| 00:00.08 | zsoc | ird: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian |
| 00:00.11 | nfoxTc | how? |
| 00:00.24 | ird | zsoc: I found the kernel wiki page. |
| 00:00.33 | ird | It has cross compilation instructions. |
| 00:00.43 | zsoc | nfoxTc: back gesture to esc/menu, and then 'save'? |
| 00:00.44 | Jack87-WebIRC | if i lightly swipe on screen moves... without fire intresting |
| 00:01.02 | zsoc | Jack87-WebIRC: there's a fake 'pressure sensitivity |
| 00:01.14 | zsoc | Jack87-WebIRC: i think it's based on how 'big' the touch area being used is |
| 00:01.22 | zsoc | it's in the sdl port patch |
| 00:01.27 | zsoc | ird: what page? |
| 00:02.07 | ird | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels#Download_and_install_the_cross-compiler |
| 00:02.49 | nfoxTc | ah thanks zsoc |
| 00:02.51 | Jack87-WebIRC | if turned revers... maybe volume key can become fire and second fire |
| 00:02.55 | Jack87-WebIRC | mouse one and two |
| 00:03.09 | nfoxTc | didn't know I could back gesture on doom :p |
| 00:03.35 | Jack87-WebIRC | so keyboard in left hand for finger can control fire while touching screen can act as a mouse in joystick motion |
| 00:04.04 | Jack87-WebIRC | placing finger top right hand corder i that makes sens |
| 00:04.22 | zsoc | nfoxTc: turns out gesture pad passes regular ascii values |
| 00:04.36 | zsoc | "back" is the little c with the squiggly below it :> |
| 00:04.52 | zsoc | er, no, back is esc,, the squiggly c was something else |
| 00:04.53 | Jack87-WebIRC | zsoc: when you get a chance see if volume buttons do anything |
| 00:05.16 | zsoc | Jack87-WebIRC: using those for a game is a terrible idea |
| 00:05.36 | zsoc | lets use the mute toggle switch to reload ;) |
| 00:05.46 | Jack87-WebIRC | haha |
| 00:06.22 | nfoxTc | hmm never would have thought that |
| 00:06.26 | Jack87-WebIRC | zsoc: terrible idea why? i guess they are kind of hard to push but not too bad if you got used to it |
| 00:06.40 | Jack87-WebIRC | its like triger buttons on a consol controler |
| 00:06.41 | zsoc | Jack87-WebIRC: they aren't made to be pressed 2835239482 times |
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| 00:06.53 | zsoc | plus then you can't change the volume if we somehow steal their luna hook :P |
| 00:07.44 | Jack87-WebIRC | haha they would be so fun though |
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| 00:08.23 | zsoc | hmm... resize2fs breaks my phone. |
| 00:08.26 | zsoc | and yet i keep using it |
| 00:08.54 | Jack87-WebIRC | , and / are starfeleft right |
| 00:09.36 | dtzWill | Jack87-WebIRC: for quake?? |
| 00:10.07 | Jack87-WebIRC | dtzWill: ya.. the key bindings are pretty straight forward on the config file |
| 00:10.17 | Jack87-WebIRC | dtzWill: not sure how to control menu though |
| 00:10.29 | zsoc | Jack87-WebIRC: the arrow keys ;) |
| 00:10.39 | Jack87-WebIRC | zsoc: oh of course |
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| 00:12.38 | destinal-nirc | ugh,pc issues |
| 00:12.46 | bpadalino | uh oh .. sounds bad |
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| 00:12.51 | ird | Who does the Preware webpage? |
| 00:13.13 | ird | They should put in the faq "Why is the FAQ empty?" |
| 00:13.14 | ird | :D |
| 00:13.15 | gkatsev | ird: Templarian and rwhitby |
| 00:13.21 | cashen | Templarian: Ping |
| 00:13.26 | ird | I thought it was him. |
| 00:13.28 | destinal-nirc | bpadalino: master boot record fubar |
| 00:13.33 | bpadalino | ouch |
| 00:13.55 | Templarian | :( |
| 00:14.54 | cashen | Templarian: DId you complete the image for the swag? |
| 00:14.58 | Jack87-WebIRC | changing the config file doesnt actualyl change it in the game it self |
| 00:15.05 | dtzWill | Jack87-WebIRC: o_O |
| 00:15.32 | Templarian | cashen: what's the image for swag? |
| 00:15.37 | Jack87-WebIRC | the config file is a good guide to know whats what but sure not playable lol |
| 00:16.02 | Templarian | really should write down all these things he's suppose to be designing up. |
| 00:16.24 | dtzWill | Jack87-WebIRC: do enough keys work that if we changed them it would be playable |
| 00:16.27 | Templarian | I know I'm suppose to be designing up a large tux in a lab coat. Was that it? |
| 00:16.27 | dtzWill | ? |
| 00:16.45 | cashen | could be |
| 00:17.06 | cashen | How is it coming? |
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| 00:17.35 | oil | Templarian: riding a unirocn |
| 00:17.47 | Jack87-WebIRC | dtzWill: yes we can make it playable for sure |
| 00:18.03 | dtzWill | Jack87-WebIRC: good good, so doesn't sound like an sdl bug.... |
| 00:18.08 | dtzWill | maybe? |
| 00:18.09 | Jack87-WebIRC | so i figured out what happens when i change the keys.. everytime i run the game it overwrites my changees |
| 00:18.27 | Jack87-WebIRC | the file goes back to default |
| 00:18.27 | dtzWill | oh that's curious |
| 00:18.33 | zsoc | Templarian: can my stuff say "webOS hacker extraordinaire" -Engaget.com on it? ;) |
| 00:18.56 | dtzWill | where are you changing it? |
| 00:18.57 | Jack87-WebIRC | dtzWill: i think it unpacks the pak file each time |
| 00:19.01 | dtzWill | try putting your changes in autoexec.cfg |
| 00:19.03 | Jack87-WebIRC | config.cfg |
| 00:19.04 | dtzWill | not config.cfg |
| 00:19.13 | Jack87-WebIRC | oh ok |
| 00:19.37 | Jack87-WebIRC | dtzWill: where is autoexec.cfg. is it in the back? |
| 00:20.06 | Jack87-WebIRC | pak* |
| 00:20.32 | dtzWill | no, just put it in id1/, so id1/autoexec.cfg |
| 00:20.37 | cashen | zsoc: due to costs, all the stickers will be the same :( |
| 00:20.53 | zsoc | cashen: ah, no, I was making a jest :) no apologies, swag is a great thing |
| 00:22.29 | cashen | I can't wait to have it on my car and have someone notice it |
| 00:23.05 | cashen | I'mg going to send a couple to Jon now that he is geek of the year |
| 00:25.08 | zsoc | cashen: i wonder if his palm has preware on it |
| 00:25.11 | Jack87-WebIRC | dtzWill: no luck |
| 00:25.35 | Jack87-WebIRC | dtzWill: i dont know if its exectuying it |
| 00:26.40 | dtzWill | bummer |
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| 00:27.56 | Jack87-WebIRC | if we could open console we could bind keys |
| 00:28.08 | Jack87-WebIRC | but i dunno if there is a way to do ` on the pre |
| 00:29.01 | zsoc | Jack87-WebIRC: he could edit the SDL_keysym.h header and recompile it ;) |
| 00:29.06 | dtzWill | i thuoght it was tilde, but that doesn't work either |
| 00:29.25 | Jack87-WebIRC | `~ same key |
| 00:29.32 | Jack87-WebIRC | ~=shit |
| 00:29.46 | freakout | zsoc: the "gles guys are chugging away"? |
| 00:29.48 | Jack87-WebIRC | can we run it in the emulator? |
| 00:29.48 | zsoc | shiFt you mean? |
| 00:29.59 | zsoc | freakout: I don't think I said that. But it sounds like me |
| 00:30.03 | Jack87-WebIRC | lol yes shift |
| 00:30.13 | zsoc | freakout: there are like 3 geniuses here trying to get a userland to compile compatible opengl es stuff |
| 00:30.33 | oil | scratches the "f" off his shift key |
| 00:30.41 | freakout | lol |
| 00:30.41 | Jack87-WebIRC | someone have 1.3.5 emulator they can try to test this on |
| 00:30.48 | Jack87-WebIRC | lol oil@ |
| 00:30.51 | freakout | I always thought of the Windows key as my "shit" key |
| 00:31.09 | frozenbinary | i am so pumped about openGL!!! |
| 00:31.12 | freakout | as in "SHIT, I pressed it and now I've been kicked back to the desktop in the middle of a fragging spree" |
| 00:31.53 | zsoc | Why is novacom file transfer 3 times faster than drag and drop usb? |
| 00:32.05 | Jack87-WebIRC | dtzWill: think arrow keys will work on the emulator? perhaps can bind keys within that and package up the file after |
| 00:32.16 | dtzWill | Jack87-WebIRC: haha no idea i hardly use the emulator |
| 00:32.31 | dtzWill | Jack87-WebIRC: I would imagine /not/? but i don't have any good idea to back that up with |
| 00:32.32 | Jack87-WebIRC | rwhitby: you are our emulator expert. |
| 00:32.50 | zsoc | he can recompile against altered sdl keysym headers... |
| 00:33.06 | Jack87-WebIRC | zsoc: do it |
| 00:33.15 | Jack87-WebIRC | atleast give us a ` key :) |
| 00:33.16 | zsoc | i can't. he has everything patched and what not. |
| 00:34.03 | zsoc | Jack87-WebIRC: so he just changes 96 to a different key |
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| 00:35.33 | Jack87-WebIRC | zsoc: what do you mean |
| 00:35.47 | Jack87-WebIRC | my pre is restarting luna now.. it was just sitting there wt |
| 00:35.54 | Jack87-WebIRC | eh oh it powered off |
| 00:35.58 | zsoc | Jack87-WebIRC: that's pretty common with the crap we're doing lol |
| 00:35.58 | Jack87-WebIRC | did i kill it who knows |
| 00:36.09 | zsoc | Jack87-WebIRC: this is why some have 'developer' devices :D |
| 00:37.08 | bpadalino | i still don't understand what is defined in libSDL and what is in libPiranha |
| 00:37.10 | zsoc | dtzWill: if you don't mind, and you have a second, you can back up /usr/include/SDL/SDL_keysym.h , make a copy, and change the value of '96' to a different ascii value from an accessable key. that would give Jack access to conosole |
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| 00:37.25 | bpadalino | the W part in libSDL is confusing to me |
| 00:37.32 | zsoc | bpadalino: me neither. I can't find any useful docs on piranha |
| 00:37.44 | bpadalino | there will be no docs on piranha since it's all internal to palm |
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| 00:37.57 | zsoc | bpadalino: ooooooh. did we shoot them an email yet? |
| 00:38.00 | bpadalino | its mainly that 'W' from nm on that CreatePixmap .. |
| 00:38.09 | bpadalino | not sure, usually destinal pesters them about Piranha :) |
| 00:38.21 | destinal | heh |
| 00:38.26 | zsoc | bpadalino: how do i repeat the command to get the information that confuses you? |
| 00:38.27 | destinal | I think they hate me |
| 00:38.37 | zsoc | destinal: they hate me too, but i'm super nice so they are super nice back ;) |
| 00:38.48 | bpadalino | nm libSDL.so | c\+\+filt | grep CreatePixmap |
| 00:38.49 | Jack87 | zsoc: should i be able to do that on my phone (iif it ever boots up) |
| 00:38.53 | zsoc | rick_home: go get us piranha header. they _sort_ of have to give it to us anyway... |
| 00:39.03 | bpadalino | i don't understand what a weak symbol is . |
| 00:39.07 | bpadalino | or how we figure out where it goes |
| 00:39.08 | zsoc | Jack87: no, it needs to be done in the development library you compile against |
| 00:39.21 | Jack87 | zsoc: roger that |
| 00:40.26 | tmzt | get resolved at link time |
| 00:40.35 | tmzt | but is also in the so |
| 00:40.39 | tmzt | so it can be replaced |
| 00:40.45 | tmzt | I think so at least |
| 00:41.01 | zsoc | bpadalino: isn't the whole purpose of a weak symbol is it doesn't _need_ to be defined? |
| 00:41.10 | bpadalino | i have no idea |
| 00:41.15 | bpadalino | this is a capital W .. |
| 00:41.47 | bpadalino | the system defines the whole thing ? |
| 00:41.49 | zsoc | bpadalino: yeah, that's a weak symbol. it shouldn't affect much if that's the only problem |
| 00:41.52 | bpadalino | just confuses the crap out of me |
| 00:41.53 | egaudet | If it's not defined in any lib other than SDL, then maybe it's an inline or something directly in PContext.h |
| 00:41.57 | zsoc | if you don't define it, it becomes 0 with no error |
| 00:42.22 | egaudet | It needs to be defined as the code calls it |
| 00:42.40 | Jack87 | would changing write permitions help the config.cfg from reverting back |
| 00:43.24 | Jack87 | i might need to doctor my phone wont go past palm screen shit havent backed up |
| 00:43.39 | bpadalino | destinal: so if you nm on your libSDL .. do those functions come up as W's ? |
| 00:44.00 | jacques | I think a weak symbol is link-time variable |
| 00:44.04 | zsoc | Jack87: pull battery, unplug from power source, put battery in, wait |
| 00:44.17 | zsoc | Jack87: some times when you crash with sdl stuff it needs a second boot for luna to load |
| 00:44.22 | jacques | (dynamic link-time) |
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| 00:44.53 | Jack87 | i dont think i was running quake at the time of crash. hum... anyway i guess this gives me an excuse to go eat |
| 00:45.36 | zsoc | lol yes |
| 00:45.46 | lingfish | Mornin'. |
| 00:46.10 | zsoc | yoyoyoyo |
| 00:46.19 | lingfish | zsoc: nice work on DOOM :) |
| 00:46.30 | zsoc | lingfish: yes yes, my famous 'make' |
| 00:46.42 | jacques | hmm, in my googling for weak symbol I see a lot of "behavior is not defined by spec" and "implementation dependent" |
| 00:46.54 | lingfish | zsoc: I'm surprised ... not having dug more, I'd have thought it'd need an xbuild etc... |
| 00:47.05 | lingfish | I thought Pre's could only currently run JS stuff |
| 00:47.23 | lingfish | Is it literally just a linux ARM binary? |
| 00:47.37 | zsoc | lingfish: there's a lot of things that need porting, but we got lucky with doom, it didn't butt heads with any of palms sdl patch changes |
| 00:47.41 | destinal | lingfish: Native app support is new in 1.3.5 |
| 00:47.49 | egaudet | bpadalino, I tried __attribute__((weak)) |
| 00:47.52 | egaudet | seg fault |
| 00:48.02 | Jack87 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=10064 |
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| 00:48.06 | lingfish | destinal: meaning what exactly.. native Linux ELF or what? |
| 00:48.31 | destinal | lingfish: well, you could always run native linux binaries, but now we have an SDL library that cooperates with Luna |
| 00:48.51 | lingfish | destinal: any API doco on it yet? |
| 00:48.52 | lingfish | :) |
| 00:48.54 | destinal | so we can do graphics stuff, it just launches, makes SDL calls to create a surface, Luna finds out and opens a card |
| 00:49.12 | zsoc | well, sort of like that ;) |
| 00:49.19 | egaudet | bpadalino, so I don't get undefined symbol anymore now that I made it weak but I seg fault, don't know if it's related |
| 00:49.21 | zsoc | we're not entirely sure about the whole thing. it just works |
| 00:49.28 | lingfish | hmmm. |
| 00:49.36 | bpadalino | heh |
| 00:49.43 | zsoc | lingfish: you should have seen my face when i ran my first sdl test app |
| 00:49.48 | lingfish | O2 still haven't done anything. |
| 00:50.03 | lingfish | zsoc: hahahaha, yes... bust a few muscles grinning to hard? :) |
| 00:50.34 | lingfish | I just hope and pray now that Palm go the rest of the way soon with another update, and use the GPU all through Luna et al. |
| 00:50.40 | sepi | hi. so I just updated to 1.3.5 and forgot to migrate some preware apps. is the data of those apps now gone? |
| 00:50.46 | lingfish | It still shits me a little that the iCrap scrolls and whatnot super-smooth |
| 00:50.55 | bpadalino | egaudet: if you strace when you run, does it show an invalid pointer access or something ? |
| 00:51.20 | zsoc | lingfish: it was just an app that used sdl-image to display a bit map on screen. i thought it was just 'overlay'ing luna. then i pressure the gesture button and it zoomed out in a card. there's a log here somewhere. my capslock was definitely stuck |
| 00:51.49 | lingfish | heheheh |
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| 00:52.10 | lingfish | Simple DirectMedia Layer. |
| 00:52.20 | zsoc | simple indeed lol |
| 00:53.00 | destinal | brb, still fighting with my computer |
| 00:53.01 | sepi | does anyone know if the data saved by homebrewn apps is backupped to the palm servers too? |
| 00:53.10 | lingfish | sepi: highly doubt it |
| 00:53.14 | egaudet | do i just strace doom it? |
| 00:53.15 | zsoc | most definitely not |
| 00:53.35 | sepi | lingfish: so it's gone I guess ... :( |
| 00:53.38 | lingfish | egaudet: good practice is a -f too... follow fork()'s, if the code has any |
| 00:54.02 | lingfish | sepi: I'm not 100% sure, but last I heard, cloud backups were only builtin Pre stuff. |
| 00:54.15 | zsoc | sepi: it might still be in your /var/ somewhere |
| 00:54.25 | sepi | ahh, I'll have a look then |
| 00:54.30 | zsoc | sepi: not sure how app data works, a cookie or database file |
| 00:54.35 | Jack87 | what would sdlquake-reset |
| 00:54.40 | Jack87 | do |
| 00:54.47 | zsoc | Jack87: reset .... something? |
| 00:55.17 | Jack87 | can i run consol command swhile in ssh i wonder |
| 00:55.34 | sepi | zsoc: Yeah, me neither |
| 00:55.39 | sepi | normally it just works :) |
| 00:55.52 | zsoc | sepi: #webos might be more the place |
| 00:57.01 | sepi | hmm, I thaught that one was more for mojo programming |
| 00:57.34 | rwhitby | dBsooner: syn|ack |
| 00:58.01 | dBsooner | rwhitby: Have you heard reports of any of the patches causing the Touchstone not to work? |
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| 00:58.07 | lingfish | I've still gotta work out my Calendar hacks for Facebook |
| 00:58.22 | rwhitby | dBsooner: nope, touchstone failures are common enough that you don't need patches to do it |
| 00:58.37 | dBsooner | rwhitby: I had a bunch of them installed and I lost touchstone charging |
| 00:58.42 | rwhitby | freakout: no quake article? |
| 00:58.43 | dBsooner | it flat out didn't register being on it. |
| 00:58.58 | freakout | rwhitby: que? I think I'm the only one who's done one... |
| 00:59.00 | lingfish | dBsooner: that is TRULY bizarre! |
| 00:59.05 | lingfish | dBsooner: did you figure which patch it was? |
| 00:59.08 | freakout | http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10015/quake-ported-to-palm-pre/ |
| 00:59.08 | dBsooner | I ran EPR (which removed all patches.. yah!) and it all started working again. |
| 00:59.10 | zsoc | sepi: your issue is mojo related. where is legit app data stored? :) |
| 00:59.14 | rwhitby | freakout: oh, I didn't see it tweeted |
| 00:59.32 | lingfish | freakout: HI! |
| 00:59.32 | freakout | I guess precentral just don't care about you guys :p |
| 00:59.33 | dBsooner | lingfish: Not yet.. I am re-installing what I had 5 by 5 to narrow it down |
| 00:59.50 | freakout | If you like, I can fax those "PIC-exclusive-agreement" contracts over now :p |
| 01:00.05 | freakout | lingfish: howdy-ho! how's the pre treating you... |
| 01:00.15 | rwhitby | freakout: heh |
| 01:00.21 | lingfish | freakout: dude... 99.98% happy :) Love my toy |
| 01:00.45 | lingfish | My only complaints are this annoying carrier dependancy on updates... the Oreo effect... and no GPU akshun |
| 01:00.47 | dBsooner | rwhitby: Did you or someone fix the "Unknown packages' issue? |
| 01:00.56 | lingfish | freakout: what about you? |
| 01:01.05 | rwhitby | dBsooner: dunno |
| 01:01.29 | dBsooner | rwhitby: All of a suddon I don't get 160 "fixing" anymore |
| 01:01.31 | rwhitby | ird: re cross-compiling - I'm setting up something now that will be developer-friendly |
| 01:01.47 | freakout | lingfish: my complaints: battery life, slow-ass PIM apps as compared to PalmOS, oreo effect. The GPU is being worked on right here at ground zero, I believe... well, if we belive zsoc at any rate. Which is a bit of a leap. |
| 01:01.47 | dBsooner | you know the 160 themes not being "known" |
| 01:01.50 | zsoc | dBsooner: it's the prethemer feed, ask anoutsider |
| 01:01.50 | rwhitby | dBsooner: either you turned off themes, or AnOutsider fixed them |
| 01:02.14 | zsoc | freakout: well we won't be able to make Luna use the gpu :P |
| 01:02.15 | freakout | lingfish: oh, and no GPS nav app! God I miss TomTom |
| 01:02.19 | dBsooner | I'm thjinking of turning off that feed anyway.. I wish there was a way to speed it up. |
| 01:02.30 | lingfish | freakout: well yeah, I didn't even mention batt life... that's a given. I'm hoping to god that 1.3.5 fixes it for me, as I'm on Voda and their coverage ain't too smick |
| 01:02.33 | lingfish | shmick |
| 01:02.36 | freakout | zsoc: Oh go on, set yourself a challenge |
| 01:02.44 | lingfish | freakout: oh yeah, and no Latitude. I miss that. |
| 01:03.57 | rwhitby | zsoc: rubinstein's palm definitely has preware on it - I added a test and phone home a couple of versions ago ... |
| 01:04.11 | freakout | lol |
| 01:04.28 | freakout | rwhitby: so what is he installing? "sexy ladies" theme? |
| 01:04.38 | zsoc | rwhitby: "a test and phone home"? Is that some oz lingo? |
| 01:04.41 | chezbi | lol |
| 01:04.57 | rwhitby | freakout: I cannot disclose anything about individual user preferences that Preware records ... |
| 01:05.06 | freakout | Good |
| 01:05.14 | lingfish | hhahahaaa |
| 01:05.19 | freakout | then you won't be able to disclose I've been downloading the "sexy blokes" theme :p |
| 01:05.23 | lingfish | PREWARE BIG BROTHERS US?!?!?! |
| 01:05.32 | rwhitby | freakout: nope, I won't be able to disclose that fact |
| 01:05.54 | lingfish | rwhitby: does Tim use the manwhore theme? |
| 01:06.26 | freakout | lingfish: How uncouth. I prefer the term "escort" |
| 01:06.31 | Jack87 | it doesnt look like its running the autexec.cfg file like it should |
| 01:07.06 | lingfish | I say we need an app that discloses all that Preware knows |
| 01:07.25 | lingfish | That information should be all MIT license. |
| 01:07.29 | zsoc | rwhitby: no really, i didn't understand what you said. |
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| 01:07.36 | rwhitby | sepi: use the emergency migration helper utility |
| 01:07.37 | atlanta | is here and ready to test |
| 01:08.19 | lingfish | atlanta: That's nice :) |
| 01:08.30 | atlanta | lingfish: indeed it is my friend |
| 01:08.34 | zsoc | atlanta: well start chilling in here on the regular :P |
| 01:09.02 | lingfish | freakout: oh and yeah... the annoying Touchstone issue. |
| 01:09.24 | freakout | lingfish: that got you too? |
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| 01:09.35 | freakout | oh, christ. |
| 01:09.44 | lingfish | freakout: just the 100% charing bing bing thing |
| 01:09.45 | atlanta | zsoc: ok i will and i wanna learn the coding part to when i come to that point ;-) |
| 01:09.57 | lingfish | Strangely fixed with the business card solution... f'ing weird |
| 01:10.12 | rwhitby | lingfish: you saw my surgery photos? |
| 01:10.23 | atlanta | yay can recieve vcards correctly |
| 01:10.33 | freakout | "Personal mobile telephones are permitted to be used at limited times during training. As a general rule, you will be permitted to use your mobile phone each evening before or after the evening meal and on sundays between 8.00 and 10.30am." <-- I'm gonna suffer serious Pre withdrawal |
| 01:10.44 | lingfish | rwhitby: no?!? Ah, did you retro fit something? I was gonna do the same thing, just trace a circle and cut it out, double-back tape it to it |
| 01:10.48 | sepi | rwhitby: didn't do anything :( |
| 01:10.52 | zsoc | freakout: you going to jail? |
| 01:10.54 | freakout | rwhitby: I saw. Shame nothing came of it |
| 01:10.57 | sepi | rwhitby: I ran it before upgrading |
| 01:11.02 | freakout | zsoc: close enough... boot camp |
| 01:11.07 | rwhitby | sepi: before it now use |
| 01:11.09 | rwhitby | no use |
| 01:11.11 | zsoc | freakout: ew |
| 01:11.26 | freakout | zsoc: It's better than a cell centre :) |
| 01:11.28 | rwhitby | we depend on freakout to defend australia. shocking I know. |
| 01:11.34 | zsoc | ha |
| 01:11.36 | lingfish | ugh |
| 01:11.38 | lingfish | God help us |
| 01:11.39 | zsoc | Australia has many enemies |
| 01:11.45 | zsoc | i just.. can't think of any atm |
| 01:11.51 | lingfish | zsoc: me, for a start. |
| 01:11.54 | zsoc | well you guys have all that desert. we might want that |
| 01:12.02 | rwhitby | zsoc: that's why we're ok with freakout doing the job |
| 01:12.04 | lingfish | Fucking backwater public transport retarded place |
| 01:12.04 | freakout | There's NZ. We've been fighting a secret battle for millenia |
| 01:12.05 | oil | rwhitby: btw: http://i46.tinypic.com/2r3z7m0.png |
| 01:12.06 | freakout | lol |
| 01:12.16 | lingfish | rwhitby: pics and don't STFU |
| 01:12.31 | rwhitby | oil: nice |
| 01:12.33 | freakout | oil: lol @ error message |
| 01:12.40 | freakout | Please keep that. |
| 01:12.55 | tlp | zsoc: shouldn't g be reverse in Doom? |
| 01:12.56 | Jack87 | rwhitby: what did i need to do to allow permisions in launching quake again. the command you sent me yesterday |
| 01:13.03 | lingfish | WARNING: READ THIS! |
| 01:13.04 | Jack87 | chm... |
| 01:13.22 | rwhitby | oil: of course I just had a thought in the shower this morning that SDL in a card actually allows us to do real dialogue-based install stuff ... |
| 01:13.38 | zsoc | tlp: sdl bug |
| 01:13.45 | zsoc | tlp: it _is_ reverse |
| 01:13.46 | tlp | ah |
| 01:13.46 | sepi | Hey, btw. there is a little bug in doom. the keybindings don't work on a german pre. z is inverted with y. |
| 01:13.49 | rwhitby | oil: but this is much sexier |
| 01:14.06 | lingfish | rwhitby: pics :P |
| 01:14.12 | rwhitby | sepi: ah, going left isn't used that much in germany ... |
| 01:14.18 | Jack87 | rwhitby: nm got it chmod ugo+x sdlquake |
| 01:14.23 | sepi | rwhitby: haha |
| 01:14.25 | zsoc | lol |
| 01:14.27 | rwhitby | lingfish: pics of what? |
| 01:14.33 | lingfish | rwhitby: surgery? |
| 01:14.48 | oil | rwhitby: thats just the messages portion of it |
| 01:15.00 | rwhitby | lingfish: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/touchstone |
| 01:15.07 | lingfish | ta |
| 01:15.08 | tlp | Doom is actually fun on the pre because it's such a pain in the ass to play :p |
| 01:15.13 | sepi | rwhitby: I wanted to fix it, but I guess it's hardcoded in the binary or save in the wad? |
| 01:15.39 | rwhitby | sepi: you'll need to ask the WHE for that, I'm just the PM |
| 01:15.45 | oil | waity |
| 01:15.50 | oil | "rwhitby: oil: of course I just had a thought in the shower this morning..." |
| 01:15.51 | oil | "lingfish: rwhitby: pics :P" |
| 01:16.07 | lingfish | hahahahaa |
| 01:16.10 | lingfish | ahem. |
| 01:16.21 | lingfish | THEY'RE FOR FREAKOUT! |
| 01:16.30 | lingfish | He needs "comfort" whilst getting a boot up his camp |
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| 01:16.54 | freakout | I just save Rod's Precentral interviews for that on an endless loop |
| 01:17.02 | freakout | Helps me go to sleep :p |
| 01:17.05 | lingfish | mmmm.... Rodcast |
| 01:17.23 | rwhitby | so, what's a good name for a repo that builds a cross-compilation environment including headers, libs unpacked from doctors or sdk, and toolchains ? |
| 01:17.27 | lingfish | I always love hearing an aussie talk amongst yanks... our accent seems so strange |
| 01:17.36 | oil | lol |
| 01:17.49 | lingfish | rwhitby: xtoolpre |
| 01:17.53 | rwhitby | lingfish: I have an accent? |
| 01:18.03 | zsoc | lingfish: do you realize when you guys say "beer can" it sounds like a jamacian saying "bacon" ? |
| 01:18.05 | oil | whilst listening i tried to say words the same way rwhitby was saying them |
| 01:18.07 | lingfish | We all do. :) |
| 01:18.07 | oil | and i was unable to |
| 01:18.13 | freakout | rwhitby: DrFrankenstein |
| 01:18.15 | lingfish | zsoc: HAHAHAHAA |
| 01:18.29 | zsoc | lingfish: i laughed about that for 4 days straight |
| 01:18.33 | ird | rwhitby: re: cross compiling. awesome :D |
| 01:18.38 | lingfish | mmm, bacon |
| 01:18.53 | rwhitby | chooses preware/cross-compile.git |
| 01:18.59 | zsoc | rwhitby: good idea |
| 01:19.17 | lingfish | rwhitby: oh god... this surgery is a mess... i'm just doing to cut a bus card into a circle and tape to the top :P |
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| 01:19.41 | rwhitby | lingfish: surgery didn't work anyway. |
| 01:19.49 | lingfish | doh |
| 01:20.01 | atlanta | grrrrrr i get so mad when users give an app 5 stars because they cant install |
| 01:20.03 | atlanta | not my fault lol |
| 01:20.05 | lingfish | And damnit, in true dork style, I'll even do photos of the process. |
| 01:20.06 | zsoc | rwhitby: and technically that stuff isn't "sticky", it just has a high coefficient of friction |
| 01:20.37 | lingfish | zsoc: I was wondering actually... becaus I haven't even removed the plastic film... does it build up with gunk? |
| 01:20.48 | lingfish | I think its called "micro suction" or some wanky name? |
| 01:20.51 | Jack87 | rwhitby: why wont the changes i make to config.cfg for quake stick. it reverts to default at launch each time |
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| 01:20.56 | lingfish | I'm worried it'll just clug with dust |
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| 01:20.59 | zsoc | lingfish: warm soapy water, good as new in 5 minutes |
| 01:21.13 | lingfish | zsoc: ah very nice. |
| 01:21.19 | jacques | well, that was fun. crashed my workstation |
| 01:21.27 | rwhitby | Jack87: you'll have to ask the WHE, I'm just the PM |
| 01:21.45 | lingfish | I'm vexed that the charger itself lets you change plugs... right now I have to run with a stupid euro changer adaptor |
| 01:21.49 | Abyssul | lol rod's accent... |
| 01:21.53 | lingfish | So I'll be buying the "traveller kit" |
| 01:22.09 | rwhitby | lingfish: the Palm traveller kit includes *two* aussie adapters |
| 01:22.32 | rwhitby | (Palm did that at my request) |
| 01:22.49 | Robi_ | wow my keypad stopped working, can't type anything |
| 01:22.50 | lingfish | rwhitby: very nice! So it has two of everything? |
| 01:23.06 | rwhitby | lingfish: nope, just two australian adapters |
| 01:23.17 | rwhitby | one US, one UK, one EU |
| 01:23.18 | lingfish | lol... man you must have a good dialog with them |
| 01:23.35 | rwhitby | lingfish: they did that after Rubinstein started using Preware |
| 01:23.39 | lingfish | rwhitby: tell those idiots to talk to ME about the three largish bugs I've found and that nobody has responded to |
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| 01:23.41 | Abyssul | Lol |
| 01:23.47 | freakout | rwhitby: lol. been meaning to get one of those kits myself |
| 01:23.50 | Abyssul | I wonder what phone Rubinstein uses |
| 01:23.51 | freakout | that's handy |
| 01:23.56 | zsoc | rwhitby: aussie adapters are the ones with the two IEC prongs at 45 degree angles? |
| 01:24.04 | rwhitby | zsoc: yep |
| 01:24.05 | lingfish | zsoc: yep.. like "asian eyes" |
| 01:24.15 | zsoc | lingfish: i'm asian |
| 01:24.17 | freakout | lingfish: racist! |
| 01:24.21 | lingfish | hahahahaa |
| 01:24.24 | zsoc | xD |
| 01:24.25 | lingfish | A smiling one! |
| 01:24.42 | lingfish | rwhitby: did you just order yours from Precentral? |
| 01:24.43 | freakout | apologies to all asians in the chan for both zsoc and lingfish |
| 01:25.01 | lingfish | What, I can't even say the word "asian" anymore :P |
| 01:25.14 | rwhitby | lingfish: yep. got a dodgy one two (the one I did surgery on) and they sent out a replacement free of charge. |
| 01:25.23 | rwhitby | one too even |
| 01:25.28 | lingfish | rwhitby: cool. |
| 01:25.32 | lingfish | shipping is the killer :( |
| 01:25.45 | rwhitby | lingfish: I Cc'd dieter on the support request ;-) |
| 01:26.03 | lingfish | hahaha |
| 01:26.18 | zsoc | who the heck uses scons? |
| 01:26.34 | rwhitby | scons is good |
| 01:26.40 | rwhitby | we use it at work |
| 01:26.49 | tmzt | it's pretty cool |
| 01:26.50 | rwhitby | good for cross-platform building |
| 01:26.55 | zsoc | clearly knows nothing |
| 01:26.59 | tmzt | if everything used it cross platform would be easy |
| 01:27.03 | tmzt | but only on linux :) |
| 01:27.15 | rwhitby | I should use it in preware/cross-compile.git, just to make cross-compilation even harder ;-) |
| 01:27.22 | zsoc | Does anyone else find apts verbage "selecting previously deselected package" very awkward? |
| 01:27.34 | rwhitby | tmzt: we use it on windows too |
| 01:28.01 | destinal | zsoc: apparently, fceux does :) |
| 01:28.12 | tmzt | I mean it's not as versatile as autotools on other platforms |
| 01:28.25 | rwhitby | destinal: ok, now how should preware/cross-compile.git be laid out |
| 01:28.27 | tmzt | but autotools has largely been replaced by pkg-config anyway |
| 01:28.38 | lingfish | tmzt: and that's a good thing ;) |
| 01:28.40 | tmzt | and languages like vala that can deal with .pc names automatically |
| 01:28.54 | tmzt | I mean the detection parts of autotools |
| 01:29.10 | rwhitby | destinal: obviously separate trees for armv6, arvm7, i686 target libs and binaries |
| 01:29.19 | zsoc | i like pkg-config |
| 01:29.26 | rwhitby | destinal: I guess includes go along with those too |
| 01:29.39 | destinal | rwhitby: hmm, aren't headers typically common? |
| 01:30.17 | rwhitby | destinal: but for toolchains, do we require linux, or do we put an extra level there too so we can have a Darwin-compiled cs07q3armel toolchain too ... |
| 01:30.59 | rwhitby | destinal: armel headers might be different from i686 headers - one tree is from CS, other is from crosstool-ng |
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| 01:31.49 | destinal | rwhitby: I'm comfortable requiring linux, personally |
| 01:31.51 | zsoc | dtzWill: you catch my keysym comment? |
| 01:32.02 | Robi_ | just received my SSD drive from NewEgg and it's 120G. I ordered a 30G. |
| 01:32.04 | rwhitby | destinal: I wouldn't mind personally being able to build on darwin |
| 01:32.35 | zsoc | crap, does webos have zenity? |
| 01:32.46 | destinal | rwhitby: but you're targeting linux, and you may need linux headers |
| 01:32.55 | zsoc | Robi_: did they charge you the same amount? |
| 01:33.09 | destinal | I mean it could work, but will add complexity, if you're comfortable with that, cool |
| 01:33.10 | Robi_ | yep |
| 01:33.19 | Robi_ | weird thing is.. the packaging doesn't say apart from the sticker what it is |
| 01:33.24 | Robi_ | it has 2 bar codes one is for a 30g and the smaller one is for 120g |
| 01:33.30 | zsoc | ha |
| 01:34.35 | Robi_ | just looked inside to make sure! ;] |
| 01:34.43 | destinal | zsoc: apt-get install'ing zenity wants 90 megs of other stuff |
| 01:34.55 | zsoc | destinal: mostly unnecessary :P |
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| 01:35.15 | Robi_ | so wtf isn't my pre keyboard working at all |
| 01:35.41 | jacques | headers are not common if you are talking about kernel or libc |
| 01:36.03 | rwhitby | zsoc: oil is working on the front-end for a zenity port to webOS |
| 01:36.23 | zsoc | rwhitby: ah ok |
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| 01:37.02 | lingfish | rwhitby: did you take those pics with your Pre? |
| 01:37.03 | rwhitby | destinal: the triplet for the toolchain directory will probably allow for it anyway |
| 01:37.10 | rwhitby | lingfish: nope, camera |
| 01:37.20 | lingfish | rwhitby: yeah, thought so. No AF is quite annoying. |
| 01:37.34 | rwhitby | dunno if the pre can do 1cm macro |
| 01:37.59 | zsoc | it definitely cant |
| 01:38.07 | rwhitby | destinal, jacques: so I'm figuring we go with 2007q3armel |
| 01:38.21 | rwhitby | (since we know that's what Palm uses for the rootfs) |
| 01:38.45 | zsoc | what glib/libc versions? |
| 01:39.40 | lingfish | zsoc: yep, agreed. My 5D Mk II can though, brilliantly of course ;) |
| 01:40.02 | destinal | rwhitby: cool |
| 01:40.37 | rwhitby | zsoc: same as what Palm uses |
| 01:41.04 | zsoc | rwhitby: ok then, that's my vote :P (if i got one?) |
| 01:42.57 | oil | makes another "elite webos hacker extraordinaire " joke |
| 01:42.57 | jacques | rwhitby: I say we use same exact toolchain as Palm until we have a compelling reason not to |
| 01:43.22 | jacques | rwhitby: however... it would be nice to be able to easily test other toolchains |
| 01:43.42 | jacques | but 2007q3 by default is my vote |
| 01:43.55 | zsoc | the only compelling reason i can think of is some things seem not to like compiling against a libc older than me |
| 01:44.23 | jacques | so, apparently webos has kernel support for NFS but not userspace... |
| 01:44.51 | jacques | anyone already mounted an NFS filesystem on the Pre and can tell me what I need to install? (would just save me time) |
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| 01:45.00 | rwhitby | jacques: yeah, ability to have different toolchains is a must, if only for the case where Palm updates their toolchain for a future version |
| 01:45.40 | jacques | my current error is: "RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server" so I assume I need portmap ? |
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| 01:46.48 | jacques | rwhitby: I want to do some performance testing, and simple multiple toolchain support would save a lot of time |
| 01:47.08 | cashen007 | wIRC is nice. very easy to use |
| 01:47.09 | dtzWill | zsoc: back, change tilde for console? yeah i'll do taht |
| 01:48.31 | jacques | hmm, nfs-utils is not in webos optware |
| 01:48.31 | rick_home | rwhitby evening. |
| 01:49.05 | rwhitby | rick_home: g'day |
| 01:49.42 | atlanta | ok time to go interact with my social life |
| 01:49.43 | atlanta | bbl |
| 01:50.47 | rwhitby | jacques: git.webos-internals.org/preware/cross-compile.git |
| 01:51.02 | rwhitby | jacques: I'll be updating that regularly as I flesh this out |
| 01:52.33 | jacques | rwhitby: cool. I'll be checking it out regularly |
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| 01:53.20 | Jack87 | what is extream |
| 01:53.31 | Jack87 | xtream |
| 01:55.32 | jacques | ooooooh, all I had to do was mount -o nolock ... |
| 01:55.45 | jacques | tho that might not be ideal... |
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| 02:00.42 | en0x | hmm |
| 02:00.57 | en0x | i wonder if i should doctor my pre for shits and giggles |
| 02:01.02 | en0x | nothing wrong with it |
| 02:03.34 | zsoc | en0x: meta doctor :D |
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| 02:03.46 | en0x | why metadoctor? |
| 02:05.25 | rwhitby | cause it's 'meta' |
| 02:05.40 | nfoxTc | i like this phone a ,ittle more every day\n |
| 02:05.46 | en0x | lol i find no use for it now |
| 02:05.55 | rick_home | so do a lot of the rest of us nfoxTc |
| 02:06.02 | en0x | since the apps r on media |
| 02:06.13 | nfoxTc | just seen the quake demo heh\n |
| 02:07.01 | en0x | it drops frames |
| 02:07.05 | en0x | in few scenes |
| 02:07.07 | en0x | hmm |
| 02:07.11 | rick_home | it's a demo |
| 02:07.17 | en0x | who cares |
| 02:07.17 | en0x | :p |
| 02:07.35 | rick_home | en0x the source is posted. Go fix it. :-) |
| 02:07.52 | zsoc | Hm, is there anyway to 'get back into' a shell once it's lost? it's still there busy as a bee, i'm just not in it |
| 02:07.53 | en0x | hehe |
| 02:08.02 | nfoxTc | thats running on the cpu only right\n |
| 02:08.34 | en0x | zsoc, so u stopped working on precorder now? |
| 02:08.42 | nfoxTc | thats why its slow enox\n |
| 02:08.55 | zsoc | en0x: the new flawlessly awesome version is done, but it's useless until the audioencoder gets fixed |
| 02:09.00 | zsoc | en0x: waiting on palm. it's dsp stuff |
| 02:09.13 | tmzt | zsoc: what's it doing? you can try stealing the pty but it's not likely to work |
| 02:09.19 | tmzt | also, in future use screen :) |
| 02:09.21 | zsoc | tmzt: compiling something :P |
| 02:09.30 | en0x | zsoc, and when they said that they will fix it? |
| 02:09.41 | rick_home | en0x they never say nuthin |
| 02:09.42 | en0x | it took them 5 updates to fix aac+ issues |
| 02:09.42 | en0x | :P |
| 02:09.48 | rick_home | . |
| 02:09.48 | zsoc | en0x: they didn't. but they have to fix it to get their video recorder working. they probably already have the fix actually |
| 02:10.06 | en0x | got viewfinder working? :P |
| 02:10.19 | Jack87 | why does everyone call it viewfinder |
| 02:10.29 | zsoc | en0x: no, but if the audio encoder worked i would. just a hop skip and a jump now with sdl surfaces |
| 02:10.30 | Jack87 | its live view the phone doesnt have a viewfinder |
| 02:10.32 | ird | Isn't viewfinder the disney toy? |
| 02:10.32 | en0x | i call it as others do |
| 02:10.33 | tmzt | overlay |
| 02:10.33 | en0x | :P |
| 02:10.34 | Jack87 | and never will |
| 02:10.42 | nfoxTc | lol\n |
| 02:10.52 | tmzt | ird: I think it's Milton Bradley actually |
| 02:10.59 | en0x | hehe |
| 02:11.11 | Jack87 | well en0x its live view ;) |
| 02:11.21 | en0x | Jack87, r u that spmmer from precentral forum? |
| 02:11.25 | ird | btw |
| 02:11.25 | ird | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viewfinder |
| 02:11.30 | zsoc | en0x: yes that's him lol |
| 02:11.34 | en0x | lol |
| 02:11.35 | zsoc | en0x: he's a spammer in here too ;) |
| 02:11.39 | en0x | gee |
| 02:11.44 | en0x | go play in different sandbox |
| 02:11.45 | en0x | :D |
| 02:11.46 | cashen007 | I do. I just drilled a hole in my phone to get my "viewfinder" to work |
| 02:12.03 | ird | cashen: best fix I've heard yet. |
| 02:12.11 | ird | But I don't think there is a patch for that. |
| 02:12.17 | cashen007 | ird: : spanks |
| 02:12.18 | nfoxTc | palm must love you guys zsoc |
| 02:12.30 | ird | cashen007: no thanks |
| 02:12.38 | en0x | hmm i havent tweeted anything in 2 days |
| 02:12.39 | en0x | lol |
| 02:12.43 | cashen007 | ha, thankk |
| 02:12.46 | ird | I haven't tweeted in.. months. |
| 02:12.50 | en0x | lol :P |
| 02:12.55 | Jack87 | hum.... but i dont spam... i nag |
| 02:13.03 | ird | The last time I tweeted I was drunk in a bar. |
| 02:13.04 | en0x | its snowing here... i havent moved from my house for last 2 days |
| 02:13.17 | ird | It's odd that I remember that. |
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| 02:13.43 | en0x | when i was starting tweeting |
| 02:13.54 | cashen007 | it's like 5 degrees here |
| 02:14.05 | en0x | i was twitting something like"i'm taking a crap now... i should be done in 5 " |
| 02:14.09 | en0x | :P |
| 02:14.24 | en0x | hehehehe |
| 02:14.32 | ird_zzz | is there no way to link a nick on this network? |
| 02:14.39 | en0x | the slogan is tell us what u r doing... |
| 02:14.40 | lingfish | So, opinions sought. I'm noticing some random and annoying rendering issues with a website from my Pre. A large news site. I need help troubleshooting it... who can help me? |
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| 02:14.50 | en0x | lingfish, what site? |
| 02:14.57 | en0x | free6.com? :> |
| 02:14.59 | ird_zzz | oh wait |
| 02:15.01 | ird_zzz | I'm stupid |
| 02:15.03 | lingfish | en0x: theage.com.au, one of our biggest news sites |
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| 02:15.09 | zsoc | nfoxTc: why? |
| 02:15.14 | Jack87 | costco.com and samsclub.com wont render right either |
| 02:15.14 | en0x | oh u australian u |
| 02:15.15 | en0x | :P |
| 02:15.26 | lingfish | en0x: I find that some days it just renders crap -- it goes to a tiny full width view |
| 02:15.28 | tmzt | they work on iPHone? |
| 02:15.34 | cashen007 | I notice some odd lines after 135 |
| 02:15.36 | lingfish | and I don't know why, or how to troubleshoot it, hence who to blame? |
| 02:15.39 | tmzt | ird: huh? freenode.net has instructions |
| 02:15.43 | ird | yes |
| 02:15.46 | ird | I found that. |
| 02:15.54 | ird | I just wasn't looking for "group" |
| 02:16.03 | tmzt | ah right |
| 02:16.08 | en0x | Jack87, costco doenst work for me at all |
| 02:16.09 | nfoxTc | well you guys are helping sell the pre |
| 02:16.24 | lingfish | en0x: mobile.theage.com.au |
| 02:16.32 | Jack87 | en0x: when i first got the pre it was only white now sometimes some of the page shows up |
| 02:16.44 | ird_zzZ | alright |
| 02:16.50 | en0x | its white on mine |
| 02:16.54 | lingfish | en0x: Can you try? See how they have that blue bar across? I suspect they're forcing a width attribute? |
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| 02:17.02 | lingfish | en0x: never fails on the iCrap |
| 02:17.21 | lingfish | All: well it renders.. its just a width issue... |
| 02:17.22 | en0x | the mobile version? |
| 02:17.32 | lingfish | yep |
| 02:17.32 | en0x | oh |
| 02:17.37 | en0x | yap it looks like crap |
| 02:17.46 | en0x | desktop version looks much better |
| 02:17.46 | en0x | ) |
| 02:17.54 | lingfish | en0x: right.. and its random. One day (today) works excellent, the next no |
| 02:18.02 | lingfish | and I just don't have the 2.0 skills to work out why :( |
| 02:18.11 | Jack87 | lingfish: looks fine |
| 02:18.12 | en0x | maybe its not loading the css in full? |
| 02:18.44 | lingfish | Jack87: hrm, try a reload and cache flush? |
| 02:19.04 | lingfish | en0x: perhaps... but again, how to troubleshoot that? Is there logging for the web app, blah blah... |
| 02:19.20 | lingfish | en0x: the css looks cachable enough from headers and cachability |
| 02:19.43 | Jack87 | agan fine |
| 02:19.43 | lingfish | And it's leaning towards a bug in the browser... but wanna be sure |
| 02:19.56 | en0x | maybe its a bug who whows |
| 02:20.01 | en0x | knows* |
| 02:20.03 | lingfish | Jack87: weird. Try again tomorrow or something... some days good, some bad... flushing caches usually doesn't fix it |
| 02:20.11 | en0x | when u dont have any tools to debug it |
| 02:20.29 | lingfish | I just want to hookup with someone who can help t-shoot it once and for all |
| 02:20.34 | en0x | maybe the browser in webos uses some magic palm proxy servers |
| 02:20.35 | en0x | :P |
| 02:20.48 | Jack87 | lingfish: ya. i flushed cashe and it worked. i am on wifi at the momment |
| 02:20.52 | lingfish | nah... done all that.. sniffed packets and whatnot |
| 02:21.16 | en0x | i dont use wifi on my pre anymore |
| 02:21.22 | en0x | evdo is fast enough for me |
| 02:21.23 | en0x | :P |
| 02:21.27 | lingfish | I usually use Firebug, but that's not helping me |
| 02:21.40 | Jack87 | on wifi for ssh |
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| 02:21.58 | lingfish | So, no thoguhts on who to talk to? Or where? precentral forums ? |
| 02:22.08 | en0x | lingfish, try there first |
| 02:22.30 | en0x | Jack87, well when i'm sshing i use wifi too but when i dont have to ssh i just use evdo |
| 02:22.41 | en0x | i havent sshed to my pre since 1.3.5 update |
| 02:22.52 | lingfish | hmm. |
| 02:23.25 | cashen007 | I need a tablet with webos |
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| 02:24.14 | en0x | tablet wont happen anytime soon |
| 02:24.28 | en0x | not until palm will create vk |
| 02:24.52 | oil | palm shouldnt make a tablet |
| 02:24.56 | oil | they should focus on phones |
| 02:25.03 | rwhitby | jacques: updated |
| 02:25.33 | en0x | they should create a pedobear |
| 02:25.33 | en0x | :D |
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| 02:26.16 | en0x | so everyone is now gettin better battery life since the update? |
| 02:26.28 | lingfish | en0x: not I... damned O2 :P |
| 02:26.31 | zsoc | en0x: i am at work where i have a bad signal |
| 02:26.52 | en0x | zsoc, when i'm working i have bad signal too no bars at all |
| 02:26.58 | en0x | only verizon have coverage |
| 02:27.04 | zsoc | en0x: roaming ftw |
| 02:27.23 | en0x | yap' |
| 02:27.42 | lingfish | Don't you guys get slugged hard with roaming? |
| 02:27.53 | nfoxTc | its funny how my pre inspired me to move to linux on my pc |
| 02:28.24 | lingfish | Here in .au roaming is NOT a good thing for the wallet |
| 02:28.28 | jacques | rwhitby: got it |
| 02:28.29 | BoBoYsDaDDa | i did the same on my laptop. now if i could just make sense of the thing |
| 02:28.35 | en0x | well i'm happy that linux days are over for me nfoxTc |
| 02:28.45 | nfoxTc | what distro boboysdadda? |
| 02:28.48 | Jack87 | lingfish: roaming is free on sprint and other networks now before it didnt use to be |
| 02:28.48 | nfoxTc | whys that en0x |
| 02:28.49 | sparklo | did anyone try to tether your pre through bluetooth? not mywifi |
| 02:29.08 | lingfish | Jack87: wow.. lucky. |
| 02:29.21 | en0x | nfoxTc, no life... u only do... compile/configure/compile/configure// and for days try to figure out why something is not working :P |
| 02:29.39 | rwhitby | jacques: based on that, how do you think the rest should be laid out? |
| 02:29.44 | lingfish | Can someone explain data roaming, in a GSM context? |
| 02:29.53 | dtzWill | zsoc, Jack87: changing the headers don't cahnge the values reported by libSDL |
| 02:30.00 | jacques | rwhitby: looking... |
| 02:30.02 | rwhitby | jacques: we just need a staging/include dir, right? |
| 02:30.04 | en0x | lingfish, it will use different service provider for data |
| 02:30.04 | nfoxTc | not at all en0x |
| 02:30.13 | en0x | nfoxTc, not with ubuntu |
| 02:30.13 | nfoxTc | what distro did you use? |
| 02:30.15 | zsoc | dtzWill: sure it does |
| 02:30.17 | en0x | but ubuntu sux! |
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| 02:30.22 | nfoxTc | yeah im using ubuntu |
| 02:30.23 | zsoc | dtzWill: quake uses those values on compile |
| 02:30.26 | en0x | i used linux for too long man |
| 02:30.26 | jacques | rwhitby: we definitely need that |
| 02:30.29 | nfoxTc | nah its much much better then windows |
| 02:30.31 | djk | trying to use webosdoctor but it doesn't see the pre connected even though Novacom is running and the USB shows it there. Any ideas? |
| 02:30.33 | en0x | ~10 yrs |
| 02:30.37 | en0x | and i still use it at work |
| 02:30.38 | lingfish | en0x: but if I manually search for a network (in pref above), and it doesnt find any others... no dice right? |
| 02:30.40 | nfoxTc | i vbox windows when i NEED it |
| 02:30.48 | zsoc | lingfish: roaming is free on sprint plans here |
| 02:30.49 | en0x | lingfish, afaik no |
| 02:30.52 | rwhitby | jacques: maybe staging/armv7/{include,lib,bin} and symlink over to rootfs? |
| 02:30.55 | dtzWill | i'll look more but it doesn't actually have a big table of symbol to ascii values, it probably just does some transformation |
| 02:30.57 | en0x | zsoc, we not talking about sprint |
| 02:31.04 | zsoc | en0x: your mom is i thought |
| 02:31.05 | lingfish | en0x: does it tell you if it has data roamed? |
| 02:31.17 | en0x | zsoc, she talks about a lot of stuff ;D |
| 02:31.21 | Jack87 | dtzWill: zsoc did it with doom :-/ |
| 02:31.26 | en0x | lingfish, nope |
| 02:31.39 | lingfish | en0x: ta. |
| 02:31.45 | en0x | lingfish, on sprint in roams only in 1x which is similar to edge |
| 02:31.47 | jacques | rwhitby: what's the rootfs (dir) for? |
| 02:31.56 | lingfish | I still can't even MMS :( |
| 02:32.02 | rwhitby | jacques: unpacked doctor rootfs, for getting libs from |
| 02:32.03 | lingfish | I can't send.. but I can receive |
| 02:32.04 | en0x | lingfish, why so :( |
| 02:32.09 | en0x | cant change settings/ |
| 02:32.11 | en0x | ? |
| 02:32.13 | jacques | rwhitby: ah, then yeah |
| 02:32.20 | lingfish | en0x: dunno... haven't worked it out. Settings look fine, either manually set or auto |
| 02:32.21 | Robi_ | has anyone heard of ones keyboard stopped working? |
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| 02:32.25 | nfoxTc | whats wrong with ubuntu en0x? |
| 02:32.33 | rwhitby | jacques: ln -s /wherever-your-webos-doctor-archive-is ./doctors |
| 02:32.38 | lingfish | en0x: I've tried hassling Voda as I'm pretty convinced its their fault... I'm getting BILLED for them... |
| 02:32.49 | en0x | suckers |
| 02:32.55 | en0x | i had something like that on my SE |
| 02:32.56 | lingfish | en0x: I put another carriers SIM in and it worked fine... |
| 02:33.02 | rwhitby | jacques: stuff in downloads will be distributed by the autobuilder, stuff in doctors will not |
| 02:33.24 | lingfish | Any Aussies alive here using Voda and MMS successfully? |
| 02:33.34 | rwhitby | has never sent an MMS |
| 02:33.45 | lingfish | rwhitby: but you're not Voda either |
| 02:33.54 | rwhitby | lingfish: yeah, I'm vf |
| 02:33.59 | cashen007 | I love sprint |
| 02:34.07 | lingfish | rwhitby: well shit... can we test please? :) |
| 02:34.10 | en0x | nfoxTc, do u know what ubuntu means? |
| 02:34.25 | en0x | lingfish, well then it looks like provider issue |
| 02:34.27 | nfoxTc | its something african I cant remember what though |
| 02:34.29 | rwhitby | lingfish: talk me through it |
| 02:34.39 | tmzt | en0x: evdo doesn't roam? |
| 02:34.43 | lingfish | rwhitby: literally just create a new msg, attach a pic. |
| 02:34.44 | lingfish | send... |
| 02:34.47 | en0x | tmzt, never for me |
| 02:34.50 | en0x | only 1x |
| 02:34.53 | tmzt | try updating prl |
| 02:34.53 | dtzWill | zsoc: i just ended up hardcording q->backquote |
| 02:34.59 | en0x | tmzt, did that |
| 02:35.10 | en0x | i'm on ..78 |
| 02:35.13 | en0x | or somethiing like that |
| 02:35.14 | Jack87 | dtzWill: so that worked? |
| 02:35.26 | en0x | nfoxTc, ubuntu means I Can't Install Debian |
| 02:35.27 | zsoc | dtzWill: if it works :) |
| 02:35.27 | en0x | hahaha |
| 02:35.29 | en0x | hides |
| 02:35.48 | nfoxTc | lol, well ubuntu is my first linux distro so im new |
| 02:35.54 | tmzt | en0x: it means I don't like the debian-desktop package and it's impossible to configure |
| 02:35.59 | nfoxTc | so far im never going back to windows |
| 02:36.10 | en0x | tmzt, hehehe :P |
| 02:36.18 | tmzt | and get the same experience each time |
| 02:36.25 | en0x | yeah right |
| 02:36.26 | dtzWill | zsoc: hehe if the config reading can't work i might have to hardcore it all o_O |
| 02:36.29 | dtzWill | lo |
| 02:36.32 | dtzWill | l |
| 02:36.33 | en0x | i'm running debian on 2 desktops at work |
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| 02:36.36 | en0x | with no issues |
| 02:36.36 | en0x | :P |
| 02:36.37 | dtzWill | although don't see why config reading wouldn't work.... |
| 02:36.40 | tmzt | oh, and the runtime liking of drivers really simpified things with atheros |
| 02:36.50 | tmzt | en0x: hah, it must have changed |
| 02:37.02 | en0x | well i'm using the experimental branch |
| 02:37.05 | en0x | but still |
| 02:37.05 | en0x | :) |
| 02:37.07 | en0x | its debian |
| 02:37.08 | en0x | :P |
| 02:37.19 | tmzt | I switched to ubuntu at warty release |
| 02:37.25 | tmzt | but I really do like debian |
| 02:37.26 | en0x | before that i used to use gentoo for 5 yrs |
| 02:37.34 | tmzt | I also have used that on mobile devices |
| 02:37.37 | nfoxTc | whats debian like? |
| 02:38.18 | tmzt | ubuntu without the gui installer |
| 02:38.18 | nfoxTc | i tried slackware before ubuntu...oh god was that scary |
| 02:38.18 | en0x | nfoxTc, like ubuntu but not that fancy |
| 02:38.18 | en0x | :P |
| 02:38.18 | en0x | slackware is nice |
| 02:38.19 | en0x | :) |
| 02:38.19 | en0x | looking for challenge? |
| 02:38.19 | en0x | install openbsd |
| 02:38.19 | en0x | ;) |
| 02:38.19 | nfoxTc | i couldnt get my pre tethered so i gave up on slack ha |
| 02:38.24 | nfoxTc | ill vm it one day |
| 02:38.27 | tmzt | couldn't set up a route? |
| 02:38.44 | tmzt | doesn't it use redhat like configuration? |
| 02:38.45 | en0x | tmzt, probably no graphical configurator |
| 02:38.45 | en0x | :p |
| 02:38.49 | nfoxTc | couldnt even get it to reconize the phone...I prolly just needed novacom drivers |
| 02:38.55 | tmzt | no |
| 02:38.58 | tmzt | just udev working |
| 02:39.04 | en0x | tmzt, slackware? is uses *BSD init |
| 02:39.07 | lingfish | Jack87: blam... mobile.theage isn't rendering right, just tried again now |
| 02:39.23 | en0x | the rest is linux like |
| 02:39.53 | dtzWill | nfoxTc: slackware 'just worked' with tethering for me fwiw |
| 02:40.05 | nfoxTc | when it comes to speed is slackware that much faster then ubuntu? |
| 02:40.28 | zsoc | What a ridiculous error. |
| 02:40.47 | zsoc | "So something's not working.. it's either this thing, or this other entirely unrelated thing." |
| 02:41.02 | tmzt | yes |
| 02:41.02 | en0x | lol |
| 02:41.12 | rwhitby | operating systems are just tools. use whichever one is needed at the time for the task at hand. |
| 02:41.16 | tmzt | zsoc: whay error? |
| 02:41.29 | dtzWill | nfoxTc: listen to rwhitby :) |
| 02:41.39 | nfoxTc | yeah, ubuntu suits me pretty well right now |
| 02:41.42 | zsoc | tmzt: nothing related to anything i've been talking about in here, just using this as a whiteboard for my frustration :) |
| 02:42.37 | destinal | rwhitby: ok, I NEED to get a cross compiler working with autoconf.... ScummVM is taking an incredibly long time to compile on the pre |
| 02:42.59 | Jack87 | it works!!! |
| 02:43.13 | Jack87 | binding keys via console works |
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| 02:43.23 | destinal | Jack87: awesome |
| 02:43.33 | nfoxTc | in doom? |
| 02:43.47 | jacques | destinal: is it C++ ? |
| 02:43.47 | Jack87 | quak |
| 02:43.54 | destinal | jacques: yes |
| 02:43.59 | jacques | ugh. |
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| 02:44.10 | Jack87 | shit but i cant get it to stick after restarting the game |
| 02:44.13 | jacques | distcc FTW :-D |
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| 02:45.28 | destinal | I suspect even when I'm done sound isn't going to work because I didn't have alsa set up .. think this is an overnight compile as-is. |
| 02:46.08 | destinal | Just wanted to see if it would work, didn't count on how long it would take to build |
| 02:46.18 | tmzt | why would it rebuild everything? |
| 02:46.56 | destinal | tmzt: it wouldn't need to rebuild everything, I just have no idea how long it'll take to finish the current build. building again with alsa should be pretty fast after |
| 02:47.09 | jacques | destinal: is it paging like crazy? |
| 02:47.41 | jacques | destinal: try stopping LunaSysMgr that should free up a lot of RAM |
| 02:47.46 | destinal | jacques: not really, mostly CPU-bound |
| 02:47.58 | jacques | I'm surprised. |
| 02:49.29 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:49.59 | jacques | distcc is in webos optware :-) |
| 02:50.31 | destinal | jacques: good idea, that |
| 02:50.53 | rwhitby | jacques: I'm going to make a packages directory, with subdirs for each package to be staged, and Makefiles for each which do what is required to put the right stuff in staging/${ARCH} |
| 02:51.49 | bpadalino | well, i can't get anything to show up on the screen, but i get some decent output from my modified testgl file: http://pastie.textmate.org/private/hydiqaxnhol8v5nfymmxw |
| 02:51.55 | destinal | jacques: how does one set up a cross compiler to build something from autoconf, anyway? is it just a matter of changing which CC you point at and library patch etc? |
| 02:52.21 | sparklo | is there any command to shutdown pre from terminal? i tried shutdown -now, but it does not work |
| 02:52.26 | jacques | rwhitby: sounds good. |
| 02:52.30 | rwhitby | destinal: usually command line args to configure |
| 02:52.56 | zsoc | Can someone confirm webos-libsdl's ability to render SDL_HWSURFACE? |
| 02:53.05 | zsoc | I'm starting to doubt the gpu's involvement here. |
| 02:53.52 | jacques | destinal: sometimes the config.cache needs to be primed. |
| 02:54.23 | jacques | but what rwhitby said about cmdline args does the same thing so nm :-) |
| 02:54.42 | jacques | you just need to know what the values should be, which can be tricky |
| 02:54.50 | rwhitby | destinal: see the optware setup for a good example of what to give to configure |
| 02:55.01 | jacques | ideally the configure script is run on the native env |
| 02:55.10 | bpadalino | zsoc: from the palm patch ... |
| 02:55.15 | bpadalino | +#if defined PALM |
| 02:55.15 | bpadalino | +if (flags & (SDL_HWSURFACE | SDL_DOUBLEBUF)) { |
| 02:55.15 | bpadalino | + SDL_SetError( "SDL_HWSURFACE and/or SDL_DOUBLEBUF not supported\n"); |
| 02:55.15 | bpadalino | + return(NULL); |
| 02:55.17 | bpadalino | +} |
| 02:55.29 | zsoc | bpadalino: keep looking tho, that's a very small portion |
| 02:55.29 | jacques | oh, maybe rwhitby was talking about paths and such, I am talking about other values |
| 02:55.29 | rwhitby | jacques: I reckon I'll name the packages as per the OE packages in the Palm rootfs ipkg database |
| 02:55.35 | zsoc | bpadalino: that seems to be used for... something |
| 02:56.07 | jacques | rwhitby: that should avoid some potential confusion :-) |
| 02:56.07 | rwhitby | jacques: then maybe one day this will transition into OE itself |
| 02:56.13 | bpadalino | world 71 seems to be just hitting the gesture area .. world 69 is a forward gesture .. and escape is a backward gesture, btw |
| 02:56.33 | zsoc | bpadalino: look at line 13333 of the patch |
| 02:56.42 | rwhitby | jacques: I might even be able to use the .list files to stage the appropriate libs automatically ;-) |
| 02:57.13 | jacques | destinal: the bad configure scripts want to compile a test app and run it to get a result. those don't work too well by default when cross-compiling |
| 02:57.17 | bpadalino | interesting |
| 02:57.41 | rwhitby | jacques: yeah, for those we usually patch out the config script with the desired outcome |
| 02:58.40 | jacques | that's probably better since config.cache isn't universally supported |
| 02:58.51 | jacques | at least it didn't used to be |
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| 03:00.52 | jacques | rwhitby: good thinking. :-) (possible OE transition) |
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| 03:02.38 | dtzWill | well got portrait mode for sdlquake, but looks a little stretched hehe |
| 03:03.18 | jacques | bpadalino: are the app focus changes in your paste because it's fighting with luna ? |
| 03:04.04 | dtzWill | can someone help me using git? :/ |
| 03:04.05 | bpadalino | no, no fighting .. |
| 03:04.10 | bpadalino | i was flicking it up and clicking it back in |
| 03:04.12 | dtzWill | i'm ashamed to say i can't commit my changes |
| 03:04.56 | jacques | bpadalino: ah cool. mdklein (I think) had said he had flickering dueo to the two apps fighting for the fb |
| 03:05.10 | zsoc | dtzWill: did you 'add' the files with changes? |
| 03:05.53 | dtzWill | yeah, it's the push part |
| 03:05.59 | dtzWill | says cannot access the url |
| 03:06.10 | bpadalino | jacques: i think it's because he was trying to go through the back door (just openGLES) and i am trying to go through SDL and Luna .. |
| 03:06.11 | dtzWill | does it not know how to access the ssh keys automatically? |
| 03:06.40 | jacques | bpadalino: oh, testgles is a sdl app? mdklein was doing opengles test apps (no sdl) |
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| 03:06.53 | bpadalino | right .. testgl is the SDL app .. |
| 03:06.57 | bpadalino | i am modifying it for testgles |
| 03:07.16 | jacques | bpadalino: heh you replied while I was typing and I didn't look up before hitting "enter" |
| 03:08.06 | Abyssul | waiting for gameboy emu |
| 03:08.18 | jacques | so are these "SDL_GL_RED_SIZE: requested 5, got 0 |
| 03:08.39 | jacques | sigh, why does when I copy from the browser it adds a return on the end that's so annoying |
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| 03:12.58 | rwhitby | dtzWill: git@git.webos-internals.org:games/sdlquake.git ? |
| 03:13.51 | dtzWill | git@ ? not git:// or https:// ? |
| 03:14.06 | dtzWill | sorry i haven't used git; wasn't sure the url format... i'll try that |
| 03:14.20 | zsoc | dtzWill: i believe that's the "commit access" uri |
| 03:14.39 | Jack87 | zsoc: si console is orange+i (%)..... console binding of keys works but does not stick. cant run autoexec.cfg so thats not working either |
| 03:14.47 | bpadalino | jacques: something about requesting an attribute change and not getting it ? |
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| 03:15.41 | dtzWill | http://wdtz.org/files/sdlquake -- smaller resolution, runs much better. also the console change jack was saying |
| 03:15.47 | dtzWill | zsoc: gotcha |
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| 03:17.06 | jacques | bpadalino: do you think those messages are cosmetic or real problems? |
| 03:17.12 | bpadalino | cosmetic |
| 03:17.42 | jacques | :-) |
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| 03:19.23 | jacques | rwhitby: there is a pre rootfs in the doctor? I could unpack it, nfs mount it on the pre and chroot into it? |
| 03:20.10 | thebitguru | did 1.3.5 change the location of system services? |
| 03:20.34 | dtzWill | rwhitby: the url works better, but getting 'access denied', even when i explicitly use ssh-agent, not really sure what's wrong :( |
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| 03:23.01 | dtzWill | woo works sorry ty everyone |
| 03:24.25 | jacques | dtzWill: what did you change? |
| 03:24.30 | jacques | to make it work? |
| 03:25.11 | dtzWill | jacques: i'm a dumbass and thuoght i was ssh'd to another machine and i wasn't. reading hostname ftl |
| 03:25.39 | antianalog | just noticed the tut for tethering and it works, hell yes |
| 03:30.03 | dtzWill | zsoc: i just pushed rotate 180 code |
| 03:30.10 | dtzWill | for sdldoom |
| 03:30.16 | dtzWill | let me know if you have an issues |
| 03:30.19 | dtzWill | s/an/any |
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| 03:31.30 | rwhitby | jacques: the cross-compile.git Makefile unpacks the rootfs from the doctor |
| 03:31.32 | zsoc | dtzWill: i'll check in a few mins, thank you |
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| 03:34.33 | rwhitby | dtzWill: do you know how to tag a new version, then release? |
| 03:34.59 | andtew | when I try to enable add/delete launcher pages it fails! |
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| 03:37.20 | dtzWill | rwhitby: you told me the other day; i think i could do that. tag it with git, push the tag and change the version in the makefile that grabs it and push that too |
| 03:37.24 | dtzWill | rwhitby: sound good? |
| 03:37.56 | rwhitby | yep |
| 03:38.18 | rwhitby | dtzWill: and update Changelog in Makefile - see the ipgkservice Makefile for an example of how to do changelogs |
| 03:38.58 | dtzWill | understood |
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| 03:40.49 | Domingan | just wanted to test out wirc and it's working great! |
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| 03:41.13 | Domingan | THANKS FOR EVERYTHING YOU GUYS DO!! |
| 03:42.11 | Jack87-wIRC- | advanced gestures are fun when running wIRC |
| 03:42.17 | rwhitby | jacques: updated |
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| 03:42.48 | rwhitby | jacques: auto-staging of libs from OE packages in the rootfs on demand |
| 03:42.55 | rwhitby | jacques: next is to add headers to each |
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| 03:54.31 | jacques | back with food |
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| 03:56.14 | acydlord | i think today is the most the "Pause" feature has ever been used in my entire history of gaming. |
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| 03:57.06 | rick_home | Do we know why doom doesn't run on the pixi? |
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| 03:59.42 | dtzWill | zsoc: did you see the changes |
| 04:00.02 | dtzWill | zsoc: not at all being impatient; i just want confirmation the git push worked.. :/ it claims to have |
| 04:00.57 | zsoc | dtzWill: er... i do not see them |
| 04:01.00 | rwhitby | dtzWill: you can check on git.webos-internals.org web interface |
| 04:01.08 | dtzWill | rwhitby: of course,, ty |
| 04:01.23 | zsoc | dtzWill: and what he said :) |
| 04:02.34 | dtzWill | zsoc, rwhitby i'm very sorry this is such a difficulty; it's saying "everything up to date" when i push |
| 04:02.37 | dtzWill | which is... confusing |
| 04:02.54 | rwhitby | dtzWill: ah, is this for the tag? |
| 04:02.59 | rwhitby | dtzWill: git push --tags |
| 04:03.31 | dtzWill | no, haven't tagged anything yet, but ty |
| 04:03.40 | dtzWill | i just wanna push the rotate doom patch, and start pushing all my quake changes |
| 04:04.03 | zsoc | rwhitby: does scons have a 'clean' or 'uninstall' ? |
| 04:04.44 | rwhitby | zsoc: dunno, actually. I don't run it much myself. |
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| 04:06.24 | gointopless | how can I update preware? |
| 04:07.14 | antianalog | open preware lol |
| 04:07.17 | zsoc | rwhitby: bah, you just acted all tough defending it :P |
| 04:08.27 | dtzWill | zsoc, rwhitby: okay for real now--checking out from 'commit' url made it work |
| 04:09.07 | zsoc | dtzWill: cool, but if we build that _everyones_ keyboard will be on the left, including people who may not prefer that |
| 04:09.08 | thebitguru | rwhitby: do you know what changed in 1.3.5 that my wolservice would stop working? |
| 04:09.28 | rwhitby | thebitguru: possible the postinst script and $IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT |
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| 04:09.38 | dtzWill | zsoc: oh that's why I asked before if you thought it was a good idea |
| 04:09.42 | thebitguru | oh, I noticed that. So, that's all, eh? |
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| 04:09.55 | zsoc | dtzWill: sorry, i'm sidetracked with my next project that will make engadget front page ;) lol |
| 04:10.07 | zsoc | dtzWill: leave the commit for now, I like the idea, and rick will work on making options |
| 04:10.12 | dtzWill | zsoc: haha alright sounds good |
| 04:10.15 | dtzWill | zsoc: good luck |
| 04:10.27 | zsoc | dtzWill: i don't need luck! i'm a webos hacker extraordinaire! |
| 04:11.06 | dtzWill | zsoc: naturally |
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| 04:15.07 | rwhitby | holy crap |
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| 04:15.37 | rwhitby | destinal, jacques: from "strings" on LunaSysMgr: |
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| 04:15.52 | rwhitby | ProcessManager::launchNativeApp |
| 04:15.56 | JMyaDaGod | Whats up guys? |
| 04:16.09 | jacques | yes??? the suspense is killing me |
| 04:16.19 | jacques | sorry not you JMyaDaGod |
| 04:16.31 | destinal | rwhitby: nice. we knew that palm wasn't hacking upstart services to start their native apps and that there was an official way. |
| 04:16.41 | destinal | well, strongly conjectured anyway |
| 04:16.43 | zsoc | rwhitby: so wait, is that a json hook? |
| 04:16.46 | jacques | I like this one: std::string ProcessManager::launchNativeApp(const ApplicationDescription*, const std::string&, const std::string&, const std::string&, std::string&) |
| 04:16.52 | zsoc | bah |
| 04:17.01 | zsoc | you people and your binutils, why didn't you do this 2 days ago?!?! |
| 04:17.03 | zsoc | :D |
| 04:17.07 | oil | lol |
| 04:17.08 | rwhitby | and nearby that string: Failed to launch native app %s with path: %s |
| 04:17.14 | jacques | %s: %d Failed to launch native app %s with path: %s |
| 04:17.20 | rwhitby | jacques: snap |
| 04:17.24 | dtzWill | rwhitby: nice!! |
| 04:17.30 | jacques | zsoc: :-( it was on my list to strings things |
| 04:17.30 | destinal | jacques: you owe rwhitby a coke |
| 04:17.45 | JMyaDaGod | make any progress on anymore SDL? |
| 04:17.54 | rick_home | ok guys, so in strings, what else is near process manager? |
| 04:17.55 | jacques | I'll gladly pay up next time he comes to the US :-D |
| 04:18.06 | zsoc | Someone test this. Make a service call |
| 04:18.06 | zsoc | gogogo |
| 04:18.11 | rick_home | because if I know what's tagged as process manager, then we can figure out how to call it. |
| 04:18.12 | rwhitby | so I *think* ProcessManager is the com.palm.applicationmanager service |
| 04:18.14 | destinal | ok, so.. my other conjecture is there's some way to start these things from appinfo.json (or failing that, a built-in service -- which processmanager may be?) |
| 04:18.24 | jacques | heh "MemoryWatcher: Monitored native process # %d exceeded its memory quota. ProcMem = %d, restriction = %d, violation count = %d" |
| 04:18.35 | jacques | bad native app!! no RAM for you! |
| 04:18.45 | destinal | ah, there's memory quotas somewhere |
| 04:19.05 | rick_home | well destinal if it's just application manager we can try calling it from app manager |
| 04:19.15 | rick_home | but that would be a VERY WEIRD app manager call. |
| 04:19.22 | jacques | what's the ipcserver: int IpcServer::launchNativeProcess |
| 04:19.28 | rwhitby | jacques: no idea |
| 04:19.29 | jacques | is that something already known ? |
| 04:19.32 | jacques | :-\ |
| 04:19.47 | rwhitby | jacques: IpcServer is used when talking to the modem - that's all I've seen of it before I think |
| 04:20.11 | jacques | so maybe its responsibilities are increasing... |
| 04:20.30 | jacques | does modem comm use a native process ? |
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| 04:20.39 | rwhitby | rick_home: other process manager things are: |
| 04:20.40 | rwhitby | ProcessManager::launchBootTimeApp |
| 04:20.49 | rwhitby | ProcessManager::launchNativeApp |
| 04:20.57 | rwhitby | ProcessManager::launch |
| 04:21.30 | rwhitby | so com.palm.applicationmanager has a launch method, right? |
| 04:21.40 | jacques | I guess modem comm would need to be efficient |
| 04:21.46 | rick_home | ipcserver usually refers to an inter-process-communications server. |
| 04:21.54 | rwhitby | jacques: TIL is the modem comm stuff |
| 04:22.03 | rwhitby | Telephone Interface Library I think |
| 04:22.06 | rick_home | hold on rwhitby I'm pulling the code for com.palm.applicatonmanager |
| 04:22.29 | zsoc | rwhitby is the WHE now! |
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| 04:23.01 | jacques | heh it should be like a trophy that only one person can have at once |
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| 04:23.42 | rwhitby | zsoc: heh - I regularly do strings on the Luna binaries, just hadn't gotten to 1.3.5 yet with all the bloody ipkgservice crap over the last week |
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| 04:24.34 | rwhitby | gets out his webOS book for appmanager service calls |
| 04:25.09 | rwhitby | crap^2 - I need to go out in 5 minutes to meet friends |
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| 04:26.19 | test3 | test |
| 04:26.31 | rwhitby | ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":false,"errorCode":-1,"errorText":"Method \"launchNativeApp\" with signature \"s\" on interface \"org.json\" doesn't exist\n"} |
| 04:26.36 | rick_home | rwhitby applicatio manager has two methods I know of |
| 04:26.36 | Daaknes | test sat |
| 04:26.49 | rick_home | launch and open |
| 04:26.50 | rwhitby | luna-send -n 1 luna://com.palm.applicationManager/launchNativeApp '{}' |
| 04:27.06 | rick_home | but they could have ADDED launchNativeApp. |
| 04:27.15 | rick_home | in 135 |
| 04:27.30 | rick_home | ok, so what happens when you do that? |
| 04:27.40 | destinal | rick_home: sure, added, but added to what |
| 04:27.43 | rwhitby | rick_home: the error above |
| 04:28.21 | rick_home | yep, |
| 04:28.24 | rwhitby | ok, I gotta head out. |
| 04:28.32 | rick_home | there's no "launch native app" in the framework for application manager |
| 04:28.36 | rick_home | they left it out. |
| 04:28.47 | rick_home | I'm going to try putting it in. |
| 04:29.03 | destinal | I think application manager != process manager |
| 04:29.15 | rick_home | oh JOY I love patching palm code, it's so CLEAN and READABLE..... |
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| 04:29.47 | youslippin | hey I just ran jstop and I have a "futurepr0n..." running? |
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| 04:31.23 | bpadalino | launchNativeAp? interesting |
| 04:31.29 | zsoc | youslippin: pr0n you haven't seen yet |
| 04:32.02 | rick_home | bpadalino yeah, but I can't figure out how to call it from a mojo app |
| 04:32.22 | bpadalino | rick_home, :( |
| 04:32.29 | jacques | is on the phone. |
| 04:32.42 | destinal | bpadalino it may not be a service, it may be an internal function |
| 04:32.47 | jacques | back |
| 04:32.56 | youslippin | lol stupid me, that's who made jstop.. it's late and I'm high sue me |
| 04:33.18 | bpadalino | well, i stopped looking at trying to recompile libSDL and just link against it .. and i can get an openGL triangle up there .. |
| 04:33.28 | destinal | it's so awesome that webos comes loaded with exdump |
| 04:33.31 | rick_home | cool |
| 04:33.44 | destinal | bpadalino: yeah, all the cool kids are linking against it :) |
| 04:33.49 | bpadalino | it seems like it |
| 04:33.51 | destinal | but opengl, that's nice |
| 04:34.08 | bpadalino | you have to do these shader programs .. |
| 04:34.53 | jacques | my irc lag is insame right now |
| 04:35.00 | jacques | insane |
| 04:35.26 | dtzWill | bpadalino: opengl triangle? opengles? |
| 04:35.58 | bpadalino | opengles |
| 04:36.04 | jacques | ooooooh, no data while on voice. that explains my IRC lag of 361 sec |
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| 04:36.53 | zsoc | jacques: yes yes, this isn't att ;) |
| 04:37.27 | jacques | signature ... hmm. |
| 04:37.51 | destinal | ooh |
| 04:38.17 | destinal | I think appinfo.json |
| 04:38.26 | destinal | and I think we want a type of "game" |
| 04:38.34 | zsoc | I've manage to get an error from SDL's error handler that is so uncommon, it has 0 results in google. |
| 04:38.46 | destinal | strings on LunaSysMgr has the two keywords near each other and the other appinfo stuff |
| 04:38.47 | zsoc | destinal: you may be right after all |
| 04:39.38 | destinal | I still don't know how we get the binary path in there though |
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| 04:42.09 | jacques | I wonder if the native app has to be signed (and by whom) |
| 04:42.44 | jacques | oh, maybe I'm misreading that line: "Method \"launchNativeApp\" with signature \"s\" |
| 04:43.02 | jacques | the _method_ has a signature ... ? |
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| 04:47.40 | destinal | ok trying type of game with a main of the binary name |
| 04:47.44 | destinal | let's see what happens |
| 04:49.06 | jacques | destinal: do you think it has app profiles? as in type "game" would mean it could use more resources? |
| 04:49.42 | jacques | about once a year I wish I had a slashdot acct so I could post. as in response to this: " |
| 04:49.44 | jacques | Is it locked? That is really the "killer app" point for me. A commercially sold phone that is hacker friendly from the start. |
| 04:50.18 | jacques | he's talking about the new google phone, but it's android == locked down and sand-boxed |
| 04:50.38 | destinal | jacques: yeah pre definitely wins from that perspective. true linux userland, one code to open novacom shell access |
| 04:51.08 | destinal | alas luna and friends are closed |
| 04:51.13 | jacques | I have a Nokia N800 and really like it, and maemo, and the N900 looks like great hardware, but I wonder about the penetration |
| 04:52.10 | jacques | I really wonder if WebOS will make it to Verizon in its current unlocked state |
| 04:52.33 | zsoc | jacques: it wont |
| 04:53.29 | jacques | in that case, I hope the deal with Verizon doesn't negatively affect the rest of us on future updates |
| 04:53.45 | jacques | because right now I'm pretty happy |
| 04:54.38 | destinal | hmm, it doesn't care about type |
| 04:54.51 | destinal | or seemingly not anyway |
| 04:57.33 | dtzWill | anyone have thoughts for quake keybindings? |
| 04:57.35 | destinal | wtf, there's rot13 in LunaSysMgr |
| 04:57.54 | dtzWill | i presently have forward/back/strafe... and debatnig how to best use the touchscreen |
| 04:58.15 | destinal | Pbclevtug 2009 Cnyz Vap. |
| 04:58.21 | destinal | which decodes to Copyright 2009 Palm Inc. |
| 04:59.16 | dtzWill | haha |
| 04:59.19 | destinal | and /hfe/yvo/yvo_vq.fb which is /usr/lib/lib_id.soso |
| 04:59.24 | destinal | s/soso/so |
| 04:59.31 | destinal | /usr/lib/lib_id.so |
| 05:00.35 | destinal | turns out there is in fact no lib_id.so there |
| 05:00.47 | jacques | destinal: that's hilarious |
| 05:01.08 | Daaknes | dtzwill: I would think a WASD format would work well wit a small area ofthe touchscreen for mouselook |
| 05:01.26 | jacques | maybe it's libhid.so ? |
| 05:01.51 | destinal | yeah, could be |
| 05:02.32 | lingfish | grrr to Palm and the stupid App Catalog region crap |
| 05:02.35 | lingfish | I want GeoStrings :( |
| 05:03.29 | zsoc | dtzWill: touchscreen look is my vote |
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| 05:04.01 | zsoc | rot13 lol |
| 05:04.17 | jacques | what's with the wxwidgets libs in webos? what are they used for? |
| 05:06.24 | dtzWill | zsoc: what do you mean touchscreen look? right now i'm looking at implementing relative touchscreen movement to turn/look |
| 05:07.47 | lingfish | Anyone in .au alive? I'm finding that Google traffic isn't working lately |
| 05:07.51 | zsoc | dtzWill: yes, that's what i mean |
| 05:09.03 | Domingan | any way you could use the BT to connet to a mouse? maybe use the tilting for strafe? |
| 05:10.47 | dtzWill | Domingan: if the bluetooth stack/sdl play nice a mouse could just work |
| 05:10.59 | destinal | under general in /etc/palm .. BeAggressive__Bee_Eee_AGGRESSIVE=true |
| 05:10.59 | destinal | ?? |
| 05:11.06 | dtzWill | ROFL |
| 05:11.11 | dtzWill | destinal: hahahah |
| 05:11.24 | destinal | downloadManager.conf |
| 05:12.24 | zsoc | lulz |
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| 05:13.13 | Domingan | what about the accelerometer for the strafe? |
| 05:13.43 | bpadalino | yeah i saw that a while ago, destinal .. pretty amusing |
| 05:14.35 | zsoc | dtzWill: have you tried using sdl joystick? |
| 05:14.56 | dtzWill | zsoc: the accel stuf you were talkng about? |
| 05:15.12 | dtzWill | zsoc: no i haven't; but i never found accel stuff to be particularly useful way to play a fps |
| 05:15.13 | zsoc | dtzWill: ya, but joystick is a standard hook, i'm sure quake supports it |
| 05:15.19 | dtzWill | although i'm opening to be convinced otherwise |
| 05:15.22 | zsoc | dtzWill: you're probably right lol |
| 05:15.22 | dtzWill | *open |
| 05:18.56 | thebitguru | I have tagged a local git repo, how can I push that tag to the remote one? |
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| 05:19.59 | dtzWill | hmm how to make mouse work is annoyingly difficult |
| 05:20.02 | dtzWill | i mean thinking of a good idea |
| 05:20.06 | dtzWill | bah |
| 05:20.20 | zsoc | thebitguru: push --tags ? |
| 05:20.34 | dtzWill | well and the fact that the current game polls the mouse state |
| 05:20.48 | dtzWill | and so holding finger down repeatedly fires, annoying for movement |
| 05:21.03 | thebitguru | zsoc: yup, thanks! :) |
| 05:21.22 | zsoc | is there a good way to strace a process that is only starting for a moment before dying? like can I pipe it somehow? |
| 05:21.41 | zsoc | dtzWill: re-map mouse 0 to stop the shooting issue |
| 05:22.13 | dtzWill | zsoc: ? |
| 05:22.31 | dtzWill | zsoc: strace command |
| 05:22.45 | dtzWill | zsoc: i didn't even realize you could attach to a running process :), or at least forgot |
| 05:22.47 | JMyaDaGod | zsoc u still in pizza joint lol JK |
| 05:22.47 | zsoc | dtzWill: you can use it like that? ha |
| 05:22.55 | zsoc | JMyaDaGod: no no, :P |
| 05:23.01 | zsoc | i'm actually hacking away at things :P |
| 05:23.04 | dtzWill | zsoc: "you can use it like that?" my thuoghts exactly hehe |
| 05:23.04 | Domingan | sounds like you didn't like the accel for strafe? it would make the controlling on the phone esier |
| 05:23.45 | dtzWill | Domingan: i'm happy to implement it, but not sold. first pass i'll use a keyboard for strafe since that's easier technically |
| 05:23.58 | JMyaDaGod | zsoc: good luck in progrss wish i could help but i am no help at all lol |
| 05:23.59 | dtzWill | eventually what you said is great, especially if it can be optional |
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| 05:28.58 | jacques | is anyone using the native toolchain from optware or is everyone native building in a debian chroot? |
| 05:29.53 | thebitguru | I am using the webos repo, I just updated the version in my service's Makefile, what's the next step? Will it get built automatically, if so, when? |
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| 05:30.20 | zsoc | jacques: i have a native chroot, i also have a gentoo crossdev, and i'm working on a codesorcery chain |
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| 05:30.43 | zsoc | thebitguru: if it's something in the regular feed, wait 15 minutes to 1 hour |
| 05:31.12 | zsoc | thebitguru: what repo you working on ? |
| 05:31.28 | thebitguru | zsoc: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=summary |
| 05:31.29 | Jack87-wIRC | dtzWill: what happens if we find a different resolution to fire? |
| 05:31.58 | dtzWill | Jack87-wIRC: different resolution? |
| 05:34.23 | jacques | zsoc: for your native chroot you started with the rootfs in webosdoctor? what toolchain did you install? |
| 05:34.30 | thebitguru | zsoc: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/wolservice.git;a=summary that's the service |
| 05:35.03 | zsoc | jacques: oh no, it's debian. just gcc (build-essential through optware repos) |
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| 05:35.54 | Jack87-wIRC | dtzWill: shooting without touch screen? |
| 05:36.21 | bpadalino | well that stinks .. the number of haptic devices in the SDL library is 0 .. |
| 05:36.28 | bpadalino | so i can't make use of palmvibe |
| 05:37.21 | destinal | aha |
| 05:37.47 | destinal | THere are a number of undocumented properties for appinfo.json |
| 05:37.52 | bpadalino | oh yeah ? |
| 05:37.59 | destinal | reading in the LunaSysMgr binary |
| 05:38.29 | destinal | keywords mimeTypes type (and maybe game, or maybe that's a type) appsize requiredMemory visible transparent attributes launchPointId params |
| 05:38.43 | zsoc | bpadalino: check lines starting at 731 of the patch? |
| 05:38.44 | Abyssul | Lots of activity in the channel lately :p |
| 05:39.16 | zsoc | Abyssul: well we're all WHEs |
| 05:39.46 | destinal | I think that requiredMemory is the quota thing nappmgr enforces |
| 05:39.50 | destinal | not sure though |
| 05:40.08 | xcomp | destinal: so how did you guys crack quake? |
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| 05:40.26 | zsoc | xcomp: ask dtzWill :) |
| 05:40.37 | destinal | xcomp: I don't think we cracked quake? oh you mean built it, yeah that's dtzWill |
| 05:40.46 | xcomp | yeah that's what I meant :) |
| 05:41.26 | bpadalino | zsoc, i guess i need to figure out how to initialize it first ? |
| 05:41.39 | dtzWill | xcomp: working on it some more now. what kind of information are you looking for? |
| 05:41.42 | destinal | oh and "removable" and "appmenu" seem to be properties as well |
| 05:42.21 | xcomp | dtzWill: just what you had to do to get it to build against opengles |
| 05:42.35 | thebitguru | zsoc: oh, actually it seems that the service is already updated :) |
| 05:42.55 | bpadalino | intersting: VibeTonz Error: Failed to initialize API with return code -4 |
| 05:43.10 | dtzWill | xcomp: it isn't building against opengles |
| 05:43.14 | dtzWill | xcomp: sorry to disappoint |
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| 05:43.23 | dtzWill | xcomp: using sdl |
| 05:43.36 | xcomp | oh ... just libsdl, ic |
| 05:43.47 | dtzWill | xcomp: yep |
| 05:44.14 | dtzWill | hey can someone run http://wdtz.org/files/sdlquake and tell me what that framerate is like? |
| 05:44.25 | dtzWill | should be about 13--so playable but not amazing |
| 05:44.28 | xcomp | so sdlquake uses pure sdl calls |
| 05:44.34 | dtzWill | but that's up from 6 before |
| 05:46.01 | bpadalino | well that stinks that the palmvibe stuff is no good :( |
| 05:46.13 | xcomp | dtzWill: says missing stuff from a gfx directory |
| 05:47.09 | hborders | is there a preferred way to setup a good linux environment (non-root user, libs, etc) on the pre w/o using gui installers? |
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| 05:47.26 | hborders | I'm looking to do development eventually, and I'd like to get set up with the preferred homebrew environment |
| 05:47.51 | bpadalino | hborders: novacom and novaterm are your friends .. look up how to get you setup with that |
| 05:47.53 | hborders | I looked through the wiki, and it looks like the setup scripts are all deprecated in favor of just using preware, etc |
| 05:48.01 | hborders | yeah, i'm connected thru novacom |
| 05:48.03 | destinal | hborders: they still work just fine |
| 05:48.12 | ird_zzZ | it's the same thing just easier. |
| 05:48.12 | ird_zzZ | :D |
| 05:48.45 | destinal | hborders: I still use optware-bootstrap |
| 05:48.51 | hborders | ok |
| 05:49.48 | destinal | hborders: curl http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/master/optware-bootstrap.sh | sh :) |
| 05:50.00 | destinal | s/bootstrap/bootstrap-manual |
| 05:50.04 | hborders | i'm looking at that script right now |
| 05:50.05 | hborders | ok |
| 05:50.11 | hborders | i'm looking at that one now too |
| 05:50.13 | destinal | they renamed it |
| 05:50.16 | hborders | thanks |
| 05:50.21 | xcomp | dtzWill: where to find the gfx files? |
| 05:50.23 | hborders | yeah, i'm just reviewing it before I install |
| 05:50.29 | destinal | hborders: heh, sensible :) |
| 05:50.38 | hborders | you'll forgive me if I don't instantly trust scripts to run as root on my device |
| 05:50.39 | hborders | :) |
| 05:51.06 | dtzWill | xcomp: the quake shareware stuff? either grab it via preware (easier) or unpack it yourself by going... |
| 05:51.07 | hborders | it looks like you guys have a good community going on here. you're pretty much the reason I got a pre instead of a hero |
| 05:51.23 | dtzWill | xcomp: http://www.libsdl.org/projects/quake/data/quakesw-1.0.6.tar.gz |
| 05:51.26 | xcomp | dtzWill: oh, I need to install packages |
| 05:51.27 | xcomp | ok |
| 05:51.46 | destinal | hborders: yeah, for me #webos-internals was the reason I got a pre instead of an iphone 3gs about a couple weeks after pre launched |
| 05:52.19 | hborders | I'm actually an iphone developer by trade. :) |
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| 05:52.38 | hborders | can't reveal the app yet, its really nothing special. just a locator for a fortune 500 |
| 05:53.12 | destinal | hborders: I got into the original iphone around launch, was a bit involved with some of the original reverse engineering, from-scratch toolchain stuff back when apple still thought webapps were all you needed |
| 05:53.21 | destinal | but my 2g was getting pretty old |
| 05:53.39 | destinal | and physical keyboards and linux are nice to have |
| 05:54.08 | hborders | yeah, you're way more awesome than me. :) I'm a pretty awesome java developer, but i'm new to objC/C. This iphone app is the first objc/c app i've ever done of any size |
| 05:54.20 | hborders | its great to learn this stuff and get closer to the metal |
| 05:54.48 | xcomp | still wonders whether he should have chosen a career as a programmer instead of an EE |
| 05:55.04 | destinal | hborders: actually you're probably way better at iphone apps than I am :) what little I did know back then I've probably forgotten or is outdated |
| 05:55.33 | bpadalino | xcomp, EE is much funner .. :) |
| 05:55.49 | hborders | xcomp: anyone can be a programmer, its never too late |
| 05:56.05 | bpadalino | plus you get these little embedded devices .. and you automatically know how to probe them and figure out what is going on .. |
| 05:56.52 | xcomp | hborders: i used to develop for enlightenment.org back when I was in college |
| 05:57.33 | xcomp | bpadalino: it depends... for me, even after six years as an EE I'm still very much a hacker at heart |
| 05:57.40 | destinal | hborders: what was fun for me about the original iphone stuff was jailbreaking when it was all just getting figured out |
| 05:57.44 | hborders | xcomp: nice |
| 05:58.13 | destinal | and of course there hadn't really been a real smartphone before that IMO, and hacking it = win |
| 05:58.16 | bpadalino | xcomp, i don't think the two are mutually exclusive .. i think the best ee's i know are curious and hackerish people |
| 05:58.34 | xcomp | true |
| 05:58.53 | BoBoYsDaDDa | i know wrong channel but i'm not getting help anywhere else so if anyone could spare the time please. i'm running suse 11.2x64 KDE and i'm trying to compile zsnes (super nintendo emulator) from the 11.1 repository for i586 i have the src.rpm but i can not figure out how to use the rpmbuild command. can someone please help |
| 05:58.54 | hborders | destinal: I'm just enjoying being more of a real hacker. coding C and working with symbols, real crash logs, and memory dumps is real |
| 05:58.59 | bpadalino | how did they do that? why did they do that? can i do it better? .. the first 3 questions i always ask myself |
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| 05:59.20 | zsoc | BoBoYsDaDDa: wow, dude, not only wrong channel, that's close to wrong planet |
| 05:59.37 | destinal | hborders: if you enjoy reverse engineering, we could really use someone interested in that |
| 05:59.55 | zsoc | binutils ftw |
| 06:00.00 | BoBoYsDaDDa | lol i admited my wrongness in the beginning zsoc. |
| 06:00.14 | rick_home | hborders boy could we -- right now, especially right now. |
| 06:00.15 | hborders | destinal: for right now, i'm just interested in exploring the capabilities of the system. but i thought I might try helping to reverse engineer webos doctor |
| 06:00.19 | zsoc | BoBoYsDaDDa: http://rpm.org/max-rpm-snapshot/rpmbuild.8.html ? |
| 06:00.57 | rick_home | most of webos doctor we understand |
| 06:01.05 | hborders | k |
| 06:01.09 | destinal | rick_home: at a superficial level I'd say |
| 06:01.12 | rick_home | unless you're talking about the details of the bootie rom on the phone |
| 06:01.15 | xcomp | BoBoYsDaDDa: this is like going to Texas and asking for help on how to build a snowman. Even though there are people with experience there, you'd still get laughed off |
| 06:01.16 | rick_home | which we don't |
| 06:01.40 | hborders | i know nothing about reverse engineering roms. i'm very good at java |
| 06:02.00 | destinal | rick_home: we understand what webos doctor does, but not really the low level technical details or even what it's capable of doing |
| 06:02.04 | xcomp | dtzWill: the quakesw package only contains a single file "pak0.pak". How to unpack? |
| 06:02.21 | destinal | some people know a lot about certain pieces |
| 06:02.24 | BoBoYsDaDDa | thanks zsoc i'm trying to make sense out of all of that. same thing i got when i info rcmbuild in terminal |
| 06:02.40 | dtzWill | xcomp: that's it |
| 06:02.56 | dtzWill | xcomp: sdlquake expects a folder 'id1' in its directory, with the pak in it |
| 06:02.57 | xcomp | so just put that file in the same dir as the binary? |
| 06:03.00 | xcomp | oh, i see |
| 06:03.01 | xcomp | ok |
| 06:03.29 | dtzWill | the game should be in good shape, except i need to work out a good control scheme |
| 06:03.40 | rick_home | pak dates back to dos days, |
| 06:03.40 | hborders | rick_home, destinal: i think eventually i'd like to help in some way. I can probably reverse engineer the whole of webos doctor except the native code (hopefully there is little natvie code there) |
| 06:03.46 | rick_home | stuffit can unpack it. |
| 06:03.53 | dtzWill | spent all day optimizing away haha, but if you can't make it usable .. it's still unusable hehe |
| 06:04.24 | rick_home | PAK files are commonly used to store data loaded by video games, such as Quake, Hexen, and Half Life; may include graphics, objects, textures, sounds, and other game data "packed" into a single file. |
| 06:04.26 | hborders | but right now, i'm just trying to figure out how i can set up an ideal linux environment (non-root user, libs), and still use preware, webos quick install software |
| 06:04.31 | rick_home | wikipedia to the rescue |
| 06:04.33 | xcomp | stuffit ... that's some old school stuff |
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| 06:04.51 | rick_home | it dates back WAY before that |
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| 06:04.58 | zsoc | i've come to hate strace |
| 06:05.03 | rick_home | it's MS DOS packaging stuff |
| 06:05.23 | xcomp | dtzWill: quake segv'ed here |
| 06:05.23 | Domingan | so what was the final verdict on the controls? |
| 06:05.43 | hborders | also, do you think the touchstone is worth it? I found ones online for $30US |
| 06:05.45 | destinal | hborders: adding some security in terms of privilege seperation would be nice, not sure how far you can go but certainly a good deal more than out of the box |
| 06:05.46 | xcomp | oh cool, there's a gdb binary |
| 06:06.02 | destinal | hborders: I think it's worth it for the backplate alone, and yeah, it's very handy IMO |
| 06:06.12 | dtzWill | xcomp: yes there is, but it really shouldn't do that :( |
| 06:06.14 | xcomp | (gdb) bt |
| 06:06.14 | xcomp | #0 0x00042018 in UDP_Init () |
| 06:06.21 | dtzWill | hmm i'll look into that |
| 06:06.29 | dtzWill | xcomp: you are running as root, right? |
| 06:06.33 | hborders | destinal: so do preware/quick install apps run as root then? |
| 06:06.44 | xcomp | binary doesn't seem to have a lot of debug info in it |
| 06:06.57 | dtzWill | also there was talk of mytether interferring, is that something that might apply to you? |
| 06:06.58 | destinal | hborders: well your main difficulty there is that LunaSysMgr is the GUI essentially |
| 06:07.05 | destinal | hborders: all one process and it runs as root |
| 06:07.11 | zsoc | hborders: everything runs as root. |
| 06:07.16 | xcomp | mytether? |
| 06:07.19 | dtzWill | xcomp: no, it hasn't crashed in some time for me or the people that were helping me test |
| 06:07.43 | dtzWill | xcomp: the pre tethering service thingy that works on "donations" |
| 06:07.51 | hborders | destinal: so then running the optware manual installer shouldn't interfere with preware stuff |
| 06:07.55 | dtzWill | xcomp: so debugging stuff was removed |
| 06:08.08 | xcomp | i've had it for a while...doesn't seem to work lately anyways |
| 06:08.12 | xcomp | maybe I should delete it |
| 06:08.18 | destinal | hborders: it won't, optware lives in /opt and stays away from the stock system almost entirely |
| 06:08.27 | dtzWill | yeah, although iirc the cahnges it makes might linger? don't mean to spread FUD so maybe ask someone who kws |
| 06:08.28 | zsoc | hborders: we have this down to a pretty good science.. and if something _does_ break we probably know why :) |
| 06:08.29 | sportman | anything else new? |
| 06:08.34 | dtzWill | but that defeintiely was the cause for quake/doom dying |
| 06:09.21 | hborders | destinal: cool cool. So, I'd just install optware if I wanted to try and build my own linux apps, java services? |
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| 06:09.38 | hborders | sorry |
| 06:09.48 | hborders | accidentally left room...damn fingers... :) |
| 06:09.48 | xcomp | nukes mytether |
| 06:10.05 | xcomp | hmm, maybe I should reboot |
| 06:10.07 | zsoc | hborders: well the optware repos have over 1,000 linux apps ready to install with ipkg, no building necessary. |
| 06:10.19 | destinal | hborders: mainly if you want an extra distribution giving you the ability to install thousands of handy linux packages on the userland |
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| 06:10.35 | rwhitby | hborders: install optware advanced command line installer from Preware |
| 06:10.36 | hborders | but is there an easy way of running them from the gui? |
| 06:10.38 | destinal | hborders: but having such a userland can be very useful when making linux apps and services |
| 06:11.24 | hborders | perhaps i should search the wiki more and read about the architecture of the whole system so i can ask better questions |
| 06:11.52 | destinal | rwhitby: I distrust this newfangled stuff and like the bootstrap script. also, get off of my lawn. |
| 06:11.55 | destinal | :) |
| 06:12.25 | destinal | I suppose I should try the new installer |
| 06:12.40 | rwhitby | hborders: I'm steering people towards the new installer that I packaged into Preware |
| 06:13.17 | destinal | rwhitby: how advanced is it? does it prompt for anything? |
| 06:13.30 | rwhitby | destinal: nothing. root login ssh keys only |
| 06:13.49 | rick_home | off to bed. |
| 06:14.00 | hborders | so, here's where i'm at right now: I just got my pre a week ago. i downloaded the sdk, and wrote the hello world app. recommendations for a next step? |
| 06:14.04 | rick_home | gnight all -- you all seem to accomplish so much more after I fall asleep anyway. |
| 06:14.06 | rwhitby | install openssh-sftp-server, drop your authorized_keys in /home/root/.ssh, and you're done |
| 06:14.26 | zsoc | rwhitby: "ioctl(11, KDGKBENT, 0x9eaeb77c)=0" 100 times a second in a strace. probably a keyboard error? and is there a way to surpress ioctl calls in strace? |
| 06:14.35 | rwhitby | rick_home: that's the only time when I get quality solid hacking time with no interruptions :-) |
| 06:14.36 | rick_home | hborders if you want to work on the linux/java side, then do what rwhitby just said. |
| 06:15.01 | rwhitby | destinal: so, what have we learnt about LunaSysMgr while I've been away |
| 06:15.14 | rick_home | rwhitby tommorow I will look more at the launch stuff, but I suspect for now I'll just stick with the upstart. I suspect that the launch call will require signed apps. |
| 06:15.17 | destinal | I found a lot of undocumented appinfo.json stuff but don't know how to apply the knowledge yet |
| 06:15.17 | hborders | so first i need to install preware, and then i need to find the installer for optware inside of preware? |
| 06:15.53 | rick_home | destinal can you dump the undocumented apinfo json stuff in the wiki or in an email to me and let me see it? |
| 06:15.59 | rick_home | rboatright@gmail |
| 06:16.05 | zsoc | hborders: finding things in preware is flawless. it finds things for you. |
| 06:16.14 | destinal | rick_home: keywords mimeTypes type (and maybe game, or maybe that's a type) appsize requiredMemory visible transparent attributes launchPointId params Jan |
| 06:16.22 | destinal | s/Jan//g |
| 06:16.32 | rick_home | nost listening. |
| 06:16.33 | rick_home | not |
| 06:16.36 | rick_home | off to bed. |
| 06:16.38 | zsoc | lol |
| 06:16.41 | rick_home | please pretty please email |
| 06:16.43 | rick_home | please? |
| 06:16.45 | rick_home | gngight |
| 06:16.47 | destinal | k gn |
| 06:16.51 | hborders | zsoc: ha. ok, i'll give preware a try. worst case, i suppose i can always wipe my pre if screw things up |
| 06:17.04 | zsoc | hborders: impossible. really. |
| 06:17.04 | rick_sleep | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 06:17.16 | destinal | hborders: preware is solid. everyone uses it happily :) |
| 06:17.26 | zsoc | hborders: i don't know the numbers, but i wouldn't be surprised if preware has 10,000 active users, and 95% of them know less than you about linux |
| 06:18.07 | destinal | zsoc: aw, and you spoiled my statisticless (but mostly accurate) propaganda with numbers |
| 06:18.14 | hborders | zsoc: ha. i'll try and not screw it up then. I seem to have a knack for not following directions because i think i know what i'm doing. I wouldn't want to make you guys look bad |
| 06:18.17 | hborders | :P |
| 06:18.34 | zsoc | hborders: no one follows instructions. it's made that way. |
| 06:18.39 | zsoc | really, i can't even make this up |
| 06:18.51 | zsoc | guys at best buy install preware before they sell phones to people |
| 06:18.53 | zsoc | i saw it happen |
| 06:18.56 | destinal | zsoc: wow |
| 06:18.57 | hborders | ha |
| 06:19.18 | hborders | this does look easier than installing custom roms on a winmo phone |
| 06:19.18 | dtzWill | zsoc: hahaha awesome |
| 06:19.33 | hborders | i did that a few times with my last one (htc touch pro) |
| 06:19.34 | destinal | DOOM would be an extra selling point, yeah? |
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| 06:20.52 | hborders | running webosquickinstall.jar |
| 06:20.54 | bpadalino | if someone is interested in seeing an OpenGLES example: http://pastie.textmate.org/private/bkdtihbu5jwe0czpx0fng |
| 06:21.04 | EdLin | oh, cool. I installed nethack. That's even better than doom. ;-) |
| 06:21.35 | zsoc | bpadalino: does that compile? |
| 06:21.59 | bpadalino | indeed it does |
| 06:22.16 | zsoc | bpadalino: ompload the binary please? |
| 06:22.45 | bpadalino | the binary is a little screwy due to the way i linked .. but if you place stuff in the right locations, it will run |
| 06:23.31 | zsoc | bpadalino: i'll figure it out :P |
| 06:23.35 | bpadalino | http://omploader.org/vMzU4bw/newtest |
| 06:23.39 | zsoc | bpadalino: did you write that? |
| 06:23.50 | bpadalino | taken from a maemo example and modifies |
| 06:23.52 | bpadalino | modified for sdl |
| 06:24.13 | bpadalino | grabbed originally from: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=436886 (simpleglv2.tgz) |
| 06:25.16 | bpadalino | i also have no mouse input yet |
| 06:26.40 | zsoc | oooooooook i'm getting permission denied? wtf |
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| 06:26.46 | bpadalino | chmod 755 it |
| 06:26.49 | zsoc | i did |
| 06:26.50 | zsoc | oh wait |
| 06:26.52 | zsoc | ha |
| 06:27.25 | zsoc | bpadalino: ooooohhh. we don't have your libPiranha thingy |
| 06:27.35 | bpadalino | libPiranha thingy ? |
| 06:27.39 | zsoc | the header |
| 06:27.41 | bpadalino | we're just linking her .. |
| 06:27.47 | bpadalino | we don't need no stinkin headers |
| 06:27.56 | bpadalino | not trying to rebuild libSDL anymore :( |
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| 06:28.13 | zsoc | bpadalino: but we don't have it. where is it from? |
| 06:28.33 | bpadalino | you need to ln -s /usr/lib ./usr i am pretty sure due to the way i compiled and linked it myself :( |
| 06:28.52 | zsoc | scratches his head |
| 06:28.55 | zsoc | doesn't seem right |
| 06:29.03 | destinal | bpadalino: building with -I/usr/local/include/SDL -lSDL -lGLESv2 seems to do it |
| 06:29.05 | bpadalino | do you get an error about libPiranha ? |
| 06:29.36 | bpadalino | destinal: yeah boy did i screw up my build environment .. trust me |
| 06:29.43 | bpadalino | but it works well enough to link together .. |
| 06:29.51 | zsoc | bpadalino: i got it, just needed to run the file in / |
| 06:29.58 | bpadalino | there you go |
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| 06:30.21 | rwhitby | bpadalino: --rpath is what you want |
| 06:30.36 | bpadalino | rwhitby: yeah, definitely didn't do that right |
| 06:31.28 | bpadalino | destinal: did you get it built in your environment ? |
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| 06:32.29 | destinal | bpadalino: yup |
| 06:32.36 | bpadalino | do you see the trippy triangle ? |
| 06:32.39 | destinal | I built it natively on the pre in a debian chroot |
| 06:33.00 | destinal | bpadalino: yes, very psychedelic |
| 06:33.11 | bpadalino | my pre is telling me i need to go to sleep now :( |
| 06:33.55 | bpadalino | overall disappointed by the lack of haptic feedback support .. but nice to see it's a start i guess |
| 06:34.11 | bpadalino | glad the gles stuff seems to work and is all there .. should make stuff nice .. |
| 06:34.56 | destinal | bpadalino: nice POC |
| 06:35.01 | zsoc | bpadalino: nice work |
| 06:35.04 | xcomp | dtzWill: ok ... I removed mytether and still getting the segv |
| 06:35.35 | destinal | bpadalino: interestingly it still runs in a card view but very very slowly |
| 06:36.03 | bpadalino | very interesting |
| 06:36.06 | bpadalino | i thought it paused it |
| 06:36.14 | bpadalino | never kept it in a card view for that long |
| 06:36.26 | hborders | ok, i got webosinstaller going, and i got preware going. do i want the optware bootstrap or the optware advanced linux command line installer? |
| 06:36.34 | bpadalino | http://opensource.dylogic.com/DOGLESS/Articles/About.html - might be interesting for people who want to port straight SDL OpenGL programs maybe ? |
| 06:36.34 | jacques | I wonder at the mechanism of slowing down the cards. |
| 06:36.49 | zsoc | bpadalino: although i must say, there is a severe lack of 3d there ;) |
| 06:36.56 | bpadalino | zsoc, :( |
| 06:37.11 | bpadalino | zsoc, feel free to add roations and translations .. |
| 06:37.17 | bpadalino | rotations rather |
| 06:37.30 | bpadalino | testmouse.c should give a good idea how to gather mouse input |
| 06:37.34 | bpadalino | and figure out deltas |
| 06:38.20 | bpadalino | destinal: surprisingly, top shows the executable using more CPU time when it's in card view as opposed to when it's full screen |
| 06:38.20 | rwhitby | hborders: the latter will pull in the former by dependencies |
| 06:38.24 | hborders | well done |
| 06:38.43 | rwhitby | hborders: the former just mounts /opt |
| 06:39.03 | rwhitby | the latter installs /opt/bin/ipkg-opt for getting access to the nslu2-linux.org feeds |
| 06:39.17 | hborders | rwhitby: I just tweeted this, but i'll say it here too. you guys have built a really kick-ass system here |
| 06:39.36 | hborders | I just hope this doesn't become the next newton |
| 06:39.51 | jacques | maybe when it's in a card, it's being rendered offscreen and scaled to the card |
| 06:39.52 | destinal | bpadalino: yeah, I think the scaling luna is doing is really resource hungry |
| 06:39.56 | destinal | not sure what it is exactly |
| 06:40.16 | zsoc | yes that's exactly what's happening i believe |
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| 06:40.22 | bpadalino | destinal: but i would think luna would do that .. and not my process ? |
| 06:40.32 | destinal | bpadalino: ah, it's the process? hmm |
| 06:40.32 | bpadalino | i guess maybe not |
| 06:40.49 | rwhitby | hborders: the main reason to use the preware stuff instead of the old bootstrap script is that I now use the former, so it's guaranteed to stay working |
| 06:41.11 | destinal | bpadalino: there's some IPC that happens between the library and luna |
| 06:41.28 | destinal | so maybe luna is telling it how to scale, and what it's having your app do is ineffecient |
| 06:41.52 | hborders | rwhitby: so i just installed the optware command line tools. i'm assuming they only do my any good if i ssh in or install a terminal on preware |
| 06:42.26 | bpadalino | maybe |
| 06:42.46 | bpadalino | ok, night time for real .. more 3d in the morning! |
| 06:43.00 | jacques | nice job bpadalino |
| 06:44.27 | MiX-MaN | yo |
| 06:44.29 | rwhitby | hborders: yeah, you can install the other stuff that's in Preware without doing so (e.g. the lighttpd web server), but you really should install openssh-sftp-server, and then put your authorized_keys file in place |
| 06:44.57 | rwhitby | destinal: PmLogCtl set LunaSysMgr debug |
| 06:45.27 | destinal | rwhitby: ah, nice |
| 06:45.33 | rwhitby | I just remembered about PmLogCtl - I was using it the other day for mapping out com.palm.netroute |
| 06:45.38 | rwhitby | OOHHHH |
| 06:45.45 | hborders | rwhitby: it looked like optware needed dropbear installed. dropbear said that it killed any password auth |
| 06:46.00 | hborders | rwhitby: so am i screwed from novaterm now? |
| 06:46.15 | jacques | novaterm bypasses all that |
| 06:46.22 | zsoc | novaterm is supahacks |
| 06:46.36 | rwhitby | destinal: you said "game" for type, right? |
| 06:46.49 | destinal | rwhitby: it's either type game or a new property called game |
| 06:46.51 | rwhitby | let me try that .... |
| 06:47.09 | rwhitby | 2010-01-03T02:32:18.045349Z [337] palm-webos-device user.notice LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: int IpcServer::launchNativeProcess(const std::string&, const char*, char* const*, int): Process org.webosinternals.sdlquake (/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.sdlquake/index.html) launched with pid: 1762 |
| 06:47.12 | zsoc | I find "novacom -t open tty://" will pretty much get into any webos device every even remotely near a usb cable |
| 06:47.20 | destinal | rwhitby: very nice |
| 06:47.31 | zsoc | rwhitby: waaaaiiiiittt a second. i see what you did there |
| 06:47.33 | destinal | just change the name from index.html to something useful |
| 06:47.56 | destinal | rwhitby: it was type game you used? |
| 06:47.59 | jacques | rwhitby: ?? what did you just do ?? |
| 06:48.10 | zsoc | jacques: he just won the game |
| 06:48.12 | destinal | I did that earlier but didn't have logging up high enough |
| 06:48.23 | destinal | PmLogCtl set LunaSysMgr debug for the win |
| 06:48.24 | rwhitby | destinal: no change |
| 06:48.29 | xcomp | zsoc: not in my case |
| 06:48.34 | rwhitby | oh, maybe I need a rescan |
| 06:48.43 | xcomp | i'm going to have to try a new cable soon |
| 06:48.54 | xcomp | because novacom doesn't work for me anymore |
| 06:48.57 | zsoc | xcomp: well that's assuming your novacom is installed properly ;) |
| 06:48.57 | destinal | rwhitby: well it's launching native process as opposed to a web app right? |
| 06:49.01 | rwhitby | 2010-01-03T02:37:29.688201Z [649] palm-webos-device user.notice LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: void ApplicationManager::postLaunchPointChange(const LaunchPoint*, const std::string&): Posting LaunchPoint change { "id": "org.webosinternals.sdlquake", "version": "1.0.9", "appId": "org.webosinternals.sdlquake", "vendor": "WebOS Internals", "vendorUrl": "", "size": 20316160, "removable": true, "launchPointId": "org.webosinternals.sdlquake_default |
| 06:49.04 | rwhitby | ", "title": "Quake", "appmenu": "Quake", "icon": "\/media\/cryptofs\/apps\/usr\/palm\/applications\/org.webosinternals.sdlquake\/icon.png", "change": "updated" } |
| 06:49.08 | xcomp | zsoc: last time this happened to me i fixed it by buying a new cable |
| 06:49.11 | rwhitby | rescan does something indeed |
| 06:49.29 | jacques | that looks ... good |
| 06:49.42 | rwhitby | bingo |
| 06:49.43 | rwhitby | 2010-01-03T02:38:05.967041Z [685] palm-webos-device user.notice LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: int IpcServer::launchNativeProcess(const std::string&, const char*, char* const*, int): Process org.webosinternals.sdlquake (/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.sdlquake/bin/quake) launched with pid: 1770 |
| 06:49.53 | rwhitby | but no card |
| 06:50.03 | destinal | well there are some other directives we may need |
| 06:50.04 | rwhitby | next line is 2010-01-03T02:38:06.109741Z [685] palm-webos-device user.notice LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: void IpcServer::childProcessDied(GPid, gint): pid: 1770, status 256 |
| 06:50.12 | zsoc | broken |
| 06:50.13 | destinal | requiredMemory for one |
| 06:50.22 | destinal | it may have decided you exceeded your quota of 0 |
| 06:50.32 | jacques | unless 0 means no quota |
| 06:50.33 | hborders | rwhitby: the show wifi ssid patch is not working on my pre. I just downloaded it, and restarted luna. |
| 06:50.40 | rwhitby | root@palm-webos-device:/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.sdlquake# ./bin/quake |
| 06:50.41 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:50.43 | rwhitby | FindFile: can't find gfx/pop.lmp |
| 06:50.45 | rwhitby | Playing shareware version. |
| 06:50.46 | rwhitby | FindFile: can't find gfx.wad |
| 06:50.47 | zsoc | hborders: reconnect to your wifi network? |
| 06:50.49 | rwhitby | Error: W_LoadWadFile: couldn't load gfx.wad |
| 06:50.54 | rwhitby | I reckon it's PWD |
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| 06:51.05 | zsoc | rwhitby: i'm sure its PWD |
| 06:51.20 | jacques | hborders: you already connected to wifi? if so, turn off wifi and turn it back on |
| 06:51.28 | destinal | rwhitby: what about launchPointId |
| 06:51.36 | destinal | maybe that translates to working dir |
| 06:51.45 | jacques | there's an initial conditions issue |
| 06:51.49 | destinal | or maybe it's binary name |
| 06:51.50 | zsoc|away | ok, well much was accomplished today. night all |
| 06:52.18 | rwhitby | let's try a wrapper script |
| 06:52.19 | destinal | rwhitby: does doom have params? |
| 06:52.19 | hborders | jarques: worky. thanks |
| 06:52.31 | rwhitby | remember to rescan |
| 06:52.35 | destinal | maybe we can specify where the wad is |
| 06:53.38 | rwhitby | bingo |
| 06:54.27 | destinal | rwhitby: script or params? |
| 06:54.48 | rwhitby | destinal: script |
| 06:54.52 | zsoc|away | stop fixing things so quick i can't keep up |
| 06:54.57 | rwhitby | cd ... ; ./quake |
| 06:55.22 | rwhitby | gentlemen, we have native launch |
| 06:55.49 | destinal | rwhitby: so all that work on upstart wasn't needed for this (not that it's not useful for other things) |
| 06:55.51 | destinal | :) |
| 06:55.57 | dtzWill | :D |
| 06:56.05 | dtzWill | rwhitby: congrats :D |
| 06:56.09 | jacques | rwhitby: so we can launch native apps by sending a message(?) to lunasysmgr(?) |
| 06:56.20 | destinal | rwhitby: I had this feeling about appinfo.json (remembering type = web) |
| 06:56.29 | rwhitby | jacques: type = game in appinfo (found by destinal) |
| 06:56.46 | jacques | heh, that type really says something. |
| 06:56.50 | rwhitby | jacques: main = relative path in appinfo (found by PmLogCtl on LunaSysMgr |
| 06:56.59 | jacques | maybe palm does care about games |
| 06:57.01 | jacques | ;-) |
| 06:57.02 | dtzWill | yeah it really does indicate some rather exciting things :) |
| 06:57.23 | dtzWill | well not /just/ games, native could help in a number of departments |
| 06:57.26 | rwhitby | freakout: you around? |
| 06:57.26 | dtzWill | i wonder how they'll play it |
| 06:57.29 | destinal | it also means we'll have non-games using type=game but hehe |
| 06:57.57 | rwhitby | destinal: did you see any other types |
| 06:58.03 | destinal | rwhitby: negative |
| 06:58.22 | destinal | rwhitby: in fact I didn't even find web. I suspect it's just game or anything else at the moment |
| 06:58.25 | JackieRipper | good morning |
| 06:58.52 | rwhitby | destinal: no, I think web is required, cause we used to use that for ipkg section and things stopped working |
| 06:59.05 | rwhitby | JackieRipper: g/day |
| 06:59.15 | destinal | hmmm, well the string wasn't near the others |
| 06:59.20 | destinal | so maybe it's elsewhere |
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| 06:59.43 | rwhitby | 2010-01-03T02:42:11.204528Z [930] palm-webos-device user.notice LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: int IpcServer::launchNativeProcess(const std::string&, const char*, char* const*, int): Process org.webosinternals.sdlquake (/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.sdlquake/quake.sh) launched with pid: 1781 |
| 06:59.53 | rwhitby | that's where the script is launched |
| 07:00.02 | rwhitby | 2010-01-03T02:42:13.784271Z [933] palm-webos-device user.warning LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: virtual void IpcServer::clientConnected(int, const std::string&, PIpcChannel*) (69): Client connected org.webosinternals.sdlquake (1782) |
| 07:00.11 | destinal | I'm interested in these unknown properties in appinfo: mimeTypes appsize requiredMemory transparent attributes launchPointId params |
| 07:00.18 | dtzWill | might have to make quake easier to make it less frustrating haha |
| 07:00.20 | rwhitby | 2010-01-03T02:42:17.472930Z [936] palm-webos-device user.notice LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: void IpcClientHost::onPrepareAddWindow(int, int, int) (85): Attached to shared buffer with key: 98307, width: 320, height: 480 |
| 07:00.33 | dtzWill | rwhitby: ooo |
| 07:00.45 | rwhitby | 2010-01-03T02:42:17.473358Z [936] palm-webos-device user.warning LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: MemoryWatcher: Monitored native process # 1782 exceeded its memory quota. ProcMem = 3, restriction = 0, violation count = 0 |
| 07:01.24 | destinal | rwhitby: also, you know all the work we did on ipkgservice and confirmation? kind of redundant now, well, only if someone actually launches the new icon |
| 07:01.44 | destinal | you can have that mount -o remount,rw; rm -rf / app you always wanted |
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| 07:02.17 | destinal | s/nt/nt \// |
| 07:03.16 | destinal | further, we don't actually need any of the advanced homebrew stuff |
| 07:03.28 | rwhitby | destinal: blasphemy |
| 07:03.37 | destinal | we could just have firstuse scripts of type game that fixup the appinfo.json after use |
| 07:03.51 | rwhitby | destinal: are you thinking what I'm thinking? |
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| 07:04.06 | destinal | palm-install preware? |
| 07:04.11 | rwhitby | PREWARE INSTALLER IN APP CATALOG |
| 07:04.19 | destinal | hehe |
| 07:04.25 | JackieRipper | is it me or is this a major security flaw? |
| 07:04.30 | destinal | they'll probably deny it but why not |
| 07:04.44 | destinal | at very least palm-install preware saves us the trouble of devmode |
| 07:04.46 | JackieRipper | oops, I missed destinal pointing that out |
| 07:04.57 | destinal | errr of a root launcher I mean |
| 07:05.31 | destinal | no need for an installer if you have sdk or filecoaster |
| 07:05.39 | egaudet | so we can run anything out of a normal ipk now |
| 07:05.45 | destinal | egaudet: yup |
| 07:06.11 | egaudet | and security goes out the window |
| 07:06.27 | destinal | egaudet: well, it puts us on level ground with windows mobile |
| 07:06.41 | destinal | if you download and run malware, so sorry, total pwnage |
| 07:06.51 | egaudet | lol |
| 07:07.10 | destinal | I figured this was basically inevitable for games |
| 07:07.18 | destinal | unless they signed them and validated at runtime |
| 07:07.25 | egaudet | yea |
| 07:07.50 | jacques | LunaSysMgr definitely runs game type native apps as root? |
| 07:07.52 | egaudet | well we can get Preware to remain installed/usable after a webos doctor now |
| 07:08.21 | destinal | jacques: I can't see it working any other way but have not confirmed euid |
| 07:08.45 | destinal | egaudet: how's that? |
| 07:08.58 | jacques | there is a games user in /etc/passwd ;-) |
| 07:09.12 | destinal | jacques: I think that's standard OE |
| 07:09.29 | jacques | yeah I was half-way joking :-) |
| 07:10.32 | egaudet | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:10.37 | destinal | egaudet: and regarding total pwnage, palm intends for you to only be downloading catalog apps, which mitigates the downloading malware issue for aunt minnie |
| 07:11.00 | destinal | we homebrew users will just have to watch out |
| 07:11.10 | egaudet | destinal, what are they going to do for trust? |
| 07:11.15 | jacques | there's always the doctor |
| 07:11.20 | egaudet | People will submit closed binaries to the app cat |
| 07:11.41 | destinal | egaudet: probably revoke offenders after the fact |
| 07:11.54 | egaudet | still a little scary |
| 07:11.54 | destinal | and we have no idea what their plans are to start accepting games |
| 07:11.58 | egaudet | yea |
| 07:12.09 | destinal | we should start submitting games though |
| 07:12.12 | destinal | see what happens |
| 07:12.27 | rwhitby | has the cheap registration ended yet? |
| 07:12.44 | rwhitby | BTW, I think out upstart service launches the game quicker ... |
| 07:12.50 | rwhitby | s/out/our/ |
| 07:13.19 | gkatsev | so, was the multiple doom windows support added just because the iphone cant do it? |
| 07:13.29 | rwhitby | gkatsev: of course |
| 07:13.41 | gkatsev | ok. just making sure, lol |
| 07:13.53 | gkatsev | i was thinking, perhaps there is another reason. |
| 07:14.07 | gkatsev | but i guess it's good enough |
| 07:14.10 | destinal | and of course because the app shouldn't be less functional than doing it from command line where you could launch multiple |
| 07:14.27 | rwhitby | heh, can't launch multiple quakes with appinfo type game |
| 07:14.30 | gkatsev | lol |
| 07:14.47 | gkatsev | working on quake on the pre now? |
| 07:14.47 | destinal | rwhitby: I'm sure that's a feature :) |
| 07:15.31 | rwhitby | Palm @ CES: "Look, we can launch Quake with an icon!!". Rick in front row: "So what, we can launch *multiple* quakes with icon via upstartmgr!" |
| 07:15.45 | gkatsev | lol |
| 07:15.46 | jacques | can you launch multiple different processes with type "game" ? |
| 07:15.49 | destinal | and of course there's no reason for game to actually be SDL, you could easily have a "game" that launches a script to do stuff including luna-send to launch a regular mojo app once ready |
| 07:16.21 | gkatsev | would porting dos box to webos be feasible? |
| 07:16.44 | destinal | gkatsev: probably very easy |
| 07:17.08 | gkatsev | destinal: cuz bumpy's arcade fantasy seems like a great game to have tilt controls. |
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| 07:17.21 | gkatsev | of course, it might be easier to just recreate the game, lol |
| 07:17.47 | gkatsev | ooh, port MAME to webos? |
| 07:18.39 | destinal | :) it's just a linux box now |
| 07:19.09 | destinal | so long as your app is SDL, alsa, etc you're set |
| 07:19.13 | gkatsev | actually, yeah, you could probably install dosbox on it as is. just need a front end |
| 07:20.45 | gkatsev | and probably the same for MAME, actually. |
| 07:21.15 | gkatsev | heh, MAME on the pre and then the pre will have largest collection of games compared to other mobile platforms, lol |
| 07:22.11 | gkatsev | what other games are being ported to webos? |
| 07:23.35 | destinal | gkatsev: I was playing with ScummVM but I ran out of space on my chroot |
| 07:23.49 | destinal | looks like it should be very easy |
| 07:24.11 | gkatsev | cool |
| 07:24.27 | destinal | i feel kind of bad calling ./configure && make "porting" :) |
| 07:24.40 | rwhitby | destinal: well, we still have 30 hours to keep to the 1 game every 2 days pace ... |
| 07:24.53 | gkatsev | heh, "port" dosbox, mame and scummvm and webos will truly beat the iphone in terms of gaming, lol |
| 07:24.53 | destinal | rwhitby: I think we'll pick up that pace dramatically |
| 07:25.15 | destinal | only question is, upstart method or official method going forward |
| 07:25.35 | gkatsev | destinal: whats the official method? |
| 07:25.44 | gkatsev | the way regular apps are launched? |
| 07:25.52 | destinal | gkatsev: you just set type=game and main=path to binary |
| 07:26.12 | destinal | it's the palm official method that we figured out digging through lunasysmgr |
| 07:26.19 | gkatsev | heh |
| 07:26.30 | freakout | rwhitby: what'd I miss? |
| 07:26.51 | rwhitby | freakout: appinfo, type=game, main=path |
| 07:26.52 | rwhitby | boom |
| 07:27.05 | gkatsev | this is why even if it was cheaper (plan wise) to get an iphone, id probably stick with webos anyway. |
| 07:27.22 | freakout | oho. intriguing |
| 07:27.24 | gkatsev | probably shouldve switched to wifi before installing quake, lol |
| 07:27.47 | destinal | freakout: no more upstart hacks required, we figured out what is apparently the right way |
| 07:28.19 | freakout | is reading the scrollback now... |
| 07:28.32 | destinal | freakout: unfortunately any ipkg you install and then run could run commands as root |
| 07:28.38 | rwhitby | freakout: I found "native" looking at strings in LunaSysMgr. destinal later found "game". I remembered PmLogCtl, and tried type=game, then saw index.html trying to be executed. I changed index.html to bin/quake, but it didn't work. Put in a wrapper script to set the CWD correctly, and bingo. |
| 07:29.13 | destinal | rwhitby: I'd been saying for a long time it was going to be appinfo.json, I think nobody believed me :) |
| 07:29.14 | freakout | So this is how Palm intends to do games themselves, eh? |
| 07:29.24 | destinal | freakout: I'm sure it's how need for speed works |
| 07:29.36 | Jack87 | gkatsev: dtzWill is hard at work on quake |
| 07:30.05 | gkatsev | looks great |
| 07:30.28 | rwhitby | wow, a fileCoaster resurgence |
| 07:30.32 | destinal | we always knew that the startup technique was a workaround until we figured out the supported launch method |
| 07:30.43 | destinal | I didn't bet on it being so soon though |
| 07:31.20 | gkatsev | ooh, v1.0.1 for gdial pro |
| 07:31.27 | Jack87 | gkatsev: not playable yet but soon enough |
| 07:31.48 | freakout | So - would this also mean potentially *any* native Linux app could be launched if you set type=game? |
| 07:32.14 | destinal | freakout: yes but well, if you want to see it on the screen it needs to be SDL-based |
| 07:32.39 | gkatsev | ooh, that means that we could get vlc working, no? |
| 07:32.39 | rwhitby | freakout: I'll have a post up soon for you to reference |
| 07:32.46 | freakout | *nodnod* |
| 07:32.49 | freakout | rwhitby: cool |
| 07:32.54 | destinal | gkatsev: compiling dosbox now |
| 07:32.55 | gkatsev | or mplayer? since it can output to sdl? |
| 07:33.40 | gkatsev | destinal: cool. the next step after we get all these "ported" would be to add tilt controls. no clue how easy or hard or where to start with that. |
| 07:33.41 | xcomp | is sad that he can't run quake still |
| 07:34.02 | destinal | gkatsev: well for tilt controls the accelerometer is a joystick in SDL |
| 07:34.12 | gkatsev | so exciting. 1.3.5 was a nice christmas/newyear present |
| 07:34.19 | dtzWill | xcomp: i'm sorry about that; the same binary works for others and i don't have any immediate ideas, unfortunately |
| 07:34.22 | gkatsev | destinal: so, not that hard? |
| 07:34.47 | destinal | gkatsev: it should be pretty easy. |
| 07:34.51 | gkatsev | cool |
| 07:35.15 | xcomp | dtzWill: do you get this? FindFile: can't find gfx/pop.lmp |
| 07:35.28 | gkatsev | im gonna have the whole of next week free. so, ill definitely be able to help with w/e |
| 07:35.29 | xcomp | when you run it |
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| 07:37.29 | Robi_ | I think I'm gonna have to doctor this phone |
| 07:37.54 | Robi_ | otherwise it's a hw issue |
| 07:38.06 | Robi_ | but first how to back it up properly |
| 07:38.07 | JackieRipper | gkatsev: mplayer has a sdl flag in gentoo's portage, so I'd assume yes |
| 07:38.48 | gkatsev | JackieRipper: well, even standard mplayer, has the -vo sdl. or something like that, or outputting video to sdl |
| 07:38.51 | destinal | someone also wrote an sdl-vnc but it looks to be ancient |
| 07:39.31 | gkatsev | how do i add the alpha/testing feed to preware? |
| 07:39.36 | destinal | non-sdl software could be ported to use an sdl-based framebuffer, probably not hard for those who are better at developing graphics applications than I am |
| 07:42.26 | destinal | Robi_: you could always just tar up everything to /media/internal and copy it off over scp or USB |
| 07:43.21 | Robi_ | destinal: yea I was thinking rsync |
| 07:43.40 | Robi_ | but tgz has it's purpose |
| 07:43.55 | Robi_ | i'm also not sure I want all the cruft I have in there now |
| 07:44.16 | tmzt | destinal: non-sdl? |
| 07:44.18 | Robi_ | just the good stuff like contacts/records of calls, and contact groupings |
| 07:44.28 | Robi_ | and apps |
| 07:44.41 | destinal | tmzt: well you'd be porting non-sdl app to sdl and then to pre |
| 07:44.49 | tmzt | a right |
| 07:44.59 | xcomp | i'm pretty sure you can compile mplayer with only sdl output available |
| 07:44.59 | tmzt | unless it's dfb or something similar I wouldn't try |
| 07:45.11 | destinal | right, I was thinking dfb especially |
| 07:45.20 | tmzt | still waiting on the X port :) |
| 07:45.31 | tmzt | not the rootless one, just a simple fb |
| 07:45.33 | xcomp | now ... an SDL X server |
| 07:45.40 | destinal | tmzt: I'm still building natively on my pre, do you have any idea how long that would take to compile? :) |
| 07:45.44 | tmzt | like, Xephyr based mamybe |
| 07:45.46 | gkatsev | anyway, need to get to sleep. good night and good luck |
| 07:45.54 | tmzt | once ported? |
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| 07:45.56 | tmzt | oh |
| 07:46.04 | tmzt | did you try distcc as some suggested? |
| 07:46.07 | destinal | tmzt: I need to start using distcc |
| 07:46.09 | destinal | not yet |
| 07:46.18 | tmzt | also, sbox2 |
| 07:46.24 | tmzt | but it's really debian focused |
| 07:46.31 | jmyaonpalmpre | what's up guys? damn I figured everyone was sleeping |
| 07:46.57 | destinal | at this rate dosbox will take forever to build |
| 07:47.09 | gkatsev | destinal: are you building on the pre? |
| 07:47.28 | destinal | gkatsev: yes |
| 07:47.41 | Robi_ | time for a shower while the tgz runs |
| 07:47.43 | gkatsev | wouldnt it be faster to build on the emulator? |
| 07:48.09 | destinal | gkatsev: yes but the emulator is x86, I don't see the point there |
| 07:48.19 | gkatsev | ah, ok |
| 07:48.34 | gkatsev | well, i guess you could do cross-compile, but i guess thats annoying |
| 07:48.56 | destinal | gkatsev: well, it's somewhat challenging with things that use autoconf |
| 07:49.10 | destinal | I'd have to change tests around |
| 07:49.19 | gkatsev | ok. havent done cross-compiling ever, so... idk. |
| 07:49.33 | gkatsev | anyway, off to sleep. gl with dosbox, let me know how it goes. |
| 07:49.39 | destinal | k, good night |
| 07:49.50 | tmzt | gl for what? |
| 07:50.10 | gkatsev | gl = goodluck |
| 07:50.34 | xcomp | that it is |
| 07:51.37 | jacques | the cool thing about distcc is you can run the configure and link native, but the object compiles cross |
| 07:51.43 | freakout | so, rwhitby, destinal - reading back on that it appears these native launches don't work in cards? |
| 07:52.17 | rwhitby | freakout: quake launches in a card |
| 07:52.24 | freakout | <rwhitby> 2010-01-03T02:38:05.967041Z [685] palm-webos-device user.notice LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: int IpcServer::launchNativeProcess(const std::string&, const char*, char* const*, int): Process org.webosinternals.sdlquake (/media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.sdlquake/bin/quake) launched with pid: 1770 |
| 07:52.24 | freakout | <rwhitby> but no card |
| 07:52.37 | rwhitby | freakout: read further |
| 07:52.40 | freakout | heh |
| 07:52.45 | jacques | I think that was before he figured it out |
| 07:53.01 | xcomp | feels left out, pouts |
| 07:53.16 | jmyaonpalmpre | has there been progress with quake besides running demo? |
| 07:53.28 | jacques | rwhitby: where does ipkg-opt come from ? I don't see it in git.webos-internals.org |
| 07:53.39 | rwhitby | jacques: optware |
| 07:53.45 | xcomp | jacques: "Advanced command line installer foo" |
| 07:53.47 | rwhitby | optware/bootstrap |
| 07:54.11 | rwhitby | jacques: I just unpack the ipkg from optware, and repackage it for the Pre |
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| 07:54.52 | jacques | ok I see http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Setting_up_optware_feed |
| 07:54.55 | destinal | hmm, my pre apparently didn't like compiling things, it froze, restarted, and now won't boot up , even after battery pull :( |
| 07:55.21 | freakout | oooh. bpadalino: do i read that right? You got an opengles object onscreen? |
| 07:55.50 | jacques | hmm, normally I would say OOM except for the "won't boot" thing :-\ |
| 07:56.04 | destinal | freakout: yes and I ran his demo, can confirm it works |
| 07:56.14 | freakout | destinal: nice! |
| 07:56.23 | freakout | destinal: now where's the port of GLQuake? :p |
| 07:56.56 | jacques | destinal: what does it do when you replace battery and turn it on? |
| 07:56.57 | destinal | ack, I think maybe I have to doctor... |
| 07:57.32 | KEYofR | anyone know how to log in to undernet with wicd when undernet requires the /quote pass #### before full connect, yet wicd just says "not connected" when I try to send the command. btw _this_ is exactly one of the reasons I meant the other day when I said there are reasons to use bitchx still and that it's dump and sweeping to simply say "wicd is better period" |
| 07:57.43 | rwhitby | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2125044 |
| 07:58.06 | freakout | rwhitby: cool bananas |
| 07:59.03 | jacques | rwhitby: didn't you mean "We *think* we have discovered the official method ..." ? |
| 07:59.07 | jacques | ;-) |
| 07:59.39 | rwhitby | jacques: fixed |
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| 07:59.53 | hborders | does the iphone user agent spoofer thing still work? |
| 07:59.55 | freakout | ugh. geez I hate thinking up headlines sometimes |
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| 08:00.26 | jmyaonpalmpre | rwhitby :do you guys ever sleep........I'm thankful you don't or my pre wouldn't be as cool |
| 08:00.41 | rwhitby | freakout: "Palm announces webOS Native SDK" |
| 08:00.46 | freakout | lol |
| 08:00.53 | freakout | "....it's Linux, stupid" |
| 08:02.27 | jmyaonpalmpre | you can use zsoc line from earlier "we're hacks extroidaner" without spelling errors of course |
| 08:02.39 | jmyaonpalmpre | hackers** |
| 08:02.54 | rwhitby | freakout: "Is this Palm's webOS Native SDK?" |
| 08:03.24 | freakout | oh, that's good. I had "Native webOS App Launching Secrets Uncovered" but it wasn't rolling off the tongue right... |
| 08:03.51 | jacques | see palm is taking cues from google. they announced the SDK, but in the way of a complex puzzle which only webos hackers extraordinaire could decipher |
| 08:03.53 | rwhitby | wonders whether to tweet now, just to scoop freakout |
| 08:03.58 | freakout | lol |
| 08:03.59 | freakout | go ahead |
| 08:04.09 | freakout | It's Precentral I'm more concerned with :p |
| 08:04.15 | freakout | (as usual) |
| 08:04.33 | freakout | Derek Kessler told me off on Twitter for "worrying about what other sites are doing" |
| 08:04.45 | freakout | which, of course, makes me enjoy scooping them all the more, heh |
| 08:05.27 | destinal | rwhitby: running doctor.. someone at palm was watch our log and decided to hit "remote nuke destinal's pre" .. ok, probably not :) |
| 08:05.28 | rwhitby | http://bit.ly/we-have-liftoff-palm-native-launch-capability |
| 08:06.12 | rwhitby | freakout: I have room in the tweet for another link ... |
| 08:06.17 | freakout | heheh |
| 08:06.23 | freakout | give me five minutes... |
| 08:06.34 | rwhitby | ok - you do the layman's version ;-) |
| 08:07.01 | destinal | wow, if this doesn't proceed farther than a palm logo even in doctor, I think I have an actual brick here |
| 08:07.13 | egaudet | my phone is at palm logo too |
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| 08:07.18 | egaudet | not going anywhere |
| 08:07.21 | jacques | destinal: I can see engineers at palm looking at the last frantic messages your pre sent before it imploded and saying "what the ... ?" |
| 08:07.49 | rwhitby | starts dinner |
| 08:07.55 | hborders | who's the original tweeter? |
| 08:08.00 | hborders | so I can retweet them |
| 08:08.11 | hborders | i can't follow rwhitby. :( |
| 08:08.27 | jacques | destinal and egaudet this is not a good trend |
| 08:09.05 | destinal | egaudet: were you doing anything CPU intensive or disk intensive like compiling massive programs? |
| 08:09.15 | jacques | did *both* of your phones die while native building? |
| 08:09.28 | egaudet | what option to ps makes it wrap lines instead of cutting them off |
| 08:09.29 | jacques | did you maybe fill up some partition? |
| 08:09.48 | jacques | egaudet: well you could add www |
| 08:09.48 | egaudet | destinal, I was doing a lot of debian chroot stuff. Then I tried to resize2fs when I ran out of room |
| 08:09.55 | jacques | ps -efwww |
| 08:10.08 | destinal | egaudet: that can be pretty disk intensive, yeah |
| 08:10.10 | rwhitby | hborders: @webosinternals |
| 08:10.13 | hborders | k |
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| 08:10.16 | egaudet | but I can novaterm in still |
| 08:10.19 | rwhitby | not done yet |
| 08:10.35 | rwhitby | freakout: make sure you mention how long it took apple and google to release native SDKs ... |
| 08:10.51 | freakout | ha! but of course... |
| 08:11.03 | jacques | egaudet: see anything strange? any partitions at 99-100% utilization? |
| 08:11.12 | egaudet | root 1027 1 4 00:17 ? 00:00:49 /bin/sh -e -c # Wait here until the bus is ready. Folks waiting on me to?# "start" won't get that event until this script finishes?while :; do? # look for ports 4444 and 4445 opened; means the busses are listening? grep -q '00000000:115C' /proc/net/tcp \? && grep -q '00000000:115D' /proc/net/tcp \? && break? usleep 10000?done ? /bin/sh dbus_system |
| 08:11.17 | jacques | destinal: can you novaterm in? |
| 08:11.34 | destinal | jacques: negative, and doctor doesn't work |
| 08:11.42 | destinal | never get the flashing palm logo on start |
| 08:11.46 | egaudet | destinal, not even from recovery mode |
| 08:11.53 | destinal | egaudet: correct |
| 08:12.09 | destinal | just booted recovery, it switched from usb logo to palm logo then freeze |
| 08:12.09 | jacques | destinal: you removed battery, wait, replace battery, plug into USB while holding volume up ? |
| 08:12.22 | jacques | hmm |
| 08:13.33 | freakout | rwhitby: quick explanation of your wrapper script for Dummies? |
| 08:13.50 | oil | its a script that wraps things |
| 08:14.08 | freakout | lol |
| 08:14.10 | freakout | okay |
| 08:14.24 | freakout | let's raise it from "Dummies" to "bloggers" |
| 08:14.46 | freakout | I have the beginnings of a sentence.... |
| 08:14.52 | rwhitby | freakout: irrelevant - just a way to make sure we had done a 'cd' to the right directory before running the program |
| 08:14.59 | egaudet | since you need to be in the directory that contains the .wad |
| 08:15.13 | egaudet | ok my Pre is back up now after another reboot |
| 08:15.15 | rwhitby | #!/bin/sh |
| 08:15.15 | rwhitby | cd /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.sdlquake/bin |
| 08:15.16 | rwhitby | ./quake |
| 08:15.18 | rwhitby | 3 lines |
| 08:15.24 | freakout | "So how's it done? Rather simply, actually. All a developer needs to do is install the binary files and include a standard <I>appinfo.json</I> file that tells webOS everything about a particular app. By setting the type to "game" and pointing to a binary file, rather than your typical "index.html" |
| 08:15.37 | rwhitby | yep |
| 08:15.40 | Decimate | i see a post of quake on engadget working |
| 08:15.42 | freakout | yada yada |
| 08:15.49 | Decimate | but the version in preware is a demo :/ |
| 08:15.52 | Decimate | am i missing something? |
| 08:16.02 | dtzWill | Decimate: i'm working on it now fwiw idk anything about engadget |
| 08:16.14 | dtzWill | it's so close to wkring; just need a good control scheme |
| 08:16.25 | dtzWill | Decimate: grab it from http://wdtz.org/files/sdlquake if you want an updated binary |
| 08:16.33 | tmzt | freakout: woah |
| 08:16.35 | EdLin | dtzWill: "WSDF"? |
| 08:16.56 | EdLin | er, WASD |
| 08:16.59 | freakout | tmzt: "woah" good or "woah" bad |
| 08:17.12 | rwhitby | Decimate: it's via http://www.everythingpre.com/blog/quake-next-3d-shooter-ported-to-palm-pre/2010/01/02/ |
| 08:17.18 | rwhitby | from our youtube channel |
| 08:17.22 | tmzt | freakout: good |
| 08:17.22 | Decimate | oh |
| 08:17.29 | dtzWill | EdLin: it's in landscape, and there's lots more to control unfortunately |
| 08:17.29 | Decimate | beautiful |
| 08:17.31 | freakout | lol |
| 08:17.38 | freakout | everythingpre's "via" was PIC |
| 08:17.40 | dtzWill | how to aim, move, shoot, jump, run, change weapons :( |
| 08:18.01 | EdLin | dtzWill: shoot make that space or orange |
| 08:18.02 | Decimate | can any of the controls take advantage of the accelerometer? |
| 08:18.03 | rwhitby | freakout: make sure you put http://youtube.com/webosinternals and twitter @webosinternals in there somewhere ;-) |
| 08:18.20 | Decimate | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:18.20 | rwhitby | maybe the IRC channel too ;-) |
| 08:18.23 | freakout | i think something can be arranged |
| 08:18.33 | EdLin | dtzWill: or do like doom's port and use the touch screen for shooting too |
| 08:18.46 | dtzWill | EdLin: yep have that |
| 08:18.58 | jmyaonpalmpre | wheres freakouts article going? |
| 08:19.05 | dtzWill | EdLin: actually right now have touchscreen control aiming, zone on bottom for shooting, and jump in the upper corner |
| 08:19.19 | dtzWill | so the touchscreen gets some good use :) |
| 08:19.22 | EdLin | sounds good |
| 08:19.40 | dtzWill | but yeah lots of work on making it better today--hope to get a beta out soon |
| 08:20.24 | EdLin | dtzWill: thanks. :) |
| 08:21.06 | jacques | destinal: any update on your pre? |
| 08:21.16 | Robi_ | wtf the palm just rebooted on its own |
| 08:23.14 | oil | rwhitby: so palm had methods for launching these things from icons already? |
| 08:23.27 | Robi_ | thinks bad hardware |
| 08:23.50 | EdLin | Robi_: mine's done that at least twice, it happens. |
| 08:24.16 | Robi_ | EdLin: together with a non working keyboard and other odd behavior.. |
| 08:24.18 | EdLin | Robi_: less often than my Centro. :-) |
| 08:24.35 | EdLin | Robi_: oh, nm then. Take advantage of Palm's 1 year warrenty. |
| 08:24.38 | Robi_ | i'm getting a diff one tomorrow |
| 08:24.46 | Robi_ | er later today |
| 08:24.52 | Robi_ | since it's passed midnight |
| 08:25.00 | EdLin | hope you have better luck with your new one. |
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| 08:26.18 | EdLin | Robi_: don't forget to webos doctor it before turning it in for warranty repairs. |
| 08:26.24 | Decimate | dtzWill: how long have you been around webos-internals. i don't check here as much as i used to but i havent seen you before 1.3.5..just curious. |
| 08:26.26 | freakout | rwhitby, destinal: how does this sound? Based on <I>this</I> new information, Palm's native webOS SDK may turn out to be nothing more complex than the standard tools that desktop developers have been using for <I>decades</I>, with their patches to SDL automatically forcing the correct resolution and input settings for a handheld device. |
| 08:26.35 | destinal | oil: yes, you had to figure that with the native app support stuff they had in 1.3.5 that native apps using the standard ipk, appinfo.json stuff would probably be possible |
| 08:26.52 | oil | right, i figured as much |
| 08:27.06 | oil | (which is why i was against adding the launching ability right to preware) |
| 08:27.18 | oil | but you guys figured it out? |
| 08:27.39 | destinal | ooh, the new doctor doesn't have the flash logo, it has a linux console screen? |
| 08:27.41 | dtzWill | Decimate: nope just kinda jumped in :) |
| 08:27.50 | dtzWill | Decimate: don't worry you didn't forget me or anything |
| 08:27.52 | Robi_ | EdLin: i've had decent luck so far, it's been 7-8months |
| 08:28.10 | Robi_ | yeah was planing on a doctor to see if it resolves any issues |
| 08:28.11 | Decimate | dtzWill: okay, making sure. nice work though :) |
| 08:28.20 | dtzWill | ty ty |
| 08:28.41 | jacques | lol: "Anyway I'm disappointed that they didn't skip q1 and go for q3 this day and age" |
| 08:28.43 | EdLin | Robi_: I was refering to using Doctor to keep Palm from voiding your warranty because you patched it / ran unapproved appps |
| 08:28.56 | destinal | I'm doctoring now, I have no idea what died on my pre, maybe filling up /var, but that really shouldn't |
| 08:29.04 | destinal | cause that sort of problem |
| 08:29.20 | jacques | destinal: how did you get it to doctor? |
| 08:29.36 | dtzWill | rwhitby-pre: yt? |
| 08:29.55 | destinal | jacques: had to use another system, I think virtualbox was confusing my usb subsystem, or my novacom service on windows 7 was misbehaving |
| 08:30.10 | destinal | connected it to my linux laptop and doctoring there, all is well |
| 08:30.13 | jacques | destinal: phew! |
| 08:30.17 | Robi_ | EdLin: i dont think they'd find out anyhow, its the sprint store ppl |
| 08:30.38 | destinal | but the 1.3.5 doctor doesn't display a logo while flashing, it shows text scrolling as things run on the pre to prepare it |
| 08:30.46 | Decimate | sprint store people are usually familar with homebrew Robi_ |
| 08:30.59 | *** join/#webos-internals antianalog (n=james@99-11-196-244.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net) |
| 08:30.59 | jacques | destinal: interesting. I hadn't heard that |
| 08:31.02 | EdLin | Robi_: true, I had USBModem and everything on my Palm Centro when I brought it to Sprint. Forgot to erase the tether app. :P |
| 08:31.17 | Robi_ | that's fine it'll be doctored as soon as I verify my backup |
| 08:31.37 | Decimate | the guy at the local sprint store was surprised to see that precorder was avaliable to others for alpha testing because he was still doing it via command line :P |
| 08:31.48 | Robi_ | ;] |
| 08:32.04 | Robi_ | it's not like he isn't bored and can't come here |
| 08:32.17 | Robi_ | ON his Pre |
| 08:32.26 | Robi_ | wIRC ftw! |
| 08:32.34 | oil | srsly |
| 08:32.40 | dtzWill | jacques: lol q3 |
| 08:32.43 | freakout | so how long did it take Google to throw up the NDK for android? |
| 08:32.49 | jmyaonpalmpre | is using wIRC laying in bed |
| 08:32.50 | Robi_ | ok yanked batt and palm logo is flashing this time |
| 08:32.51 | Decimate | preware, youview, wirc, precorder |
| 08:32.56 | Decimate | my favorite homebrew apps :) |
| 08:33.06 | Decimate | oh, and doom! :) |
| 08:33.12 | jacques | dtzWill: some ppl will complain about anything |
| 08:33.12 | antianalog | have to check out youview, don't have it |
| 08:33.16 | Robi_ | whats youview? |
| 08:33.26 | Decimate | visual voicemail app. |
| 08:33.35 | Robi_ | heh |
| 08:33.36 | Decimate | way better than googles visual voicemail imo |
| 08:33.45 | antianalog | o i have google voice activated so i get visual voicemail |
| 08:34.09 | Decimate | individual greetings for each contact, immediatly alerted when someone leaves a voicemail. |
| 08:34.14 | Decimate | gives a lot of detail |
| 08:34.14 | Robi_ | ya i have a gvoice tab along my gmail tab |
| 08:34.30 | antianalog | Decimate, sounds cool |
| 08:34.40 | antianalog | i like how gvoice looks like gmail on the web |
| 08:34.45 | destinal | rwhitby: have you run a 135 doctor yet? have you noticed that it's quite verbose? |
| 08:35.23 | destinal | on the pre I mean |
| 08:35.24 | Robi_ | ok so it booted |
| 08:35.25 | Robi_ | no keyb |
| 08:35.35 | Robi_ | I hit it a few times and keyb started working |
| 08:35.44 | Robi_ | psh! |
| 08:36.40 | destinal | Robi_: lol, loose connection inside? |
| 08:36.41 | KEYofR | I have not managed to get mytether to work _once_ and I even paid for the fuller up to datest version. grr. closest I came was one day for about an hour, and I had to manually re-write the routing table and resolv.conf , and I was never able to duplicate a functional usbnet or wifi adhoc connection even doing it manually. |
| 08:37.05 | oil | KEYofR if you paid for it, get help from the developer |
| 08:37.16 | KEYofR | I have never yet bothered the author though for help, which presumably would make a difference |
| 08:37.18 | Robi_ | KEYofR: ya it worked for me a few times but enver when i needed it |
| 08:37.50 | antianalog | i enabled usbnet and followed the tut on webos-internals as well as one from the forums |
| 08:37.54 | Robi_ | freetether work yet? |
| 08:37.58 | antianalog | don't use mytether |
| 08:38.04 | antianalog | i just tether |
| 08:38.22 | Robi_ | its easy to make shell script to do it in terminal |
| 08:38.48 | destinal | Robi_: or just add it to startup scripts |
| 08:38.59 | *** part/#webos-internals ameng|home (n=fm@221.220.207.249) |
| 08:39.01 | Robi_ | permatether? |
| 08:39.07 | *** join/#webos-internals EdsPre (n=wIRCer@securabit/listener/edlin) |
| 08:39.13 | Robi_ | doesn't wifi have to be off? |
| 08:39.15 | Jack87 | can someone start a quake wiki i am not sure how to start one. then the rest i can do. just need the page and title |
| 08:39.37 | dtzWill | Jack87: on it |
| 08:39.42 | *** part/#webos-internals EdsPre (n=wIRCer@securabit/listener/edlin) |
| 08:40.12 | Robi_ | great now I cant ssh in |
| 08:40.55 | destinal | and doctor freeze at 66? sigh |
| 08:41.13 | destinal | s/66/66%/ |
| 08:42.15 | *** join/#webos-internals Domingan (n=wIRCer@c-67-177-6-61.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 08:42.40 | freakout | post is up... |
| 08:42.40 | freakout | http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10016/palms-native-webos-app-secrets-revealed/ |
| 08:43.01 | Robi_ | wow tgz is about a gig |
| 08:43.33 | freakout | rwhitby: linked to your twitter in there :) |
| 08:43.44 | KEYofR | Yeah you're right, it's silly. I don't need a tethering app when I know how to do everything directly. |
| 08:44.02 | tmzt | right |
| 08:44.04 | destinal | 66% is modem firmware reflash, eh? |
| 08:44.07 | Robi_ | KEYofR: it's nice to have one visually ;] |
| 08:44.44 | Robi_ | flick flick click and you're done |
| 08:44.51 | jacques | destinal: I recall something about if it freezes there wait 10 minutes before proceeding |
| 08:45.14 | jmyaonpalmpre | iphone a year and andriod 2 lol I love that!!!!!!! |
| 08:45.30 | tmzt | destinal: are they flashing over serial? |
| 08:45.35 | KEYofR | take a little while to get a good working script together especially for wifi but, at least theres no mystery then. and I don't mind terminal for ui ;) |
| 08:45.37 | tmzt | is it ts muxed at that point? |
| 08:45.51 | oil | yeah freakout, that was a nice touch |
| 08:45.52 | tmzt | interesting, then we may be able to talk to qcsbl |
| 08:45.56 | *** join/#webos-internals ameng|home (n=fm@221.220.207.249) |
| 08:46.12 | rwhitby | freakout: no youtube link? |
| 08:46.35 | Robi_ | holy moly |
| 08:46.37 | freakout | Hmmm |
| 08:46.48 | Robi_ | so no need for a terminal app, just run xterm ? ;] |
| 08:46.51 | oil | well crap |
| 08:46.53 | Robi_ | well w/o X |
| 08:47.00 | Robi_ | screen for instance |
| 08:47.04 | oil | when freakout goes into the army, who are we going to have make news postings for us? |
| 08:47.10 | freakout | lol |
| 08:47.25 | freakout | precentral. they'll just be slow on the uptake :p |
| 08:47.27 | oil | someone needs to get on precentrals writing staff or something |
| 08:47.33 | freakout | lol |
| 08:47.39 | Robi_ | upstart |
| 08:47.42 | freakout | that could be me. Dieter offered me a job again the other day |
| 08:47.42 | rwhitby | tweet out |
| 08:47.53 | oil | i bet if rwhitby asked to write articles for pc |
| 08:47.56 | oil | dieter would let him |
| 08:48.00 | KEYofR | ... in other news you don't care about... I need to tell the cook at this diner that the eggs in eggs benedict are poached, not fried |
| 08:48.04 | Robi_ | dangit rwhitby I can't RT that |
| 08:48.08 | Robi_ | it's too long |
| 08:48.14 | Robi_ | by 13 chars |
| 08:48.25 | freakout | heh. layman's version, rwhitby? i like it |
| 08:49.03 | rwhitby | I thought the new RT api allowed full 140 chars |
| 08:49.13 | Robi_ | IF I were using that crap |
| 08:49.20 | dtzWill | rwhitby: i just pushed a beta of sdlquake, i hope i did it right. any way to monitor the autobuilder? :) |
| 08:49.28 | dtzWill | or just hit refresh in preware a bunch |
| 08:49.29 | dtzWill | haha |
| 08:49.34 | Robi_ | apps still do it the old fashioned way |
| 08:49.37 | rwhitby | dtzWill: logs.nslu2-linux.org |
| 08:49.41 | destinal | jacques: so I foolishly restarted my pre at 66%, apparently didn't totally hose up my modem firmware (it shouldn't have been flashing anyway since it's the same version I had) and my pre is alive again |
| 08:49.48 | Robi_ | web twitter does the api RT |
| 08:50.02 | destinal | missing sprint package probably |
| 08:50.10 | KEYofR | oh wow that's right, with the native apps and fb access, no more service+js-front-end for everything that needs more than js. |
| 08:50.42 | KEYofR | (xterm) |
| 08:51.06 | dtzWill | rwhitby: ty |
| 08:51.09 | Robi_ | destinal: rwhitby, what all have you tested running natively? |
| 08:51.11 | oil | service+js is still very useful |
| 08:51.18 | egaudet | anything that is a mojo app that needs native code as well still needs a service |
| 08:51.20 | KEYofR | 'cept it should probably be rxvt or ? is there something lighter yet? |
| 08:52.24 | destinal | egaudet: exactly, since this is *web*os, mojo should always be the default development framework unless one has a good reason to do otherwise |
| 08:52.39 | oil | which is really only games |
| 08:52.45 | jacques | lol fried eggs benedict |
| 08:52.55 | jacques | what's the sauce, mayonaise? |
| 08:52.57 | oil | or things that need more visual elements then what js can provide |
| 08:53.35 | destinal | oil: right. and even some things that we could do with a plugin if we had better docs but we'll be forced to do in SDL because it's a documented framework, I think |
| 08:54.08 | oil | there is no appmenu integration, none of that |
| 08:54.23 | destinal | right |
| 08:54.24 | oil | id be interrested how you would spawn a banner notification or dashboard pane from sdl |
| 08:54.25 | oil | lol |
| 08:54.37 | KEYofR | heh. costarican cook in a NJ diner at 3:53am . I'm lucky it exists in any form |
| 08:54.56 | freakout | is off to make dinner |
| 08:55.02 | destinal | oil: actually using service calls it may be possible to make hybrid apps |
| 08:55.08 | destinal | have a mojo helper for a native program |
| 08:55.09 | oil | right |
| 08:55.20 | oil | not like a plugin were you could put mojo and js right over the top of it |
| 08:55.25 | KEYofR | but the hollandaise does look like it was poured from an envelope as powder a few minutes ago :) |
| 08:55.49 | jacques | :-S |
| 08:56.01 | egaudet | alrighty I'm going to bed |
| 08:56.06 | Domingan | did I read that a new version of quake is out? |
| 08:56.28 | destinal | egaudet: yeah you're right, we should be able to persist preware through a doctor |
| 08:56.32 | oil | but for 3d games and more i think sdl is perfect |
| 08:56.40 | oil | you dont need an app menu |
| 08:56.45 | oil | or any mojo stuff for that |
| 08:56.52 | destinal | but it would need to be a game for that |
| 08:57.07 | KEYofR | I want to see gpu-assisted non-game apps. |
| 08:57.28 | freakout | I want to see the whole UI pushed through the GPU... |
| 08:57.29 | *** join/#webos-internals jack__ (i=483db831@gateway/web/freenode/x-ehxfmcbgoieodxnw) |
| 08:57.32 | rwhitby | dtzWill: done |
| 08:57.39 | rwhitby | bbl (dinner) |
| 08:57.39 | egaudet | we could make a "game" to run the ipkgservice postinst, or a "game" to install it |
| 08:57.40 | dtzWill | rwhitby: yep, testing it now |
| 08:57.46 | dtzWill | rwhitby: shhhhhh i wanna test it before i announce |
| 08:57.48 | dtzWill | also the wiki too |
| 08:57.52 | dtzWill | ;) |
| 08:57.57 | dtzWill | >_> <_< |
| 08:58.11 | dtzWill | unfortunately ipk's don't update through some diff system hehe |
| 08:58.17 | jmyaonpalmpre | updating quake as I text from pre thank you!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:58.42 | ShadeS | quake? |
| 08:58.44 | dtzWill | jmyaonpalmpre: hold on |
| 08:58.45 | dtzWill | ahhh |
| 08:58.45 | dtzWill | haha |
| 08:58.48 | dtzWill | rwhitby: what have you done |
| 08:58.49 | dtzWill | haha |
| 08:58.51 | jmyaonpalmpre | sorrry |
| 08:58.52 | dtzWill | let's hope it works |
| 08:58.56 | oil | same crappy icon? |
| 08:58.57 | oil | lol |
| 08:59.00 | dtzWill | well no i want everyone to see it |
| 08:59.02 | dtzWill | just |
| 08:59.03 | dtzWill | wanna test first |
| 08:59.04 | dtzWill | ;) |
| 08:59.23 | dtzWill | yep |
| 08:59.24 | dtzWill | works :D:D |
| 08:59.34 | rwhitby | dtzWill: "Testing is for Users" - Linus Torvalds |
| 08:59.34 | jmyaonpalmpre | I been watching in background for a while just waiting lol |
| 08:59.41 | oil | lol |
| 08:59.44 | dtzWill | controls might not be obvious but they work decently well |
| 08:59.57 | *** join/#webos-internals Decimation (n=hax-da-h@d192-24-56-160.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 08:59.58 | dtzWill | i spent some time working on them so hopefully they work well for others |
| 08:59.58 | jacques | I don't get this: I have no mount for /opt in my /etc/fstab, yet it is mounted from /var |
| 08:59.59 | Robi_ | hah at reboot pre forgets to auto connect to my wifi ap |
| 08:59.59 | oil | on screen? |
| 09:00.01 | dtzWill | it's hard :( |
| 09:00.06 | jmyaonpalmpre | what are they? |
| 09:00.08 | dtzWill | anyway docs on what they are should be up shortly ish |
| 09:00.25 | rwhitby | dtzWill: let me know when you tweet and I'll RT |
| 09:00.41 | dtzWill | Jack87: updates on the quake docs? :D |
| 09:00.43 | jmyaonpalmpre | ok j forward sym shoot |
| 09:00.46 | Domingan | testing |
| 09:01.07 | jacques | rwhitby: does official optware install still use /etc/fstab for the /opt -> /var/opt mount? |
| 09:01.13 | rwhitby | jacques: nope - upstart |
| 09:01.19 | EdLin | rwhitby: what's your twitter? |
| 09:01.21 | KEYofR | fstab is not the only way thiongs can get mounted, nor is mtab an authoritative source of info on what is mounted. |
| 09:01.22 | Jack87 | working on diagram now |
| 09:01.30 | dtzWill | rwhitby: do you follow me? |
| 09:01.35 | rwhitby | dtzWill: so how do you like our little project release processes? |
| 09:01.40 | rwhitby | @webosinternals |
| 09:01.42 | jmyaonpalmpre | space jump lol |
| 09:01.56 | jacques | rwhitby: OK. but there is no way to use preware to install into my chroot |
| 09:02.08 | *** part/#webos-internals preston (n=wIRCer@69-92-230-20.cpe.cableone.net) |
| 09:02.26 | jmyaonpalmpre | R gives me axe wooooohooooo |
| 09:02.50 | dtzWill | rwhitby: the Makefile autobuild and whatnot? |
| 09:03.00 | dtzWill | rwhitby: works great :D |
| 09:03.22 | jmyaonpalmpre | dtzwill can I look down? |
| 09:03.37 | dtzWill | jmyaonpalmpre: no, but you couldn't easily on q1 |
| 09:03.44 | dtzWill | jmyaonpalmpre: there was q,a |
| 09:03.54 | oil | oh, its still using hte upstart mojo to start it? |
| 09:03.55 | jmyaonpalmpre | Z did it for me...? |
| 09:03.56 | Domingan | crashed it... |
| 09:03.58 | dtzWill | jmyaonpalmpre: but making that work with the mouse, etc, was difficult so isn't part of it for now |
| 09:04.46 | Domingan | reboot to try again... |
| 09:04.52 | jmyaonpalmpre | listen it's the shit no matter what |
| 09:05.03 | Domingan | hell yea$ |
| 09:05.05 | jmyaonpalmpre | It's working good for me |
| 09:05.07 | Jack87 | a and z do look up and down if you really want it |
| 09:05.13 | Domingan | simply amazing |
| 09:05.23 | jmyaonpalmpre | left right yet jack87???? |
| 09:05.32 | *** part/#webos-internals Domingan (n=wIRCer@c-67-177-6-61.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 09:06.10 | oil | thinks it needs a little joystick overlay for movement |
| 09:06.27 | dtzWill | j forward, h/n strafe left-right |
| 09:06.53 | jmyaonpalmpre | o no turning? haven't played for a while? |
| 09:07.52 | dtzWill | jmyaonpalmpre: touchscreen turning |
| 09:08.29 | jmyaonpalmpre | was about to go to sleep.....maybe not |
| 09:09.19 | dtzWill | oh damn i think the binary there is outdated |
| 09:09.30 | dtzWill | there's no jump, upper left corner is supposed to be jump |
| 09:09.34 | dtzWill | bottom is shoot |
| 09:09.55 | jmyaonpalmpre | good thing I don't have classes again unitl 25th ......... |
| 09:09.55 | dtzWill | also if someone is super interface oriented and wants to come up with a better control scheme/overlay/etc let me know |
| 09:10.55 | *** join/#webos-internals Domingan (n=wIRCer@c-67-177-6-61.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 09:11.32 | Domingan | is amazed.... |
| 09:11.52 | Domingan | I wish I had your skills |
| 09:12.12 | Domingan | that is amazing! |
| 09:12.24 | dtzWill | updated binary being pushed, my bad guys |
| 09:12.27 | dtzWill | should be up shortly |
| 09:12.30 | dtzWill | includes jump |
| 09:12.33 | dtzWill | idk how i did that, sorry |
| 09:12.48 | dtzWill | there's a reason i wanted to test before announcing :):) |
| 09:12.51 | Domingan | I have jump.. |
| 09:13.00 | Domingan | its space bar |
| 09:13.01 | dtzWill | Domingan: er you do? |
| 09:13.02 | dtzWill | oh |
| 09:13.06 | dtzWill | no the upper left corner of the screen |
| 09:13.08 | dtzWill | so you can run |
| 09:13.09 | dtzWill | and jump |
| 09:13.23 | dtzWill | otherwise jumping gaps is really really hard |
| 09:13.23 | jmyaonpalmpre | dog just fucked me up |
| 09:13.28 | dtzWill | haha yeah |
| 09:13.31 | dtzWill | kinda hafta play on easy :) |
| 09:13.31 | Domingan | ahhhhh I see |
| 09:13.41 | dtzWill | i might eventually try to make it all easier to compensate for difficult controls |
| 09:13.58 | dtzWill | fwiw jhbn is normal movement, and iuk is same as ihn only /run/ |
| 09:14.01 | jmyaonpalmpre | hook a mouse up on mini usb lol |
| 09:14.11 | Domingan | it crashed on me the first time but its working great now!!!! |
| 09:14.29 | Domingan | BT mouse? |
| 09:14.29 | jmyaonpalmpre | didn't crash but died lol |
| 09:14.45 | dtzWill | bt mouse no idea |
| 09:15.02 | dtzWill | should work although i might need to do some work since it thinks the mouse is a touchscreen right now |
| 09:15.19 | jmyaonpalmpre | imagine sitting in class whipping out mouse to play quake on phone lol |
| 09:15.20 | dtzWill | if i had a bt mouse it might be a higher priority, althuogh if someone wants to test i could see myself working on that |
| 09:15.22 | dtzWill | hahah |
| 09:15.28 | Domingan | again DAMN!!!! |
| 09:15.38 | jmyaonpalmpre | crash again? |
| 09:15.38 | Domingan | you RULE |
| 09:15.42 | jmyaonpalmpre | ooooo |
| 09:16.07 | Domingan | hahahahaha |
| 09:16.25 | dtzWill | it's crashing?? |
| 09:16.27 | dtzWill | :/ |
| 09:16.32 | Domingan | no |
| 09:16.34 | dtzWill | are you running other things? |
| 09:16.34 | jacques | dtzWill: bt stack work needs to be done before we can have bt controllers |
| 09:16.34 | dtzWill | oh |
| 09:16.42 | jmyaonpalmpre | noooooooo I thought it did for him |
| 09:16.49 | dtzWill | jacques: ah, okay. i thuoght someone said that worked |
| 09:16.52 | dtzWill | Domingan: good to hear :D |
| 09:17.10 | dtzWill | come on autobuilder |
| 09:17.11 | dtzWill | haha |
| 09:17.12 | dtzWill | :D |
| 09:17.18 | Domingan | should have sent that in one line |
| 09:17.27 | jmyaonpalmpre | was working perfectly and I'm on wIRC and 3 webpages |
| 09:17.37 | destinal | dtzWill: I'm working on getting a lightweight stack working but I don't know enough about the chipset / protocol to know whether that approach will work in the short term or long term |
| 09:17.40 | dtzWill | argh my apologies i'm getting excited ( re lots of small messages) |
| 09:18.06 | dtzWill | destinal: ah, gotcha. i don't know much about bt myself, so props to you and gl :) |
| 09:18.07 | *** join/#webos-internals Karotte_exe (n=wIRCer@82.113.121.19) |
| 09:18.21 | Karotte_exe | hi |
| 09:18.22 | jmyaonpalmpre | dtzwill: what's next on ur agenda? |
| 09:18.42 | dtzWill | jmyaonpalmpre: i don't have one solidified |
| 09:18.43 | Domingan | take over the world? |
| 09:18.43 | oil | freeciv! |
| 09:19.04 | dtzWill | i'm gonna go sleep and watch tv with my gf shortly |
| 09:19.06 | *** join/#webos-internals hckyplayer024 (n=hckyplay@75.62.140.28) |
| 09:19.40 | jmyaonpalmpre | my girl sleeping next to me right now lol |
| 09:19.50 | Domingan | ditto |
| 09:19.53 | jmyaonpalmpre | 419 am here |
| 09:20.17 | Domingan | 220 |
| 09:20.26 | jmyaonpalmpre | I gotta get my sleeping habits right before classes start again |
| 09:20.29 | dtzWill | haha |
| 09:21.03 | jmyaonpalmpre | I got an 8 am web design class ahhh |
| 09:21.18 | Domingan | I'm gonna fail next semester cause I was playing quake in class |
| 09:21.27 | sryan | is there a keybinding for moving a slider back in options menu in quake |
| 09:21.28 | jmyaonpalmpre | lol |
| 09:21.39 | dtzWill | sryan: no, that's a known bug for now |
| 09:21.56 | dtzWill | sryan: but the options don't seem permanent, so... o_O just restart |
| 09:21.58 | dtzWill | sryan: sorry |
| 09:22.16 | sryan | ok thanks |
| 09:22.43 | sryan | I just want to turn off sound :d |
| 09:22.45 | destinal | dtzWill: working |
| 09:22.59 | dtzWill | volume all the way down turns it off sryan |
| 09:23.00 | Domingan | soooo.. multiplayer??? |
| 09:23.00 | Karotte_exe | hm, im searching for a torrent app, and i found something on the wiki, but i don't understand |
| 09:23.20 | destinal | dtzWill: gesture area starts becoming jump though |
| 09:23.31 | jmyaonpalmpre | torrent app? |
| 09:23.43 | Karotte_exe | jep |
| 09:23.50 | EdLin | optware has rtorrent, but, do you really want to?! |
| 09:24.00 | destinal | dtzWill: isn't it supposed to be shoot? |
| 09:24.03 | dtzWill | destinal: the gesture area is jump again? i thought that was removed |
| 09:24.08 | Karotte_exe | ahm, why not!? |
| 09:24.11 | dtzWill | the bottom should be fire, top left should be jump |
| 09:24.46 | Robi_ | http://discussion.treocentral.com/webos-synergy-synchronization/189079-sync-your-palm-pre-backup-option.html |
| 09:25.20 | Karotte_exe | ? there is a quake game? |
| 09:25.28 | EdLin | yes |
| 09:25.38 | Domingan | AUX25 unbound |
| 09:26.02 | dtzWill | Domingan: oh that's an annoyance, sorry (gesture causing "aux25 unbound") |
| 09:26.31 | EdLin | Palm is probably announcing native-games with 3D acceleration at CES, but the webos-internals people have figured it out ahead of time. :) |
| 09:26.31 | jmyaonpalmpre | edlin: where is rtorrent at? |
| 09:26.35 | Domingan | but its jumping |
| 09:26.38 | destinal | dtzWill: very nice |
| 09:26.48 | dtzWill | update 1.0.11 up and confirmed working |
| 09:26.52 | dtzWill | ty all |
| 09:26.54 | dtzWill | destinal: ty :D |
| 09:27.10 | jmyaonpalmpre | THANK YOU |
| 09:27.21 | EdLin | jmyaonpalmpre: it's available for the linksys slug, I assumed it was in the Pre's repositories as well. |
| 09:27.34 | Domingan | is jumping away from a dog |
| 09:27.38 | rwhitby | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Quake needs some work ;-) |
| 09:27.39 | Karotte_exe | can i load quake in preware? and when, how call's it? |
| 09:27.54 | rwhitby | Karotte_exe: yes, and tap the icon |
| 09:28.13 | Karotte_exe | which icon? |
| 09:28.18 | rwhitby | the quake icon |
| 09:28.20 | dtzWill | rwhitby: yes, WIP |
| 09:28.33 | *** join/#webos-internals janneg (n=janne@tichy.grunau.be) |
| 09:28.39 | Karotte_exe | i doesn't downloaded it |
| 09:29.03 | jmyaonpalmpre | ok time to sleep 430 am pzz everyone |
| 09:29.12 | Domingan | here we go again.... |
| 09:29.17 | dtzWill | rwhitby: is there a way i can put images onto webos-internals for the wiki media |
| 09:29.32 | rwhitby | dtzWill: yep, hit the upload button |
| 09:29.41 | dtzWill | rwhitby: ................... |
| 09:29.45 | dtzWill | rwhitby: ty, sorry |
| 09:29.53 | Karotte_exe | amh, back to the torrent app... |
| 09:29.57 | rwhitby | it's well hidden ;-) |
| 09:30.29 | *** part/#webos-internals jmyaonpalmpre (n=wIRCer@173.62.137.128) |
| 09:31.10 | Karotte_exe | ahm, is there an other as : http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/RTorrent ? |
| 09:31.30 | *** join/#webos-internals DiscreetControl (n=Discreet@227-44.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 09:32.35 | *** join/#webos-internals dkirker1 (n=dkirker1@gateway0.openmobl.com) |
| 09:32.53 | freakout | destinal / bpadalino: still around? |
| 09:33.15 | freakout | what program did you use to get that opengles demo working? anymore deets to share? |
| 09:33.27 | freakout | (a screenshot / video / photo would be nice...) |
| 09:33.42 | destinal | freakout: I'm here |
| 09:34.00 | destinal | freakout: do you have 1.3.5? |
| 09:34.12 | freakout | unfortunately not |
| 09:34.23 | *** join/#webos-internals antianalog (n=james@99-11-196-244.lightspeed.clmboh.sbcglobal.net) |
| 09:35.07 | destinal | I don't have the ability to take a video, could do a screenshot but it's not amazingly impressive, just a triangle with concentric circles in it, looks much more impressive in motion |
| 09:35.16 | Karotte_exe | hey, what for a name have quake in preware? |
| 09:35.25 | oil | quake? |
| 09:35.29 | freakout | lol |
| 09:35.52 | Karotte_exe | ? |
| 09:36.04 | freakout | destinal: that'd be fine for now. hey rwhitby, if you get a chance and feel like taking another vid, I would have the prefect excuse to link to the youtube channel ;) |
| 09:36.07 | Karotte_exe | what is wrong? |
| 09:36.47 | rwhitby | freakout: better for someone else to take it, then I make it a favourite, then you link. My upload time takes hours for some weird reason. |
| 09:37.30 | rwhitby | Karotte_exe: what does the feed URL for webos-internals say in your Manage Feeds page? |
| 09:37.31 | kmax12 | freakout: I can take a video for you |
| 09:37.50 | kmax12 | let me just figure out how to position my builtin webcam properly |
| 09:38.06 | freakout | kmax12: sweet... the only question is whether or not destinal is willing to walk you through what's necessary |
| 09:38.09 | rwhitby | kmax12: sweet |
| 09:38.23 | Karotte_exe | ? |
| 09:38.25 | freakout | i just want to make a post "OpenGL On webOS: works" |
| 09:38.33 | kmax12 | freakout: walk me through what? |
| 09:38.45 | rwhitby | oh, we're not talking quake, are we? |
| 09:38.56 | freakout | rwhitby: nope |
| 09:38.58 | destinal | rwhitby: quake's sdl but not opengl |
| 09:39.05 | rwhitby | right |
| 09:39.08 | Karotte_exe | the feeds say nothing |
| 09:39.17 | freakout | kmax12: destinal and bpadalino have a working demo of OpenGLes on the Pre |
| 09:39.25 | rwhitby | Karotte_exe: then Preware is not installed properly. http://install.preware.org |
| 09:39.57 | Karotte_exe | im sure, because i've downloaded many apps |
| 09:39.57 | *** join/#webos-internals joke_5 (n=wIRCer@109.250.49.59) |
| 09:40.12 | rwhitby | Karotte_exe: not advanced apps probably |
| 09:40.16 | freakout | Karotte_exe: I can see it fine - it's at the top of the List Of Everything... |
| 09:40.33 | Karotte_exe | ah... wait |
| 09:41.00 | kmax12 | freakout: oh ok. sure. i thought everyone was talking about quake, but i can do that too |
| 09:41.47 | freakout | kmax12: well hey, if everything goes right we may be playing GLQuake in a few days.... or you folks with 1.3.5 will be at any rate |
| 09:42.42 | dtzWill | hf with quake everyone, 'night :D |
| 09:42.47 | Karotte_exe | hm, i see doom, but not quake |
| 09:42.56 | destinal | freakout: would metadoctoring to 1.3.5 be of interest to people like you, or unofficial patches / updates to give you SDL/opengl ? |
| 09:43.26 | freakout | dtzWill: I updated palminfocenter's post on quake to mention it works now. g'night! thanks for your efforts |
| 09:43.35 | freakout | destinal: "people like me"? :p |
| 09:43.53 | freakout | unofficial patches/updates would be fantastic |
| 09:43.58 | destinal | freakout: non-sprint people, you know. people who are left out on all the fun :) |
| 09:44.00 | dtzWill | freakout: appreciate it :D ty :) |
| 09:44.05 | destinal | not to say, losers, exactly |
| 09:44.07 | destinal | :P |
| 09:44.09 | freakout | lol |
| 09:44.20 | antianalog | how do i make a script that runs on start up? |
| 09:44.28 | freakout | destinal: patches would be great. I can't metadoctor. For some utterly bizarre reason my Ubuntu doesn't like it |
| 09:44.40 | freakout | furthermore, my Ubuntu can't see the Pre, either |
| 09:44.43 | kmax12 | I am ready to be set up for the demo of openGL if you guys still want a video |
| 09:45.08 | destinal | kmax12: do you have the demo or do you need a binary? |
| 09:45.12 | freakout | destinal: kmax12 is begging for some lovin', if you have the time... |
| 09:45.39 | destinal | I can send binary, one sec |
| 09:45.53 | *** part/#webos-internals sryan (n=wIRCer@173.6.116.42) |
| 09:45.56 | Karotte_exe | cant find quake in the list:( |
| 09:46.05 | kmax12 | destinal: I have nothing, but I won't know what to do with a binary unless you tell me |
| 09:46.25 | destinal | kmax12: do you have 1.3.5, and can you get a root shell? |
| 09:47.29 | kmax12 | destinal: I have 1.3.5 and idk what root shell is but I know how to type commands at root |
| 09:47.50 | destinal | kmax12: that's good enough |
| 09:48.22 | Domingan | still tripping off quake |
| 09:48.23 | Karotte_exe | hm, do i need the patch 1.3.5 to download quake? |
| 09:50.01 | rwhitby | As stated in the description, it only works on 1.3.5 or later |
| 09:50.51 | destinal | kmax12: do this |
| 09:51.03 | destinal | wget http://omploader.org/vMzU5Nw/webos-GL-demo; chmod 755 ./webos-GL-demo; ./webos-GL-demo |
| 09:51.39 | Domingan | I got my termibal up too you mind if I play too? |
| 09:51.56 | destinal | anyone is welcome to try it |
| 09:52.20 | Karotte_exe | by |
| 09:52.28 | destinal | sorry omploader makes mixed case URL's which are a bit hard to type in terminal |
| 09:52.37 | *** part/#webos-internals Karotte_exe (n=wIRCer@82.113.121.19) |
| 09:52.49 | destinal | and you can run those three commands seperately one after the other, I pasted with semicolons for brevity |
| 09:53.38 | kmax12 | destinal: 2 green triangles and black/white rings? |
| 09:53.57 | Jack87 | keymap is posted on qiki |
| 09:54.00 | Jack87 | wiki for quake |
| 09:54.05 | destinal | kmax12: yeah, should be pulsing |
| 09:54.11 | destinal | that's in OpenGL-ES |
| 09:54.12 | Jack87 | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Quake#Controls |
| 09:54.41 | kmax12 | yep |
| 09:54.47 | destinal | as I said, it's not that impressive, just a first demo |
| 09:54.50 | kmax12 | so, you just want a video of that? |
| 09:54.58 | destinal | but we could do rotating cubes or whatever tomorrow ;) |
| 09:55.37 | destinal | kmax12: looks like freakout would like a video of it, yeah |
| 09:55.47 | freakout | yep! |
| 09:56.01 | *** join/#webos-internals DominganPre (n=wIRCer@c-67-177-6-61.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 09:56.14 | freakout | It's nothing hugely special, but it's proof that OpenGL works on the Pre, which is super-newsworthy |
| 09:56.25 | destinal | kmax12: probably including the card opening if you can |
| 09:56.38 | DominganPre | love triangles.... |
| 09:56.47 | freakout | i could write something without pics or vids, but that's not very web 2.0 ;) |
| 09:56.56 | kmax12 | video taken |
| 09:57.02 | *** part/#webos-internals joke_5 (n=wIRCer@109.250.49.59) |
| 09:57.42 | freakout | kewl |
| 09:58.18 | jacques | is webos-GL-demo cross-compilable? |
| 09:58.36 | destinal | jacques: I don't see why not |
| 09:59.14 | destinal | jacques: bpadalino posted the code link earlier in the channel |
| 10:00.00 | destinal | http://pastie.textmate.org/private/bkdtihbu5jwe0czpx0fng |
| 10:00.10 | jacques | destinal: I got the code, but not sure about all the header files and the exact compiler commands |
| 10:01.02 | jacques | and I thought we were having issues cross-compiling sdl apps right now |
| 10:01.12 | destinal | gcc -o webos-GL-demo webos-GL-demo.c -I/usr/local/include/SDL -lSDL -lGLESv2 |
| 10:01.27 | destinal | adapt that for your crosscompiler |
| 10:01.48 | destinal | and I recommend using the patched palm include dir |
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| 10:02.02 | jacques | ooh, what's that? |
| 10:02.03 | destinal | and the binaries from the doctor |
| 10:02.27 | destinal | http://palm.cdnetworks.net/opensource/1.3.5/libsdl-1.2.tgz patched with http://palm.cdnetworks.net/opensource/1.3.5/libsdl-1.2-patch.gz |
| 10:02.32 | jacques | oh you mean the sdl include files created with palm's patches applied |
| 10:02.45 | destinal | right |
| 10:02.51 | jacques | I thought it was something more tricky |
| 10:03.10 | destinal | I may have applied bpadalino's extra piranha tricks but I don't know if it matters |
| 10:03.32 | kmax12 | destinal freakout does this link work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El6wDFfn1jw |
| 10:03.58 | freakout | kmax12: yes indeedy! |
| 10:04.07 | freakout | kmax12: hey, I didn't realise you were from themxweb |
| 10:04.31 | jacques | hmm, I get "an error occurred please try again later" |
| 10:04.36 | destinal | an error occured, please try again later? |
| 10:05.05 | kmax12 | jacques: that's what I got. but it didn't play ok for me |
| 10:05.20 | kmax12 | after a couple attempts |
| 10:05.20 | destinal | I hit HQ |
| 10:05.22 | destinal | and it fixed it |
| 10:06.20 | kmax12 | freakout: yep. im the mx from the mx web |
| 10:06.27 | jacques | hmm, it's just showing me a black screen now. not even a play putton inside |
| 10:06.31 | rwhitby | freakout: the video is linked on http://youtube.com/webosinternals now |
| 10:06.39 | jacques | but that appears to be me |
| 10:07.14 | destinal | bpadalino rocks |
| 10:07.34 | destinal | even if it's not a cube ;) |
| 10:07.38 | jacques | destinal: good call on the HQ |
| 10:07.50 | rwhitby | probably still converting |
| 10:07.59 | jacques | I always like seeing ppl's backgrounds |
| 10:08.11 | jacques | mine is extremely boring pebbles one |
| 10:09.08 | rwhitby | mine is the orange flowers, cause I'm always too lazy to change it after doctoring |
| 10:09.11 | freakout | does bpadalino have areal name? |
| 10:09.17 | kmax12 | jacques: i'll let you in on a secret, I changed my background right before recording |
| 10:09.53 | freakout | lol |
| 10:10.24 | oil | just gets "an error occurred, please try again later" |
| 10:10.26 | oil | damn youtube |
| 10:10.34 | Jack87 | haha i changed my background last night about 3 hours before the video. ifrst time i have set a custom background. |
| 10:10.47 | Jack87 | wait i lied my bike was my first custom background 5 months ago |
| 10:10.51 | freakout | is there a name for that demo? |
| 10:10.59 | freakout | or is it something bpadalino cooked up himself? |
| 10:11.54 | DominganPre | can't see the vid |
| 10:12.31 | kmax12 | if you get the "an error occurred..." try viewing it in high quality, I think youtube is still processing the video somewhat |
| 10:12.32 | destinal | freakout: bpadalino did it, not sure if it was based on any examples and modified or totally from scratch |
| 10:13.11 | rwhitby | I'm assuming a standard demo |
| 10:13.25 | destinal | he gave it no name other than "if someone is interested in seeing an OpenGLES example" |
| 10:13.29 | DominganPre | did anyone notice that after a doc pdf viewer is gone? |
| 10:13.46 | destinal | might even be based on something from www.khronos.org |
| 10:13.49 | rwhitby | mutters about making sure source and instructions are up before youtube videos .... |
| 10:13.50 | destinal | unsure |
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| 10:14.14 | freakout | geez, priorities, rwhitby |
| 10:14.21 | destinal | rwhitby: all source and instructions are in the log, more permanent than wiki's, right? :) |
| 10:14.28 | destinal | this will go down on our permanent record |
| 10:14.43 | destinal | ok links to source, but still |
| 10:15.00 | rwhitby | I, for one, welcome our google permanent record ... |
| 10:15.43 | Jack87 | rwhitby: anyway to make the homepage for quake on preware show http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Quake |
| 10:15.45 | destinal | rwhitby: you go write up the wiki article based on this: http://pastie.textmate.org/764660.txt?key=bkdtihbu5jwe0czpx0fng and this: gcc -o webos-GL-demo webos-GL-demo.c -I/usr/local/include/SDL -lSDL -lGLESv2 |
| 10:15.54 | destinal | I did stuff already :P |
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| 10:16.27 | rwhitby | Jack87: I can do that. |
| 10:16.49 | rwhitby | destinal: I'm way behind the curve on the gles work today |
| 10:17.12 | rwhitby | Jack87: it already does say that |
| 10:17.28 | destinal | it's ok, it's 3am here, I'm totally about to crash. I rescued my pre from never never land, so I'm happy |
| 10:17.34 | seigex | destinals: just curious before you go |
| 10:17.41 | destinal | even though it only 66% doctor'd, it's good to go |
| 10:17.43 | seigex | err destinal* |
| 10:17.51 | rwhitby | destinal: what you just pasted is good enough for me |
| 10:18.13 | seigex | destinal: did anything ever come about the USB OTG stuff with the mciro ab cable? |
| 10:18.18 | seigex | i'm about to go buy myself one |
| 10:18.19 | rwhitby | freakout: put the code in the article ;-) |
| 10:18.23 | destinal | seigex: I got it to power but not enumerate |
| 10:18.25 | seigex | heard they sell them at a local hardware store here |
| 10:18.47 | freakout | rwhitby: lol |
| 10:18.52 | seigex | ok.. i'm going to go back to playing with it.. i've spent the last several months messing with linux drivers for work and i think i got a handle on it |
| 10:18.57 | destinal | seigex: I think that's because I didn't kill the composite driver or reset it or sometthing |
| 10:19.02 | freakout | destinal: thanks for the assist |
| 10:19.12 | destinal | freakout: you're welcome |
| 10:19.12 | seigex | did you modprobe usb-storage? |
| 10:19.39 | destinal | the triangle is part of an evil conspiracy to brainwash smartphone enthusiasts. thanks for helping. |
| 10:19.47 | Jack87 | rwhitby: nice :) thanks |
| 10:20.06 | seigex | <-- stuck coding java for a blackberry at work :( |
| 10:20.11 | seigex | i should shoot msyelf |
| 10:20.12 | destinal | seigex: I didn't, no |
| 10:20.13 | rwhitby | destinal: now we own their phones and their minds |
| 10:20.32 | destinal | mwahahaha |
| 10:21.21 | rwhitby | did kmax12 remember to add the reverse subliminal soundtrack? |
| 10:21.40 | seigex | wow quake on the pre.. now if we can add servers and i can do quake team fortress on the pre :D |
| 10:21.43 | destinal | seigex: echoing host > the usb otg dev entry crashed my phone, echoing otg > it made it power plugged in devices |
| 10:22.03 | destinal | but I never could enumerate |
| 10:22.14 | destinal | I think it is lack of knowledge on my part |
| 10:22.19 | seigex | ok.. i'm going to go buy a cable after work monday and i'll get back into it |
| 10:22.20 | destinal | please let me know what you find |
| 10:22.32 | destinal | even if just some random extra info |
| 10:22.47 | seigex | i was doing fine then i just got frustrated and gave up cus all my homemade cables sucked |
| 10:22.55 | seigex | well i'll get it working |
| 10:23.00 | seigex | i just moved to a normal schedule |
| 10:23.14 | destinal | seigex: cool, you can get the usb otg working, I'll get the bluetooth |
| 10:23.16 | seigex | i got taken off of patrolling the fine streets of my county to a desk job writing software for my department |
| 10:23.21 | destinal | :) |
| 10:23.26 | seigex | good deal :) |
| 10:23.37 | seigex | my goal is to plug a 2 tb harddrive into the pre |
| 10:23.43 | seigex | :D |
| 10:23.47 | DominganPre | lol |
| 10:23.48 | seigex | and mount it |
| 10:23.52 | freakout | article's up |
| 10:23.53 | freakout | http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/10017/opengl-demod-on-palm-pre/ |
| 10:23.57 | destinal | seigex: strap them all together build a huge carrying case and you've got massive smartphone |
| 10:24.07 | seigex | but that would open up a lot of possibilities by simply adding a hub |
| 10:24.09 | freakout | a link for rwhitby, and a link for kmax12 |
| 10:24.22 | freakout | and pageviews for freakout! (hopefully) |
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| 10:25.12 | seigex | actually what i want to do is add a usb ethernet port |
| 10:25.22 | destinal | seigex: that would definitely be handy |
| 10:25.46 | destinal | night all |
| 10:25.52 | freakout | night destinal |
| 10:25.53 | seigex | yeah i'd get the full benefit of my 28 mb network at home |
| 10:25.54 | seigex | night |
| 10:26.06 | jacques1 | jeez, maybe we're going to have to start pacing ourselves. one major breakthrough per day, and two on Sundays. |
| 10:27.09 | rwhitby | jacques1: a well functioning project, firing on all fronts at once |
| 10:27.38 | jacques1 | 4:30am here and I need to get up tomorrow :-\ |
| 10:28.03 | DominganPre | yeah bit take a break and reload once in a while! :D |
| 10:28.04 | rwhitby | heh - I'm the only one who has normal sleep hours ;-) |
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| 10:28.18 | jacques1 | lol |
| 10:28.35 | jacques1 | switching to sleep mode |
| 10:29.08 | rwhitby | g'night jacques1 - we'll get preware/cross-compile.git sorted in the next few days |
| 10:29.27 | jacques1 | definitely. |
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| 10:29.51 | jacques1 | I'd like to be cross-compiling sdl / opengles test apps by sometime tomorrow. |
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| 10:30.03 | rwhitby | yep |
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| 10:30.16 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v jacques_pre] by ChanServ |
| 10:30.26 | rwhitby | the 7th is only 4 days away ... |
| 10:31.01 | jacques1 | hmm. we should plan and prioritize to make the most of that time |
| 10:31.20 | Jack87 | rwhitby: game play video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBFKMNzWwgM |
| 10:31.29 | Jack87 | if you want to add it to the channel |
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| 10:31.45 | rwhitby | done |
| 10:31.46 | oil | "This video is not yet processed." |
| 10:31.47 | oil | grr |
| 10:31.58 | Jack87 | grr |
| 10:32.03 | Jack87 | it will show up im sure |
| 10:32.26 | Jack87 | oil: go now |
| 10:33.25 | oil | yeah |
| 10:33.35 | Jack87 | i actually kill shit towards the end |
| 10:33.41 | oil | looks like the touchpad aiming needs more sensitivity |
| 10:33.59 | idontwan2know | I'm watching it now. |
| 10:34.01 | idontwan2know | very cool |
| 10:34.57 | Jack87 | oil: agreeded |
| 10:35.02 | Jack87 | also can be changed in options |
| 10:35.12 | Jack87 | but its a little glitchy when changed in options |
| 10:38.27 | oil | while doom and quake are fun and cool on the pre and all |
| 10:38.27 | oil | i dont see myself playing them all that much |
| 10:38.28 | oil | considering i did a bunch back in the day |
| 10:38.28 | oil | lol |
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| 10:39.35 | idontwan2know | It's more important as proof of concept than for the games themselves. |
| 10:40.10 | idontwan2know | At least that's how I see it. |
| 10:40.30 | kmax12 | Jack87: beat me to it. here's my gameplay video...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV-fE4ZRTPc |
| 10:40.42 | Jack87 | max i like yours better 0 |
| 10:40.48 | Jack87 | i dont talk lol |
| 10:41.09 | kmax12 | yours probably didn't take 3 takes like mine tho |
| 10:41.23 | Jack87 | lol nope i just spit it out |
| 10:42.24 | oil | does multiplayer work? |
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| 10:43.11 | Jack87 | dunno |
| 10:43.14 | Jack87 | who wants to try |
| 10:43.19 | oil | lol |
| 10:43.19 | Jack87 | lets give it a shot |
| 10:44.13 | Jack87 | when i try to make a game only gives me local ip |
| 10:44.28 | oil | lol |
| 10:45.22 | oil | so |
| 10:45.24 | oil | thats a no on working |
| 10:45.43 | Jack87 | who knows |
| 10:45.48 | Jack87 | someone try to join my ip |
| 10:45.55 | Jack87 | 68.27.27.116 |
| 10:46.07 | Jack87 | whatever defauly port is |
| 10:47.01 | oil | i typed it in and pressed enter |
| 10:47.09 | oil | nothing is happening |
| 10:47.17 | kmax12 | Jack87: trying to join now |
| 10:47.25 | kmax12 | oil: same thing over here |
| 10:47.28 | Jack87 | im not holding my breath |
| 10:47.33 | oil | is |
| 10:47.36 | oil | is about to pass out |
| 10:47.44 | Jack87 | ya i dont think it works |
| 10:47.47 | oil | i think its frozen |
| 10:50.00 | Jack87 | maybe next thing might be how to figure out networking on sdl apps |
| 10:50.41 | rwhitby | SDL_net.h |
| 10:51.27 | oil | forget quake though |
| 10:51.30 | oil | freeciv, srsly |
| 10:51.55 | oil | and lag won't be as much of a problem with a turn-based game |
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| 10:53.55 | Jack87 | cant stand turn based games |
| 10:54.00 | oil | psf |
| 10:54.11 | oil | civilization is one of the best games |
| 10:54.56 | acydlord | oil, just find the source for the maemo port of freeciv and then recompile it with the correct flags |
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| 10:55.08 | oil | lets others handle that :) |
| 10:55.57 | Jack87 | ya this needs more sensativity. out then that it can be totaly playable |
| 10:56.06 | Jack87 | and soon i think up and down look will be added |
| 10:56.31 | acydlord | i think zsoc|away was actually looking into porting freeciv, or at least he asked me about it |
| 10:57.01 | oil | i was telling him to do it :) |
| 10:57.12 | kmax12 | well, good night everyone. http://themxweb.com/2010/01/03/quake-for-webos-on-the-palm-pre/#more-1449 |
| 10:57.23 | oil | being an elite webos hacker extraordinaire and all xD |
| 10:58.58 | acydlord | lol, indeed |
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| 11:22.57 | noaXess | hi all |
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| 11:23.12 | noaXess | is there a way to install 1.3.5 if it isn't on pre update? |
| 11:24.00 | hucksy | for GSM pre? |
| 11:24.10 | noaXess | over wifi.. |
| 11:24.35 | rwhitby | bbt - night all |
| 11:24.38 | noaXess | i'm in switzerland.. and on orange carrier.. |
| 11:24.43 | noaXess | by rwhitby |
| 11:25.01 | hucksy | the firmware for gsm pre is not out yet |
| 11:25.20 | hucksy | US only |
| 11:25.25 | noaXess | hucksy: why gsm pre? don't understand.. |
| 11:25.37 | noaXess | is the us version of the pre another hardware? |
| 11:25.45 | noaXess | or are in us other mobile networks? |
| 11:25.52 | hucksy | yes |
| 11:25.59 | noaXess | okay.. :).. so just wait.. |
| 11:26.25 | hucksy | same here ;) |
| 11:26.29 | hucksy | germany |
| 11:26.40 | noaXess | hucksy: do you know when it will be available for europe? have bought my pre in germany in a O2 shop.. and am in switzerland on orange :) |
| 11:26.54 | noaXess | dann ist ja alles gut.. abwarten und tee trinken :) |
| 11:27.03 | noaXess | or something other :) |
| 11:27.12 | hucksy | hehe genau |
| 11:27.18 | hucksy | yep, i think in 1 or 2 more weeks |
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| 11:30.42 | Karotte_exe | morning |
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| 11:35.27 | Karotte_exe | i found quake ^^ |
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| 11:38.11 | hucksy | damnit |
| 11:38.20 | hucksy | i need 1.3.5 |
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| 11:47.58 | Sonny | hello all was wondering if there is a fix for friends book ? |
| 11:49.41 | Sonny | or if someone can point me in the direction to find out |
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| 12:26.13 | hape | dtzWill: Thanks in advance for not using y and z for the contols. So it will be usable on german Pre also as soon as 1.3.5 is released by O2 |
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| 13:15.02 | hape | some other are proting native apps too: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/222374-native-nesem-webos.html |
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| 14:17.27 | Abyssul_wIRC | quiet... |
| 14:21.35 | Kyusaku | I wonder if they will have to create a native development forum soon |
| 14:21.44 | nfoxTc | I think soo |
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| 14:39.28 | noaXess | hucksy: me too.. doom and queke are now available for 1.3.5.... please PALM go forward.. |
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| 14:43.41 | cashen | Quake looks pretty darn good. very playable. |
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| 15:01.08 | radde | Hi there |
| 15:05.13 | radde | I just found PreWare and Installed a few patches so far. But there is one problem, that irritates me. Some patches would show up after installation, even after restart the device the installed patch didn't worked. |
| 15:05.53 | radde | Only after partcial reset, the patches actualy start working |
| 15:06.22 | radde | but now i cant remove or update them over PreWare :/ |
| 15:06.31 | radde | Somebody have any suggestion? |
| 15:09.10 | Abyssul_wIRC | EPR it and reinstall Preware |
| 15:09.33 | Abyssul_wIRC | If that doesn't work, then try repair utility |
| 15:09.46 | Abyssul_wIRC | then doctor as a last resort |
| 15:10.07 | radde | EPR? |
| 15:10.22 | radde | and what repair utility du you mean? |
| 15:10.26 | Abyssul_wIRC | emergency patch recovery, right? |
| 15:10.32 | radde | ah ok |
| 15:10.48 | radde | try it now ;) |
| 15:10.48 | Abyssul_wIRC | webos repair utility by canuck software |
| 15:11.01 | Abyssul_wIRC | epr is in preware |
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| 15:18.00 | Trevoreon | I wonder what's next once quake is stable. |
| 15:20.00 | radde | I wish i could play it ... but here in Germany we can't update to 1.3.5 jet. :/ |
| 15:20.17 | hucksy | ya, sucks |
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| 15:21.39 | radde | hopefuly they come out with it in here in a short space of time |
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| 15:22.00 | nfoxTc | quake runs pretty well good job guys |
| 15:22.16 | hucksy | i think 1 or 2 more weeks |
| 15:22.18 | Trevoreon | It's not quite worth playing yet. And Im sure you guys will get 1.3.5 soon. Im sure you'll have it before CES |
| 15:22.44 | nfoxTc | yeah just the controls need some work I kno things are kimited on the pre though |
| 15:22.47 | nfoxTc | limited* |
| 15:22.48 | jettero | who maintains /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.optware ? |
| 15:22.55 | jettero | I'd like to add a line or two ... |
| 15:23.08 | Trevoreon | The game has som framerate issues. And Im not sure why. |
| 15:23.08 | cashen | radde: where in germany are you from? |
| 15:23.34 | radde | Berlin |
| 15:23.40 | hucksy | hehe |
| 15:23.42 | hucksy | me too |
| 15:23.54 | nfoxTc | they arent using the gpu yet trevoreon |
| 15:23.58 | nfoxTc | i think thats all cpui |
| 15:24.07 | radde | The world is small, some once said ;) |
| 15:24.28 | radde | someone |
| 15:24.29 | hucksy | yep ;) |
| 15:24.29 | cashen | We traveled to Koln and Munich a few years ago during a back packing trip through europe |
| 15:24.31 | Trevoreon | They have to be using the gpu. Thats what all this talk of the OpenGL files are about my friend. |
| 15:25.11 | nfoxTc | oh wow |
| 15:25.26 | hucksy | never visit both cities before |
| 15:25.50 | cashen | munich was aweseom! we stayed at nathans villa i think |
| 15:26.04 | hucksy | where are you from? |
| 15:26.14 | cashen | Michigan |
| 15:26.27 | MetaView | <-- goes and tries Duke3D in Classic.... |
| 15:26.30 | hucksy | oh cool |
| 15:27.11 | Trevoreon | Thats why I cant figure out why the frame rate gets so sloppy. Im pretty sure it's using the gpu. If it is infact only using the cpu then Im not sure why we made such a big deal about Doom and Quake in the first place. |
| 15:27.17 | radde | oh damn i just read the description of the EPR where can i find these backed up ipk patch files normaly? |
| 15:27.33 | nfoxTc | well they said Doom was using sdl |
| 15:27.38 | nfoxTc | I know that for sure |
| 15:27.56 | nfoxTc | But things should get better when palm releases an offical api |
| 15:28.02 | cashen | ah, doesnt look like Nathan's villa in Munich, there isnt one.. it was wombats now that i think about it |
| 15:28.11 | lt83850 | doom wasnt the news of the release....sdl was |
| 15:28.34 | lt83850 | proof of concept type IMO, and its great :D |
| 15:28.42 | nfoxTc | I agree |
| 15:28.44 | nfoxTc | im excited |
| 15:28.52 | Trevoreon | I know. But doom is a poor example of ability IMO |
| 15:29.02 | lt83850 | and i believe they said cpu only no gpu at all, so bigger future there if\when palm releases |
| 15:29.04 | nfoxTc | farcry is next |
| 15:29.09 | lt83850 | hehe |
| 15:29.16 | nfoxTc | ;) |
| 15:29.18 | radde | What could it be, if i install a patch like the Advanced Device Menu and it do not show up after installation, even after restart? |
| 15:29.28 | lt83850 | restart luna |
| 15:29.40 | radde | how do i do that? |
| 15:29.54 | Trevoreon | If I see Quake running stable and I see what they do next, then I'll get exited. |
| 15:30.01 | lt83850 | get download luna manager via preware radde |
| 15:30.16 | nfoxTc | I think we could see DC quality on the pre |
| 15:30.27 | nfoxTc | but thats wishful thinking |
| 15:30.37 | Trevoreon | What do you mean DC quality? |
| 15:30.40 | nfoxTc | I mean its suposively faster then a psp |
| 15:30.43 | nfoxTc | dreamcast |
| 15:30.46 | radde | ok |
| 15:30.50 | Trevoreon | Ah. Maybe. |
| 15:30.58 | nfoxTc | wouldnt be bad at all |
| 15:31.05 | Trevoreon | It does have a faster cpu and dedicated gpu than the psp |
| 15:31.09 | nfoxTc | maybe some 2d multiplayer games too |
| 15:31.18 | nfoxTc | yeah see we'll be in for a treat once the devs get apis |
| 15:31.37 | Trevoreon | I would love to see a Hardware Accelerated emulator. |
| 15:31.51 | nfoxTc | for what console? |
| 15:32.01 | nfoxTc | I wouldnt mind having ff7 on my pre ;) |
| 15:32.03 | Trevoreon | anything from snes to psx |
| 15:32.07 | Trevoreon | EXACTLY |
| 15:32.24 | MetaView | LJP should work, or? |
| 15:32.30 | Trevoreon | Why rely soley on homebrew devs when there is a HUGE game library already out there. |
| 15:32.31 | MetaView | it's snes |
| 15:32.35 | nfoxTc | true |
| 15:33.03 | nfoxTc | well we'll just have to wait and see, in the meantime im learning C so one daty I can contribute |
| 15:33.25 | radde | aw .. i think i will reinstall WebOS for now and than installing all the patches new ... now i know how it works ;) |
| 15:33.28 | Trevoreon | A gnuboy advance emulator would even be nice. It's already compiled for linux and everything. |
| 15:34.04 | hape | MetaView: I'm impressed that you got the id games running in Palm OS. Untild today morning I was not awary how did it :-) |
| 15:34.09 | cashen | Trevoreon: Checkout http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/222374-native-nesem-webos.html |
| 15:34.12 | lt83850 | its already avail for psp Trev |
| 15:34.13 | Trevoreon | I would love to be a dev. I dont have the patience for that stuff though. I used to code characters for MUGEN and that was too tedious for me. Hahaha |
| 15:34.22 | nfoxTc | haha |
| 15:34.24 | lt83850 | no upstart type icon though |
| 15:34.28 | lt83850 | can launch in terminal |
| 15:34.37 | nfoxTc | Im going to try and start making a few personal patches maybe and learn from there |
| 15:35.02 | hape | Aout 1.3.5 in Gemrnay. Somone sayd mit/end of Janaury. But I'm not sure where I read it |
| 15:35.24 | radde | Is it possible to backup sms and emails from the palm ? |
| 15:35.28 | radde | pre |
| 15:35.50 | hape | And yes quake and doom do not use gl right now. I read all the text from the last nigt :-) (took me about 3 hours this moirniung) |
| 15:35.56 | lt83850 | email yes radde |
| 15:36.12 | nfoxTc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.27 | nfoxTc | I think the only thing thats going to hold the pre back is controls |
| 15:36.39 | nfoxTc | only so much interaction you can have with a phone |
| 15:36.46 | radde | how? lt83850 |
| 15:36.46 | lt83850 | yeah |
| 15:36.48 | Trevoreon | I actually think we have an advantage in that department |
| 15:36.56 | nfoxTc | how so? |
| 15:37.06 | Trevoreon | The iphone gets by fine and it doesnt have a keyboard. |
| 15:37.11 | Trevoreon | We do. |
| 15:37.16 | nfoxTc | true |
| 15:37.16 | lt83850 | radde, data transfer assistant |
| 15:37.43 | lt83850 | trevor, for touch type games i think it will be fine |
| 15:37.51 | Trevoreon | Not to mention the gesture area. |
| 15:37.51 | nfoxTc | is palm was smart thatd release a little Bbs micro usb control |
| 15:37.56 | nfoxTc | bs* |
| 15:37.59 | nfoxTc | controler* |
| 15:38.07 | radde | I'm new with the Pre so i do not know actually where to find this assistant. lt83580 |
| 15:38.11 | lt83850 | i love the gesture area, could be great for gaming |
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| 15:38.20 | lt83850 | googleis best radde |
| 15:38.30 | nfoxTc | I hear the gesture area returns regular asci values too |
| 15:38.35 | radde | i understand |
| 15:38.55 | lt83850 | if you can't find it i will link |
| 15:39.38 | radde | argh this wopuld mean google gets my data ... :/ |
| 15:39.46 | radde | would |
| 15:39.59 | nfoxTc | huh? |
| 15:40.04 | radde | isn't there a more direct way? |
| 15:40.19 | lt83850 | radde...no, hehe |
| 15:40.22 | cashen | google better than MS (bing) |
| 15:40.27 | lt83850 | i meant google for the link |
| 15:40.29 | lt83850 | lol |
| 15:40.40 | lt83850 | not the assistant, backs up to outlook |
| 15:40.44 | radde | than i simply delete my mails rather than upload them to google :D |
| 15:40.56 | hucksy | hehe |
| 15:41.12 | nfoxTc | what do you mean google gets your data |
| 15:41.21 | hucksy | i need a google account for messaging |
| 15:41.26 | hucksy | no jabber on pre yet |
| 15:41.27 | hucksy | sucks |
| 15:41.32 | lt83850 | lol, he thought i was tellig him to backup for emails nfo |
| 15:41.37 | nfoxTc | ooooo lol |
| 15:41.49 | lt83850 | i was telling him to search for link, hehe |
| 15:42.10 | lt83850 | i hate that there is no msn or live msger for pre |
| 15:42.11 | lt83850 | :S |
| 15:42.15 | radde | i just read the steps need for the data transfering assistant, and it says that i have to create a google acount |
| 15:42.16 | radde | now way |
| 15:42.19 | nfoxTc | ugh msn |
| 15:42.32 | nfoxTc | i have a hard time with m$ software |
| 15:42.52 | Trevoreon | There is a game for the iphone that runs using quake 3's engine, It's been optomized for the iphone and even has multiplayer online over 3g. I would like to see that ported to the Pre |
| 15:42.57 | lt83850 | i use it most for IM, dont like new social media facebook, myspace etc... |
| 15:43.08 | nfoxTc | i hear ya |
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| 15:43.30 | cashen | radde: whats wrong with google? |
| 15:43.55 | hucksy | its... google |
| 15:44.15 | MetaView | Classic has not enough mem |
| 15:44.20 | cashen | so are you anti android? |
| 15:44.30 | radde | i only use it for search, you know i better have as few accounts over the internet as possible |
| 15:44.31 | nfoxTc | hey those familar with the beagle board you around? |
| 15:44.31 | hucksy | mhm android is open source |
| 15:44.38 | MetaView | where to get the natvie SDK stuff? |
| 15:45.15 | lt83850 | meta? |
| 15:45.15 | cashen | huskey: but its still google |
| 15:45.20 | lt83850 | mojo? |
| 15:45.28 | cashen | what browser do you use? please tell me IE |
| 15:45.46 | lt83850 | hehe, sometimes here cashen |
| 15:46.34 | lt83850 | google chrome i been liking since ares |
| 15:46.45 | nfoxTc | oh god |
| 15:46.46 | lt83850 | its fast, but firefox+plugins>* |
| 15:46.49 | nfoxTc | who here uses IE |
| 15:47.00 | MetaView | yes? |
| 15:47.02 | nfoxTc | you should be kicked off the internet...exspecialy if its IE 6 |
| 15:47.07 | cashen | Chrome is the bomb, i can't stand even FF now |
| 15:47.13 | Trevoreon | I use Chrome. It's so fast and lightweight |
| 15:47.27 | cashen | so fast |
| 15:47.40 | nfoxTc | Ill give it a shot one day |
| 15:47.41 | MetaView | nfoxTc: I use SeaMonkey |
| 15:47.48 | nfoxTc | FF is my favorite right now |
| 15:47.52 | MetaView | lt83850: yes? |
| 15:48.07 | lt83850 | metaview....were you looking for mojo? |
| 15:48.27 | Trevoreon | You know what I just remembered?!?! Werent we told we'd get a beta of flash 10 mobile for the pre BEFORE 2010? |
| 15:48.39 | cashen | Chrome is odd at first, then you just love it. |
| 15:48.41 | lt83850 | https://cdn.downloads.palm.com/sdkdownloads/1.3.5.368/sdkBinaries/Palm_Mojo_SDK-Win-1.3.5-368-x86.exe |
| 15:48.45 | MetaView | I look for the env which is used to port Quake, Doom etc. |
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| 15:55.30 | hape | MetaView: they did it in a debina changeroot with some pachtes for sdl from the sdk that lt83850 points you too |
| 15:59.23 | cashen | Anyone use google reader in here? |
| 15:59.52 | jeffisageek | i do cashen |
| 16:00.15 | radde | ok, i have to go ... thx for help everybody :) |
| 16:00.19 | cashen | Just started, love it! |
| 16:00.34 | Trevoreon | I need sleep |
| 16:00.37 | nfoxTc | what is it? |
| 16:00.46 | jeffisageek | yeah i use google reader daily, hourly, sometimes by the min :) |
| 16:00.56 | MetaView | hape, lt83850: thx |
| 16:02.13 | nfoxTc | whats it all about cashen? |
| 16:04.10 | cashen | its like a news feed for websites |
| 16:04.45 | jeffisageek | google reader is a great way to keep up with everything out there |
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| 16:04.49 | cashen | I have precentral, engadget, palminfocenter, failblog, peopleofwalmart, some youtube feeds |
| 16:05.01 | lt83850 | ponders on patch to auto-convert youtube videos to audio for music |
| 16:05.09 | cashen | yes, its like (i hate the term but..) one stop shopping |
| 16:05.21 | jeffisageek | i always say its like a dvr |
| 16:05.47 | jeffisageek | you can get all the content and check it out whenever you want |
| 16:05.58 | lt83850 | cashen new engadget app is pretty sweet, check it out |
| 16:06.14 | cashen | yeah, you can without it too, it just makes it much nicer to get to and read |
| 16:06.19 | lt83850 | they need to add zoom to article and pictures, and then it'll be perfect |
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| 16:06.49 | cashen | and share stories, comments, etc |
| 16:06.50 | jeffisageek | anyone heard if there is a gowalla app in the making? would love to have that for the palm pre |
| 16:07.17 | cashen | sounds like foursquare |
| 16:07.36 | cashen | no? |
| 16:08.01 | cashen | I want footsprints |
| 16:08.01 | jeffisageek | yeah it is. a bit different but same concept |
| 16:08.15 | cashen | I so wish the Pre had a compass... |
| 16:08.20 | MetaView | me too |
| 16:08.26 | jeffisageek | that would be nice |
| 16:08.41 | lt83850 | there is a pay app for it, didn't look that good |
| 16:09.29 | cashen | but it still lacks the hardware of a digital compass |
| 16:09.31 | Lumiere | it has a GPS device |
| 16:09.42 | lt83850 | yeah |
| 16:09.44 | lt83850 | uses gps |
| 16:09.50 | cashen | gowalla looks global, i like |
| 16:09.55 | MetaView | which isn't sufficient |
| 16:09.58 | lt83850 | not as fast, but pretty accurate |
| 16:10.13 | Lumiere | MetaView: use movement to fake a compass |
| 16:10.20 | MetaView | but SkyMap would never be possible as on Android |
| 16:10.21 | Lumiere | not perfect but doable |
| 16:10.29 | MetaView | but not the same |
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| 16:11.27 | cashen | foursquare and gowalla are almost opposites. Gowalla looks like it to find cool stuff and foursquare looks like it about telling of cool stuff. hmm gowalla looks like a nicer interface |
| 16:12.29 | cashen | gowalla would be greta for travel. Oh icant wait for another europe trip... |
| 16:13.06 | jeffisageek | also with gowalla you have to actually be at the location you check in at |
| 16:13.17 | jeffisageek | foursquare i could check in anywhere i really want to |
| 16:15.19 | cashen | ahh.... you have to change your "browsing content" in FS.. |
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| 16:52.41 | destinal | so apparantly the pre as a native build environment is somewhat lacking, it likes to crash / reboot itself under extended heavy load or something |
| 16:53.09 | destinal | left a dosbox compile running overnight and it didn't get far |
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| 16:56.23 | hape | msg MetaView Hi, wenn du noch da bist |
| 16:57.56 | hape | ist so funny destinal you come back in and my day is nealy over^^ |
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| 16:59.04 | braxton | hey |
| 16:59.06 | hape | and tomorrow when i come back my backlog is so full that I need hours to read it. But ist is inressting to follow your all finding out new stuff |
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| 16:59.21 | braxton | has anyone ported putty to the pre? |
| 17:00.14 | hape | braxton: why you sould? It is a windows and not a linux app. You can use the terminal and the ssh from openware |
| 17:00.27 | jettero | hape is correct |
| 17:00.29 | braxton | nice graphics thing |
| 17:00.36 | braxton | like a card for ssh would be cool |
| 17:00.42 | braxton | remember addresses |
| 17:00.43 | braxton | et |
| 17:00.44 | braxton | c |
| 17:01.06 | SteveApos | Anyone having problems launching quake? |
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| 17:01.14 | jettero | yeah, the terminal should have various startup options... instead of a root shell, it could pop up a command (eg ssh hostname) |
| 17:01.21 | braxton | the terminal app is causing me major issues on 1.5.3 |
| 17:01.24 | braxton | keeps freezing |
| 17:01.28 | braxton | when i try to close it |
| 17:01.36 | jettero | yeah, it sagfaults the lunasysmgr on mine, literally every other time |
| 17:02.19 | hape | braxton: you can do some smallshell scrips for that purpose. so youonly type ssh_host.sh in the terminal.. |
| 17:02.56 | braxton | but terminal is broken |
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| 17:03.28 | hape | but over all you are right. A spacial ssh app, like puty in windows or pssh on the Palm OS would be nice |
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| 17:06.37 | Abyssul_wIRC | howdy |
| 17:06.41 | braxton | hi |
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| 17:12.16 | Abyssul_wIRC | lots of news coming out of webos :) |
| 17:16.50 | cashen | Abyssul_wIRC: like? |
| 17:16.52 | bpadalino | hrm .. |
| 17:17.19 | bpadalino | i slept for quite some time! |
| 17:17.24 | Abyssul_wIRC | doom, quake, gpu news? |
| 17:17.44 | cashen | Abyssul_wIRC: ah, ok, didnt know if there was somethign i missed |
| 17:17.56 | Abyssul_wIRC | haha |
| 17:18.04 | Abyssul_wIRC | opengl demo |
| 17:18.13 | Abyssul_wIRC | I think that what it was |
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| 17:21.34 | Shiggity | Engadget app. I've seen few more pre users than normal posting up there the past few days. |
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| 17:22.40 | SteveApos | anybody figure out why some people can't get quake to load but doom starts up just fine? |
| 17:23.05 | nw | did you download the update |
| 17:23.18 | nw | someone tell me what my name is showing up as |
| 17:23.26 | nw | my mirc client is driving my crazy |
| 17:23.32 | SteveApos | it's showing up as nw |
| 17:23.36 | nw | hmm |
| 17:23.44 | SteveApos | which update are you referring to? |
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| 17:29.32 | SteveApos | any ideas to why quake would be giving me a segmentation fault? |
| 17:29.41 | cashen | is http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/roadmap current? |
| 17:30.09 | lt83850 | SteveApos, works fine, do update feed i preware get latest booststrap and quake updates |
| 17:30.58 | SteveApos | my preware says I have no available updates but I'll try reinstalling the bootstrap |
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| 17:36.39 | SteveApos | still getting the same issue lt83850 |
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| 17:38.00 | Leathal | if i compile an app inside a debian chroot on the pre, is there any way to pull it out of debian so it can run outside of the chroot? |
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| 17:41.33 | rick_sleep | steve you haven't run mytether have you? |
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| 17:47.43 | destinal | Leathal: yeah, you just copy it |
| 17:47.47 | destinal | Leathal: oh, you're gone |
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| 17:48.40 | destinal | g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus) |
| 17:48.41 | rick_sleep | destinal you creeps. I go to bed and you figure out the fun stuff. |
| 17:48.49 | destinal | something on my pre wanted it dead |
| 17:49.02 | rick_sleep | literally just an appinfo.json and a type of game? |
| 17:49.07 | rick_sleep | I'm blown away. |
| 17:49.12 | destinal | rick_sleep: heh, I knew it was in there |
| 17:49.20 | destinal | just had to hunt around a bit |
| 17:49.44 | jbjoerk | :) |
| 17:49.53 | rick_sleep | yeah, but I was planning on hunting around today. :-) |
| 17:49.54 | destinal | I wish now that we would have gone looking for it on DOOMsday as opposed to the upstart thing |
| 17:50.05 | rick_sleep | No, this is better . |
| 17:50.16 | rick_sleep | this way we get a SERIES of front page articles with our name on it. |
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| 17:50.28 | rick_sleep | from an evangelism perspective, this is the better way. |
| 17:50.34 | rick_sleep | also, it's the way research works. |
| 17:50.42 | destinal | release early, release often |
| 17:50.43 | destinal | :) |
| 17:50.49 | rick_sleep | nodnodnod |
| 17:51.08 | Smubeht | for installing quake is it as easy as just installing through preware? i did that and it doesnt launch..not sureif something is wrong with my pre or if i did something wrong |
| 17:51.16 | Smubeht | it gives the notification message Quake starting |
| 17:51.19 | Smubeht | but nothing opens up |
| 17:51.33 | nfoxTc | Ive seen a couple other people with that problem |
| 17:51.37 | StavrosLazos | yeah I have that same issue I can't figure it out |
| 17:51.39 | nfoxTc | not sure what causes it though |
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| 17:51.52 | nfoxTc | do you guys have any other apps open? |
| 17:51.59 | rick_sleep | nfoxTc have you ever run mytether? |
| 17:52.00 | StavrosLazos | contemplating running epr and seeing if it's related to a patch |
| 17:52.02 | Smubeht | nothing else open |
| 17:52.04 | nfoxTc | or are you tethered maybe that could cause some kind of confliect |
| 17:52.08 | nfoxTc | conflict* |
| 17:52.10 | Smubeht | i ran it right after a reboot |
| 17:52.13 | destinal | rick_sleep: I've got to get distcc or otherwise cross-compile modify my autoconf stuff |
| 17:52.18 | nfoxTc | if i didnt rick_sleep I wouldnt be talking to you here :) |
| 17:52.21 | StavrosLazos | I've tried to open it after a fresh restart and couldn't run it |
| 17:52.30 | destinal | my pre does not like being a build box, watchdogs killing off resource hogging g++ |
| 17:52.33 | rick_sleep | mytether causes massive conflicts with the binary apps |
| 17:52.42 | Smubeht | i dont have mytether |
| 17:52.45 | rick_sleep | he's breaking all sorts of palm code with what he's sticking in there. |
| 17:52.54 | Robi_ | uhh I can't tar up the device, it reboot/hangs every time |
| 17:52.55 | Smubeht | heh |
| 17:53.04 | destinal | rick_sleep: yeah, so it seems. the kernel module specifically |
| 17:53.38 | rick_sleep | Robi_ you can't tar up the entire device |
| 17:53.40 | rick_sleep | and don't need to |
| 17:53.51 | rick_sleep | just get /usr and /media |
| 17:54.00 | StavrosLazos | I'll try getting rid of mytether I heard it was just one of the patches for it but I'll see if it's the program in general |
| 17:54.15 | destinal | anyone who's having problems with doom or quake, the ultimate fix in my experience is to doctor |
| 17:54.15 | Robi_ | i was going to avoid /sys and /proc |
| 17:54.15 | nfoxTc | its not |
| 17:54.19 | rick_sleep | if you have a working mytether in 135 it kills binary . |
| 17:54.23 | nfoxTc | because i have mytether and i havent had any problems |
| 17:54.31 | destinal | every pre I've ever seen freshly doctored with 135 will play doom |
| 17:54.31 | nfoxTc | not true |
| 17:54.44 | nfoxTc | because my setup is fine and i play qake and doom |
| 17:54.58 | destinal | nfoxTc: do you have the wifi fix in mytether turned on? |
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| 17:55.08 | nfoxTc | no |
| 17:55.11 | destinal | that's why |
| 17:55.12 | nfoxTc | i have the free version |
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| 17:55.22 | nfoxTc | for wifi tethering? |
| 17:55.32 | destinal | the wifi tethering fix is a kernel module |
| 17:55.47 | destinal | when people load it, SDL's /dev/fb1 breaks |
| 17:55.59 | nfoxTc | ok i follow you so far |
| 17:56.15 | nfoxTc | ah |
| 17:56.37 | StavrosLazos | destinal I can play doom |
| 17:56.43 | StavrosLazos | just not quake |
| 17:57.16 | Smubeht | 3000 Autoreplace Words, 5x4 Icons v2, Audio/Video Attachments, Battery Icon as Percent, Call Duration in Call Log, Character Counter, Device Menu Remix with Flashlight, Enable Landscape Email, Enable Landscape Messaging, Enable LED Notifications, Gesture Tap forInfo and Delete, Match State to Area Code, Power Button to End Calls, Read/Delete All Email, Replies/Forwards Black Font, Timestamps - Clean, Unhide Dev Mode Icon, Virtual |
| 17:57.20 | Smubeht | thsoe are the patches i have |
| 17:57.26 | Smubeht | i too can play doom just not quake |
| 17:58.06 | destinal | StavrosLazos Smubeht: install terminal and cd into the quake directory and run ./quake |
| 17:58.11 | destinal | ler's see what the error is |
| 17:58.26 | DominganPre | its not the patches I have them and run both |
| 17:58.27 | StavrosLazos | done that destinal gets segmentation fault |
| 17:58.34 | StavrosLazos | after the console initializes |
| 17:58.35 | destinal | huh |
| 17:58.36 | Smubeht | what is the quake directory |
| 17:59.13 | StavrosLazos | running manually that's what I tet |
| 17:59.15 | StavrosLazos | get* |
| 17:59.17 | destinal | cd /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.sdlquake I think |
| 18:00.44 | StavrosLazos | bah I'm on my phone so I can't copy and paste it lol |
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| 18:01.18 | StavrosLazos | can't find gfx/pop.lmp is one of the errors |
| 18:01.23 | hborders | is there a patch/app for replacing system sounds? I saw a wiki article about doing it manually, but it would be ideal if there was a gui for it |
| 18:02.11 | StavrosLazos | brb gunna restart and try something |
| 18:02.18 | Smubeht | i cant run it with ./quake |
| 18:04.25 | Smubeht | it says ./quake: not found |
| 18:04.42 | Smubeht | im in the directory upto org.webosinterlas.sdlquake# |
| 18:04.51 | dtzWill | Smubeht: it's in 'bin' iirc |
| 18:05.21 | Smubeht | how i get there? |
| 18:06.13 | dtzWill | cd bin |
| 18:06.14 | Smubeht | nvm |
| 18:06.18 | dtzWill | no i mean it's... yeah |
| 18:06.52 | Smubeht | ok so here is what i get |
| 18:07.03 | Smubeht | Added packfile ./id1/pak0.pak (339 files) |
| 18:07.14 | Smubeht | FindFile: can't find gfx/pop.lmp |
| 18:07.18 | Smubeht | Playing shareware version. |
| 18:07.36 | Smubeht | PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx.wad |
| 18:07.40 | Smubeht | Console initialized |
| 18:07.44 | Smubeht | Segmentation fault |
| 18:07.59 | dtzWill | Smubeht: ty for the log, i'll take a look |
| 18:08.13 | dtzWill | i don't have much time, but i'll try to fix it as soon as i can :) |
| 18:08.16 | Smubeht | np |
| 18:08.36 | Smubeht | well just knowing some are having success with it working..is beyond great news so thanks very much =) |
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| 18:09.07 | StavrosLazos | welp no luck still can't get it to run |
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| 18:09.39 | Striker | hello all |
| 18:09.43 | Smubeht | i wonder if its where it installed to.. |
| 18:09.47 | rick_sleep | hborders no one has written one. |
| 18:09.55 | Smubeht | i think that error comes when it tries to access memory it doesnt have access to |
| 18:10.15 | hborders | rick_sleep: ok thanks. |
| 18:10.28 | Striker | just have a ? a buddy told me to come here is there a coupon app for grocery stores ? |
| 18:10.48 | Smubeht | well im off anyways thakns again for the cool updates on this front =) |
| 18:10.55 | dtzWill | Smubeht: we know what a segfault is; the problem is that is the gfx/pop.lmp it apparently can't find |
| 18:11.10 | Smubeht | oh |
| 18:11.55 | StavrosLazos | dtz you think it's getting installed in the wrong spot for some people or not at all? |
| 18:12.03 | StavrosLazos | I've been getting that since the demo |
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| 18:12.25 | dtzWill | ARGH i got to go everyone |
| 18:12.26 | dtzWill | sorry |
| 18:12.30 | dtzWill | i'll take a look when i got back |
| 18:12.51 | Striker | does anyone no ? |
| 18:13.56 | destinal | Striker: have you tried uninstalling and reinstalling? not sure that helps, but its worth a shot |
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| 18:14.46 | Striker | destinal: uninstall what ? |
| 18:15.01 | destinal | Striker: quake app |
| 18:15.07 | destinal | via preware |
| 18:15.12 | StavrosLazos | I have doesn't seem to do anything |
| 18:15.28 | StavrosLazos | and I completely uninstalled mytether with no luck |
| 18:15.30 | Striker | I'm not talking about quake destinal |
| 18:16.19 | Striker | destinal: a buddy told me to come in here looking for a app for grocery store coupons |
| 18:16.37 | Striker | that are local to me |
| 18:16.58 | rick_sleep | Striker this is definietly the wrong channel |
| 18:17.23 | Striker | where do I go |
| 18:18.01 | cashen | Striker: what? |
| 18:18.52 | Striker | cashen: rick_sleep said I was in the wrong channel so I asked were do I go for this info |
| 18:20.32 | Striker | rick_sleep: can you tell me where to go ? |
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| 18:20.58 | youslippin | precentral.net |
| 18:21.36 | Striker | youslippin: for the app ? |
| 18:22.03 | youslippin | not sure if it exists but if it does you'll find info there |
| 18:22.28 | oc80z | woopty woop |
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| 18:22.54 | Striker | ok anything I can do to request the app youslippin |
| 18:23.10 | youslippin | huh? |
| 18:23.14 | Striker | oc80z: is that the app ? |
| 18:24.10 | Striker | youslippin: you said precenteral.net if I don't find the app can I request it there ? |
| 18:24.18 | destinal | rick_sleep: so, not only will it kill g++ when it's using all reseources, but if I stop luna to gain more, the device will reboot itself soon after |
| 18:24.28 | destinal | rick_sleep: it's very much not happy with what I want it to do |
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| 18:25.35 | youslippin | check the precentral forums..... |
| 18:26.06 | Striker | youslippin: ok so I can make a request there than correct |
| 18:28.43 | cal_ | hmm, after updating to 1.3.5 webos quick install does not detect my phone, any ideas? |
| 18:29.14 | oc80z | whats good? |
| 18:29.36 | oc80z | cal_ disable NDIS tether b/s |
| 18:29.38 | oc80z | restart the novacom service |
| 18:30.14 | cal_ | ndis? you mean mytether? |
| 18:30.20 | destinal | 2010-01-03T18:21:55.609130Z [99] castle user.err UpdateDaemon: syncdata failed. |
| 18:30.20 | destinal | 2010-01-03T18:21:55.609741Z [99] castle user.err UpdateDaemon: Is an external package installed in rootfs? |
| 18:30.34 | destinal | oh, boy are they |
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| 18:33.26 | danstah | so when should we expect to see quake and doom work without the upstart service? |
| 18:33.45 | cal_ | oc80z: what do you mean by ndis tether |
| 18:33.48 | Robi_ | rick_sleep: /usr and /media you say, what about where the sqlite db is, isn't that in /var ? |
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| 18:35.00 | destinal | danstah: we've got that figured out and they shouldn't even need postinst. |
| 18:35.14 | destinal | rwhitby was saying the app launches a little slower |
| 18:35.24 | destinal | and of course you can only open one at a time |
| 18:36.49 | danstah | I am way excited for it.. Really opens up a ton of possibilities. |
| 18:37.19 | danstah | I just looked and saw the one on preware still requires upstart. wonder when we'll see it hit the feeds |
| 18:37.21 | destinal | s/one at/one instance of a given app/ |
| 18:37.55 | destinal | bbl, errands |
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| 18:40.00 | radde | mh ... using the luna manager, to restart luna, didn't solve my Problem with most of the patches :/ |
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| 18:41.17 | radde | For example, if i try to install the Advanced Phone Menu it do not start after installing, regardless what i do, exept doing a partial delete of the device |
| 18:42.10 | radde | but after this PreWare do not longer know that this patch was installed and i can't reinstall or delete them |
| 18:42.46 | radde | this is really disturbing |
| 18:43.01 | radde | anybody have any other suggestions? |
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| 18:47.11 | radde | could it be, that many of these patches are created for WebOS 1.3.5 and since i'm restricted to 1.3.1 that i have problems with getting them to work? |
| 18:48.24 | cal_ | when i go to 'device management' on webos quick install, the list of apps is empty. Trying to remove old preware after phone updated to 1.3.5..? |
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| 18:53.36 | nfoxTc | you know would be a nice control setup for a fps? |
| 18:54.22 | nfoxTc | touch screen to look around right side of gesture area (or top depending how you hold the phone) left for back and you could tap to shoot |
| 18:54.39 | nfoxTc | right side = foward |
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| 19:00.35 | radde | damn, nobody has any suggestions for my problem? |
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| 19:05.42 | ird | radde: preware only installs patches for your current version of webos. |
| 19:06.03 | ird | so no matter what version (I'm not sure how far back they go) but it should install the right version. |
| 19:06.22 | radde | i know ... but i found no other way asking for help. :/ |
| 19:07.07 | ird | I'm not sure. I think rwhitby was talking about some problems on the server side of things but I can't remember. |
| 19:07.20 | ird | I don't know enough about how it all works to help too much. |
| 19:08.59 | radde | You know, it is really distrurbing, that i have to perform a partial delete in order to get these patches to work propper. :/ |
| 19:11.09 | ird | idk |
| 19:11.13 | ird | It's always worked fine for me. |
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| 19:11.21 | ird | 90% of problems are caused by the end user :p |
| 19:11.53 | radde | :D |
| 19:12.40 | radde | i'm confident that i do not make some stupid mistakes :/ |
| 19:13.45 | Lumiere | there was a bug in ipkgservice 0.9.27 fixed today |
| 19:13.54 | KEYofR | My dad use to repair tv's and the favorite phrase was "A little knowledge will kill you." ;) |
| 19:14.11 | radde | narf |
| 19:14.14 | Lumiere | relating to deleteing packages |
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| 19:39.29 | jmyaonpalmpre | what's up guys? |
| 19:39.51 | kesne | Who is guys? Can I be guys? |
| 19:40.15 | danstah_ | is anyone using the smart reflex 500 patch still?? |
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| 19:41.04 | danstah_ | Is it right to assume that the smart relfex is not the problem with these patches and that the change of cpu frequency is why people are having issues with the other ones |
| 19:41.18 | kesne | danstah_: The dangerous one that got pulled? |
| 19:41.36 | danstah_ | the 500 SR one is still on preware |
| 19:41.47 | jmyaonpalmpre | did anyone read precentrals story and think something was missing? |
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| 19:42.10 | kesne | jmyaonpalmpre: What exactly did you think was missing? |
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| 19:43.22 | jmyaonpalmpre | referance of wdtz |
| 19:44.53 | oc80w | what's hood |
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| 19:47.03 | Abyssul_wIRC | man I love this 1.3.5 update. so much smoother |
| 19:47.15 | sportman | when di u guys do quake? |
| 19:47.17 | Abyssul_wIRC | can't wait for CES |
| 19:47.20 | sportman | fucken great job |
| 19:47.35 | Abyssul_wIRC | yesterday |
| 19:48.04 | jmyaonpalmpre | about 4 am lol |
| 19:49.19 | windzilla | I downloaded quake around 4:30 am last night, didn't get back to sleep till 8 |
| 19:49.36 | sportman | lol |
| 19:49.38 | windzilla | thanks now I'm tired and late, thanks guys |
| 19:50.52 | jmyaonpalmpre | I am just getting up now it's 250pm I was up till about 6 with quake lol |
| 19:50.59 | Abyssul_wIRC | it too dark for me to play |
| 19:51.16 | jmyaonpalmpre | to dark???? |
| 19:51.57 | jmyaonpalmpre | even with brightness on 1 I could still see it |
| 19:52.07 | Abyssul_wIRC | I can barely see the environment |
| 19:52.12 | danstah_ | i am just waiting til i don't need to use the upstart service to launch it. Not because i have anything against it or anything |
| 19:52.26 | Abyssul_wIRC | might be the sun glare or something |
| 19:52.40 | kesne | You don't need upstart |
| 19:52.52 | jmyaonpalmpre | yo don't now !!!!! lol |
| 19:52.57 | kesne | I tried to repackage as a game and stuff |
| 19:52.59 | danstah_ | kesne, preware still says it needs it |
| 19:53.02 | kesne | I couldnt get it working |
| 19:53.08 | kesne | The preware version does need it |
| 19:53.27 | jmyaonpalmpre | why don't you want upstart may I ask? |
| 19:53.41 | kesne | If anyone gives me a non-upstart version, I'll gladly submit to the App Catalog just to mess with them ;) |
| 19:53.45 | danstah_ | i dunno. i just looked right now and it still says it depends on upsatart |
| 19:54.36 | danstah_ | jmyaonpalmpre, no reason really |
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| 19:55.14 | jmyaonpalmpre | then ur missing a whole bunch of phone for "no reason really" |
| 19:55.34 | jmyaonpalmpre | fun ** |
| 19:55.51 | danstah_ | jmyaonpalmpre, i figure it'll come out quick w/o the jumpstart so i mights as well just get it when it doesn't need the service |
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| 19:57.06 | kesne | Is the guy that "ported" quake in here? |
| 19:57.18 | jmyaonpalmpre | I'm not sure what you think the quake ap does but ....you press app and you play no need for anything else ....stuff happens in background I guess |
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| 19:59.19 | Jack87 | kesne: he is set away. it was dtzWill|away |
| 20:00.24 | kesne | Oh okay |
| 20:00.30 | hape | kesne: No dtzWill|away is still away ;) |
| 20:00.39 | kesne | I really want to submit quake to Palm |
| 20:00.44 | kesne | Watch the reviews flip out |
| 20:00.46 | Jack87 | kesne: you shold be able to pull the files from bin and package it |
| 20:00.50 | kesne | *reviewers |
| 20:00.54 | kesne | Jack87: I could |
| 20:00.56 | kesne | But |
| 20:00.58 | Jack87 | to test... have you tested your method yet? |
| 20:01.08 | kesne | I want his permission |
| 20:01.09 | kesne | And |
| 20:01.16 | kesne | I tried it and couldnt get it working |
| 20:01.40 | kmax12|sleeping | kesne: what did you try? |
| 20:01.47 | Jack87 | okay. ya for testing reasons that is |
| 20:02.06 | kesne | Changing type to game and main pointing to the ARM quake binary |
| 20:02.36 | egaudet_wirc | kesne that won't work |
| 20:02.40 | Jack87 | hum. rwhitby was the one that orignally packaged it |
| 20:03.01 | egaudet_wirc | the PWD must contain the .wad file |
| 20:03.03 | kesne | egaudet_wirc: well, when the app didnt launch I figured |
| 20:03.07 | kesne | Oh |
| 20:03.22 | egaudet_wirc | a wrapper script to cd then run it is needed |
| 20:03.30 | egaudet_wirc | and main points to that |
| 20:03.44 | kesne | Okay |
| 20:03.47 | Jack87 | anyone know why doom startsfor some but quake doesnt? |
| 20:04.15 | kesne | Where the hell is rwhitby |
| 20:04.19 | kesne | He did this originally |
| 20:04.24 | kesne | He probably has the IPK |
| 20:04.35 | Jack87 | i dunno he should of been here an hour ago he is late! |
| 20:04.42 | Jack87 | rwhitby: you are fired! ;) |
| 20:04.58 | Shiggity_ | Blast. Komodo edit won't launch anything into the emulator. No output or anything. |
| 20:05.22 | egaudet_wirc | it's like 6am or somethin right |
| 20:05.26 | kesne | 7am |
| 20:05.33 | kesne | Where he lives |
| 20:05.38 | kesne | 12PM over here |
| 20:05.46 | Jack87 | egaudet_wirc: its 7 he should be up by now |
| 20:05.58 | kesne | I got up an hour ago |
| 20:06.00 | Jack87 | unless he spent all night playing with his findings |
| 20:06.03 | kesne | so 11 |
| 20:06.04 | kesne | :P |
| 20:06.17 | kesne | Though, it's monday for him |
| 20:06.20 | Jack87 | haha half hour ago for me. but i was also up all night testing quake |
| 20:06.31 | Jack87 | kesne: that is true.. omnday |
| 20:06.46 | kesne | I fell asleep around 1 or 2 |
| 20:06.51 | kesne | Woke up at 11 |
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| 20:07.06 | Jack87 | so options menu let you customize keys |
| 20:07.10 | kesne | Though, I am 15, so I'm sure that has something to do with it |
| 20:07.47 | Jack87 | still cant figure out why no custom settings stick and autoexec doesnt work |
| 20:08.17 | kesne | Arg, I also need an app icon for quake |
| 20:08.48 | Jack87 | kesne: are you calling me old? |
| 20:09.10 | Jack87 | how about penguin with quake symbol on belly |
| 20:09.12 | Jack87 | i like that :) |
| 20:09.29 | kesne | Jack87: That would work |
| 20:09.41 | kesne | The thing is they wont accept it anyway. |
| 20:09.43 | Jack87 | who is making these icons |
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| 20:10.39 | kesne | That is a good question |
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| 20:18.17 | Shiggity_ | Well, isn't there a license issue with the WAD file? |
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| 20:18.58 | Shiggity_ | I mean, if you aren't distributing the copyrighted WAD, I don't see why it couldn't be submitted like Need4Speed will be. |
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| 20:19.54 | Shiggity_ | Also, I may have been using Visual Studio for too long. Both eclipse and Komodo edit are throwing me for a loop here :-\ |
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| 20:20.46 | Jack87 | kesne: http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/webos-internals/39729d1262549997-quake-quake-icon-copy.png |
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| 20:21.26 | JMyaDaGod | i like that one |
| 20:21.56 | Jack87 | little quicky i just mad |
| 20:21.57 | Jack87 | made |
| 20:22.04 | Jack87 | i dunno if its bad to use quake logo or not |
| 20:23.46 | Jack87 | i can resize if needed not sure what pixels thes icons are |
| 20:28.09 | Jack87 | this one has nose over the steak http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/webos-internals/39730d1262550441-quake-quake-icon2-copy.png |
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| 20:34.00 | cal_ | where is the 64bit linux version of novacom |
| 20:38.13 | Lumiere | compile one? |
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| 20:41.23 | Jack87 | hey is it good to run migration tool before or after 1.3.5 update |
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| 20:43.49 | Jost | Hi. Can anyone give me some help on how to get Quake to run on my Pre? It just won't start. |
| 20:46.48 | gkatsev | Jost: how did you install it? from preware? |
| 20:47.03 | StavrosLazos | not sure we've figured that out yet Jost I still can't get mine working either |
| 20:47.18 | gkatsev | Jost: make sure to install the upstart manager service |
| 20:48.15 | Jack87 | Jost: its known that if you have the My Tether Wifi patch installed the game will not run. so make sure the wifi patch in my tether is not installed. |
| 20:48.28 | Jost | Yes I installed via preware - and it installed the upstart manager service |
| 20:48.47 | gkatsev | Jost: still doesnt work? |
| 20:48.48 | Jack87 | Jost: does doom work? |
| 20:48.59 | StavrosLazos | I've been having that same issue since the demo |
| 20:49.12 | Jost | I have no my tether patch installed |
| 20:49.21 | Jost | I ll test doom right now |
| 20:49.47 | egaudet_wirc | Jack87: shouldn't matter re: emh |
| 20:50.04 | Jack87 | egaudet_wirc: thanks |
| 20:50.19 | StavrosLazos | doom works for me but quake gives a can't find gfx/pop.lmp error |
| 20:50.31 | egaudet_wirc | cal_: I don't think there's 64bit novacom you need 32bit libs I believe |
| 20:50.51 | Jack87 | i cant figure out why doom works for some and not others... anyone have any idea |
| 20:50.59 | gkatsev | yeah, you install via --force-architecture or w/e |
| 20:51.41 | Jack87 | cal_: http://vz.aonic.net/pre/NovacomInstaller_x64.msi give that a shot. i think it acts funny on win7 |
| 20:51.47 | StavrosLazos | only thing I can't figure out is why doom works fine and quake doesnt |
| 20:52.06 | gkatsev | StavrosLazos: try restarting? reinstalling? |
| 20:52.15 | egaudet_wirc | quake is still just a demo right? |
| 20:52.27 | Jack87 | egaudet_wirc: quake is playable |
| 20:52.28 | Abyssul | Jack87: Is that link a breach of copyright? |
| 20:52.28 | StavrosLazos | tried both |
| 20:52.38 | Jack87 | egaudet_wirc: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Quake#Known_Issues |
| 20:52.52 | egaudet_wirc | Jack87: cal_ was asking for linux 64 bit |
| 20:52.54 | StavrosLazos | reinstalling restarting deleting mytether all together nothing seems to work |
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| 20:53.36 | Jost | Doom doesn't start either. The notification area shows a message for the split of a second. But it's gone too fast to be able to read it. |
| 20:53.53 | cal_ | jack: using linux |
| 20:54.02 | StavrosLazos | if you can't get either sounds like the upstart issue someone in the forums had |
| 20:54.16 | gkatsev | cal_: ubuntu? install ia-32 and then install via --force-architecture |
| 20:54.27 | StavrosLazos | reinstall quake doom and the upstart from webosqi jost |
| 20:54.29 | StavrosLazos | and see if it works |
| 20:54.37 | gkatsev | or from preware, lol |
| 20:54.51 | cal_ | gkatsev : yeah i did.. but it did this: |
| 20:55.02 | cal_ | Setting up palm-novacom (1.0.46) ... |
| 20:55.02 | cal_ | stop: Unknown job: palm-novacomd |
| 20:55.02 | cal_ | Killed novacomd(2511) with signal 15 |
| 20:55.02 | cal_ | start: Unknown job: palm-novacomd |
| 20:55.31 | gkatsev | does novaterm work? |
| 20:55.31 | StavrosLazos | gkatsev: only said qi because someone said it didn't work from preware but worked when he reinstalled with webosqi |
| 20:55.44 | cal_ | gkatsev : only if i start novacomd manually |
| 20:55.55 | gkatsev | StavrosLazos: i installed quake and doom via preware and both work |
| 20:55.57 | cal_ | for some reason it didnt create the autostart stuff |
| 20:56.21 | StavrosLazos | it's not on everyones phones akatsev. |
| 20:56.29 | StavrosLazos | I know mine personally won't run quake but plays doom |
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| 20:56.35 | gkatsev | StavrosLazos: well, why not. :) |
| 20:56.37 | StavrosLazos | and both mine were preware |
| 20:56.44 | egaudet_wirc | cal_: do initctl --reload-configuration |
| 20:56.54 | egaudet_wirc | then start palm-novacomd |
| 20:57.15 | cal_ | i have to do sudo /opt/Palm/novacom/novacomd |
| 20:57.17 | StavrosLazos | because preware hates me and doesn't want me to enjoy quake :) |
| 20:57.22 | cal_ | ok |
| 20:58.06 | cal_ | cal@ubuntu:~/pre_apps$ sudo initctl --reload-configuration |
| 20:58.07 | cal_ | initctl: invalid option: --reload-configuration |
| 20:58.59 | cal_ | did it without the -- and it worked (checked help) |
| 20:59.14 | egaudet | sorry yea |
| 20:59.24 | cal_ | cal@ubuntu:~/pre_apps$ start palm-novacom |
| 20:59.26 | cal_ | start: Unknown job: palm-novacom |
| 20:59.30 | egaudet | start palm-novacomd |
| 20:59.37 | egaudet | forgot the d |
| 20:59.47 | cal_ | ok that worked |
| 21:00.05 | cal_ | so why did the dpkg fail to install the start script? |
| 21:00.14 | cal_ | and will this autostart on reboot now too? |
| 21:01.43 | cal_ | crap |
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| 21:02.57 | cal_ | egaudet: the whole reason I did this was that my user-installed content list is empty.. under device management on webos quick install. I thought maybe i needed to upgrade novacom. its still empty however. I need to remove preware and reinstall after I did the pre update. any ideas? |
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| 21:04.31 | egaudet | the dpkg installs the upstart configuration file but never reloads the configuration so upstart doesn't know it exists until you do. |
| 21:04.37 | egaudet | can you novaterm? |
| 21:04.55 | egaudet | QI 2.96 or later, or novaterm and use the bootstrap script |
| 21:05.08 | cal_ | yeah i can novaterm |
| 21:05.15 | cal_ | and the terminal in webos quick install works |
| 21:05.25 | cal_ | just no app list under 'device management' |
| 21:05.27 | egaudet | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware#Installing.2FUpdating_via_Automated_Script_.28Bootstrap.29 |
| 21:06.05 | egaudet | I don't know anything about QI though |
| 21:06.11 | cal_ | (I didnt remove patches/themes/etc it updated on me when I didnt want it too) |
| 21:07.54 | egaudet | after you get preware back running from the boostrap, install EMH to make sure migration goes through, and then install EPR to remove all patches |
| 21:08.03 | cal_ | i will try running EPL |
| 21:08.11 | cal_ | err EPR |
| 21:08.34 | cal_ | what is EMH? |
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| 21:08.58 | Skinneejay | Hello? |
| 21:11.01 | Jost | Sorry, I have to ask that stupid question: Where do I get the install file for quake when I want to install it with webosqi? |
| 21:12.05 | Skinneejay | Not sure if anyone is in here except you and I |
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| 21:13.56 | Skinneejay | My question has to do with Preware not quake |
| 21:14.02 | kesne | Is that Jack guy still here? |
| 21:14.22 | rick-home | Skinneejay what is your question |
| 21:14.38 | rick-home | Jost please don't try to install it via webos quick install. |
| 21:14.46 | rick-home | Please use preware, it's optimized for preware. |
| 21:15.04 | rick-home | Skinneejay there's a lot of people who are here, but not nessesarily at their keyboards |
| 21:15.15 | Jack87 | whats up kesne |
| 21:15.24 | Skinneejay | I had to doctor my phone, So I reinstalled Preware and when I go back into the patches it shows I have them installed which I don't and |
| 21:15.28 | rick-home | Jost if you have to use webosquickinstall it's in the webos-internals feeds. |
| 21:15.30 | Jost | Well, it doesn't work when I install it with Preware |
| 21:15.47 | bpadalino | wow .. we were at 140 users for quite a while .. not we're up at 172 .. i think we spiked around 200 way back when the pre first came out and we started out with it |
| 21:15.50 | rick-home | jost, then it won't work with you install it with webos-quick install |
| 21:15.58 | Jost | okay |
| 21:16.05 | rick-home | jost what happens? |
| 21:16.11 | rick-home | pre or pixie, |
| 21:16.16 | Jost | pre |
| 21:16.21 | rick-home | and do you have mytether installed? |
| 21:16.26 | Jost | no |
| 21:16.27 | ird | rick-home: so with the new upstart service. Does this open up the possibility for native homebrew? |
| 21:16.29 | cal_ | jack87: do i need to reinstall mytether after upgrading to 1.3.5? |
| 21:16.49 | rick-home | ird, the point is that quake and doom ARE native hombrew aren't they? |
| 21:16.55 | Jack87 | cal_: yes |
| 21:17.12 | Jost | the notfication area displays a message very quick. Too fast to read. That's it. |
| 21:17.15 | ird | rick-home: well, yes. But I meant more like native app, not games. |
| 21:17.24 | rick-home | ird - as long as your app uses sdl, then launching it to a card is dead simple. |
| 21:17.24 | ird | So I guess I answered my own question. |
| 21:17.29 | ird | ah |
| 21:17.30 | ird | ok |
| 21:17.34 | rick-home | but ird, they ARE apps. |
| 21:17.40 | ird | yeah |
| 21:17.47 | rick-home | yeah |
| 21:17.51 | gkatsev | yeah |
| 21:17.54 | ird | sure |
| 21:17.55 | Skinneejay | I had to doctor my phone, So I reinstalled Preware and when I go back into the patches it shows I have them installed which I don't |
| 21:17.58 | rick-home | now, be aware, if your app is not sdl, then it's going to be a no-go |
| 21:18.13 | gkatsev | Skinneejay: restart luna |
| 21:18.14 | rick-home | which means, we have NOT got an x-windows server for webos |
| 21:18.16 | ird | That's what I was thinking, thanks rick-home |
| 21:18.22 | rick-home | it's going to have to be direct sdl |
| 21:18.36 | rick-home | x-sdl is a very very dead project, but we might revive it. |
| 21:18.41 | Skinneejay | I tried that twice already. Let me try one more time. |
| 21:18.43 | ird | why would you need an x server? |
| 21:18.48 | ird | Isn't that pretty much what luna does? |
| 21:18.53 | rick-home | if you wanted to run x apps |
| 21:18.59 | gkatsev | Skinneejay: try restarting the phone itself, if luna restart didnt work |
| 21:19.00 | ird | oh okay |
| 21:19.05 | rick-home | luna is a window manager, but it is not an X-windows window manager |
| 21:19.15 | rick-home | so, you can't run x-apps. |
| 21:19.47 | cal_ | jack87: is there a way to do that from terminal instead of windows installer? (full version) |
| 21:20.13 | ird | rick-home: I didn't know people actually wanted to run x apps :p |
| 21:20.28 | rick-home | there are a LOT of x apps out there. |
| 21:20.53 | rick-home | ok |
| 21:21.00 | rick-home | bbiab - gotta go run errands |
| 21:21.45 | Skinneejay | Do you have any other options if the restart doesn't work? |
| 21:22.21 | ird | If you've tried reinstalling, restarting (luna and the phone), i'd say to webos doctor, but someone can probably help you troubleshoot without going that far. |
| 21:22.37 | ird | I'm not the right person to be answering questions about this :p |
| 21:22.49 | gkatsev | so, anyone porting quake 2 and 3 over to the pre? |
| 21:23.00 | Skinneejay | I hope i don't have to doctor again. :( |
| 21:23.11 | egaudet | Skinneejay, doctoring will not solve your issue |
| 21:23.25 | ird | egaudet: thanks :) |
| 21:23.45 | Skinneejay | Yea still shows up. Its so weird |
| 21:23.50 | egaudet | the issue is created because the doctor installed all new Palm stock files that the patches patched. But the doctor doesn't wipe /media/internal which is where the ipkg data is stored. |
| 21:24.15 | egaudet | there are 2 things you can try... brb door |
| 21:24.27 | Skinneejay | k |
| 21:24.32 | Abyssul | woot woot, animated emoticons in Messaging app |
| 21:24.45 | ird | now all we need is duke nukem :D |
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| 21:25.07 | gkatsev | duke nukem 3d? yes please |
| 21:25.21 | gkatsev | wolfenstein 3d? |
| 21:25.21 | ird | someone said there was an oss duke game that used sdl |
| 21:25.31 | gkatsev | yes, i believe there is |
| 21:27.17 | gkatsev | there is alephone/sdl (marathon) the precursor to halo |
| 21:28.04 | bpadalino | it's not just SDL you have to worry about .. it's GLES instead of GL as well .. :( |
| 21:28.21 | MetaView | I vote for Hexen2 :D |
| 21:28.25 | egaudet | Skinneejay, so you can fix it via command line, or you can do partial erase which will wipe out all apps including preware |
| 21:28.29 | bpadalino | which, unfortunately, is not trivial |
| 21:28.44 | Skinneejay | mmm |
| 21:28.49 | Skinneejay | which one is easier? |
| 21:28.54 | Skinneejay | and safer |
| 21:29.16 | gkatsev | bpadalino: but isnt having it sdl already half the battle? |
| 21:29.22 | egaudet | command line will keep preware so it's better IMO |
| 21:29.51 | ird | arg |
| 21:29.51 | Skinneejay | if I choose to do it command line what do i need to do? |
| 21:29.52 | bpadalino | gkatsev: indeed SDL is half the battle .. especially if all IO (audio, joystick, video, etc) go through there .. |
| 21:29.58 | ird | the incresed threshold patch is stuck on :( |
| 21:30.05 | coles | anyone thinking of porting frozen bubble? it's already SDL |
| 21:30.33 | coles | (though I'm still waiting for 1.3.5 in the UK, grrr) |
| 21:30.34 | bpadalino | oh frozen bubble looks like puzzle bobble which i love to play |
| 21:30.47 | gkatsev | bpadalino: yep |
| 21:30.54 | gkatsev | bpadalino: port it over :) |
| 21:30.55 | MetaView | a nice SDL-game: Crimson Fields |
| 21:31.59 | egaudet | Skinneejay, novaterm in or via terminal type: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove *patches* |
| 21:32.13 | egaudet | Only ever do that after a doctor when you know files are stock |
| 21:33.15 | Skinneejay | yea I just doctored my phone since my universal search wasn't working right. so I just go into terminal and type ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove *patches* |
| 21:33.17 | Skinneejay | thats it? |
| 21:34.03 | bpadalino | haha, frozen bubble is acdtually a hell of a lot of perl .. |
| 21:34.05 | bpadalino | interesting |
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| 21:37.11 | kesne | Anyone want to package a non-upstart quake for me? |
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| 21:38.14 | zsoc | zomg hi |
| 21:38.45 | Skinneejay | @egaudet do I need to type anything else after that runs? |
| 21:39.25 | Skinneejay | Should I do a restart or just close terminal? |
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| 21:41.04 | pete27 | I've got an OpenGL ES/SDL WWII touch-only tower defense that I initially wrote for the iPhone (replaced the SDL layer with native iphone Obj-C apis). Is there a doc on how to set up a compiling environment so I can build this and run it like Quake/Doom or is this more difficult than just linking/compiling against the correct libSDL/libGL and SDL.h and GL.h? |
| 21:41.08 | egaudet | just fire up preware and update feeds |
| 21:41.11 | egaudet | they should all be gone |
| 21:41.41 | bpadalino | pete27: basically that's it .. |
| 21:42.00 | bpadalino | #include "SDL.h" and "SDL_video.h" .. open the video mode |
| 21:42.15 | Skinneejay | Your a lifesaver my friend. It looks all good! |
| 21:42.16 | ird | are quake and doom hardware accelerated? |
| 21:42.20 | Skinneejay | Thank you a ton! |
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| 21:43.09 | bpadalino | ird, i am not sure .. a good amount of it is abstracted away through SDL ... |
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| 21:43.29 | ird | bpadalino: ah |
| 21:43.33 | bpadalino | the SDL libs use the graphics hardware .. |
| 21:43.34 | pete27 | ird: how could they run that fast without accel? |
| 21:43.35 | ird | I was under the impression that it was all gpu |
| 21:44.03 | bpadalino | but i don't think they are opengl(es) .. |
| 21:44.18 | pete27 | bpadalino: then what would they be? |
| 21:44.24 | pete27 | SDL just allows you to draw sprites |
| 21:44.45 | bpadalino | pete, well - doom was originally released on 486's .. right ? |
| 21:44.48 | pete27 | do quake and doom project 3d triangles manually with sprites? |
| 21:44.53 | bpadalino | and quake on pentiu 133's ? |
| 21:45.08 | pete27 | I don't remember, I guess it was that long ago |
| 21:45.30 | bpadalino | system requirements for doom |
| 21:45.31 | bpadalino | System requirements 80386 class CPU, 4 MB RAM |
| 21:45.48 | pete27 | damn 1996 |
| 21:45.55 | pete27 | for quake |
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| 21:45.59 | bpadalino | yeah .. |
| 21:46.09 | bpadalino | so the processor there is quite capable of playing this |
| 21:46.11 | pete27 | So they just do some nifty ath and draw sprites |
| 21:46.12 | pete27 | cool |
| 21:46.25 | bpadalino | q3 arena would be an interesting "port" |
| 21:46.31 | pete27 | Should I try and bother with opengl es yet? |
| 21:46.33 | bpadalino | i saw there is a nokia n900 port .. but i haven't found the source |
| 21:46.38 | bpadalino | pete27: yeah, opengles works .. |
| 21:46.43 | pete27 | cool |
| 21:46.52 | bpadalino | there is a demo program i modified to work with SDL and draws to the screen |
| 21:47.02 | bpadalino | you need the shader stuff tho .. |
| 21:47.03 | pete27 | i saw that |
| 21:47.13 | pete27 | shaders work? |
| 21:47.18 | pete27 | great |
| 21:47.24 | pete27 | Think theres a way to steal audio data so I can get projectM to work? |
| 21:47.35 | bpadalino | projectM ? |
| 21:47.49 | pete27 | http://projectm.sf.net |
| 21:48.06 | pete27 | Milkdrop reimplemented in OpenGL. Music Viz. I wrote it a few years ago |
| 21:48.46 | dangerskew123 | the Sauerbraten engine would be a good one to "port" |
| 21:48.50 | bpadalino | there is a testmixer.c app in the SDL download that uses audio .. |
| 21:48.57 | bpadalino | you can try futzing with that to get it to work the way you want it |
| 21:49.25 | pete27 | yeah, I'm going to run out and get food but I'll be back later. I may need to ask for some tips, thanks! |
| 21:49.32 | bpadalino | np |
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| 21:55.46 | KEYofR | that would be sweet. actually I miss good old dos cthugha. |
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| 21:58.00 | dangerskew123 | yeah, any kind of music visualizer would be sweet. I love showing off my zune with it's 3d visualizer |
| 21:58.26 | zsoc | did someone say tower defense? :D |
| 21:59.13 | KEYofR | gpu assisted seti@pre |
| 21:59.40 | dangerskew123 | oooh yeah. the pre could really use a good td game |
| 22:00.02 | bpadalino | seti@pre sounds like a battery killer :( |
| 22:00.12 | KEYofR | it's cold where I am rght now, I need a hand-warmer and I don't mind if work can't call me ;) |
| 22:00.13 | dangerskew123 | lol do people still do seti? I thought everyone moved on to folding@home |
| 22:02.45 | dangerskew123 | So is anyone trying to get the gameboy and NES emus to launch like doom and quake? |
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| 22:03.21 | KEYofR | I was wondering about the plausibility of a iphone emu |
| 22:04.07 | PuffTheMagic | KEYofR: you should be banned for suggesting such a thing |
| 22:04.07 | PuffTheMagic | in this channel |
| 22:04.14 | KEYofR | what a killer that would be, run iphone apps. so sowwy apple |
| 22:04.18 | zsoc | dangerskew: fceu isn't compatible for some reason. I was working on it. |
| 22:05.15 | dangerskew123 | strange |
| 22:05.18 | KEYofR | puff you don't want to deflate apples ego? undermine their juggernaut? |
| 22:05.25 | JMyaDaGod | that wold be funny iphone app emu |
| 22:05.52 | dangerskew123 | seriously, an iphone emulator? |
| 22:06.03 | KEYofR | I dont mean make the pre look and act like an iphone, thats a step backwards in some ways, I mean steal their customers! |
| 22:06.11 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: fceux complains about lack of hwsurface support, but every other sdl app I run with hwsurface works fine |
| 22:06.32 | JMyaDaGod | zsoc what other sdl u working on ATM? |
| 22:07.19 | zsoc | JMyaDaGod: ported over a bunch of little games. letting the owners decide when/how to relase them. I'm not doing anything fancy these days |
| 22:07.35 | zsoc | JMyaDaGod: that's dtzWill and bpadalino territory :) |
| 22:07.40 | dangerskew123 | I do wonder if porting iphone apps would be a simple possibility further down the road of native apps, as the hardware is so simmilar |
| 22:07.50 | cashen | zsoc: awesome |
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| 22:08.00 | zsoc | dangerskew: software is too different |
| 22:08.12 | JMyaDaGod | any game is cool so it doesnt matter can u pm me a list or is it hush hush? |
| 22:08.14 | zsoc | cashen: we have a catch phrase yet? |
| 22:08.47 | zsoc | JMyaDaGod: lol honestly a lot of it is stuff you could do in js lol |
| 22:08.54 | bpadalino | dangerskew123: the GLES portion should be simple .. the other stuff - buttons, etc .. that isn't as easy since there aren't those helpers |
| 22:09.40 | bpadalino | maybe that's what palm is working on .. the standard webos look/feel for the native apps .. |
| 22:10.42 | cashen | "Tux say's don't eat bad apples" |
| 22:10.44 | KEYofR | wish I could have webos on smasung moment |
| 22:11.00 | cashen | "Avoid the gates of hell. Use Linux" |
| 22:12.19 | zsoc | "webos, a bad word in spanish" lol |
| 22:12.33 | cashen | what is it in spanis? |
| 22:12.37 | JMyaDaGod | KeyofR you got a moment? |
| 22:13.28 | JMyaDaGod | o almost like welbos =balls |
| 22:13.53 | KEYofR | no. I was getting fed up with all the half-bakery and ridiculous _downgrades_ in functionality from my previous palmos centro & treo's , so I went looking around. I like the moments hardware |
| 22:14.12 | cashen | "on the 8th day, god create WebOS" |
| 22:14.17 | JMyaDaGod | i want to get one as a secong phone |
| 22:14.18 | KEYofR | but I was surprised to read all the reviews saying how the moment is actually _worse_ |
| 22:14.43 | KEYofR | that, all in all, webos is actually the best working system even compared to the various androids. |
| 22:14.53 | dangerskew123 | yeah I was surprised about the moment too. the hardware made it look like a winner but all the reviewers hate it |
| 22:15.01 | KEYofR | I thought android had tons more money behind it |
| 22:15.28 | cashen | i hate the moment, so bulky. I dislike the version of android and the keyboard is worse than the Pre's |
| 22:15.50 | dangerskew123 | yep, I got my pre right before the hero came out on sprint and I was having tons of second thoughts until I actually used the hero at the sprint store |
| 22:15.52 | JMyaDaGod | i think i might grab hero try for 30 days and grab moment try for 30 days see whats better |
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| 22:16.25 | JMyaDaGod | i love pre though nothing compares IMO |
| 22:16.33 | dangerskew123 | if you already have a webos phone and like it, you probably will hate android |
| 22:16.34 | KEYofR | but I do not not not like the pres hardware |
| 22:17.34 | JMyaDaGod | sprint fucked up and gave my my upgrade back so i am gonna grab something |
| 22:18.09 | KEYofR | Im guessing the hackability of webos will have it outpacing everyone else after a while, even though android has all the support and publicity |
| 22:18.36 | JMyaDaGod | BB not an option so looking for best andriod on sprint |
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| 22:18.57 | Jack87_ | KEYofR: you should wait and see what ces revieals |
| 22:19.00 | dangerskew123 | it seems like it. android phones are surprisingly locked down for being an open source OS |
| 22:19.15 | Jack87_ | i mean JMyaDaGod you should wait lol.. not KEYofR :) |
| 22:19.20 | JMyaDaGod | good point |
| 22:19.40 | bpadalino | i actually like how palm lets us putz around with webos without much of a care ... |
| 22:19.41 | Jack87_ | i like the prehardware other then the 8gig limit |
| 22:19.46 | cashen | I Think we should put Tux on his shirt, and have him holding a Pre and in text say "the Dude uses WebOS" , http://whatthecrap.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/dude.jpg |
| 22:19.53 | bpadalino | when i saw novaterm and root@castle# .. |
| 22:20.14 | dangerskew123 | who knows, mabye sprint will get the rumored pre plus as well as verizon |
| 22:20.16 | en0x | nice shirts |
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| 22:20.20 | en0x | are always welcome... |
| 22:20.23 | en0x | i would get it |
| 22:20.27 | bpadalino | just seems like a nicer, more tinkerer-friendly phone .. |
| 22:20.35 | en0x | webOS - MMS since day one ;) |
| 22:20.39 | Jack87_ | lol cashen thats funny |
| 22:21.16 | cashen | Or, make Tux dressed like the dude |
| 22:21.55 | KEYofR | just wish somoeone would write some damned apps. I want my audible player and pockettunes back! and really the zillion other 20 year history of palm apps for everything under the sun. |
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| 22:22.25 | rwhitby-pre | morning |
| 22:22.33 | cashen | Evening |
| 22:22.37 | zsoc | KEYofR: that's a pretty ignorant statement |
| 22:22.38 | JMyaDaGod | good evening |
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| 22:22.57 | KEYofR | even the remix is still basically garbage fro audiobooks. books just need a few extra things that you don't need for tunes |
| 22:23.02 | JMyaDaGod | i liked palm os but i dont require anything from it |
| 22:23.05 | dangerskew123 | I think once the SDK goes native we'll see a big explosion of apps and in general more devs who give a damn about webos |
| 22:23.13 | rwhitby-pre | anything interesting overnight? |
| 22:23.30 | JMyaDaGod | i made soup |
| 22:23.35 | JMyaDaGod | lol |
| 22:24.13 | KEYofR | zsoc: no its not ignorant at all, its quite informed. you perheps assume too much or project a little though. |
| 22:24.42 | en0x | i want NANPlayer! |
| 22:25.19 | KEYofR | for instance, I did not say that I thought complex robust well tested debugged and feature rich apps should fall from the magic sky in a day. I just said it sucks that we are startoing over. |
| 22:25.26 | rwhitby-pre | is back at work today, so responses will be delayed |
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| 22:26.31 | cashen | goes back to work tmorrow. :() |
| 22:26.42 | KEYofR | I had apps for everything on my palms. it kills me to look at my centro and look at all the things it did that I can't do in the pre, and probably wont for a while. |
| 22:26.51 | idw2k | Well, you're free to keep using your PalmOS phone and not "start over". |
| 22:27.10 | ird | Is Precorder only in the testing feeds still? |
| 22:27.15 | KEYofR | hardware crapped out. |
| 22:27.18 | JMyaDaGod | ill sell u a centro for $50 lol |
| 22:27.40 | zsoc | KEYofR: that's different. you said 'i wish someone would write some damn apps', as in everyone is sitting on their butt doing nothing. |
| 22:27.41 | KEYofR | and bluetooth does work better on the pre, finally, than even the last version centro |
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| 22:28.35 | Dan__ | rwhitby-pre, any news on when the upstart free version of quake and doom will be released? |
| 22:28.35 | en0x | JMyaDaGod, is is cdma or gsm? |
| 22:28.37 | zsoc | ird: precorder is on hold until the audio encoding works |
| 22:29.06 | KEYofR | no, you said that I don't I said I wish someone would write some apps. or really more & more useful. I don;t need any more twiddly games and magic 8 balls and fart noise makers. |
| 22:29.08 | cashen | How about this picture with a text bubble, "I said WebOS! Eff it dude, lets go hack our Pres" http://tikimexican.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/big_lebowski_walter_gun.jpg |
| 22:29.12 | ird | zsoc: what's broken? |
| 22:29.18 | KEYofR | handbase or jfile would be useful |
| 22:29.31 | Jack87_ | i cant remember the stuff i "miss" from my palm os |
| 22:29.34 | rwhitby-pre | Dan: no drive to do so as far as I know |
| 22:29.59 | Dan__ | rwhitby-pre, any reason why? |
| 22:30.04 | hape | I contracted handbase. They could be willing if native apps are offical supported |
| 22:30.11 | hape | bunt not before |
| 22:30.13 | JMyaDaGod | enox:its a brand spankin "new" refurb red cdma sprint centro |
| 22:30.26 | cashen | .me has to go make dinner |
| 22:30.35 | cashen | has to make dinner |
| 22:30.37 | JMyaDaGod | ./me |
| 22:30.38 | JMyaDaGod | lol |
| 22:30.44 | dangerskew123 | I can't believe sprint is still selling the centro |
| 22:30.46 | rwhitby-pre | Dan: what's the reason to change? |
| 22:30.59 | JMyaDaGod | i think they stopped selling most of them only certain colors |
| 22:31.20 | idontwan2know | Pretty sure AT&T still sells the Centro, too. |
| 22:31.29 | JMyaDaGod | i liked the centro |
| 22:31.35 | idontwan2know | at least they did a few weeks ago |
| 22:31.47 | dangerskew123 | my brother got a black one right before the pixi came out |
| 22:31.49 | rwhitby-pre | upstart launches faster, and allows for a webOS one-time splash screen with key bindings etc. |
| 22:32.09 | destinal-returne | ah, fun stuff |
| 22:32.09 | JMyaDaGod | thats what my girl uses now she was waiting on pink pixi anyword if it is still BS? |
| 22:32.13 | KEYofR | vnc client, better irc client (I had to use bitchx yesterday because the vaunted wirc couldn;t log in to undernet because it didnt allow me to respond to the servers pre-full-connect prompts (/quote pass 12345) |
| 22:32.22 | KEYofR | choice of email clients |
| 22:32.26 | Dan__ | rwhitby-pre, good to know |
| 22:32.47 | Abyssul | Take cover ROD!@ |
| 22:32.51 | Abyssul | Kense is coming! |
| 22:32.53 | Dan__ | rwhitby-pre, thanks |
| 22:32.59 | Jack87_ | rwhitby-pre: why a onetime splash screen? what if needed to reffer back>? |
| 22:33.23 | destinal | KEYofR: well, that's a simple enhancement to wirc to fix |
| 22:33.44 | destinal | idontwan2know: My brother just got a hand me down centro |
| 22:33.48 | KEYofR | media players that can actually play my ogg and flacs (which happens to be 99% of my tunes) pocketunes was ideal, the bookmarking and playlisting all well adjusted after lots of feedback overthe years |
| 22:33.49 | destinal | I'll have to help him hack it |
| 22:34.04 | destinal | rather, load apps, since I think that's all you need :) |
| 22:34.25 | KEYofR | and as mentions, an audio player that has the extra features to make books convenient |
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| 22:34.44 | JMyaDaGod | it seems ideal for u to stay with PalmOS |
| 22:34.48 | rwhitby-pre | Jack87: whichever |
| 22:35.25 | destinal | KEYofR: I've listened to lots of audiobooks on remix, bookmarks and the seek bar make it posible, now a skip 20 seconds button might be a nice add, but what other features do you need? |
| 22:35.27 | dangerskew123 | flac is kinda terrible for a portable device that only has 8gb if storage |
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| 22:36.19 | KEYofR | hey I'm not denying the advantages. I like a bigger screen, flash, unix. it's just a feature deficit right now. |
| 22:36.28 | Jack87_ | rwhitby-pre: whichever what? |
| 22:36.39 | en0x | KEYofR, go get nokia n900 |
| 22:37.15 | kesne | rwhitby-pre: Hey |
| 22:37.19 | Jack87_ | KEYofR: honestly if you dont like the pre return it? |
| 22:37.20 | kesne | Jack87: I know |
| 22:37.39 | Jack87_ | kesne: :) |
| 22:37.46 | kesne | I am here |
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| 22:37.56 | kesne | but rod decided not to answer my messages |
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| 22:38.07 | KEYofR | dest: it's very very difficult to manually go back to your place using the slider. to inaccurate. relying on the resume only works about half the time because it's very easy to accidentaly swipe right off the current file onto the next or previous, thus losing the saved position |
| 22:38.18 | JMyaDaGod | whats a wimax phone windows mobile???? |
| 22:38.40 | dangerskew123 | or just buy a dedicated PMP to satisfy your media needs. audiobooks and flac would kill the battery on the pre |
| 22:39.26 | Jack87_ | wimax = 4g |
| 22:39.27 | KEYofR | with an 8 hour single file, I end up listening to the same 15/20 minutes 3 or 4 times sometimes, because I mostly only listen in the car, and thats about how long several car trips are |
| 22:39.27 | JMyaDaGod | ooic sprint and microsft may announce wimax phone ces hmmm maybe ill try windows mobile out with my free upgrade |
| 22:39.51 | dangerskew123 | do NOT go windows mobile. it's a complete nightmare, imo |
| 22:40.02 | KEYofR | so yeah the step ahead by fixed incriments, a few different size incriments would be real real helpful |
| 22:40.13 | Jack87_ | JMyaDaGod: sprint is the only one doing 4g right now (but not for phones i dont think) |
| 22:40.47 | JMyaDaGod | http://news.softpedia.com/news/WM-Based-WiMAX-Phone-Expected-at-CES-2010-130521.shtml |
| 22:40.48 | zsoc | Eguy: you here? this guy is out-trolling you |
| 22:40.50 | KEYofR | and really the save-position in tags that the audible player does really. |
| 22:41.14 | destinal | KEYofR: actually, keyboard would be great for different size skips too |
| 22:41.15 | KEYofR | as in, it store your position in that file, IN the file in the equivalent of id3 tags. |
| 22:41.20 | Eguy | zsoc: nobody can do that |
| 22:41.22 | destinal | as well as maybe a selector bar and button |
| 22:42.13 | kesne | Jack87: I wish Rod would actually pretend like i exist |
| 22:42.20 | Jack87 | Eguy: i think zsoc is right look back like 5-10min |
| 22:42.36 | Jack87 | kesne: its because you are 15 ;-) |
| 22:42.37 | zsoc | kesne: he's working. |
| 22:42.44 | kesne | Oh |
| 22:42.48 | PreGame | lol |
| 22:42.48 | kesne | Thanks zsoc |
| 22:42.51 | kesne | No I feel bad |
| 22:42.52 | destinal | I'm going to build a distcc cluster, starting with my main PC and a linux laptop and the pre. I think I have an extra workstation I can add as well |
| 22:42.56 | kesne | Jack87: how old are you? |
| 22:42.59 | Jack87 | kesne: I bet he is rading back log on his pre right now trying to catch up |
| 22:43.08 | zsoc | kesne: his birthdate is in his name :p |
| 22:43.17 | zsoc | kesne: what was your question? I can help |
| 22:43.23 | Jack87 | kesne: i dont exist to him either... zsoc bingo hehehe :) |
| 22:43.32 | PreGame | zsoc: actually thats his birth year not day :P |
| 22:43.43 | Jack87 | zsoc: is gaming porting webos hacker remember |
| 22:43.45 | zsoc | PreGame: thank you :p |
| 22:43.53 | kesne | I was going to ask him for the non-upstart version of Quake |
| 22:44.08 | PreGame | kesne: just remove the upstart script |
| 22:44.09 | zsoc | kesne: why? upstart is faster |
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| 22:44.41 | zsoc | destinal: doing some candian crosscompiling? |
| 22:45.03 | kesne | zsoc: to submit to palm xD |
| 22:45.17 | kesne | PreGame: wish it was as simple as that |
| 22:45.21 | kesne | I know it's simple |
| 22:45.25 | kesne | Like three lines of codee |
| 22:45.29 | kesne | but not super simple |
| 22:45.34 | zsoc | kesne: just because it doesn't use upstart, clearly they are undocumented apis |
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| 22:45.51 | kesne | zsoc: so? You think the people that review the apps know that? |
| 22:45.53 | zsoc | kesne: palm will not accept anything using nappmgr |
| 22:46.04 | zsoc | kesne: yes, I know they know that. |
| 22:46.13 | Eguy | zsoc: who was doing it? |
| 22:46.13 | zsoc | kesne: palm isn't run by teenagers. |
| 22:46.16 | kesne | zsoc: well then, just to see what the hell they say |
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| 22:46.32 | zsoc | Eguy: keyofr :) |
| 22:46.38 | Jack87 | zsoc: you had to give him an age blow didnt you haha |
| 22:46.39 | Eguy | that's what I though |
| 22:46.42 | Eguy | t |
| 22:47.03 | zsoc | Jack87: had nothing to do with him? |
| 22:47.17 | kesne | How come everyone bashes me for age? |
| 22:47.17 | d0lph1nk1ng | wIrc on pre rocks! |
| 22:47.26 | Jack87 | zsoc: haha he is a teenager. it looked that way |
| 22:47.33 | Jack87 | more like a joke though |
| 22:47.40 | KEYofR | doing what? trolling? admitting problems is trolling? your'e what? just in love with webos as it is right now? |
| 22:47.56 | Daaknes | yeah_wIrc is pretty cool |
| 22:48.10 | *** part/#webos-internals zsoc (n=zsoc@unaffiliated/zsoc) |
| 22:48.19 | idontwan2know | "admitting" implies that you're reluctant about it |
| 22:48.29 | KEYofR | besides the complaints were a tangent. What I was really talking about originally was why I was looking at the Moment. |
| 22:48.31 | idontwan2know | what you were doing was "complaining" |
| 22:48.48 | dangerskew123 | yeah I'm using wirc too. listening to a live podcast and chatting in irc at the same time all on my phone is awesome |
| 22:48.57 | idontwan2know | Pretty sure PalmOS has a dictionary app that will help you with that. |
| 22:48.58 | KEYofR | these are the perfectly real and undeniable reasons why |
| 22:48.59 | kesne | brb |
| 22:49.09 | kesne | Ask jack87 for my email ;) |
| 22:49.19 | kesne | When you guys finally decide that I am right |
| 22:49.24 | zsoc | lol |
| 22:49.27 | kesne | And email me the upstart-free files |
| 22:49.29 | kesne | :P |
| 22:49.36 | kesne | is eating |
| 22:49.44 | zsoc | kesne: we'd submit preware first :P |
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| 22:49.51 | KEYofR | I didnt actually come in to gripe about webos, I merely did not attempt to gloss over the problems |
| 22:50.00 | hape | KEYofR: By the way if you miss a PalmOS app, wy not use clssic. That is what I do |
| 22:50.01 | AnOutsider | @KEYofR this probably isn't the best place to air out gripes re: palm and/or webos (no matter how innocent your intentions may be) |
| 22:50.03 | Jack87 | brb |
| 22:50.22 | AnOutsider | learned that already ;) |
| 22:50.30 | idontwan2know | Nobody is glossing over anything. |
| 22:51.02 | KEYofR | god classic, theres a piece of crap. I have it. paid for it, keep it updated to latest. it crashes. goodnight classic. |
| 22:51.05 | dangerskew123 | yeah, we probably shouldn't have even been talking about android/the moment in the first place. it's not androidinternals lol |
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| 22:51.46 | Eguy | DId you really think a brand new OS would be fantastic the first year? |
| 22:51.51 | Eguy | That never happs |
| 22:52.00 | KEYofR | It's probably a lot of work, but its apparently only 3/4 of the work that is needed before it works well and is actually useful for the job of "run anything you used to be able to" |
| 22:52.08 | Eguy | happens* |
| 22:52.16 | KEYofR | of course not |
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| 22:52.48 | zsoc | I like webos in it's current state. I really only miss advanced bluetooth functions. |
| 22:53.00 | KEYofR | everyone conveniently forgets what I SAID was I wished I couyld have webos on the Monets hardware. |
| 22:53.02 | zsoc | and GPU css transitions would fix luna lag |
| 22:53.09 | dangerskew123 | well windows 7 has been fantastic and it's only been out a few months. I guess you couldn't really call it a "brand new" os, though. |
| 22:53.09 | idontwan2know | So then you assumed that the people in this channel were unaware of the shortcomings you mentioned and needed you to make them aware so they could get to work on them? |
| 22:53.12 | KEYofR | Its just mre fun to call someone a troll |
| 22:53.23 | KEYofR | Moments |
| 22:53.24 | zsoc | I'm just confused why you're in here spouting your opinions. I'm not terribly interested personally. |
| 22:53.32 | JMyaDaGod | LOL |
| 22:53.40 | KEYofR | every one was a resons to a question |
| 22:54.05 | KEYofR | I did not actually say this stuff out of the blue you guys are so funny |
| 22:54.11 | Eguy | LOL |
| 22:54.27 | KEYofR | except the initial "wish I could get webos n a moment" |
| 22:54.44 | zsoc | I was only upset by the "I wish someone would actually make a useful app". |
| 22:54.51 | zsoc | Eguy: so, you using a centro right now? |
| 22:55.01 | KEYofR | ah that, yes that was volunteered |
| 22:55.14 | KEYofR | and perfectly valid. we have shit for apps |
| 22:55.47 | AnOutsider | I'd disagree there |
| 22:55.55 | zsoc | Except all the apps I use on a regular basis that I love. |
| 22:56.01 | AnOutsider | compared to say the iphone, sure we have a lot less apps, but many of them are actually USEFUL |
| 22:56.34 | zsoc | Personally I like webos because i'm a total geek and can do ridiculous things with this phone. But no one cares what I think so I wasn't saying it. |
| 22:56.37 | Eguy | zsoc: I went back to my Pre with 1.3.5 since I can actually use my Pre without almost running over it with me car ;) |
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| 22:56.41 | AnOutsider | there's only 2 apps I miss fro the iphone, one is a wifi remote for my kaleidescape and the other is geo defense (game) |
| 22:56.42 | KEYofR | compared to palmos! heck with iphone. |
| 22:56.53 | zsoc | Eguy: I'm glad :) |
| 22:57.07 | zsoc | AnOutsider: You have a wifi-controlled kaleidescope? |
| 22:57.07 | Eguy | Watching precorder closely ;) |
| 22:57.09 | idontwan2know | zsoc: I care what you think! |
| 22:57.10 | dangerskew123 | agreed, I've got all the apps I need on pre other than awesome games |
| 22:57.15 | idontwan2know | Daily affirmation FTW. |
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| 22:57.32 | KEYofR | people have been writing counteless oddball special purpose apps for palm for ages. it'll take for ever to get all that back on a new platform. |
| 22:57.48 | edektor | is there somewhere I can find the source to the OpenGL demo? |
| 22:58.04 | zsoc | Eguy: Precorder isn't viable right now. The C service is written, and it's super sexy thanks to Puff. Like works 100% of the time. But the audio is just unusable. We need a DSP driven aac audio encoder that isn't broken. |
| 22:58.05 | AnOutsider | @zsoc: kaleidescape, it's a media server |
| 22:58.12 | zsoc | AnOutsider: OH, makes more sense ;) |
| 22:58.26 | KEYofR | well except, the development tools are more powerfull now so it's probably easier to make a random new app than it was for palm |
| 22:58.29 | d0lph1nk1ng | ya if we know open gl can we write webos apps now? |
| 22:58.38 | zsoc | d0lph1nk1ng: yes |
| 22:58.39 | Eguy | Someone needs to change the channel topic: bitching and moaning to #webos-watercooler |
| 22:58.53 | KEYofR | so it probably wont take 20 years to get back on par with the last 20 years of palm stuff |
| 22:58.57 | zsoc | d0lph1nk1ng: the only thing you need to learn is the SDL hooks, which are like, 5 pages worth of reading. super simple. |
| 22:59.05 | KEYofR | or, 15? more than 10 |
| 22:59.06 | destinal | d0lph1nk1ng: well you can write linux apps that run under webos, they may not use all of its functions (like doom and quake don't) -- more standalone single card type deals |
| 22:59.06 | AnOutsider | haha |
| 22:59.52 | d0lph1nk1ng | zsoc, destinal : thanks and great work |
| 22:59.55 | KEYofR | (years of palm apps, I was referring to, not pages of sdl docs, sorry) |
| 23:00.03 | dangerskew123 | god, everywhere I go if there's webos/pre/palm, there's bitching. I feel like I'm reading app catalog reviews here |
| 23:00.09 | Eguy | My god, it is beautiful out today |
| 23:00.30 | lt83850 | eguy, east coast here....horrible weather |
| 23:00.30 | Eguy | You guys should go outside once in a while :P |
| 23:00.30 | lt83850 | :S |
| 23:00.39 | idontwan2know | Eguy: Lies. We don't have all the apps PalmOS had. Life is terrible. |
| 23:00.43 | Eguy | Unless you live where it is snowing |
| 23:00.50 | Eguy | LOL |
| 23:00.52 | dangerskew123 | yeah, it's really cold right now |
| 23:01.02 | zsoc | Eguy: it is 2 degrees right now. frost bite < 10 minutes |
| 23:01.08 | Eguy | Must.Have.Agendus |
| 23:01.16 | Eguy | 75 degrees and sunny :P |
| 23:01.23 | Eguy | Oops...shouldn't have said that |
| 23:01.30 | KEYofR | its midle of the night here and freezing, and I am gettong out quite a lot these days thanks. as if that has anything to do with anything... |
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| 23:02.02 | lt83850 | would be sweet to have a youtube downloader converter for audio (patch) and media center remote, and IM via msn or live |
| 23:02.09 | lt83850 | moving from winmo, all i really miss |
| 23:02.18 | Eguy | you ask too much lt83850 |
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| 23:02.31 | lt83850 | and can live without |
| 23:02.41 | lt83850 | its not asking, just stating what i miss...and can live without |
| 23:02.58 | zsoc | lt83850: you mean ripping audio from a youtube video? |
| 23:03.04 | idontwan2know | Personally, I need more fart apps. |
| 23:03.06 | lt83850 | yeah zsoc |
| 23:03.24 | lt83850 | would be sweet under multitaskig |
| 23:03.28 | zsoc | lt83850: very possible right now, just not as an official app |
| 23:03.42 | KEYofR | a carpeneters level on a device without one straight surface on it. brilliant ;) |
| 23:04.02 | zsoc | lt83850: use the regular script for youtube download, then run it through a gstreamer pipeline with playbin, demux, push the video to a fakesink and the audio to .aac file |
| 23:04.12 | zsoc | dtzWill: you |
| 23:04.27 | Jack87 | zsoc: thats the one and only |
| 23:04.27 | Eguy | Can never have enough fart apps |
| 23:04.28 | zsoc | dtzWill: the touchscreen mapping, is that quake specific? Or can we use that for any sdl app? |
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| 23:04.58 | cal_ | HM.. reinstalled the theme i like after update to 1.3.5 .. 'my light blue theme'.. background is there but icons didn't change :( |
| 23:05.18 | KEYofR | not knocking things like that ofr what they are, trivial, inconsequential, starting points. people must dabble at that level first. thats fine. so, I'm not attacking every developer that made an app like that. what I'm saying is , duh, these are not useful. |
| 23:05.59 | lt83850 | thx zsoc |
| 23:06.11 | edektor | is there somewhere I can find the source to the OpenGL demo that bpadalino did? |
| 23:06.20 | bpadalino | yeah sure .. |
| 23:06.29 | destinal | edektor: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OpenGL_Triangle_of_Doom |
| 23:06.37 | edektor | ahh.. thank you |
| 23:06.51 | dtzWill | zsoc: i wrote the code into the way the events are handled but as far as i know it's generic |
| 23:06.52 | pete27 | bpadalino: So, can you help me get a compiling environment u pfor use with the new SDL/openGL libs? |
| 23:06.54 | rwhitby | edektor: look in the channel log from yesterday |
| 23:07.02 | rwhitby | or there :-) |
| 23:07.07 | zsoc | dtzWill: that will be very very very very useful. it's really sexy. really. |
| 23:07.08 | dtzWill | zsoc: i can help if you wanna do that with doom, etc |
| 23:07.14 | dtzWill | zsoc: ty :D |
| 23:07.21 | bpadalino | haha, destinal has a good link |
| 23:07.26 | rwhitby | kesne: as with all webos-internals products, all code is in public repositories. |
| 23:07.29 | zsoc | dtzWill: doom has its own issues, doesn't like mouse controls. I think i'm going to let someone else fix it lol |
| 23:07.37 | bpadalino | i should note it was a modified test from the maemo guys .. |
| 23:07.43 | bpadalino | i just modified it and took out the X11 stuff |
| 23:07.45 | bpadalino | and put in SDL stuff |
| 23:07.48 | dtzWill | kesne: you wanted something right? and yeah the source is publicly available, i pushed it all |
| 23:07.51 | edektor | so in the appinfo.json just set type as game and set main to the executable? |
| 23:07.57 | kesne | rwhitby: I know, I just couldnt get it to launch, I don't know how to do the "game" stuff |
| 23:07.58 | dtzWill | kesne: gpl or the id software license or whatever :) |
| 23:08.08 | kesne | dtzWill: aight |
| 23:08.14 | dtzWill | StavrosLazos: ping, yt? |
| 23:08.15 | bpadalino | pete27: um sure .. destinal's setup is more ideal i think .. with the debian chroot .. |
| 23:08.19 | bpadalino | or you can do cross compiling .. |
| 23:08.26 | bpadalino | and grab the libs from the pre or a webos doctor image |
| 23:08.26 | rwhitby | Jack87: "whichever" meant if you have a webOS wrapper, then you can choose to put whatever splash screen you like. without upstart, you're forced directly into the binary (which you may not know how to add menus and stuff to yet) |
| 23:08.56 | dtzWill | rwhitby: making things like emulator wrappers much easier :) |
| 23:09.10 | kesne | rwhitby: how would I make Quake Upstart free? |
| 23:09.25 | pete27 | bpadalino: are you saying destinal's solution is to compile on the device? |
| 23:09.28 | destinal | bpadalino: noted the origin on the wiki, if you want to put a link up there at some point that's cool |
| 23:09.30 | rwhitby | KEYofR: I think comments about webOS capabilities in general are best voiced in #webos, where there are Palm staff and webOS developers who can actually do something about what you're talking about. This channel is for technical discussion about the internals under webOS. |
| 23:09.31 | cal_ | does doom run under luna or its own manager? |
| 23:10.01 | bpadalino | pete27: it's the easiest one right now .. but you can setup the cross compilation toolchain using OE .. there are instructions somewhere |
| 23:10.02 | Jack87 | rwhitby: i see :) |
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| 23:10.20 | rwhitby | In this channel, participants are expected to work out how to solve the problems with webOS, not just discuss what problems there are. |
| 23:10.45 | bpadalino | heh, i like how you got my nick wrong destinal .. :) i'd actually prefer if no one mentioned me specifically if i do anything .. just anonymous is fine .. it's in the logs |
| 23:11.12 | KEYofR | yeah yeah I know. I actually have a patch up in preware. a microscopic one but whatever. the unhardcode TERM one |
| 23:11.12 | rwhitby | kesne: reproducible instructions for the game type are in the public log of this channel |
| 23:11.15 | pete27 | bpadalino: I like compiling on-device. I don't see any links on the wik ithough, unless I'n looking in the wrong spot |
| 23:11.25 | destinal | bpadalino: hehe, I typed it too fast |
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| 23:11.35 | kesne | rwhitby: Okay, fine, I'll do it myself :P |
| 23:11.40 | zsoc | rwhitby: we need zenity now |
| 23:11.41 | bpadalino | pete27: setup a debian chroot .. and that should do it .. |
| 23:12.02 | bpadalino | pete27: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian .. something like that |
| 23:12.27 | pete27 | Ok |
| 23:12.38 | zsoc | bpadalino, the secret webos hacker extraordinaire |
| 23:12.54 | bpadalino | zsoc: shhh .. it's our little secret |
| 23:13.12 | rwhitby | kesne: of course, you may want to do it on a different game, so it doesn't look like you're just piggy backing on the work of others to get an easy app in the catalog ... perhaps MAME would be a good choice. |
| 23:13.17 | bpadalino | destinal: example is loosely based on this: http://wiki.maemo.org/SimpleGL_Example |
| 23:13.18 | pete27 | bpadalino: cool, I didn't expect that to allow me to run opengl apps in a card |
| 23:13.39 | zsoc | rwhitby: lol you don't really think palm's going to take that into the catalog? |
| 23:13.39 | bpadalino | pete27: it allows you to compile using gcc -lSDL -lGLESv2 i think .. |
| 23:13.46 | bpadalino | and i think that is all you need ? |
| 23:14.02 | pete27 | right, but then I can launch that app from luna via the upstart manager and run it in a card? |
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| 23:14.12 | bpadalino | pete27: you can run it from the commandline |
| 23:14.15 | rwhitby | zsoc: the gotta get to 2000 somehow ... |
| 23:14.16 | bpadalino | and a new card will pop up |
| 23:14.18 | destinal | bpadalino: my fingers want to transpose "D" and "L" in your last name -- isn't "paladino" in italian the origin of the name applied to Charlamagne's knights and tons and tons of Role Playing Tropes? |
| 23:14.34 | pete27 | ah, see that's not nearly as cool. Why write an app that nobody can use? |
| 23:14.41 | zsoc | rwhitby: that would be pretty bad. i mean it's a hack at best, even USING 'their' methods right now |
| 23:14.48 | kesne | rwhitby: aye |
| 23:14.54 | bpadalino | destinal: no idea the origin of the name .. but everyone makes the mistake .. padalino is much more rare of a name .. |
| 23:15.04 | kesne | rwhitby: I've got some slaves working on it |
| 23:15.08 | bpadalino | pete27: well - upstart can run it too .. |
| 23:15.10 | rwhitby | bpadalino: good for ego searching ... |
| 23:15.13 | zsoc | pete27: the app is for testing purposes :P |
| 23:15.27 | rwhitby | bpadalino: just like 'preware' is ;-) |
| 23:15.33 | bpadalino | heh |
| 23:15.37 | pete27 | haha |
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| 23:17.03 | rwhitby | kesne: do we know the specifics of the "free for open source" clause for the app catalog? What precise definition of "open source" are they using? |
| 23:17.09 | zsoc | Would hexen be a step back? Lol. it's just so fun to port these ridiculous things. |
| 23:17.30 | kesne | rwhitby: no idea |
| 23:17.33 | kesne | Ive actually asked |
| 23:17.47 | kesne | But the $50 per app isnt in effect just yet |
| 23:17.49 | kesne | so no worries |
| 23:18.12 | zsoc | Oh kesne, such an opportunity finder. |
| 23:18.28 | PreGame | i shall never submit to the app catalog |
| 23:18.32 | destinal | rwhitby: and can you can sell open source and get in free? |
| 23:18.34 | zsoc | kesne: you're lucky destinal searches through new releases tooth and nail or you wouldn't even be having this conversation ;) |
| 23:18.36 | PreGame | i refuse to pay $99 to be a developer |
| 23:18.58 | rwhitby | destinal: dunno, that's why I want to get the precise details, but I assume they're not defined yet. |
| 23:19.06 | kesne | PreGame: I'm the same |
| 23:19.17 | kesne | Lucky for me they'll wave some of my fees |
| 23:19.28 | kesne | zsoc: care to elaborate? |
| 23:19.31 | destinal | zsoc: rwhitby started the digging which got me curious enoughto join in |
| 23:19.31 | PreGame | kesne: you already paid to submit your apps |
| 23:19.49 | Abyssul | hmmm we need to get a PS3 controller or Wiimote connected to the Pre |
| 23:19.49 | destinal | though i have pored through the closed palm binaries quite a bit |
| 23:19.49 | kesne | PreGame: No I didn't? |
| 23:19.53 | PreGame | yea you did |
| 23:19.58 | PreGame | you paid to join the developer network |
| 23:20.03 | kesne | $5? |
| 23:20.16 | PreGame | did you join in early before they set the $99? |
| 23:20.33 | kesne | They waived fees for people in the early early program |
| 23:20.49 | kesne | That happened to be me |
| 23:21.04 | kesne | And they're also waiving some app's fee's or at least someone else is paying them |
| 23:21.09 | Jack87 | waived only for a year? yo have to pay next year dont you? |
| 23:21.12 | PreGame | i don't even look through the app catalog |
| 23:21.14 | Abyssul | bows to kesne. |
| 23:21.19 | PreGame | so much spam of crappy incremental apps |
| 23:21.22 | zsoc | kesne: this whole 'native app' thing, we probably wouldn't have even found it yet if destinal wasn't so thorough with looking through the 1.3.5 image |
| 23:21.32 | kesne | Oh, so true |
| 23:21.41 | kesne | but we are lucky |
| 23:21.41 | PreGame | if i see an app i like posted on precentral then i will get it but i don't just "browse" |
| 23:21.42 | bpadalino | destinal is the man |
| 23:21.54 | PreGame | what this native app thing? |
| 23:22.02 | Jack87 | i paid for one app what a waste of money it happene dto e.. |
| 23:22.12 | Abyssul | I bought Paratrooper |
| 23:22.14 | zsoc | PreGame: the reason doom/quake works |
| 23:22.28 | PreGame | which is? |
| 23:22.35 | zsoc | PreGame: basically any native linux application will now run in a card on the Pre with just some sdl hooks |
| 23:22.38 | Jack87 | cubix.. rubix cube app. i know there is a linux version of cubix i wonder if that can be ported over into an opengl enviorment. the one in catalog is not 3d |
| 23:22.41 | egaudet | There's two parts to it |
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| 23:22.57 | Bad_Programmer | Kesne? |
| 23:23.01 | Jack87 | if somone can port linux cubix and use touch screen for changing that be awesome |
| 23:23.01 | egaudet | first they have integrated SDL so that we can run native SDL apps in a card. |
| 23:23.11 | kesne | Jack87: waived for a year for what I hear, but because they love me (well, more like someone loves me) the fee's fees are paid for |
| 23:23.22 | kesne | Bad_Programmer: Hola |
| 23:23.32 | Bad_Programmer | Hallo |
| 23:23.37 | Bad_Programmer | kesne: |
| 23:23.45 | kesne | yes? |
| 23:23.51 | Bad_Programmer | So I'm trying to understand |
| 23:23.55 | Bad_Programmer | This C++ thing |
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| 23:24.13 | egaudet | Secondly they have added the ability to launch a binary via appinfo.json |
| 23:24.15 | bpadalino | it's a very old programming language .. |
| 23:24.18 | Bad_Programmer | What I think is they exploit the underlying Linux code |
| 23:24.29 | Bad_Programmer | So they can use C++ |
| 23:24.31 | grndslm | i was wondering how you could hook a controller up to the pre... but it's got bluetooth |
| 23:24.44 | grndslm | that should make for a few options right there |
| 23:24.45 | zsoc | egaudet: and that 'first' thing is actually 3 things ;) Palm has been working on this since the beginning, if I had to guess. |
| 23:24.51 | bpadalino | grndslm: it also has mini usb on the side |
| 23:24.59 | kesne | Bad_Programmer: Don't ask me, I just found out about this today. Good person to ask is Destinal and rwhitby |
| 23:25.00 | egaudet | yea well definitely for a while |
| 23:25.02 | grndslm | yea, but i'd rather not touch that usb flap |
| 23:25.03 | kesne | is leaving |
| 23:25.06 | kesne | bye buye now |
| 23:25.07 | egaudet | NFS has surely been using |
| 23:25.15 | Abyssul | bpadalino: You mean micro USB right? |
| 23:25.17 | dangerskew123 | that's not a usb host port though |
| 23:25.28 | zsoc | Bad_Programmer: what C++ thing? |
| 23:25.37 | Bad_Programmer | Oh |
| 23:25.39 | bpadalino | ah, yes, micro |
| 23:25.44 | Jack87 | oh sad world iphone has it but not pre... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2L3h1S51iQ |
| 23:25.51 | Bad_Programmer | Some people have been able to use C++ on the pre |
| 23:25.59 | destinal | grndslm: the flap is really resiliant |
| 23:26.10 | zsoc | Bad_Programmer: c++ libs are there. why couldn't you? |
| 23:26.16 | grndslm | yea, but a bluetooth controller would still be awesome |
| 23:26.51 | destinal | grndslm: I'm working on porting btstack to fix that. it compiles and runs but, well, doesn't talk to the bluetooth controller yet |
| 23:27.00 | zsoc | palm actually uses c++ wrappers in some of their headers |
| 23:27.15 | grndslm | nice... sounds like you're the homebrew hero of the decade, destinal! |
| 23:27.16 | Bad_Programmer | Cool |
| 23:27.18 | bpadalino | that cubix game looks like it could be done pretty easily using straight javascript .. right ? |
| 23:27.35 | bpadalino | it's an early decade!! give it time |
| 23:27.35 | Abyssul | destinal: Awesome |
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| 23:27.52 | destinal | grndslm: I like to play with lots of pieces but I'm not really an expert with any of them |
| 23:27.57 | Jack87 | bpadalino: you think so? |
| 23:28.20 | bpadalino | Jack87: sure - have you seen processing.js ? |
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| 23:28.57 | Bad_Programmer | So how do you get a C++ program to work a the Pre? |
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| 23:29.05 | rbredow | Congrats on the OpenGL work. You guys are amazing. |
| 23:29.10 | Jack87 | bpadalino: negative. but im not a programmer :( |
| 23:29.13 | bpadalino | ah |
| 23:29.21 | bpadalino | http://processingjs.org/source/basic-example/processingjs_basic-example.html - neat stuff |
| 23:29.47 | rwhitby | Bad_Programmer: cross-compile it using cs07q3armel. |
| 23:29.56 | zsoc | rbredow: we know |
| 23:29.59 | Bad_Programmer | Thank you |
| 23:30.29 | zsoc | rbredow: and by "we know" i mean "palm did all the work, we just reverse engineer apis ;)" |
| 23:30.35 | cal_ | stares at preware spinning cricle screen for 5 minutes .. lol |
| 23:30.37 | rwhitby | rbredow: we just did some detective work - Palm actually implemented the libraries ... |
| 23:30.48 | bpadalino | yeah .. we just linked it up |
| 23:30.51 | rbredow | You've set expectations high. I half-expected to find a "fix calendar bug" in Preware today. :) |
| 23:30.54 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 23:31.01 | bpadalino | i hope they're not mad if they announce this stuff and we stole all their thunder :( |
| 23:31.06 | rbredow | yes, but reverse engineering that stuff this quickly, and making it work is pretty awesome. |
| 23:31.10 | zsoc | I've never actually used my calender. |
| 23:31.14 | rwhitby | lots of meetings on first day back at work ... |
| 23:31.18 | zsoc | bpadalino: nah they want this i think |
| 23:31.25 | bpadalino | death by 1000 meetings |
| 23:31.27 | rbredow | I'm going to be at the event Thursday. It'll be interesting to see what the vibe is. |
| 23:31.31 | zsoc | rwhitby: go make some little chips or whatever it is you do ;) |
| 23:31.38 | Jack87 | bpadalino: that is really neat |
| 23:31.47 | zsoc | Who is going to tweet from CES? |
| 23:31.55 | bpadalino | does rwhitby still do ASIC stuff ? |
| 23:31.57 | idontwan2know | Realistically, a great deal of the CES audience won't even know this stuff has happened. |
| 23:32.00 | rwhitby | we are simply whistling to the tune that Palm's enlightened marketing and engineering managers have laid out for us to find. |
| 23:32.06 | dangerskew123 | ces expectations are pretty high |
| 23:32.11 | rwhitby | idontwan2know: exactly |
| 23:32.30 | Jack87 | rwhitby: you really think its marketing? |
| 23:32.38 | rwhitby | rbredow: make sure you're on wIRC while you'e there. |
| 23:32.42 | zsoc | wonders if we should set FlashEnable= to "true" |
| 23:32.51 | idontwan2know | LOL |
| 23:33.00 | dangerskew123 | zsoc: do it |
| 23:33.01 | rbredow | goes to install wIRC. |
| 23:33.19 | rwhitby | exits |
| 23:33.19 | destinal | rwhitby: and yeah, we are adopting palm API's, even though they're undocumented by palm as of yet. palm really deserves commendation for laying out this framework |
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| 23:34.11 | destinal | and also kudos to palm for enabling open source graphics stuff to work basically out of the box |
| 23:34.17 | idontwan2know | I will say this, the fact that all this stuff is suddenly implemented at an advanced state without fanfare means that Palm has been working towards another huge CES event for a long time now. |
| 23:34.31 | idontwan2know | Possibly since launch. |
| 23:34.35 | destinal | idontwan2know: well, remember those job postings way back when? |
| 23:34.58 | idontwan2know | Right. |
| 23:35.07 | idontwan2know | At *least* since then. |
| 23:35.09 | destinal | posted June 29 |
| 23:35.16 | bpadalino | they deserve a lot of credit for doing this with open source packages too |
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| 23:35.53 | destinal | bpadalino: though admittedly, it would be good if their packages were complete and buildable |
| 23:35.59 | bpadalino | agreed |
| 23:36.23 | Jack87 | i think webos is aimed at geeks... and all the other stuff regular users do on it is just a simple given |
| 23:36.26 | bpadalino | just headers are needed .. not sure what they're afraid of .. |
| 23:36.32 | Jack87 | a side effect result |
| 23:36.39 | bpadalino | or if they just realize they're incomplete and don't care too much |
| 23:36.40 | zsoc | bpadalino: has anyone emailed them yet? |
| 23:36.42 | zsoc | maybe they are just waiting |
| 23:36.53 | bpadalino | destinal emailed them a while ago about libPiranha stuff |
| 23:36.57 | zsoc | ah |
| 23:37.14 | bpadalino | maybe it's time for a new email since libSDL is incomplete |
| 23:37.20 | bpadalino | maybe about libpurpleadapter too |
| 23:37.27 | bpadalino | and i think i see that in the releases too, right ? |
| 23:37.28 | destinal | I suppose I could email again in this context but I actually hope someone else, maybe someone who has asked for and gotten things successfully does it :) |
| 23:38.24 | rbredow | wonders if it's lame to ask here why I can't get wIRC to connect to freenode.net |
| 23:38.46 | destinal | rbredow: we all connect to freenode with wirc (since that's where the channel is) |
| 23:38.57 | Jack87 | rbredow: are you trying to use the same username you have now? |
| 23:39.13 | rbredow | Using a new username... |
| 23:39.25 | Jack87 | oil: this is a call for you |
| 23:39.26 | destinal | does clicking the server window return any error? |
| 23:39.37 | destinal | like did the server deny you for some reason? |
| 23:39.57 | rbredow | If I look at the server, it just says "Connecting..." and then a little bit later ~~~ Disconnected! |
| 23:40.41 | bpadalino | what i am really hoping for is a nice native SDK so we can all cross compile with the same environment .. and all be happy |
| 23:41.27 | dangerskew123 | that's almost what I'm expecting from ces |
| 23:41.29 | idontwan2know | I would think that would be reserved for special partners first (like EA and Epic?) before making its way to the general public. |
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| 23:42.25 | dangerskew123 | perhaps. that's what MS. is doing with the zune hd |
| 23:42.35 | destinal | idontwan2know: well, it IS |
| 23:42.39 | destinal | for now |
| 23:43.01 | destinal | idontwan2know: EA is using it to make Need For Speed in house now |
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| 23:43.07 | Traveler12 | MS can't keep their Marketplace locked for too much longer before users, such as myself, revolt... |
| 23:43.13 | destinal | based on that leaked video a while back |
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| 23:43.34 | rbredow-pre | Worked. just had to try another server. |
| 23:43.39 | bpadalino | i expect them to be invited up on stage to help present what they've done too . |
| 23:43.41 | idontwan2know | destinal: yeah, exactly |
| 23:43.42 | PreGame | destinal: check ops chan |
| 23:43.48 | dangerskew123 | I hope the NFS will be as good as NFS shift for iphone |
| 23:44.42 | Traveler12 | I vote to have the word "iPhone" banned from this channel. |
| 23:45.00 | bpadalino | without the iphone, i am not sure the pre would exist |
| 23:45.33 | KEYofR | trav head in sand comment |
| 23:45.43 | Traveler12 | =) |
| 23:46.26 | destinal | dangerskew123: it's likely to be a direct port from the iphone one |
| 23:48.18 | KEYofR | besides then how could you say "oh, how many apps can an iphone run at once? oh riiight." hey theres a commercial, ps or top display instead of the coverage maps |
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| 23:49.44 | KEYofR | were so missing out just because of publicity money. android commercials make a huge deal over features pre already had 6 months before |
| 23:50.19 | dangerskew123 | DROID DOES |
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| 23:51.10 | idontwan2know | That's why getting on Verizon is a big deal. |
| 23:51.22 | idontwan2know | It's not Motorola running all those Droid ads. |
| 23:51.35 | bpadalino | i still kinda think the pre/webos is better suited for tinkerers.. |
| 23:51.53 | KEYofR | oit completely is. except the hardware |
| 23:52.16 | idontwan2know | hardware is so overrated by phone junkies |
| 23:52.48 | dangerskew123 | it was even verizon who named it the droid |
| 23:52.55 | KEYofR | I dont understand that statement. the pre is awkwards as hell to hold and use. |
| 23:53.36 | idontwan2know | Are you serious? The Pre is usable one handed. |
| 23:53.40 | KEYofR | or did you think I was talking and cpu mhz? |
| 23:53.40 | idontwan2know | Try that on a droid. |
| 23:53.59 | dangerskew123 | the hardware is completely fine to me. only problem my pre has is a very small amount of oreo, which is normal |
| 23:54.06 | idontwan2know | but yes, I was referring to internals |
| 23:54.40 | destinal | bpadalino: hmmm, so "Porting OpenGL 1.0 or OpenGL ES 1.0 applications to OpenGL ES 2.0 needs a rewrite to replace fixed function API usage with programmable shaders" |
| 23:54.51 | bpadalino | yes |
| 23:54.53 | KEYofR | the treo or various other handsets are well done and useable with one hand. pre, is better than a few, worse than many. |
| 23:54.57 | bpadalino | they require those shaders |
| 23:54.59 | destinal | bpadalino: mildly annoying |
| 23:55.14 | bpadalino | destinal: i have the powervr demos for opengles2 .. |
| 23:55.21 | bpadalino | but they want their powervr shell .. |
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| 23:55.49 | bpadalino | looked like a decent amount of code to go through to hack together something that wraps it up into SDL |
| 23:56.00 | zsoc | destinal: bpadalino: we aren't the only people doing this, there are tons of docs on gles porting, and even some wrappers |
| 23:56.43 | bpadalino | i saw a DOGLESS open source app .. that would take GL apps and do the GLES stuff underneath .. but not sure how primitive it is |
| 23:57.02 | destinal | dogless lol |
| 23:57.07 | bpadalino | http://opensource.dylogic.com/DOGLESS/Articles/About.html |
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| 23:58.39 | bpadalino | the pdf in their documentation says it doesn't support some stuff yet .. |
| 23:58.46 | bpadalino | required for q3 arena |
