| 00:00.03 | rwhitby | Preware 0.9.20 with german support is now in the testing feed. |
| 00:00.18 | jacques | jumprope 1, 2, and extreme |
| 00:00.47 | debilater | jacques: ah cool |
| 00:01.13 | rwhitby | debilater: so an org.webosinternals.stella repo? |
| 00:01.30 | debilater | rwhitby: I'd say, yes |
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| 00:02.10 | debilater | rwhitby: but I'm unsure about the name, noone will associate "stella" with atari or something... |
| 00:03.05 | rwhitby | debilater: no-one see's the package name. The Title will be "Stella Atari 2600 VCS Emulator" or something |
| 00:03.21 | debilater | rwhitby: ah, ok then :) |
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| 00:04.11 | rwhitby | debilater: games/stella is ready for you |
| 00:05.40 | debilater | rwhitby: ah great, thx |
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| 00:09.13 | rwhitby | Can I have two testers for Preware 0.9.20 in the testing feed please? |
| 00:09.46 | debilater | rwhitby: yes mommpls |
| 00:11.08 | debilater | rwhitby: I don't see the testing feed, how was it, add it manually? |
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| 00:16.19 | jacques | doesn't read German. |
| 00:19.14 | debilater | updating to preware testing ... |
| 00:19.37 | debilater | rwhitby: ok talks german to me now |
| 00:20.12 | debilater | rwhitby: it still says "Downloading ..... " (on start up) |
| 00:20.50 | debilater | rwhitby: I don't see umlauts there is a blanc square instead |
| 00:21.26 | jacques | rwhitby: I installed Preware 0.9.20 and it seems fine FWIW |
| 00:21.34 | debilater | rwhitby: the title is funny :) (and wrong grammatically) |
| 00:21.58 | sslow | rwhitby: im 0.9.20, what do you need |
| 00:22.12 | debilater | rwhitby: I'd set the subtitle to "Der universelle Paketmanager" - sounds much better |
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| 00:22.33 | debilater | sslow: he wants to see german language support |
| 00:22.55 | debilater | rwhitby: app categories are still english |
| 00:23.13 | debilater | rwhitby: feeds and types button on the bottom too |
| 00:23.22 | rwhitby | debilater: yep, baby steps :-) |
| 00:23.47 | sslow | ok im on sprint so i guess 0.9.20 will do anything different for me then |
| 00:24.00 | debilater | rwhitby: ah ok I thought it's ready |
| 00:24.03 | rwhitby | sslow: nope, as long as it runs for you I'm happy |
| 00:24.15 | sslow | works fine for me |
| 00:24.23 | rwhitby | debilater: well, it's as ready as the existing German translator has made it :-) |
| 00:24.35 | rwhitby | debilater: if you want to help out of that I would be very pleased. |
| 00:24.54 | debilater | rwhitby: I think it would be good to use good old entities for umlauts, e.g. /uuml; for ue |
| 00:25.37 | debilater | rwhitby: ok, is there a localization file or something? |
| 00:25.40 | rwhitby | debilater: I'm going to release this as-is (cause it's broken for French people at the moment), and then we will improve from there. |
| 00:26.21 | debilater | rwhitby: some settings buttons are wrong placed because the german caption is too large |
| 00:26.54 | rwhitby | debilater: so I should remove german support from this release or not? |
| 00:26.58 | debilater | rwhitby: however it works |
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| 00:28.11 | debilater | rwhitby: looks a little bit like beta or something, wait a moment |
| 00:28.35 | rwhitby | debilater: ok |
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| 00:29.39 | jacques | is anyone working on a klingon translation? |
| 00:29.54 | rwhitby | jacques: someone has volunteered, but webOS won't load it |
| 00:30.06 | jacques | :-( |
| 00:30.11 | debilater | rwhitby: main screen: http://www.23hq.com/4937375/5353046_1b208858a4ed6a1f6c38c1eb67b33cd7_large.jpg |
| 00:30.21 | debilater | rwhitby: settings: http://www.23hq.com/4937325/5353047_06a928586df62d9088ea697d2f20bf62_large.jpg |
| 00:30.25 | jacques | what does that mean "won't load it" ? |
| 00:30.35 | jacques | do we need to add fonts? |
| 00:30.48 | debilater | jacques: you can only choose of the language which webos offers |
| 00:31.14 | jacques | debilater: oh, .. bummer :-( |
| 00:31.34 | debilater | jacques: but you could write a klingon app of course *g* |
| 00:32.53 | rwhitby | debilater: new 0.9.20 version in testing feed, can you confirm it removes german support? |
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| 00:33.09 | rwhitby | and anyone else who installed 0.9.20, please reinstall it now |
| 00:33.54 | rwhitby | debilater: in applications/preware.git, git mv nonworking/de to resources/de and then please adjust strings to make it good enough to 0.9.21 |
| 00:34.31 | debilater | rwhitby: there is no update available |
| 00:35.09 | debilater | rwhitby: ok, is it ok if I do this tomorrow? it's really late already |
| 00:35.31 | rwhitby | debilater: you need to use the bootstrap script to reinstall it |
| 00:35.48 | rwhitby | debilater: sure, I'll release 0.9.20 now, and we can work on 0.9.21 with german support tomorrow. |
| 00:36.00 | debilater | rwhitby: rwhitby ok |
| 00:36.17 | debilater | damn timezones |
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| 00:39.27 | debilater | ok, bye bye going to sleep... |
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| 00:52.05 | jmr157 | anyone have problems with preware since updating? |
| 00:53.12 | rwhitby | jmr157: what problems? |
| 00:53.20 | rwhitby | and updating to which version? |
| 00:54.01 | rwhitby | jmr157: if your Pre is running French, update to 0.9.20 |
| 00:55.33 | jmr157 | did the update this morning to 0.19.19, I think, from Preware, and then when I tried to reconnect this evening nothing. |
| 00:55.41 | jmr157 | rebooted several times |
| 00:55.59 | rwhitby | what language is your Pre set to? |
| 00:56.08 | jmr157 | english |
| 00:56.44 | KEYofR | is there any use for mvapp any more? I mean, aside from it's main use I used to use it to update preware and terminal because for preware & packamanger service it offered to do the devel versions. "mvapp upw" was the most convenient way I knew to get that. But I see in the script it's using "ipkg -o /var" is that still recommended? |
| 00:58.05 | rwhitby | KEYofR: using -o /var will break things. |
| 00:58.16 | KEYofR | And what file can I edit to add repos to preware? |
| 00:58.24 | rwhitby | ~testing-feed |
| 00:58.25 | infobot | from memory, testing-feed is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
| 00:58.28 | KEYofR | rwhitby, yeah I thought so |
| 00:58.47 | rwhitby | jmr157: no idea. what does /var/log/messages say when you start Preware? |
| 00:59.20 | jmr157 | let me replicate, brb |
| 00:59.45 | keenah | (so sorry for the long one!) im desperate for help; some troubleshooting help?? plz?? im tired of dealing with the "tech palm pre experts" that dont know anything about anything and like pretend they do until they have wasted ur time long enough to finally tell u that "theres no solution" only cuz they dont know it. ---(btw, anyone agree with me on this or is this only my experience)---... |
| 00:59.47 | keenah | ...im sure there must be a pretty simple answer|solution for this but im definitely a complete beginner on this and i have no idea of what to do so i assumed that maybe here one of u guys geniuses might b able to help me in no time. if anyone would like to give me hand i'd really appreciate it greatly. let me know so u can explain what the problem or question is? PLEASE?? |
| 01:00.30 | sslow | rwhitby: do you know if the "tweaks" in Wosqi are Aupt or not. |
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| 01:00.50 | rwhitby | ~smart-questions |
| 01:00.51 | infobot | i guess smart-questions is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 01:01.06 | rwhitby | keenah: read that, and then start again stating the question first this time. |
| 01:02.08 | rwhitby | sslow: it seems that some use webos-patches feed and some do not, and the ones that do not might actually be AUPT as well. Since it's closed source, we have no legitimate way of knowing. |
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| 01:02.39 | sslow | rwhitby: thanks |
| 01:02.44 | rwhitby | sslow: Jason says WOSQI 3.0 is AUPT compatible, so I'd assume it is until proven otherwise. |
| 01:03.58 | rwhitby | jmr157: both 0.9.19 and 0.9.20 are working fine here on English. 0.9.19 was broken on French, but 0.9.20 fixes that. |
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| 01:05.47 | jmr157 | geesh, now it works, thanks |
| 01:06.28 | keenah | rwhitby: sure ;) sorry about that... - why does my phone suddenly lost network connectivity? how do i get it back? it says 'phone offline' (at top left) & cant perform any tasks like make calls or send txts, etc. why or how would somethin like that happen out of the sudden? ive tried a few things but none have worked. do u know how to make it right? thx a lot! |
| 01:11.25 | rwhitby | keenah: that will happen when a java restart happens. |
| 01:12.00 | rwhitby | Look in /var/log/messages for activity that happens around that time, and then post the contents of /var/log/messages to webos.pastebin.com and then tell us the URL it gives you. |
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| 01:15.38 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 01:16.47 | keenah | rwhitby: thx! but, i am seriously very, VERY new at this & that, what u just wrote, is a completely different language for me. im soooooo sorry, really =( could u, plz? english plz? what is that? sorry, but may i ask u, how do i even get there? |
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| 01:19.38 | KEYofR | keenah what were you doing before the network went off? what were these mysterious "tried several things? what things? What happened when you rebooted your phone? |
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| 01:20.46 | sslow | and what version are you running |
| 01:21.07 | sslow | pre,pixi + |
| 01:21.10 | sslow | ? |
| 01:24.25 | sslow | dbsooner: ping |
| 01:25.01 | sslow | dbsooner: nvmd i got it |
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| 01:45.17 | keenah | rwhitby: thx! i was trying not to write another long one, but oh well... |
| 01:45.18 | keenah | that i remember it just happened suddenly, at that very moment i was in the middle of texting a message a key got stuck, typed like 5 messages long the same character & didnt respond to any thing i was trying like stopping it or opening any other app i just tried clicking everywhere just to make it stop nut nothing did so i tried rebooting (orange key|Sym|R). then it didnt respond to the... |
| 01:45.19 | keenah | ...reboot, it was just the Palm logo in the middle; after blinking it just stayed there so i tried to turn off the phone, & didnt work either, so i tried removing the battery. the battery started to wear off pretty quickly so i turned it off it didnt want to respond to the on button either so i tried turning it off (on|off button) & it worked fine, but when i tried to turn it on & it didnt... |
| 01:45.21 | keenah | ...respond either so i plucked out the battery again & it came up fine but with the phone offline thing. now i can only make it work by taking the battery put. the only other thing ive been doing has been tweaking it with the preware after i changed it to the auto update one (cant remember the acronym). does this help? |
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| 02:03.02 | DrFunk | anyone try flash yet ? |
| 02:05.13 | keenah | rwhitby: u still around? not rushing, just checking just in case... i'll wait for when ur ready |
| 02:11.09 | DrFunk | guess not lol |
| 02:14.27 | sslow | DrFunk: you know something we dont? |
| 02:14.35 | jacques | lol |
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| 02:19.51 | KEYofR | keenah, way too random. Go to the nearest sprint store and have them fix it, which may mean a wipe & reinstall. You will not be able to diagnose a mystery like that without you knowing more about how the phone works and how to use linux. |
| 02:21.48 | KEYofR | You can learn all that stuff but not in 2 seconds. |
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| 02:35.03 | KEYofR | Whoa am I reading this right? I'm poking around in /var log and there seems to be something phoning home, uploading tars of various log files somewhere, log files including syslog. |
| 02:36.44 | keenah | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.49 | JackieRipper | KEYofR: you are most likely reading that right |
| 02:38.02 | keenah | OR anyone could tell me where i can find help i need if not here? |
| 02:38.44 | rick-home | kenah, let me scrolll back |
| 02:39.13 | KEYofR | /var/log/rdxd/uploaded/rdxd_log_202.tgz , which contains dmesg, syslog, a manifest of all installed software, and /var/log/uploadd/upload-history.txt which shows a history of those files being uploaded but doesn't show where to. |
| 02:39.45 | rick-home | keenah let me see if I understand your situation. |
| 02:41.05 | rick-home | at this point, if you reboot after a battery out, the phone comes up normally, but does not connect to the network? |
| 02:41.16 | rick-home | keenah |
| 02:41.22 | raster | burrp |
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| 02:42.42 | keenah | KEYofR: thx but i dont need to go to the sprint store to do that. i can do that myself of having to deal with the "nicest people in the world that always want to help you" & without the aggravation. im honestly trying to avoid having to do that as much as possible. there must be a way to turn it on without having to use such drastic measures. |
| 02:43.20 | rick-home | keenah I'm not sure I understand what's happening tho. |
| 02:43.26 | keenah | rick-home: correct! thats exactly the problem! |
| 02:43.49 | rick-home | keenah how long have you allowed it to wait after a reboot battery out keenah |
| 02:43.56 | keenah | rick-home: u described it perfectly on ur previsous one |
| 02:43.57 | travisart25 | is there a site like preware for the palm pixie |
| 02:44.11 | rick-home | travisart25 preware is pre and pixi both |
| 02:44.23 | rick-home | (perhaps a poor choice of name but we didn't know when we came up with it) |
| 02:44.32 | rick-home | ((and webosware jjust sucks as a name) |
| 02:44.33 | travisart25 | okay thank you rick-home |
| 02:44.35 | keenah | rick-home: after it froze u mean |
| 02:44.58 | rick-home | keenah after it frose, and you batt outed and re booted and had no net, how long did you wait? |
| 02:45.13 | KEYofR | Well you were already told to look at syslog for clues. Since you don't know how to do that, what do you want? magic? we dont sell that here. |
| 02:45.44 | rick-home | KEYofR true, but not helpful. Give me a few minutes, I have fresh ears. |
| 02:45.50 | rick-home | keenah see PM |
| 02:45.58 | keenah | rick-home: well i didnt have to wait. when it came up it was like that, no connecivity or "phone offline" |
| 02:46.57 | KEYofR | heh see what I mean |
| 02:47.09 | rick-home | KEYofR I'll take it to private -- |
| 02:47.28 | rick-home | keenah see private message... |
| 02:48.12 | keenah | KEYofR: im sorry, im not sure what u imply by ur comment. if u dont want to help, simply ignore it, theres no need to be rude. thanks |
| 02:48.51 | KEYofR | theres no need for a lot of things, but they happen anyway |
| 02:48.55 | JackieRipper | KEYofR: check out /etc/rdxd.conf |
| 02:49.49 | JackieRipper | and of course you can turn it off by modifying/removing /etc/event.d/rdxd |
| 02:50.27 | JackieRipper | (not recommending that, just saying you *can*) |
| 02:51.07 | jacques | I think rwhitby was adding disabling uploadd et al to meta-doctor |
| 02:51.16 | KEYofR | Yeah... debating. I don't mind Palm having info they need to make the system better. It's just that theres no way to seperate that from info Sprint beleives is there business which I disagree with ;) |
| 02:51.40 | rick-home | which is why several people are working on a privacy patch |
| 02:51.46 | jacques | I wish I knew if it was only going to palm |
| 02:52.23 | JackieRipper | I recently overwrote /usr/bin/contextupload with /bin/true... no ill effects as of yet |
| 02:57.00 | KEYofR | This stuff should really be toggeld on only after displaying some sort of summary and getting the users OK |
| 02:58.41 | KEYofR | It looks pretty ok to me now I see the conf file, just uploading crash dumps basically. Obviously, if there was a coredump, there was a problem, and so, generally if ever there was a time you wanted to upload lots of info, thats it. |
| 03:00.03 | KEYofR | But it still should have been ok'd, in fact, each upload should be ok'd individually unless the user specifically checks a checkbox to upload automatically from now on. |
| 03:01.30 | KEYofR | All that said, I'll leave it enabled. The system needs to get a lot better so all the help the better. |
| 03:02.56 | jacques | it's not just crash dumps |
| 03:03.13 | KEYofR | dumps and context |
| 03:03.17 | jacques | it's a log of all the apps which have run and when |
| 03:04.03 | JackieRipper | jacques: it's dumps and context, but only when there's a crash |
| 03:04.14 | VincentLaw | 500 people in #jquery and no one active >.> |
| 03:04.50 | sslow | i have a friend that has a pre+....I was going to help him out and i was wondering is it the same konami code for dev mode |
| 03:05.41 | KEYofR | I think the konami is no longer necessary. the simplified it at some point "webos20090606" |
| 03:05.52 | VincentLaw | sslow: should be the same |
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| 03:06.05 | sslow | thanks |
| 03:06.34 | xcomp | *yawn |
| 03:06.42 | xcomp | +in 9 |
| 03:06.54 | xcomp | *burp ... sorry |
| 03:06.57 | KEYofR | Enable dev mode on your Pre: |
| 03:06.57 | KEYofR | In Card view or in the Launcher application, type the following: webos20090606 |
| 03:06.57 | KEYofR | Tap the resulting Developer Mode Enabler icon. |
| 03:07.23 | KEYofR | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux |
| 03:07.39 | JackieRipper | as far as I know, the konami code also still works |
| 03:08.04 | sslow | i got that ive been hacking mine since launch.... i was wondering if the code was the same for the Pre Plus |
| 03:08.56 | sslow | JackieRipper: thanks |
| 03:09.01 | JackieRipper | sslow: I would assume so |
| 03:09.34 | sslow | i thought I read somewhere that the + was different |
| 03:09.41 | JackieRipper | if not, the new code is most likely found somewhere on Palm's site. It's a documented feature, after all. |
| 03:09.47 | sslow | i could be wrong though |
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| 03:14.39 | acydlord | the konami code is universal in the cosmos |
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| 03:19.50 | KEYofR | heh |
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| 03:25.51 | KEYofR | off to watch Amadeus (on Laserdisc!) |
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| 03:48.52 | travisart25 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:50.04 | travisart25 | what is wrong or what do i do? |
| 03:50.57 | rick-home | travisart25 is the webosdoctor jar in the same folder as the preware installer jar? |
| 03:51.14 | BoomerET | I just got my Pre yesterday, and all problems I've had like that are solved by rebooting my computer, the Pre or both. |
| 03:51.18 | travisart25 | i dont know.lol let me check |
| 03:51.20 | jacques | travisart25: you need to rename the file you downloaded to whatever the doctor wants |
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| 03:55.20 | travisart25 | im puttin em in the same folder right now |
| 03:56.54 | travisart25 | im having to download webos again |
| 04:00.42 | jacques | travisart25: when you said "preware installer.jar" above, did you mean WebOS Quick Install ? |
| 04:00.56 | rwhitby | jacques: no, stand-alone installer from get.preware.org |
| 04:02.33 | jacques | wow, I didn't know that existed |
| 04:03.30 | travisart25 | okay i have the both in the same folder....now what/ |
| 04:03.34 | travisart25 | ? |
| 04:05.36 | reality9110 | Anybody know how to get DNS back after restarting networking? |
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| 04:07.20 | travisart25 | now what do i do after they both are in the same folder?? |
| 04:10.15 | rwhitby | jacques: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=tools/ipkg-installer.git;a=summary |
| 04:11.28 | jacques | yay, an open source way of installing preware (not counting bootstrap( |
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| 04:19.49 | LoneStar99 | what does this mean: sets user mode +v: zinge may now speak if the room is moderate |
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| 04:24.48 | sampson | hey where are the memos stored on the pre |
| 04:24.56 | sampson | i need to get the time when one was created for a police report |
| 04:26.35 | rick-home | they're stored in a sqlite database |
| 04:26.44 | sampson | do they have a time stamp? |
| 04:26.59 | sampson | some drunk idiot hit my car last night |
| 04:27.16 | sampson | i had written his # down thinking he was trouble but didn't notice the scrape last night |
| 04:28.12 | Kyusaku | no clue, wiki doesn't say either |
| 04:28.21 | sampson | what's the db? |
| 04:29.07 | Kyusaku | I don't think it's in PalmDatabase.db3 but you could check |
| 04:32.01 | LoneStar99 | anyone ever messed with voice recognition on a mobile? |
| 04:32.24 | Kyusaku | hmmmm seems that memos are in that db according to ppl on the forum |
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| 05:03.59 | farms | evening all |
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| 05:23.17 | roto22 | Memos are in a table in PalmDatabase.db3, but I don't think it stores a timestamp |
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| 06:28.57 | LoneStar99 | anyone have know anything about voice recognition and linux based mobiles? |
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| 07:06.40 | rwhitby_ | Just updated preware to 0.9.19 an then it does not start anymore... Even after reboot. |
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| 07:12.58 | jacques | interesting nick you have |
| 07:13.56 | rwhitby_ | Sorry, I'm a guest |
| 07:14.47 | rwhitby_ | I think i've found an answer, thank you |
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| 07:19.57 | jhojho | anyone else running MHS notice a huge temperature jump? |
| 07:20.45 | jhojho | my pre is now up to 44C and was up to 55C earlier today. prety insane |
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| 07:33.01 | destinal | someone named themselves rwhitby_ ? |
| 07:33.39 | destinal | did they think they'd get more attention that way? |
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| 07:34.20 | destinal | jacques: ping |
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| 07:39.35 | jacques | destinal: pong |
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| 08:00.31 | rwhitby | destinal: I figure they thought the nickname on the freenode web interface was who you wanted to talk to |
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| 08:25.20 | jacques | well I have good news and bad news |
| 08:25.38 | jacques | and worse news |
| 08:26.12 | jacques | http://www.webos-internals.org/images/0/04/Xsdl_debug00.png |
| 08:27.38 | rwhitby | that looks fullscreen |
| 08:28.13 | jacques | that's the good news |
| 08:28.50 | jacques | I got that image by dumping the contents of the SDL surface to a PG |
| 08:29.01 | jacques | s/PG/PNG/ |
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| 08:29.21 | jacques | at the time, the screen was black :-| |
| 08:29.47 | jacques | this looks like a bug in palm's SDL implementation to me |
| 08:30.38 | jacques | the surface has the right bits in it, it just inexplicably goes black when fullscreened |
| 08:31.04 | jacques | you can watch i happen - as the minimized card zooms in to fullscreen, at the last instant it turns black |
| 08:31.40 | jacques | but the active SDL surface is still pointing to the same place in memory. AFAICT nothing has changed from the app's perspective |
| 08:33.08 | jacques | in related news, I am getting more of a handle on the input issues. for some reason scancode in the SDL keyboard event is always 0, but the keysym value is correct, so we can just use that |
| 08:33.43 | jacques | and the mouse events look right - they give the proper position on the screen. it's just a matter of getting the info to X |
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| 08:34.50 | geist | jacques: hmm, do we have a place to file bugs for this sort of thing? |
| 08:34.54 | geist | I dont know if the palm dev site does |
| 08:36.03 | rwhitby | jacques: official channel is developer.palm.com forums |
| 08:36.08 | jacques | geist: I would be happy to file a bug, but I don't know where. I figured as SDL is not officially supported yet, I would need to wait |
| 08:36.38 | jacques | tho if this is a real bug, palm might appreciate knowing about it sooner |
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| 08:37.25 | jacques | rwhitby: is it appropriate to discuss SDL there (as it's not yet "official") ? |
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| 08:37.42 | rwhitby | can't hurt. |
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| 08:38.11 | rwhitby | or just ping lemketron to pass it on to the right people ;-) |
| 08:38.21 | jacques | I'm trying to find this code in Palm's SDL patches - talking about blanking and unblanking the FB - it seemed relevant as it appeared to be connected to the minimize/maximize hooks |
| 08:38.44 | jacques | I wanted to try calling the unblank manually but it's a hidden symbol |
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| 08:41.08 | jacques | root@palm-webos-device:/usr/lib# arm-none-linux-gnueabi-objdump -t libSDL.so | grep -i blank |
| 08:41.12 | jacques | 00066764 l F .text 00000090 .hidden FB_Blank |
| 08:41.15 | jacques | 000667f4 l F .text 00000090 .hidden FB_Unblank |
| 08:41.36 | jacques | I feel those may be related from looking at the SDL patches |
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| 08:46.30 | geist | i was under the impression that the underlying implementation will swizzle the buffers around on you when you go full screen |
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| 08:46.37 | geist | to avoid an additional composite |
| 08:47.08 | destinal | geist: yup, that's exactly what I think happens. it's backed up by the fact that anything non-full-screen slows down dramatically |
| 08:47.39 | destinal | (if you don't pause as per the official PDK type apps) |
| 08:47.59 | jacques | geist: I suspect some sleight og buffer going on |
| 08:48.13 | jacques | of buffer |
| 08:48.32 | destinal | jacques: so what's different about X as compared to the other full screen SDL apps we have that DO work? |
| 08:48.41 | jacques | but I can't tell it from my instrumentation - SDL gives me the same pointers to the pixels in the surface |
| 08:48.58 | jacques | destinal: I have been wracking my brain on that one |
| 08:50.57 | destinal | jacques: so, what's most important for SCALE, do you think? the TUIO hidd stuff? (not sure I can have it done by then but I can try) or something else? |
| 08:51.55 | destinal | obviously X, but you're closer to that than I am |
| 08:52.15 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 08:52.38 | jacques | to be honest I dunno if ppl will be too excited about X, but I am currently obsessed with getting this working :-) |
| 08:53.03 | jacques | the hidd stuff would be actually useful, and useful for demoing I think |
| 08:54.00 | jacques | I am learning a lot about SDL / opengl tho |
| 08:54.08 | destinal | what's a good use case, you said you'll have a tablet, will you be running emulator on it or a native build? |
| 08:54.32 | jacques | I guess emulator |
| 08:54.48 | destinal | or if we could do remote video fast enough you could fully remote control a pre... |
| 08:54.53 | destinal | but I doubt that'll be ready in time |
| 08:55.08 | jacques | hmmmmmmmm |
| 08:55.42 | destinal | is the tablet multitouch? |
| 08:56.30 | jacques | unfortunately, no - it's an older model lenovo x61t - single touch and requires the wacom pen even |
| 08:56.56 | jacques | I want to buy a modern multitouch laptop sometime soon |
| 08:57.25 | destinal | ah. so what can we add beyond what the emulator can already do? let you remotely multitouch the emulator's screen with a pre or iphone? |
| 08:58.11 | destinal | or two mice :P |
| 08:59.13 | jacques | heh, I thought multi-pointer X had been delayed again |
| 08:59.37 | destinal | jacques: ah, well then you may need a windows laptop to be the TUIO source, not very convenient |
| 09:00.19 | jacques | destinal: we had come up with a cool thing to do, what was it ? my mind is blank |
| 09:00.32 | jacques | cool thing using hidd plugin I mean |
| 09:00.44 | destinal | jacques: there's always the logs. :) |
| 09:01.02 | jacques | yep true |
| 09:01.15 | destinal | we can make any kind of virtual hardware work on the emulator, in theory |
| 09:01.29 | destinal | but the emulator already has single touch touchscreen and a keyboard |
| 09:01.35 | destinal | so what other hardware would we want? |
| 09:01.54 | destinal | maybe accelerometer |
| 09:02.42 | destinal | or an external multitouch interface of some kind (you could use the pre for one, but again, why not just hand around your pre if that was the goal) |
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| 09:04.23 | jacques | handing around my pre is an anti-goal |
| 09:04.35 | destinal | you can use a TUIO input on the laptop and send input to the pre to use laptop as a virtual touch panel for a pre, but you still people to SEE the pre |
| 09:04.49 | destinal | it would also be single touch but that works for most things |
| 09:04.53 | jacques | hmm, I was supposed to email rick about trying to get demo hardware |
| 09:06.57 | destinal | anyway I have to get to bed but if you want to look back in the logs to see if we had something awesome in mind we've forgotten, or if you have any other great ideas for the use of such technology, let me know |
| 09:07.24 | jacques | destinal: will do (after 3am for me too) |
| 09:07.25 | destinal | I personally thing VNC would be cool |
| 09:07.32 | destinal | to VNC into a pre, I mean |
| 09:07.44 | jacques | yes same here - |
| 09:07.49 | destinal | but we need to be able to return video fast if we do that, maybe from the framebuffer directly |
| 09:08.08 | jacques | I had seen something done for early android phones which I think used the fbdev |
| 09:09.00 | jacques | I wonder if that would work with opengles apps |
| 09:09.02 | destinal | even if you don't do more than you would on the emulator natively on the tablet, it would still be a cool demo :) |
| 09:09.16 | destinal | and hey, that's a good question |
| 09:09.39 | jacques | remember when I was taking screenshots of the glues-demos and they were coming out black? |
| 09:10.02 | destinal | yeah, it may not provide read access |
| 09:10.34 | jacques | I found out it's tricky to get a screenshot of an OPENGL screen - you have to cal a GL_ReadPixels (?) command |
| 09:10.44 | destinal | ah |
| 09:11.01 | jacques | glReadPixels |
| 09:11.30 | jacques | then swap pixels around as it uses a different coordinate system |
| 09:11.38 | destinal | yeah, let me know what you find or think of, right now VNC would be the most awesome but I have no familiarity with the protocol or existing implementations so I don't know |
| 09:11.52 | destinal | also, good night :) |
| 09:12.03 | jacques | but now I have code which can take screenshots of GLES apps on the Pre |
| 09:12.26 | destinal-sleep | any GL-ES app from out of process? |
| 09:12.38 | jacques | I uploaded a couple to the wiki last night |
| 09:12.40 | destinal-sleep | that's handy |
| 09:12.45 | jacques | `night destinal-sleep |
| 09:12.59 | destinal-sleep | VNC DOOM |
| 09:13.02 | destinal-sleep | :P |
| 09:13.15 | jacques | no, the function (currently) has to be built into the app |
| 09:13.27 | destinal-sleep | ah |
| 09:13.33 | jacques | not sure how to do it external to the app |
| 09:14.05 | jacques | and, I'm not sure doom is using GL (is it?) |
| 09:14.28 | jacques | we have screenshots taken the normal way (I thought) |
| 09:17.10 | destinal-sleep | (well the current doom is not GL, but the future, who knows) |
| 09:32.58 | rwhitby | So a Pixi Plus costs $375: http://cgi.ebay.com/Verizon-Palm-Pixi-Plus-3G-Smartphone_W0QQitemZ280461700726QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCell_Phones?hash=item414cd1ee76#ht_4999wt_1167 |
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| 11:19.55 | swisstomcat | hello |
| 11:20.59 | swisstomcat | ping rwhitby |
| 11:21.25 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: what's up? |
| 11:21.34 | swisstomcat | hey |
| 11:21.46 | swisstomcat | i saw that preware now has a french version |
| 11:22.06 | swisstomcat | i assume that a german version can be done now as well |
| 11:22.45 | swisstomcat | i'd volunteer |
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| 11:56.10 | rwhitby | bbt |
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| 12:46.11 | swisstomcat | rwhitby: let me know what to do for a german translation of preware |
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| 13:53.23 | kreiger | hey, does anyone know of any DIY repairable fixes for a non-responsive touch screen on a pre? |
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| 14:14.26 | Abyssul_wIRC | Hello |
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| 14:14.33 | Abyssul_wIRC | O.o |
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| 14:42.35 | zsoc | bbiab |
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| 15:01.10 | zsoc | whoops, i just made an accidental commit of gibberish, heh |
| 15:05.16 | VincentLaw | remind me never to install the virtual keyboard again >.> |
| 15:05.41 | VincentLaw | no offense to egaudet and the others who did it, but every time I've installed it my pre bombs in some manner >.> |
| 15:07.29 | zsoc | i hate git so much |
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| 15:09.25 | Abyssul_wIRC | It would be so cool if palm implemented their own VK |
| 15:10.58 | destinal-wirc | or bluetooth hid or usb host or voice recognition or... |
| 15:12.18 | destinal-wirc | it's pretty clear some things aren't priorities for palm, and kind of makes sense |
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| 15:15.01 | Abyssul_wIRC | At least it's progression. A update every month and half? That's pretty good |
| 15:15.56 | destinal-wirc | yeah,and actually native apps and SDL was a pretty big win |
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| 15:18.52 | zsoc | Yeah, webos is usable now ;) |
| 15:24.39 | destinal-wirc | well yeah, palm removed a major "can't do this with webos" scenario. now if we can just get a Luna with native speed respo |
| 15:24.49 | destinal-wirc | nsiveness... |
| 15:25.25 | zsoc | Do packages in /nonworking/ some how ... install differently? I have a few packages installed, and after setting them as dependencies for a 4th package, it built the first 3 again D: |
| 15:27.43 | Abyssul_wIRC | Gpu UI would kill |
| 15:27.54 | destinal-wirc | Luna Luna Luna ... heh,cool, my spelling dictionary knows either the name of its UI/framework or more likely, the name of the moon or goddess it was named after. |
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| 15:43.56 | destinal-wirc | ~seen cdm |
| 15:43.59 | infobot | cdm <n=cdm@adsl-69-107-70-34.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 17d 6h 38m 40s ago, saying: 'lots-o-people'. |
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| 15:44.57 | destinal-wirc | ~seen geist |
| 15:44.58 | infobot | geist is currently on #webos-internals (17h 48m 57s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 6h 58m 21s, last said: 'to avoid an additional composite'. |
| 15:46.19 | destinal-wirc | ~seen mrvc |
| 15:46.20 | infobot | mrvc <n=mrvc2@c-67-191-184-192.hsd1.ga.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 101d 9h 36m 40s ago, saying: 'later everyone'. |
| 15:48.16 | zsoc | destinal-wirc: have a question? lol |
| 15:49.26 | destinal-wirc | zsoc: not really, just thinking |
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| 15:50.16 | zsoc | hehe ok |
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| 16:00.17 | floridarandy | greetings..quick question |
| 16:01.26 | floridarandy | successfully installed webos quick install and can install successfully using it |
| 16:01.41 | floridarandy | using quick install i downloaded preware an package manger |
| 16:02.12 | floridarandy | now n first use i get Fixing Unknown Pckages 1 of 22...ben running about 5 minutes...normal? what is it doing? |
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| 16:07.30 | destinal-wirc | floridarandy: make sure you're running webOS 1.3.5.x |
| 16:08.21 | floridarandy | yes...current on new verizon pre plus. i closed card and restarted...seems to be working ok now... |
| 16:08.39 | floridarandy | downloading packes |
| 16:08.42 | destinal-wirc | ah ok, cool |
| 16:09.07 | destinal-wirc | wants a pre plus :) |
| 16:09.32 | floridarandy | thanks...ya...best phone / palm i've owned...and that goes back a long time |
| 16:10.16 | floridarandy | quick general question |
| 16:10.41 | floridarandy | it seems webos install i simply the desktop version of what preware does on the device unconnected, correct? |
| 16:11.56 | destinal-wirc | kind of but not wosqi is as fully featured in some ways as preware. it doesn't automatically handle dependencies for instance |
| 16:12.16 | destinal-wirc | err wosqi is not as.. |
| 16:12.38 | floridarandy | so opt for preware as main tool for patches, tweeks, apps, etc? |
| 16:13.10 | destinal-wirc | I recommend using preware as primary, yes |
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| 16:14.06 | floridarandy | and finally...with v1.4 webos coming what do i do to uninstall patches...i believe this mustbe done before updating? |
| 16:14.38 | PuffTheMagic_ | floridarandy: just doctor it |
| 16:14.40 | PuffTheMagic_ | :D |
| 16:14.46 | VincentLaw | If you updated your patches with the new AUP or whatever it is, it shouldn't be necessary |
| 16:15.16 | destinal-wirc | floridarandy: actually the patches in preware will use the new auto update patch thing so it shouldn't be needed |
| 16:15.41 | floridarandy | doctor simply wipes and reintalls. re AUP how do i confirm it present? |
| 16:15.41 | destinal-wirc | tweaks in wosqi, I don't know if they'll be an issue or not |
| 16:16.06 | VincentLaw | this doesn't mean the patches will /work/, but they won't break your system and will update correctly when they are updated to support whatever new version of WebOS comes out |
| 16:16.19 | PuffTheMagic_ | floridarandy: yeah and doctor is clean and quick |
| 16:16.30 | debilater | anyone fit with git? I get: Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 2 commits. what shall I do now? |
| 16:16.44 | floridarandy | completein puff's suggestion how do you reinstall then after webos update? |
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| 16:17.04 | PuffTheMagic_ | debilater: that means u made changes |
| 16:17.07 | PuffTheMagic_ | and havent pushed |
| 16:17.31 | debilater | PuffTheMagic_: omg yes, I forgot :) thanks! |
| 16:17.47 | PuffTheMagic_ | floridarandy: im saying to doctor it instead of doing the OTA update |
| 16:17.57 | PuffTheMagic_ | when the OTA is out the new doctor is out |
| 16:18.16 | xelfe | Hi ! I installed preware yesterday .. Evryting was ok but I cant start the preware apps.. somebody can help me ? |
| 16:18.19 | PuffTheMagic_ | i find it easier to just start clean each update |
| 16:18.19 | destinal-wirc | floridarandy: heh, puff would have you just wipe phone to factory with the new doctor when it comes out and relogin to your palm profile and reinstall preware and then install any homebrew packages |
| 16:18.32 | PuffTheMagic_ | esp since internals nt touched |
| 16:19.04 | destinal-wirc | I did that with 1.3.5 and it was pretty painless but I keep my contacts in the cloud anyway |
| 16:19.09 | PuffTheMagic_ | destinal-wirc: but with metadoctor u could get preware/ip[kservice usbnet and dev mode enabled |
| 16:19.25 | VincentLaw | I really, really wish Palm would fix synergy to remember contact associations |
| 16:20.00 | PuffTheMagic_ | we "webos-internals" should create a Trac for webOS bugs |
| 16:20.07 | PuffTheMagic_ | our own bug tracker for Palm |
| 16:20.18 | PuffTheMagic_ | rwhitby: ping!!! |
| 16:20.54 | debilater | PuffTheMagic_: I agree 100%! |
| 16:20.56 | destinal-wirc | floridarandy: it'll probably all just work with the ota update and aup, but check first here before you do it |
| 16:21.14 | debilater | PuffTheMagic_: and for our apps+services |
| 16:21.30 | PuffTheMagic_ | debilater: some projects do already |
| 16:21.36 | xelfe | nobody can help me ? |
| 16:21.38 | PuffTheMagic_ | those with devs who are interested |
| 16:22.43 | sampson | so i talked a friend of mine in getting a pre plus since his contract was up |
| 16:23.00 | sampson | got it at noon yesterday and went out to the bars at 11 that night and the power button was already broken |
| 16:23.05 | sampson | gg palm way to step up the build quality |
| 16:23.10 | PuffTheMagic_ | lol |
| 16:23.36 | PuffTheMagic_ | sampson: they didnt do anything for build qualit |
| 16:23.53 | sampson | that's pretty sad |
| 16:23.55 | debilater | PuffTheMagic_: on webos-internal.org? |
| 16:24.03 | PuffTheMagic_ | they just made it easier to make by removing the center button |
| 16:24.20 | sampson | they added one of those water strips behind the battery too |
| 16:24.24 | PuffTheMagic_ | http://git.webos-internals.org/trac |
| 16:24.25 | sampson | the slider is def nicer |
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| 16:24.56 | PuffTheMagic_ | sampson: the slider is different or did u just forget what a fresh one is like? |
| 16:25.07 | destinal-wirc | puff: I heard they're building them differently |
| 16:25.26 | destinal-wirc | keyboard and slider are both different |
| 16:25.29 | debilater | PuffTheMagic_: how do i add? |
| 16:25.44 | PuffTheMagic_ | debilater: ummmmm... you cant yet |
| 16:25.57 | PuffTheMagic_ | i need to talk to rwhitby about adding a plugin by default |
| 16:26.05 | PuffTheMagic_ | that allows new users to make accounts |
| 16:26.12 | PuffTheMagic_ | i "could" make the plugin |
| 16:26.18 | PuffTheMagic_ | if my python2.5 was working |
| 16:26.34 | PuffTheMagic_ | i can only use python2.6 right now |
| 16:26.39 | PuffTheMagic_ | and the server needs 2.5 |
| 16:26.54 | debilater | i'd really lovi it |
| 16:27.09 | PuffTheMagic_ | debilater: yeah i like the idea too |
| 16:27.19 | PuffTheMagic_ | we could get precentral people to use it too :D |
| 16:28.50 | debilater | PuffTheMagic_: I'm totally coddled with rt.cpan.org :) |
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| 16:29.19 | debilater | PuffTheMagic_: and the best would be: just add to changelog: "- fixed bg#1833" :) |
| 16:29.29 | debilater | s/bg/bug/ |
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| 16:30.18 | swisstomcat | preware question |
| 16:30.26 | swisstomcat | how do i translate it to german? |
| 16:30.44 | debilater | swisstomcat: ask a german? :) (e.g. me) |
| 16:31.16 | swisstomcat | i mean technically .. i'd volunteer for a translation |
| 16:31.26 | debilater | swisstomcat: no serioulsly: latest branch already has german translation (since yesterday) |
| 16:31.33 | swisstomcat | oh well |
| 16:31.39 | swisstomcat | :) |
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| 16:32.05 | swisstomcat | volunteers where knocking down the door i guess :) |
| 16:33.14 | destinal-wirc | prewares multilingual yay |
| 16:33.17 | PuffTheMagic_ | swisstomcat: well check out the latest commits |
| 16:33.32 | swisstomcat | cool stuff |
| 16:33.33 | PuffTheMagic_ | swisstomcat: and use the French translation as a template |
| 16:33.48 | PuffTheMagic_ | and send us the new file |
| 16:33.51 | swisstomcat | guess i could still translate it to swiss-german |
| 16:34.10 | swisstomcat | since the german is done already |
| 16:34.27 | PuffTheMagic_ | destinal-wirc: we shoudl probably match these with real LOCALES |
| 16:34.40 | PuffTheMagic_ | if not already |
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| 16:34.47 | debilater | swisstomcat: in fact I fixed the german translation today, because the palm can't display umlauts and - worse - command buttons and list widgets don't even understand html entities |
| 16:35.15 | swisstomcat | not good |
| 16:35.29 | debilater | yes |
| 16:35.53 | debilater | a shame for palm |
| 16:37.38 | swisstomcat | apparently palm is too US centric |
| 16:37.55 | VincentLaw | I'm rather surprised at that seeing as they're released in Germany |
| 16:38.08 | VincentLaw | You sure there's no locale settings? |
| 16:39.51 | debilater | VincentLaw: maybe but I hate german translated errormessages of usual unix commands :) |
| 16:41.46 | debilater | VincentLaw: I didn't found anything like that in /etc or in my shell env |
| 16:47.01 | floridarandy | sorry...called away but thanks to all for the input |
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| 16:49.11 | destinal-wirc | puff: we should use palms already selected location/language |
| 16:49.40 | destinal-wirc | but I guess delectable sub-regions would be good |
| 16:49.53 | destinal-wirc | select able |
| 16:50.04 | destinal-wirc | spellcheck grr |
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| 16:59.11 | destinal-wirc | my slider is grinding a bit and my power button doesn't work without 10 lbs of force,and I have several dead pixels. I should really get this thing replaced |
| 16:59.32 | DrFunk | I would say so |
| 16:59.40 | DrFunk | lol |
| 17:00.50 | gollyzila | Imorchard: you here? |
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| 17:13.47 | zsoc|away | destinal-wirc: build quality of newer units is much better |
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| 17:33.13 | DrFunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.49 | debilater | is there someone here with SDL knowledge? |
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| 17:35.25 | DrFunk | debilater: just ask the ? maybe someone can help |
| 17:35.58 | DrFunk | people are always busy so someone might take a peek and answer :) |
| 17:37.03 | destinal | PuffTheMagic_: I think since webos already has proper language selection we should base on that by default. maybe if there were sub localizations that palm didn't support we could make that selectable but I don't see a big need |
| 17:37.41 | debilater | well, my stella port runs so far on the palm, I managed to turn off it's joystick support (it found the accelerometer as joystick!) and re-mapped the keys. however, moving just doesnt work. so, up,down,left,right using w,s,a,d - nope. I can fire/jump, enter the game menu, settings menu and stuff but not move |
| 17:38.12 | destinal | debilater: probably you just need to map the keys |
| 17:38.21 | destinal | or you said you did already? |
| 17:38.47 | debilater | destinal: I did and it shows the mapped keys in INput Settings correctly |
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| 17:39.35 | Abyssul_wIRC | Hey |
| 17:40.12 | DrFunk | hey hey hey |
| 17:40.37 | Abyssul_wIRC | Anything interesting? |
| 17:41.17 | DrFunk | yea saints lose by 10 |
| 17:42.07 | destinal | DrFunk: what did I tell you about time travel and spoilers? stop that.. |
| 17:42.31 | DrFunk | lmao |
| 17:42.44 | DrFunk | have fun all bbl |
| 17:42.50 | destinal | DrFunk: later |
| 17:43.27 | PuffTheMagic_ | destinal oh right i forgot it had support for that already |
| 17:44.04 | destinal | PuffTheMagic_: yeah it's kind of annoying that there's not one universal image |
| 17:44.58 | destinal | so only if you're on a system image from a carrier that serves a native language speaking population do you even see languages like german |
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| 17:46.17 | destinal | it would be cool to make a metadoctor type support for generation of a universal image. unfortunately it would take like five doctor downloads to have all the right source files |
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| 17:48.36 | destinal | maybe a program to build you a doctor by fetching the right things from the right ones that you select -- say, I want customizations for X carrier with Y and Z language, go out and get me the right doctors and mix it together |
| 17:50.17 | destinal | also it would be nice to be able to do that even if your customizations package is for an earlier version (ie your carrier doesn't have 1.4 yet but sprint doctor is out) |
| 17:53.12 | destinal | debilater: dtzWill is probably the best to ask, he's done tons of these ports |
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| 18:00.01 | PuffTheMagic_ | the superbowl has broken my digital tv |
| 18:04.10 | VincentLaw | bleh I need some artwork :/ |
| 18:05.24 | rick-home | VincentLaw what do you need? |
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| 18:09.21 | VincentLaw | a slot machine face. I'm not nearly good enough of an artist to crank one out. lawl |
| 18:09.24 | Rubin | http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/SqueezeOSArchitecture |
| 18:09.33 | Rubin | i wonder if that would run on my pre :) |
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| 18:12.51 | rick-home | VincentLaw do you want a drawing, or a photo, or what? You need the reels too? see pm for email |
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| 18:14.20 | VincentLaw | okay |
| 18:14.27 | VincentLaw | I only need the face, I have the reels done |
| 18:16.10 | rick-home | you could find a pd photo or drawing. |
| 18:16.19 | VincentLaw | I've tried, actually |
| 18:16.28 | VincentLaw | there really aren't any |
| 18:16.33 | VincentLaw | at least, ones of it front-facing |
| 18:19.06 | rick-home | ahhhh |
| 18:19.29 | VincentLaw | I'm making a slot machine app, so :p |
| 18:19.36 | rick-home | well, if you have photos of it at an oblique angle you could skew them to square and crop, but at that point, getting josh in is a good idea. |
| 18:19.39 | rick-home | he's VERY good. |
| 18:20.17 | VincentLaw | alright. hopefully it won't cost too much :D |
| 18:20.17 | VincentLaw | should I say you referred me? |
| 18:20.25 | rick-home | yes, and mention that you've talked to JenP and discuss a royalty arrangement. He's already got apps (wallpaper apps) in the app catalog |
| 18:21.11 | VincentLaw | (I don't know who JenP is lol) |
| 18:22.56 | rick-home | oh, you don't hang in #webos at all huh |
| 18:23.17 | rick-home | JenP did debtfree, and is my partner on the vocshopgames apps. |
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| 18:24.56 | destinal | Rubin: the squeezebox operating system? well, it could be ported, but there's not a lot of phone related support in the architecture I imagine |
| 18:25.28 | VincentLaw | rick-home: ah, ok. yeah I don't visit webos much :p |
| 18:26.57 | destinal | Rubin: but this looks kind of cool (both the stack and the supporting hardware) |
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| 18:29.37 | Rubin | destinal, im thinking more like the lua/jive bit, so that the pre becomes the remote half of the duet |
| 18:29.57 | Rubin | but could also be useful to have it be the player side too. on 2nd thought. |
| 18:30.08 | farms | morning all |
| 18:30.19 | Rubin | the jive thing is LUA -> SDL |
| 18:30.43 | destinal | Rubin: absolutely, you could just layer it into webos |
| 18:31.03 | destinal | run all the applets that are out there for squeezebox |
| 18:31.36 | Rubin | is it getting easier to integrate that stuff so it runs in a card? |
| 18:32.12 | destinal | SDL apps will naturally run in cards with no extra work (see the DOOM port example) |
| 18:32.29 | Rubin | wow so maybe its easier than i was even thinking |
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| 18:44.17 | rick-home | basically Rubin, if you download the WIPK package, you can take any sdl app, and simply make and compile it. |
| 18:44.39 | rick-home | You then get to do fun stuff like keymaps and such, but joystick support is AUTOMATICALLY built into using the accelerometer. |
| 18:44.54 | Rubin | thats awesome |
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| 18:45.52 | rick-home | now, we STRONGLY suggest that you use the WIPK in an ubuntu 9.1 installation, and frankly, we suggest just installing a virtual machine just for that purpose... but since you're going to have a VM anyway to run the SDK emulator, no big deal. |
| 18:47.05 | rick-home | see the wipk page on the webos-internals wiki |
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| 19:04.18 | gollyzila | Preware and WOSQI are saying that i have Command Line installed on my phone, but I don't. I've to uninstall it with both programs but they give me the error that there is no such file or directory. So what should I do? |
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| 19:09.44 | rick-home | gollyzila you have the old commander service running. |
| 19:10.01 | rick-home | you don't have command line, but the service is still there. |
| 19:10.18 | gollyzila | how do i remove it? |
| 19:11.21 | rick-home | did you ever have the flashlight app (the old one) installed? |
| 19:11.42 | gollyzila | uhhh I don't think |
| 19:12.10 | rick-home | hmmm |
| 19:14.05 | rick-home | what is the exact message that you're getting? |
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| 19:17.12 | gollyzila | Is there a way to copy the message that WOSQI gives? |
| 19:17.51 | rick-home | no |
| 19:18.19 | gollyzila | How about in Preware? |
| 19:21.04 | rick-home | no |
| 19:21.11 | rick-home | other than typing of course.... |
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| 19:23.03 | gollyzila | I'm going to take a screenshot of it |
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| 19:24.34 | gollyzila | http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc160/gollyzila/CommandLineError.png |
| 19:24.41 | gollyzila | http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc160/gollyzila/CommandLineError2.png |
| 19:24.53 | FuMan | wow |
| 19:24.56 | FuMan | hell of a long error msg |
| 19:25.12 | gollyzila | Was that sarcasm? |
| 19:29.22 | Abyssul_wIRC | no |
| 19:33.01 | cmusik | has anyone had the problem that dbus_system didn't start? |
| 19:33.39 | gollyzila | +rick-home: Were you able to find the problem? |
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| 19:36.26 | egaudet-wirc | problem is dependency |
| 19:36.57 | egaudet-wirc | the prerm wipes the dir but then ipkg removal fails because uscl notes dependency |
| 19:37.11 | Abyssul_wIRC | dBsooner: ping |
| 19:37.20 | dBsooner | ? |
| 19:37.27 | egaudet-wirc | I should probabl have prerm not wipe the dir |
| 19:38.07 | VincentLaw | double pings dBsooner for patch submissions :p |
| 19:38.09 | egaudet-wirc | remove uscl notes and then command line remove the problem package |
| 19:38.10 | Abyssul_wIRC | dBsooner: would it be hard to port the camera timer mod into a patch? |
| 19:38.31 | egaudet-wirc | camera timer mod? |
| 19:38.46 | dBsooner | Abyssul_wIRC: no idea. don't know what this mod is. |
| 19:38.56 | gollyzila | I already have USCL Notes uninstalled. Preware is telling me there is an update for Command Line. When I try to remove Command Line, I get that error. |
| 19:39.03 | Abyssul_wIRC | I'll get the url |
| 19:39.34 | egaudet-wirc | gollyzila: comman line remove it |
| 19:40.17 | Abyssul_wIRC | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Patch_Camera_10_Second_Countdown_Timer |
| 19:41.27 | gollyzila | from where? The package is not in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications |
| 19:43.34 | egaudet-wirc | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps remove org.webosinternals.patches.universal-search-command-line |
| 19:44.08 | Abyssul_wIRC | egaudet-wirc , dBsooner, there's the link |
| 19:45.00 | egaudet-wirc | it's just text so can be patch |
| 19:45.18 | Abyssul_wIRC | I thought an image was included |
| 19:45.38 | egaudet-wirc | that's ok if it's not image replacement? |
| 19:46.02 | egaudet-wirc | new image is fine. replacing palm image not in aupt scope yet |
| 19:46.19 | Abyssul_wIRC | I think it's a new image |
| 19:46.31 | Abyssul_wIRC | Kind of like the shutter sound button |
| 19:46.51 | FuMan | OK |
| 19:46.59 | FuMan | heres a brain buster, completely un-webosinternals related |
| 19:47.11 | egaudet-wirc | yea we have new images in aupt. like for keytoss and shutter soun toggles |
| 19:47.14 | FuMan | why, when i type PKelly in universal search, does his mobile number come up as first |
| 19:47.28 | FuMan | and THEN, when i type pkelly in a new SMS card, it brings up his home number first. |
| 19:47.34 | FuMan | what, in Gods name, is the logic to that. |
| 19:48.19 | gollyzila | thanks egaudet-wirc, that did the trick |
| 19:49.50 | Abyssul_wIRC | Who can make that patch though... |
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| 20:22.12 | dBsooner | rwhitby: hurry.. ping |
| 20:22.24 | dBsooner | rwhitby: I need to know the winner of the Super Bowl so I can place my bet.. |
| 20:22.42 | dBsooner | rwhitby: (Since you're in the future and it's already Monday there.. you should have seen the winner by now.) |
| 20:24.26 | sslow | Abyssul_wIRC: ping |
| 20:31.24 | keenah | hi! can anyone plz help me out by clarifying what the difference is between these 3 below that appear to be (2 me) slightly similar? |
| 20:31.25 | keenah | - webOSDoctor.jar |
| 20:31.27 | keenah | - webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar |
| 20:31.32 | keenah | - WebOSRepairUtility.jar |
| 20:31.33 | keenah | i really dont want to mess up and run the incorrect one. some one recommended that i doctored the phone cuz its not working properly. i lost connectivity and since there isnt a switch to turn the connectivity on|off apparently this is the ONLY way out. |
| 20:32.14 | Kyusaku | the one that is webOSDoctor.jar must be one you renamed or downloaded by WebOS QuickInstall or Repair Utility |
| 20:32.26 | swisstomcat | webosdoctor.jar and webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar are probably the same |
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| 20:34.30 | dick-richardson | I have openssh installed and the script from gitorious.org in place and edited to allow for ssh across evdo, however it isn't working |
| 20:34.30 | Kyusaku | keenah, if you're serious about doctoring, turn off your pre, and hold down the up vol button, and press the power button to power it up while your holding down the up button to put it in the special USB mode it needs to be doctored |
| 20:34.49 | Kyusaku | while you're* |
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| 20:34.51 | dick-richardson | it works great over wifi |
| 20:36.37 | dick-richardson | I tried ports 22, 222, and 51357 with the same result (i.e. works over wifi, but not over evdo) |
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| 20:37.31 | destinal | keenah: connectivity? I' |
| 20:37.41 | destinal | keenah: I'm not sure I follow what went wrong |
| 20:39.04 | dick-richardson | I have openssh installed, I have the script from gitorious.org in place and edited per the comments to allow for ssh across evdo, but I can't |
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| 20:40.09 | jacques | dick-richardson, who is your carrier? |
| 20:40.15 | dick-richardson | VZW |
| 20:40.31 | jacques | I wonder if they are blocking. |
| 20:40.52 | dick-richardson | good point - lemme call them |
| 20:40.53 | jacques | you have the port/s open in the firewall on the phone? |
| 20:41.00 | dick-richardson | yeah |
| 20:41.11 | jacques | then I would look at the carrier |
| 20:41.32 | dick-richardson | I guess more accurately, I believe so...I can ssh in over wifi with the ports specified in the gitorious script - just not evdo |
| 20:41.50 | dick-richardson | This will be a great call, I'm sure. :/ |
| 20:42.24 | jacques | I'm not familiar with the gitorious script you mention, so not sure exactly what it does |
| 20:42.37 | jacques | iptables rules can apply only to certain interfaces |
| 20:42.52 | jacques | it's possible to open ports in wlan but not ppp |
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| 20:45.02 | keenah | destinal: for some unknown reason i lost network connection which is what allows you to make a phone call and send messages etc. does this clarify it for u? what i get on the top left corner is "phone offline" that means that there is no network connection |
| 20:45.51 | bpadalino | phone offline generally means java crashed and is coming back up |
| 20:47.20 | dick-richardson | jacques: the script in question is at http://gitorious.org/webos-internals/bootstrap/blobs/raw/master/etc/event.d/optware-openssh |
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| 20:47.31 | dick-richardson | I have the -i designation removed |
| 20:47.32 | keenah | Kyusaku: thx but im confused by your comment. isnt it the same as just selecting the USB mode when i plug it to a PC? |
| 20:47.34 | keenah | do u know what the difference is between these three? which is the right one? |
| 20:48.41 | keenah | Kyusaku: sorry i just notived u actually answered it above it. i was looking for an answer next to my name and u didnt include it on that answer and so i missed it. thx! |
| 20:48.51 | jacques | dick-richardson, OK that seems pretty clear. if it's not working I would suspect packets being blocked :-( |
| 20:50.10 | dick-richardson | jacques: that's the only thing I can think of; problem is trying to explain ports to the representative on the phone. "You want to port a number?" <sigh> |
| 20:50.32 | jacques | dick-richardson, I feel your pain. you would need tier two or three |
| 20:50.57 | keenah | swisstomcat: thx! how to be sure tho? where can i get the latest version so i know im using the right one? do u know if it's true that i wont lose anything like it used to be with the older version? will i lose a few things? will it wipe out my apps and content like pix or files etc? |
| 20:51.19 | dick-richardson | If I could just find out what ports aren't blocked, I could just use one of them... |
| 20:52.18 | swisstomcat | keenah: start here http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/na/deviceselector/page_en.html#NA%20Phones:Palm%20Pre |
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| 20:53.46 | Kyusaku | keenah: newer doctor versions won't delete your pix or music. It shouldn't delete your apps as long as you're in 1.3.5 |
| 20:54.14 | Kyusaku | it might delete their save data though depending where it keeps it |
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| 20:55.47 | keenah | bpadalino: so how do i "turn it on"? its been like that since yesterday, ive rebooted it, removed the batt, swtched on|pff airplane mode, several things of the obvious things to do however nothing has worked. for a few seconds i got connected suddenly and messages came in and out while on network but i lost it again and its stayed like that again... do u know of a way to fix that without... |
| 20:55.50 | keenah | ...having to use the drastic measures? |
| 20:58.54 | bpadalino | i'd use novaterm and get a shell to see what's happening |
| 20:59.05 | bpadalino | but i mean, in general, this is extremely difficult to diagnose |
| 20:59.09 | bpadalino | over irc |
| 20:59.15 | bpadalino | nearly impossible |
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| 20:59.47 | keenah | Kyusaku: thats what i heard but on the palm website it says quite the opposite, thats why i got confused. |
| 20:59.48 | keenah | do u know if it wipes out the text messages, internet history, & favs, etc? |
| 21:00.45 | Kyusaku | keenah: it use to wipe everything |
| 21:00.54 | Kyusaku | the info might be outdated |
| 21:01.38 | Kyusaku | ever since WebOS Doctor 1.3.1 or so it doesn't mess with things on the /media/internal drive which is where all the USB drive mode stuff is. |
| 21:02.05 | Kyusaku | text messages yes, internet history yes |
| 21:02.17 | Kyusaku | bookmarks are saved on the Palm Profile |
| 21:02.31 | keenah | bpadalino: im a rookie with all of this so i need the user friendly versions or steps. novaterm is way out of my league unfortunately. i would make it worse if i dare to even try. it really scares me to even think of trying to b honest. |
| 21:02.32 | Kyusaku | so it'll bring those back when you log into the palm profile |
| 21:02.54 | bpadalino | keenah: which just makes it even more impossible to diagnose without just telling you to doctor the entire device |
| 21:03.31 | bpadalino | either grow a pair and be adventurous, or give up :( |
| 21:03.37 | Kyusaku | bpadalino, haha, yeah this is why I'm just telling keenah to doctor |
| 21:04.03 | destinal | keenah: what they mean by loss of connectivity needing a doctor, on the palm website, is "if you lost connectivity during a software update and need to recover your operating system" |
| 21:04.11 | destinal | keenah: there's probably nothing wrong with yours |
| 21:04.43 | keenah | Kyusaku: when u say "text messages yes, internet history yes" did u mean that it is saved or that it gets wiped? sorry, kind of confused with this still. it really makes me nervous! |
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| 21:04.56 | destinal | by connectivity they mean if your pre was rebooted or if it lost connection to the computer |
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| 21:05.53 | cryptk | so, I have now rebuilt my computer from scratch due to a hard drive failure... |
| 21:06.02 | cryptk | got a new 1TB HD for $100 |
| 21:06.12 | destinal | cryptk: you know what they say, not "if" but "when" |
| 21:06.43 | cryptk | yep |
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| 21:06.55 | cryptk | I still have the failed drive, I am going to try and do some data recovery |
| 21:06.58 | destinal | I had a drive failure a few weeks ago too |
| 21:07.05 | cryptk | the warranty on the old drive expired this past christmas |
| 21:07.11 | cryptk | the new one has a 5 year warranty |
| 21:07.13 | destinal | cryptk: if it makes clicking noises try the freezer technique :) |
| 21:07.20 | cryptk | it is a WD Cavair Black |
| 21:07.31 | destinal | contract the metal a bit |
| 21:07.32 | cryptk | destinal it isn't clicking... |
| 21:07.40 | keenah | bpadalino: thank you for trying to help and for ur honesty but i prefer to stay on the safe side which is the reason why i was asking for help from the experts, someone who knows what their doing. i didnt mean to bother anyone by asking. so i apologize if thats what i did to you. |
| 21:07.46 | cryptk | it is a power fluctuation issue... |
| 21:07.56 | cryptk | causes multiple crashes, both in windows and linux |
| 21:08.19 | cryptk | keenah, what is your problem? |
| 21:08.19 | destinal | cryptk: probably a bad capacitor on the controller board or something along those lines |
| 21:08.34 | destinal | cryptk: you could probably swap controller boards with a good drive of the same model |
| 21:08.44 | cryptk | destinal something like that... it should be stable enough for me to read the files off it, but not stable enough for me to run an OS... |
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| 21:09.23 | cryptk | destinal, I don't have anything too important on it... if I can't get the files off it, then it is no biggie... the biggest thing I lost was everything I had for the bootloader project... |
| 21:09.35 | destinal | oh, you actually had stuff for that? |
| 21:09.58 | destinal | or, just leave |
| 21:10.02 | destinal | :P |
| 21:11.38 | keenah | destinal: I KNOW!! thats why im having such a hard time understanding why i need to take such drastic measures when i probably dont even need to go through it. it might be fixed by doing something much more simple. i know that isnt my situation. it just kind of happened and when i asked the 1st time a few hours ago they just told me to doctor it without hesitation. like that was the only... |
| 21:11.39 | keenah | ...option i had. i dont even want to call sprint, they are totally clueless. i dont know anything and i know more than them, that kind of says it all... |
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| 21:12.39 | cryptk | now I have to figure out why my USB devices randomly stop responding... |
| 21:14.16 | keenah | cryptk: plz dont get offended by my question, but, may i ask u, is this a sarcastic question or r u really asking cuz u might be able to help? just making sure. u might not be really asking & i prefer to avoid it, u know? ;) |
| 21:14.21 | cryptk | destinal yeah, I had a little bit done for it... not too much |
| 21:14.34 | cryptk | keenah, I was actually asking |
| 21:14.43 | cryptk | stop apologizing and jsut ask your question... |
| 21:14.55 | cryptk | if you just asked it I missed it cause I had to close xchat... |
| 21:15.01 | destinal | keenah: I would still recommend you call sprint. we really can't support your device comprehensively, and they can. if one tier of their support doesn't know, they can escalate and eventually they'll replace your device if need be |
| 21:15.16 | cryptk | what device is it? |
| 21:16.10 | cryptk | DAMNIT!!! it did it again... |
| 21:16.13 | destinal | keenah: if you have all your data in the cloud, like gmail, just run a webos doctor |
| 21:16.18 | cryptk | friggin USB devices stop responding for some reason... |
| 21:16.29 | destinal | keenah: it'll reset your device back to factory settings |
| 21:16.29 | debilater | a question: is there a java function to test for directory existence like "[ -d $dir ]" ? |
| 21:16.34 | destinal | (more or less) |
| 21:16.43 | cryptk | I had fixed it before, but i forgot what I did and now that I am on a fresh install I forget how I fixed it... |
| 21:16.43 | keenah | cryptk: k thx! ;) |
| 21:16.44 | debilater | err javascript |
| 21:16.45 | keenah | i assume ur asking after reading my original question above (@ 15:31), right? i just need to know what ur referring to exactly so i can answer ur question. |
| 21:17.29 | cryptk | sorry keenah, I didn't see the original question... but i am actually having some issues of my own that I have to fix before I can help anyone else... lol |
| 21:18.20 | keenah | cryptk: alright, no prblem of course. thx for trying anyway... |
| 21:21.23 | sslow | keenah: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
| 21:23.52 | Kyusaku | Sprint would probably recommend doctoring anyways before suggesting a device replacement |
| 21:24.36 | sugardave | there seems to be overwhelming sentiment for the doctor option |
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| 21:27.40 | Kyusaku | sugardave, when it comes to things like issues with the phone's radio/connection it can be a bit difficult to diagnose especially when the user has trouble giving a very detailed report on the issue |
| 21:29.03 | Kyusaku | when it could actually pertain to a hardware problem. Doctoring is the best option to know for sure it is a hardware issue and not software |
| 21:29.48 | sugardave | yeah, I'd doctor it |
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| 21:30.14 | sugardave | yet, the doctoring has not been done... |
| 21:30.18 | sugardave | I guess |
| 21:33.09 | Kyusaku | yeah, not yet. keenah had some questions about the doctor, and several other people tried questioning the issue with no real fix. |
| 21:35.33 | keenah | destinal: thx for ur suggestion. that is the most logical option. i agree. and maybe helpful with other providers which would offer logical & actual help. but sprint is kind of terrible; when it comes to the pre theyre even worse. i wish i wouldve known... i actually have their direct ATS #; wich saves me a lot of time and aggravation repeating myself to every single one before they... |
| 21:35.35 | keenah | ...decide they cant help, hours later. this is the highest on their tech support chain for the pre. ive had sooooooooo many issues with this phone its unbelievable, so im used to call. only its very rare that they know something right away or know it at all. they usually tell me to call palm, after they have wasted my time of course, and i would have to take off of work to do just that.... |
| 21:35.37 | keenah | ...its become a part time job. theres never a straight answer or solution from either so its transferred call after transferred call or calls to other places, its really a very irritating & never ending vicious circle... frustrating! if it was actually helpful it would be worth it going through it all, but it never is. it always ends up being a waste of my time... no solutions come out of... |
| 21:35.38 | keenah | ...only one call or one day. its kind of unbelievable! |
| 21:35.40 | keenah | even though, i wouldve called but now i cant even call cuz the problem is that the phone is out of network so it doesnt work, which doesnt allow me to make a call. i tried the chat but they told met that they cant help and asked me to call ATS. so thats it. i either find help online on a chat room or risk it and do the dr myself even when it might be unnecessary or wait till i can get to a... |
| 21:35.43 | keenah | ...phone & have a few spare hours to make the call... |
| 21:35.44 | keenah | sorry for the long one... u might have not even read it all anyways. but im thankful for u offering ur help ;) |
| 21:35.52 | sugardave | MY EYES! |
| 21:36.21 | Kyusaku | wth flood |
| 21:36.38 | Kyusaku | you don't need such a write up |
| 21:36.46 | keenah | i assumed that some of u would reply with comments like that... i apologize. but since u dont need to read it u can just ignore it |
| 21:36.50 | Kyusaku | this stuff happens |
| 21:36.56 | sugardave | yeah can't really ignore that wall |
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| 21:37.15 | keenah | again, so very sorry for the ones that were bothered by it |
| 21:37.17 | Kyusaku | the phone is a complicated device |
| 21:37.32 | Kyusaku | just doctor it and see what happens |
| 21:37.44 | sugardave | so, keenah....doctor your phone, suffer, or return it...those appear to be your 3 options |
| 21:38.06 | Kyusaku | he can still do options 1 and 3 |
| 21:38.21 | sugardave | ype, combo |
| 21:39.52 | destinal | keenah: sorry re: sprint, I've never had to call them so I guess I've been lucky |
| 21:40.14 | keenah | sourdave, sorry, sugardave, thx 4 ur suggestion. i didnt include the explanation on my original question to avoid having to explain and bother anyone, like i just obviously did but it would have been ruse if i wouldve just ignored who asked. it was bad either way, right? |
| 21:40.59 | sugardave | ow |
| 21:41.02 | sugardave | that hurts |
| 21:41.04 | keenah | besides, i cant return it, thats not an option sprint offers |
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| 21:43.13 | sugardave | oh, so sorry keenah, I mean 'return for replacement' so sorry if I have offended you |
| 21:43.26 | sugardave | and they will replace it |
| 21:43.28 | sugardave | so sorry |
| 21:43.33 | keenah | destinal: yes, consider urself a lucky man. it is a nightmare! i just cant stand calling them. theyre terrible trust me! i cant wait to finish this contract and cancel the acct! in the meantime i have to take what they have. if i have the need to torture myself i just call them that day |
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| 21:45.24 | egaudet-wirc | keenah: turn airplane mode on and then off |
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| 21:50.09 | keenah | sugardave: i cant tell if ur being serious or if ur still doing that. so im not sure if i should even reply to that so i wont. |
| 21:50.11 | keenah | i just dont undrtsnd why i had to apologize for responding to someone's question or explaining something that couldnt have been explained shorter than that. the way i saw it was that if it was not for me i simply can skip it & move on, no harm done. its not that hard to do that, at least for me. im not being rude or insulting anyone by that. but based on what ive seen so far, i was... |
| 21:50.12 | keenah | ...expecting it. thats why i apologized. |
| 21:51.42 | keenah | egaudet-wirc: thx! yup, done too! - maybe u didnt read above where i explained what i did; that was on the list. |
| 21:52.08 | sugardave | I am really most interested in the thought process behind why you wouldn't go ahead and doctor your phone, since I've seen that suggestion at least 3 times and I haven't bothered to go back and count them all |
| 21:52.27 | sugardave | but hey, it's not my phone |
| 21:53.36 | destinal | Rubin: it looks like the squeezebox firmware image is SDL 1.2 based ARM binaries. we're missing libSDL_gfx.so.0 libFLAC.so.8 libmad.so.0 and libtolua++.so on our base system to just run the jive binary, but the rest we already have. |
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| 21:55.30 | egaudet-wirc | keenah: if I had read above what you did I wouldn't have suggested it. |
| 21:55.46 | keenah | sugardave: what makes u say that i dont want to doctor it? where r u getting that from? if u wouldve read the original question u would b able to understand and not assume incorrectly. |
| 21:56.03 | destinal | Rubin: binary firmware is http://update.slimdevices.com/update/firmware/7.5.0/ which looks to be current |
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| 21:57.14 | sugardave | keenah: then do it and see if it fixes the problem!!! |
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| 21:58.02 | egaudet-wirc | we are not palm tech support. you sound condescending |
| 21:58.13 | keenah | egaudet-wirc: i know, thats why i mentioned it, for ur benefit. sorry, i didnt mean to say it that way. i know that is the dinamic of this place, based on experience so far, but that is not the tone i use. plz dont take me the wrong way. i apologize if it came out wrong. |
| 21:58.55 | egaudet-wirc | dynamic of this place? |
| 21:59.13 | destinal | ~smart-questions |
| 21:59.14 | infobot | rumour has it, smart-questions is http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 22:01.02 | keenah | sugardave: sorry i forgot i had to inform u about every lil thing i do. u must be very bored to not b able to move on & keep taking that tone with me when i have done nothing to get this from u. |
| 22:01.25 | Kyusaku | egaudet, he already tried doing airplane mode on/off |
| 22:01.29 | keenah | i just dont get why u keep saying that i dont want to do it. says who? |
| 22:02.22 | Kyusaku | keenah: probably the fact you haven't already done it by now to solve the issue |
| 22:02.32 | sslow | keenah: then just dr. it and quit bitching |
| 22:03.00 | sslow | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
| 22:03.54 | keenah | egaudet-wirc: that is exactly what i mean. u c? it is so unnecessary to have to explain something that if read without expecting the worse ti wouldnt even come up. plz accept my apology if i offended u. i was merely putting as an example my own experience like the negative comments i received when i was trying to answer a question. |
| 22:04.21 | egaudet-wirc | did you dl a patch to allow setting phone on off |
| 22:04.54 | egaudet-wirc | I can't parse your last statment |
| 22:05.13 | keenah | sslow: thx but tell it to sugardave who keeps saying i dont want to do it. if u would have read the right replies u wouldve seen that it is exactly what i did |
| 22:05.53 | sslow | did u do a full erase b4 |
| 22:05.59 | sslow | or after |
| 22:06.19 | egaudet-wirc | keenah just be direct and stop with the 'if you would have' type of comments |
| 22:06.23 | destinal | keenah: you have to realize people here are helping people for free, and it's not rude for them to expect you to have done some reading and research and put some energy into it yourself. the things you're saying (about free volunteers) are pretty insulting |
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| 22:08.10 | destinal | keenah: really, I strongly recommend that you read this article: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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| 22:09.11 | sslow | keenah: it seems pretty simple to me...full erase+Dr.+new Palm Profile = fresh Pre.....If you do that and still have this problem then its a hardware problem and needs to be returned |
| 22:09.33 | keenah | destinal: insulting? i had no idea, really. that is not the person i am. i really didnt think i had to expect this. i know it is for free, for the ones who do not donate. and not because i donate i should expect any better treatment i also know that, (before im misinterpreted again). i just asked one simple question and then it all went to hell and i cant even c why. i know this may not... |
| 22:09.35 | keenah | ...even help so never mind. i appreciate u wanting to help tho. thx |
| 22:09.54 | Kyusaku | keenah wants his photos and junk from media drive, so plain doctor would be best first |
| 22:10.36 | destinal | keenah: I think part of the miscommunication may a language issue. I'm guessing english isn't your native language? |
| 22:10.40 | egaudet-wirc | donation has no strings attached |
| 22:11.37 | keenah | egaudet-wirc: unless ur agreeing with me, that is exactly what i said |
| 22:12.08 | egaudet-wirc | pointing it out is insinuating something else |
| 22:12.41 | destinal | egaudet-wirc: considering this more, I think a lot of the perceived tone problems are linguistic |
| 22:13.20 | egaudet-wirc | not this one though. bringing up a donation is not a linguistic thing |
| 22:14.50 | egaudet-wirc | but anyway forget all this other stuff. I'd go to chat with palm support after trying all steps that sslow suggested |
| 22:15.36 | destinal | egaudet-wirc: I agree, a full erase and a webos doctor is the best course of action for keenah to try. |
| 22:15.47 | sslow | egaudet-wirc: is media/interna part of the palm profile or just untouched by the dr.? |
| 22:15.49 | keenah | egaudet-wirc: that is not the context i used it in i was answering someone elses comment who is the one who brought it up |
| 22:16.52 | destinal | if a full erase and webos doctor don't fix it, then the hardware needs to be replaced. (or it's not compatible with the area you're trying it in) |
| 22:17.19 | egaudet-wirc | destinal said we are free volunteers. you brought up donation. (which btw is not used to pay us to be here) |
| 22:18.11 | egaudet-wirc | keenah: what was the first time you saw this symptom? |
| 22:18.31 | destinal | (donation only keeps the servers running to provide everyone with the wiki, software repositories, etc) |
| 22:19.20 | destinal | I think it has also bought a very small amount of development hardware used to make the software that's hosted here |
| 22:19.45 | egaudet-wirc | yes |
| 22:21.20 | Abyssul_wIRC | Sslow: what's up? |
| 22:22.59 | sslow | Abyssul_wIRC: you posted a link to a camera app earlier, that was just a modification of another one....do you have the link to the Original posters code? |
| 22:23.33 | sslow | I believe it was for 2.5 sec |
| 22:26.21 | Abyssul_wIRC | no he mustve edited over it or something |
| 22:27.13 | sslow | I thought i could patch it for you but i need the original code |
| 22:27.54 | sslow | even the icon stuff could have been done using my scrims folder |
| 22:28.56 | sslow | if you happn to come across it pm me on precentral and ill look into it for you |
| 22:30.01 | keenah | destinal: u just said something (above) that made me realize something else and i have to thank u for it. i was under the impression that this was a chat room for palm pre users. i was referred to it by someone else who failed to explain a very important fact u just mentioned and now i can understand the reason why to all of this & where i put myself into. they just gave me the link to here... |
| 22:30.02 | keenah | ...and said that. i wish they couldve told me it was what it was so i knew what to expect. i thought i was talking to other users who i could ask a question & would undrstand my frustration or c it from my same point of view instead of taking it the wrong way. (gee i hope no one takes this comment also the wrong way) maybe all this couldve been avoided. so thx so much. ;) |
| 22:31.23 | destinal | keenah: okay, thanks |
| 22:32.07 | destinal | egaudet-wirc: so, hacking anything interesting lately? :) |
| 22:32.10 | Kyusaku | this chat room is more meant for developers that are trying to develop beyond the scope of Palm's current development structure . And will support issues related to webos-internals software |
| 22:32.30 | destinal | goes into troll-avoidance mode |
| 22:33.51 | egaudet-wirc | :p haven't had much hacking time last few days. |
| 22:35.29 | destinal | egaudet-wirc: yeah I've been busy with work mostly, but I hope to get back into hidd hacking soon |
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| 22:40.05 | hape | dBsooner: Ping |
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| 22:46.41 | keenah | Kyusaku: i so really wish i wouldve known this bfore i even dared asking anything. they just gave it to me on another palm pre site & never said anything like this. by the content ive read so far i could c the comments were a little way out of my league & it confused me to c how users could know anything about that at that level when it sounds so advanced, to me at least. i just thought i... |
| 22:46.42 | keenah | ...might have been a lil too behind. now i get it. im definitely in the wrong place, for what i'd use it anyways. im a different kind of user. im definitely an older (in age) kind of user which makes things harder. (for me to understand at least) by the way people communicate here, i can see this is a very much younger crowd and that seriously affects the communication aspect as well. ... |
| 22:46.46 | keenah | ...(bfore im misinterpreted, i meant this very respectfully! only we have to be honest in taking age into consideration. we might be using the same language & still not use the same "language") |
| 22:46.46 | keenah | may i ask u, where is this place? is this in the US? |
| 22:48.45 | dick-richardson | where would i put a script that I want run when EVDO connects or the ip changes? |
| 22:48.57 | ird | keenah: you mean this channel? |
| 22:49.19 | ird | keenah: it's.. on the internet. |
| 22:49.20 | ird | :p |
| 22:49.58 | keenah | where r the servers located? |
| 22:50.19 | ird | all over the world, I'm assuming. |
| 22:50.30 | keenah | so the volunteers are all over the world? |
| 22:50.44 | ird | keenah: http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml |
| 22:50.46 | Kyusaku | http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml |
| 22:50.48 | keenah | oops... we crossed thoughts |
| 22:50.57 | Kyusaku | gah beat me |
| 22:52.19 | Kyusaku | keenah: you don't need to keep making such big write up, explaining or apologizing for your misconcepts, keep it short and simple. |
| 22:52.22 | keenah | k apparently the "hq" isnt in the americas |
| 22:53.09 | Kyusaku | the freenode network is not a basis for palm development or support |
| 22:53.14 | keenah | yup definitely... |
| 22:54.06 | Kyusaku | it is an irc network that focuses on open source development on an endless amount of platforms, with a large focus of ubuntu |
| 22:54.10 | keenah | thats ok. never mind. but thank you |
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| 22:56.11 | cryptk | I give up... mouse still randomly freezing.. I am gonna try mint... |
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| 23:01.09 | cryptk | mint downloaded and loaded onto a hot-stick |
| 23:01.13 | cryptk | time to reboot and install |
| 23:04.30 | destinal | hmm, this I guess? http://www.linuxmint.com/ never heard of that distro before |
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| 23:07.15 | gkatsev | mint is pretty cool |
| 23:07.44 | gkatsev | for a true begginer, i will suggest mint because they have their own interface for gnome that makes it a bit easier to use than even ubuntu out of the box |
| 23:07.49 | gkatsev | but it is basically ubuntu. |
| 23:09.37 | destinal | ah, cool |
| 23:09.46 | swishy | yeah its a nice out of the box experience |
| 23:10.03 | swishy | has a few nie things around automagic prompting to install codecs etc too |
| 23:10.45 | gkatsev | yeah, it comes with all that by default as well |
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| 23:46.13 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 23:53.45 | jacques | morning rwhitby |
