| 00:00.02 | Kyusaku | the share link still works |
| 00:00.11 | Kyusaku | you know the app catalog share links |
| 00:00.16 | PuffTheMagic | nope |
| 00:00.18 | Abyssul_wIRC | What is first use? |
| 00:00.42 | Kyusaku | PuffTheMagic: one sec |
| 00:00.53 | Kyusaku | lemme give you the addy to use on the pre |
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| 00:02.36 | rick-wirc | first use is the app that lets you set op a ppalm profike |
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| 00:03.01 | Kyusaku | http://developer.palm.com/appdirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre&applicationid=1278 |
| 00:03.20 | Kyusaku | http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre&applicationid=1278 |
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| 00:04.16 | Kyusaku | the update app is a simple app that installs 3 IPKs it's archived with |
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| 00:04.36 | Kyusaku | a daemon with verizon checker, pmnetmanger and the actual app |
| 00:06.08 | Kyusaku | PuffTheMagic: lemme know if that address works on your Pre |
| 00:06.15 | JMyaDaGod | Kyusaku :where do i get just the one ipk |
| 00:06.43 | Kyusaku | it's in the dir that the update app installs to |
| 00:07.54 | spotter | hey, thats my link :) |
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| 00:08.22 | spotter | so has anyone had luck w/ the mobile hotspot? |
| 00:08.25 | spotter | I have it installed |
| 00:08.30 | spotter | and am able to connect |
| 00:08.38 | spotter | with old pmnetconfig mobilehotspotd |
| 00:08.51 | Kyusaku | spotter: know you posted the longer URL I might have been offline for the share url |
| 00:08.54 | spotter | but when I do connect it gives a message that my provider doesn't allow internet connection sharing |
| 00:09.03 | spotter | I was kidding :) |
| 00:09.16 | LoneStar99 | drinking wine now, this stuff has been a very very time consuming affair |
| 00:09.30 | spotter | so has anyone gotten it working? |
| 00:09.34 | Kyusaku | can you give JMyaDaGod the path I have to leave my class |
| 00:09.36 | spotter | or just able to associate with it? |
| 00:09.50 | Kyusaku | spotter: my netbook connects but no outgoing connection |
| 00:09.57 | Kyusaku | yeah only association |
| 00:10.54 | muesli | hey guys... using webos qi i just noticed that there's two preware and two package manager services in my package list |
| 00:11.03 | muesli | kinda weird. any way to clean up the ipkg package list? |
| 00:11.16 | Kyusaku | JMyaDaGod: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre |
| 00:11.37 | JMyaDaGod | ok thanks |
| 00:11.38 | Kyusaku | and I think it has an ipkg directory with the 3 ipks for the 3 different pieces |
| 00:12.16 | Kyusaku | argh |
| 00:12.32 | Kyusaku | I just locked my pre cause I had terminal open a second time |
| 00:12.40 | Kyusaku | be back in a bit on wirc |
| 00:12.47 | Kyusaku | gotta drive home |
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| 00:14.13 | PuffTheMagic | Kyusaku: links didnt work |
| 00:15.02 | LoneStar99 | rwhitby: u mentione something about setting up another network connection to vm, how do you go about doing that u have a link? |
| 00:15.18 | rwhitby | LoneStar99: just read the virtualbox manual |
| 00:15.27 | rwhitby | you want a second host-only vboxnet0 connection |
| 00:16.34 | rwhitby | muesli: does Preware show the same thing? |
| 00:16.59 | VincentLaw | where does preware check for patches on the filesystem? I doctored and need to clear the "installed" patches |
| 00:17.06 | LoneStar99 | rwhitby: thanks, hopefully this will be the last time I have to reinstall meta-doctor |
| 00:17.11 | rwhitby | VincentLaw: a partial erase will clear that |
| 00:17.51 | VincentLaw | well I didn't have to last time, I did something involving rm -rf *webos* to clear it, I just don't remember where |
| 00:18.19 | muesli | rwhitby: just checking |
| 00:18.34 | muesli | rwhitby: but what's interesting is that webos qi is showing two different versions for the two packages |
| 00:18.53 | muesli | so it's not really a dupe |
| 00:19.04 | rwhitby | muesli: check in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/status to see what reality is, and whether wosqi has a bug |
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| 00:19.33 | Kyucell | ok |
| 00:19.49 | destinal | spotter: Rick_work fyi I suspect the mobilehotspotd in 1.3.5 is brokified. |
| 00:20.09 | destinal | so not updating may give you something of a proof of concept but may not actually work |
| 00:20.50 | destinal | I'll play a little bit more later |
| 00:23.32 | egaudet | rwhitby, muesli, I can guess that preware/packagemanager are installed to both var and cryptofs |
| 00:24.11 | rwhitby | egaudet: status file should only show one as installed (it might show another as previously installed but removed on update) |
| 00:24.33 | rwhitby | egaudet: so, what's the latest status on aupt? |
| 00:24.37 | muesli | rwhitby: no, preware itself only shows the latest installed versions |
| 00:24.37 | egaudet | rwhitby, 2 status files, 2 offline roots. I'm guessing QI checks both /var and /media/ |
| 00:24.48 | egaudet | rwhitby, I'm OTA to 1.3.5 right now |
| 00:24.53 | muesli | netstat dev in here by chance? |
| 00:24.53 | rwhitby | egaudet: I'm pretty sure it doesn't. |
| 00:25.13 | spotter | destinal, for all we know, even the updated one doesn't work :) |
| 00:26.39 | muesli | i'm having the issue of not being able to reset my netstat counter (manually or automatically) |
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| 00:29.31 | timepants | :D |
| 00:32.47 | Kyucell | did anyone try installing the pmnetmanager too? |
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| 00:35.06 | muesli | egaudet: would it harm to remove the old version with webos qi then? |
| 00:35.10 | VincentLaw | oh geexz |
| 00:35.17 | VincentLaw | so the mobile hotspot doesn't work |
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| 00:35.42 | destinal-wirc | fun yet? |
| 00:35.48 | VincentLaw | no |
| 00:35.50 | VincentLaw | it doesnt work >( |
| 00:35.56 | egaudet | I don't know QI |
| 00:36.03 | Kyucell | well as long as Puff gets a copy doesn't bother me |
| 00:36.41 | muesli | ok, just gave it a shot, and it actually removed all of my preware then |
| 00:37.18 | VincentLaw | the hotspot app will let you connect to it, but it will not route anything to the evod |
| 00:37.20 | VincentLaw | *evdo |
| 00:37.26 | VincentLaw | so it sits there timing out |
| 00:37.36 | zsoc | BAH, I know I JUST went over this. |
| 00:37.48 | VincentLaw | well sorry >.> |
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| 00:38.02 | zsoc | VincentLaw: hm? oh no not you :P |
| 00:38.07 | zsoc | objcopy syntax :P |
| 00:38.10 | VincentLaw | oh |
| 00:38.15 | VincentLaw | I was like uhh I don't see anything :p |
| 00:38.38 | destinal-wirc | yeah I think that's everyone using 1.35 ver |
| 00:39.08 | VincentLaw | destinal: were you the one that told me how to remove the leftovers of installed patches after a doctoring? (via console) |
| 00:39.13 | destinal-wirc | some issue |
| 00:40.20 | destinal-wirc | no, I tolf you to find them w ipkg files |
| 00:40.29 | VincentLaw | no not that |
| 00:40.36 | VincentLaw | a few days ago :/ |
| 00:40.41 | zsoc | destinal-wirc: elf32-littlearm is what i want, right? |
| 00:40.42 | VincentLaw | and patches, not the hotspot |
| 00:41.01 | destinal-wirc | yeah |
| 00:41.32 | destinal-wirc | zsoc: yes |
| 00:41.38 | zsoc | ty |
| 00:42.22 | destinal-wirc | Vincent: I think egaudet did |
| 00:42.27 | VincentLaw | oh |
| 00:42.34 | VincentLaw | I've been trying to find it in the logs but couldnt :/ |
| 00:42.45 | egaudet | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove *patches* |
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| 00:43.16 | VincentLaw | yay thanks |
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| 00:44.01 | VincentLaw | hopefully I will never ever ever need that again >.> |
| 00:44.13 | VincentLaw | so you haven't had anymore luck with the hotspot stuff? |
| 00:44.17 | VincentLaw | destinal? :p |
| 00:44.30 | destinal-wirc | oh you docrd? |
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| 00:45.11 | VincentLaw | yeah I did |
| 00:45.20 | VincentLaw | forgot to remove patches beforehand like an idiot haha |
| 00:45.34 | VincentLaw | but anyway, it wouldn't work |
| 00:46.14 | VincentLaw | I can connect to the pre fine, but there's no internet. it's not making the final route connection from the LAN to the EVDO |
| 00:46.15 | VincentLaw | :/ |
| 00:46.30 | destinal-wirc | yeah that's what everyone gets |
| 00:46.40 | VincentLaw | boo lol |
| 00:46.43 | Sk1tt1sh | I have a quick question |
| 00:46.46 | Sk1tt1sh | "app\/models\/messaging-constants.js" |
| 00:46.52 | Sk1tt1sh | where is that pointing to? |
| 00:47.02 | spotter | anyone try to hexedit the mobilehotspotd app? |
| 00:48.29 | destinal-wirc | spoter possibly |
| 00:48.34 | VincentLaw | hmm |
| 00:48.43 | VincentLaw | is there any sort of protection on preware for circular dependencies? |
| 00:48.48 | zsoc | Is what we were calling the "pdk" now being called the "widk:? |
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| 00:51.40 | rwhitby | zsoc: yep |
| 00:51.42 | egaudet | I dunno what on earth just happened. I OTA with 1.3.1 patches installed and after migration all the patch ipkgs say they are 1.3.5 versions |
| 00:52.00 | rwhitby | egaudet: auto-aupt !!! ;-) |
| 00:52.12 | egaudet | lol i'm so confused |
| 00:52.20 | zsoc | rwhitby: ah ok. well its pretty awesome. just got a new project compiled with 0 environmental issues |
| 00:53.04 | Kyusaku | what's the command to install an ipkg via command line |
| 00:53.21 | Sk1tt1sh | hahaha gaw ima idiot |
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| 00:53.57 | egaudet | thinks migration must have gotten the updated patch info from the ipkg feed |
| 00:53.58 | spotter | hexedited mobilehotspod, lets see if it makes a diff |
| 00:54.03 | rwhitby | zsoc: better than Gentoo ? ;-) |
| 00:55.26 | spotter | good news |
| 00:55.26 | zsoc | rwhitby: it seems to be a good solution for our particular environment :) I don't think there is anything else to compare it to really, since it's all sort of 'automated for a purpose' :) |
| 00:55.26 | Sonic-NKT | spotter: got it working? :D |
| 00:55.26 | spotter | I believe w/ new mobilehotspotd hex edited, can turn on the mobile hotspot |
| 00:55.26 | spotter | not yet |
| 00:55.26 | spotter | no idea |
| 00:55.40 | spotter | can connect |
| 00:56.01 | spotter | still get auth error |
| 00:57.06 | Sonic-NKT | if you get it working, would a webos patch be possible or you have to replace the whole app |
| 00:58.06 | spotter | replace whole app probably |
| 00:58.18 | spotter | but could be wrong |
| 00:58.30 | Kyusaku | freetether gets through the auth error |
| 00:58.30 | spotter | its a pretty slick app though |
| 00:58.36 | spotter | simple, but well put together |
| 00:59.01 | spotter | where are links to freetether |
| 00:59.26 | Kyusaku | freetether is on the testing feed |
| 00:59.44 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 00:59.58 | spotter | hmm |
| 01:00.05 | spotter | testing feed? |
| 01:00.11 | spotter | hmm |
| 01:00.15 | Kyusaku | PuffTheMagic is the dev on it |
| 01:00.23 | spotter | /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward is 0 |
| 01:00.27 | Kyusaku | which is why I wanted to make sure he got the app |
| 01:00.43 | Kyusaku | spotter: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/ |
| 01:00.54 | spotter | how does one do > in terminal? |
| 01:00.55 | spotter | :) |
| 01:01.30 | spotter | I see |
| 01:01.32 | Kyusaku | shift + . |
| 01:02.13 | spotter | yes |
| 01:02.15 | spotter | the I see |
| 01:02.48 | spotter | going to break ethernet connection to try again |
| 01:05.06 | Towzzer | spotter is the new terminal out? |
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| 01:05.29 | spotter_ | didnt help |
| 01:05.29 | spotter_ | rebooting phone |
| 01:05.59 | spotter_ | I use an old one |
| 01:06.52 | Towzzer | you are trying to get the tether app to work? |
| 01:06.55 | Kyusaku | destinal is working on terminal, or are you talking about terminius |
| 01:07.33 | Kyusaku | he's dissecting mobile hotspot |
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| 01:08.08 | Towzzer | is he trying to get it work without having the proper plan? |
| 01:09.11 | Kyusaku | yeah |
| 01:09.26 | Towzzer | what about free teather |
| 01:09.26 | Kyusaku | or get freetether to mimic what it does |
| 01:09.42 | Towzzer | doesn't free tether work perfectly though |
| 01:09.42 | Kyusaku | but that's really up to Puff |
| 01:09.59 | Kyusaku | freetether works but without wifi |
| 01:10.06 | dBsooner | egaudet: AUPT?!?! |
| 01:10.09 | Kyusaku | mobilehotspot is key to get wifi working |
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| 01:10.13 | Towzzer | i always thought that wifi would really drain the batteries |
| 01:10.16 | spotter_ | personally, wifi doesn't matter to me |
| 01:10.24 | spotter_ | but I like to reverse engineer |
| 01:10.39 | JMyaDaGod | i would rather have the bluetooth back again |
| 01:11.05 | Kyusaku | bluetooth works in freetether, at least for me |
| 01:11.19 | JMyaDaGod | whens the last time u checked it? |
| 01:11.42 | JMyaDaGod | i thouht puff sais 1.3.5.1 broke it |
| 01:11.50 | Kyusaku | well the only time I've used it is in webos 1.3.5.1 |
| 01:12.05 | JMyaDaGod | o well sorry i thought it was broke my bad |
| 01:12.18 | Kyusaku | I've had freetether for like a week |
| 01:12.38 | JMyaDaGod | ahh ok |
| 01:12.46 | Towzzer | i use it alot with my laptop it works great |
| 01:17.55 | Sk1tt1sh | there's alot of typo's in the .js code on this lol |
| 01:19.10 | Sk1tt1sh | although it's commented alot so not complaining lol |
| 01:23.20 | zsoc | http://www.codemonkies.net/linux/index.php/2009/07/30/debian-palm-novacom-package/ <-- can someone confirm the legitimacy or illegitimacy of the packages being linked to in this article? They seem to be working novacom-only debs.. but I thought palm had not released them outside of the doctor or sdk |
| 01:26.03 | PuffTheMagic | bluetooth tethering dont work anymore |
| 01:26.08 | PuffTheMagic | Towzzer: ^^ |
| 01:26.11 | PuffTheMagic | but usb does |
| 01:26.15 | PuffTheMagic | and you can use wifi |
| 01:26.25 | PuffTheMagic | if you know a little networking |
| 01:26.29 | PuffTheMagic | just no adhoc mode |
| 01:26.31 | zsoc | and it's 31k. and it works. |
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| 01:26.51 | JMyaDaGod | PuffTheMagic: Kyusaku> bluetooth works in freetether, at least for me |
| 01:27.00 | PuffTheMagic | not on 1.3.5.1 |
| 01:27.20 | Kyusaku | I think I did it a few days ago, I'll have to check |
| 01:27.27 | PuffTheMagic | it says carrier does not allow |
| 01:27.44 | Kyusaku | I get an auth error, but then it just works |
| 01:28.24 | Kyusaku | I'd have to reboot in windows to test cause the BT config in this linux distro is fail. |
| 01:28.54 | Kyusaku | stupid bluez |
| 01:29.33 | Kyusaku | brb gonna reboot into XP |
| 01:31.38 | chezbi | SO the free my tether DOES work in 1.3.5.1 and all you have to do is paste wget -qO- http://vz.aonic.net/pre/my.tether.install | /bin/sh into terminal right?!?!?!?!?? |
| 01:32.07 | Towzzer | or use wosqi |
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| 01:34.02 | chezbi | @Towzzer: but what i said is right, right? |
| 01:34.08 | Towzzer | i don't know sir |
| 01:34.36 | chezbi | can anyone confirm that wifi tethering works in 1.3.5.1? |
| 01:35.13 | chezbi | with the free My Tether? |
| 01:35.13 | Towzzer | yes |
| 01:35.43 | Towzzer | it does |
| 01:35.43 | Towzzer | i use it |
| 01:35.43 | Towzzer | 1.3.5.1 freetether |
| 01:35.43 | JMyaDaGod | ur talking about mytether or freetether>? |
| 01:35.43 | Towzzer | freeteher |
| 01:35.51 | Towzzer | my teather works also but it makes the phone sad : ( |
| 01:36.03 | JMyaDaGod | how do u get the wifi to work on freetether?> |
| 01:36.30 | Towzzer | it doesn't |
| 01:36.36 | Towzzer | i use a usb cable |
| 01:36.42 | JMyaDaGod | lol |
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| 01:38.06 | JMyaDaGod | Puff stated earlier u can get wifi to work but i dont feel like bothering him to explain |
| 01:38.12 | Towzzer | oh |
| 01:38.20 | Towzzer | usb cable saves battery |
| 01:38.26 | Towzzer | and charges the phone |
| 01:39.08 | JMyaDaGod | i just hope bluetooth gets fixed before my summer online classes start......So i can take foudations of math on the beach |
| 01:39.23 | JMyaDaGod | and not have to worry about usb cable |
| 01:40.08 | bpadalino | what does foundations of math cover ? |
| 01:40.46 | Towzzer | addition |
| 01:40.48 | Towzzer | subtraction |
| 01:40.52 | Towzzer | numbers |
| 01:41.01 | Towzzer | all the foundations of math |
| 01:41.02 | Towzzer | :D |
| 01:41.22 | zsoc | bpadalino: I believe the foundations of math cover whatever is under them. |
| 01:41.26 | JMyaDaGod | who know its required after algebra for my major |
| 01:41.41 | bpadalino | weird |
| 01:42.11 | chezbi | so will webos internals be working on a tethering solution to the sprint pre users?? anyone know?!?!?? |
| 01:42.30 | Towzzer | freetether |
| 01:42.34 | JMyaDaGod | well i think i can pick which math but that one had online so i took that...should be ez |
| 01:42.39 | Towzzer | or do you mean with wifi |
| 01:44.14 | Towzzer | dagod what's your major |
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| 01:47.15 | Abyssul | How do you add new feeds to preware |
| 01:47.15 | PullingJ | hey, what is up? |
| 01:47.28 | zsoc | Abyssul: you don't if you have to ask :> |
| 01:47.32 | PullingJ | Abyssul: /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg |
| 01:47.47 | PullingJ | zsoc: :) |
| 01:48.01 | Abyssul | Haha |
| 01:49.08 | Abyssul | Meh it will have to wait til I get home |
| 01:52.59 | PullingJ | so, what's new? |
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| 01:53.14 | Towzzer | hi pulling |
| 01:53.18 | Towzzer | what is new |
| 01:53.20 | Sk1tt1sh | bleh |
| 01:53.25 | Towzzer | palm posted a tethering app |
| 01:53.27 | dBsooner | PullingJ: Hmm.. New is the oposite of old. |
| 01:53.39 | PullingJ | Towzzer: what? |
| 01:53.44 | Towzzer | that's it |
| 01:53.45 | dBsooner | s/oposite/opposite/ |
| 01:53.58 | dBsooner | ~dict new |
| 01:54.15 | PullingJ | i just found out i can't submit my taxes in turbotax until 1/27 when they get the form i need for my 2009 bmw 335d |
| 01:54.16 | dBsooner | infobot is so unreliable these days.\ |
| 01:54.37 | Towzzer | ~dict flabberghasted |
| 01:54.39 | chezbi | Can ANYONE please give me a link to the freetether forum or site that tells me how to install it?????? |
| 01:54.50 | Towzzer | chezbi do you have webos quick install ? |
| 01:54.52 | PullingJ | and i'm down one bottle of woot triacipedis |
| 01:54.58 | chezbi | towzzer: yes |
| 01:55.02 | Towzzer | ok open that up |
| 01:55.11 | chezbi | Oh is it in the ipkg feeds? |
| 01:55.31 | Towzzer | yes |
| 01:55.33 | Towzzer | wait |
| 01:55.38 | Towzzer | i don't know if it's in the feed |
| 01:55.40 | Towzzer | you can get the ipkg |
| 01:56.15 | dBsooner | sslow |
| 01:56.24 | PullingJ | chezbi: i saw freetether in the webos-testing feed |
| 01:56.25 | spotter_ | how do we install new feeds in preware? |
| 01:56.34 | spotter_ | I used to think there was a place to put it |
| 01:56.36 | Abyssul | Haha |
| 01:56.49 | PullingJ | spotter see my message in your recent scrollback |
| 01:56.50 | Towzzer | http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/all/us.ryanhope.freetether_0.0.1_all.ipk |
| 01:56.56 | Towzzer | http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/us.ryanhope.freetetherd_0.0.3_armv7.ipk |
| 01:56.58 | Towzzer | download those |
| 01:57.08 | Abyssul | Does it do wifi tether? |
| 01:57.19 | Towzzer | no |
| 01:57.22 | Towzzer | just usb |
| 01:57.24 | Abyssul | Lame... |
| 01:57.36 | spotter_ | don't see anything |
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| 01:57.43 | chezbi | just install those two? |
| 01:57.49 | Towzzer | yes |
| 01:57.51 | Towzzer | reboot |
| 01:57.55 | Sk1tt1sh | I have an interesting question... what's the difference between yahoo signon via wifi and via evdo? |
| 01:57.57 | dBsooner | sslow: ping me when you come around |
| 01:58.02 | Kyusaku | well that was no go |
| 01:58.09 | Sk1tt1sh | neither are working... |
| 01:58.13 | Towzzer | download 10gb and sprint will find you |
| 01:58.20 | Towzzer | skittish someone before was saying problems with yahoo |
| 01:58.35 | Sk1tt1sh | Any further info? |
| 01:58.35 | PullingJ | Towzzer: my bac is .11 so i aplogize if you already posted this. but what is this palm tethering app you spoke of? |
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| 01:58.54 | Sk1tt1sh | I'm working on trying to fix iit...but im not a java persona lmao |
| 01:58.54 | zsoc | PullingJ: how do you know what your bac is? |
| 01:58.59 | Towzzer | palm posted a legtimate tethering app for use with a data plane |
| 01:58.59 | Abyssul | dBsooner: ping me when you update the patches |
| 01:59.08 | PullingJ | zsoc: alochawk++ |
| 01:59.13 | Towzzer | spotter is investigating it |
| 01:59.40 | PullingJ | zsoc: i got http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5969495&sourceid=1500000000000007346330&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=5969495 off of woot a while back |
| 02:00.02 | Towzzer | does this help when the cops pull you over |
| 02:00.07 | dBsooner | Abyssul: precisely why I am waiting on sslow |
| 02:00.08 | Towzzer | they can save time? |
| 02:00.14 | dBsooner | I won't push the latest round till he replies. |
| 02:00.21 | PullingJ | helps before you get on the road? |
| 02:00.26 | Abyssul | Replies for what? |
| 02:00.36 | zsoc | PullingJ: i want one D: |
| 02:01.00 | Abyssul | Rofl... To the breathanalyzer... |
| 02:01.17 | PullingJ | zsoc: it's legit. actually at work, we have another model of alcohawk scanner that we use anytime random urinalysis (for drug screening) comes up |
| 02:01.17 | Sk1tt1sh | Towzzer where can I find the aim and yahoo specific sign in / connect info? |
| 02:01.18 | dBsooner | Abyssul: he submitted a patch called "Evdo to 4g" |
| 02:01.24 | PullingJ | in the navy |
| 02:01.26 | dBsooner | Abyssul: and that is VERY misleading. |
| 02:01.34 | Abyssul | It is |
| 02:01.41 | dBsooner | Abyssul: it's actually a scrim patch that allows you to make a new 3g icon. |
| 02:01.47 | PullingJ | Towzzer: what is the name of this legitimate tethering app? |
| 02:01.50 | Abyssul | Yea |
| 02:02.17 | PullingJ | btw, the alcohawk is an AWESOME drinking game |
| 02:02.38 | Abyssul | I thought I remember seeing 4g icons in the system ui folder or I was mistaken for something also |
| 02:03.45 | chezbi | does anyone know what is the name of this legitimate tethering app? |
| 02:03.47 | dBsooner | Or maybe he means you can change the EVDO to a 4g icon |
| 02:03.54 | dBsooner | but still, that needs to be named differently. |
| 02:03.57 | dBsooner | and I want his input |
| 02:04.29 | Kyusaku | wtf |
| 02:04.35 | Abyssul | I think that is the function |
| 02:04.38 | Kyusaku | this can't be right |
| 02:04.45 | Abyssul | It replaces the evdo icon with 4g icon |
| 02:05.02 | Abyssul | Read a request for it last night |
| 02:05.55 | dBsooner | But it should be named differently. |
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| 02:06.24 | KyuHTPC | ..... |
| 02:06.31 | KyuHTPC | I'm connecting through wifi |
| 02:06.46 | KyuHTPC | it does work |
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| 02:07.31 | rwhitby | zsoc: I'd expect to see codemonkies.net get a take-down notice for that .... |
| 02:07.33 | KyuHTPC | connected via mobile hotspot app |
| 02:07.51 | zsoc | rwhitby: it's been up forever... i never thought anything of it till you made the comment the other day |
| 02:07.54 | KyuHTPC | not USB or BT |
| 02:08.27 | destinal-wirc | kyu: from updated daemon or orig? |
| 02:08.46 | KyuHTPC | original daemon but I installed pmnetmanager |
| 02:09.36 | KyuHTPC | maybe that did it? |
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| 02:11.10 | rwhitby | zsoc: linux-only too |
| 02:11.20 | KyuHTPC | I was messing with freetether I dunno if that also helped |
| 02:11.36 | KyuHTPC | but connected via wifi right now via mobile hotspot app |
| 02:12.10 | spotter_ | I was going to get to testing pmnetmanager |
| 02:12.13 | Sk1tt1sh | hey that's neat. you can use the phone as a flashdrive and stay connected to ssh hehe |
| 02:12.13 | spotter_ | hadn't tested it yet |
| 02:12.18 | spotter_ | i can try it now |
| 02:12.30 | spotter_ | actually, probably wont |
| 02:13.00 | PullingJ | is 4g essentiallyreally just provider provided (haha funny) wifi hotspots? |
| 02:13.13 | KyuHTPC | spotter: your listing on the forum seemed like maybe that package had some basic ip forwarding/assigning stuff |
| 02:13.34 | KyuHTPC | which made me think it might be needed |
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| 02:17.20 | destinal-wirc | yeah you probably need pmnetmgr |
| 02:17.42 | Sk1tt1sh | where is controller_scene.js at? |
| 02:24.27 | zsoc | gettimeofday({1264040623, 921783}, NULL) = 0 .... --- SIGSEGV (Segmentation fault) @ 0 (0) --- <--- anyone experiencing gettimeofday causing segfaults?! |
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| 02:40.59 | Kyusaku | better set down the pre on the touchstone while hotspotting it |
| 02:42.09 | Sk1tt1sh | cries... cannot figure it out....... |
| 02:43.49 | PuffTheMagic | i get internet and cable tomorrow :D |
| 02:43.49 | PuffTheMagic | woot |
| 02:45.04 | LoneStar99 | got meta-doctor to work, i am back to stage one - have a perfectly working wifi in my house, but pre states "no internet connection" |
| 02:45.34 | KyuHTPC | Puff: I'm connected via mobilehotspot |
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| 02:46.22 | KyuHTPC | I installed the app and the pmnetmanager and it seems to work with the daemon in 1.3.5.1 |
| 02:48.38 | VincentLaw | can you access the internet though |
| 02:48.45 | Kyusaku | yeah |
| 02:48.56 | Kyusaku | whois KyuHTPC |
| 02:49.01 | Kyusaku | do a whois |
| 02:49.02 | VincentLaw | so you installed everything but the daemon itself |
| 02:49.05 | Kyusaku | rather |
| 02:49.08 | Kyusaku | sprint IP |
| 02:49.20 | Kyusaku | yeah |
| 02:49.30 | VincentLaw | I guess I can try it :p |
| 02:49.40 | Kyusaku | look at spotter's post showing the contents of pmnetmanager |
| 02:49.47 | Kyusaku | it's a bunch of iptables stuff |
| 02:50.00 | Kyusaku | probably to forward data |
| 02:50.37 | Kyusaku | KyuHTPC is my HTPC connected via my Pre on wireless |
| 02:50.43 | Kyusaku | this is my netbook |
| 02:50.55 | Kyusaku | on my regular wireless |
| 02:51.06 | Kyusaku | regular wifi* |
| 02:51.47 | VincentLaw | what was the command you used to install the ipkgs again? |
| 02:52.09 | Kyusaku | someone suggested that maybe the pmnetmanager stuff might already be in 1.3.5.1 but that might be outdated |
| 02:52.19 | Kyusaku | I just used webos quick install to be honest |
| 02:52.33 | VincentLaw | that'll work |
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| 03:01.56 | sslow | dbsooner: ping |
| 03:02.01 | dBsooner | cool |
| 03:02.04 | dBsooner | what do you want to name it? |
| 03:02.18 | LoneStar99 | if I get "app catalog" unavailable is that normal? |
| 03:02.36 | sslow | which one are we talking about? |
| 03:02.54 | VincentLaw | yay it does work now, you are awesome Kyusaku :p |
| 03:03.10 | VincentLaw | wait |
| 03:03.11 | VincentLaw | no |
| 03:03.13 | Kyusaku | haha someone would have figured it out evewntually |
| 03:03.13 | VincentLaw | wrong wifi >.> |
| 03:03.16 | Kyusaku | lol |
| 03:03.20 | Kyusaku | wth |
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| 03:03.52 | Kyusaku | I'm about to reboot the pre and test it again to make sure it works |
| 03:03.57 | dBsooner | sslow: the evdo to 4g |
| 03:04.08 | VincentLaw | yeah it doesnt work Kyusaku |
| 03:04.16 | VincentLaw | as a matter of fact my phone shows no data now |
| 03:04.17 | VincentLaw | >.> |
| 03:04.25 | Kyusaku | lol wth |
| 03:04.42 | sslow | dbsooner: not sure any ideas? |
| 03:05.04 | VincentLaw | yeah I think you just broke my data, Kyusaku |
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| 03:05.19 | Kyusaku | wth |
| 03:05.26 | Kyusaku | that's unpossible |
| 03:05.38 | sslow | dbsooner:I didnt want to submit it but had a lot of guys pushing for it |
| 03:05.43 | dBsooner | sslow: Replace EVDO with 4G Icon? |
| 03:05.47 | Kyusaku | Palm did, it's their package |
| 03:06.00 | VincentLaw | there, it came back when I cycled the phone services completely >.> |
| 03:06.03 | VincentLaw | now lets see what it does >.> |
| 03:06.06 | sslow | dbsooner: works for me...Thanks |
| 03:06.07 | Kyusaku | rebooting Pre |
| 03:06.13 | dBsooner | no problem |
| 03:06.32 | LoneStar99 | Kyusaku: how do you reboot the Pre? |
| 03:06.40 | dBsooner | grr.. why won't this work: find . -type d -exec 'chmod 775 {}' |
| 03:06.50 | dBsooner | "missing argument for exec" |
| 03:06.54 | Kyusaku | LoneStar99: Orange+Sym+R |
| 03:07.14 | LoneStar99 | Ok thanks will write it down |
| 03:07.27 | LoneStar99 | finally got this thing working! |
| 03:07.36 | Kyusaku | app catalog works? |
| 03:07.39 | VincentLaw | data seems to be cycling for some reason |
| 03:07.48 | LoneStar99 | nope, it says down |
| 03:07.49 | Kyusaku | Vincent: reboot? |
| 03:07.58 | VincentLaw | this is post-reboot |
| 03:08.20 | VincentLaw | but I shall reboot again >.> |
| 03:09.36 | bhern | dbSooner do you have the trailing \; |
| 03:09.41 | dBsooner | nope |
| 03:09.43 | dBsooner | fixed it |
| 03:10.00 | dBsooner | and i shouldn't enclose the entire thing in quotes, just the {} |
| 03:10.01 | dBsooner | :) |
| 03:10.02 | Kyusaku | hmmm not working after reboot, |
| 03:10.03 | dBsooner | thanks bhern |
| 03:10.11 | dBsooner | You still workin? |
| 03:10.15 | Kyusaku | lemme see if I did anything |
| 03:10.17 | bhern | i'm always working |
| 03:10.28 | dBsooner | I hear you there. |
| 03:10.38 | dBsooner | Adora was workin too.. she said she was hiding under a table? |
| 03:11.18 | VincentLaw | yeah Kyusaku, as soon as it connects, data dies |
| 03:11.49 | zsoc | HA. so I have a file called "-r" ... how do i rm it? :D |
| 03:12.07 | VincentLaw | put quotes around it |
| 03:12.11 | zsoc | o |
| 03:12.31 | zsoc | nope |
| 03:12.44 | Kyusaku | the data icon should disappear if you're "tethered" |
| 03:12.56 | Kyusaku | ok I know what's up |
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| 03:13.09 | Kyusaku | it doesn't fully work OTB |
| 03:13.14 | VincentLaw | ? |
| 03:13.22 | Kyusaku | I rebooted |
| 03:13.26 | VincentLaw | otb? |
| 03:13.27 | Kyusaku | and it wasn't working |
| 03:13.31 | dtzWill | zsoc: rm - "-r" |
| 03:13.34 | Kyusaku | otb=out of the box |
| 03:13.43 | zsoc | dtzWill: what's that extra - doing hanging out there? :) |
| 03:14.00 | Kyusaku | I had to turn on IP Forwarding in FreeTether |
| 03:14.06 | Kyusaku | and that does something |
| 03:14.07 | dtzWill | zsoc: or rm ./-r |
| 03:14.12 | Kyusaku | to get the mobile hotspot stuff working |
| 03:14.14 | dtzWill | zsoc: see 'man rm' :) |
| 03:14.20 | zsoc | oh that's too obvious |
| 03:14.24 | VincentLaw | ah |
| 03:14.25 | Kyusaku | or at least to pass the data |
| 03:14.27 | zsoc | i always stop thinking when i panic |
| 03:14.34 | VincentLaw | then I shall get freetether and test :p |
| 03:15.08 | VincentLaw | is freetether in preware? |
| 03:15.12 | Kyusaku | yeah when you get it just open it for a sec, turn on Ip Forwarding, close it then open Mobile Hotspot |
| 03:15.13 | VincentLaw | I don't recall seeing it |
| 03:15.21 | Kyusaku | it's on the testing feeds |
| 03:15.25 | VincentLaw | ah ok |
| 03:15.33 | Kyusaku | do you need a link |
| 03:15.44 | VincentLaw | nah I got the testing feed |
| 03:15.46 | VincentLaw | just had to turn it on |
| 03:15.46 | Kyusaku | ok |
| 03:16.06 | spotter_ | how does one get the testing feed? |
| 03:16.12 | spotter_ | Kyusaku, that's what I thought |
| 03:16.18 | christpunk01 | I don't know if it's just me but whenever I try to install an app from preware, it pulls up the App Cat to install but I get an error saying it's not a webOS app. |
| 03:16.19 | JMyaDaGod | how do u force pre to go into usb mode on startup? |
| 03:16.20 | spotter_ | think I mentioned the ip_forward thing above |
| 03:16.25 | spotter_ | need that and some iptables stuff |
| 03:16.53 | spotter_ | how does one get the testing feed in preware? |
| 03:17.15 | Kyusaku | bit.ly/testing-feed |
| 03:17.23 | VincentLaw | it asks you if you do the bootstrap method, I know that :p |
| 03:18.39 | VincentLaw | hey! yay! it works! |
| 03:18.40 | VincentLaw | wooo |
| 03:18.46 | spotter_ | so you add a conf file basically? |
| 03:18.55 | Kyusaku | hmm connection a little slow but then again the pre is like half a foot from a brickwall in a basement |
| 03:19.07 | Kyusaku | errl |
| 03:19.11 | Kyusaku | cement wall |
| 03:20.05 | Kyusaku | VincentLaw: awesome |
| 03:20.09 | Kyusaku | glad I could help |
| 03:20.19 | VincentLaw | now to give my poor phone a rest |
| 03:20.23 | VincentLaw | it's had a rough day |
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| 03:21.02 | Kyusaku | spotter: I guess |
| 03:21.14 | VincentLaw | been ssh'ed to death, blasted with half-working ipkgs, redoctored, ssh fixed, repatched, and blasted again with slightly better working ipkgs :D |
| 03:21.19 | LoneStar99 | anyone having problems accessing app catalog? |
| 03:21.48 | Kyusaku | have you tried accessing specific apps in the catalog |
| 03:22.12 | sslow | LoneStar99: no problem here |
| 03:23.00 | sslow | spotter_: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
| 03:23.03 | Kyusaku | you know the other day I was testing something for someone on the forum and noticed that the Sprint TV app can't be accessed over Wifi |
| 03:23.09 | LoneStar99 | first time using the pre, used meta-doctor |
| 03:24.26 | Kyusaku | LoneStar99 can you load this via the Pre http://developer.palm.com/appredirect/?packageid=com.palm.app.mobilehotspotupdatepre&applicationid=1278 |
| 03:25.22 | Rick-home | they haven't killed that yet? |
| 03:26.03 | spotter_ | and now I've updated my rss feeds so have no more reference to update |
| 03:26.13 | spotter_ | guess its good I got the url already :) |
| 03:26.52 | Kyusaku | I still have a reference, thank you google reader |
| 03:26.56 | Rick-home | christpunk01 you still here? |
| 03:26.57 | spotter_ | Kyusaku, probably ip based access |
| 03:26.59 | Kyusaku | =) |
| 03:27.07 | spotter_ | if it would work, then anyone could use it anytime |
| 03:27.20 | Kyusaku | spotter_: yeah I figured |
| 03:27.30 | spotter_ | this was an issue w/ mobitv in the past |
| 03:27.34 | spotter_ | there was no protection |
| 03:27.46 | christpunk01 | Rick-home: yes. |
| 03:28.29 | Rick-home | can you be somewhat more specific christpunk01 ? What app are you trying to load?, what version of preware do you have, what version of the package manager service do you have? |
| 03:28.45 | Rick-home | and what version of webos are you running and wht carrier??? |
| 03:28.55 | Kyusaku | Rick-home: yeah it's still in the catalog |
| 03:29.26 | Rick-home | Kyusaku I really thought the oompa-loompas would have re-jiggered that by now. :-) |
| 03:29.43 | LoneStar99 | can i setup a new palm profile? on the pre? |
| 03:29.48 | destinal-wirc | Rick-home: not sure they _can_ fix it without just pulling it out of catalog or giving it a new Id then distribute it |
| 03:30.14 | Kyusaku | Rick-home: I guess they don't have Verizon exclusive side of the app catalog implemented yet |
| 03:30.14 | destinal-wirc | anyone they sent old link to would need new |
| 03:31.14 | Kyusaku | LoneStar99: yeah just use the FIrstUse app |
| 03:31.16 | Rick-home | destinal-wirc no one should HAVE the old link except Verizon testers who know that they're testing. |
| 03:31.40 | Rick-home | that app shuld have had an ip range filter on it. |
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| 03:32.21 | spotter | hola from tethering w/ mobile hotspot and freether |
| 03:32.25 | Kyusaku | Rick-home: haha I think that's too hard to do at this point |
| 03:32.26 | Rick-home | not that that would have stopped us more than, what, 3 or 4 hours after Verizon started passing out Pre's. |
| 03:32.36 | Kyusaku | haha nice spotter |
| 03:32.42 | Kyusaku | good to see you got it working too |
| 03:32.47 | spotter | its just that mobile hotspot doesn't set up the ip forwarding I believe |
| 03:32.53 | Kyusaku | yeah |
| 03:32.53 | christpunk01 | rick-home: I have webOS 1.3.5.1 on Sprint. preware 0.9.18 and package mngr 0.9.34. trying to install basically anything not in Plam's Cat. network tools for instance |
| 03:32.58 | spotter | easy to work around |
| 03:33.00 | Kyusaku | that's the only thing |
| 03:33.02 | Kyusaku | yep |
| 03:33.06 | spotter | and nice app as it supports multiple clients |
| 03:33.06 | destinal-wirc | rick-home: I doubt ip range filtering is designed into the service |
| 03:33.20 | destinal-wirc | nontrivial to add after fact |
| 03:33.32 | spotter | anyways, back to ethernet I go |
| 03:33.33 | Rick-home | Kyusaku cs101 -- many of the app catalog programmers were clearly riding the short bus... there just WAS NOT sufficient thought that went into the app cat. |
| 03:33.57 | destinal-wirc | hehe |
| 03:34.29 | Rick-home | and at that point, I have to bite my tounge. further sayeth not. |
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| 03:35.19 | Kyusaku | Rick-home: when they launched EU apps hidden from US I just kept punching in share links to see what they had eventually I think they blocked US users from viewing them |
| 03:35.49 | destinal-wirc | yeah they block by country |
| 03:35.55 | destinal-wirc | all your fault |
| 03:36.02 | Kyusaku | all you need is appid number, doesn't matter the name |
| 03:36.07 | Kyusaku | hahaha |
| 03:37.05 | spotter_ | so when are we getting our front page story on precentral? |
| 03:37.20 | Rick-home | Kyusaku and by golly THAT was brillient too wasn't it. That all you need is the app id... so that the catalog is discoverable by incrementing.... |
| 03:37.59 | Kyusaku | Rick-home: extremely, especially when there were only several hundred apps |
| 03:38.34 | Rick-home | but Kyusaku it's not that hard to write a javascript app to do the incrementing and to log the results into a folder in /media/internal using the download service. |
| 03:38.51 | Rick-home | basically, you can auto-download everything |
| 03:38.56 | Kyusaku | true, simple bot |
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| 03:39.32 | spotter_ | wait? you can download any app? |
| 03:39.34 | Rick-home | and I -think- that with sufficent thinking, I can spoof the header browserid and do that from a desktop that is connected THROUGH the pre.... |
| 03:39.41 | spotter_ | what about ones that cost ? |
| 03:39.56 | Rick-home | no spotter_ they plugged that hold about 4 months ago when one of the webos-internals team found it for them. |
| 03:40.07 | Kyusaku | we're not really discussing that |
| 03:40.12 | Rick-home | no |
| 03:40.13 | spotter_ | that was the hole where you could install an app w/ the same name |
| 03:40.14 | spotter_ | right? |
| 03:40.24 | Rick-home | we're REALLY not discussing that. |
| 03:40.29 | spotter_ | ok |
| 03:40.36 | spotter_ | that hole is fixed as far as I can tell |
| 03:40.44 | destinal-wirc | hehe, so you guys are all doing free security research? :P |
| 03:40.48 | Kyusaku | we're talking about cataloging the whole catalog even the country exclusive apps |
| 03:40.49 | spotter_ | still have old apps from homebrew that made the jump |
| 03:40.52 | Rick-home | if you want to discuss security issues, there are places where the security weinies hang out. |
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| 03:40.53 | spotter_ | and they ant to update and cant |
| 03:40.54 | LoneStar99 | can I change the profile on my Pre??? |
| 03:41.41 | Rick-home | spotter_ REALLY not discussing that. |
| 03:42.04 | spotter_ | ok |
| 03:42.22 | diov6 | LoneStar99: use a patch in preware called show first use app and run it |
| 03:42.37 | diov6 | then launch first use app |
| 03:43.04 | LoneStar99 | diov6: installed meta-doctor and it was suppose to appear... |
| 03:43.22 | LoneStar99 | is there a command to make it appear? |
| 03:43.55 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 if you edited the meta make and re-doctored and didn't see it, just run the patch in preware Show first use app |
| 03:44.12 | diov6 | lol is what im saying |
| 03:45.14 | LoneStar99 | damn... this is the never ending pre setup.... |
| 03:45.38 | zsoc | Why is webos GDB broken? |
| 03:45.46 | Kyusaku | or |
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| 03:46.16 | Kyusaku | he could just edit the appinfo.json |
| 03:46.19 | LoneStar99 | been at this for about 24hours + |
| 03:46.20 | Kyusaku | for first use |
| 03:47.40 | LoneStar99 | Rick-home: where can I find the direct link to download and install preware |
| 03:48.31 | Kyusaku | just go to /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.firstuse/appinfo.json |
| 03:48.41 | Kyusaku | and change visible to true |
| 03:48.51 | Kyusaku | you can edit it in vi |
| 03:49.09 | Kyusaku | or whatever |
| 03:49.49 | Kyusaku | no need to load and install preware for a simple patch that changes 1 line |
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| 03:52.29 | LoneStar99 | there is no command like "webos20090606" for dev mode? |
| 03:52.37 | LoneStar99 | sorry first use |
| 03:53.17 | Kyusaku | not that I know of |
| 03:53.29 | dBsooner | rwhitby: Retweet if you get to it. :) |
| 03:53.29 | Rick-home | no there is not |
| 03:53.38 | LoneStar99 | "WebOS Quick Install" how the heck do I do that? |
| 03:54.14 | Kyusaku | if you can meta-doctor you should have the tools to just novaterm into the pre |
| 03:54.24 | Kyusaku | and edit that line |
| 03:55.32 | Kyusaku | just have developer mode on, run novaterm, cd into that dir, make file system writeable, vi the appinfo.json and change visible to true |
| 03:57.44 | LoneStar99 | sounds good, but i am on my last wind, with this... have had to, download 2 differernt Ubuntus, file sharing did not work, installed 3 different meta-doctors,etc... |
| 04:03.15 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 sorry that this is so hard. |
| 04:03.34 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 do you have terminal access to your pre? Do you have terminal on it, or novaterm. |
| 04:03.42 | Rick-home | ??? |
| 04:03.50 | Rick-home | did you install the sdk somewhere? |
| 04:04.07 | Rick-home | because we can do this in about 90 seconds. |
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| 04:05.37 | LoneStar99 | yeah have the |
| 04:05.43 | LoneStar99 | sdk on windows 7 |
| 04:06.03 | LoneStar99 | no terminal on pre... |
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| 04:07.26 | Kyusaku | he should have novaterm if he doctored |
| 04:07.57 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 windows 7 32 bit or 64 bit? |
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| 04:08.02 | LoneStar99 | h64bit |
| 04:08.06 | LoneStar99 | 64bit |
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| 04:08.38 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 download http://vocshop.com/stuff/novaterm64.zip |
| 04:08.41 | Rick-home | which is VERY SMALL |
| 04:08.43 | LoneStar99 | how do I know if novaterm is on the pred? |
| 04:09.13 | Rick-home | the pre communicates with your desktop via the novacom protocal. Novaterm is a terminal program that runs on the desktop that talks to the pre. |
| 04:09.27 | Rick-home | unzip that zip into /program files/palm/sdk/bin |
| 04:09.31 | Rick-home | and run the novaterm.exe |
| 04:09.37 | Rick-home | press connect |
| 04:09.52 | Rick-home | a black window will open up with green letters which say root@webos-device |
| 04:10.04 | Rick-home | at that point you are running a terminal logged into the pre as root. |
| 04:10.37 | Rick-home | tell me when you get that far. |
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| 04:10.59 | edektor | is there a way to start a service via command line |
| 04:11.30 | LoneStar99 | do i connect my pre via usb before pressing "novaterm.exe"? |
| 04:11.44 | Rick-home | yes please |
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| 04:12.44 | LoneStar99 | ok connected |
| 04:12.54 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 cd /tmp |
| 04:13.09 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 wget http://bit.ly/preware-bootstrap |
| 04:13.10 | edektor | because the pubsubservice is not running on my Emulator |
| 04:13.27 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 sh preware-bootstrap |
| 04:13.38 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 that will install preware on your pre. |
| 04:13.42 | Rick-home | 3 lines. |
| 04:13.53 | Rick-home | PLUS you now know how to log in as root!!! |
| 04:14.24 | Rick-home | edektor is that continuing an earlier discussion??? |
| 04:14.37 | edektor | yeah |
| 04:14.50 | Rick-home | edektor you can certainly start it by simply running it. |
| 04:15.00 | edektor | how? |
| 04:15.00 | Rick-home | from terminal or novaterm |
| 04:15.05 | edektor | either |
| 04:15.11 | Rick-home | find the executable, type the command |
| 04:15.47 | Rick-home | finds it ironic that he is giving instructions on running linux services... |
| 04:16.22 | LoneStar99 | "would you like to include any alpha Preware..."? |
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| 04:17.13 | edektor | where are the service exec's located |
| 04:17.15 | egaudet | LoneStar99, Y if you want to install the alpha testing versions of preware/ipkgservice, no if you want the released public versions |
| 04:17.17 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 you will have to decide... do you want to see the preware alpha testing feed? |
| 04:17.30 | Rick-home | edektor they can be anywhere. |
| 04:17.46 | edektor | where are the palm ones.. |
| 04:17.54 | edektor | or specifically the pubsubservice |
| 04:18.07 | LoneStar99 | it says"Setup Complete" |
| 04:18.22 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 you should now have preware in your launcher. |
| 04:18.40 | Rick-home | edektor use find |
| 04:18.56 | edektor | Thats what I did |
| 04:19.12 | LoneStar99 | ok see preware |
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| 04:19.27 | zsoc | Rick-home: what in the world are you doing? |
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| 04:19.38 | cryptk|work | sup webos people |
| 04:19.57 | LoneStar99 | loading "package infromation" |
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| 04:21.58 | edektor | here is the error from ./pubsubservice http://pastie.org/787704 |
| 04:22.12 | LoneStar99 | Rick-home: thank for helping with this... has been the rigging from hell |
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| 04:24.00 | christpunk01 | Rick-Home: I lost connection for a while. I was hoping you can still help me. the problem is I can't load programs (network tools for instance) from PreWare that aren't on Palm App Cat. App Cat says "This is not a valid webOS application". I am running webOS 1.3.5.1 on Sprint. PreWare 0.9.18 and Pack MNGR 0.9.34. |
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| 04:26.56 | egaudet | alright.... moment of truth |
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| 04:28.10 | zsoc | egaudet: i do not envy you |
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| 04:28.36 | christpunk01 | I installed the "Mobile Hotspot". I'm on Sprint though and I keep getting "Sharing an Internet connection requires an addition to your mobile service plan." Do I really need to contact Sprint or is there a work around? |
| 04:30.10 | egaudet | find / -name \*.orig.... PASSED |
| 04:31.25 | egaudet | cat /usr/lib/ipkg/info/*.md5sums > /tmp/md5sums && md5sum -c /tmp/md5sums |grep -v OK ...... FAILLLLLLLLL suck an egg! |
| 04:34.22 | egaudet | 7 failed checksums |
| 04:35.16 | egaudet | 135 patches, an OTA, a migration, a botched weird ipkg data update, a hackaround fix to get 1.3.1 ipkg data back, an update all, a reboot, an EPR 2.0 and 7 files left straggling... close but no cigar! |
| 04:35.41 | LoneStar99 | messing with pre-ware how do i go back to the prevoius scene? |
| 04:36.12 | psykoz | back gesture just like every other app |
| 04:38.00 | Rick-home | christpunk01 regarding the mobile hot spot -- expect patched binaries eventually. But basically, if you installed the one using the palm share link, then you have a version that is Verizon only. |
| 04:38.58 | LoneStar99 | psykoz: back gesture - "draging fingers to the left of screen"? |
| 04:38.58 | christpunk01 | Rick-Home: thanks. so there is no Sprint version then? oh well, it was a nice thought then. |
| 04:39.01 | Rick-home | christpunk01 regarding installing non app cat preware apps, Do me a favor, let's try something very simple. Please try to install chess -- the rboatright version, not the app catalog one. |
| 04:39.20 | christpunk01 | on it |
| 04:39.36 | Rick-home | it's in the precentral feed. |
| 04:40.30 | christpunk01 | Gotta wait for it to load. Takes a while, for me at least. |
| 04:42.29 | egaudet | :( lsdiff fail |
| 04:43.00 | LoneStar99 | Rick-home: where in preware can i find the first use app? |
| 04:43.11 | christpunk01 | ok. that installed. but it didn't do like the other ones. this one just installed straight through preware. other ones are trying to open up App Cat and install it from there. so could it be not on my end but the dev? |
| 04:43.25 | egaudet | dBsooner, PING |
| 04:43.43 | christpunk01 | lonestar99: patches -> app launcher |
| 04:46.44 | destinal-wirc | lonestar99: first use app comes on your pre |
| 04:46.51 | destinal-wirc | it's just hidden |
| 04:47.40 | LoneStar99 | destinal-wirc: how do I launch it, the preware "first use app" failed with an exception error |
| 04:48.04 | destinal-wirc | eh |
| 04:48.26 | destinal-wirc | there is no preware first use app |
| 04:48.38 | destinal-wirc | first use is a palm app |
| 04:48.58 | christpunk01 | destinal-wirc: he's talking bout the patch that shows it |
| 04:49.06 | destinal-wirc | now there may be a preware patch to unhide it |
| 04:49.14 | LoneStar99 | yeah, the patch failed... |
| 04:49.39 | christpunk01 | huh... odd. I just installed it. said installed fine but I can't find the app |
| 04:49.40 | destinal-wirc | you can edit the appinfo.json |
| 04:50.10 | destinal-wirc | christpunk01: you probably need to rescan or reboot |
| 04:50.15 | Rick-home | christpunk01 name something you're trying to install. |
| 04:50.28 | Rick-home | besides chess. |
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| 04:50.41 | christpunk01 | dest: good call |
| 04:50.43 | LoneStar99 | weird, got a an exception error, but i just launced the first use screen |
| 04:50.54 | Rick-home | yippee LoneStar99 |
| 04:50.56 | edektor | christpunk01: where did you find mobile hot spot |
| 04:51.21 | Rick-home | edektor read the logs for this channel. The link is in the back log |
| 04:51.29 | edektor | will do |
| 04:51.32 | christpunk01 | i found it on here. someone posted a link. i'm sorry, don't have it anymore. was on my pre and it's restarted bout 4 times since |
| 04:51.59 | acydlord | is your pre running gentoo or something? |
| 04:52.10 | christpunk01 | Rick-Home: network tool by reliablesite.net llc |
| 04:52.22 | destinal-wirc | LoneStar99: try to edit appinfo.json in /usr/palm/applications/com.palm.app.firstuse |
| 04:52.42 | destinal-wirc | change "hidden" to false |
| 04:53.05 | destinal-wirc | then reboot or rescan if you know how |
| 04:53.41 | Rick-home | christpunk01 that is an app catalog app |
| 04:53.58 | LoneStar99 | oh nice "Profile Creation Failed" We were unable to create the profile... |
| 04:54.19 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 because you're not on a cell phone network. |
| 04:54.20 | christpunk01 | odd... could that be why it's freaking out when i use preware instead? maybe that's just the problem. odd that i get that error though. |
| 04:54.47 | Rick-home | christpunk01 if you attempt to install an app catalog app from preware, it launches the app catalog to attempt to install it. |
| 04:55.06 | Rick-home | if you find that confusing, go to the application menu, and go to manage feeds, and TURN OFF the palm feeds. |
| 04:55.13 | LoneStar99 | Rick-home: i just want to be able to access the app catalog, etc... |
| 04:55.28 | r_e | hey not sure if anyone can help me, but does anyone know how to enable access over evdo on lighty web server? thanks |
| 04:55.59 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 I understand. |
| 04:55.59 | christpunk01 | As it tried to do, but it says it's invalid. I'm through the actual App Cat and I don't see it. could it be a country barrier? |
| 04:55.59 | Rick-home | christpunk01 where are you? |
| 04:55.59 | christpunk01 | USA |
| 04:56.13 | LoneStar99 | Rick-home: so without a valid profile, I can not see the app store? |
| 04:56.20 | zsoc|away | r_e: don't use port 80, for one :) |
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| 04:58.53 | r_e | I read in the forum to edit etc/event.d/mobi.optware |
| 04:59.01 | dBsooner | oh lord.. egaudet said "lsdiff fail" |
| 04:59.13 | dBsooner | is no longer involved with AUPT or it's future. As it will NEVER be right. |
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| 04:59.22 | egaudet | lol |
| 04:59.44 | egaudet | i have one task for you dBsooner patch submission portal sensai |
| 04:59.55 | dBsooner | aye? |
| 05:01.19 | LoneStar99 | is there another alternative to viewing the app catalog? |
| 05:01.36 | Rick-home | viewing it? Sure!!! Use preware. |
| 05:01.49 | Rick-home | downloading and installing? Not so much. |
| 05:02.21 | Rick-home | also you can VIEW the app catalog at http://projectappetite.com/ or on precentral, or at webosschools.com |
| 05:02.32 | Rick-home | LoneStar99 see pm |
| 05:02.44 | dBsooner | egaudet: I'm waiting..... |
| 05:03.06 | egaudet | well here's the (hopefully final) hangup to AUPT |
| 05:03.23 | egaudet | lsdiff uses the original filename (the one with --- in patch header) |
| 05:03.47 | dBsooner | yes? |
| 05:03.57 | dBsooner | where befoer --- didn't matter |
| 05:04.01 | egaudet | we have at least one patch (and I beieve a couple others) that have a bogus original filename |
| 05:04.10 | egaudet | i.e. /tmp/month-assistant.js |
| 05:04.20 | LoneStar99 | Rick-home: can someone with an active account make a palm profile then they first use the phone and change the profile back to the original? |
| 05:04.26 | egaudet | this means that lsdiff can't get the correct filename to backup |
| 05:04.28 | dBsooner | yea, probably the ones created using jason's diff magic |
| 05:04.41 | egaudet | nope jason's diff creator generates correct headers |
| 05:04.52 | dBsooner | only if the user specifies the proper headers |
| 05:04.59 | egaudet | these small number of patches are due to others manually using diff most likely |
| 05:05.06 | dBsooner | OK. |
| 05:05.11 | dBsooner | so what are you proposing? |
| 05:05.12 | dBsooner | :D |
| 05:06.16 | r_e | so I read in the forum that you edit etc/event.d/mobi.optware.lighttypd to get access on evdo, and there are instructions commented in that file, but the event.d folder is read-only. can anyone help me account for this? |
| 05:06.54 | r_e | I can't modify the file |
| 05:08.12 | destinal-wirc | remount readwrite |
| 05:08.22 | destinal-wirc | the rootfs |
| 05:08.32 | egaudet | I'm talking with jason to see if there's any good reasons to NOT discard the comments in top of submitted .patch files. If we don't care about the comments, I propse your submission portal takes the patch, applies it to doctor, regenerates patch with correct headers (i.e. git diff ;) ) |
| 05:09.01 | destinal-wirc | correct is good |
| 05:09.52 | destinal-wirc | what is this other patch format not made by diff? |
| 05:10.00 | dBsooner | egaudet: One SLIGHT problem with that. |
| 05:10.31 | egaudet | I disagree with whatever problem you have ahead of time! :P |
| 05:10.34 | dBsooner | egaudet: Not ALL files are in the doctor. |
| 05:10.46 | dBsooner | egaudet: Namingly the carrier specific files. |
| 05:10.59 | egaudet | destinal-wirc, there isn't anything that says what the original file and new file locations have to be |
| 05:11.00 | dBsooner | Otherwise, cake. |
| 05:11.16 | egaudet | so you can do diff /tmp/blah /usr/palm/applications/blah and lsdiff with return /tmp/blah as being patched |
| 05:11.50 | dBsooner | woot.. added a smidge to the portal. |
| 05:11.52 | dBsooner | "Displaying 204 Patches" |
| 05:11.53 | christpunk01 | is there a way to add feeds to preware? I remember seeing an input area for it on older versions but not on the new |
| 05:12.35 | dBsooner | christpunk01: /media/cryptofs/apps/etc/ipkg/ |
| 05:12.43 | dBsooner | add your *.conf file there |
| 05:13.08 | egaudet | ok so dBsooner couple things here |
| 05:13.15 | dBsooner | MK |
| 05:13.22 | dBsooner | 1) not gonna happen |
| 05:13.24 | egaudet | A) your problem is valid, let's discuss that in a moment |
| 05:13.26 | christpunk01 | ok cool. so gotta do it from the console then? guess i'll wait till I can use my computer rather than the phone |
| 05:13.29 | dBsooner | 2) definately not going to happen. |
| 05:13.43 | egaudet | B) make sure your machine has a current version of git that supports -b in git diff |
| 05:14.08 | dBsooner | machine = my server? |
| 05:14.09 | egaudet | C) to generate patch it's: apply patch, git add ., git diff -b --cached > my.patch |
| 05:14.12 | egaudet | yea |
| 05:14.38 | egaudet | NOTE: that some earlier versions of git (like the default that comes with ubuntu) has a broken version of git diff -b |
| 05:14.46 | dBsooner | [dbsooner@deluge ~]$ git --version |
| 05:14.46 | dBsooner | git version 1.5.5.6 |
| 05:14.57 | egaudet | git version 1.6.4.4 |
| 05:15.01 | dBsooner | pfft |
| 05:15.09 | egaudet | I went straight to source :P |
| 05:15.25 | dBsooner | thinks of how to pull this off |
| 05:15.44 | destinal-wirc | I so wish I understood what you guys were solving |
| 05:16.09 | destinal-wirc | only two beers so I think it's more lack of context |
| 05:16.43 | destinal-wirc | did jason do something? |
| 05:16.49 | dBsooner | need to find an rpm for newest git version |
| 05:17.22 | Rick-home | bed. |
| 05:17.25 | Rick-home | night all |
| 05:17.36 | destinal-wirc | night randy |
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| 05:17.44 | JayCanuck | destinal-wirc, what'd I do now? lol |
| 05:17.45 | destinal-wirc | :P |
| 05:18.15 | destinal-wirc | JayCanuck: I wish I knew! |
| 05:18.17 | destinal-wirc | :) |
| 05:18.21 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 05:18.37 | destinal-wirc | something about weird patches? |
| 05:18.46 | destinal-wirc | dunno |
| 05:19.00 | JayCanuck | lol, UnifiedDiffCreator is fine ;) |
| 05:19.25 | destinal-wirc | oh, is this your not diff diff? |
| 05:20.24 | JayCanuck | psst, http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9934/romcooker.jpg |
| 05:20.27 | JayCanuck | :p |
| 05:20.38 | JayCanuck | semi-secret project of mine |
| 05:20.46 | Rick-home | wow |
| 05:21.37 | destinal-wirc | whoa |
| 05:21.43 | destinal-wirc | we're cooking |
| 05:22.07 | JayCanuck | c'mon, who couldn't fall head over heals in love with a penguin chef |
| 05:22.12 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 05:22.50 | egaudet | dBsooner, rpm? |
| 05:23.05 | egaudet | use the source and configure && make && make install :p |
| 05:23.09 | dBsooner | egaudet: yeah, i'll just install from source.. by my server really doesn't like it |
| 05:23.20 | egaudet | tell your server who is boss |
| 05:23.26 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 05:24.20 | egaudet | is that the multi-platform meta doc ? :P |
| 05:24.22 | cryptk|work | JayCanuck: I was just asking for something like that the other day! |
| 05:24.35 | JayCanuck | yep egaudet |
| 05:24.44 | egaudet | looking nice :) |
| 05:24.54 | dBsooner | btw.. it's 1.6.6.1 now |
| 05:25.05 | JayCanuck | though no code used from metadoctor; different means to the same result |
| 05:25.13 | cryptk|work | something to pre-apply patches... I set up alot of pre's for friends, being able to doctor them and be done would be great. (well, doctor them, and install preware and a theme) |
| 05:25.20 | egaudet | dBsooner, that's the latest stable release? |
| 05:25.37 | dBsooner | shrug.. that's the latest in the scm/git dir |
| 05:25.41 | dBsooner | http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/ |
| 05:26.08 | egaudet | destinal-wirc, btw we're solving the case where patch creator puts his original file in a different path like /tmp/ |
| 05:26.13 | dBsooner | 1.6.6 went through rc1, rc2, rc3 and rc4 then final |
| 05:26.18 | cryptk|work | JayCanuck: you going to have a beta program for that? |
| 05:27.03 | egaudet | and then lsdiff tries to backup non-existent file at that -wrong- file path |
| 05:27.10 | JayCanuck | cryptk|work, yea, eventually. Need to finish up WOSQI v3.0 and Internalz v1.0 |
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| 05:28.31 | cryptk|work | JayCanuck: if you need anyone to beta any of that stuff, feel free to ask me. I am always testing bleeding edge stuff (both for pre and other projects... like mangler) |
| 05:28.38 | Rick-home | JayCanuck -- what wonders do you expect in wosqi 3? |
| 05:28.43 | cryptk|work | that and I am good at making things break (good quality in a beta guy) |
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| 05:29.19 | destinal-wirc | wosqi should unofficially be pronounced like "whiskey" |
| 05:29.29 | destinal-wirc | maybe "whoskey" |
| 05:29.33 | egaudet | http://git-scm.com/download |
| 05:29.52 | JayCanuck | AUPT-compatibility, new theming format, MANY bug fixes (both serious and minor), patch updating, and a built-in wosqi update checker |
| 05:30.08 | cryptk|work | also, JayCanuck I have been meaning to ask you... since wosqi and wosrepair both need the doctor file, why not just integrate the repair utility into wosqi (perhaps in the tools menu) |
| 05:30.16 | egaudet | dBsooner, yup latest stable is 1.6.6.1 |
| 05:30.26 | JayCanuck | cryptk|work :p |
| 05:30.27 | dBsooner | k |
| 05:30.42 | destinal-wirc | JayCanuck: are you open source yet? |
| 05:30.49 | destinal-wirc | err is WOSQI? |
| 05:31.06 | JayCanuck | destinal-wirc, nope, probably will never be |
| 05:31.07 | cryptk|work | I mean, it makes sense, pretty much everyone that does homebrew has 3 things... wosqi, wosrepair and preware |
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| 05:32.02 | destinal-wirc | JayCanuck: you enjoy proprietarily enslaving those bits I see... :) |
| 05:32.13 | JayCanuck | hey hey |
| 05:32.34 | JayCanuck | WebOS Theme Builder, Unified Diff Creator, jpkg-webos, SysToolsMgr Service, webOSDoctor URL Generator, and all my patches are open source |
| 05:32.56 | destinal-wirc | seriously, it's ok, license is up to author |
| 05:33.02 | dBsooner | should I uninstall the old RPM first? |
| 05:33.25 | cryptk|work | haha, careful... I hear they have wolverines in Canada... those things are vicious... you don't wanan find one in your house destinal-wirc, LOL |
| 05:33.28 | destinal-wirc | just giving you a hard time |
| 05:33.49 | cryptk|work | brb, mandatory break time |
| 05:34.12 | egaudet | dBsooner, yeah |
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| 05:34.45 | JayCanuck | destinal-wirc, let's put it this way, you aren't the first to criticize me for me license choices without looking at how much opensource stuff I've done, heh |
| 05:35.27 | egaudet | JayCanuck, so WOSQI is closed source eh... l |
| 05:35.39 | egaudet | hehe |
| 05:35.40 | egaudet | runs |
| 05:35.44 | JayCanuck | lol |
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| 05:36.40 | destinal-wirc | well, I think wosqi is probably most popular. If you've got some kind of reason, whatever it is, to restrict user freedom on that, it's cool |
| 05:36.53 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 05:36.56 | destinal-wirc | still going to joke about it |
| 05:37.42 | destinal-wirc | :) |
| 05:37.45 | JayCanuck | changing topic, my ArchiveMgr service is working :D |
| 05:37.53 | VincentLaw | wazzat |
| 05:38.07 | JayCanuck | multithreaded unrar, unzip, untar, unjar service :) |
| 05:38.13 | VincentLaw | ohisee |
| 05:38.27 | destinal-wirc | ughft |
| 05:38.28 | JayCanuck | now I just gotta build a gui, lol |
| 05:38.38 | destinal-wirc | but .. why? |
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| 05:38.54 | VincentLaw | most useful thing ever though was the flashlight in system menu patch + service :p |
| 05:38.59 | JayCanuck | lol, a standalong archive extraction app, as well as future Internalz integration |
| 05:39.03 | destinal-wirc | I keep saying this, services should be specific not generic |
| 05:39.27 | dBsooner | [dbeames@deluge git-1.6.6.1]$ /usr/bin/git --version |
| 05:39.27 | dBsooner | git version 1.6.6.1 |
| 05:39.29 | JayCanuck | the service is pretty specific, archive stuff only :p |
| 05:39.32 | destinal-wirc | you people totally distort pams brilliant model |
| 05:39.35 | destinal-wirc | :P |
| 05:39.37 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 05:39.43 | destinal-wirc | palms |
| 05:40.00 | JayCanuck | oh Pam, she quite the thinker :p |
| 05:40.07 | FuMan | For the love of God |
| 05:40.07 | VincentLaw | I have this service called luna. it's really good, does all sorts of stuff! it's not generic! :p |
| 05:40.15 | FuMan | you really can't set a default contact number on this phone, can you. |
| 05:40.18 | dBsooner | OK.. egaudet.. Git is up to date. But we still have the problem of the doctor not containing all the files. |
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| 05:40.26 | egaudet | calendar-all-day-events-month-view |
| 05:40.27 | egaudet | email-actual-words-instead-of-icons.patch |
| 05:40.27 | egaudet | messaging-character-counter |
| 05:40.29 | jacques | I just don't get the popularity of flashlight |
| 05:40.32 | VincentLaw | FuMan: what do you mean by default contact number? |
| 05:40.36 | jacques | but maybe it's just me |
| 05:40.47 | destinal-wirc | luna isn't a service,vl |
| 05:40.53 | FuMan | jacques: i live and die by flashlight, and having it in the menu is deluxe |
| 05:40.55 | VincentLaw | it's a super-bright LED flashlight that's always there, jacques. |
| 05:41.06 | VincentLaw | destinal-wirc: nitpick >.> |
| 05:41.24 | destinal-wirc | it can save your life if you're trapped under earthquake debris |
| 05:41.27 | FuMan | VincentLaw: like when i type Vtsai in Universal search, I want his MOBILE NUMBER to be the one that is called when I hit return. |
| 05:41.31 | JayCanuck | pfft, FuMan, try LED Torch :p |
| 05:41.31 | FuMan | and instead, its his work |
| 05:41.39 | destinal-wirc | see iphone guy I posted about earlier |
| 05:41.44 | FuMan | my brother, its his home number |
| 05:41.51 | FuMan | for everyone, its totally random, and i can't figure it out |
| 05:42.00 | FuMan | but its requiring me to click the screen to make a call, and that bothers me |
| 05:42.18 | FuMan | JayCanuck: i have that installed as well...but that device menu megamix with the flashlight on it is super duper handy. |
| 05:42.20 | dBsooner | Did you know there are over 200 patches for 1.3.5? |
| 05:42.42 | destinal-wirc | JayCanuck: specific, return an email from my mailbox. generic, load random file |
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| 05:42.53 | JayCanuck | FuMan, yea, that's my work as well. I have the Device Menu Remix with Flashlight myself :) |
| 05:42.57 | destinal-wirc | the former is what services are about |
| 05:42.57 | egaudet | dBsooner, so those 3 I listed above are the only bad header ones I could find (from 1.3.1 branch) |
| 05:43.03 | VincentLaw | FuMan: it appears in the order you entered it in the contact |
| 05:43.10 | egaudet | they are the culprits that ruined my EPR :P |
| 05:43.14 | FuMan | my D it does. |
| 05:43.22 | FuMan | i can wipe the contact |
| 05:43.27 | FuMan | retype it 595948058435 ways |
| 05:43.36 | FuMan | and i can't for the LIFE of me, make it consistent as to what it picks |
| 05:43.37 | dBsooner | i'll fix them manually. :) |
| 05:43.54 | egaudet | dBsooner, regarding carrier packages: the 2 solutions are 1) fail automation, require manual "verification" of header or 2) extract the carrier ipk's from the various doctors and use them for regen |
| 05:43.56 | destinal-wirc | browsing filesystems and opening archives are not services |
| 05:44.00 | FuMan | I'm pretty sure migrating all of my contacts to google made it much worse, but Palm burned me, and I'm done playing that game. |
| 05:44.08 | JayCanuck | destinal-wirc lol, extracting files from archives of specific types is specifoc enough for me :p |
| 05:44.15 | dBsooner | egaudet: I like option 2, but dang that's tedious. |
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| 05:44.28 | dBsooner | Maybe JayCanuck has a java solution for us in that regards.... |
| 05:44.30 | destinal-wirc | it gives too much to mojo |
| 05:44.55 | FuMan | VincentLaw: are you saying the first number i ever type under a contact, should always be their primary? |
| 05:44.56 | spotter | JayCanuck, you got my mail? |
| 05:44.56 | JayCanuck | for what dBsooner? |
| 05:44.59 | destinal-wirc | mojo apps should ask for specific info from a black box, it messes with system stuff |
| 05:45.04 | JayCanuck | yep spottr :) |
| 05:45.20 | dBsooner | JayCanuck: building a FULL doctor userspace. |
| 05:45.28 | destinal-wirc | JayCanuck: you're ruining everything! ;) |
| 05:45.29 | dBsooner | JayCanuck: with ALL the carrier files. |
| 05:45.33 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 05:46.22 | JayCanuck | dBsooner, wouldn't that require automatically downloading updated webosdoctors as they become available? |
| 05:46.32 | dBsooner | yes |
| 05:46.46 | dBsooner | but I have to do that anyway. |
| 05:46.47 | dBsooner | ;) |
| 05:46.50 | JayCanuck | my webOSDoctor URL Generator works in that regard, but it still need release date |
| 05:47.04 | egaudet | dBsooner, carrier package patches are rare, I say just use manual verification |
| 05:47.07 | JayCanuck | http://code.google.com/p/webosdoctor-url-generator/ |
| 05:47.25 | egaudet | 2 rare events need to collide. 1) carrier package patch + 2) bad patch header (we only have 3 out of 200 patches) |
| 05:48.28 | dBsooner | well instead of writing in an auto generation of a new patch file, I'll just pay attention to the headers. ;) |
| 05:48.40 | dBsooner | but auto-generation would be easy. |
| 05:50.31 | egaudet | auto-generation is less error prone |
| 05:50.41 | egaudet | this is a BAD failure point |
| 05:50.44 | cryptk|work | JayCanuck: is there a reason why internals has an open option, yet I can't get it to actually open anything? |
| 05:50.56 | dBsooner | sigh |
| 05:50.57 | dBsooner | fine |
| 05:51.02 | egaudet | this means EPR leaves you with required trip to either repair utility or doctor |
| 05:51.09 | JayCanuck | cryptk|work, yep |
| 05:51.22 | cryptk|work | JayCanuck: planning for future integration I take it? |
| 05:51.29 | VincentLaw | it's to annoy you |
| 05:51.29 | JayCanuck | Open will open file will default file handler for that foile's extension |
| 05:51.36 | egaudet | dBsooner, and I think I just talked myself into extracting the carrier ipk's :P |
| 05:52.13 | cryptk|work | JayCanuck: what about files with no extension? If they have the executable bit set could we have them open in terminal somehow? |
| 05:52.22 | JayCanuck | nah |
| 05:52.27 | JayCanuck | security vulverability |
| 05:52.35 | JayCanuck | *vulnerability |
| 05:52.47 | dBsooner | egaudet: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/webos-patches/ |
| 05:52.50 | dBsooner | add a ticket. |
| 05:52.53 | dBsooner | no ticket = no work. :) |
| 05:52.57 | cryptk|work | JayCanuck: even if you added in a popup for them stating "this could pose a security risk, are you sure?" |
| 05:53.07 | dBsooner | Category would be "Admin Backend" |
| 05:53.08 | JayCanuck | yea |
| 05:53.10 | egaudet | dBsooner, no work = no aupt |
| 05:53.12 | egaudet | :P |
| 05:53.15 | dBsooner | shrug |
| 05:53.19 | dBsooner | sucks for you. :) |
| 05:53.32 | LoneStar99 | can i see the current profiile in my phone? |
| 05:53.32 | dBsooner | really, I'll forget it you don't add the ticket. :) |
| 05:53.38 | egaudet | pfft forgeting about patches forever would not suck for me :P |
| 05:53.45 | dBsooner | Me either. |
| 05:53.46 | egaudet | adding ticket now bt |
| 05:53.47 | egaudet | btw* |
| 05:53.55 | destinal-wirc | JayCanuck: it's possible to do secure informed consent with a callback but kind of a pain to implement, see preware |
| 05:54.13 | destinal-wirc | we should just all go SDL :) |
| 05:54.31 | destinal-wirc | palms even doing it |
| 05:54.32 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 05:54.45 | JayCanuck | destinal-wirc, ya see the mobile hotspot ipk |
| 05:54.56 | destinal-wirc | yup |
| 05:55.02 | destinal-wirc | type game |
| 05:55.04 | JayCanuck | even palm's exploiting the "type:game" trick to install ipks, lol |
| 05:55.15 | sslow | jaycanuk: i want to do a scrim patch to change the boot images w/o terminal access... any idea where the css is that tells the pre which files to use? not the png's |
| 05:55.45 | JayCanuck | sslow, that's in the linux binary lunasysmgr |
| 05:56.00 | JayCanuck | thus why webos quick install has the boot image changer |
| 05:56.06 | egaudet | Palm is exploiting type: game in private, probably because of need to get verizon engineers a way to test hotspot app |
| 05:56.25 | JayCanuck | yea |
| 05:57.23 | xcomp | egaudet: yes I did |
| 05:58.10 | egaudet | they don't build for me |
| 05:58.20 | cryptk|work | bbiab |
| 05:58.23 | xcomp | what's not building? |
| 05:58.26 | egaudet | e_dbus needs ecore as depend I believe |
| 05:58.44 | egaudet | and now with expedite i get error missing expedite-webos.patch |
| 06:00.24 | xcomp | hmm, looks that file didn't make it into git |
| 06:01.46 | xcomp | fixed, pull again |
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| 06:03.05 | egaudet | dBsooner, here's something to think about: |
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| 06:03.39 | dBsooner | hmm |
| 06:03.43 | edektor | how can I unpack an ipk? |
| 06:03.47 | egaudet | if themes go under AUPT, then they need webos-version specific feeds |
| 06:03.57 | edektor | ar -x name.ipk |
| 06:04.01 | egaudet | yea |
| 06:04.05 | edektor | does nit work |
| 06:04.07 | dBsooner | what is the patch option to not create .orig files? |
| 06:04.08 | edektor | not* |
| 06:04.12 | egaudet | your ipk is bad? |
| 06:04.24 | egaudet | dBsooner, --no-backup-if-mismatch |
| 06:04.27 | dBsooner | thanks |
| 06:04.30 | dBsooner | add that to the ticket |
| 06:04.34 | edektor | well that worked for the app ipk |
| 06:04.39 | dBsooner | so I don't forget that part in the patch line. :) |
| 06:04.48 | egaudet | grr |
| 06:04.49 | edektor | but there is a service ipk as well.. I think? |
| 06:04.52 | dBsooner | just sayin |
| 06:05.43 | edektor | if I go ar -t it lists the files but then I can extract them |
| 06:05.50 | edektor | cant* |
| 06:06.36 | edektor | it the mobile hotspot service ipk im trying to unpack |
| 06:08.12 | dBsooner | [dbsooner@deluge v1.3.1]$ patch -p1 -no-backup-if-mismatch -d . < ../messaging-character-counter.patch |
| 06:08.12 | dBsooner | patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input. |
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| 06:08.21 | dBsooner | egaudet: ^^ |
| 06:08.32 | cryptk|work | ok, back |
| 06:09.14 | egaudet | trac updated with all steps dBsooner verify |
| 06:10.08 | egaudet | dBsooner, why are you using -d . |
| 06:10.14 | egaudet | -d . is redundant |
| 06:10.25 | dBsooner | Yeah, i just noticed that.. |
| 06:10.31 | dBsooner | it was a copy paste command fail on my part |
| 06:10.43 | egaudet | you still get only garbage found? |
| 06:10.57 | xcomp | going to bed ... egaudet please let me know if you encounter any more issues |
| 06:11.12 | egaudet | /usr/local/bin/edje_cc: Error. Compiling script code not clean. |
| 06:11.27 | dBsooner | still get the same thing though egaudet |
| 06:11.30 | xcomp | now that's weird... |
| 06:11.38 | xcomp | what package? |
| 06:11.47 | egaudet | xcomp, I'll fix anything that is obvious if I can track it down and otherwise get what I can get for you tomorrow |
| 06:11.49 | dBsooner | if I don't put the -no-backup-if-mismatch it applies, but creates all the .orig |
| 06:12.07 | egaudet | -- |
| 06:12.23 | dBsooner | and its -- |
| 06:12.24 | dBsooner | not - |
| 06:12.26 | egaudet | --no-backup-if-mismatch |
| 06:12.28 | dBsooner | needs sleep |
| 06:12.28 | egaudet | ok |
| 06:12.53 | dBsooner | why do I have to commit? |
| 06:13.05 | egaudet | because git diff won't give you created files |
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| 06:13.14 | egaudet | or wait did I say commit? |
| 06:13.15 | egaudet | woops |
| 06:13.17 | egaudet | meant just add |
| 06:13.24 | dBsooner | yeah, I am not going to commit |
| 06:13.57 | dBsooner | i git add . ; git diff -b --cached > file.patch ; git reset --hard ; git clean -f |
| 06:14.29 | egaudet | clean -f -d |
| 06:14.52 | dBsooner | k |
| 06:15.15 | destinal-wirc | jaycanuck: rom cooker though? this is not rom |
| 06:15.21 | egaudet | still getting garbage error? |
| 06:15.25 | dBsooner | nope |
| 06:15.29 | dBsooner | I wasn't putting -- |
| 06:15.32 | egaudet | k |
| 06:15.59 | dBsooner | btw, what is wrong with the header in the messaging-character-counter? |
| 06:16.08 | egaudet | app-original |
| 06:17.10 | egaudet | fix them in 1.3.1 too |
| 06:18.16 | dBsooner | I am fixing them in 1.3.1 |
| 06:18.21 | dBsooner | you mean 1.3.5 too |
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| 06:20.49 | LoneStar99 | is there a tutorial anywhere on how to test my IPK on an actual device? |
| 06:21.46 | destinal-wirc | palm sdk docs |
| 06:22.23 | cryptk|work | LoneStar99: I think the command is palm-install but I could be mistaken |
| 06:22.29 | cryptk|work | it is in the docs though |
| 06:23.47 | LoneStar99 | looking at sdk folder, no document folder... |
| 06:25.02 | destinal-wirc | develooer |
| 06:25.29 | destinal-wirc | developer.palm.com |
| 06:29.53 | egaudet | good night |
| 06:30.04 | LoneStar99 | gn |
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| 06:57.05 | LoneStar99 | just when I thought everything was clear: have no apps installed trying to "palm-install -d usb thisapp" and get FAILED_NOT_ENOUGH_INSTALL_SPACE |
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| 07:02.22 | acydlord | maybe you have a time/space paradox? |
| 07:02.26 | acydlord | try dividing by zero |
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| 07:04.46 | LoneStar99 | not sure, only have the default apps installed |
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| 07:06.22 | LoneStar99 | have had issues with: ubuntu, meta doctor, file sharing, accessing app store, palm profiles, now can't install single f-cking app... |
| 07:08.28 | JMyaDaGod | anyone up? |
| 07:09.14 | LoneStar99 | yeah, |
| 07:09.34 | JMyaDaGod | that can help me? |
| 07:09.57 | LoneStar99 | but won't be much help, have encountered everything that can possibly go wrong |
| 07:10.20 | LoneStar99 | with the pre |
| 07:10.57 | JMyaDaGod | yea i see u been having a ruff day |
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| 07:11.58 | JMyaDaGod | i just doctored now i cant get phone to connect to computer for webosqi |
| 07:12.37 | cryptk|work | JMyaDaGod: is it in developer mode? |
| 07:12.52 | cryptk|work | webos20090606 is the code to bring it up |
| 07:13.11 | cryptk|work | enable dev mode, let the phone reboot, then try again |
| 07:13.28 | JMyaDaGod | yea its in dev mode im gonna reinstall novacom see if it works |
| 07:13.37 | cryptk|work | yep try that next |
| 07:13.43 | cryptk|work | are you in windows or linux? |
| 07:13.49 | JMyaDaGod | win 7 |
| 07:14.03 | cryptk|work | don't know much about the win7 quirks with novacom |
| 07:14.17 | cryptk|work | but try doing the novcom reinstall, there is an option for it in QI I think |
| 07:14.40 | JMyaDaGod | yea its cool thats what i am gonna do i am gonna download another copy of doctor just to be sure |
| 07:16.30 | cryptk|work | make sure you are using the 1.3.5.1 doctor file (or whatever version your phone has on it |
| 07:17.11 | JMyaDaGod | yea thats why i am redownloading just to be sure what was in the folder is 1.3.5.1 |
| 07:17.51 | JMyaDaGod | all this because i tried to download verizon hotspot lol |
| 07:18.27 | cryptk|work | you couldn't just uninstall verizon hotspot? |
| 07:19.17 | JMyaDaGod | i dont know but i wanted to doctor anyway because half the time i am doing stuff not knowing what i am doing lol |
| 07:19.32 | hckyplayer024 | how do we get verizon hotspot |
| 07:19.55 | JMyaDaGod | if i do it right in the next 20 min ill let u know |
| 07:20.09 | hckyplayer024 | where did you download it? |
| 07:20.20 | dBsooner | nite ya'll |
| 07:20.22 | JMyaDaGod | someone sent me the ipk |
| 07:20.23 | edektor | hckyplayer024: I was looking into it.. But I couldnt unpack the service |
| 07:20.29 | cryptk|work | hckyplayer024: it is in the app catalog, it is only made to work with verizons service |
| 07:20.30 | JMyaDaGod | nite |
| 07:20.49 | cryptk|work | but some people are trying to find a way to make it work on sprint... |
| 07:20.54 | cryptk|work | I personally am waiting for freetether |
| 07:20.56 | hckyplayer024 | I see |
| 07:21.02 | hckyplayer024 | i dont doubt that it will happen son |
| 07:21.04 | edektor | cryptk|work: whats freetether |
| 07:21.07 | hckyplayer024 | soon* |
| 07:21.13 | JMyaDaGod | u dont want to install the one in the app catalog it doesnt work u have to just install 2 of the 3 ipk......It is working already!!!!! |
| 07:21.16 | hckyplayer024 | freetether is already out |
| 07:21.37 | JMyaDaGod | nonono the hotspot is working |
| 07:21.48 | JMyaDaGod | brb with details in about 10 min ok |
| 07:22.00 | edektor | so just install the service and the app? |
| 07:22.10 | edektor | no the pmnet one |
| 07:22.28 | cryptk|work | JMyaDaGod: you had it working? question is how will it show up on your bill... |
| 07:22.39 | hckyplayer024 | yeah you can find the service and the app here: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ |
| 07:23.05 | edektor | in what one |
| 07:23.09 | JMyaDaGod | cryptk|work : i pretty sure its using ip forwarding because u have to have freetether installed for it to work |
| 07:23.13 | hckyplayer024 | pre or pixi? |
| 07:23.21 | edektor | pre |
| 07:23.42 | edektor | oh.. us.ryanhope.freetether?? |
| 07:23.50 | hckyplayer024 | yup |
| 07:24.04 | edektor | is it throttled at all? |
| 07:24.06 | hckyplayer024 | make sure its ARM7 then |
| 07:24.11 | hckyplayer024 | idk it works fine for mee |
| 07:24.23 | edektor | what's the DL/PL rate |
| 07:24.25 | hckyplayer024 | speeds are pretty quick didnt do a speedtest tho |
| 07:25.15 | hckyplayer024 | JMyaDaGod: how are you doing the hotspot |
| 07:26.18 | cryptk|work | hckyplayer024: in the testing feed is not the same a publicly released, freetether is not publicly released yet |
| 07:26.24 | JMyaDaGod | u have to install only 2 of the 3 ipk in that pack on app catalog feed ....but u also need freetether so u might as well grab that now |
| 07:27.49 | hckyplayer024 | how do you get to the app catalog feed? |
| 07:28.09 | hckyplayer024 | cryptk|work I know but it still works |
| 07:28.33 | cryptk|work | hckyplayer024: it is built into the new preware |
| 07:28.40 | cryptk|work | are you running the most up to date version? |
| 07:28.48 | cryptk|work | of preware and the ipkgservice? |
| 07:28.54 | hckyplayer024 | yeah I am |
| 07:28.57 | JMyaDaGod | cryptik|work are u sure it is still there? |
| 07:29.08 | JMyaDaGod | they removed but it was cached |
| 07:29.26 | cryptk|work | JMyaDaGod: I remember seeing it in there, I don't know if it still is or not |
| 07:31.07 | cryptk|work | lunch time, bbiab |
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| 07:36.30 | mw | where does preware store its packages? |
| 07:36.54 | hckyplayer024 | JMyaDaGod: did you get it working yet |
| 07:36.57 | mw | After installing a few patches (16), my Palm Pre has suddenly decided to run with a load average of 5! |
| 07:36.59 | mw | Ouch. |
| 07:40.45 | cryptk|work | mw: did one of the packages have a dependency? |
| 07:40.55 | cryptk|work | perhaps something that required a java restart? |
| 07:41.30 | cryptk|work | and what do you mean where does it store it's packages? they are stored on a server and downloaded when they need to be installed |
| 07:43.18 | mw | I'm curious to know where Preware stores its package information and apps on the device |
| 07:44.19 | mw | (already running dropbear + PuTTY; I'm really looking to update the Launcher title string to DayOfWeek-dd instead of dd-MMM-yy) |
| 07:44.44 | JMyaDaGod | hckyplayer024 : no for some reason my phone is in offline mode permentaly........imma erase and try it again but if i cant get it i know that Kyusaku knows how |
| 07:45.01 | mw | I'll try a /sbin/stop java-serviceboot next time it starts going so slow. |
| 07:45.01 | hckyplayer024 | okay |
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| 07:45.54 | mw | I don't think any of the patches had dependencies that weren't fulfilled (answered "yes" to all of them). |
| 07:46.14 | mw | I have used both Preware and webOS QuickInstaller to install patches; that might be a bad idea? |
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| 07:49.57 | cryptk|work | mw: I was wondering if a java restart could have temporarilly increased the load average, did any of them require a restart? |
| 07:50.18 | cryptk|work | and preware installs things to the same location that app-catalog apps are isntalled to |
| 07:50.34 | cryptk|work | and isntalling patches through both preware and quick install is fine, they are compatible... |
| 07:50.39 | mw | cryptk: A couple of the patches did require Luna restarts. |
| 07:53.46 | mw | cryptk: /var/palm/data is one of the directories I'm looking for. |
| 07:54.56 | cryptk|work | mw: a luna restart is required after each patch install (or you can install several patches then restart after they are all installed). The luna restart is required for them to take effect |
| 07:55.19 | cryptk|work | I am curious about a JAVA restart, Preware would have prompted you saying "Java restart required" |
| 07:55.36 | cryptk|work | but if you restarted luna after everything then that isn't it |
| 07:55.51 | cryptk|work | is the load average still at 5 or has it gone down? |
| 07:56.09 | rwhitby | destinal-wirc: JayCanuck needs to call it a ROM cooker, so the mobile-files.com guys know what to use ... |
| 07:56.14 | firestrider | when the phone flashes palm for like 10 seconds is that a java or luna restart |
| 07:56.37 | JayCanuck | lol, rwhitby |
| 07:57.51 | rwhitby | firestrider: luna |
| 07:57.52 | cryptk|work | firestrider: that is a luna restart |
| 07:58.03 | rwhitby | java restart is when you loose cellular signal for 30 seconds |
| 07:58.12 | cryptk|work | exactly |
| 07:58.13 | rwhitby | and the phone goes sluggish |
| 07:58.44 | cryptk|work | and the phone will go slow |
| 07:58.45 | mw | "uptime" shows 3.4, 2.4, 1.7 now |
| 07:58.45 | cryptk|work | damn... beat me to it |
| 07:59.29 | firestrider | I didn't know there was java on the phone I thought it was all css/js/html |
| 07:59.37 | JMyaDaGod | cryptk|work : which ipk is the service for freetether; the one in armv7 or in all? |
| 08:00.01 | mw | Much better than before. |
| 08:00.05 | cryptk|work | both |
| 08:00.20 | JMyaDaGod | isnt one app other one service? |
| 08:00.21 | cryptk|work | JMyaDaGod: all just lists them all, including the ones in armv7 |
| 08:00.34 | cryptk|work | JMyaDaGod: I haven't messed with freetether so i don't know |
| 08:00.45 | JMyaDaGod | o ok |
| 08:00.53 | JMyaDaGod | hoefully restart works |
| 08:00.53 | firestrider | is java used just for the networking? |
| 08:00.58 | cryptk|work | JMyaDaGod: I only test things that I am asked to test (or that I asked to be a tester for) |
| 08:01.13 | JayCanuck | anyone familiar with the undocumented com.palm.display/control/getProperty system call? |
| 08:01.15 | cryptk|work | firestrider: Java is used for alot of the background things that make the phone work |
| 08:02.09 | cryptk|work | JayCanuck: I would tell you that I am very familiar with all aspects of that system call, except for the fact that I'm not, lol |
| 08:02.17 | JayCanuck | lol |
| 08:02.42 | psykoz | At least he didn't tell you that he wasn't familiar with it until after you sent him a donation over paypal |
| 08:02.47 | cryptk|work | perhaps I can help you brainstorm it though... it is undocumented so there is a possibility that nobody knows much about it |
| 08:02.53 | psykoz | I asked him something once and he said send him $2, I did and then he said "I dunno" :) |
| 08:03.23 | cryptk|work | psykoz: I did no suck thing |
| 08:03.30 | cryptk|work | remembers it beint $5 |
| 08:03.34 | psykoz | XD |
| 08:03.35 | JMyaDaGod | lol |
| 08:03.50 | cryptk|work | haha j/k |
| 08:03.53 | psykoz | I thought you and I had a conversation about you being a $2 whore though? |
| 08:04.02 | cryptk|work | not me... lol |
| 08:04.06 | cryptk|work | I think I woulda remembered that one |
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| 08:04.25 | psykoz | grins |
| 08:04.38 | psykoz | oh well back to real stuff |
| 08:05.58 | cryptk|work | dtzWill: how go's the VBA work? |
| 08:07.06 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: good :D |
| 08:07.17 | psykoz | dtzWill, I wish you had a compiled version against vba 1.8.0 ;( |
| 08:07.30 | psykoz | only 1.8.0 can play classic nes games ;( |
| 08:07.47 | dtzWill | psykoz: see git, there's a working 1.8.0 branch |
| 08:07.57 | dtzWill | psykoz: it fixes a few issues but in general is significantly slower |
| 08:08.13 | psykoz | ;( means i'd have to learn how to compilez0rstuff ;( |
| 08:08.25 | dtzWill | psykoz: and since no one (else) had complained about said issues it seemed speed was bigger--and as I get a chance i'll move stuff back like palette fixes etc |
| 08:08.57 | dtzWill | psykoz: oh you did say *compiled*. well i could probably be convinced to build one special, but like i said it'd be a bit slower. bug me about it some other time b/c i'm rather deep in what i'm doing but i'll hook you up at some point |
| 08:09.21 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: lots of goodies in the works, but nothing super earthshattering unfortunately |
| 08:09.25 | psykoz | I should just be unlazy though, but maybe I'll take you up on that offer |
| 08:09.30 | psykoz | the speed is getting much nicer though! |
| 08:09.54 | psykoz | Still can't play my zelda four swords with sound, but without sound I'm still happier than not having it at all ;> |
| 08:10.17 | cryptk|work | psykoz: compiling is actually pretty easy |
| 08:10.29 | cryptk|work | if you are running linux that is |
| 08:10.30 | psykoz | I need to build a linux vm |
| 08:10.35 | psykoz | and I hate linux =[ |
| 08:10.38 | psykoz | <-- bsd/solaris nerd |
| 08:10.48 | cryptk|work | WHA!!! what's wrong with linux, lol |
| 08:10.57 | psykoz | doesn't have a real filesystem ;> |
| 08:11.05 | cryptk|work | psykoz: sure it does |
| 08:11.11 | psykoz | nuuuuUuuu |
| 08:11.14 | firestrider | ext3 |
| 08:11.14 | psykoz | srs, it doesn't ;) |
| 08:12.13 | firestrider | what's solaris have |
| 08:12.17 | cryptk|work | firestrider: I use ext4 |
| 08:12.19 | firestrider | zfs? |
| 08:13.03 | psykoz | zfs ;> |
| 08:13.08 | psykoz | <3 zfs |
| 08:15.40 | firestrider | what's the difference between them? any real world perf difference? |
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| 08:17.27 | psykoz | well zfs does perform better with regards to physical io, etc. But that being said I don't know if that's the real world benefit of using a filesystem like zfs that has self-healing, built in raid capabilities, checksumming on the fly (works in parallel with self-healing in raid-mirror sets), etc |
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| 08:20.49 | sryan | hmm luna keeps sporadically restarting... |
| 08:22.16 | sryan | I think it's faulty hardware now since I just did a full erase + doctor, but I did put preware terminal luna manager and wirc on |
| 08:22.44 | psykoz | terminal causes luna to restart |
| 08:22.52 | psykoz | with latest version of terminal/webOS |
| 08:23.14 | psykoz | you should really limit using it only if you really really really need to use it and leave it open for as long as you can |
| 08:23.22 | sryan | even if ur not using it? |
| 08:23.26 | psykoz | it's exiting terminal that really fucks ya right now |
| 08:28.36 | cryptk|work | sryan: the first time you close terminal after a luna restart it will be fine, the second time causes the luna restart |
| 08:28.42 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: you'll be up for the next bunch of hours, right? |
| 08:28.44 | cryptk|work | they know about it and are working on a fix |
| 08:28.57 | cryptk|work | until about 7 or so (central time) |
| 08:29.02 | cryptk|work | dtzWill: ^^^ |
| 08:29.56 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: rough (that you're up until then in that timezone, assuming that's your native timezone) |
| 08:29.59 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: work nights? |
| 08:30.06 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: BUT that means i might have something for you to play with :D |
| 08:30.09 | dtzWill | but.. we'll see |
| 08:30.14 | jacques | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/palm-pre-plus-and-pixi-plus-review/ |
| 08:30.51 | cryptk|work | dtzWill: yeah, I work night shift |
| 08:31.31 | jacques | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/20/palm-suddenly-means-business-with-games-heading-to-gdc-this-yea/ |
| 08:34.49 | dtzWill | psykoz: didn't see your comments earlier. yeah sound is mostly not even 'my' fault--pulseaudio ends up taking ~15% of the cpu with sound on |
| 08:35.11 | dtzWill | psykoz: and i haven't figured out why, etc, but that means something ELSE gets 15% cpu that we could be using for emulation goodness. |
| 08:35.24 | jacques | "On the Pre, we saw a notable increase in the amount of cards we could have open at a single time, and with ten separate apps up, we were still able to load Need for Speed: Undercover -- an impressive feat no matter how you slice it. We certainly found that memory errors (warnings to kill some cards) were far less prevalent than on the Sprint version" |
| 08:36.14 | dtzWill | takes apart his pre and puts new memory in it. it's removable right? |
| 08:36.17 | dtzWill | ..right guys? :) |
| 08:36.26 | jacques | sure, they sell it at Fry's |
| 08:36.36 | dtzWill | jacques: oh wait seriously the pre uses removable memory? haha |
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| 08:38.15 | cryptk|work | dtzWill: facepalm... |
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| 08:40.51 | jacques | "Oh, one hitch -- you'll have to cough up an additional $40 for the use of the hotspot, with a 5GB cap and a $.05 per MB charge after that. It might be cheaper than a 3G card plan... but not much." |
| 08:41.03 | jacques | dtzWill, seriously? ... no. |
| 08:41.58 | jacques | $40 per month? rite big V ... riiiiiight. |
| 08:42.43 | rwhitby | jacques: any comments, insight on org.webosinternals.saverestore? |
| 08:44.04 | acydlord | http://mylifeisnerdy.co.cc/story/2010-01-03+01:14:11 |
| 08:44.08 | jacques | rwhitby, I'm visiting family in OK and haven't had hardly any time to participate these last few days ... sorry :-\ |
| 08:44.25 | jacques | I haven't taken a good look at saverestore |
| 08:44.40 | rwhitby | jacques: np |
| 08:47.30 | dtzWill | >_> |
| 08:47.40 | dtzWill | cough |
| 08:47.41 | dtzWill | sorry guys |
| 08:47.41 | dtzWill | haha |
| 08:48.18 | dtzWill | hands in his geek card |
| 08:51.02 | WillJitsu | is there a changelog available for patches? a couple of mine have updates but I have no clue what changed. |
| 08:53.13 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: there is not. probably look at the forum thread listed in the description homepage link |
| 08:53.26 | dtzWill | does anyone know how to disable the cursor? |
| 08:53.31 | dtzWill | particularly that ripple effect? |
| 08:53.45 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: gotcha. thanks. |
| 08:53.50 | dtzWill | it takes a painful amount of processing to make that happen while playing, lol |
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| 08:58.53 | cryptk|work | dtzWill: I have noticed that in NFS the cursor at some points is different... as far as how to turn it off, I have no idea :( |
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| 09:05.19 | cdm | lots-o-people |
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| 09:08.16 | mw | +rwhitby: Is there a suggested best practices for webOS dev't in emacs? |
| 09:08.33 | rwhitby | hey cdm |
| 09:08.53 | rwhitby | cdm: is /usr/local likely to be used by Palm? |
| 09:09.09 | rwhitby | mw: have you seen the WIDK ? |
| 09:09.12 | rwhitby | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK |
| 09:09.35 | rwhitby | mw: or are you talking webOS mojo development? |
| 09:10.51 | mw | I noticed WIDK; it looks interesting. |
| 09:11.07 | mw | That's more what I'm thinking of than mojo dev't. |
| 09:12.03 | rwhitby | mw: so I just cross compile stuff in an ssh iTerminal on my mac laptop ssh'd into a VirtualBox VM running Ubuntu 9.10 server, running emacs in non-graphical mode. |
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| 09:13.44 | mw | OK - no fancy tramp setups or gud integrations so far. |
| 09:14.02 | rwhitby | mw: oh, if I want to edit a file on the Pre, then I use tramp over wifi |
| 09:14.22 | rwhitby | (OpenSSH SFTP Server in Preware, root, ssh keys) |
| 09:14.29 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: interesting. if it wasn't late i might be convinced to go see if i can figure out how they do it :) |
| 09:14.34 | geist | meep |
| 09:15.02 | rwhitby | hey geist |
| 09:15.18 | cryptk|work | dtzWill: all they did was change it into a square grafic instead of a round one, but I don't know if that would actually lead to a means to disable it. |
| 09:15.25 | mw | +rwhitby: Thanks for the pointers. |
| 09:16.02 | cryptk|work | what about looking at some of the themes that alter the color of the cursor, could you possibly find a way to change it to just a non-animated, non-transparent dot? |
| 09:16.15 | hape_ | hi, one user has started to port Navit to the pre but is having problems. I tried to tell him that he could find help in this chat. But for whatever reason I'm having problem to post in the forum at the moment. Could someone add the information the the tred please |
| 09:16.21 | hape_ | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/224609-navit-pre.html |
| 09:16.27 | hape_ | Thanks in advance |
| 09:19.59 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: ah okay. yeah really it's just that that stupid ripple effect seems to take processing power :(. and doesn't make sense in the context of the game anyway |
| 09:20.02 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: tyvm for the info |
| 09:22.44 | cryptk|work | dtzWill: np, I don't know if it will lead to a solution or not, but it may lead to something... |
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| 09:49.48 | Suruat | hello |
| 09:50.41 | cryptk|work | hello |
| 09:51.09 | Suruat | it quiet here. guess everyone asleep |
| 09:51.21 | cryptk|work | it is off and on |
| 09:51.34 | cryptk|work | the people that are awake check IRC from time to time while they are working on things |
| 09:51.45 | cryptk|work | but it does die off a bit late at night |
| 09:51.50 | Suruat | gotcha. |
| 09:51.59 | destrudo | Except me |
| 09:52.04 | destrudo | I am always watching. |
| 09:52.07 | cryptk|work | well.. and me |
| 09:52.20 | destrudo | I've seen what you do |
| 09:52.26 | cryptk|work | I watch from home... I watch from work... I watch from my Pre when I am not at either... |
| 09:52.30 | destrudo | There are changes happening, not all of them good. |
| 09:52.42 | Suruat | I am trying to find a disigner. for this stopwatch/timer I am making. |
| 09:52.50 | cryptk|work | destrudo: what are you talking about?? |
| 09:52.54 | destrudo | another one? |
| 09:53.02 | Suruat | it is almost done, but I want it to look good. |
| 09:53.08 | destrudo | cryptk|work: I'm insane. |
| 09:54.22 | Suruat | how can I create custom buttons and interface into my webos app. if I don't wanna use palm buttoms |
| 09:54.43 | Suruat | you guys have any idea? |
| 09:58.00 | cryptk|work | make them with HTML and javascript |
| 09:59.36 | Suruat | sorry if my question is nobby, I m very new to this, how can html create a custom button. |
| 10:00.04 | Suruat | I thought you would need to make it in a photoshop or somthing |
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| 10:01.23 | cryptk|work | well, you would need an image file to use ye |
| 10:01.28 | cryptk|work | s/ye/yes/ |
| 10:01.47 | cryptk|work | that is all basic web coding stuff |
| 10:02.08 | cryptk|work | check out www.w3schools.com they have some good tutorials on HTML CSS and JavaScript |
| 10:02.47 | Suruat | ok thx |
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| 10:30.40 | bsm | hi, since the 1.3.5.2 update for the GSM Pre I've got a battery drain of about 8% / hour while idling ( screen off ) . it seems like the pre resets the ppp0 device regularly as the traffic on the device, reported by ifconfig. regularly is below 1kb. ideas anyone? |
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| 10:38.35 | cryptk|work | bsm: is your pre connecting to anything? like chat? pulling email? |
| 10:39.48 | bsm | cryptk|work: that's the point, no open connections, fetching emails once and hour, backups disabled |
| 10:40.28 | cryptk|work | hrm... not sure... I haven't noticed anything weird with the battery on 1.3.5.1 |
| 10:40.41 | cryptk|work | have you checked top for running processes? |
| 10:43.53 | bsm | I don't think there is something special. the device also sleeps for several minutes between wakeups, just like it did prior to the update |
| 10:44.33 | bsm | I did a partial reset now and recognized, that it also erased all installed apps ans borked installed patches, so I'm going with the doctor. |
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| 10:57.17 | bsm | and another question, where does the pre stores the Pin for the SIM card? after a complete reinstall I did not need to enter a phone pin, does it deactivate the pin? |
| 11:00.07 | cryptk|work | bsm: I don't know anything about SIM cards unfortunately... My pre is not a GSM unit. |
| 11:00.15 | FreeTim | is there any way to access the USB style media partition, over bluetooth? I hate plugging my phone in. |
| 11:02.26 | bsm | FreeTim: you could create a bluetooth network and SCP into it... |
| 11:03.15 | FreeTim | I like it, it sounds interesting. I think I may have WinSCP around this notebook somewhere |
| 11:03.34 | bsm | FreeTim: you rooted your phone? |
| 11:03.45 | FreeTim | doesn't it COME rooted? |
| 11:04.05 | FreeTim | but I have access by command line, like over novaproxy and putty |
| 11:05.22 | FreeTim | (i only meant - there is no such thing as rooting a Pre.) - but I know what you're asking, and I can access by terminal I'm comfy with that |
| 11:06.39 | cryptk|work | bsm: the pre is not like the iphone... there is no magic needed to gain root access |
| 11:06.40 | cryptk|work | they have it nice and open for developers... Palm actually WANTS us to mess with it |
| 11:08.40 | cryptk|work | FreeTim: I know what you meant, I was directing that towards bsm |
| 11:08.42 | cryptk|work | bbiab |
| 11:09.28 | FreeTim | i think my somewhat sarcastic response, scared him off. Sorry didn't mean to |
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| 11:10.51 | acydlord | technically the only magic needed with the iPhone is to access a GSM network |
| 11:10.58 | bsm | yeah, I'm so scared that I don't dare to say anything :D |
| 11:11.25 | bsm | and rooting the pre or gaining root access still requires the konami code |
| 11:11.49 | acydlord | but then you have unlimited lives incase you screw up in the terminal =x |
| 11:12.26 | bsm | ^^ |
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| 11:19.15 | cryptk|work | bsm: the difference is that accessing developer mode (and therefore terminal and root) is all documented by palm and released to the public, it isn't hidden in any way |
| 11:19.30 | cryptk|work | there is no 'jailbreaking' needed to run homebrew apps |
| 11:23.25 | acydlord | and it doesnt void our warranty |
| 11:24.07 | acydlord | we dont have to seek his jobsness's aproval before using the wrong multi-touch gesture |
| 11:31.16 | jettero | that's the main reason I didn't get an iphone. Fuck apple |
| 11:31.22 | jettero | the device seems nice enough |
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| 11:33.40 | cryptk|work | the device is nice, the hardcore propriatary fashion in which it is controlled is not. |
| 11:34.04 | jettero | indeed |
| 11:34.27 | jettero | I find that same problem (to a lesser extent) with all apple products tough. I boycott them as hard as I can |
| 11:53.52 | FreeTim | I saw a new commercials for Sprint, talking about the Android, and spilling a drink on the very brief Palm Pre mention... horrible, horrible ad and in no way pushes the Pre. Again, marketing falls down on it's face despite a terrific product in the Palm Pre. |
| 11:54.16 | FreeTim | I hope Palm in no way helped pay for that ad. Horrible! |
| 11:59.19 | FreeTim | jettero: Me, too. Especially the proprietary itunes songs format, for example |
| 11:59.52 | FreeTim | I wish the Palm supported (played) .ogg format though. That'd be very nice. |
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| 12:09.21 | jettero | FreeTim: I'm surprised it doesn't play ogg. Very |
| 12:09.29 | jettero | what happens if you rename the ogg to an .mp3? |
| 12:09.30 | jettero | heh |
| 12:09.39 | jettero | I'm not being totally serious |
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| 12:11.09 | FreeTim | maybe it's my encoding. I'll encode a fresh one and test it out from work, after commute |
| 12:11.36 | jettero | it's simple enough to check, ls /usr/lib/*ogg* |
| 12:13.10 | jettero | I see so.0.5.3 ... |
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| 13:40.15 | bsm | hm, my palm resets the traffic on the ppp0 device after going to sleep and waking up, pppd is still running on the same PID. ideas anyone? and what is up with freenode? |
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| 13:40.28 | en0x | o my o my |
| 13:40.28 | en0x | pre+ reviews are everywhere |
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| 13:40.41 | en0x | i would love to get gsm pre |
| 13:40.50 | en0x | but i'm not gonna pay 800 bucks for it |
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| 13:54.36 | destinal-wirc | jettero: actually renaming to a supported ext CAN help on pre |
| 14:04.20 | FreeTim | but, the format would be different on .ogg than it is on .mp3 |
| 14:06.30 | Towzzer | what is the oreo twisting effect |
| 14:06.50 | en0x | u should google for pic |
| 14:07.12 | en0x | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/07/palm-pre-twist-07-23-09.jpg oreo twist |
| 14:07.15 | en0x | ;) |
| 14:07.21 | hmagoo | do you know what oreos are? |
| 14:07.28 | Towzzer | yeah |
| 14:07.38 | Towzzer | black people who act like white people |
| 14:07.41 | Towzzer | :D |
| 14:07.47 | en0x | lol |
| 14:07.55 | Towzzer | or is it the reverse |
| 14:08.00 | hmagoo | it's when you can twist the front of the pre and the back of the pre in different directions. |
| 14:08.16 | Towzzer | that would be an awesome feature, landscape with keyboard |
| 14:08.25 | en0x | lol |
| 14:08.29 | en0x | Towzzer, i second this |
| 14:09.22 | Towzzer | seems the mobile hotspot that was on the catalog last night |
| 14:09.26 | Towzzer | was acutally meant for verizon people |
| 14:09.28 | Towzzer | as a feature |
| 14:09.38 | VincentLaw | you don't say |
| 14:09.58 | VincentLaw | Towzzer, no offense, but it seems like you are in a perpetual state of old news |
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| 14:11.14 | Towzzer | i just woke up |
| 14:11.36 | en0x | VincentLaw, i didn/t know too |
| 14:11.37 | en0x | :( |
| 14:18.16 | bsm | "2010-01-21T14:16:09.097808Z [343] palm-webos-device daemon.info pppd[1574]: Connect time 5.1 minutes." my messages file is full of short connections without reason :( |
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| 14:25.52 | LoneStar99 | morning folks |
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| 14:28.04 | PuffTheMagic | yay!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:28.04 | PuffTheMagic | finally got cable |
| 14:28.22 | dBsooner | lol |
| 14:28.36 | dBsooner | Company? |
| 14:29.22 | en0x | comcast probably :P |
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| 14:55.42 | Kyusaku | what a great time to get a new internet connection, during netsplits |
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| 15:04.10 | ryan_gahl | morning |
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| 15:21.05 | nt4cats|work | In my dream world -- soon before/after June 12th Sprint will offer its own variety of the Pre Plus (maybe with 4G?). That way I can give my wife my pre and upgrade myself ... |
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| 15:23.04 | bpadalino|work | bt, wimax, wifi and evdo rev a? so much connectivity! |
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| 15:27.00 | Kyusaku | I sure hope that Sprint/Walmart 4G rumor is true |
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| 15:35.25 | ryan_gahl | nt4cats|work: in my dream world, there are unicorns and rainbow houses, and sometimes friggin hobgoblins chasing me. I'll trade ya |
| 15:35.54 | nt4cats|work | ~smack ryan_gahl |
| 15:35.54 | infobot | ACTION smacks ryan_gahl upside the head. |
| 15:36.00 | ryan_gahl | :p |
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| 15:36.32 | nt4cats|work | Kyusaku: where did you hear/read this rumor? |
| 15:37.11 | VincentLaw | the app catalog feed annoys me. there are a few different things that are just completely missing from it |
| 15:38.09 | VincentLaw | like the original app submission date (when the app was FIRST published, not updated), and a separate tally for downloads vs updates (total downloads actually counts all downloads including updates) |
| 15:38.54 | VincentLaw | from what I can tell, I actually have no way whatsoever to determine when an app made it to the catalog without going through precentral's lists of blog posts >.> |
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| 15:40.11 | LoneStar99 | $1.99 or $2.49 ? |
| 15:41.36 | VincentLaw | <nt4cats|work> In my dream world -- soon before/after June 12th Sprint will offer its own variety of the Pre Plus (maybe with 4G?). That way I can give my wife my pre and upgrade myself ... <-- I hope with the 4G but honestly there's no 4G around here which makes me sad panda |
| 15:41.56 | VincentLaw | and from what I can glean from google, nothing coming this year so far either :/ |
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| 15:42.45 | nt4cats|work | I live in Philadelphia, we have Sprint 4G |
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| 15:48.14 | TreoRock | good morning |
| 15:48.29 | TreoRock | I need some help |
| 15:48.29 | nt4cats|work | 4G would be nice because it is something I could use to make my VZW and AT&T friends jealous. I don't really care about the extra flash in the PrePlus, but I do sorta covet the extra RAM |
| 15:48.48 | nt4cats|work | TreoRock: what's your issue? |
| 15:49.03 | TreoRock | anybody knows how to copy the output of the Palm Pre terminal? |
| 15:49.20 | TreoRock | I'm helping Greg with his plug-ins |
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| 15:49.39 | nt4cats|work | Do you just want to show him something? You could screenshot it .. |
| 15:50.12 | TreoRock | ic there is no way to copy and paste? |
| 15:50.36 | bpadalino|work | in the terminal application ? |
| 15:50.41 | bpadalino|work | or using novaterm ? |
| 15:51.19 | TreoRock | he asked me to open the terminal on my Palm Pre and PM him the output |
| 15:51.30 | TreoRock | after using the plugin |
| 15:51.35 | Kyusaku | you're gonna have to type it out |
| 15:51.45 | nt4cats|work | or screenshot it and send him the mimage |
| 15:51.51 | nt4cats|work | s/mimage/image/ |
| 15:52.24 | TreoRock | ok, i'll do that |
| 15:52.27 | TreoRock | thanks |
| 15:52.37 | TreoRock | back to testing |
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| 15:53.13 | Kyusaku | nt4cats|work: SprintUsers posted an article and a couple other places mentioned it |
| 15:53.33 | nt4cats|work | Kyusaku: linkl? |
| 15:53.42 | Kyusaku | supposedly there's a rumor of Sprint working a deal with Walmart to put their 4G towers on their stores |
| 15:53.44 | nt4cats|work | s/nkl/nk/ |
| 15:53.52 | Kyusaku | even CNET BuzzOutLoud covered it |
| 15:53.54 | Kyusaku | hold |
| 15:54.03 | Kyusaku | lemme find it was like a week ago |
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| 15:54.55 | bpadalino|work | i haven't seen many walmarts on big hills |
| 15:55.02 | Kyusaku | here is an Engadget article http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/12/sprint-hooking-up-with-walmart-for-wimax-buildout/ |
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| 15:57.28 | Kyusaku | http://www.androidguys.com/2010/01/12/rumor-sprint-working-with-walmart-on-wimax-build-out/ |
| 15:57.50 | Kyusaku | has a map of predicted 4G coverage if the deal would happen |
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| 16:02.41 | nt4cats|work | Kyusaku: tyvm |
| 16:07.46 | VincentLaw | cries |
| 16:08.11 | VincentLaw | the app catalog feed has the screenshot urls just plastered together in one string |
| 16:08.45 | VincentLaw | not only do I have to break it apart, there's no seperator, and there's different image sizes mixed in |
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| 16:09.59 | VincentLaw | oh, and better still, it has /localized/ images in there too! all mixed together! |
| 16:10.09 | VincentLaw | whoever made the palm catalog feed needs to be shot IMO >.> |
| 16:10.22 | Kyusaku | haha |
| 16:11.07 | Kyusaku | the staff that works on the app catalog is pretty shaky |
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| 16:12.01 | VincentLaw | the only thing I can think of from looking at this feed is that the feed must have used newlines to separate the image urls. which naturally got stripped |
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| 16:16.08 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: ping |
| 16:16.52 | egaudet_work | hello Mr. Beames |
| 16:17.01 | dBsooner | lol |
| 16:17.05 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/webos-patches/changeset/0bb751accd6067a101b9c0b9d27308db508641d0 |
| 16:17.21 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: Clean Patches by applying then git diff'ing ---- DONE! |
| 16:17.31 | dBsooner | All it took was that little bit of code. :) |
| 16:17.32 | destinal-wirc | mister.. andserson.. |
| 16:18.28 | destinal-wirc | dBsooner: what's this about, then? I didn't get it last night |
| 16:18.45 | egaudet_work | dBsooner: what if patch fails to apply |
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| 16:19.17 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: It shouldn't because the admin SHOULD be doing a "TEST PATCH' first |
| 16:19.30 | egaudet_work | and where are you putting the output of git diff |
| 16:19.32 | Kyusaku | dbSooner: any chance to add a direct link to the patch on your site? Sometimesthe "homepage" link is some old thread with outdated material. |
| 16:19.37 | destinal-wirc | I don't understand why you're applying a dif and then using git to make one from it |
| 16:19.46 | destinal-wirc | this sounds wacky |
| 16:19.49 | egaudet_work | I think "test patch" should be 2nd/last/final thing |
| 16:19.54 | egaudet_work | don't "test...OK...regenerate" |
| 16:19.59 | egaudet_work | do "regenerate...test...ok" |
| 16:20.00 | egaudet_work | IMO |
| 16:20.05 | dBsooner | no |
| 16:20.14 | dBsooner | because I am just dry-running it |
| 16:20.17 | egaudet_work | destinal-wirc: because the patch isn't guaranteed to have "correct" headers |
| 16:20.17 | zsoc | dtzWill: hey.. I don't think you versioned your updates :D still need testing? |
| 16:20.18 | destinal-wirc | are you guys sniffing too much of the glue? |
| 16:20.22 | dBsooner | to see if it applies in its state |
| 16:20.30 | egaudet_work | meaning the patch submitted could have false file path for orig file |
| 16:20.31 | dBsooner | Which it SHOULD |
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| 16:20.47 | dBsooner | if a --dry-run fails, then regeneration will fail. |
| 16:20.48 | egaudet_work | and lsdiff uses the orig filename in a diff |
| 16:20.50 | dBsooner | So testing needs to go first. |
| 16:20.58 | egaudet_work | dBsooner: well forget dry run |
| 16:21.16 | egaudet_work | apply it (if it fails that means dry run failed) if it succeeds generate new one |
| 16:21.21 | destinal-wirc | egaudet_work: and there's enough malformed patches that we can't just reject them? |
| 16:21.35 | egaudet_work | destinal-wirc: why reject them though? |
| 16:21.46 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: It's just easier to do the "test patch" first |
| 16:22.02 | dBsooner | because "test patch" goes and tests the .patch file against ALL current versions of webos |
| 16:22.07 | destinal-wirc | typically a project has, run diff with these parameters |
| 16:22.22 | destinal-wirc | if you fail, your patch is not accepted |
| 16:22.30 | dBsooner | so when you go to "accept it", you can select the other webos versions the maintainer may not have tested. |
| 16:22.41 | dBsooner | THEN.. during the ACCEPT process, it actually regenerates it. |
| 16:22.47 | dBsooner | saving the output in the git repo directory. |
| 16:23.17 | nt4cats|work | crap, no tcpdump for the pre :( |
| 16:24.12 | destinal-wirc | nt4cats: not in optware? |
| 16:24.23 | egaudet_work | destinal-wirc: the patch doesn't fail |
| 16:24.37 | egaudet_work | and human eye verification isn't robust |
| 16:24.51 | egaudet_work | regeneration is -guaranteed- to get a correct header |
| 16:24.53 | jettero | there seems to be like 4 volume(s) ... is there a convenient place to check them all? |
| 16:24.54 | dBsooner | Kyusaku: The Homepage link is what the maintainer supplies, it's all you get. :) |
| 16:25.35 | dBsooner | Kyusaku: I don't store the .patch file after it's accepted. After acceptance, it's only in the gitorious.org repo. |
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| 16:25.41 | Kyusaku | dbsooner: =( guess I'll just keep an eye on git repository then |
| 16:25.47 | dBsooner | :) |
| 16:25.56 | egaudet_work | dBsooner: i dont see you saving the patch in the link you sent |
| 16:26.03 | egaudet_work | i see git diff -b --cached just end |
| 16:26.31 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: file_put_contents('../../git/modifications/v'.$webos_version.'/'.$category2.'/'.$patchname.'.patch', $new_patch_file); |
| 16:26.44 | dBsooner | that git diff -b line is storing into a variable |
| 16:26.48 | dtzWill | zsoc: the binary you mean? no i don't push binaries into git for anything other than releases just b/c that makes lame diffs/takes space/etc |
| 16:26.57 | dtzWill | zsoc: pm |
| 16:27.19 | egaudet_work | ohk |
| 16:27.52 | dBsooner | less disk copy operations = less room for error |
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| 16:28.26 | dBsooner | danigt.. I got dog pooh on my boot. I HATE working outside sometimes. |
| 16:28.50 | dBsooner | especially when you need your heater on, so you put it on "floor" and it blows the smell up |
| 16:28.51 | dBsooner | sheesh |
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| 16:31.01 | ryan_gahl | mv +dBsooner /usr/inside |
| 16:34.50 | dBsooner | yeah, tell me about it |
| 16:37.24 | FreeTim | hey TMI, TMI Lol |
| 16:37.47 | dBsooner | I had to share my misfortune. |
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| 16:39.05 | ryan_gahl | who would i check with, btw - to get an OK to use the preware or other webos-internals imagery for a skin in an app i'm making - we're trying to create a ton of community-centric skins (app will be 100% free, btw)... and think it'd be neat to have a few homebrew skins too |
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| 16:40.06 | nt4cats|work | destinal-wirc: I don't see tcpdump available in preware .. I'll check the optware home page |
| 16:40.50 | nt4cats|work | destinal-wirc: I'm soooo close to getting my little Pre networking side project working, and tcpdump will show me exactly what is going on .... |
| 16:40.59 | dBsooner | ryan_gahl: Most, if not all, of the work done by a WebOS-Internals team member is GPL or MIT licensed. I would recommend checking with the creator of the images. Most of the images are on the wiki. You can see the status page to see who uploaded/created them. |
| 16:41.09 | dBsooner | Templarian is probably one of the main people that makes the images. |
| 16:41.20 | dBsooner | oil when he's not being lazy. :) |
| 16:41.56 | Templarian | is being lazy. |
| 16:42.13 | dBsooner | Well you're always lazy Templarian. |
| 16:42.43 | FreeTim | hey some call that 'efficient' LOL |
| 16:42.54 | ryan_gahl | +dBsooner: cool, thx |
| 16:43.00 | dBsooner | so, ryan_gahl, I recommend talking with Templarian. Then further talking with oil or rwhitby if it involves more of the layout and other aspects of Preware. |
| 16:43.14 | ryan_gahl | +Templarian: hi |
| 16:43.46 | Templarian | hands ryan a grenade and walks back to work stuff. |
| 16:43.56 | dBsooner | lol |
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| 16:44.03 | dBsooner | He's a bit moody at times. |
| 16:45.01 | egaudet_work | you can't program without being lazy, unless it's a lifetime project that is never released :p |
| 16:45.05 | ryan_gahl | +Templarian: lol -- ANYWAY... here's some examples we've done up for other apps so far: http://twitpic.com/yxgnb http://twitpic.com/yz5o3 |
| 16:45.34 | egaudet_work | all the graphically inclined people I got a question. Where do you start? |
| 16:45.45 | FreeTim | at the top left pixel |
| 16:45.49 | ryan_gahl | lol |
| 16:45.52 | nt4cats|work | egaudet_work: top left usually |
| 16:45.55 | egaudet_work | How do you find images, what photoshop type programs, where do you learn how/what to shade gloss fix etc |
| 16:46.14 | dBsooner | I know right.. I know NOTHING about graphics. |
| 16:46.15 | egaudet_work | I was thinking if I ever want to make anything, it would be stick figures only |
| 16:46.28 | dBsooner | Hints why the WebOS-Patches Web-Portal has a total of 3 images on it. |
| 16:46.31 | zsoc | egaudet_work: gimp is amazing, and it takes natural talent. a tablet helps |
| 16:46.32 | Templarian | blah first of all don't use photoshop. |
| 16:46.48 | nt4cats|work | egaudet_work: you should get all of your stock artwork from asciipr0n.com |
| 16:46.57 | egaudet_work | lol |
| 16:47.00 | dBsooner | nt4cats|work: Man I love that site. |
| 16:47.35 | Templarian | ryan_gahl: your design skills seem good enough to make an icon... |
| 16:47.36 | egaudet_work | I tried to use gimp... and uhh yeah this is what i came up with... |
| 16:48.03 | egaudet_work | hmm I lost it |
| 16:48.15 | egaudet_work | zsoc: "natural talent" doesn't exist in my world |
| 16:48.21 | zsoc | egaudet_work: imo graphic design is similar to software design, some talent, some knowledge, much experience |
| 16:48.27 | dBsooner | Anyone take to heart what PC.net says about the Pre Plus and its "50!" open cards? |
| 16:48.32 | ryan_gahl | +Templarian: I'm not asking you to do anything, just for permission to use what's already there :) |
| 16:48.52 | zsoc | egaudet_work: someone can be naturally inclined to arcitectually design a program better than someone else |
| 16:48.59 | Templarian | Oh, permission to use what exactly? |
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| 16:49.16 | ryan_gahl | for example, the preware peng-in-a-box |
| 16:49.28 | egaudet_work | Let's pretend I had "talent" for a moment, do you guys scour the web for images? |
| 16:50.42 | Templarian | egaudet_work: just to get an idea of what best displays what one is trying to show. For instance privacy icon is best known for a pad lock, searching around gives an idea of what to design. Bring that into vector and make it fit the style. |
| 16:50.45 | egaudet_work | http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/applications/blobs/master/labyrinth/images/board_level1.png |
| 16:51.24 | egaudet_work | when I first thought about making a labyrinth app before I got deep into webos development, that is what my first try at gimp came up with... and then I cried |
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| 16:51.33 | zsoc | egaudet_work: that's hideous ;) |
| 16:51.35 | Templarian | ryan_gahl: Preware is open source, I believe it's icon is also (unless the licence kept rights but I believe it's under MIT). |
| 16:52.05 | zsoc | egaudet_work: a lot of tries. keep making more versions and look at them all next to each other. trash some and continue with others |
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| 16:52.10 | ryan_gahl | +Templaraian: ok - I just thought it best to ask first :) |
| 16:52.12 | Templarian | egaudet_work: think more rock texture and walls. |
| 16:52.46 | Templarian | ryan_gahl: what exactly did you need it for anyway? |
| 16:52.51 | ryan_gahl | +Templarian: we'll do up a skin and post it here to see what ya'll think |
| 16:52.59 | egaudet_work | I think my main problem is I have no idea how to start trying to make things look like anything. I'll have to read a gimp manual or something I guess |
| 16:53.11 | Templarian | Oh, I see now. |
| 16:53.24 | ryan_gahl | +Templarian: did you look at those links in my previous post here (scroll up a tick) |
| 16:53.28 | ryan_gahl | ah ok |
| 16:53.48 | Templarian | egaudet_work: first of all ditch gimp and use an Adobe software or you are just wasting time. |
| 16:53.54 | Davide-NYC | hello, i'm currently on the road and do not have access to a full browser. can anyone help me with the appropriatecommands to force my (now invisible) PDFViewer to reappear in the launcher? thx. |
| 16:54.37 | egaudet_work | what do you recommend Templarian |
| 16:54.56 | VincentLaw | Davide-NYC: how did you get it invisible in the first place? |
| 16:55.02 | ryan_gahl | +Templarian: and just to be clear, I'm not the designer - my advice to egaudet_work is: love thine designer friends... shower them with gifts, make them equal partners in whatever you do together |
| 16:55.37 | VincentLaw | Photoshop for photo / general work, Illustrator for vector/iconography |
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| 16:56.11 | Davide-NYC | I have no clue. It's either visible or invisible on reboot. |
| 16:56.25 | VincentLaw | did you patch it at all? |
| 16:56.27 | Templarian | I use Fireworks CS4 since it gives quick mockups and I don't have a tablet yet. |
| 16:57.07 | destinal-wirc | nt4cats: install optware and ipkg-opt packages then go to a command line on pre and "ipkg-opt install tcpdump" |
| 16:57.40 | Templarian | goes off to lunch. |
| 16:58.06 | Templarian | Also inkscape is garbage don't even try to use it as a substitute for illustrator. |
| 16:58.53 | dBsooner | Adobe is just so proud of their products. They are like Mac.. Too dang expensive. |
| 16:59.11 | VincentLaw | I miss my college discounts :/ |
| 16:59.24 | VincentLaw | get $1000 worth of software for $200 |
| 16:59.26 | dBsooner | Of course, if I can get a MBP with a quad core for under 2G, I would buy it. |
| 16:59.39 | egaudet_work | yea I might have to start with something free like gimp until I can make something that's even semi-decent, or just not terrible |
| 16:59.51 | VincentLaw | the problem with GIMP is |
| 17:00.02 | VincentLaw | you can't take much of anything you learn in GIMP and apply it to, say, photoshop |
| 17:00.21 | egaudet_work | not even general concepts? |
| 17:00.48 | VincentLaw | the UI is almost entirely different |
| 17:01.22 | VincentLaw | and photoshop is a lot more powerful, especially later versions with non-destructive effects and such |
| 17:02.08 | VincentLaw | the one thing that works for both though is layering. use layers, layers, layers. and when in doubt, more layers. |
| 17:02.29 | nt4cats|work | destinal-wirc: thanks. I already had ipkg-opt installed (from many months ago), but it had been so long since I used it I couldn't remember what the optware ipkg command was. I was going to look it up, but you saved me 1-3 minutes of checking out the webos-internals wiki. |
| 17:02.50 | destinal-wirc | :) |
| 17:03.49 | nt4cats|work | I wasn't going to ask here because of A) shame -and- B) I had a pretty good idea of where to find the information I needed |
| 17:04.19 | destinal-wirc | just tcpdump'd ppp0. |
| 17:04.53 | destinal-wirc | mobile linux ftw |
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| 17:06.16 | braxton | hi |
| 17:06.38 | braxton | destinal how is terminal coming along |
| 17:07.45 | zsoc | destinal-wirc: you have fans |
| 17:08.24 | destinal-wirc | only when things are broken :) |
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| 17:09.22 | nt4cats|work | ^*&^$!^%@%%!ing terminal app!!!! |
| 17:09.33 | destinal | ok, on from desktop |
| 17:09.35 | tlp | hehe |
| 17:09.54 | tlp | wonders if 'bip' works with wIRC yet. |
| 17:09.56 | zsoc | most opensource developers are underappreciated. comes with the job |
| 17:09.58 | destinal | braxton: the problem is stupid threawding |
| 17:10.06 | destinal | s/eaw/ea/ |
| 17:10.07 | nt4cats|work | that lovely terminal app that has all of the "you should be glad this works at all" disclaimers just crashed luna upon close. Surprise! |
| 17:11.14 | egaudet_work | threading is cool |
| 17:11.31 | destinal | We do tricks with multiple threads and they started crashing things in 1.3.5. I've identified where in the main thread they do that but debugging across threads can be frustrating (for me anyway, maybe some here are awesome at it) |
| 17:12.10 | destinal | anyone who's awesome with it, please help! :) |
| 17:13.05 | egaudet_work | destinal: I am far from awesome at anything, but I can put an eye on it if you direct to me some code |
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| 17:13.25 | destinal | egaudet_work: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=plugins/termplugin.git |
| 17:13.42 | destinal | egaudet_work: let me point you at the lines that I'm referring to, sec |
| 17:14.15 | JMyaDaGod | By some means i doctored back to 1.3.1 is it safe to do OTA to 1.3.5.1 or should i doctor there???? |
| 17:15.06 | destinal | egaudet_work: http://webos.pastebin.com/m1ffa0152 |
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| 17:17.43 | destinal | egaudet_work: so this part is mrvc's code originally. actually I'm not sure about the details of Spawn_Kill, Spawn_Check, Spawn_Delete |
| 17:18.25 | destinal | but this is in the main termplugin.cpp |
| 17:18.50 | egaudet_work | JMyaDaGod: perfect chance to test AUPT! |
| 17:19.56 | JMyaDaGod | ill be a guiny when i return from ihop u gonna be around all day? |
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| 17:20.37 | egaudet_work | JMyaDaGod: off and on |
| 17:20.52 | egaudet_work | destinal: what is the presenting problem? |
| 17:21.29 | JMyaDaGod | ok bbl |
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| 17:22.08 | destinal | egaudet_work: the second time you close terminal it segfaults the luna process (of which it is a part) in Object_Deallocate |
| 17:22.57 | destinal | in the emulator I've occasionally had it take three or four times to crash, but it's almost always the second one |
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| 17:27.11 | PuffTheMagic_ | destinal: yo |
| 17:27.13 | destinal | and actually the spawn stuff seems to be calling fork() so it seem's were using multiple processes as well as multiple threads |
| 17:27.23 | destinal | PuffTheMagic_: hey |
| 17:27.28 | spotter | looks in |
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| 17:28.27 | PuffTheMagic_ | destinal: in Terminus I know that backswipe is registering as a keyboard event but I cant seem to send the proper text to the terminal for the escape to register properly |
| 17:28.37 | PuffTheMagic_ | what should I be sending? |
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| 17:29.31 | destinal | PuffTheMagic_: ascii 27 (decimal) is the code you want to transmit |
| 17:29.45 | PuffTheMagic_ | yeah i was doing that...or so i thought |
| 17:29.53 | destinal | hmm |
| 17:30.16 | PuffTheMagic_ | destinal: in the terminus repo there is src/handlers.c |
| 17:30.34 | PuffTheMagic_ | that is where most of the improvement needs to happen right now if you feel like playing |
| 17:30.47 | PuffTheMagic_ | destinal: i also need to get that code from stty |
| 17:31.11 | destinal | PuffTheMagic_: once terminal is fixed I'll check it out, don't want to abandon it |
| 17:32.28 | destinal | between Zuchmir2 and mrvc either one knows more about it than I do, but I'm the one who's around, so I must try |
| 17:35.39 | destinal | PuffTheMagic_: I know you think we should jump ship from terminal to get terminus going but I'd rather have two options that both actually work :) |
| 17:36.34 | egaudet_work | I'll try to help debug it tonight |
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| 17:39.05 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic_: just so I didn't misinterpret your statement, does the back gesture correctly register as 'esc' and function as expected in terminus? |
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| 17:42.36 | Mousey | good morning internets! |
| 17:43.09 | dug1 | yawns, glares |
| 17:43.36 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 17:45.55 | Rick_work | got morning mousey. |
| 17:47.03 | Rick_work | fever, chilling, headache, joint pain, no sleep, sinus pain, depression, etc. happy happy good morning to you. |
| 17:47.11 | zsoc | Mousey: hello joe |
| 17:47.27 | Mousey | waves, and glees at all the warm greetz |
| 17:47.29 | zsoc | Rick_work: how did you know how my morning went? |
| 17:47.35 | PuffTheMagic_ | fevers are the worst, when u feel like sawing off your body parts at your joints would bring relief |
| 17:48.01 | zsoc | Rick_work: sans depression, that's just silly. webob-internals loves you <.< |
| 17:48.09 | Rick_work | shiver / sweat / loop |
| 17:49.03 | Rick_work | just want to go back to bed. |
| 17:49.26 | Mousey | webob? |
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| 17:49.36 | zsoc | webos := |
| 17:49.43 | Mousey | oooooh!!!! |
| 17:49.47 | Mousey | ..whats that? |
| 17:49.51 | Mousey | ducks! |
| 17:53.56 | PuffTheMagic_ | i love how the pre touchscreen picks up my thumb gestures even with a thick bandaid on |
| 17:54.04 | PuffTheMagic_ | my lappy touchpad dont work like that |
| 17:59.15 | Mousey | yah, i can just barely use it with gloves on |
| 17:59.30 | Mousey | bandaids are far more conductive than cotton |
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| 18:01.00 | tlp | is it possible to submit bug reports to Palm? |
| 18:01.08 | tlp | sure isn't obvious if so. |
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| 18:04.44 | sugardave | tlp: only at the dev forum |
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| 18:05.28 | tlp | I wish they had a bug tracker or something... frustrating. |
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| 18:05.57 | farms | morning all! |
| 18:06.14 | farms | anyone check out the pre plus handson from precentral.net |
| 18:06.51 | Kyusaku | I did |
| 18:07.08 | Kyusaku | I don't find it totally accurate |
| 18:07.29 | farms | what dont you find accuratE? |
| 18:07.55 | Kyusaku | the whole 50 cards thing vs 13 cards |
| 18:08.31 | farms | lol yea, honestly a little overkill |
| 18:08.39 | farms | who launches 50 things at once |
| 18:08.49 | loot_ | raises his hand |
| 18:08.55 | farms | lol i use my bb tour and it bogs down after like 5 |
| 18:08.58 | farms | lol nice loot |
| 18:09.08 | Kyusaku | the Pre isn't as fresh as the Plus is, and probably has a lot more modification. I'd like to see a freshly doctored Pre and freshly doctored Pre Plus battle it out |
| 18:09.27 | farms | oh the battle will begin on the 25th for sure |
| 18:09.32 | farms | im getting mine :) |
| 18:10.06 | Kyusaku | I'll pass, also just because it can open 50 apps it doesn't really say much about OS' overall performance |
| 18:10.27 | egaudet_work | what is unbelieavable about 50 vs. 13 apps? |
| 18:10.35 | egaudet_work | err 16 |
| 18:10.37 | Kyusaku | webos transitions and animations are still choppy |
| 18:10.56 | Kyusaku | no matter how much memory is on there |
| 18:11.15 | farms | those are all os tweaks that can be fixed by palm |
| 18:11.32 | farms | ill give many kudos to palm since the launch of there web os devices |
| 18:11.55 | farms | how many patches have they had since launch? |
| 18:12.29 | egaudet_work | remember the Pre Plus has 256M of extra RAM dedicated completely to extra cards |
| 18:12.57 | egaudet_work | the Pre has what? like less than 100MB dedicated to cards? |
| 18:13.39 | Kyusaku | egaudet: my point is that if you already have a Pre, a Plus isn't a completely different experience, it's same thing with some breathing room for more cards |
| 18:14.03 | ryan_gahl | and the word Plus |
| 18:14.13 | ryan_gahl | which is awesome |
| 18:14.17 | farms | lol |
| 18:14.36 | Mousey | no flite or espeak yet? |
| 18:14.39 | farms | im just really excited to be on VZW's giant 3g network |
| 18:14.59 | Kyusaku | the only thing that really draws me to the Plus is the lack of center button |
| 18:15.45 | farms | just out of curiosity is the media sync playing nice with the latest iteration of iTunes? |
| 18:16.42 | zsoc | farms: sprints network is much faster in my area, just saying things aren't the same everywhere. and much cheaper too |
| 18:17.18 | xcomp|away | i don't think I could ever understand the rationale for switching from sprint to verizon for the pre plus, unless you're so wealthy that the size of your phone bill doesn't matter to you |
| 18:17.20 | farms | i dont knock the other carriers ive just had the best luck with vzw |
| 18:17.48 | xcomp|away | because that's a ridiculously large price tag to pay for 256MB of RAM |
| 18:18.08 | farms | and vzw has revamped their pricing yet again so i think that they are catching on with the price plans |
| 18:18.13 | xcomp|away | not even close |
| 18:18.39 | xcomp|away | talk to me when you can get all the minutes and unlimited data you want for $70 |
| 18:18.52 | xcomp|away | and not pay an extra $10/mo for navigation |
| 18:19.31 | xcomp|away | that vzw price drop was for the suckers who didn't realize just how badly they were getting screwed before |
| 18:19.40 | farms | im a firm believer you pay for what you get, VZW has the most dependable network in my opinion |
| 18:19.48 | Kyusaku | Sprint is pretty solid in NYC, which my core area so I'm happy on Sprint |
| 18:20.08 | xcomp|away | the worst part is that even in the few places where vzw has better coverage than sprint, you can roam on vzw's network for free |
| 18:20.11 | psykoz | VZW has some big issues like AT&T does with saturation and calls being dropped, don't kid yourself |
| 18:20.23 | loot_ | um |
| 18:20.32 | xcomp|away | and people continually fail to appreciate just how good sprint's coverage is |
| 18:20.32 | loot_ | i just use sprint's simply everything |
| 18:20.37 | loot_ | when sprint isnt available |
| 18:20.42 | loot_ | i roam on verizon towers for free anyways |
| 18:20.46 | loot_ | so no point switching to verizon |
| 18:21.00 | loot_ | and |
| 18:21.05 | loot_ | sprints coverage is pretty damn good |
| 18:21.12 | psykoz | being the #1 and #2 carriers has its disadvantages in terms of profitability, having to scale your marketing to keep competitive edge over your direct competition, etc |
| 18:21.22 | loot_ | only been to one tiny rural area that didnt have coverage so far |
| 18:21.30 | psykoz | This allows sprint to obviously not be the best carrier in terms of quantity but focus on keeping a reliable network up at lower costs |
| 18:21.32 | farms | im not saying for anyone to switch to vzw, not knocking sprint either just happy that the pre will be coming to VZW :) |
| 18:21.52 | psykoz | nod |
| 18:21.56 | psykoz | I'm really happy they doubled the RAM in the pre |
| 18:22.02 | psykoz | I can't wait till that revision makes its way down to sprint |
| 18:22.04 | ryan_gahl | vzw = superior service and support, sprint = superior pricing and pretty good service and pretty crappy support |
| 18:22.24 | psykoz | if you can manage to get yourself on a sprint business account (I did) |
| 18:22.26 | psykoz | support rocks there |
| 18:22.35 | loot_ | i want the next pre to have dual core cpu's and a much faster GPU like the iphone 4.0 |
| 18:22.49 | loot_ | ram is a given when upgrading models |
| 18:23.19 | loot_ | psy: sprint business plans dont require your social security # either |
| 18:23.35 | Kyusaku | 4.0 is OS version not the phone itself |
| 18:23.38 | ryan_gahl | i have sprint, my wife has vzw |
| 18:23.41 | farms | the exciting thing about the expansion with more carriers is that palm is tapping a higher user base and if it spins off and sells like hotcakes we can see more apps, better devices, so on so forth |
| 18:24.02 | loot_ | ok excuse me |
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| 18:24.12 | loot_ | iphone 4g with 4.0 firmware |
| 18:24.13 | xcomp|away | yeah no question, we're happy to see palm get on vzw and at&t to expand the userbase |
| 18:24.28 | ryan_gahl | totally |
| 18:24.32 | xcomp|away | but anyone who thinks they're getting a good deal by switching to verizon is nuts |
| 18:24.38 | ryan_gahl | can't wait to get my wife the Plus |
| 18:24.59 | ryan_gahl | she's got some lame samsung "smartphone" |
| 18:25.05 | farms | not the omnia! |
| 18:25.16 | Kyusaku | I don't think Palm is "switching" to Verizon |
| 18:25.30 | xcomp|away | Kyusaku: i mean users who want to switch from sprint to vzw |
| 18:25.45 | Kyusaku | oh, those guys are idiots, for the most part |
| 18:26.00 | Kyusaku | unless your Sprint coverage REAALLY sux |
| 18:26.05 | farms | if you happy with your current carrier why switch |
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| 18:26.17 | farms | both devices have the pre now ;p |
| 18:26.25 | farms | both **carriers |
| 18:26.35 | ryan_gahl | or you value device/gadget lust over carrier loyalty :) |
| 18:26.57 | Kyusaku | ryan: which is every iPhone user |
| 18:27.00 | farms | hahah |
| 18:27.05 | farms | i was just gonna say that |
| 18:27.08 | loot_ | this article angers me |
| 18:27.10 | loot_ | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2356603,00.asp |
| 18:27.16 | loot_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.21 | loot_ | makes no mention of palm or webos |
| 18:27.33 | xcomp|away | ragging on maemo? |
| 18:27.41 | loot_ | and the guys rant of an article is entirely opinion yet he flaunts it as fact |
| 18:27.50 | Mousey | no ragging on maemo allowed |
| 18:27.51 | Mousey | waves fist |
| 18:28.01 | ryan_gahl | rags on maemo |
| 18:28.14 | ryan_gahl | :p |
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| 18:28.42 | egaudet_work | I read the first paragraph so far |
| 18:28.53 | egaudet_work | and the writer is uhh ignorant |
| 18:29.06 | Kyusaku | waste of time |
| 18:29.14 | xcomp|away | yeah, that guy is a moran |
| 18:29.23 | farms | i will NOT be following him on twitter lol |
| 18:29.41 | psykoz | Not to mention opensource is what created OSX ;) |
| 18:29.55 | xcomp|away | and then on twitter he said that "droid and pre plus don't actually compete" |
| 18:29.57 | farms | bsd yessir |
| 18:29.58 | psykoz | So how is opensource phones a failure if OSX is a product of the opensource community? :) |
| 18:30.24 | dBsooner | "Drink Coffee... Do Stupid Things Faster!" |
| 18:30.32 | ryan_gahl | lol |
| 18:30.58 | loot_ | actually |
| 18:31.05 | loot_ | everyone is very misguided in reference to OSX |
| 18:31.11 | loot_ | OS X IS NOT FREEBSD |
| 18:31.17 | loot_ | IT WAS NOT BRANCHED FROM BSD |
| 18:31.25 | ryan_gahl | coffee has to be the best thing ever invented by Darwin |
| 18:31.29 | loot_ | IT USES VERY VERY LIMITED AMOUNTS OF ANY ACTUAL BSD CODE |
| 18:31.35 | loot_ | the kernel is a similar design |
| 18:31.41 | loot_ | a mach microkernel |
| 18:31.43 | dBsooner | ryan_gahl: Aye. It must. |
| 18:31.49 | farms | so just outta curiousity since this is a webos internals room what kind of battery life should i expect from my soon to be pre |
| 18:32.04 | Kyusaku | YMMV |
| 18:32.05 | ryan_gahl | bad :) |
| 18:32.06 | egaudet_work | was coffee really invented? Or is it more of a discovery |
| 18:32.12 | bpadalino|work | caps is serious business |
| 18:32.19 | Mousey | SERIOUS BUSINESS |
| 18:32.19 | egaudet_work | needs more coffee |
| 18:32.31 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: It was an invention. The coffee bean was a discovery. |
| 18:32.38 | loot_ | sometimes you have to yell to get your point across |
| 18:32.45 | ryan_gahl | egaudet_work: Darwin invented life, so therefore coffee |
| 18:32.46 | loot_ | and even then... |
| 18:32.49 | Mousey | WHAT?? |
| 18:32.52 | dBsooner | farms: Some days good.. some bad.. Depends on way too many factors. |
| 18:32.55 | Mousey | is wearing headphones |
| 18:33.05 | dBsooner | farms: If you are a HEAVY user, get some spare chargers. |
| 18:33.14 | dBsooner | farms: If you are an average user.. you should make it a day on a charge. |
| 18:33.17 | Kyusaku | farms: depends on usage and how good your Sprint coverage is |
| 18:33.25 | ryan_gahl | farms: just get 1 extra extended battery and you'll be fine |
| 18:33.33 | loot_ | Kyusaku: that doesnt play as big of a roll as it use to |
| 18:33.36 | xcomp|away | or get a touchstone for your desk |
| 18:33.38 | loot_ | with the latest webos patch level |
| 18:33.51 | loot_ | they finally mitigated the radio signal searching |
| 18:33.53 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: you had lunch yet? |
| 18:34.01 | Kyusaku | in 1.4? |
| 18:34.04 | loot_ | so in low coverage areas your battery doesnt just sit there and drain struggling to find signal |
| 18:34.06 | ryan_gahl | personally, i just don't mind plugging mine into the USB port on the lappy, cuz i'm constantly developing anyway |
| 18:34.07 | loot_ | no |
| 18:34.08 | loot_ | in 1.3.5.1 i think it is |
| 18:34.13 | egaudet_work | i'm skipping lunch today |
| 18:34.14 | dBsooner | Glen Bell, Jr. Died.. So I think I am going to geet me some Taco Bell today to pay respects. |
| 18:34.18 | farms | lol ill be on vzw and the coverage is great where im at, ill be syncing a couple gmails, facebook, and both im accounts |
| 18:34.20 | egaudet_work | meeting in 30 mins |
| 18:34.36 | Kyusaku | well you say "patch level" and I know that 1.4.0 is in testing |
| 18:34.41 | Kyusaku | so I assumed |
| 18:34.42 | xcomp|away | also, my battery life improved significantly when I turned off exchange push |
| 18:34.56 | dtzWill | 'ello everyone :) |
| 18:35.00 | farms | no exchange here |
| 18:35.02 | ryan_gahl | dtzWill: thank you for vba!!!!! |
| 18:35.12 | dBsooner | Kyusaku: no.. "a new version of webOS is in testing" |
| 18:35.12 | dtzWill | does anyone know anything about what is responsible for the cursor ripple effect on the pre? |
| 18:35.13 | farms | morning will |
| 18:35.14 | ryan_gahl | (btw) |
| 18:35.22 | dtzWill | ryan_gahl: haha no problem at all. glad you enjoy it |
| 18:35.23 | Kyusaku | with 1.3.5 IMAP Push email barely works for me |
| 18:35.39 | dtzWill | i seem to recall some discussion a while back about the cursor, but maybe i made that up |
| 18:35.58 | farms | Seriously @Kyusaku |
| 18:36.36 | Kyusaku | I find my Tweed notifications much more reliable than my Email ones, that's kinda sad |
| 18:36.53 | loot_ | reliable? |
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| 18:37.02 | farms | lol i hope thats not the case with me |
| 18:37.17 | loot_ | my phone always notifies me of email no problem... no reliability issues there |
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| 18:37.44 | destinal | ~seen tharris |
| 18:37.48 | infobot | tharris <n=chatzill@pool-96-228-230-11.tampfl.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 147d 22h 29m 23s ago, saying: 'wonder who will ask the security questions =p'. |
| 18:37.56 | destinal | ~seen tlharris |
| 18:37.56 | infobot | i haven't seen 'tlharris', destinal |
| 18:38.12 | destinal | ~seen tharris_ |
| 18:38.13 | infobot | i haven't seen 'tharris_', destinal |
| 18:38.18 | destinal | :( |
| 18:39.12 | Kyusaku | loot_: every day I open Email app to see it pull 2-3 Emails I was never notified about |
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| 18:39.24 | Kyusaku | from each account |
| 18:39.37 | Kyusaku | And I have about 4 Email accounts |
| 18:40.08 | Kyusaku | I'm thinking of trying to remove the accounts and re-add them |
| 18:40.12 | destinal | dtzWill: LunaSysMgr does the ripple on touch. see, ShowReticle=true in /etc/palm/luna.conf |
| 18:40.26 | dtzWill | destinal: you're amazing. ty |
| 18:40.33 | destinal | yw |
| 18:40.48 | dtzWill | destinal: not to ask for *everything* but do you know of any way presently to disable that temporarily? |
| 18:40.51 | loot_ | Kyusaku: never seen that before |
| 18:41.03 | destinal | dtzWill: ShowReticle=false |
| 18:41.08 | loot_ | 3 of the 4 email accounts sync'ing to my phone are google though |
| 18:41.14 | loot_ | shrugs |
| 18:41.31 | destinal | dtzWill: if palm updates the default luna.conf in a future release it won't really be permanent, but what is? |
| 18:41.37 | dtzWill | destinal: sorry i meant for a program. i didn't know that luna would pick up on that file's changes. ty |
| 18:41.52 | Kyusaku | loot: 3 are Gmail, 1 is Gmail Domain |
| 18:41.57 | destinal | dtzWill: oh! you mean for a program to request that luna change that setting? |
| 18:41.57 | loot_ | ya |
| 18:42.00 | loot_ | 1 is gmail for me |
| 18:42.01 | dtzWill | destinal: the issue is that 'reticle' or whatever takes a stupid amount of processing power to draw, and i wanted to disable it within my program |
| 18:42.02 | loot_ | 2 are google apps |
| 18:42.10 | loot_ | 4th one is on some random provider |
| 18:42.10 | dtzWill | destinal: so tapping on the screen quickly kills performance for no good reason |
| 18:42.17 | loot_ | i think they're all IMAP'ing though |
| 18:42.21 | dtzWill | destinal: making on screen controls unnecessarily difficult/bad |
| 18:42.27 | loot_ | check your account settings |
| 18:42.30 | loot_ | and see how often its polling |
| 18:42.31 | Kyusaku | I have a random provider but I set that as manual because i never use it |
| 18:42.43 | Kyusaku | they're set to as items arrive |
| 18:42.51 | loot_ | ahh ok |
| 18:42.53 | loot_ | i dont use that |
| 18:42.55 | dtzWill | destinal: someone said nfs changes it at least which is a start, but i don't wanna buy it just to strace my way to some api haha |
| 18:42.57 | loot_ | i use every 5 minutes i think |
| 18:43.23 | Kyusaku | yah, that's not IMAP push, I'm talking about IMAP push. |
| 18:43.44 | destinal | dtzWill: oh, NFSU does that? |
| 18:43.45 | farms | as items arrive = push |
| 18:44.02 | destinal | dtzWill: checking xplane |
| 18:44.05 | Kyusaku | I think I'm gonna remove the accounts and re-add |
| 18:44.09 | loot_ | ive heard that it drains your battery |
| 18:44.12 | loot_ | so i avoided it |
| 18:44.18 | farms | push? |
| 18:44.20 | loot_ | plus 5 minutes is plenty for me |
| 18:44.21 | loot_ | ya |
| 18:44.25 | destinal | alas xplane has reticle |
| 18:44.28 | dtzWill | destinal: i haven't seen it, but someone said it does. sorry. glyder 2 doesn't |
| 18:44.28 | Kyusaku | loot_: only if you get a lot of emails a day |
| 18:44.33 | dtzWill | destinal: thanks for checking though |
| 18:44.39 | loot_ | Kyusaku: i do... i get thousands of emails a day |
| 18:44.53 | farms | oh :( yea im not an email hound on my phone, at work is a different story |
| 18:45.20 | Kyusaku | well then yeah that would be a bit of a drain |
| 18:45.29 | Kyusaku | my boxes aren't that crazy |
| 18:45.47 | loot_ | 2 boxes are private 2 are for companies i own |
| 18:45.53 | loot_ | so sometimes i get hammered with email |
| 18:46.46 | farms | i know the feeling |
| 18:47.13 | farms | has anyone added other universal search providers like craigslist and ebay? |
| 18:47.53 | loot_ | once flash is released |
| 18:48.07 | loot_ | something tells me there is going to be a porn explosion for webos/android |
| 18:48.07 | farms | ? |
| 18:48.17 | farms | hahahahaha |
| 18:48.20 | Kyusaku | farms: yes it's possible |
| 18:48.32 | loot_ | i guarantee you |
| 18:48.38 | loot_ | dedicated sites will appear |
| 18:48.38 | Kyusaku | farms: but there's no like tool to easily do it |
| 18:48.46 | loot_ | to stream porn content to webos/android phones |
| 18:49.01 | Kyusaku | farms: gotta manually edit code |
| 18:49.11 | farms | yea i was reading into it on the webos internals site |
| 18:49.27 | farms | i wanna do craigslist and ebay |
| 18:49.45 | farms | tried tinkering with the emulator but no dice, so ill just wait till i have the device to dig in |
| 18:50.13 | farms | what im worried about if a patch gets rolled out will it overwrite everything that i have one |
| 18:50.35 | Kyusaku | ys/no |
| 18:50.41 | Kyusaku | yes/no* |
| 18:50.48 | farms | :( |
| 18:50.49 | destinal | dtzWill: I just strings'd pdl and napp libs again, nothing that looks like it |
| 18:50.49 | Kyusaku | depends what the update changes |
| 18:51.10 | Kyusaku | farms: I've heard rumors that 1.4 will bring Bing search, so yes |
| 18:51.33 | loot_ | god i hope not |
| 18:51.41 | farms | an app that gave you the ability to change universal search providers would be awesome! |
| 18:51.41 | loot_ | bing is the worst search engine ever |
| 18:51.49 | loot_ | i will promptly change that if they do it |
| 18:52.04 | farms | from what i saw youll be able to select between bing and google |
| 18:52.58 | loot_ | microsoft should stick to what they're good at... buying companies with competing software and trashing it... oh and being greedy manipulative bastards |
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| 18:53.11 | Kyusaku | would be nice to have an app to add remove searches |
| 18:53.35 | Kyusaku | maybe one day Palm will add an interface to do it within the OS itself |
| 18:53.40 | dtzWill | destinal: yeah i can't find any suspect symbols either |
| 18:53.57 | Kyusaku | like how browsers have that whole search provider thing |
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| 18:58.39 | farms | well its been great chatting with you all, ive gtg see you all later |
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| 19:02.38 | Abyssul | hello |
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| 19:13.44 | zsoc | dtzWill: I think the 'temp ripple off' is a still sekrat pdl api, as changing luna.conf requires restarting luna, iirc |
| 19:17.06 | Abyssul | Note to self: Read patch has compiled before installing. |
| 19:17.13 | loot_ | http://blog.jolexa.net/2010/01/18/gentoo-prefix-arm-hardware/ |
| 19:18.22 | loot_ | if that works well |
| 19:18.34 | loot_ | i might try putting a gentoo chroot'd ARM userland on my pre |
| 19:19.07 | loot_ | the article references hardware thats running a similar arm cortex a8 so the repos should be as is for usage |
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| 19:22.00 | zsoc | loot_: why not use crossdev? building on-device is sllllloooooowwwwwwpoke |
| 19:22.14 | zsoc | + existing debian chroot supports optware repos etc |
| 19:22.53 | loot_ | i dont plan on building on the device |
| 19:23.09 | loot_ | the repo i believe is for package builds |
| 19:23.31 | zsoc | oh I see... hmmm |
| 19:23.48 | zsoc | you mean in addition to optware, that's interesting |
| 19:23.50 | loot_ | it will probably be easier to maintain programs with complex dependencies entirely outside of webos |
| 19:23.55 | loot_ | yea exactly |
| 19:24.02 | loot_ | like |
| 19:24.03 | loot_ | metasploit |
| 19:24.09 | loot_ | have you tried getting that to work on webos? |
| 19:24.15 | loot_ | its very particular about ruby and how its compiled |
| 19:24.17 | zsoc | I'd be curious about compatibility, but might be worth a shot. I'm pretty familiar with gentoo |
| 19:24.24 | loot_ | and has some other not so webos friendly dependencies |
| 19:24.39 | loot_ | i dont see there being much of a compat issue |
| 19:24.40 | zsoc | loot_: much of that works in debian chroot... |
| 19:24.45 | loot_ | its an entirely seperate userland |
| 19:24.50 | zsoc | but another option is always nice |
| 19:24.52 | loot_ | ill just chroot a bash shell to it |
| 19:25.07 | loot_ | plus |
| 19:25.15 | loot_ | if i have time |
| 19:25.15 | zsoc | yes I understand how jailed userlands work :) I have 2 on my pre now... |
| 19:25.33 | loot_ | i might mess with some gcc flags like stack protector and -fPIC |
| 19:25.41 | loot_ | build a hardened userland to sandbox things on my phone with |
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| 19:25.50 | loot_ | coupled with my custom built and patched grsec kernel |
| 19:25.51 | loot_ | :> |
| 19:26.08 | zsoc | loot_: please do, and put the docs on the wiki under Gentoo :) |
| 19:26.14 | zsoc | docs / howtos |
| 19:26.21 | loot_ | i started a doc for the wiki already for rwhitby |
| 19:26.25 | loot_ | for the grsecurity kernel |
| 19:26.33 | loot_ | never ended up finishing it and posting though |
| 19:26.34 | loot_ | :( |
| 19:27.17 | loot_ | surprisingly grsec plays fairly well with webos |
| 19:27.30 | loot_ | there are some things that need to be tweaked though for everything to properly function |
| 19:27.33 | loot_ | using paxctl |
| 19:27.44 | loot_ | but other than that it works great... no noticable performance hit |
| 19:27.54 | ryan_gahl | Hungry-Man entrees FTW |
| 19:29.06 | loot_ | although |
| 19:29.19 | loot_ | im fairly sure 99.9999% of webos users will not need a hardened kernel |
| 19:29.43 | zsoc | loot_: much of what we've already accomplished is due to the specialties of the involved developers, I believe much more is possible using the experience of newly interested developers :) |
| 19:30.11 | loot_ | eventually we could put together a whole webos hardening guide |
| 19:30.12 | loot_ | but |
| 19:30.19 | loot_ | theres still 1 fatal flaw IMO when it comes to webos |
| 19:30.21 | zsoc | installs thermite in his phone, and a spark triggered by a special text message string |
| 19:30.25 | loot_ | the fact that everything runs as root! |
| 19:30.34 | zsoc | loot_: it will be fixed :) |
| 19:30.35 | loot_ | i understand why they did it |
| 19:30.36 | loot_ | ya |
| 19:30.42 | loot_ | just saying for the time being |
| 19:30.44 | loot_ | until thats fixed |
| 19:30.44 | en0x | why why why? |
| 19:30.46 | en0x | :> |
| 19:30.48 | loot_ | any other hardening is irrelevant |
| 19:31.19 | loot_ | en0x: faster deployment plain and simple |
| 19:31.29 | ryan_gahl | i learn so much just hanging out here |
| 19:31.41 | Abyssul | dbsooner: New patches by yours truly. |
| 19:36.30 | destinal | dtzWill: hmm, maybe BrowserServer: BrowserServerBase::msgRemoveSelectionReticle(YapProxy*) |
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| 19:37.39 | destinal | is a clue |
| 19:38.28 | destinal | dtzWill: I may buy NFSU (have been considering it since it looks fun) and dbus trace |
| 19:38.44 | grndslm | hey dudez... you guys think it'd be possible to make a patch that was able to scroll up or down on any launcher page, or any page in general, with the spacebar/ period buttons?? ... like the browser multi-mod patch does?? |
| 19:38.47 | grndslm | or is that just too much? |
| 19:39.08 | grndslm | preware definitely needs that feature for the list of everything |
| 19:39.13 | grndslm | that's request #3 i have |
| 19:39.17 | grndslm | :D |
| 19:39.38 | destinal | zsoc: I don't know how they can fix it for the monolithic LunaSysMgr process |
| 19:40.04 | destinal | if apps were other processes they could be run with other euid's but since it's all the same PID... |
| 19:40.47 | destinal | now for type: game apps and services and such, yeah, that shouldn't be too hard to fix |
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| 19:42.47 | dtzWill | destinal: interesting. yeah i'm looking at BrowserAdapter.so presently to see how that's handling that. |
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| 19:43.22 | hape_ | rwhitby: Thanks for adding the info to the navit post |
| 19:44.47 | LoneStar99 | i heard something about an official on screen keyboard on webos 1.3.5, is that right? |
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| 19:47.28 | destinal-wirc1 | not that I've heard of |
| 19:47.58 | LoneStar99 | oh, i only heard it once in the webos irc... just checking |
| 19:48.50 | destinal-wirc1 | I know there's a catalog app with a virt kbd and copies to clipboard |
| 19:49.15 | destinal-wirc1 | not so great |
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| 19:51.16 | ostsued | whats about the two new trunks in git? n64pre and psx4pre |
| 19:52.01 | mw | What does /usr/bin/PalmClassic do? |
| 19:52.49 | Rick_work | it's the binary files for the palm classic emulator |
| 19:53.44 | mw | +Rick_work: How is it related to Motion Apps' Classic app then? |
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| 19:55.59 | zsoc | ostsued: what about them? |
| 19:57.09 | destinal-wirc1 | mw: it's complicated but goes app to plugin to external binary |
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| 19:58.02 | dBsooner | Abyssul: aye. |
| 19:59.40 | mw | destinal-wirc1: OK - so PalmClassic actually provides the environment and then MotionApps provides the Mojo/Luna app that accesses the service to start/run PalmClassic. |
| 20:00.13 | destinal-wirc1 | not a service |
| 20:00.45 | destinal-wirc1 | there's a motionapps plugin (npapi) |
| 20:01.00 | destinal-wirc1 | the classic mojo app embeds the plugin |
| 20:02.13 | mw | Does Palm provide developer docs on using PalmClassic? |
| 20:02.26 | destinal-wirc1 | the plugin takes keyboard and touchscreen input and handles video output but it runs palmclassic binary and connects keyboard,ts,and video to that program |
| 20:02.52 | destinal-wirc1 | mw: palmclassic isn't something you can develop |
| 20:03.05 | destinal-wirc1 | it's a program for emulating palmos |
| 20:03.48 | mw | Is it possible to run the PalmClassic emulator w/o MotionApps? |
| 20:04.11 | destinal-wirc1 | uh, motionapps made it |
| 20:04.56 | destinal-wirc1 | I'm not understanding what you want to do |
| 20:05.39 | mw | I'm poking around on my Pre and I see /usr/bin/PalmClassic is already there, however, I've never installed MotionApps Classic. |
| 20:06.19 | destinal-wirc1 | classic is a three tier program. mojo app and native plugin and native external binary |
| 20:06.31 | cmusik | hi all - my navit porting project is still not working properly, but i have a simple programm which show the problem |
| 20:06.36 | destinal-wirc1 | all three parts are made by motionapps |
| 20:06.47 | mw | I'm considering porting POSE to the Pre. |
| 20:07.00 | cmusik | maybe some has time and knowledge to have a look at it - http://senfdax.de/~christof/glib-test.zip |
| 20:07.09 | mw | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pose/ |
| 20:07.13 | destinal-wirc1 | palm distributes the plugin and binary for them as part of webos |
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| 20:07.35 | destinal-wirc1 | but it's still motionapps program |
| 20:07.46 | Mousey | why is there still no jabber client? =( |
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| 20:07.52 | Mousey | nor syncml client? |
| 20:07.59 | Mousey | does the world just hate me? |
| 20:08.26 | FuManChuu | Any OSX users here? |
| 20:08.33 | mw | OK - then the mojo app is the part that MotionApps provides; seems like a pretty cozy relationship; I hope Palm is getting a commission on Classic sales :) |
| 20:08.35 | ShadeS | i use OSX |
| 20:08.41 | ShadeS | i can't say I legitmately use osx |
| 20:08.44 | ShadeS | but yeah |
| 20:08.49 | ShadeS | this isn't a 'no hackintosh' channel |
| 20:08.55 | ShadeS | osx is sweet |
| 20:08.58 | destinal-wirc1 | mw: motionapps provides all three parts |
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| 20:09.02 | Kyusaku | Mousey: the world is not ready for you |
| 20:09.04 | ShadeS | it's like *nix with boobs, a nice DDrack |
| 20:09.06 | FuManChuu | well, this is just surface level |
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| 20:09.18 | FuManChuu | is than an irc client, that doesn't suck |
| 20:09.20 | FuManChuu | and isn't 40 dollars |
| 20:09.27 | destinal-wirc1 | mw: but there's no official way for an ipk on catalog to install a plugin yet |
| 20:09.29 | Mousey | wirc |
| 20:09.31 | Mousey | doesn't suck |
| 20:09.36 | Mousey | isn't $40 |
| 20:09.42 | FuManChuu | for OSX O_o |
| 20:09.45 | mw | destinal: Gotcha. Thanks! |
| 20:09.47 | Mousey | oh |
| 20:09.50 | Mousey | you're screwed |
| 20:09.54 | FuManChuu | :P |
| 20:09.55 | destinal-wirc1 | mw: so palm distributes plugin and binary on base system for them |
| 20:09.56 | FuManChuu | x-chat aqua isn't horrid |
| 20:09.59 | FuManChuu | but its not good |
| 20:10.01 | Mousey | maybe adium's irc plugin |
| 20:10.07 | Mousey | oh yea, xchat aqua |
| 20:10.15 | destinal-wirc1 | yeah it's a special relationship I suppose you could say |
| 20:10.19 | FuManChuu | i just want some stuff with menu based on-performs |
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| 20:10.29 | FuManChuu | i dont wanna have to try and remember how to write some stupid script |
| 20:10.36 | FuManChuu | to connect to a couple networks / channels on launch |
| 20:10.44 | FuManChuu | but, i use adium, so ill fiddle around with its irc client a bit |
| 20:11.34 | destinal-wirc1 | mw: thing is,you could probably write your own mojo app to wrap their plugin |
| 20:11.52 | destinal-wirc1 | i m not recommending it but it's interesting |
| 20:12.03 | dBsooner | Abyssul: How about "New Email Vibrate to ..." |
| 20:12.50 | VincentLaw | FuManChuu: only worthwhile IRC client on Mac is Linkinus. No, it's not free. |
| 20:13.09 | VincentLaw | there's also Colloquy, which is free, but horrid to use |
| 20:13.19 | FuManChuu | thought Colloq was charge |
| 20:13.20 | mw | That's what I was thinking as it would be easier to leverage what's there instead of building a whole new stack. PalmOS ROMs present another difficulty for folks setting up POSE. |
| 20:13.49 | Kyusaku | Mac, the OS that keeps on draining your wallet. |
| 20:14.10 | destinal-wirc1 | mw: If you write a mojo app to run classic I bet motionapps will try to lock it down |
| 20:14.16 | VincentLaw | no colloquy is free at least on OS X. dunno about its iphone app |
| 20:14.40 | mw | destinal: I'll be sure to take a backup first then :) |
| 20:14.41 | ShadeS | i'm sorry |
| 20:14.44 | ShadeS | if there is terminal |
| 20:14.45 | dtzWill | do we have any resident graphic artists? :) hoping for someone to help me create some onscreen controls for vba |
| 20:14.46 | ShadeS | there is bitchx |
| 20:14.50 | ShadeS | if there is bitchx you're set |
| 20:14.58 | ShadeS | irssi is a distant second |
| 20:14.58 | destinal-wirc1 | but the rom is there |
| 20:14.59 | destinal-wirc1 | on base phone |
| 20:15.12 | VincentLaw | dtzWill: "steal" quake's :p |
| 20:16.00 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: i was hoping for something that looked like a gba more or less |
| 20:16.17 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: and quake's was designed to look a little 'rough'--something more appropriate for the game itself |
| 20:16.25 | VincentLaw | I could probably give it a try tonight |
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| 20:16.57 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: and not sure that a virtual joystick, cool as it might be, is appropriate for a gameboy emulator. don't know that it isn't but i'd rather start straightforward and try special things later |
| 20:16.57 | VincentLaw | I assume this is for the sideways orientation? :p |
| 20:17.05 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: no actually it's not for landscape. |
| 20:17.06 | destinal-wirc1 | mw: I'd like to try running garnet |
| 20:17.14 | VincentLaw | oh |
| 20:17.19 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: although if you have a good idea how that'd go i would listen |
| 20:17.22 | VincentLaw | then it'd be kinda hard to make it look GBA-like :p |
| 20:17.24 | destinal-wirc1 | from maemo |
| 20:17.44 | VincentLaw | but I'll do both then |
| 20:17.54 | VincentLaw | starting with portrait |
| 20:17.58 | VincentLaw | lawl |
| 20:18.06 | VincentLaw | silly will and his router |
| 20:18.07 | mw | destinal: :) I have one of those too. The phone part of the Pre makes it my preferred carry-around device though. |
| 20:18.27 | ShadeS | i'm kind of pissed |
| 20:18.33 | ShadeS | you guys remember how there were pagers back in the day |
| 20:18.44 | ShadeS | where is my 'all in one device' that does everything EXCEPT voice communications |
| 20:18.45 | mw | destinal: http://www.maemoapps.com/2008/05/29/garnet-vm-beta-2-released/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+featuredmaemoapps+(Featured+Maemo+Apps) |
| 20:18.47 | destinal-wirc1 | well we may be able to run garnet on pre |
| 20:18.58 | ShadeS | i thhought there was a classic emulator already |
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| 20:19.15 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: portrait i was hoping we could use the same one for gb/gba and just the extra buttons do nothing. simpler code, simpler interface. but that means that the scaled gb games take more space |
| 20:19.18 | destinal-wirc1 | yah but garnet is better I thinkk |
| 20:19.22 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: oh damn i got d/c'd GRRR |
| 20:19.24 | mw | ShadeS: Other than MotionApps' $30 one? |
| 20:19.38 | zsoc | VincentLaw: I believe 'sideways' and 'landscape' are synonymous in this context |
| 20:19.41 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: talk to me about dimensions if you do take a crack please |
| 20:19.48 | ShadeS | yeah |
| 20:19.53 | ShadeS | thepiratebay's free one ;p |
| 20:20.09 | VincentLaw | dtzWill: yes you did :p |
| 20:20.12 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: the reason i wasn't using landscape is that making it an alpha /overlay/ is presently too expensive |
| 20:20.13 | zsoc | dtzWill: I can do the graphics in a bout 2 hours from now |
| 20:20.34 | mw | ShadeS: Free as in "no longer inside the law"? :-P |
| 20:20.55 | ShadeS | whatever |
| 20:20.58 | VincentLaw | okay so you don't want a full 320x480 image |
| 20:20.59 | ShadeS | you're telling me you don't ever break the law? |
| 20:21.05 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: so if you want/can design something nice we can scale gb/gba _less_ and then have controls on each side. that'd be great although a tinyh bit of work |
| 20:21.08 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: no |
| 20:21.10 | dtzWill | zsoc: okay that sounds great |
| 20:21.15 | mw | Here's a better link for the GarnetVM from Access: http://www.access-company.com/products/gvm/index.html |
| 20:21.19 | ShadeS | I bet you're one of those mfers who turns on red before stopping his vechile completley ;p |
| 20:21.33 | dtzWill | don't mean to make a graphics race, I just want something that isn't the really lame barebones circle and rectangles i would probably do :P |
| 20:21.50 | ShadeS | it's not like you can't pay them at any time later should you feel guilty and or feel the software is worth the price |
| 20:21.51 | VincentLaw | hey if zsoc wants to tackle it that's fine :p |
| 20:21.57 | zsoc | dtzWill: just to confirm, this is for portrait or landscape |
| 20:22.07 | dtzWill | zsoc: do you understand all i was getting at with the dimensions? basically _ideally_ these would work well for both, although if you think that's graphically ugly or bad I can be convinced otherwise |
| 20:22.11 | dtzWill | zsoc: both==gb/gba |
| 20:22.11 | zsoc | VincentLaw: if you can do yours now, go for it :) and I'll check them out |
| 20:22.18 | dtzWill | zsoc: oh well either. |
| 20:22.32 | zsoc | dtzWill: I think I understand the concept |
| 20:22.35 | dtzWill | zsoc: I was doing portrait b/c that was more straightforward with current implementation? but if you think you can do both I can write both in |
| 20:23.28 | dtzWill | zsoc: yeah the problem is that gb/gba screens have diff aspect ratios so scaled they take up slightly different sizes. additionally in landscape we'll have to do something... else than what we currently do b/c gba fits perfectly so it fully scaled leaves *no* room for controls |
| 20:23.30 | zsoc | dtzWill: does landscape work, resource wise? |
| 20:23.47 | VincentLaw | I won't be doing mine until I finish bug-checking this PHP code, but that won't be too long (less than an hour I hope >.>) |
| 20:23.49 | dtzWill | zsoc: landscape works, but not as an overlay. so we'd scale the image less and have controls on the end. |
| 20:23.52 | zsoc | dtzWill: well one we can alpha? |
| 20:23.58 | dtzWill | zsoc: alpha is currently out |
| 20:24.00 | zsoc | oic |
| 20:24.05 | ShadeS | so uh |
| 20:24.12 | ShadeS | that nexus fone has a 5mp camera and a 1ghz processor? |
| 20:24.12 | zsoc | dtzWill: so these controls should NOT have alpha layers? |
| 20:24.20 | zsoc | ShadeS: and? |
| 20:24.23 | ShadeS | it wasn't long ago since my desktop had a processor that fast... |
| 20:24.32 | dtzWill | zsoc: we're tight on execution speed and I can't get opengl to not _crawl_ when i enable alpha processing |
| 20:24.39 | zsoc | ShadeS: mhz aren't everything |
| 20:24.46 | FuManChuu | heh |
| 20:24.49 | ShadeS | no, but it's like, a good chun |
| 20:24.50 | zsoc | dtzWill: ok, did we fix the ripple issue? |
| 20:24.51 | ShadeS | k |
| 20:25.05 | FuManChuu | file listings wouldnt be any different using novaterm vs ssh/sudo root right? |
| 20:25.24 | dtzWill | zsoc: yes no alpha layers. is that too limiting? it's not the best but i think with some design we could make it stellar anyway. and a.. justification argument can be made that this way we don't obscure the screen ;) |
| 20:25.28 | dtzWill | zsoc: we did not. |
| 20:25.29 | zsoc | ShadeS: only in certain context. psx had a 33mhz chip and it's still difficult to emulate on 600-1000mhz processos |
| 20:25.53 | dtzWill | zsoc: i disabled rippling and tapping on the screen still slows execution, but not as much. so I'm not sure what that's about but we'll just have to deal with it afaict |
| 20:25.58 | ShadeS | i thought playstation had a much faster processor |
| 20:26.03 | zsoc | dtzWill: I'll take a shot. been awhile since I flexed any graphical muscles. size suggestions? |
| 20:26.08 | dtzWill | zsoc: althogh at some point i'll make for sure that it's not something silly my thing is doing |
| 20:26.40 | ryan_gahl | ok guys... please let me know what you think of this: http://imgur.com/cPI5b.png (imgur downgraded the quality a bit, but you get the gist) |
| 20:27.23 | mw | destinal: webOS 1.3.5.1 uses kernel 2.6.24 and X Windows (Xomap). Has anyone ported X to webOS yet? |
| 20:27.43 | dtzWill | zsoc: sure. the portrait one would go below the image i was thinking (again since you're the graphical guy feel free to disagree with my vision, I'm flexible for sure, but for now...) the scaled gba takes 320x240, the gb/gtbc takes 320x288 so that leaves 320x192 for the portrait controls |
| 20:27.44 | destinal | mw: what do you mean it uses X? |
| 20:27.55 | FuManChuu | is there a simple reason why the PmConnectionManager wouldn't be in the /usr/bin folder? |
| 20:27.59 | mw | Maemo uses X for it's windowing system. |
| 20:28.37 | destinal | mw: so, no, not yet, but I think a lot of SDL apps on maemo don't need a lot of X |
| 20:28.46 | dtzWill | zsoc: the landscape I'm not entirely sure since we'll have to change how much we scale them by to accomidate. the gb/gbc are 160x144 unscaled, gba are 240x160 unscaled.. i guess we'll have to play with scaling on both to see what makes sense and leaves enough space for controls |
| 20:28.48 | destinal | we may be able to implement some functions |
| 20:28.56 | dtzWill | zsoc: the latter issue is why i first wasn't dealing with landscape |
| 20:29.00 | dtzWill | oh FFS did i disconnect again |
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| 20:29.23 | dBsooner | FuManChuu: Because palm took it out of later builds |
| 20:29.54 | dtzWill | ARGH this router. |
| 20:29.56 | FuManChuu | hrm, then how do people claim that ssh/script less tether still works on 1.3.5.1 |
| 20:29.57 | dtzWill | goes to punt it out the window |
| 20:29.57 | VincentLaw | no you didn't disconnect until after you said that, will :p |
| 20:29.57 | FuManChuu | Lies! |
| 20:30.09 | dBsooner | i don't think I have seen PmConnectionManager in a long time |
| 20:30.11 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: okay ty |
| 20:30.22 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: sorry just super frustrating when i keep losing messages in the middle of talking! |
| 20:30.25 | dtzWill | :) |
| 20:30.28 | VincentLaw | lawl yeah |
| 20:30.46 | VincentLaw | btw I don't know if you were here when I did it, but I'm CoolMatty, name changed :p |
| 20:31.02 | FuManChuu | http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/191082-tethered-pre-without-any-apps-ssh-scripts-8.html |
| 20:31.06 | FuManChuu | was just trying to follow that :> |
| 20:31.18 | dBsooner | FuManChuu: Unless PmConnectionManager comes with some of the Carrier IPK's. |
| 20:31.20 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: i might have been but didn't notice. good to know. |
| 20:31.30 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: i know you were complaining you didn't like your nick or some such |
| 20:31.47 | mw | destinal: The apps call SDL, but it seems X is still in the pipe: http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-developers@maemo.org/msg14413.html |
| 20:32.01 | destinal | mw: yes that's because of hildon I expect |
| 20:32.07 | dBsooner | but PmConnectionManager is NOT in any of the webosdoctors |
| 20:32.07 | destinal | I think we can implement a subset |
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| 20:32.21 | mw | detsinal: I'm checking to see how Java under Luna is accessing /dev/video. |
| 20:32.25 | dBsooner | or maybe its in a doctor, but not saved to the phone. I can't remember. |
| 20:32.31 | destinal | mw: uh, it's not? |
| 20:32.41 | FuManChuu | hrm, either way, i don't have access to it, and thats a bummer O_o |
| 20:32.44 | destinal | mw: all the java stuff is services, not UI |
| 20:33.09 | mw | doh! my bad. |
| 20:33.26 | destinal | LunaSysMgr, the binary, accesses /dev/fb0 and maybe other stuff |
| 20:33.39 | Kyusaku | from what I remember pmconnectionmanager wasn't really an app at all, it just set up some ip tables or something |
| 20:33.58 | ryan_gahl | testicles |
| 20:33.59 | FuManChuu | ah |
| 20:34.04 | FuManChuu | PmNetConfigManager |
| 20:34.08 | ryan_gahl | s/icles// |
| 20:34.10 | FuManChuu | apparently contains the same jazz |
| 20:34.57 | destinal | VincentLaw: http://omploader.org/vM2JlbA/snes9x |
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| 20:37.53 | destinal | VincentLaw: still interested in testing? I'm sure the keymap is horrid |
| 20:38.46 | VincentLaw | sure |
| 20:38.57 | ryan_gahl | any takers on giving me an opinion on the WebOS Internals skin for my calculator? (pretty please with gravy on top?) |
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| 20:39.12 | destinal | VincentLaw: snag that, throw a rom out there and ./snes9x whatever.rom |
| 20:39.20 | VincentLaw | okay, i was gonna ask if that's a binary or not :p |
| 20:39.32 | destinal | help me revise my speed estimate, I'm thinking now that it's not 100% speed after all |
| 20:39.43 | VincentLaw | sure will |
| 20:40.11 | dtzWill | destinal: !!! nice |
| 20:40.29 | dtzWill | destinal: that in git somewhere? |
| 20:40.42 | dtzWill | destinal: and 100%?? |
| 20:41.09 | destinal | dtzWill: uh, not quite probably. it feels fast but mainly there's no sound and I'm starting to think maybe it's slightly under 100% speed. |
| 20:41.15 | destinal | hard to tell though, it's close |
| 20:41.48 | VincentLaw | I'm going to test with mario kart first |
| 20:41.53 | VincentLaw | wonder why my ssh is SLOW today :/ |
| 20:41.57 | destinal | VincentLaw: my test was with zelda, but that's me :) |
| 20:42.12 | destinal | oh and I haven't touched the keymap, I couldn't tell you what does what |
| 20:42.18 | ryan_gahl | resigns to trying again later |
| 20:42.19 | destinal | I kind of muddled through |
| 20:42.20 | VincentLaw | ohjoy :D |
| 20:42.31 | VincentLaw | does it accept config files? |
| 20:42.47 | VincentLaw | meh I'll look into it here in a sec :p |
| 20:43.52 | VincentLaw | lol it's sideways :D |
| 20:43.55 | destinal | dtzWill: I'll look at setting up a git repo here. I had been reconsidering my choice of snes9x and so never really pursued it until VincentLaw and others seemed interested |
| 20:44.08 | destinal | VincentLaw: yeah, it needs a rotation for sure :) |
| 20:44.18 | dtzWill | destinal: yeah, lots of interest! |
| 20:44.37 | dtzWill | destinal: yeah i had no idea what snes would be best to port, glad you got one working though :) |
| 20:44.50 | zsoc | dtzWill: hmm.. I have a good idea for portrait controls.. we'll see I suppose |
| 20:45.09 | dtzWill | zsoc: great. if you want to make solid portrait controls and we figure out landscape for a later release... that's very very fine by me. |
| 20:45.18 | zsoc | dtzWill: R and L can be above the game right? |
| 20:45.20 | destinal | VincentLaw: what you're using is literally what came out of make the first time I got it to build |
| 20:45.21 | VincentLaw | lol what the heck? |
| 20:45.27 | VincentLaw | this control scheme is whack :D |
| 20:45.35 | destinal | VincentLaw: so uh, it's not really ported |
| 20:45.39 | destinal | :P |
| 20:45.43 | VincentLaw | JUI and G for movement |
| 20:45.44 | VincentLaw | that's fine |
| 20:45.56 | VincentLaw | I'll play with it, hopefully I can get it to take some .cfg |
| 20:46.10 | destinal | VincentLaw: any guess on speed? |
| 20:46.12 | destinal | % |
| 20:46.21 | dtzWill | zsoc: err i guess |
| 20:46.25 | dtzWill | zsoc: but that sounds .... bad? |
| 20:46.39 | dtzWill | zsoc: oh you mean for access with your other fingers haha hmm |
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| 20:46.48 | dtzWill | zsoc: alright i'll knuckle down and add another texture for that :) |
| 20:46.56 | VincentLaw | lol there's no B button defined |
| 20:46.59 | VincentLaw | and this is not 100% |
| 20:47.05 | ryan_gahl | all i can say is wow - can't wait to play some Kirby's Dreamland Minigolf :) |
| 20:47.05 | VincentLaw | it's doing high frameskip on mario kart |
| 20:47.08 | dtzWill | zsoc: but just make sure to leave room for gbc scaled, w/e numbers i gave before :) |
| 20:47.19 | destinal | VincentLaw: ah, ok. I didn't really have a fast game to play it with |
| 20:47.20 | zsoc | dtzWill: I don't know? are R and L used for action functions in some games? I think with a full frame I can make it look really hot |
| 20:47.31 | VincentLaw | well I should say, it's getting 100%, but frameskip is /very/ high, we're looking at 4+ frameskip right now |
| 20:47.53 | am | thats not too bad considering how the gba is emulated on other platforms. |
| 20:48.02 | am | namely psp/iphone. |
| 20:48.17 | zsoc | dtzWill: 320x192 on the bottom? or total? |
| 20:48.24 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: how do you feel about frameskip? I've avoided it in vba b/c it seems like a dodgy solution to get a good fps, but it seems other people have differing opinions. you have any thoughts? |
| 20:48.36 | zsoc | dtzWill: er, I mean is it the same dimensions on top and bottom? |
| 20:48.40 | VincentLaw | it's a good idea only if frameskip stays at 2 or lower, dtzWill |
| 20:48.47 | zsoc | dtzWill: and do you prefer png or bmp? |
| 20:48.53 | VincentLaw | once it goes above 2 you start seeing real stutter issues |
| 20:49.00 | dtzWill | zsoc: the gbc is 160x144 normally, so scaled it's 320x288. so ideally we'll have 320x288 of space *somewhere*. |
| 20:49.21 | dtzWill | zsoc: i don't really care where that is, and am happy leaving that up to your design decisions |
| 20:49.45 | zsoc | dtzWill: well.. what about blitting below and above it? like on an actual gba... |
| 20:49.49 | dtzWill | zsoc: i'd say png just b/c it has decent enough quality and significantly small filesize so no need to make them download more... although i suppose it probably doens't matter |
| 20:50.28 | dtzWill | zsoc: i'm not sure what you're saying. I'm saying that the screen size scaled is 320x288 and i'd like to have that 'punched' out of w/e 320x480 image we end up using. |
| 20:50.42 | dtzWill | zsoc: aka there's enough space for the screen! :) |
| 20:50.54 | dtzWill | zsoc: so if that means part of the controls are above, part are below, that sounds fine. |
| 20:51.04 | zsoc | dtzWill: wait... I thought you said no alpha? |
| 20:51.36 | VincentLaw | separate images (sliceS) |
| 20:51.52 | dtzWill | zsoc: fwiw even though we don't have alpha i can either a)split the image into above/bottom parts and render 3 textures: top, screen, bottom. OR use two textures, and the controls go below, then the screen on top. note that b/c the screen is a rect (two triangles) it takes no alpha to draw it that way |
| 20:52.10 | dtzWill | zsoc: i didn't have a b) whoops, but i think that make sense, hopefully |
| 20:52.24 | VincentLaw | basically, slices :p |
| 20:53.11 | dtzWill | zsoc: i'd probably do the first just so we don't have to waste time rendering what's below the screen (the way i'm doing it i don't think gl can optimize that out) |
| 20:53.22 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: i don't know the term 'slices' but it aboslutely sounds like what i'm talking about :) |
| 20:54.25 | VincentLaw | it's a photoshop/design term |
| 20:54.46 | VincentLaw | site designs made from photoshop use slices to create pieces of a whole site image, for layout |
| 20:54.57 | VincentLaw | (bunch of rectangular images :P) |
| 20:55.10 | dtzWill | VincentLaw: sounds good. |
| 20:55.34 | dtzWill | zsoc: are we on board with all this? if there's an issue/you think we could make it better some other way speak up and maybe we can make it happen |
| 20:55.52 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: ping |
| 20:56.08 | VincentLaw | destinal: I'm doing all sorts of configuration stuff, hopefully it does read the cfg :D |
| 20:56.10 | zsoc | dtzWill: nope sounds good |
| 20:56.14 | dtzWill | zsoc: wonderful. |
| 20:56.41 | zsoc | dtzWill: I'm hoping I can make it look decent. at the very least I can make a good mock up for someone with real skill ;) |
| 20:57.00 | destinal | VincentLaw: hope so also |
| 20:57.07 | destinal | VincentLaw: it is that sdl 1.39 which is discussed so much on dingoo |
| 20:57.17 | VincentLaw | from looking through my current config there is some promising option |
| 20:57.24 | VincentLaw | *options |
| 20:57.45 | VincentLaw | zsoc: I have an original GBA and GBC if you need reference shots :p |
| 20:57.58 | zsoc | dtzWill: oh..er.. 1 last thing... the gba traditially was most popular in translucent ice blue or the indigo/purple... |
| 20:58.45 | zsoc | I liked both colors but some considered them hideous/feminine opposed to the later black/white models |
| 20:58.50 | dtzWill | zsoc: sounds good, i'm sure you'll do significantly better than i would. barebones circles with two overlapping rectangles for d-pad :P |
| 20:58.59 | zsoc | luls |
| 20:59.38 | egaudet_work | what exactly is a ping dBsooner |
| 20:59.43 | dtzWill | zsoc: i'm not particular. if you have a preference go for it. despite i'm sure everyone wanting it i don't particularly intend on making these super customizable (other than people editing the raw assets) and am happy wiht whatever you think is best |
| 20:59.57 | dBsooner | egaudet: It's a request for acknowledgement |
| 21:00.03 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: ^^ |
| 21:00.05 | dtzWill | zsoc: i might suggest black just b/c that matches the pre? but i honestly am more than happy to give you creative control over this |
| 21:00.13 | egaudet_work | I acknowledge your request for acknowledgement, acknowledged |
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| 21:00.26 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: So Jason wants to change one of his patches from the "Misc" category to "Sounds and Alerts" |
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| 21:00.50 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: What do you think this will entail? Just change it? |
| 21:01.03 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: Or should I "obsolete" the misc one |
| 21:02.31 | zsoc | this will be fun and tricky. I'll be hacking a gba as if it was an original gameboy lol |
| 21:03.38 | VincentLaw | oh WOW |
| 21:03.54 | VincentLaw | destinal: run ./snes9x -ns yourom.smc |
| 21:03.59 | VincentLaw | and watch the framerate fly |
| 21:04.02 | destinal | oh, no skip? |
| 21:04.02 | destinal | :) |
| 21:04.06 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: Obselete the misc one it is. Because he actually said in the "changelog": "Redone. Much more reliable." |
| 21:04.08 | VincentLaw | no, no sound |
| 21:04.12 | destinal | aha |
| 21:04.14 | VincentLaw | turns off sound emulation entirely |
| 21:04.15 | destinal | so it's trying sound |
| 21:04.22 | destinal | and just not outputting |
| 21:04.25 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: so I expect he wants everyone to "update" to this new one. |
| 21:04.49 | VincentLaw | we're looking at near, if not full 0 frameskip 100% speed on mario world right now with -ns |
| 21:05.29 | egaudet_work | no |
| 21:05.30 | egaudet_work | stop |
| 21:06.08 | am | wow |
| 21:07.24 | zsoc | stops |
| 21:07.31 | VincentLaw | 100% no frameskip on mario kart as well |
| 21:07.35 | VincentLaw | (with -ns) |
| 21:07.42 | VincentLaw | destinal this is already awesome :p |
| 21:08.00 | zsoc | VincentLaw: emulation without sound is not awesome |
| 21:08.03 | VincentLaw | now to really test this sucker out, trying one of the hardest to render games: super mario rpg |
| 21:08.20 | destinal | zsoc: for a first build, it's promising :) |
| 21:08.22 | VincentLaw | zsoc: I will accept no sound if it means super mario rpg |
| 21:08.37 | VincentLaw | and what he said |
| 21:08.44 | zsoc | destinal-wirc: yes but didn't you already build this 2 weeks ago? |
| 21:08.49 | VincentLaw | and I haven't even tried the more sketchy stuff |
| 21:09.23 | egaudet_work | dBsooner: do we need to rethink our strategy of <category>-<title> |
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| 21:09.54 | VincentLaw | ruh roh |
| 21:10.15 | destinal | zsoc: yes. I abandoned it because I don't know how to port OSS to alsa and then haven't had much time since. I think we still may go with another emulator instead but that doesn't mean that it's not cool |
| 21:10.15 | VincentLaw | it doesn't run super mario rpg :/ |
| 21:10.19 | destinal | :( |
| 21:10.29 | VincentLaw | I mean not at all. it's black :/ |
| 21:10.31 | destinal | (err to alsa or pulse) |
| 21:10.41 | destinal | or sdl-mixer |
| 21:11.44 | VincentLaw | I'm beginning to think anything with the special chips aren't working now, destinal |
| 21:11.52 | destinal | VincentLaw: superfx etc |
| 21:11.59 | VincentLaw | yes, superfx, SA-1 |
| 21:12.37 | VincentLaw | starfox (superfx) and smrpg (sa-1) don't run. it doesn't error out, it just doesn't run |
| 21:13.25 | destinal | VincentLaw: I think the one that's working on nokia 900 / maemo is probably better (based on pocketsnes, supposedly better framerates) |
| 21:13.43 | destinal | and spending a lot of time fixing the less performant one doesn't make much sense |
| 21:14.02 | VincentLaw | destinal: -dfr is your key command |
| 21:14.08 | VincentLaw | turns on framerate display |
| 21:14.29 | destinal | I'll put up a quick nonworking repository for now |
| 21:15.28 | egaudet_work | dBsooner: ping |
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| 21:16.06 | dtzWill | destinal: you mean like starting with vba instead of gpsp? :P |
| 21:16.22 | braxton | destin |
| 21:16.28 | destinal | dtzWill: :) |
| 21:16.28 | braxton | you awesome man |
| 21:16.49 | destinal | braxton: hey |
| 21:17.05 | braxton | destinal has anyone ever told you you are the greatest human ever |
| 21:17.20 | braxton | well? |
| 21:17.25 | destinal | haha, I don't think so |
| 21:17.34 | destinal | :) |
| 21:17.55 | braxton | there is just one small thing holding up your award |
| 21:17.57 | dBsooner | egaudet_work: Can't a man do real work for once? |
| 21:18.03 | destinal | braxton: terminal bug fix? |
| 21:18.10 | braxton | TERMINAL |
| 21:18.16 | destinal | how did I know that was coming |
| 21:18.17 | braxton | yes :) |
| 21:18.18 | destinal | :) |
| 21:18.46 | braxton | because I've spent the last week bothering you about it as a full time job |
| 21:19.10 | braxton | destinal please help me help you help me |
| 21:19.17 | destinal | braxton: I have spent many hours beating my head against the metaphorical wall that is this bug. all so you can be happy. |
| 21:19.26 | braxton | nice |
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| 21:19.48 | xorg | i have an Upstart /etc/event.d Q if someone can answer... |
| 21:19.50 | braxton | and? |
| 21:20.06 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:20.12 | dBsooner | rwhitby: mornin captain |
| 21:20.23 | ryan_gahl | hi rwhitby |
| 21:20.25 | xorg | i want to trigger an event script if WiFi goes away... would that be "start on stopped PmWiFiService" ? |
| 21:21.46 | xorg | yo rod... |
| 21:22.13 | braxton | arod |
| 21:22.47 | ryan_gahl | rwhitby: can i get your opinion on this before we call it done? every1 else is busy groovin' on the snes9x stuff destinal's been doing :) - http://i.imgur.com/cPI5b.png |
| 21:23.26 | ryan_gahl | btw, dest, so wish i had the skills right now to help with that stuff |
| 21:23.26 | PuffTheMagic_ | sup |
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| 21:23.54 | PuffTheMagic_ | ryan_gahl: you didnt change your nick yet ( thought I said the other day no nicks that contain ryan are allowed :D |
| 21:24.00 | ryan_gahl | LOL |
| 21:24.04 | dBsooner | Shut up Ryan |
| 21:24.14 | ryan_gahl | oh, i thought that was temporary |
| 21:24.30 | ryan_gahl | +dBsooner: ?? |
| 21:24.47 | dBsooner | Not you ryan_gahl. |
| 21:24.53 | PuffTheMagic_ | ryan_gahl: i am the only Ryan allowed |
| 21:24.57 | dBsooner | points at PuffTheMagic_ |
| 21:25.29 | braxton | attention destional is on notice |
| 21:25.33 | ryan_gahl | ohhhhhhhhhhh, man i was almost in tears there ;) |
| 21:26.35 | Kyusaku | PuffTheMagic: you check out the mobilehotspot package |
| 21:26.51 | PuffTheMagic_ | Kyusaku: those links didnt work |
| 21:26.59 | Kyusaku | several of us got it to work using freetether's ip forwarding |
| 21:27.12 | not_ryan_gahl | +PuffTheMagic_: better? |
| 21:27.17 | Kyusaku | I put the ipks in a dropbox |
| 21:27.18 | Kyusaku | hold |
| 21:27.19 | PuffTheMagic_ | no |
| 21:27.51 | Kyusaku | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1732784/com.palm.app.mobilehotspot_1.0.3_all.ipk |
| 21:28.10 | Kyusaku | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1732784/pmnetconfigmanager_1.0.0-58.1.ipk |
| 21:28.11 | dBsooner | speaking of which, When is the mighty PuffTheMagic_ going to finish freeTether to be a WiFi hotspot? |
| 21:28.18 | Kyusaku | do you want the daemon that comes with it? |
| 21:28.30 | dBsooner | Kyusaku: doesn't the pre already have pmnetconfigmanager? |
| 21:28.35 | dBsooner | /usr/bin/PmNetConfigManager |
| 21:28.45 | PuffTheMagic_ | Kyusaku: yeah give me all the links i need |
| 21:28.58 | PuffTheMagic_ | pmnetconfigmanager is a package now? |
| 21:29.21 | Kyusaku | yeah the mobilehotspot "updater" app |
| 21:29.26 | Kyusaku | comes with 3 ipks |
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| 21:29.33 | Kyusaku | that it installs |
| 21:29.40 | JohnnyPaper | +PuffTheMagic_: ping |
| 21:29.41 | Kyusaku | those 2 and the daemon |
| 21:29.41 | PuffTheMagic_ | so where is that 3rd one? |
| 21:29.44 | PuffTheMagic_ | JohnnyPaper: pong |
| 21:29.51 | Kyusaku | hold up I gotta copy off my Pre |
| 21:29.58 | JohnnyPaper | :p |
| 21:30.15 | destinal | Kyusaku: please don't redistribute palm copyrighted files |
| 21:30.27 | dBsooner | agrees with destinal. |
| 21:30.28 | Kyusaku | ooop |
| 21:30.31 | Kyusaku | my bad |
| 21:30.37 | Kyusaku | I'll take those off |
| 21:30.37 | dBsooner | Just "tell him where to find them on his own" |
| 21:30.48 | VincentLaw | or get it from palm yourself :p |
| 21:30.49 | Kyusaku | I did but he said it didn't work |
| 21:31.00 | Kyusaku | lemme try again |
| 21:31.05 | Kyusaku | I'm gonna wirc |
| 21:31.10 | destinal | the palm updater has an ipks directory |
| 21:31.12 | VincentLaw | should just write a script that downloads it from the app catalog and extracts the ipks for you lawl |
| 21:31.24 | destinal | you can install the updater but not run it |
| 21:31.30 | destinal | and then just snag the ipks |
| 21:32.11 | PuffTheMagic_ | JohnnyPaper: what? |
| 21:32.32 | VincentLaw | I wonder why snes9x won't accept any cfg files :/ |
| 21:32.38 | VincentLaw | won't even let me point it to one |
| 21:32.51 | JohnnyPaper | +PuffTheMagic_: sry, just wondering if this name is better |
| 21:33.01 | JohnnyPaper | ya know, that song... |
| 21:33.19 | PuffTheMagic_ | oh |
| 21:33.20 | PuffTheMagic_ | lol |
| 21:33.37 | PuffTheMagic_ | i didnt realize it was ryan_ |
| 21:33.40 | dBsooner | destinal: rwhitby is slipping. Normally he would have grep'd that link in about 10 seconds flat and had an auto-bash response. |
| 21:33.41 | JohnnyPaper | :P |
| 21:33.43 | PuffTheMagic_ | JohnnyPaper: i wasnt serious you know |
| 21:33.51 | dBsooner | PuffTheMagic_: yes you were. |
| 21:34.16 | JohnnyPaper | I know, I'm just having fun, random lols are about all i have to contribute thus far here |
| 21:35.42 | dBsooner | JohnnyPaper: 75% of the people in here don't contribute. ;) |
| 21:35.55 | dBsooner | and the other 25% just contribute slack. |
| 21:36.24 | JohnnyPaper | that, and a skin for a calculator app that i'm hoping lots of ppl will d/l for free from the app catalog and hopefully promote this great group, that i dearly want to get some look-sees from you guys on ;P |
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| 21:37.09 | PuffTheMagic_ | why hasnt palm pulled this app off the website yet |
| 21:37.09 | JohnnyPaper | ..I'm working on an Ogre port in the background, just a slow-go for me |
| 21:37.37 | PuffTheMagic_ | has anyone used dbus-util to capture any of the dbus calls by this new utility |
| 21:37.38 | rwhitby | VincentLaw: I use LimeChat on Mac for IRC |
| 21:37.42 | PuffTheMagic_ | and documented them? |
| 21:37.53 | PuffTheMagic_ | rwhitby: you gotta get with the Quassel movement :D |
| 21:38.05 | firestrider | is there any improvment in the nand controller or flash, increased clock speed or increased ram speed in the palm pre plus |
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| 21:38.14 | Kyusaku | my bad on the distributing, links offline |
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| 21:39.12 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic_: I already run bip as a bouncer. no need for a second level of indirection on a laptop |
| 21:39.34 | PuffTheMagic_ | you could stop using bip :D |
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| 21:44.14 | zsoc | Kyusaku: I suppose given the circumstances, honest mistakes are better than malicious intent |
| 21:44.44 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic_: I don't think that Palm cares about the miniscule number of people who (a) know what an ipk is, (b) can run wget, (c) know how to get a command line, (d) can follow instructions that are not written in one syllable words, (e) care about tethering. There's probably less than 100 people in the world that meet all those criteria, and can therefore make use of those ipkgs. |
| 21:45.02 | Kyusaku | zsoc: nothing malicious intended and it's software available free of charge via the app catalog |
| 21:45.10 | Kyusaku | not a pay app or anything |
| 21:45.24 | PuffTheMagic_ | rwhitby: still seems odd that they would keep them up there |
| 21:45.25 | zsoc | rwhitby: 100 is shooting it pretty low... |
| 21:45.57 | zsoc | oh, counting e), maybe 100 is about right :) |
| 21:46.50 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: free of charge != redistributable. but the stuff is removed now so no harm no foul |
| 21:46.56 | PuffTheMagic_ | just run freeTether, connect your pre to a local AP and then change your comptuers default gateway |
| 21:47.03 | PuffTheMagic_ | then u can use it for internet |
| 21:47.50 | zsoc | I wonder if sprint will know you use hotspot... |
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| 21:48.18 | rwhitby | zsoc: sprint and palm know absolutely everything you do on your webOS device. |
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| 21:48.46 | zsoc | rwhitby: er... actively I mean. where as now ip forwarding is a very passive method of tethering |
| 21:48.52 | davo_ | can anyone give tether help? |
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| 21:49.09 | PuffTheMagic_ | has anyone looked at the contents of these mobile hotspot ipks? |
| 21:49.16 | PuffTheMagic_ | do they include a new wifi blob? |
| 21:49.28 | Rick_work | rwhitby -- if they choose to look. Sprint and Palm have logs containing everyting you do on your webOS device... that's a different story. |
| 21:49.44 | Kyusaku | spotter posted a listing of the ipk contents on the forums |
| 21:49.47 | Kyusaku | lemme get a link |
| 21:49.52 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic_ they do NOT contain a wifi blob |
| 21:49.58 | rwhitby | Rick_work: right. they know. whether they choose to understand and act is another question. |
| 21:50.02 | PuffTheMagic_ | Rick_work: hmmmm |
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| 21:50.13 | Rick_work | yes PuffTheMagic_ exactly |
| 21:50.41 | Rick_work | they contain a mojo app, a binary router app, |
| 21:50.42 | davo_ | can the pre tether? just got it... |
| 21:50.44 | PuffTheMagic_ | Rick_work: i suppose the code that they removed from the wifi module could be called (with some light modifications to the code) from any linux app directly |
| 21:50.52 | Kyusaku | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/225653-palm-mobile-hotspot-app.html#post2165975 |
| 21:51.07 | PuffTheMagic_ | thats how those apps work to tweak bios's |
| 21:51.24 | PuffTheMagic_ | so they could make an app that talks to the wifi hardware and not have it be a kernel module |
| 21:51.59 | VincentLaw | grr what encoding is the palm app feeds in |
| 21:52.13 | VincentLaw | it says utf-8 at the top but that sure is coming out a mess when processed as utf8 |
| 21:52.45 | spotter | rwhitby, it doesn't matter who knows how to do things, one one person knows, everyone knows |
| 21:52.58 | rwhitby | VincentLaw: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=scripts/palm-scraper.py parses the palm feeds for preware.org |
| 21:53.00 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic_ that's missing from the wifi ??? |
| 21:53.00 | zonyl | I got the GarnetOS VM to display on my pre. Pretty cool to see the palmOS environment (with grafiti) that is not Motion apps. |
| 21:53.01 | spotter | its what I say about the security of locking down kid's computers |
| 21:53.15 | spotter | once one of the peers figures out how to bypass it (say ubuntu live cd), everyone will end up knowing |
| 21:53.17 | davo_ | does 'my tether' work |
| 21:53.22 | PuffTheMagic_ | Rick_work: huh? |
| 21:53.41 | rwhitby | spotter: I don't see which of my comments you were responding to ... |
| 21:53.46 | spotter | 100 users |
| 21:53.50 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic_ you said "they included what's missing from the wifi" -- what is it that's missing from the wifi drivers in the kernal? |
| 21:54.35 | davo_ | i tried to fing freetether and havent had anyluck... |
| 21:54.44 | davo_ | find |
| 21:54.45 | PuffTheMagic_ | Rick_work: they seem to have removed (or commented out) the code in the wifi module that enables adhoc connections and/or never included the code that lets it go into an AP mode |
| 21:54.58 | PuffTheMagic_ | adhoc mode was supported pre-1.3.5 |
| 21:55.17 | VincentLaw | yeah mytether used to do that :/ |
| 21:55.38 | rwhitby | spotter: everyone can know how to install openvpn and delegate.org on the pre. doesn't mean that more than 50 people will ever do it |
| 21:55.38 | PuffTheMagic_ | Rick_work: all im saying is they can control the wifi hardware with out using an interface exposed my a kernel module |
| 21:55.54 | spotter | rwhitby, I think a lot of people care about tethering |
| 21:56.04 | PuffTheMagic_ | s/my/by/ |
| 21:56.06 | spotter | if you ever take buses or stay in an airport waiting for a plane |
| 21:56.06 | xcomp | rwhitby: could you forward me info on what prevented ethumb from building on a fresh box? |
| 21:56.10 | spotter | or trains |
| 21:56.17 | spotter | or even long car rides |
| 21:56.24 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic_ is it --possible-- that they simply masked those modes with "odd" turn on switches? |
| 21:56.29 | rwhitby | xcomp: it couldn't find ethumb.so when building ethumb_client. |
| 21:56.37 | rwhitby | xcomp: try it with an empty staging dir |
| 21:56.49 | PuffTheMagic_ | Rick_work: sure |
| 21:57.10 | spotter | btw, what's this discussion about the "wifi" module about? |
| 21:57.17 | xcomp | hmmm ... curious one. I'll debug it |
| 21:57.24 | rwhitby | spotter: lots of peole care about tethering, but the intersection of that number with the number of people who could use those ipkgs in the state they are today is so small that I doubt Palm cares about trying to stop it |
| 21:57.35 | spotter | today :) |
| 21:57.43 | spotter | that will probably change |
| 21:57.52 | rwhitby | spotter: right. if it grows, they can pull the ipkg then. |
| 21:58.12 | spotter | but then its too late |
| 21:58.14 | rwhitby | spotter: any other redistribution of the ipkgs would get a C&D letter from their laywers |
| 21:58.19 | spotter | perhaps |
| 21:58.20 | davo_ | my wife can tether her htc but i cannot get my pre to work... |
| 21:58.21 | PuffTheMagic_ | spotter: too bad that they probably already gave enough clues to the people how know what is going on to build their own verions of what they do |
| 21:58.22 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic_ so it's possible that the mobilehotspotd software simply calls it in a different way than you're expecting. So if we could figure out what PmNetConfigManager and MobileHotspotD were doing, we could simply REPLACE them with optware router code. |
| 21:58.24 | spotter | but that hasn't stopped anyone b4 |
| 21:58.43 | Rick_work | davo_ what have you done to get your pre to work? |
| 21:58.46 | PuffTheMagic_ | lol "opware router code" |
| 21:58.49 | zsoc | tethering doesn't affect palm it affects the carrier, and sprint doesn't care at the moment. |
| 21:58.53 | rwhitby | spotter: since the ipkgs are going to be public in less than 30 days anyway, why would they bother doing something about it now? |
| 21:59.08 | Rick_work | ok PuffTheMagic_ fine. Slug router code. |
| 21:59.13 | Rick_work | :-) |
| 21:59.16 | PuffTheMagic_ | Rick_work: thats not better |
| 21:59.33 | spotter | are those binaries stripped? |
| 21:59.36 | zsoc | Rick_work: magical internets code |
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| 21:59.51 | Rick_work | PuffTheMagic_ I'm not trying to be precise, I'm trying to be simple. Precision comes later. |
| 21:59.52 | spotter | if not, ltrace would seem to show a lot of what functions are being called in them and what lib functions they are calling |
| 21:59.53 | davo_ | i did the develop mode, had mytether but never saw the aoNet |
| 22:00.24 | Rick_work | davo_ do you have terminal on the pre, or do you have novaterm? |
| 22:00.26 | davo_ | couldnt usb or wifi tether |
| 22:00.37 | PuffTheMagic_ | Rick_work: yes if they just "disguised" the calls some how then we should be able to call them our selves from a custom application |
| 22:00.45 | Kyusaku | Sprint has a soft limit on their data plan to protect themselves who circumvent their system |
| 22:00.59 | spotter | don't all these things communicate over dbus? |
| 22:01.07 | spotter | couldn't we write a wrapper for them? |
| 22:01.19 | PuffTheMagic_ | there is nothing sprint or palm can do really |
| 22:01.24 | davo_ | i dont know but i remember the word novaterm |
| 22:01.26 | PuffTheMagic_ | they gave us a linux device with root access |
| 22:01.36 | PuffTheMagic_ | if you can imagine it, we can do it |
| 22:01.40 | spotter | PuffTheMagic_, android is worse |
| 22:01.45 | davo_ | im new... just had the pre 1 week |
| 22:01.46 | spotter | android the whole OS is Open |
| 22:01.59 | spotter | here, at least palm hasn't opened the OS components they wrote from scratch |
| 22:02.07 | Rick_work | davo_ what instructions were you following for mytether? |
| 22:02.09 | psykoz | Sprint really barks about caring but back in 2003 and 2004 I had no highspeed internet available to me where I lived |
| 22:02.12 | spotter | (and by OS, I don't mean just kernel) |
| 22:02.30 | psykoz | I pretty much turned my Palm phone at the time into a fulltime internet connection for my house and easily was eating up 10-15gb of bandwidth on it a month |
| 22:02.39 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic_: exactly, I don't see why people think that anyone at Palm would care if people can create homebrew tethering solutions. It's not going to get into the app catalog, so the usage of it will be miniscule in the grand scheme of things, and if you abuse it then Sprint looks after that anyway. |
| 22:02.41 | spotter | all I know is that mobile hotspot + freetether enabling ip forwarding enables mobile hotspot to work |
| 22:02.43 | psykoz | And it was during the time people said Sprint will catch you if you do more than 5gb and shut you off |
| 22:02.55 | davo_ | some video on you tube ... then like myprehack bs |
| 22:03.41 | Rick_work | davo_ oh. it's hard for us to debug "some video on youtube's" instructions. |
| 22:03.41 | PuffTheMagic_ | its not like apple can prevent you from running bsd or linux on your macbook |
| 22:03.56 | spotter | 10gb of bandwidth a month on a 1xRTT connection? |
| 22:04.49 | xcomp | that's a lot of battery burnage |
| 22:05.46 | Kyusaku | how many phones did you go through |
| 22:05.47 | spotter | its impossible |
| 22:06.01 | spotter | I think its impossible to download 10GB in a month on a 1xRTT connection |
| 22:06.17 | spotter | 1xRTT is what 200kilobits per second? |
| 22:06.32 | psykoz | 144kbit |
| 22:07.07 | spotter | I guess it is |
| 22:07.09 | zonyl | PuffTheMagic_: I would think Apple could restrict the os if they required signed image? |
| 22:07.14 | davo_ | The video was from palm hacks site |
| 22:07.20 | psykoz | You can do 1MByte/minute which is 64MByte/hour, 1.5GB/day |
| 22:07.31 | psykoz | easily can clobber 10gb/month |
| 22:07.35 | PuffTheMagic_ | zonyl: they have no right to |
| 22:07.40 | spotter | as I said, I redid my math |
| 22:08.08 | spotter | can do 45GB per month if you due is 24/7 |
| 22:08.13 | spotter | and download constant |
| 22:08.18 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic_: sure they do - they can sell whatever they want to you |
| 22:08.47 | spotter | that 1MB/minute reminds me of my 56k days |
| 22:08.55 | PuffTheMagic_ | rwhitby: sure they can sell a product and "attempt" to restrict how you use it, but once its yours you are free to exploit it however you want |
| 22:08.56 | spotter | remembering be able to do 20MB an hour :) |
| 22:09.01 | spotter | and timed things based on that |
| 22:09.21 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic_: agreed, as long as you didn't sign an agreement not to ... |
| 22:10.06 | PuffTheMagic_ | rwhitby: yeah, i hope i never enconter a product with a clause like that |
| 22:10.23 | zonyl | PuffTheMagic_: I seem to recall I-Opener trying to restrict the os on their machines. Dont remember if they held out long enough to do a DRM legal battle with us that stuck windows 95 on them |
| 22:10.25 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic_: have you read the Palm Pre EULA lately? |
| 22:10.32 | davo_ | Video showed how to open phone to developer mode or root, then download my tether... I followed directions shown there, not sure what I did wrong. Is there a better way to enable tethering? |
| 22:10.37 | spotter | I had an iopener |
| 22:10.49 | spotter | the ps2 port ended up falling off on mine |
| 22:10.50 | spotter | :) |
| 22:10.59 | zonyl | spotter: I ended up buying 10 of them ;) |
| 22:11.04 | PuffTheMagic_ | rwhitby: i havent read an EULA in my life |
| 22:11.31 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic_: you're such a rebel |
| 22:11.45 | spotter | PuffTheMagic_, most people haven't :) |
| 22:11.50 | spotter | they just click ok |
| 22:11.51 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic_: do you stick it to the man too? |
| 22:11.51 | spotter | :) |
| 22:11.58 | PuffTheMagic_ | rwhitby: lol |
| 22:12.15 | PuffTheMagic_ | rwhitby: i was just being honest i dont read that crap |
| 22:12.30 | Abyssul | We need a download count for patches :) |
| 22:12.41 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic_: agreed, no-one does. |
| 22:13.19 | Kyusaku | the only people who read it are the drones that edit them and translate them into different languages |
| 22:14.13 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: and those who are trying to work out what they can legitimately do in an open and transparent manner without infringing on it. |
| 22:14.40 | zonyl | Kyusaku: I read the Pre's as I was in the early access program at one time. Wanted to make sure I didnt get into trouble. |
| 22:15.24 | zonyl | zonyl: In fact, Chuq never did respond to one of my questions about it .. hehe |
| 22:15.25 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 22:15.32 | davo_ | palmpre-hacks.com |
| 22:15.38 | JMyaDaGod | armv7 is pre or pixi? |
| 22:15.42 | xcomp | hmm...I wonder why we're compiling freetype |
| 22:15.49 | Kyusaku | arm7 is pr |
| 22:15.50 | Kyusaku | e |
| 22:15.55 | Kyusaku | arm6 is pixi |
| 22:16.00 | xcomp | pixi uses the inferior qualcomm chip |
| 22:16.02 | xcomp | :p |
| 22:16.03 | davo_ | there video was on you tube |
| 22:16.13 | xcomp | up TI, down qualcomm |
| 22:16.18 | JMyaDaGod | Kyusaku : everything still working with hotspot? |
| 22:16.33 | Kyusaku | davo: ok we get it you used some shoddy old mytether instructions |
| 22:16.54 | davo_ | are there less shody ones? |
| 22:17.12 | zonyl | davo_: I just installed 'tinyproxy' and use PAN |
| 22:17.17 | Rick_work | davo_ the "better way to enable wifi tethering" is at least a few days away. Just yesterday this team got access to palms wifi tethering software for Verizon and are in the process of tearing it apart and producing a truely open version for sprint. |
| 22:17.28 | Kyusaku | davo_: there's nothing publicly available that works perfectly |
| 22:17.30 | Abyssul | This guy makes a good interpret for when flash might come out. Seems like Palm likes to release before a major event so they might release flash the day before Apple's big event. |
| 22:17.33 | Rick_work | until then, davo_ there's "freetether" which works, but is largely undocumented. |
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| 22:18.24 | Kyusaku | JMyaDaGod: should work, with some ip forwarding |
| 22:18.29 | davo_ | i saw free tether some were but havent found the download |
| 22:18.32 | destinal | rwhitby: Sprint and palm know everything you do on your webos device, unless you disable their knowing |
| 22:18.49 | xcomp | hah -- precentral poll |
| 22:18.55 | JMyaDaGod | Kyusaku : just getting a chance to mess with pre now installing hotspot and freetether |
| 22:18.56 | davo_ | freetether instructions? |
| 22:19.07 | xcomp | 81% sticking with sprint, only 5% switching to verizon |
| 22:19.08 | Volcom45 | what exactly does the iphone spoof agent patch do for the browser? can the pre browser really not handle any asp.net local intranet sites? i can't get anything at work to work for me, get this 115 error |
| 22:19.26 | Kyusaku | what's the other 14% |
| 22:19.37 | destinal | Volcom45: the spoof agent won't help you there. |
| 22:19.39 | spotter | Volcom45, some sites are optimized for iphone and detect if its there and dont detect the pre, but content would work fine |
| 22:19.40 | xcomp | ostensibly new users |
| 22:19.46 | Volcom45 | ah, thanks |
| 22:19.59 | xcomp | who didn't have a pre before |
| 22:20.15 | davo_ | how do i get freetether? |
| 22:20.18 | Kyusaku | xcomp: well if they got money to burn, burn that mother down |
| 22:20.25 | Volcom45 | sure wish it could handle asp.. |
| 22:20.29 | davo_ | i just got the pre |
| 22:20.53 | *** part/#webos-internals motp (n=bbu@calvin.penguin.de) |
| 22:22.36 | Kyusaku | xcomp: The question is, how many of those 5% are using that change in contract to get out of their ETF to leave Sprint and go on VZN |
| 22:22.52 | Rick_work | davo_ see pm |
| 22:22.57 | xcomp | and take on a new $350 ETF? |
| 22:22.58 | davo_ | googled 'ryans freetether' now i can hhook up a carseat with the best |
| 22:23.02 | dBsooner | I would not leave Sprint for VZW.. |
| 22:23.08 | xcomp | because that is such a brilliant financial move |
| 22:23.24 | xcomp | get out of a $200 ETF and sign a more expensive contract with a $350 ETF |
| 22:23.33 | dBsooner | VZW is much more expensive in the long run (in plan pricing).. and VZW JUST announced the LARGEST ETF in US History. |
| 22:23.40 | dBsooner | I think it's like $550 usd |
| 22:23.42 | Abyssul | dbsooner: lol |
| 22:23.46 | Abyssul | 350? |
| 22:23.51 | dBsooner | no, 550 |
| 22:23.54 | Kyusaku | xcomp: the ones who eat the Sprint ETF and take on the VZW ETF are the most brilliant |
| 22:23.56 | Abyssul | source? |
| 22:24.02 | dBsooner | Let me look it up |
| 22:24.08 | dBsooner | I saw it on a tweet |
| 22:24.22 | xcomp | it's actually worth it on verizon to just pay full price for the phone |
| 22:24.23 | Abyssul | Ill trust it when its from engadget or the sort... |
| 22:24.37 | xcomp | the discounted price is a greater ripoff |
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| 22:26.01 | xcomp | rwhitby: I think we should have nightly WIDK builds for download |
| 22:26.23 | xcomp | so that app developers can just extract a tarball into a directory tree instead of having to build everything |
| 22:28.18 | Abyssul | I dont understand how 512mb = 50 apps, and 256 mb = 13 apps? |
| 22:28.58 | VincentLaw | Abyssul: cause the OS uses over 100mb by itself, Abyssul |
| 22:29.13 | Abyssul | I see, makes sense now |
| 22:29.24 | Abyssul | 156mb vs 412 mb |
| 22:31.09 | VincentLaw | okay so either php just can't do utf-8 for some reason or this is so not utf-8 |
| 22:31.24 | dBsooner | Abyssul: my fault. It was the Nexus One and t-mobile |
| 22:31.25 | dBsooner | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/185976/google_nexus_one_early_termination_fee_could_reach_550.html |
| 22:31.36 | Abyssul | haha |
| 22:31.51 | Kyusaku | SuperETF for the superphone |
| 22:32.07 | Towzzer | hi |
| 22:32.08 | Towzzer | destinal |
| 22:32.14 | Towzzer | did you meet my other half braxton |
| 22:32.22 | Towzzer | he told me he was going to murder you if terminal wasn't fixed |
| 22:32.23 | Towzzer | but it's ok |
| 22:32.26 | Towzzer | i'll protect you |
| 22:32.35 | Towzzer | the only payment I ask is for terminal to be fixed |
| 22:33.24 | destinal | Towzzer: it's ok, I'm probably going to start murdering people who ask :) |
| 22:33.47 | Abyssul | dbsooner: My patches were accepted yet they arnt in the feed? |
| 22:33.49 | mdklein | PuffTheMagic_: was afk, not sure if this is what you meant, but to load the wifi into AP mode, "insmod /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/net/wifi/uap8xxx.ko helper_name=/lib/firmware/helper_sd.bin fw_name=/lib/firmware/sd8686_ap.bin" |
| 22:33.59 | PuffTheMagic_ | :D |
| 22:34.02 | Towzzer | i think i'm using one of puff's themes |
| 22:34.07 | Towzzer | puff which did you make |
| 22:34.11 | destinal | PuffTheMagic_: any idea why iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.2:80 does not work (where a public IP as a destination does work?) |
| 22:34.11 | PuffTheMagic_ | they changed the firmware |
| 22:34.16 | PuffTheMagic_ | mdklein: nice catch |
| 22:34.33 | PuffTheMagic_ | destinal: im not a iptables person |
| 22:34.35 | xcomp | PuffTheMagic_: how's enterminus coming? are you hosting the code on git? |
| 22:34.41 | dBsooner | Abyssul: I know. I am waiting on egaudet_work to help me create a new "supercedes" stype Obsolete package. |
| 22:34.44 | Abyssul | Puff makes themes? for what |
| 22:34.50 | zsoc | destinal: terminal hasn't crashed on me in 3 days btw |
| 22:34.52 | Abyssul | dbsooner: Im just messing with ya :) |
| 22:34.54 | dBsooner | Abyssul: So I can't push these changes till we do that. |
| 22:34.54 | PuffTheMagic_ | xcomp: i "forked" enterminus |
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| 22:35.04 | destinal | zsoc: probably because you're not closing it |
| 22:35.06 | xcomp | yeah I gathered that |
| 22:35.08 | Towzzer | puffy made a theme |
| 22:35.11 | Abyssul | dbsooner: Doesn't matter to me when its released lol |
| 22:35.11 | zsoc | destinal: i have been, once a day ;) |
| 22:35.17 | PuffTheMagic_ | xcomp: its known as terminus and is on git.webosinternalos.org |
| 22:35.18 | Abyssul | Towzzer: linky? |
| 22:35.22 | xcomp | PuffTheMagic_: although ... you shouldn't need to fork it |
| 22:35.25 | destinal | zsoc: heh, ok, very infrequent closes is a good workaround |
| 22:35.31 | Towzzer | ask puff |
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| 22:35.48 | Abyssul | Puff doesnt tell anyone anything o.O |
| 22:35.48 | xcomp | if enterminus sucks and we make a better one we can always put the new version up on e svn :) |
| 22:35.51 | zsoc | destinal: ah, interesting :) i only briefly caught your explanation of it before |
| 22:35.52 | PuffTheMagic_ | xcomp: xcomp well its gonna get some ui changes (prob with elementary) that are sorta pre specific |
| 22:36.01 | PuffTheMagic_ | xcomp: so i fent it was sorta a fork |
| 22:36.12 | xcomp | i'll clone and check it out |
| 22:36.25 | xcomp | how much luck have you had with elementary on pre? |
| 22:36.34 | PuffTheMagic_ | xcomp: i haven tried it yet |
| 22:36.41 | PuffTheMagic_ | i havent gottent edje yet on gentoo |
| 22:36.49 | PuffTheMagic_ | friggen lua issues with my crosssetup |
| 22:36.55 | PuffTheMagic_ | i need to start over |
| 22:37.03 | xcomp | i haven't had time to do any serious hacking but I've seen some event-related issues in trying to port stuff like image-viewer |
| 22:37.04 | lemketron | @edektor @jfelectron - pubsub service IS in the emulator (afaik); you have to run First Use first and create (or sign into) a Palm profile. |
| 22:37.21 | PuffTheMagic_ | xcomp: well im not really porting anything |
| 22:37.27 | xcomp | i'm waiting for okra to release his elm-based ephoto so I can work on porting it |
| 22:37.28 | PuffTheMagic_ | well |
| 22:37.28 | Rick_work | lemketron can you CREATE a palm-profile in the emulator now???? |
| 22:37.30 | xcomp | yeah I know |
| 22:37.34 | PuffTheMagic_ | idk enough about elementary yet |
| 22:37.39 | destinal | Rick_work: you always could AFAIK |
| 22:37.43 | PuffTheMagic_ | i figured i could throw some buttons into enterminus |
| 22:37.47 | Kyusaku | yeah you always could |
| 22:37.47 | PuffTheMagic_ | with little effort |
| 22:38.03 | Rick_work | weird. Ok, nevermind. |
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| 22:38.10 | destinal | Rick_work: it won't be able to use catalog but running first use will do it |
| 22:38.15 | lemketron | evidently I got disconnected at 6:48 this morning... what did I miss? :-) |
| 22:38.36 | Rick_work | lemketron lots and lots and lots of discussion about Verizon tethering app. |
| 22:38.41 | Rick_work | oh and lots. |
| 22:38.42 | lemketron | heh |
| 22:38.53 | lemketron | that's 6:48am pst, fwiw. |
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| 22:39.12 | xcomp | weird, ethumb built fine for me on a fresh checkout |
| 22:39.22 | zsoc | lemketron: check the logs? |
| 22:40.00 | Rick_work | lemketron and of course, the usual chatter about compiling this or that app in the wipk, |
| 22:40.12 | destinal | any iptables people here? I suspect my problem is that I'm trying to cross interfaces with the output natted packets |
| 22:40.31 | destinal | I'm trying to redirect traffic normally destined for the internet to usb0 |
| 22:40.34 | destinal | iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.0.2:80 |
| 22:40.55 | xcomp | nukes staging and tries again |
| 22:41.32 | Rick_work | lemketron at least no one is bothering to try to use tethering in the emulator :-) |
| 22:41.53 | lemketron | zsoc - yeah, just remembered that. |
| 22:42.26 | destinal | Rick_work: the most fun is setting up a hotspot on one pre and connecting to it with another |
| 22:42.44 | destinal | totally pointless, yet somehow amusing |
| 22:42.53 | lemketron | Rick_work: I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried... heck, how much time did you guys waste^H^H^H^H^H work on video recording? ;-) ;-) |
| 22:43.05 | xcomp | destinal: "because we can" |
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| 22:43.35 | lemketron | destinal: not pointless if one of those Pres is on a different network w/o coverage. |
| 22:43.43 | destinal | lemketron: true |
| 22:43.56 | lemketron | better still... offer connectivity to your iPhone-toting friends. |
| 22:43.57 | Kyusaku | destinal: the ultimate would be tethering an iPhone to the Pre. |
| 22:44.02 | lemketron | jinx |
| 22:44.03 | destinal | :) |
| 22:44.06 | Rick_work | lemketron you know video recording worked pretty damned well considering we didn't have the sdl drivers. |
| 22:44.17 | xcomp | it certainly did |
| 22:44.33 | destinal | Rick_work: I doubt the future palm solution will use SDL |
| 22:44.57 | destinal | a plugin with GST / DSP support and stuff, sure |
| 22:44.59 | Kyusaku | "I have no signal on AT&T here, can I tether to your Pre for internet?" |
| 22:45.03 | lemketron | hey, you can port video recording to the emulator. :-) |
| 22:45.14 | Rick_work | hey, there's a thought. |
| 22:45.18 | lemketron | Kyusaku: that would make a great verizon ad |
| 22:45.21 | xcomp | should look into building an elementary frontend for mplayer on webos |
| 22:45.33 | Rick_work | and we can patch in web-cam support into the emulator for camera functions. |
| 22:45.36 | destinal | lots of stuff that needs to be made work on the emulator for it to be an adequate testing platform |
| 22:45.45 | destinal | for -internals type hacking anyway |
| 22:45.46 | lemketron | patches welcome. :-) |
| 22:46.02 | Rick_work | you know, I suspect he actually means that btw. |
| 22:46.05 | destinal | lemketron: oh, wait, are your vbox patches public? |
| 22:46.22 | lemketron | we use stock vbox |
| 22:46.42 | destinal | lemketron: oh, right, the special stuff you've added is in hidd things |
| 22:46.46 | Rick_work | lemketron when do we expect to see versions of vbox later than 3.0.10 supported.... |
| 22:46.51 | destinal | orientation changes on function keys and things |
| 22:47.07 | lemketron | Rick: ugg... we still have a couple of issues to resolve for 3.1 support. |
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| 22:47.22 | lemketron | at the top of the list might be "disabling the auto update check" so people aren't tempted to upgrade to something that breaks. |
| 22:47.34 | Rick_work | can you even hint what they are? People keep ASKING us. |
| 22:47.43 | xcomp | dang... I need to look into getting a new video card |
| 22:47.53 | lemketron | the issues? I've heard networking is broke but I think 3.1.2 might've fixed that. |
| 22:47.54 | Rick_work | and some people force the issue and run it by hand, and say "LOOK IT WORKS" -- and we don't know what to tell them. |
| 22:47.57 | xcomp | apparently newer nvidia cards do H.264 decoding |
| 22:48.06 | lemketron | there's something wrong with the mouse integration which I haven't looked into yet |
| 22:48.07 | xcomp | and my geforce 6600 doesn't |
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| 22:48.14 | Rick_work | needs a new computer. |
| 22:48.15 | destinal | Rick_work: palm-emulator is the biggest thing that breaks |
| 22:48.18 | destinal | IMO |
| 22:48.24 | xcomp | yeah that too |
| 22:48.25 | Towzzer | why not use phone |
| 22:48.26 | psykoz | xcomp, all cards that nvidia and ATI market as HD* cards will do hardware h264 decoding |
| 22:48.26 | lemketron | and the big one is VBoxManage changed their command-line syntax which broke the palm-emulator tool that creates and launches VMs. |
| 22:48.32 | spotter | I just want wma and ogg gstreamer support |
| 22:48.47 | lemketron | if you know gstreamer, hack in wma or ogg. |
| 22:48.48 | Rick_work | lemketron ahhh. |
| 22:48.51 | Mousey | i just want a jabber client. oh and syncml |
| 22:48.54 | lemketron | or heck, mp3. |
| 22:48.56 | psykoz | and you really need one if you want to watch h264 videos, otherwise cpu processing software wise for decoding h264 will eat up 100% of a single core p4, 60-70% of a dualcore processor, etc |
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| 22:49.15 | Towzzer | coreavc might help |
| 22:49.19 | spotter | psykoz, it depends on bitrate |
| 22:49.32 | spotter | yes, if you are trying to decode a bluray |
| 22:49.38 | Mousey | or on windows |
| 22:49.41 | lemketron | on a webos device? |
| 22:49.42 | Mousey | ducks! |
| 22:49.47 | spotter | but plenty of low bitrate stuff is made for small screen devices |
| 22:50.01 | spotter | also depends on what options are used in the codec |
| 22:50.10 | Rick_work | lemketron so, internally, there is some subtle problem with the mouse, and externally the calls to do things like palm-emulator --reset are broken in 3.1.x |
| 22:50.24 | xcomp | i think an efl-based mplayer frontend with playlist support would be in very high demand |
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| 22:50.42 | lemketron | yeah, I think we are close to having a fix for palm-emulator, then we'll need to look at the mouse stuff. |
| 22:50.46 | xcomp | video output to sdl, audio output to pulse |
| 22:50.58 | Rick_work | lemketron thanks. |
| 22:51.05 | spotter | lemketron, well the first part of hacking in support as that you guys neutered gstreamer's plugin support |
| 22:51.10 | lemketron | is there something in 3.1 that people want, or is it just annoying to get the update notices? Those CAN be turned off in the VBox prefs, btw. |
| 22:51.21 | lemketron | spotter: Oh? |
| 22:51.23 | spotter | yes |
| 22:51.41 | spotter | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Gstreamer |
| 22:51.43 | Rick_work | lemketron if someone is downloading the sdk for the first time, they get 3.1.x unless they KNOW to go get an "old" version. |
| 22:51.49 | Rick_work | it's a constant tech support pita. |
| 22:51.55 | spotter | registry adjustment being the main thing |
| 22:51.59 | zsoc | spotter: no no no |
| 22:52.02 | zsoc | spotter: that's all old and wrong |
| 22:52.10 | zsoc | spotter: as of 1.3.5 they fixed that |
| 22:52.13 | spotter | they did? |
| 22:52.31 | zsoc | spotter: honestly it worked before anyway, but it works now with just a simple gst-inspect |
| 22:52.44 | zsoc | spotter: the REAL problem is backporting recent modules to work on 0.10.21 |
| 22:53.03 | zsoc | spotter: advantage is i've done about 30 of the muxing/encoding ones, so i'm imaging the demuxing/decoding ones have similar patches |
| 22:53.12 | spotter | why not just create a gstreamer build environment then? |
| 22:53.17 | zsoc | spotter: i really should just rip down everything i did on the wiki for those things, all kinda wrong |
| 22:53.26 | spotter | zsoc: do you have a build environment? |
| 22:53.30 | spotter | what not tar it up for others |
| 22:53.34 | zsoc | spotter: at this point that's a reasonable option, to run 0.10.24 as a parallel library |
| 22:53.46 | spotter | zsoc: but that doesn't help with their media player |
| 22:53.51 | zsoc | spotter: er, my build environment is a gentoo stg 3 crossdev hack |
| 22:54.04 | Rick_work | Hmmmm -- I wonder what innocent 19 year old I could sucker into hacking webcam support into the emulator to let camera and video apps run... :-) |
| 22:54.15 | spotter | the idea would be to trick their player into playing othe formats |
| 22:54.16 | zsoc | spotter: right, that's why i back ported what i did, but again it was in an effort for audio/video recording, so it's all muxers and encoders |
| 22:54.17 | Kyusaku | did they make any changes to gstreamer in 1.4.0 to better accomodate the video recording? |
| 22:54.29 | zsoc | spotter: no that's definitely not the idea. |
| 22:54.35 | zsoc | Kyusaku: i don't think anyone can tell you that |
| 22:54.36 | spotter | that's my idea :) |
| 22:54.46 | zsoc | spotter: I think we went over this, it doesn't work |
| 22:54.49 | Kyusaku | zsoc: true |
| 22:54.49 | spotter | could always make a seperate media player I guess |
| 22:54.53 | zsoc | spotter: you'd need a binary hack to the file indexer |
| 22:55.02 | zsoc | spotter: if you want to get out your hex manual, go for it |
| 22:55.03 | xcomp | see, now this is what I'm talking about |
| 22:55.04 | spotter | even file extension change wont help? |
| 22:55.06 | xcomp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPCDOEs5mGo |
| 22:55.16 | zsoc | spotter: has nothing to do with file extension, it's about metadata |
| 22:55.19 | spotter | it actually uses libmagic on the files? |
| 22:55.20 | spotter | whoa |
| 22:55.23 | xcomp | *that* would be worth porting to pre |
| 22:55.23 | zsoc | spotter: FAKING metadata is a very bad idea |
| 22:55.32 | xcomp | and it would play back anything |
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| 22:55.59 | spotter | ok |
| 22:56.10 | jacques_pre | howdy |
| 22:56.10 | zsoc | xcomp: i'm sure that doesn't use it's own libs :P |
| 22:56.22 | zsoc | xcomp: there's still some basic blocks it's on... gstreamer or ffmpeg probably |
| 22:56.27 | xcomp | zsoc: yeah |
| 22:56.28 | jacques_pre | waiting for avatar to start |
| 22:56.32 | xcomp | geexbox |
| 22:56.36 | JMyaDaGod | anyone do a wiki on getting hotspot to work on sprint? |
| 22:56.41 | spotter | personally, it be nice if palm made their messaging app and media player more extensible even if not officially supported |
| 22:56.46 | zsoc | jacques: lol, enjoy the show! |
| 22:56.46 | Rick_work | going home. have fun guys, I'm going to crash tonight. |
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| 22:57.01 | spotter | but wishes are what they are |
| 22:57.05 | spotter | anyways |
| 22:57.34 | zsoc | spotter: technically it's extensible... just not with /their/ players ;) |
| 22:57.37 | zsoc | but I think that's ok |
| 22:57.44 | zsoc | making a 'filepicker' in sdl is pretty easy |
| 22:57.56 | zsoc | making an _indexer_ might prove more challenging, but i'm sure there's someone here that could do it |
| 22:58.00 | jacques_pre | zsoc: thanks, last time I saw reald, today dolby 3d |
| 22:58.02 | xcomp | zsoc: it uses libplayer, which apparently will work with mplayer, xine, vlc or gst |
| 22:58.15 | zsoc | xcomp: good to know |
| 22:58.16 | jacques_pre | reald has cooler glasses |
| 22:58.29 | zsoc | jacques: lol yes! and it's much less 'gimicky' 3d, more just nicely done |
| 22:58.53 | spotter | zsoc: there is already internalz |
| 22:59.10 | zsoc | spotter: eh.. that's all java |
| 22:59.10 | zsoc | and a service |
| 22:59.10 | zsoc | yuk |
| 22:59.10 | spotter | right |
| 22:59.23 | spotter | a file indexer service would be useful |
| 22:59.30 | spotter | dont have to reinvent wheel for each program |
| 22:59.30 | zsoc | spotter: anyway, getting support for any opensource filetype should be simple, atleast i can provide the plugins |
| 22:59.43 | jacques_pre | we went to imax 3d but left because of the glasses/3d process |
| 22:59.46 | zsoc | spotter: yes, me and ajames talked about a file indexer C service, back in the day before he disappeared |
| 23:00.16 | spotter | heck, it be relatively easy to have service that just forked mplayer to play music |
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| 23:00.26 | spotter | pass it a file an have it just play |
| 23:00.33 | zsoc | spotter: and honestly, if i could find him, i'm 75% sure he could actually do the binary patch/hack for the existing indexer |
| 23:00.37 | spotter | and then if called again, signal(-9) it |
| 23:00.46 | zsoc | ~seen ajames |
| 23:00.47 | infobot | ajames <n=ajames@216.160.189.238> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 40d 20h 51m 53s ago, saying: 'what's it from?'. |
| 23:00.59 | spotter | he's dead jim |
| 23:01.01 | spotter | ;) |
| 23:01.15 | zsoc | lulzyes |
| 23:01.27 | zsoc | anyway, i have some artwork to mangle |
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| 23:16.18 | rwhitby | xcomp: hmm - regarding nightly widk builds - is there anything in there which is not open source? |
| 23:17.18 | xcomp | hmm...if you excluded palm binaries |
| 23:17.27 | xcomp | scripted that portion |
| 23:17.37 | xcomp | everything else should be open source |
| 23:17.51 | xcomp | that admittedly is easier said than done though |
| 23:19.59 | xcomp | .oOo. ldd /usr/bin/mplayer | wc -l |
| 23:19.59 | xcomp | 124 |
| 23:20.06 | xcomp | (damn) |
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| 23:20.57 | xcomp | rwhitby: btw, I just tried twice with ethumb and got no errors |
| 23:21.02 | zsoc | I love me some path/pen tool |
| 23:21.14 | xcomp | rwhitby: completely fresh git checkout |
| 23:21.31 | rwhitby | xcomp: do you have e libs installed on the host? |
| 23:21.53 | rwhitby | xcomp: do we have any palm binaries in widk which are not covered by opensource.palm.com? |
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| 23:22.18 | zsoc | rwhitby: it's ok if it's extracted by the doctor, no? |
| 23:22.33 | xcomp | rwhitby: yes, but none of them appear to be available inside scratchbox |
| 23:23.24 | xcomp | rwhitby: i'll try to see if I can get my virtualbox setup working later, hopefully I can duplicate it then |
| 23:23.57 | rwhitby | zsoc: no, it's not ok if it comes from the doctor. it's only ok if the file from palm is open source licensed (e.g. is buildable from stuff on opensource.palm.com) |
| 23:24.15 | xcomp | yeah, that's why I said those would have to be script-downloaded |
| 23:24.33 | xcomp | even if it's on palm.com we still don't build it anyway |
| 23:24.48 | rwhitby | my question is what libs do we use that are not on opensource.palm.com ? |
| 23:24.53 | PuffTheMagic_ | rwhitby: i think it should be more than nightly builds |
| 23:25.04 | destinal | rwhitby: we can USE libs that are not open source |
| 23:25.11 | xcomp | rwhitby: other than efl, I don't know |
| 23:25.12 | destinal | right? |
| 23:25.27 | rwhitby | destinal: we can use them, but not distribute them in a nightly build |
| 23:25.36 | destinal | right |
| 23:25.37 | xcomp | but then the point is to try to skip the lengthy configure and make install process for each lib |
| 23:25.58 | rwhitby | xcomp: sorry, what palm libs do we have in the staging area which are not open source programs listed on opensource.palm.com |
| 23:25.59 | PuffTheMagic_ | destinal: im having issues with this ioctl thing |
| 23:26.17 | xcomp | hmm...there's a few |
| 23:26.38 | xcomp | the ones that are bsd licensed, which palm isn't obligated to post source |
| 23:26.51 | rwhitby | xcomp: I think we need to change the build process to handle *those* specially (with a different target) and then we can build and distribute the rest) |
| 23:27.07 | xcomp | trying to remember specifically now |
| 23:27.24 | xcomp | fontconfig is one |
| 23:27.35 | rwhitby | hmm - even if the source was bsd licensed, that doesn't give us the right to redistribute the binary from palm's doctor |
| 23:28.10 | xcomp | yeah, definitely - if it isn't gpl we can't distribute the binary |
| 23:28.22 | rwhitby | (unless we have the full source code to rebuild it). |
| 23:28.31 | xcomp | still we couldn't |
| 23:28.36 | xcomp | we could distribute our own build |
| 23:28.39 | rwhitby | right |
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| 23:28.52 | xcomp | but we have no idea what modifications palm has made |
| 23:29.13 | rwhitby | right - we need the *full* source code, including modifications, before we can redistribute |
| 23:29.47 | rwhitby | (and even then, as you said, we'd need to distribute our binary, not theirs) |
| 23:30.26 | xcomp | but if it is gpl, then we can distribute the palm binary since by the terms of the license nothing it cannot contain proprietary code |
| 23:30.35 | rwhitby | agreed |
| 23:31.49 | xcomp | man ... mplayer is going to be a bit of a project |
| 23:32.00 | xcomp | all these codec libs |
| 23:32.12 | PuffTheMagic_ | destinal: nm got it working |
| 23:32.17 | xcomp | plus alsa, pulseaudio |
| 23:33.37 | xcomp | it's probably better to try to use emotion even though it would be a similar amount of work with libxine |
| 23:33.59 | xcomp | but then with emotion the video is an evas object so you can do cool things with it |
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| 23:36.32 | xcomp | yeah I think xine is a much better approach... |
| 23:36.43 | xcomp | just add ogg/vorbis |
| 23:36.51 | Mousey | and jabber |
| 23:43.13 | dBsooner | HP Envy VS MBP? |
| 23:44.41 | xcomp | ok, so for xine i need pulseaudio, alsa, ogg/vorbis, perhaps theora, libfaad and flac |
| 23:45.33 | VincentLaw | FINALLY got my encoding issues figured out, and I finally have a working script for importing the palm catalog to sql. woohoo |
| 23:48.11 | Kyusaku | project appetizer |
| 23:48.31 | VincentLaw | ? |
| 23:51.42 | Kyusaku | nothing |
| 23:54.29 | PuffTheMagic_ | xcomp: u pull terminus? |
| 23:54.44 | PuffTheMagic_ | xcomp: cause i just pushed 2 commits |
| 23:54.50 | xcomp | PuffTheMagic_: not yet |
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| 23:59.17 | rboatright | hi |
