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| 00:12.15 | oilsworkn | what, i just quit? |
| 00:12.48 | Ron001 | u lose power at home? |
| 00:13.04 | oilsworkn | idk, im not there |
| 00:13.20 | Ron001 | but you logged off from there? |
| 00:13.41 | oilsworkn | maybe the internet just hiccupped |
| 00:13.46 | oilsworkn | oil_ is here now |
| 00:13.49 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 00:14.32 | Ron001 | I know my house power is out when my vonage forwards my home calls to my cell |
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| 00:15.56 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: just create one :-) |
| 00:16.07 | AnOutsider | create a whole wiki? |
| 00:16.16 | oilsworkn | a page in the wiki covering what you want |
| 00:16.22 | oilsworkn | oh, and fill it with information |
| 00:16.28 | AnOutsider | I just wanted to add some info, dont know if anyone jotted down the param to open amazon store and searcg |
| 00:17.05 | egaudet | rwhitby, package manager service doesn't have to set the hidden flag and there should be an option in preware to display hidden |
| 00:17.46 | oilsworkn | will never understand the will to hide things |
| 00:18.16 | egaudet | Ron001, pong |
| 00:18.33 | egaudet | oilsworkn, the average user doesn't need to know/care about certain things |
| 00:19.16 | oilsworkn | just because they don't need to, doesn't mean it should be hidden from them unless they flip on some option |
| 00:19.18 | Ron001 | egaudet: was traffic ok? :) So, when I run /opt/bin/ssh-keygen, I get the error -sh: /opt/bin/ssh-keygen: not found. I cant get past step 1. |
| 00:19.41 | egaudet | oilsworkn, why not? if a package can never be used by them directly why on earth not hide it? |
| 00:20.11 | egaudet | Ron001, try to reboot phone |
| 00:20.31 | Ron001 | ok |
| 00:20.36 | rwhitby | Ron001: which openssh package do you have installed? |
| 00:20.46 | Ron001 | the one from preware |
| 00:20.53 | rwhitby | (in preware, what is listed as the package id for the package you have installed) |
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| 00:21.33 | Ron001 | 5.3.1-3 |
| 00:22.00 | Ron001 | oh, you mean mobi.optware.openssh |
| 00:22.54 | rwhitby | ok, good. |
| 00:23.00 | rwhitby | Ron001: do you have command line access on the Pre? |
| 00:23.14 | Ron001 | yes, thats where I'm getting the error. |
| 00:23.36 | rwhitby | Ron001: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps files mobi.optware.openssh |
| 00:23.51 | rwhitby | Ron001: is ssh-keygen in the list returned by that command? |
| 00:25.09 | egaudet | rwhitby, I think I've seen the problem before I vaguely remember |
| 00:25.21 | Ron001 | yes |
| 00:26.21 | egaudet | last time had to phone reboot due to odd mounting/service issue IIRC |
| 00:26.34 | schulman | Has anyone played with PmIpcDispatch? you can do lots of fun stuff, like call all of the "tel." IPCs from TelephonyInterfaceLayerCdma |
| 00:26.58 | Ron001 | I'll reboot and see if it works |
| 00:29.27 | schulman | trying to see if there is a better signal strength metric in there |
| 00:29.29 | schulman | somewhere |
| 00:30.00 | oilsworkn | well im going home |
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| 00:32.23 | rwhitby | schulman: can you document what you find on a wiki page please? |
| 00:32.29 | schulman | yeah |
| 00:32.40 | schulman | I hope this is not getting into any sketchyness with the TIL |
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| 00:32.52 | schulman | weird people out there trying to unlock their phones and such |
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| 00:33.25 | Ron001 | I still get a file not found error |
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| 00:36.38 | rwhitby | schulman: info on the TIL executable public interface is fine. |
| 00:37.03 | rwhitby | Ron001: what's the output of "ls -l /opt/bin/ssh-keygen" ? |
| 00:37.12 | schulman | I mean, I am seeing what calls exist by looking at strings of TelephonyInterfaceLayer |
| 00:37.14 | schulman | not sure how public that is |
| 00:37.16 | schulman | but yeah |
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| 00:37.47 | Ron001 | no such file or directory |
| 00:38.04 | rwhitby | as long as you don't start binary patching that exe to do stuff, then you're just documenting the interface that Palm provides. |
| 00:38.12 | rwhitby | Ron001: reinstall the openssh package |
| 00:38.51 | Ron001 | I did once, but I'll do it again. I don't need to reboot between or anything, right? |
| 00:39.04 | rwhitby | right |
| 00:39.44 | schulman | sounds resonable |
| 00:40.09 | schulman | yeah they are fun |
| 00:40.26 | Ron001 | rwhitby: does openssh have any dependancies? |
| 00:40.55 | schulman | PmIpcDispatch phone tel.dial s=5551231414 s=5551231414 makes the phone call that number |
| 00:40.56 | schulman | for example |
| 00:40.57 | schulman | kinda fun |
| 00:41.04 | schulman | oh you need a -o s at the end too |
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| 00:42.15 | rwhitby | Ron001: yes, but keygen should just be in the mobi.optware.openssh package |
| 00:42.45 | jacques_ | schulman: have you found how to send/receive a SMS ? I would love to know that |
| 00:42.47 | rwhitby | Ron001: I'm assuming you're using Preware to do the installs. |
| 00:43.23 | egaudet | maybe the postinst didn't run |
| 00:43.36 | Ron001 | rwhitby: yes. and I asked because I Dr'd my pre monday, but didn't know to wipe it first, so Preware thought I had stuff installed that I didn't |
| 00:43.58 | rwhitby | schulman: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/PmIpcDispatch |
| 00:44.49 | rwhitby | notes the palmcast starts in 15 mins |
| 00:44.51 | Ron001 | rwhitby: "ls -l /opt/bin/ssh-keygen" still gives "file not found" |
| 00:45.05 | schulman | jacques, let me see |
| 00:45.10 | rwhitby | Ron001: what does "mount | grep opt" say ? |
| 00:45.33 | Ron001 | how do I type | |
| 00:46.30 | Ron001 | perhaps I can hold the phone in landscape and type _ |
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| 00:50.40 | egaudet | lol |
| 00:50.40 | jacques_ | Ron001: it's on the symbol popup |
| 00:50.57 | egaudet | I think it's orange+. in terminal |
| 00:51.59 | Mousey | orange-. |
| 00:52.03 | Mousey | =| |
| 00:52.27 | Ron001 | got it. and there was no output |
| 00:52.36 | Mousey | did it wrong |
| 00:52.50 | Mousey | maybe you're using a different terminal program? |
| 00:52.53 | rwhitby | Ron001: sounds like org.webosinternals.optware is not installed |
| 00:54.34 | schulman | jacques, it looks like the sms call requires more parameters then you can enter into that Ipc dispatcher |
| 00:54.38 | Ron001 | bootstrap? |
| 00:54.55 | schulman | jacques, it complains and says, too many parameters |
| 00:55.07 | jacques_ | schulman: interresting... |
| 00:55.19 | schulman | but, if you know how to send these palm IPCs without the little Dispatcher tool |
| 00:55.27 | schulman | which I am sure an strace of the dispatcher tool would tell you |
| 00:55.30 | schulman | you would be in shape |
| 00:55.35 | jacques_ | I *really* want to be able to send/receive SMS programmatically |
| 00:56.03 | egaudet | jacques_, what is stopping you? |
| 00:56.09 | jacques_ | maybe I should just look at the messaging app ... |
| 00:56.14 | dtz | jacques_: where'd you get with the x stuff? |
| 00:56.20 | jacques_ | egaudet: I don't know how :-) |
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| 00:56.43 | jacques_ | egaudet: I haven't seen it documented anywhere |
| 00:56.46 | schulman | I would guess there are luna IPCs for sendingsms |
| 00:57.20 | egaudet | where have precentral been? |
| 00:57.25 | jacques_ | dtz: I am just about to leave work - will be back on in maybe 30 minutes ? |
| 00:58.17 | jacques_ | dtz: main problems are 1) I haven't been able to get mouse nor keyboard input to work 2) sometimes Xsdl crashes, but this may be because I was doing weird stuff |
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| 00:59.36 | dtz | jacques_: but does it run on the pre? or this pc testing for now? |
| 00:59.42 | jacques_ | dtz: as a test, I also built Xephyr and mouse works fine with it - it might be as simple as comparing the two, tho I don't yet fully understand how the SDL input is intended to integrate with the "X stuff" in Xsdl |
| 00:59.58 | jacques_ | dtz: haven't tried anything on Pre yet |
| 01:00.15 | jacques_ | I would be happy to get input working on my laptop at this point |
| 01:00.52 | jacques_ | I suspect there may be a few deps when we try building for the Pre |
| 01:01.26 | jacques_ | I did --disable just about everything I could in my last build tho and that took the deps down - also I think most of the deps are because SDL on my laptop is built to run under X |
| 01:01.40 | Ron001 | rwhitby: ok, optware was not installed. It was something else Preware thought was, but wasn't becasue I didn't wipe the phone before Dr'ing it. I think I have reinstalled ALL the services now, and keygen is working. :) |
| 01:02.19 | rwhitby | Ron001: cool |
| 01:02.44 | egaudet | ahhh, now the light goes off |
| 01:02.52 | egaudet | damn doctor messing things up |
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| 01:03.22 | jacques_ | dtz: anyway, I'll be back on in about 30 minutes |
| 01:03.37 | VincentLaw | :/ |
| 01:03.44 | VincentLaw | what are you guys doing now :p |
| 01:04.15 | Ron001 | thanks everyone. I'm heading home now. |
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| 01:08.58 | Abyssul | dbsooner: ping |
| 01:09.22 | VincentLaw | Ping? Pong! |
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| 01:42.44 | jacques | what did I miss? oops, dinnertime! :-D |
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| 01:46.21 | rwhitby | schulman: thx |
| 01:46.30 | schulman | rwhitby: getting there |
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| 01:56.19 | rwhitby | jacques: we got a scale volunteer shout out on the palmcast |
| 01:58.10 | schulman | rwhitby: where do I put the link to PmIpcDispatch? |
| 01:59.03 | destinal-pre | rwhitby: scale? |
| 02:00.56 | rwhitby | schulman: research portal |
| 02:01.00 | rwhitby | destinal-pre: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/ |
| 02:01.10 | destinal-pre | sucks |
| 02:01.14 | rwhitby | destinal-pre: we have a booth |
| 02:01.21 | destinal-pre | no palmcast |
| 02:01.32 | rwhitby | in the dotOrg pavilion |
| 02:01.36 | destinal-pre | on pre |
| 02:01.49 | destinal-pre | rwhitby: cool |
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| 02:15.54 | applover | I need help with preware pls |
| 02:18.05 | destinal-pre | applover: more specificity is needed |
| 02:18.32 | rwhitby | ~smart-questions |
| 02:18.33 | infobot | [smart-questions] http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 02:24.29 | destinal-pre | rwhitby: good faq/guide. somehow I'd never seen it before |
| 02:24.29 | PuffTheMagic | everyone watching LOST? |
| 02:27.25 | xenoph0be | not watching lost... its better without commercials |
| 02:28.18 | PuffTheMagic | yeah iDVRing it |
| 02:29.25 | xenoph0be | i like to wait until i've got several episodes |
| 02:29.37 | xenoph0be | so when the cliff hanger hits... i fire up the next ep |
| 02:29.59 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 02:30.06 | PuffTheMagic | u cantdo that for the first episode |
| 02:30.36 | jacques | rwhitby, nice! |
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| 02:35.19 | xenoph0be | fun fun |
| 02:37.04 | gkatsev | so, how do i enabled the preware alpha feed? |
| 02:37.37 | gkatsev | oh, nvm, figured it out |
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| 02:49.46 | gkatsev | woohoo, freetether and other stuff |
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| 02:54.27 | zsoc | Who maintains infobot? |
| 02:55.08 | gkatsev | tim riker |
| 02:55.13 | gkatsev | infobot: info |
| 02:55.18 | gkatsev | ~about |
| 02:55.19 | infobot | http://www.infobot.org/ - /msg infobot help for a list of commands - http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html for a guide |
| 02:55.26 | gkatsev | ~owner |
| 02:55.27 | infobot | TimRiker is my owner |
| 02:55.34 | zsoc | rwhitby: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/exhibitors <-- where's webos-internals? :D |
| 02:55.42 | zsoc | gkatsev: thank you :) |
| 02:55.58 | bpadalino | zsoc, in the text at the bottom |
| 02:56.04 | bpadalino | http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/exhibitor/webos-internals |
| 02:56.16 | zsoc | bpadalino: ah, apparently I can't spell |
| 02:56.25 | zsoc | either that or I don't understand the idea of "alphabetical order" |
| 02:56.45 | bpadalino | :) |
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| 03:00.38 | zsoc | infobot, asktoask means "don't ask to ask, just ask" |
| 03:00.45 | zsoc | infobot, asktoask is "don't ask to ask, just ask" |
| 03:00.46 | infobot | ...but asktoask is already something else... |
| 03:00.46 | jacques | zsoc, it's on the second page |
| 03:00.50 | gkatsev | ~ask |
| 03:00.51 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 03:01.01 | gkatsev | zsoc: :) |
| 03:01.22 | zsoc | er.. that's interesting. |
| 03:01.25 | jacques | zsoc, http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/exhibitors?page=1 |
| 03:01.27 | zsoc | What is asktoask? |
| 03:01.33 | gkatsev | ~asktoask |
| 03:01.34 | infobot | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 03:01.36 | zsoc | ha |
| 03:01.44 | zsoc | infobot: tell zsoc about asktoask |
| 03:01.45 | gkatsev | or |
| 03:01.47 | gkatsev | infobot: asktoask |
| 03:01.48 | infobot | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 03:01.59 | zsoc | Hm, he privmsgs me! lol |
| 03:02.04 | gkatsev | yeah |
| 03:02.23 | gkatsev | tell by default does /msg. you can change it if you roll your own. |
| 03:02.37 | gkatsev | zsoc: take a look at the guide. |
| 03:02.39 | gkatsev | ~about |
| 03:02.39 | infobot | http://www.infobot.org/ - /msg infobot help for a list of commands - http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html for a guide |
| 03:02.44 | zsoc | ty |
| 03:02.47 | zsoc | ~random |
| 03:03.05 | zsoc | infobot: coinflip is heads|tails |
| 03:03.06 | infobot | okay, zsoc |
| 03:03.11 | zsoc | ~coinflip |
| 03:03.12 | infobot | coinflip is, like, heads|tails |
| 03:03.15 | zsoc | hm.. |
| 03:03.26 | gkatsev | infobot: no, coinflip is <reply> heads|tails |
| 03:03.26 | infobot | okay, gkatsev |
| 03:03.30 | gkatsev | ~coinflip |
| 03:03.31 | infobot | heads|tails |
| 03:03.35 | gkatsev | lol |
| 03:03.52 | gkatsev | infobot: no, coinflip is <reply> heads | tails |
| 03:03.53 | infobot | okay, gkatsev |
| 03:03.55 | zsoc | lulzget |
| 03:03.58 | gkatsev | ~coinflip |
| 03:03.59 | infobot | heads | tails |
| 03:04.10 | zsoc | karma for zsoc |
| 03:04.18 | zsoc | infobot: Clearly we need to upgrade you :D |
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| 03:05.42 | acydlord | zsoc, maybe the coin landed on edge? |
| 03:05.47 | gkatsev | haha |
| 03:05.54 | gkatsev | ~forget coinflip |
| 03:05.54 | infobot | gkatsev: i forgot coinflip |
| 03:05.59 | zsoc | maybe it needs two pipes? |
| 03:06.03 | gkatsev | ~coinflip is heads|tails |
| 03:06.04 | infobot | gkatsev: okay |
| 03:06.07 | gkatsev | ~coinflip |
| 03:06.07 | infobot | i heard coinflip is heads|tails |
| 03:06.09 | acydlord | i could use two pipes |
| 03:06.16 | gkatsev | ~coinflip is heads|tails |
| 03:06.17 | infobot | gkatsev: i already had it that way |
| 03:06.18 | gkatsev | ~forget coinflip |
| 03:06.18 | infobot | gkatsev: i forgot coinflip |
| 03:06.28 | gkatsev | ~coinflip is <reply> |heads|tails |
| 03:06.29 | infobot | gkatsev: okay |
| 03:06.32 | gkatsev | ~coinflip |
| 03:06.33 | infobot | |heads|tails |
| 03:06.36 | gkatsev | ~forget coinflip |
| 03:06.36 | infobot | i forgot coinflip, gkatsev |
| 03:06.45 | gkatsev | ~coinflip is <reply> heads \| tails |
| 03:06.45 | infobot | okay, gkatsev |
| 03:06.46 | zsoc | infobot: no, coinflip <reply> IT IS ALWAYS HEADS, STOP ASKING! |
| 03:06.47 | infobot | zsoc: what are you talking about? |
| 03:06.53 | acydlord | infobot arm the weapons |
| 03:06.54 | gkatsev | ~coinflip |
| 03:06.55 | infobot | heads | tails |
| 03:06.55 | zsoc | infobot: no, coinflip is <reply> IT IS ALWAYS HEADS, STOP ASKING! |
| 03:06.56 | infobot | okay, zsoc |
| 03:06.58 | gkatsev | dammit... |
| 03:07.06 | zsoc | xD |
| 03:07.11 | zsoc | broke everything |
| 03:07.13 | gkatsev | escaping the | didnt work... |
| 03:07.24 | gkatsev | ~coinflip |
| 03:07.24 | infobot | IT IS ALWAYS HEADS, STOP ASKING! |
| 03:07.44 | gkatsev | ~no, coinflip is <reply> heads \| tails |
| 03:07.55 | gkatsev | infobot: no, coinflip is <reply> heads \| tails |
| 03:07.55 | infobot | gkatsev: okay |
| 03:07.58 | gkatsev | ~coinflip |
| 03:07.59 | infobot | heads | tails |
| 03:08.05 | gkatsev | infobot: no, coinflip is <reply> heads || tails |
| 03:08.06 | infobot | gkatsev: okay |
| 03:08.08 | gkatsev | ~coinflip |
| 03:08.09 | infobot | [coinflip] tails |
| 03:08.16 | zsoc | YEY |
| 03:08.24 | gkatsev | ~coinflip |
| 03:08.24 | infobot | coinflip is probably tails |
| 03:08.29 | gkatsev | lol |
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| 03:08.42 | gkatsev | ~coinflip |
| 03:08.43 | infobot | somebody said coinflip was tails |
| 03:08.49 | gkatsev | hahahahahaha |
| 03:08.52 | zsoc | lol |
| 03:08.54 | gkatsev | ~forget coinflip |
| 03:08.54 | infobot | gkatsev: i forgot coinflip |
| 03:10.45 | zsoc | how is it with whitespace? |
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| 03:10.53 | gkatsev | like | |? |
| 03:11.19 | gkatsev | ~coinflip is <reply> heads | tails | side |
| 03:11.20 | infobot | gkatsev: okay |
| 03:11.24 | gkatsev | ~coinflip |
| 03:11.25 | infobot | heads | tails | side |
| 03:11.46 | gkatsev | infobot: no, coinflip is <reply> heads | | tails |
| 03:11.47 | infobot | okay, gkatsev |
| 03:11.52 | gkatsev | ~coinflip |
| 03:11.53 | infobot | heads | | tails |
| 03:12.06 | gkatsev | infobot: no, coinflip is <reply> heads \| tails |
| 03:12.07 | infobot | gkatsev: okay |
| 03:12.09 | gkatsev | ~coinflip |
| 03:12.10 | infobot | heads | tails |
| 03:12.15 | zsoc | er, i meant definitions that include spaces |
| 03:12.16 | gkatsev | ~botsmack |
| 03:12.17 | infobot | OWW! |
| 03:12.18 | zsoc | like 2 words |
| 03:12.47 | gkatsev | ~inlcudes two workds is a sentence that has two or more words |
| 03:12.48 | infobot | gkatsev: okay |
| 03:12.51 | gkatsev | ~includes two workds |
| 03:13.08 | gkatsev | ~botsmack |
| 03:13.09 | infobot | OWW! |
| 03:13.30 | gkatsev | ~forget inlcudes two workds |
| 03:13.30 | infobot | gkatsev: i forgot inlcudes two workds |
| 03:13.46 | zsoc | infobot: is\ is is a verb |
| 03:13.47 | infobot | zsoc: I think you lost me on that one |
| 03:13.48 | gkatsev | ~includes two words is a sentence that has two or more words |
| 03:13.49 | infobot | okay, gkatsev |
| 03:13.51 | zsoc | LOL |
| 03:13.57 | gkatsev | ~includes two words |
| 03:13.57 | infobot | somebody said includes two words was a sentence that has two or more words |
| 03:14.02 | zsoc | ah |
| 03:14.06 | zsoc | ~includes |
| 03:14.16 | zsoc | nice |
| 03:15.16 | zsoc | ~my wallet would be a funny thing to forget |
| 03:15.39 | zsoc | ... |
| 03:15.49 | zsoc | ~my wallet is a funny thing to forget |
| 03:15.50 | infobot | zsoc: okay |
| 03:15.58 | zsoc | infobot: forget my wallet |
| 03:15.58 | infobot | i forgot my wallet, zsoc |
| 03:16.06 | zsoc | infobot: i'm sorry to hear that, can i buy you lunch? |
| 03:16.10 | zsoc | zsoc++ |
| 03:16.12 | zsoc | allllllright |
| 03:17.26 | gkatsev | lol |
| 03:17.31 | gkatsev | ~botsnack |
| 03:17.31 | infobot | aw, gee, gkatsev |
| 03:26.23 | oc80z | infobot: gkatsev is <action> *** HACKER ALERT *** |
| 03:26.23 | infobot | ...but gkatsev is already something else... |
| 03:26.32 | gkatsev | ~gkatsev |
| 03:26.33 | infobot | gkatsev is awesome |
| 03:26.34 | oc80z | infobot no, gkatsev is <action> *** HACKER ALERT *** |
| 03:26.35 | infobot | oc80z: okay |
| 03:26.44 | gkatsev | lol |
| 03:26.45 | oc80z | :P |
| 03:26.50 | oc80z | now we know! |
| 03:26.57 | oc80z | Its official! |
| 03:27.04 | gkatsev | infobot: gkatsev is also awesome |
| 03:27.05 | infobot | okay, gkatsev |
| 03:27.10 | gkatsev | ~gkatsev |
| 03:27.11 | infobot | ACTION *** HACKER ALERT ***, or awesome |
| 03:27.17 | oc80z | thhhhhth |
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| 03:27.21 | gkatsev | lol |
| 03:27.54 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v destinal-home] by ChanServ |
| 03:30.56 | rick-home | oh ghods, guys, do we have to turn the infobot off again? |
| 03:31.07 | gkatsev | no |
| 03:31.09 | gkatsev | >.> |
| 03:31.10 | gkatsev | <.< |
| 03:31.16 | destinal-home | rick-home: buy hey, I haven't gotten to play with it yet :P |
| 03:31.31 | gkatsev | rick-home: blame zsoc |
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| 03:31.33 | destinal-home | infobot: forget destinal |
| 03:31.33 | infobot | i forgot destinal, destinal-home |
| 03:31.35 | rick-home | enuf for one night ok? Play more tommorow |
| 03:31.36 | destinal-home | ~destinal is <action> denies all knowledge of destinal. |
| 03:31.37 | infobot | destinal-home: okay |
| 03:31.41 | destinal-home | ~destinal |
| 03:31.42 | infobot | ACTION denies all knowledge of destinal. |
| 03:31.59 | zsoc | rick-home: yes dad |
| 03:32.45 | destinal-home | rick-home: ok, I'm happy now :) |
| 03:32.59 | rick-home | destinal good |
| 03:33.05 | rick-home | pat pat pat |
| 03:33.23 | rick-home | so, did we decide that building X for the pre is just silly? |
| 03:33.37 | rick-home | because it looks like that is the only way I'm getting a gui editor. |
| 03:33.39 | destinal-home | I had no idea infobot could be taught more than just name / value combinations in the "x is y" format |
| 03:33.42 | rick-home | and I'm not happy about it. |
| 03:33.54 | rick-home | destinal rtfm |
| 03:33.59 | destinal-home | rick-home: indeed |
| 03:34.29 | destinal-home | rick-home: you want a gui editor? why didn't you say so? :) |
| 03:34.32 | rick-home | anyone? Someone built x-sdl this afternoon just as I was going home... |
| 03:34.45 | rick-home | destinal-home I'VE BEEN SAYING SO SINCE JUNE |
| 03:34.50 | rick-home | I want to edit rtf files. |
| 03:34.52 | rick-home | or docs |
| 03:34.59 | rick-home | or SOMETHING besides plain text |
| 03:35.13 | rick-home | and nothing in Mojo can SAVE a file, although there IS a javascript RTF editor |
| 03:37.10 | rick-home | there, see, I say things like that, and they all run away like I was carrying a snake. |
| 03:37.23 | rick-home | Docs to Go isn't going to get me an editor any time soon. |
| 03:37.42 | PuffTheMagic | rick-home: yo |
| 03:37.46 | rick-home | you back |
| 03:37.49 | PuffTheMagic | im gonna make a editor |
| 03:37.55 | rick-home | yippee... |
| 03:37.56 | PuffTheMagic | with Elementary |
| 03:38.13 | destinal-home | rick-home: well, if you can write it in mojo, plugins can't be that hard to stream to and from disk with |
| 03:38.38 | zsoc | raster: aus censorship law got repealed i heard? |
| 03:39.03 | rick-home | http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary ??? |
| 03:40.11 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
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| 03:43.00 | rick-home | the only problem with mojo editors is that they produce xhtml internally, basically, pretend I install a copy of fckeditor inside a mojo app. |
| 03:43.20 | raster | zsoc: no. just a south-australians law requiring stating your real name and address on any political commentry on-line during elections |
| 03:43.35 | raster | rick-home: that is indeed elementary |
| 03:43.39 | raster | itsa a bit old now |
| 03:43.49 | raster | elm has moved ona lot sicne i updated. that wiki last |
| 03:44.34 | raster | rick-home: ... |
| 03:44.35 | raster | http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=home |
| 03:44.44 | raster | http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=about&l=en |
| 03:44.51 | raster | http://docs.enlightenment.org/auto/elementary/ |
| 03:44.56 | raster | http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Elementary |
| 03:45.03 | raster | those should be relevant |
| 03:45.12 | zsoc | raster: ah, so just the ridiculous impossible to enforce law thought up by ignorant clowns? |
| 03:45.52 | raster | http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/TMP/st/elementary |
| 03:45.56 | raster | alwso |
| 03:46.20 | raster | http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/TMP/st/elementary/src/bin |
| 03:46.24 | raster | good source of example |
| 03:46.26 | raster | code |
| 03:46.32 | raster | http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/TMP/st/elementary/src/lib/Elementary.h.in |
| 03:46.44 | raster | and header (well before it has some munging by configure to add include lines) |
| 03:46.58 | raster | zsoc: yes. clown-law repealed |
| 03:47.07 | raster | the inernet censorship thing is still aalive and well |
| 03:47.13 | raster | i'ver had my say on that one |
| 03:47.24 | raster | http://www.rasterman.com/ |
| 03:48.25 | rick-home | so raster, how hard would it be to do an RTF editor in that system? |
| 03:49.10 | raster | rick-home: dunno.. i guess it can be done |
| 03:49.12 | raster | there is an entry |
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| 03:49.25 | raster | and it handles markup teext formatting |
| 03:49.31 | raster | its not a speed demon tho |
| 03:52.43 | rick-home | well. the problem I have every time I look at a document editor on the pre is that every parser I can find that actually claims to be fully functional and working is in c# or java. -- well, that's not true, there is a quite good RTF parser in perl, and a not horrific on in php |
| 03:52.49 | rick-home | but that doesn't help much |
| 03:57.06 | oc80z | whats good rw |
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| 03:59.00 | rick-home | not too much tonight |
| 04:00.10 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v rick-home] by ChanServ |
| 04:00.45 | rick-home | I managed to put a damper on everyone's fun |
| 04:00.59 | rick-home | I should tell infobot to start an infinite loop. |
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| 04:03.52 | farms | afternoon all |
| 04:04.14 | rick-home | Hi farms. |
| 04:04.18 | rick-home | say something fun |
| 04:04.36 | farms | bang bang skeet skeet |
| 04:04.59 | farms | extra fun |
| 04:05.34 | zsoc | ahhahaha |
| 04:05.50 | zsoc | farms: you on wirc on your pre plus? :> |
| 04:06.30 | farms | yesm |
| 04:06.44 | farms | loves me pre plus |
| 04:06.45 | zsoc | excellent, first of many i hope |
| 04:07.22 | farms | I think so, I talk about it all the time |
| 04:07.39 | zsoc | webos is pretty much amazing |
| 04:08.40 | farms | agreed zsoc |
| 04:10.37 | farms | I had the iphone patch on here but I want websites to know I'm a palm pre |
| 04:10.49 | farms | wish they played nice |
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| 04:11.58 | zsoc | they are getting better, give it a few months :) |
| 04:12.09 | rwhitby | Do we have a privacy patch yet? |
| 04:12.20 | rwhitby | i.e. a patch which turns off all phone-home functionality permanently |
| 04:12.44 | zsoc | rwhitby: i don't think there's enough information about what is happening |
| 04:13.00 | xorg | yo all, have a question about editing /etc/fstab... |
| 04:13.07 | rwhitby | I also need a 'only sync email when on wifi' patch |
| 04:13.18 | rwhitby | xorg: simple answer: don't do it |
| 04:13.33 | xorg | get mounting /dev/mapper/store-root on / failed: Device or resource busy... after editing... reboot, it goes away. |
| 04:13.44 | xorg | but didn't touch entry related to / |
| 04:14.35 | xorg | seems like any change to /etc/fstab causes this |
| 04:14.57 | rick-home | rwhitby there's a service api that tells if you're on wifi. |
| 04:15.38 | rwhitby | rick-home: yeah, I know where all the info is, I just need to work out the best way to patch it. |
| 04:15.48 | rwhitby | I was hoping Jason would get to it first ;-) |
| 04:16.25 | xorg | rwhitby, /etc/fstab is what i use to map cifs mountpoint for dropbox/backup |
| 04:16.56 | xorg | it works fine, but get that error message until a reboot... all ok after a reboot |
| 04:16.59 | rwhitby | xorg: a less intrusive way is a uniquely named upstart script which mounts it |
| 04:17.11 | zsoc | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1265170408255.jpg |
| 04:17.12 | rwhitby | (since /etc/fstab *will* be overwritten by OTA updates regularly) |
| 04:17.30 | rwhitby | and changes to /etc/fstab could possibly cause the endless update syndrome |
| 04:17.41 | xorg | i guess i'll swtich to a manual mount cifs command |
| 04:19.03 | xorg | i noticed optware makes a /opt entry in fstab |
| 04:19.16 | rwhitby | xorg: no it doesn't |
| 04:19.38 | rwhitby | optware touches no palm files |
| 04:19.56 | xorg | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.06 | xorg | did optware bootstrap do that? |
| 04:20.44 | rwhitby | optware bootstrap adds the org.webosinternals.optware upstart script which does the bind mount |
| 04:20.50 | rwhitby | it does not modify /etc/fsta |
| 04:20.51 | rwhitby | b |
| 04:21.08 | xorg | ok |
| 04:21.52 | xorg | i'll switch to using full mount command in dropbox/backup |
| 04:22.15 | rwhitby | yeah, don't be a mytether and mess with palm files :-) |
| 04:24.28 | bpadalino | hahah |
| 04:24.32 | bpadalino | don't be a mytether |
| 04:24.40 | bpadalino | good quote |
| 04:24.53 | egaudet | messing with Palm files isn't the issue I do not believe |
| 04:26.20 | egaudet | it's messing with ipkg database |
| 04:26.21 | rick-home | ok, don't be a mytether and SCREW UP palm files. |
| 04:26.28 | xorg | hehe... don't want to do that! :) |
| 04:26.39 | xorg | that's why i have you guys... keep me inline. |
| 04:26.41 | egaudet | don't be a mytether lol I like it |
| 04:27.02 | egaudet | DBAM! |
| 04:27.15 | xorg | haha |
| 04:27.50 | xorg | manual cifs mount works fine wth no fstab... |
| 04:29.03 | xorg | so i guess i should not do /etc/hosts eithere... |
| 04:29.25 | acydlord | wait, dropbox works on ARM? |
| 04:29.58 | xorg | acylord: no, i've done a workaround to dropbox via a windows pc that has it. |
| 04:30.13 | xorg | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Dropbox_Syncing |
| 04:30.41 | acydlord | ahh, rsync |
| 04:30.44 | VincentLaw | it's not really a dropbox sync IMO |
| 04:30.54 | VincentLaw | just more of a samba share + rsync |
| 04:31.06 | VincentLaw | since it doesn't actually support anything of dropbox :p |
| 04:31.12 | xorg | right, only one direction to in/outbox... |
| 04:31.13 | acydlord | ive been pushing dropbox from arm binaries of their service for years now =/ |
| 04:31.28 | rick-home | acydlord really? |
| 04:31.29 | xorg | but in the end, drop a file on any pc with dbx and it appears on pre |
| 04:31.49 | acydlord | rick-home, yeah I wanted dropbox on my maemo devices |
| 04:32.14 | rick-home | is the source available? |
| 04:32.24 | acydlord | unfortunately it's all closed |
| 04:32.35 | rick-home | are the classes available? |
| 04:32.49 | rick-home | or are you just a big big tease. |
| 04:33.03 | acydlord | lemme check, i dont remember them having much available other than binaries |
| 04:33.13 | destinal-home | acydlord: have you checked into ubuntu one? it's FOSS |
| 04:33.32 | destinal-home | and yeah, I know, someone needs to port the client to windows |
| 04:33.48 | acydlord | i used ubuntuOne when i had a fulltime ubuntu desktop, havent used it much since then since i use dropbox between windows and nix |
| 04:34.06 | xorg | ubuntu one would be great if it had a windows client |
| 04:35.03 | acydlord | https://www.dropbox.com/downloading?os=lnx |
| 04:35.08 | acydlord | looks like they have source up now |
| 04:35.23 | acydlord | they also have an iphone client, i believe it is browser based |
| 04:35.55 | xorg | source! |
| 04:36.07 | acydlord | glad to see they opensourcedit |
| 04:36.13 | acydlord | spacebar fail |
| 04:36.16 | zsoc | http://i.imgur.com/nP0Xu.jpg |
| 04:36.48 | rick-home | dropboxd is a per-user closed-source daemon process that makes sure your $HOME/Dropbox directory is properly synchronized with your other computers |
| 04:36.57 | rick-home | nope acydlord |
| 04:37.01 | acydlord | flail |
| 04:37.23 | acydlord | everyone go bug dropbox to release an arm version of dropboxd |
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| 04:37.39 | cryptk|work | bonjour |
| 04:37.56 | acydlord | haze |
| 04:37.57 | zsoc | no? no one? bah |
| 04:38.12 | Abyssul | I thought it was funny |
| 04:38.19 | zsoc | okay |
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| 04:38.52 | Kyusaku | hmmmm |
| 04:39.14 | cryptk|work | so I have noticed lately that apps show up in the feeds WAY before they show up in the catalog... |
| 04:39.20 | cryptk|work | sometimes even a day or 2 earlier... |
| 04:39.22 | Kyusaku | xorg is working on dropbox sync |
| 04:39.37 | rwhitby | Kyusaku: requires a PC intermediary |
| 04:39.59 | Kyusaku | yeah I've tested it |
| 04:40.01 | rwhitby | cryptk|work: preware has ESP |
| 04:40.07 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: lol |
| 04:40.08 | xorg | yeah, it's hokey, but it meets my needs for now |
| 04:40.27 | psykoz | hrmm assassin's creed II on iPhone, wonder if the WebOS port is close by as well |
| 04:40.32 | Kyusaku | it's something |
| 04:40.39 | cryptk|work | xorg: you using ubuntu one or dropbox? |
| 04:40.54 | xorg | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Dropbox_Syncing |
| 04:41.24 | xorg | i'd use ubunto one if they had a windows client as well |
| 04:41.50 | cryptk|work | ahh |
| 04:42.37 | acydlord | https://www.dropbox.com/votebox/358/linux-arm-support |
| 04:43.32 | PuffTheMagic | does dropbox have a public api? |
| 04:43.38 | acydlord | nope =/ |
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| 04:44.54 | cryptk|work | acydlord: I used all my votes on it, lol |
| 04:45.29 | acydlord | cryptk|work, me too lol |
| 04:45.42 | cryptk|work | +6, lol |
| 04:46.43 | acydlord | they've been talking about releasing an API for over a year now and I haven't seen anything come of it |
| 04:47.07 | Kyusaku | +6'd |
| 04:47.18 | xorg | ditto |
| 04:47.41 | Kyusaku | lol yeah google code for dropbox API has said coming soon for like a year now |
| 04:47.59 | xorg | dropbox is probably pretty sensitive about it... one wrong move and you wipe out the data |
| 04:48.35 | xorg | which is why i only sync to a subfolder within dbx |
| 04:48.42 | Kyusaku | maybe some security holes they still haven't plugged |
| 04:49.41 | acydlord | there are a ton of people screaming for an ARM port of dropbox, but instead they pandered to the iPhone, kinda pisses me off |
| 04:50.04 | xorg | install base ya know |
| 04:50.10 | egaudet | bed, bbt |
| 04:52.50 | acydlord | xorg, there are tons more arm based devices on the market than iPhones, most of the home NAS boxes in the past few years are ARM based, and I'm willing to bet the NAS owners would be willing to pay for the upgraded storage |
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| 04:57.57 | Joely | is egaudet around? |
| 04:58.44 | Kyusaku | he went to bed |
| 04:59.39 | Joely | fail. my phone is stuck |
| 05:03.18 | cryptk|work | android is ARM right? |
| 05:04.31 | cryptk|work | if so there is a votebox for an android app with like 10K votes |
| 05:04.44 | zsoc | Joely: stuck? |
| 05:05.30 | acydlord | yeah, android runs on ARM too |
| 05:05.31 | Kyusaku | android does run on arm arch |
| 05:05.50 | Joely | so do nokia tablets |
| 05:05.51 | acydlord | people are just too dumb to realize that they just need the binaries built for the arch and the devs can do the rest |
| 05:06.23 | acydlord | of course the majority of "smartphone" owners are too dumb/ignorant to know what arch their device runs on anyway |
| 05:07.30 | cryptk|work | acydlord: that is why they need a smartphone... to make up the for dumbuser, lol |
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| 05:10.05 | Joely | i don't get why they are selling a "tablet" that isn't a computer at all. it runs a stripped down os that can only run one crappy app at a time |
| 05:11.33 | acydlord | because people will buy anything they make |
| 05:13.26 | bpadalino | really? all it takes is a software update and it runs multiple applications... i am disappointed with no standard ports on it at all |
| 05:13.44 | rwhitby | well, the real reason is so apple doesn't need to reduce the price of macbooks to compete with cheaper netbooks |
| 05:16.20 | rick-home | jobs isn't dumb. |
| 05:16.25 | rick-home | they'll sell a zillion |
| 05:16.30 | acydlord | rwhitby, they tried that with the macbook air, i think they sold 6 of them |
| 05:17.29 | acydlord | but like i said, people will buy anything apple makes, they could take poop, wrap it in shiny white plastic or brushed alluminum and people would sell their kids to buy it |
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| 05:23.35 | Kyusaku | they sold more than 6, I know I've seen more than 6 different youtube videos of people showing people how much the macbook air sux |
| 05:23.41 | cryptk|work | I just can't wait for apple to come out with a shiny letter to begin sentences... |
| 05:23.43 | Kyusaku | :P |
| 05:23.44 | cryptk|work | call it the iI |
| 05:25.04 | cryptk|work | or a prostetic brushed aluminum oculus... |
| 05:25.08 | cryptk|work | call it the iEye |
| 05:26.19 | cryptk|work | or an apple branded dating service made to introduce one prudish hipster to another... |
| 05:26.24 | cryptk|work | the iYou |
| 05:27.28 | cryptk|work | do apple employees have iJobs and get iChecks at the end of the iMonth? |
| 05:27.37 | cryptk|work | alright... I am done, I promise... |
| 05:27.59 | rwhitby | acydlord: I bet they sold more macbook airs than palm has sold webOS devices ... |
| 05:29.09 | acydlord | i've only ever seen 2 macbook airs in the wild, havent seen any since about a month after release |
| 05:29.57 | Kyusaku | haha apple dating service would be lulz |
| 05:30.34 | Kyusaku | iTards looking for other iTards for love |
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| 05:42.01 | dtz | so how's it going guys? :) |
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| 05:52.24 | dtz | got nes emu running :). not done but wooo |
| 05:53.52 | rwhitby | dtz: what package? |
| 05:54.08 | dtz | rwhitby: gpfce |
| 05:54.23 | dtz | rwhitby: http://notaz.gp2x.de/gpfce.php |
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| 05:56.01 | farms | anyone else having problems with gps on pre plus |
| 05:58.55 | rwhitby | dtz: what back-end? |
| 05:59.25 | Kyusaku | farms: it's a known issue |
| 06:00.44 | dtz | rwhitby: not sure how to answer that. using sdl for graphics if that's what you mean |
| 06:01.12 | rwhitby | dtz: yep |
| 06:01.51 | dtz | rwhitby: yep. like many gp2x shit it uses some 'minimal' library that apparently got passed around/used a lot.... but there's a testing/debugging version that uses sdl. it'll need some work but at least it runs :). |
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| 06:02.07 | dtz | s/shit/applications/ |
| 06:02.09 | dtz | :) |
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| 06:02.21 | rwhitby | does it run well? |
| 06:02.25 | dtz | rwhitby: no |
| 06:02.45 | dtz | rwhitby: haha, although i honestly _just_ got it running. but not an insta-speed |
| 06:02.51 | dtz | rwhitby: which was a little disappointing, truth be told |
| 06:02.55 | schulman | So I may not be the first to do this, but I figured out how to read the accelerometer measurements from hidd |
| 06:03.26 | schulman | I did not see it anywhere on the wiki |
| 06:03.40 | schulman | on the accelerometer or hidd pages |
| 06:03.49 | rwhitby | please add it :-) |
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| 06:11.09 | cryptk|work | I am having fun watching shifter kart videos... |
| 06:11.16 | cryptk|work | I miss my old 125cc... |
| 06:11.24 | farms | I've got a contact at palm so I'm gonna do a writeyp |
| 06:11.41 | Kyusaku | ? |
| 06:12.11 | destinal-home | schulman: cool. I'm not sure if you are or not, I know egaudet had a test harness talking to hidd based on the code in the SDL patch |
| 06:12.34 | destinal-home | schulman: what I'm really interested in though is making new hidd plugins. |
| 06:12.34 | destinal-home | I just haven't put much time into it |
| 06:12.58 | schulman | if you are talking about the sample code that is talking to the hidd |
| 06:12.59 | schulman | that is around |
| 06:13.30 | destinal-home | schulman: yeah he did that, but again, the plugins are more interesting and afaik nobody outside palm has done that yet :) |
| 06:13.36 | schulman | but specifically how to use that to read the accelerometer, which involves casting a uint as a float, no |
| 06:13.47 | destinal-home | schulman: ah, cool |
| 06:13.55 | schulman | yeah, that is main contribution |
| 06:14.28 | schulman | you do a pointer cast, dereference on the int returned from HID and you get the accel value |
| 06:15.00 | destinal-home | schulman: excellent, (and a good thing to put on wiki also) |
| 06:15.09 | schulman | I am putting that up on the wiki |
| 06:15.32 | schulman | it is easy to test if the cast works, considering we have gravity :) |
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| 06:17.56 | Kyusaku | Pre Plus users should try that GPS hack |
| 06:18.09 | schulman | Does anyone know if you can disable the GPS hardware |
| 06:18.12 | schulman | turn if off |
| 06:18.13 | schulman | it off |
| 06:18.14 | schulman | if you will |
| 06:19.24 | Kyusaku | completely? |
| 06:19.50 | Kyusaku | or just like off/on in OS? |
| 06:20.07 | schulman | completely |
| 06:20.12 | schulman | so it does not consume any energy |
| 06:20.17 | xcomp | finally orders a new pc case |
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| 06:20.36 | xcomp | it was either that or take a hammer to the current one |
| 06:21.08 | cryptk|work | xcomp: you dent the old one? or was it too small? |
| 06:21.16 | xcomp | rattling fans |
| 06:21.26 | xcomp | i've had enough of them |
| 06:21.50 | cryptk|work | ahh, that is why I watercooled... |
| 06:22.01 | cryptk|work | I have 6 large fans, so they run very slow |
| 06:22.25 | xcomp | every now and then the one inside the PSU starts to make a really loud noise |
| 06:22.36 | cryptk|work | plus with the water cooling they don't need to run as fast to pull the heat out of the radiator... not nearly like they would if you were pulling the heat out of the case |
| 06:22.53 | cryptk|work | You can hardly hear my computer run at all... |
| 06:23.07 | cryptk|work | yet it is extremely overclocked... people are always amazed |
| 06:23.22 | xcomp | sooner or later I'll splurge on a new rig |
| 06:23.27 | cryptk|work | but ti does have a very good watercooling system... custom setup... no store bought kit in that rig |
| 06:23.35 | xcomp | at least five cores |
| 06:26.51 | schulman | ok, code is in http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Accelerometer |
| 06:26.55 | schulman | no one knows how to disable the GPS? |
| 06:27.42 | xcomp | used generic IDE 1GB hard drie, OEM |
| 06:27.46 | xcomp | Regular Price $59.99 |
| 06:27.50 | xcomp | On Sale: $2.99 |
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| 06:37.46 | cryptk|work | just googled myself and found the chat log fo this channel, lol |
| 06:38.25 | xcomp | egosurfing can be such a frustrating pastime. |
| 06:42.16 | cryptk|work | haha, I was actually trying to find a certain picture |
| 06:42.40 | cryptk|work | but since I put my online alias in the search, and that alias is all over this log... it was one of the top results |
| 06:43.11 | jacques | will be on from home |
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| 06:49.22 | schulman | ok yall I am off to sleep |
| 06:49.27 | dtz | rwhitby: fwiw looks like the original fceux has a significantly better sdl implementation so i'll probably look into that at some point. since you asked :) |
| 06:49.38 | destinal-home | schulman: disable the GPS? |
| 06:50.15 | schulman | yeah, I want to get a good signal measurement |
| 06:50.25 | schulman | which means you need to put the radio into debug mode |
| 06:50.25 | schulman | an |
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| 06:50.44 | schulman | but I think if you put the radio in debug mode, it causes the GPS radios to spin up too |
| 06:50.54 | schulman | so I want to just shut down the GPS |
| 06:51.20 | destinal-home | schulman: ah, I see what you mean. I don't know the answer but if I find it I'll post it and let you know |
| 06:51.30 | schulman | thanks |
| 06:51.41 | schulman | do you know a good way to get a signal measurement? |
| 06:51.47 | schulman | that is not the silly "bar" reading |
| 06:52.00 | schulman | i really like the dBm reading you get from debug mode |
| 06:54.16 | destinal-home | schulman: hmm, I normally would think of just checking for luna services related to gps / radio but I'm not seeing anything that quite does that |
| 06:54.40 | cryptk|work | are you trying tog et a signal rating for the phone rario? |
| 06:54.54 | schulman | yeah, even if you look at the telephony interface layer it does not clearly export a more precise signal |
| 06:54.54 | cryptk|work | wow... typos from hell... |
| 06:54.58 | schulman | unless you are in debug mode |
| 06:55.15 | schulman | yes |
| 06:55.16 | cryptk|work | yeah... I remember seeing something in one of the ## menus... but that may have been for GPS... |
| 06:55.38 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: that's probably coming from the TIL anyway, though, right? |
| 06:55.43 | schulman | yeah it is |
| 06:55.44 | cryptk|work | I would think so |
| 06:56.08 | schulman | there is a IPC for enabling radiodebug and sending the message in TIL |
| 06:56.13 | cryptk|work | hrm... you talking about radios makes em wonder if we can get the wifi radio to go into promiscuous mode... |
| 06:56.28 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: I don't believe the driver palm ships supports monitor mode |
| 06:56.42 | cryptk|work | the driver they ship may not... but drivers can be patched... |
| 06:56.48 | cryptk|work | as long as we can find the source |
| 06:57.29 | destinal-home | (and the driver is binary only though I recall hearing that there was a libertas open source driver also out there) |
| 06:57.56 | destinal-home | if anyone has tested it, I've never heard |
| 06:58.41 | schulman | what is the driver? |
| 06:58.42 | schulman | or chipset |
| 06:59.18 | destinal-home | Marvell sd8xxx |
| 06:59.30 | schulman | i see |
| 07:01.23 | cryptk|work | if we can get it into monitor mode... then we could have aircrack on the pre... |
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| 07:06.34 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: worst case if we can't get it into monitor we could grab a usb dongle that we could get support for (but of course first we need usb host mode -- not sure why that's not working also, starting to suspect it may need kernel recompile) |
| 07:07.01 | cryptk|work | destinal-home: that would be some serious hacking on the phone... |
| 07:07.04 | destinal-home | right now I'm still at getting a device to power over a A-connector-adapter by echoing otg > the device |
| 07:07.14 | cryptk|work | wouldn't be able to do it through a kernel module? |
| 07:07.17 | destinal-home | so yes power, no enumeration |
| 07:07.43 | cryptk|work | just watched a vid of a guy driving a shifter kart on the highway, lol |
| 07:08.03 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: well, that depends, I don't understand why it is that it doesn't "just work" (host mode I mean) |
| 07:08.27 | destinal-home | since if obviously can switch into otg mode and the device plugged in is getting power |
| 07:08.55 | cryptk|work | wonder if Palm shut it off for some reason... |
| 07:08.59 | joshua | Hrm didn't know you could get power. I tried with a gender changer to plug a usb stick in but didnt know that was possible |
| 07:09.32 | cryptk|work | but if we talk about hacking it enough... 1.4 may have some kind of ninja change to make it possible |
| 07:09.33 | destinal-home | joshua: you need an micro-A-male to female standard usb connector |
| 07:09.49 | cryptk|work | wouldn't be the first time the thing we need mysteriously makes it into the next patch undocumented |
| 07:09.54 | destinal-home | as opposed to the microusb-B connector |
| 07:10.03 | joshua | i have the standard usb cable and a female/female adapter |
| 07:10.09 | cryptk|work | look at the stuff that pade precorder possible |
| 07:10.15 | cryptk|work | and I am sure it happened a few other times |
| 07:10.19 | joshua | but i didn't know about enabling otg, it just didn't get power so linux didn't see any device |
| 07:10.41 | joshua | there was something on there with gadgetfs, i dont know much about how that works |
| 07:11.24 | destinal-home | joshua: B is different from A though, see http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/kate-alholas-forum-nokia-blog/2008/01/21/usb-on-the-go |
| 07:11.41 | destinal-home | joshua: it's not just male and female |
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| 07:12.19 | joshua | well that picture kinda looks like what I did, plug the micro in and then use the adapter to the key |
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| 07:12.45 | joshua | ahh now i see scrolling down |
| 07:12.50 | joshua | a soldering iron... hah |
| 07:13.33 | destinal-home | yeah or just buy a micro A cable or whatever. I got one from digikey |
| 07:14.26 | jacques | USB host mode? |
| 07:14.35 | destinal-home | if we could force host mode that wouldn't matter but forcing host causes a hard freeze of the device, for me. again, may be kernel issues, I need to rebuild a kernel to try |
| 07:15.32 | destinal-home | jacques: well the chipset on the pre supports USB OTG. I have a micro-A adapter cable that I plug things into and echo otg > /sys/devices/platform/*musb*/mode will put the usb controller in OTG mode |
| 07:15.44 | destinal-home | then I can plug in a device and get power but it won't enumerate |
| 07:17.02 | destinal-home | jacques: I'm not really familiar with the kernel code at work here or I'd try diagnosing what's going on |
| 07:17.20 | destinal-home | if you echo "host" instead, the whole device freezes hard |
| 07:17.20 | jacques | I think I read it works on the beagle boards |
| 07:18.11 | destinal-home | so at this point having the right cable and echoing "otg" seems to work better, but again, don't know if there's some hardware or kernel issue preventing it from actually working |
| 07:18.20 | jacques | tho that's no guarantee it can work on the Pre - could be a hardware error (like the first few revs of beagle boards) |
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| 07:19.47 | destinal-home | I should probably build a simple kernel and not run the rest of webos, and try checking it out there |
| 07:19.49 | jacques | destinal-home: have you tried building USB with debugging enabled? might tell something in the otg / no enumeration case |
| 07:20.11 | destinal-home | *nods* that would be good as well |
| 07:20.28 | cryptk|work | hrm... seperate kernel... could we dual boot the pre? |
| 07:20.33 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: of course |
| 07:20.42 | cryptk|work | that would be interesting... |
| 07:21.21 | cryptk|work | wonder if we could run something like DSL on it... |
| 07:21.32 | cryptk|work | then see if USB host mode works in that |
| 07:21.41 | cryptk|work | if so then we know it isn't a hardware issue |
| 07:21.41 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: heh, DSL? |
| 07:22.05 | cryptk|work | Damn Small Linux |
| 07:22.08 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: I could build a version of palm's kernel and tweak that, and run a minimal userland, anyway |
| 07:22.31 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: yeah, I know what it is, it's not exactly made for ARM or this board specifically ;) |
| 07:22.43 | cryptk|work | that's true... |
| 07:22.55 | cryptk|work | we could... in theory... try and boot android, lol |
| 07:23.12 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: sure, supposedly the droid is a cortex-A8 also |
| 07:23.48 | destinal-home | android wouldn't be hard to get running I presume |
| 07:23.51 | cryptk|work | that would be fun... then we could say that the pre does EVERYTHING the droid does... and more... |
| 07:24.05 | hape | ~seen dBsooner |
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| 07:24.09 | cryptk|work | then triple boot with iPhone OS, lol... best of all 3 worlds, LOL |
| 07:24.18 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: ok, now you're getting crazy :) |
| 07:24.34 | cryptk|work | BWAHAHA!!! |
| 07:24.39 | cryptk|work | I want to triple boot my pre |
| 07:24.59 | cryptk|work | I just wikipedia'd it.. iPhone 3GS uses cortex A8 also... |
| 07:25.06 | destinal-home | the level of binary reverse engineering and patching of the OSX/darwin/arm system to make it even begin to boot on a pre is just a ton of work |
| 07:25.09 | destinal-home | thus crazy |
| 07:25.25 | cryptk|work | haha |
| 07:25.33 | cryptk|work | I know, I was only ever so slightly serious |
| 07:25.53 | cryptk|work | droid shouldn't be too hard though... |
| 07:26.04 | destinal-home | on the other hand, geist did the bootloader for iphone and pre both.. :P |
| 07:26.09 | joshua | Once they start using their own modified version of ARM CPUs with custom instruction sets forget it... heh |
| 07:26.11 | cryptk|work | since it is much more open than the maCrapp phone... |
| 07:26.48 | cryptk|work | bootloader for the pre |
| 07:26.49 | cryptk|work | ?? |
| 07:26.57 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: yeah it's called bootie |
| 07:27.06 | cryptk|work | oh, the last resort thing? |
| 07:27.30 | destinal-home | no, no, no, the last resort thing is about starting bootie up from a USB connection as opposed to from flash where it normally starts up from |
| 07:27.55 | cryptk|work | ohh, so just the part of the phone that runs with vol up |
| 07:27.58 | cryptk|work | gotcha |
| 07:28.22 | destinal-home | well it's also the thing that shows the palm logo and starts up linux when you don't run with vol up |
| 07:28.33 | destinal-home | bootie is always started when you turn on pre / pixi |
| 07:28.33 | cryptk|work | yeah |
| 07:28.38 | cryptk|work | I am following |
| 07:29.02 | cryptk|work | I just never really thought about the bootloader since there is onyl one OS... never had to think about it |
| 07:29.04 | destinal-home | but yeah, when you're out of battery and it shows the red battery logo, that's bootie doing that too |
| 07:29.11 | cryptk|work | I only really care about them when multi-booting |
| 07:29.57 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: yeah most people don't think of the whole bootstrap process that occurs from executing the first block of machine code off flash, etc |
| 07:30.16 | cryptk|work | the chainboot command in bootie seems interesting... |
| 07:30.26 | destinal-home | yes.. why, yes it does. |
| 07:30.49 | destinal-home | we'd need a reasonable bootloader of our own to chain to, but it could be very interesting |
| 07:30.50 | cryptk|work | it may "allow" dual booting out of the box... |
| 07:30.59 | cryptk|work | something very lightweight |
| 07:31.09 | cryptk|work | grub would be a recource hog on the pre, lol |
| 07:31.36 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: not x86 here |
| 07:31.41 | cryptk|work | yeah |
| 07:31.52 | cryptk|work | I know, I was just making the comparison as far as system recources |
| 07:31.55 | destinal-home | mainly it doesn't know the first thing about booting an arm |
| 07:31.56 | cryptk|work | resources* |
| 07:31.56 | destinal-home | but yeah |
| 07:32.16 | cryptk|work | we would need something for arm... and about half the size of grub |
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| 07:33.07 | cryptk|work | Bootldr maybe? |
| 07:33.26 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: there's uboot and others, but at any rate we'd have to do a nontrivial amount of work to get it to talk to the hardware and we'd probably want it to draw to the screen and get info from the GPIO pins to select a profile, etc. |
| 07:33.31 | destinal-home | for now I'd say don't bother |
| 07:34.12 | cryptk|work | what would be nice (but dangerous) is modifying bootie to chainboot to it with something like vol down... |
| 07:34.16 | destinal-home | we can do dual boot by just having whatever running linux let you select on the shut down step |
| 07:34.21 | cryptk|work | just like how vol up iw recovery |
| 07:34.52 | cryptk|work | hrm... so instead of booting into the second OS, you reboot into it... |
| 07:35.10 | cryptk|work | then you could throw a launcher icon in for it... |
| 07:35.12 | destinal-home | right. it would require two systems that are both functional |
| 07:35.28 | cryptk|work | that is how the PS3 does it... |
| 07:35.29 | destinal-home | if either one broke, you'd have to recover in some way |
| 07:35.54 | cryptk|work | you can install a second OS on the PS3, then after it starts up into the normal PS3 OS, you can choose to reboot into the other OS |
| 07:36.30 | destinal-home | cool. the recovery wouldn't be too arduous at any rate, it would be recovery mode, novaterm, type a couple of commands |
| 07:36.32 | cryptk|work | I wonder what they used on the iPod linux project... |
| 07:36.57 | destinal-home | (which btw you can always do to dual boot anyway without anything special but most people don't want to carry around a computer to switch) :) |
| 07:37.03 | cryptk|work | yes, as long as we didn't touch bootie at all, the phone should remain relatively "un-brickable" |
| 07:37.20 | destinal-home | even if you totally wipe out bootie, you can still boot bootie over usb |
| 07:37.21 | jacques | u-boot |
| 07:37.28 | cryptk|work | yes |
| 07:37.38 | cryptk|work | but have we had anyone sucessfully do the last resort yet? |
| 07:38.18 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: I've done the whole thing from usb booting bootie to loading the installer uimage to bootie via novacom to novaterm'ing into the installer shell |
| 07:38.25 | destinal-home | it's all on the wiki article |
| 07:38.35 | cryptk|work | ahh |
| 07:38.37 | cryptk|work | cool |
| 07:38.54 | cryptk|work | seems like we should be able to make a script, or executable... that automates that alot |
| 07:38.55 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: the one thing you want though really is a backup of the first 8 megs or so of your flash disk |
| 07:39.29 | cryptk|work | what is bootie written in? Assembly? |
| 07:39.32 | destinal-home | since there's a few things doctor won't be able to replace for you, the "nvram area" (partition1) being the main one |
| 07:39.57 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: thumb (or was that thumb2) ARM machine code, yeah |
| 07:40.39 | cryptk|work | hrm... it could only be a meg or 2... |
| 07:40.54 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: you can check out boot.bin and see exactly how big |
| 07:40.59 | cryptk|work | wonder how hard it would be to set up the vol down... |
| 07:41.04 | cryptk|work | I am at work so I can't look at it... |
| 07:41.10 | cryptk|work | but I probably will tomorrow |
| 07:41.15 | destinal-home | cryptk|work: depends on how good you are at ARM assembly |
| 07:41.17 | cryptk|work | after I play a little crysis warhead |
| 07:41.28 | cryptk|work | I am ok at it, but I have a friend that is a genious at it.... |
| 07:41.57 | cryptk|work | he could probably whip something up real fast to let us chainboot to a specified botloader with a different key |
| 07:42.02 | destinal-home | personally if we have those kinds of skills I'd say let's just chainboot and try to set chainboot as the autoboot setting |
| 07:42.10 | destinal-home | and put our own bootloader in as a chain loader |
| 07:42.36 | cryptk|work | then have our bootloader default to webos but give you an option menu for a second or 2 |
| 07:42.39 | destinal-home | we can do all that without modifying bootie at all, just its environment settings |
| 07:42.46 | cryptk|work | true |
| 07:42.50 | cryptk|work | hrm... |
| 07:42.58 | cryptk|work | I may have to see if I can get ahold of him... |
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| 07:43.07 | cryptk|work | I heard he got a new phone... I hope it was a pre, lol |
| 07:43.15 | destinal-home | if you can draw to the screen with ARM assembly, you're way ahead of me (lol) |
| 07:43.25 | cryptk|work | well, bootie does it... |
| 07:43.39 | cryptk|work | I could possibly write some text to the screen, but I know for a fact he could |
| 07:43.41 | destinal-home | we really need our own bootloader, you're not modifying bootie to display a menu |
| 07:43.47 | cryptk|work | yeah |
| 07:43.53 | cryptk|work | that is why I wasn't gonna go for a menu |
| 07:44.12 | cryptk|work | I was looking more for adding in a boot with vol down to load a diff bootloader |
| 07:44.26 | cryptk|work | then if the phone boots with no vol keys it just boots like nothing ever hapopened |
| 07:44.34 | cryptk|work | anyway, it is my lunch time, I will bbiab |
| 07:44.35 | destinal-home | sure but we could just automatically load a diff bootloader and have our bootloader load either one just fine |
| 07:44.38 | jacques | only parts of a bootloader are in assembly, the rest can be in C (for example) |
| 07:45.41 | destinal-home | anyway, time for bed. night all |
| 07:46.41 | jacques | probably hardest part of making the chain-bootloader would be ripping out the unneeded parts - setting up the hardware / memory timings / etc. |
| 07:47.33 | jacques | the part where it relocates itself after RAM initialization. things like that |
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| 08:06.35 | cryptk|work | seems like I am all alone... at work... |
| 08:11.44 | joshua | everyone from gameservers.com went home so now im at the office alone as well. heh |
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| 08:22.23 | rwhitby | cryptk|work: I've just left work, so you are no longer alone :-) |
| 08:23.00 | cryptk|work | haha |
| 08:23.15 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: did you read any of the talk about bootloaders? |
| 08:23.40 | rwhitby | cryptk|work: reading the backlog on the bus now |
| 08:23.46 | cryptk|work | ahh |
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| 08:26.54 | rwhitby | cryptk|work: I like your idea that if we talk about interesting things enough in there, then a ninja change appears in the next webOS version. |
| 08:27.17 | cryptk|work | haha, it has indeed happened more than once |
| 08:27.23 | cryptk|work | proof they do watch this channel |
| 08:27.38 | cryptk|work | bbiab |
| 08:28.14 | rwhitby | Apex is a good small bootloader |
| 08:28.59 | farms | im having troubles installing themes preware keeps saying see ipkg log, any ideas |
| 08:29.43 | rwhitby | yes, first idea is to look at the ipkg log |
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| 08:30.40 | farms | error is errorgenericmethodexception: failed during "install" operation |
| 08:31.25 | rwhitby | that's not the full text of the ipkg log, is it. |
| 08:31.47 | farms | no, its telling me to do an ipkg update |
| 08:31.51 | farms | do i just refresh the feeds? |
| 08:32.14 | rwhitby | yes |
| 08:32.45 | farms | sorry for being such a n00b |
| 08:33.37 | farms | btw thank you for all the contributions to the community |
| 08:35.57 | cryptk|work | back |
| 08:37.15 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: apex could definitely work... |
| 08:40.04 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: you in euroupe? |
| 08:40.44 | cryptk|work | or is freenode just connecting you through luxembourg because it is weird.. |
| 08:40.58 | cryptk|work | now that I look at it... it is connecting me through germany, lol |
| 08:45.22 | joshua | you can set chat.us.freenode.net as your server to just use US servers |
| 08:45.44 | cryptk|work | joshua: I am using the web portal since I am at work |
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| 08:46.17 | joshua | ahh, i just have a putty screen session for irc from anywhere |
| 08:46.44 | joshua | ssh screen session I mean |
| 08:47.34 | swishy | am I mising something really obvious or does networking type stuff have to be done via the pdk at the moment? |
| 08:48.52 | swishy | doesnt seem to be any higher level stuff via the sdk to allow service broadcast or connection to such |
| 08:53.12 | joshua | I can't think of any application that does that kind of thing yet. Usually they do some kind of communication to a server using web APIs |
| 08:54.05 | swishy | ahhh crap |
| 08:54.40 | swishy | so basically id need ot implement something via pdk and expose it at the sdk level? |
| 08:54.54 | farms | would there be any reason why some themes would work on the pre and not the pre plus? |
| 08:54.58 | farms | i thought they were identical |
| 08:55.10 | swishy | atm on iPhone we are just using bonjour which is easy enough |
| 08:55.43 | joshua | i think it has some kind of XMPP business, but I am not an app developer so I don't know the specifics |
| 08:56.02 | joshua | maybe someone in #webos would know better |
| 08:56.19 | swishy | yeah Ill try again |
| 08:57.31 | joshua | I think the missing sync does some kind of wifi syncing. I wonder how it does it |
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| 08:58.26 | acydlord | probably client/server since it requires a desktop app |
| 08:58.40 | swishy | joshua, from what I understood pre handles dynamic mesh too doesnt it? |
| 08:58.50 | swishy | adhoc networks like |
| 09:00.12 | cryptk|work | so rwhitby how was work? |
| 09:10.08 | joshua | I have some of the javascript from missing sync open and there is something they are using appAssistant.network.networkStatus() |
| 09:11.37 | swishy | joshua, ahh interesting, ill have a look, theres obviously connection manager in mojo but it appears to be pretty limited. |
| 09:12.10 | joshua | http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1649&Itemid=65 |
| 09:14.18 | acydlord | swishy, what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 09:15.17 | swishy | acydlord, with our iPhone app we use bonjour to create a service on a phone, and of course from other phones you can see the service and connect to it, we use it to pass events around |
| 09:16.09 | joshua | Just curious, whats the name of the app? |
| 09:16.17 | acydlord | swishy, http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Avahi |
| 09:16.22 | swishy | joshua, iQk |
| 09:16.41 | swishy | joshua, its opensource if you wanted to see what we were up to |
| 09:16.49 | joshua | that kind of hackery with deamons wont fly on a production app. heh |
| 09:17.26 | acydlord | joshua, works fine on production apps, just not official app catalogue ones |
| 09:17.46 | swishy | joshua, http://code.google.com/p/kadd-jade/source/browse/#hg/iQk/Classes |
| 09:18.04 | swishy | joshua, it was more about getting something working in a limited timeframe ;) |
| 09:18.14 | acydlord | and since this is #webos-internals and not #webos, most of the stuff on topic here ends up in the preware catalogues |
| 09:18.47 | swishy | acydlord, ahh so avahai isnt available on the pre out of the box? |
| 09:19.36 | acydlord | not out of the box, it can be installed via optware |
| 09:20.34 | swishy | damn |
| 09:20.36 | swishy | :) |
| 09:21.01 | acydlord | hopefully as time passes palm will put the rest of the mission control compatable libs into the messenger app so that it supports all the messengers and bonjour services and such |
| 09:21.04 | joshua | if the app was using SDL then you could use libsdl-net |
| 09:21.56 | acydlord | anywho im off for the evening, night |
| 09:22.04 | swishy | acydlord, see ya |
| 09:22.32 | swishy | joshua, I take it that would resort to using hte pdk? |
| 09:24.30 | cryptk|work | swishy: most likely, yes |
| 09:24.39 | swishy | right |
| 09:25.20 | joshua | you can grab the quake app and see how they did it |
| 09:26.36 | swishy | joshua, ok thanks ill have a look, im picking its just a C port using bare minimum sdk to allow the card creation and call to native binary |
| 09:26.42 | joshua | The full PDK is supposed to be with 1.4 which is right around the corner |
| 09:27.03 | swishy | nods |
| 09:27.04 | joshua | yeah theres not much javascript, it just starts the SDL app in a card |
| 09:27.49 | swishy | with the PDK is it actually intended to be used to allow mojo frontend > c lib calls etc? |
| 09:28.01 | cryptk|work | yes |
| 09:28.36 | swishy | ok create |
| 09:28.40 | joshua | Heres some info http://developer.palm.com/index.php?Itemid=20&id=1850&option=com_content&view=article |
| 09:28.41 | swishy | s/create/great |
| 09:28.48 | cryptk|work | the PDK is created, as my understanding, to create native apps on the pre, wether they are native apps with their own front end that run in a card, or a back end service to add an API that you need |
| 09:29.41 | swishy | ok thanks |
| 09:29.46 | joshua | Moving to SDL would let you build the app on either device too since there is SDL for iphone. Basically what SDL was intended for. heh |
| 09:30.01 | swishy | joshua, yeah hehe :) |
| 09:30.49 | swishy | right thanks for answering the queries |
| 09:30.54 | swishy | I better get some sleep |
| 09:31.19 | swishy | joshua, dont laugh too hard if you had a look at the link |
| 09:31.20 | swishy | lol |
| 09:32.10 | joshua | I was watchin this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNY4MQsGgVA |
| 09:32.11 | joshua | heh |
| 09:32.25 | swishy | ah yeap |
| 09:32.27 | swishy | :) |
| 09:32.31 | swishy | we did the ui in playdough |
| 09:32.52 | swishy | joshua, audio in the vid was in game sounds like |
| 09:33.15 | joshua | Looks cool. WebOS needs more music apps like the iphone has |
| 09:33.30 | swishy | :) |
| 09:34.59 | swishy | yeah we were hoping to add in actual single note sample and provide 2 octaves + the loops we have now so you couls actually do melody creation etc in iQk and loop new stuff to |
| 09:35.06 | swishy | output to garageband etc |
| 09:35.13 | swishy | but havent had time yet |
| 09:35.29 | swishy | this was mashed together to get somethng working to meet the launch date |
| 09:36.07 | swishy | joshua, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc0hxLAW2oA |
| 09:37.10 | joshua | Ive got a kaossilator I hardly play with at home. Could do a duet with it. heh |
| 09:37.32 | swishy | hehe :) |
| 09:37.47 | swishy | right outta here |
| 09:37.49 | swishy | have a good one |
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| 10:01.44 | cryptk|work | dtz: you there? |
| 10:02.03 | dtz | cryptk|work: barely :), probably sleeping soonish |
| 10:02.06 | dtz | cryptk|work: what's up? :) |
| 10:02.21 | cryptk|work | have you thought about e-mailing palm for early access to the pdk? |
| 10:02.28 | cryptk|work | they might let you in... |
| 10:02.43 | cryptk|work | from the palm website: |
| 10:02.44 | cryptk|work | If you're interested in receiving early access to the PDK, send an email to pdk-info@palm.com This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it and be sure to include details about who you are and what you intend to do with the PDK. |
| 10:03.11 | dtz | cryptk|work: i have not. that would be nice; i really didn't know how/what kinds of people they let in, figured it was people who were bigger names or at least had mojo apps or something :) |
| 10:03.11 | cryptk|work | ignore the part about spam bots... |
| 10:03.32 | cryptk|work | well, I would email them and tell them what you have made |
| 10:03.44 | cryptk|work | I mean you did quake, vba, what else... |
| 10:03.55 | cryptk|work | heard you have an nes emulator in early stages |
| 10:04.07 | cryptk|work | they might let you in, worth a shot |
| 10:05.58 | cryptk|work | and what happened to the dtzWill name? |
| 10:06.07 | dtz | cryptk|work: haha do you miss it? :) |
| 10:06.27 | cryptk|work | nah, just threw me off when I hit dt and tab and only got dtz, lol |
| 10:06.55 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: I registered 'dtz' a while back but couldn't remember doing it.. but it was registered to this 'will' fellow... long story short it was me and i finally got around to grouping it :) |
| 10:07.17 | cryptk|work | ahh |
| 10:07.18 | cryptk|work | lol |
| 10:09.56 | cryptk|work | I think you should sign up for it... |
| 10:10.01 | cryptk|work | but it is your choice of course |
| 10:10.09 | dtzWill | i honestly don't think i'll get pdk access |
| 10:10.10 | dtzWill | lol |
| 10:10.14 | dtzWill | really don't :) |
| 10:10.28 | cryptk|work | I mean, the SDK isn't targeted at the webos-internals people... but the PDK... that is another story... |
| 10:10.44 | cryptk|work | you never know, may as well email them, what's the worst they can say? no? |
| 10:11.08 | dtzWill | right |
| 10:11.12 | joshua | might as well try explaining it. A lot of stuff people in here are doing will be redundant once the PDK is public |
| 10:11.29 | dtzWill | "we hate you and will be activating your device's self-destruct button in 3...2..." |
| 10:11.37 | dtzWill | s/button/feature/ |
| 10:11.47 | dtzWill | :) |
| 10:11.49 | joshua | ~botsmack |
| 10:11.50 | infobot | OWW! |
| 10:11.57 | dtzWill | joshua: indeed. i agree that it can't hurt :) |
| 10:13.18 | cryptk|work | I mean, if they let you in, you could start porting your stuff over to it now... I am sure the WIPDK will probably get dropped to the side by most people once the official PDK is out |
| 10:13.24 | cryptk|work | SB2 is great, but there is no beating something taht is custom tailored to the target device |
| 10:14.05 | cryptk|work | I have been reading alot on elinux.org... |
| 10:14.25 | cryptk|work | I may try and work with a friend of mine on making a bootloader to allow us to dual-boot the pre into other OS's |
| 10:14.40 | cryptk|work | like android.... or any linux distribution built for arm for that matter... |
| 10:15.03 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: I saw that discussion, that's excellent |
| 10:15.33 | cryptk|work | I figure I can test it on my pre... the things are damn near impossible to brick |
| 10:15.41 | cryptk|work | you can load bootie via USB if worst comes to worst |
| 10:15.59 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: something I might be interested in, although I've only played with the linux kernel stuff (that ends up doing many things that a bootloader does, but not as general I suppose) |
| 10:16.11 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: yeah I'm currently going through the rite of building my own kernel |
| 10:16.20 | cryptk|work | for a PC or for the pre? |
| 10:16.31 | dtzWill | although it looks super easy; i think my source is incomplete? regardless a good thing to do |
| 10:16.33 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: :) for the pre |
| 10:16.42 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: i am not unfamiliar with the linux kernel |
| 10:17.11 | cryptk|work | are you going to be trying to just replace the current kernel with the one you build? |
| 10:17.16 | cryptk|work | how do you plan on booting it? |
| 10:17.19 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: well that's the start |
| 10:17.27 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: it's detailed on the wiki; i'm not pushing new ground... yet |
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| 10:17.46 | dtzWill | s/pushing new ground/<appropriate phrase>/ |
| 10:19.38 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: anyway keep talking about your efforts with the bootloader, :) i'm interested in seeing how that goes |
| 10:19.44 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: glad your arm asm friend is on board :D |
| 10:19.52 | cryptk|work | I gotta talk to him first |
| 10:19.58 | cryptk|work | see if he is interested |
| 10:20.11 | cryptk|work | I know a little arm asm, but he is a real master of it |
| 10:20.40 | cryptk|work | he does alot of tooling around with beagleboards |
| 10:21.45 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: excellent |
| 10:21.55 | dtzWill | well email sent. failure letter will be coming tomorrow 9pdt :) |
| 10:22.03 | dtzWill | s/failure/rejection/ |
| 10:22.04 | cryptk|work | hahaha |
| 10:22.11 | dtzWill | man not my night for word choice accuracy |
| 10:22.18 | cryptk|work | s/rejection/delay in acceptance until public release/ |
| 10:22.25 | cryptk|work | haha |
| 10:22.39 | cryptk|work | too bad I can't correct your statements with infobot |
| 10:22.51 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: yeah march isn't so far away anyway :) |
| 10:24.21 | cryptk|work | once we get a bootloader, we can run any linux made for ARM really... |
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| 10:25.05 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: well is the modem stuff something we could access from our own kernel? |
| 10:25.13 | cryptk|work | I have no clue |
| 10:25.28 | dtzWill | yeah me either |
| 10:25.30 | cryptk|work | I don't see why we couldn't... the real question is how much work would it take |
| 10:25.38 | dtzWill | heh |
| 10:25.44 | cryptk|work | but I think the real purpose would be to make the pre do things that we can't currently do.... |
| 10:25.58 | cryptk|work | why make a whole new OS to be a phone when palm has already made a phone for us |
| 10:26.21 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: so it's still useful :) |
| 10:26.35 | cryptk|work | hrm... |
| 10:27.03 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: that was a goofy comment perhaps, and i certainly don't mean to discourage awesome custom work |
| 10:27.03 | cryptk|work | I figure if we can get a bootloader, make the first target android... since it is already made for a phone it should be easier to port... |
| 10:27.15 | cryptk|work | then after that work on other linux things |
| 10:27.44 | cryptk|work | It would still be useful, just not as a phone... lol |
| 10:27.52 | cryptk|work | it would be more of a pocket PC |
| 10:27.57 | cryptk|work | haha |
| 10:28.18 | cryptk|work | and perhaps the work there would give us further insights into the phone and allow us to do more in the stock OS |
| 10:28.35 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: that's what i'm hoping for :). |
| 10:28.44 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: i kinda like webos hehe |
| 10:29.06 | cryptk|work | I do like webos too... |
| 10:29.19 | cryptk|work | I would mainly be doing this for the fun of it... and to explore the phone more |
| 10:29.26 | joshua | wonder if you could have an X server in a card and load a little gnome heh |
| 10:29.31 | cryptk|work | haha |
| 10:29.41 | cryptk|work | X is a resource hog IMHO |
| 10:29.57 | cryptk|work | well... the way alot of people use X is a resource hog... |
| 10:30.04 | dtzWill | joshua: that's a WIP by a few people afaik |
| 10:30.08 | cryptk|work | X itself... stripped down to it's core isn't so bad I guess |
| 10:30.25 | dtzWill | joshua: i was working on it earlier today in fact :). alas i don't have enough time to throw at it but meh |
| 10:31.10 | joshua | steal the maemo ports |
| 10:31.28 | dtzWill | joshua: yep, and many many x apps that already exist |
| 10:31.37 | cryptk|work | so I was playing around with the WoL app... can't get it to work |
| 10:31.49 | cryptk|work | but I don't know if it is the app... my PC... my crappy old router |
| 10:32.14 | joshua | I would like an full ssh client that works as well as pssh did on my treo |
| 10:32.22 | cryptk|work | I want to make a background service that will WoL my PC when i get in range of ym WiFi |
| 10:32.38 | cryptk|work | so when I get home my PC turns on for me |
| 10:33.07 | cryptk|work | I already have my computer automatically lock the screen when i walk away from it and unlock it when I sit back down in front of it |
| 10:33.20 | cryptk|work | always freaks people out how it locks and unlocks without me needing to touch it |
| 10:33.37 | rwhitby | dtzWill: you should definitely request PDK access, stating what apps you have already ported. |
| 10:33.48 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: I think he already sent the email |
| 10:34.03 | joshua | ever use salling clicker? |
| 10:34.07 | dtzWill | rwhitby, cryptk|work yep, sent. |
| 10:34.21 | dtzWill | rwhitby: glad you approve me applying hehe. maybe it's not entirely futile :) |
| 10:34.26 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: do you think that WIDK will pretty much go away once PDK is out? |
| 10:34.27 | rwhitby | dtzWill: I know for a fact that the guy who approves PDK access loves your work. |
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| 10:34.46 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: you know the guy? |
| 10:35.06 | retry | greetings I have tried to install preware via the shell |
| 10:35.07 | dtzWill | rwhitby: wow. well that's really cool :). ty |
| 10:35.14 | retry | and it failed at the end to run the postinstall script |
| 10:35.34 | cryptk|work | retry: what instructions did you use? |
| 10:35.36 | retry | sh: can't open /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst |
| 10:35.45 | retry | the file was never put there |
| 10:35.47 | rwhitby | cryptk|work: developer relations in Palm love webos-internals stuff. they've said it a number of times in public (and hence I can report from private conversations too) |
| 10:35.48 | retry | cryptk|work, on the wiki |
| 10:35.52 | retry | at the bottom of preware |
| 10:35.56 | retry | just wget the sh script |
| 10:35.57 | retry | and ran it |
| 10:36.10 | retry | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Preware_Bootstrap |
| 10:36.13 | retry | this ^ |
| 10:36.27 | rwhitby | retry: do you have a log of the run? |
| 10:36.40 | retry | rwhitby, I do but I honestly pasted you the ONLY error msg |
| 10:37.28 | rwhitby | retry: please pastebin /tmp/preware-bootstrap.log |
| 10:37.50 | cryptk|work | preware release or alpha? |
| 10:38.00 | cryptk|work | (is there a current alpha) if not then disregard |
| 10:38.12 | retry | i said N to alpha cryptk|work |
| 10:38.14 | rwhitby | there is no alpha at the moment |
| 10:38.14 | retry | ok rwhitby |
| 10:38.48 | rwhitby | retry: what version of webOS ? |
| 10:38.59 | retry | latest? |
| 10:39.01 | retry | pretty sure latest |
| 10:39.11 | rwhitby | "latest" is *never* a valid answer to "what version: |
| 10:39.19 | retry | http://webos.pastebin.com/m85df0c9 |
| 10:39.28 | rwhitby | retry: what version of webOS ? |
| 10:39.34 | retry | uh |
| 10:39.54 | retry | hmm where's simplest way to get the ver? |
| 10:40.17 | rwhitby | cat /etc/palm-build-info |
| 10:40.34 | retry | Palm webOS 1.3.5.1 |
| 10:40.43 | retry | ty |
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| 10:41.34 | rwhitby | ok, you have successfully identified a situation that has never been encountered before, and has no rational explanation. |
| 10:41.46 | retry | :/ |
| 10:41.48 | rwhitby | but I need to put my kids to bed now, so will be back in a while to debug. |
| 10:41.56 | retry | could it have to do with having optware previously installed? |
| 10:42.05 | retry | the really early way |
| 10:42.34 | cryptk|work | maybe in some round about way, but I can't say for sure... rwhitby is definitely the one for this though, lol |
| 10:42.37 | retry | i have the whole /var/opt bind to /opt |
| 10:42.46 | cryptk|work | I am good for general linux questions.... |
| 10:43.17 | cryptk|work | wait what? you have a symlink or something? |
| 10:43.24 | retry | I was around a lot when I first got the pre...I did some early wiki pages before they moved it to webos internals site |
| 10:43.42 | retry | the old optware setup had you bind /var/opt to /opt in fstab |
| 10:43.52 | retry | /var/opt /opt bind defaults,noatime,bind 0 0 <-- like so |
| 10:44.04 | retry | and we ran ipkg-opt to get packages and update |
| 10:44.13 | cryptk|work | hrm... that might have something to do with it |
| 10:44.19 | retry | i was fine with this approach but it occurred to me that the source urls might be all out of date |
| 10:44.24 | cryptk|work | that was back before webOS 1.3 even wasn't it |
| 10:44.28 | retry | and figured I'd jump on board the gui frontend wagon |
| 10:44.34 | retry | oh long before cryptk|work |
| 10:44.40 | retry | like I said, I was an early adopter... |
| 10:44.46 | cryptk|work | yeah, like in the 1.0 days right? |
| 10:44.50 | retry | yup |
| 10:45.04 | retry | before the cryptofs even |
| 10:45.12 | cryptk|work | yeah, that may have something to do with it, but I will wait for rwhitby to give his opinion... |
| 10:45.24 | retry | the dir is there though |
| 10:45.39 | retry | sh: can't open /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinst |
| 10:45.42 | retry | from this error message |
| 10:45.54 | retry | /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info/ exists |
| 10:45.56 | retry | there are files in it |
| 10:45.58 | retry | just not that one |
| 10:46.05 | cryptk|work | hrm... |
| 10:46.17 | cryptk|work | yeah, I am gonna bow out of this one... I have no clue, lol |
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| 10:46.26 | retry | i see the nascar manifest in there |
| 10:46.44 | retry | org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.pmmanifest is there |
| 10:46.51 | retry | so is org.webosinternals.preware.pmmanifest |
| 10:46.56 | retry | so they seem ot have installed |
| 10:47.03 | retry | I wonder what the postinst script does |
| 10:47.24 | dtzWill | alright 'night guys :). gl/hf/take care |
| 10:47.39 | retry | so rwhitby is my only hope then? |
| 10:47.51 | retry | I hope he gets back soon...nearly 1am and I still have to shower |
| 10:47.54 | cryptk|work | rwhitby: isn't your only hope, he just knows more about it than me |
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| 10:48.31 | cryptk|work | that and I am at work so i can only focus on IRC so much, lol |
| 10:49.43 | retry | you're at work at 5am? |
| 10:49.49 | cryptk|work | night shift |
| 10:49.56 | retry | what do you do? |
| 10:50.31 | cryptk|work | IT support, lol |
| 10:50.55 | cryptk|work | brb |
| 10:51.53 | rwhitby | retry: ok, so let's work out what's happening here. |
| 10:52.01 | retry | thanks |
| 10:52.03 | rwhitby | retry: how much linux experience do you have |
| 10:52.18 | retry | i admin 5 debian boxes? |
| 10:52.24 | rwhitby | cool. |
| 10:52.27 | retry | I've admin'd 50 gentoo once |
| 10:52.28 | retry | that sucked |
| 10:52.49 | rwhitby | so the postinst for ipkgservice is required to symlink the .jar file and the upstart script into the palm rootfs |
| 10:53.02 | retry | i see |
| 10:53.10 | retry | so there should be something in /etc/event.d for it |
| 10:53.18 | rwhitby | ipkg installs the scripts into /media/cryptofs/apps/.... and then the postinst needs to be run to move the files to /etc/event.d/ and other places |
| 10:53.29 | retry | aha |
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| 10:53.54 | rwhitby | so, can you pastebin the output of mount please? |
| 10:53.59 | retry | so while you were gone, rwhitby, i was telling cryptk|work how I was an early adopter of optware |
| 10:54.07 | retry | and have the old /var/opt /opt bind in fstab |
| 10:54.09 | retry | sure thing |
| 10:54.22 | retry | do you want mount or /etc/fstab? |
| 10:54.42 | rwhitby | retry: yeah, I remember you from the devwiki days |
| 10:54.48 | retry | :D |
| 10:54.58 | rwhitby | mount I guess |
| 10:54.59 | retry | http://webos.pastebin.com/m678bbf9b |
| 10:55.02 | retry | here's mount |
| 10:55.54 | retry | rwhitby, the postinst file should be in the ipk archive right? |
| 10:55.59 | rwhitby | ok, can you do "ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps files org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" and make sure that all the files it lists actually exist? |
| 10:56.01 | retry | can I use ipkg to list the files in there? |
| 10:56.07 | retry | sure |
| 10:56.14 | rwhitby | retry: yes, it should, but ipkg files will not show the postinst |
| 10:56.23 | retry | oh |
| 10:56.48 | rwhitby | actually, is the ipkgservice ipk file still in /tmp ? |
| 10:57.26 | dcordes | mickey|zzZzzz, ping |
| 10:57.33 | rwhitby | retry: if so, can you double check the md5sum? |
| 10:57.34 | rwhitby | 50da8fa71ba85d6c3bd3f2528fccfcb9 org.webosinternals.ipkgservice_0.9.34_all.ipk |
| 10:58.10 | retry | for i in `ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps files org.webosinternals.ipkgservice`; do if [ ! -f $i ]; then echo $i; fi; done |
| 10:58.20 | retry | ran that and didn't list any files...just non file related stuff |
| 10:58.25 | retry | md5sum check |
| 10:58.46 | retry | matches |
| 10:59.26 | retry | rwhitby, maybe dumb Q but could it have anything to do with perms on my /media/internal mount? |
| 10:59.41 | retry | i set that to my regular user UID |
| 10:59.47 | retry | don't see why that would do it since I ran this as root |
| 11:00.03 | retry | I'm just throwing out anything odd from olden days |
| 11:00.49 | rwhitby | oh, who know what that would do for the cryptofs area. |
| 11:01.07 | retry | hey |
| 11:01.09 | retry | apps/opt/lib/ipkg/info/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.postinstinst |
| 11:01.17 | retry | found this under /media/cryptofs |
| 11:01.41 | retry | it's opt not usr |
| 11:02.05 | rwhitby | ah, you've screwed with $PATH to put /opt first, right? |
| 11:02.16 | retry | oh yeah most likely |
| 11:02.32 | retry | /usr/local/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/opt/sbin |
| 11:03.02 | rwhitby | do you have an ipkg in /usr/bin ? |
| 11:03.32 | retry | yes |
| 11:04.01 | rwhitby | retry: wget the updated script and re-run it |
| 11:04.11 | retry | updated? same path? |
| 11:04.14 | rwhitby | yep |
| 11:05.16 | retry | hoo ray |
| 11:05.19 | retry | that did it |
| 11:05.22 | joshua | make sure you remove the old file, if you wget and a file exists I think it creates a new file with .1 added to the filename |
| 11:05.35 | joshua | err nevermind |
| 11:05.35 | joshua | heh |
| 11:05.37 | retry | joshua, actually it just said it wouldn't fetch it |
| 11:05.47 | rwhitby | busybox wget |
| 11:05.50 | retry | ok tyvm rwhitby, now how do I remove teh old failed install? |
| 11:05.53 | joshua | oh that crazy busybox |
| 11:06.10 | retry | tell me about it |
| 11:06.17 | joshua | I like lftp, its multipurpose |
| 11:06.18 | rwhitby | retry: /opt/bin/ipkg list |
| 11:06.25 | rwhitby | retry: and remove the ones that shouldn't be there |
| 11:06.30 | rwhitby | using /opt/bin/ipkg |
| 11:06.47 | rwhitby | (probably just preware and ipkgservice) |
| 11:06.47 | retry | that's my default by path |
| 11:06.52 | retry | list or list_installed? |
| 11:06.52 | cryptk|work | joshua: that is why I use a different command than what is listed on the preware page |
| 11:07.04 | retry | no I got lots of stuff |
| 11:07.05 | retry | bash |
| 11:07.07 | retry | openssh |
| 11:07.10 | rwhitby | retry: yeah, list_installed |
| 11:07.17 | retry | sudo nano |
| 11:07.19 | retry | etc |
| 11:07.24 | rwhitby | retry: no, I mean probably only remove preware and ipkgservice |
| 11:07.28 | retry | oh |
| 11:07.39 | retry | they aren't there |
| 11:07.46 | retry | I have OLD optware ipkg setup |
| 11:07.52 | retry | doesn't use cryptofs |
| 11:08.09 | rwhitby | a frankenpre |
| 11:08.50 | retry | early adopter curse |
| 11:09.29 | retry | I have files in here: /media/cryptofs/apps/opt/lib/ipkg/info |
| 11:09.59 | rwhitby | retry: ok, run /opt/bin/ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed |
| 11:10.11 | rwhitby | and then the same -o for remove |
| 11:10.52 | rwhitby | you may want to re-run the script afterwards, just in cas |
| 11:10.52 | rwhitby | e |
| 11:10.58 | retry | I'm removing both ipk ? |
| 11:11.02 | rwhitby | yep |
| 11:12.31 | retry | that removed the opt ones and left the usr ones |
| 11:12.35 | retry | hmm how did it know? |
| 11:12.40 | rwhitby | the -o |
| 11:13.03 | retry | but we didn't specify opt over usr |
| 11:13.20 | rwhitby | you did by running /opt/bin/ipkg instead of /usr/bin/ipk |
| 11:13.21 | rwhitby | g |
| 11:13.24 | retry | can you tell me what the event.d scripts are called? |
| 11:13.30 | retry | AH |
| 11:13.33 | rwhitby | same as the package name |
| 11:13.46 | retry | oh just the ipkgservice one then |
| 11:13.56 | rwhitby | we always name upstart scripts the same as the package name, for uniqueness |
| 11:14.17 | retry | sounds like a plan |
| 11:14.23 | retry | so all my current legacy optware stuff |
| 11:14.29 | rwhitby | stops collisions with Palm files too |
| 11:14.38 | retry | that I have installed in the old way...that is not compatible with the preware GUI app's installation? |
| 11:14.51 | retry | so it won't think I have bash and nano and dropbear installed will it |
| 11:15.12 | rwhitby | I'd log in via novaterm, remove /opt completely, remove the bind mount from /etc/fstab, and then install openssh-sftp-server from Preware |
| 11:15.32 | retry | oh |
| 11:15.35 | rwhitby | (and use ssh keys and root for everything) |
| 11:15.45 | retry | why ssh keys? |
| 11:16.01 | rwhitby | cause you can't enter a password via a preware install |
| 11:16.10 | rwhitby | and we don't want an iphone worm repeat performance on Pres |
| 11:16.43 | retry | you can't enter a password? |
| 11:16.55 | retry | i have iptables blocking ssh from the WAN |
| 11:17.03 | retry | i mean sprint connection |
| 11:17.09 | rwhitby | you can edit the upstart script if you choose |
| 11:17.10 | retry | only via wifi |
| 11:17.22 | rwhitby | it's ssh keys and root by default |
| 11:17.27 | cryptk|work | I find keys more convienient anyway |
| 11:17.27 | retry | ah |
| 11:17.41 | retry | yeah I sometimes use keys |
| 11:17.43 | retry | depends on the machine |
| 11:18.06 | retry | hmm preware is not booting up |
| 11:18.10 | retry | nor is package manager |
| 11:18.32 | cryptk|work | on a side note, I find it amazing that you have gone that long without a doctor... |
| 11:18.37 | rwhitby | retry: did you re-run the script after doing the removes? |
| 11:18.51 | retry | oh no I thought maybe I could get away with not doing it... |
| 11:18.53 | retry | I'll do it |
| 11:19.19 | cryptk|work | lol... you're gonna bring out the rwhitby-monstar! |
| 11:19.41 | rwhitby | the dbs were in different places, but the files would have been in the same place, so would have been removed. |
| 11:19.44 | retry | well he did say 'may want to ' |
| 11:20.08 | cryptk|work | that is true |
| 11:20.10 | retry | still not working :/ |
| 11:20.21 | retry | the icons get shiny for a few seconds then nothing |
| 11:20.37 | cryptk|work | luna rescan? |
| 11:20.42 | rwhitby | script does that |
| 11:20.45 | retry | built into the script |
| 11:20.51 | cryptk|work | ahh |
| 11:21.01 | rwhitby | script is supposed to be foolproof |
| 11:21.03 | retry | is anything logged? |
| 11:21.10 | retry | as you said...frankenpre |
| 11:21.12 | rwhitby | retry: you can try /var/log/messages |
| 11:21.17 | cryptk|work | it was, until retry told you to retry at making it foolproof, lol |
| 11:21.21 | retry | hmm I did ...didn't see anything |
| 11:21.45 | rwhitby | retry: does initctl status say that ipkgservice is running? |
| 11:21.52 | retry | let me put a tail -f on messages one sec |
| 11:22.01 | rwhitby | even if it wasn't, preware should start and complain |
| 11:22.18 | retry | nothing in messages |
| 11:23.01 | retry | (37390/182838958) org.webosinternals.ipkgservice (stop) waiting |
| 11:23.17 | retry | hmm I started it |
| 11:23.23 | retry | it's not forked to bg though |
| 11:23.34 | retry | oh wait it died |
| 11:23.43 | retry | it ran for a while though |
| 11:23.54 | rwhitby | all it does is send a luna-send to the java service |
| 11:24.11 | retry | it's supposed to stop after that? |
| 11:24.15 | rwhitby | but if there is an error in the upstart script before it gets to that, then you're stuffed. |
| 11:24.36 | retry | yeah still nothing's working |
| 11:24.41 | rwhitby | and the only way to debug that is to strace PID 1 |
| 11:24.57 | retry | PID 1? |
| 11:25.04 | rwhitby | the upstart script is also supposed to be foolproof ;-) |
| 11:25.07 | retry | oh upstart |
| 11:25.19 | retry | there's no logging anywhere else? |
| 11:25.24 | rwhitby | debugging upstart script failures sucks |
| 11:25.49 | rwhitby | cost me days of pulling out hair around webOS 1.2.x |
| 11:26.29 | retry | sounds most unpleasant |
| 11:26.31 | rwhitby | you can do the luna-send command from the upstart script manually to see whether the service is running |
| 11:26.58 | rwhitby | now, what was I meant to be doing tonight ... |
| 11:27.15 | rwhitby | that's right. Preware vs app catalog locking. |
| 11:28.14 | retry | luna-send -n 1 luna://org.webosinternals.ipkgservice/status '{}' |
| 11:28.16 | retry | this one? |
| 11:28.35 | retry | there are lines that say logger? |
| 11:28.39 | retry | where do those log to |
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| 11:28.56 | retry | return val of the luna cmd is ** Message: serviceResponse Handling: 2, {"returnValue":true} |
| 11:29.18 | retry | still nothing :/ |
| 11:29.57 | rwhitby | that says the service is working |
| 11:30.09 | retry | yeah it seems happy |
| 11:30.18 | rwhitby | so preware should be able to talk to it |
| 11:31.07 | retry | does the process show up in a ps aux? |
| 11:31.11 | retry | what would I look for? |
| 11:31.52 | retry | oh there's a whomping great java process running |
| 11:32.10 | retry | /usr/lib/luna/java/org.webosinternals.ipkgservice.jar this is buried in it |
| 11:33.44 | retry | rwhitby, any idea how else to proceed? |
| 11:34.22 | retry | maybe if I just removed the opt stuff from my PATH and reinstalled it might work alright |
| 11:35.03 | rwhitby | what happens when you tap on the preware icon? |
| 11:35.20 | retry | it gives me the shiny icon for a few seconds then stops |
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| 11:36.38 | rwhitby | and nothing in /var/log/messages? |
| 11:37.36 | retry | nope nothing at all |
| 11:38.06 | rwhitby | ok, run "dbus-util --capture org.webosinternals.ipkgservice" while hitting the preware ion |
| 11:38.08 | rwhitby | icon |
| 11:39.06 | retry | nothing :| |
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| 11:41.29 | retry | rwhitby, is there at least a way to get pkg updates with ipkg? I worry that my source lists are out of date and so might be my packages |
| 11:42.47 | retry | hmm pastebin wont let me paste the contents of optware.conf |
| 11:42.56 | retry | compains about spam |
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| 11:43.52 | retry | the urls in my old optware.conf definitely do not match the newer ones for ipkgservice |
| 11:44.16 | retry | mine are pointing to http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/ |
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| 11:48.53 | joshua | all this work, I would have just doctored and reinstalled preware. heh |
| 11:49.12 | retry | well that may be my only hope at this point |
| 11:49.18 | retry | I certainly don't know how to fix it on my own |
| 11:49.42 | retry | I'm examining feeds right now...looks like the old optware sources are keeping up to date |
| 11:50.50 | rwhitby | I don't know why Preware won't start - that's pure webOS at that point. |
| 11:51.37 | retry | maybe I should just try a reboot...why not |
| 11:51.43 | retry | can't possibly hurt |
| 11:51.58 | retry | ....watch as I brick it |
| 11:52.09 | rwhitby | http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/preware/ticket/18 and I'm done for the night. |
| 11:52.13 | rwhitby | retry: have fun. |
| 11:52.42 | rwhitby | bbt |
| 11:53.02 | retry | alright thanks for all your help... |
| 11:53.19 | retry | I sure hope I can solve this without doctoring |
| 11:54.09 | retry | kinda interesting comparing this: http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/ |
| 11:54.17 | retry | to http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/optware/armv7/ |
| 11:54.39 | retry | first one is the old optware feed and latter is the one preware/ipkgservice uses |
| 11:55.08 | retry | same version of openssl |
| 11:55.23 | retry | openssh versions are SLIGHTLY different ...not sure it's a big deal |
| 11:56.28 | retry | oh hey reboot fixed everything :D |
| 11:56.38 | retry | the package manager icon went away but preware stayed and booted up |
| 12:03.59 | joshua | hmm there is a beta chess.com app |
| 12:06.56 | cryptk|work | retry: good stuff man |
| 12:07.14 | retry | yeah who'd have thought reboot would fix it |
| 12:07.22 | retry | but that seems to fix everything with the pre |
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| 13:27.23 | cryptk|work | (that last part was you dtzWill) |
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| 14:56.02 | destinal | dreadwyre-: uh, can't you just use novacom / novaterm to connect to a shell on the pre and run it there? |
| 14:57.10 | dreadwyre- | destinal: would love to automate it. For example bring the palm pre to USB mode using a simple desktop shortcut and start mp3 sync |
| 15:01.11 | destinal | dreadwyre-: for mp3's I'd just use usbnet and dropbear or openssh server on the pre and scp your stuff across. for other things? sure, you can script any commands you want into the device using the novacom protocol, there's not any really easy interface for doing so at this point |
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| 15:05.29 | Rick_work | dreadwyre- what is it you're wanting to sync? You want to auto-sync the mp3 folder on your desktop to the pre? |
| 15:08.04 | dreadwyre- | Rick_work: Yes. I wan't to sync iTunes using itunes agent. I wanted to make it work using only one click and avoid touching my pre (like an iPhone) :-) |
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| 15:10.32 | Rick_work | dreadwyre- I sort of understand. I hate what itunes does in terms of folders and files arrangement, but if you're used to it and like it, then that's good. |
| 15:11.07 | Rick_work | Here's my question to you tho. Are the itunes files physically arranged on the desktop in a single, or a small set of folders? |
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| 15:11.44 | dreadwyre- | Rick_work: Can export it in both ways. |
| 15:12.04 | Rick_work | that wasn't my question. On the desktop, are they clustered, or not? |
| 15:12.30 | dreadwyre- | Rick_work: The iTunes folder itself is clustered. |
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| 15:14.12 | Rick_work | dreadwyre- then here's what _I_ would do. I would enable USBNET on the pre and on your desktop, and instead of using itunes internal sync, I would set up an rsync that sync'ed your music folder onto the Pre when you plug it in. One click. Are you on a mac or a windows box? |
| 15:14.44 | dreadwyre- | Rick_work: Windows. But with one big limitation: No Wifi. :-( |
| 15:15.16 | Rick_work | dreadwyre- that's why I said USBNET -- so that you can do network transfers over the usb plug WITHOUT putting the pre into usb mode. |
| 15:17.17 | Rick_work | as a matter of fact, if you wanted to get fancy, xorg has figured out how to run samba on the pre, and you could just MOUNT media/internal/music as a shared drive on your windows box and see it as for example drive P: if you enabled samba and usbnet on the pre. |
| 15:17.40 | Rick_work | without doing anything special in terms of running software on the pre, just plug it in, and it would "be there" |
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| 15:17.59 | Rick_work | xorg has this all worked out. You may want to drop in tonight when he's around. |
| 15:18.16 | Rick_work | since he doesn't seem to be responding just now. |
| 15:18.26 | dreadwyre- | Rick_work: That sounds interesting. Usbnet was the term missing in my mind. You guys rock. |
| 15:18.42 | Rick_work | dreadwyre- check the wiki for usbnet and for xorg tools |
| 15:20.04 | zsoc|away | i'm actually quite impressed usbnet works so well on win7 with no drivers |
| 15:23.01 | xorg | actually you don't need samba to just mount |
| 15:23.04 | xorg | as a client |
| 15:23.14 | xorg | cifs support is built into the webos kernel |
| 15:23.29 | xorg | you only need to install samba for server side on webos |
| 15:24.20 | xorg | see... http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Backup_Media_Drive_over_WiFi |
| 15:25.57 | xorg | i missed the original request, just singed in |
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| 19:20.33 | jacques | infobot: status |
| 19:20.34 | infobot | Since Tue Feb 2 02:10:03 2010, there have been 28 modifications, 123 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 49 commands. I have been awake for 1d 17h 10m 30s this session, and currently reference 116805 factoids. I'm using about 20936 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3652.92/131.62 child 0.37/0.12 |
| 19:23.53 | egaudet_work | xorg: You don't want to be thinking Upstart , you want to be thinking in the scope of Luna/dbus |
| 19:24.28 | egaudet_work | I don't know the exact service off hand but I' fairly certain you can subscribe to some method that notifies of an app launching, closing, active etc... |
| 19:24.55 | xorg | want to trigger script when camera closes... but don't want to have another daemon checking all the time... icould look at luna looks i suppose |
| 19:25.11 | egaudet_work | try a dbus-util --capture and see what services are saying about the app opening/closing |
| 19:25.28 | xorg | yeah, done that.. |
| 19:25.45 | xorg | looks=logs |
| 19:25.52 | egaudet_work | What specifically are you trying to do btw? |
| 19:26.49 | xorg | a variation of the mediabackup using cifs.... setup a share for photos on a pc. when you take a picture (or close the camera app), the script does its cifs mount thing and sends pic to pc |
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| 19:28.14 | xorg | so i need to find when cam closes, but was hoping to use an existing daemon like upstart rather have yet another daemon running. |
| 19:30.27 | xorg | looked into the inotify method that you mentioned, to see if the dcim folder changes, but don't want to have to install inotify-tools... or are there inotify commands on webos? |
| 19:33.01 | xorg | we do need to come up with a way to get shell and luna/mojo talking to each other and just have one deamon instead of a bunch of webosinternal daemons for each app. |
| 19:33.35 | egaudet_work | this does not sound like something you want to do with upstart |
| 19:34.04 | egaudet_work | upstart shouldn't be very heavy just kick off some daemon or do something necessary on each start of the service |
| 19:34.05 | xorg | yeah, was trying to think of a way with upstart, haven't come up with a way. |
| 19:34.16 | egaudet_work | I'd say this is a job for C service maybe |
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| 19:34.36 | xorg | yeah, am trying to avoid that. |
| 19:34.40 | egaudet_work | Why? |
| 19:35.09 | xorg | service as a daemon? |
| 19:35.26 | egaudet_work | ? |
| 19:35.36 | egaudet_work | technically all C services are a part of some daemon yes |
| 19:36.08 | xorg | i if could plug into an existing daemon to poll the dbus... i'm trying to avoid a new daemon |
| 19:36.22 | egaudet_work | you don't poll the dbus |
| 19:36.26 | egaudet_work | you get events |
| 19:37.09 | Rick_work | VincentLaw back -- any luck? |
| 19:37.41 | xorg | will think that through.. thanks |
| 19:37.51 | egaudet_work | what specifically do you need a shell script for? |
| 19:39.08 | egaudet_work | You can make a daemon, written in C, that is kicked off by upstart and subscribes to various dbus services for specific events you need to trigger something |
| 19:39.16 | xorg | it's something i'm planning to add in xorg tools... cam pics get rsync to photo share on pc... |
| 19:39.24 | egaudet_work | rather than a shell script running and polling things |
| 19:39.32 | destinal | egaudet_work: new hidd plugins would allow us to add new peripherals to a pre or to an emulator. Whether these peripherals are tied to real hardware or software on another computer, the same principle applies |
| 19:39.42 | destinal | bluetooth and usb keyboards to start with |
| 19:40.10 | destinal | also we could give the emulator a lot of "real" hardware to make it more useful to testing certain things without a pre |
| 19:40.23 | xorg | yup, understand writing a new daemon... all these daemons we're addding... trying add yet another one. am hoping to tag onto an exissting one, but not likely it appears. |
| 19:40.25 | destinal | like accelerometers, switches, sensors, buttons, |
| 19:40.28 | egaudet_work | webcam :P |
| 19:40.33 | destinal | yup |
| 19:40.44 | destinal | that last may not be hidd but you get the picture |
| 19:41.15 | egaudet_work | xorg: I'm just confused because I don't know your specific scope, but a daemon is just something running in the background. LunaSysMgr is a HUGE daemon that does a ton of stuff |
| 19:41.32 | destinal | egaudet_work: I want to create a virtual touchscreen based on a TUIO listener daemon |
| 19:41.47 | Lumiere | would love a usb keyboard for pre! |
| 19:41.49 | destinal | so you could use real external multitouch hardware to drive the emulator |
| 19:42.23 | egaudet_work | that would be cool |
| 19:42.23 | xorg | sure, i understand... just don't want to clog webos with more daemons always running |
| 19:42.36 | egaudet_work | xorg: a C service is not always running |
| 19:42.47 | egaudet_work | in the sense that it's taking up resources |
| 19:43.04 | xorg | will look into it |
| 19:43.04 | egaudet_work | it is event driven, not constantly running and polling |
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| 19:44.38 | destinal | Lumiere: I'm working on the actual usb host mode part of that as well, there's a usb OTG chipset in the pre, so we should be able to interface usb devices, but while I have gotten an external usb keyboard to power up / draw power from the pre with OTG mode and a micro-A cable I haven't gotten any to successfully enumerate (detect) |
| 19:45.00 | Lumiere | destinal: ah |
| 19:45.18 | Lumiere | destinal: I'd love to be able to use the pre as a usb host for a dSLR |
| 19:45.59 | entity- | id love to be able to plug in my memorys tick |
| 19:46.14 | mikewx | i'm voting for the usb missile launcher~ |
| 19:46.16 | egaudet_work | destinal: so the same type of thing would be used to get a USB keyboard's input into Luna as I want to get the VKB to do |
| 19:46.28 | destinal | egaudet_work: exactly |
| 19:47.28 | egaudet_work | so very much to do, so little time :p |
| 19:47.36 | jacques | destinal: this sounds really cool "I want to create a virtual touchscreen based on a TUIO listener daemon ... so you could use real external multitouch hardware to drive the emulator" |
| 19:47.38 | destinal | for your VKB I think the hidd plugin could be connected to a daemon which also is a luna service |
| 19:48.11 | destinal | so the mojo app sends key events to the service which stuffs them into hidd |
| 19:48.23 | egaudet_work | right |
| 19:48.30 | Lumiere | on a totally unrelated note |
| 19:48.33 | Lumiere | had issues with with his pre last night in the snow XD |
| 19:48.43 | egaudet_work | but this would also require attaching to whatever the current keypad hidd is sending out |
| 19:48.43 | Lumiere | the flakes were actually registering as clicks |
| 19:49.23 | jacques | destinal: if we could get the touchscreen + emulator thing working by SCALE it would make a great booth demo |
| 19:49.30 | destinal | jacques: yeah, I'm excited about the possibilities, we just need to reverse engineer hidd plugins. right now the plugin offers one function when dynamically loaded that returns a callback table of functions |
| 19:49.49 | destinal | well a struct that I think is a callback table maybe with some additional data |
| 19:50.03 | destinal | which I'm not sure quite the best way to decipher |
| 19:50.03 | egaudet_work | use an iphone to drive a Pre emulator :p |
| 19:50.43 | jacques | destinal: I assume we don't have source to any of these hidd plugins ? |
| 19:50.51 | destinal | jacques: you assume correctly |
| 19:50.51 | jacques | destinal: where are they found? |
| 19:51.22 | destinal | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Hidd has some of the info I've captured |
| 19:51.42 | jacques | are hidd plugins a Palm invention ? |
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| 19:51.45 | destinal | yes |
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| 19:51.53 | destinal | hidd is a palm invention |
| 19:51.57 | jacques | ah |
| 19:52.00 | jacques | `k |
| 19:52.06 | PuffTheMagic | invention :D |
| 19:52.07 | destinal | it's not what you normally think of as hid |
| 19:52.25 | PuffTheMagic | high intensity discharge |
| 19:52.30 | destinal | it's just input hardware where each device has its own plugin |
| 19:53.08 | PuffTheMagic | its like a mini xserver for hw only |
| 19:53.19 | PuffTheMagic | input-hw |
| 19:53.21 | destinal | jacques: check the .xml file that configures hidd with the list of plugins and their .so |
| 19:53.22 | destinal | libs |
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| 19:54.14 | egaudet_work | It's time to start cracking this bad boy down |
| 19:54.35 | jacques | destinal: that's some interesting stuff |
| 19:55.02 | destinal | jacques: probably the first step is to make a wrapper plugin that dynamically loads the .so and itself exposes the same interfaces so we can trace it (unless ltrace works for this) |
| 19:55.16 | jacques | hmmm |
| 19:55.37 | egaudet_work | brb, lunch |
| 19:56.07 | destinal | then dump the passed params and start deciphering them |
| 19:57.18 | jacques | is WIDK the new name for something? |
| 19:57.36 | Lumiere | webos-internals dev kit |
| 19:57.38 | destinal | jacques: WIDK (what? I don't know) |
| 19:57.43 | Lumiere | is what I saw on the front page |
| 19:58.00 | destinal | seriously what used to be the webos internals PDK |
| 19:58.08 | jacques | yeah OK that's what I thought |
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| 19:58.24 | jacques | I just missed the re-name |
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| 20:02.42 | diov6 | can anyone tell me what the general process of submiting a patch is? |
| 20:06.57 | Rick_work | test your patch, create a unified diff, and submit it to the patch submission site. |
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| 20:10.01 | diov6 | ok thanks |
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| 20:39.41 | LoneStar99 | where are installed downloaded apps installed? an app is causing overwrite errors... |
| 20:40.02 | egaudet_work | overwrite? |
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| 20:41.04 | egaudet_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.08 | LoneStar99 | after about 2 months of developing for webOS, beginning to get com.palm.webos.jpkg.PackageBuilderException: Unable to overwrite existing package destination. path=[C:\Users\DANGO-~1\AppData\Local\Temp\com.buildasearch.search.app_1.0.3_all.ipk]. |
| 20:41.08 | LoneStar99 | com.palm.webos.jpkg.PackageBuilderException: Unable to overwrite existing package destination. path=[C:\Users\DANGO-~1\AppData\Local\Temp\com.buildasearch.search.app_1.0.3_all.ipk]. |
| 20:41.31 | LoneStar99 | just began happening earlier today |
| 20:41.50 | egaudet_work | doing what? |
| 20:42.01 | egaudet_work | that's not from the Pre |
| 20:42.06 | LoneStar99 | emulator |
| 20:42.23 | LoneStar99 | installing an IPK for viewing |
| 20:42.29 | LoneStar99 | and testing |
| 20:42.29 | egaudet_work | how are you installing it |
| 20:43.35 | LoneStar99 | eclipse |
| 20:43.38 | egaudet_work | that error looks like it's your Windows path |
| 20:43.43 | egaudet_work | nothing to do with the device |
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| 20:44.01 | LoneStar99 | ls -l displays 755 so not sure why it is producing problems |
| 20:44.26 | Rick_work | LoneStar99 -- where is your palm-install and your eclipse installed to? |
| 20:44.40 | LoneStar99 | oh yeah, maybe the %tmp% folder |
| 20:44.45 | Rick_work | nodnod |
| 20:44.47 | LoneStar99 | let me check that out |
| 20:45.02 | LoneStar99 | everything seems fine in linux... |
| 20:45.18 | Rick_work | its refering to your c: drive |
| 20:45.39 | Rick_work | [C:\Users\DANGO-~1\AppData\Local\Temp\ |
| 20:46.03 | VincentLaw | Rick_work: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/228692-patch-pandora-ad-fix.html came up with a patch to kill the empty ad boxes. I just decided to add a imageUrl="" test to their existing tests of imageUrl=null. won't break pandora and if they ever get the ads working it won't interfere! :D |
| 20:46.39 | LoneStar99 | yeah, i probably need to restart this computer, really sucks cuss it was restarted lastnight |
| 20:47.02 | LoneStar99 | welcome to windows 7! |
| 20:47.19 | Rick_work | LoneStar99 windows 7 is way better than vista was |
| 20:47.22 | gkatsev | there is a registery hack to make it never restart |
| 20:47.26 | VincentLaw | hasn't rebooted since the last windows update |
| 20:47.28 | gkatsev | it is so useful |
| 20:47.33 | Rick_work | BUT the whole concept of unprivlidged users is complex. |
| 20:47.34 | gkatsev | yeah, same |
| 20:47.45 | VincentLaw | you don't need a registry hack to keep it from rebooting? |
| 20:48.20 | gkatsev | VincentLaw: are you asking? |
| 20:48.47 | VincentLaw | I'm asking why you needed a registry hack |
| 20:49.08 | LoneStar99 | Rick_work: honestly the last builds of vista where pretty stable, windows 7 seems abit better though |
| 20:49.14 | gkatsev | if you tell windows to autoinstall updates, if you dont restart, it will autorestart for you. |
| 20:49.29 | gkatsev | you can disable the autorestart with autoinstalls via a registery hack |
| 20:49.42 | VincentLaw | sure, if you turn on autoinstalls, but why would you do that if you don't want it to autorestart |
| 20:49.46 | gkatsev | LoneStar99: win7 is better in pretty much every way. |
| 20:49.52 | VincentLaw | no point in automatically installing if you're not going to reboot :/ |
| 20:50.06 | LoneStar99 | yeah, it is an error overwritting the tmp file |
| 20:50.25 | gkatsev | VincentLaw: so, i dont have to bother remembering to install. i just dont want it to autoreboot because i could be dling stuff or have some important stuff open |
| 20:51.07 | oil | never did see a screenshot... |
| 20:51.10 | VincentLaw | that's what the "autodownload and prompt for install" option is for :p |
| 20:51.24 | VincentLaw | it'll remind you there's updates, download them, and ask for you to install when you're ready |
| 20:51.43 | VincentLaw | just sayin' |
| 20:52.29 | gkatsev | lol |
| 20:57.55 | LoneStar99 | thanks for the help need to restart win7 after about 10 hours of use... |
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| 20:59.14 | VincentLaw | LoneStar99 obviously doesn't remember the good old days |
| 20:59.28 | VincentLaw | when Win95 would reboot for you just for looking at it the wrong way |
| 21:00.20 | swishy | VincentLaw: and when the mouse moved |
| 21:00.32 | swishy | VincentLaw: "calcd new coords please reboot!" |
| 21:00.33 | swishy | ;) |
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| 21:15.33 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:17.47 | dtzWill | rwhitby: morning :) |
| 21:17.51 | zsoc | mornin |
| 21:18.17 | dtzWill | zsoc: 'ello :) |
| 21:18.29 | zsoc | dtzWill: yallo |
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| 21:29.52 | jacques | morning rwhitby |
| 21:29.58 | VincentLaw | afternoon :p |
| 21:30.10 | jacques | howdy zsoc |
| 21:30.27 | zsoc | jacques: wazap |
| 21:30.27 | BoomerET | Ok, how come my emu doesn't show my mouse anymore :( |
| 21:30.40 | egaudet_work | the cat ate it |
| 21:30.43 | zsoc | host key? |
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| 21:32.11 | BoomerET | Keyboard only needs to have focus, but I can't see where my mouse is... |
| 21:32.20 | BoomerET | I so badly want to touch my monitor :) |
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| 21:35.51 | rwhitby | BoomerET: restart the emu - it happens sometimes for some reason |
| 21:36.30 | Lumiere | I wonder if thinkgeek's multitouch usb device |
| 21:36.37 | Lumiere | could be tied to the emu |
| 21:36.46 | jacques | emulator doesn't support multitouch does it ? |
| 21:37.10 | Lumiere | jacques: if a hardware device connected to it was passing the info? |
| 21:37.13 | jacques | there exist multitouch laptops - would be fun to use emu with one |
| 21:37.41 | jacques | Lumiere: I have no idea if it does - my question was not in response to yours |
| 21:37.47 | Lumiere | ah |
| 21:38.05 | Lumiere | jacques: my response was sort-of in response to yours :) |
| 21:38.49 | Lumiere | if something was passing that multi-touch information through to linux |
| 21:39.02 | Lumiere | would a driver on the emu be able to handle it |
| 21:39.02 | jacques | I have a convertible tablet laptop (not multitouch) - would be neat to use it to demo webos at SCALE |
| 21:39.23 | rwhitby | everyone seen http://www.cyrket.com/m/palm/ ? |
| 21:39.36 | jacques | we could almost certainly do it if we reversed the hidd plugins like destinal was talking about |
| 21:39.43 | egaudet_work | when is scale? |
| 21:39.53 | jacques | feb 20-21 |
| 21:40.19 | jacques | sorry: February 19-21, 2010 |
| 21:40.35 | jacques | ~scale8x |
| 21:40.50 | jacques | infobot: scale8x is http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/ |
| 21:40.51 | infobot | okay, jacques |
| 21:41.02 | egaudet_work | shall we begin the hidd race? |
| 21:41.20 | jacques | well, I'm at work so I cna't be racing right now :-) |
| 21:41.27 | egaudet_work | same here :p |
| 21:41.28 | bpadalino|work | what is the hidd race ? |
| 21:42.02 | jacques | bpadalino|work: I assume to race to reverse engineer hidd / hidd plugins so that we can write our own plugins |
| 21:42.03 | egaudet_work | figure out hidd enough to get a custom plugin |
| 21:42.14 | bpadalino|work | ah i see |
| 21:42.15 | jacques | lol so much more concise |
| 21:42.16 | bpadalino|work | interesting |
| 21:42.40 | egaudet_work | :p, and the race part is in time for a working SCALE demo |
| 21:42.56 | jacques | I've been looking for an excuse to get the multitouch option on a new lenovo laptop |
| 21:43.17 | jacques | any ideas people have for demoing at scale are more than welcome |
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| 21:45.17 | Lumiere | jacques: unless you're doing it in person... a document camera and projector? |
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| 21:51.39 | jacques | Lumiere: I will be demoing in person at the webos-internals booth |
| 21:52.00 | jacques | I just don't want to use my personal phone to demo - ppl always want to hold / touch |
| 21:52.11 | jacques | and sometimes they drop things ;-D |
| 21:52.11 | Lumiere | I totally agree |
| 21:52.18 | Lumiere | or do stupid things :) |
| 21:52.25 | Lumiere | it was if you were presenting |
| 21:52.41 | Lumiere | in a room where people wouldn't be able to see it easily |
| 21:52.46 | jacques | oh, I submitted a proposal to present but it wasn't accepted :-( |
| 21:52.50 | Lumiere | :( |
| 21:53.07 | jacques | there's a chance we might have a BoF tho |
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| 21:53.22 | Abyssul | Hey |
| 21:53.28 | jacques | and I submitted a proposal for a lightning talk and haven't hearb back yet |
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| 21:54.31 | jacques | I guess I need to actually get the emulator installed on my laptop and see how it looks |
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| 21:54.43 | jacques | has never installed / used the emulator |
| 21:55.15 | Lumiere | http://www.elmousa.com/ stuff like this is awesome for showing your hands on the device |
| 21:55.19 | Lumiere | to a ton of people |
| 21:57.58 | jacques | we should attempt to schedule a BoF; there are slots available: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale8x/special-events/birds-feather |
| 21:58.22 | jacques | we had one a couple of years ago and rwhitby participated over skype IIRC |
| 21:58.35 | jacques | hmm, that would kinda rock |
| 21:59.40 | zsoc | why don't we have a skype-like channel? |
| 21:59.41 | jacques | hmm, no AV equipment available for BoFs this year :-\ |
| 22:00.10 | jacques | we could setup our own tho ... esp since I am on the AV team at scale |
| 22:01.21 | Lumiere | jacques: all you need is a laptop and network |
| 22:01.24 | Lumiere | to get someone by skype |
| 22:01.36 | dBsooner | who was it in here that had the issue with battery drain and volume button? |
| 22:01.40 | dBsooner | yesterday.. |
| 22:02.04 | Lumiere | dBsooner: I dunno what has changed on my phone, but I am barely managing 12 hours now on my phone |
| 22:02.20 | dBsooner | Yeah, today I lost 50% in 3 hours |
| 22:02.24 | dBsooner | and I didn't even touch it. |
| 22:02.46 | dBsooner | and before you go there.. its completely stock. |
| 22:02.51 | dBsooner | no patches, no apps, nada. |
| 22:02.55 | egaudet_work | stupid stocks |
| 22:02.59 | dBsooner | is rollin old school. |
| 22:03.20 | VincentLaw | well there's your problem, WebOS 1.0.0 sucked! :p |
| 22:03.31 | Lumiere | dBsooner: gps off, wifi on, radio on? sprint pre? |
| 22:03.32 | jacques | my Pre crashed hard last night while I was asleep - had to pull the battery this morning to get it to boot |
| 22:03.56 | dBsooner | wifi = off, gps = off |
| 22:04.05 | dBsooner | Radio = on, cover = 5 bars |
| 22:04.10 | dBsooner | sprint pre |
| 22:04.13 | jacques | before that it had about a 24-day uptime |
| 22:04.26 | Lumiere | mine never makes it 24 days without a battery failure |
| 22:04.31 | dBsooner | Well mine started this morning by thinking the volume down button was stuck |
| 22:04.47 | dBsooner | i was tlaking on it then all of a sudden the volume turns down |
| 22:04.50 | Lumiere | and the [.\'] lightning bolt thing |
| 22:04.50 | dBsooner | and no way to turn it up |
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| 22:04.54 | bpadalino|work | mine thinks it's 5:08pm now .. |
| 22:04.57 | Lumiere | stuck button? |
| 22:04.58 | bpadalino|work | when it isn't |
| 22:05.03 | dBsooner | no, it wasn't stuck. |
| 22:05.15 | dBsooner | I had to pull the battery to get it to stop. |
| 22:05.16 | Lumiere | dBsooner: shorted? |
| 22:05.42 | dBsooner | nope |
| 22:05.50 | dBsooner | after rebooting, button functions normal |
| 22:05.51 | dBsooner | no issues |
| 22:06.01 | dBsooner | but then i had the hella battery drain |
| 22:08.23 | jacques | hmm, I might have to buy this: http://www.precentral.net/review-newsroom |
| 22:08.52 | VincentLaw | no google reader integration, no buy |
| 22:09.23 | jacques | actually prefers apps _not_ integrated with google stuff |
| 22:09.37 | VincentLaw | I wouldn't use an RSS reader if it wasn't for google reader, tbqh |
| 22:09.52 | Lumiere | I like apps that allow, but do not require integrations |
| 22:09.55 | VincentLaw | it's not so much that it's google, it's that it's online and synced, so it's the same wherever I go |
| 22:10.16 | Lumiere | I wish that people could use synergy |
| 22:10.23 | Lumiere | to log into the google account though |
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| 22:11.15 | Lumiere | so instead of typing a password it requests information from synergy (like connect to API z and do x) |
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| 22:16.04 | swishy | Lumiere: synergy? |
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| 22:19.43 | iSmite | stil no word on webos 1.4? |
| 22:19.52 | iSmite | im getting addicted to refreshing updates |
| 22:20.42 | gkatsev | iSmite: "frebruary" aka, the 29th |
| 22:20.58 | iSmite | nooo |
| 22:21.08 | gkatsev | s/29/31/ |
| 22:21.15 | gkatsev | that failed... |
| 22:21.17 | iSmite | lolll |
| 22:21.21 | gkatsev | s/29th/31st/ |
| 22:21.33 | iSmite | i think that qualifies for a fail too |
| 22:21.41 | gkatsev | no, i know that didnt work |
| 22:21.57 | iSmite | i preferred 31th it was funnier. |
| 22:22.09 | gkatsev | lol |
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| 22:22.44 | iSmite | crappy iphone firmware update today that i'm not bothering with, i thought ooh wonder if palm will have something |
| 22:22.58 | xenoph0be | webos |
| 22:23.00 | xenoph0be | er fail |
| 22:23.01 | xenoph0be | lol |
| 22:23.48 | iSmite | ? |
| 22:23.57 | xenoph0be | forgot the /j # |
| 22:24.08 | tlp | Is there an easy way to nuke the USB partition on a freshly doctored phone that cannot be activated? |
| 22:24.08 | iSmite | lolll |
| 22:24.23 | tlp | s/an easy/any/ |
| 22:24.27 | xenoph0be | tlp: microwave? |
| 22:24.29 | tlp | haha |
| 22:24.32 | tlp | I have to return this device |
| 22:24.33 | egaudet_work | I don't understand the question |
| 22:24.36 | tlp | but I don't want my crap on it |
| 22:24.44 | tlp | I don't want /media/internal to contain anything |
| 22:24.48 | iSmite | no no no it's a well known fact that microwaving fixes iphones only |
| 22:24.56 | iSmite | its te advice we give on our irc. |
| 22:25.12 | tlp | I've got novaterm connected, but I'm not sure I can do much with this |
| 22:25.19 | iSmite | hello egaudet_work |
| 22:25.20 | tlp | USB mode does not give me a drive |
| 22:25.35 | egaudet_work | if you can novaterm in you can erase whatever you want off /media/internal |
| 22:25.42 | tlp | how? |
| 22:25.42 | egaudet_work | hi iSmite |
| 22:25.50 | tlp | I need a real terminal |
| 22:25.58 | egaudet_work | novaterm is a real terminal... |
| 22:26.02 | Mousey | wonders what a fake terminal is |
| 22:26.03 | tlp | I just have non-UNIX commands |
| 22:26.15 | tlp | i.e. I can reset the phone, etc. |
| 22:26.19 | egaudet_work | huh? |
| 22:26.21 | Mousey | uh |
| 22:26.22 | Mousey | huh? |
| 22:26.25 | iSmite | i just use ssh for deleting whatever im allergic to terminal |
| 22:26.38 | Mousey | reels from all the crazy talk |
| 22:26.41 | tlp | when I type novaterm, I don't get a Linux shell. |
| 22:26.42 | egaudet_work | my head is really going to explode |
| 22:26.42 | xenoph0be | sftp? |
| 22:26.48 | tlp | does that make sense at all? |
| 22:26.58 | egaudet_work | no |
| 22:27.02 | tlp | I get a ] prompt |
| 22:27.04 | egaudet_work | oh |
| 22:27.07 | egaudet_work | bootie |
| 22:27.19 | egaudet_work | (i think) |
| 22:27.26 | tlp | what's bootie? |
| 22:27.29 | PuffTheMagic | git r done |
| 22:27.34 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: ] is bootie right? |
| 22:27.43 | egaudet_work | bootie prompt* |
| 22:27.44 | PuffTheMagic | ] ? |
| 22:27.59 | tlp | I've got a mostly dead Pre powered on in USB mode with novaterm, and it gives me a ] prompt |
| 22:28.02 | egaudet_work | tlp, just meta doctor with dev mode and bypass activation |
| 22:28.14 | egaudet_work | USB mode? |
| 22:28.14 | PuffTheMagic | tlp: yeah |
| 22:28.17 | PuffTheMagic | thats bootie |
| 22:28.21 | PuffTheMagic | tlp: mostly dead? |
| 22:28.23 | PuffTheMagic | whats the issue? |
| 22:28.27 | tlp | touchscreen is shattered |
| 22:28.31 | tlp | so I can't tap anything |
| 22:28.37 | sugardave | runs to find Billy Crystal. |
| 22:28.37 | egaudet_work | metadoctor |
| 22:28.38 | PuffTheMagic | awesome |
| 22:28.42 | Mousey | wonders what bootie is, thinks he should rtfm |
| 22:28.44 | tlp | egaudet_work: You hold the Volume Up button with the phone off, and then plug in USB |
| 22:28.53 | egaudet_work | that's not USB mode |
| 22:28.56 | egaudet_work | that's bootie recovery mode |
| 22:28.58 | tlp | oh. |
| 22:29.00 | tlp | that's what I meant |
| 22:29.07 | egaudet_work | now I'm unconfused |
| 22:29.09 | egaudet_work | lol |
| 22:29.11 | tlp | so metadoctor will work with a Pre in this state? |
| 22:29.24 | egaudet_work | yea you don't need to touch anything, but I'm sure you can boot from bootie |
| 22:29.40 | tlp | when I boot I get the English/Espanol screen |
| 22:29.46 | egaudet_work | not with bypass activation |
| 22:29.51 | tlp | ah |
| 22:30.00 | tlp | I take it MetaDoctor is a Windows tool |
| 22:30.06 | egaudet_work | no |
| 22:30.10 | tlp | ! |
| 22:30.11 | tlp | awesome |
| 22:30.21 | egaudet_work | it's makefiles to unpack, patch and pack the doctor |
| 22:30.24 | egaudet_work | ubuntu |
| 22:30.35 | egaudet_work | is the "supported" OS to build it |
| 22:30.40 | iSmite | egaudet when you get a free minute, my alarm on the pre don't go off lol..not for 4 days now, i see other people have the same issue on precentral, dw its not hugely urgent or anything just wondered if you knew a fix, brb |
| 22:30.52 | tlp | That just so happens to be the OS I use :p |
| 22:31.22 | tlp | cool, thanks for the help egaudet |
| 22:31.30 | tlp | going to doctor my TEP phone first |
| 22:31.31 | egaudet_work | I've never used or looked at anything with the alarms, sorry iSmite no idea |
| 22:31.49 | iSmite | i just set my alarm for 8am..and it doesnt go off lol |
| 22:31.58 | egaudet_work | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor |
| 22:32.20 | tlp | this thing is a refurb, but it's in better shape than my brand new Pre was out the door. No slider issues. |
| 22:32.32 | iSmite | huh my slider has killed the back mirror |
| 22:32.35 | iSmite | im narked about that |
| 22:32.41 | iSmite | takes money off when i resell it |
| 22:32.56 | iSmite | had it a week and the mirrors scratched to f |
| 22:32.58 | tlp | Don't feel too bad. It seems that Pres by and large have terrible build quality |
| 22:33.07 | jacques | ] is bootie I was just using it this morning |
| 22:33.13 | iSmite | for £250 i expect longer than a week |
| 22:33.15 | tlp | I hope they fixed it with the Plus models |
| 22:33.16 | iSmite | rofl |
| 22:34.00 | iSmite | 2 massive scratches the length of the mirror every time i slide it so now i dont slide it |
| 22:34.13 | iSmite | or it will go right down through the mirror to the black stuff underneath |
| 22:34.41 | iSmite | crappy plastic mirror anyway |
| 22:34.45 | iSmite | like tin foil |
| 22:34.49 | iSmite | cheap and nasty |
| 22:35.33 | jacques | that's what he said |
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| 22:36.56 | sugardave | my god, what do you people do to your phones? Mine is in almost pristine condition still |
| 22:37.00 | egaudet_work | heading home, bbl |
| 22:37.19 | FreeTim | sugardave: mine is too, and I got the first week of release and use it constantly... it's perfect |
| 22:37.34 | sugardave | FreeTim: it's like we're the same people |
| 22:37.36 | sugardave | only not |
| 22:37.41 | jacques | I think mine is starting to scratch one side of the mirror |
| 22:37.50 | FreeTim | You're more kinda sugary, I'm free-er |
| 22:38.06 | sugardave | heh |
| 22:38.09 | FreeTim | whatever that means :) |
| 22:38.16 | jacques | one's more tim-ery the other's more dave-ey |
| 22:38.28 | FreeTim | that's much better. Thanks Jacques |
| 22:38.41 | iSmite | my iphone which i had for 2 ys is pristine, well was when i sold it, the first day i got this pre the slider mechanism wrecked the mirror. i take care of my phones as i resell them, i put a screencover and seidio case on it. if you google palm pre mirror scratches you will see othe rpeople with same issue |
| 22:39.07 | sugardave | oh man, maybe it's the protectors...I don't have one of those, either |
| 22:39.15 | tlp | eh |
| 22:39.20 | tlp | sugardave: You lucked out. |
| 22:39.24 | jacques | iSmite: I think some of the slider mechanisms are really badly made |
| 22:39.31 | tlp | I babied my Pre and it still developed slider issues, button issues, door issues |
| 22:39.39 | sugardave | lame :( |
| 22:39.44 | jacques | mine's been kinda iffy since the day I got it |
| 22:39.48 | iSmite | yeah, bad build |
| 22:39.54 | tlp | the refurb I have seems to be much better |
| 22:39.56 | tlp | so we'll see |
| 22:40.00 | iSmite | for that kind of money that is completely unacceptable tbh |
| 22:40.00 | tlp | I won't know for another 6 months |
| 22:40.12 | xenoph0be | mine has been solid enough for the daily use it has gotten in the last 2 months |
| 22:40.22 | xenoph0be | im a newer pre convert |
| 22:40.23 | iSmite | and mine isnt on official so i can't return it i got it from the swap store brand new boxed |
| 22:40.23 | xenoph0be | :D |
| 22:40.35 | tlp | do you have TEP? |
| 22:40.41 | tlp | assuming you are on Sprint |
| 22:40.46 | iSmite | im not going on a stupid contract for any phone never have never will |
| 22:40.51 | iSmite | no im in uk |
| 22:40.52 | iSmite | ] |
| 22:40.54 | tlp | ah |
| 22:41.07 | iSmite | prepay you can only get it contract here |
| 22:41.38 | iSmite | rip off |
| 22:41.38 | xenoph0be | i've never had tep on a phone... never had need for it. I washed my Samsung a900 in the laundry once and sprint sent me a refurb anyway |
| 22:41.46 | iSmite | with my sim i get unlimited data, 3g etc |
| 22:41.55 | iSmite | i only top up £10 a month |
| 22:41.56 | iSmite | lolll |
| 22:42.03 | iSmite | they want £35 a month for contract |
| 22:42.06 | iSmite | i think not |
| 22:42.54 | iSmite | my first iphone was brand new unactivated i unlocked it the day i got it lol |
| 22:43.03 | iSmite | as soon as the unlock came out |
| 22:44.06 | iSmite | oh yeah question, do you know if 1.4 will bring yahoo officially to europe |
| 22:44.15 | iSmite | cos atm its america |
| 22:44.33 | iSmite | the patch has broken lots of stuff that i have to use to enable it |
| 22:44.47 | rwhitby | tlp: use any webos doctor, meta or not, then novaterm into the device around 50%, and dd from /dev/zero to the /media/internal partition in flash |
| 22:44.57 | rwhitby | no need for screen access |
| 22:46.39 | jacques | I guess bootie cannot erase flash ? |
| 22:46.47 | jacques | some bootloaders can |
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| 22:48.22 | xorg | q about cron... |
| 22:48.43 | iSmite | n00b question. with an iphone if you restore its pretty much back to factory, icons/their equivalent of patches go. whats the most complete 'restore to factory' that you can do on a pre? |
| 22:48.44 | xorg | there are still issues that cron doesn't run jobs when phone is asleep... if charging asleep, they run. |
| 22:49.06 | xorg | has been issue since 1.3.5 apparently |
| 22:49.34 | tlp | rwhitby: I'll try that instead, thanks. Will WebOS Doctor restore the /media/internal partition if it's been nuked with dd? |
| 22:49.45 | tlp | jacques: I was hoping it could. |
| 22:50.17 | xorg | any ideas on keeping cron alive during sleep? |
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| 22:51.35 | schulman | Does anyone know if the accelerometer turning off when the screen dims is expected behavior? |
| 22:51.49 | schulman | or, how hidd works? |
| 22:52.47 | jacques | I wonder if bootie has an "advanced" mode |
| 22:53.07 | jacques | or any hidden commands |
| 22:53.29 | rwhitby | tlp: yes, another doctor will rebuild the paritition |
| 22:53.50 | schulman | As in, does anyone know how the screen's behavior is tied to the accelerometer's behavior |
| 22:53.53 | rwhitby | iSmite: full erase followed by webos doctor |
| 22:54.02 | jacques | schulman: I think everything we know about hidd is http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Hidd |
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| 22:54.28 | rwhitby | jacques: there is an engineering version of bootie, and a released version (which has a number of commands disabled) |
| 22:54.35 | schulman | jacques: yeah I should observe it in debug mode |
| 22:54.39 | jacques | rwhitby: awww |
| 22:55.03 | jacques | schulman: I've noticed lunasysmgr does things when the screen brightness changes |
| 22:55.17 | jacques | seemingly unrelated things ... |
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| 22:55.55 | jacques | rwhitby: where can I get the engineering version? |
| 22:56.05 | schulman | yeah the touch panel certainly goes to sleep when the screen dims |
| 22:57.45 | jacques | lunasysmgr can be annoyingly controlling - for example it clocks the CPU to 600MHz when it launches a SDL card. what if I don't want it to do that? |
| 22:58.10 | schulman | hi |
| 22:58.11 | schulman | hu |
| 22:58.14 | schulman | you know what |
| 22:58.21 | schulman | I am just going to get rid of lunasysmgr |
| 22:58.21 | schulman | haha |
| 22:58.33 | jacques | good idea |
| 22:58.36 | jacques | goes to delete it |
| 22:58.43 | schulman | nah |
| 22:58.44 | iSmite | thanks |
| 22:58.47 | schulman | for the experiment I am diong |
| 22:58.48 | schulman | doing |
| 22:58.54 | schulman | I do not need the gui anyway |
| 22:58.58 | jacques | you can stop it |
| 22:59.04 | schulman | yeah I am going to try it |
| 22:59.08 | iSmite | ive had this same song on repeat for 3 hour now hmm. |
| 22:59.32 | schulman | oh blah, then I can not send any of the messages to do the wakeup stuff unless I talk directly to powerd |
| 23:00.12 | jacques | I forgot how to stop it - some upstart cmd ... |
| 23:00.16 | rwhitby | jacques: you cannot get the engineering version |
| 23:00.27 | jacques | rwhitby: I figured as much |
| 23:00.28 | iSmite | ok my alarm just went off first time in 4 days. except its 11pm not 8 am. |
| 23:00.33 | rwhitby | jacques: we only know about it from verbal references to it |
| 23:01.17 | FuMan | heh, whats this new hidd thing everyone is talking about |
| 23:01.17 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 23:01.48 | jacques | FuMan: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Hidd |
| 23:01.59 | FuMan | yeah, I read that |
| 23:02.00 | xenoph0be | Human Interface Device daemon? |
| 23:02.05 | FuMan | what does it do |
| 23:02.47 | jacques | you read the page and still don't know what it does? |
| 23:04.18 | jacques | I guess you could think of it as a service to provide input events to the system |
| 23:04.39 | xenoph0be | so its a "Human Interface Device Daemon" |
| 23:04.41 | xenoph0be | :D |
| 23:04.41 | jacques | events from touchscreen, keyboard, accel, proximity sensor |
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| 23:06.16 | CorpX | does touchstone not work if connected to usb? |
| 23:06.24 | schulman | no |
| 23:06.34 | schulman | not enough power |
| 23:06.43 | schulman | or yes |
| 23:06.47 | jacques | CorpX: correct |
| 23:06.58 | schulman | whatever means no |
| 23:07.12 | CorpX | ill be damned |
| 23:07.13 | CorpX | :( |
| 23:07.14 | jacques | apparently there used to be a bluez thing called hidd but it's not the same thing (?) |
| 23:07.32 | destinal | jacques: right, totally different |
| 23:08.38 | schulman | I always thought the bluetooth hidd was a stupid name |
| 23:08.44 | CorpX | god damn it i have a plastic covering case and the touchstone is not working well with it |
| 23:09.16 | schulman | it should be like blue_hidd |
| 23:09.38 | destinal | jacques: scale is 16 days from now? so we have a definitely goal / timeline |
| 23:10.35 | jacques | destinal: yep |
| 23:12.10 | destinal | jacques: so what's your use case? you have a multitouch tablet and you want to do multitouch in the emulator or remotely control a pre sitting on a touchstone or something? |
| 23:13.09 | destinal | jacques: what kinds of things will you be demoing? |
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| 23:13.36 | destinal | or just webos generally? |
| 23:15.29 | schulman | what is scale? |
| 23:16.57 | gkatsev | south california linux expo |
| 23:17.02 | schulman | oh I see |
| 23:17.30 | schulman | I am an east cost guy, probably should have heard of that at least though |
| 23:17.58 | gkatsev | lol |
| 23:17.59 | PuffTheMagic | expo's |
| 23:18.00 | PuffTheMagic | ha |
| 23:18.10 | PuffTheMagic | linux expo |
| 23:18.11 | PuffTheMagic | ha |
| 23:18.32 | PuffTheMagic | what could possibly happen at a linux expo |
| 23:19.07 | rwhitby | heh, nothing like an open mind ... |
| 23:19.28 | tlp | rwhitby: Does /media/internal get mounted at some point during the doctor process? I don't see an /etc/fstab |
| 23:19.45 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: im trying to think |
| 23:19.45 | rwhitby | tlp: it does not - you will need to manually mount it from the flash partition |
| 23:19.53 | PuffTheMagic | but nothing is coming to me |
| 23:19.56 | tlp | ok. Do you happen to know the device name? |
| 23:20.10 | tlp | I forget what they even begin with |
| 23:20.17 | PuffTheMagic | benchmark filesysterms and opengl performance :D |
| 23:20.22 | rwhitby | tlp: nope, and lvm will need to be running first too - we have details of that on the last resort recovery page I think - destinal put it there |
| 23:20.57 | rwhitby | destinal: tlp is logged into a pre during a doctor, and wants to wipe /media/internal with no screen access |
| 23:20.59 | tlp | figured it out |
| 23:21.07 | tlp | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.24 | tlp | so just dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mapper/store-media eh? |
| 23:21.25 | rwhitby | dd /dev/zero over that should do it |
| 23:21.28 | tlp | ok |
| 23:21.37 | destinal | rwhitby: yeah, I .. oh, hey, you got it :) |
| 23:21.46 | tlp | btw, are there any plans to distribute Preware via Palm's alternative distribution method? |
| 23:21.59 | rwhitby | tlp: alternate distribution has the same content rules as catalog |
| 23:22.03 | tlp | ah |
| 23:22.46 | rwhitby | so, has anyone worked on a privacy patch? |
| 23:23.50 | dBsooner | rwhitby: I want my way to pw protect pictures first. |
| 23:24.06 | rwhitby | dBsooner: just use cryptofs |
| 23:24.24 | rwhitby | and have a service to mount and unmount, with webOS UI to give the password. |
| 23:24.57 | tlp | is cryptofs fuse? |
| 23:25.01 | rwhitby | yep |
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| 23:25.23 | tlp | I wonder what happens if the doctor finishes before dd |
| 23:25.36 | tlp | 8GB is a lot to overwrite |
| 23:25.38 | jacques | destinal: sorry was booking my flight :-) |
| 23:25.48 | rwhitby | tlp: doctor (trenchcoat actually) will try and unmount and fail, and stop there. |
| 23:26.01 | rwhitby | you'll still be logged in |
| 23:26.05 | tlp | ah, excellent |
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| 23:26.22 | tlp | I have no idea who's going to be poking around this device at the insurance company, so I want to make sure it's all clean first |
| 23:26.30 | jacques | destinal: my immediate use case is to demo webos / apps running in an emulator on a tablet PC at the booth |
| 23:26.58 | jacques | destinal: emphasis on demoing webos-internals apps (like preware) |
| 23:28.04 | jacques | and the ease with which webos can be live patched |
| 23:28.16 | rwhitby | so /var/context/contextfile is interesting |
| 23:29.03 | destinal | tlp: oh, you didn't novacom boot the recovery image, you novacom'd into a doctor! interesting... |
| 23:29.14 | destinal | which is of course the recovery image but already being driven |
| 23:29.20 | tlp | yep, that was rwhitby's suggestion |
| 23:29.25 | rwhitby | destinal: yeah, much easier if you don't care what happens to the pre |
| 23:29.30 | tlp | I was cvery confused by bootie initially |
| 23:29.47 | destinal | tlp: well you can just novacom boot as in the recovery article I wrote |
| 23:29.51 | tlp | and confused egaudet in the process |
| 23:29.58 | jacques | rwhitby: argh the context log has everything I've run on my pre and when and for how long |
| 23:29.58 | tlp | ah, cool. I'll dig that article up |
| 23:30.09 | rwhitby | jacques: yep |
| 23:30.12 | destinal | but yeah doctor makes it really easy if you don't mind a race :) |
| 23:30.21 | rwhitby | jacques: and I think it is uploaded to Palm daily |
| 23:30.34 | egaudet | destinal, can you boot from bootie bypassing activation? |
| 23:30.52 | destinal | egaudet: sure, you could touch first use from there |
| 23:30.55 | destinal | then reboot it |
| 23:31.06 | egaudet | you can touch first use from bootie? |
| 23:31.17 | tlp | I have no idea how to use bootie if that's possible. |
| 23:31.27 | jacques | rwhitby: that wouldn't surprise me from some activity I've observed |
| 23:31.30 | destinal | well you'd boot the recovery image and novaterm in |
| 23:31.39 | tlp | the recovery image is stored on device? |
| 23:31.42 | rwhitby | egaudet: you can touch first use from novacom'd into a doctor session |
| 23:31.49 | rwhitby | egaudet: that's documented on the recovery page |
| 23:31.50 | jacques | rwhitby: I guess better palm than Sprint :-D |
| 23:32.01 | tlp | is that all metadoctor does? |
| 23:32.04 | tlp | touch a file? |
| 23:32.13 | destinal | egaudet: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery |
| 23:32.33 | rwhitby | tlp: for 1 of the 8 features of meta-doctor, yes. |
| 23:32.47 | tlp | haha, it just booted me out of novaterm rwhitby |
| 23:32.50 | rwhitby | that file determines whether first-use is run modal or not |
| 23:32.57 | destinal | nova-installer-image-castle.uImage is useful for all kinds of things, it doesn't actually install anything, it's just an environment designed to allow doctor to novacom in and install things |
| 23:32.59 | tlp | dd still in progress |
| 23:33.02 | tlp | my Pre reset |
| 23:33.07 | destinal | tlp: yeah it'll tellbootie restart |
| 23:33.13 | destinal | and your session will go away |
| 23:33.16 | rwhitby | tlp: oh, I assumed you were cd'd into a mounted dir |
| 23:33.34 | rwhitby | if the unmount fails, then it stops there |
| 23:33.38 | destinal | ah |
| 23:33.43 | rwhitby | if a md5sum verification fails, it also stops |
| 23:34.16 | tlp | ah, I see |
| 23:34.16 | destinal | egaudet: we could easily make a bypass first use tool that required you be in recovery mode |
| 23:34.20 | tlp | I'll go ahead and use destinal's trick |
| 23:34.46 | rwhitby | tlp: for an experienced user like yourself, yeah. |
| 23:34.54 | destinal | egaudet: it would novacom boot the installer image, then activate lvm volumes and mount the correct one and touch the file |
| 23:35.04 | destinal | tlp: you can skip the first part about omap3 boot |
| 23:35.10 | rwhitby | destinal: except you can distribute the installer image |
| 23:35.19 | rwhitby | s/can/can't/ |
| 23:35.34 | rwhitby | so it requires a doctor download anyway |
| 23:35.47 | destinal | rwhitby: unless we included an image of our own |
| 23:35.51 | jacques | hmm, rwhitby says you can and infobot says you can't - who to believe? ;-) |
| 23:35.56 | destinal | rwhitby: go open source |
| 23:36.14 | rwhitby | destinal: as soon as we have a working kernel, yes. |
| 23:36.24 | destinal | rwhitby: we have working kernels AFAIK |
| 23:36.24 | jacques | we don't have a working kernel? |
| 23:36.29 | jacques | I thought we did |
| 23:36.41 | jacques | for some definition of "working" |
| 23:36.53 | destinal | a few different people have been building and booting linux |
| 23:37.10 | rwhitby | "if it aint on the wiki, it don't exist." |
| 23:37.17 | Kyusaku | lol |
| 23:37.22 | jacques | I thought it was .... |
| 23:37.31 | destinal | rwhitby: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels |
| 23:37.48 | jacques | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels |
| 23:38.06 | rwhitby | well, we should put that into the autobuilder then |
| 23:38.30 | rwhitby | make it an executable makefile rather than a wiki page. |
| 23:38.33 | destinal | rwhitby: it would be good to do a full recovery image in autobuilder too |
| 23:38.43 | destinal | just because |
| 23:38.50 | tlp | destinal: This thing is still showing the USB screen. |
| 23:38.54 | tlp | or whatever it is |
| 23:39.23 | tlp | I guess it might take longer than 15 seconds to send this image or something? |
| 23:39.55 | tlp | or do I need to 'boot' via novaterm? |
| 23:40.45 | VincentLaw | it only took 4 posts before someone didn't read my patch thread and asked for me to make my patch remove /all/ pandora ads. |
| 23:40.47 | VincentLaw | cries |
| 23:41.43 | rwhitby | hmm - time to work on preware automatically reinstalling services after a doctor |
| 23:42.07 | rwhitby | reinstalling openssh sftp server sucks |
| 23:42.17 | tlp | haha |
| 23:42.25 | tlp | yeah, I had to do all of that recently |
| 23:42.33 | xenoph0be | VincentLaw: funny how people dont read... annoying actually |
| 23:42.37 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: we do need to get a system working for building kernel modules |
| 23:42.46 | PuffTheMagic | i would like to get tun/tap module in preware |
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| 23:42.48 | PuffTheMagic | for vpn |
| 23:42.57 | schulman | yeah that would be nice |
| 23:43.07 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: sure, no reason why it couldn't be done on the current build.git |
| 23:43.19 | rwhitby | it's just the same as compiling termplugin |
| 23:43.24 | schulman | is tun/tap ported? |
| 23:43.33 | PuffTheMagic | schulman: ported? |
| 23:43.35 | schulman | if it needed any porting? |
| 23:43.42 | PuffTheMagic | schulman: its a kernel module |
| 23:43.45 | PuffTheMagic | no porting |
| 23:43.47 | schulman | right |
| 23:43.48 | PuffTheMagic | just build it |
| 23:43.50 | rwhitby | BTW, openvpn works fine as-is on a stock Pre kernel |
| 23:43.51 | schulman | I mean, did someone compile it |
| 23:43.52 | schulman | and it works |
| 23:44.03 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: i want to use vpnc |
| 23:44.09 | rwhitby | ok |
| 23:44.27 | schulman | oh I see, if we are talking about vpn stuff I would guess someone was able to compile tun/tap |
| 23:45.00 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: yeah i know it could be done, we just need to get a linux-headers package in there for kmods to link against and i possible kernel dir with the right config in place with 'make modules_prepare' run |
| 23:45.14 | PuffTheMagic | schulman: i have built the kernel before |
| 23:45.16 | PuffTheMagic | and kernel modules |
| 23:45.19 | PuffTheMagic | tun/tap should build fine |
| 23:45.28 | tlp | destinal: oops, nevermind. I missed the < |
| 23:46.03 | Kyusaku | yeah I could use vpnc |
| 23:46.42 | Kyusaku | I'd gladly test any vpnc stuff if necessary~ |
| 23:46.46 | Kyusaku | :) |
| 23:57.01 | keenah | hi! does anyone know how do i turn off the automatic turning on & off of the airplane mode? for some reason i installed a patch that did this but i cant remember how to get to the setting other than the one on the main menu (which doesnt have settings for the mode, just turns it on|off). i tried to find the patch but couldnt. i even wiped off all patches (for a different reason) but that is... |
| 23:57.03 | keenah | ...still coming up automatically. any ideas? thx!! ;) |
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| 23:59.36 | destinal | tlp: sorry I got pulled away |
| 23:59.50 | destinal | tlp: did you get everything going then? |
