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| 00:03.16 | rb2k | is there a service that spawns services on demand yet? |
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| 00:04.51 | rwhitby | rb2k: upstart manager service |
| 00:07.11 | rb2k | ah ok |
| 00:07.22 | rb2k | so that basically listens in the background |
| 00:07.28 | rb2k | and whenever an app needs something native |
| 00:07.32 | rb2k | it can tell upstart to launch it |
| 00:07.46 | rwhitby | rb2k: what use case are you envisioning? |
| 00:07.58 | rb2k | nothing, just reading a bit into the platform :) |
| 00:08.11 | rb2k | well, more poking instead of reading |
| 00:08.19 | tmzt | Palm can do it? |
| 00:08.21 | tmzt | Palm can do it |
| 00:08.29 | tmzt | with type:game |
| 00:08.33 | tmzt | why a service? |
| 00:08.56 | rb2k | huh? |
| 00:09.09 | rb2k | do you mean that the games use C stuff without a service? |
| 00:09.11 | rwhitby | tmzt: huh? |
| 00:09.34 | tmzt | dBsooner: mw just uses php's upload stuff which puts it in a file on the server, so you are probably getting it overwritten |
| 00:09.44 | rwhitby | type:game can only launch a single binary from an app launcher icon. I'm not sure that's what rb2k is asking for. |
| 00:09.50 | dBsooner | ? |
| 00:10.03 | tmzt | yeah, you really mean a service sorry |
| 00:10.05 | dBsooner | tmzt: no the files don't exist |
| 00:10.21 | dBsooner | tmzt: i think i know what's wrong and have corrected it. |
| 00:10.44 | tmzt | hmm, well when I looked at it that was how it worked but I decided not to use it and didn't go any furthur |
| 00:10.57 | tmzt | (mediawiki and it's upload) |
| 00:11.07 | tmzt | okay, cool |
| 00:11.52 | destinal | rb2k: games are native binaries with SDL |
| 00:12.41 | hape_ | dBsooner: Did you got the mail with the patches? |
| 00:12.59 | rb2k | ah, ok |
| 00:13.00 | rb2k | cool |
| 00:16.43 | dBsooner | hape_: I did.. I didn't get them in yet though. |
| 00:17.44 | hape_ | thaths ok, only whant to know if they reatched you |
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| 00:31.51 | Vince42 | i am trying to log into my pre via openssh - it used to work, but i get this "server refused our key" message again and /var/log/messages moans "2010-01-17T00:27:34.232086Z [205851] palm-webos-device authpriv.warning dropbear [19097]: user 'root' has invalid shell, rejected" ... have there been changes by updating to 1.3.5.x? |
| 00:32.33 | rwhitby | Vince42: what shell does root have in /etc/passwd, and is that shell in /etc/shells ? |
| 00:33.39 | Vince42 | passwd: root:something:0:0:root:/home/root:/bin/sh |
| 00:33.55 | Vince42 | shells is empty |
| 00:34.04 | rwhitby | use openssh server on the Pre instead. |
| 00:34.36 | Vince42 | k, will install it right away - it's that dropbear, who is not fully fledged, right? |
| 00:35.10 | Vince42 | btw: the OpenSSH page on the wiki has been drastically shortened compared to the stuff we did in December - any idea why? |
| 00:35.28 | rwhitby | Vince42: cause it's all in preware now |
| 00:36.09 | Vince42 | in the description of the openssh package? |
| 00:36.22 | dBsooner | rwhitby: that patch is updated |
| 00:36.29 | dBsooner | the one you wanted... really silent I think? |
| 00:36.30 | Vince42 | is the root password also set there? or is it no longer necessary? |
| 00:36.39 | rwhitby | Vince42: we use ssh keys only now |
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| 00:37.04 | Vince42 | ic - great - that eases a lot :) |
| 00:37.04 | destinal | Vince42: dropbear is great |
| 00:37.21 | Vince42 | destinal: but doesn't allow me to log in :P |
| 00:37.24 | destinal | it's just smaller, made for embedded devices |
| 00:37.50 | destinal | Vince42: you have to set up a key or log in by novaterm and change it to allow password based logins |
| 00:38.19 | rwhitby | destinal: dropbear is smaller and slower |
| 00:38.20 | Vince42 | i have everything set up as i used to log in like that before i updated to 1.3.5.x |
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| 00:38.41 | destinal | rwhitby: sure, but memory is kind of at a premium and I don't need it to be fast |
| 00:38.55 | Vince42 | hmmm ... preware tells me that i already installed openssh *gulp* |
| 00:39.17 | destinal | if I get a pre plus then I'll run openssh in my vast abundance of RAM |
| 00:39.18 | rwhitby | Vince42: 1.3.5 probably removed the user from /etc/passwd - once of the reasons why I don't recommend a separate user any more, cause to do it you need to mess with palm files that will be overwritten any time base-package gets updated |
| 00:39.44 | Vince42 | i logged in as root - cuz you recommended that in december :P |
| 00:39.45 | rwhitby | destinal: once we have upstart manager service control it, that won't be a problem |
| 00:39.49 | destinal | rwhitby: I've kept root across many versions, I don't use the extra user |
| 00:40.03 | destinal | 1.3.5 included |
| 00:40.25 | rwhitby | destinal: right, cause you have a strong root password. |
| 00:40.38 | rwhitby | and hence are not vulnerable to the iphone worm |
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| 00:41.32 | destinal | *nods*. I just don't think keys are a one size fits all solution. |
| 00:41.35 | rwhitby | destinal: actually, did it retain your root password from 1.2 to 1.3, or did it delete it? |
| 00:41.52 | rwhitby | destinal: they are for people who don't know how to edit an upstart script |
| 00:41.57 | destinal | hmm, I don't know actually I think I doctored 1.3.2 and OTA'd to 1.3.5 |
| 00:42.14 | destinal | I think it kept it from 1.2 to 1.3 though |
| 00:42.14 | Vince42 | OpenSSH is installed already - how do i convince the pre to use openssh instead of dropbear then? or do i need to uninstall dropbear? |
| 00:42.25 | rwhitby | destinal: right, I expect someone's strong root password would have been set to empty in a 1.2.1 to 1.3.1 OTA update |
| 00:42.54 | rwhitby | so if we used root password auth, they would now be vulnerable, |
| 00:43.17 | rwhitby | (although maybe an empty password check would save them) |
| 00:43.21 | destinal | hmm, to empty really? |
| 00:43.52 | destinal | yeah that wouldn't be good. I also don't allow connections from EVDO |
| 00:43.57 | rwhitby | destinal: basically, I abhor changes to Palm files, when there is an alternative method which does not change Palm files. |
| 00:44.13 | rwhitby | since eventually you will get screwed if you do that |
| 00:44.21 | destinal | rwhitby: but, they're all MY files.. :P |
| 00:44.39 | rwhitby | destinal: only if you turn off updates |
| 00:44.48 | rwhitby | if updates are on, they are Palm's files |
| 00:45.05 | rwhitby | (and they reinforce that by sending them back to themselves regularly) |
| 00:45.19 | Vince42 | *slight cough* |
| 00:45.22 | destinal | oh, rxdx? |
| 00:45.28 | destinal | totally optional |
| 00:45.35 | rwhitby | turned on by default |
| 00:45.43 | destinal | yeah, there is that |
| 00:46.19 | rwhitby | anyway, that's my rationale for the defaults for openssh and dropbear in preware. people who know enough to argue about them also know enough to change them :-) |
| 00:46.38 | rwhitby | people who don't remain safe across OTA updates |
| 00:46.38 | Vince42 | so, obviously both dropbear and openssh are installed already ... |
| 00:47.03 | destinal | rwhitby: on the one hand, you're right. on the other hand, leaving the impression that it's not flexible and a pain in the ass... |
| 00:47.08 | rwhitby | Vince42: uninstall both, then install OpenSSH via Preware and use the homepage link in Preware for openssh to set up keys |
| 00:47.23 | Vince42 | k |
| 00:47.28 | rwhitby | destinal: security always is a pain :-) |
| 00:48.51 | rwhitby | destinal: if we can work out a way to secure set a password, and enforce a strong password, and know that it won't be removed by an OTA update, I'm all for it. |
| 00:49.05 | rwhitby | at the moment, I don't know how to do that. |
| 00:49.40 | destinal | rwhitby: hmm.. I'll think about it. we could use an alternate password file for optware daemons, I suppose. |
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| 00:51.00 | destinal | and have an app to set it and check strength. I think it should do what passwd does and warn about weakness rather than dictate to users they WILL use a strong one (again, it's my phone, my choice) |
| 00:52.02 | destinal | I know you've generally been more about, well if they don't know enough they don't get a choice. That seems un-free to me |
| 00:52.27 | dBsooner | rwhitby: retweet PLEASE? :) |
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| 00:55.45 | rwhitby | destinal: no, I'm about giving choice between easy options that don't hurt, but allowing anyone to still go in via command line and shoot themselves. |
| 00:56.12 | destinal | rwhitby: but that totally eliminates the user friendly suicide options! :P |
| 00:57.42 | destinal | anyway I'll give it some thought on how to do it right, but remember that passwd doesn't say, no, your password strength sucks, if you want to use that you'll have to crypt() it by hand and put it in the file |
| 00:58.20 | rwhitby | destinal: as long as the passwd warning is displayed to the user, and cannot be gotten around by a rogue webos app, no problems. |
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| 00:59.15 | destinal | of course we'll have to ban "apline" :P |
| 00:59.32 | destinal | s/apl/alp/ |
| 01:00.50 | rwhitby | destinal: why would you remove that choice from the user? don't you advocate them having free choice? |
| 01:01.13 | rwhitby | are are you just drawing the line of helpful security slightly different to me? |
| 01:01.21 | rwhitby | s/are are/or are/ |
| 01:02.00 | Vince42 | rwhitby: that did it ... thanks a lot. Would it be clever to inform the user about the ambiguity of having DropBear *and* OpenSSH installed at a time? |
| 01:02.03 | azakus | useful bot command |
| 01:02.10 | destinal | rwhitby: I was joking about alpine actually |
| 01:02.40 | destinal | I want to enforce secure defaults but provide options |
| 01:02.43 | rwhitby | Vince42: for the Preware packages, there is a defined priority if you have both installed |
| 01:02.50 | rwhitby | (openssh takes priority) |
| 01:03.15 | destinal | rwhitby: it is an interesting balancing act |
| 01:03.17 | rwhitby | Vince42: if it doesn't that's a bug |
| 01:03.23 | Vince42 | ah, ic ... i already wondered why dropbear was installed and was still shown to me in optware feed for installation - i kinda understand :) |
| 01:04.01 | dtzWill|away | geist: yt? what are the typicall arm registers for parameters? |
| 01:04.08 | rwhitby | Vince42: packages installed via ipkg-opt are in a different ipkg database from those installed via Preware. |
| 01:04.34 | dtzWill|away | geist: ah found it in log earlier from you tyvm. sorry :):) |
| 01:04.44 | Vince42 | just out of curiosity: even if i don't need them atm - is it clever to just install all optware packages in case i will need them one fine day? or is it somehow a waste of resources? |
| 01:05.06 | rwhitby | Vince42: waste of resources. you can always install them later OTA with Preware |
| 01:05.16 | Vince42 | k |
| 01:05.29 | rwhitby | especially, e.g., Lighty Web Server. |
| 01:05.49 | rwhitby | whilst by default they will be safe and secure, they will use resources. |
| 01:06.02 | Vince42 | ah, k |
| 01:06.16 | rwhitby | (if any are not safe and secure by default, it's a bug) |
| 01:07.55 | destinal | thinks running a web server on one's phone is generally very silly. |
| 01:07.57 | destinal | but again, options |
| 01:09.49 | destinal | I know someone was doing GPS tracking with a php script run out of cron, which, uh, I have nothing good to say about |
| 01:10.08 | destinal | but again, your linux box, rock out |
| 01:13.06 | rwhitby | destinal: web server on the phone makes it easy to quickly port things like cacti for graphing your phone's network usage on various interfaces |
| 01:13.28 | destinal | shudders |
| 01:13.47 | destinal | snmp and a web interface? |
| 01:13.59 | rwhitby | destinal: I said "quickly" port |
| 01:14.09 | rwhitby | i.e. just run an optware package |
| 01:14.14 | destinal | yeah, the flexibility is awesome |
| 01:14.16 | destinal | don't get me wrong |
| 01:15.33 | destinal | if someone asked before I got the pre if a phone that had apps based on javascript / html /css and in webkit would be a good idea, I would have been totally against it, which just goes to show that various layers of abstraction can be useful to some people where least expected |
| 01:16.04 | destinal | not great on performance, generally, though |
| 01:16.28 | zsoc | I agree, this phone is terrible |
| 01:16.31 | zsoc | and I love it |
| 01:16.45 | destinal | zsoc: yeah, it's so internally conflicting |
| 01:16.47 | destinal | :) |
| 01:17.11 | destinal | glad we got native apps, now there's all kinds of choice |
| 01:17.34 | zsoc | once we get all the bridges built |
| 01:17.39 | destinal | *nods* |
| 01:20.14 | Vince42 | is there a gui for knock yet? |
| 01:22.01 | Vince42 | and does the ipkg-opt knock package include a client too? |
| 01:23.28 | rwhitby | Vince42: dunno |
| 01:23.53 | Vince42 | k |
| 01:25.33 | Vince42 | what do you guys use for editing tons of addresses - is Exchange the only way to do that? Cuz i don't want to expose all my contacts to google, facebook or whatever ... |
| 01:26.26 | Rick-home | Vince define "editing tons of addresses" |
| 01:26.43 | destinal | Vince42: what's knock, like for port knocking or something else? |
| 01:27.04 | Vince42 | destinal: yep |
| 01:27.10 | destinal | ah |
| 01:27.31 | destinal | well you could easily put a knock.sh in a shell script in an icon if you don't need a gui |
| 01:27.47 | destinal | using the packaging technique here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Building_DOOM_with_scratchbox2 |
| 01:27.54 | Vince42 | Rick-home: well, i needed to bring all my addresses to my palm, thus i imported them from vcfs - but all my addresses have been corrupted as the umlauts were not properly converted |
| 01:28.08 | Rick-home | Vince42 got it. |
| 01:28.17 | Vince42 | destinal: that's exactly what i was looking for, thx :) |
| 01:28.21 | Rick-home | Vince42 what program do you have them in on the desktop? |
| 01:29.28 | Vince42 | i had them in palm desktop |
| 01:29.45 | Vince42 | now i am completely without any app |
| 01:30.32 | destinal | Vince42: they're not still in palm desktop? |
| 01:30.38 | Vince42 | i tried several variants, but nothing was really "nice" - so i ended up in spending some hours in a cafe rewriting all my addresses ... |
| 01:30.44 | destinal | ouch |
| 01:31.09 | Rick-home | Vince42 do you STILL have them in palm desktop? Is that file still available? |
| 01:31.21 | Vince42 | yes |
| 01:31.52 | Rick-home | then, just use http://www.chapura.com/echo.php |
| 01:32.10 | Rick-home | which is a bi-directional sync from palm desktop to the pre. |
| 01:32.18 | Vince42 | tried that one: it's crappy - at least it didn't allow proper two-way sync afair |
| 01:32.27 | Rick-home | really? |
| 01:32.37 | Vince42 | something was missing with the chapura - yeah, i was greatly disappointed |
| 01:32.52 | Vince42 | thus i threw it out again |
| 01:33.09 | Rick-home | Vince42 did you try it after their 2.0 release? |
| 01:33.19 | Rick-home | if not, you should update, since you already have it. |
| 01:33.23 | Vince42 | not sure - i will read the release notes now :) |
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| 01:34.34 | Rick-home | it's pretty solid at this point. the one released on Friday is really quite good. |
| 01:34.35 | Vince42 | a little drawback with echo is, that they don't sync memos and todos ... |
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| 01:34.54 | Rick-home | ((cough cough)) You were asking about addresses..... |
| 01:35.18 | Rick-home | but actually, they DO sync those things now. |
| 01:35.19 | destinal | bbl |
| 01:35.32 | ryan_gahl | hi all |
| 01:36.06 | Vince42 | Rick-home: i'll give it a try - np :) |
| 01:36.35 | Rick-home | when we tested it it was utterly seemless. |
| 01:38.57 | Vince42 | now i am excited - this will keep me busy for the rest of the night (reinstalling pd, echo, testing) - hehehehe |
| 01:39.05 | Vince42 | and it's all your fault :P |
| 01:39.05 | ryan_gahl | so, I just have not been able to get this, and i know it's because I'm extra lame - I got through all the PDK install steps (great instructions, btw!)... then ran make build for ScummVM - peeked at the makefile to see where the output was, found /media/cryptofs/ dir, but it's empty in file explorer as well as via ls in terminal (but oddly when i do a file viewer search for 'scummvm' i then can see a scummvm.exe but can't do anyth |
| 01:40.54 | ryan_gahl | any1 :)? am i doing something wrong if I can't find the output from the make build of the scummvm package? |
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| 01:43.24 | PdxJohn | looks around |
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| 01:47.09 | ryan_gahl | well... that's not encouraging |
| 01:47.16 | ryan_gahl | hm |
| 01:47.28 | zsoc | ? |
| 01:47.35 | Vince42 | just be patient - somebody will answer one fine day ... :P |
| 01:47.39 | ryan_gahl | :) |
| 01:48.14 | ryan_gahl | no worries, just dying to get past the oh-so-close stage |
| 01:49.33 | destinal-wirc | rwhitby: are logs stopped or is it just my browser cache |
| 01:51.12 | ryan_gahl | do i need to chmod 777 the cryptofs folder before making? |
| 01:51.16 | ryan_gahl | perhaps? |
| 01:51.50 | ryan_gahl | ... feeling stupid :( |
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| 01:52.30 | destinal-wirc | ryan: what |
| 01:52.50 | ryan_gahl | hey destinal |
| 01:53.15 | ryan_gahl | sry - ran throught the PDK steps, everything went smooth (thanks to you guys' great directions) |
| 01:53.27 | destinal-wirc | why |
| 01:53.43 | ryan_gahl | final step though, made scummvm... can't figure out where the output is (cryptofs folder reports emptiness) |
| 01:53.52 | ryan_gahl | why? |
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| 01:55.33 | ryan_gahl | so i'm missing a fundamental understanding of this build process i guess |
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| 02:09.38 | dBsooner-Pre | rwhitby.. big problem |
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| 02:37.03 | acydlord | so I have a touchstone on its way to me right now |
| 02:37.34 | acydlord | and i know for linux i'm gonna use libnotify and/or conky for the desktop notification push, any idea for windows? |
| 02:46.53 | tmzt | acydlord: what are you working on? |
| 02:47.25 | Towzzer | destinal |
| 02:47.31 | acydlord | tmzt, a service that when the pre/pixi is on the touchstone it will forward notifications to the desktop |
| 02:47.43 | tmzt | cool |
| 02:48.11 | Towzzer | i love touchstone |
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| 02:49.14 | acydlord | i came up with the idea when i looked at my phone one day sitting on my desk and i had missed about 15 messages |
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| 02:49.50 | acydlord | i'm thinking on windows that snarl/growl would be a good notification method |
| 02:49.50 | Towzzer | you should turn on led notifcations |
| 02:49.51 | GreedyB | acydlord that's a really great idea |
| 02:49.54 | Towzzer | that way you know |
| 02:50.04 | GreedyB | yeah led notifications are grand |
| 02:50.25 | acydlord | Towzzer, i have led notifications on but they dont do much when your focus is on the computer screen |
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| 02:50.35 | Towzzer | ah |
| 02:50.37 | acydlord | like if im coding or reading something i dont notice my phone |
| 02:50.58 | acydlord | i think i'll also throw something into the service to output an rss feed |
| 02:51.18 | tmzt | interesting |
| 02:51.18 | acydlord | i think people with the logitech g series keyboards would like that part |
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| 02:53.05 | acydlord | if i use snarl/growl on windows it would easily work in growl on mac |
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| 02:57.28 | acydlord | i think i'll throw a poll up to see what people's favorite notification apps are |
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| 02:59.14 | Towzzer | i wish the pre had more lights |
| 02:59.16 | Towzzer | like a battery led |
| 03:00.04 | acydlord | hands towzzer a dremmel and a bag full of diodes |
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| 03:09.09 | PdxJohn | hello? |
| 03:09.33 | tmzt | hello |
| 03:09.44 | tmzt | you are in the webosinternals channel |
| 03:09.51 | tmzt | its a technical channel |
| 03:10.40 | PdxJohn | yeah I had a question about preware |
| 03:11.15 | Rick-home | then you're in the right place PdxJohn |
| 03:11.24 | Rick-home | ask |
| 03:12.07 | PdxJohn | I have a palm pixi and I was wondering why I don't see quake available on preware? is it only available on the pre due to gpu limitations? |
| 03:12.23 | geist | that's correct |
| 03:12.35 | geist | well, quake i dunno. but GL is only available on the pre |
| 03:12.56 | geist | not sure if that particular package is hw accellerated or not |
| 03:13.18 | Rick-home | PdxJohn it's because Palm (points to the geist over there) has not released the SDL and GL ES libraries for the pixi's processor yet. |
| 03:13.56 | PdxJohn | ah I see, thank you, figured that much but wasn't sure |
| 03:14.03 | Rick-home | PdxJohn 1.3.5 had the libraries in it for the PRE, but they have not been released for the (different cpu by a different manufacturer with a different gpu) Pixi |
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| 03:15.12 | Rick-home | There is some hope that this will be resolved in 1.4, but at this time, 1.4 is under NDA, so even if I did know, I couldn't tell you, and the most you'll get from geist over there is "I can neither confirm or deny." :-) So, patience == it's not just preware tho, you can't get need-for-speed for the pixi either |
| 03:15.13 | PdxJohn | thanks for the help, hope to see more great stuff in the future |
| 03:15.25 | Rick-home | The folks here are working on it. Stop in anytime. |
| 03:15.52 | PdxJohn | kk :) |
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| 03:16.22 | Rick-home | ~geist |
| 03:17.46 | acydlord | the lack of an OMAP proc in the pixi makes me sad in the pants |
| 03:19.09 | geist | :( |
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| 03:20.35 | acydlord | i still wonder if they did that for pricing reasons, or for size |
| 03:21.33 | tmzt | the gpu is pretty nice |
| 03:21.37 | geist | both |
| 03:21.44 | geist | QC makes integrated cpu + modem |
| 03:21.46 | tmzt | arm11 is not so bad either and fpu/vfp rally helps |
| 03:22.09 | tmzt | geist: got Pixi kernel sources fixed? |
| 03:22.15 | geist | no idea |
| 03:22.20 | geist | i am unaware of any such problems |
| 03:22.29 | acydlord | i really want the pixi+ for wifi |
| 03:22.50 | tmzt | missing wifi makes no sense though |
| 03:22.55 | tmzt | it has to be market based |
| 03:23.05 | tmzt | does it have bluetooth? |
| 03:23.14 | acydlord | yeah it has bluetooth |
| 03:23.31 | tmzt | geist: the only Pixi related code in the 2.6.24 patch is the board file |
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| 03:23.53 | tmzt | you said it might be against a git tree but it's clear supposed to be against 2.6.24 vanilla |
| 03:24.08 | tmzt | mach-msm is otherwise empty |
| 03:24.25 | acydlord | i still need to get around to sacrificing the a2dp for bluez on my pre |
| 03:24.27 | geist | i dunno |
| 03:24.57 | tmzt | acydlord: hmm, why do you lose a2dp? |
| 03:25.26 | acydlord | tmzt, from what i was reading there was a conflict with the palm a2dp libs and bluez |
| 03:25.26 | geist | where did you get the patches tmzt? |
| 03:26.05 | acydlord | and i never use bluetooth audio, so i'd rather have bluetooth file transfer |
| 03:26.24 | tmzt | why do you need the palm libs? |
| 03:26.31 | tmzt | geist: opensource.palm.com |
| 03:26.36 | tmzt | 1.3.5 |
| 03:31.48 | geist | yeah, you're right |
| 03:31.52 | geist | that patch is completely busted |
| 03:32.00 | geist | i see what the problem is, it's the patch for pre, not pixi |
| 03:32.19 | geist | we currently have two different kernel trees, so it really needs to be seperate patches for pre and pixi |
| 03:32.22 | geist | it's not the same kenrel at all |
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| 03:34.33 | geist | did we ship 1.3.5 for pixi? |
| 03:34.47 | destinal-away | yes but no source |
| 03:34.50 | geist | did any of the kernel patches for any of the versions ever have pixi bits? is it newly broken? |
| 03:35.00 | geist | or did we just totally screw it up always |
| 03:35.01 | destinal | I think no source anyway |
| 03:35.24 | geist | ah, okay. shooting an email internally. the patches are generated by someone else outside of our team, and they probably didn't know there were two kernel trees |
| 03:35.37 | geist | why board-chuck.c even exists in that tree i dunno |
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| 03:38.23 | tmzt | yeah, that makes sense |
| 03:38.31 | destinal | there's someone named chuck and there's a board named after him? |
| 03:38.42 | tmzt | I think it's a woodchuck |
| 03:38.52 | tmzt | what do I know |
| 03:39.00 | destinal | don't let woodchucks near kernel trees |
| 03:39.09 | destinal | http://instantrimshot.com/ |
| 03:39.24 | tmzt | bgsound? |
| 03:39.34 | tmzt | probably takes a minute to load |
| 03:39.40 | geist | no, pixi is chuck |
| 03:39.46 | geist | pre is sirloin |
| 03:39.50 | destinal | ah |
| 03:40.08 | geist | for kernel stff you have to use an internal machine identifier |
| 03:40.08 | tmzt | geist: cool, can you tell them about the wonders of git as well? |
| 03:40.20 | geist | and you should register it ahead of time, so we use cuts of meat |
| 03:40.29 | destinal | geist: hehe |
| 03:40.38 | tmzt | yes but you have to register mach as well |
| 03:40.46 | geist | MACH_CHUCK, etc |
| 03:40.51 | tmzt | so the secrecy isn't really there |
| 03:40.55 | tmzt | arch I mean |
| 03:41.01 | geist | actually you dont |
| 03:41.09 | geist | the register page doesn't require that you fill anything out really |
| 03:41.30 | tmzt | that's useful, so the mach-types file will be missing important parts |
| 03:41.30 | timepants | whats porterhouse :O |
| 03:41.45 | tmzt | or what's Plus? |
| 03:41.54 | acydlord | geist, when do we get a mingon device? =x |
| 03:42.38 | destinal | porterhouse |
| 03:43.34 | geist | pre+ is sirloin. almost no code changes |
| 03:43.51 | geist | same code runs on both |
| 03:46.29 | destinal | geist: RAM and flash are pin-compatible, aren't they? |
| 03:46.40 | destinal | at least flash |
| 03:47.09 | geist | right |
| 03:47.24 | tmzt | hmm, so ram is kernel param? |
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| 03:48.09 | geist | right. there's a pin or two on the main board that says what type of device it is |
| 03:48.22 | geist | the bootloader reads it, initializes ram properly and passes the version string to the kernel |
| 03:48.29 | geist | you can see it on /proc/cmdline |
| 03:48.56 | tmzt | we can, but we have no Pre Plus :) |
| 03:49.03 | tmzt | also /proc/atags |
| 03:49.18 | geist | yeah, but we dont use atags any more than usual |
| 03:49.19 | tmzt | if it's passed that way rather than cmdline |
| 03:49.32 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: when will the patches you tweeted about show up in Preware? |
| 03:49.39 | geist | memory banks are passed via atags, but in general the linux community seems to favor flattening args to the command line |
| 03:50.07 | tmzt | well guess it's not a world phone, can't see how you would use the same board for that big of a hardware change |
| 03:50.26 | geist | well, also remember that pre has two boards, one for the main system and the other for modem |
| 03:50.33 | geist | the interface between them is pretty small |
| 03:50.51 | geist | all the things that make a pre+ a + is on the main board |
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| 03:57.02 | HiQ | When you WebOSDoctor.. Is it the castlecdma_evt1_fw.tar file that handles resetting the modem and thus meid? |
| 04:00.46 | destinal | HiQ: no, that's the modem firmware |
| 04:01.16 | destinal | I think it's flashed when the version number is greater than what's currently on flash |
| 04:01.53 | destinal | you can read the doctor process if you run java -jar websdoctorwhatever.jar and see it |
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| 04:03.09 | tmzt | hi: that's either efs or meid |
| 04:03.30 | HiQ | Sorry.. I was using a webchat. Kept getting disconnected. |
| 04:03.33 | tmzt | HiQ: that's either efs or mfg |
| 04:03.53 | destinal | HiQ: MEID is stored on partition1, not sure if that's the authoritative copy that the modem uses or if it has the info also |
| 04:04.19 | destinal | probably the latter |
| 04:04.38 | HiQ | destinal: Thank you very much. |
| 04:04.51 | HiQ | tmzt: Thank you too. |
| 04:04.51 | tmzt | geist: I was using 'board' to mean the linux board file and all platform_data, of cousr gpio matrix or some other enumeration strategy coulod be used |
| 04:05.14 | tmzt | destinal: prbably not authoratative, msm must have it's own nand copy |
| 04:05.31 | destinal | tmzt: I think you're right, yeah |
| 04:05.32 | tmzt | wow, two actual boards |
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| 04:06.00 | destinal | tmzt: ? |
| 04:06.37 | destinal | you mean the modem and mainboard? |
| 04:06.46 | tmzt | yes |
| 04:06.57 | destinal | yeah that's interesting |
| 04:07.18 | destinal | I'm sure it's in the teardowns online but I hadn't really looked |
| 04:07.22 | tmzt | and just serial and usb plus wakeup |
| 04:10.06 | tmzt | I guess we could think of Pixi as a new treo pro cdma |
| 04:10.25 | tmzt | that must explain the differing approaches, though packaging and cost are adequate |
| 04:11.53 | destinal | tmzt: I've never held one but people say build quality seems a lot better on pixi |
| 04:12.15 | sdodson | Because pixi has 0 moving parts! |
| 04:12.22 | destinal | yeah, that's likely it |
| 04:12.25 | sdodson | well, a few, but it doesn't have a slider |
| 04:13.25 | tmzt | Pre was somewhat a treo650 series |
| 04:13.31 | tmzt | and Pixi treo pro |
| 04:13.37 | tmzt | the fit is better |
| 04:13.45 | tmzt | though 650 is a substantial brick |
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| 04:22.13 | reality9110 | Am I lagging? |
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| 04:32.46 | destinal | no |
| 04:32.52 | destinal | just a really quiet channel |
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| 04:45.55 | HiQ | So any idea what file/files I'd have to remove/edit from the WebOSDoctor.jar file to make it not change the meid? I've removed the castlecdma_evt1_fw.tar and its entry in installer.xml but I've assuming its elsewhere as well. |
| 04:51.00 | HiQ | exit |
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| 04:53.59 | Rick_work | jeeez, no patience |
| 05:00.39 | ryan_gahl | soo, speaking of that patience stuff :) |
| 05:01.26 | Rick_work | ryan_gahl what ? |
| 05:01.40 | ryan_gahl | still wondering if any1 is willing to help me finalize my PDK install validation by helping get scummvm running (ran make build) |
| 05:03.40 | ryan_gahl | but no worries - i can sit tight - i'm just lost right now, will keep trying to selfsolve my hangups and pinging for help e'r'now&then |
| 05:04.25 | Rick_work | so, you installed the pdk |
| 05:04.32 | Rick_work | and you're trying to compile something? |
| 05:04.54 | ryan_gahl | yeah, installed the PDK, then ran make build on the scummvm package |
| 05:05.00 | ryan_gahl | as per the wiki |
| 05:05.09 | Rick_work | ryan_gahl the problem may be that almost everyone got killed by the irc ops, because of recent irc spam. |
| 05:05.25 | ryan_gahl | ah, no worries for sure |
| 05:05.44 | Rick_work | ryan_gahl nothing up to that point generated any errors at all? |
| 05:06.05 | ryan_gahl | nope, install was smooth |
| 05:06.10 | Rick_work | and what happens now? |
| 05:06.55 | ryan_gahl | make build on scummvm resulted in an arm7.built file of 0 bytes in that dir, and when i go to /svr/preware/cross-compile/rootfs/media/cryptofs, nothing's in there |
| 05:07.30 | ryan_gahl | but it gets to the end of the makefile, as far as i can tell |
| 05:07.50 | ryan_gahl | lot of warnings but to terminations |
| 05:08.18 | ryan_gahl | figured the warnings are known (compile warnings about upcasting issues) |
| 05:08.21 | Rick_work | odd |
| 05:08.37 | ryan_gahl | what's the expected result after running make build on the scummvm package? |
| 05:08.48 | ryan_gahl | maybe that'd help, just knowing what should happen |
| 05:09.05 | ryan_gahl | i'm not l33t enough to look at this and just know :) |
| 05:09.19 | Rick_work | you should have a binary folder with an executable in it. |
| 05:09.45 | ryan_gahl | and that should be in the scummvm folder i ran make build on? |
| 05:09.57 | ryan_gahl | or cryptofs? |
| 05:10.00 | Rick_work | yep |
| 05:10.08 | Rick_work | no in the scummvm folder |
| 05:10.21 | ryan_gahl | kk, that's a big help :) |
| 05:10.40 | ryan_gahl | not joking at all, btw - now i can at least validate if there is an error i'm missing |
| 05:10.43 | ryan_gahl | thx |
| 05:10.50 | destinal | has anyone gotten to the key mapping in scummvm yet? |
| 05:11.09 | destinal | atlanta had said he was going to work on it a while back |
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| 05:16.45 | rwhitby | ryan_gahl: the exe will not be in root |
| 05:16.47 | rwhitby | fs |
| 05:17.20 | rwhitby | ryan_gahl: look in packages/scummvm/build/src/... somewhere |
| 05:18.14 | Eguy | did postinst's move from /var since 1.3.5? |
| 05:19.01 | rwhitby | Eguy: ipkg offline root is now /media/cryptofs/apps |
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| 05:19.15 | Eguy | that is what I figured |
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| 05:19.38 | Eguy | does that mean postinst and prerm files are not needed? |
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| 05:20.20 | Toaster23 | I tried to work on it |
| 05:20.28 | Toaster23 | but failed I just dont know enough to do it |
| 05:20.43 | Toaster23 | there's more missing then just key mappings btw |
| 05:21.43 | rwhitby | Eguy: the offline root location has no bearing on whether install scripts are needed |
| 05:22.29 | Eguy | I tried to remove a patch and still shows as installed |
| 05:22.55 | Eguy | But not in preware and files are still in the cryptofs folder |
| 05:23.11 | rwhitby | how did you try and remove it? |
| 05:23.21 | Eguy | webos quick install |
| 05:23.26 | rwhitby | what version |
| 05:23.31 | Eguy | latest |
| 05:23.35 | rwhitby | why do people never give versions? |
| 05:23.36 | Eguy | just downloaded it |
| 05:23.41 | rwhitby | give me a version number |
| 05:23.42 | Eguy | haha 2.92 |
| 05:23.55 | rwhitby | 2.92 IS NOT THE LATEST VERSION |
| 05:24.38 | rwhitby | no you know why I don't accept 'latest' as a valid answer to 'what version' ... |
| 05:24.44 | rwhitby | s/no/now/ |
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| 05:24.54 | Eguy | Oh sorry 2.96 |
| 05:25.31 | rwhitby | what about 2.96 |
| 05:25.41 | Eguy | that is what I have |
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| 05:26.26 | rwhitby | let's start again then, with a smart question this time |
| 05:26.43 | Eguy | Also if I try to reinstall the patch with either preware or quick install it says failed blah blah already patched |
| 05:26.54 | rwhitby | http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 05:27.39 | Eguy | ooh I should teach that to infobot |
| 05:28.01 | rwhitby | start with what you did, what you expected to happen, and what did happen, not assuming that I can guess any of the particulars |
| 05:28.30 | Eguy | I tried with fresh .js files from the dr and I got the same result |
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| 05:29.38 | ryan_gahl | rwhitby: sry, was afk there, yeah ok, completely lame of me, as i figured - it's right there in src dir of the package... had assumption 'src' was source, and was looking for a bin |
| 05:29.42 | ryan_gahl | ack!! |
| 05:30.17 | ryan_gahl | thx though... so should i just copy the whole src dir to the device + a game file from the scummvm.org site? |
| 05:31.31 | Toaster23 | yeah once you have it compiled ryan you just have to copy to the device and then run it via terminal like: ./scummvm |
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| 05:32.15 | ryan_gahl | (i'll get 'er now, thx for the help) -- windows dev if you haven't guessed |
| 05:33.14 | Toaster23 | yeah I'm a windows dev too |
| 05:33.20 | Toaster23 | so this linux stuff confuses me sometimes. |
| 05:34.05 | ryan_gahl | i've been dying to get hands on with it - this group is phenominal |
| 05:34.43 | ryan_gahl | just a no-brainer now to migrate skillsets away from MS |
| 05:34.57 | ryan_gahl | Linux, IMHO, is all grown up |
| 05:35.30 | ryan_gahl | well... let me rephrase that :) -- ...I'm all grown up now :) |
| 05:36.15 | ryan_gahl | Ubuntu's the shit |
| 05:36.16 | Toaster23 | well I wouldnt say that but windows makes things alot easier to do |
| 05:38.48 | Toaster23 | sometimes that is |
| 05:42.41 | ryan_gahl | i feel about linux like i did about javascript about 6 years ago |
| 05:43.08 | ryan_gahl | like, it's about damn time i finally dig deep and assimilate this stuff... stop hiding :) |
| 05:43.53 | ryan_gahl | before that, javascript was a utility, good for form validators -- now it's my living |
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| 05:57.42 | sslow | rwhitby: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html thats friggin awesome! lol |
| 06:04.59 | rwhitby | sslow: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html is also good |
| 06:07.33 | sslow | rwhitby: I personally like when Im told that they installed WebOs and their patches dont work! lol |
| 06:12.02 | sslow | rwhitby: somebody needs to post those as STICKYS on precentral.net |
| 06:13.12 | sslow | Im sure you guy get it wose than me |
| 06:13.38 | sslow | 5 pm's a day confusing my patches with somebody elses |
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| 07:12.07 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: ping |
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| 07:14.10 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: gu |
| 07:17.28 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: so back a while ago we talked about a gui for the ssh server and/or ssh server setup |
| 07:17.44 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: i was thinking.... |
| 07:17.57 | PuffTheMagic | it might be cool if a ssh server was embedded into an sdl |
| 07:18.02 | PuffTheMagic | so instead of always running |
| 07:18.14 | PuffTheMagic | a user could launch the server with an icon |
| 07:18.29 | PuffTheMagic | and the "gui" could show connections/status |
| 07:18.43 | PuffTheMagic | as well and start/stop controls |
| 07:18.48 | PuffTheMagic | and some setup options in there |
| 07:19.21 | PuffTheMagic | (i guess this could be done with a ssh service and gui too) |
| 07:20.13 | rwhitby | nod |
| 07:20.33 | jmyadagod | Hows it going guys? |
| 07:20.46 | PuffTheMagic | or maybe patch dropbear/openssl to provide lunaservice integration ;) |
| 07:21.08 | rwhitby | heh, last guy in Debian who patched openssl didn't do to well at it ... |
| 07:21.37 | PuffTheMagic | yeah i remember that |
| 07:22.04 | jmyadagod | rwhitby : did u notice that preware can be downloaded before package manager again? |
| 07:22.26 | rwhitby | jmyadagod: I don't understand what you're saying |
| 07:23.14 | jmyadagod | rwhitby :didnt u take the update option of preware before pagakge manager away? |
| 07:23.33 | jmyadagod | spelling sucks right now half sleep lol...sorry |
| 07:24.28 | jmyadagod | i had 2 of my boys acidently update preware before package manager yesterday |
| 07:25.11 | jmyadagod | i thought that option was taken away in previous updates? |
| 07:25.17 | PuffTheMagic | xcomp: ping |
| 07:26.21 | jmyadagod | Also i just updated package manager right now and lost all my palm catalog apps? |
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| 07:27.03 | jmyadagod | ****lost the option to download palm catalog apps in preware************ |
| 07:27.48 | rwhitby | jmyadagod: did you update feeds? |
| 07:28.09 | rwhitby | I see 1188 apps in the three palm feeds right now |
| 07:28.22 | jmyadagod | yes and i lost them and then i did it again and there back hmmmm disregard it must of been a fluke...... |
| 07:29.02 | rwhitby | jmyadagod: Palm have been fixing the feeds recently, maybe it was a glitch |
| 07:29.19 | jmyadagod | rwhitby : but what about the option of updateing preware before pakage manager ...does it matter the order anymore? |
| 07:29.58 | rwhitby | jmyadagod: Preware will update package manager first, assuming you're running a recent version of preware |
| 07:30.40 | jmyadagod | o ok i see |
| 07:30.55 | rwhitby | that's intesting, my app catalog shows 1123 apps, but preware shows 1124 apps in that feed |
| 07:31.59 | jmyadagod | preware gets apps first lol JK |
| 07:32.59 | Toaster23 | app scoop is pretty neat |
| 07:33.55 | gollyzila | Doesn't Preware do the same thing as App Scoop, since they both look at the same feed? |
| 07:34.10 | Toaster23 | preware takes forever to load up though |
| 07:37.44 | Kyusaku_ | it'd be kind of interesting to add a feature to update feeds individually |
| 07:38.01 | rwhitby | gollyzila: preware shows a superset of all applications, themes, patches, services plugins available for webOS. If it runs on webOS, it's available in Preware. 1426 apps, 1062 themes, 193 patches and 36 other utilities. That's 2717 packages for webOS. |
| 07:38.45 | jmyadagod | rwhitby : how does android count "patches" as apps right? |
| 07:38.57 | gollyzila | Like it says itself, Preware IS the univeresal installer |
| 07:39.23 | rwhitby | jmyadagod: webos is the only mobile OS for which you can patch the operating system over the air while sitting at a cafe with no other compuer. |
| 07:39.26 | rwhitby | computer. |
| 07:39.39 | jmyadagod | hmmm that nice...... |
| 07:39.41 | rwhitby | Kyusaku_: yeah, I've been thinking about how to do that. The trouble is that the underlying ipkg command that we call doesn't support it, so we'll need to trick it somehow. |
| 07:40.11 | rwhitby | Toaster23: it would be interesting to compare AppScoop loading time vs Preware with the same set of feeds enabled. |
| 07:40.17 | jtrucks | cd /#webos |
| 07:40.19 | jtrucks | oops |
| 07:41.23 | jmyadagod | would anyone like to be able to get 16% off fandango tickets? |
| 07:41.36 | Kyusaku_ | rwhitby: I see, good to know. |
| 07:41.48 | jmyadagod | i have a link if anyone intrested......sorry for spam just trying to share |
| 07:42.22 | Kyusaku_ | the problem though is AppScoop doesn't do everything Preware does |
| 07:42.40 | Kyusaku_ | what does App Scoop pull exactly? |
| 07:46.41 | Toaster23 | rwhitby: the main problem with Preware is that I get 404's and just general slowness from one feed I'm not sure which. |
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| 07:47.08 | Toaster23 | Guess its not a problem with preware rather the server the feed is on |
| 07:47.10 | Kyusaku_ | maybe one of the theme feeds |
| 07:47.16 | rwhitby | Toaster23: I'm just testing a Package Manager Service addition which reports which feed is having problems. |
| 07:47.25 | jmyadagod | hmm i had a couple 404's yesterday morning but i think i didnt have good reception |
| 07:48.19 | Toaster23 | rwhitby that would be nice. |
| 07:48.40 | Toaster23 | Also if a certain feed doesnt load it should just skip that one and let you know but still show you the rest of the feeds |
| 07:49.37 | rwhitby | Toaster23: it should still load any feeds it has been able to get |
| 07:50.24 | Kyusaku | whoa someone released a QR code reader!? |
| 07:50.33 | Toaster23 | hmm it doesnt for me atleast last time it had a 404 I had to click on update feeds and wait again so I could get in. |
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| 07:51.25 | freakout | rwhitby: just saw your tweet RE: Palm fixing the XML feeds |
| 07:51.35 | freakout | I still only see 978 Palm Catalog apps |
| 07:51.45 | rwhitby | freakout: see where? |
| 07:51.46 | Kyusaku | OMG I gotta test this QR code reader |
| 07:52.02 | freakout | rwhitby: Preware |
| 07:52.17 | freakout | Applications ---> Feeds |
| 07:52.25 | freakout | oh wait |
| 07:52.29 | freakout | facepalms |
| 07:52.33 | freakout | updates feeds |
| 07:53.23 | Kyusaku | oh wtf my Pre luna reset trying to download/install the app |
| 07:54.16 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: looks like app scoop pulls the web.updates feed only |
| 07:54.24 | Toaster23 | yeah |
| 07:54.33 | freakout | there we go. 1105 Palm Catalog apps now |
| 07:54.42 | freakout | still not the same number as you though rwhitby |
| 07:55.10 | freakout | new ipkservice required maybe - will update that now... |
| 07:55.18 | Kyusaku | I see 1095 for Palm catalog |
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| 07:56.21 | jmyadagod | freakout Kyusaku : how many do u have installed..... |
| 07:56.48 | freakout | jmyadagod: lol. now that's worth thinking about... |
| 07:56.52 | Toaster23 | I have 1403 apps |
| 07:57.02 | freakout | i'll turn on "installed is available"... |
| 07:57.29 | gollyzila | woah, so is the QR code reader somewhat like google goggles? |
| 07:57.38 | Toaster23 | how do you see how many palm apps? |
| 07:57.48 | psykoz | Feeds |
| 07:57.57 | psykoz | Then Palm App Catalog |
| 07:57.59 | Toaster23 | oh right |
| 07:58.41 | rwhitby | freakout: yeah, installed is available has to be on |
| 07:58.51 | jmyadagod | 1125 for me ..... |
| 07:58.57 | jmyadagod | rwhitby : how many u got? |
| 07:59.02 | rwhitby | 1124 |
| 07:59.30 | jmyadagod | how do i have more than u.....? |
| 07:59.38 | rwhitby | I'm not sure how apps which have the same package id in the app catalog and homebrew would be handled. |
| 08:00.15 | rwhitby | let me see what the file on the server says |
| 08:00.24 | Toaster23 | I have 1124 |
| 08:00.26 | freakout | there we go - 1125 Palm Catalog apps, 26 Web and 10 Beta. 1426 apps total |
| 08:01.17 | rwhitby | ah, mine says 1125 too - they must have added one while we were talking. |
| 08:01.40 | rwhitby | freakout: and 1063 themes |
| 08:02.06 | rwhitby | 193 patches, 36 other packages (optware, plugins, services, etc) |
| 08:02.25 | rwhitby | 2718 packages total |
| 08:02.38 | freakout | yep. 1063 theme here too |
| 08:02.41 | rwhitby | the file on the server says 1125 too, so it matches |
| 08:02.42 | freakout | has yet to stick with a theme |
| 08:02.43 | jmyadagod | rwithby you know whats funny i cant download tweefree in appcatalog but i can download it it preware...... |
| 08:02.50 | freakout | I actually like the original quite a bit. |
| 08:02.56 | Toaster23 | yeah I have 1124 apps, prethemer has 938 |
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| 08:03.18 | jmyadagod | I switch themes to match which sneakers and hat i wear that Day |
| 08:03.34 | rwhitby | Toaster23: do you have 'Installed is Available' set to Yes? |
| 08:03.41 | Toaster23 | yeah |
| 08:04.34 | jmyadagod | Have you guys seen Sexy Heels app ? I think this is closet to a fethish/porn app we got LMAO thats a little weird |
| 08:04.52 | Kyusaku | hmmmm QR code reader is not bad, it kinda works. |
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| 08:07.35 | Kyusaku | funny too, I was just talking to some guy at Engadget show taping who was thinking about the Pre but wanted some QR code reader functionality |
| 08:07.54 | gollyzila | I have a feeling this might sound dumb but here i go....... Can i backup the patches i have installed by copying them from /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications and then copy them back in after I doctor my phone? |
| 08:08.10 | Kyusaku | no |
| 08:08.43 | Kyusaku | because the changes they make affect files outside of that dir |
| 08:08.43 | gollyzila | kyusaku: was that an answer for me? |
| 08:08.51 | Kyusaku | yes |
| 08:09.11 | gollyzila | oooohhhh that's what I thought. So no backup solution as of now? |
| 08:09.15 | Kyusaku | patches affect core OS files, which aren't in the apps directory |
| 08:09.51 | Kyusaku | it'd be nice to do some kind patch checklist install |
| 08:10.05 | Kyusaku | as of right now not much you can do |
| 08:11.54 | gollyzila | I wish Preware could save a list of your patches and when you need to redownload them it will check if they are compatible with your firmware. Then it'll install all the compatible ones and tell you the ones it didn't install. |
| 08:13.58 | Kyusaku | hmmmm is there a way to send someone who is not a webOS user a link to an app? Was hoping ProjectAppetite had something but not seeing it. |
| 08:14.04 | rwhitby | gollyzila: have you read the Preware Features Roadmap thread? |
| 08:14.52 | gollyzila | Yes I do remember reading it a while back. Was I just restating what is intended for future versions of Preware? |
| 08:15.09 | rwhitby | yep, AUPT |
| 08:15.21 | rwhitby | in alpha testing now |
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| 08:16.04 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: there are no links to ipkgs from palm. Just links that cause the app catalog app to download an app. |
| 08:16.16 | Kyusaku | oh I don't want ipkg links |
| 08:16.37 | Kyusaku | I want like a link to the listing for people on non-webos platforms |
| 08:16.39 | Alyazir | hi |
| 08:16.49 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: we're thinking of doing something like that on preware.org |
| 08:17.02 | rwhitby | basically to make preware.org look exactly like Preware on the device |
| 08:17.12 | Kyusaku | instead of telling them like "go to projectapetite and search for 'this'" |
| 08:17.12 | rwhitby | reading the live feeds |
| 08:17.48 | gollyzila | rwhitby: are those alpha testing versions of Preware on the webos-internals feeds? |
| 08:17.57 | rwhitby | i need to find an awesome web programmer who will work long hours for free though ... |
| 08:18.40 | rwhitby | gollyzila: it's not an alpha testing version of preware (the latest pubic versions have all the required features), it's an alpha testing version of the webos-patches feed |
| 08:19.06 | rwhitby | (and it's not in sync with the real version, so you don't want to use it unless you're serious about the alpha testing bit) |
| 08:19.43 | gollyzila | rwhitby: ooooh. Is that feed open to the public for volunteer testing? |
| 08:20.09 | rwhitby | all webos-internals stuff is open to the public - you just need to know where to find it |
| 08:20.49 | rwhitby | but if you want to alpha-test aupt, you must be prepared to webos-doctor your phone at a moment's notice |
| 08:21.17 | gollyzila | rwhitby:how can I make Preware look at that alpha webos-patches feed? |
| 08:21.20 | rwhitby | since you can only alpha test it by doctoring back to a previous version of webOS, installing patches, and then doing an OTA update |
| 08:21.41 | rwhitby | gollyzila: doctor your phone back to a webOS 1.3.1, and then I'll tell you. |
| 08:23.11 | Kyusaku | speaking of the Doctor, I gotta visit it soon. Some reason in between Preware updates, Preware no longer finds the info for the older Jason R's Top Bar Megamix patch. |
| 08:23.29 | Kyusaku | and WOSQI doesn't see it either |
| 08:24.32 | gollyzila | So I would doctor to 1.3.1 and OTA to 1.3.5? |
| 08:24.37 | rwhitby | that reminds me, I need to try the new really silent ringer switch patch |
| 08:24.40 | rwhitby | gollyzila: yep |
| 08:24.48 | rwhitby | gollyzila: only way to alpha test it |
| 08:25.10 | jmyadagod | rwhitby :what is he testing? |
| 08:25.20 | rwhitby | jmyadagod: AUPT |
| 08:25.37 | jmyadagod | oh ok.... |
| 08:26.42 | gollyzila | cool then I'll do that. My Pre is in dire need of doctoring as a matter of fact. but I think it's late for me and I'll wait till tomorrow morning. Will you be here tomorrow morning to guide me through the steps? |
| 08:27.09 | Kyusaku | I gotta find some flyers to test this QR code reader |
| 08:27.11 | jmyadagod | i wish pixi could do everything pre could do i would usr my upgrade to get a pixi ... |
| 08:29.29 | rwhitby | gollyzila: look for egaudet to guide you |
| 08:30.36 | gollyzila | I hope he's here in the morning since tomorrow is Sunday. |
| 08:30.59 | rwhitby | tomorrow is monday for me, work day. |
| 08:32.10 | jmyadagod | yea sunday 332 am here |
| 08:32.45 | Toaster23 | http://www.nextel.com/en/support/faq/spending_limits.shtml << Does this apply to apps we buy? What about Mp3 music? |
| 08:32.48 | jmyadagod | rwhitby : hows that bt tethering working for u? |
| 08:33.07 | Kyusaku | ugh dumb Pre camera |
| 08:33.09 | rwhitby | jmyadagod: never use it |
| 08:33.33 | Kyusaku | I hope next gen has an auto-focus or something |
| 08:33.36 | jmyadagod | Toaster23 : are u refering to charging apps to account? |
| 08:33.50 | Toaster23 | hmm no credit card |
| 08:34.20 | jmyadagod | i dont understand question then? |
| 08:34.27 | gollyzila | oh duh, i forgot not everyone lives on the Pacific Coast. Okay, so hopefully egaudet is here Sunday morning, if not, by what others mean can i contact him? does he have an email? |
| 08:36.20 | Toaster23 | So the spending limit only applys to things you charge to your sprint account? |
| 08:36.37 | Toaster23 | If so that makes a whole lot more sense. |
| 08:36.51 | jmyadagod | yes |
| 08:36.55 | Toaster23 | Okay |
| 08:37.32 | jmyadagod | pretty sure apps go thru palm not sprint |
| 08:38.00 | Toaster23 | Yeah I have no clue what stuff would go through sprint |
| 08:38.47 | Kyusaku | ugh as crappy as this sounds camera app needs some kind of digital zoom feature to really get the most out of this QR code app |
| 08:39.31 | psykoz | you can zoom in and then screen cap, then load it in QR I bet |
| 08:39.41 | jmyadagod | whats a qr reader? |
| 08:39.59 | jmyadagod | barcodes? |
| 08:40.15 | Kyusaku | not exactly "bar" codes |
| 08:40.24 | jmyadagod | wheres the app beta? |
| 08:40.45 | Kyusaku | it's a matrix code |
| 08:40.59 | jmyadagod | wheres the app? |
| 08:41.03 | Kyusaku | very widely used in markets like Japan |
| 08:41.38 | jmyadagod | hmm.. and u download app from ? |
| 08:42.44 | Kyusaku | psykoz: the problem is the shot is so zoomed out you don't know how clear the code came out and may have to do multiple shots |
| 08:43.27 | Kyusaku | this is why I'd like some kind of digital zoom where I know a certain part of what I want to shoot comes out clear enough |
| 08:44.04 | jmyadagod | Kyusaku : where did u recieve app from or is it yours? |
| 08:44.07 | Kyusaku | the app photos shows it can find QR code from a far away shot, but I dunno |
| 08:44.14 | Kyusaku | it's on the web feed |
| 08:44.23 | Kyusaku | for Palm |
| 08:44.49 | jmyadagod | oh im stupid i deisable all feeds except the damn app catalog to see how many apps i had lol |
| 08:45.25 | Kyusaku | I would love it if it can just constantly stream camera pipe data and scan until it finds something |
| 08:45.39 | jmyadagod | did u see the thing on precentral about using old dvd eve to better picture? |
| 08:45.44 | jmyadagod | eye* |
| 08:45.58 | Kyusaku | the diy macro lens, yes |
| 08:46.31 | Kyusaku | if this QR code app is really not happening I might have to look into it. |
| 08:46.42 | Kyusaku | it does work technically |
| 08:47.12 | Kyusaku | but so far it's only worked for me on REALLY big shots of a QR code |
| 08:47.22 | jmyadagod | damn it pre just died wheres charger ahhh bedtime |
| 08:47.27 | Kyusaku | I might just need to figure out the sweet spot |
| 08:47.48 | jmyadagod | im out pzzz |
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| 08:55.37 | Alyazir | does someone have an idea, when an update for greg roll's messaging app for 1.3.5 will be released? |
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| 08:57.23 | Kyusaku | oh you know I just read the description on the app, it doesn't locally decode the image. LAME. |
| 08:57.28 | dtzWill | rwhitby: hey when you have a second; i packaged up the next release of vba with type:game :D i guess we all knew it would work but woo :). |
| 08:59.23 | rwhitby | dtzWill|away: bbiab, will take a look |
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| 09:06.01 | acydlord | Kyusaku, as far as i am aware it requires imgmagic to decode the image |
| 09:07.11 | acydlord | could be done on device but you'd probably have to install nginx or something |
| 09:07.26 | acydlord | anywho off to bed for me, gotta go pick up my touchstone stuff in the morn |
| 09:07.36 | Kyusaku | I'm looking at some QR decoding libraries in C/C++ |
| 09:10.14 | rwhitby | acydlord: imagemagik is in optware ... |
| 09:11.21 | acydlord | ahh, i havent looked at the full optware feed in awhile |
| 09:11.26 | acydlord | i'll check it out tomorrow |
| 09:11.32 | acydlord | night |
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| 09:14.50 | dtzWill|away | hey is someone there? can someone test vba off of preware for me? |
| 09:14.51 | dtzWill|away | :/ |
| 09:15.02 | dtzWill|away | i just updated it, installs and works great locally :( |
| 09:15.07 | dtzWill|away | but someone just reported it broke things for them |
| 09:15.23 | dtzWill|away | wondering if someone had a second they could try it ('visualboyadvance') |
| 09:19.18 | Kyusaku | testing feed? |
| 09:19.42 | dtzWill|away | Kyusaku: main preware |
| 09:19.55 | Kyusaku | lemme load up |
| 09:20.23 | dtzWill|away | Kyusaku: ty. just confirms if it *runs* at all--first app in preare using type:game afaik and maybe there's something special about it that I did wrong :) |
| 09:21.17 | Kyusaku | do I need to load a rom or just run period |
| 09:21.24 | dtzWill|away | just run period |
| 09:21.41 | dtzWill|away | once that happens the binary is there--that all should work, it's just launching |
| 09:21.44 | dtzWill|away | no longer using upstart, etc |
| 09:21.46 | Kyusaku | loaded fine and quick |
| 09:22.07 | Kyusaku | I see message about adding roms to media/internal |
| 09:22.32 | dtzWill|away | Kyusaku: great. tyvm |
| 09:23.09 | Kyusaku | hmmm |
| 09:23.21 | Kyusaku | I tossed it |
| 09:23.27 | Kyusaku | and locked up my device |
| 09:23.41 | Kyusaku | gonna restart and try again |
| 09:23.53 | Kyusaku | well already restarting by itself |
| 09:24.04 | dtzWill|away | o_O |
| 09:24.22 | dtzWill | bummer. these things don't happen to me, frustrating :) |
| 09:24.38 | Kyusaku | hmmm works fine now |
| 09:24.45 | Kyusaku | odd |
| 09:25.05 | dtzWill | that is odd. someone reported they had to reboot for things to work.. i can't imagine why that would be the case though |
| 09:25.34 | Kyusaku | no clue either but seems like it's the case in my experience |
| 09:25.44 | Kyusaku | gonna try removing |
| 09:25.48 | Kyusaku | and then install again |
| 09:26.17 | Kyusaku | can I just delete from launcher or need to remove via preware |
| 09:26.49 | dtzWill | well launcher should work afaik |
| 09:27.22 | Kyusaku | ok lemme try this again |
| 09:28.07 | dtzWill | kk i'll try too--although i did this a number of times in testing. grr haha |
| 09:28.14 | dtzWill | never can test enough :) |
| 09:28.21 | Kyusaku | very true |
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| 09:29.21 | Towzzer | has anyone seen destinal |
| 09:29.40 | dtzWill | ~seen destinal |
| 09:29.42 | infobot | destinal <n=eduprey@97-112-145-155.clsp.qwest.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 4h 18m 33s ago, saying: 'atlanta had said he was going to work on it a while back'. |
| 09:29.49 | dtzWill | (fwiw) |
| 09:30.06 | Kyusaku | didn't lock up on me |
| 09:31.06 | dtzWill | Kyusaku: good. thanks, appreciate at least that for a sanity check |
| 09:31.27 | Kyusaku | gonna try a could more scenarios |
| 09:35.08 | dtzWill | someone else reported they had to restart luna. interesting. |
| 09:39.01 | Towzzer | what are the control |
| 09:39.02 | Towzzer | s |
| 09:39.04 | Towzzer | for vba |
| 09:39.15 | Kyusaku | but, why after initial install is luna restart not needed |
| 09:39.38 | Kyusaku | very kooky |
| 09:41.21 | Kyusaku | really weird, I can't recreate that intial lockup at all |
| 09:42.11 | Kyusaku | I've tried deleting both ways amd reinstalling either after a reboot or without reboot |
| 09:42.38 | Kyusaku | and can't recreate the lockup |
| 09:43.25 | Kyusaku | that is mega strange |
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| 09:57.01 | edektor | ~seen edektor |
| 09:57.02 | infobot | edektor is currently on #webos-internals (1h 2s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen edektor'. |
| 09:57.18 | edektor | neat! |
| 10:01.14 | dtzWill | Kyusaku: idk :/. controls/info: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:VBA#Controls |
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| 10:31.50 | Towzzer | you know that download limit |
| 10:31.52 | Towzzer | for the pre |
| 10:32.01 | Towzzer | does that apply for everything or just the download manager |
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| 10:59.01 | hape_ | dtzWill: I updaet to the new vba without uninstalling the old one. Now when I get the statup visual effect when I select the Icon but nothing happens. |
| 10:59.21 | hape_ | Should I test somthing for you before I reinstall? |
| 10:59.33 | hape_ | German GSM V1.3.5.2 |
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| 11:50.31 | hape_ | dtzWill: It works after a Luna restart. Looks like Luna dident get it that the app type was changed to 'game' |
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| 12:14.43 | Suruat | good morning |
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| 12:38.03 | rwhitby | testing feed versions of ipkgservice and preware not give better error and status reporting for Update Feeds |
| 12:38.09 | rwhitby | s/not/now/ |
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| 13:34.03 | KEYofR | thankee |
| 13:34.17 | Towzzer | hey hey hey |
| 13:34.19 | Towzzer | destinal! |
| 13:35.32 | zefyx | finally had it. |
| 13:35.37 | zefyx | trading my pixi in for a pre |
| 13:35.46 | zefyx | damn vzw and their pre plus :\ |
| 13:35.56 | Towzzer | why did you get a pixi first |
| 13:38.01 | KEYofR | wanted a phone without a clit or comes in gimmicky space-wasting two slidy pieces? just a guess off the top |
| 13:38.26 | Towzzer | I can never find the clit |
| 13:38.30 | Towzzer | on my phone or women |
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| 15:15.18 | Decimate | idk if you guys noticed |
| 15:15.30 | Decimate | but in the demo videos of the pre plus and stuff with 1.4 on it |
| 15:15.35 | Decimate | the apps opened differently |
| 15:16.08 | GuinnessX | in what way? |
| 15:16.38 | Decimate | first they went into card view |
| 15:16.47 | Decimate | then they went full |
| 15:17.12 | Decimate | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wqPHEA2KGE |
| 15:17.25 | Decimate | see the first few seconds |
| 15:18.09 | tmzt | redirected gl and compositing? interesting |
| 15:18.52 | Decimate | then in the second half they show the other phone for 3d gaming |
| 15:19.01 | Decimate | which although its still a pre plus |
| 15:19.13 | Decimate | it seems to be running 1.3.5 due to how the apps open |
| 15:20.13 | tmzt | other phone? |
| 15:20.33 | Decimate | in the second half of the video they switch phones |
| 15:20.44 | Decimate | they have one to demo gaming and one to demo video |
| 15:20.53 | tmzt | I see |
| 15:21.15 | tmzt | different kernel maybe? |
| 15:21.24 | tmzt | or different dspbridge setup |
| 15:21.31 | tmzt | did pre have SprintTV? |
| 15:21.41 | Decimate | yeah |
| 15:21.56 | tmzt | did it work? |
| 15:22.23 | Decimate | yeahh |
| 15:22.24 | Decimate | http://www.youtube.com/user/Palm#p/u/2/0qiLF6_odrc |
| 15:22.31 | Decimate | im watching all the new palm videos |
| 15:22.37 | Decimate | probably gonna be verizon commercials :P |
| 15:22.46 | tmzt | the first Pre release I mean |
| 15:23.15 | Decimate | yeah, sprinttv works on my pre.. |
| 15:23.25 | tmzt | cool |
| 15:23.34 | tmzt | know if it's ip based or qtv? |
| 15:23.47 | Decimate | no idea :( |
| 15:23.47 | tmzt | or mediaflo |
| 15:24.04 | tmzt | tcpdump? |
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| 15:41.05 | hape_ | ~seen dtzWill |
| 15:41.08 | infobot | dtzwill is currently on #webos-internals. Has said a total of 118 messages. Is idling for 5h 39m 54s, last said: 'Kyusaku: idk :/. controls/info: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:VBA#Controls'. |
| 15:42.15 | PuffTheMagic | xcomp: ping |
| 15:42.28 | psykoz | so you know what is bad about removing the button on the Pre (and I also said this about the pixi the first time I saw it) |
| 15:42.39 | psykoz | the button is like so easy your grandma can use it simple |
| 15:43.30 | psykoz | and it was the one thing I said was a nice thing Palm did to sorta mock the ease of use-a-bility of the iPhone, because it truly is so easy my grandma can use |
| 15:44.10 | psykoz | Now you have a little bit of learning curve for newcomers to smart phones that they're going to have to either learn gestures or be told repeatedly that "touching this area is a button" |
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| 16:05.32 | tmzt | what button? |
| 16:06.13 | psykoz | The front button |
| 16:07.13 | psykoz | the button shows you something exists there and it makes it even intuitive enough that my 2 year old has learned how to use the action button to get back to launcher and load his favorite app |
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| 16:17.18 | jerms | using webosqi 2.9.6 on my pre (1.3.5.1) -- trying to install certain tweaks/patches errors out saying the patch is already installed...but its not, i restored the .orig files on the pre filesystem, and diff'd them against the webOS.tar from webosdoctor -- so is it that the patches themselves have not been updated for webos1.3.5.1 ? |
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| 16:25.01 | jerms | ok i have a working patch...wonder where i can send it |
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| 16:34.29 | destinal | rwhitby: nslu2-log still broken |
| 16:34.49 | destinal | or not, that was a browser cache this time |
| 16:37.37 | destinal | not sure why webos doesn't seem to notice when its cache isn't current and fetch a new page |
| 16:38.33 | destinal | Decimate: it's been said that the pre plus will ship with 1.3.5 |
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| 16:44.29 | Sonic-NKT | im trying to compile some things for the pre but i always end up with an error that zlib is missing, i am running ubuntu 9.10 and zlib is definatly installed |
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| 16:45.06 | Allistairr | heyo! |
| 16:45.29 | Allistairr | anyone know the status of rdesktop? |
| 16:46.42 | bpadalino | Sonic-NKT: your host machine's zlib, or the pre's version of zlib is installed ? |
| 16:47.12 | Sonic-NKT | bpadalino: installed the devel packages |
| 16:48.06 | bpadalino | that sounds like the host which probably isn't the right thing for cross compiling? |
| 16:48.35 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: you need a libz in your scratchbox2 staging area |
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| 16:48.57 | destinal | includes and ARM lib |
| 16:49.04 | Sonic-NKT | seems to be but how to fix this, if i run configure outside of scratchbox everything is working fine. if i run it in scratchbox it gives me an error |
| 16:49.23 | Sonic-NKT | how to get it there, sorry crosscompiling is completly new to me :) |
| 16:49.37 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: when you run in scratchbox it ignores /usr/lib and /usr/local/lib and /usr/include and /usr/local/include from the host |
| 16:50.25 | destinal | easiest thing is to build and install the palm pre's library after getting it and its patch and applying its patch, all from opensource.palm.com |
| 16:50.42 | destinal | if you make and make install from inside sb2 it'll go in the right place |
| 16:51.53 | Sonic-NKT | so i get the zlib package from palm, compile and install it from sb2 |
| 16:51.57 | destinal | yup |
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| 16:52.15 | Sonic-NKT | ah ok thanks, will try that :) |
| 16:53.48 | Sonic-NKT | do i also need the patches? |
| 16:56.29 | jerms | anyone have experience using the webos-internals git repo |
| 17:01.30 | Sonic-NKT | destinal: just downloaded zlib, ran configure make and make install (with no errors) but it still reports zlib is missing |
| 17:02.26 | Sonic-NKT | destinal: it seems like scratchbox has installed those in /usr/local/lib anyway, atleast that it was make install prints out |
| 17:02.42 | destinal | a fake /usr/local/lib |
| 17:02.54 | destinal | sb2 has some directory mapping tricks |
| 17:03.12 | destinal | assuming you ran it with the proper -M mappingfile |
| 17:03.33 | Sonic-NKT | followed the tutorial on webos-internals |
| 17:04.08 | tmzt | using pkg-config? |
| 17:04.11 | Sonic-NKT | running it with sb2 - M /srv/..../mapping-armv7 |
| 17:04.11 | tmzt | or configure |
| 17:04.19 | jerms | whois dBsooner |
| 17:04.22 | destinal | it maps /usr/local to /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr |
| 17:04.32 | destinal | so your libs get to go into /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr/lib |
| 17:05.26 | Sonic-NKT | libz is in that folder ... |
| 17:05.35 | destinal | what about the includes |
| 17:05.56 | Sonic-NKT | includes? sorry noob ;) |
| 17:05.59 | destinal | /usr/local/include in the sb2 or /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr/include |
| 17:06.15 | Sonic-NKT | will check that |
| 17:06.20 | destinal | you should have a zlib.h |
| 17:06.54 | Sonic-NKT | where? |
| 17:07.00 | destinal | I just said |
| 17:07.29 | Sonic-NKT | sry, yes it is at that location |
| 17:07.37 | destinal | what are you trying to build? |
| 17:07.46 | Sonic-NKT | gngeo-0.7 |
| 17:13.23 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: try this |
| 17:13.35 | destinal | export LIBS="-Wl,-rpath-link=/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib" |
| 17:14.05 | destinal | export CFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include" |
| 17:14.06 | CoolMatty | what's the best way to get my ssh key on the pre? |
| 17:14.10 | Sonic-NKT | in sb 2? |
| 17:14.21 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: then run ./configure |
| 17:14.30 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: yes |
| 17:15.31 | destinal | export CFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/SDL" |
| 17:15.33 | destinal | rather |
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| 17:16.24 | destinal | their configure doesn't seem to want to look in /usr/local, no idea why |
| 17:16.38 | Sonic-NKT | thanks will try it |
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| 17:18.06 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: err the makefiles they generate are still screwed up |
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| 17:20.20 | Sonic-NKT | right now it tells me gcc is missing... after those export commands :) |
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| 17:21.20 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: that doesn't make a lot of sense. |
| 17:22.26 | Sonic-NKT | yes was my mistake, made in error in the one command |
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| 17:23.07 | Sonic-NKT | ok configure was fine now |
| 17:23.17 | Sonic-NKT | but make wont work? |
| 17:23.32 | destinal | make will fail, it's using -I/usr/include/SDL not -I/usr/local/include/SDL -- not a very smart configure script |
| 17:23.46 | destinal | and there's no --with-sdl-prefix option in configure |
| 17:23.49 | CoolMatty | is work on Terminal stopped now with type:game now possible? |
| 17:24.08 | destinal | CoolMatty: no, I'm banging my head against a segfault bug right now |
| 17:24.16 | destinal | but I haven't given up terminal |
| 17:24.26 | CoolMatty | yeah, mine crashes on startup |
| 17:24.36 | CoolMatty | and crashes luna it looks like, or at least luna restarts |
| 17:26.02 | Sonic-NKT | destinal: is there a way to "easily" fix this? |
| 17:28.40 | destinal | CoolMatty: so, yeah, this is a segmentation fault happening in a deallocation function, I'm trying to debug it but everything seems to be functioning the same way it did before 1.3.5 |
| 17:28.45 | Toaster23 | I think the internalz app should be able to open up compiled programs. It would be alot easier to do then terminal :P |
| 17:28.48 | destinal | which was stable with the same versions of terminal |
| 17:28.54 | CoolMatty | right |
| 17:29.10 | CoolMatty | can't wait to see a fix, glad to see it hasn't been dropped ;) |
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| 17:30.03 | Toaster23 | Also it would be neat if terminal saved the last directory you were in or atleast have an option to do so. |
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| 17:30.34 | MetaView | hi |
| 17:31.18 | MetaView | speaking about terminal: is it still the issue it looses its current dir when openeing the key help menu? |
| 17:32.06 | MetaView | I need sime help to create a patch file |
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| 17:32.24 | destinal | MetaView: yeah I believe that issue is still there |
| 17:32.49 | MetaView | I made the changes to have a radiomode (2G/3G/Auto) in the device menu |
| 17:33.11 | MetaView | how can I create a patch? I've tried WinMerge, but WebOsQuickInstal still complains |
| 17:33.21 | MetaView | destinal: it's a pity |
| 17:33.30 | CoolMatty | isn't there a patch for that already? |
| 17:33.46 | MetaView | no, nothing working in 1.3.5 |
| 17:33.52 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: you can fix all the makefiles |
| 17:33.59 | MetaView | there is something just for German Pres |
| 17:34.06 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: or inside sb2 you can: ln -s /usr/local/include/SDL /usr/include/SDL |
| 17:34.11 | CoolMatty | oh thats right, my phone menu just has roaming or data off, no 3g/1xRTT option |
| 17:34.15 | MetaView | but real files, I made it even nicer: with a submenu |
| 17:34.37 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: but then it's missing opengl headers and opengl will need ported to opengl-es which is very non-trivial |
| 17:34.57 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: I think this one may be beyond both of us |
| 17:35.06 | MetaView | CoolMatty: are you experinced in creating Patches? |
| 17:35.36 | Sonic-NKT | destinal: oh ok... but is opengl needed? |
| 17:36.02 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: not sure if it can build without, if so it may work |
| 17:36.27 | Sonic-NKT | i will give it a try :) |
| 17:36.49 | Sonic-NKT | haha crashed after 5 secs with GL errors :D |
| 17:37.03 | destinal | well you'll need to reconfigure or change defines |
| 17:37.12 | destinal | as I said, it's missing things |
| 17:39.00 | CoolMatty | MetaView: no I'm not. If I was there would probably be double the patches that exist today >.> |
| 17:39.26 | MetaView | ok, who can create the patch file for me? |
| 17:39.49 | dtzWill | hape_: sup? :) |
| 17:40.30 | gollyzila | is egaudet or rwhitby here? I'd like to participate in alpha testing AUPT |
| 17:40.55 | CoolMatty | hey dtzWill: little "bug" with rom selection: it shows "hidden" files. that is, ones with . in front of the name. |
| 17:41.02 | CoolMatty | becomes an issue if you upload roms from a Mac :p |
| 17:41.13 | Sonic-NKT | sad that gngeo is so hard to compile, it is great for arm as it has allready several optimizations build in :( |
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| 17:45.28 | dtzWill|away | CoolMatty: oh yeah it'll do that :). i suppose i should fix that |
| 17:45.33 | dtzWill|away | adds to wiki. |
| 17:52.43 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: I'm looking at the gp2x switches |
| 17:52.55 | destinal | Sonic-NKT: as you say, looks arm optimized |
| 17:54.48 | PuffTheMagic | gp2x could be sweet |
| 17:55.32 | PuffTheMagic | MAME GP2X and GnGeo2x |
| 17:55.33 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
| 17:55.36 | Sonic-NKT | yeah and it seems like it has several cpu cores included that are heavily ARM asm optimized. would be very cool if we could get this to compile :) |
| 17:55.36 | PuffTheMagic | im excited |
| 17:56.23 | PuffTheMagic | too bad the phone dont have better game controls |
| 17:56.34 | PuffTheMagic | when are they gonna make a ps3 controller phone combo |
| 17:56.46 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: yup, need to look at bluetooth some more so we can use a zeemote |
| 17:56.55 | PuffTheMagic | the joys could be the mouthpiece and earpiece |
| 17:57.08 | Sonic-NKT | :) |
| 17:57.32 | MetaView | how to hide a directory in the internal drive in a way it is skipped by the FileBrowser Widget? |
| 17:57.50 | destinal | that is if we can buy a zeemote, are they going out of business? |
| 17:58.07 | MetaView | I have code from Palm OS for Wiimote support in LJP, just in case you are interested |
| 17:58.48 | MetaView | and there is a BT gamepad which works just over a VfComm connection |
| 17:59.07 | PuffTheMagic | file browser widget? |
| 17:59.25 | MetaView | yes, the one you have to select a file, image etc |
| 17:59.28 | destinal | MetaView: well, before we can do anything, we need a working stack. I got btstack working but it didn't seem to be doing much, I wonder if it speaks the right language to talk to /dev/btuart |
| 17:59.38 | destinal | knows very little about bt chipsets |
| 17:59.39 | MetaView | it shows all map tiles from MapTool, it's annoying |
| 18:00.10 | dtzWill|away | Sonic-NKT: NICE, gl with gngeo :) |
| 18:00.17 | PuffTheMagic | MetaView: try a directory starting in . (period) |
| 18:00.41 | MetaView | I just renamed it and restarted LunaSysMgr, didn't help |
| 18:00.43 | destinal | dtzWill|away: well it's not working yet, but it would be nice |
| 18:01.51 | PuffTheMagic | dtzWill|away: GLES with evas/ecore first!!!! |
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| 18:04.32 | tmzt | destinal: essentially the speak hci commands |
| 18:04.55 | MetaView | PuffTheMagic: hte folder is called .MapTool and I even renamed one of the .png into .pn_ the FileBrowser still shows it. |
| 18:05.32 | timboy | have a pre here that I replaced with another one and now I can't get any information from it (from homebrew apps) because I'm stuck at activation screen... |
| 18:05.55 | timboy | am I screwed? or can I bypass activation to get to what I need? |
| 18:06.57 | PuffTheMagic | idk then |
| 18:07.08 | MetaView | a pity, thx |
| 18:07.08 | sryan | is there an equivalent of a webos doctor for iphone or android? or can you actually brick those devices with software? |
| 18:07.10 | PuffTheMagic | why not put the dir you dont want shown in a different dir |
| 18:07.38 | MetaView | To allow the user to download the files on the desktop and transfer them to the Pre |
| 18:08.13 | timboy | will the meta-doctor activation process remove all of my data? |
| 18:08.25 | MetaView | I could download the files on the Pre, but it' |
| 18:08.34 | MetaView | s quite a lot and takes quite a time |
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| 18:10.40 | destinal | tmzt: are different chipsets interchangable in terms of just opening a uart and talking HCI or are there quirks? |
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| 18:11.00 | destinal | I mean is it unreasonable to expect an iphone chipset and the pre chipset's uarts to behave the same? |
| 18:11.16 | sryan-2 | is there an equivalent of a webos doctor for iphone or android? or can you actually brick those devices with software? |
| 18:11.40 | destinal | they both look to be serial at 115200 |
| 18:11.57 | tmzt | destinal: mostly, why iPhone? |
| 18:12.06 | tmzt | 3gs is bcm I think |
| 18:12.07 | destinal | tmzt: btstack is mostly used on iphone |
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| 18:12.30 | tmzt | sryan-2: try #android-root |
| 18:12.37 | destinal | tmzt: it's lightweight and simple so I thought it should be easy |
| 18:13.07 | tmzt | hmm |
| 18:13.13 | gollyzila | anyone know how I can alpha test AUPT? |
| 18:13.19 | tmzt | what chip is pre? |
| 18:13.35 | tmzt | this has nothing to do with that ioctl though |
| 18:13.40 | timboy | anyone here know if bypassing activation on a pre will remove all data on it? |
| 18:16.03 | destinal | tmzt: phonewreck mentions csr 63823 |
| 18:17.48 | destinal | tmzt: possible pre could use BCSP instead? |
| 18:18.19 | destinal | instead of H4 I mean |
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| 18:24.33 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.37 | timepants | :O |
| 18:24.48 | destinal | timepants: you have FIOS! I'm jealous |
| 18:24.53 | timepants | haha |
| 18:25.05 | timepants | yeah i've had it for almost 2 years now |
| 18:25.28 | timepants | yet I just got around to cancelling cable 3 weeks ago >.> |
| 18:26.22 | destinal | tmzt: I'm guessing the bluetooth chipset on the pre would still probably support h4, any with bcsp seem to support h4 as well so ar |
| 18:27.05 | destinal | unless I'm totally misreading this |
| 18:31.04 | destinal | PmBtStack -h returns some help, looks like PmBtStack -C /dev/btuart will start it |
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| 18:34.58 | MetaView | PuffTheMagic: the '.' as fiurst char works, is just you need to reboot the device, luna restart isn't enough |
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| 18:36.05 | dtzWill|away | PuffTheMagic: does the e* stuff build now in build.git? last few times i pulled i ended up pushing them to nonworking (locally) so I could get on with things (didn't have time to fix; maybe it's easy/simple, and possibly even just my end) |
| 18:36.36 | morphis | geist: ping |
| 18:36.56 | dtzWill|away | PuffTheMagic: e* i mean evas/ecore etc to be clearer |
| 18:37.56 | dtzWill|away | bah people still have issues launching, even with type:game. |
| 18:38.11 | destinal | dtzWill|away: are the permissions right? |
| 18:38.18 | dtzWill|away | maybe it's the mytether, etc, idk. |
| 18:38.24 | destinal | dtzWill|away: yeah could be |
| 18:38.37 | destinal | dtzWill|away: you'd have to have them run it by hand to see what error |
| 18:38.41 | dtzWill|away | destinal: interesting question, i didn't explicitly set them, and it *does* work for some people, which is why it's most frustrating :) |
| 18:39.04 | destinal | dtzWill|away: if you used the game-fix script I setup, the permissions will be right |
| 18:39.19 | dtzWill|away | destinal: can you run from launcher 'by hand'? --although I haven't isolated that it's the launcher and not the binary. i'll see if i can't ask them to run it |
| 18:39.49 | destinal | well you can palm-launch from the SDK connected to it or you can use luna send to call the service to launch them |
| 18:39.56 | dtzWill|away | destinal: destinal that seemed to be integrated with palm-package, etc, and i didn't see a clean way (immediately, anyway) to merge that into the build.git building system |
| 18:39.59 | dtzWill|away | destinal: kk |
| 18:40.04 | PuffTheMagic | dtzWill|away: idk, xcomp said he got it working but idk if he pushed it yet |
| 18:40.14 | dtzWill|away | PuffTheMagic: kk |
| 18:40.18 | dtzWill|away | PuffTheMagic: ty for the info |
| 18:40.29 | destinal | luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch etc |
| 18:40.36 | dtzWill|away | destinal: thanks for all the effort/work documenting this stuff heh, sorry if I apparently am messing it up :) |
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| 18:40.47 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: im using my pre as a dhcp gateway for my laptop and ps3 though linksysrouter :D |
| 18:41.01 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: lol. cool. |
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| 18:41.13 | gollyzila | Can anyone give me instructions on how to alpha test AUPT? I know i have to doctor to 1.3.1, but what do i do after that |
| 18:41.26 | sryan-3 | I keep getting this error: "an error occured: invalid session, this most likely means the server has restarted; close this dialog and then try refreshing the page." anyone know why |
| 18:41.26 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: next freetether might be a "type:game" |
| 18:41.27 | PuffTheMagic | ;) |
| 18:41.57 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: how did you wire up the linksys router to the pre? or do you have something like openwrt / dd-wrt and just set up the connection and route? |
| 18:42.01 | dtzWill|away | destinal: also, it seems when upgrading from the upstart-based to type:game, at least what i did, requires a luna restart for many. is this expected, etc? |
| 18:42.51 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: its not, its connected to my laptop, static route between laptop and accesspoint, and then i briged my usb and wifi ports on my lappy |
| 18:42.53 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: or just use the router as an AP and turn off its own dhcp? |
| 18:43.07 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: aha |
| 18:44.44 | dtzWill|away | PuffTheMagic: that's awesome :) <3 tethering goodness. |
| 18:44.56 | dtzWill|away | PuffTheMagic: you working on freetether then? or via existing usb/bt/etc? |
| 18:47.01 | destinal | hahaa, PmBtStart has an amusing way of getting a random number |
| 18:47.03 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.45 | destinal | kind of clever really |
| 18:47.55 | dtzWill|away | haha |
| 18:50.40 | destinal | aha, maybe I should be trying /dev/ttyS2 |
| 18:51.03 | destinal | non-high-speed UART, apparently still talked to at 115200 |
| 18:51.07 | PuffTheMagic | dtzWill|away: :D |
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| 18:51.46 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: thats sorta how i get my random numbers too |
| 18:52.07 | destinal | . . /dev/urandom is awesome |
| 18:52.21 | destinal | just never saw a shell script use it directly before |
| 18:53.12 | destinal | it would be cool if I was just trying the wrong device |
| 18:53.20 | OldCrowEW | just wanted to let everyone know I was able to connect to a cisco asa5520 w vpnc |
| 18:53.43 | destinal | OldCrowEW: cool |
| 18:54.05 | destinal | a friend of mine used it to talk to a cisco concentrator of some kind as well |
| 18:54.15 | destinal | on pre |
| 18:54.51 | OldCrowEW | the instructions are on precentral but several people reported issues. I didn't experience any at all |
| 18:58.09 | destinal | OldCrowEW: I wouldn't be surprised if these were people who had hosed up their kernel with mytether |
| 18:59.48 | OldCrowEW | ha, I net. |
| 19:00.12 | OldCrowEW | oh pre fail. bet not net |
| 19:02.45 | destinal | I wish I knew of some simple way to ping the bluetooth chipset with an HCI command and have it respond |
| 19:02.55 | destinal | I guess I should start reading the protocol documents |
| 19:04.19 | OldCrowEW | there should be a linux command for that |
| 19:04.27 | OldCrowEW | what does the google say? |
| 19:04.44 | destinal | OldCrowEW: it's stack dependent. most linux uses bluez |
| 19:04.48 | destinal | no bluez here |
| 19:05.06 | destinal | I'm trying a completely new bluetooth stack, here be dragons |
| 19:06.07 | destinal | what I need is to just make the simplest possible "stack" just to test bluetooth and make sure I understand whether this stack is even portable to the pre and what changes need to be made |
| 19:06.19 | OldCrowEW | I would think the bluez stack should give you enough hints to get you going |
| 19:06.40 | timepants | puts on his dragon slaying outfit |
| 19:07.11 | destinal | people tell me to just port bluez, but then we actually have to manage bluez |
| 19:07.30 | destinal | for now something simple would be nice |
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| 19:10.49 | OldCrowEW | yup |
| 19:15.19 | dtzWill|away | gets his dragon book |
| 19:15.29 | dtzWill|away | wait that doesn't help at all :P |
| 19:17.07 | dtzWill|away | destinal: agreed that bluez is probably more trouble than it's worth :/ |
| 19:18.00 | destinal | dtzWill: yeah, I've seen that iphone has success with keyboards, controllers, etc with btstack and it should be easily packaged and put in preware once it works |
| 19:18.06 | destinal | KISS principle |
| 19:18.33 | destinal | once I understand more about bluetooth, maybe I can tackle a much larger project |
| 19:18.57 | dtzWill | destinal: sounds absolutely fantastic. KISS ftw |
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| 19:23.02 | morphis | destinal: you want to implement another bluetooth stack for the pre? |
| 19:23.29 | destinal | morphis: yeah, well, I'm trying to port btstack (http://code.google.com/p/btstack/) |
| 19:23.46 | destinal | morphis: the stack on the pre as shipped is proprietary / closed source and has no HID profiles |
| 19:24.08 | morphis | destinal: jep I know |
| 19:24.21 | morphis | destinal: but do have tried to bluez on the pre? |
| 19:24.52 | destinal | morphis: I don't really understand bluez so i was going for simplicity |
| 19:25.23 | bpadalino | morphis: oh, hi .. i didn't notice you come in |
| 19:25.23 | morphis | ah ok |
| 19:25.40 | morphis | bpadalino: ah you here, great :) |
| 19:25.49 | bpadalino | great indeed! |
| 19:25.53 | bpadalino | how are things ? |
| 19:25.59 | morphis | bpadalino: it's ok cause I even do not notice that you are here :) |
| 19:26.08 | bpadalino | i'm very incognito |
| 19:26.15 | morphis | bpadalino: great, msmcommd is going to work in the next few days |
| 19:26.31 | destinal | morphis: iphone with btstack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FPHpMonoC8 |
| 19:26.38 | morphis | today I implemented some simple forwarding tool to run the program on my local pc an not on the pre |
| 19:26.42 | bpadalino | morphis: wow - that was some quick work! |
| 19:27.20 | morphis | bpadalino: jepp, yesterday I noticed that I need some different ioctl's to configure the hsuart on the pre |
| 19:27.32 | morphis | bpadalino: before I did normal setup for a serial line |
| 19:27.41 | morphis | and I wonder why I receive nothing :D |
| 19:27.47 | bpadalino | hehe |
| 19:28.31 | morphis | destinal: I think the important point for the pre is that we have some open bluetooth implementation running |
| 19:28.48 | morphis | if it is bluez or btsack should be much less important |
| 19:29.16 | destinal | bluez could be a complete replacement for stock stack (with a lot of work) |
| 19:29.28 | destinal | btstack is hid-focused |
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| 19:29.43 | destinal | so you'd have to switch stacks |
| 19:29.48 | destinal | before use |
| 19:30.09 | morphis | ah ok |
| 19:31.02 | morphis | destinal: so there currently no other profiles available than hidd ones? |
| 19:31.07 | destinal | whichever one we do, we're going to probably want to create a hidd plugin (also proprietary so we have to reverse engineer) so that we can use stock keyboards |
| 19:31.19 | destinal | morphis: hidd is not what you think |
| 19:31.45 | destinal | morphis: hidd takes all the built in hardware and presents it to luna with dbus |
| 19:31.54 | destinal | it uses a plugin architecture |
| 19:32.36 | destinal | so the proximity switch, power button, touchscreen, keyboard, etc etc |
| 19:32.42 | destinal | each have their own plugins |
| 19:33.05 | morphis | sorry I meant hid not hidd |
| 19:33.09 | destinal | oh |
| 19:33.12 | morphis | I know hidd |
| 19:33.12 | destinal | nevermind then |
| 19:33.38 | morphis | I even take a short look at when I am tried to discover how the touchcsreen works |
| 19:33.58 | destinal | morphis: the plugins provide one function which returns a callback table |
| 19:34.04 | morphis | jepp |
| 19:34.14 | morphis | there are several plugins in /usr/lib |
| 19:34.16 | destinal | structs are kind of hard to reverse engineer |
| 19:34.30 | destinal | like what is in that table, exactly? not just pointers but certainly some |
| 19:34.40 | morphis | destinal: I know I am the one who does all the work on the TIL :) |
| 19:35.30 | destinal | morphis: til? |
| 19:35.38 | morphis | TelephonyInterfaceLayer |
| 19:35.47 | morphis | the part for the modem in the pre |
| 19:35.55 | destinal | ah |
| 19:37.09 | destinal | cool |
| 19:37.32 | destinal | morphis: so any tips on figuring out an arbitrary struct for this callback table? :) |
| 19:37.40 | bpadalino | morphis is quite a smart guy |
| 19:37.49 | acydlord | destinal, thats all handled by hid processes instead of hal? |
| 19:37.57 | destinal | acydlord: yes |
| 19:38.19 | acydlord | weird, i need to take more looks through the source lol |
| 19:38.24 | destinal | SDL stuff works because it also talks to hidd. I should probably look at the sdl patch |
| 19:38.29 | acydlord | anywho shower time for me |
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| 19:38.47 | destinal | even though we're missing the hidd headers |
| 19:39.12 | destinal | (palm's source code releases are often incomplete that way -- did anyone point it out to palm?) |
| 19:40.51 | destinal | morphis: there are basically the a2dp, sco, and remote control (avrpc or something) profiles in the stock proprietary stack |
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| 19:41.11 | destinal | morphis: there are basically the a2dp, sco, and remote control (avrpc or something) profiles in the stock proprietary stack |
| 19:41.24 | destinal | not much more |
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| 19:41.30 | morphis | ah ok |
| 19:41.40 | morphis | so it would be the best to get bluez running |
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| 19:42.12 | destinal | morphis: well, if we want a comprehensive stack, yes, but we'd have to provide a lot of luna service support |
| 19:42.32 | destinal | basically handle everything it can already do now and then the rest |
| 19:43.41 | destinal | and i know almost nothing about bluez |
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| 19:44.09 | destinal | I was aiming at the relatively easier target of mice, keyboards, controllers |
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| 19:44.17 | morphis | ok, than I am very fine with getting btstack running |
| 19:44.40 | destinal | the downside is only one can talk to the UART at once, so we do indeed need a stack switcher control panel |
| 19:45.10 | destinal | switch between palm stack and btstack (maybe eventually bluez same way) |
| 19:45.52 | destinal | could be done with upstart service |
| 19:46.35 | destinal | but before any of that, I just want to know why I can't talk to the bluetooth uart in a meaningful way. I have much to learn, I think |
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| 19:56.59 | morphis | bpadalino: you are still want to help me with the modem stuff? |
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| 19:57.22 | bpadalino | morphis: yeah i'd love to .. in any way i can help |
| 19:57.34 | bpadalino | i don't own a GSM pre .. just a CDMA one |
| 19:58.03 | bpadalino | not sure how different the modem interfaces are for them .. or if they are different at all |
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| 20:00.19 | dangerskew | has anyone else noticed that the latest update to VBA actually decreased performance? |
| 20:04.22 | dtzWill | dangerskew: i hope not :(. particular game? across the board? how much? |
| 20:05.09 | dtzWill | o_O okay then |
| 20:05.51 | morphis | bpadalino: I think they are different in some little stuff |
| 20:06.00 | morphis | but all in all they should be the same |
| 20:06.24 | morphis | what you can do: you can provide me some debug logs from you cdma pre |
| 20:06.31 | bpadalino | morphis: sounds good .. just let me know what you'd like me to do, and i'll give it a shot |
| 20:06.40 | morphis | great |
| 20:06.59 | morphis | I will write you a mail tomorrow, or send you a link to an entry in the webos-internals wiki |
| 20:07.10 | bpadalino | sounds good |
| 20:14.18 | PuffTheMagic | the best Pandora music channel |
| 20:14.24 | PuffTheMagic | "Ghostface Radio" |
| 20:14.25 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
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| 20:39.38 | gollyzila | rwhitby: you here? |
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| 20:39.47 | gollyzila | egaudet: you here? |
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| 20:41.55 | rb2k | wow, you can actually set the APN in 1.3.5.1 |
| 20:42.00 | rb2k | was that always like that? |
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| 20:45.11 | gollyzila | Channel seems very quiet |
| 20:45.34 | acydlord | channel is usually quiet around this time |
| 20:46.56 | gollyzila | Well I've been asking since this morning but no one ever responds. Can someone show me how to participate in alpha testing AUPT? |
| 20:47.13 | Jolting | Whats AUPT? |
| 20:47.54 | AnOutsider|AFK | Auto-Update Patch Technology |
| 20:47.56 | rb2k | auto update patch technology |
| 20:48.26 | Jolting | I got freeciv building and running on my pre. Crashes if you click around too much though and no right click |
| 20:49.21 | gollyzila | I know I have to doctor to 1.3.1, but is it safe to go from1.3.5.1 to 1.3.1? |
| 20:50.29 | acydlord | it's not unsafe, doctoring completely removes the current image and loads the one in use onto the device |
| 20:51.15 | rb2k | "not unsafe" |
| 20:51.24 | gollyzila | double negative |
| 20:51.27 | rb2k | exactly |
| 20:51.44 | gollyzila | So there should be no problems with my Palm Profile erasing anything? |
| 20:52.05 | rb2k | from what I know, it's almost impossible to brick a pre |
| 20:52.12 | rb2k | don't know about paid for apps |
| 20:52.17 | rb2k | or contacts etc |
| 20:52.23 | rb2k | that stuff will probably be gone |
| 20:53.09 | Jolting | I think I read somewhere that contacts imported through web services don't sync. |
| 20:53.18 | gollyzila | Oh. I have my contacts and calendars synced with Google. |
| 20:53.46 | Jolting | Not really a problem then |
| 20:55.19 | acydlord | i moved all my contacts to google after the fiasco with the contacts in the palm profile getting erased |
| 20:55.41 | acydlord | paid apps download when you sign into your profile |
| 20:56.12 | gollyzila | Full Erase and then WebOS Doctor is the best way to make sure everything is "out-of-the-box" stock? |
| 20:56.32 | acydlord | full erase followed by webos doctor is redundant |
| 20:56.46 | Jolting | lol |
| 20:56.48 | acydlord | webos doctor basically does a full erase |
| 20:56.56 | destinal | acydlord: no, it's not, /media/internals isn't wiped |
| 20:56.57 | egaudet | acydlord, no it's not redundant |
| 20:56.58 | destinal | by doctor |
| 20:57.07 | destinal | /media/internal |
| 20:57.20 | acydlord | every time ive doctored /media/internal was wiped |
| 20:57.29 | gollyzila | I've read and experienced that Doctor does not erase the /media/internal partition |
| 20:57.30 | destinal | acydlord: have you doctored after 1.3.2? |
| 20:57.38 | destinal | it used to do it |
| 20:57.38 | egaudet | gollyzila, you test aupt you will have to manually adjust your patches feeds to point to correct testing patch feed for webos version |
| 20:57.44 | Kyusaku | Full Erase doesn't touch system files |
| 20:57.45 | acydlord | yeah, 1.3.2 to 1.3.5 on the pixi wiped everything |
| 20:57.47 | egaudet | s/you test/to test/ |
| 20:57.59 | destinal | acydlord: maybe a pixi thing, no idea |
| 20:58.11 | destinal | pre's don't any more |
| 20:58.12 | egaudet | full erase wipes /media/internal. doctor wipes everything else |
| 20:58.19 | acydlord | ahh |
| 20:58.24 | acydlord | noted for future reference |
| 20:58.40 | acydlord | i still havent had the heart to doctor my pre again |
| 20:58.40 | gollyzila | egaudet: What file do i have to edit? |
| 20:58.52 | egaudet | /etc/ipkg/webos-patches.conf |
| 20:58.54 | acydlord | last time it took nearly 2 hours to link all the profiles in my contacts |
| 20:58.58 | egaudet | err |
| 20:59.05 | JMyaDaGod | do u have to do full erase before doctor? |
| 20:59.06 | egaudet | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.11 | Kyusaku | Full Erase clears media partition and profile data, WebOS Doctor wipes the OS but not the media partition |
| 20:59.34 | Jolting | doctor doesn't erase cryptofs? So apps remain after doctor? |
| 20:59.42 | destinal | Jolting: yes |
| 20:59.53 | destinal | good thing too, I don't want to download xplane again :P |
| 20:59.54 | JMyaDaGod | i didnt do full erase on my boys i just doctored it and know his patches are stuck like there installed? |
| 21:00.14 | destinal | JMyaDaGod: patches are evil |
| 21:00.24 | Kyusaku | a full erase will have patches still in the OS |
| 21:00.47 | destinal | JMyaDaGod: if you doctor without erase, the ipkg lib will still THINK patches are installed |
| 21:00.48 | JMyaDaGod | is there a way to get rid of patches thinking they are installed without a a full erase ? |
| 21:00.49 | destinal | in fact they are not |
| 21:00.50 | Kyusaku | webOS doctor should reset any patched files to default |
| 21:00.51 | egaudet | JMyaDaGod, you can do partial erase to get rid of the ipkg data |
| 21:00.52 | Jolting | or just keeps media? |
| 21:01.01 | destinal | JMyaDaGod: you can manually remove them from the ipkg lib |
| 21:01.13 | destinal | JMyaDaGod: we should really fix up ipkgservice so it can force remove |
| 21:01.25 | egaudet | destinal, I don't think so |
| 21:01.41 | destinal | egaudet: why? removing them by hand is a pita |
| 21:01.43 | JMyaDaGod | ok so what are my options as of right now to make preware stop thinking they are installed? |
| 21:01.44 | egaudet | the old rule of anything a user can do they will do. It's worse to have patches installed WITHOUT the ipkg data than vice versa |
| 21:01.59 | egaudet | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove *patches* |
| 21:02.12 | Jolting | nevermind |
| 21:02.23 | JMyaDaGod | egaudet : type that in terminal? |
| 21:02.29 | egaudet | JMyaDaGod, yea |
| 21:02.35 | JMyaDaGod | egaudet :thanks |
| 21:02.50 | gollyzila | egaudet: /media/internal/apps is not present on my phone? It is running 1.3.5.1. Will it show once I'm on 1.3.1? |
| 21:03.11 | JMyaDaGod | egaudet: what happens if he really has patches installed should i remove them first? |
| 21:03.19 | egaudet | destinal, although we could do something smart with AUPT to "reinstall" all. I think the long term solution is multi-package install/remove in preware |
| 21:03.27 | Kyusaku | yes remove them |
| 21:03.34 | egaudet | JMyaDaGod, yes |
| 21:03.38 | egaudet | run EPR |
| 21:03.46 | egaudet | or manually remove the ones he's installed since the doctor |
| 21:03.57 | destinal | egaudet: sometimes it would be nice to have a nice gui around power-user functionality. this is where you and rod differ from me |
| 21:04.00 | JMyaDaGod | egaudet :ok remove theme ....EPR than run command in terminal? |
| 21:04.01 | PuffTheMagic | xcomp: ping |
| 21:04.20 | egaudet | gollyzila, it's /media/cryptofs/apps |
| 21:04.21 | egaudet | sorry |
| 21:04.39 | destinal | just because I CAN do something at command line doesn't mean I want to |
| 21:04.47 | destinal | preware is for more than just AM |
| 21:04.59 | egaudet | I agree |
| 21:05.08 | egaudet | at the least it has to be undocumented/difficult to do though |
| 21:05.25 | egaudet | something like special code to enter in preware prefs to unlock power-user "unsafe" functionality |
| 21:05.27 | destinal | egaudet: no, I don't WANT it to be difficult, otherwise I wouldn't have it there |
| 21:05.36 | destinal | right, a simple shoot myself in foot switch |
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| 21:05.43 | egaudet | destinal, "difficult" meaning AM difficult not i know what im doing difficult |
| 21:06.03 | destinal | egaudet: sure, not likely to be stumbled on |
| 21:06.05 | egaudet | But I think this is all solved with multi-package remove/install anyway |
| 21:06.09 | destinal | go into prefs and set it to adavnced |
| 21:06.16 | zonyl | Has anyone tried to run the Garnet VM on the Pre? Just downloading and trying it now |
| 21:06.34 | gollyzila | egaudet: Alright. I'm editing the file now just as a test before I do the real thing. What is the url of the alpha patch repository? |
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| 21:07.29 | egaudet | src/gz webos-patches http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/testing/1.3.5.1 |
| 21:07.40 | egaudet | note it's just adding testing/ after webos-patches |
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| 21:08.34 | gollyzila | So when I'm actually on 1.3.1, should I put 1.3.1 in that url? |
| 21:09.21 | egaudet | gollyzila, yes. When you go to 1.3.1 the ipkgservice will automatically adjust that file for you I believe |
| 21:09.28 | egaudet | to 1.3.1, but not have the testing in it |
| 21:09.53 | egaudet | so youll have to adjust it to 1.3.1 testing, then after OTA with a bunch of patches installed you have to go back in and adjust it to 1.3.5 testing |
| 21:10.08 | rb2k | here are the screenshots for the apn feature btw: http://blog.marc-seeger.de/2010/01/17/How_to_change_the_APN_on_the_Palm_Pre |
| 21:10.39 | gollyzila | egaudet: Gottcha. And i should Full Erase and Doctor, correct? |
| 21:11.12 | egaudet | probably be best yeah |
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| 21:13.01 | gollyzila | Alright, Full Erase initiated. Hopefully I didn't forget anything |
| 21:13.23 | destinal | egaudet: my point re: difficult is difficult to get advanced / dangerous options accidentally. if you say, I know what I'm doing, you should get more options that may or may not be safe |
| 21:13.32 | destinal | but it should be only a couple of clicks to switch to said mode |
| 21:15.23 | dBsooner | egaudet, rwhitby: http://webos-patches.dbsooner.com/?do=browse&webosver=all&category=all |
| 21:15.30 | dBsooner | Sorting = DONE! |
| 21:15.30 | egaudet-wirc | right. difficult I just meant unsupported not documented. |
| 21:16.32 | destinal | egaudet-wirc: it can be documented |
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| 21:17.09 | egaudet | i disagree |
| 21:17.14 | destinal | just like we have documents on how to do dangerous things at command line which if you do, we tell you so sorry, doctor your phone |
| 21:17.15 | gollyzila | crapshakes. i forgot to delete my patches before i full erase. Now my phone is frozen. But no worries, WebOS Dr. should fix that |
| 21:17.31 | egaudet | command line is something AM stays away from anyway |
| 21:17.44 | destinal | egaudet: I'm totally fed up with these AM considerations |
| 21:17.45 | egaudet | gui ability AM ventures into anything without caring about warnings |
| 21:17.47 | destinal | want to disown AM |
| 21:17.49 | egaudet | they try everything |
| 21:18.01 | egaudet | destinal, it's the support |
| 21:18.04 | dBsooner | If we don't look out for AM, our usage will drop by 80% |
| 21:18.07 | egaudet | either we support nothing or consider AM |
| 21:18.18 | destinal | egaudet: big scary buttons scare them away too |
| 21:18.24 | destinal | and we treat it no differently |
| 21:18.44 | destinal | than if they sed'd their LunaSysMgr binary and broke everything |
| 21:18.45 | egaudet | destinal, people use QI to install/remove things, get an error and just click ok through and keep going with more |
| 21:18.56 | egaudet | all I hear is "I used QI, i got some errors but who cares it worked" |
| 21:19.03 | egaudet | they do not care about anything, they just try everything |
| 21:19.10 | destinal | you have this mentality that we have to CARE when people do something stupid |
| 21:19.16 | destinal | we don't currently do so |
| 21:19.19 | egaudet | destinal, we do because we SUPPORT it |
| 21:19.21 | destinal | we won't have to do so |
| 21:19.31 | destinal | no change |
| 21:19.44 | egaudet | no support? |
| 21:19.48 | egaudet | that would be wrong of us |
| 21:19.58 | destinal | if you shot yourself in the foot, go to a hospital |
| 21:20.01 | sslow | AM? |
| 21:20.01 | destinal | it's not a gun support issue |
| 21:20.14 | egaudet | destinal, the thing is AM doesn't say "I shot myself in the foot". They say "My leg doesn't work right now" |
| 21:20.26 | rb2k | egaudet, what does "AM" stand for? |
| 21:20.30 | egaudet | Aunt Minnie |
| 21:20.33 | destinal | we still say, oh, you shot yourself in the foot, go to the hospital |
| 21:20.37 | destinal | not our fault |
| 21:20.38 | rb2k | I thought average moron, ok :) |
| 21:20.57 | egaudet | and if so many AM's get into bad situations, and we just ignore them all, then the word is that Preware is buggy etc... |
| 21:20.59 | destinal | crippling tools is not the way |
| 21:21.10 | egaudet | destinal, the point is it takes time to get to the point of "you shot yourself in the foot" |
| 21:21.10 | destinal | I hate lobotomizing stuff for lowest common denominator |
| 21:21.12 | gollyzila | Actually, the best thing to do is to go to the Doctor ;) |
| 21:21.23 | egaudet | you have to spend time supporting to reach the conclusion of what they really did and why |
| 21:21.42 | egaudet | Plus the bottom line is that anything needed like this indicates that something else is not robust/right |
| 21:21.52 | destinal | patches are NOT robust / right |
| 21:21.54 | destinal | never have been |
| 21:22.03 | egaudet | in AUPT they will be robust |
| 21:22.22 | egaudet | the issue you want to solve is the case that ipkg data stays but patch effects are gone |
| 21:22.44 | destinal | egaudet: but I also want it to be flexible enough to fix other things in the future |
| 21:22.49 | destinal | without having to bring up terminal |
| 21:22.55 | destinal | don't limit me |
| 21:22.56 | egaudet | the first issue for that is that current APT isn't good with that case and just errors on remove. The second issue is that Preware has no way to make multi-pacakge remove/installs easy |
| 21:23.05 | gollyzila | WebOS Dr. does not recognize my phone. What is that key combo to put phone into "recovery mode"? |
| 21:23.21 | destinal | power in a tool is not a bad thing |
| 21:23.35 | egaudet | destinal, we can add an undocumented "power-user-advanced" option to prefs, but documenting it just invites AM |
| 21:23.49 | destinal | not documenting is keeping secrets and silly |
| 21:24.10 | egaudet | These "power" functionality is really a workaround to bugs/missing features |
| 21:24.11 | destinal | just put warnings all over it |
| 21:24.14 | egaudet | so I disagree that it's silly |
| 21:24.42 | destinal | egaudet: I want more capability in my tools, you want them to only handle the common case |
| 21:24.46 | egaudet | you don't bring up synaptic package manager and say "remove this package without runing prerm" or something |
| 21:24.48 | destinal | that's our argument essentially |
| 21:24.58 | egaudet | destinal, no I don't want them to only handle the common case |
| 21:25.09 | egaudet | The capability you are asking for is due to bugs/missing features |
| 21:25.18 | egaudet | not "uncommon" case that I want to ignore |
| 21:25.32 | destinal | egaudet: I'd like to be able to force a remove despite a dependency for instance |
| 21:25.39 | destinal | doesn't synaptic support that? |
| 21:25.57 | egaudet | I don't know does it? |
| 21:26.11 | egaudet | I use command line on my ubuntu anyway :P |
| 21:26.25 | egaudet | what reason would you remove despite a dependency? |
| 21:26.27 | destinal | same here, not very convenient on a phone on the road |
| 21:26.45 | destinal | to reinstall services for instance |
| 21:26.56 | destinal | without reinstalling all their apps |
| 21:27.23 | egaudet | why would you reinstall a service |
| 21:28.04 | destinal | I doctored without full erase |
| 21:29.25 | destinal | the point is, a feature is a feature, having to justify why I'd want it is silly |
| 21:29.53 | destinal | I just want it, I'd find it useful :) |
| 21:30.26 | egaudet | destinal, just because you want it and find it useful doesn't mean it should go into an application that is used by the masses |
| 21:30.43 | destinal | egaudet: there should be features that not everyone will use |
| 21:30.50 | destinal | I don't force you to use it |
| 21:31.06 | egaudet | I mean I get what you are saying, there is definitely something to be said for having easy ability to do everything that ipkg offers from the GUI level. We can't predict future failures/issues |
| 21:31.22 | egaudet | But that could probably go into an "Ipkg app" |
| 21:31.34 | destinal | we're about openness and capability, yet we want to rigidly define our gui to some tiny subset of capability, why? |
| 21:31.52 | AnOutsider|AFK | *grabs popcorn* |
| 21:32.03 | destinal | if they're not good enough for command line or if they don't feel like typing in a terminal, forget them? |
| 21:32.11 | egaudet | destinal, Preware is not a mapping of ipkg to gui. Preware is a homebrew installer, and homebrew packages have certain rules for instance A depends on B means A cannot be installed without B |
| 21:32.12 | destinal | they can use just these few things? |
| 21:32.28 | egaudet | a documented application that maps ipkg functionality directly to a gui I think is perfectly reasonable |
| 21:32.36 | gollyzila | too intrigue to get up and get popcorn |
| 21:32.47 | AnOutsider|AFK | had a bowl on hand |
| 21:32.48 | destinal | ok, then we need that, but we should still add the functionality to ipkgmgr |
| 21:32.56 | destinal | err ipkgservice |
| 21:32.59 | egaudet | you are talking about advanced usage of ipkg to workaround bugs, not really a "feature" |
| 21:33.00 | destinal | like I said :) |
| 21:33.12 | destinal | egaudet: I'm talking about giving me power to deal with the unforseen |
| 21:33.12 | egaudet | destinal, oh yea to the service |
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| 21:33.26 | destinal | I can't anticipate that everything will always be perfect |
| 21:33.49 | egaudet | right but you know how to fix things and get yourself out of a hole. AM only knows how to break things :P |
| 21:34.23 | destinal | egaudet: well, I'll give myself make a separate app to do it, it still seems silly |
| 21:35.17 | egaudet | The first thing AM would have done if it was in preware would be to force remove when they get an error on some patch they think is gone, but it isn't because some other unsupported app they installed messed up some of the files, and then they get into some funky situation that we have almost no idea how to backtrack because AM will never tell us everything |
| 21:36.29 | egaudet | If we don't support that and help AM, they get furstrated and stop using preware. And then they recommend against using it for others, and then we eventually wind up in preware being an advanced-user only app |
| 21:36.39 | zonyl | The Garnet OS emulator starts to run on the Pre. It cannot display though cause SDL is not available in debian chroot (AFAIK). |
| 21:36.49 | destinal | zonyl: why are you using chroot? |
| 21:37.05 | zonyl | destinal: It needs both X11 and chroot. X11 for the prefs and stuff. |
| 21:37.15 | destinal | oh, then we need a port away from x11 |
| 21:37.16 | zonyl | er s/chroot/sdl/ |
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| 21:37.34 | zonyl | destinal: the dont give out code :( |
| 21:37.44 | destinal | oh |
| 21:37.56 | egaudet | destinal, I also think that ipkgservice should detect a doctor and reinstall advanced homebrew |
| 21:37.57 | zonyl | Is it possible to get SDL working from within chroot? |
| 21:38.01 | gollyzila | My windows 7 comp doesn't recognize my Pre in recovery mode. How do I Doctor then? |
| 21:38.02 | egaudet | automatically |
| 21:38.02 | destinal | zonyl: they give out an arm binary though? |
| 21:38.12 | zonyl | destinal: Yep. Took it from Mameo |
| 21:38.39 | destinal | zonyl: I think making a chroot environment to provide binary compatibility with maemo apps would be a cool thing to have |
| 21:38.40 | zonyl | destinal: It wants to run and looks like it is working otherwise. Just no display |
| 21:38.47 | PuffTheMagic | zonyl: why you using a chroot |
| 21:38.56 | zonyl | PuffTheMagic: It needs both X11 and SDL |
| 21:39.09 | destinal | but X11 means unless we have X it won't work |
| 21:39.09 | PuffTheMagic | zonyl: why do u need X11? |
| 21:39.14 | sryan | anyone know what web language is being used for the 3D models on wowarmory |
| 21:39.15 | zonyl | PuffTheMagic: The xserver I am using doesnt support SDL |
| 21:39.24 | PuffTheMagic | why do u need an xserver? |
| 21:39.30 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: binary only app built for maemo |
| 21:39.37 | zonyl | PuffTheMagic: I dont have the source code and that is the way they built the app |
| 21:39.45 | PuffTheMagic | what app? |
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| 21:39.52 | zonyl | GarnetOS emulator |
| 21:40.04 | PuffTheMagic | yeah running X for that is a waste |
| 21:40.43 | zonyl | PuffTheMagic: It would appear it is mostly SDL from the strace I am running. Just wont show the splash and prefs at the beginning and sits (x11 part) |
| 21:41.15 | zonyl | PuffTheMagic: Agree. The X bit does seem lazy |
| 21:41.53 | destinal | zonyl: if we can figure out what symbols it needs from libx11 we could make something to satisfy them |
| 21:42.08 | PuffTheMagic | LD_PRELOAD trick :D |
| 21:42.20 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: exactly |
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| 21:43.10 | PuffTheMagic | that should be easy |
| 21:43.10 | gollyzila | any help please? |
| 21:43.34 | destinal | gollyzila: missed your question |
| 21:43.37 | PuffTheMagic | zonyl: make a .so that implements the sdl X11 call to create the initial surface and have it actually call the fb init |
| 21:43.38 | destinal | gollyzila: can you repeat? |
| 21:43.53 | gollyzila | My windows 7 comp doesn't recognize my Pre in recovery mode. How do I Doctor then? |
| 21:44.26 | destinal | gollyzila: try start, run, services.msc |
| 21:44.34 | destinal | look for Palm Novacom service |
| 21:44.45 | zonyl | PuffTheMagic: Which way? Should I get it running in CHroot or in WebOS? |
| 21:44.47 | destinal | stop and restart it |
| 21:44.58 | destinal | gollyzila: then unplug pre and plug it back in |
| 21:46.08 | zonyl | PuffTheMagic: Its looking for libx11-gdk right off the get go. |
| 21:46.33 | gollyzila | i stoped it. My comp then installed a driver which it's named contained "bootie". Then i restarted Palm Novacom and WebOS doctor now recognizes my Pre. Should i disconnect and reconnect phone? |
| 21:46.46 | destinal | gollyzila: no that last step was optional |
| 21:46.54 | destinal | if it sees it, continue with doctor |
| 21:47.03 | gollyzila | Alright. Thank you very much! |
| 21:47.11 | destinal | you're welcome |
| 21:47.26 | Jolting | gollyzila: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Novacom_with_Windows_7 |
| 21:47.38 | destinal | Jolting: he doesn't need that |
| 21:48.10 | destinal | usually with doctors not recognizing pre's you just have to restart novacom service. now, if he didn't have the service installed, he might need that. but obviously, he did have it |
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| 21:48.41 | gollyzila | Imagine if Palm's customer service was as good as Preware's "customer service"? Man, issues would be fixed in no time. |
| 21:48.51 | gollyzila | Yes, I already had it installed...... |
| 21:49.18 | gollyzila | BUT when i started WebOS doctor a window popped up stating that it was installing Novacom. Could it have replaced it? |
| 21:49.25 | zonyl | ldd shows 49 libs (eek) |
| 21:50.13 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: achieving general binary compatibility with maemo would be cool, although only really needed for binary only software distribution like this one |
| 21:50.36 | destinal | zonyl: ouch, that might be rather challenging |
| 21:50.58 | Jolting | zonyl: how many are missing? |
| 21:51.10 | zonyl | destinal: looks like debian satisfys most of it. Just dies on getting sdl initialized |
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| 21:51.50 | destinal | zonyl: did you use the debsmall on the wiki as a base? |
| 21:51.59 | zonyl | destinal: yep. |
| 21:52.23 | sryan | whats the fastest/easiest way to get preware? WOSQI? |
| 21:52.48 | destinal | sryan: easiest, yup |
| 21:53.08 | destinal | sryan: only downside is the long doctor download depending on your broadband speed |
| 21:53.25 | destinal | then again on 12megabit it's only 3-4 mins |
| 21:54.10 | zonyl | destinal: I get an empty window when running yielding the following stderr: Couldn't initialize SDL: Found no sufficiently capable X11 visuals |
| 21:54.30 | destinal | zonyl: where did your libsdl come from? |
| 21:54.39 | zonyl | apt ;) |
| 21:54.43 | destinal | oh, well yeah |
| 21:54.48 | Jolting | lol |
| 21:54.49 | destinal | that will never work |
| 21:54.56 | Jolting | needs to be patched |
| 21:55.17 | zonyl | Should I take WebOS's and bring it into chroot? |
| 21:55.28 | Leoryk | hi iam a writer some czech online magazine about smatphones. do you somebody info about new functions of palm pre plus? i see only + 8GB internal memory and next features are only software. My question is wil have new software features for palm pre plus old palm pre too? |
| 21:55.28 | destinal | you can copy the deb libs out of the chroot or copy a bunch of palm libs in AND mount proc I think |
| 21:55.38 | destinal | there's some IPC stuff to luna, not sure if it needs proc |
| 21:56.00 | destinal | that is copy only the deb libs that are missing and put them in /usr/local/lib |
| 21:56.33 | destinal | I would personally try escaping the chroot |
| 21:57.10 | zonyl | destinal: Thats what I am beginning to do. I want to get tightvncserver running without chroot as well. Two birds one stone thing now. |
| 21:57.46 | destinal | zonyl: uh, doesn't tightvncserver need a functioning X server though> |
| 21:58.08 | zonyl | destinal: Im not an expert on X by any stretch, but doesnt the error I copied mean the x server is telling the app it doesnt have SDL? |
| 21:58.20 | destinal | no, it's SDL saying it can't find X |
| 21:58.29 | destinal | because it's not a palm pre aware SDL |
| 21:58.34 | gollyzila | destinal: just curious, AUPT is for patches, is there a technology for homebrew apps? |
| 21:58.47 | zonyl | destinal: Ah. Good to know. |
| 21:58.53 | gollyzila | destinal:with the same functionality as AUPT |
| 21:59.30 | sryan | leoryk: it also has double the internal memory (RAM) +256MB, removed navigational button, improved keyboard slider mechanism, removed orange styling on keyboard |
| 21:59.51 | destinal | sryan: what color is the orange button then? |
| 21:59.51 | zonyl | destinal: tightvncserver is a xserver on its own. |
| 22:00.01 | destinal | zonyl: oh |
| 22:00.02 | Kyusaku | white |
| 22:00.16 | destinal | Kyusaku: this is going to play havoc with writing instructions |
| 22:00.26 | Leoryk | sryan: thanx, but every software thing wil be in old pre too? |
| 22:00.31 | zonyl | destinal: We used to use the same vnc trick to get X11 on the Zaurus back in the day. |
| 22:01.08 | gollyzila | There is no driver for the Pre's OMAP3430 processor right? cause my computer just gave me an error that it couldn't install that driver |
| 22:01.10 | sryan | Verizon will get mobile hotspot app officially from palm |
| 22:01.11 | Kyusaku | destinal: yeah I don't get why they got rid of the color, I rather liked it |
| 22:01.34 | destinal | Kyusaku: they now need to give it a generic name like modifier key or meta key |
| 22:01.44 | destinal | because you can't tell people to hit orange |
| 22:01.55 | gollyzila | or Function key |
| 22:02.26 | destinal | you think Verizon thought of the orange as too closely identified with Sprint even though all the other telcos have orange buttons too? |
| 22:02.31 | zonyl | Anyway. I started on this because I was browsing some N900 forums where folks were talking about trying to get it to run WebOS SDL games ;) |
| 22:02.48 | destinal | zonyl: what? |
| 22:03.12 | destinal | zonyl: but most of the stuff we're trying to get going is ported to maemo already |
| 22:03.21 | destinal | oh you mean the commercial ones |
| 22:03.23 | zonyl | destinal: THe n900 folks are envious of commercial games on the Pre and want to run the bins on their phone. |
| 22:03.31 | destinal | yeah, I see |
| 22:03.35 | destinal | not a bad idea |
| 22:04.06 | destinal | it really shouldn't be THAT hard |
| 22:04.13 | zonyl | I figured the same could be true for us to run mameo stuff on Pre. The one thing I wanted was a real PalmOS emulator (not classic limited version) |
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| 22:04.31 | destinal | zonyl: well it's easier for them |
| 22:04.43 | destinal | they only need SDL. we need X / gdk |
| 22:04.56 | zonyl | destinal: As I am starting to see ;) |
| 22:06.23 | zonyl | destinal: From what I was reading they are all good to go except for the multi-touch (multiple SDL mouse events) |
| 22:06.29 | destinal | zonyl: have a link to their thread? |
| 22:06.45 | destinal | zonyl: yeah, none of the games we have so far need multiple mice |
| 22:06.52 | destinal | unless I'm wrong |
| 22:07.11 | zonyl | destinal: NFSU uses two finger pause. ) |
| 22:07.21 | zonyl | destinal: Not earth shattering |
| 22:07.46 | PuffTheMagic | damn my phone is working hard |
| 22:08.01 | PuffTheMagic | playing pandora + providing wifi to my lappy and ps3 |
| 22:08.26 | zonyl | trying to find that thread |
| 22:09.21 | Jolting | Has sprint ever done anything about wifi sharing? |
| 22:09.38 | destinal | it didn't occur to me that the fact that those commercial games were based on an amazingly portable framework would work both ways. |
| 22:09.55 | gollyzila | PuffTheMagic: Holy crap!! Hopefull your phone doesnt melt |
| 22:10.35 | destinal | zonyl: now they just need a palm catalog emulator to buy type: game apps :) |
| 22:10.36 | Jolting | gollyzila: That would make a good youtube video. |
| 22:11.14 | destinal | zonyl: wonder what they did about libpdl |
| 22:11.27 | gollyzila | Jolting: Yeah. You playing MW2. You just get the nuke and your phone melts causing your PS3 to lose connection |
| 22:11.31 | zonyl | Here is one of them talking about games: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=460756 |
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| 22:14.04 | Jolting | PuffTheMagic: How hot does your phone get? |
| 22:18.35 | destinal | zonyl: the folks in #maemo at the moment hadn't heard of it |
| 22:18.44 | destinal | zonyl: but a few found the idea intriguing |
| 22:19.16 | destinal | (after one tried to explain to me that maemo and webos weren't the same like I was a noob) :P |
| 22:21.23 | PuffTheMagic | Jolting: its surprisingly cool right now.... |
| 22:22.26 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: does the EVDO work well enough for your apartment at the moment? |
| 22:22.38 | destinal | I imagine latency might make ps3 games a little frustrating |
| 22:22.52 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: im not using it for games |
| 22:23.11 | PuffTheMagic | i just did it for shits and giggles |
| 22:23.15 | destinal | hehe |
| 22:23.15 | PuffTheMagic | and to download the update |
| 22:24.05 | PuffTheMagic | so when i connect to my quassel server (which is in germany) over cable my lag is about 60ms |
| 22:24.16 | PuffTheMagic | over my phone is about 100-300ms average |
| 22:24.43 | destinal | not bad |
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| 22:25.33 | rwhitby | sryan: fastest/easiest way to get Preware correctly is via the preware-bootstrap script |
| 22:25.43 | destinal | has an absurd desire to run out and buy an N900, and buy games from palm's app catalog to play on it :P |
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| 22:26.21 | destinal | rwhitby: but the preware-bootstrap script asks _questions_ :P |
| 22:26.22 | sryan | is it possible to do the bootstrap script when I don't have the terminal on the phone |
| 22:26.23 | PuffTheMagic | has an urge to banish destinal |
| 22:26.48 | rwhitby | sryan: you need a command line to run the bootstrap script |
| 22:26.55 | rwhitby | if you don't know how to get a command line, use WOSQI |
| 22:27.16 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: you of the routing your network through a pre for giggles can scoff at running pre games on an n900 for the hell of it? :P |
| 22:27.49 | sryan | you get the the command line from the terminal application right |
| 22:28.10 | destinal | sryan: best thing is to grab the Palm SDK and run novaterm |
| 22:28.18 | destinal | from your PC |
| 22:28.45 | destinal | but with WOSQI you don't have to bother with that |
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| 22:28.58 | PuffTheMagic | destinal: what you just suggested is traitorish |
| 22:29.04 | rwhitby | So I think I found a fatal bug in Preware/ipkgservice last night. |
| 22:29.18 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: haha |
| 22:29.46 | rwhitby | installing apps via preware while the app catalog is installing stuff in the background seems like it can collide on the ipkg status file. |
| 22:30.04 | destinal | rwhitby: race condition eh |
| 22:30.26 | destinal | rwhitby: no locking built into ipkg? |
| 22:30.32 | rwhitby | ipkg does locking |
| 22:30.37 | rwhitby | but I expect Palm are not using the normal ipkg command, so no locking |
| 22:30.42 | destinal | but they are |
| 22:30.53 | destinal | I've traced it |
| 22:31.06 | destinal | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install xplane blah blah |
| 22:31.06 | rwhitby | for com.palm.appInstallService ? |
| 22:31.11 | destinal | yup |
| 22:31.42 | destinal | could it be that offline mode doesn't lock? |
| 22:32.28 | rwhitby | dunno, I'll be checking into it today. |
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| 22:33.56 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: I won't be a traitor until maemo gets a multitouch device, how's that? :) |
| 22:34.48 | destinal | which actually could be the pre, but who has that kind of spare time |
| 22:35.31 | PdxJohn | can anyone tell me why my optware feed keeps failing to update local optware package database? :( |
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| 22:36.26 | freakout87 | pokes his head in |
| 22:36.35 | freakout87 | wonders why he can't change his nick! |
| 22:36.36 | destinal | freakout87: you're a blast from the past |
| 22:36.50 | destinal | lol |
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| 22:37.17 | PdxJohn | no one know? |
| 22:37.19 | destinal | freakout: ah, there you are |
| 22:37.22 | freakout | ah, that's better |
| 22:37.34 | freakout | So: my last day in town... |
| 22:37.54 | freakout | for three months, at least. |
| 22:38.09 | rwhitby | PdxJohn: only if you tell us what you did, what you expected to happen, and what did happen ... |
| 22:39.48 | PdxJohn | I ran sh optware-bootstrap-manual.sh, all goes well until it tries to update local optware package database, then it returns a 401 error in the log |
| 22:43.08 | destinal | freakout: it won't be the same without you to antagonize dieter! :) |
| 22:43.29 | destinal | and/or fight with for scoops |
| 22:44.11 | zsoc | professional football referees are so bad, I may stop watching the sport. |
| 22:44.21 | zsoc | s/football/american footbal |
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| 22:45.12 | egaudet | zsoc, the Jets suck |
| 22:45.35 | PdxJohn | 404 error my bad, "downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/pixi/cross/unstable/packages.gz |
| 22:45.37 | zsoc | egaudet: yes, but that was the worst reviewed call i've seen this seasons. they have _instant replay_, it clearly was a catch |
| 22:45.58 | zsoc | egaudet: and in all fairness, they _offense_ sucks. they have the best defense in the league |
| 22:46.03 | chezbi | this might as well be called #NFL |
| 22:46.18 | chezbi | haha |
| 22:46.29 | zsoc | chezbi: i apologize for interrupting your in depth webos discussion |
| 22:46.36 | chezbi | lol just joking |
| 22:47.45 | egaudet | zsoc, yeah |
| 22:47.52 | egaudet | well I won't admit to anything positive for the Jets |
| 22:47.58 | egaudet | I don't care how true it is :P |
| 22:48.33 | zsoc | egaudet: lol, you used to be my favorite non-biased webosinternals-head ;) |
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| 22:49.03 | egaudet | :P not when it comes to the hated Jets, nope never! |
| 22:49.15 | gollyzila | egaudet: I'm on 1.3.1. but there is no /media/cryptofs directory. I'm intending to alpha test AUPT. |
| 22:49.26 | timepants | did somebody say jets |
| 22:49.28 | timepants | boo jets |
| 22:50.03 | egaudet | gollyzila, /var/etc/ipkg/webos-patches.conf in 1.3.1 /media/cryptofs doesnt' exist until 1.3.5 |
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| 22:51.09 | chezbi | does anyone know if robitaille will include /media/cryptofs into the next internalz update? |
| 22:51.25 | gollyzila | egaudet: thanks that's all i needed to know |
| 22:51.27 | chezbi | for the destination for copying |
| 22:51.28 | PdxJohn | meh nvm, I can tell this is something I'm gonna have to crunch out myself I guess, thanks anyways |
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| 22:53.13 | gollyzila | egaudet: so once I edit that conf file, AUPT should be active? |
| 22:53.48 | egaudet | AUPT is simply the logic in the scripts. Once you edit that file, update feeds in preware, then preware will be seeing patches from the test feed which include AUPT logic scripts yes |
| 22:54.33 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 22:54.40 | ron001-wIRC | anyone seen this loading Preware? "TypeError: Cannot call method 'split' of undefined" |
| 22:55.08 | dBsooner | rwhitby: ping |
| 22:55.47 | destinal | ron001-wIRC: I have |
| 22:55.49 | dBsooner | egaudet: Sorting of patches in the admin panel = DONE! |
| 22:55.52 | destinal | not sure what caused it |
| 22:56.08 | egaudet | dBsooner, nic |
| 22:56.09 | egaudet | nice* |
| 22:56.11 | gollyzila | egaudet: Sweet. So the steps i should take from here are: install patches, OTA update to 1.3.5.1, edit conf for 1.3.5.1, Emergency Migration Helper, and my patches should have transitioned? |
| 22:56.25 | dtzWill | ali1: hey, how's it going? |
| 22:56.40 | egaudet | gollyzila, you'll have to hit "update all" in preware to update all your patches as the last step |
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| 22:57.06 | dBsooner | gollyzila: make sure you edit the conf for the TESTING feed of 1.3.5.1 |
| 22:57.09 | ron001-wIRC | destinal, do I need to just reinstall it with QI? |
| 22:57.19 | gollyzila | egaudet: That's going to be difficult :P |
| 22:57.33 | destinal | ron001-wIRC: I'm not sure. you might try it but i think it was more a bad package in one of the feeds that caused it |
| 22:57.46 | sportman | anyone have issues with mytether? |
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| 22:58.26 | gollyzila | Great, the first patch I install gives me an error. How can i copy the IPKG Log from my phone to my comp? |
| 22:58.43 | CoolMatty | is there a quick and handy link to the doctor URLs ? |
| 22:58.46 | CoolMatty | for 1.3.5.1? |
| 22:59.08 | gollyzila | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
| 22:59.33 | CoolMatty | figures :p |
| 22:59.43 | CoolMatty | thanks |
| 22:59.46 | egaudet | gollyzila, just read the ipkg log |
| 22:59.52 | egaudet | did you update feeds first |
| 23:00.12 | dBsooner | egaudet, rwhitby: Do you want the WPWP to email you on new/update patch submissions and patch acceptance/denials? |
| 23:00.39 | dBsooner | egaudet, rwhitby: It is at least going to email me. It's just a short, "New/Update Patch Submitted!".. Nothing fancy. |
| 23:01.07 | egaudet | dBsooner, no |
| 23:01.14 | ron001-wIRC | destinal, I can't get the feeds to list in preware at all, and updating gives the error |
| 23:01.18 | dBsooner | egaudet, rwhitby: Basically it's the same email users will get when they submit a patch or when it changes status. |
| 23:01.27 | zsoc | dtzWill: hey, where we at? |
| 23:01.28 | dBsooner | egaudet: you suck. |
| 23:01.31 | egaudet | lol |
| 23:01.37 | dBsooner | egaudet: you sure? |
| 23:01.38 | egaudet | i don't need to know as submissions arrive |
| 23:01.51 | dBsooner | Sure you do. |
| 23:01.57 | egaudet | It won't effect at which point I log in to look at them anyway |
| 23:02.05 | gollyzila | yes I did. ipkg log states: ERROR: cannot satidfy the following dependencies for org.webosinternals.patch.app-catalog-show-download-count: org.webosinternals.lsdiff |
| 23:02.27 | egaudet | gollyzila, oh yes that is right forget I pushed that |
| 23:02.34 | egaudet | well no AUPT testing until we package lsdiff sorry |
| 23:02.37 | dBsooner | well if rwhitby thinks the same as you, then I won't program that at all. |
| 23:02.39 | zsoc | ... install diff?:> |
| 23:02.50 | zsoc | oh, LSdiff |
| 23:02.56 | dBsooner | egaudet: ^^ - as it wouldn't be of real necessity to me. |
| 23:03.01 | egaudet | dBsooner, I figure that I'll probably log in at set times each day, and getting emailed won't effect that in any way |
| 23:03.21 | dtzWill | zsoc: hey |
| 23:03.30 | dBsooner | Yeah, that's true.. but it might get to the point where patches are rarely submitted. |
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| 23:03.31 | dtzWill | zsoc: what do you mean? :) |
| 23:03.53 | gollyzila | egaudet: when will you guys package lsdiff? |
| 23:05.16 | egaudet | I'll have to talk with rwhitby |
| 23:05.29 | egaudet | not sure what the process is of getting it into optware |
| 23:05.34 | zsoc | dtzWill: i mean what's the recent news :) i feel out of the loo |
| 23:05.40 | zsoc | p |
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| 23:06.30 | gollyzila | So I should just OTA update to 1.3.5 and wait until AUPT is ready for 1.4 February? |
| 23:06.32 | dtzWill | zsoc: meh, newish release of vba, poking at some speed ideas, nothing compelling yet :) |
| 23:07.00 | zsoc | dtzWill: new release broke me btw :P |
| 23:07.44 | timepants | dtzWill is on a mission... a mission of utmost importance |
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| 23:08.23 | CoolMatty | second only to SNES emulation :D |
| 23:08.40 | zsoc | psx emulation video was pretty sexy too ;) |
| 23:08.53 | CoolMatty | psx would be too hard to play most games IMO :/ |
| 23:09.13 | zsoc | rpgs |
| 23:09.19 | acydlord | touchstone battery cover for the pixi weirds me out |
| 23:09.21 | CoolMatty | "most" |
| 23:09.35 | gollyzila | PSX would be easy to play if we could use PS3 controller through Bluetooth |
| 23:09.39 | sportman | sport |
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| 23:09.56 | sportman | bbl |
| 23:10.13 | CoolMatty | gollyzila: well there was talk of replacing the bluetooth stack on the phone to allow such things |
| 23:10.40 | gollyzila | iphone is on it's way to get ps3 controller support. |
| 23:11.09 | Jolting | I feel silly owning a ps3 controller without owning a ps3 |
| 23:11.22 | gollyzila | bbl |
| 23:12.50 | PuffTheMagic | where the hell is xcomp |
| 23:14.10 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: making you wait |
| 23:14.20 | dtzWill | zsoc: it broke what? |
| 23:15.09 | dtzWill | zsoc: does it not run? someone reports it not saving which is weird. i'm a little glad that somone technically inclined had theirs break so i can work with them to fix it :P |
| 23:15.11 | zsoc | dtzWill: i had a random freeze during gameplay, an alsa erra |
| 23:15.21 | zsoc | nah my saving is fine |
| 23:15.40 | zsoc | and the alsa error i wasn't in a place to get the error msg, it seems to be something random tho (as it's working now) |
| 23:15.54 | zsoc | so not broken :) |
| 23:16.19 | dtzWill | zsoc: okay. it actually should do much better regarding sound, in particular it shouldn't freeze anymore when you pause/minimize/etc |
| 23:16.21 | zsoc | <3's his charmeleon |
| 23:17.01 | dtzWill | zsoc: okay. well darn I don't know what's wrong; everyone who I've talked to seems to have everything working just fine haha |
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| 23:18.15 | zsoc | emulation != exact science |
| 23:18.23 | PuffTheMagic | well i guess i am going to have to package my gentoo build efl libs untill xcomp pushes his work |
| 23:18.36 | PuffTheMagic | i want to get a version of Terminus in Preware :D |
| 23:18.47 | zsoc | :> |
| 23:20.10 | dtzWill | zsoc: heh yeah. although mostly it just seems people with crazy setups that don't know what they're doing, or think mytether is a good idea :P |
| 23:20.33 | zsoc | dtzWill: i would ignore the majority of them :3, or suggest things like doctor :P |
| 23:21.51 | dtzWill | zsoc: yeah. i just feel bad--if there's something legit wrong i want to fix it. things like it not saving for people seem.. odd. |
| 23:22.55 | timepants | dtzWill, i noticed your code creates the directories if they happen to be missing somehow, do you know if they get set to the right permissions when that happens? |
| 23:23.06 | CoolMatty | protip: never doctor the pre over usb1 |
| 23:23.54 | zsoc | dtzWill: not saving is odd. |
| 23:25.11 | ron001-wIRC | destinal: : I reinstalled Preware from terminal. All fine now. tnx |
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| 23:25.57 | tlp | VBA is awesome :) |
| 23:26.02 | zsoc | i agree |
| 23:26.19 | dtzWill | timepants: interesting question. should be made 777, but I didn't test it's doing what i thought :) |
| 23:26.23 | dtzWill | tlp: glad you like it |
| 23:26.26 | zsoc | wonders if we can get kirby's tilt and tumble to work with the accellerator |
| 23:26.40 | dtzWill | haha i was wondering about that earlier hahaha. xD |
| 23:26.55 | dtzWill | probably WAY more effort than it's worth |
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| 23:26.59 | tlp | dtzWill: I was hoping it'd happen since the day I bought my Pre, but figured it was out of reach until that directfb/luna wrapper thing was finished |
| 23:27.02 | tlp | glad Palm surprised us |
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| 23:30.22 | Robi_ | hmm looks like preware doesn't handle the package manager service upgrade properly when using the update all button along with other apps |
| 23:30.31 | CoolMatty | oh god that scared the crap out of me. all of the sudden my PC made the "usb unplugged" sound while it was doctoring my phone. luckily it was because it had just finished, I thought it had a ways to go yet haha |
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| 23:31.13 | CoolMatty | zsoc: and also vibration for pokemon pinball! |
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| 23:31.54 | zsoc | Robi_: worked fine for me, in fact that was pretty intensely tested |
| 23:32.06 | CoolMatty | ugh not looking forward to remerging all these contacts. |
| 23:32.17 | Robi_ | CoolMatty: yeah sometimes I unplug teh pre from charging and minutes later the PC realizes it's gone |
| 23:33.20 | Robi_ | zsoc: usually does yeah not sure why it didn't this time |
| 23:33.42 | Robi_ | CoolMatty: you backup your database file ? |
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| 23:33.57 | zsoc | Robi_: egaudet might be interested in seeing your log |
| 23:34.21 | Robi_ | it might be overwritten already |
| 23:35.12 | destinal-wirc | keeps data in cloud |
| 23:35.12 | Robi_ | restarted preware and pkg service seems to have upgraded and upgrade went ok this time |
| 23:35.32 | CoolMatty | Robi_: no, and even if I wanted to I couldn't anyway |
| 23:35.42 | Robi_ | why? |
| 23:36.06 | rwhitby | egaudet: do you want anything other than lsdiff from patchutils? |
| 23:36.10 | Robi_ | now that the batt life is so much better i'm considering upping my idle screen timer to 2-3 min vs minimum |
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| 23:37.10 | CoolMatty | I had no way of accessing the pre's system. usb mode wouldn't work, and couldn't novaterm/ssh in |
| 23:37.31 | Robi_ | ok just doctored my old phone and it's ready to be sent back to palm |
| 23:37.39 | Robi_ | CoolMatty: terminal? |
| 23:37.59 | egaudet | rwhitby, just lsdiff for now, haven't run accross a need for anything else (yet) |
| 23:38.46 | CoolMatty | Robi_: nope, and doesn't matter now I'm post-doctored :p |
| 23:38.50 | mtw | VBA get updated? |
| 23:39.04 | rwhitby | egaudet: which version of patchutils were you using? |
| 23:39.05 | dtzWill | mtw: depends on what version you currently have :) |
| 23:39.08 | CoolMatty | why is it that the firstlaunch app doesn't let you turn on wifi >.> |
| 23:39.18 | Robi_ | CoolMatty: if you doctored to 1.3.5 the usb partitino is no wiped |
| 23:39.23 | rwhitby | CoolMatty: cause you didn't use meta-doctor |
| 23:39.26 | mtw | dtz, do you play on porting gpsp? |
| 23:39.28 | destinal-wirc | dtzwill: the appinfo.json with type game works fine for me |
| 23:39.36 | CoolMatty | rwhitby: of course I didn't ;) |
| 23:39.49 | zsoc | mtw: i think he plans on making vba run gba well :) |
| 23:39.54 | destinal-wirc | but I don't think nowindow should be true |
| 23:39.55 | rwhitby | egaudet: can't find lsdiff in patchtutils 0.3.1 |
| 23:40.03 | Sonic-NKT | zsoc: accellerator would be very cool :D you know boktai? that uses a light sensor ;) |
| 23:40.07 | dtzWill | destinal-wirc: wonderful. some people reported havign to restart luna to get it to work; idk. but worked perfectly for me heh. always seems to be the case xD |
| 23:40.08 | mtw | i doubt that'll ever happen, zsoc |
| 23:40.11 | zsoc | Sonic-NKT: yeah someone mentioned that to me, lol |
| 23:40.15 | zsoc | mtw: ... and why is that? |
| 23:40.25 | destinal-wirc | and nodeprecatedstyles doesn't make sense I think |
| 23:40.32 | rwhitby | egaudet: scratch taht |
| 23:40.42 | destinal-wirc | is a mojo thing |
| 23:40.43 | mtw | it never happened for any other platform, the insane amount of coding to make vba run well... |
| 23:40.51 | Sonic-NKT | zsoc: both should be possible :D wonder if someone ever will put that work into it ;) |
| 23:41.33 | zsoc | Sonic-NKT: it's a serious hack just to get _one_ rom to run |
| 23:42.07 | rwhitby | egaudet: seems lsdiff is a symlink to filterdiff |
| 23:42.25 | Sonic-NKT | zsoc: i know and its pretty useless but it still would be awesome, about the accelerometer, there are several gba games for that |
| 23:42.42 | CoolMatty | there's a lot that use the rumble pack as well |
| 23:42.56 | CoolMatty | actually wait |
| 23:42.59 | CoolMatty | that might be for the ds lawl |
| 23:43.04 | CoolMatty | using gba port |
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| 23:43.14 | Sonic-NKT | there are gba and gb games with rumble i think |
| 23:43.36 | Sonic-NKT | i can definatly remember pinball game |
| 23:44.53 | CoolMatty | so what are you working on now, dtzWill, just performance improvements? |
| 23:45.15 | zsoc | emulation is just a totally different game, we need some serious arm hackers |
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| 23:45.45 | dtzWill | CoolMatty: more or less; mostly watching tv |
| 23:45.50 | dtzWill | zsoc: yeah.... yes we do. |
| 23:46.24 | timepants | i wonder if the dsp core would also be helpful as a coprocessor for that |
| 23:46.34 | dtzWill | also i think vba optimization might be viable simply b/c our processor is so much better than say, gp2x's |
| 23:46.49 | zsoc | very good point |
| 23:47.00 | dtzWill | that's the idea anyway |
| 23:47.20 | CoolMatty | what we really need is a way to plug into the matrix to teach ourselves arm-fu |
| 23:47.22 | CoolMatty | >.> |
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| 23:48.05 | timepants | ahah arm-fu D: |
| 23:48.36 | tlp | dtzWill: anyway, thanks for your work on this. Super awesome. :) |
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| 23:48.59 | timepants | dtzWill is pretty hardcore |
| 23:48.59 | tlp | I'm loving this phone more every day. |
| 23:49.03 | dtzWill | tlp: welcome. glad it's workig out. |
| 23:49.05 | dtzWill | tlp: me too :D |
| 23:49.18 | destinal-wirc1 | anyone else noticed phone calls making wirc die? |
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| 23:49.30 | tlp | the process, or the connection? |
| 23:49.33 | destinal-wirc1 | it won't reconnect auto |
| 23:49.35 | tlp | AFAIK, CDMA cannot do data + phone |
| 23:49.50 | CoolMatty | destinal-wirc1: people make phone calls on the pre? :p |
| 23:49.56 | CoolMatty | but no, I haven't noticed |
| 23:49.59 | destinal-wirc1 | lol |
| 23:50.02 | CoolMatty | but I don't exactly get many calls to know :p |
| 23:50.11 | tlp | haha. My calls on Sprint are really crisp. |
| 23:50.17 | tlp | people say it almost sounds like a landline |
| 23:50.27 | CoolMatty | people hate it when I'm on speaker |
| 23:50.32 | CoolMatty | apparently their voices echo back |
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| 23:50.43 | tlp | echo cancellation might not be so great |
| 23:50.44 | CoolMatty | especially bad when I do headphone mode through my car |
| 23:51.36 | CoolMatty | destinal-wirc1: once my phone finishes restoring and I get preware up and going again, I'll test it for you |
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| 23:52.08 | CoolMatty | also, there needs to be a "emergency service remover" like patch remover :/ |
| 23:52.34 | destinal-wirc1 | yeah I did the redoctor, reinstall ipkgservice, run preware and reinstall a bunch of services thing |
| 23:52.53 | destinal-wirc1 | and all the stupid upstart games postinsts |
| 23:53.37 | destinal-wirc1 | loathes upstarting games |
| 23:53.48 | PuffTheMagic | whats the novacom syntax to put a file |
| 23:53.49 | destinal-wirc1 | I should go fix the git repo for those |
| 23:53.51 | PuffTheMagic | i forgets |
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| 23:54.15 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic: novacom put file:///location/on/pre/filenameyouwant < localfilename |
| 23:54.16 | timepants | novacom put file:///media/internal/bees < /home/PuffTheMagic/bees |
| 23:54.22 | PuffTheMagic | thanks |
| 23:54.33 | CoolMatty | ohgod bees |
| 23:54.35 | zsoc | timepants: yep, your manual was definitely more readable lol |
| 23:54.35 | CoolMatty | >.> |
| 23:54.54 | timepants | :o |
| 23:55.39 | CoolMatty | the pre plus needs dual core >.> |
| 23:55.58 | timepants | tegra2 ftw? |
| 23:56.07 | zsoc | pinetrail lol |
| 23:56.09 | destinal-wirc1 | of course, can't fix repo without fixing build and thus forcing everyone to get a new version for little cause |
| 23:56.11 | destinal-wirc1 | sigh |
| 23:56.13 | CoolMatty | I'll tell you one thing, tegra on zunehd is omg sex |
| 23:56.23 | CoolMatty | fastest, smoothest UI I've seen on a portable ever. |
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| 23:57.05 | destinal-wirc1 | quake and doom are too big. maybe the others |
| 23:57.16 | CoolMatty | there's others? |
| 23:57.21 | CoolMatty | I mean, vba's no longer upstart... |
| 23:57.55 | destinal-wirc1 | invaders and uh,supertux which is actually big, and that tetris one |
| 23:58.19 | dtzWill | destinal-wirc1: too big? |
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| 23:58.53 | rwhitby | egaudet: lsdiff is in the feed |
| 23:59.04 | destinal-wirc1 | dtzwill: too big for me to feel good about a preware update just to move from upstart to type game |
| 23:59.14 | Jolting | Where can I get the sourcce to invaders? |
| 23:59.24 | rwhitby | git.webos-internals.org |
| 23:59.28 | destinal-wirc1 | everyone would be downloading wads again for a tiny json thing |
| 23:59.45 | timepants | git://git.webos-internals.org/games/Classic_Invaders.git |
| 23:59.49 | rwhitby | destinal-wirc1: c'est la vie |