| 00:00.05 | dtzWill | ali1: but since they pack, doing it by hand shouldn't be too terrible right? the vec3+float->vec4 conversion. or is there more that makes it lame? |
| 00:00.22 | KEYofR | sas1064e chip on them |
| 00:00.54 | ali1 | dtzWill: not sure yet, but i think it'd be pretty trivial |
| 00:01.32 | ali1 | then again this would be my first foray into modifying a shader |
| 00:01.59 | oc80z | oh my freaking god |
| 00:02.30 | _lance_ | rwhitby: thanks for saving me another couple days of work. wish i asked you in the first place. |
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| 00:02.49 | rwhitby | cryptk-ppre: nope, we'll need oil or someone else familiar with webOS javascript to look at that. |
| 00:03.05 | KEYofR | I've since tried the cards in other boxes just to see if it was a fluke bad combo with a particular model of motherboard. same result. anyone want .. 8 or 12 sas3041e's heh |
| 00:03.13 | cryptk-ppre | ahh, thx for doing what you can |
| 00:03.18 | ali1 | dtzWill: i'm gonna email the author to see his reasoning or at least inform him |
| 00:03.45 | oc80z | rw...i handed my phone to someone |
| 00:03.49 | dtzWill | ali1: that's a great idea. i think modifying the shader wouldn't be too bad though (and the corresponding attribute/uniform bindings) |
| 00:04.03 | oc80z | i called it when he came back |
| 00:04.03 | oc80z | and he HAD IT ON HIM |
| 00:04.10 | oc80z | after i ASKED HIM if he had it |
| 00:04.26 | rwhitby | oc80z: cool - can you tell us exactly what the remote wipe actually wiped, and what it did not? |
| 00:05.15 | cryptk-ppre | KEYofR: what kind of interface are they? |
| 00:05.19 | cryptk-ppre | lol |
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| 00:05.54 | cryptk-ppre | anything that could work in a desktop? I need a hardware raid controller that does a 10 array |
| 00:06.32 | KEYofR | pcie low profile, I think I have the full size brackets too. some have heat sinks epoxied on from my later more desperate attempts to make them reliableand I'm kidding. well |
| 00:07.11 | KEYofR | and Im kidding, I'd hate to see anyone else fight with these things. the problem is they work well enough to make you think they work. |
| 00:07.40 | cryptk-ppre | they for sale? could it have been a kernel issue? |
| 00:07.50 | KEYofR | unless you had reason to beleive it'd be ok for you such as "we know that the freebsd driver is solid" |
| 00:07.50 | oc80z | i cant fucking believe people.. |
| 00:07.50 | oc80z | Yeah |
| 00:08.04 | oc80z | rw: i just have the blackscreen + PALM |
| 00:08.12 | oc80z | i'll try to hit novacom+ |
| 00:08.26 | rwhitby | oc80z: probably still wiping - it would take a while |
| 00:08.36 | rwhitby | but yeah, try to novaterm in and see what it's doing |
| 00:09.04 | oc80z | ill keep you posted |
| 00:09.10 | oc80z | since its not finding the phone |
| 00:09.23 | oc80z | looks like its keeping it at THAT level. |
| 00:09.27 | oc80z | :)) |
| 00:09.47 | oc80z | now THIS feature.. is Corporate+ |
| 00:11.43 | ali1 | ahhh |
| 00:12.05 | ali1 | dtzWill: book also said that if you go over the max attribs, it will fail to link |
| 00:12.17 | oc80z | awesome. i guess. |
| 00:12.19 | ali1 | but apparently unused attribs don't even get counted |
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| 00:12.38 | ali1 | so it'll link even though 9 were declared |
| 00:12.53 | dtzWill | ali1: ahhhhhhh. that does make sense; i was wondering why it didn't barf on us. well on you; mine doesn't run presently. |
| 00:13.15 | ali1 | dtzWill: i'm gonna have to figure that out because i swear it works on mine |
| 00:13.38 | ali1 | wait maybe it isn't finding the shader to read in? |
| 00:14.06 | ali1 | whatever i'll make the locations to shader and library an argument to the test program next commit |
| 00:14.35 | ali1 | dtzWill: if you want to take a look yourself look at wes_init function call in test.c |
| 00:14.51 | dtzWill | ali1: nah it finds them--if it's not there it barfs. don't worry about it for mys ake quite yet, i'll get serious about tracking it down haha. |
| 00:15.02 | ali1 | heh okay |
| 00:15.04 | dtzWill | ali1: although i'll probably be back asking a question in a bit hehe :) |
| 00:15.29 | ali1 | no prob though maybe i should get a real irc client instead of using this web one |
| 00:15.41 | ali1 | so i can get alerts better |
| 00:16.05 | oc80z | hrm.. |
| 00:17.07 | KEYofR | crypt: sorry to false alarm it was a joke. I'm keeping them in the corner and keeping an eye out for firmware updates or linux driver updates or possible later project using some other os like freebsd. |
| 00:17.24 | cryptk-ppre | ahh, no biggie... |
| 00:17.45 | dtzWill | ali1: although i might make a makefile for the examples :). objections? |
| 00:18.01 | dtzWill | ali1: and i think i'm gonna pull in some other examples to see if i can get them working and go from there. |
| 00:18.05 | cryptk-ppre | KEYofR: you know of an affordable hardware control that will do a raid 10 |
| 00:18.06 | KEYofR | it's frustrating because I _really_ have use for 3gbps pcie 4 port sata2 cards IF they would only be solid. |
| 00:18.40 | dtzWill | ali1: rofl there's an examples target already, i'm sorry |
| 00:18.45 | rwhitby | So, what do we need to add to http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions ? |
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| 00:19.17 | KEYofR | 3ware is a ffordable but I don't like their performance. I really only ever bother with fully software raid now. hardware raid just gets in the way and causes problems |
| 00:19.28 | ali1 | dtzWill: haha its okay |
| 00:19.58 | KEYofR | software is a slightly more learning curve, but you can do whatever you need to do and are never stuck because of what the firmware does or doesn't do |
| 00:20.44 | cryptk-ppre | well I am using a jbod raid now. |
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| 00:20.54 | KEYofR | and I don't know a goo plain sata2 card thats solid in linux at the moment other than el-cheapo 2-port silicon image junk |
| 00:21.14 | cryptk-ppre | I have just heard that a hardware controller is faster |
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| 00:21.44 | rwhitby | KEYofR, cryptk-ppre: -> #webos-watercooler ? |
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| 00:22.08 | oc80z | 17:10 i erased phone.. 17:20 palm.com erased data 19:00 i catch the guy w/ phone... Phone is not booting :) |
| 00:22.25 | cryptk-ppre | rwhitby: didn't know we had that channel... |
| 00:22.26 | oc80z | i am guessing i should doctor it. :) |
| 00:22.29 | sryan_ | anyone know where downloaded files with the pres web browser are saved |
| 00:22.50 | KEYofR | those are actually reliable, but, you can't put more than 2 in a box for some reason. (at least with some motherboards) next up is Promise pci-x and an aopen pxi-x card, but pci-x is not actually enough bandwidth for 8 sata2 |
| 00:22.54 | rwhitby | oc80z: do you know how to bootie mem into the initramfs ? |
| 00:23.00 | KEYofR | rwhitby, sorry |
| 00:23.19 | rwhitby | oc80z: with bootie mem: you can check what's still in the flash |
| 00:23.20 | oc80z | i am familiar with SunOS / Cisco IOS initramfs |
| 00:23.27 | oc80z | Outstanding. |
| 00:23.53 | rwhitby | oc80z: can you get the phone into recovery mode? |
| 00:24.20 | rwhitby | (connected to a machine that can do novacom, and which has a copy of the doctor (but don't run the doctor) and tools to unpack the doctor |
| 00:24.21 | KEYofR | This card is cheap as dirt, plain sata2, 8 ports, and solid in linux. need pci-x slot. |
| 00:24.23 | KEYofR | http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessories/addon/AOC-SAT2-MV8.cfm |
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| 00:25.00 | rwhitby | oc80z: I'm really interested in finding out what the wipe does |
| 00:25.04 | jacques | bialw |
| 00:25.19 | rwhitby | notes PalmCast in 35 mins |
| 00:25.24 | cryptk-ppre | rwhitby: I am gonna start a free 'recover my pre' service... mail it to me, I will restore it to factory... you pay return shipping,lol |
| 00:25.54 | rwhitby | cryptk-ppre: and you profit from the bank account details you collect? |
| 00:25.59 | cryptk-ppre | thanks rwhitby for the heads up... syn syn syn syn syn syn syn syn syn |
| 00:26.02 | cryptk-ppre | no |
| 00:26.19 | cryptk-ppre | they send a return shipping label with the pre |
| 00:26.31 | rwhitby | cryptk-ppre: so what's the monetisation plan? |
| 00:26.53 | cryptk-ppre | advertising space on my website? I dunno |
| 00:27.00 | destinal | cryptk-ppre: lol |
| 00:27.07 | cryptk-ppre | maybe I will charge 5 bucks or somethin, lol |
| 00:27.13 | oc80z | on the phone, |
| 00:27.14 | rwhitby | cryptk-ppre: that'd work |
| 00:27.15 | destinal | 3. ???? 4. Profit! |
| 00:27.55 | cryptk-ppre | new recovery instructions... 1. doctor... r |
| 00:28.01 | cryptk-ppre | 2. last resort |
| 00:28.16 | cryptk-ppre | 3. mail it to cryptk with a 5 spot in the box |
| 00:28.35 | destinal | by the way has anyone ever had to use last resort for real? |
| 00:28.38 | cryptk-ppre | bring it over with beer if you are in san antonio, lol |
| 00:28.44 | rwhitby | oc80z: ping me when you're ready to start with bootie mem |
| 00:28.46 | destinal | I wrote it up a while back but haven't really seen it used |
| 00:28.58 | dtzWill | ali1: well i see the glas texture xD. woo baby steps |
| 00:28.59 | rwhitby | destinal: yes, we used it the other day |
| 00:29.08 | oc80z | will do rw |
| 00:29.11 | destinal | rwhitby: how did it work? |
| 00:29.16 | cryptk-ppre | I have never seen it successfully used... if I had a spare pre I would do it and make a youtube vid |
| 00:29.20 | rwhitby | destinal: if proved that it was a hardware fault, not a meta-doctor problem |
| 00:29.24 | sryan_ | should I do a full erase + backup + doctor so palm profile does not restore anything? |
| 00:29.27 | rwhitby | s/if/it/ |
| 00:29.29 | destinal | rwhitby: cool, that's good then |
| 00:29.34 | cryptk-ppre | anyone wanna volunteer their extra pre |
| 00:29.53 | rwhitby | destinal: didn't work from inside virtualbox, unfortunately |
| 00:30.09 | destinal | yeah I imagine it's fairly sensitive to USB timings |
| 00:30.39 | cryptk-ppre | rwhitby: didn't you get a second pre today? |
| 00:30.52 | rwhitby | cryptk-ppre: now, I have 3 already. egaudet got a second today |
| 00:31.15 | destinal | egaudet: you bought a second one? |
| 00:31.27 | rwhitby | he had to, for aupt testing |
| 00:31.30 | destinal | ah |
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| 00:32.00 | cryptk-ppre | ahh, anyone wanna volunteer one for testing/youtube bid of last resort? |
| 00:32.08 | destinal | rwhitby: how much did your precentral donated pre cost again? |
| 00:32.25 | cryptk-ppre | brb, moving to desktop |
| 00:32.54 | rwhitby | destinal: EU500 |
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| 00:33.03 | egaudet | yea I was tired of doctoring my one and only phone, so I jumped on that $100 offer |
| 00:33.07 | dtzWill | ali1: it's aliiiivveeee! :D |
| 00:33.13 | destinal | egaudet: that was legit? |
| 00:33.19 | egaudet | yea |
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| 00:33.21 | destinal | egaudet: is that guy still around? |
| 00:33.38 | egaudet | haven't seen him |
| 00:33.41 | destinal | actually maybe I haven't had a sprint contract long enough |
| 00:33.41 | cryptk | back |
| 00:33.50 | destinal | I think he said you needed to have had it for a year |
| 00:34.03 | egaudet | I bought my pre maybe 3-4 months ago? |
| 00:34.10 | destinal | hmm. |
| 00:34.12 | egaudet | so my contract was pretty new, although it does get extended |
| 00:34.23 | egaudet | s/does/did/ s/extended/renewed/ |
| 00:34.24 | destinal | egaudet: oh, restarts at two years now or? |
| 00:34.27 | egaudet | yea |
| 00:34.29 | dtzWill | ali1: that demo is amazing. so you're working on gltest then? |
| 00:34.48 | dtzWill | ali1: get a client that pings you properly :):) |
| 00:34.57 | destinal | egaudet: oh well, hopefully he comes back, I wish I would have jumped on that |
| 00:34.59 | ali1 | ok :O |
| 00:35.05 | cryptk | hrm... since I get a new phone every year (sprint platinum or whatever it is called)... if someone pays for me to get a new pre once I have had this one for a year... I will send them my old one for a test phone |
| 00:35.06 | cryptk | lol |
| 00:35.25 | ali1 | but yeah thats awesome its working now |
| 00:35.48 | egaudet | yea I was skeptical at first but just giving my phone number couldn't hurt I figured. |
| 00:35.52 | ali1 | after i fix the attributes thing i wanna try to put in the glShadeMode function in |
| 00:36.22 | cryptk | what is the name of that sprint preferred customer thing anyway, I can't remember... I am one though... whatever it is called |
| 00:36.38 | dtzWill | ali1: wonderful. is there anything else you wanna try/test/fix? :). |
| 00:37.10 | rwhitby | "WebOS Internals: It's just a Linux box with a touchscreen" |
| 00:37.18 | ali1 | not yet but i haven;t been exploring much of anything else than the vertex attrib thing |
| 00:38.01 | dtzWill | ali1: alright. well now that it's /running/ i can try to help if you wanna delegate some things. i think i'll try integrating with some more examples first. :D |
| 00:38.09 | destinal | rwhitby: "WebOS Internals: go deep" |
| 00:38.21 | destinal | heh, too vague |
| 00:38.39 | cryptk | rwhitby, "WebOS Internals: cause it is more fun than Ubuntu" |
| 00:38.42 | ali1 | dtzWill: alright! |
| 00:39.19 | egaudet | "WebOS Internals: Do More" |
| 00:39.55 | Templarian | "WebOS Internals: Yea we agree the pixi is weak" |
| 00:40.10 | destinal | yeah, I should get another Pre for dev stuff. As they say: "You should not conduct tests while valuable monkeys are connected. Always mount a scratch monkey." |
| 00:40.36 | cryptk | "WebOS Internals: We knew that button was useless from the start" |
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| 00:41.01 | rwhitby | Templarian: so, we need a Tux with a plug that fits into the Palm SDK socket |
| 00:41.25 | cryptk | destinal, if you can reming me of the name of the preferred aprint customer thing I can check and see when I am due for an upgrade... may be able to get you a pre for cheap sometime soon |
| 00:41.25 | ali1 | okay i got a real irc client now |
| 00:41.27 | Templarian | What does hte Palm SDK socket look like? |
| 00:41.33 | Templarian | the* |
| 00:41.34 | cryptk | s/aprint/sprint/ |
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| 00:42.00 | rwhitby | Templarian: sorry, Palm PDK socke |
| 00:42.19 | Templarian | oh yea that makes more sense. |
| 00:42.37 | destinal | cryptk: Sprint Premier ? |
| 00:42.52 | Templarian | lol, hmm, you want a small 16x16 ice icon also? |
| 00:43.21 | KEYofR | useless except maybe for subconscious marketing. that little round button down near the bottom on front sorta makes me think of a, uh, button. |
| 00:43.35 | rwhitby | Templarian: http://developer.palm.com/images/palm/sdk_plugin_sm.png |
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| 00:44.00 | Templarian | Yea. I'll make it look cute. :) |
| 00:44.10 | rwhitby | Templarian: maybe the Tux with that socket, I dunno. You're the expert :-) |
| 00:44.13 | Templarian | Mostly because the plug will be the size of his head. |
| 00:44.24 | Templarian | or socket |
| 00:44.30 | Templarian | no plug is correct. |
| 00:44.45 | sryan_ | anyone know how to erase everything on palm profile or to bypass it? |
| 00:44.47 | rwhitby | well, we're creating an alternative socket at the moment |
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| 00:45.15 | KEYofR | sryan: enter a bogus email and account when starting back up |
| 00:45.24 | cryptk | destinal that was it... I get a new phone every year |
| 00:45.38 | Templarian | rwhitby: is the repo organized since I'm sure there will be some nice standalone plugins beind developed. |
| 00:45.58 | Templarian | being* |
| 00:46.16 | rwhitby | Templarian: http://bit.ly/webos-internals-pdk |
| 00:47.21 | Templarian | How large does this icon need to be? |
| 00:47.58 | oc80z | rwhitby hey now |
| 00:48.14 | rwhitby | Templarian: normal Preware icon |
| 00:48.21 | Mousey | AH HA@! |
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| 00:48.36 | Mousey | "WebOS-Internals: It's just a Linux box with a touchscreen" |
| 00:48.40 | Templarian | rwhitby: sounds good. :) |
| 00:49.40 | cashen | "Linux with a touch of web" |
| 00:49.44 | rwhitby | oc80z: ok, can you unpack the doctor to get the initramfs? |
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| 00:49.55 | Toaster89 | cant get it to work still I'm just not experenced enough to do it. :P |
| 00:50.01 | rwhitby | heh - Dieter Rant on PalmCast :-) |
| 00:50.08 | oc80z | rwhitby: Sprint could not refund the $100 Asurian Insurance billed me..but Sprint did refund me $10/month ($120/year) off my bill. |
| 00:50.17 | oc80z | $20 palm pre. |
| 00:50.21 | oc80z | ;] |
| 00:50.22 | Mousey | <3 |
| 00:50.29 | oc80z | ill work on that |
| 00:50.59 | oc80z | i need a procedure guide |
| 00:51.17 | oc80z | i am @ wiki/Research_Pre_Boot_Process |
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| 00:51.31 | rwhitby | oc80z: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=blob;f=scripts/unpack-doctor |
| 00:51.39 | oc80z | thanks. |
| 00:52.00 | oc80z | i forgot to tell you |
| 00:52.08 | oc80z | i am stuck in the intramfs |
| 00:52.14 | oc80z | phone is not booting the kernel.. |
| 00:52.20 | oc80z | hence, no novacom. |
| 00:52.32 | rwhitby | did you bootie mem? |
| 00:52.43 | oc80z | ohh |
| 00:52.57 | KEYofR | WebOS-Internals: Read, bleed, or cede. |
| 00:53.36 | oc80z | 1 sec 1 sec |
| 00:53.39 | destinal | cryptk: yeah, let me know if you do end up getting a replacement and what you'd be willing to sell that one for |
| 00:53.42 | rwhitby | oc80z: just novacom boot mem:// and feed it the uImage from the doctor |
| 00:53.54 | rwhitby | oc80z: (from recovery mode) |
| 00:54.09 | rwhitby | that should get you into the installer initramfs, waiting for a novacom connection |
| 00:54.11 | destinal | rwhitby: wait, why is bootie recovery mode not working with doctor? |
| 00:54.24 | destinal | vol-up+power |
| 00:54.26 | rwhitby | destinal: pardon |
| 00:54.29 | cryptk | destinal, all depends on what the cost of the new top-o-line WebOS phone on sprint is at the time that I get my upgrade |
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| 00:54.37 | cryptk | and if I can afford it or not |
| 00:54.56 | cryptk | if I can afford the upgrade, I would probably sell the Pre for like $50 or so |
| 00:55.15 | cryptk | it would definitely go to someone here at WebOS Internals |
| 00:55.16 | destinal | cryptk: cool, just let me know at that time if you do |
| 00:55.37 | cryptk | hey... "WebOS Internals: we will buy your old Pre's... as long as they are cheap" |
| 00:55.44 | cashen | "My OS is more open than yours", now thats pretty nerd |
| 00:55.45 | destinal | :) |
| 00:56.22 | destinal | oc80z: can't you just boot recovery and run doctor? |
| 00:56.22 | cryptk | "WebOs Internals: because we can facePALM with our phone still in our hands" |
| 00:56.38 | rwhitby | destinal: we don't want to erase the flash |
| 00:56.44 | rwhitby | destinal: we want to see what is left after a remote wipe |
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| 00:57.34 | destinal | rwhitby: ah |
| 00:57.48 | rwhitby | dieter is really having a sprint rant :-) |
| 00:58.10 | destinal | rwhitby: too bad geist didn't leave slave / disk mode in bootie |
| 00:58.10 | dBsooner | :( |
| 00:58.18 | destinal | the one with the big OBEY picture |
| 00:58.25 | dBsooner | Trac is still broken. |
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| 00:59.14 | destinal | rwhitby: so yeah, you want a kernel with a ramfs that will have usbnet and nfs root ideally but that may be a bit of work ;) |
| 01:00.21 | rwhitby | destinal: we're just going to boot into the installer initramfs, and then tar | netcat |
| 01:00.22 | KEYofR | WebOS-Internals: my phone can run your phone in a window |
| 01:00.47 | oc80z | dumb dumb deedum |
| 01:00.49 | oc80z | this is nice |
| 01:00.50 | destinal | rwhitby: ah, right, the installer has a perfectly good one |
| 01:01.03 | rwhitby | oc80z: got it? |
| 01:01.07 | oc80z | ] battery status |
| 01:01.12 | oc80z | battery present |
| 01:01.13 | oc80z | voltage: 3762480 |
| 01:01.19 | oc80z | percentage: 21 |
| 01:01.21 | oc80z | current: 87656 |
| 01:01.21 | oc80z | capacity: 212800 |
| 01:01.22 | oc80z | ooh |
| 01:01.22 | oc80z | yeah |
| 01:01.28 | oc80z | lets ah.. |
| 01:01.32 | oc80z | boot :/ |
| 01:01.45 | Toaster89 | hehe I'd like to see the iphone play need for speed, quake and be able to talk on the phone. :D the pre is just amazing! |
| 01:02.16 | destinal | Toaster89: the iphone 3gs has a cortex-a8 also, we can't brag TOO much about the system-on-chip we have |
| 01:02.27 | rwhitby | http://chatroll.com/palmcast-live/embed |
| 01:02.31 | Toaster89 | I was more bragging about the multitasking lol |
| 01:02.32 | oc80z | the iphone plays need for speed right? |
| 01:02.37 | oc80z | ahah |
| 01:02.42 | oc80z | this is true Toaster89 |
| 01:02.45 | Toaster89 | not while your on a phone call I think not sure? |
| 01:02.57 | oc80z | you could be bluetoothed. |
| 01:04.03 | oc80z | http://bit.ly/8DuAPk |
| 01:04.03 | oc80z | thats mine, $20 ebay. |
| 01:04.24 | Toaster89 | no thanks |
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| 01:05.04 | rwhitby | oc80z: so, you're into the initramfs shelll? |
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| 01:09.09 | dBsooner | rwhitby: get #palmcast to mention the WebOS-Patches Web Portal. :) |
| 01:09.28 | destinal | oc80z: lol that dealmania page says "buletooth" |
| 01:10.34 | destinal | oc80z: is it good quality? |
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| 01:11.41 | destinal | rwhitby: does the installer ramfs give you novacom and you just novacom open the command? |
| 01:12.52 | destinal | this sucks, I have no headphones |
| 01:13.11 | flare576 | anyone using ez-ipupdate from Preware? |
| 01:13.12 | oc80z | back |
| 01:13.26 | oc80z | yeah rwhitby im in initram |
| 01:13.27 | rwhitby | destinal: just novaterm in |
| 01:13.35 | destinal | rwhitby: err, right, novaterm |
| 01:13.39 | destinal | duh |
| 01:13.42 | rwhitby | oc80z: ok, so you need to start LVM and mount the partitions |
| 01:13.42 | destinal | facepalms |
| 01:13.59 | oc80z | ok ok lemmie get there |
| 01:14.10 | Robi_ | my replacement phone has arrived with an extra charger! |
| 01:14.16 | oc80z | whats it ram0 |
| 01:14.22 | oc80z | hrm its ro |
| 01:14.24 | destinal | rwhitby: has anyone documented this? if not I'll follow along with you guys and write it up |
| 01:14.25 | oc80z | looks ok the env, |
| 01:14.34 | rwhitby | destinal: not that I know of |
| 01:14.34 | oc80z | but i am assuming its not ok |
| 01:14.57 | oc80z | since it would fail on boot.. |
| 01:15.10 | oc80z | loading file '/boot/uImage' to address 0x81000000 |
| 01:15.15 | thatguy7 | Anyone have a clue where LED control would be in the Pixi? |
| 01:15.16 | oc80z | parse_uimage:229: uimage 0x81000000 |
| 01:15.16 | oc80z | guessing this is where it hangs. |
| 01:15.22 | thatguy7 | i2c-adapter is far different than the pre. |
| 01:15.29 | thatguy7 | Cannot find torch or avin. |
| 01:15.34 | rwhitby | oc80z: what are you doing there? |
| 01:15.49 | oc80z | ah |
| 01:15.59 | cashen | Got it, http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4270531228_88c39a31cd_o.jpg |
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| 01:17.09 | oc80z | dunno |
| 01:17.12 | oc80z | need a boot image |
| 01:17.28 | oc80z | since the reset changed it |
| 01:19.18 | PuffTheMagic | xcomp: if you want to stop getting efl libs i can help out on it but not till this weekend |
| 01:19.32 | rwhitby | oc80z: novacom boot mem:// < image from webos doctor |
| 01:19.58 | *** part/#webos-internals _lance_ (n=tldr@tail.recursing.org) |
| 01:20.50 | oc80z | yea |
| 01:21.34 | oc80z | Yikes |
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| 01:22.12 | oc80z | i was doing boot mem |
| 01:22.33 | oc80z | ohh i have to do that |
| 01:22.35 | oc80z | *sigh* |
| 01:22.46 | oc80z | u see how in and out i am.. |
| 01:22.56 | oc80z | phone, ppl, blah around me. |
| 01:23.05 | rwhitby | yeah, no worries |
| 01:23.07 | flare576 | Note to self: restart. Restart restart restart. |
| 01:23.10 | oc80z | sorry mate, |
| 01:23.18 | oc80z | cheers in a bit. |
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| 01:25.56 | destinal | rwhitby: cool, I got a shell on mine :) |
| 01:26.18 | Toaster89 | is there any webOS app that will let me stream videos/music from my desktop to my pre? |
| 01:26.20 | destinal | ./unpack-doctor webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.5.jar; cd webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.5/webOS; novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage; sleep 15; sudo novaterm |
| 01:27.11 | dtzWill | ali1: were you able to get a gears demo going? (other than whatever ambitious project caused the 8attribute limit? :)) |
| 01:27.14 | flare576 | Toaster89: sort of. check out Orb (http://www.orb.com/). It's not fantastic quality and it's through your web browser, but if enough interest is shown they might make a WebOS client. |
| 01:27.20 | ird | Toaster89: ampache for music |
| 01:27.35 | ali1 | dtzWill: gears demo? |
| 01:27.43 | flare576 | but ird is right; ampache for music is amazing. |
| 01:27.53 | destinal | rwhitby: mount /dev/mmcblk0p2 /mnt/cf |
| 01:28.05 | Toaster89 | anything for videos? |
| 01:28.06 | flare576 | I prefer "Ampache Mobile" as the phone app |
| 01:28.12 | flare576 | Toaster89: Orb does video |
| 01:28.33 | flare576 | but as I said, it's not of epic quality. |
| 01:28.34 | dtzWill | ali1: you know glgears, etc. classic opengl proof of concept. here i can check it in; i just modified it away from display lists. afaict it sohuld work (tested it on my machine's opengl). |
| 01:28.40 | flare576 | and you can't switch cards |
| 01:28.44 | rwhitby | destinal: we need to start LVM, no? |
| 01:29.00 | destinal | rwhitby: yes, you're right |
| 01:29.21 | flare576 | heh, i wonder if Orb will upgrade to streaming via flash once that lands on more mobile platforms.... that'd be interesting. |
| 01:29.36 | oc80z | Toaster89 yeah its possible, soon. |
| 01:29.38 | ali1 | dtzWill: oh okay cool |
| 01:29.40 | destinal | rwhitby: there's a lvm.static |
| 01:29.45 | ali1 | yeah i haven't touched that |
| 01:29.46 | rwhitby | destinal: yep |
| 01:29.48 | destinal | I just have no idea anything about lvm |
| 01:29.53 | Toaster89 | hmm k |
| 01:30.21 | Toaster89 | but nothing as of it right now? |
| 01:30.24 | rwhitby | destinal, oc80z: lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure |
| 01:30.36 | rwhitby | destinal, oc80z: lvm.static vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure |
| 01:30.36 | oc80z | is destinal doing the same as me? |
| 01:30.41 | rwhitby | oc80z: yep |
| 01:30.42 | destinal | root@palm-webos-device:/# lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure |
| 01:30.42 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.42 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.50 | flare576 | [17:27] <flare576> Toaster89: sort of. check out Orb (http://www.orb.com/). It's not fantastic quality and it's through your web browser, but if enough interest is shown they might make a WebOS client. |
| 01:31.15 | rwhitby | destinal: then mount partitions from /dev/mapper/.... |
| 01:31.16 | dBsooner | rwhitby: I know you're busy with the PCL, but have you had a chance to look at the apache error_log on git.webos-internals.org? |
| 01:31.33 | Toaster89 | yeah since there is no WebOS client I cant use it though |
| 01:31.39 | flare576 | sure you can |
| 01:31.50 | flare576 | it goes through your browser |
| 01:31.50 | destinal | mount /dev/mapper/store-root /media/cf/ |
| 01:31.53 | destinal | yup, got it |
| 01:32.08 | Toaster89 | flare using flash probably? |
| 01:32.12 | flare576 | ... |
| 01:32.14 | flare576 | No. |
| 01:32.18 | rwhitby | oc80z: you there, based on those commands? |
| 01:32.21 | oc80z | negative |
| 01:32.32 | oc80z | in intram.. |
| 01:32.50 | cashen | What about tux wearing a shirt that says "up up down down left right left right b a start" |
| 01:33.04 | cashen | holding a pre of course |
| 01:33.05 | flare576 | i've used orb. I wanted it primarily for music, so I switched to Ampache. If you want video primarily, but don't mind bad quality, your choice is orb through your browser. If you want high quality, you're currently out of luck as far as I'm aware |
| 01:33.09 | rwhitby | cashen: too obscure, really. |
| 01:33.11 | oc80z | need to boot |
| 01:33.18 | cashen | damn |
| 01:33.25 | dBsooner | cashen: or "webos20090606" |
| 01:33.29 | oc80z | T bootargs-ramdisk = root=/dev/ram0 ramdisk=32768 ro |
| 01:33.32 | oc80z | T bootargs = root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootwait ro |
| 01:33.37 | rwhitby | oc80z: did you get the initramfs out of the doctor, and boot that? |
| 01:33.50 | rwhitby | oc80z: from recovery mode? |
| 01:33.59 | destinal | rwhitby: for STORE in log media root swap update var; do mkdir /mnt/$STORE; mount /dev/mapper/$STORE /mnt/$STORE; done |
| 01:34.06 | oc80z | im confused when you say doctor |
| 01:34.15 | destinal | rwhitby: now I have /mnt/root and /mnt/var etc |
| 01:34.21 | oc80z | i havnt used the palm webos doctor yet. |
| 01:34.48 | rwhitby | oc80z: no |
| 01:34.48 | oc80z | i have it running.. |
| 01:34.53 | rwhitby | oc80z: unpack the doctor. |
| 01:34.54 | flare576 | Toaster89: here's a good place to start for configuration once you get everything installed if you decide to try it out: http://forums.orb.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=21503&p=59641&hilit=webos#p59641 |
| 01:34.57 | rwhitby | get the nova-installer-image-castle.uImage file |
| 01:35.05 | rwhitby | novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage |
| 01:35.26 | oc80z | *sigh* im have novaproxy python and putty |
| 01:35.28 | rwhitby | oc80z: do *not* run the doctor |
| 01:35.38 | oc80z | im not on that workstation. |
| 01:35.38 | oc80z | i understand. |
| 01:35.50 | oc80z | i dont have the uImage file.. |
| 01:35.59 | oc80z | *sigh* |
| 01:36.09 | rwhitby | oc80z: it's in webOS.tar in the doctor (which is just a .zip) |
| 01:36.25 | destinal | oc80z: do you have linux? |
| 01:36.27 | rwhitby | oc80z: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/meta-doctor.git;a=blob;f=scripts/unpack-doctor |
| 01:36.33 | destinal | ./unpack-doctor webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.5.jar; cd webosdoctorp100ewwsprint-1.3.5/webOS; novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage; sleep 15; sudo novaterm |
| 01:36.47 | oc80z | ok. |
| 01:37.16 | oc80z | let me get it to the VM.. :/ |
| 01:37.25 | oc80z | oh yeah |
| 01:37.32 | oc80z | nothing is on there... |
| 01:37.57 | oc80z | cept backtrack & some other bad shit |
| 01:38.07 | oc80z | i have linux |
| 01:38.22 | oc80z | let me get that junk |
| 01:38.22 | oc80z | ARGK |
| 01:38.45 | Robi_ | rwhitby: I now have a spare phone until I send it back, anything that needs testing? |
| 01:38.48 | dtzWill | ali1: fwiw it's pushed, but doesn't work. err it /should/ work but doesn't yet. just another data point |
| 01:38.48 | oc80z | so annoyed right now.. |
| 01:40.16 | oc80z | wheres that damn shit |
| 01:40.50 | destinal | lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure; for VOL in root var media; do mkdir -p /mnt/$VOL; mount /dev/mapper/store-$VOL /mnt/$VOL; done |
| 01:40.56 | oc80z | heh |
| 01:40.57 | destinal | (for later) |
| 01:41.39 | oc80z | this aint happeneing |
| 01:41.39 | oc80z | and i need my shit for tomorrow |
| 01:41.40 | sryan_ | does the 3g radio use more energy than the SoC? I get more battery life playing doom than I do streaming radio... |
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| 01:41.59 | destinal | oc80z: you don't have to use linux, you could use windows |
| 01:42.09 | destinal | or anything that has sdk on it |
| 01:42.18 | destinal | (well novacom package really) |
| 01:42.42 | oc80z | i think i installed it here |
| 01:42.59 | oc80z | holy shit i did. |
| 01:43.01 | destinal | rwhitby: once again I love novacom :) |
| 01:43.32 | oc80z | ,....was like, i have to do the novacom usb in linux, OVER vmware.. on backtrack? oh,,. great. |
| 01:43.49 | destinal | oc80z: nah, if windows is what it's directly connected to use that |
| 01:44.07 | destinal | this should be really easy |
| 01:44.54 | destinal | rwhitby: I'm navigating through my filesystems, I feel a lot better about my data even in the event of some kind of catastrophic os failure |
| 01:45.04 | destinal | though I don't keep anything important on the pre anyway |
| 01:45.15 | oc80z | we arent looking at webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jnlp are we? |
| 01:45.23 | oc80z | via WebOS Doctor download page? |
| 01:45.23 | oc80z | or we looking at the entire Image |
| 01:45.25 | cashen | I can't listen you those guys anymore |
| 01:45.25 | destinal | oc80z: no, you need the doctor jar |
| 01:45.30 | rwhitby | oc80z: unzip the .jar file |
| 01:45.32 | oc80z | blah |
| 01:45.47 | oc80z | i instlaled the sdk here. |
| 01:46.08 | oc80z | i got it |
| 01:46.08 | oc80z | ill dl it |
| 01:46.57 | oc80z | 3MB/sec |
| 01:47.05 | oc80z | *shrug* thanks u 2 |
| 01:47.06 | ali1 | dtzWill: it might not work if you're using GL_TEXTURE3 i think |
| 01:47.15 | destinal | rwhitby: we could do this from totally bare metal, usb boot bootie, novacom boot the kernel, novaterm to a shell |
| 01:48.12 | zsoc|sad | dtzWill: gears works? |
| 01:48.28 | oc80z | sup with this script now |
| 01:48.37 | destinal | oc80z: are you on windows? |
| 01:48.56 | oc80z | *sigh* yeah |
| 01:49.00 | destinal | oc80z: just use some kind of archiver and extract the doctor jar, rename it to a zip first if you have to |
| 01:49.05 | destinal | it's just a zip file |
| 01:49.11 | oc80z | i kno i kno |
| 01:49.23 | destinal | k then extract webos.tar in the resulting directory |
| 01:49.34 | oc80z | throw it in.. |
| 01:49.38 | oc80z | /rootfs |
| 01:49.45 | oc80z | right? |
| 01:49.56 | destinal | nah |
| 01:49.56 | destinal | doesn't matter |
| 01:49.57 | oc80z | boot that mem:// it'll look there.. |
| 01:50.00 | oc80z | hrm |
| 01:50.04 | destinal | just go doc/resources |
| 01:50.08 | destinal | extract webos.tar |
| 01:50.13 | dtzWill | zsoc|sad: it does not. sorry. |
| 01:50.28 | zsoc|sad | dtzWill: oh :/ well, closer.. |
| 01:51.10 | oc80z | soorry for the lame time its takin me |
| 01:51.22 | destinal | oc80z: then you need nova-installer-image-castle.uImage |
| 01:51.33 | destinal | which is in the webos.tar |
| 01:51.33 | oc80z | afk 1 sec, im at work |
| 01:51.33 | oc80z | its grr. |
| 01:51.48 | destinal | oc80z: no worries take however much time it takes, not rushing :) |
| 01:52.24 | destinal | oc80z: do you have the windows novaterm? |
| 01:52.49 | destinal | http://tkgeisel.com/stuff/novaterm-1.zip |
| 01:53.35 | destinal | we don't need it yet but will later (after we nova boot the pre) |
| 01:55.03 | *** part/#webos-internals zsoc|sad (n=zsoc@unaffiliated/zsoc) |
| 01:55.14 | oc80z | sup |
| 01:55.31 | oc80z | yeah i have the SDK |
| 01:55.40 | oc80z | and the nova-install....uImage |
| 01:55.43 | destinal | well the novaterm for windows doesn't come with sdk |
| 01:55.50 | destinal | it has novacom but no novaterm |
| 01:55.59 | oc80z | bah |
| 01:56.05 | destinal | so grab the zip from above link |
| 01:56.13 | oc80z | thank you |
| 01:56.47 | oc80z | so within |
| 01:56.50 | oc80z | webos/ |
| 01:56.58 | destinal | cool, you have the uImage |
| 01:56.58 | oc80z | novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage; sleep 15; sudo novaterm |
| 01:56.59 | oc80z | sleem eek |
| 01:57.01 | oc80z | im not linux |
| 01:57.04 | destinal | well never mind the rest |
| 01:57.15 | destinal | only |
| 01:57.16 | destinal | novacom boot mem:// < nova-installer-image-castle.uImage |
| 01:57.47 | destinal | it'll take a minute but USB logo should change to palm logo |
| 01:57.54 | destinal | a solid palm logo |
| 01:58.21 | oc80z | done. |
| 01:58.39 | destinal | ok now get your novaterm, you apparently want to put it in your sdk directory |
| 01:58.51 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:58.58 | rwhitby | or novacom open tty:/// |
| 01:59.00 | rwhitby | oops |
| 01:59.01 | rwhitby | or novacom open tty:// |
| 01:59.13 | destinal | sure but you can't copy paste so I'd avoid that |
| 01:59.21 | destinal | well you can't copy paste easily |
| 02:00.29 | rwhitby | destinal: agreed |
| 02:00.42 | oc80z | yeah i had a .bat for novacom open tty:// |
| 02:00.44 | rwhitby | destinal: all I'm looking for is if the ext3 is still there or not |
| 02:00.45 | oc80z | i remember that, heh |
| 02:00.56 | destinal | rwhitby: ah |
| 02:01.02 | oc80z | i have the proxy too |
| 02:01.16 | oc80z | should i just go putty + novaproxy? |
| 02:01.24 | destinal | sure |
| 02:01.37 | egaudet_wirc | novacom -t open tty:// |
| 02:01.39 | sryan_ | does the qualcomm rfr6500 chip in the pre have a gpu like the ti omap3430? |
| 02:01.49 | rwhitby | different one |
| 02:02.03 | destinal | oc80z: basically any method you've used to get root will work here |
| 02:02.10 | destinal | if it uses novacom |
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| 02:02.31 | oc80z | *sigh* yeah |
| 02:03.33 | oc80z | root@palm-webos-device:/# |
| 02:03.47 | oc80z | when u dont have hte files, u cant catch up |
| 02:03.49 | oc80z | lets get this done eh |
| 02:03.52 | rwhitby | destinal, oc80z: lvm.static vgscan --ignorelockingfailure |
| 02:03.58 | rwhitby | destinal, oc80z: lvm.static vgchange -ay --ignorelockingfailure |
| 02:04.41 | oc80z | bewm. |
| 02:04.58 | oc80z | now active.. |
| 02:05.14 | oc80z | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.30 | oc80z | df -h still posting default mounts.. |
| 02:05.36 | rwhitby | mount from /dev/mapper/* |
| 02:05.39 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:05.49 | rwhitby | yeah, that/ |
| 02:06.50 | flare576 | If I update a script in /etc/event.d/ , do I have to restart the entire phone to have it take effect, or just Luna or Java? |
| 02:07.14 | oc80z | flare576 initctl |
| 02:07.26 | oc80z | ah hey |
| 02:07.48 | oc80z | lvchange lvdisplay lvmchange lvmsadc lvremove lvs |
| 02:07.52 | destinal | oc80z: mount |
| 02:07.53 | oc80z | lvconvert lvextend lvmdiskscan lvmsar lvrename lvscan |
| 02:07.57 | destinal | did it mount them up? |
| 02:07.57 | oc80z | lvcreate lvm lvmdump lvreduce lvresize |
| 02:07.57 | oc80z | heh |
| 02:08.07 | oc80z | control store-media store-swap store-var |
| 02:08.15 | oc80z | store-log store-root store-update |
| 02:08.15 | oc80z | ah those? |
| 02:08.15 | oc80z | ok |
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| 02:08.33 | destinal | oc80z: you want to run that for loop I posted |
| 02:08.38 | ali1 | dtzWill: i'm not sure how to reimplement glFogCoordPointer function if I'm gonna make it a part of a vec4 |
| 02:08.39 | destinal | the whole line |
| 02:09.08 | ali1 | other than making it require that the fog coords are right after the normal coords in whatever array they're passing |
| 02:11.06 | destinal | oc80z: still with us? |
| 02:11.41 | oc80z | so ah |
| 02:12.26 | destinal | oc80z: the suspense is killing me :) |
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| 02:12.31 | oc80z | media .. |
| 02:12.33 | rwhitby | oc80z: if the mounted dirs are empty, the wipe worked. if not, then your data may still be there |
| 02:12.43 | oc80z | is gone. |
| 02:12.48 | destinal | :( |
| 02:13.05 | oc80z | however. |
| 02:13.09 | destinal | oc80z: mount shows it mounted on /mnt/media but /mnt/media is empty? |
| 02:13.09 | rwhitby | destinal: no, that's good. |
| 02:13.26 | rwhitby | destinal: oc80z did a remote wipe |
| 02:13.26 | oc80z | root@palm-webos-device:/mnt# cat media/.palm/.cryptofs |
| 02:13.26 | oc80z | [CryptoFS] |
| 02:13.28 | destinal | rwhitby: oh ok |
| 02:13.28 | oc80z | cipher=BLOWFISH |
| 02:13.32 | oc80z | md=MD5 |
| 02:13.32 | oc80z | blocksize=4096 |
| 02:13.32 | oc80z | salts=1 |
| 02:13.39 | dtzWill | ali1: hmmmmm. can you push whatever test case you're having that's hitting this? I have an idea but wanna try it. |
| 02:13.46 | oc80z | but hey |
| 02:13.48 | destinal | oc80z: ah, do a df -k |
| 02:13.56 | rwhitby | oc80z: and directories under ./palm ? |
| 02:14.08 | oc80z | store-media 6.7G 96.0k 6.7G 0% /mnt/media |
| 02:14.19 | ali1 | dtzWill: one sec |
| 02:14.27 | destinal | oc80z: ok, it's clean then |
| 02:14.56 | ali1 | ali1: well its not using glFogCoordPointer or anything fancy like that |
| 02:15.02 | oc80z | root@palm-webos-device:/mnt/root/home/httpd# |
| 02:15.17 | Templarian | rwhitby: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6956/sdkpluginsm.png (still have to move his eyes aroundand and tons of small tweaks, but general idea). |
| 02:15.18 | oc80z | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.23 | ali1 | the problem is with the entire system as the guy put down MultiTex4 in index 8 for attributes |
| 02:15.27 | oc80z | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.37 | oc80z | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:15.43 | oc80z | heh |
| 02:15.48 | oc80z | THANKS pplz. |
| 02:15.48 | oc80z | :D |
| 02:16.10 | destinal | oc80z: ah, did you get what you were looking for then? |
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| 02:16.36 | oc80z | whats weird rw.. |
| 02:16.46 | oc80z | is the .palm file in /mnt/media/.palm |
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| 02:16.47 | PuffTheMagic | Templarian: what is that for? |
| 02:17.02 | Templarian | PuffTheMagic: something rwhitby has me working on. |
| 02:17.03 | oc80z | destinal nothing taht was evil was found :>) |
| 02:17.03 | oc80z | er... >:) |
| 02:17.06 | oc80z | u can see ive had along day at work ;/ |
| 02:17.07 | destinal | oc80z: it means the cryptofs was probably recreated |
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| 02:17.22 | destinal | which is the .palm dir |
| 02:17.49 | destinal | oc80z: if you had anything in root's home dir it will be in /var/home/root |
| 02:17.54 | destinal | err /mnt/var/home/root |
| 02:18.09 | destinal | check to see if var is still there? |
| 02:19.28 | rwhitby | yeah, it's important to know if only /media/internal is wiped or if /home/root/.ssh/... is also wiped |
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| 02:19.55 | dtzWill | ali1: i think that we should be able to keep our own normal+fog structure, when they call either we copy them into the right spots, and call attribpointer there (the attrib pointer will be the same for both since same data). |
| 02:20.13 | oc80z | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Nov 9 2009 root -> /var/home/root |
| 02:20.29 | destinal | oc80z: but it's /mnt/var/home/root currently |
| 02:20.29 | oc80z | mnt var wont wont i think.. |
| 02:20.33 | dtzWill | ali1: hmm an example that this fails on would be useful. how does this guy write this without any kinda tests? then again no svn commit logs or comments haha. o_O. |
| 02:20.38 | Templarian | rwhitby: is that the direction you were thinking or something else? |
| 02:20.50 | destinal | oc80z: the symlink is wrong in this case |
| 02:20.55 | rwhitby | Templarian: what's the cable represent? |
| 02:21.08 | oc80z | mount: mounting store-var on /mnt/var/ failed: Invalid argument |
| 02:21.16 | dtzWill | ali1: too bad he probably won't be interested in the patch if this works; he targets pandora and presumably it allows for more attributes |
| 02:21.22 | ali1 | dtzWill: maybe he will shed some light but i think he just over looked it |
| 02:21.30 | oc80z | how can i mount var eh? |
| 02:21.31 | ali1 | i doubt that it does |
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| 02:22.05 | Templarian | rwhitby: trying to show the internals thing, was the only way i could think. |
| 02:22.14 | Templarian | of |
| 02:22.28 | rwhitby | Templarian: I like it |
| 02:22.40 | egaudet-wirc | what |
| 02:22.47 | rwhitby | http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6956/sdkpluginsm.png |
| 02:22.51 | oc80z | whats all the encryption stuf here |
| 02:22.59 | oc80z | these static bins |
| 02:23.06 | oc80z | the libcrypt.so's |
| 02:23.14 | rwhitby | used by openssl |
| 02:23.18 | egaudet-wirc | nice |
| 02:23.20 | rwhitby | big libs |
| 02:23.21 | oc80z | when? |
| 02:23.37 | rwhitby | oc80z: app cat cert checking for one thing |
| 02:23.37 | oc80z | sure, for palm.com:/profile |
| 02:23.37 | oc80z | no? |
| 02:23.38 | oc80z | ofc right. |
| 02:23.45 | oc80z | solid |
| 02:23.52 | destinal | oc80z: let's see how thoroughly they wiped /var |
| 02:23.58 | oc80z | lets mount /var :/ |
| 02:24.10 | destinal | oc80z: it was in the for loop I sent |
| 02:24.15 | rwhitby | mount -t ext2 /dev/mapper/store-var /mnt/var |
| 02:24.16 | destinal | if it failed to mount it may not be a valid fs |
| 02:24.41 | oc80z | Google's catalog had a malicious app uploaded and passed by android staff, stole bank info |
| 02:24.41 | dtzWill | ali1: my proposed fix sounds like it would work? see anything wrong with it? else i'll go make it happen. |
| 02:24.41 | oc80z | thanks |
| 02:24.41 | oc80z | what is mount defaulting to mount? |
| 02:24.43 | destinal | mine mounted fine, for reference |
| 02:24.47 | Templarian | Okay, I'll try and get all the colours right and link it again later. |
| 02:24.52 | rwhitby | destinal: you had an /etc/fstab |
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| 02:25.02 | destinal | rwhitby: not for these |
| 02:25.07 | rwhitby | destinal: oh, right |
| 02:25.08 | oc80z | not i |
| 02:25.34 | destinal | rwhitby: I suspec it damaged his /var on purpose |
| 02:25.34 | destinal | s/suspec/suspect/ |
| 02:25.35 | rwhitby | oc80z: yeah, I pasted that android link in here |
| 02:25.35 | sampson | did someone break their pre |
| 02:25.46 | rwhitby | sampson: examining the result of remote wipe |
| 02:25.55 | oc80z | break cant break |
| 02:25.58 | destinal | oc80z: did you try that mount -t ext2 /dev/mapper/store-var /mnt/var |
| 02:26.05 | sampson | how did the phone get remote wiped? |
| 02:26.05 | oc80z | er, WebOS cant break. |
| 02:26.10 | sampson | stop stealing phones :P |
| 02:26.12 | oc80z | palm.com :P |
| 02:26.22 | oc80z | yes destinal |
| 02:26.22 | sampson | why did they do that? |
| 02:26.27 | destinal | oc80z: what error? |
| 02:26.28 | rwhitby | sampson: you can wipe your own |
| 02:26.30 | ali1 | dtzWill: one thing i'm not sure is how do you know how many elements to copy over when they call FogCoordPointer? |
| 02:26.33 | sampson | orly |
| 02:26.33 | oc80z | invalid arguments. |
| 02:26.36 | rwhitby | sampson: good thing to do if you loose it |
| 02:26.45 | sampson | but can you doctor it back to normal then? |
| 02:26.49 | oc80z | ofc. |
| 02:26.52 | rwhitby | or lose it even ;-) |
| 02:26.59 | rwhitby | sampson: yes |
| 02:27.00 | oc80z | i found the guy who stole it |
| 02:27.00 | ali1 | dtzWill: do we restructure the array they would be passing in? |
| 02:27.01 | oc80z | yeah it is great |
| 02:27.11 | destinal | rwhitby: even though it's ext3 it should mount with ext2? |
| 02:27.20 | rwhitby | destinal: should do |
| 02:27.26 | rwhitby | or use ext3 |
| 02:27.39 | destinal | oc80z: mount -t ext3 /dev/mapper/store-var /mnt/var |
| 02:27.49 | destinal | this image may not have ext2 support actually :) |
| 02:28.02 | oc80z | negative. |
| 02:28.17 | destinal | oc80z: mount | grep var |
| 02:28.23 | destinal | nothing? |
| 02:28.26 | oc80z | been there, nada. |
| 02:28.45 | oc80z | but |
| 02:28.47 | oc80z | lvm.statidc help |
| 02:28.53 | sampson | what happens when you do lvm and then lvscan ? |
| 02:28.53 | dtzWill | ali1: hmm. this is a bit more complicated than i thought. but yes i suppose i am suggesting we restructure it, but that is not the best. hmm. |
| 02:29.03 | sampson | you should see /dev/store/var |
| 02:29.08 | sampson | i'm betting it toasted the lvm |
| 02:29.09 | rwhitby | sampson: done all that |
| 02:29.14 | destinal | oc80z: try fsck.ext3 /dev/mapper/store-var |
| 02:29.31 | rwhitby | sampson: we already have the other partitions mounted, now checking for /var |
| 02:29.37 | ali1 | dtzWill: and i'd think we would need to restructure it whenever glDrawArrays/Elements is called, because thats where its being read |
| 02:29.43 | ali1 | i think |
| 02:29.46 | destinal | rwhitby: for reference this is unique to his pre, mine mounted it up fine |
| 02:29.55 | destinal | so probably related to wipe |
| 02:30.09 | sampson | i would be pretty surprised if it didn't toast /var |
| 02:31.03 | oc80z | nah i dont want to fsck it |
| 02:31.03 | oc80z | not yet |
| 02:31.14 | destinal | oc80z: ? |
| 02:31.14 | oc80z | root@palm-webos-device:/dev/mapper# lvm.static help |
| 02:31.14 | oc80z | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.22 | oc80z | heres my lvm commands |
| 02:31.24 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.25 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.25 | dtzWill | ali1: ah you mean the glAttribPointer calls just tell it where to fidn the data; conceivably they change it. bah. |
| 02:31.26 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.37 | destinal | rwhitby: yup that would be pretty thorough lol |
| 02:31.41 | rwhitby | destinal: it's all in /etc/init.d/mountall.sh |
| 02:31.52 | ali1 | dtzWill: yup yup |
| 02:32.21 | sampson | oh rdp i fucking hate you |
| 02:32.21 | destinal | rwhitby: though it could theoretically be recovered maybe if only wiped once with zeroes, not by anything on the device itself |
| 02:32.23 | dtzWill | ali1: yeah, we just restructure it in glDraw*. for a second i thought you could call glNormalPointer multiple times with different data mkaing this lame but since you can't (or if you do it replaces the pointer) |
| 02:32.25 | rwhitby | oc80z: can you confirm that it does not wipe rootfs ? |
| 02:32.26 | oc80z | i dont want ot fsck the drive yet |
| 02:32.36 | dtzWill | ali1: that sounds like it would work just fine. |
| 02:32.45 | destinal | oc80z: fsck isn't destructive necessarily |
| 02:32.49 | rwhitby | oc80z: e.g. is there still stuff in /mnt/root/etc ? |
| 02:32.51 | destinal | but besides it's dead |
| 02:33.16 | oc80z | optware-dropbear |
| 02:33.20 | destinal | oc80z: he said rootfs still had stuff on it |
| 02:33.20 | oc80z | :| |
| 02:33.29 | dtzWill | oooo evas is checked in? :D |
| 02:33.41 | destinal | err rwhitby ^^ |
| 02:33.49 | mobgod | rod u have a min >? |
| 02:33.50 | oc80z | net.vertigostudios.ledmanager |
| 02:33.57 | oc80z | this is true |
| 02:34.07 | rwhitby | destinal: ok, so we need to be real careful that no sensitive data goes outside of /var or /media/internal |
| 02:34.16 | oc80z | this is true. |
| 02:34.18 | destinal | rwhitby: does it dd media internal or just mkfs it? |
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| 02:34.26 | rwhitby | destinal: dd /dev/zero to both |
| 02:34.26 | oc80z | lets continue to see |
| 02:34.30 | destinal | rwhitby: ok |
| 02:34.42 | destinal | rwhitby: so how could he mount /media/internal and see /media/internal.palm? |
| 02:34.55 | egaudet-wirc | what are you guys doing |
| 02:35.12 | destinal | rwhitby: that doesn't sound like a dd dev zero |
| 02:35.28 | oc80z | store-media 6.7G 96.0k 6.7G 0% /mnt/media |
| 02:35.33 | destinal | unless if mkfs's again after |
| 02:35.35 | rwhitby | destinal: it does a mkfs after |
| 02:35.41 | ali1 | dtzWill: i pushed the testgl program anyways |
| 02:35.42 | destinal | kk |
| 02:35.50 | destinal | rwhitby: probably because doctor doesn't mkfs it anymore |
| 02:35.54 | mobgod | sup destinal |
| 02:35.54 | oc80z | that just has the encryption arguments.. for encrypting the /internal/media .palm folder.. |
| 02:35.59 | destinal | it wants to leave it in a good state |
| 02:36.05 | rwhitby | mobgod: what can I help you with? |
| 02:36.11 | destinal | mobgod: hey |
| 02:36.27 | mobgod | rwhitby nada dude i want to help i have a offer |
| 02:36.30 | mobgod | thats all |
| 02:36.56 | rwhitby | mobgod: /msg me baby |
| 02:37.04 | mobgod | FAT PIPE I WILL TAKE CARE OFF |
| 02:37.11 | destinal | :) |
| 02:37.21 | bpadalino | what did i walk into?! |
| 02:37.37 | mobgod | bpadalino PIPE LINE DUDE |
| 02:37.37 | ali1 | wutttt |
| 02:37.43 | ali1 | | |
| 02:37.56 | destinal | oc80z: : well it was cool to confirm that everything on the remote wipe works as one would hope |
| 02:38.07 | destinal | and that root fs is not wiped |
| 02:38.23 | rwhitby | oc80z: thanks heaps for doing that |
| 02:38.37 | dtzWill | ali1: ?? |
| 02:38.45 | bpadalino | it's a fat pipe |
| 02:38.57 | oc80z | thanks to you |
| 02:39.00 | oc80z | too |
| 02:39.00 | oc80z | :) |
| 02:39.10 | Toaster89 | why is it on the sdk the lib's are in usr/lib where as on the pre they are in usr/local/lib? There is no usr/local/lib directory in the sdk. |
| 02:39.12 | ali1 | dtzWill: the program i was trying to work with wesgl and noticed the vertex attribute problems |
| 02:39.35 | dtzWill | ali1: oh understood, sorry i thought the 'wuttttt' was at me sorry haha |
| 02:39.35 | bpadalino | fat pipe line .. i have been informed |
| 02:39.43 | oc80z | just ls -ltaR |
| 02:39.43 | destinal | oc80z: the extra benefit of you having done this is I got to walk through it too and now I know how to build a pre totally from scratch, recover partition 1, etc |
| 02:39.49 | bpadalino | hopefully a conga line comes next |
| 02:40.05 | ali1 | dtzWill: oh hah |
| 02:40.34 | oc80z | sure yeah its all about the lvm man |
| 02:40.43 | oc80z | u know, on that note.. |
| 02:41.18 | oc80z | *sigh* linux is bad ass. |
| 02:41.45 | destinal | bpadalino: so we always knew you could go completely up from bare metal, now we know exactly how. usb boot bootie, novacom boot the installer image, novaterm to it, and lay down whatever you need |
| 02:42.12 | bpadalino | oh neat ... |
| 02:42.35 | bpadalino | so we know how to load up bootie from DFU mode or whatever it is ? |
| 02:42.46 | destinal | bpadalino: no, this is omapboot |
| 02:42.52 | bpadalino | oh, i see |
| 02:42.58 | destinal | but again, it's all you need |
| 02:43.10 | bpadalino | well if that's all .. i'll quit my job! |
| 02:43.14 | dtzWill | ali1: hey so why do you think this is pushing the attribute limit? b/c it seems to fail in the same why my test did--error 0x501 and nothing rendered. |
| 02:43.16 | destinal | bpadalino: lol |
| 02:43.22 | destinal | bpadalino: well there are a lot of details |
| 02:43.29 | destinal | bpadalino: first one should have a backup of p1 |
| 02:43.41 | rwhitby | Toaster89: the mapping does that - I'm thinking of adding the ../local/.. into the path, jut to stop confusion |
| 02:43.45 | destinal | bpadalino: then there are partitions and LVM to set up |
| 02:43.52 | destinal | bpadalino: then you can doctor |
| 02:43.52 | ali1 | dtzWill: its always pushing the attribute limit, with any program |
| 02:43.55 | bpadalino | yeah, that was a pretty important part .. those tables |
| 02:43.56 | Toaster89 | rwhitby ooh I see thanks for the info :) |
| 02:44.26 | ali1 | dtzWill: everytime wesgl is initialized, it tries to mess with a vertex attribute at index 8, implying that there are 9 vertex attributes available |
| 02:44.34 | destinal | bpadalino: I wish I had a spare pre that I could back up and totally rebuild from a flash drive full of zeros |
| 02:44.38 | dtzWill | ali1: oh okay |
| 02:44.44 | destinal | I'm _not_ testing on my real phone |
| 02:44.45 | dBsooner | rwhitby: can you pastebin me a tail of the apache error_log of the Trac? |
| 02:44.47 | dtzWill | ali1: that makes lots of sense |
| 02:44.51 | ali1 | dtzWill: of course it still works because the shader still links |
| 02:44.52 | bpadalino | destinal: check CL for a cheapie ? |
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| 02:45.50 | destinal | bpadalino: I'll start looking around for a dev spare |
| 02:46.10 | destinal | bpadalino: you know this means we could upgrade our flash size, if we could manage to resolder BGA |
| 02:46.41 | flare576 | Well all, thanks for the help. Every time I come in here confused I leave a little more educated :) |
| 02:46.41 | bpadalino | isn't it PoP in the pre ? |
| 02:47.50 | bpadalino | oh, it isn't .. it's a samsung flash with the sdram as a pop |
| 02:47.51 | bpadalino | neat |
| 02:48.42 | destinal | I think I read it was BGA though, which is decidedly non-trivial for me anyway |
| 02:49.07 | destinal | could be done with hot air? |
| 02:49.15 | bpadalino | i've got access to a nice BGA rework station with an xray machine |
| 02:49.31 | destinal | bpadalino: oooh. I can see a plan coming together here |
| 02:49.36 | bpadalino | yeah, hot air can do it .. hot air and a little suction action |
| 02:49.53 | oc80z | ok |
| 02:49.56 | dtzWill | ali1: does the pre even have > 2 texture units? |
| 02:49.59 | bpadalino | there are those neat systems that have a camera on the part, and a camera on the boar .. you line it up .. |
| 02:50.10 | bpadalino | and say "Go!" |
| 02:50.10 | bpadalino | and it places the part .. very nice |
| 02:51.20 | oc80z | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:53.43 | oc80z | *sigh* |
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| 02:54.35 | oc80z | what new kernel mods are you going to create |
| 02:55.19 | oc80z | ;] |
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| 02:56.55 | oc80z | Joplin-selinux |
| 02:56.56 | oc80z | haha |
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| 02:59.55 | ali1 | dtzWill: hmm, not sure? |
| 02:59.55 | oc80z | yeah note the vol+usb is required after a remote |
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| 03:02.41 | rwhitby | oc80z: yeah, recovery mode |
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| 03:03.07 | dBsooner | egaudet_wirc: ping |
| 03:04.20 | dBsooner | egaudet: ping |
| 03:04.28 | egaudet | ping pong |
| 03:04.30 | dBsooner | good |
| 03:04.37 | dBsooner | Jason wants to talk to you. :) |
| 03:04.43 | dBsooner | AUPT yo |
| 03:04.44 | |Jason8| | I do? |
| 03:04.46 | |Jason8| | :P |
| 03:04.58 | dBsooner | Nah, you're Freddy |Jason8| |
| 03:05.03 | egaudet | AUPT is a magical being with super powers |
| 03:05.16 | dBsooner | Yes.. but he wants to know the step by step of these magical powers |
| 03:05.43 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 03:05.48 | dBsooner | wait! |
| 03:06.00 | dBsooner | rwhitby stay... pastebin me that log so i can try to figure out what broke. |
| 03:06.08 | dBsooner | err. please. |
| 03:07.03 | Abyssul | How do you set HTML mode in Logmein.com for the Pre? |
| 03:07.36 | rwhitby | dBsooner: FYI: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/webos-patches/ <- don't break it again |
| 03:07.49 | dBsooner | what did I do? |
| 03:08.09 | dBsooner | Wait, I know what I did.. I just wanted to know WHAT it did. |
| 03:08.24 | dBsooner | I clicked the wrong upload file.. but I wanted to know what it did on the backend to make it go boom. |
| 03:08.27 | Templarian | http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6956/sdkpluginsm.png Guys does tux's eyes look okay? |
| 03:08.47 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: ping |
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| 03:10.42 | psykoz | So Palm said 1.4 is coming february and that flash beta will be out before that. Does this mean 1.4 is like last day of february and flash beta is out late this month, or do we think it'll hit any day now? |
| 03:10.56 | destinal | Templarian: haha is he stripping the cord on the power plug that plugs into the SDK? |
| 03:11.25 | psykoz | seems like Palm would like to get 1.4 out as soon as possible near verizon release date (?) |
| 03:11.31 | Templarian | destinal: Sure, needed a way to convey it was internals other than tux. |
| 03:11.33 | Toaster89 | How do I delete contacts that have been added by AIM? |
| 03:11.46 | psykoz | toaster89, delete them from AIM :) |
| 03:11.46 | Toaster89 | I deleted them in AIM but they wont delete off my contacts on my pre.. |
| 03:11.49 | mobgod|away | Toaster89 delete aim |
| 03:11.49 | mobgod|away | lol |
| 03:11.49 | destinal | Templarian: I like it |
| 03:11.55 | psykoz | Toaster, resync |
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| 03:11.59 | Toaster89 | k |
| 03:12.02 | Templarian | thanks :) |
| 03:12.13 | mobgod|away | Templarian suo buddy |
| 03:12.16 | psykoz | Toaster, err wait you can't sync aim, delete aim and then reenter your credentials |
| 03:12.37 | mobgod|away | sup* |
| 03:12.37 | Toaster89 | ok |
| 03:12.58 | mobgod|away | i'm out l8r all |
| 03:13.18 | Templarian | mobgod|away: I don't know what suo is. |
| 03:13.38 | Templarian | oh, nvm didn't scroll all the way down was looking at something above. |
| 03:13.50 | etx__ | psykoz: I'm pretty sure they said the flash beta requires 1.4 |
| 03:14.17 | psykoz | etx__, I thought they said Flash will be out out in 1.4 and that beta will be available soon (?) |
| 03:14.20 | Toaster89 | etx I dont know about that |
| 03:14.26 | Toaster89 | yeah they said beta soon |
| 03:14.28 | Toaster89 | flash out in 1.4 |
| 03:14.54 | etx__ | From the way they worded it I thought it required 1.4, lemme go check the video |
| 03:14.55 | ali1 | dtzWill: dang you're right, its 2 |
| 03:15.16 | dtzWill | ali1: yeah. i think easy solution is just to rip out the other texture bindings, since we don't need them anyway. |
| 03:15.28 | dtzWill | ali1: doing that now. although i was hoping it was three, instead of the 4 it wants. |
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| 03:16.03 | ali1 | more attributes for other things at least |
| 03:16.13 | ali1 | if there are other things i dunno |
| 03:16.16 | dtzWill | ali1: although.. does that mean only 2 textures? maybe i'm an opengl nub but it seems rather limiting to only have 2 textures on your scene? or am i missing something? o_O |
| 03:16.47 | ali1 | dtzWill: theres 2 vertex texture units so... |
| 03:16.48 | ali1 | hmm |
| 03:17.11 | ali1 | can't you combine two textures into one, get the next texture, combine that and so on? |
| 03:17.17 | ali1 | or is that impossible? |
| 03:17.46 | dtzWill | i really don't know. sure sounds possible to me. but imagine a 3d room or something--you'd wanna just make quads for each surface and have gl do it's thing... wouldn't you? |
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| 03:18.10 | dtzWill | maybe programs are smart and have one large 'map' texture uploaded and each surface just uses a subsection of that. |
| 03:18.44 | dtzWill | i dont' really know :/ even the 4 he wrote this 4 seems painfully limiting if texture counts are abused the way i assumed they were :) |
| 03:18.55 | psykoz | 11:35: Pre customers can get beta "soon" |
| 03:18.57 | psykoz | 11:35: from app catalog |
| 03:19.22 | etx__ | psykoz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn6oNKVd29g&feature=player_embedded |
| 03:19.27 | etx__ | @ 48 min in |
| 03:19.36 | psykoz | 11:48: Real flash, flash 10, available in app catalog soon |
| 03:19.38 | psykoz | 11:48: with work with any pre with webOS 1.4 |
| 03:19.41 | ali1 | dtzWill: i'm even more clueless than you as i'm learning opengl as i go along |
| 03:19.48 | etx__ | John says it will be available for 1.4 |
| 03:19.50 | etx__ | yeah |
| 03:20.08 | psykoz | they say "real flash" will be, but earlier say Pre customers can get beta "soon" from app catalog |
| 03:20.14 | ali1 | dtzWill: I'm going to query up all the GL_MAX stuff for easy reference |
| 03:20.18 | etx__ | which sucks, I'm looking forward to it |
| 03:20.20 | dtzWill | ali1: glad i fooled you--i started learning opengl.. a week ago? haha. so i think we're in the same boat :) |
| 03:20.26 | psykoz | it's kinda a tough one to decipher what they mean |
| 03:20.27 | etx__ | well i hope its sooner for sure |
| 03:20.29 | etx__ | yeah |
| 03:20.32 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: ping |
| 03:20.50 | dtzWill | ali1: that would be great. if you want, wiki it up else send it to me and i'll do it. that's information people should have |
| 03:20.56 | ali1 | yeah |
| 03:20.59 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: pong |
| 03:21.04 | dBsooner | woohoo! |
| 03:21.06 | DrFunk | PuffTheMagic: sup |
| 03:21.13 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: hey |
| 03:21.20 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: Do you have the python egg for IniAdminPlugin? |
| 03:21.20 | PuffTheMagic | DrFunk: taking a break from packing |
| 03:21.46 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: enterminus already supports "resizing" so it will be really easy to support orientation changes |
| 03:21.46 | DrFunk | PuffTheMagic: packing what ? |
| 03:21.53 | PuffTheMagic | DrFunk: im moving |
| 03:21.59 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: awesome |
| 03:22.02 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: make it your self it easy |
| 03:22.19 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: and i thinki found a font thats a little nicer than default |
| 03:22.30 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: easier if you already had it of 0.11.. ;) |
| 03:22.33 | DrFunk | PuffTheMagic: nice somewere warm ? |
| 03:22.38 | PuffTheMagic | DrFunk: nope |
| 03:22.47 | PuffTheMagic | DrFunk: from one side of NY state to the other |
| 03:22.56 | PuffTheMagic | from Buffalo to Troy (Albany) |
| 03:23.06 | DrFunk | PuffTheMagic: fuck |
| 03:23.08 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: making eggs is easy |
| 03:23.28 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: just use Python2.5 i believe |
| 03:23.33 | DrFunk | PuffTheMagic: we need to get up I'm in CT |
| 03:23.39 | dBsooner | ok |
| 03:24.04 | DrFunk | dBsooner: never got a tweet back from u |
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| 03:25.10 | DrFunk | owell I'll talk to you people later going to watch a movie with the old ladt |
| 03:25.13 | DrFunk | lady * |
| 03:26.34 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: i think i have the egg |
| 03:26.58 | PuffTheMagic | yep i do |
| 03:27.01 | dBsooner | Sweet! |
| 03:27.05 | dBsooner | gimme |
| 03:27.06 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: but i think you should learn to make eggs |
| 03:27.09 | dBsooner | fine |
| 03:27.13 | PuffTheMagic | so idk if i am gonna hand it over |
| 03:27.15 | PuffTheMagic | http://omploader.org/vMzhwZQ |
| 03:27.19 | dBsooner | makes eeggg |
| 03:27.22 | PuffTheMagic | only freebe |
| 03:27.30 | PuffTheMagic | IniAdmin-0.2-py2.5.egg |
| 03:27.45 | dBsooner | this is for 0.2.. but works for 0.11? |
| 03:27.48 | dBsooner | :D |
| 03:28.20 | PuffTheMagic | no |
| 03:28.23 | PuffTheMagic | its version 0.2 |
| 03:28.35 | PuffTheMagic | which is works with what we run |
| 03:28.42 | dBsooner | all that matters.. |
| 03:28.47 | dBsooner | don't wanna break Trac again. |
| 03:28.51 | dBsooner | rwhitby would shoot me |
| 03:28.59 | PuffTheMagic | what did you do? |
| 03:29.09 | dBsooner | I had an old egg.. v 0.1 |
| 03:29.17 | dBsooner | but it was on my desktop |
| 03:29.26 | dBsooner | I accidentally clicked setup.py instead of the egg |
| 03:29.31 | dBsooner | when I uploaded |
| 03:29.31 | ali1 | dtzWill: hold on |
| 03:29.39 | dtzWill | ali1: holding :) |
| 03:29.45 | ali1 | dtzWill: i think i gave you the wrong info |
| 03:29.48 | dBsooner | so caused Trac to fail with error 500 |
| 03:30.04 | ali1 | it might be 8 vertex texture units |
| 03:30.15 | dtzWill | ali1: !! haha. that's a lot better :) |
| 03:30.32 | ali1 | actually i'm pretty sure it is argh |
| 03:30.41 | ali1 | i should make an actual program than trying to use gdb |
| 03:30.42 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: Do you edit the GitConnector in the trac.ini? |
| 03:30.53 | PuffTheMagic | i disabled all that shit |
| 03:30.57 | dtzWill | ali1: but we still think we're limited to 8 attributes? |
| 03:31.10 | ali1 | let me check on that one more time |
| 03:31.12 | dtzWill | ali1: LOL. well a program works too :P |
| 03:31.41 | ali1 | dtzWill: it returns 8 |
| 03:33.53 | psykoz | *grins* |
| 03:33.57 | psykoz | you can spit and break trac |
| 03:34.17 | psykoz | infact, frickin worst software dependency ever lined up in it ;) |
| 03:34.26 | psykoz | software dependencies* |
| 03:35.00 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: ping |
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| 03:47.00 | ali1 | dtzWill: got them |
| 03:47.22 | ali1 | not sure all of them but most of them |
| 03:48.19 | ali1 | dtzWill: is sending to the email you've specified in GIT fine? |
| 03:49.36 | JMyaDaGod | I just doctor my phone where is the alpha preware at again? |
| 03:51.14 | Robi_ | http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=ryan.gahl.1plus1equals2 |
| 03:54.02 | Abyssul | Robi_, that looks nice |
| 03:54.02 | rwhitby | Requires webOS 1.3.5 ? |
| 03:54.14 | Abyssul | Wish it was more visually appealing though |
| 03:54.41 | JMyaDaGod | rwhitby: i cant remember where i got the alpha preware at can u lead me in right direction? |
| 03:54.50 | rwhitby | JMyaDaGod: last three lines on the wiki page |
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| 03:55.18 | Templarian | lol, guys if someone can code it I will make an animated tux that touches two wires and the backlight fades in and out. |
| 03:55.18 | Abyssul | The app catalog has a beta program? wtf? |
| 03:55.49 | windzilla | whoa all green and odd, when did this happen |
| 03:55.49 | rwhitby | Abyssul: yep, the feed is in alpha Preware. |
| 03:56.00 | windzilla | wow! |
| 03:56.03 | JMyaDaGod | rwitby: ok thanks also for the freetether do i have to install all 3 ipk on testing feed? |
| 03:56.19 | rwhitby | JMyaDaGod: what's the wiki page say? |
| 03:57.08 | JMyaDaGod | rwhitby: nothing on freetether wiki is there? |
| 03:57.33 | Abyssul | Gimme?!?! :) |
| 03:57.37 | rwhitby | JMyaDaGod: guess not. ask PuffTheMagic then |
| 03:57.41 | JMyaDaGod | lol ok thanks |
| 03:57.53 | rwhitby | uses built-in bluetooth tethering on 1.3.5.2 |
| 03:58.19 | JMyaDaGod | hmmm u suck....can u doctor a us pre with that? |
| 03:58.34 | rwhitby | have you tried it on 1.3.5.1 ? |
| 03:58.55 | JMyaDaGod | i wouldnt know where to start to try it |
| 03:59.16 | gkatsev | oh, weird, i opened up the updates app now it gives me 1.3.5.1 feature highlights |
| 04:04.42 | Robi_ | rwhitby: is the bit.ly/dDEMO link not good enough? |
| 04:05.46 | Robi_ | rwhitby: I now have a spare phone until I send it back, anything that needs testing? |
| 04:10.44 | Robi_ | rwhitby: the 1.3.5 is not a req, ryan just picked it ;-/ |
| 04:12.55 | JMyaDaGod | Robi_ :now we need a patch to hide calculator |
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| 04:13.19 | Robi_ | that's cake |
| 04:13.54 | psykoz | I'm going to write a calculator app called 2+2=5 |
| 04:14.01 | psykoz | yeah take that budy! |
| 04:14.02 | psykoz | buddy! |
| 04:14.03 | psykoz | ;) |
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| 04:14.25 | Robi_ | i was thinking the same |
| 04:14.41 | Robi_ | overly large values of 2 baby! |
| 04:15.05 | JMyaDaGod | its not downloading.....ur app |
| 04:15.19 | Robi_ | did for me |
| 04:15.26 | psykoz | worked fine for me |
| 04:15.31 | psykoz | poking around with it at the moment |
| 04:15.41 | Robi_ | how does one browse all beta apps is the question |
| 04:15.59 | JMyaDaGod | maybe its because its trying to restore all my other apps i just doctored |
| 04:16.32 | psykoz | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site:developer.palm.com+webChannel/&aq=f&oq=&aqi= |
| 04:16.43 | psykoz | looks like they've had this for a few other apps |
| 04:17.16 | JMyaDaGod | does that link work? |
| 04:17.36 | psykoz | interesting, watch this: |
| 04:17.45 | psykoz | http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.glitchtechscience.checkbookbeta (working url) |
| 04:18.21 | JMyaDaGod | i couldnt download because it was restoring need for speed |
| 04:18.22 | psykoz | http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.noapp (obviously a broken url/non-existant app) |
| 04:18.53 | Robi_ | empty bag |
| 04:19.06 | psykoz | Nevermind thing I was trying to show I mis entered,, nevermind my ramblings |
| 04:19.14 | Robi_ | man the new phone I just plgged in still has the huge ? on screen flull blast |
| 04:19.37 | Abyssul | Wish the checkbook app automatically grabbed data from your bank website |
| 04:19.43 | Robi_ | and I dont like how the power button doesn't click like my old phone!! |
| 04:21.46 | JMyaDaGod | yea my boys power button is like a chore |
| 04:22.08 | psykoz | abyssul, mint.com ;> |
| 04:24.23 | Robi_ | ya mint is good |
| 04:24.29 | Robi_ | never use it ;-/ |
| 04:25.05 | JMyaDaGod | Robi_ how about vibrate patch does it work for ur calc? |
| 04:25.13 | Toaster89 | does the pre still vib when you use the silance switch? |
| 04:25.20 | dBsooner | rwhitby: how do I add the Git browser to the Trac? |
| 04:25.21 | Robi_ | i dont do vibrate patches |
| 04:25.23 | Robi_ | waste of batt |
| 04:26.25 | psykoz | so you can't really browse webChannel directly |
| 04:26.31 | psykoz | but just fyi: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1844&Itemid=322 |
| 04:26.39 | psykoz | neat thing is they give you the rss feeds for their beta apps |
| 04:27.09 | psykoz | so I bet just watching that (hourly?) with wget/grep might yield instant-ish knowledge of when flashplayer hits beta |
| 04:27.34 | Robi_ | we have preRSS? |
| 04:27.45 | dBsooner | psykoz: they said the XML's are only updated at midnight |
| 04:27.51 | psykoz | ahh |
| 04:27.57 | psykoz | well then midnight it is ;> |
| 04:28.27 | dBsooner | oh wait.. the update feed is every 30 minutes |
| 04:28.29 | psykoz | just added: http://developer.palm.com/rss/B/appcatalog.rss.xml to my google reader, so I guess I'll keep an eye on it |
| 04:28.33 | Robi_ | expect RyanGahl to join soonish |
| 04:28.37 | dBsooner | and lists everything for past 48 hours from that update |
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| 04:29.55 | cryptk|werk | sup everyone |
| 04:30.02 | psykoz | well added beta apps + updates feed to my rss reader, so I'll keep an eye on it |
| 04:30.09 | Robi_ | and now that I have a replacement device my old one is working well |
| 04:30.48 | Robi_ | Update feed for beta apps: http://developer.palm.com/rss/B/appcatalog.update.rss.xml |
| 04:30.52 | Robi_ | The update feeds are updated every thirty minutes with those applications added in the 48-hour period before the feed update. |
| 04:31.10 | Robi_ | so that's the one you want not the appcatalog feed |
| 04:31.26 | JMyaDaGod | theres an app that does it also i gotta wait for phone to reboot to tell u name of it though |
| 04:31.45 | psykoz | I got the right feeds |
| 04:31.50 | psykoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.58 | psykoz | (notice the feed I pasted has /B/ in it) |
| 04:32.10 | psykoz | I'm assuming it means beta |
| 04:32.19 | psykoz | the other urls are under folder /D/ |
| 04:32.44 | JGardner | JMyaDaGod: AppScoop is the name I think |
| 04:32.54 | psykoz | It's nice they're putting out their beta channel via standard RSS feed, that's rather convenient |
| 04:33.08 | JMyaDaGod | lol phone just rebooted and was gonna type it yea appacoop |
| 04:33.18 | JMyaDaGod | appscoop* |
| 04:34.37 | JGardner | how does one get the 9.14 preware? I checked the wiki and couldn't find any info |
| 04:35.10 | Robi_ | psykoz: no, there's two sets of /B/ feeds |
| 04:35.19 | ali1 | dtzWill: you around? |
| 04:35.37 | JMyaDaGod | JGardner : last 3 lines of wiki page |
| 04:35.39 | Robi_ | JGardner: look at the bottom advanced usage |
| 04:35.43 | Robi_ | gotta use ssh |
| 04:35.47 | Robi_ | or terminal |
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| 04:36.35 | JGardner | thanks! |
| 04:37.39 | Robi_ | haha http://developer.palm.com/webChannel/index.php?packageid=com.datpiff.mobile |
| 04:37.41 | dtzWill | ali1: yep |
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| 04:39.27 | ali1 | dtzWill: i've got all the GL_MAX stuff |
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| 04:43.00 | Robi_ | love the repeat notif patches |
| 04:43.25 | Robi_ | that should so be a part of the OS |
| 04:43.39 | Robi_ | one wonders if ever they'll put those in |
| 04:44.14 | cryptk|werk | well, the nice thing about the way patches are installed through preware (wrapped in an ipk), Palm should in theory be able to see what patches people are using |
| 04:44.35 | dtzWill | ali1: wonderful, ty |
| 04:44.41 | cryptk|werk | so they could in theory see that XX% of users are using this patch... lets add it into the base OS |
| 04:44.58 | cryptk|werk | of course wether or not they do that is up to them... but in theory they could |
| 04:45.14 | Robi_ | cryptk|werk: why? just ask us, we'll give them the download stats |
| 04:45.31 | cryptk|werk | yeah, but why should they ask when they already have the data |
| 04:45.49 | psykoz | how will they already have the data (unless you mean they're profiling the ipkg database) ? |
| 04:46.00 | Robi_ | they'd have to go out and get it from everyone |
| 04:46.04 | cryptk|werk | they can see everything that is installed on the phone |
| 04:46.15 | cryptk|werk | how else does that information get backed up in the palm profile |
| 04:46.44 | Robi_ | also you can't see patches in ipkg afaik |
| 04:46.57 | Robi_ | its quilt or 'patch' |
| 04:47.00 | cryptk|werk | have you noticed that when you doctor (pre 1.3.1) the only apps reinstalled were the ones you had installed at the time of last backup, not every app you ever downloaded |
| 04:47.00 | rwhitby | psykoz: the Pre uploads lots of data to Palm's servers. Look in the rdxd directories. |
| 04:47.14 | cryptk|werk | of course that doesn't really apply now since apps stay through a doctor |
| 04:47.16 | psykoz | I'm aware, I just didn't realise they were profiling the ipkg database |
| 04:47.27 | cryptk|werk | but they can in theory see the ipk's for the patches |
| 04:47.29 | rwhitby | psykoz: in particular, they see ps -ef, ipkg list, and lots of other stuff every time something crashes on your Pre |
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| 04:48.20 | rwhitby | That's why the people pirating apps are so hilarious, cause they don't realise Palm knows exactly what they are doing. |
| 04:48.23 | Robi_ | rwhitby: too bad they can't offer support on that |
| 04:48.30 | cryptk|werk | and rwhitby, correct me if I am wrong, but when preware installs a patch it is wrapped in an ipk right? |
| 04:48.49 | cryptk|werk | so it should show up in ipkg list |
| 04:48.51 | rwhitby | Robi_: actually Palm has contacted homebrew developers to give them feedback on widespread crashes |
| 04:49.08 | Robi_ | nice |
| 04:49.23 | cryptk|werk | rwhitby: I didn't know that... that is pretty cool |
| 04:49.36 | Robi_ | rwhitby: i meant on an individual basis |
| 04:50.52 | cryptk|werk | when I did my own test of palms copy protection I noticed that any pirated apps also showed up in the app catalog under the list of installed software |
| 04:51.02 | cryptk|werk | that alone should be enough to show you that they WILL know |
| 04:51.12 | cryptk|werk | which is good motivation to not do it |
| 04:51.37 | cryptk|werk | and I am sure a future update will include a pretty robust copy protection scheme |
| 04:52.08 | cryptk|werk | there is great potential, both good and bad, with palms data polling |
| 04:52.41 | Robi_ | it can be patched |
| 04:52.55 | cryptk|werk | unless it is in a binary... |
| 04:53.06 | Robi_ | it can still be patched |
| 04:53.10 | cryptk|werk | then you would need the source code to patch it |
| 04:53.16 | Robi_ | nope |
| 04:53.33 | cryptk|werk | ok... fine... I will bite... it is much more difficult to patch without the source code |
| 04:53.53 | cryptk|werk | I know everything can be patched, even in binaries, but it comes down to is the patch worth the effort |
| 04:53.59 | Robi_ | you think all the people doing patching for apps/games have the source? |
| 04:54.11 | Robi_ | it's just a few op codes that need changing |
| 04:54.13 | cryptk|werk | read my previous statement |
| 04:54.41 | Robi_ | key is having the tool to track when and where |
| 04:55.01 | cryptk|werk | there is a difference between bypassing activation/serials for a game (small opcode change) and removing a whole subset of a binary while maintaining it's other functionality |
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| 04:55.20 | cryptk|werk | trust me, I know how it all works |
| 04:56.34 | cryptk|werk | btw, this whole conversation is for educational purposes only, lol, nobody do this kind of stuff, it is very very very bad... |
| 04:56.57 | cryptk|werk | unless you are rwhitby... cause Rod can get away with whatever he wants and Palm would love it, lol |
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| 04:57.32 | cryptk|werk | sup ali1, how has your OGLES work been coming? |
| 04:57.48 | Toaster89 | sweet orb is wroking :) |
| 04:59.01 | cryptk|werk | another project that I beta test for is coming along very nicely... |
| 04:59.13 | cryptk|werk | anyone else here heard of Mangler? |
| 05:00.42 | Robi_ | what is it |
| 05:00.51 | cryptk|werk | natice linux ventrilo client |
| 05:00.58 | cryptk|werk | s/natice/native/ |
| 05:01.16 | rbredow | Anyone here got 1.3.5.2? Would love to have the ability to bluetooth or wifi tether. |
| 05:01.26 | Robi_ | if you're gaming on linux |
| 05:01.37 | cryptk|werk | I do game on linux |
| 05:01.51 | Robi_ | obviously |
| 05:01.53 | cryptk|werk | and the game runs better than it does in windblows |
| 05:02.04 | Robi_ | which games? |
| 05:02.13 | cryptk|werk | mainly WoW |
| 05:02.46 | cryptk|werk | found out that alot of people in my guild have Palm Pre's... I pointed them all at webos-internals.org |
| 05:02.53 | Robi_ | could work on the pre |
| 05:02.54 | cryptk|werk | and preware.org |
| 05:03.12 | cryptk|werk | Robi_: what could work on the pre? WoW or Mangler? |
| 05:03.40 | Robi_ | #2 |
| 05:03.46 | Robi_ | party line |
| 05:03.59 | cryptk|werk | there is someone porting it to Android... don't know how much progress they ahve made though |
| 05:04.08 | Robi_ | whats the bw req? |
| 05:04.29 | cryptk|werk | very low |
| 05:04.42 | cryptk|werk | a phone with good signal could probably run it |
| 05:04.49 | cryptk|werk | if it were on WiFi then definitely |
| 05:04.53 | ali1_ | dtzWill: are you working on the vertex attribute stuff or did you want me to go ahead and take care of it? |
| 05:05.09 | rwhitby | cryptk|werk: just for clarification, I have paid for every paid app on my Pre |
| 05:05.27 | rwhitby | I know you were probably joking, but this stuff is publicly logged. |
| 05:05.30 | cryptk|werk | rwhitby: So have I... I did a quick test, but that is jsut what it was... a test |
| 05:05.51 | cryptk|werk | and every app on my phone is a free app (Except NFS which is paid for) |
| 05:06.00 | cryptk|werk | (pair for by me, lol) |
| 05:06.08 | cryptk|werk | s/pair/paid/ |
| 05:06.32 | CoolMatty | I was expecting from rwhitby: "I didn't pay for my paid apps cause I made them all, lol!" |
| 05:06.41 | cryptk|werk | I looked through NFS and didn't even see a serial number in there or anything, I was kinda amazed |
| 05:06.44 | dtzWill | ali1_: either is okay. something else came up that i was taking care of, but that should be done now. i'll give it a look |
| 05:07.02 | cryptk|werk | rwhitby: have you ever put out a paid for app? |
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| 05:07.11 | ali1_ | dtzWill: alright |
| 05:07.50 | cryptk|werk | ali1_: dtzWill: I have no clue what you guys are working on, but it seems like it is OGLES related... and it seems like you are making progress... so two thumbs up from me! |
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| 05:08.22 | RyanGahl | what's up all |
| 05:08.30 | Robi_ | odd palm shipped me a phone with no battery, yet it's on the packing list |
| 05:08.39 | cryptk|werk | btw, if anyone wanted to port Mangler over to the pre, I am willing to beta test it, lol |
| 05:08.49 | cryptk|werk | Robi_: that is odd... |
| 05:09.07 | Robi_ | no wonde rit wouldn't turn on |
| 05:09.21 | rwhitby | cryptk|werk: no, I have not put out a paid app for webOS |
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| 05:09.36 | cryptk|werk | that is what I thought |
| 05:09.48 | cryptk|werk | bonjour destinal-wirc |
| 05:09.51 | RyanGahl | <-- feels like lametard for not joining IRC much sooner |
| 05:10.04 | destinal-wirc | hey |
| 05:10.17 | cryptk|werk | RyanGahl: I have learned an amazing amount from this IRC |
| 05:11.05 | RyanGahl | so, vRobM (twitter name, not sure his name here) mentioned he pinged the group re: my 1+1=2 app, and there were Q's about the 1.3.5 req... |
| 05:11.21 | Robi_ | man the refurb phone has a 1.5mm gap around the top |
| 05:11.23 | RyanGahl | let me just say... I'm lame there - just picked it hurriedly - it's not a req. |
| 05:11.45 | Robi_ | RyanGahl: tiz I |
| 05:11.46 | destinal-wirc | req? |
| 05:11.54 | RyanGahl | hi Robi_ |
| 05:11.58 | Robi_ | yo |
| 05:11.59 | RyanGahl | requirement |
| 05:12.19 | destinal-wirc | oh |
| 05:12.40 | RyanGahl | i assumed every1 is on 1.3.5 so just picked it - I will fix for next version in case any1 cares |
| 05:13.30 | RyanGahl | also.. thx to you guys for all the patches, LU |
| 05:14.04 | destinal-wirc | cool |
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| 05:16.20 | cryptk|werk | rwhitby: did you ever see my question about being able to specify a list in preware of app developers to hide? |
| 05:17.22 | dtzWill | ali1: well i made the changes i thought were appropriate, getting 0x502 now, so i'll investigate. |
| 05:17.23 | jacques | cryptk|werk, that was discussed at length here weeks ago and the developer could not figure out how to completely hide the apps, so he settled for dimming them |
| 05:17.42 | destinal-wirc | cough brighthouse |
| 05:17.58 | ali1 | dtzWill: i've had that error too, didn't know where it came from though |
| 05:18.10 | jacques | there are about three I would like to hide now |
| 05:18.13 | dtzWill | ali1: debugging ftw hehe |
| 05:18.15 | cryptk|werk | jacques: I am not talking about in the app catalog, I am talking about in preware |
| 05:18.21 | ali1 | but i don't its related to the attributes stuff |
| 05:18.26 | ali1 | think* |
| 05:18.28 | cryptk|werk | the alpha version of preware integrates the palm RSS feeds |
| 05:18.59 | jacques | weren't you asking earlier about the app catalog - a few hours ago? |
| 05:19.09 | cryptk|werk | no |
| 05:19.12 | jacques | maybe it was someone with a nick similar to yours |
| 05:19.13 | cryptk|werk | preware |
| 05:19.15 | RyanGahl | is anyone working on Ogre3D port to PDK yet - contacted the dude that did the iPhone SDL port - I want to start asap but need to get hands on more PDK info |
| 05:19.28 | cryptk|werk | I asked about preware a few hours ago, but then I fell asleep, lol |
| 05:19.47 | cryptk|werk | I was talking to someone about it... I think it may have bee dBsooner |
| 05:19.52 | cryptk|werk | s/bee/been/ |
| 05:19.53 | dtzWill | ali1: that demo they give is so sweet!! haha. |
| 05:20.03 | rwhitby | cryptk|werk: it's just a matter of work to put that in Preware. Submit a well-written patch. |
| 05:20.04 | dtzWill | ali1: spining moving transparent textured cube xD |
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| 05:20.22 | ali1 | dtzWill: its the best dang cube i ever did see |
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| 05:20.34 | dtzWill | ...and it uses 1.3% cpu |
| 05:20.34 | dtzWill | rofl |
| 05:20.40 | cryptk|werk | rwhitby: that's the thing, I don't know enough to be able to code it so I wanted to see if anyone that does is willing to pick it up |
| 05:21.23 | cryptk|werk | if you don't want to code it, that is fine, I was just curious about it's feasability |
| 05:23.42 | cryptk|werk | wow... I just got assigned a ticket at werk that is gonna tae at least 3 hours to fix... bbiab... :( |
| 05:24.38 | rwhitby | cryptk|werk: it's definitely feasible - the author information is there, and it's software so anything is possible. |
| 05:25.07 | cryptk|werk | more impoartantly, it is software that we have full control over, unlike the app catalog... |
| 05:25.39 | dtzWill | ali1: btw why was the shademodel stuff commented out? was it like that when you had it, or..? |
| 05:25.47 | cryptk|werk | one small thing I thought of, a way to tell app catalog apps from homebrew apps while looking at the list of apps would be nice... or at least a way to tell if an app is free or paid from the list |
| 05:25.51 | ali1 | it was like that, yeah |
| 05:26.01 | ali1 | ShadeModel isn't implemented yet |
| 05:26.03 | cryptk|werk | instead of having to click into the app, scroll down and look for a price |
| 05:26.09 | ali1 | in fact its just an empty define heh |
| 05:26.25 | RyanGahl | ali1: you doing Ogre3D? |
| 05:26.44 | ali1 | no, we're doing an opengl 2.0 wrapper for 2.0 es |
| 05:26.56 | RyanGahl | k, more general, cool |
| 05:27.33 | RyanGahl | is there PDK info published other than Palm's glossy webpage yet? |
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| 05:27.56 | ali1 | you can pretty much do anything PDK right now if you want |
| 05:28.01 | ali1 | look at webos-internals.org |
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| 05:28.31 | RyanGahl | duh right there - sometimes the big fonts are the hardest to see |
| 05:28.32 | RyanGahl | thx |
| 05:28.40 | ali1 | no prob |
| 05:29.11 | destinal-wirc | it's not yhe |
| 05:30.22 | destinal-wirc | not same as what palm will put out but can be used great apps and games now |
| 05:30.33 | RyanGahl | k, so FYI - plan is to port Ogre3D (es1.1) and hopefully with top-level js bindings into game engine subsystems - yay, fun, challenging, fun |
| 05:30.54 | destinal-wirc | uses sdl like palm stuff does so very similar |
| 05:31.34 | RyanGahl | hope my incessant Q's here as a noob in the group won't drive you guys bonkers |
| 05:31.46 | destinal-wirc | ryan: no javascript |
| 05:31.56 | RyanGahl | ? |
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| 05:32.11 | RyanGahl | no - i mean i shall create said bindings |
| 05:32.11 | rwhitby | cryptk|werk: free vs paid is already there in 0.9.14 alpha |
| 05:32.20 | RyanGahl | that's the plan |
| 05:32.35 | RyanGahl | (hope) |
| 05:32.48 | destinal-wirc | why js? |
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| 05:33.30 | RyanGahl | because that's the top level of the platform |
| 05:33.38 | RyanGahl | why not js |
| 05:33.40 | destinal-wirc | no |
| 05:33.43 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 05:34.26 | destinal-wirc | you think our doom port had javascript? |
| 05:34.40 | RyanGahl | no no of course not |
| 05:34.52 | destinal-wirc | is native like iphone |
| 05:35.05 | RyanGahl | yep |
| 05:35.06 | PuffTheMagic | me wonders what js would be used for |
| 05:35.11 | RyanGahl | trust me i get that part |
| 05:35.40 | destinal-wirc | you can't mix sdl and mojo |
| 05:35.42 | RyanGahl | idea is to componentize subsystems |
| 05:35.44 | RyanGahl | can't? |
| 05:35.46 | RyanGahl | it's software |
| 05:35.48 | RyanGahl | :) |
| 05:36.05 | destinal-wirc | uh |
| 05:36.31 | destinal-wirc | ok |
| 05:36.38 | destinal-wirc | good luck |
| 05:36.42 | rwhitby | RyanGahl: you sound like you've done this stuff before? Are you a games developer on another platform? |
| 05:36.52 | RyanGahl | my understanding of the PDK (Palm's plans) is that it will enable native components, which IMHO if they're doing this right, should allow scriptability |
| 05:37.07 | RyanGahl | components vs. apps |
| 05:37.56 | destinal-wirc | well apps will likely integrate with plugins |
| 05:38.25 | destinal-wirc | but probably not sdl and plugins |
| 05:39.11 | RyanGahl | well - yeah I don't know yet what's going to be easy or hard about this idea, but I know it's possible |
| 05:39.17 | RyanGahl | must be :) |
| 05:39.18 | destinal-wirc | sdl apps are currently totally outside mojo |
| 05:39.36 | destinal-wirc | and likely to remain so |
| 05:40.31 | RyanGahl | +rwhitby: not a games developer per se, but been tinkering for years, biding time for an opportunity like this platform...I'm in lust with this stuff |
| 05:40.43 | destinal-wirc | ryan: it's closed source so palm controls that generally |
| 05:41.39 | RyanGahl | from their PDK page: "The PDK supports a wide range of use cases, ranging from full-screen 3D games to compute-intensive tasks that run behind the scenes of an app written mostly in HTML, JavaScript and CSS. Plug-ins can render graphics to the entire display, to just a portion, or not at all." |
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| 05:42.07 | psykoz | to just a portion? |
| 05:42.19 | psykoz | so is that your plugin only takes up half a card |
| 05:42.24 | destinal-wirc | probably npapi |
| 05:42.26 | xcomp | psykoz: i'm assuming that's either undocumented api or api that won't exist until 1.4 |
| 05:42.26 | psykoz | and the other half is the standard dev ? |
| 05:42.27 | ali1 | you can specify how big you want an embedded element to be in html |
| 05:42.28 | RyanGahl | which leads me to believe we'll be able to treat this stuff basically like a Flash/Flex widget, with a handle to the DOM/js runtime |
| 05:42.37 | destinal-wirc | like terminal |
| 05:42.44 | psykoz | ali1, ahh, so like browser + flash areas |
| 05:42.51 | ali1 | yup |
| 05:42.55 | psykoz | gotcha |
| 05:42.58 | RyanGahl | right, but native powerz |
| 05:43.03 | cryptk|werk | rwhitby: I know free vs. paid is already there, but is it indicated in the list of apps or do you have to click into the app to tell the difference? |
| 05:43.03 | ali1 | except the flash areas can be plugins you develop |
| 05:43.03 | psykoz | Not a bad idea |
| 05:43.22 | destinal-wirc | right terminal has done this for months |
| 05:43.36 | psykoz | destinal-wirc, nod |
| 05:43.43 | Toaster89 | We need a patch to keep messenger from adding friends as contacts :P |
| 05:43.51 | RyanGahl | hence... Ogre3D as componentize framework with js bindings |
| 05:44.14 | destinal-wirc | well |
| 05:44.50 | destinal-wirc | I don't think 3d is as suited to npapi |
| 05:44.54 | RyanGahl | (they said it couldn't be done... they called me crazy...) |
| 05:44.56 | RyanGahl | :) |
| 05:45.02 | destinal-wirc | as it is sdl |
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| 05:45.16 | psykoz | toaster89, I don't want to speak for palm, but I've basically come to assume that contacts is a dirty list, a dirty list palm wants you to also treat as dirty and if you want ot clean it up, you clean it up on your 3rd party sources for that information |
| 05:45.36 | Toaster89 | yeah :P |
| 05:45.36 | psykoz | toaster89, so that being said, i let go of contacts app long ago and have really learned to be religious about search on the device |
| 05:45.47 | destinal-wirc | but palm could find a way to mix them |
| 05:46.27 | rwhitby | cryptk|werk: have you run the latest alpha Preware? just try it and see |
| 05:46.31 | RyanGahl | it's not an unheard of idea, plugin based engines abound, with js bindings (very common), python, etc... |
| 05:46.47 | cryptk|werk | I have it installed, but I can't have my Pre in the building at werk anymore so i can't check now |
| 05:47.00 | destinal-wirc | ryan: I know |
| 05:47.04 | RyanGahl | it's just a matter of writing an interface from c++ land to the runtime |
| 05:47.09 | RyanGahl | er, js-runtime |
| 05:47.11 | psykoz | toaster89, the other thing you can do to make your contact list happier is whatever your primary contact list (google apps, gmail, exchange, etc..) |
| 05:47.15 | Toaster89 | I reorginzed my gmail contacts so I could sync that with my pre |
| 05:47.17 | destinal-wirc | we have had them forever on webos |
| 05:47.25 | psykoz | toaster89, clean it up now and put people's IM information in that |
| 05:47.29 | RyanGahl | yeah |
| 05:47.35 | Toaster89 | yeah thats what i've been doing |
| 05:47.36 | psykoz | toaster89, this way you get the 'merged' contact view. |
| 05:47.53 | Toaster89 | some contacts though I just DONT want showing up |
| 05:47.58 | Toaster89 | god forbid if they ever add msn |
| 05:48.04 | Toaster89 | I'll just stick to meebo |
| 05:48.15 | Toaster89 | 100+ contacts on msn :P |
| 05:48.16 | psykoz | that hooker you chatted with, set her up as "Hooker Bitch" and then put her AIM info in as Hookersuckyocock and then when you integrate AIM into your Pre, Hooker Bitch is the only thing you see ;0 |
| 05:48.17 | destinal-wirc | eh? |
| 05:48.27 | RyanGahl | destinal-wirc: well, anyway, like I said, that's what I _want_ to do... I guess we'll find out how it goes |
| 05:48.48 | psykoz | toaster89, *note* I spend most of my time on my Pre chatting through terminal+ssh+irssi+bitlbee |
| 05:48.55 | destinal-wirc | you can do it today |
| 05:49.12 | destinal-wirc | not with accel 3d tho |
| 05:49.14 | psykoz | bitlbee is ur friend if you're an irc nerd |
| 05:49.28 | Toaster89 | Yeah I mostly use SMS |
| 05:49.42 | psykoz | toaster89, ever heard of bitlbee? |
| 05:49.53 | Toaster89 | nope |
| 05:50.14 | psykoz | http://www.bitlbee.org/ - they have public servers if you dn't want to setup your own ircd |
| 05:50.34 | Toaster89 | hmm |
| 05:50.39 | destinal-wirc | ryan: I just don't think javascript improves that game |
| 05:50.45 | Toaster89 | that wouldnt be bad |
| 05:50.47 | psykoz | it is an ircd that has oscar (aim/icq)/jabber/msn/yahoo/other support |
| 05:51.02 | RyanGahl | game engine, you mean? |
| 05:51.05 | psykoz | so you basically have your own "irc room" and everyone who is connected is a user in your room |
| 05:51.26 | Toaster89 | Now if I wasent such a n00b at this makefile/linux stuff I could fix scummvm :P |
| 05:51.47 | destinal-wirc | ryan: yes |
| 05:51.50 | rwhitby | bitlbee is in optware, available for the Pre |
| 05:52.08 | psykoz | and rwhitby pwns |
| 05:52.22 | psykoz | notes he just ssh's and screens so he never knew of optware bitlbee port |
| 05:52.27 | RyanGahl | it improves it inasmuch as it makes it possible to have scriptable 3D environments and improves the open source game-dev toolstack for the platform |
| 05:52.46 | RyanGahl | lower barrier to entry, et. al. |
| 05:53.19 | psykoz | however rwhitby makes a good point, Pre wIRC + Bitlbee is probably the coolest alternative to palm's native IM platform |
| 05:54.01 | xcomp | tell me more about this beetle bee |
| 05:54.38 | xcomp | my interests. it is relevant to them |
| 05:54.38 | psykoz | xcomp, it's just an ircd gateway to multiple IM networks |
| 05:54.53 | RyanGahl | destinal: i mean, look at HTML5's Canvas tag... Adobe Flex's js-interface... it's not hard to see how the js API makes the widget richer |
| 05:54.58 | psykoz | it just makes AIM/yahoo/gtalk/msn act like IRC |
| 05:55.13 | xcomp | why didn't I think of this before |
| 05:55.27 | xcomp | it is genius |
| 05:55.50 | psykoz | it is |
| 05:55.55 | psykoz | it's been around for almost a decade now |
| 05:56.22 | psykoz | I would have never used AIM if I didn't have it "delivered" to me in irc format |
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| 05:56.36 | rwhitby | http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/unstable/bitlbee_1.2.4-1_arm.ipk |
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| 05:59.07 | karotte_exe | hi |
| 05:59.42 | destinal-wirc | hey |
| 05:59.44 | karotte_exe | i'm searching for a rss-reade, did someone a name of a reader? |
| 06:00.04 | RyanGahl | anyway guys, sry it took me so long to get my ass in here - I'll be on more often :) - heading home, peace out |
| 06:00.05 | karotte_exe | reader |
| 06:00.12 | Jellica | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:00.24 | destinal-wirc | freakout: liking sdl so far? |
| 06:00.29 | jacques | xcomp, the source packages in your Makefiles - are they just straight checkouts ? or are they already patched? |
| 06:00.59 | dtzWill | i wish there was a "opengl, please stop execution if there's an error" mode. |
| 06:01.03 | xcomp | jacques: the efl packages have minor modifications for building |
| 06:01.17 | psykoz | Bye Gahl |
| 06:01.25 | ali1 | dtzWill: i think i narrowed it down |
| 06:01.40 | ali1 | dtzWill: unless you already found it |
| 06:01.44 | xcomp | jacques: -rpath-related stuff mostly |
| 06:02.01 | jacques | xcomp, ah, OK. I was hoping we could just have the Makefiles do the checkout and then patch with a local patch |
| 06:02.08 | dtzWill | ali1: oh well don't i feel worthless. you implemented what i was working on and debugged it? haha :( |
| 06:02.16 | dtzWill | ali1: where is it? |
| 06:02.23 | dtzWill | ali1: i was narrowing it down rtfn |
| 06:02.33 | xcomp | jacques: well that would be slower, but I am keeping track of my patches anyway |
| 06:02.40 | xcomp | so it is an option |
| 06:02.46 | ali1 | dtzWill: i didn't implement it but i've always had 502 |
| 06:03.01 | jacques | gotta go - will be back in a little while |
| 06:03.08 | ali1 | dtzWill: i think its within the second call to wes_bind_program |
| 06:03.11 | xcomp | jacques: the packages are manually packaged from svn by me |
| 06:03.30 | ali1 | at least on testgl |
| 06:03.44 | karotte_exe | is there a rss-reader for palm preston ? |
| 06:04.01 | jacques | xcomp, I added SVN support to cross-compile for libGLUES_CM |
| 06:04.15 | rwhitby | Jellica: have you installed the latest versions with webos quick install 2.96 ? |
| 06:04.18 | jacques | xcomp, you can specify a rev |
| 06:04.35 | jacques | anyway, something to think about - back in a bit |
| 06:04.35 | xcomp | jacques: yeah I noticed, but evas needs some work before we can output to GLES |
| 06:04.45 | Jellica | I have |
| 06:04.56 | rwhitby | jacques: I took a look at that - it seemed you had two separate targets there |
| 06:05.02 | xcomp | jacques: the gles code in there right now is X11 based, we need to convert to SDL |
| 06:05.08 | dtzWill | ali1: i'm stuck in wes_state_update. |
| 06:05.12 | rwhitby | Jellica: what versions of each do you have? |
| 06:05.32 | destinal-wirc | karrote_exe: I recommend you ask I'm #webos |
| 06:05.42 | jacques | rwhitby, you are referring to SRC_SVN and SRC_SVN_REV ? |
| 06:05.45 | destinal-wirc | Sargun: /'m/n/ |
| 06:05.46 | dtzWill | ali1: i think my changes fix what you are seeing; maybe it's giving you the invalid operation b/c you're binding an attr that is 1 too many? |
| 06:05.59 | destinal-wirc | stupid wirc |
| 06:06.03 | ali1 | nah that's 1281 for sure |
| 06:06.11 | karotte_exe | destinal-wirc: jes, webos |
| 06:06.24 | rwhitby | jacques: yep, I was expecting one target, with a variable that controlled the version or tag |
| 06:06.31 | destinal-wirc | there is another channel |
| 06:06.32 | ali1 | dtzWill: i swear i saw 502 in a bunch of uniform stuff |
| 06:06.33 | destinal-wirc | #webos |
| 06:06.39 | destinal-wirc | not this one |
| 06:06.53 | dtzWill | ali1: well testgl stops in wes_state_update for me as well. |
| 06:06.53 | jacques | rwhitby, OK I must have misunderstood what you had in mind - feel free to modify |
| 06:06.54 | Jellica | I have the latest one that just came out this month and then afterward I ran the Emergency Patch Recovery thing but now Preware is not starting up properly |
| 06:06.58 | rwhitby | jacques: one variable that triggers svn, and a separate co-variable that defaults to HEAD but can be overridden for the version |
| 06:07.05 | dtzWill | ali1: the bindprogram, is that in wes_init or while it's running? |
| 06:07.19 | ali1 | while its running |
| 06:07.22 | rwhitby | Jellica: version numbers for Preware and Package Manager Service please |
| 06:07.25 | xcomp | wonders why some developers insist on maintaining their own crappy Makefiles instead of using autotools |
| 06:07.30 | ali1 | or at least when it creates those fragment shaders |
| 06:07.31 | xcomp | your Makefile sucks |
| 06:07.35 | xcomp | get rid of it |
| 06:07.37 | xcomp | :P |
| 06:07.49 | xcomp | i'm looking at you, lua writer |
| 06:07.55 | rwhitby | xcomp: autotools is a huge barrier to entry for a lot of people |
| 06:08.18 | rwhitby | jacques: I'm not sure I had anything in mind, I just thought that when I saw the code. |
| 06:09.03 | dtzWill | ali1: okay. i'm in various parts of wes_matrix that are causing issues, particularly their calls to flush---the actual drawing operations seem to go through fine which is engouraging, although it could be b/c they're drawing nothing yet :) |
| 06:09.04 | xcomp | rwhitby: i can understand entry level stuff. but when you're writing your own scripting language, I seriously doubt that autotools is that difficult for you to comprehend |
| 06:09.22 | Jellica | Preware 0.9.10 I am not sure where to find the other version info you are asking for... |
| 06:09.33 | xcomp | now it looks like I'm going to have to repackage lua manually using autotools |
| 06:09.49 | xcomp | stupid thing doesn't even build an .so |
| 06:10.07 | ali1 | dtzWill: could you push your attr fix? i want to confirm if i'm crazy or not |
| 06:10.48 | xcomp | hmm.. conan has two trending topics on twitter |
| 06:11.08 | rwhitby | Jellica: it's likely you don't have the lastest then, which are preware 0.9.12 and package manager service 0.9.29 - you should follow http://install.preware.org/ to install the latest |
| 06:11.12 | PuffTheMagic | xcomp: cause autotools sucks |
| 06:11.23 | jacques | rwhitby, I wasn't very awake when I wrote it :-) |
| 06:11.30 | jacques | BIAB |
| 06:11.47 | xcomp | PuffTheMagic: it's convoluted and annoying, but it is pretty darn good at getting the job done in a platform independent manner |
| 06:11.59 | dtzWill | ali1: gimme a sec; need to pull out some of my debugging stuff :). |
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| 06:12.13 | ali1 | thanks |
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| 06:12.25 | Jellica | Okay will do that now. I will let you know what I come up with momentarily |
| 06:12.54 | Sargun | destinal-wirc, yes? |
| 06:13.59 | destinal-wirc | Sargun: wirc misunderstood and autocompleted you by miatake |
| 06:14.02 | destinal-wirc | sorry |
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| 06:18.35 | Jellica | Can I do this from my handset or do I have to hook the device up to the computer and everything like I did when I first began using Preware? |
| 06:18.59 | xcomp | you could just do it over wifi |
| 06:19.12 | xcomp | hooking up is so 2009 |
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| 06:19.36 | ali1 | dtzWill: i got 502 on wes_state.c line 188 |
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| 06:20.44 | Jellica | Lol! Thanks and yeah I so agree with you about the whole USB thing |
| 06:23.37 | rwhitby | Jellica: if you're comfortable with the Linux command line, you can do it over wifi if you are able to ssh into the Pre. |
| 06:23.50 | rwhitby | Otherwise, do it via http://install.preware.org |
| 06:24.11 | destinal | rwhitby: did you see the thing about mobilehotspot segfaulting on you? |
| 06:24.38 | rwhitby | destinal: yeah, did you get any further? |
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| 06:24.58 | destinal | not yet, haven't figured out what param types it wans yet |
| 06:24.59 | rwhitby | my next step was going to be capturing dbus while bluetooth tethering |
| 06:25.19 | oc80z | yawn |
| 06:25.19 | d0lph1nK1ng | if i setup Bluetooth DUN on Phone X, can the Palm Pre connect to it? |
| 06:25.29 | oc80z | bout to pass out |
| 06:25.29 | destinal | I don't expect it to necessarily use hotspot services but it's worth a shot |
| 06:25.45 | oc80z | and load every app possible through quick installer. |
| 06:25.49 | destinal | rwhitby: hotspot services use other AP services and routing and stuff that tethering may also use |
| 06:25.55 | oc80z | there a limit still, like.. still? |
| 06:25.59 | destinal | rwhitby: but you're likely to gain information regardless |
| 06:26.28 | dtzWill | ali1: pushed |
| 06:26.28 | oc80z | destinal rwhitby thanks for the walkthrough |
| 06:26.39 | oc80z | hey whats good d0lph1nK1ng |
| 06:26.44 | destinal | oc80z: you're welcome |
| 06:26.56 | Toaster89 | doom hurts your fingers to play lool |
| 06:26.58 | ali1 | dtzWill: thanks. did you check out that line? |
| 06:27.19 | dtzWill | ali1: that's where i get it too. |
| 06:27.19 | oc80z | i srsly just checkboxed about 200 apps on quickinstall |
| 06:27.24 | d0lph1nK1ng | got the nexus one, so transferred to tmo, but still want to run internet-based apps using the Pre. was hoping i could tether to N1 when not by wifi |
| 06:27.40 | dtzWill | ali1: but it was from matrix stuff, not from buildprogram. |
| 06:27.49 | ali1 | weird |
| 06:28.06 | Jellica | rwhitby: Thanks for all of your help...I am just gonna do this tomorrow bc I am not familiar with Linux. I have got to get this up and running again soon though! |
| 06:28.36 | destinal | d0lph1nK1ng: probably it can do so, whether it's supported out of the box I don't know |
| 06:28.48 | ali1 | dtzWill: i think it didnt get a bind on uEnableColorMaterial correctly |
| 06:29.16 | dtzWill | ali1: it drives me crazy that this isn't error checked haha. idk how he wrote this :D |
| 06:29.34 | oc80z | whoa cool dking. |
| 06:29.39 | ali1 | apparently he started this on a PowerVR emulator |
| 06:30.06 | ali1 | people started to report real machine errors when devices had SDKs released for them |
| 06:30.32 | dtzWill | still think error checking in your damn init routine wouldn't hurt haha. :). |
| 06:30.35 | d0lph1nK1ng | destinal: hmmm ok, i'll play around with it a lil more. thanks |
| 06:30.36 | ali1 | heh |
| 06:30.50 | destinal | d0lph1nK1ng: you can probably connect to a PAN and add a route at least |
| 06:30.56 | destinal | via terminal |
| 06:31.39 | dtzWill | ali1: that aside i think your guess is probably correct. |
| 06:31.41 | destinal | depending on how nexus one supports tethering to you that may work |
| 06:31.46 | destinal | if it's DUN, may be harder |
| 06:31.57 | d0lph1nK1ng | one was USB, other was DUN |
| 06:32.36 | dtzWill | ali1: tell me if i'm wrong but is that variable *ever* written to? |
| 06:32.38 | destinal | then it may be trickier, I promise if you send me a nexus one I'll develop something though :) |
| 06:32.58 | oc80z | wow |
| 06:33.01 | d0lph1nK1ng | haha |
| 06:33.08 | ali1 | dtzWill: i saw a SetUniform1i to it |
| 06:33.08 | oc80z | quick istall with the fail |
| 06:33.20 | destinal | d0lph1nK1ng: honestly I assume that it's ppp over bluetooth serial if it's DUN |
| 06:33.34 | destinal | but you really would prefer bluetooth PAN and routing |
| 06:33.34 | oc80z | crashes after the 10th or 15th app |
| 06:33.46 | dtzWill | ali1: but that passes the value, and we're in c so no reference stuff. unless a GLint is a int *?? |
| 06:33.47 | oc80z | tried to restart novacomd, and retrying fail. :/ shit |
| 06:33.58 | destinal | d0lph1nK1ng: maybe you're in luck and it's the latter |
| 06:34.05 | dtzWill | ali1: OH updateUnform is his macro thing i forgot about that |
| 06:34.20 | ali1 | yeah |
| 06:34.27 | ali1 | what i'm wondering is where the bind happens |
| 06:34.28 | d0lph1nK1ng | it uses DUN, the android app called PdaNet |
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| 06:36.09 | destinal | d0lph1nK1ng: *nods* i don't know much about bluetooth DUN. I would try seting up a linux PC to use it first and then once you have that going figure out how to do the same type of thing on pre |
| 06:36.29 | oc80z | u can kill the installer and restart from where u left off :D |
| 06:36.36 | oc80z | socket did die though |
| 06:36.40 | d0lph1nK1ng | got it workin on windows pc pretty quick. will try linux |
| 06:36.56 | d0lph1nK1ng | thanks for the tips |
| 06:37.07 | destinal | d0lph1nK1ng: if it's just a certain command or program or something you may be able to install it on pre also |
| 06:37.10 | destinal | you're welcome |
| 06:37.15 | oc80z | only have 0 avail blocks on crypto |
| 06:37.15 | oc80z | wow |
| 06:37.23 | oc80z | quickinstall throws files in there? |
| 06:37.43 | destinal | oc80z: files? |
| 06:37.43 | oc80z | /media/cryptofs/apps |
| 06:37.47 | d0lph1nK1ng | good pt |
| 06:37.57 | oc80z | webosquickinstall.jar |
| 06:38.26 | oc80z | weak |
| 06:39.21 | oc80z | we should be able to use /media/internal |
| 06:39.26 | oc80z | am i wrong? |
| 06:40.26 | ali1 | dtzWill: uniform binding happens in wes_uniform_loc in wes_shader.c |
| 06:40.27 | destinal | oc80z: /media/internal and /media/cryptofs are the same partition |
| 06:40.43 | ali1 | dtzWill: it doesn't seem he binded uColorMaterial |
| 06:40.46 | destinal | cryptofs is just an overlay / layer on top, same disk |
| 06:40.50 | oc80z | really... |
| 06:41.00 | destinal | yup |
| 06:41.01 | oc80z | well it was saying 0 blocks free |
| 06:41.18 | dtzWill | ali1: looks like it. |
| 06:41.25 | oc80z | *shrug* |
| 06:41.30 | destinal | so if you df -k you'll see, same stats on /media/internal as /media/cryptofs (unless there's something really wrong) |
| 06:41.35 | dtzWill | ali1: errr |
| 06:41.48 | oc80z | i loaded dunno, a -bunch- of apps in quickinstall, |
| 06:41.52 | dtzWill | ali1: shader.c:156 |
| 06:41.57 | oc80z | wierd |
| 06:42.24 | ali1 | dtzWill: that makes out to uEnableColorMaterial? |
| 06:43.05 | dtzWill | ali1: probably not, actually sorry. |
| 06:43.14 | justin-_ | lol oc80z |
| 06:43.14 | oc80z | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.15 | oc80z | ah |
| 06:43.19 | oc80z | what happnd?? |
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| 06:43.27 | oc80z | why was it shittn the bed ;/ |
| 06:43.29 | justin-_ | you love your oc80s eh |
| 06:43.34 | oc80z | my what? |
| 06:43.49 | ir0nic | asdfasdf |
| 06:43.53 | ir0nic | i can't change my nick |
| 06:44.12 | ali1 | dtzWill: yeah this looks all weird but i don't see him locating that anywhere |
| 06:44.13 | oc80z | dunno destinal i should have screen captured |
| 06:44.20 | ali1 | my grep call was right. |
| 06:44.35 | destinal | oc80z: did it suddenly decide to be fine? |
| 06:44.43 | oc80z | so far.. |
| 06:44.48 | oc80z | so good + |
| 06:46.47 | oc80z | so yea |
| 06:47.00 | oc80z | the apps have tags in preware |
| 06:47.48 | oc80z | creating a widget to organize the 3 windows by popular tag, would seem logical |
| 06:48.12 | oc80z | or scriptable, |
| 06:48.33 | yokken | oh shit finally |
| 06:49.03 | dtzWill | ali1: yeah, i agree. i just added them--and for alphatest which looked missing? |
| 06:49.21 | dtzWill | ali1: maybe scratch alpha test, i'll leave that out. |
| 06:50.36 | destinal | rwhitby: actually you may be right, bt tether may use mobilehotspotd, I'm seeing bluetooth strings all over it |
| 06:50.47 | oc80z | yep its crashin |
| 06:50.47 | destinal | rwhitby: if you do that trace I'd be interested to see it |
| 06:51.04 | oc80z | killin the socket, will try w/o novacom+proxy up |
| 06:51.10 | oc80z | er.. novaproxy |
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| 06:52.47 | ali1 | dtzWill: started testgl, got one 502 ? |
| 06:53.37 | rwhitby | destinal: later tonight, after I release preware |
| 06:54.18 | oc80z | woohoo |
| 06:54.44 | dtzWill | ali1: yep |
| 06:54.44 | oc80z | sup alil |
| 06:54.54 | dtzWill | ali1: how are you tracking those down? i was just instrumenting it with calls to a check. you got a better idea? :) |
| 06:54.56 | destinal | rwhitby: your debug levels aren't numbers |
| 06:55.03 | destinal | rwhitby: I think they are one of chatty verbose trace info notice warning assert require error critical alert emergency tragic |
| 06:55.20 | rwhitby | destinal: cool |
| 06:55.57 | ali1 | dtzWill: i use gdb, step through a bunch of lines then call glGetError() |
| 06:56.14 | ali1 | if i get the error code, then it happen in those last few steps :P |
| 06:57.24 | dtzWill | haha kk |
| 06:57.51 | ali1 | GLU has a method called gluErrorString() :( |
| 06:58.40 | destinal | rwhitby: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.mobilehotspot/setDebugLevel '{ "debugLevel": "chatty" }' |
| 06:58.40 | destinal | ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "returnValue": true } |
| 06:58.53 | dtzWill | SDL has SDL_GetError() :) |
| 07:06.14 | destinal | rwhitby: /var/log/mobilehotspot.log |
| 07:10.53 | ali1 | dtzWill: found it |
| 07:11.19 | ali1 | line 194, updateuniform1i |
| 07:11.46 | ali1 | happens when i is 1 |
| 07:13.08 | dtzWill | ali1: haha we're like the same. yep that's where it is |
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| 07:13.21 | dtzWill | ali1: happens when i is 1? hmm |
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| 07:13.35 | ali1 | it's fine when i was 0 :\ |
| 07:14.26 | dtzWill | ali1: confirmed. hmm. |
| 07:15.21 | ali1 | i had 502 happen somewhere else, line 205 when i is 1 again |
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| 07:15.55 | destinal | rwhitby: luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.mobilehotspot/sysInfo {} |
| 07:15.55 | destinal | ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, { "returnValue": true, "sysInfo": { "ifbridge": "bridge12", "IPv4Address": "10.1.1.11", "IPv4Subnet": "255.255.255.0", "IPv4PoolStart": "10.1.1.200", "stateBridge": "CREATED", "stateIPv4": "REMOVED", "stateDHCPServer": "DHCP SERVER STOPPED", "stateBluetoothRadio": "OFF", "interfaces": [ ] } } |
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| 07:16.58 | dtzWill | ali1: when you have a uniform array-----are you *supposed* to bind each element individually? |
| 07:17.18 | destinal | rwhitby: fyi, wow, have you run an ifconfig -a on a pre lately? |
| 07:17.23 | dtzWill | ali1: as opposed to binding a reference to the array itself. maybe that's the issue? |
| 07:18.05 | ali1 | let me check the docs |
| 07:18.51 | destinal | rwhitby: http://webos.pastebin.com/m2b06e4a4 |
| 07:19.30 | destinal | rwhitby: not counting usbnet I have >> 15 << interfaces |
| 07:19.47 | xcomp | ncurses, readline, lua, embryo and edje in git |
| 07:19.59 | destinal | bridge0-12 and bsl0 and eth0 |
| 07:21.05 | destinal | oh, it's not kidding about having a DHCP pool btw |
| 07:21.18 | destinal | root@castle:/var/home/root# ps auxw|grep -i dhcpd |
| 07:21.18 | destinal | root 1206 0.0 0.6 4956 1636 ? Ss Jan12 0:00 /usr/bin/minidhcpd |
| 07:22.05 | destinal | amazing what we carry around in our pockets these days... :) |
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| 07:22.55 | dtzWill | ali1: it's not getting bound correctly. |
| 07:23.42 | dtzWill | ali1: i need to grab some food, but if yuo haven't fixed it by then i will :). they're definitely not bound (they're getting set to -1 in findattribute or w/e) |
| 07:24.01 | ali1 | dtzWill: in locate uniform? |
| 07:24.30 | ali1 | i'll probably get to bed so i'll let you do it |
| 07:24.37 | dtzWill | ali1: in locateuniformindex. |
| 07:24.45 | dtzWill | ali1: kk. sounds good. good work, yay progress :D |
| 07:24.53 | ali1 | heh |
| 07:25.52 | destinal | rwhitby: I have to get to sleep to work in the morning but I'll pick up wherever you leave off |
| 07:26.23 | rwhitby | ok |
| 07:26.28 | destinal | night |
| 07:26.33 | rwhitby | I'm doing Preware screenshots at the momenbt |
| 07:26.41 | destinal-sleep | rwhitby: go, preware! |
| 07:26.51 | destinal-sleep | :) |
| 07:27.26 | destinal-sleep | rwhitby: 15 interfaces not counting usbnet! |
| 07:27.31 | destinal-sleep | ok really going to bed now |
| 07:27.45 | xcomp | whoo...elementary is next |
| 07:28.07 | xcomp | aka the widget library you've all been waiting for |
| 07:28.18 | destinal-wirc | coo |
| 07:28.25 | destinal-wirc | l |
| 07:28.56 | xcomp | written from the ground up to be smartphone friendly |
| 07:30.00 | jacques | xcomp: sweet |
| 07:30.09 | Robi_ | ha another Pre appearance on the Good Wife tv show |
| 07:32.15 | jacques | I thought I saw one on yesterday's Chuck |
| 07:33.37 | xcomp | jacques: ok, not so fast ... no sdl support in there yet |
| 07:33.38 | Robi_ | ya that's been happening on chuck and heroes |
| 07:33.42 | xcomp | hacking time :) |
| 07:33.55 | xcomp | should be pretty straightforward |
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| 07:44.36 | JMyaDaGod | anyone around? |
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| 07:47.31 | Toaster89 | yeah |
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| 07:49.02 | JMyaDaGod | u got freetether running yet on ur pre? |
| 07:49.58 | Toaster89 | no |
| 07:50.02 | Toaster89 | sorry :P |
| 07:50.55 | JMyaDaGod | damn it i cant get it to work |
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| 08:13.32 | karotte_exe | hey, how can I use "free tether"? |
| 08:14.47 | swisstomcat1 | europe or us? |
| 08:16.04 | karotte_exe | europe |
| 08:16.22 | swisstomcat1 | nothing to do on the pre except from turning on bluetooth |
| 08:16.34 | swisstomcat1 | then pair your pre with your notebook |
| 08:16.36 | swisstomcat1 | connect .. done |
| 08:16.51 | karotte_exe | I can't use bluetooth |
| 08:17.00 | karotte_exe | have no stick ore else :( |
| 08:17.07 | swisstomcat1 | they're cheap |
| 08:17.13 | karotte_exe | I'm interested in usb-tethering |
| 08:17.27 | swisstomcat1 | don't know if that works, tried with bluetooth yesterday |
| 08:17.38 | karotte_exe | and wifi? |
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| 08:18.18 | karotte_exe | did you know how? on the wifi-channel is my ip (null) :( |
| 08:18.33 | swisstomcat1 | it seems that it only works with bluetooth because they added the pan-bluetooth-profile |
| 08:19.01 | karotte_exe | ah ok |
| 08:19.23 | karotte_exe | how fast is bluetoothtethering? |
| 08:19.38 | rwhitby | release candidates for preware 0.9.15 and ipkgservice 0.9.30 are in the alpha testing feed. run the preware-bootstrap script, allow alpha, and overwrite both packages. |
| 08:20.14 | swisstomcat1 | a bt adapter is like 10 euros |
| 08:20.17 | rwhitby | I'll be looking for 3 success reports before I release it to the public |
| 08:20.22 | rwhitby | bbiab |
| 08:20.31 | swisstomcat1 | rwhitby: updates since yesterday? |
| 08:20.59 | karotte_exe | what is a "bootstrap script"? |
| 08:21.01 | rwhitby | swisstomcat1: final tweaks before release |
| 08:21.09 | karotte_exe | and how can irun it? |
| 08:21.10 | swisstomcat1 | will test again and report back |
| 08:21.18 | rwhitby | karotte_exe: last three lines on the wiki page |
| 08:21.33 | swisstomcat1 | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware |
| 08:22.28 | cryptk|werk | karotte_exe: a bootstrap script is basically used to automate an install and configuration of some sort |
| 08:22.41 | karotte_exe | have that to be insert in the terminal? |
| 08:22.47 | swisstomcat1 | yeah |
| 08:22.50 | cryptk|werk | in this case it is being used to automate the installation and configuration of preware and the ipkgservice |
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| 08:24.52 | karotte_exe | ok |
| 08:27.23 | swisstomcat1 | starting up preware gives me a white screen |
| 08:27.40 | swisstomcat1 | am i supposed to reboot (luna has restarted already)? |
| 08:28.50 | rwhitby-pre | hmm - I saw that too. restarting preware fixed it. |
| 08:29.08 | swisstomcat1 | any tips to help debuggin it? |
| 08:29.31 | swisstomcat1 | it's still on a white screen |
| 08:29.35 | rwhitby-pre | no, dunno why. |
| 08:29.59 | rwhitby-pre | does just restarting preware fix it? |
| 08:30.17 | swisstomcat1 | yup |
| 08:30.24 | swisstomcat1 | that's not a true fix tho :) |
| 08:30.32 | rwhitby-pre | indeed |
| 08:31.00 | rwhitby-pre | did you see the changelog screen? |
| 08:31.10 | swisstomcat1 | no |
| 08:31.25 | rwhitby-pre | hmm - maybe that screen is too long |
| 08:32.03 | swisstomcat1 | you think it was the changelog screen? |
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| 08:32.44 | rwhitby-pre | yeah, I will need to bump the version and test |
| 08:32.50 | karotte_exee | hm, this bootstrap |
| 08:32.55 | rwhitby-pre | (after dinner) |
| 08:33.04 | karotte_exee | I get "permission denied" |
| 08:33.07 | swisstomcat1 | let me know if i can help |
| 08:33.32 | rwhitby-pre | thx |
| 08:33.53 | swisstomcat1 | karotte: which terminal did you use? webosquickinstall,novacom,internal? |
| 08:34.07 | karotte_exee | preware |
| 08:34.50 | swisstomcat1 | the on-pre terminal installed by preware? |
| 08:35.04 | karotte_exee | jep |
| 08:35.22 | swisstomcat1 | hmm, didn't try with that one yet |
| 08:35.26 | swisstomcat1 | i used novacom |
| 08:35.31 | rwhitby-pre | what command did you type? |
| 08:35.38 | karotte_exee | terminal is from internals |
| 08:35.45 | karotte_exee | the last three lines |
| 08:35.57 | swisstomcat1 | cd /tmp etc. |
| 08:36.04 | karotte_exee | jep |
| 08:36.05 | swisstomcat1 | where did it say "permission denied" |
| 08:36.11 | swisstomcat1 | at which point |
| 08:36.23 | karotte_exee | last command |
| 08:36.29 | rwhitby-pre | check that you put sh at the front of the third line |
| 08:36.35 | karotte_exee | sh preware..... |
| 08:36.57 | swisstomcat1 | or sh +x preware-bootstrap (to see the output) |
| 08:37.25 | rwhitby-pre | sh foo doesn't need foo to be executable |
| 08:37.32 | karotte_exee | ok, now it works (*strange*) |
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| 08:37.54 | rwhitby-pre | my guess is you forgot the sh |
| 08:38.14 | swisstomcat1 | hallo metaview |
| 08:40.14 | cryptk|werk | rwhitby-pre: I also got the white screen on first preware launch |
| 08:40.23 | cryptk|werk | restarting preware did fix it |
| 08:40.27 | Kyusaku | same here |
| 08:41.04 | cryptk|werk | could it be something to do with the splash screen hide after first use code maybe? |
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| 08:42.12 | rwhitby | dunno, it's weird |
| 08:42.15 | Kyusaku | seems like something to do with first use/changelog |
| 08:42.59 | rwhitby | only thing I changed since the alpha test is that, so it must be that |
| 08:43.04 | Kyusaku | Updated a few days ago and it was fine |
| 08:44.05 | cryptk|werk | also, preware help menu has .15 as the version... list of installed apps has it as .12..... I am guessing though that this is because we are running the alpha and not the release build |
| 08:44.43 | rwhitby | yes |
| 08:45.00 | rwhitby | it shows what's in the public feed |
| 08:45.29 | cryptk|werk | that is what I figured |
| 08:45.35 | cryptk|werk | I was hoping to see a changelog... |
| 08:45.40 | cryptk|werk | no biggie though |
| 08:46.14 | rwhitby | yep, syntax error somewhere in startup-assistant.js (found in emulator) |
| 08:46.24 | Kyusaku | yeah if you actually check the listing it shows installed version |
| 08:47.14 | rwhitby | doh! missing brace |
| 08:48.13 | Kyusaku | haha hate that. guilty of that so many times |
| 08:48.28 | rwhitby | will have an update in minutes |
| 08:48.54 | xcomp | ...and elementary is now in git |
| 08:49.01 | rwhitby | xcomp: awesome |
| 08:49.10 | xcomp | that concludes a hard day's work |
| 08:49.22 | rwhitby | ok, please re-run the bootstrap script and overwrite preware 0.9.15 |
| 08:50.49 | rwhitby | and we'll need someone new to make sure the changelog appears |
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| 08:50.52 | rwhitby | xcomp: have you updated yet? |
| 08:50.57 | dtzWill|away | holy damn the cross-compile has had a bunch of changes today. |
| 08:51.09 | dtzWill | wooooo. gj everyone :D |
| 08:51.16 | rwhitby | dtzWill: can you please run the preware-bootstrap script ? |
| 08:51.29 | rwhitby | dtzWill: accept alpha, and overwrite preware and ipkgservice |
| 08:52.25 | Kyusaku | doh locked up pre, need a min |
| 08:52.28 | swisstomcat1 | will rerun too |
| 08:52.50 | Kyusaku | silly Java service |
| 08:53.29 | dtzWill | rwhitby: the one at http://bit.ly/dDEMO ? |
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| 08:54.02 | rwhitby | dtzWill: http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap |
| 08:54.18 | rwhitby | (may well be the same) |
| 08:54.34 | swisstomcat1 | no change-log, but it works (no white screen) |
| 08:54.36 | dtzWill | kk |
| 08:54.52 | rwhitby | swisstomcat1: your cookie has 0.9.15 already, so no changelog |
| 08:54.53 | Kyusaku | same changelog skipped |
| 08:55.08 | rwhitby | yeah, same version |
| 08:55.09 | swisstomcat1 | rwhitby: good .. thumbs up then |
| 08:55.10 | dtzWill | rwhitby: something in particular you want me to check? |
| 08:55.24 | rwhitby | dtzWill: make sure the changelog appears |
| 08:55.30 | dtzWill | kk |
| 08:55.57 | dtzWill | rwhitby: it appeared, has info about 9.15 |
| 08:56.01 | rwhitby | swisstomcat1: what's in your list of feeds? |
| 08:56.03 | rwhitby | dtzWill: excellent |
| 08:56.23 | xcomp | i got 9.15 |
| 08:56.50 | swisstomcat1 | optware,palm-beta,palm-catalog,palm-web,precentral,webos-internals,webos-patches |
| 08:56.59 | rwhitby | good, the obsolete feeds have gone |
| 08:57.00 | swisstomcat1 | (not interested in themes) |
| 08:57.50 | rwhitby | swisstomcat1: confirm that partial app limit fix is off, and goes back to off if you try and turn it on (exit and reenter pref page to check) |
| 08:58.25 | rwhitby | (I've removed the script, but will remove the control next version) |
| 08:58.42 | rwhitby | (since it still works on 1.3.1 for those who have not updated to 1.3.5 yet) |
| 08:58.47 | swisstomcat1 | confirmed |
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| 09:00.24 | rwhitby | ok, let me know if you see any other oddities, thanks. |
| 09:00.29 | rwhitby | bbiab |
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| 09:10.50 | swisstomcat1 | installed preware on the emulator too |
| 09:11.04 | swisstomcat1 | had a wget error until i disabled the theme-feeds |
| 09:11.07 | swisstomcat1 | no other problems |
| 09:12.28 | rwhitby-pre | hmm - wonder why themes had a problem on the emulator ... |
| 09:13.42 | swisstomcat1 | good question |
| 09:13.47 | swisstomcat1 | i can enable those feeds again to test |
| 09:14.32 | swisstomcat1 | oh shoot |
| 09:14.51 | swisstomcat1 | palm-install gives "failed_not_enough_install_space" on the emulator :( |
| 09:15.45 | swisstomcat1 | can't reproduce the wget error tho (re-enabled the two themes-feeds) |
| 09:20.29 | rwhitby-pre | ok |
| 09:22.54 | swisstomcat1 | any ideas about "not enough install space"? |
| 09:32.07 | rwhitby-pre | is the emulator still 1.3.1? |
| 09:33.04 | swisstomcat1 | yeah |
| 09:33.18 | swisstomcat1 | no problems until today |
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| 09:38.06 | rwhitby-pre | try the 1.3.5 emulator |
| 09:38.15 | swisstomcat1 | yeah, downloading ... |
| 09:39.28 | swisstomcat1 | done |
| 09:39.30 | swisstomcat1 | let's try again |
| 09:41.19 | swisstomcat1 | all well again :) |
| 09:45.10 | rwhitby-pre | everyone around the world can upgrade to 1.3.5 now, right? |
| 09:45.28 | swisstomcat1 | think so |
| 09:45.34 | swisstomcat1 | i heard from mexico,india, etc. |
| 09:45.58 | rwhitby-pre | maybe I'll just remove the partial app limit fix toggle, and hide the add feed stuff. |
| 09:46.05 | rwhitby-pre | then do .16 |
| 09:46.35 | swisstomcat1 | would some people not upgrade for some reason? |
| 09:46.45 | swisstomcat1 | to 1.3.5.x |
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| 09:48.55 | rwhitby-pre | can't think of any good reason |
| 10:03.30 | idontwan2know-pr | that there isn't any good reason has never stopped people before |
| 10:04.46 | rwhitby-pre | yes, but that is then their problem if things break as a result |
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| 10:25.45 | rwhitby | 0.9.16 coming up soon .... |
| 10:39.10 | rwhitby | preware 0.9.16 now in the alpha testing feed |
| 10:39.22 | rwhitby | please test that the changelog appears |
| 10:44.38 | rwhitby | swisstomcat1: new version ready for testing if you're still around |
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| 11:09.34 | swisstomcat1 | yeah, i'm still around |
| 11:20.06 | rwhitby | swisstomcat1: if you give me the thumbs up on 0.9.16, I'll then push to the public |
| 11:20.38 | swisstomcat1 | wow, big responsibility :) |
| 11:21.14 | rwhitby | well, all I've done compared to 0.9.15 is just disabled some things :-) |
| 11:25.03 | swisstomcat1 | changelog shows up |
| 11:26.47 | rwhitby | check the preferences page to make sure the app limit fix is gone, and the manage feeds page to make sure the add new feed stuff is hidden |
| 11:27.26 | swisstomcat1 | check |
| 11:28.09 | rwhitby | sounds like we're good to go then |
| 11:28.18 | swisstomcat1 | thumbs up |
| 11:30.09 | swisstomcat1 | seems fine |
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| 11:51.54 | tmzt | app limit was fixed by Palm? |
| 11:52.39 | joshua | in 1.3.5 yeah |
| 11:54.21 | tmzt | good |
| 11:54.28 | tmzt | the raw limit or the weird one? |
| 11:55.37 | joshua | they store them in the usb partition now |
| 11:55.52 | swisstomcat1 | yeah |
| 11:56.10 | swisstomcat1 | lots of space for apps |
| 11:56.21 | swisstomcat1 | since those 3d apps can get really big |
| 11:57.47 | jettero | where does /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.optware come from? is that a preware thing? |
| 12:01.36 | tmzt | in fat? |
| 12:01.47 | tmzt | cute, why can't android do that? |
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| 12:05.41 | swisstomcat1 | it uses cryptfs |
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| 12:28.02 | swisstomcat1 | müesli? funny name |
| 12:28.22 | muesli | evening guys, i got a little issue with preware on the pre currently... i updated my phone to 1.3.5.2 yesterday. when i start preware now it tells me that the package manager service isn't running |
| 12:28.37 | muesli | i tried reinstalling it with webos quick install and followed the hint to reboot my phone if it still fails... to no avail tho |
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| 12:30.57 | muesli | sorry guys, connection just dropped. not sure if my messages arrived, so here i go once again |
| 12:31.00 | muesli | evening guys, i got a little issue with preware on the pre currently... i updated my phone to 1.3.5.2 yesterday. when i start preware now it tells me that the package manager service isn't running |
| 12:31.11 | muesli | i tried reinstalling it with webos quick install and followed the hint to reboot my phone if it still fails... to no avail tho |
| 12:31.17 | muesli | any help appreciated ;-) |
| 12:33.06 | rwhitby | jettero: org.webosinternals.optware is from the Optware Boostrap package in Preware |
| 12:33.48 | rwhitby | muesli: did you reinstall both preware 0.9.16 and the package manager service 0.9.30 ? |
| 12:33.55 | muesli | rwhitby: yes |
| 12:33.58 | rwhitby | muesli: did you use webos quick install 2.96 or later? |
| 12:34.04 | muesli | 2.96 it is, i think |
| 12:34.22 | rwhitby | did you reboot? |
| 12:34.26 | muesli | yes |
| 12:34.40 | rwhitby | ok, can you get a command line on the Pre? |
| 12:34.44 | muesli | gah. big fail. downloaded it from the forums, but it shows up as 2.6 in the about dialog |
| 12:35.00 | rwhitby | Has to be 2.96 or later |
| 12:35.00 | muesli | so i guess that link was outdated |
| 12:35.09 | rwhitby | which forum post? |
| 12:35.15 | muesli | rwhitby: did i mess up my filesystem when using 2.6? |
| 12:35.24 | muesli | (did it install it to the wrong path?) |
| 12:35.33 | rwhitby | muesli: it would have installed it to /var |
| 12:35.35 | muesli | rwhitby: precentral forums |
| 12:35.40 | swisstomcat1 | are you swiss, muesli? (because swiss people like müesli) :) |
| 12:35.45 | muesli | swisstomcat1: nope, german |
| 12:35.47 | rwhitby | you should use the same program to uninstall everything first |
| 12:35.56 | rwhitby | (use the Device Management menu) |
| 12:35.57 | muesli | rwhitby: cheers mate, will do |
| 12:36.02 | rwhitby | then upgrade Quick Install |
| 12:36.14 | rwhitby | then reboot and then reinstall everything |
| 12:36.29 | rwhitby | muesli: was it a Preware posting that pointed you to the wrong quick install? |
| 12:36.37 | rwhitby | (so I can fix it if it is) |
| 12:36.45 | muesli | wait, i'll try to find the message quickly |
| 12:36.45 | swisstomcat1 | rwhitby: what vm size do you recommend for a ubuntu server dev machine with pdk? |
| 12:37.28 | muesli | rwhitby: interestingly tho, when starting preware on the palm, it starts and shows up as 0.9.16... also, device management only shows the package manager service as being installed |
| 12:37.32 | rwhitby | I run a 20GB expandable virtual disk, but I NFS mount my /srv directory from the host. |
| 12:38.14 | rwhitby | muesli: yes, the palm code will be valiantly trying to migrate it for you ... |
| 12:38.16 | swisstomcat1 | i see |
| 12:38.21 | muesli | gotcha |
| 12:39.14 | rwhitby | swisstomcat1: are you able to do a Preware 0.9.16 and Package Manager Service 0.9.30 announcement on the German forum you were on the other day? |
| 12:39.23 | swisstomcat1 | sure |
| 12:39.27 | rwhitby | (and point me to the posting please?) |
| 12:39.37 | swisstomcat1 | can i take the english text as a base? |
| 12:40.01 | muesli | rwhitby: do you have the latest webos quick install for me quickly? |
| 12:41.06 | swisstomcat1 | if there's an english announcement text? |
| 12:41.16 | rwhitby | muesli: http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-software/206905-webos-quick-install-v2-96-a.html |
| 12:41.40 | muesli | rwhitby: many thanks. will try to the find the old posting that i "fell for". just don't have it on this machine's history :/ |
| 12:42.06 | rwhitby | swisstomcat1: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps-software/224448-preware-now-reads-palm-app-catalog-feeds.html (and tell them to follow @webosinternals on twitter) |
| 12:42.35 | rwhitby | swisstomcat1: that post is best, due to the pictures. |
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| 12:42.48 | rwhitby | swisstomcat1: wiki page is at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware |
| 12:42.52 | swisstomcat1 | allright |
| 12:42.58 | muesli | rwhitby: nice, working again |
| 12:43.05 | muesli | two more questions tho :) |
| 12:43.30 | muesli | 1. are there any issues / precautions to take when keeping my palm pre with dev mode being enabled? |
| 12:43.43 | rwhitby | swisstomcat1: http://forums.precentral.net/2150770-post4799.html has the changelog |
| 12:43.59 | rwhitby | muesli: none, other than a small memory footprint |
| 12:44.00 | muesli | 2. i also noticed a few others services seem missing / not running now. e.g. the terminal service. is there an easy way to let preware fix those missing packages automagically? |
| 12:44.09 | rwhitby | muesli: EMH |
| 12:44.41 | muesli | rwhitby: i guess that's part of the problem. emh didnt help me after i updated my phone yesterday, so i had to doctor it |
| 12:45.02 | muesli | that's why the services aren't running anymore (i assume) |
| 12:46.02 | rwhitby | yeah, you'll probably need to reinstall them then. |
| 12:46.20 | muesli | rwhitby: thanks again :) |
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| 12:56.31 | swisstomcat1 | rwhitby: http://www.nexave.de/forum/38131-neues-preware-zeigt-nun-auch-die-applikationen-aus-dem-palm-app-katalog.html |
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| 12:58.02 | rwhitby | swisstomcat1: in a tweet, how would I say "In German:" ? |
| 12:58.07 | rwhitby | (in german( |
| 12:58.12 | swisstomcat1 | auf deutsch |
| 12:58.22 | rwhitby | Auf Deutsch: ? |
| 12:58.35 | swisstomcat1 | what do you want to write? |
| 12:58.45 | rwhitby | Auf Deutsch: http://www.nexave.de/forum/38131-neues-preware-zeigt-nun-auch-die-applikationen-aus-dem-palm-app-katalog.html |
| 12:59.07 | swisstomcat1 | sounds good |
| 12:59.15 | swisstomcat1 | wait |
| 12:59.24 | rwhitby | yes? |
| 12:59.46 | swisstomcat1 | in deutsch is probably better |
| 12:59.54 | swisstomcat1 | auf deutsch is swiss-german :) |
| 12:59.57 | swisstomcat1 | don't ask |
| 13:00.15 | rwhitby | no, I know about swiss-german :-) |
| 13:00.30 | rwhitby | so: |
| 13:00.31 | rwhitby | In Deutsch: http://www.nexave.de/forum/38131-neues-preware-zeigt-nun-auch-die-applikationen-aus-dem-palm-app-katalog.html |
| 13:00.50 | rwhitby | ? |
| 13:01.08 | swisstomcat1 | yup |
| 13:01.41 | rwhitby | thx |
| 13:03.29 | destinal-wirc | rwhitby: morning |
| 13:03.41 | rwhitby | hey |
| 13:03.51 | rwhitby | finally finished the Preware release :-) |
| 13:04.20 | destinal-wirc | yeah read backlog. |
| 13:04.24 | destinal-wirc | cool |
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| 13:12.38 | dtzWill | has anyone had any success profiling with the codesourcery toolchain? it causes the code to segfault immediately :( |
| 13:13.00 | swisstomcat1 | rwhitby: 73 users are reading the german announcement post at the moment |
| 13:15.56 | FreeTim | thanks rwhitby. Seemed to upgrade fine no issues. |
| 13:16.25 | rwhitby | FreeTim: excellent. that's what I like to hear |
| 13:17.18 | FreeTim | i notice that some apps in the Catalog aren't in Preware, is that expected? needforspeed, glyde to name two |
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| 13:18.09 | rwhitby | yeah, they don't seem to be in the XML feed from Palm for some reason |
| 13:22.59 | dBsooner | mornin |
| 13:23.28 | dBsooner | rwhitby: how do I add the git browser to trac? |
| 13:23.57 | rwhitby | dBsooner: you told me you didn't want git? |
| 13:24.06 | dBsooner | at that time. ;) |
| 13:24.48 | dBsooner | but i got a git setup now.. http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/webos-patches-web-portal.git |
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| 13:26.52 | rwhitby | dunno how to do a remote repository |
| 13:26.59 | dBsooner | oh |
| 13:27.35 | dBsooner | well you told me to put it on gitorious. But I guess it really doesn't matter. I just thought it would be cool to have the source browseable in the Trac. |
| 13:27.43 | FreeTim1 | wifi hotspot won't be coming to Palm Pre, just on the Plus - ? |
| 13:28.30 | dBsooner | FreeTim1: I am sure we can figure out how to engineer it on the Pre. ;) |
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| 13:30.01 | rwhitby | dBsooner: www/webos-patches.git is now availabke |
| 13:32.15 | rwhitby | dBsooner: and the Trac browses it now |
| 13:32.53 | dBsooner | cool! thanks rwhitby! |
| 13:33.10 | FreeTim1 | right now, I know it's lame, but I still use a plain old linux script to do tethering via bluetooth |
| 13:33.26 | dBsooner | Sorry, was looking for my old desk phone that has a speakerphone and mute button.. |
| 13:33.31 | FreeTim1 | It's not too ideal though... would prefer a button press :) |
| 13:33.45 | dBsooner | I have a weekly conference call I have to attend every wednesday for the next 3 months. |
| 13:33.58 | rwhitby | bbt - night all |
| 13:34.00 | dBsooner | And wednesday's are my day off, so I hav eto do it from home. And I need that phone. |
| 13:34.03 | dBsooner | nite rwhitby! |
| 13:35.35 | swisstomcat1 | night rwhitby |
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| 13:39.58 | atlanta | good morning |
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| 13:42.08 | raghuk | hi |
| 13:42.11 | raghuk | how to handle a scene "ESC" event ... ? any one |
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| 13:45.11 | FreeTim1 | like, when someone merely closes it by swiping up, or something else? |
| 13:46.26 | raghuk | yea .. like in contacts ... when a user adds a name and swips up ... it adds to list .. |
| 13:46.30 | raghuk | like that |
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| 13:51.29 | raghuk | any one can help here ? |
| 13:53.44 | destinal-wirc | raghuk: this is more a question for #webos |
| 13:54.06 | swisstomcat1 | i can try to help you over there |
| 13:54.14 | destinal-wirc | lots more people there for mojo development |
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| 14:04.25 | sampson | hrm |
| 14:04.35 | sampson | why doesn't palm-package remember files that you give +x to? |
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| 14:06.01 | sdodson | Anyone else having Luna crash when you flick off the terminal? |
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| 14:09.30 | dtzWill | sdodson: everyone, unfortunately. seems to be related to sdl apps, or at least the way we launch them. |
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| 14:22.51 | destinal-wirc | sdodson: actually it's related to changes in luna graphics |
| 14:23.39 | destinal-wirc | terminals drawing method is subtly wrong |
| 14:25.42 | destinal-wirc | in a benign way before but apparently the change in 135 for graphics broke our assumptions |
| 14:26.06 | Toaster89 | do I have to webOSinstall the new preware? |
| 14:26.34 | destinal-wirc | do you already have preware? |
| 14:26.38 | Toaster89 | yeah |
| 14:26.47 | destinal-wirc | if so you can upgrade in preware |
| 14:26.58 | Toaster89 | ahh k |
| 14:27.00 | Toaster89 | :) |
| 14:28.16 | Toaster89 | are there any new apps? |
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| 14:30.46 | sdodson | dtzWill, destinal-wirc : Good to head it's not just me, I guess. Thanks. |
| 14:31.54 | destinal-wirc | I'll take a look, I think I know how it's crashing |
| 14:33.23 | Toaster89 | it doesnt crash all the time on my pre |
| 14:34.32 | sdodson | This may be anecdotal but it seems to only crash when I have atleast one more card open. |
| 14:34.43 | sdodson | Err, something other than just terminal open. |
| 14:35.38 | Toaster89 | it crashes for me after I run my app and it crashes |
| 14:35.45 | Toaster89 | I always asummed it was cause my app crashed |
| 14:36.29 | destinal-wirc | toaster89 sdl or mojo app? |
| 14:36.52 | Toaster89 | sdl |
| 14:36.59 | Toaster89 | scummvm in fact. |
| 14:37.23 | Toaster89 | actually if scummvm crashes it takes luna with it |
| 14:37.28 | Toaster89 | but if I close scummvm |
| 14:37.37 | dtzWill | Toaster89: same happens when i was working on quake and it crashed, etc |
| 14:37.47 | Toaster89 | then try to close the it, that is when it crashes |
| 14:38.00 | Toaster89 | er |
| 14:38.03 | Toaster89 | yeah |
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| 14:38.39 | destinal-wirc | I think the sdl is commonly related |
| 14:38.40 | Toaster89 | like as soon as I swipe up it just freezes and luna resets |
| 14:38.43 | Toaster89 | yeah me too |
| 14:41.10 | destinal-wirc | anyone having crashes with using terminal but no native apps/games running? |
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| 14:43.15 | destinal-wirc | or with just official native games? |
| 14:43.30 | destinal-wirc | we don't autopause |
| 14:43.47 | Toaster89 | let me try running nfs and the terminal |
| 14:43.48 | destinal-wirc | could be part of it |
| 14:44.59 | Toaster89 | uh oh got the too many cards open error even though I have no cards open :P |
| 14:45.25 | destinal-wirc | reboot |
| 14:45.25 | Toaster89 | yeah doing that now |
| 14:45.39 | Toaster89 | hopefully thats all fixed in 1.4 |
| 14:45.39 | Toaster89 | first time its happened to me though |
| 14:45.39 | destinal-wirc | it's a ram check |
| 14:45.56 | Toaster89 | yeah the memory leaks right? |
| 14:46.00 | Toaster89 | in luna? |
| 14:46.15 | destinal-wirc | could be |
| 14:46.29 | destinal-wirc | also |
| 14:46.56 | destinal-wirc | can you try scummvm and classic? |
| 14:47.08 | Toaster89 | I dont have classic |
| 14:47.17 | Toaster89 | costs money right? |
| 14:47.29 | destinal-wirc | demo is free |
| 14:47.33 | destinal-wirc | trial |
| 14:47.55 | Toaster89 | I could try it |
| 14:48.05 | Toaster89 | pretty sure it works |
| 14:48.08 | Toaster89 | i've seen other people us it |
| 14:48.10 | Toaster89 | use* |
| 14:48.41 | destinal-wirc | maybe it's all graphical brpwser plugins |
| 14:48.45 | Toaster89 | hmm didnt crash with need for speed open |
| 14:48.50 | destinal-wirc | and our sdl |
| 14:49.07 | Toaster89 | let me try with doom |
| 14:49.13 | Toaster89 | oh wait.. |
| 14:49.17 | Toaster89 | luna just crashed :O |
| 14:49.40 | destinal-wirc | before or after doom |
| 14:50.05 | Toaster89 | I swiped terminal up then closed nfs and clicked the app launcer button and it crashed |
| 14:50.59 | destinal-wirc | oh so you haf not yet clicked doom icon, |
| 14:51.17 | Toaster89 | yeah |
| 14:51.25 | destinal-wirc | ok |
| 14:51.39 | destinal-wirc | so not just our sdl |
| 14:52.35 | Toaster89 | yeah |
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| 14:54.49 | Toaster89 | how do install apps in classic? :P |
| 14:55.12 | destinal-wirc | do you mind killing luna, running it in the foreground, causing another crash and pastebin? |
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| 14:55.36 | Toaster89 | not sure how to do that but I can try |
| 14:56.11 | destinal-wirc | stop LunaSysMgr; LunaSysMgr |
| 14:56.21 | destinal-wirc | in ssh |
| 14:56.32 | destinal-wirc | or novaterm |
| 14:57.22 | Toaster89 | in windows? |
| 14:57.39 | Toaster89 | I dont have my vm running atm |
| 14:58.04 | destinal-wirc | get novaterm for win |
| 14:58.20 | Toaster89 | oh hmm can I do it with webOSinstall it has a terminal thingy? |
| 14:58.22 | destinal-wirc | on wiki |
| 14:58.48 | destinal-wirc | can it copy paste? |
| 14:59.44 | Toaster89 | yes |
| 14:59.49 | destinal-wirc | you need to pastebin output |
| 15:00.06 | destinal-wirc | kk |
| 15:00.13 | Toaster89 | I mean I can paste into it |
| 15:00.25 | tlp | That Preware update makes Preware give me wget errors |
| 15:00.32 | destinal-wirc | eh |
| 15:00.36 | Toaster89 | its rather basic |
| 15:00.38 | tlp | gotta go |
| 15:00.40 | Toaster89 | I'll get novaterm |
| 15:00.40 | destinal-wirc | you need copy |
| 15:00.51 | destinal-wirc | from it |
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| 15:02.56 | Toaster89 | okay I'm in |
| 15:03.34 | Toaster89 | I stopped luna |
| 15:03.37 | Toaster89 | what now? |
| 15:03.43 | doohan | Is it possible to install preware on a o2 uk pre? |
| 15:04.13 | destinal-wirc | just run LunaSysMgr |
| 15:04.24 | destinal-wirc | no "start" |
| 15:04.41 | Toaster89 | ok it auto started up though |
| 15:04.46 | destinal-wirc | jusy lunasys..vby itself |
| 15:04.54 | destinal-wirc | uh |
| 15:04.56 | destinal-wirc | no |
| 15:05.20 | destinal-wirc | "stop LunaSysMgr" |
| 15:05.32 | destinal-wirc | just like that |
| 15:05.49 | Toaster89 | says: stop: (01233/280180664) Job not changed: LunaSysMgr |
| 15:06.32 | destinal-wirc | ok and luna should be off |
| 15:06.39 | Toaster89 | ok |
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| 15:06.54 | Toaster89 | now just type: "LunaSysMgr" ? |
| 15:06.56 | destinal-wirc | it may look on but nothing will happen when clicked |
| 15:07.01 | Toaster89 | yeah |
| 15:07.03 | destinal-wirc | yep |
| 15:07.17 | Toaster89 | ok its doing stuff now |
| 15:08.04 | Toaster89 | alright |
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| 15:08.12 | Toaster89 | now do the same thing I did before to get it to crash? |
| 15:08.17 | destinal-wirc | yup |
| 15:08.33 | Toaster89 | oh sweet I can debug scummvm this way :) |
| 15:08.55 | Toaster89 | okay nfs is loading up |
| 15:09.39 | Toaster89 | got it crash again |
| 15:09.42 | doohan | Is there a way to install preware without webos doctor? |
| 15:10.10 | destinal-wirc | toaster |
| 15:10.31 | destinal-wirc | pastebin last many lines |
| 15:10.41 | swisstomcat1 | doohan: if you have the sdk installed, yes |
| 15:10.48 | doohan | I do have the sdk isntalled |
| 15:11.13 | swisstomcat1 | novacom -t open tty:// |
| 15:11.27 | swisstomcat1 | to an usb connected pre |
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| 15:11.53 | Toaster89 | http://webos.pastebin.com/m52407ffe |
| 15:11.57 | Toaster89 | hope this helps :D |
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| 15:12.32 | karotte_exee | hi, I'm back |
| 15:12.58 | swisstomcat1 | rehi |
| 15:13.12 | doohan | swisstomcat1, hmm get's me a failed to connect |
| 15:13.15 | bpadalino|work | nice segfault |
| 15:13.18 | karotte_exee | ahm. about "free tether".I have now this "bootstrap" for preware. and now |
| 15:13.22 | doohan | Would isntalling an update disable dev mode? |
| 15:13.40 | swisstomcat1 | doohan: i your pre connected via usb? |
| 15:13.46 | doohan | yup |
| 15:13.46 | Rick_work | doohan it isn't supposed to, but you can check by typing webos20090606 |
| 15:14.11 | swisstomcat1 | karotte: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:14.19 | doohan | hmm odd |
| 15:14.24 | karotte_exee | usb-tethering |
| 15:14.47 | karotte_exee | come you from swizerland? |
| 15:15.12 | swisstomcat1 | yeah |
| 15:15.38 | karotte_exee | I'm near to you :) lake of constance |
| 15:15.58 | doohan | Hmm something is going on with linux being stupid with usb |
| 15:16.20 | swisstomcat1 | at the other side of the lake than me probably ... |
| 15:16.22 | karotte_exee | what ist the problem doohan? |
| 15:16.25 | Rick_work | doohan, if you're on linux, try this: novaterm |
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| 15:16.46 | karotte_exee | I'm near constanz |
| 15:16.47 | doohan | Well gnome is trying to mount it as a disk when I plug it in |
| 15:17.02 | swisstomcat1 | strange |
| 15:17.06 | Rick_work | doohan oooops. |
| 15:17.09 | doohan | Yeah |
| 15:17.15 | doohan | Bit of a nuasance |
| 15:17.17 | swisstomcat1 | it should only do that if you select "usb drive mode" |
| 15:17.23 | destinal-wirc | toaster: thanks it does help, but it looks like I must have debugging output off in latest termplugin |
| 15:17.33 | doohan | I know, but I think it's more gnome than the pre being strange |
| 15:17.43 | Rick_work | doohan you may need to re-run the sdk install. |
| 15:17.54 | doohan | I'll give that a go |
| 15:18.05 | Toaster89 | destinal: no problem :) |
| 15:19.33 | karotte_exee | hm, who suggest me to install the "bootstrapo"? (that was befor 10 hours) |
| 15:19.50 | karotte_exee | *bootstrap" |
| 15:20.15 | swisstomcat1 | karotte: that was for getting the latest preware installed |
| 15:20.26 | swisstomcat1 | to install homebrew stuff afterwards |
| 15:20.49 | karotte_exee | I know. but why? ok, now I can get alpha versions, but why? |
| 15:21.14 | swisstomcat1 | probably to test the alpha version of preware |
| 15:21.18 | KEYofR | dest: terminal debug? is there now a debug version I should install and send you it's logs? |
| 15:21.39 | doohan | brb trying kde |
| 15:21.50 | karotte_exee | I have it already,but don't know how to use usb or wifi |
| 15:21.59 | PuffTheMagic | morning |
| 15:22.04 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: ping |
| 15:22.05 | destinal-wirc | key: will build one in a few |
| 15:22.10 | KEYofR | hiya puff |
| 15:22.12 | karotte_exee | hi |
| 15:22.14 | PuffTheMagic | hi |
| 15:22.21 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic pong |
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| 15:22.32 | swisstomcat1 | karotte: preware doesn't have anything to do with usb or wifi ... you can install homebrew programs with it |
| 15:22.38 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: did you see my messages in the -ops channel about a "text editor" |
| 15:22.40 | swisstomcat1 | unless freetether is on preware? |
| 15:23.02 | PuffTheMagic | swisstomcat1: its in the testing feed |
| 15:23.05 | karotte_exee | jes, now it is |
| 15:23.09 | PuffTheMagic | swisstomcat1: but a new version will be out in a few weeks |
| 15:23.10 | karotte_exee | *yes |
| 15:23.10 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic I did see that. |
| 15:23.29 | swisstomcat1 | so freetether supports usb and wifi tethering |
| 15:23.34 | Rick_work | a notepad level text editor on the machine with file access would be a huge step forward. |
| 15:23.35 | PuffTheMagic | swisstomcat1: usb and bt |
| 15:23.38 | PuffTheMagic | no wifi at the moment |
| 15:23.42 | destinal-wirc | somehow I totally saw rick using wordstar in dosbox ;) |
| 15:23.47 | swisstomcat1 | allright |
| 15:23.55 | swisstomcat1 | 1.3.5.2 has now bt pan support |
| 15:23.58 | karotte_exee | PuffTheMagic: how can I use usb? |
| 15:24.05 | PuffTheMagic | karotte_exee: usbnet |
| 15:24.12 | karotte_exee | ? |
| 15:24.16 | karotte_exee | now it |
| 15:24.19 | karotte_exee | but |
| 15:24.22 | Rick_work | destinal-wirc I intend to use SOMETHING on dosbox once I figure out how to edit KEYBINDINGS on dosbox, because right now, it ignores orange-key and sym-key |
| 15:24.28 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: u dont care about any formatting like font size/bold/italics... spellchecking (possibly inline) |
| 15:24.55 | karotte_exee | it didn't works with "mytether". so why should it di with free tether |
| 15:25.13 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic I'll deal with that crap later. But a straight text-editor would be huge. At a minimum it lets us edit json files, ini files etc etc ON THE PHONE without screwing with terminal |
| 15:25.26 | destinal-wirc | mytether is evil |
| 15:25.35 | karotte_exee | I know |
| 15:25.51 | Toaster89 | mytether is evil |
| 15:25.54 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: isnt that a security risk if I allow any file to be editied |
| 15:25.59 | PuffTheMagic | and not just stuff on /media/internal |
| 15:26.00 | Toaster89 | I think it was made by sprint tbh |
| 15:26.13 | Rick_work | karotte_exee when tethering, other than via wifi, you have to enable usbnet on the desktop and on the phone. |
| 15:26.15 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: so syntax hilighting would be needed :D |
| 15:26.22 | destinal-wirc | puff: in a native app? no |
| 15:26.34 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic I'm not suggesting that you enable file access outside /media/internal |
| 15:26.35 | destinal-wirc | no security risk |
| 15:26.47 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic you can absolutely use terminal to mv files as needed. |
| 15:26.53 | karotte_exee | PuffTheMagic: ok, first step! connect to pc and just charge. right? |
| 15:27.06 | Rick_work | but no terminal editor is reasonably touch-screen responsive to drags and taps. |
| 15:27.12 | destinal-wirc | terminal is a security risk? |
| 15:27.24 | PuffTheMagic | karotte_exee: if you are on windows i cant/wont help you get a usbnet driver working, there shoudl be plenty of tutorials that explain that |
| 15:27.40 | Rick_work | karotte_exee what os are you on, I'll help you |
| 15:27.47 | karotte_exee | I have the drive |
| 15:27.54 | karotte_exee | and know how to install |
| 15:28.42 | karotte_exee | is it normal that I haven't a ip by usb? |
| 15:29.17 | CoolMatty | Rick_work: I too would really, really like a good text editor (bonus points for syntax highlighting and remote file editing (ftp or SFTP) |
| 15:29.41 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: i think i will use a text editor as my first Evas app for the pre so that I can learn on that before i start porting wIRC |
| 15:30.14 | CoolMatty | why are you porting wIRC? |
| 15:30.28 | Rick_work | that would be good PuffTheMagic pay particular attention to highlighting text and using standard mojo-style menu for edit/cut/copy/paste please..... |
| 15:30.30 | PuffTheMagic | CoolMatty: i will get a Trac up for the editor so that you guys can start putting ideas on it |
| 15:30.54 | Rick_work | Why the editor before terminal PuffTheMagic ??? |
| 15:30.57 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: i think i can "emulate" most of the mojo-style stuff |
| 15:31.16 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: terminal alredy works and is not my code, all I need to do to that is "imporove it" |
| 15:31.21 | PuffTheMagic | which i still will be doing |
| 15:31.23 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic I'm sure you can. I'm just pointing out the one place that I think that's very nessesary. |
| 15:31.27 | PuffTheMagic | but its not a "from scratch" thing |
| 15:31.40 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic Ok, thanks. |
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| 15:31.53 | CoolMatty | not just the menu though |
| 15:31.59 | CoolMatty | make sure it works with the shift select too |
| 15:32.09 | PuffTheMagic | the editor is from scrach (since I am gonna have it support Latex) and have buttons to build pdfs :D |
| 15:32.16 | PuffTheMagic | might even support bibtex |
| 15:32.18 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 15:33.04 | Rick_work | karotte_exee I did not understand your question about IP addresses. |
| 15:33.06 | CoolMatty | frankly the most I'd use it for is making config edits on another server, if possible |
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| 15:33.45 | Rick_work | karotte_exee see pm |
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| 15:35.05 | doohan | The problem was that novacomd wasn't running |
| 15:35.20 | Rick_work | doohan that'll do it. |
| 15:35.26 | doohan | So what's next? |
| 15:35.30 | Rick_work | doohan, novaterm |
| 15:35.33 | doohan | Yup |
| 15:35.43 | Rick_work | cd /tmp |
| 15:35.55 | Rick_work | wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap |
| 15:35.55 | Rick_work | sh preware-bootstrap |
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| 15:36.21 | Rick_work | simple dimple and you're done. |
| 15:36.25 | PuffTheMagic | you guys need to think of a cool name of this editor |
| 15:36.28 | doohan | Do I want to include alpha stuff? |
| 15:36.36 | doohan | Rick-home, that is simple thanks :) |
| 15:36.49 | Rick_work | doohan do you want to? ((( I would ))) |
| 15:37.10 | doohan | ok dokey |
| 15:37.15 | CoolMatty | PuffTheMagic: Preditor |
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| 15:37.18 | CoolMatty | sounds like predator! |
| 15:37.22 | doohan | :) |
| 15:37.24 | CoolMatty | and everyone liked predator! |
| 15:37.29 | doohan | Woo setup complete |
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| 15:39.07 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic Magic-Edit, Evas-ive edit, Puffy Edit |
| 15:40.27 | Rick_work | we could start a series: Puffy Term, Puffy Edit, Puffy PDF, Puffy Backup -- it could be like a BRAND.... |
| 15:40.33 | doohan | Wow, that's a lot of available pacakges |
| 15:40.36 | karotte_exee | Rick_work: am by the regiister usb (free tether) say the program that I haven't a ip (null) |
| 15:40.49 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: an office suit |
| 15:40.54 | doohan | WebOs internals PDK? |
| 15:40.56 | PuffTheMagic | i can make a spreadsheet tool |
| 15:41.08 | Rick_work | Puffy Suite. |
| 15:41.16 | CoolMatty | Puffy Office 2010! |
| 15:41.20 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 15:41.23 | Rick_work | karotte_exee please see private message -- |
| 15:41.40 | CoolMatty | I still like preditor though >.> |
| 15:43.06 | doohan | Preditor does sound cool |
| 15:43.42 | PuffTheMagic | makes me think of a pedofile |
| 15:43.53 | PuffTheMagic | xcomp: how come raster is never in #e |
| 15:45.28 | xcomp | PuffTheMagic: he's just in a very different timezone |
| 15:45.49 | xcomp | you probably have a better chance of catching him in #edevelop when he signs on |
| 15:47.14 | doohan | How come stuff like asphalt 5 is in preware? |
| 15:47.23 | doohan | I take it in the uk that just won't work? |
| 15:47.41 | doohan | Or is there a way to pay for it? |
| 15:51.23 | swisstomcat1 | doohan: it shows up but you can't install it |
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| 15:52.08 | doohan | swisstomcat1, that's fair enough :) |
| 15:52.13 | doohan | I'm getting my doom on just now |
| 15:52.21 | PuffTheMagic | join #edevelop |
| 15:52.23 | PuffTheMagic | opp |
| 15:52.32 | PuffTheMagic | xcomp: what tz is he in? |
| 15:52.32 | swisstomcat1 | hehe |
| 15:53.53 | xcomp | PuffTheMagic: unless he has changed his zip code recently, I believe JP |
| 15:53.53 | doohan | doh it failed to install |
| 15:54.11 | doohan | connection timed out |
| 15:54.25 | doohan | tries again |
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| 15:55.49 | Rick_work | because preware is now reading the Palm open feeds. |
| 15:56.06 | Rick_work | and yes, it won't work. :-) unless you have re-jiggered your phone to have a US based palm profile |
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| 15:56.18 | Rick_work | which --- can ---- be done. PM rwhitby when he gets up |
| 15:56.35 | karotte_exe | rick_work: I'm bak |
| 15:56.38 | karotte_exe | *back |
| 15:56.48 | doohan | Doom runs really well |
| 15:57.38 | swisstomcat1 | quake too |
| 15:57.40 | swisstomcat1 | supertux too |
| 15:57.47 | doohan | Bout to try em all :) |
| 15:58.07 | karotte_exe | rick_work: can I now conect? |
| 15:59.19 | PuffTheMagic | xcomp: so he is on rod's schedule then for the most part |
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| 15:59.40 | PuffTheMagic | xcomp: i wanted to ping him about elementary and find out the status of some of the widgets he has on his todo list |
| 15:59.42 | Rick_work | karotte_exe see private again |
| 15:59.55 | PuffTheMagic | like the carousel selector |
| 15:59.56 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 16:00.32 | karotte_exe | don't know how to open a privat channel. coul you send my a dm? |
| 16:00.48 | Rick_work | done |
| 16:01.35 | karotte_exe | there is nothing :( |
| 16:01.59 | Rick_work | karotte_exe in freether ensure that usbnet and nat are enabled, and if so, plug in the pre. |
| 16:02.02 | psykoz | So |
| 16:02.18 | Rick_work | your desktop should then notice a new device, and go through installing the usbnet drivers. |
| 16:02.22 | psykoz | Would it ever be possible to have Preware on palm's open installer rss feed? |
| 16:02.29 | psykoz | or rather their webchannel whatever |
| 16:02.32 | Rick_work | once that is done, you should have an IP address on the USB NET |
| 16:02.57 | xcomp | psykoz: I'm not sure that's a good idea |
| 16:03.32 | xcomp | psykoz: Not everyone needs to have a Ferrarri |
| 16:04.03 | psykoz | Why isn't that a good idea? It gets Preware in an installable state over the web rather than having to deal with quickinstall, java, connecting your phone, devmode, etc.. |
| 16:04.09 | psykoz | (if that's possible) |
| 16:04.54 | xcomp | psykoz: because then you'd have random clueless teenagers and grandmas installing patches and then complaining to palm because they updated and their phone broke |
| 16:04.59 | doohan | Quake runs pretty damn good |
| 16:05.39 | Rick_work | doohan, yes it does. |
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| 16:05.50 | psykoz | xcomp, it's likely those same teenboppers and grandmas won't even be looking for that app or what it does, unless palm eventually adds a "beta" section in the app catalog (which I don't see why they would do that?) |
| 16:05.50 | doohan | Going to take a bit to get used to the controls though |
| 16:05.56 | Rick_work | psykoz we can get a LIMITED version of preware into the app cat. |
| 16:06.06 | Rick_work | but not a FULL version. |
| 16:06.13 | psykoz | rick_work, limited in what way (?) |
| 16:06.29 | Rick_work | no way to install hombrew without installing the full version. |
| 16:06.59 | psykoz | have to strip out some of the things it doesn't because they don't conform to Palm's sdk or anything? |
| 16:07.00 | psykoz | s/doesn't/does/ |
| 16:07.27 | xcomp | there is also that little problem |
| 16:08.02 | xcomp | apps in palm's catalog are "palm sanctioned" and stuff that uses undocumented apis is generally rejected |
| 16:08.13 | xcomp | see: NaNPlayer |
| 16:08.13 | Rick_work | exactly |
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| 16:08.47 | psykoz | Nod |
| 16:08.59 | xcomp | it's too bad we never got to see that app |
| 16:09.09 | Rick_work | the absolutely minimum install process for preware is |
| 16:09.26 | Rick_work | a) Install SDK b) Run novaterm c) type 3 lines. |
| 16:09.52 | Rick_work | if you can't do that, or can't run webos-quick-install then you can't get the full preware |
| 16:10.09 | Rick_work | Palm security sees this as the way that "normal people" will never screw with their phones like we do. |
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| 16:10.21 | Rick_work | it's a hoop to jump through that keeps us in good standing with Palm. |
| 16:10.29 | Kyusaku | too bad you didn't see the app |
| 16:10.32 | Rick_work | Palm loves us. We don't want to screw that up. |
| 16:10.33 | destinal | Rick_work: and furthermore we have no choice :P |
| 16:10.34 | Kyusaku | <.< |
| 16:10.37 | Kyusaku | >.> |
| 16:10.45 | destinal | Rick_work: that is, we don't build the device |
| 16:10.50 | lmorchard | That install process seems like a decent initial clue filter |
| 16:11.30 | Rick_work | destinal we do too. We could violate palm's IP, we could include novacom drivers in an installer, and make 3 self-running installers that didn't require the doctor or the sdk. But we will not do that. Because we WANT palm to continue to love us. |
| 16:11.51 | destinal | Rick_work: oh, we could include novacom drivers without violating any IP |
| 16:11.54 | destinal | just our own |
| 16:12.19 | Rick_work | destinal ok, we could if we had them. i didn't think we HAD 3rd party windows drivers only linux. |
| 16:12.47 | destinal | well they'd work under windows with some cygwin libs |
| 16:12.59 | destinal | it's been tested |
| 16:13.23 | Rick_work | destinal so we would have to have a huge-freaking installer with all that . :-) Oh joy. |
| 16:13.28 | destinal | we could totally package up a magic native installer for all platforms |
| 16:13.33 | Rick_work | and then Brian H would really hate us. which is a bad idea. |
| 16:13.43 | destinal | and no it's small, there's a group that makes openssh with cygwin |
| 16:13.51 | destinal | just a few libs |
| 16:13.55 | Rick_work | destinal interesting. |
| 16:14.03 | destinal | Rick_work: I don't think he'd hate us |
| 16:14.06 | destinal | why do you think that? |
| 16:14.16 | destinal | the 'bright line" is dev mode |
| 16:14.41 | Rick_work | destinal Brian's exact words are "I don't really mind that you guys are doing this because normal people will never get to the stuff you're doing and if geeks break their phones that's ok, they can fix them. " |
| 16:14.56 | destinal | well, still, normal people will never enable dev mode |
| 16:15.26 | Rick_work | heheheh I heard someone the other day equate dev mode with jailbreaking. |
| 16:15.37 | destinal | actually in a way it's the same thing as iphone jailbreaking, it can be really easy but that first step scares away 50 - 80% |
| 16:15.38 | Rick_work | and that palm couldn't really WANT you to do that. |
| 16:15.44 | Kyusaku | unless they really like contra |
| 16:16.11 | destinal | oh no it says dev |
| 16:16.12 | destinal | scary |
| 16:16.21 | Rick_work | I pointed out that palm made it easier to do, and they said that that was not the point. :-) |
| 16:16.58 | destinal | Rick_work: lol, yeah, but the fact that we get mentioned warmly in keynote speeches probably helps your point :) |
| 16:17.26 | Rick_work | ya think? |
| 16:18.28 | destinal | Palm is very much not apple. They don't seem to enjoy trying to beat down their strongest platform advocates / enthusiasts. instead, they think what we're doing to push the limits of the platform is cool |
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| 16:19.31 | Rick_work | has anyone looked at the bluetooth tethering in 1.3.5.2 yet? |
| 16:19.47 | destinal | Rick_work: Rod was a little bit |
| 16:19.54 | Rick_work | bbiab |
| 16:19.58 | destinal | Rick_work: I'm playing more with mobilehotspotd which may be the same thing |
| 16:20.19 | Kyusaku | Apple couldn't care less about their customers, all they want is their money |
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| 16:20.45 | destinal | Rick_work: do an ifconfig -a on a 1.3.5+ pre sometime |
| 16:20.47 | sdodson | Do you think Palm would be this open if they were a stronger market player? |
| 16:20.56 | sdodson | I think that has a lot to do with the situation. |
| 16:21.12 | destinal | I have 15 network interfaces (13 bridges, eth0 / wifi, and one other) not counting usbnet |
| 16:21.31 | doohan | is there an ssh client in preware? |
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| 16:21.55 | en0x | use terminal |
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| 16:23.06 | en0x | so far i'm happy with the palm catalog.. i haven;t had to pay for NFSU :) |
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| 16:23.21 | en0x | i downladed it thru app catalog |
| 16:23.29 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: wtf, why so many interfaces |
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| 16:23.34 | PuffTheMagic | oh |
| 16:23.35 | PuffTheMagic | nm |
| 16:23.37 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: mobilehotspotd |
| 16:23.38 | PuffTheMagic | i read up |
| 16:23.54 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: take some notes so i can update freeTether |
| 16:23.56 | destinal | your phone wants to be a hotspot, you are oppressing it. |
| 16:23.59 | destinal | :) |
| 16:24.17 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: or can we just "unhide" the app |
| 16:24.19 | PuffTheMagic | and call it a day |
| 16:24.48 | Rick_work | destinal mobilehotspotd has to be what palm is using for the pre+ for verison, and they already said verison pres would come out with 1.3.5 so, that HAS to be the key |
| 16:25.04 | destinal | Rick_work: sure |
| 16:25.16 | PuffTheMagic | ohhh |
| 16:25.17 | destinal | It has some interesting service methods |
| 16:25.20 | PuffTheMagic | mobilehotspotd |
| 16:25.24 | PuffTheMagic | a service not a gui |
| 16:25.28 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: C service |
| 16:26.21 | destinal | luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.mobilehotspot/sysInfo {} |
| 16:26.56 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: i must resisit playing with that for now |
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| 16:27.03 | destinal | it'll tell you all about its dhcp pool |
| 16:27.05 | destinal | # ps auxw|grep -i dhcpd |
| 16:27.05 | destinal | root 1206 0.0 0.5 4956 1424 ? Ss Jan12 0:00 /usr/bin/minidhcpd |
| 16:27.13 | destinal | which I'm sure that handles the heavy lifting for |
| 16:28.40 | destinal | also a native service |
| 16:28.41 | destinal | # dbus-util --list|grep -i dhcp |
| 16:28.41 | destinal | :1.17 (busname=com.palm.dhcp pid=1206 procname=/usr/bin/minidhcpd) |
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| 16:36.25 | doohan | en0x, I mean an ssh client going from pre to another system |
| 16:36.55 | Rick_work | doohan if you have terminal, you can use it to ssh from the pre to another system. |
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| 16:37.19 | doohan | Hmm |
| 16:37.32 | doohan | I just get -sh: ssh:not found |
| 16:37.59 | en0x | woohooo |
| 16:39.02 | Rick_work | doohan in preware install just install ssh |
| 16:39.08 | Rick_work | under optware |
| 16:41.20 | doohan | cheers Rick-home |
| 16:41.22 | doohan | err |
| 16:41.24 | doohan | Rick_work, :) |
| 16:44.27 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: rwhitby: sysInfo clientList setDebugLevel interfaceAdd interfaceRemove |
| 16:45.45 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: why do we need to add interfaces? |
| 16:46.11 | xalbo | Aren't there ipkg commands for installing removing packages (and specifically patches) from the command line? |
| 16:46.12 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: I think by interfaces it means something different than you normally think of |
| 16:46.33 | destinal | { "ifbridge": "bridge12", "IPv4Address": "10.1.1.11", "IPv4Subnet": "255.255.255.0", "IPv4PoolStart": "10.1.1.200", "stateBridge": "CREATED", "stateIPv4": "REMOVED", "stateDHCPServer": "DHCP SERVER STOPPED", "stateBluetoothRadio": "OFF", "interfaces": [ ] } |
| 16:46.39 | destinal | notice interfaces is a null set thee |
| 16:46.41 | destinal | there |
| 16:46.44 | destinal | we probably need some |
| 16:46.44 | xalbo | Preware is having some trouble removing a patch, I wanted to poke at the prerm script. Just having trouble taking the covers off. |
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| 16:48.36 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: /var/log/mobilehotspot.log |
| 16:48.56 | destinal | interesting |
| 16:48.57 | destinal | MobileHotSpot_LunaMethod_InterfaceRemove() called with JSON {}. |
| 16:48.57 | destinal | MobileHotSpot_LunaMethod_InterfaceRemove() bridge interface <bridge12> <00021290>. |
| 16:50.00 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: ahh i get it |
| 16:50.03 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: its not true AP |
| 16:50.10 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: its more like multiple ad-hoc |
| 16:50.36 | destinal | note it also calls to palm://com.palm.wifi/createAP |
| 16:50.52 | PuffTheMagic | that probably is just a "meta state" |
| 16:51.03 | PuffTheMagic | idk |
| 16:51.10 | PuffTheMagic | i havent really done much with AP |
| 16:51.17 | Rick_work | we'll know more when we see the verison ap app |
| 16:51.22 | PuffTheMagic | but i only remember needing 1 interface for that |
| 16:51.24 | Rick_work | in a couple of weeks. |
| 16:51.32 | Rick_work | we can wait. |
| 16:51.40 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work: i have a feeling free tether will work with that before then :D |
| 16:51.51 | destinal | I love the debug level options |
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| 16:51.57 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic even you have only 168 hours in a week. |
| 16:52.33 | destinal | chatty verbose trace info notice warning assert require error critical alert emergency tragic |
| 16:52.43 | destinal | tragic |
| 16:52.47 | destinal | :) |
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| 16:55.51 | destinal | I don't notice a difference with luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.mobilehotspot/setDebugLevel '{ "debugLevel": "chatty" }' |
| 16:55.51 | destinal | though |
| 16:58.09 | destinal | I can add and remove but I probably need to supply useful parameters: |
| 16:58.09 | destinal | MobileHotSpot_LunaMethod_InterfaceRemove() bridge interface <bridge15> <00021290>. |
| 16:58.09 | destinal | MobileHotSpot_LunaMethod_InterfaceAdd() bridge interface <bridge15> <00021290>. |
| 16:58.21 | destinal | since I don't think it's doing anything |
| 17:03.40 | Rick_work | I'll bet a nickle the code we need is going to be in the 1.4 beta sdk. |
| 17:07.09 | dBsooner | he egaudet_work!!!!! |
| 17:07.10 | dBsooner | GOODNEWS! |
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| 17:10.51 | hemna | looks like WebOSQuickInstall still doesn't support proxies :( |
| 17:13.51 | PuffTheMagic | i really really need to get precom-progs built with my mingw toolchain so that we dont need the metadoctor jar for WOQI and other stuff |
| 17:13.59 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: ping |
| 17:17.57 | egaudet_work | ... |
| 17:18.03 | egaudet_work | dBsooner: ? |
| 17:18.19 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: you really think he is awake at 3am? |
| 17:18.29 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: look at the last patch submitted |
| 17:18.32 | dBsooner | using the new form.. |
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| 17:18.42 | dBsooner | under "New Submissions" |
| 17:18.44 | egaudet_work | what's the site agian? |
| 17:18.48 | dBsooner | omg |
| 17:18.51 | egaudet_work | lol |
| 17:18.53 | dBsooner | You are NOT cool |
| 17:19.01 | dBsooner | it's in the subject |
| 17:19.02 | egaudet_work | I'm at work I'm forgetful |
| 17:19.03 | dBsooner | of the channel |
| 17:19.13 | egaudet_work | oh yea i see :doh: |
| 17:19.16 | dBsooner | http://webos-patches.dbsooner.com/admin/ |
| 17:20.25 | egaudet_work | oh nice! |
| 17:20.56 | dBsooner | Yeah.. you think that will be a good one for you? :) |
| 17:21.13 | dBsooner | I'm busy getting the functions all in place before I start accepting these |
| 17:21.17 | dBsooner | so you might just grab the patch file |
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| 17:21.38 | dBsooner | http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/webos-patches/ |
| 17:22.19 | egaudet_work | yea it will be good to get all my contacts to my local machine easily |
| 17:22.22 | PuffTheMagic | dBsooner: no i dont, but he scans the backlog and now my request is higher in queue then other people |
| 17:22.23 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 17:22.42 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic: he ignores me when I do those pings. ;) |
| 17:22.47 | dBsooner | Maybe it's because I always ping him? |
| 17:23.13 | PuffTheMagic | i get ignored some times too |
| 17:23.43 | egaudet_work | dBsooner: the more important patch though is NAMED pages |
| 17:23.59 | dBsooner | Im getting there |
| 17:24.13 | dBsooner | I am busy getting the accept forms finished |
| 17:24.21 | dBsooner | so I can add the git stuff |
| 17:24.27 | egaudet_work | And TABS... lmorchard you are awesome |
| 17:24.43 | dBsooner | yeah.. speaking of that one.. |
| 17:24.49 | dBsooner | lmorchard: what happens if a user has say.. 10 pages? |
| 17:24.52 | egaudet_work | dBsooner: yea I'll help resubmit the pre-newsite patches tonight maybe |
| 17:25.01 | dBsooner | I have done a couple |
| 17:25.03 | lmorchard | dBsooner: The 5th tab turns into '...' and throws up a submenu |
| 17:25.10 | dBsooner | it throws up? |
| 17:25.13 | dBsooner | hehehehe |
| 17:25.25 | dBsooner | s/throws up/spawns/ |
| 17:25.25 | lmorchard | Yeah because you have so many tabs. HOOOWARRRK |
| 17:25.39 | dBsooner | it says.. "Get rid of some damn tabs" |
| 17:25.46 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: that would be a big help. |
| 17:25.56 | lmorchard | But I've not had much luck combining names and tabs though, so I haven't bothered with it so much |
| 17:26.18 | lmorchard | though I should resubmit my named pages patch, since it's had 5 small revisions since I submitted it to preware |
| 17:26.19 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: if you decide to do it, let me know so I can remind you to pay attention to when a submission has email set to private.. |
| 17:26.38 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: because you have to scroll down into the array list in the email to copy their email and make sure you tick the keep private box |
| 17:26.40 | egaudet_work | lmorchard: maybe look into icon'd tabs so a visual indicator of which tab rather than name |
| 17:27.19 | lmorchard | Hmm, that could be interesting... assign icons to tabs, if you could pick from a useful enough set |
| 17:28.06 | egaudet_work | yea, similar to the app cat icons on the bottom for seaching. If there was a good enough general set of categories, and then less importantly maybe far in the future a way to add your own |
| 17:28.36 | lmorchard | Might have to work on a 3rd patch this weekend... |
| 17:29.55 | egaudet_work | :D |
| 17:29.57 | lmorchard | The real fun is that the more intricate the patches get, the more they conflict with others |
| 17:30.30 | lmorchard | but I've got it working with all the patches I care about so, meh |
| 17:30.33 | egaudet_work | try to offload into created files/functions as much as possible |
| 17:30.48 | lmorchard | Mostly it's the integration points, eg. adding a menu item or a command menu handler |
| 17:31.04 | egaudet_work | yea those are a pain |
| 17:31.17 | egaudet_work | not a whole lot you can do about it either |
| 17:31.55 | lmorchard | Yeah, I found a few tricks or at least different spots to bury my stuff that other patches weren't using |
| 17:32.05 | lmorchard | but there are only so many spots to do that |
| 17:32.05 | lmorchard | might be interesting someday to have a way to specify conflicts for patches in Preware |
| 17:32.08 | lmorchard | (if that hadn't already been thought of) |
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| 17:38.32 | egaudet_work | yea package conflicts is something that I think ipkg already handles too |
| 17:39.02 | egaudet_work | now the last app-launcher patch that will be cool is page MOVING |
| 17:42.12 | doohan | Is it possible to run your own java code on the pre? |
| 17:42.25 | swisstomcat1 | yes |
| 17:42.27 | swisstomcat1 | in a service |
| 17:42.34 | doohan | Possible to do it outwith a service? |
| 17:42.49 | swisstomcat1 | not that i know |
| 17:42.57 | swisstomcat1 | check with #webos-internals |
| 17:43.02 | doohan | ok |
| 17:43.02 | egaudet_work | dBsooner: do you know if auto app launcher popup patch pops up when there are apps that are carded/minimized? |
| 17:43.12 | dBsooner | no clue |
| 17:43.14 | dBsooner | :) |
| 17:43.26 | dBsooner | it says it's not supposed to |
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| 17:43.31 | doohan | swisstomcat1, this is #webos-internals :P |
| 17:43.37 | swisstomcat1 | yeah, i got confused |
| 17:43.40 | doohan | :) |
| 17:43.42 | swisstomcat1 | for a minute |
| 17:43.53 | swisstomcat1 | since i'm in both channels |
| 17:45.01 | doohan | :) |
| 17:45.14 | doohan | At the moment the only problem I'm having is with a path |
| 17:45.40 | doohan | It's having a spot of bother finding libhyprt.so |
| 17:46.16 | doohan | But I know where that file is hiding |
| 17:47.38 | jettero | which git repo contains the /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.optware startup script? I can't find it |
| 17:48.34 | jettero | oh, rwhitby partially answered that at 7:40ish |
| 17:48.39 | dBsooner | Does anyone know if you can submit a file to the "Upload File" form on the Wiki remotely? |
| 17:48.56 | jettero | where is the Optware bootstrap packted/tracked? |
| 17:49.20 | dBsooner | In other words, I want to be able to send a screenshot to the wiki and have it return to me the URL for the file. |
| 17:49.22 | jettero | "org.webosinternals.optware is from the Optware Boostrap package in Preware" ... |
| 17:50.33 | jettero | seems like it aught to be in http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/ , but I don't see it |
| 17:50.35 | egaudet_work | doohan:explain the problem |
| 17:51.16 | egaudet_work | dBsooner: you mean programatically? |
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| 17:51.24 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: Yes |
| 17:51.28 | egaudet_work | no idea |
| 17:51.29 | egaudet_work | :P |
| 17:51.31 | doohan | Well if you try to run /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5-palm/bin/java it says it can't find that file |
| 17:51.41 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: Right now I just store the image in the sql database |
| 17:51.45 | dBsooner | then I have to manually download it |
| 17:51.51 | dBsooner | and upload it to the wiki via the form |
| 17:51.52 | doohan | but, there is a java process running |
| 17:52.06 | dBsooner | then during the 'accept it' process, paste the URL in the form |
| 17:53.41 | egaudet_work | jettero: not in gitorious |
| 17:54.12 | egaudet_work | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=optware/bootstrap/upstart;h=d9c764bb587a847a7739d19ed281700fea415fec;hb=HEAD |
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| 17:55.04 | egaudet_work | doohan: why do you want to start another java process? |
| 17:55.09 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: maybe rwhitby would just give me a special ftp login chrooted to /wwwroot/webos-patches/images/ |
| 17:55.11 | egaudet_work | rather than create a thread in the existing one? |
| 17:55.13 | dBsooner | and I can upload them there. |
| 17:55.27 | jettero | egaudet_work: oh, thanks |
| 17:55.54 | doohan | Sometimes it's nice to have a process rather than a thread |
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| 17:56.54 | egaudet_work | there's limited resources on the Pre |
| 17:57.40 | egaudet_work | but if you really needed to start anew java process -Djava.library.path=<path>:<path>:<path> |
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| 17:58.07 | doohan | egaudet, that's what I'm trying just now |
| 17:58.34 | egaudet_work | check the existing running process too |
| 17:58.38 | egaudet_work | for other args they use |
| 18:00.22 | doohan | Already doing that :) |
| 18:00.59 | jettero | egaudet_work: do you know who I'd contact to submit a patch to that file/repo? |
| 18:01.20 | egaudet_work | talk to rwhitby |
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| 18:01.33 | egaudet_work | what are you interested in adding? |
| 18:01.41 | jettero | A line to see if /opt is already mounted |
| 18:01.54 | jettero | I made my own loopback filesystem of /opt before it started existing in cryptfs |
| 18:01.57 | egaudet_work | ahh yes good idea (same for pdk) |
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| 18:02.12 | jettero | for backup reasons, I find it convenient to leave it uncrypted. And regardless, I don't think my sanity check line will cause any problems |
| 18:02.57 | egaudet_work | jettero: it can only help IMO, we dont' want accidental multiple mounts, then one umount leaves it mounted |
| 18:03.18 | jettero | well, that and the overmount makes it appear blank |
| 18:03.28 | jettero | it was causing me trouble (work related) for some other scripts |
| 18:05.02 | egaudet_work | yea and I can already see this happening for instance: install optware, partial erase, install optware |
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| 18:05.47 | jettero | yeah, my check is just: if [ -d /opt/bin ]; then echo "opt already mounted"; return 0; fi |
| 18:06.06 | jettero | I patched it on my git clone, but I can't push, duh... |
| 18:06.18 | jettero | I was considering posting to github, but I think I'll wait for a hilight from rwhitby |
| 18:06.57 | jettero | I don't think -d /opt/bin is a very robust check, for the record, but it does do what I expect |
| 18:07.28 | egaudet_work | jettero: well it should probably be something like "mount |grep /opt" |
| 18:09.03 | PuffTheMagic | cat /proc/mounts | grep opt |
| 18:09.16 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: what's the difference? |
| 18:09.39 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: mount uses mtab (last I knew) which could get out of sync |
| 18:09.46 | PuffTheMagic | /proc/mounts is always accurate |
| 18:09.47 | egaudet_work | oh ok |
| 18:10.28 | egaudet_work | so cat /proc/mounts | awk '{print $1}' |grep ^/opt$ |
| 18:11.08 | PuffTheMagic | awk is overkill isnt it? |
| 18:11.34 | PuffTheMagic | whats the objective here? |
| 18:11.40 | jettero | cat| is considered wasteful in some circles... |
| 18:12.02 | jettero | awk '{print $1}' < /proc/mounts | grep ^/opt$ |
| 18:12.10 | egaudet_work | And I also think the upstart script is backwards with the /var/opt mount |
| 18:12.16 | jettero | there's whole essays on "useless use of cat", but I like the left to right |
| 18:12.29 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: because /opt is mounted to /var/opt mounted to /media/cryptofs/apps/opt |
| 18:12.51 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: idk whats really going on |
| 18:13.01 | PuffTheMagic | what is the objective? |
| 18:13.08 | egaudet_work | not to mount when already mounted |
| 18:13.31 | egaudet_work | jettero: yea that's better (< vs. cat) |
| 18:13.42 | egaudet_work | im definitely a cat abuser :P |
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| 18:14.06 | nebula | we all are sometimes |
| 18:14.19 | nebula | cat /etc/hosts | grep foo |
| 18:14.21 | nebula | muahaha |
| 18:14.25 | hawiwo | hi,where IPKG Log located on the filesystem? |
| 18:14.25 | nebula | i used to do that all the time |
| 18:14.37 | jettero | yeah, I use grep pat file... |
| 18:14.46 | jettero | but when you're doing a long pipe, cat | | | | is just more readable |
| 18:15.27 | egaudet_work | jacques: for pdk too, isn't the mount /var/local /media/cryptofs/apps/local backwards? |
| 18:16.03 | egaudet_work | hawiwo: it's stdout, you tap "show ipkg log" when error comes up |
| 18:16.05 | egaudet_work | no file |
| 18:16.22 | hawiwo | thanks |
| 18:16.47 | PuffTheMagic | sed -e '/ \/opt /!d' /proc/mounts |
| 18:17.48 | PuffTheMagic | hates awk |
| 18:17.56 | hawiwo | show<ENTER>-sh: show: not found |
| 18:19.44 | jacques | egaudet_work: hmm? where is "mount /var/local /media/cryptofs/apps/local" ? |
| 18:20.25 | todivefor | I have a patch half installed. Preware thinks it is installed, but not. Get "Unreversed patch detected!" in IPKG log when I try to remove. How can I recover? |
| 18:20.48 | egaudet_work | cut -d' ' -f 2 /proc/ounts |
| 18:20.56 | egaudet_work | jacques: in upstart |
| 18:21.02 | egaudet_work | I thought it should be the other way around |
| 18:21.09 | egaudet_work | to use the bigger /media for storage |
| 18:21.11 | jettero | I used awk in the latest incarnation |
| 18:21.37 | egaudet_work | yea, we can just list the million ways to skin this cat :P |
| 18:21.54 | jettero | http://is.gd/6cIom <-- |
| 18:22.12 | jettero | I went ahead and posted the clone on github... I can take it down later. I don't think it hurts anything |
| 18:22.15 | jacques | egaudet_work: if that mount command is in upstart, then I agree it seems backwards. the intent (as I understood it, unless it's changed) is to bind mount /var/local to /usr/local |
| 18:22.30 | egaudet_work | jacques: yea that's first |
| 18:22.35 | jacques | and /var/local would have symlinks to libs in /media/cryptofs/apps/local |
| 18:22.45 | egaudet_work | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=linux/pdk/upstart/org.webosinternals.pdk;h=f6985738379506a8573f216e271ce351d6f85fb7;hb=f2658470643798e716d2ea3d0ac6d20de42a4823 |
| 18:23.08 | egaudet_work | I think mounting /media/cryptofs/apps/local to /var/local is fine |
| 18:23.25 | egaudet_work | the mount command is just backwards |
| 18:24.25 | jacques | I don't understand why we would do that (mounting /media/cryptofs/apps/local to /var/local) as /media/cryptofs/apps/local does not support symlinks, which we need |
| 18:24.45 | jettero | too bad it's fat and not ntfs or ext3 or something |
| 18:24.48 | jettero | pfft fat |
| 18:24.54 | jacques | the whole point of using /var/local was so we could symlink |
| 18:25.08 | jacques | otherwise we could just bind mount cryptofs to /usr/local |
| 18:26.19 | egaudet_work | oh right |
| 18:26.22 | egaudet_work | now i remember |
| 18:26.44 | egaudet_work | sym links on /var and actual libs on /media |
| 18:26.53 | jacques | yep, that's my recollection |
| 18:27.04 | destinal | jacques: egaudet_work: I love how clean this is shaping up to be :P |
| 18:27.16 | destinal | and simple |
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| 18:27.39 | destinal | </sarcasm> |
| 18:27.49 | egaudet_work | lol |
| 18:28.25 | jacques | as simple as possible - but no simpler. |
| 18:28.34 | egaudet_work | destinal: it's all media's fat fault |
| 18:28.55 | Mousey | prefer's ext3 |
| 18:29.15 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: are the optware preware stuff in the build.git repo too? |
| 18:29.24 | Toaster23 | can the oreo effect cause major damage? |
| 18:29.37 | Kyusaku | only if you dip it in milk |
| 18:29.45 | Kyusaku | :P |
| 18:29.46 | destinal | can we layer permissions on top of vfat for our /usr/local or is that just equally complicated and ugly |
| 18:29.48 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: yea in build.git |
| 18:30.00 | destinal | s/permissions/permissions and special files/ |
| 18:30.27 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work: are they straight from optware or are they modified in any way? |
| 18:30.28 | jacques | destinal: how would that be accomplished? |
| 18:30.43 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: wait the build.git builds the packages from the optware stuff |
| 18:31.00 | egaudet_work | the build.git has the optware packaging stuff not the optware binaries/code |
| 18:31.14 | egaudet_work | so not modified |
| 18:31.16 | PuffTheMagic | i want to add a file to the bash package |
| 18:31.22 | PuffTheMagic | that adds a file to /etc/profile.d |
| 18:31.33 | PuffTheMagic | i guess i will look at how dropbear works |
| 18:31.44 | destinal | jacques: nevermind, it would probably be umsdos or something like that and I somehow doubt that's in palm's kernel. |
| 18:32.18 | destinal | plus that approach has its own issues |
| 18:33.13 | destinal | go on with your bindmount symlinks |
| 18:33.16 | destinal | :) |
| 18:35.33 | jacques | too bad unionfs et al never became widely accepted - tho it's probably because there are fundamental issues with implementation |
| 18:36.38 | destinal | jacques: actually, we have fuse, don't we? nevermind, just another set of issues |
| 18:37.06 | destinal | 'Some people, when confronted with a problem, think "I know, I'll use regular expressions." Now they have two problems.' |
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| 18:43.35 | destinal | must resist urge to use fuse |
| 18:49.14 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: egaudet_work do either of you see anything wrong with this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/165091/ |
| 18:49.45 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: fuse is sweet |
| 18:50.12 | PuffTheMagic | jacques: unionfs is/was accepted |
| 18:50.18 | PuffTheMagic | jacques: but aufs is more preferred now |
| 18:51.08 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: you can do: if grep -q /bin/sh /etc/shells; then echo foo; fi |
| 18:51.16 | destinal | simpler than using test |
| 18:51.42 | destinal | (and cat etc) |
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| 18:56.51 | destinal | wow, the Mac OSX SDK include /opt/nova/bin/cpuboot ? |
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| 19:11.24 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: probably puts it in recovery mode |
| 19:11.47 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: no, it's an omap3 cpu boot |
| 19:11.56 | destinal | USB |
| 19:12.20 | destinal | like the one we found and compiled but probably made by palm |
| 19:12.24 | destinal | or TI |
| 19:13.12 | destinal | someone added a sample usage to: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery |
| 19:13.34 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: its essentially the same thing |
| 19:13.50 | destinal | essentially same thing as omap3_usbload, yes |
| 19:14.39 | jettero | oh, is this the best place to contact rwhitby about that patch? or should I try email or something? (I suspect this is the best place) |
| 19:17.32 | Kyusaku | what patch |
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| 19:22.12 | JMyaDaGod | Whats Ryan hope's Nick? I am tryin to get some help with this freetether app. |
| 19:22.42 | psykoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.59 | JMyaDaGod | ? |
| 19:23.05 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: that would be me whats up |
| 19:23.13 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: and if its windows 7 related i cant/wont help |
| 19:23.14 | PuffTheMagic | ;) |
| 19:23.19 | Kyusaku | lol |
| 19:23.34 | JMyaDaGod | i cant get the ipk to install |
| 19:23.45 | JMyaDaGod | am i supposed to install all three? |
| 19:23.55 | PuffTheMagic | all three what? |
| 19:24.22 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic: i was in testing feeds and theres is armv6 armv7 and i686 whats the diference? |
| 19:24.45 | Kyusaku | armv6 is pixi, i686 is EMU |
| 19:24.51 | Kyusaku | armv7 is pre |
| 19:25.02 | JMyaDaGod | o ok i am stupid |
| 19:25.19 | psykoz | it's okay, it happens |
| 19:25.40 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic:and i got it on my phone but i just see null..... You said not windows 7 ready yet? |
| 19:26.59 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic: what all features work as of now? Wifi,bluetooth,usb? |
| 19:27.00 | PuffTheMagic | if you dont see addresses then the service isnt running |
| 19:27.02 | PuffTheMagic | reboot or something |
| 19:27.06 | PuffTheMagic | it works on win7 |
| 19:27.16 | PuffTheMagic | i just dont know what the setup/drivers is involved |
| 19:27.25 | PuffTheMagic | cause i havent used windows in almost a decade |
| 19:27.31 | PuffTheMagic | usb and bt work |
| 19:27.32 | JMyaDaGod | i got address's but only in wifi and main |
| 19:27.33 | PuffTheMagic | no wifi |
| 19:28.03 | JMyaDaGod | will it be null until i connect? |
| 19:28.22 | PuffTheMagic | is BT even on? |
| 19:28.26 | PuffTheMagic | is usbnet enabled? |
| 19:28.48 | JMyaDaGod | i dont see a place to enable usbnet. |
| 19:28.59 | Kyusaku | .... |
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| 19:29.11 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: i didnt get to adding that to the gui |
| 19:29.18 | PuffTheMagic | you need to do it manually if that is what you want to use |
| 19:29.31 | PuffTheMagic | or close the gui and start bt then optn the gui again and u should have a bt addy |
| 19:29.57 | JMyaDaGod | As of right now i am just going to use as usb....How would i go about doing it manually |
| 19:29.58 | JMyaDaGod | ? |
| 19:30.15 | PuffTheMagic | got terminal access? |
| 19:30.19 | JMyaDaGod | yea |
| 19:30.29 | PuffTheMagic | run 'usbnet enable' |
| 19:30.30 | PuffTheMagic | then reboot |
| 19:31.13 | JMyaDaGod | so i just type "usbnet enable" thats it nothing before it? |
| 19:31.50 | JMyaDaGod | ok thanks rebooting now |
| 19:32.22 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic: do i have to disable it for any reason? |
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| 19:33.29 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic: one last question ...sorry...how do i go about updating it if one comes out? |
| 19:33.57 | PuffTheMagic | no u dont have to disable it |
| 19:34.07 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: update via preware like any other app |
| 19:34.47 | JMyaDaGod | oh ok thanks |
| 19:36.05 | bsm | hi, today I discovered /usr/bin/pubsubservice, it always has a connection to some server in 205.140.203.xxx on the jabber port. What does this service do? Doesn't anyone worry? |
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| 19:37.56 | destinal | tcp 0 0 174-149-58-99.pools.s:49079 205.140.203.42:xmpp-client ESTABLISHED |
| 19:38.47 | bsm | destinal, yes that one. and 0174... isn't your phone number, is it? |
| 19:39.45 | destinal | my phone's IP address is, for the moment, 174.149.58.99. not trying to keep it a big secret |
| 19:40.43 | dBsooner | Anyone ever use "Cisco Meeting Place"? |
| 19:41.14 | destinal | dBsooner: they set up conference bridges at my company on it |
| 19:41.33 | dBsooner | destinal: Yeah, I have to join a conference call in 20 minutes.. |
| 19:42.02 | dBsooner | destinal: We have Cisco systems at work as well.. I just wonder if I can do the "Web conference" from firefox. |
| 19:42.12 | dBsooner | Or if it will need some special plugin that FireFox doesn't have. |
| 19:42.13 | destinal | dBsooner: hmm, dunnno, never tried it |
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| 19:42.31 | destinal | (the web interface at all) |
| 19:42.45 | dBsooner | ahh.. Yeah. It's for Shared Desktops |
| 19:42.57 | mdklein | I think I've been to web meetings to that on my mac with firefox, but I'm not 100% sure |
| 19:42.58 | dBsooner | so you can see what the meeting chair is doing |
| 19:43.28 | dBsooner | I'm signed into meeting place.. and all.. I just can't remember if it has to load any plugins or not. |
| 19:43.34 | mdklein | I go to lots of web meetings, so it's hard to say |
| 19:43.57 | dBsooner | Oh well.. we'll see when I hit "Connect" and "have Meeting Place call me at: " |
| 19:44.03 | mdklein | I think it's java |
| 19:44.08 | dBsooner | I hope so. |
| 19:47.44 | destinal | bsm: on the pubsub stuff, all is here: http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1671&Itemid=279 |
| 19:48.52 | destinal | bsm: basically a unique key is created that you can provide to a service in the cloud that it can use to send a message to palm to be delivered to your pre which delivers it to your app |
| 19:49.14 | destinal | rather than polling lots of random services in the cloud, you just connect to the palm "ps" one |
| 19:50.07 | destinal | which is done automagically by mojo framework |
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| 19:50.37 | destinal | or something like that, don't quote me on it :) |
| 19:50.55 | bsm | thanks destinal. Nevertheless being in the cloud is some kind of ... strange. |
| 19:51.09 | destinal | indeed |
| 19:52.30 | destinal | palm includes in the sdk some examples including server side code that a webapp might use to partake in the conversation that runs on google app engine |
| 19:55.06 | bsm | don't tell me too much about it, apart from the cloud computing stuff the pre is a really nice device :) |
| 19:55.48 | destinal | bsm: well, they've attempted to securify it quite a bit, generally I think this just provides more integrated / rich data services to mojo apps |
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| 19:56.11 | destinal | not sure if anyone much is using it yet or not |
| 19:56.58 | glorifiedg | hi guys. I don't know if anyone already noticed that now is possible to install apps from the palm beta feed in europe. 3 days ago it wasn't possible. |
| 19:56.58 | bsm | hm maybe I'll remove the binary and check if any app fails. |
| 19:57.11 | bsm | glorifiedg: noticed |
| 19:57.22 | bsm | what happens if you try to install an app you have to pay for? |
| 19:57.37 | destinal | mobilehotspotd has a tremendous tendency to segfault when given malformed json |
| 19:58.10 | bsm | and I'd like to try to install some apps that are not available in the german app catalog |
| 19:58.11 | glorifiedg | it opens the app catalog were is written that the app is not available in my country. I'm in portugal. |
| 19:58.24 | bsm | ah, too bad. |
| 19:58.42 | bsm | then its useless apart from the beta stuff. |
| 19:58.47 | glorifiedg | even in free apps it doenst allow the installation |
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| 20:00.20 | glorifiedg | I tried to install accuweather free and I cant . it was available in 1.1.3 but not any more... at least not in portugal. |
| 20:00.28 | destinal | mobilehotspotd also really likes to return "true" to lots of things, making it really hard to talk to and know if it likes you or not |
| 20:00.32 | bsm | I really ask myself if palm knows that they are uber-stupid to close the app store |
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| 20:01.49 | bsm | destinal: has mobilehotspotd anything to do with pubsubservice or are you playing around with it? :) |
| 20:02.06 | destinal | bsm: just playing around with it. the pre wants to be a hotspot |
| 20:02.30 | bsm | mytether? |
| 20:02.37 | destinal | bsm: no, this is palm codde |
| 20:02.40 | destinal | s/dd/d/ |
| 20:03.02 | bsm | thanks for having the sed bot XD |
| 20:03.09 | destinal | ~botsnack |
| 20:03.09 | infobot | :), destinal |
| 20:03.53 | glorifiedg | bsm are you using o2 1.3.5.2? |
| 20:04.52 | uncorq | hey gang if I did a full wipe on my pre, updated firmware to 1.3.5.1 then install preware back, do I need to mess with the mvapps/partitioning stuff again, or is "no space for apps" issue now taken care of by the current state of webos? |
| 20:05.07 | bsm | glorifiedg: no, I'm still on 1.3.1 as I'm missing greg's ICQ plugin |
| 20:05.24 | destinal | hmm, somehow I now have 20 bridge interfaces, so I must have done something |
| 20:05.38 | glorifiedg | :s yeah, I miss gregs MSN... |
| 20:06.03 | bsm | uncorq: try it. app catalog installs to /media/internal and preware also should. |
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| 20:07.06 | uncorq | thx |
| 20:08.13 | destinal | bsm: if you have a shell on your pre do you mind running this? ifconfig -a|grep ^bri|wc -l |
| 20:09.38 | bsm | destinal I've got 0 bridge interfaces |
| 20:09.47 | destinal | bsm: what version? |
| 20:09.49 | destinal | of webos |
| 20:09.51 | bsm | 1.3.1 |
| 20:09.55 | destinal | oh |
| 20:10.04 | destinal | right, expected, no mobilehotspotd there |
| 20:10.05 | bsm | whereas I thing the bridges are ifb0 and ifb1 |
| 20:10.31 | destinal | mobilehotspotd on 1.3.5+ makes bridge* ints |
| 20:10.38 | destinal | 0 through who knows how high |
| 20:10.44 | bsm | ah |
| 20:11.29 | bsm | I'm really impressed palm uses iptables on the phone |
| 20:11.33 | destinal | it's a binary service so I'm trying to figure out how to properly use the methods it provides on the bus |
| 20:12.20 | destinal | last night I had 12 interfaces, now I have 21 but I can't reliably add or remove them yet. I must have done something at some point when I wasn't paying attention |
| 20:12.56 | bsm | sleep walking adding interfaces? :) |
| 20:12.59 | destinal | so now I'm curious how many come with a 1.3.5 device |
| 20:13.23 | bsm | and rebooting doesn't fix your 21 devices? |
| 20:13.27 | destinal | bsm well I've been trying to call the interfaceAdd method of the service and it returns "true" but usually nothing changes |
| 20:13.39 | destinal | bsm: haven't tried it. nothing "broken" per se anyway, just odd |
| 20:13.45 | glorifiedg | if you want it I'll run it on my 1.3.5.2 |
| 20:13.54 | destinal | glorifiedg: that would be good, thanks |
| 20:14.24 | glorifiedg | sorry for the ignorance but I just have to run that command on terminal right? |
| 20:14.34 | destinal | yes |
| 20:14.57 | bsm | glorifiedg: you could also run ifconfig -a and count the bri* interfaces |
| 20:15.29 | destinal | wonders how many people in the world use terminal. alas, the number is unobtainable |
| 20:15.46 | mdklein | I only have bridge0 on my pre " |
| 20:15.56 | Lumiere | destinal: can't count downloads from the feed? |
| 20:16.26 | destinal | Lumiere: well, downloads isn't really users |
| 20:16.31 | mdklein | I _have_ terminal, but it's really just handier to type on a full keyboard, so I generally novaterm in |
| 20:16.34 | Lumiere | it is a start |
| 20:16.56 | destinal | I'm sure many users have downloaded it many times |
| 20:17.18 | bsm | interesting, I can't install apps from the precentral feed "wget: content-length 426 is garbage" |
| 20:17.40 | dBsooner | well... so youall know.. Firefox was a no go |
| 20:17.47 | mdklein | that sucks |
| 20:17.49 | destinal | bsm: you're manually downloading them to install them with ipkg? |
| 20:17.53 | dBsooner | it called me.. but never really got the Desktop shell going |
| 20:18.02 | dBsooner | Might be a java 64bit |
| 20:18.10 | Lumiere | destinal: Firefox on what... Pre? |
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| 20:18.11 | bsm | destinal: no simply from preware tapping "install" |
| 20:18.13 | dBsooner | IE worked fine though. |
| 20:18.19 | destinal | oh. weird. |
| 20:18.26 | dBsooner | LOL.. No.. this was an off topic discussion from earlier. |
| 20:18.48 | destinal | Lumiere: heh, I'm not sure we want firefox on pre |
| 20:19.06 | Lumiere | I wonder about Gecko though |
| 20:20.06 | destinal | Lumiere: an SDL port would be somewhat tricky, I think |
| 20:20.07 | dBsooner | Could you imagine it? |
| 20:20.14 | bsm | how do I use ipkg on the device? do I need some options? |
| 20:20.16 | dBsooner | uTorrent! |
| 20:20.21 | dBsooner | uTorrent on pre. |
| 20:20.22 | dBsooner | :) |
| 20:20.30 | Lumiere | dBsooner: lol |
| 20:20.49 | Lumiere | destinal: well gecko isn't even a front end... I thought |
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| 20:21.17 | Lumiere | so you should be able to write a front end to the library (Although... Firefox is mostly js itself I thought) |
| 20:21.45 | voxtel | Hello all. I'm new here, and a linux newbie, but have experience with free BSD. I love the idea of sshing to my pre (I'm doing it right now) but can anyone lead me to the right direction on getting more commands working like "make" etc. Also I can get ifconfig when I'm in novacom as root but as my regular user I'm unable to. tia. |
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| 20:22.15 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:22.33 | Lumiere | voxtel: try /sbin/ifconfig as the normal user |
| 20:22.41 | mdklein | ifconfig is in /sbin which isn't in your normal user path |
| 20:22.42 | glorifiedg | yeah I'm getting bad adress |
| 20:22.56 | destinal | voxtel: but I recommend building code on a PC with a cross compiler |
| 20:23.09 | voxtel | Oh that makes sense. |
| 20:23.35 | Lumiere | and the difference from BSD to linux is not large |
| 20:23.38 | voxtel | There's a good page on the wiki detailing optware? |
| 20:23.47 | destinal | but I've installed random things like vim, less, and fdisk via optware |
| 20:23.52 | destinal | it can be very handy |
| 20:24.09 | glorifiedg | and with bsm method I get only bridge0 |
| 20:24.28 | glorifiedg | sorry if that's not helpfull |
| 20:24.29 | Lumiere | destinal: SDLvim? :) |
| 20:24.30 | destinal | ok so I am the odd one out with a ton of interfaces |
| 20:24.32 | destinal | good to know |
| 20:24.36 | destinal | Lumiere: nah, local |
| 20:24.41 | destinal | must terminal or ssh |
| 20:24.42 | voxtel | Destinal: Thanks. I like the idea of having a full fledge linux box in my pocket. :) |
| 20:24.48 | Lumiere | destinal: does it do colors? :) |
| 20:24.51 | destinal | yes |
| 20:25.19 | jacques | destinal: yeah I checked mine and I only have a few interfaces |
| 20:25.20 | bsm | hm, when using Wifi and 3G I have TWO default routes. I thought this is not possible?! |
| 20:25.32 | jacques | bsm: sure it is; metric |
| 20:25.35 | Lumiere | yea |
| 20:25.45 | Lumiere | wifi should have a lower metric then 3G |
| 20:25.47 | glorifiedg | dbsooner, some torrent client would be sweet... if it don't |
| 20:25.53 | destinal | voxtel: you can just install the optware package from preware |
| 20:25.53 | Lumiere | (lower as in better) |
| 20:25.59 | bsm | jacques: lower metric means higher priority? |
| 20:26.00 | bsm | ah thanks |
| 20:26.01 | glorifiedg | ...suck all of pre cpu lol |
| 20:26.02 | bsm | ah |
| 20:26.04 | destinal | voxtel: then you can ipkg-opt install foo |
| 20:26.06 | jacques | bsm: yep |
| 20:26.13 | dBsooner | glorifiedg: Yeah, I agree.. and if you limit it to slow speeds, it wouldn't. |
| 20:26.15 | destinal | where foo is the standard package name |
| 20:26.22 | dBsooner | s/wouldn't/shouldn't/ |
| 20:26.43 | Lumiere | destinal: I kinda want the gtk-vim interface for pre :) |
| 20:26.46 | voxtel | destinal: Great. Made it easy enough for me. |
| 20:26.54 | Lumiere | (with mouse action) |
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| 20:27.19 | destinal | voxtel: it keeps getting easier, you used to have to do a lot of manual setup |
| 20:27.51 | destinal | preware makes things really handy |
| 20:28.04 | voxtel | The dev community, well internals, has really been fantastic |
| 20:28.50 | destinal | bbiab (grab food) |
| 20:28.55 | Lumiere | is waiting for the day where preware is retired |
| 20:29.36 | Lumiere | because for preware to be retired... everything it does has to either be added to webos, or doable from the app catalog |
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| 20:30.03 | voxtel | I think I liked it better when the palm app catalog wasn't loaded with it. |
| 20:31.13 | Lumiere | you can turn those feeds off |
| 20:31.15 | rwhitby | Rick_work: you can only re-jig a phone to have a US profile if you actually possess a US phone as well. |
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| 20:31.26 | jacques | morning rwhitby |
| 20:31.36 | voxtel | Lumiere: Thanks for the heads up. |
| 20:31.37 | bsm | interesting, when I try to download batterysaver via 3G I get a ipkg error. Downloading via wifi works. |
| 20:31.37 | destinal-wirc | rebooting reverted me to one bridge int btw |
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| 20:37.56 | jettero | I used the contact form about developer access on precentral.net what seems like 18 months ago (but in reality is more like 3 days); how long does that usually take? |
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| 20:42.03 | rwhitby | jettero: please pastebin your proposed patch (make sure it's a clean and robust one, cause errors in upstart are fatal), thanks. |
| 20:43.01 | voxtel | is there a list of available packages from ipkg-opt? I don't think usermod is in there. |
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| 20:44.21 | jacques | voxtel: ipkg-opt list |
| 20:44.37 | voxtel | jacques: Thanks. |
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| 20:46.24 | rwhitby | voxtel: usermod is masquerading as 'vi' ;-) |
| 20:47.15 | voxtel | rwhitby: Right. :) |
| 20:47.40 | jettero | rwhitby: http://is.gd/6cLYG <--- it's not pastebin, but if you click raw, it should do nicely |
| 20:48.03 | rwhitby | hmm - awk in upstart. |
| 20:48.34 | rwhitby | and the second convenience bind into /media still needs to be done |
| 20:48.37 | jettero | haha, yeah, PuffTheMagic complained about that too |
| 20:48.44 | jettero | one revision back is no awk, and I can use cut instead |
| 20:49.30 | jettero | oh, I'm skipping too much startup? |
| 20:49.43 | rwhitby | need to think about how this would work on the emulator too ... |
| 20:50.14 | jettero | k, I'm open to any change you have in mind. I just don't want the default startup to step on the way I mount my opt loopback |
| 20:50.30 | jettero | if possible |
| 20:51.35 | jettero | (incidentally, awk seems pretty light weight to me, although I rarely use it. Is it so bad?) |
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| 20:56.44 | jettero | maybe this: http://is.gd/6dats |
| 20:57.01 | jettero | although, the second "convenience" mount should probably have a similar check |
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| 21:01.39 | rwhitby | yes, it should |
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| 21:02.21 | rwhitby | note that modifications to this file need to be absolutely robust in operation - a single error in this file will cause the rest of the script to be skipped and the upstart service start to fail and will ruin your whole day |
| 21:03.13 | rwhitby | egaudet_work: the /media/cryptofs mount is the right way around |
| 21:03.38 | rwhitby | it's there so that you can install libraries without needing a postinst |
| 21:03.40 | jettero | rwhitby: I'll make sure to test it on on my own pre and my emulator |
| 21:04.10 | jettero | I added a similar check for the second mount bind. I think it could be more DRY... |
| 21:04.28 | rwhitby | jettero: it's also best if the tests don't output random strings to /var/log/messages. grep -q for instance |
| 21:04.35 | jettero | what does it take to crash upstart? just failing ot mount? or a bad exit value? |
| 21:04.45 | jettero | I'm using grep -q |
| 21:04.58 | jettero | the only extra verbosity should be from the echos, which I caan take out... |
| 21:05.03 | rwhitby | basically, the script is run with sh -e |
| 21:05.12 | jettero | I did plan for the -e |
| 21:05.22 | rwhitby | jettero: what version of the script are you looking at? |
| 21:05.23 | dBsooner | morning rwhitby. Did you get my question about MediaWiki? Or the possibility of a chroot'ed ftp login to upload images? |
| 21:05.43 | jettero | rwhitby: haha, I used -q elsewhere, but not in this patch. Sec |
| 21:06.13 | rwhitby | dBsooner: yes, I'll need to ponder the security implications of that |
| 21:06.47 | jettero | anyway, I'm pretty sure the test conditions in an if do not trip a -e environment and all the original commands are the same (not counting the echos) |
| 21:07.01 | rwhitby | dBsooner: (i.e. someone MITM attacking your password and then using OSUOSL as a torrent site would not be a good outcome) |
| 21:07.02 | dBsooner | rwhitby: You could only allow login from my server's ip |
| 21:07.34 | dBsooner | and only attach it as an rsync process or ftp process |
| 21:07.56 | CoolMatty | use SSL over FTP for login :p |
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| 21:09.30 | destinal | dBsooner: why not sftp and use a key + password? |
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| 21:10.21 | dBsooner | destinal: I agree. I think just key would be fine. |
| 21:10.34 | destinal | regardless, no MITM issuex |
| 21:10.44 | dBsooner | because my key is stored on my server in a directory not accessible via a shell. |
| 21:10.51 | destinal | as long as you verify the proper key signature of the remote |
| 21:10.54 | destinal | first time |
| 21:11.32 | dBsooner | Anyway.. I agree with rwhitby and made the mistake of talking about security in an open logged channel. :) I'll refrain from comment now. |
| 21:11.44 | jettero | rwhitby: I think my latest version is pretty solid. I need to review it again before I inflict it on myself |
| 21:12.29 | rwhitby | I think open channels are good for talking about security in general |
| 21:12.47 | doohan | Did someone say something a while ago about a port of xorg or X11? |
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| 21:13.02 | dBsooner | but not specific security. |
| 21:13.28 | destinal | dBsooner: specific security is great in an open channel, just not keys / passwords. the security should not be in secret implementation or algorithm |
| 21:13.46 | destinal | that's not security |
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| 21:14.13 | dBsooner | shrug. I just want a way to get the images from my server to the OSUOSL server |
| 21:14.22 | dBsooner | automatically. |
| 21:14.28 | sportman | which has betterr batterylife pixi or pre? |
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| 21:14.41 | sportman | i have the pre and my friend is trying to decide between the 2 |
| 21:14.51 | destinal | dBsooner: yeah, I know, just getting into theory / philosophy here, don't mind me |
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| 21:15.25 | dBsooner | destinal: I have done remote rsync via keys only .. and blocked all but 1 specific ip. |
| 21:15.32 | dBsooner | That is how I do my backups and so forth. |
| 21:15.43 | Robi_ | sportman: with 1.3.5 the Pre has much better matt life and a way to get even more with larger batteries |
| 21:15.44 | destinal | dBsooner: you can do remote rsync over ssh |
| 21:15.47 | destinal | dBsooner: sounds fine |
| 21:15.53 | Robi_ | not sure if the pixi has larger batts for sale |
| 21:16.00 | Robi_ | check precentral |
| 21:16.10 | Robi_ | s/matt/batt |
| 21:16.12 | sportman | i was talking stock battery life |
| 21:16.27 | dBsooner | destinal: SFTP is ok too.. It would be as secure. |
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| 21:16.50 | dBsooner | and SFTP is already implemented in OpenSSH SFTP. :) |
| 21:16.54 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic , or anyone using freetether: what is correct way to get ur computer to hook up with u phone it seems mine only does it when it wants to i cant force it too |
| 21:17.03 | JMyaDaGod | on usb |
| 21:17.17 | destinal | dBsooner: http://troy.jdmz.net/rsync/index.html |
| 21:17.25 | destinal | it's pretty easy to rsync over ssh without special software |
| 21:17.35 | destinal | but whichever's easy |
| 21:17.37 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: i dont really underwstand your question |
| 21:17.46 | Robi_ | JMyaDaGod: how'd you install free tether ? |
| 21:17.48 | dBsooner | destinal: nice find. Now we just have to wait for rwhitby to think it over. |
| 21:17.50 | JMyaDaGod | mine seems to only work when i let my phone sleep then my connections appears |
| 21:18.20 | Robi_ | JMyaDaGod: you may have to turn off your wifi for it to work |
| 21:18.21 | JMyaDaGod | like i open freetether and then plug in usb or otherway around? |
| 21:18.27 | JMyaDaGod | wifi is off |
| 21:18.38 | Robi_ | well it's alpha ;] |
| 21:18.47 | JMyaDaGod | like right now the app isnt even open and its working |
| 21:19.04 | JMyaDaGod | maybe another driver is blocking it sometime from my computer????? |
| 21:19.14 | dBsooner | You using windows JMyaDaGod? |
| 21:19.14 | Robi_ | JMyaDaGod: that's fine, the app just sets up for it to be on or off that's all |
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| 21:19.32 | JMyaDaGod | like its trying to use the phone for something else besides a modem maybe? |
| 21:20.48 | Robi_ | man tis sucks |
| 21:20.51 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic : so what all u do is plug ur phone in usb and select just charge and ur connection appears on your computer? |
| 21:21.08 | Robi_ | i had tweed on my phone and now i asks me to pay for it |
| 21:21.17 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: i dont use windows, idk what windows people do |
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| 21:21.23 | JMyaDaGod | lol |
| 21:23.21 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic :I think my problem is that it is trying to use the pre as something besides a modem and that is conflicting with it and maybe when it sleeps or i get a call it shuts that off and allows it to be a modem maybe |
| 21:25.29 | Robi_ | again I needed tethering and didn't have it |
| 21:25.48 | Robi_ | whats the .conf url for the testing feed ? |
| 21:27.16 | Robi_ | or does the preware bootstrap take care of that? |
| 21:27.28 | JMyaDaGod | i dont think it does |
| 21:28.08 | Robi_ | i have the beta preware just not feed |
| 21:29.35 | JMyaDaGod | someone told me it was this but i cant get it to work , but i am a noob . /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/webosinternalstesting.conf Dont know if its right though |
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| 21:30.52 | Robi_ | that can be the location yes but i need the bits inside |
| 21:31.34 | JMyaDaGod | i dont know lol someone told me to go to terminal type nano /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/webosinternalstesting.conf and it should work but it didnt for me so i dont know |
| 21:32.17 | GNUtoo|oeee | hi, I saw that msmcommd was commited to oe, Is there more details on that effort to be able to use the palm pre modem with FSO |
| 21:32.33 | Robi_ | JMyaDaGod: that's half way there |
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| 21:33.08 | JMyaDaGod | robi_ :and then what do i/we need? |
| 21:33.51 | Robi_ | i need to figure that out myself |
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| 21:34.01 | Robi_ | but for some reason I can't ssh in |
| 21:34.04 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: you dont use the phone a modem with freeTether |
| 21:34.10 | PuffTheMagic | you use it like you would use a cable modem |
| 21:35.46 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic : ok sorry used wrong words it just seems that something else is taking precident over connecting it as the "freetether modem", and it only works when my phone goes to "sleep". |
| 21:41.28 | Robi_ | PuffTheMagic: you runnign the testing feed? |
| 21:42.39 | Lumiere | PuffTheMagic: does freeTether violate sprint's contract? |
| 21:43.25 | PuffTheMagic | Robi_: no |
| 21:43.51 | PuffTheMagic | Lumiere: i dont think so... since its not really tethering |
| 21:43.57 | Lumiere | ah |
| 21:44.14 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: you might have to disable you wifi/ethernet if they are connected |
| 21:44.33 | JMyaDaGod | Lumiere : i dont know about pre but i used it on my centro and downloaded 12 GB one month and they never said anything |
| 21:45.05 | Lumiere | JMyaDaGod: I did similar with my 755p just streaming music to the palm |
| 21:45.59 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic : it just seems weird i can get it to work sometimes but cant figure out what is causing it to work and not work i think i got it though ...... hold on a sec imma double check it |
| 21:46.30 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: you probably we doing real tethering on your centro |
| 21:46.40 | JMyaDaGod | yea i was |
| 21:46.41 | PuffTheMagic | freeTether does not put the phone into a "modem" state |
| 21:46.51 | PuffTheMagic | this is simply ip forwarding+nat |
| 21:47.05 | PuffTheMagic | its the same thing as if you turned a normal linux box into a router |
| 21:47.11 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic : how long do u ussually have to wait for it to contect to ur system? |
| 21:47.21 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: its instant |
| 21:48.19 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic : not for me i dont know why hmmm..... it seems if i let it go for a little it connects in about 2 -3 min |
| 21:49.05 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: sounds like your networking setup in windows7 isnt doing what you want it to, sorry cant help with that |
| 21:49.33 | JMyaDaGod | im on 7 i am going to check on a xp system see if there difference and try to figure a way around it by disabling some stuff |
| 21:50.38 | JMyaDaGod | it seems to work if i put it on airplane mode take it off |
| 21:51.12 | destinal | JMyaDaGod: I've noticed sometimes restarting my EVDO connection that way fixes it |
| 21:51.26 | destinal | not related to any tethering, I don't use that |
| 21:51.31 | destinal | just regular use |
| 21:53.32 | Robi_ | woohoo got it fixed thru TERMINAL |
| 21:53.34 | Robi_ | ugh |
| 21:53.46 | JMyaDaGod | Robi_ :fixed what? |
| 21:53.57 | Robi_ | testing feed |
| 21:54.08 | JMyaDaGod | can u pass on the next steps lol |
| 21:54.15 | Robi_ | uh it's not a good idea |
| 21:54.21 | Robi_ | esp since you odnt know what you're doing :P |
| 21:54.28 | JMyaDaGod | lol |
| 21:54.40 | JMyaDaGod | did u use nano? |
| 21:54.45 | Robi_ | vi |
| 21:55.07 | Robi_ | i dont even have anno installed yet |
| 21:55.13 | Robi_ | s/anno/nano |
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| 22:02.08 | JMyaDaGod | you guys see this : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/13/trojan_dialer_comeback/ |
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| 22:04.11 | PreRobi | ugh comcast.. |
| 22:05.36 | WillJitsu | is there a way to show only free apps by last updated in Preware? |
| 22:06.10 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: at the moment, no. A preference to hide paid apps seems to be a popular request. |
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| 22:06.49 | destinal | rwhitby: 20 bridge interfaces seems not to be the norm, but something I did somehow :) |
| 22:06.57 | destinal | which I'm glad to know |
| 22:07.06 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: ok thanks. also, did ya'll decide against putting some kind of color or badge on the paid apps? |
| 22:07.36 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: didn't decide against anything :-) |
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| 22:08.53 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: ah ok. I think it would be a good idea just for a quick visual scan of the differences. not sure if that's easy to implement or not, but it would be nice imo :) |
| 22:10.28 | rwhitby | yeah, a little dollar sign overlay on the icon or something |
| 22:10.43 | WillJitsu | yeah |
| 22:11.15 | PuffTheMagic | JMyaDaGod: i've used that freeTehter for hours on end over night downloading torrents |
| 22:11.22 | PuffTheMagic | it should work continuously |
| 22:16.28 | jacques | Sorry, you have to be logged in to download this item. Access Denied You are already logged in. - oooookaaaaay ... |
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| 22:21.57 | jmya | PuffTheMagic I am on it now i dont have a problem staying connected it just takes a couple min to get connected gonna try some torrents now IPT down so i gotta go somewhere else brb |
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| 22:26.38 | PreRobi | so uh does freetether do wifi tethering or only usb? |
| 22:26.38 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic : whats average speed u get? |
| 22:26.56 | JMyaDaGod | only usb and bluetooth |
| 22:32.01 | Robi_ | bah |
| 22:32.04 | Robi_ | i really need wifi |
| 22:32.10 | Robi_ | time to script that myself |
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| 22:35.08 | Robi_ | is mytether abandoned? |
| 22:36.01 | hucksy | quake/doom wont run on my 1.3.5.2 european pre |
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| 22:36.05 | hucksy | any known issues? |
| 22:36.42 | bpadalino|work | any idea why it doesn't run ? |
| 22:37.52 | hucksy | there is an notification "doom/quake: starting" and then... nothing |
| 22:38.42 | Kyusaku | mytether is not abandoned it's just donation-ware and messes up camera and 3D gaming to get wifi tethering working |
| 22:41.51 | bpadalino|work | hucksy, that sounds terrible .. can you start it from the commandline ? |
| 22:42.27 | Kyusaku | Robi: PuffTheMagic has trying to break down the new mbilehotspot service to see if he can get it working before Verizon Pre hits |
| 22:42.39 | Kyusaku | has been trying* |
| 22:42.56 | destinal | Kyusaku: actually it's me who has been trying :) |
| 22:42.56 | hucksy | bpadalino|work: i will try |
| 22:42.57 | hucksy | sec |
| 22:43.24 | Kyusaku | my mistake |
| 22:43.31 | destinal | Kyusaku: so far I've been able to get status information and somehow created a ton of bridge interfaces |
| 22:43.37 | destinal | so it's a ways off |
| 22:44.05 | destinal | too bad it's c and not java :) |
| 22:44.24 | Robi_ | Kyusaku: why does it even mess with the camera? |
| 22:44.43 | destinal | Robi_: it messes with the kernel |
| 22:44.47 | Robi_ | destinal: whats the complication now for creating an ad-hoc network? |
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| 22:45.11 | Robi_ | new kernel removed ad-hoc support? |
| 22:45.27 | destinal | Robi_: well I'm trying to use the fully packaged palm mobilehotspot service, so I'm working on reverse engineering its interfaces |
| 22:45.51 | Robi_ | ah yes i noticed it running already |
| 22:46.03 | destinal | Robi_: have to figure out what its methods are (done I think) and what the parameters to those methods are (nowhere near done) |
| 22:46.25 | Robi_ | cool, let me know if I can assist |
| 22:46.35 | Robi_ | i have an extra per here to mess with for 2 weeks |
| 22:46.38 | Robi_ | and a 3rd shipped |
| 22:46.48 | Robi_ | wil have that in a few days |
| 22:47.17 | Robi_ | s/per/pre |
| 22:47.40 | destinal | Robi_: for now try luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.mobilehotspot/sysInfo {} Jan |
| 22:47.52 | destinal | err s/ Jan// |
| 22:48.03 | destinal | luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.mobilehotspot/sysInfo |
| 22:48.10 | hucksy | bpadalino|work: mmh, how? ;) cant find a quake binary |
| 22:48.13 | destinal | s{} |
| 22:48.17 | destinal | can't type |
| 22:48.33 | Robi_ | heh paste! |
| 22:48.50 | destinal | Robi_: that failed also, I got that Jan by mistake. ignore the Jan |
| 22:49.15 | Robi_ | ya hang on i gotta get ssh working, novacom stinks for cli work |
| 22:49.39 | rwhitby | I find novaterm inside iTerm quite useable :-) |
| 22:49.58 | rwhitby | but prefer editing files over wifi using Emacs and tramp ... |
| 22:50.16 | rwhitby | hey mickeyl |
| 22:50.54 | destinal | hucksy: cd /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.sdlquake/bin; ./quake |
| 22:51.19 | Robi_ | ugh whats | in term |
| 22:51.35 | destinal | orange + . |
| 22:51.48 | hucksy | mh |
| 22:51.50 | hucksy | works |
| 22:51.53 | hucksy | frm the commandline |
| 22:52.03 | hucksy | only the start-icons are broken |
| 22:52.05 | hucksy | interesting |
| 22:52.15 | hucksy | thanks :) |
| 22:52.59 | Robi_ | k time for dropbear |
| 22:53.04 | mickeyl | hi rwhitby |
| 22:53.07 | mickeyl | how are things? |
| 22:53.33 | destinal | hucksy: easy fix, edit /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.sdlquake/appinf.json and change web to game after "type", then change "index.html" to "bin/quake" after "main" |
| 22:53.49 | destinal | then luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/rescan {} |
| 22:54.07 | hucksy | cool, thanks :) |
| 22:54.14 | destinal | hucksy: probably there was a problem with your upstart service but this should cause direct launch |
| 22:54.50 | destinal | appinfo.json not appinf |
| 22:54.58 | mickeyl | rwhitby: it's good to see that webos-internals is a vibrant community. unfortunately the modem situation has pretty much taken the wind out of our sails :/ |
| 22:55.10 | mickeyl | still morphis works on it, so there's hope |
| 22:55.32 | Robi_ | oh sonuva bitch |
| 22:55.36 | destinal | mickeyl: would it not be a free enough smart phone dot org if you borrow the services from webos and make dbus calls? |
| 22:55.40 | Robi_ | dropbear is keys only too, rwhitby wtf |
| 22:55.48 | destinal | mickeyl: probably not I suppose |
| 22:56.00 | mickeyl | destinal: no, i'm afraid the idea of our middleware is our middleware ;) |
| 22:56.22 | mickeyl | i'd love to keep webos though |
| 22:56.54 | rwhitby | mickeyl: did you see that we have evas stuff working on the Pre ? |
| 22:57.00 | destinal | mickeyl: I'd actually like to reimplement all the stuff open source one by one, but to do that we need to understand the modem also :) |
| 22:57.01 | mickeyl | yeah, read it |
| 22:57.24 | mickeyl | destinal: check msmcommd on git.fso, there's some work underwaa |
| 22:57.24 | mickeyl | y |
| 22:57.29 | rwhitby | Robi_: keys all the way. |
| 22:57.45 | Robi_ | at least have 2 packages with diff configs |
| 22:57.55 | Robi_ | it's dump I have to FIX it every time |
| 22:58.01 | Robi_ | p-b |
| 22:58.06 | PuffTheMagic | Kyusaku: no i havent, destinal has.... but i might use some of that code in freeTether |
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| 22:58.26 | Kyusaku | Puff: yeah destinal chimed in |
| 22:58.39 | rwhitby | Robi_: no way to give a password through Preware, and we're certainly not going to open up an iPhone worm hole |
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| 22:59.57 | Robi_ | rwhitby: no password needed. just tell people to use terminal to adduser and set a password, disable root |
| 23:04.16 | destinal | rwhitby: there could be a way to give a password through preware actually |
| 23:05.15 | Robi_ | have a secondary package add the user and set a passw of your choosing |
| 23:05.29 | destinal | not necessarily simple. if a package had some data in it describing pre-postinst parameters requested, it could prompt for them, write them to a parameters database that postinst scripts could read from |
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| 23:05.35 | destinal | maybe it needs more thought |
| 23:06.46 | rwhitby | Robi_: so a third rogue webOS app can come along and overwrite the password? no thanks. |
| 23:06.53 | oc80z | whats good |
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| 23:07.01 | oc80z | hi alkos333 |
| 23:07.16 | bpadalino|work | mickeyl: how can someone help get involved with the msmcomm stuff ? |
| 23:07.22 | rwhitby | oc80z: app catalog feeds in Preware, and the WIDK (new name for WebOS Internals PDK, since it will be more than a PDK) |
| 23:07.39 | oc80z | rwhitby thoughts on the 'web only apps' |
| 23:08.13 | mickeyl | bpadalino|work: contact us on webos-internals mailing list or smartphones-userland@linuxtogo.org; we have decoded the basic frame types, but not yet the payload, so there's still a lot to do. |
| 23:08.16 | destinal | rwhitby: I seem to recall that only the owning app can write to the db of that app. I could be wrong |
| 23:08.27 | oc80z | I scooped tha tup! |
| 23:08.29 | mickeyl | bpadalino|work: morphis is the expert on that, he reads both lists i think |
| 23:09.18 | bpadalino|work | mickeyl: no irc channel ? |
| 23:09.32 | rwhitby | destinal: I think it would need something like ipkgservice or zenity for the challenge/response |
| 23:09.33 | oc80z | btw, the quick installed failed about 4 times on mass-install. |
| 23:09.34 | oc80z | or 6 *shrug* |
| 23:09.53 | mickeyl | bpadalino|work: FSO developers hang out on #openmoko-cdevel |
| 23:09.54 | oc80z | had socket timeout/close .. would not re-open the socket to the device |
| 23:10.02 | mickeyl | morphis is less often there, though |
| 23:10.10 | bpadalino|work | gotcha |
| 23:10.13 | bpadalino|work | i'll sign up for the ml |
| 23:10.17 | mickeyl | righto |
| 23:10.35 | rwhitby | mickeyl: you guys should get #fso ;-) |
| 23:10.47 | mickeyl | we have #freesmartphone.org |
| 23:11.14 | mickeyl | but as long as the "reference" platform for FSO is the FreeRunner, i'm ok with the traffic happening on #openmoko-cdevel |
| 23:11.18 | mickeyl | although the name is bogus these days |
| 23:11.24 | oc80z | *shrug* did a new preware get pushed? |
| 23:12.27 | bpadalino|work | mickeyl: it's called the MSM Comm Daemon ? |
| 23:12.42 | Robi_ | rwhitby: what? how would it overwrite it with adduser ? |
| 23:12.52 | mickeyl | bpadalino|work: ya, msm communication daemon (msmcomm in git.fso) |
| 23:12.58 | mickeyl | http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=msmcomm.git;a=summary |
| 23:12.59 | Robi_ | that'd be the only sanctioned command |
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| 23:13.06 | bpadalino|work | thanks |
| 23:13.33 | mickeyl | the idea is that this is the lower level daemon that gets used by fsogsmd (which actually implements the phone middleware) |
| 23:13.53 | bpadalino|work | right |
| 23:15.02 | rwhitby | oc80z: yep |
| 23:16.24 | oc80z | nice |
| 23:16.26 | rwhitby | Robi_: you said "have a secondary package add the user and set a passw of your choosing" - I assume you mean a webOS app as the secondary package which gets the password from the user and sets it. That would need a service for a start. And it would need to protect against rogue apps using that service. |
| 23:17.01 | rwhitby | Robi_: it's not impossible to do securely, but it's not trivial either. Just use ssh keys. |
| 23:18.34 | oc80z | speaking of rogue apps.. |
| 23:18.42 | oc80z | the WebOS Only apps secure? Yikes.. |
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| 23:19.48 | destinal | Robi_: if you want to not use ssh keys, you can always ssh in, change the /etc/event.d/dropbear.conf to remove the -g, set a root password, and restart dropbear |
| 23:20.03 | destinal | I don't believe in giving only one option |
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| 23:20.53 | destinal | - /etc/event.d/optware.dropbear sorry |
| 23:21.33 | destinal | just ignore any command lines or paths I type today, I obviously can't do it. |
| 23:21.36 | destinal | :P |
| 23:24.01 | Robi_ | destinal: that's the problem atm I can't get in other than terminal |
| 23:24.10 | Robi_ | its mobi.optware.dropbear |
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| 23:26.54 | Robi_ | argh |
| 23:27.06 | Robi_ | how do I restart eventd |
| 23:27.12 | Robi_ | so it picks up the cahnges |
| 23:27.25 | Robi_ | i can kill sshd all i want it still loads the old config |
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| 23:29.48 | Robi_ | destinal ^ |
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| 23:31.46 | destinal | Robi_: stop optware-dropbear; start optware-dropbear |
| 23:31.55 | destinal | no need to do anything to upstart |
| 23:32.36 | destinal | Robi_: and you could have novaterm'd in before btw |
| 23:32.47 | destinal | right? |
| 23:33.35 | Robi_ | not working for some reason |
| 23:33.43 | Robi_ | novaterm |
| 23:33.51 | Robi_ | i'm sticking with openssh |
| 23:34.21 | oc80z | yeah? |
| 23:34.29 | destinal | Robi_: oh if it's openssh it's PermitRootLogon I think |
| 23:34.35 | destinal | in the openssh config file |
| 23:34.54 | destinal | regardless I can't help further but it should be possible |
| 23:34.55 | Robi_ | no |
| 23:35.14 | Robi_ | i just need to restart event.d/ or whatever to get it to reread the file in there |
| 23:35.37 | destinal | Robi_: you don't need to restart anything |
| 23:35.45 | destinal | Robi_: upstart is immediate |
| 23:36.39 | Robi_ | uhh yes I do |
| 23:36.40 | destinal | we do all kinds edit /etc/event.d/blah, stop blah, start blah |
| 23:36.48 | Robi_ | stop mobi.optware.openssh did the trick |
| 23:37.46 | destinal | driving home bbl |
| 23:39.24 | Robi_ | rwhitby: the service would only be able to do adduser |
| 23:41.30 | rwhitby | Robi_: and how does the service determine that it is a user calling it to add a new user, and not a rogue webos app calling it to add a rogue user that is later used for a worm? |
| 23:41.55 | Robi_ | rwhitby: have a runonce file |
| 23:42.11 | destinal-wirc | change the gravitatioal constant of the universe |
| 23:42.34 | Robi_ | or it removes itself on cleanup like EPR |
| 23:42.51 | destinal-wirc | and don't change services for adding users |
| 23:43.35 | rwhitby | Robi_: since it would be a signed service, a rogue webos app could call ipkgservice to reinstall it and then use it |
| 23:44.07 | Robi_ | rwhitby: this could go on for decades and the functionality never appear, it's not the answer |
| 23:44.21 | Robi_ | there's always a way around something |
| 23:44.26 | rwhitby | correct, it's not the answer. the answer has to be secure. |
| 23:45.18 | Robi_ | here, you make adduser only work with uid 1001 |
| 23:45.20 | Robi_ | if it exists it wont work |
| 23:45.45 | Robi_ | already done, rogue app has to do the heavy lifting |
| 23:45.47 | yetdog_work | has anyone here successfully embedded a googlemaps object into an app that supports pinch to zoom, by any change? :) |
| 23:45.50 | yetdog_work | chance* |
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| 23:47.11 | rwhitby | Robi_: alternatively, the user could just use ssh keys ... |
| 23:47.25 | Robi_ | that's not an option |
| 23:48.09 | Robi_ | what about a rogue app that copies your ssh keys? |
| 23:49.12 | destinal-wirc | hates this topic. |
| 23:49.19 | destinal-wirc | lets have another |
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| 23:50.04 | Robi_ | hey i've come up with at least 3 ways to increase the level of security, i think that's very reasonable |
| 23:50.32 | rwhitby | Robi_: a rogue app does not have access to your private key |
| 23:50.57 | rwhitby | and if a rogue app already has a way to trojan the ssh server, then you've lost the game already |
| 23:51.16 | rwhitby | (we're talking about a rogue webOS app, installable using fileCoaster, here) |
| 23:51.41 | Robi_ | if someone's trying hard enough, they'll get in |
| 23:51.43 | destinal-wirc | rogue apps have root anyway :P |
| 23:51.50 | Robi_ | exactly |
| 23:51.58 | muesli | is there a gui way to forcefully reinstall packages on my palm? the ipkg database thinks a few patches are installed when they're actually not |
| 23:52.01 | destinal-wirc | type game |
| 23:52.26 | destinal-wirc | I know palm will fix it |
| 23:52.36 | Robi_ | muesli: remove/install |
| 23:52.37 | destinal-wirc | but I had to be a smartass |
| 23:52.44 | Robi_ | bbl |
| 23:52.48 | muesli | Robi_: won't work with patches because the patch failed |
| 23:52.58 | muesli | (inside the postrm script) |
| 23:53.12 | Robi_ | only way i know how to check is with quilt |
| 23:53.32 | Robi_ | muesli: you may just have to run EPR |
| 23:53.50 | muesli | i guess i could do it via ssh... |
| 23:54.03 | muesli | certainly there's some option to pass to ipkg on the cli |
| 23:54.25 | Robi_ | ipkg doens't know about patches afaik |
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| 23:55.09 | Robi_ | post-inst fails because the .js is already modified as to what it's supposed to be |
| 23:56.08 | muesli | nope, it's actually not, that's the thing |
| 23:56.16 | muesli | it has marked this package / patch as installed |
| 23:56.19 | muesli | but it's not |
| 23:56.28 | muesli | the files on the palm are original, no patch applied |
| 23:56.36 | Robi_ | then you gotta remove it |
| 23:56.59 | muesli | well that doesn't work, because then it tries to re-patch / remove the diff from the .js file |
| 23:57.01 | muesli | and _that_ fails |
| 23:57.13 | Robi_ | which patch we talkin about? |
| 23:57.23 | Robi_ | some patches interfere with others |
| 23:57.52 | muesli | Robi_: see, what happened was that i updated my phone to 1.3.5.2 but had issues with that, so i doctored it |
| 23:58.04 | muesli | the ipkg database now thinks that my old patches are still installed |
| 23:58.11 | muesli | but they're not since i doctored my phone |
| 23:58.47 | Robi_ | why didn't the ipkg db get cleared |
| 23:59.17 | muesli | "i'm not a doctor" - heh i don't know |
| 23:59.27 | muesli | my guess it that the ota 1.3.5 update moved stuff to /media/internals |
| 23:59.34 | muesli | which doesnt' get wiped when i doctor my phone |
| 23:59.42 | rwhitby | muesli: the ipkg database got migrated |
| 23:59.53 | rwhitby | did you run EPR before updating? |
| 23:59.58 | muesli | rwhitby: yeah, that's what i was trying to say |
