
| 19:41.16 | oilsworkn | i love pointing out that its a percentage of unlimited |
| 19:41.28 | oilsworkn | because unlimited isn't unlimited |
| 19:41.31 | oilsworkn | but its unlimited |
| 19:41.32 | gkatsev | i think my average is around 850 megs |
| 19:41.39 | oilsworkn | drpodder |
| 19:41.40 | oilsworkn | wirc |
| 19:41.40 | gkatsev | oilsworkn: lol, yeah, stupid marketing |
| 19:41.49 | oilsworkn | i never use wifi cause its garbage |
| 19:42.14 | oilsworkn | and when im testing preware bugs, i must download the feeds a gazillion times |
| 19:42.15 | gkatsev | oilsworkn: but really, unlimited is unlimited since they only really cap you if you go over the "cap" multiple times |
| 19:42.30 | oilsworkn | if there is a cap its not unlimited |
| 19:42.33 | oilsworkn | its limited |
| 19:43.12 | a2ny|work | 5gb right ? |
| 19:43.16 | gkatsev | oilsworkn: i realize. just saying what has been reported by people. you dont get cut off unless you are abusing the "unlimited" limitedness |
| 19:43.17 | oilsworkn | right |
| 19:43.34 | oilsworkn | it should say "5gb plan" not unlimited |
| 19:43.54 | oilsworkn | hell, people might not think thats enough any pay for extra gbs they dont need |
| 19:43.54 | a2ny|work | I am sure if you called sprint and explained the situation they would be helpful, they have always understood me |
| 19:43.55 | oilsworkn | which would be most people |
| 19:45.14 | oilsworkn | but if i tethered i could see myself going over pretty easily |
| 19:46.10 | a2ny|work | download 6 dvds :D |
| 19:46.24 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:46.40 | oilsworkn | lets just say im glad my cable is unlimited |
| 19:46.42 | oilsworkn | as far as i know |
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| 19:47.23 | oilsworkn | regularly download a gig or so a night |
| 19:47.40 | gkatsev | oilsworkn: what ISP? |
| 19:47.49 | oilsworkn | charter |
| 19:48.06 | oilsworkn | they've never given me any troubles |
| 19:48.42 | gkatsev | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.12 | oilsworkn | except once i got a email from them saying someone wanted to sue me |
| 19:50.17 | oilsworkn | but they weren't giving up my ip |
| 19:50.28 | oilsworkn | and it was funny |
| 19:50.30 | gkatsev | lol |
| 19:50.37 | oilsworkn | cause i had a modded xbox1 at the time |
| 19:50.47 | oilsworkn | and was renting games and ripping them to the 250gb i stuck in it |
| 19:50.50 | gkatsev | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.03 | oilsworkn | well the fight club game |
| 19:51.09 | oilsworkn | apparently needed to be patched to run from the hd |
| 19:51.17 | oilsworkn | so i downloaded the 2 meg patch off a torrent site |
| 19:51.22 | oilsworkn | and they thought i was downloading the movie |
| 19:51.28 | gkatsev | lol |
| 19:51.37 | oilsworkn | the description of what they claimed i downloaded even had XBOX/PATCH/etc in the title of it |
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| 19:51.57 | oilsworkn | that game was garbage anyways |
| 19:52.02 | gkatsev | never got a letter |
| 19:52.16 | gkatsev | been torrenting since 2000 |
| 19:52.21 | oilsworkn | i torrent all tv shows i watch |
| 19:52.32 | gkatsev | yeah, thats how i get ~5 gigs a week |
| 19:52.47 | oilsworkn | hell, the digital switch made my tv completely obsolete, but it was obsolete long before that |
| 19:52.50 | gkatsev | since i switched to 720p dls since my comp can actually decode that well now |
| 19:52.58 | oilsworkn | haha |
| 19:52.59 | oilsworkn | yeah |
| 19:53.09 | oilsworkn | i usually don't download the high-def versions |
| 19:53.33 | gkatsev | core i7 nvidia gtx275. it better do it well |
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| 19:53.47 | oilsworkn | has core2quad |
| 19:53.52 | oilsworkn | it does it fine |
| 19:53.59 | oilsworkn | but i just prefer the smaller downloads |
| 19:54.08 | oilsworkn | the quality difference isn't all that much |
| 19:54.26 | gkatsev | i had the core duo and a hd3650. in a laptop, so... |
| 19:54.37 | gkatsev | but yeah, core 2 quad should do it fairly well |
| 19:54.44 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 19:54.49 | oilsworkn | my laptop isn't so hot |
| 19:54.51 | oilsworkn | but it was free |
| 19:54.57 | PuffTheMagic | 10min battery life woo |
| 19:55.00 | gkatsev | mine is 2.5 years old |
| 19:55.06 | oilsworkn | its like mobile p4 |
| 19:55.08 | oilsworkn | 1.8i wanna say |
| 19:55.09 | gkatsev | PuffTheMagic: what? |
| 19:55.29 | PuffTheMagic | core 2 quad lappy |
| 19:55.32 | oilsworkn | and by free i mean, someone at work broke the screen completely off |
| 19:55.36 | oilsworkn | and we were going to pitch it |
| 19:55.38 | oilsworkn | so i took it home |
| 19:55.46 | oilsworkn | and spent $30 on ebay for parts to make it brand new |
| 19:56.24 | PuffTheMagic | i got my pentium d desktop that way |
| 19:56.24 | gkatsev | lol |
| 19:56.31 | oilsworkn | goes to lunch before he passes out at his desk |
| 19:56.34 | oilsworkn | bbl |
| 19:56.36 | PuffTheMagic | school district i was working at was gonna throw it out |
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| 19:58.30 | kesne-school | Hey all |
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| 20:54.23 | Mousey | argh's ampachpre and ampache mobile |
| 20:54.35 | Mousey | kicks keith |
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| 20:57.56 | noaXess_kubuntu | hi all |
| 20:59.12 | noaXess_kubuntu | just a brand new palm pre, is this the right channel for asking about apps? |
| 20:59.49 | gkatsev | noaXess_kubuntu: this and #webos |
| 20:59.57 | noaXess_kubuntu | ok |
| 21:01.32 | noaXess_kubuntu | searched trought preware appbase but can't find quick launch wave app/patch, where to get it? |
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| 21:09.17 | noaXess_kubuntu | where can i find the wave like quick launcher? |
| 21:10.45 | oil | eh? |
| 21:11.03 | oil | drag your finger from the gesture area into the middle of the screen |
| 21:11.26 | oil | its part of the phone... |
| 21:11.29 | oil | its not an app |
| 21:13.45 | noaXess_kubuntu | ok |
| 21:14.15 | noaXess_kubuntu | but only if all apps are closed right? |
| 21:14.57 | noaXess_kubuntu | ok done :) thanks |
| 21:15.07 | oil | no it works over the top of apps |
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| 21:15.27 | noaXess_kubuntu | saw it now |
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| 21:26.10 | noaXess_kubuntu | how can i install accuweather app without access to the palm app catalog? |
| 21:28.24 | gkatsev | you cant. |
| 21:31.21 | noaXess_kubuntu | ok... so wait until i can access app cat |
| 21:31.41 | noaXess_kubuntu | so.. need some sleep |
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| 21:34.13 | latta | hey, has anyone gotten samba to work without losing audio ? |
| 21:34.22 | Mousey | what, really? |
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| 21:36.28 | latta | like the wiki says you lose audio with the upstart scrip for samba |
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| 21:40.26 | latta | cuz I'd like to be able to see a share of the pre on the wlan |
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| 21:52.18 | latta | is this a lame question or something? |
| 21:53.21 | oilsworkn | ask it, and ill tell you |
| 21:54.13 | loot- | latta: if your audio skips stream off the pre's samba try increasing your buffer sizes and tweaking the client and server settings |
| 21:54.28 | loot- | oilsworkn: he said |
| 21:54.29 | loot- | ( 13:36 latta ) like the wiki says you lose audio with the upstart scrip |
| 21:54.32 | loot- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.35 | loot- | ( 13:40 latta ) cuz I'd like to be able to see a share of the pre on the |
| 21:54.38 | loot- | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.10 | oilsworkn | samba on your phone? |
| 21:55.14 | loot- | shrugs |
| 21:55.25 | oilsworkn | sounds like a good way to make your battery not last as long |
| 21:55.25 | loot- | very poorly worded question so im just stabbing the darkness |
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| 21:57.00 | latta | yeah |
| 21:57.27 | oilsworkn | while coolk |
| 21:57.30 | oilsworkn | cool* |
| 21:57.54 | oilsworkn | it doesn't seem very practical... |
| 21:57.56 | oilsworkn | it is a phone |
| 21:58.08 | oilsworkn | maybe thats just me |
| 21:58.51 | latta | so I can see a network share of the pre, and drag and drop files to and from |
| 21:59.36 | oilsworkn | i know what samba is, and what you can do with it, lol |
| 22:00.00 | oilsworkn | i don't know anything about running it on the pre |
| 22:00.07 | oilsworkn | and your loss of sound |
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| 22:01.58 | oilsworkn | didn't mean to make him leave :/ |
| 22:03.10 | ird | slaps oilsworkn around with a large trout |
| 22:03.24 | ird | Oh wait.. |
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| 22:03.30 | ird | What does xchat slap; you around with? :p |
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| 22:04.41 | oilsworkn | doesn't want to know? |
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| 22:06.09 | ird | Help, my IRC client does not have a slap function! |
| 22:06.12 | ird | -.- |
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| 22:07.06 | sryan_wirc | when you close the precorder without pressing stop recording the led light stays on ... is this a known bug? |
| 22:07.51 | oilsworkn | sryan_wirc: probably |
| 22:08.20 | oilsworkn | zsoc would know |
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| 22:18.22 | Abyssul | anything exciting? |
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| 22:20.25 | oilsworkn | everything is exciting |
| 22:20.44 | Abyssul | Whatever you say Oil |
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| 22:23.33 | oilsworkn | everything I say! |
| 22:24.03 | Mousey | gets excited |
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| 22:25.27 | oilsworkn | dumps bucket of cold water on Mousey |
| 22:25.36 | Mousey | aaahhh |
| 22:25.42 | Mousey | first shower in weeks |
| 22:25.43 | Mousey | ^_^ |
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| 22:25.56 | gkatsev | ~do wash Mousey |
| 22:25.57 | infobot | ACTION does wash Mousey. |
| 22:26.06 | Mousey | aah! that tickles |
| 22:26.42 | gkatsev | lol |
| 22:27.27 | oilsworkn | covers eyes |
| 22:27.39 | gkatsev | -> kendo |
| 22:27.40 | gkatsev | bye |
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| 22:40.03 | sslow | OMG! |
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| 22:49.57 | Mousey | what's the WebOS equivalent of nslookup or dig or host command |
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| 22:57.56 | DarkSpecter | Mousey: tried ipkg-opt |
| 22:58.05 | DarkSpecter | ? |
| 22:59.37 | Mousey | no existo |
| 22:59.41 | Mousey | must google |
| 23:00.23 | DarkSpecter | Mousey: or are you looking for a app that does that |
| 23:00.31 | Mousey | CLI tool would be find |
| 23:01.05 | Mousey | dnsutils would be fine ^_^ |
| 23:03.15 | DarkSpecter | optware-bootstrap is your friend ;) |
| 23:03.46 | DarkSpecter | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux |
| 23:03.56 | DarkSpecter | and after that : http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps |
| 23:04.15 | Mousey | now, i installed optware-bootstrap from preware |
| 23:04.18 | Mousey | is this a different one? |
| 23:05.29 | DarkSpecter | never tried it, but i as long as you have ipkg-opt you should have what you need |
| 23:11.37 | Mousey | rt |
| 23:13.00 | rwhitby | Mousey: yeah, optware bootstrap in Preware doesn't set up ipkg-opt - I guess I should add the ipkg-opt package to Preware |
| 23:13.11 | Mousey | would be 10 gladly |
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| 23:13.44 | DarkSpecter | Mousey: just checked, adns is available as opt package |
| 23:13.48 | rwhitby | then people would be able to access all the optware command line stuff using just Preware and Terminal. yeah, that would be cool. |
| 23:14.49 | Mousey | DarkSpecter: interesting, ipkg [-o /var] list |grep dns shows me no adns |
| 23:15.14 | DarkSpecter | Mousey: ipkg != ipkg-opt |
| 23:15.42 | Mousey | yes, if you notice, a) i don't have ipkg-opt and b) i show both ipkg and "ipkg -o /var" |
| 23:15.50 | rwhitby | Mousey: what should the "user friendly" name of the ipkg-opt package in Preware be? |
| 23:16.05 | Mousey | hmm, |
| 23:16.28 | Mousey | Advanced CLI package access |
| 23:16.29 | Mousey | or something |
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| 23:16.52 | DarkSpecter | votes for "essential cool stuff O.o" |
| 23:17.18 | Rick_work | Optware Command Line linux app installer |
| 23:17.33 | Mousey | ipkg-opt is mainly for the OE linux command line stuff right? |
| 23:17.55 | rwhitby | how about "Optware Package Installer" |
| 23:18.16 | Mousey | me votes for OPI |
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| 23:19.05 | rwhitby | azakus: let's discuss here |
| 23:19.17 | Mousey | Optware Package Installer is good.. but does it give the impression that it's another Preware program? people will certainly wonder when they go and install it, and there's no new icon |
| 23:19.41 | rwhitby | ok, needs Linux and Command Line in it then |
| 23:19.58 | azakus | ok, so I'm writing a resource monitor app |
| 23:20.01 | DarkSpecter | rwhitby: maybe add nonGUI |
| 23:20.13 | Mousey | Opware CLI Package Installer |
| 23:20.23 | Mousey | s/Op/Opt/ |
| 23:20.35 | rwhitby | Mousey: the people who are looking for an icon will not know what CLI means |
| 23:20.47 | azakus | I've gotten com.palm.lunastats to spit out statistics like # of DOM nodes, openServiceHandles, pid and name |
| 23:20.55 | Mousey | kinda why i like "advanced" |
| 23:20.57 | azakus | as well as javascript heap numbers |
| 23:21.09 | azakus | now I'm trying to get cpu usage |
| 23:21.13 | Mousey | azakus: what about polling /proc for stats? |
| 23:21.46 | azakus | more of running app stats |
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| 23:21.58 | azakus | would /proc hold that? |
| 23:22.07 | Mousey | oh, well kinda, ya, per PID |
| 23:22.39 | Mousey | so like, /proc/$PID/stat |
| 23:22.47 | azakus | these are javascript app pids |
| 23:22.52 | azakus | not really system translatable |
| 23:22.52 | Mousey | oh |
| 23:23.00 | Mousey | sry, nm ^_^ |
| 23:23.04 | azakus | like com.palm.systemui |
| 23:23.16 | Mousey | man, that'd be cool.. jstop |
| 23:23.18 | azakus | that's a bad pid to kill btw :) |
| 23:23.35 | azakus | yes |
| 23:23.46 | azakus | unfortunately, I can't get per js thread cpu usage |
| 23:23.47 | Mousey | Advanced Linux Commands installer |
| 23:24.01 | azakus | I tried ripping apart the oasis scheduler |
| 23:24.30 | azakus | but I think the scheduler might be all in memory |
| 23:24.39 | Mousey | no? i'm sure there's a way to get thread stats from /proc, too.. |
| 23:24.40 | azakus | and I don't feel like walking the java heap for a sql table |
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| 23:25.00 | Mousey | of course, they have to be discrete threads, and again system level |
| 23:25.00 | azakus | the js threads are green threads inside the LunaSysMgr |
| 23:25.10 | Mousey | yah, was afraid of that |
| 23:25.22 | Mousey | no jmx console eh |
| 23:25.24 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 23:25.33 | azakus | yeah |
| 23:25.44 | Mousey | is useless above system level |
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| 23:25.53 | azakus | I ripped apart the WebOS resource monitor in the sdk and replicated it on the phone |
| 23:25.55 | azakus | basically |
| 23:26.01 | Mousey | can has? |
| 23:26.03 | Mousey | =) |
| 23:26.16 | azakus | I have a full java dump file somewhere |
| 23:26.29 | azakus | all the classes decompiled with javap -c --private |
| 23:26.36 | Mousey | bah. i'm a luser. i need an ipk |
| 23:26.45 | azakus | almost ready for that |
| 23:27.13 | azakus | have a tap-to-kill model set up with a list interface |
| 23:27.21 | Mousey | actually, Advanced Linux Commands Installer installer |
| 23:27.22 | azakus | it's really flaky though |
| 23:27.26 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 23:27.31 | azakus | have to use private dbus signals |
| 23:27.38 | Mousey | aww, no d-feet again! |
| 23:27.38 | azakus | so the app has to be in the com.palm namespace |
| 23:27.45 | FreeTim3 | azakus - me too if poss- ? that'd be useful to have since I want to monitor my gps app when out and about - it's the only way I'd be able to be sure about memory leaks is when I'm really outside with the thing |
| 23:27.57 | Mousey | none of this com.ryanhope. stuff eh |
| 23:28.11 | azakus | I hope to put this in preware or something soon enough actually :) |
| 23:28.30 | Mousey | we hope to download it and shower you with accolades actually! |
| 23:28.44 | azakus | I've given up on per app cpu usage |
| 23:28.45 | azakus | just too hard |
| 23:28.58 | azakus | however, I should be able to do whole system cpu usage |
| 23:29.17 | azakus | cpu Usage = 100 - $(top -b -n 1 | head -n 3 | tail -n 1 | awk 'IFS="," {print $5}' | sed 's/%id,//') |
| 23:29.20 | azakus | :) |
| 23:29.24 | FreeTim3 | well when testing, i'm only using the one app, even e-mail is disabled, so that's fine |
| 23:29.42 | Mousey | start simple, that's what i say |
| 23:30.05 | azakus | yeah, I've been working on this for a few weeks as my final project for class |
| 23:31.36 | azakus | will release with NCSA/UofI license |
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| 23:33.24 | navinag | anyone know where the feed for fceux, direct frame buffer, and simple directmedia layer is? Can't seem to find it on Preware? |
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| 23:40.40 | Abyssul | My Pre is still having problems with gmail... |
| 23:41.44 | bpadalino | that sounds abysmal, Abyssul |
| 23:42.49 | oilsworkn | HA |
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| 23:46.16 | navinag | anyone know where the feed for fceux, direct frame buffer, and simple directmedia layer is? Can't seem to find it on Preware? |
| 23:46.43 | navinag | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.50 | oilsworkn | afaik, that stuff is all gone |
| 23:47.17 | navinag | Someone has to know where to get it? |
| 23:47.38 | navinag | Other than me recompiling it... |
| 23:52.34 | zsoc | sryan is gone? :P i had a smart-ass answer to his question, heh |
| 23:53.04 | rwhitby | oilsworkn: did you and PuffTheMagic ever do anything on the resource monitor app/service idea? azakus is writing one right now which will be up on webos-internals git shortly |
| 23:53.34 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:53.47 | oilsworkn | there is a partially started service and gui |
| 23:53.53 | oilsworkn | i've actually still got them on my phone |
| 23:53.53 | oilsworkn | haha |
| 23:54.38 | oilsworkn | rwhitby: whats that subdomain at preware.org that goes to milliometers directions? |
| 23:55.06 | rwhitby | oilsworkn: http://install.preware.org |
| 23:55.48 | rwhitby | oilsworkn: meet azakus, azakus meet oilsworkn |
| 23:56.02 | azakus | hi oilsworkn |
| 23:56.09 | oilsworkn | hey |
| 23:56.34 | azakus | so like rwhitby said, I've been writing a resource monitor |
| 23:57.00 | oilsworkn | yeah |
| 23:57.20 | oilsworkn | i was doing the gui for puffs service |
| 23:57.20 | azakus | it's basically top for the running javascript threads |
| 23:57.20 | rwhitby | oilsworkn: what package id's did you use for your stuff? |
| 23:57.20 | oilsworkn | there is screenshots somewhere |
| 23:58.27 | oilsworkn | us.ryanhope.ubermonsrv and ws.junk.ubermonitor |
| 23:58.35 | oilsworkn | the code was never put anywhere |
| 23:58.37 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:59.16 | azakus | ah, we're in different modes I think |
| 23:59.27 | azakus | I'm doing javascript app monitoring |
| 23:59.50 | azakus | all infomation from the luna vm that I can grab |