| 00:01.50 | PuffTheMagic | DarkSpecter: ? |
| 00:02.42 | PuffTheMagic | DarkSpecter: why would u run a "always on" service and expose all your files to the public in the first place? |
| 00:08.33 | DarkSpecter | PuffTheMagic: pre to pre wasnt my intiial goal, my goal is over the air bidirectional filetransfer |
| 00:09.59 | PuffTheMagic | well pre to pre, imho, is the harder and more interesting objective |
| 00:10.16 | DarkSpecter | PuffTheMagic: for pre to pre i guess bt filetransfer should be the way to go, but thats another project, or maybe paln will implement it in the future |
| 00:10.18 | PuffTheMagic | pc to pre is 2nd hardest |
| 00:10.22 | PuffTheMagic | then pre to pc |
| 00:10.33 | oil | wants pre2pre multiplayer game action |
| 00:10.33 | PuffTheMagic | DarkSpecter: this should all be 1 project |
| 00:10.53 | PuffTheMagic | DarkSpecter: and it should work over bt or wifi |
| 00:11.03 | PuffTheMagic | or usbnet |
| 00:11.34 | DarkSpecter | should, but as long as pres dont get a sabersense chip pre2pre will be a special case :P |
| 00:11.52 | PuffTheMagic | why is pre2pre special |
| 00:11.57 | PuffTheMagic | besides needing a custom gui |
| 00:12.52 | DarkSpecter | because it is, it would be easy to expose the webserver to gsm/evdo, but that would only give us unidirectional filetransfer |
| 00:13.21 | DarkSpecter | and that only for those that arent portblocked by their provider |
| 00:13.38 | PuffTheMagic | u can run on any port |
| 00:13.43 | PuffTheMagic | no thats not an issue |
| 00:14.05 | PuffTheMagic | ftp is bi directional... and wouldnt require a whole www server |
| 00:14.11 | DarkSpecter | i think so too, especialy as we wont be running on 60 but on 443 |
| 00:14.14 | dBsooner | how do you trace luna events? Like i want to know why when I tap on a certain part of a notification, the notification doesn't clear. |
| 00:14.28 | PuffTheMagic | who said 443? |
| 00:14.37 | DarkSpecter | https = 443 |
| 00:14.46 | PuffTheMagic | u can run https on any port |
| 00:15.22 | DarkSpecter | sure you can, but 443 is default, and thats what your webbrowser connects to when you give hin a https address |
| 00:15.49 | PuffTheMagic | so what? |
| 00:16.00 | PuffTheMagic | why are you getting hung up on ports here |
| 00:17.30 | oil | thinks it should use port 1337 |
| 00:17.35 | DarkSpecter | just try to think that it SHOULD be as easy as possible for joe average, YOU can use any port you want, and any protocol you want, but what matters are sensible defaults for joe average to not have to tinker with config files |
| 00:17.38 | bougyman | what is this conversation about? |
| 00:17.44 | bougyman | rsync works for any of the above methods. |
| 00:17.55 | bougyman | bt, wireless, or usbnet. |
| 00:18.07 | PuffTheMagic | DarkSpecter: port is a option, i dont care about it or what the default is |
| 00:18.16 | PuffTheMagic | no need to get hung up on what port we use |
| 00:18.18 | PuffTheMagic | or u use |
| 00:20.25 | PuffTheMagic | bougyman: rsync isnt that AM/windows friendly |
| 00:20.34 | PuffTheMagic | bougyman: they cant even ssh |
| 00:20.34 | bougyman | it's not? |
| 00:20.39 | bougyman | i use it on windows all the time. |
| 00:20.57 | DarkSpecter | when we end up using a zenit ylike service we could even ask in post-inst what port to use |
| 00:21.00 | bougyman | for totally cluless windows users I set up sftp and show them filezilla |
| 00:21.00 | PuffTheMagic | bougyman: can u use rsync on a few windows box with out any special app? |
| 00:21.11 | PuffTheMagic | DarkSpecter: ewwwww |
| 00:21.20 | PuffTheMagic | DarkSpecter: you are going about this all wrong |
| 00:21.45 | bougyman | PuffTheMagic: what do you consider special? i don't consider rsync a special thing, per se. |
| 00:22.25 | PuffTheMagic | DarkSpecter: why wouldnt we make a service/gui for the pre? |
| 00:22.37 | PuffTheMagic | DarkSpecter: why would u just install a web server with a static setup? |
| 00:24.24 | DarkSpecter | PuffTheMagic: sorry but i dont realy get what your problem is, you like your ftp idea so fine use it then, but what rwhitby and me want is something more secure and still userfriendly |
| 00:24.37 | PuffTheMagic | LOL |
| 00:24.59 | PuffTheMagic | you idea in general is not secure |
| 00:25.13 | PuffTheMagic | what i had in mind... |
| 00:26.15 | PuffTheMagic | is a gui that u open on the pre, select a file or files that you want to share, which exposes them on a vfs over ftp or ftps |
| 00:26.15 | PuffTheMagic | webdav is no more secure than ftp |
| 00:26.54 | PuffTheMagic | and maybe something like avahi to discover devices to share with |
| 00:26.54 | DarkSpecter | dav over https IS more secure than ftp |
| 00:27.18 | PuffTheMagic | dav over https is using SSL/TLS just like ftp would |
| 00:27.21 | PuffTheMagic | how is that more secure? |
| 00:27.43 | PuffTheMagic | how is sharing a whole directory more secure than a vfs of individually selected files? |
| 00:28.16 | DarkSpecter | for simple downloads from the pre dav isnt even needed then, simply use your browser to access the webserver, dav is for being able to send files TO the pre |
| 00:29.14 | PuffTheMagic | DarkSpecter: yeab but you keep ignoring pre to pre |
| 00:29.17 | DarkSpecter | ftp over ssl would require a ftp programm that is capable of that, afaik no browser does that |
| 00:30.40 | DarkSpecter | PuffTheMagic: pre2pre ... would work to, simply point your pre webbrowser to the webserver of the other pre |
| 00:31.18 | PuffTheMagic | how do you pick what files you want to share? |
| 00:31.21 | DarkSpecter | should always work when both are using the same wifi network, wan depends on the provider blocking ports |
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| 00:32.02 | DarkSpecter | PuffTheMagic: how would you pick what to share when you use ftp instead ? |
| 00:32.32 | PuffTheMagic | DarkSpecter: cause what ever protocol is used I was imagining a custom service/gui to handle all that |
| 00:32.36 | PuffTheMagic | and a vfs |
| 00:33.33 | DarkSpecter | PuffTheMagic: then by all means go and implement that in a sane manner, https and dav is something that is available now, your idea might be nice but still is only a brainfart |
| 00:34.04 | PuffTheMagic | your idea of exposing entire folders and sharing them over wan is a brainfart |
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| 00:35.17 | DarkSpecter | but you know that you can define what you want to use as your webroot |
| 00:35.50 | PuffTheMagic | DarkSpecter: id rather use neon in a custom service if webdav is used |
| 00:36.08 | DarkSpecter | what you want is a IM style filetransfer, all nice and dandy, but thats also just a cornercase |
| 00:36.29 | DarkSpecter | sure neon is a great dav client |
| 00:36.58 | PuffTheMagic | can be a server too |
| 00:37.52 | PuffTheMagic | DarkSpecter: i guess I really didnt mean to be arguing the protocol as much as how tranfers are initiated and how files are exposed |
| 00:37.55 | DarkSpecter | why dont we simply agree taht we both have different requirements and need then solved differently |
| 00:38.08 | PuffTheMagic | they dont need to be solved differently |
| 00:38.15 | PuffTheMagic | this all 1 task |
| 00:38.23 | PuffTheMagic | sharing files over TCP |
| 00:38.53 | PuffTheMagic | with zero to minimal extra software on other machines |
| 00:38.59 | PuffTheMagic | of course the pre will need something |
| 00:39.20 | DarkSpecter | i DONT want single file fransfers, what i want is to be able do simply access various files from a random pc, and for that https and/or dav are the better solution |
| 00:39.43 | PuffTheMagic | i NEVER said single |
| 00:40.14 | DarkSpecter | no but you made it sound like that |
| 00:40.26 | PuffTheMagic | i've always file or files |
| 00:41.01 | PuffTheMagic | but let me understand this... you are ok with installing a webserver on a PC to share files but not a ftp server? |
| 00:41.24 | DarkSpecter | there is our problem, you think in terms of a couple of files, i think of having folders accessible at my fingertips |
| 00:41.52 | DarkSpecter | basicaly what my goal is is to use the pre as a wifi enables usb-stick |
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| 00:42.34 | PuffTheMagic | i am not thinking about "files" |
| 00:42.52 | PuffTheMagic | what i am thinking about, its a not having my whole filesystem exposed all the time |
| 00:43.19 | PuffTheMagic | and only allowing specific devices access |
| 00:43.29 | PuffTheMagic | since security is such a big issue |
| 00:43.48 | DarkSpecter | nobody forces you to do that, just set a empty folder as your webroot and put the stuff in ther you want to share |
| 00:44.02 | PuffTheMagic | how can u put shit on there? |
| 00:44.11 | PuffTheMagic | there is no way to move files into that folder from the pre |
| 00:44.22 | PuffTheMagic | unless u use a terminal |
| 00:44.38 | DarkSpecter | well, nothing is perfect out of the box |
| 00:44.41 | PuffTheMagic | and if u can do that u could just transfter the files using ssh |
| 00:45.02 | DarkSpecter | assuming that there is a sshd running on the target |
| 00:45.28 | PuffTheMagic | well u are suggesting that people would want to install a web server just to share files |
| 00:45.44 | DarkSpecter | anyway, i need o get some sleep now, have to go to work in a few hours |
| 00:45.59 | DarkSpecter | ttyl |
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| 01:36.10 | PrototypicLaptop | anyone know how to submit an app to one of the homebrew repositories? |
| 01:38.50 | dBsooner | PrototypicLaptop: you can ask for approval as a developer on precentral.net |
| 01:39.09 | PrototypicLaptop | the forums? or what? |
| 01:39.16 | dBsooner | yes |
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| 01:40.03 | dBsooner | what are you creating? |
| 01:40.15 | dBsooner | webos-internals always likes cool interesting stuff. |
| 01:40.37 | PrototypicLaptop | i just submit a delicious book mark manager and browser addon |
| 01:40.54 | dBsooner | and sometimes rwhitby will assist in getting you setup with a git repo and stuff if he's interested. ;) |
| 01:40.54 | PrototypicLaptop | well I recreated webbrowser using webview so I could modify it as I liked |
| 01:41.21 | dBsooner | which this sounds like something rwhitby might be interested in. |
| 01:41.25 | dBsooner | ~seen rwhitby |
| 01:41.38 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (4d 9h 19m 51s) #oe (4d 9h 19m 51s) #nslu2-linux (4d 9h 19m 51s). Has said a total of 513 messages. Is idling for 1h 46m 17s, last said: 'DarkSpecter: I like your zenity idea - we should run with that.'. |
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| 01:43.00 | PrototypicLaptop | thanks i recognize him from #webos |
| 01:43.04 | PrototypicLaptop | i hit him up |
| 01:43.24 | Abyssul | has there been any work done on Precorder? |
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| 01:48.07 | HattCzech | any word on when 1.3.5 will be out? |
| 01:52.13 | Templarian | HattCzech: CES |
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| 01:53.23 | geist | where'd you hear that? |
| 01:53.25 | HattCzech | that long? so I should walk up to their booth and ask them about it? :) |
| 01:54.57 | PuffTheMagic | xzlkja ``o ggyt/ |
| 01:55.07 | geist | asdf? |
| 01:55.12 | PrototypicLaptop | qwe |
| 01:55.21 | geist | hjkl; |
| 01:56.39 | Mercury | digs around for a quick and easy to setup syncml server, with good debugging. |
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| 01:59.49 | dBsooner | Tibfib lives by rick_home |
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| 02:28.07 | jacques | is there a working 1.3.1 way of keeping the wifi connection active but letting the screen turn off ? |
| 02:29.55 | PuffTheMagic | any of you guys familiar with the file extension .rd ? |
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| 02:32.30 | Abyssul | jacques: only way is if you turn off data connection |
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| 02:42.53 | PuffTheMagic | jacques: yeah there are ways to do that |
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| 02:43.09 | PuffTheMagic | jacques: nodoze in preware can do it |
| 02:47.12 | Mercury | PuffTheMagic: Ebooks? |
| 02:47.21 | PuffTheMagic | Mercury: ? |
| 02:47.29 | Mercury | PuffTheMagic: .rd? |
| 02:47.36 | PuffTheMagic | oh |
| 02:47.39 | PuffTheMagic | no |
| 02:47.44 | PuffTheMagic | its got eeg data in it |
| 02:47.49 | Mercury | Ahh. |
| 02:47.52 | PuffTheMagic | pain text |
| 02:47.58 | PuffTheMagic | i dont think its a real format |
| 02:48.02 | PuffTheMagic | i was thinking matlab at first |
| 02:48.10 | Mercury | One of those funky propertary formats probably. |
| 02:48.25 | Mercury | The medical industry loves them. |
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| 02:52.43 | egaudet | rwhitby, can I get EPR built to test feed from upgrade branch when you get a chance |
| 02:53.14 | jacques | thanks Abyssul and PuffTheMagic |
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| 02:57.11 | tmzt | PuffTheMagic: try some of the plot viewing software |
| 02:57.16 | tmzt | it might be very basic |
| 02:57.57 | PuffTheMagic | tmzt: what is that gonna accomplish? |
| 02:58.32 | PuffTheMagic | i just wanted to know if anyone recognized the file extention so I could tell if it was a standardized format |
| 02:58.36 | PuffTheMagic | but i dont beleive it is |
| 02:58.36 | tmzt | what are you asking? |
| 02:58.38 | tmzt | ah |
| 02:59.10 | tmzt | there's a good list of file extensions out there |
| 02:59.15 | tmzt | also wikipedia has one |
| 02:59.30 | PuffTheMagic | i googled already |
| 02:59.36 | PuffTheMagic | that resulted in nothing |
| 02:59.39 | PuffTheMagic | which is why i asked |
| 02:59.48 | oil | google better? |
| 02:59.52 | tmzt | but a hexeditor should tell you quickly if it's a set of discrete values or something more complicated |
| 02:59.56 | Abyssul | np |
| 03:00.21 | PuffTheMagic | tmzt: i already said its plain text |
| 03:00.27 | PuffTheMagic | tmzt: i dont need a hex editor |
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| 03:00.42 | PuffTheMagic | and by looking at the data i can tell what each colum is |
| 03:00.53 | tmzt | pain text, oops missed that |
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| 03:02.06 | PuffTheMagic | so the questions was is anyone recognsized the exention |
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| 03:10.33 | tmzt | stik: what device are you on? |
| 03:12.02 | Stik | On my droid atm... doctoring my pre.. |
| 03:12.56 | tmzt | ah |
| 03:12.58 | tmzt | ok |
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| 03:13.52 | PuffTheMagic | trys to resist asking why someone has a droid and a pre |
| 03:14.16 | Stik | Pre for work Droid for play |
| 03:14.21 | PrototypicLaptop | I'm going to buy one as well |
| 03:14.41 | PrototypicLaptop | I'm a device whore tho. and I like hardware hacking. |
| 03:15.00 | tmzt | likes omap3 |
| 03:15.11 | PuffTheMagic | the buy a beagle board |
| 03:15.14 | PuffTheMagic | not a cell phone |
| 03:15.42 | Stik | I'd dump the Droid before I dumped my pre though |
| 03:16.03 | jacques | I guess the beagle board is a better deal than the various OMAP3 gumstix |
| 03:16.06 | PrototypicLaptop | really Stik? the reviews I read said droid was way more polished than the pre |
| 03:16.47 | tmzt | do they have hdmi/dvi? |
| 03:16.50 | Abyssul | PrototypicLaptop: it's all based on what you look for in a phone |
| 03:16.59 | PuffTheMagic | android phones are confusing |
| 03:16.59 | PuffTheMagic | the ones i've used |
| 03:17.04 | PuffTheMagic | i didnt know what to do with them |
| 03:17.07 | PuffTheMagic | too busy |
| 03:17.12 | PrototypicLaptop | interesting I hadnt heard of the beagleboard |
| 03:17.13 | jacques | tmzt, I don't think so |
| 03:17.14 | PuffTheMagic | and non-intuitive UI |
| 03:18.01 | PuffTheMagic | PrototypicLaptop: i wrote a touchscreen media player that uses xmms2 that is driven/powerd by a beagle board :D |
| 03:18.07 | jacques | tmzt, but you can get carrier board which take touchscreen LCDs |
| 03:18.13 | PuffTheMagic | PrototypicLaptop: its in my car :D |
| 03:18.20 | PrototypicLaptop | hot |
| 03:18.22 | PuffTheMagic | well it was in my old car |
| 03:18.25 | PuffTheMagic | not in my new one |
| 03:18.32 | PrototypicLaptop | about 10 years ago |
| 03:18.33 | PuffTheMagic | not hacking up the dash for that |
| 03:18.51 | PrototypicLaptop | I installed a tower in my car to beat some guys at #mp3car at getting an mp3pc in their car |
| 03:19.03 | PrototypicLaptop | it was so ghetto but I won the race |
| 03:19.08 | tmzt | arm carpc is cool |
| 03:19.17 | tmzt | beats the power issues with x86 |
| 03:19.24 | Stik | It is more polished but the keyboard sucks and nothing beats the cards in webos |
| 03:19.36 | PuffTheMagic | PrototypicLaptop: before i upgraded to the beagle board it was powered by via epia mini itx box |
| 03:19.49 | PuffTheMagic | Stik: so how is that more polished? |
| 03:19.54 | tmzt | I want droid to run mer |
| 03:20.19 | tmzt | Kevin2 just reported an epia-cn booting to grub in 745ms |
| 03:20.23 | tmzt | milliseconds |
| 03:20.35 | tmzt | but that in your car! |
| 03:20.40 | PuffTheMagic | Stik: can you explain what goes into your view of what "polished" means |
| 03:20.53 | tmzt | (in #coreboot) |
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| 03:25.27 | Stik | Interface runs much smoother than the pre. Pre seems more intuitive but is lacking in areas. Webos is young and has a way to go. You are making me type on this crappy keyboard :P |
| 03:26.12 | PrototypicLaptop | I hate that I have to reboot the pre so often |
| 03:26.17 | PrototypicLaptop | it 's so laggy |
| 03:26.25 | tmzt | webos is no younger than android in it's current form |
| 03:26.58 | PuffTheMagic | so you are saying that a fast and hard to use UI is "more polished" than a easy to use semi fast ui |
| 03:27.00 | PuffTheMagic | ? |
| 03:27.28 | Stik | I don't need to reboot my pre much. I actually get more app crashes on the Droid also. |
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| 03:37.51 | stik_pre | oooh |
| 03:40.38 | stik_pre | much easier to type on this |
| 03:42.29 | stik_pre | lot more done with wirc since I used it last |
| 03:42.38 | oil | wirc is win |
| 03:42.47 | PrototypicLaptop | i agree |
| 03:43.05 | tmzt | easier than droid? droid kbd might be narrow but it's still wider than pre |
| 03:44.10 | stik_pre | yeah but there is no space between the keys. hard to tell one from the other |
| 03:45.41 | jacques | nodoze ftw |
| 03:47.36 | stik_pre | plus on droid side is you can't fry eggs on it after heavy use |
| 03:47.51 | tmzt | I used raph500 for a year you get used to it |
| 03:51.25 | stik_pre | yes nodoze kicks ass |
| 03:52.02 | tmzt | now have touch pro 2 with separate keys though |
| 03:52.07 | PrototypicLaptop | I have to quit caffiene |
| 03:52.20 | PrototypicLaptop | I just had a kidney stone and was in extreme pain for past 3 weeks |
| 03:52.23 | tmzt | half life 6.5 hours learn this yesterday |
| 03:54.13 | stik_pre | verizon is a rape job with its fees I only went 1yr |
| 03:54.37 | stik_pre | kidney stones :( that sucks |
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| 03:57.11 | jamiehs | Hi all, has anyone tried the lower swap threshold patch yet? |
| 03:58.44 | PuffTheMagic | its not gonna make your pre run faster |
| 03:59.34 | oil | what about the gpu enable patchj? |
| 03:59.35 | oil | xD |
| 03:59.39 | jamiehs | I was just wondering what others were experiencing. |
| 03:59.54 | PrototypicLaptop | there's a gpu patch? |
| 04:00.17 | stik_pre | lol |
| 04:00.18 | tmzt | is there a driver as well? |
| 04:00.18 | jamiehs | The consensus in the forum thread is that it did make things faster... |
| 04:00.25 | Abyssul | what webos doctor do you use for a pre thats in spain with qwerty unlocked? |
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| 04:02.47 | stik_pre | like what you all did with the user list |
| 04:02.59 | stik_pre | on wirc that is |
| 04:03.30 | oil | yeah, that guy who wrote it must be pretty awesome |
| 04:03.55 | stik_pre | lol |
| 04:05.42 | stik_pre | musta been puff or egaudet :P |
| 04:05.48 | oil | lol |
| 04:06.40 | stik_pre | gj looking good |
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| 04:09.01 | Abyssul | this person im talking with wants to turn a spain GSM Pre and change the APN settings to make it work with t-mobile. Is that even possible? |
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| 04:28.39 | mijorojordan | how long does it take to get a patch from submission and into Preware? |
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| 05:04.42 | aisoku | ok I'm confused. when you click an email attachment you get a progress bar |
| 05:05.07 | oil | while it downloads? |
| 05:05.26 | aisoku | right. where does it go? |
| 05:05.38 | oil | to the downloads folder on the media partition? |
| 05:06.01 | aisoku | not my attatchments :/ weird. |
| 05:06.18 | aisoku | well at least I know they are _supposed_ to go there. that's a start |
| 05:06.33 | oil | i was only assuming, i don't _know_ |
| 05:06.48 | oil | i think i remember an image attachment i downloaded going in there |
| 05:07.51 | aisoku | weird. |
| 05:07.56 | aisoku | well, thanks. |
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| 05:21.38 | Abyssul | aww we need a timer for the camera |
| 05:23.47 | oil | its not like you can set it up and get in the picture if there was a timer... |
| 05:24.14 | Abyssul | yes i can :) |
| 05:25.56 | oil | some sort of clamp? |
| 05:25.57 | oil | lol |
| 05:25.57 | Abyssul | the work is in the wiki page, i wonder why its not a patch |
| 05:26.41 | Abyssul | haha, last modified Aug 2. That might present a problem. |
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| 06:01.01 | telcelpre | hi all |
| 06:01.12 | telcelpre | can anyone help me? |
| 06:01.23 | oil | possibly |
| 06:01.28 | telcelpre | I am trying to update my new Palm Pre from Telcel from 1.2.5 to 1.3.1 |
| 06:01.36 | telcelpre | is it possible to do that? |
| 06:01.53 | telcelpre | version shipped with Telcel is currently 1.2.5 and there are no links in the Telcel webpage for updating |
| 06:02.51 | telcelpre | I mean, is there any page where I can download the rom image and then install it manually? (pre update function does not show any updates) |
| 06:03.57 | oil | i dont know if that works or not |
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| 06:04.20 | oil | i mean, there is a page were you can find the roms |
| 06:04.43 | oil | but, i dont know if 131 works on your pre |
| 06:05.43 | telcelpre | ok... the WebOSDoctor page shows 1.2.5 for Telcel only |
| 06:05.48 | telcelpre | and 1.3.1 for Sprint |
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| 08:11.36 | morphis | geist: as you are responsible for kernel and low level development at Palm, are you also involved in modem stuff? |
| 08:20.37 | tmzt | there's some documentation done on the protocol |
| 08:20.47 | tmzt | at freesmartphone.org |
| 08:20.58 | morphis | tmzt: I have done this research :) |
| 08:21.49 | tmzt | ah nice to meet you? |
| 08:21.53 | tmzt | ah nice to meet you |
| 08:21.55 | morphis | :) |
| 08:22.01 | tmzt | what have you found then |
| 08:22.10 | morphis | some more |
| 08:22.27 | morphis | will publish the results on the webos-internals wiki page |
| 08:22.30 | tmzt | very gobe like? qmi qmux etc. |
| 08:22.46 | morphis | qmi, qmu? |
| 08:22.50 | morphis | s/qmu/qmux/ |
| 08:23.18 | tmzt | have you seen the gobe source at codeaurora.org? |
| 08:23.22 | morphis | no |
| 08:23.33 | morphis | whats gobe? |
| 08:23.49 | tmzt | gobi sorry |
| 08:24.09 | tmzt | the name for some qualcomm modem cards for laptops |
| 08:24.16 | morphis | ah ok |
| 08:24.22 | tmzt | also a binary protocol used to interface those to usb |
| 08:24.40 | morphis | and that looks very similar to what Palm uses? |
| 08:25.17 | tmzt | haven't seen your latest |
| 08:26.22 | tmzt | I don't know, trying to understand the relationship of the various protocols |
| 08:27.09 | rwhitby | egaudet: just EPR or the whole autopatch feed for testing? |
| 08:27.42 | morphis | tmzt: as what I found it the protocol they are using is very similar to some stuff in HDLC framing and HCI (Bluetooth) |
| 08:28.21 | tmzt | sure |
| 08:28.53 | morphis | hm, I took a short look at codeaurora.org but don't found anything related to the Palm stuff |
| 08:28.58 | tmzt | but qmux qdm/diag and qmi are also |
| 08:29.17 | tmzt | similar to hdlc I mean |
| 08:29.20 | morphis | hm |
| 08:29.27 | morphis | do you have some links for me? |
| 08:29.27 | tmzt | at the gobi driver? |
| 08:29.39 | morphis | I only found the usb/serial driver |
| 08:29.45 | morphis | but nothing about a real protocol in it |
| 08:30.01 | morphis | https://www.codeaurora.org/wiki/GOBI_Releases ? |
| 08:31.34 | tmzt | https://www.codeaurora.org/patches/quic/gobi/ |
| 08:31.36 | tmzt | hmm |
| 08:31.40 | morphis | ah ok |
| 08:31.44 | morphis | wait |
| 08:31.52 | morphis | I looked in the wrong directory :) |
| 08:33.19 | morphis | but I don't find anything HDLC related |
| 08:34.47 | tmzt | what do you find? |
| 08:35.02 | morphis | QCSerial2k and QCUSBNet2k |
| 08:35.27 | tmzt | ok |
| 08:35.32 | tmzt | and over that? |
| 08:35.43 | tmzt | what brings up the connection, etc. |
| 08:35.54 | morphis | it's usb configuration stuff |
| 08:43.57 | morphis | tmzt: do found something else? |
| 08:54.01 | rwhitby | egaudet: updated |
| 08:58.52 | tmzt | no sorry |
| 08:59.51 | morphis | hm |
| 09:00.06 | geist | morphis: dont deal with the modem |
| 09:00.28 | morphis | geist: hm ok, but do know anything about the protocol which webOS uses for communication with the modem? |
| 09:00.38 | morphis | s/but do/but do you/ |
| 09:01.26 | geist | on which device? |
| 09:01.31 | morphis | Pre |
| 09:01.34 | geist | no |
| 09:01.37 | morphis | hm |
| 09:01.55 | morphis | do you know somebody who might know something about it? |
| 09:01.57 | geist | control stuff over serial, bulk of the data over usb |
| 09:02.02 | geist | no. it's proprietary |
| 09:02.07 | morphis | hm ok |
| 09:02.12 | geist | blame qualcomm |
| 09:02.23 | morphis | developed by Palm or Qualcomm? |
| 09:02.24 | geist | they're all kinds of proprietary |
| 09:02.26 | geist | QC |
| 09:02.30 | morphis | damn it |
| 09:02.42 | geist | though i suspect we tweaked it quite a bit. i believe we have a source license and the modem team hacks on it some |
| 09:02.53 | morphis | ah ok |
| 09:02.53 | geist | the stuff that runs on the modem, that is |
| 09:03.23 | geist | same applies to pixi, but it's a different modem chip, and it uses a shared memory protocol to speak to the other core |
| 09:03.30 | geist | they're sharing the same memory bank, the two cpus |
| 09:03.34 | morphis | ah ok |
| 09:03.47 | morphis | so we have to working on reverse engineering the protocol ... |
| 09:04.22 | morphis | but it's good to hear, that the protocol is developed by QC, so it might be used in some other devices with a QC modem |
| 09:04.40 | morphis | geist: is there anybody from the modem team on the irc channel? |
| 09:06.09 | geist | not that i know of |
| 09:06.12 | morphis | ok |
| 09:06.25 | geist | and anyway, the protocol between the modem and webos is probably the most protected thing we have |
| 09:07.09 | geist | not that it's magic or anything, just, you know |
| 09:07.17 | morphis | yeah I know |
| 09:07.22 | morphis | it seems to be very simple |
| 09:07.30 | morphis | but has a lot of configuration parameters :) |
| 09:07.51 | morphis | an that causes a lot of work for us |
| 09:08.04 | geist | yep, and it's likely to change at any time |
| 09:08.16 | geist | QC loves autogenerating shared protocols |
| 09:08.35 | geist | so that enumerations can change between releases, etc |
| 09:08.40 | geist | it's a nightmare to maintain |
| 09:08.42 | morphis | but it's the question if you change the protocol on the Palm Pre from one to next day |
| 09:08.52 | morphis | really? |
| 09:08.53 | geist | i suspect it might |
| 09:09.04 | morphis | so from 1.3 to 1.4 of webOS? |
| 09:09.10 | geist | who knows |
| 09:09.28 | geist | but if the modem team switches to a new release of the modem from QC, it's entirely likely everything will chance |
| 09:09.36 | geist | because a lot of the protocol is autogenerated, i believe |
| 09:09.52 | geist | so as long as both sides of code move simultaneously, it doesn't matter |
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| 09:10.27 | geist | the modem team is responsible for firmware buidls on the modem and the TIL on webos |
| 09:10.47 | geist | so the protocol between the TIL and the modem is not considered to be something that has to be fixed in stone |
| 09:10.59 | geist | as long as the TIL exports the same interface, essentially webos is not supposed to care how the modem works |
| 09:11.31 | morphis | webOS doen't care, but we, the people who want to bring other software as webOS to the Palm Pre |
| 09:11.50 | geist | of course |
| 09:11.54 | geist | but i can't help you there |
| 09:12.05 | geist | just trying to tell you how it is, not how it should be or how to change it |
| 09:12.28 | morphis | yeah I know |
| 09:12.45 | geist | and i'm *definitely* not helping you figure out the protocol |
| 09:12.46 | morphis | but it's a good information that the protocol payload can change from release to release |
| 09:12.57 | geist | cause that sort of stuff is usually very sensitive |
| 09:13.05 | morphis | geist: no, that isn't the thing I want you to do :) |
| 09:13.20 | morphis | just some help to get some information bit together |
| 09:13.26 | morphis | s/bit/bits/ |
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| 09:16.55 | morphis | geist: thank you for this informations :) |
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| 09:58.46 | rwhitby | morphis: I wonder if you guys can hook in at the TIL layer, but I guess that then becomes another problem because you cannot redistribute the TIL binary from Palm. |
| 09:59.05 | morphis | rwhitby: jepp |
| 09:59.20 | morphis | and thats all a bit hackisch |
| 09:59.25 | morphis | no clean solution |
| 09:59.54 | morphis | and we want to push our own solution, the freesmartphone framework |
| 10:00.01 | morphis | not some solution from palm |
| 10:02.20 | rwhitby | morphis: understood. |
| 10:02.38 | morphis | rwhitby: but maybe we get it working |
| 10:02.53 | rwhitby | goes back to cross compiling the lunaservice dummy link library for the autobuilder so we can have zenity on the Pre |
| 10:02.56 | morphis | I made some more research last week and discover a little bit more from the frame structure |
| 10:06.16 | rwhitby | I'm thinking of patching openssh to keep the Pre awake (but screen off) when there is an active ssh connection. |
| 10:07.29 | rwhitby | morphis: it must be fun, but sometimes frustrating, reverse engineering the binary protocol ... |
| 10:08.53 | morphis | rwhitby: you say it .. |
| 10:09.27 | morphis | and I am currently the only one who is working active on this |
| 10:09.27 | geist | i'm a bit bummed that folks stopped trying to reverse novacom |
| 10:09.27 | geist | i was totally enjoying the hell out of that |
| 10:09.29 | morphis | :) |
| 10:09.51 | geist | otoh i dont work on novacom anymore. handed all of that off to another team |
| 10:10.01 | geist | and it's really hard to give it up without just totally being hands off |
| 10:12.24 | rwhitby | geist: you just made it too easy to use the novacom drivers as they are ... |
| 10:12.52 | geist | aside from all the bumps with various versions of windows and whatnot |
| 10:13.52 | rwhitby | geist: right now I'm looking at doing a port of zenity to webOS, so that postinst scripts can ask the user questions. |
| 10:14.54 | rwhitby | the linux part would pass the zenity arguments up to a webos app through the launch commands, and have a dbus service where the app can return the result, with a hash to make sure that another rogue webos app has not intercepted |
| 10:15.45 | rwhitby | (much like we do the postinst execute confirmation in ipkgservice) |
| 10:22.34 | morphis | geist: another question, this time about kernel stuff :) |
| 10:22.47 | morphis | webOS distributes the sd8xxx and bridgedriver modules |
| 10:23.02 | morphis | they are both with MODULE_LICENSE gpl builded |
| 10:23.25 | geist | ohyeah? |
| 10:23.37 | morphis | but Palm Opensource Support told me that they cannot publish the sources as they are licenced by Palm from Marvell and are not GPL |
| 10:23.54 | geist | i'll ask |
| 10:24.17 | morphis | great |
| 10:24.28 | geist | we (the kernel team) don't write those two drivers |
| 10:24.34 | morphis | ok |
| 10:24.35 | geist | that's precisely why they're modules in the first place |
| 10:25.12 | morphis | but if there are under a certain licence and not GPL they should report GPL as used licence |
| 10:25.36 | geist | I'll have to check into i |
| 10:25.57 | geist | trouble is of course if you write a module and declare you're not GPL you can't use half the kernel api |
| 10:26.23 | morphis | yeah, but then you have to report another licence and not GPL |
| 10:26.36 | geist | probably |
| 10:27.12 | morphis | I already talked with some people which a familiar with that stuff and they told me that I am right |
| 10:27.29 | geist | course i dont know what then just keeps us from changing the apis that are exported to be non gpl |
| 10:27.34 | geist | since we post the source to that |
| 10:27.41 | morphis | to what? |
| 10:27.53 | geist | stuff exported EXPORT_GPL |
| 10:28.03 | morphis | ah |
| 10:28.22 | morphis | but the two modules uses EXPORT_GPL stuff |
| 10:28.32 | morphis | so no way around the GPL |
| 10:29.06 | geist | right, but against the kernel we build |
| 10:29.06 | geist | and are free to modify |
| 10:29.06 | geist | including changing what is exported to be not EXPORT_GPL |
| 10:29.06 | geist | or at least that's how i read it |
| 10:29.07 | morphis | jep, when you modified the two modules to use no EXPORT_GPL stuff you are fine |
| 10:29.17 | morphis | what as I though it isn't so |
| 10:29.18 | geist | yeah, but that may be impossible and still work |
| 10:29.29 | geist | but really, i'll ask |
| 10:29.37 | geist | i have no idea what is in either of those two drivers |
| 10:29.49 | geist | well, the bridgedriver i do, it's code from TI |
| 10:30.00 | geist | and it's been gpled |
| 10:30.03 | morphis | ah ok |
| 10:30.11 | geist | however, i suspect we got it from TI under another license |
| 10:30.12 | morphis | and you didn't modificate it? |
| 10:30.32 | geist | oh we modified the hell out of it, since the original driver was an unusable unstable mess |
| 10:31.27 | geist | why we dont dump the source i dont know |
| 10:31.33 | morphis | hm ok |
| 10:31.41 | geist | i know us on the kernel team are trying to be transparent |
| 10:31.49 | geist | but not all of the teams share the same sentiment, i believe |
| 10:31.54 | morphis | :) |
| 10:32.06 | morphis | cause you are close to the linux origin :) |
| 10:32.18 | geist | well, we *have* to be transparent anyway, which is a nice forcing function |
| 10:32.38 | geist | but you know, could be a total pita when you modify the kernel and still be technically compliant |
| 10:32.55 | geist | like obfuscate all the code, remove licenses, etc |
| 10:32.59 | morphis | :) |
| 10:33.05 | geist | but you'd get serious crap from the community |
| 10:33.12 | geist | and we have no interest at all in any of that |
| 10:33.22 | geist | there's no secret sauce to linux kernel and platform support |
| 10:34.05 | geist | it also pays off, it's kind of freeing to have your code eventually have to be open sourced |
| 10:34.50 | geist | keeps away the temptation to take your stuff and make a little walled box of proprietary |
| 10:35.13 | geist | and when dealing with other teams that are less open source friendly you have the ultimate bargaining chip: you have no choice |
| 10:35.44 | morphis | so bad? |
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| 10:35.54 | geist | no, good |
| 10:36.18 | geist | as in, we have to do it this way because we have to so you can't force us to do something we dont want |
| 10:36.30 | geist | like add a bunch of proprietary crap to the kernel, etc |
| 10:36.43 | morphis | yeah ok, but the other teams I meant |
| 10:36.53 | geist | beats m |
| 10:37.02 | geist | me, I've gone pretty much totally into the hypothetical at this point |
| 10:37.13 | geist | i'm not saying theres any particular problem or anything |
| 10:37.28 | morphis | ok |
| 10:37.28 | geist | i'm just saying that negotiations as to how to do things are much simpler when you deal with kernel + gpl |
| 10:37.40 | geist | there's only one way to do it so no point wasting time discussing it |
| 10:38.19 | morphis | thats the other way, when you write software for linux for the userland |
| 10:38.47 | geist | yep |
| 10:38.49 | geist | anyway, sleep |
| 10:38.52 | geist | it's nearly 3am |
| 10:39.18 | morphis | yeah, here it 11am :) |
| 10:39.26 | morphis | so good night |
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| 13:07.10 | nebula | woohoo! |
| 13:07.17 | nebula | no problem! |
| 13:07.29 | en0x | kamasutra? |
| 13:07.31 | en0x | :> |
| 13:07.32 | rwhitby | I think my first webOS app might be a port of zenity |
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| 14:50.39 | noaXess_kubuntu | hi all |
| 14:51.03 | noaXess_kubuntu | i'm searching a rss feed app.. any idea? |
| 14:55.23 | mobgod | Feeds |
| 14:56.51 | noaXess_kubuntu | in preware? |
| 14:58.11 | noaXess_kubuntu | can't find it |
| 14:58.51 | mobgod | app |
| 14:59.03 | mobgod | not in preware |
| 15:00.04 | noaXess_kubuntu | ok.. then bad news.. in appcatalog I have not mutch apps, cause ivanst i'm in switzerland |
| 15:00.23 | mobgod | that stinks |
| 15:00.41 | noaXess_kubuntu | jep |
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| 15:02.54 | dBsooner | who is the man/woman behind ez-ipupdate? |
| 15:04.00 | mobgod | dBsooneru got a couple mins |
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| 15:05.11 | noaXess_kubuntu | is there a way to get the fileurl of Feeds so I can manually install it ;) |
| 15:05.35 | mobgod | noaXess_kubuntu its a paied app |
| 15:06.03 | noaXess_kubuntu | shi...... is there no free rss reader? |
| 15:06.20 | mobgod | i believe they r all paied now |
| 15:06.25 | mobgod | feeds was free |
| 15:07.45 | noaXess_kubuntu | grrrr need to make one for free and post it for preware |
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| 16:08.18 | dBsooner | rwhitby: Ping me when you come around. I am trying to make sense of what you did in gitorious/modifications and the build script for autopatch. I show you making a lot of changes in mods, but only adding/changing 2 Makefiles in autopatch. A lot of what you added, I had already done. But I am confused on why there are so many changes... Blah.. just ping me. :D |
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| 16:15.26 | dsevil | dBsooner: why isn't Hide App Vendors on preware yet? |
| 16:16.47 | dBsooner | because I had more important things to do this weekend? |
| 16:17.13 | dBsooner | Like spend time with my family because my daughters had their very first sleepover? |
| 16:17.18 | dsevil | fair enough. |
| 16:17.22 | dBsooner | :) |
| 16:17.40 | Devo1 | hi everyone |
| 16:23.20 | ka6sox | dBsooner is now known as dBlater :) |
| 16:23.31 | dBsooner | lol |
| 16:23.42 | dBsooner | dBhater |
| 16:23.55 | ka6sox | morning...I just couldn't resist |
| 16:24.20 | dBsooner | morning.. it's ok, most can't. |
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| 16:33.31 | sampson | hey PuffTheMagic you around |
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| 16:38.42 | PuffTheMagic | ummmmmmm |
| 16:38.46 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
| 16:40.21 | PrototypicLaptop | do jquery magic work with webos? |
| 16:40.29 | PrototypicLaptop | like $('.palm-group.title').html("My text is changed!"); |
| 16:41.38 | dsevil | PrototypicLaptop: webOS includes prototype.js |
| 16:42.05 | dsevil | you can bundle jQuery with a webOS app if you desire, and use its noConflict mode. |
| 16:42.51 | PrototypicLaptop | interesting |
| 16:43.04 | PrototypicLaptop | i dont like prototype as much as jquery ill have to try that out |
| 16:43.06 | dsevil | prototype.js has a $ method already... not completely compatible with jQuery's. |
| 16:43.38 | PrototypicLaptop | yea iv used both togather before, I have a plugin that loads jquery into youtube for me |
| 16:43.53 | dsevil | Yeah, I'm much more well-acquainted with jQuery than with prototype, but you probably ought to know both. |
| 16:44.00 | PrototypicLaptop | I then use the jquery to do some annotation work for me |
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| 16:48.03 | Devo1 | quick question, I am trying to set up my phone so I can use ftp to transfer music directly to the media partition, but I can't seem to get access to it |
| 16:48.14 | Devo1 | ive set up the openssh sftp server |
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| 16:55.11 | egaudet_work | EPR let me down :( my phone is temporarily in paperweight mode |
| 16:55.50 | en0x | wtf is a paperweight mode |
| 16:56.11 | egaudet_work | lol |
| 16:56.15 | egaudet_work | think about it |
| 16:56.39 | egaudet_work | i can't do anything else with it |
| 16:58.21 | en0x | i had to picture it in my head |
| 16:58.22 | en0x | :P |
| 16:58.38 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 16:58.59 | PuffTheMagic | EPR failed for its creator? wow |
| 16:59.06 | PuffTheMagic | my resistance to it is justified |
| 16:59.16 | en0x | ;D |
| 16:59.16 | egaudet_work | Well this is the major upgrade testing |
| 16:59.25 | egaudet_work | It's not the publicly released one that works |
| 16:59.33 | PuffTheMagic | excuses, excuses |
| 16:59.35 | PuffTheMagic | ;) |
| 16:59.35 | egaudet_work | This was my first test of EPR 2.0.0 with aupt |
| 16:59.37 | egaudet_work | :P |
| 16:59.51 | en0x | hehe u rock |
| 16:59.51 | en0x | ;) |
| 17:00.36 | egaudet_work | And now my screen has the device menu stuck open but nothing is functional and I can't do anything. So I got no phone until I can get home and fix it tonight :( |
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| 17:07.03 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: u cant hard reboot? |
| 17:07.08 | PuffTheMagic | power+wiggle? |
| 17:07.28 | egaudet_work | doesn't matter, still the same when it boots back up |
| 17:08.07 | egaudet_work | oh snap I just got rid of it |
| 17:08.13 | en0x | they should have some kind of recovery mode |
| 17:08.15 | egaudet_work | with a gesture. |
| 17:08.19 | egaudet_work | but now i have 0 apps in my launcher :P |
| 17:08.22 | en0x | while you booting up ur pre |
| 17:08.32 | bpadalino|work | ah, yeah - the 'fix whatever is going on' gesture .. i like that one |
| 17:08.42 | egaudet_work | it's the software that is screwed up, I can recover once I get home with novacom |
| 17:09.27 | egaudet_work | nice i open preware and get "fatal ipkg configuration failure undefined" |
| 17:10.04 | egaudet_work | well atleast I can use my 4 quick launch apps |
| 17:10.41 | Devo1 | is it possible to connect as root using ssh/sftp? |
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| 17:12.12 | hawiwo | Devo1: ssh as <youruser> and then sudo su |
| 17:12.28 | Devo1 | thanks |
| 17:12.51 | Devo1 | trying to find a way to transfer files to the media partition without plugging in the pre |
| 17:13.16 | Devo1 | any one know why it wont let me just softlink from the home directory to the media partition? |
| 17:13.23 | mcd | anybody know of a way to get MSN messanger to work on the pre? |
| 17:14.14 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: yeah ssh in over evdo |
| 17:14.19 | PuffTheMagic | or do u have that disabled? |
| 17:14.45 | egaudet_work | disabled |
| 17:14.50 | dBsooner | ssh over evdo ftw! |
| 17:15.22 | egaudet_work | I get such crappy evdo at work it wouldn't matter, last time I tried ssh over evdo at work it took like 30 seconds to respond to my keystrokes |
| 17:17.23 | PuffTheMagic | no wifi at work? |
| 17:18.11 | gkatsev | create adhoc network from computer? |
| 17:20.05 | egaudet_work | nope no wifi at work |
| 17:21.01 | gkatsev | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_a7jkcMVp5Vg/Sy2FE8HNo7I/AAAAAAAAKoE/PzYuCcTAeX0/s400/mellons.jpg |
| 17:21.04 | gkatsev | oops |
| 17:23.59 | Devo1 | does anyone know how to transfer files to the media partition over wifi? |
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| 17:26.20 | gkatsev | scp |
| 17:26.49 | Devo1 | do i have to login as root to get permission to access the media partition? |
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| 17:30.10 | gkatsev | nope. |
| 17:30.27 | Devo1 | so what is different in scp as opposed to sftp? |
| 17:30.56 | gkatsev | nothing really. depends on if you have an sftp client/server on the device |
| 17:31.03 | gkatsev | Devo1: running openssh or dropbear? |
| 17:31.10 | Devo1 | both now |
| 17:31.17 | Devo1 | had dropbear and just setup openssh |
| 17:31.22 | gkatsev | ok, then you could probably use sftp |
| 17:31.37 | Devo1 | gives me permission errors if i try to upload to the media partition |
| 17:31.39 | gkatsev | but scp should definitely work because that is over ssh |
| 17:31.46 | Devo1 | only can access the home directory |
| 17:31.55 | gkatsev | Devo1: to /media/internal/ ? |
| 17:32.11 | Devo1 | ... wait, i think i know why im having an issue |
| 17:32.21 | Devo1 | i used sudo to create a music directory |
| 17:32.28 | gkatsev | ah |
| 17:32.30 | Devo1 | and since it was created by sudo normal users probably can access it |
| 17:32.55 | gkatsev | yeah, unless you change the permissions on that folder |
| 17:33.12 | Devo1 | i tried giving it a+w, but it didnt seem to affect anything |
| 17:33.37 | Devo1 | damn, permission denied if i try to create a folder |
| 17:33.51 | Devo1 | im just logged in as a user though, not as root |
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| 17:34.51 | gkatsev | sudo chmod -r 755 music |
| 17:35.30 | egaudet_work | the media partition is fat |
| 17:35.57 | gkatsev | how dare you call my media partition fat! |
| 17:36.16 | Devo1 | its winter, it needs the fat to stay warm |
| 17:36.39 | gkatsev | get the 3600mAh battery and it will get obese |
| 17:37.09 | egaudet_work | lol |
| 17:37.20 | Devo1 | yea, still getting permission errors |
| 17:37.25 | Devo1 | i may just have to give up and plug it in |
| 17:37.29 | Devo1 | ...so much effort.... |
| 17:37.48 | gkatsev | Devo1: what are you using? also, scping/sftping into the right port? |
| 17:38.04 | Devo1 | just using filezilla to sftp |
| 17:38.07 | Devo1 | using 222 |
| 17:38.21 | gkatsev | perhaps sftp isnt set up correctly? |
| 17:38.25 | Devo1 | which lets me upload fine to the home directory |
| 17:38.31 | Devo1 | just not any of the other directories |
| 17:40.29 | Devo1 | so it seems like a permissions issue |
| 17:40.42 | Devo1 | should I be connecting as root instead of as user? |
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| 17:44.51 | Devo1 | and i was able to connect to openssh sftp on port 22 using public private keys last night as well |
| 17:45.00 | Devo1 | so it seems like both sftp servers work |
| 17:45.13 | Devo1 | ... i think my pre needs to visit the doctor |
| 17:45.33 | Devo1 | seems like all the apps can be loaded up in preware now, instead of from the command line like when i last set it up |
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| 18:06.04 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: what did rwhitby do to the modifications repo? |
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| 18:28.21 | linuxjacques | will the pre sync contacts with any linux app? |
| 18:30.27 | ird | linuxjacques: I don't think it syncs with any linux apps atm. |
| 18:30.47 | linuxjacques | ird: OK thanks. I suspected as much. :-) |
| 18:31.04 | ird | But if I'm not mistaken. Someone is working on a backup utility. |
| 18:31.13 | ird | And for some reason I'm thinking it will be written in Java. |
| 18:31.22 | linuxjacques | I don't really wanna put all my contacts on google. imagine the data mining they can do on all that data. |
| 18:31.34 | ird | agreed |
| 18:31.43 | ird | I'm just paranoid though :p |
| 18:31.52 | linuxjacques | me too. |
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| 18:37.47 | Mousey | linuxjacques: hi |
| 18:37.58 | Mousey | linuxjacques: i'm lobbying for a SyncML app for syncing that stuff |
| 18:38.03 | jauderho | dBsooner: you called? |
| 18:38.20 | dBsooner | jauderho: yesterday.. I was trying to track down Larry Clark Jr |
| 18:38.31 | jauderho | no idea who that is |
| 18:39.00 | Mousey | linuxjacques: https://core.forge.funambol.org/ds/viewMessage.do?dsForumId=405&dsMessageId=83976 |
| 18:40.01 | jauderho | linuxjacques: google access to the data is probably less insane than intelius (at least they don't (yet) publicly expose the information) |
| 18:40.25 | Mousey | linuxjacques: this is actually where i introduce the thread to webos-internals: https://core.forge.funambol.org/ds/viewMessage.do?dsForumId=405&dsMessageId=83975 |
| 18:43.10 | dBsooner | jauderho: lclarkjr |
| 18:43.27 | dBsooner | jauderho: i saw on some repo he had committed to something you were doing. Figured you might know him. |
| 18:44.33 | Devo1 | is it not possible to chmod directories in /media/internal? |
| 18:44.41 | dBsooner | no |
| 18:44.51 | bhern | theyre vfat |
| 18:44.56 | dBsooner | . /media/internal is vfat |
| 18:45.24 | Devo1 | ahh |
| 18:46.46 | jauderho | dBsooner: where's that? |
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| 18:47.41 | dBsooner | github |
| 18:47.53 | Mousey | what's the clause in the eula again that allows the other repos (accessable thru Preware) to be allowed by palm? |
| 18:48.07 | dBsooner | jauderho: http://github.com/jauderho/webos-hacks/commits/master |
| 18:48.53 | jauderho | oh no. I dont think I do |
| 18:49.15 | jauderho | that's just a copy of the gitorious repo that I push to github. mostly for my own use. |
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| 19:41.36 | linuxjacques | Mousey: thanks for that info - looking at it |
| 19:48.00 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 19:48.54 | Mousey | i've waxed verbose in a couple posts, mostly info i'd hope would generate an easier approach to developing for WebOS, but they seem kinda stuffy |
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| 20:01.50 | egaudet_work | dBsooner: what do you mean re: mods repo |
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| 20:02.58 | dBsooner | look at the gitweb for gitorious.org/webos-internals/modifications/ |
| 20:03.05 | dBsooner | rwhitby went crazy on it yesterday. :) |
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| 20:08.14 | linuxjacques | stupid web proxy rebooting |
| 20:16.44 | ka6sox | Mousey, I think all the deps for vncserver should work on the Pre. |
| 20:16.54 | Mousey | ka6sox: yah, but the problem is, no X |
| 20:17.10 | Mousey | what would Luna do with mouseclicks? |
| 20:17.14 | ka6sox | we should use the RFB version |
| 20:17.24 | Mousey | there's a FB version?! |
| 20:17.25 | Mousey | epic! |
| 20:17.35 | Mousey | woah |
| 20:17.39 | ka6sox | there are FB versions. |
| 20:17.43 | Mousey | ok, i can totally see it now |
| 20:18.18 | ka6sox | X not necesary |
| 20:19.29 | Mousey | its not even a lot of dots, so a full remote FB should still not cost that much |
| 20:19.48 | Mousey | man, i wish i was that good |
| 20:20.15 | ka6sox | not a lot of dots but emulating the touch points could get interesting. |
| 20:20.35 | ka6sox | dburr and I did that a while ago... |
| 20:21.11 | ka6sox | I'll have to poke him on that..he could probably hack that together for the rfb |
| 20:21.33 | linuxjacques | would it be possible to have luna running against /dev/fb0 and also vnc /dev/fb0 remotely? |
| 20:22.09 | ka6sox | dunno much about luna |
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| 20:22.53 | linuxjacques | my list of "cool things I need to try on my Pre" is getting too long |
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| 20:25.35 | diosif | hello to everyone and an in advance "thank you" for your efforts |
| 20:27.20 | diosif | I'd like to ask if anyone knows how to use alternative keymap on the hard keyboard |
| 20:28.57 | diosif | and how to add a key combination to switch between alternative and standard keymap (change languange) |
| 20:33.29 | dBsooner | linuxjacques: I want to be able to hide images in the image viewer. |
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| 20:51.03 | ird | dBsooner: agreed |
| 20:51.23 | egaudet_work | so make a service/app that hides the images |
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| 20:59.05 | ird | If I had any idea how to do that, I would. |
| 20:59.06 | ird | :p |
| 21:00.28 | rwhitby | dBsooner: ping |
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| 21:05.39 | rwhitby | dBsooner: it was a bunch of patch updates from Jason before his computer died |
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| 21:21.37 | dBsooner | rwhitby: Aye.. I see that.. but you didn't bump any of the version #'s in the build.git Makefiles, you also didn't update the spreadsheet.. and there are now two(?) versions of hide quick launcher? |
| 21:21.46 | dBsooner | So that is why I was confuseled. |
| 21:22.43 | rwhitby | dBsooner: yeah, we're trying to get users to submit the screenshots and stuff so that the developers don't have to do ti |
| 21:23.06 | dBsooner | ? |
| 21:23.14 | rwhitby | they had to go somewhere, cause Jason's computer was dying. |
| 21:23.26 | dBsooner | so are they ready for primetime? |
| 21:23.58 | rwhitby | they are all the latest released versions of any of Jason's patches that are not already in Preware, or updates to ones that are. |
| 21:24.29 | dBsooner | So was it a mistake to have two versions of "hide app launcher"? |
| 21:31.22 | dBsooner | sweet.. lclarkjr and I fixed the "Email - Delete from Notification" problem. |
| 21:44.31 | rwhitby | dBsooner: no, there are two separate hide app launcher patches |
| 21:44.31 | rwhitby | one always hides it |
| 21:44.36 | rwhitby | the other only hides it when the launcher is active |
| 21:45.00 | dBsooner | huh? |
| 21:45.08 | azakus | gerr, 4 interviews at palm and no one will tell me about a verizon pre :( |
| 21:45.28 | azakus | oh well |
| 21:45.37 | rwhitby | azakus: my guess is that's the CES announcement |
| 21:45.40 | azakus | yeah |
| 21:45.56 | azakus | that and a pixi + wifi |
| 21:46.17 | azakus | hopefully 1.3.5 as well |
| 21:46.41 | dBsooner | wonders how/why the exclusivity with Sprint was so short.. |
| 21:47.13 | rwhitby | short? |
| 21:47.29 | dBsooner | well, comparitively speaking. |
| 21:47.37 | rwhitby | 6 months is half the product's lifetime in the market |
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| 21:47.44 | dBsooner | Comparing to Apple's with ATT |
| 21:48.11 | azakus | well, sprint also isn't really the greatest in terms of userbase size |
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| 21:48.19 | linuxjacques | hmm, getting intermittent "content clocked" messages form the proxy here at work. |
| 21:48.21 | azakus | verizon has what, 4x sprint? |
| 21:48.27 | dBsooner | rwhitby: so you think that by June, the Pre will no longer be under active development? |
| 21:48.30 | linuxjacques | "content blocked" that is |
| 21:48.55 | rwhitby | dBsooner: no, but if the Pre is still the Pre when the market will have moved on |
| 21:49.03 | rwhitby | s/when/then/ |
| 21:49.26 | dBsooner | starts saving now for the next webOS device. |
| 21:49.40 | dBsooner | also hopes Sprint gets it. |
| 21:49.51 | linuxjacques | damn, looks like I meesed some good discussion |
| 21:52.51 | rwhitby | linuxjacques: logs are in the usual place |
| 21:55.11 | dBsooner | rwhitby: im still confused on this quick launcher.. one says "Hides the quick launch bar in the launcher" the other "Hides the quick launch bar (while still alowing the quick launch wave)" |
| 21:55.23 | dBsooner | so does that mean that with one you get the wave and the other you don't? |
| 21:55.50 | rwhitby | first *only* hides the bar when the launcher is active. second hides it always. |
| 21:56.05 | rwhitby | wave is unaffected for both I believe |
| 21:58.23 | dBsooner | then the descriptions he put are misleading. |
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| 21:59.29 | linuxjacques | is there anything I can do about the alarm clock notification at the bottom of the screen, it seems that as long as I have an alarm set, the entire screen is a little smaller to make room for the bell icon at the bottom |
| 21:59.31 | rwhitby | each in isolation describes the corresponding patch. together, they could benefit from some clarification. calling them misleading is a bit harsh. |
| 21:59.45 | linuxjacques | I have been enabling and disabling the alarm every day, which kinda defeats the purpose |
| 22:00.02 | ird | linuxjacques: just swipe it away the alarm will still go off. |
| 22:01.09 | rwhitby | linuxjacques: probably needs a patch |
| 22:01.11 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 22:04.18 | linuxjacques | ird: really?? wow. is that what they call the dashboard? I am such a n00b |
| 22:05.11 | linuxjacques | ird: lol sweet. thanks. |
| 22:05.20 | ird | I thought the same thing at first. |
| 22:05.28 | ird | No problem. |
| 22:06.15 | diosif | hello again |
| 22:06.17 | Abyssul_wIRC | webos has lots of little tricks that take forever to find out :p |
| 22:06.50 | diosif | I'd like to ask if anyone knows about the hard keyboard keymaps and how to change/add |
| 22:06.51 | linuxjacques | I downloaded the tips and tricks pdf a few days ago. I need to read the whole thing. |
| 22:08.56 | linuxjacques | diosif: we're not ignoring you. I guess nobody has any ideas :-\ |
| 22:09.07 | ird | One trick I noticed was the swipe/delete thing. Where if you're in a list of things like in the messaging app and you want to delete a lot of messages or conversations. You just swipe one and then swipe another and the original one you swiped is deleted. |
| 22:09.29 | diosif | aha, thank you for this clarification, i really thought you don't wanna play with me :) |
| 22:09.47 | diosif | really, that was helpful... Do you know where i should ask? |
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| 22:11.04 | linuxjacques | well this is a good place to ask I think. just nobody who is awake knows maybe. only other potentially relevant channel I know of on freenode is #webos |
| 22:11.24 | diosif | thank you very much |
| 22:11.42 | diosif | I will try some other time, some other day and maybe i'll be lucky |
| 22:11.44 | linuxjacques | diosif: sorry I could not be of more help |
| 22:12.05 | diosif | np, every answer may be helpfull... |
| 22:16.17 | diosif | goodnight everyone |
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| 22:28.54 | dBsooner | CHUQ! |
| 22:28.59 | dBsooner | QUIT leaving right before I ask you a question! |
| 22:29.07 | dBsooner | Adora: please go get him. :) |
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| 22:36.21 | oc80z | i re-imaged |
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| 22:40.04 | Abyssul_wIRC | rofl |
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| 22:40.20 | oc80z | forgot about the patches i applied |
| 22:40.31 | oc80z | i was so adment bout tha too hhe. |
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| 22:52.01 | eedrin | Hi - new to this...do I wait or just ask? |
| 22:54.00 | linuxjacques | eedrin: just asl, please |
| 22:54.02 | linuxjacques | s/asl/ask/ |
| 22:54.44 | eedrin | got an error trying to do Optware Setup on my Pre - said to paste log to pastebin and come here for help |
| 22:55.31 | eedrin | error on 'sh optware-bootstrap.sh' cmd |
| 22:56.40 | eedrin | error: cannot mount /dev/hdb as dir does not exist |
| 22:57.21 | eedrin | am going thru Optware Setup from "http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps" page |
| 23:01.05 | eedrin | so...ummm...what should I do? |
| 23:03.35 | eedrin | is there someone specific I should ask or somewhere else to go? Sorry - never done IRC before |
| 23:05.54 | eedrin | is there someone specific I should ask or somewhere else to go? Sorry - never done IRC before |
| 23:06.11 | dBsooner | odd, it sounds like the bootstrap was thinking you were doing it on an emulator |
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| 23:06.35 | rwhitby | eedrin: what device are you using? |
| 23:06.46 | rwhitby | Pre, Pixi, Emulator, something else? |
| 23:06.53 | eedrin | are the steps to set it up diff if on emulator? |
| 23:06.58 | eedrin | on Pre |
| 23:07.32 | rwhitby | eedrin: which instructions are you following? URL please. |
| 23:07.59 | eedrin | Oh - I may have had the emulator running tho I wasn't doing the install there - could that cause prob? |
| 23:08.14 | eedrin | "http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Next_steps" |
| 23:09.10 | eedrin | under "Optware Setup" section |
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| 23:11.18 | dBsooner | eedrin: maybe.. as when you "novaterm" it might be grabbing the emu and not the pre. |
| 23:12.43 | eedrin | ok...I turned off emulator but now it can't find device :P |
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| 23:13.49 | eedrin | so, yeah...sounds like it was grabbing emu |
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| 23:14.31 | zsoc | when the heck did I get voiced? |
| 23:14.53 | zsoc | sets channel mode to +m :> |
| 23:17.34 | eedrin | any idea how to get it to recognize my pre? |
| 23:19.05 | oc80z | wow |
| 23:19.15 | oc80z | mytether bricks pre. |
| 23:19.26 | oc80z | run for your lives. |
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| 23:20.45 | eedrin | I think my novaterm is stuck on looking for the emulator that *was*running...how do I 'quit' novaterm and start new session? |
| 23:21.14 | Mercury | oc80z: Say what? |
| 23:21.16 | diov | are you on linux, mac or pc? |
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| 23:22.36 | oc80z | freaking phone wont turn on |
| 23:22.47 | oc80z | after usbnet was enabled. |
| 23:22.50 | eedrin | mac |
| 23:23.11 | dBsooner | eedrin: reboot |
| 23:23.14 | dBsooner | oc80z: no it doesn't |
| 23:23.25 | oc80z | fact. |
| 23:23.26 | diov | eedrin: try using terminal and running sudo killall novaterm |
| 23:23.27 | oc80z | heh |
| 23:24.53 | eedrin | K...ran 'sudo killall novaterm' but get this response: "No matching processes were found" |
| 23:25.46 | diov | eedrin: try sudo killall palm-novaterm |
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| 23:26.43 | dBsooner | oc80z: usbnet != mytether... therefor mytether did NOT brick your pre. |
| 23:27.12 | oc80z | mytether activated usbnet |
| 23:27.13 | oc80z | you make the call. |
| 23:28.01 | dBsooner | again, you said, "after usbnet was enabled.." |
| 23:28.01 | oc80z | oj simpson didnt kill her, the knife did. |
| 23:28.10 | dBsooner | therefor mytether didn't do it.. usbnet idd |
| 23:28.28 | oc80z | *yawn* ok spooner. |
| 23:28.35 | oc80z | er, w/e ur nick is |
| 23:28.36 | dBsooner | and I HIGHLY doubt it's "bricked".. you all use that term way too loosely. |
| 23:28.50 | oc80z | mmm |
| 23:28.59 | oc80z | not i |
| 23:29.00 | Mousey | doesn't |
| 23:29.08 | oc80z | black screen, not booting. |
| 23:29.16 | dBsooner | doesn't mean it's bricked |
| 23:29.23 | oc80z | i am going to treat it like a brick in a lil bit. |
| 23:29.29 | oc80z | thats my definition,. throwing it at the wall |
| 23:29.41 | Mousey | that'd break it |
| 23:29.56 | oc80z | breaking any chance of a sprint person getting my tls/ssl certs and vpn shit |
| 23:29.56 | oc80z | heh |
| 23:30.02 | oc80z | then ill blame the wall, not me. |
| 23:33.19 | oc80z | *sigh* |
| 23:33.45 | eedrin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:34.22 | egaudet | eedrin, what OS? |
| 23:34.32 | egaudet | is your device in developer mode? |
| 23:35.31 | oc80z | whats in eprom? |
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| 23:37.34 | eedrin | OS is Mac 10.5.8 and yes, device is in Dev Movde |
| 23:37.57 | oc80z | pull batt, plug usb , wait for ?batt?, hold power, push batt == flash eprom? |
| 23:41.39 | linuxjacques | under linux I would say look at the /var/log/messages as you plug the device, but I'm note sure where/if USB messages would be logged on OSX |
| 23:42.46 | oc80z | yo spooner |
| 23:43.14 | oc80z | why so rage++ |
| 23:43.30 | oc80z | iphone sucks, thats why we are here. |
| 23:43.35 | eedrin | when I try to run 'sudo launchctl load -w /Library/LaunchDaemons/com.palm.novacomd' (from the Accessing Linux usind Novaterm page of webos-internals) it says "com.palm.novacomd: Already loaded" |
| 23:44.42 | linuxjacques | oc80z: is your pre recovering? |
| 23:45.37 | linuxjacques | eedrin: what type of Mac and which USB port/s have you tried? |
| 23:45.37 | oc80z | yeah i am assuming i had to erase somthing in memory |
| 23:46.00 | oc80z | by keeping the battery pulled, or that combo i did, etc.. |
| 23:46.01 | linuxjacques | oc80z: did you have to re-flash it or just power cycling fixed it? |
| 23:46.40 | linuxjacques | eedrin: my late 2007 imac has strange USB issues especially with the keyboard USB ports |
| 23:47.01 | egaudet | try unplugging and replugging your usb |
| 23:50.51 | eedrin | im on macbook air & it only has one usb port (is special type for macbook air so it can run ext drives) |
| 23:51.15 | eedrin | tried unplu/replug ...no joy |
| 23:51.27 | linuxjacques | ah OK |
| 23:51.29 | eedrin | will try restart mac |
| 23:51.43 | eedrin | thx all for ur help :) |
| 23:52.12 | linuxjacques | you're welcome |
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| 23:54.32 | oc80z | linuxjacques Not SUre brah |
| 23:55.16 | oc80z | lulz |
| 23:55.25 | oc80z | Short of hardware damage, it should not be possible to "brick" a Pre. |
| 23:57.40 | linuxjacques | yeah, the other night I was doctoring mine and it bailed at 52%. the pre would not turn off with the power button after that. I finally figured out pull and replace the battery and while holding volume button "up" plug into USB. that worked. |
| 23:58.13 | oc80z | Yeah, |
| 23:58.43 | oc80z | Who else, but Palm. |
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| 23:59.16 | oc80z | my friend from Karlsruhe Germany was blown away |
