| 00:01.41 | zsoc | rwhitby: so.. i need an icon |
| 00:01.48 | zsoc | rwhitby: not for the app, for the package |
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| 00:05.00 | zsoc | rwhitby: and i'm ridiculously lost with this autobuilder makefile, i'll no doubt need you to tidy it up when i push |
| 00:06.13 | FuMan | rwhitby, did i fail the URL test earlier? |
| 00:08.56 | rwhitby | FuMan: no, that's correct. Did you update feeds? |
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| 00:09.15 | rwhitby | zsoc: yep, or just use the default webos-internals icon until you get a better one. |
| 00:09.38 | rwhitby | zsoc: just push it in unreleased/gsmwav/Makefile and I'll take a look at it |
| 00:10.12 | rwhitby | sampson: the host key check is to prevent a remote host masquerading as the one you want to contact. |
| 00:10.40 | rwhitby | you're meant to check the fingerprint to verify the authenticity of the remote host, to prevent mitm attacks. |
| 00:11.57 | zsoc | rwhitby: oh, i have it in nonworking, i'll move it |
| 00:12.17 | rwhitby | zsoc: I guess nonworking is fine if it's not working yet |
| 00:12.21 | zsoc | :D |
| 00:17.55 | Robi_ | are there still any deals on the Pre or Pixi in the US? |
| 00:18.12 | zsoc | rwhitby: being a packaging monkey sucks :> |
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| 00:23.38 | sampson | rwhitby: the host check still occurs?? |
| 00:23.51 | sampson | if the key changes from the one in known_hosts sshpass will still fail |
| 00:24.05 | rwhitby | sampson: but the very first one is auto-accepted, no? |
| 00:24.19 | rwhitby | so you didn't check the fingerprint |
| 00:25.12 | zsoc | rwhitby: in the meantime, sanity check on my control files please |
| 00:25.30 | rwhitby | zsoc: they're in the source repo? |
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| 00:25.57 | zsoc | rwhitby: in gstcodec/gsmwav.git yeah |
| 00:26.06 | zsoc | s/gstcodec/gstcodecs/ |
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| 00:28.39 | zsoc | rwhitby: should i be calling this a plugin? i just realized that's probably the most obvious description |
| 00:29.54 | zsoc | rwhitby: what package am i depending on? org.webosinternals.widk? |
| 00:30.09 | sampson | rwhitby: feh |
| 00:30.27 | sampson | considering these servers are all on the same network internally which they use to access |
| 00:30.33 | sampson | to even own the script would require an owned box |
| 00:30.50 | sampson | which grsec or something else would notify me of first |
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| 00:33.04 | zsoc | rwhitby: build makefile pushed |
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| 00:33.35 | rwhitby | sampson: ok, so you're in a secure local network. |
| 00:33.37 | skinneejay | does anyone have a minute or two to help me out with a patch problem |
| 00:33.43 | jauderho | d |
| 00:34.04 | rwhitby | skinneejay: webos.pastebin.com the webos-patches.log file |
| 00:34.11 | jauderho | so is EFV to be run after or before updating to aupt3 |
| 00:35.04 | jauderho | ? |
| 00:36.38 | VincentLaw | wow this makes no sense |
| 00:36.38 | skinneejay | did I do that right? I'm a newbie when it comes to IRC stuff |
| 00:37.09 | VincentLaw | one mp3 will play in my app just fine, the other won't when called the exact same way, encoded the same way, and played in the same exact place >.> |
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| 00:37.44 | zsoc | skinneejay: do what right? you didn't seem to do anything... |
| 00:39.10 | skinneejay | I went to webos.pastebin.com and pasted in my webos patches log |
| 00:39.59 | gollyzila | Hi guys. I'm having a problem regarding a "stuck" patch. It's the Hide App Vendors patch that didn't uninstall completely, and now my App Catalog is not showing any apps. |
| 00:40.19 | zsoc | skinneejay: oh yes i see. generally it is customary to paste the url back in the channel ;) but yes we see it here |
| 00:40.35 | skinneejay | sorry. haha |
| 00:41.10 | skinneejay | I just don't know what to do with the 5 patches at the top of the log. |
| 00:41.23 | rwhitby | skinneejay: you need to paste the URL it gives you back here |
| 00:41.30 | destinal | zsoc: wait, do we have another emergency something ? |
| 00:41.45 | zsoc | destinal: huh? did you miscomplete me? |
| 00:41.55 | skinneejay | http://webos.pastebin.com/m2916d908 |
| 00:42.23 | destinal | zsoc: not miscomplete but maybe asking the wrong person :) |
| 00:42.40 | rwhitby | skinneejay: for any ca.canucksoftware.patches onces you need to use webos quick install to update them |
| 00:43.12 | skinneejay | I did install via quick install with 3.01 |
| 00:43.14 | rwhitby | for any aupt-1 patches, you should uninstall and reinstall |
| 00:43.25 | destinal | patching is horrible |
| 00:43.27 | destinal | awful |
| 00:43.34 | destinal | EFV? |
| 00:43.58 | skinneejay | That's the problem. I can't seem to find the aupt 1 patches on my phone. |
| 00:44.03 | skinneejay | They are not showing up at all. |
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| 00:46.34 | egaudet_ | install them then remove them. |
| 00:46.54 | skinneejay | for example the misc-launch brightness unlinked on luna was installed via preware and uninstalled with preware but still shows up in the log. |
| 00:49.26 | gollyzila | What should I do regarding my problem? Named pages, Hide App Vendors, and Landscape Messaging are all "stuck" patches. |
| 00:49.49 | skinneejay | is my best bet running an EPR and reinstall everything via preware and Quick install? |
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| 01:00.36 | zsoc | rwhitby: so how wrong are all my control files / packaging magic? |
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| 01:09.43 | rwhitby | zsoc: you forgot the usr/palm/applications part of the install path |
| 01:10.10 | Mousey | hypnotizes his pre into thinking it's a user-agent:iPhone |
| 01:10.18 | rwhitby | $IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT/usr/palm/applications/$PID/$GSMLIB |
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| 01:10.57 | destinal | Does webkit have anything as cool as XUL extensions? |
| 01:10.58 | rwhitby | zsoc: is the .a file required? |
| 01:11.18 | Robi_ | looks like the VZ pixi is free w/ contract |
| 01:11.19 | rwhitby | zsoc: how does Palm's gst-inspect know to look in /usr/local ? |
| 01:11.38 | zsoc | rwhitby: generally I would think no, but I seem to remember specifically that it's needed from xenoph0bes testing. |
| 01:11.53 | zsoc | rwhitby: and gst-inspect checks /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 |
| 01:12.02 | zsoc | rwhitby: which is why the dep is on the widk package |
| 01:12.10 | destinal | it looks like the webkit plugin API is not anything special, no reason I know of to use it over NPAPI, and still, no extensions (afaik) |
| 01:12.12 | rwhitby | zsoc: but not /usr/local/lib/gstreamer-0.10 ? |
| 01:12.34 | zsoc | rwhitby: yes, i see i forgot a /lib/ :p |
| 01:12.53 | zsoc | rwhitby: but no, gst-inspect looks to register from /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/ |
| 01:13.10 | rwhitby | zsoc: but we're installing into /usr/local/lib/gstreamer-0.10 |
| 01:13.15 | rwhitby | how will it see them there? |
| 01:13.19 | zsoc | rwhitby: bind mount won't take care of that? |
| 01:13.29 | rwhitby | zsoc: bind mount creates /usr/local/lib |
| 01:13.40 | zsoc | ponders |
| 01:14.24 | zsoc | rwhitby: so do i need to have this postinst make another bind mount? |
| 01:14.34 | rwhitby | zsoc: you can't bind mount over /usr/lib |
| 01:14.41 | zsoc | rwhitby: that's what i thought |
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| 01:14.54 | zsoc | rwhitby: and i can't install into /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 because... ? |
| 01:15.20 | rwhitby | zsoc: because /usr/lib is used by Palm |
| 01:15.36 | rwhitby | what if they decided to add a /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10 directory? |
| 01:15.46 | zsoc | rwhitby: that directory is already there |
| 01:15.49 | zsoc | rwhitby: but that file is not |
| 01:16.20 | rwhitby | zsoc: sounds like you want to drop a symlink into that existing directory then |
| 01:16.39 | zsoc | rwhitby: oh. ok then. |
| 01:16.47 | rwhitby | (and hope that Palm never releases a gsmwav file with a filename that collides with yours or all hell with break loose |
| 01:16.57 | rwhitby | zsoc: can you name your filename something with a unique name? |
| 01:17.24 | zsoc | thinks carefully |
| 01:17.26 | rwhitby | e.g. /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgsmwave-org-webosinternals-gstcodecs.so or something? |
| 01:17.40 | zsoc | rwhitby: yes, the name of the symlink is indifferent |
| 01:17.59 | rwhitby | zsoc: so how does gst-inspect find it? |
| 01:18.32 | zsoc | rwhitby: it loads every .so in the default gstreamer lib directory |
| 01:18.48 | zsoc | rwhitby: er, _tries_ to, and if there's an error, it spouts it out and goes to the next one |
| 01:19.10 | rwhitby | zsoc: sounds like you have a solution then. symlink it into there with a suitable packageid name |
| 01:19.28 | zsoc | rwhitby: k, i'm going to leave the file in /usr/local with the original binary name, if that's ok |
| 01:19.29 | rwhitby | zsoc: no need for the widk dependency then |
| 01:19.53 | zsoc | rwhitby: er... ok, and let me try to double test for the necessity for the other .a lib |
| 01:20.06 | rwhitby | zsoc: no, the original file just lives in /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.gstcodecs.*/... |
| 01:20.18 | zsoc | rwhitby: ah i see |
| 01:20.22 | zsoc | rwhitby: that makes more sense |
| 01:20.45 | rwhitby | and symlink that directly into /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgsmwav-org-webosinternals-gstcodecs.so (or some similar name that makes sense) |
| 01:20.51 | zsoc | rwhitby: i've never tried to register plugins from a symlinked crpytofs... i wonder what that would do |
| 01:21.05 | zsoc | guess i'll find out :) |
| 01:21.21 | rwhitby | zsoc: should be no different. you're not going to be trying to register or use when the USB drive is mounted (since you can't click on the screen) |
| 01:23.16 | egaudet_ | rpath won´t work? |
| 01:23.58 | rwhitby | egaudet_: gst-inspect is a palm binary, unchanged. |
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| 01:24.40 | egaudet_ | so let´s rebuild it... |
| 01:25.00 | destinal | egaudet_: I think we should avoid that if possible |
| 01:25.37 | destinal | avoid interaction problems in case of update |
| 01:26.24 | zsoc | rwhitby: not a palm binary, an untouched gstreamer utility/binary |
| 01:26.37 | zsoc | egaudet: and no, rebuilding it is a terrible idea, and won't work |
| 01:26.52 | zsoc | gst-inspect doesn't _do_ the registering, it just triggers it |
| 01:27.10 | zsoc | egaudet: anyway, thank you for your suggestion. symlink is the best idea here i believe. |
| 01:27.23 | egaudet_ | back to wirc |
| 01:28.04 | rwhitby | the symlink with a unique name solution seems safest in this instance. just like we do for service .jars and upstart scripts and profile.d scripts. |
| 01:28.11 | zsoc | rwhitby: gst-inspect is not my only worry either. typefind, decodebin, and other various magiks done by gstreamer core have to be able to follow the symlink properly also. I see no reason why it won't/cant, just never tried it |
| 01:28.15 | rwhitby | (so we know it's a safe solution) |
| 01:29.04 | rwhitby | zsoc: symlinks are preferred, unless you can prove that they simply will not work (as is proven for /etc/event.d scripts) - we don't want to fill up the / partition any more than we have to |
| 01:29.32 | zsoc | rwhitby: what I _CAN_ do however, for safety, is recompile the binary with a RANK 0, so if in the future palm adds a binary that does the same thing, even with a different name, their binary will get pulled first by typefind/decodebin |
| 01:30.10 | rwhitby | zsoc: that sounds perfect |
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| 01:31.01 | zsoc | rwhitby: luckily enough, in the case of gst plugins, the name of the binary can be completely arbitrary, it's the information registered. I suppose, in theory, I could even recompile the plugin using non-standard descriptors and origins, as to not stop an identical plugin of more 'original' nature from being registered along side of it |
| 01:31.33 | zsoc | You've gotten me thinking safety first, I think it's becoming an obsession D: |
| 01:39.03 | oil | gives zsoc an intervention |
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| 01:39.18 | zsoc | oil: what are you doing these days? |
| 01:39.31 | zsoc | oil: besides quips |
| 01:39.34 | oil | nothing really |
| 01:39.35 | oil | lol |
| 01:39.59 | zsoc | oil: well do something :P |
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| 01:40.16 | oil | eh |
| 01:40.35 | oil | i was thinking about making preware hide the price option if none of the packages have a price |
| 01:40.43 | oil | and, because i dont want to look at it |
| 01:40.48 | zsoc | genius |
| 01:40.50 | oil | lol |
| 01:41.56 | oil | but i upgraded to windows 7 so i gotta re-do all the git/sdk/etc stuff |
| 01:42.10 | zsoc | have fun with that |
| 01:42.17 | oil | lol |
| 01:43.54 | Mousey | struggles with jabber plugin |
| 01:44.07 | oil | tells mousey to get a room |
| 01:46.09 | Mousey | grr |
| 01:46.12 | diov6 | is anyone else seeing a bug in imageView on ares,where when you flick to the left/right photo you cannot flick back to the other left/right photo, only to the centre image |
| 01:46.41 | oil | is it a bug, or not using it correctly? |
| 01:47.26 | diov6 | I'm not sure, I've tried multiple times with the same results but maybe its just me |
| 01:50.00 | oil | http://tinyurl.com/y8fdtjg is how preware does it |
| 01:50.10 | oil | afaik it doesn't have that problem |
| 01:51.41 | diov6 | ok thanks, ares likes to do imageView with the palette automaticaly but ill try manual way |
| 01:51.52 | PuffTheMagic_ | oil: yo |
| 01:51.58 | oil | aye |
| 01:52.07 | PuffTheMagic_ | oil: is there a way to make a hyperlink purely in css |
| 01:52.16 | oil | no |
| 01:52.24 | PuffTheMagic_ | damn |
| 01:52.28 | oil | its either html or javascript |
| 01:52.37 | oil | an <a tag |
| 01:52.44 | oil | or onclick=dosomething |
| 01:52.53 | oil | css just determines how things look |
| 01:52.58 | oil | never how they act |
| 01:54.47 | oil | lol, i had to manually add java to my path to use the sdk |
| 01:54.58 | Tibfib | Puff: You could make it look like a link....it just wouldn't do anything |
| 01:55.15 | zsoc | PuffTheMagic_: hey, you asked a zsoc question |
| 01:59.49 | oil | oh, the tv show |
| 02:01.25 | PuffTheMagic_ | when |
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| 02:08.34 | zsoc | rwhitby: er... proper syntax for symlinking to a different name? do i have to touch it first? or just ln -s /path/binary-funnyname.so /path/originalbinary.so ? |
| 02:08.55 | Mousey | thats fine |
| 02:09.12 | Mousey | tho it's backwards |
| 02:09.17 | zsoc | .... |
| 02:09.19 | zsoc | then it's not fine |
| 02:09.33 | Mousey | ln -s /path/originalbinary.so /path/binary-funnyname.so |
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| 02:09.42 | zsoc | Mousey: ty |
| 02:09.45 | Mousey | np |
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| 02:11.45 | Mousey | no need to touch |
| 02:11.47 | Mousey | <_< |
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| 02:11.55 | zsoc | Mousey: yes i gathered :P |
| 02:11.57 | Mousey | ^_6 |
| 02:12.01 | Mousey | augh, my eye! |
| 02:12.06 | Mousey | i swear i don't do that on purpose |
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| 02:17.52 | Mousey | greaaaaaaat |
| 02:17.54 | Mousey | 2010-02-17T02:17:19.449127Z [581] palm-webos-device kern.warning kernel: [ 581.430000] EXT3-fs warning: maximal mount count reached, running e2fsck is recommended |
| 02:17.59 | Mousey | NOW WAT! D= |
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| 02:20.45 | Mousey | how do i fsck my filesystems? |
| 02:20.48 | Mousey | just reboot? |
| 02:21.07 | zsoc | Mousey: or... run e2fsck ? |
| 02:22.00 | Mousey | tries rebooting first |
| 02:25.42 | Mousey | didn't fsck on reboot |
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| 02:26.35 | Mousey | wonderful. doesn't tell me what fs either |
| 02:27.34 | zsoc | Mousey: i'm imaging ext3? |
| 02:27.39 | zsoc | imagining also |
| 02:27.42 | Mousey | yes |
| 02:27.45 | Mousey | but there's 3 |
| 02:27.53 | zsoc | Mousey: the 3rd, i assume |
| 02:28.16 | Mousey | um |
| 02:28.37 | Mousey | crap, there's 4 ext3 fs's |
| 02:28.52 | zsoc | rwhitby: sanity check on new control files plz |
| 02:29.03 | zsoc | Mousey: check all of them? |
| 02:29.09 | Mousey | live? |
| 02:29.12 | Mousey | bad idea |
| 02:29.55 | zsoc | "Don't worry about this message, though. It's perfectly normal. Even if you do cleanly shutdown every time, there's always that chance that some filesystem corruption has crept in. So each filesystem stores the number of times you've mounted it since you did an fsck (filesystem check) and automatically forces one at those points. " |
| 02:30.03 | Mousey | tune2fs is on there, so i could concievably set their mount counts to $ENORMOUS, and then reboot, but it doesn't seem that WebOS fsck's on reboot |
| 02:30.27 | zsoc | Mousey: probably true, since it's ssd they probably decided it's unnecessary... |
| 02:30.43 | Mousey | but SSD and filesystem realities disagreee! |
| 02:30.44 | rwhitby | zsoc: still missing the .../usr/palm/applications/... |
| 02:30.58 | zsoc | rwhitby: in the build Makefile you mean? |
| 02:31.05 | rwhitby | zsoc: in the postinst |
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| 02:31.10 | Mousey | how do i unpatch a patch that does't show up on the list? |
| 02:31.20 | rwhitby | and GSMLIB and LIBINSTALL vars are now superfluous |
| 02:31.41 | zsoc | rwhitby: i have a feeling i'm going to have to readd them |
| 02:31.47 | rwhitby | zsoc: and the ln -s will fail on an update, so you need to rm -f $GSTLIBSYM first |
| 02:32.02 | zsoc | rwhitby: tests on x86 on a drastically different filesystem show it has no external dependencies, but i believe otherwise on webos :P |
| 02:32.06 | rwhitby | (ln -s errors if the target already exists) |
| 02:32.12 | zsoc | rwhitby: k |
| 02:32.40 | rwhitby | zsoc: prerm has a typo - GSTGSMSYM vs GSTGSMLIB |
| 02:32.57 | zsoc | kk |
| 02:33.10 | rwhitby | zsoc: and the value doesn't match the postinst name |
| 02:33.16 | zsoc | (this is why he debugs things, and doesn't do anything from scratch) |
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| 02:33.59 | zsoc | dtzWill: yo |
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| 02:35.22 | raster | lurks |
| 02:36.54 | Mousey | wtf is (offline root mode: not running org.webosinternals.messagingpatch.prerm) |
| 02:37.10 | Mousey | waves fist! o/ |
| 02:37.49 | zsoc | rwhitby: one more time please :) |
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| 02:38.18 | zsoc | Mousey: ipkg doesn't run postinst's and prerm's with -o, which is the only way you can run it :) |
| 02:38.31 | zsoc | raster: lurking? in here? totally boring. you don't even have a webos phone :P |
| 02:38.58 | Mousey | zsoc: just noticing this in the --help |
| 02:39.00 | Mousey | that's pointless! |
| 02:39.14 | zsoc | Mousey: no it's not... |
| 02:39.16 | Mousey | grr |
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| 02:39.21 | raster | zsoc: i can still lurk! |
| 02:39.30 | rwhitby | Mousey: you need to run the script manually |
| 02:39.35 | zsoc | Mousey: that's why you need an "advanced installer" to use patches... |
| 02:39.38 | rwhitby | don't forget the IPKG_OFFLINE_ROOT var |
| 02:39.53 | zsoc | raster: yes, please do :) i just can't imagine it's too enjoyable lol |
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| 02:42.42 | Mousey | uses woqi, like a MAN |
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| 02:43.35 | knickrox13 | has anyone ever had a problem after doctoring where there is no dialtone? |
| 02:43.43 | knickrox13 | I can receive phone calls but can't hear anything or maybe talk myself |
| 02:43.45 | Mousey | sings o/' livin on the edge!! o/' |
| 02:43.46 | knickrox13 | but I can text fine |
| 02:43.58 | Mousey | reboot? |
| 02:44.02 | knickrox13 | just rebooted |
| 02:44.04 | knickrox13 | can't update prl |
| 02:44.12 | destinal-wirc | Mousey: did you get into some situation where you needed fsck? |
| 02:44.16 | zsoc | has never had a dialtone... |
| 02:44.27 | knickrox13 | haha @zsoc |
| 02:44.41 | Mousey | destinal-wirc: i was tailing /var/log/messages, and it says the/some FS(es) have reached maximal mount count |
| 02:45.00 | Mousey | they're ext3, so it means not /media |
| 02:45.12 | destinal-wirc | ah |
| 02:45.20 | Mousey | *worry* |
| 02:45.53 | destinal-wirc | ext3 doesn't need that much |
| 02:46.19 | Mousey | ext3 will be eaten by bears if you're not nice with it |
| 02:46.26 | zsoc | fsck is for sissies ;) |
| 02:46.48 | Mousey | it makes me curious what the phone's policy for fs sanitation is |
| 02:46.58 | destinal-wirc | you could boot installer uimage and fsck if feel better |
| 02:47.17 | Mousey | i'm not sure that was a complete sentence |
| 02:47.57 | destinal-wirc | on pre |
| 02:48.05 | Mousey | pluse i've been writing to it a LOT today |
| 02:48.05 | destinal-wirc | gimme a break |
| 02:48.09 | Mousey | plus, even |
| 02:48.16 | destinal-wirc | :P |
| 02:48.29 | Mousey | writing and rebooting and luna restarting |
| 02:48.35 | Mousey | is headed for a crash |
| 02:48.37 | Mousey | ;_; |
| 02:49.14 | destinal-wirc | you could have bootie boot the installer image doctor uses, over usb |
| 02:49.18 | destinal-wirc | novaterm in |
| 02:49.26 | destinal-wirc | run fsck by hand |
| 02:49.45 | zsoc | LIVE BOOTING WEBOS? |
| 02:49.48 | zsoc | THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE |
| 02:49.50 | Mousey | hawt |
| 02:50.02 | destinal-wirc | check last resort page |
| 02:50.13 | destinal-wirc | just skip omap3 usb boot |
| 02:50.27 | destinal-wirc | and go to novacom boot step |
| 02:50.35 | zsoc | wishes rwhitby didn't actually have a job, and could check his git pushes in an unreasonably fast manner |
| 02:50.37 | zsoc | We need a bot to replace rod |
| 02:50.57 | zsoc | who can sanchk pushes/pastebins, and build testing feed packages |
| 02:52.09 | Mousey | great. now the phone radio is wigging out |
| 02:52.14 | Mousey | i think it's time to go home |
| 02:52.16 | Mousey | ttyl |
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| 02:56.32 | rwhitby | zsoc: actually, it would be good if you could test the packages yourself before asking (e.g. use webos quick install to test installing and removing them and seeing if postinst and prerm works) |
| 02:57.19 | zsoc | rwhitby: there we go, a useful doityourself solution |
| 02:57.29 | zsoc | has never used the palm sdk and has no idea how to package things |
| 02:57.54 | rwhitby | zsoc: "make package" in the build.git will get you a package that wosqi can install and remove |
| 02:58.02 | zsoc | genius |
| 02:58.02 | zsoc | ty |
| 02:58.08 | zsoc | goes back to his corner |
| 02:58.36 | rwhitby | notes that there are intentionally extremely few things that depend solely on rwhitby |
| 02:59.03 | zsoc | notes this |
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| 03:06.18 | some_guy987142 | greetings. |
| 03:06.33 | zsoc | yello |
| 03:08.08 | some_guy987142 | per http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Updating_webOS_Versions I am trying to get a list of preware installed apps and patches from the shell. |
| 03:08.10 | some_guy987142 | But I'm not seeing what I expect to when I run `/usr/bin/ipkg -o / list_installed`, any ideas? |
| 03:09.04 | some_guy987142 | I want to install the "quiet powerd Messages" patch from a remote shell on my other phone, but I don't even see it listed on the phone it's already installed on, any ideas? |
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| 03:09.45 | rwhitby | zsoc: GSTLIBSYM in postinst and GSTGSMSYM in prerm should probably be the same thing, which might correct the reversed letters in the value |
| 03:10.00 | zsoc | rwhitby: ha, ty |
| 03:10.14 | rwhitby | some_guy987142: you need -o /media/cryptofs/apps |
| 03:10.19 | zsoc | also "error: pathspec 'v1.0' did not match any file(s) known to git.".. guess i'll check the .json |
| 03:10.55 | rwhitby | some_guy987142: I updated the wiki page |
| 03:11.13 | rwhitby | zsoc: you need to git tag the source repo and git push --tags |
| 03:11.27 | zsoc | ah, right, ty |
| 03:11.58 | rwhitby | zsoc: regarding the variable names and values, I'm a big believer in consistency. if something is not consistent, it is usually wrong. |
| 03:12.21 | some_guy987142 | humm, that doesn't return anything, with /var or / I do get a list of packages, but maybe it's old/other stuff as I have an old dropbear shell installed? would that cause problems? |
| 03:12.54 | rwhitby | some_guy987142: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed |
| 03:14.23 | egaudet-wirc | if you have anything in /var list_installed you should run emh |
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| 03:15.06 | rwhitby | egaudet-wirc: so no issues found with aupt-3 overnight? |
| 03:15.28 | egaudet-wirc | not that I see |
| 03:15.31 | rwhitby | cool |
| 03:15.33 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 03:16.21 | some_guy987142 | Nope, I get nothing with that, but this works, just don't see things I expect to see: $ ipkg -o / list_installed | grep power pmmodempower - 1.0-5 - Simple shell script to power on/off/cycle the modem powerd - 1.0.0-167.6 - Palm powerd daemon $ ipkg -o /var list_installed | grep -c "" 2 ipkg -o / list_installed | grep -c "" 511 |
| 03:16.35 | some_guy987142 | 2 in /var |
| 03:16.39 | some_guy987142 | 511 in / |
| 03:16.48 | some_guy987142 | what is emh? |
| 03:17.08 | some_guy987142 | `which emh` returns nothing. |
| 03:18.50 | egaudet_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.12 | some_guy987142 | ya, that's what it's looking like.. |
| 03:19.13 | egaudet_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.18 | zsoc | "[: 166: Linux: unexpected operator" <-- during build. normal autobuilder stuff? ipk still got made... |
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| 03:19.33 | egaudet_ | EMH (Emergency Migration Helper) is a package that can be found/installed by preware |
| 03:19.43 | some_guy987142 | I must have missed the migration then.... |
| 03:19.45 | some_guy987142 | auhh.. |
| 03:19.58 | egaudet_ | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed should show you any homebrew and app cat apps in 1.3.5 or later |
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| 03:22.18 | some_guy987142 | under which branch in Preware do i find EMH? |
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| 03:23.05 | zsoc | some_guy987142: just search list of everything for 'emer' |
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| 03:23.14 | some_guy987142 | nvm, found under "list of everything"... forgot.. |
| 03:25.17 | zsoc | I love the speeds i get off Palm servers |
| 03:25.22 | zsoc | downloading a doctor is actually fun |
| 03:25.56 | some_guy987142 | Is it normal to need to use EMH for: OS 1.1 (dropbear, etc) -> OS1.2 -> OS1.3.5.1 -> Installed Preware for first time -> installed stuff ? |
| 03:26.32 | zsoc | normal is a funny word |
| 03:27.27 | some_guy987142 | Perhaps I should just Dr the thing, but I hate to do that |
| 03:30.15 | some_guy987142 | well thanks for all the help... |
| 03:30.23 | some_guy987142 | I'll give all that a shot... |
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| 03:31.31 | zsoc | In case anyone was wondering... it's a REALLY bad idea to run wosqi with the Open JDK and the Sun RTE at the same time |
| 03:33.23 | destinal-home | LOTS of things don't seem to like anything but sun's |
| 03:34.15 | some_guy987142 | Say, can I run the EMH thing from the shell? like to see words fly pas on the screen!! |
| 03:34.40 | some_guy987142 | It might ask me about my custom configurations?? |
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| 03:34.56 | zsoc | destinal-home: it runs in either. just don't run 1 instance in both lol |
| 03:35.23 | some_guy987142 | Know what the shell command line might be to start EMH? |
| 03:36.48 | _lance_ | weird question: anyone know of a calendaring and/or contacts server that the pre will recognize? |
| 03:37.01 | _lance_ | lightweight and runs on linux preferably |
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| 03:37.46 | zsoc | afaik nothing out of the box. there are some applications being developed, but i believe they are based on rsync. |
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| 03:38.10 | _lance_ | oh? any names for me to google? |
| 03:38.21 | zsoc | _lance_: you could use the "send all contacts" patch to email yourself the vcards for all your contacts |
| 03:38.45 | _lance_ | i've been looking at setting up a MAPI-providing server, but everything is either overkill and pricey and too heavy.. or too unfinished |
| 03:39.05 | zsoc | _lance_: i believe this project: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=services/saverestore.git;a=summary <-- is made to back up many things... but it's rwhitby's project, you'd have to ask him about it |
| 03:39.10 | _lance_ | ah.. what i really want right now is to be able to toss a bunch of contacts onto my phone, without keying it all in via the pre keyboard |
| 03:39.27 | _lance_ | my pre has all of 2 phone numbers in it right now |
| 03:39.28 | zsoc | _lance_: the pre accepts/install contacts via vcards, as well |
| 03:39.33 | destinal-home | _lance_: and you're opposed to the cloud? |
| 03:39.33 | _lance_ | oh, cool |
| 03:39.54 | zsoc | _lance_: oh, you could download the old palm desktop software, key everything in (or import it), and then use palm's webOS migration tool to send it all to the Pre |
| 03:39.58 | destinal-home | is happy with gmail |
| 03:40.24 | _lance_ | destinal-home: not really, but facebook creeped me out again. |
| 03:40.40 | _lance_ | google too, with buzz |
| 03:40.49 | zsoc | Originally, when I got my Pre, I bluetoothed my contacts to a "bitpim compatible" phone... exported from bitpim. imported to palm desktop. migrated to webos/pre. |
| 03:41.10 | _lance_ | i still use dropbox and a crashplan |
| 03:41.12 | zsoc | _lance_: i agree at the creepyness. especially the idea that you can't delete your facebook or the info on it |
| 03:41.30 | _lance_ | zsoc: you can delete your facebook now. |
| 03:41.48 | _lance_ | it's just not as visible as the 'deactivate' link |
| 03:42.09 | zsoc | _lance_: Ah, I would like to look into that. I have an old cruft of a facebook left from when you couldn't delete it. |
| 03:42.23 | _lance_ | http://www.facebook.com/help/contact.php?show_form=delete_account |
| 03:42.30 | zsoc | ty |
| 03:42.34 | _lance_ | then don't log in for 14 days and it'll get purged |
| 03:42.35 | _lance_ | np |
| 03:42.39 | zsoc | goes back to figuring out why his binaries aren't getting packaged |
| 03:42.43 | egaudet_ | some_guy987142, itÅ the same as any advanced homebrew. EMH doesnt do a lot, it simply makes fake appinfo.json files for things in /var/usr/palm/applications/ because the palm app migration process fails when they don exist |
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| 03:55.46 | zsoc | rwhitby: something's breaking in my build... binaries aren't getting included in the .ipk |
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| 04:07.04 | zsoc | rwhitby: fixed it. i'm an idiot as usual :) |
| 04:16.52 | zsoc | arg, why in the world would i make a postinst that didn't mount the fs writable |
| 04:16.53 | zsoc | bah |
| 04:17.58 | zsoc | Wait, is wosqi supposed to do that? |
| 04:20.39 | rwhitby | zsoc: yep |
| 04:20.55 | rwhitby | zsoc: GSTLIBSYM still has different values in postinst and prerm |
| 04:21.35 | VincentLaw | so, I guess this is a bug in the audio system of webos |
| 04:21.36 | zsoc | rwhitby: crap it does |
| 04:21.38 | zsoc | arg |
| 04:21.47 | zsoc | VincentLaw: i'm not sure what you are talking about, but I think i know all of those |
| 04:22.01 | VincentLaw | because I literally cannot get webos to play my set of 4 sound effects reliably |
| 04:22.05 | zsoc | rwhitby: this isn't my cup of tea, I am not a packaging guru :( but alas, i shall prevail |
| 04:22.30 | rwhitby | zsoc: it's a rite of passage |
| 04:22.31 | VincentLaw | no matter what I do, it will never, ever, ever play all four of the sounds like it's supposed to. it will simply pretend to play one of them, but end up silent |
| 04:22.35 | rwhitby | zsoc: revel in it |
| 04:22.51 | zsoc | VincentLaw: stop mediaserver && mediaserver -l --gst-inspect=3 |
| 04:22.55 | VincentLaw | I'm pretty much furious with this thing now >.> |
| 04:23.06 | zsoc | VincentLaw: then try to play the sounds like you think they should work |
| 04:23.11 | zsoc | VincentLaw: then pastebin log |
| 04:24.08 | VincentLaw | what's really fun is that every once in a while? it'll work. code will be /identical/ but on some app launches, it will not work right |
| 04:24.30 | zsoc | rwhitby: is there a clobber for the downloads folder? |
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| 04:24.56 | VincentLaw | zsoc |
| 04:24.59 | VincentLaw | that did nothing |
| 04:25.02 | VincentLaw | nothing appears |
| 04:25.07 | zsoc | VincentLaw: nothing? |
| 04:25.10 | VincentLaw | even when it does play something |
| 04:25.11 | VincentLaw | yes |
| 04:25.21 | zsoc | VincentLaw: hm.. how are you playing the sounds? |
| 04:25.30 | VincentLaw | by nothing I mean nothing after its usual output when mediaserver starts up |
| 04:25.46 | VincentLaw | using: |
| 04:26.08 | VincentLaw | slots.AudioSpin = new Audio(); slots.AudioSpin.src = Mojo.appPath + "audio/spin.mp3"; slots.AudioSpin.play(); |
| 04:26.27 | VincentLaw | I have 4 sets of audio objects |
| 04:26.33 | VincentLaw | that's an example of one |
| 04:26.40 | zsoc | VincentLaw: How am I supposed to know how mojo accesses the audio? |
| 04:26.49 | VincentLaw | I dunno? |
| 04:26.53 | zsoc | and furthermore, why are you asking in here? :p |
| 04:26.59 | VincentLaw | because no one in webos knows >.> |
| 04:27.07 | zsoc | if it doesn't use mediaserver, I know of no other binary/method that plays audio through alsasink |
| 04:27.30 | zsoc | aplay? i'm sure there are others, just not sure what Audio() uses |
| 04:27.44 | VincentLaw | me either. I just can't understand why it only works /sometimes/ |
| 04:27.48 | zsoc | it may behoove you (And others) to find out |
| 04:27.58 | rwhitby | zsoc: no clobber, just rm the file and it will re-download |
| 04:27.58 | zsoc | well you won't know why it works /sometimes/ without a log seeing what's happening |
| 04:28.09 | zsoc | rwhitby: yes yes i know, but it involves pointing back a few folders ;) |
| 04:28.21 | VincentLaw | zsoc: and I don't know of any log that does. As far as the debugger is concerned, it is playing. |
| 04:31.05 | rwhitby | zsoc: postinst and prerm look good |
| 04:32.16 | zsoc | VincentLaw: well you're in -internals so you're going to get the -internals answer. Audio() must do something. There's no framework set up for playing audio outside of binaries in /usr/bin (that I can find). There has to be a native binary accessing the audio. afaik, that doesn't happen outside of gstreamer. There may be some alsa util somewhere, but i don't know where (again, outside of aplay) |
| 04:32.38 | zsoc | it's possible Audio() uses aplay, but i don't know enough about alsa to know how to debug it that way.... and honestly, i think it's a debug tool to begin with, so that would be pretty lame |
| 04:33.19 | VincentLaw | yea and I appreciate the help. its just infuriating for something so simple and documented not to work >.> |
| 04:33.36 | zsoc | VincentLaw: but more likely, since there are no major audio bugs i know of in this "documented" system, it's probably your java script :P |
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| 04:33.46 | VincentLaw | I don't see how |
| 04:33.56 | zsoc | did you take sugardaves advice? |
| 04:34.36 | VincentLaw | about the setTimeout? not even relevant, I removed the timeouts |
| 04:34.49 | VincentLaw | I stripped this thing to the bare minimum |
| 04:35.09 | VincentLaw | I've stepped through the code line by line, right up to where the .play() call happens, and the debugger says it plays |
| 04:35.41 | zsoc | interesting |
| 04:35.55 | zsoc | i would complain through an official mechanism |
| 04:36.17 | VincentLaw | that's my first thing on my todo for tomorrow |
| 04:44.38 | zsoc | rwhitby: there's something else wrong. removing the download file forces a pull from the git again, but it doesn't include the updated postinst (it's packaging an old one).. is there another location of one of those tar'd files? or git branches? |
| 04:45.30 | zsoc | oh, it's a tag thing |
| 04:45.30 | zsoc | bah |
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| 04:47.27 | mikepre | hi there, was wondering what app/criteria is used to put the list of patches installed in the webosinternals.patches.packages file? i have one in there that is not updated to aupt-3 and I cannot find it anywhere on my pre, checked apps dir on crypt and /usr/palm |
| 04:49.43 | rwhitby | mikepre: the postinst file for each patch updates that file |
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| 04:50.27 | zsoc | rwhitby: holy crap i think it works |
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| 04:52.16 | mikepre | okay, so if I cannot find any remnants of a patch on my pre, is it ok to remove it from the list for cleanup? I have this one ca.canucksoftware.patches.PDF-Hide-Header that was a patch i had on their quite some time ago |
| 04:52.43 | zsoc | rwhitby: so... if I move it to unreleased, you have to build it manually right? |
| 04:53.03 | rwhitby | zsoc: yep, I'm gatekeeper on the testing feed. |
| 04:53.27 | rwhitby | mikepre: webos quick install would have installed that one |
| 04:53.35 | zsoc | rwhitby: er, how do i 'move' it exactly? won't adding it in that location also leave it in the other one? |
| 04:53.49 | rwhitby | zsoc: git mb |
| 04:53.51 | rwhitby | git mv |
| 04:53.56 | zsoc | oh, genius |
| 04:53.56 | rwhitby | (the latter) |
| 04:55.16 | zsoc | hmm... changes to be commited are "renamed: ../nonworking/gsmwav/Makefile -> gsmwav/Makefile" |
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| 04:55.19 | zsoc | that doesn't seem right |
| 04:55.31 | zsoc | oh, it's relative to the folder i'm in |
| 04:55.45 | zsoc | better |
| 04:55.47 | destinal-home | zsoc: like "mv" |
| 04:55.48 | destinal-home | :) |
| 04:55.58 | zsoc | destinal-home: thanks desty. |
| 04:56.03 | zsoc | destinal-home: you always make things so clear |
| 04:56.04 | zsoc | :p |
| 04:56.09 | destinal-home | zsoc: any time ;) |
| 04:57.44 | ka6sox | rick_home: ping? |
| 04:57.58 | zsoc | rwhitby: ok, moved. please build for testing feed, O great and wonderful gatekeeper :> |
| 04:59.23 | rwhitby | zsoc: Type != Application |
| 04:59.47 | zsoc | rwhitby: crap |
| 04:59.52 | zsoc | 1 sec |
| 05:00.36 | zsoc | rwhitby: GstCodecs ? |
| 05:00.41 | zsoc | Codecs? |
| 05:02.11 | rwhitby | zsoc: Applications is reserved for webOS Applications |
| 05:02.27 | zsoc | I'm not so sure what the makefile "Type" is referring to. |
| 05:02.34 | zsoc | catagory? |
| 05:02.42 | zsoc | no, that's different... |
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| 05:04.01 | rwhitby | Type is like Application, Patch, Service, Plugin, Linux Application, Linux Daemon, Optware, ... |
| 05:04.15 | zsoc | so.. Plugin? :p |
| 05:04.24 | rwhitby | yeah, I think Plugin is best |
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| 05:04.35 | rwhitby | just like termplugin |
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| 05:04.46 | rwhitby | but a GStreamer Plugin rather than a Browser Plugin |
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| 05:05.01 | rwhitby | So Type: Plugin |
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| 05:05.24 | rwhitby | Category: GStreamer Codec ? |
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| 05:05.41 | zsoc | what's wrong with Codecs? |
| 05:05.41 | rwhitby | Audio Codecs ? |
| 05:05.54 | rwhitby | mere mortal doesn't know what a codec is |
| 05:05.55 | zsoc | this is semantics :P |
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| 05:06.36 | rwhitby | zsoc: Are there any other kinds of codecs on the device? |
| 05:06.43 | VincentLaw | hey zsoc you still there? |
| 05:06.51 | zsoc | VincentLaw: not really :P |
| 05:06.53 | VincentLaw | I think I might have gleaned something from messages :p |
| 05:07.06 | zsoc | rwhitby: there are.. many codecs |
| 05:07.15 | rwhitby | zsoc: but kinds of codecs? |
| 05:07.39 | zsoc | rwhitby: gst and ffmpeg, audio and video, generally |
| 05:07.40 | VincentLaw | This may come out as 3 lines :/ |
| 05:07.41 | VincentLaw | 2010-02-17T05:05:54.824249Z [12420] palm-webos-device user.notice mediaserver: UPDATE: error(40101): sending 'm.Error' with 'Stream contains no data.' (debug 'gsttypefindelement.c(785): gst_type_find_element_activate (): /GstPipeline:pipeline33/GstDecodeBin2:decodebin233/GstTypeFindElement:typefind: Can't typefind empty stream') |
| 05:07.41 | rwhitby | i.e. apart from gst codecs, what other types of codecs are there on the device |
| 05:07.44 | zsoc | that's a super generalzation tho :P |
| 05:07.52 | VincentLaw | that mean anything special to you, zsoc? :p |
| 05:07.55 | zsoc | ffmpeg codecs _sort_ of exist |
| 05:07.56 | rwhitby | So "Audio Codecs" then ? |
| 05:08.09 | zsoc | VincentLaw: yes, your stream contains no data |
| 05:08.14 | zsoc | rwhitby: yeah, I suppose |
| 05:08.16 | zsoc | will push... again |
| 05:08.16 | rwhitby | or even "Audio Plugins" |
| 05:08.19 | VincentLaw | cries |
| 05:08.25 | zsoc | fine, Audio Plugins :P |
| 05:08.49 | VincentLaw | What I don't get is /why/ it contains no data. the mp3 sure isn't empty, as it manages to play it quite often >.> |
| 05:08.51 | zsoc | VincentLaw: I need more info than that, I need to _rest_ of that gstreamer log. Notice how it's a mediaserver log? That means that it _is_ using mediaserver, so try it again. |
| 05:09.30 | VincentLaw | yeah I get that, but your command is not spitting out anything :/ |
| 05:10.34 | zsoc | rwhitby: ok, now you can build it :P |
| 05:11.23 | VincentLaw | zsoc: you sure this is right? mediaserver -l --gst-inspect=3 |
| 05:11.30 | zsoc | VincentLaw: stop mediaserver && mediaserver -l --gst-debug=3 |
| 05:11.33 | zsoc | VincentLaw: typo :p sorry |
| 05:11.37 | VincentLaw | facepalms |
| 05:11.38 | VincentLaw | lol |
| 05:11.39 | zsoc | VincentLaw: i haven't sleep in almost 2 days |
| 05:11.46 | VincentLaw | is ok at least its not me :p |
| 05:11.48 | zsoc | VincentLaw: they have to be on the same line |
| 05:11.54 | VincentLaw | yeah I know |
| 05:11.58 | VincentLaw | mediaserver's stopped already |
| 05:11.58 | zsoc | VincentLaw: otherwise webos restarts mediaserver before you do :p |
| 05:12.18 | VincentLaw | now lets try my app lawl |
| 05:12.20 | rwhitby | zsoc: will this work on a pixi ? |
| 05:12.24 | zsoc | VincentLaw: you're becoming a webos audio master |
| 05:12.27 | zsoc | rwhitby: no reason why it won't |
| 05:12.41 | zsoc | rwhitby: but i need testers, many... i don't even use a gsmwav voicemail system myself :P |
| 05:12.52 | rwhitby | zsoc: do an armv7 -> armv6 in the source repo, and then add armv6 to the build |
| 05:13.08 | zsoc | stabs himself |
| 05:13.29 | VincentLaw | well that was useless. only time this debug output moves is when it actually plays the audio :/ |
| 05:13.47 | zsoc | I honestly don't even know what that means. So i'm going to have to look at other packages to figure out how. Then change things. Then push again. |
| 05:13.49 | zsoc | I want to sleep :( |
| 05:13.53 | zsoc | VincentLaw: that's not useless |
| 05:13.59 | zsoc | VincentLaw: now we know the problem is in mojo framework |
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| 05:15.03 | zsoc | VincentLaw: gst-debug=2 will only show warns and errors if you want to do more testing with less gibberish |
| 05:16.11 | VincentLaw | that is so odd |
| 05:16.21 | VincentLaw | according to mediaserver it only even loads one of my files |
| 05:16.22 | zsoc | rwhitby: by armv7 -> armv6 you mean symlinking the /binaries folder? |
| 05:16.29 | VincentLaw | doesn't even bother loading the mp3s of the other ones |
| 05:17.06 | zsoc | VincentLaw: there's a severe lack of multithreading for audio on webos, that could be part of the issue |
| 05:17.16 | rwhitby | zsoc: yep |
| 05:17.34 | VincentLaw | maybe I should chain my audio defines with big timeouts? |
| 05:17.40 | zsoc | has a sudden urge to rewrite the mojo manual... backwards |
| 05:17.42 | zsoc | VincentLaw: try it |
| 05:17.54 | zsoc | VincentLaw: heck, you can literally time the gst logs ;) |
| 05:19.01 | VincentLaw | I wonder how many lines of code you can put in one timeout lawl |
| 05:20.47 | zsoc | VincentLaw: i'm sure there's a 'sleep' routine in javascript? |
| 05:20.57 | VincentLaw | uh, no there isn't, actually |
| 05:21.06 | VincentLaw | and in fact, attempting to do so would lock up the app :/ |
| 05:21.14 | zsoc | .... |
| 05:21.18 | zsoc | I am _never_ |
| 05:21.19 | zsoc | _ever_ |
| 05:21.24 | zsoc | making a standard mojo app |
| 05:21.43 | VincentLaw | there's only setTimeout(snippit, time) which causes it to run snippit js code after time ms. |
| 05:21.48 | zsoc | maybe something for the catalog eventually.... but it'll be pdk driven |
| 05:22.39 | zsoc | I think I'm going to release an official pay app, in the catalog, that's opensource. |
| 05:23.03 | zsoc | I want to truly see how important convenience is to people, if it's polished well enough |
| 05:23.19 | zsoc | Purchase price will be "suggested donation" :p |
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| 05:25.23 | zsoc | rwhitby: bah, you pushed something :p |
| 05:25.38 | rwhitby | zsoc: yes, that happens a lot :-) |
| 05:25.45 | rwhitby | git pull first |
| 05:26.03 | zsoc | yes i realize this, was just complaining ;) |
| 05:26.12 | zsoc | then it gives a silly merge message :p |
| 05:26.37 | zsoc | rwhitby: ok, pushed |
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| 05:28.36 | rwhitby | zsoc: git pull |
| 05:29.11 | zsoc | rwhitby: always cleaning my stuff :p |
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| 05:30.51 | rwhitby | zsoc: in the postinst, replace binaries/armv7 with just bin |
| 05:31.03 | zsoc | bin? |
| 05:31.04 | zsoc | why? |
| 05:31.13 | rwhitby | zsoc: and then make the build Makefile put the correct binaries/armv7 or binaries/armv6 into the bin dir |
| 05:31.25 | zsoc | boggles |
| 05:31.27 | zsoc | why |
| 05:31.42 | rwhitby | so that your postinst will work on both armv7 and armv6 and i686 even |
| 05:32.03 | jacques | so we really don't have the webos-internals logo any bigger than a 135x135 pixel bitmap? |
| 05:32.05 | rwhitby | each ipkg has a single binary, in the ../bin dir, of the correct architecture type |
| 05:32.16 | zsoc | i see |
| 05:32.27 | rwhitby | jacques: correct. we need to create one that is scaleable |
| 05:33.38 | jacques | do we have any sort of starting point? |
| 05:33.54 | rwhitby | just made a small plastic modification to a Motorola S605 bluetooth stereo adapter with a soldering iron to disable the FM radio functionality :-) |
| 05:34.15 | rwhitby | jacques: tux svg on wikipedia, palm phone from anywhere, and screwdriver from anywhere |
| 05:34.59 | jacques | pre in vector form will be the hard part |
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| 05:38.40 | rwhitby | jacques: someone found a large png |
| 05:39.23 | jacques | yeah that would work |
| 05:39.45 | rwhitby | jacques: e.g. http://labs.v3.co.uk/UK_Palm%20Pre_FrontOpen-Coral.jpg |
| 05:39.59 | rwhitby | http://www.unequalledmagazine.com/wp-content/gallery/palm-palm-pre-smartphone/palm-pre_leftclosed-cardviewphone-tif.jpg |
| 05:40.09 | rwhitby | http://news.vzw.com/images/releases/Palm-Pre%20Plus_Front-H4-Web.jpg |
| 05:40.15 | rwhitby | http://www.webosarena.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Palm_Pre_Plus_2z.jpg |
| 05:40.38 | jacques | hmm. I don't like this finding tux svgs which require mentioning people |
| 05:40.43 | psykoz | holy crap that is a hires image |
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| 05:40.57 | zsoc | rwhitby: i made the source repo fix, i don't suppose to can fix the makefile for me when you have a moment? I need to be going... |
| 05:41.08 | rwhitby | zsoc: yep, i can do that |
| 05:41.11 | jacques | jpg :-\ |
| 05:41.16 | zsoc | rwhitby: thank you super muchly :) |
| 05:41.32 | zsoc | a learning experience this was u.u |
| 05:41.35 | zsoc | night all |
| 05:41.58 | oil | pushed something to preware for first time in just over 2 months |
| 05:42.05 | oil | lol |
| 05:42.13 | rwhitby | zsoc: did you retag ? |
| 05:42.34 | zsoc | rwhitby: ugh |
| 05:42.39 | zsoc | rwhitby: no, i'll do that first |
| 05:43.20 | rwhitby | oil: awesome |
| 05:43.27 | zsoc | rwhitby: ok, done |
| 05:44.05 | Kyusaku | oil greasing the development wheels |
| 05:45.16 | jacques | The copyright holder of this file allows anyone to use it for any purpose, provided that the copyright holders Larry Ewing, Simon Budig and Anja Gerwinski are mentioned. |
| 05:45.19 | jacques | jeez |
| 05:47.57 | rwhitby | jacques: we can write it on the back of the banner |
| 05:48.17 | rwhitby | zsoc: released to testing feed. |
| 05:48.35 | jacques | rwhitby: lol |
| 05:49.55 | ka6sox | rwhitby: Thats EXACTLY what I'm going to do. |
| 05:50.45 | jacques | hmm I could probably use a pixi image too (I'm working on slides) |
| 05:51.28 | ka6sox | rick is helping me with the Banner Logo. |
| 05:51.35 | ka6sox | is NOT a Graphic Artist |
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| 05:52.16 | ka6sox | I've found all the elements but I'm having trouble putting it together. |
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| 05:52.55 | BoomerET | Are you really ka6sox? |
| 05:53.37 | ka6sox | hmmm..how to answer that question. |
| 05:53.47 | BoomerET | I'm Nate RRV |
| 05:53.49 | jacques | yeah ... :-\ |
| 05:53.52 | ka6sox | technically my station is ka6sox. |
| 05:54.02 | jacques | good answer |
| 05:54.15 | ka6sox | hiya Nate... |
| 05:54.28 | jacques | rwhitby: et al, what are the most popular webos patches? |
| 05:54.42 | oil | oh what, earthworm jim on webos? |
| 05:54.44 | oil | downloads |
| 05:54.48 | BoomerET | Square corners? :) |
| 05:55.00 | ka6sox | BoomerET what District are you in? |
| 05:55.04 | jacques | there's a patch for that? |
| 05:55.18 | BoomerET | Look me up, I'm good in the book. |
| 05:55.45 | ka6sox | n6? |
| 05:55.53 | BoomerET | Nate |
| 05:55.56 | BoomerET | n8 |
| 05:56.22 | jacques | gameloft is killing on the Pre |
| 05:56.44 | BoomerET | Crap, I thought I updated my address, it's still my old address at arrl. |
| 05:56.51 | BoomerET | Time to visit the FCC again. |
| 05:56.52 | rwhitby | jacques: precentral had a front-page article on that |
| 05:57.58 | Kyusaku | someone mentioned that gameloft's games are almost twice the size on the Pre compared to the iPhone |
| 05:58.17 | ka6sox | BoomerET, thats a Pleasant place to live :D |
| 05:58.22 | jacques | rwhitby: popular patches? good call |
| 05:58.32 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 05:58.59 | jacques | Kyusaku: weird |
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| 06:00.53 | Kyusaku | jacques: admittedly I think he was comparing download sizes, and the iPhone packages could just have better compression |
| 06:01.01 | jacques | Kyusaku: looking at assassin's creed, it's 90+% art - textures, sprites, objects, sound |
| 06:01.29 | jacques | the binary is 1.1M |
| 06:01.35 | jacques | not stripped |
| 06:01.48 | jacques | out of 114.1M |
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| 06:06.27 | Kyusaku | "Earthworm Jim download is about 230MB for the Pre. For the iPhone its 111MB. Avatar is 229MB of the Pre and 189MB for the iPhone." |
| 06:07.27 | oil | well, at least its installing apps on the media partition, lols |
| 06:08.28 | Kyusaku | I wonder how much space I have left on my phone |
| 06:08.47 | Kyusaku | I only have a couple 3D games |
| 06:09.11 | ka6sox | Kyusaku, probably better resolution :D |
| 06:10.22 | Kyusaku | maybe |
| 06:13.27 | jacques | you'd probably have to jailbreak an iphone to compare the installed apps |
| 06:13.53 | jacques | maybe iphone can tell you how much flash space an app is using |
| 06:15.16 | Kyusaku | yeah like how the app info lets you do that on the pre |
| 06:15.47 | Kyusaku | when you orange+tap an icon |
| 06:16.06 | jacques | neat I didn't know that |
| 06:16.42 | jacques | webos uses the d8 ? javascript engine ? |
| 06:16.54 | Kyusaku | v8 |
| 06:18.15 | jacques | heh thanks |
| 06:18.28 | Kyusaku | np |
| 06:20.40 | BoomerET | Nite all! |
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| 07:15.43 | draeath | I want to wipe my pre back to 'factory' state. I tried using WebOS doctor, but preware is still on (not working though) and a dozen other things still seem to be present. |
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| 07:24.22 | draeath | ahah nevermind... this should worK: http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/common/article/23197_en.html (Full Erase) |
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| 07:43.12 | gollyzila | Does anyone know how I can remove "stuck" or "corrupted" patches from my phone? The Hide App Vendors has left my App Catalog useless. |
| 07:43.36 | gollyzila | Any response would be appreciated. |
| 07:43.46 | draeath | gollyzila: that same patch just killed me |
| 07:44.00 | draeath | unfortunatly I did a full webos-doctor reset and then a device-info full-reset |
| 07:44.09 | Kyusaku | wow really? |
| 07:44.15 | draeath | there are instructions but it looks like a PITA. let me try to dig it back up |
| 07:44.24 | Kyusaku | I just did an EPR |
| 07:44.28 | Kyusaku | and it fixed it |
| 07:45.30 | gollyzila | I'm thinking of doing an EPR, but I don't like the idea of reinstalling my patches AGAIN. Is there a way to save the list and Preware automagically downloads all the patches from the list? |
| 07:45.37 | draeath | ah. the forum post i saw the EPR didn't work |
| 07:45.49 | draeath | can't re-find it anyways :( |
| 07:48.07 | Kyusaku | gollyzila, nope, at least not right now in its current implementation |
| 07:48.50 | gollyzila | Crapshakes. So is there another way I can fix my stuck patches beside EPR? |
| 07:49.42 | Kyusaku | via command? No idea. |
| 07:50.16 | draeath | shoot. yes, there was. for this particular patch |
| 07:50.31 | draeath | but it involved replacing individual files, and like 30 luna resets |
| 07:50.41 | gollyzila | I think command line would be the next best thing. |
| 07:51.59 | draeath | dangit i can't find the post again. not in my history for some reason |
| 07:52.22 | gollyzila | Would Webos Repair Utility be able to replace those files? |
| 07:53.25 | Kyusaku | probably. |
| 07:54.53 | gollyzila | Hey! Wouldn't an Emergency Patch Recovery after an EPR reinstall all my patches? |
| 07:55.51 | gollyzila | Woops....I meant Emergency Patch Installer |
| 07:56.58 | Kyusaku | haven't tested it |
| 07:57.30 | draeath | so note to self. Don't install Hide App Vendors. it is breakage. |
| 07:57.47 | Kyusaku | it works |
| 07:58.05 | draeath | yea, but when i had some updates today, it decided it was going to half remove itself. |
| 07:58.17 | draeath | it was marked as not installed, but the files were still modified. so ipkg was freaking out |
| 07:58.21 | Kyusaku | just when you update it between AUPT technologies it breaks the catalog |
| 07:59.04 | draeath | so I found out :P |
| 07:59.13 | gollyzila | Kyusaku: What works? |
| 07:59.33 | gollyzila | draeath: Unfortunately I've found that out too |
| 07:59.36 | Kyusaku | the patch |
| 07:59.52 | Kyusaku | anyways |
| 08:00.26 | Kyusaku | I dunno if EPI will work after an EPR |
| 08:01.18 | Kyusaku | as if you do a partial or full erase it just wipes the phone database and media partition |
| 08:01.32 | Kyusaku | well full erases media |
| 08:01.51 | Kyusaku | partial wipes the database I believe |
| 08:02.08 | Kyusaku | which sort of leaves a bunch of patches partially installed |
| 08:02.11 | draeath | i did a full. it took out the patches too |
| 08:02.36 | Kyusaku | doing a full doesn't touch the OS's files |
| 08:02.47 | draeath | well, it killed preware |
| 08:02.49 | Kyusaku | so a lot of the patches were probably still in the UI |
| 08:02.52 | draeath | (webos doctor didn't) |
| 08:03.19 | draeath | So then. How do you go about _completely_ wiping it back to factory, then? |
| 08:03.35 | Kyusaku | Full Erase, with a doctor right after |
| 08:03.46 | gollyzila | This page says that a partial/full erase only deletes the patch package data, not the patch itself |
| 08:03.48 | gollyzila | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Auto-Update_Patch_Technology |
| 08:03.53 | Kyusaku | because a doctor wipes the OS partition |
| 08:03.54 | draeath | I did it the other way around... ? |
| 08:04.21 | Kyusaku | meh either or |
| 08:04.49 | Kyusaku | gollyzila, yep the package data saved on the media partition |
| 08:05.10 | Kyusaku | in cryptofs where the apps are saved |
| 08:05.26 | draeath | ah but I didn't do the Emergency Patch Recovery thing... |
| 08:06.15 | gollyzila | So all I'm left to do is an EPR to remove the stuck patches I have? The others are landscape messaging and named launcher pages |
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| 08:06.17 | Kyusaku | draeth: you're splitting hairs, if you do both a full erase and a doctor you eventually delete all the patch data |
| 08:06.34 | draeath | nah it must have worked. variosu things are reset, like the rounded corners. if that wiped, no reason the others wouldnt? |
| 08:06.44 | draeath | Kyusaku: sorry... i've only been into this for a few days. im still learning |
| 08:08.19 | Kyusaku | gollyzilla: that is currently the easiest solution without losing any phone data |
| 08:09.10 | gollyzila | Okay. What about the Emergency Service Enabler, that reapplies all your patches? |
| 08:09.25 | Kyusaku | no |
| 08:10.06 | Kyusaku | that's for re-enabling services after a doctor |
| 08:10.56 | Kyusaku | oh it reapplies patches too,,, but that seems like a weird side effect |
| 08:11.05 | Kyusaku | I don't think it will work in your case |
| 08:11.26 | Kyusaku | cause it's working from the package data that still exists in the media partition |
| 08:12.00 | Kyusaku | EPR SHOULD remove the patch and the patch's package data along with it but I could be mistaken |
| 08:12.23 | Kyusaku | I've remembered some issues in the past with Preware not fully removing package data |
| 08:12.29 | Kyusaku | but that could've been fixed |
| 08:12.47 | Kyusaku | if you want to experiment go for it |
| 08:12.58 | gollyzila | EPR probably will, but I'll do that when I have time. Well thanks for your time. |
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| 08:13.39 | Kyusaku | I should look over the documentation on these emergency things |
| 08:13.48 | draeath | hrm. is there an explanation for the FS layout on the wiki? specifically what all the 'duplicate' mounts to / are about? |
| 08:16.42 | Kyusaku | I'm not sure the FS went through some changes at last update and not sure if they were documented |
| 08:16.58 | Kyusaku | lemme see... |
| 08:18.49 | Kyusaku | not finding anything recent. might have to wait for someone more experience with the FS |
| 08:19.14 | draeath | heh. i just upgraded from a 6 year old RAZR V3. hehe. not foreign to linux at all though, but webOS is exciting |
| 08:20.12 | Kyusaku | every new update brings lots of surprises |
| 08:20.55 | draeath | its funny how 1.4 is right around the corner. get used to all this just as it gets blown away |
| 08:21.28 | Kyusaku | says who? |
| 08:22.24 | Kyusaku | the internals crew have been working to get the patches to survive the updates |
| 08:22.30 | draeath | nobody. just my poorly formed impression |
| 08:22.45 | Kyusaku | it's just that there's a few hiccups between patch technologies |
| 08:23.58 | draeath | always is in any kind of package management system |
| 08:24.09 | Kyusaku | so far there have been no restrictions on the linux side of the OS in fact Palm has been creating and opening up more pieces to the OS to work with |
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| 08:25.19 | Kyusaku | well maybe one restriction when they changed things with the wifi driver |
| 08:26.00 | Kyusaku | all right off to bed |
| 08:26.05 | Kyusaku | later |
| 08:26.07 | draeath | ty Kyusaku |
| 08:26.09 | draeath | later |
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| 09:16.51 | rwhitby | draeath: which mounts are you asking about? |
| 09:26.19 | bhuey | wonder when 1.4 is going to come out |
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| 13:24.53 | iSmite | godammit |
| 13:30.47 | iSmite | anyone here..ive installed ubuntu in virtualbox following the wiki and now im stuck |
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| 13:37.44 | iSmite | hmm i appear to be doing it |
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| 13:45.27 | iSmite | its saying my discs full- cannot write |
| 13:45.33 | iSmite | 1.3gb how do i make it bigger |
| 13:45.58 | bobbob1016 | iSmite, Did you try asking in #ubuntu? or #virtualbox? |
| 13:46.35 | iSmite | no..im doing metadoctor following the wiki |
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| 13:48.19 | destinal-home | iSmite: did you install ubuntu *server* edition? also, you can make the disk really big when you first install, like 40-50 gigs if you want, it's a sparse image format meaning it only actually takes up the amount of space on disk that you USE in the VM |
| 13:48.37 | iSmite | im just following the instructions on treocentral |
| 13:48.53 | iSmite | i got as far as downloading the webos doctor in ubuntu and its saying theres no space left |
| 13:49.59 | destinal-home | I hate to say it but I would do it again creating a bigger disk, and ubuntu server has no gui (all text) but takes up much less space |
| 13:50.10 | iSmite | i dont know how to create a bigger disk |
| 13:50.14 | iSmite | there wasnt an option |
| 13:50.37 | destinal-home | sure there is when you create a new VM (unless for some reason you downloaded their VM) |
| 13:50.45 | iSmite | damn..ok |
| 13:50.46 | iSmite | :( |
| 13:51.01 | iSmite | all this just for 1.2.1 no activation this is such a pain when you arent used to it |
| 13:51.18 | destinal-home | iSmite: there's much easier ways to skip activation |
| 13:51.23 | iSmite | how? |
| 13:51.56 | iSmite | all i need is the 1.2.1 then i can ota to 1.3.5.1 sprint i am gsm |
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| 13:52.53 | destinal-home | hmm then again the really easy ways are for avoiding a palm profile altogether |
| 13:53.04 | destinal-home | which won't help you for OTA |
| 13:53.30 | iSmite | i find this so hard |
| 13:53.45 | destinal-home | sure, there are no good, easy tools at the moment |
| 13:53.53 | destinal-home | it's early days for doctor modification still |
| 13:53.54 | iSmite | its just..if i was gonna use it all the time id spend the time learning it but al i need is the one |
| 13:54.13 | iSmite | now its saying the ubuntu already exists and wont let me get a bigger one |
| 13:54.18 | iSmite | *sigh* |
| 13:54.37 | destinal-home | in virtualbox, you can stop the VM and then delete it |
| 13:54.42 | iSmite | ok.. |
| 13:55.54 | iSmite | here we go again |
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| 13:56.31 | iSmite | it says hard disk size 8gb |
| 13:56.39 | iSmite | thats what it said last time |
| 13:56.46 | iSmite | then it gave me 1.3 gb |
| 13:57.09 | destinal-home | the operating system takes some of it, especially if you did a desktop install it takes a LOT |
| 13:57.17 | iSmite | ok |
| 13:57.36 | iSmite | 15gb be ebough? |
| 13:57.55 | destinal-home | I would do like 30 gb, remember it won't actually take up that much |
| 13:58.09 | iSmite | i only have about 20 free on my mac i think |
| 13:58.37 | iSmite | ugh its saying it already exists again- but i deleted it like you said! |
| 13:58.51 | destinal-home | you probably want to delete the disk fro mthe old one also |
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| 13:59.38 | destinal-home | file, virtual media manager |
| 14:00.26 | destinal-home | find the ubuntu vmdk file and highlight it, click release (if the option is available -- it may already be released) then highlight it, click remove |
| 14:01.04 | iSmite | yeah it wont let me saying its in use |
| 14:01.39 | destinal-home | from the main vbox screen do all VM's say "powered off" next to them? |
| 14:02.05 | iSmite | yeah theres nothing there at all |
| 14:02.11 | iSmite | cos it wont let me set it up |
| 14:02.21 | destinal-home | virtualbox fail |
| 14:03.09 | destinal-home | I'd try closing virtualbox and opening it again, if that doesn't work, try restarting. you should be able to delete that disk file |
| 14:03.17 | iSmite | i just did it |
| 14:03.18 | iSmite | hang on |
| 14:04.09 | iSmite | ok now its set up |
| 14:04.56 | iSmite | brb while it loads :( |
| 14:05.00 | destinal-home | ok, good luck following their guide with a much bigger disk this time (as much as you can and remember it's only virtually that big and won't really get that big unless you use the space -- in which case you're saving yourself from doing it all again) |
| 14:06.12 | destinal-home | I have to get to work anyway but I hope it works out for you. hopefully we get a nice GUI Java tool to do what you want sometime soon -- I know it doesn't help know |
| 14:06.17 | destinal-home | s/know/now/ |
| 14:06.53 | destinal-home | :P |
| 14:06.59 | destinal-home | bbl |
| 14:07.23 | raster | meeeeeeeeeeeeh |
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| 14:10.16 | iSmite | now i cnt find terminal it appears to have gone |
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| 14:18.11 | iSmite | when it says unpacking build essential is it meant to take longer than 5 minutes? or has it crashed |
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| 14:19.43 | iSmite | its fucking crashed!\ |
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| 14:25.40 | destinal-wirc | iSmite: I am thinking about making a java tool that works like wosqi but lets you modify the pre from recovery mode |
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| 14:26.47 | destinal-wirc | and would include installing patches like activation bypass |
| 14:27.36 | destinal-wirc | therefore you wouldn't need to make or use a new doctor |
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| 14:29.57 | iSmite | destinal its done it again i added 20 gb its saying no space left its stuck at 19% like before |
| 14:30.18 | iSmite | why would it stick in the same place when i have more than double the space now |
| 14:31.20 | destinal-wirc | if you go to the list of disks again how much is used? |
| 14:31.26 | iSmite | wher is that |
| 14:31.46 | iSmite | fuckin 1.3gb i set it to 20!!!! |
| 14:31.56 | iSmite | i swear i did |
| 14:32.32 | iSmite | now its saying total filesystem capacity 1.3gb again |
| 14:32.44 | destinal-wirc | ugh |
| 14:33.44 | iSmite | 2 weeks i have been trying to get round this/learn it whatever!! |
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| 14:38.42 | iSmite | i give up ive tried and tried |
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| 14:58.15 | zsoc | will willwill will to will willwill's will? |
| 14:58.39 | willwill | lol |
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| 15:03.45 | loot- | i think im going to doctor my phone today and finally buy x-plane :> |
| 15:04.32 | zsoc | loot-: which one? there's like 30 x-plane's now lol |
| 15:04.41 | loot- | seriously? |
| 15:04.47 | loot- | i have the pc version already |
| 15:04.50 | zsoc | now there's like 6 tho |
| 15:04.53 | loot- | 9.45 or whatever |
| 15:05.10 | loot- | can you use custom planes in it like the PC version? |
| 15:05.18 | zsoc | no idea :( |
| 15:05.24 | loot- | it wont be nearly as cool if i cant use the F-22 raptor |
| 15:05.25 | loot- | :( |
| 15:05.27 | zsoc | hasn't played them |
| 15:05.59 | zsoc | ~seen xenoph0be |
| 15:06.00 | infobot | xenoph0be <~none@adsl-69-152-64-78.dsl.spfdmo.swbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 7d 10h 39m 5s ago, saying: '=\'. |
| 15:06.01 | loot- | have you tried need for speed? |
| 15:06.21 | zsoc | loot-: yeah on a friends device |
| 15:06.24 | loot- | i havent bought any of the games for pre yet because my phone is a mess and needs to be wiped and doctored |
| 15:06.37 | loot- | is it worth buying? |
| 15:07.05 | zsoc | eh. I don't _really_ think most games are worth buying mobile. |
| 15:07.11 | loot- | im never far from a USB slot so battery drain isnt much of an issue |
| 15:07.19 | zsoc | it's definitely more fun than a cross word puzzle :p |
| 15:07.23 | loot- | well exactly |
| 15:07.35 | zsoc | assassins creed is fun too |
| 15:07.44 | loot- | i have an ipod touch but most of the games on that suck because they try to use too much multitouch with accelerometers and all taht |
| 15:07.45 | zsoc | I'm considering earthworm jim, it's cheap |
| 15:07.48 | loot- | makes it difficult to play |
| 15:07.53 | loot- | plus no internal speaker is also weak |
| 15:08.08 | zsoc | loot-: most gaming websites do wireless game reviews now. like IGN and I think gamespot |
| 15:08.38 | loot- | ah, i spend all my time programming and what not so i dont get a chance to check out game sitse much anymore |
| 15:08.45 | loot- | sadly i have an entire race simulator |
| 15:08.53 | zsoc | lol |
| 15:08.55 | loot- | and im still waiting for gran turismo 5 |
| 15:09.06 | zsoc | what do you do for work? |
| 15:09.37 | loot- | gov contractor, consultant, and starting 2 companies and a non-profit |
| 15:09.45 | loot- | hehe |
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| 15:12.23 | zsoc | ha |
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| 15:37.51 | iSmite | i read that the palm pre can do moving wallpapers but i cant find the post now, i think it was animated png anyone know? |
| 15:38.44 | VincentLaw | I would be shocked if it supported animated PNGs |
| 15:38.50 | VincentLaw | they're not exactly common, support is rare |
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| 15:39.46 | zsoc | iSmite: there is no known way to do it. |
| 15:40.01 | iSmite | ok |
| 15:41.02 | iSmite | is it possible to doctor, get to the profile page and then sign in using wifi if you have no cellular data enabled? |
| 15:41.19 | zsoc | iSmite: yes |
| 15:41.23 | iSmite | oh! |
| 15:41.28 | zsoc | maybe |
| 15:41.31 | iSmite | oh... |
| 15:41.37 | zsoc | thinks |
| 15:41.44 | iSmite | its just..lol ask destinal ive been trying to run metadr all day and i cant |
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| 15:42.32 | iSmite | i can get sprint 1.2.1 on my pre, but then i cant activate it because theres nowhere to put my cellular data in |
| 15:43.21 | zsoc | iSmite: this is really a rod thing. he'll help you with the metadoctor I'm sure if you're having specific problems |
| 15:43.58 | iSmite | ive got ubuntu in virtual box and run the commands but it always only sets disk size to 1.3gb and then runs out of room even though i have set it to 20gb |
| 15:44.07 | iSmite | i cant change that 1.3gb thing |
| 15:44.26 | zsoc | iSmite: what command is that happening on? |
| 15:44.50 | iSmite | when i try to make it get the webos dr |
| 15:45.04 | iSmite | it fails at 19% not enough room disk full |
| 15:45.26 | zsoc | iSmite: pastebin output of df |
| 15:45.49 | iSmite | id have to do it all again...then when u know the error then yet again cos id have to do a new one wouldnt i :( |
| 15:46.01 | zsoc | you're probably trying to download it to a partition which is out of room |
| 15:46.26 | zsoc | what? that didn't make any sense. if you want help. pastebin the terminal output of df :p |
| 15:46.48 | iSmite | but if i can activate 1.2 with wifi i wouldnt have to do that would i? |
| 15:47.08 | zsoc | I have no idea. I'm pretty sure you can't OTA |
| 15:47.12 | zsoc | in that situation |
| 15:52.51 | destinal-wirc | if you had the pre using a sprint palm profile made by someone activated on sprint I imagine you could ota |
| 15:53.42 | destinal-wirc | if not,probably not |
| 15:57.01 | iSmite | ok |
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| 16:02.55 | zsoc | destinal-wirc: why doesn't your company use gsm encoded wavs forwarded to your email? :p everyone I an find to test this package involves board PM coorespondance |
| 16:03.10 | zsoc | which I'm pretty sure is the _worst_ way to test something |
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| 17:53.46 | egaudet-wirc | what is |
| 17:54.11 | agg_spenc | has anyone been able to controll the card orientation for an sdl app? |
| 17:56.05 | egaudet-wirc | yes |
| 17:56.55 | egaudet-wirc | sdl using software surface just setVideo width greater than height |
| 17:57.32 | egaudet-wirc | opengles you draw it however you want. can use glRotate to rotate matrix |
| 17:58.08 | egaudet-wirc | PDL_SetOrientation then used to orient the webos notifications etc |
| 17:58.09 | agg_spenc | will this automatically change the orientation? I am hoping to be able to have the app adjust to the orientation of the phone |
| 17:59.09 | agg_spenc | is there an example of this some where that i could look at? |
| 18:01.40 | egaudet-wirc | software surface? |
| 18:03.04 | egaudet-wirc | there's no orientation changing example in homebrew I don't think but it's doable via what I mentioned above |
| 18:04.12 | agg_spenc | ok.... i was hoping it was going to be an easy thing like creating an app-assistant.js , but i guess not.... i am not sure how to use PDL_SetOrientation. Ill have to do some more digging |
| 18:05.38 | mdklein | all PDL_SetOrientation does is tell webos where to pop up notifications |
| 18:06.03 | mdklein | oh, I see egaud mentioned that already heh |
| 18:06.28 | mdklein | slightly distracted :( |
| 18:08.01 | agg_spenc | i see on the webos-internals site under the LibPDL_Research section that there is 1,2,3,4 for the up,dw.L,R is there no free? |
| 18:09.50 | agg_spenc | nevermind I think I see how it is used...you set the orientation in the programming and then tell webos what that is |
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| 18:14.42 | agg_spenc | when launcing an sdl app does it not take the base stage of "card"? and then does the card not set the orientation? |
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| 18:20.53 | egaudet-wirc | sdl app is not mojo... there's no 'stage' |
| 18:21.47 | mdklein | you could probably check the accelerometer and figure it out, but yeah, there's no stage |
| 18:22.13 | agg_spenc | ok....i just assumed since it made a card when running the app |
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| 18:31.46 | swisstomcat | heya |
| 18:31.55 | swisstomcat | ~seen rwhitby |
| 18:31.57 | infobot | rwhitby is currently on #webos-internals (1d 13h 39m 54s) #oe (1d 13h 39m 54s) #nslu2-linux (1d 13h 39m 54s). Has said a total of 175 messages. Is idling for 9h 15m 6s, last said: 'draeath: which mounts are you asking about?'. |
| 18:32.35 | Robi_ | wasap funkatron |
| 18:32.40 | funkatron | yello |
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| 18:51.53 | agg_spenc | where does the int PDL_SetOrientation(int Orientation) go in the code? |
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| 19:16.34 | Saiks | Hi all... I just install openssh thru Preware and now its asking for a userneme? any one has any idea |
| 19:16.58 | Saiks | I am trying to use sftp |
| 19:17.50 | swisstomcat | i think you're supposed to use public key authentication |
| 19:17.55 | swisstomcat | not username/password |
| 19:19.03 | swisstomcat | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:OpenSSH |
| 19:19.45 | Saiks | Thx.. do i type in all these conmands |
| 19:20.49 | swisstomcat | depending on the host OS |
| 19:21.39 | Saiks | Win7 |
| 19:21.48 | Saiks | i am using putty |
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| 19:24.31 | Saiks | what does it mean by "Enter a passphrase for your private key file" |
| 19:25.00 | swisstomcat | are you reading this page then? |
| 19:25.00 | swisstomcat | http://unixwiz.net/techtips/putty-openssh.html |
| 19:26.46 | Saiks | Thx... |
| 19:28.59 | iSmite | er..got a problem..suddenly my pre is not going into usb mode any more. pressing and holding vol up and power just boots it normally it was fine until the last dr i did failed :S |
| 19:31.03 | iSmite | shit what do i do |
| 19:31.26 | Kyusaku | did you try orange+sym+u |
| 19:31.47 | iSmite | nope. i do that when its on or off? |
| 19:31.58 | Kyusaku | when you're in webos |
| 19:32.10 | Kyusaku | or you can't boot into webos? |
| 19:32.14 | Kyusaku | you should specify |
| 19:32.53 | iSmite | sorry. when i hld vol up and power, it always goes into usb mode but now it wont, tried 5 times. it boots normally to the normal screen as it would if you just pressed power |
| 19:32.55 | Kyusaku | the vol up thing is built in the kernel |
| 19:34.20 | iSmite | ok i did what you said and its put it into usb mode but the one where you see the pre on the screen not the one where you have the big white usb sign that means its ready to doctor sorry if i dont use the right terminology |
| 19:34.55 | Kyusaku | well can you doctor it in that USB mode? |
| 19:35.06 | iSmite | i don tthink so im just waiting for the doctor to download |
| 19:35.12 | Kyusaku | try it |
| 19:35.13 | iSmite | trying now: |
| 19:35.37 | iSmite | no. |
| 19:36.23 | iSmite | is there another way i can get it into that mode |
| 19:36.41 | Kyusaku | I would figure the vol up thing would have a better chance of being done than orange+sym+u |
| 19:36.51 | iSmite | it suddenly stopped working |
| 19:37.05 | iSmite | i tried to dr and the dr failed, phone rebooted and now i cant do it |
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| 19:37.28 | Kyusaku | sounds like the boot loader might have gotten corrupted |
| 19:37.34 | Kyusaku | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery |
| 19:37.38 | iSmite | oh hell.. |
| 19:37.49 | destinal | Kyusaku: wait, what? |
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| 19:38.02 | iSmite | its ok! |
| 19:38.05 | destinal | reads backlog |
| 19:38.09 | iSmite | it just did it on the 6th go thank god |
| 19:38.16 | Kyusaku | iSmite's phone won't boot and doesn't go into the USB mode for doctoring |
| 19:38.17 | iSmite | that was really weird |
| 19:38.26 | iSmite | and no- i wasnt doing it wrong lol |
| 19:38.32 | iSmite | 6th go and it worked |
| 19:38.50 | destinal | strange |
| 19:39.11 | Mousey | ** (process:11240): CRITICAL **: purple_proxy_connect: assertion `port > 0' failed |
| 19:39.15 | Mousey | now THAT'S strange |
| 19:39.25 | Kyusaku | you probably were doing it wrong =) 99% of time it is human error |
| 19:39.31 | Kyusaku | :P |
| 19:39.39 | iSmite | ok its doctoring fine now |
| 19:39.41 | iSmite | panic over |
| 19:39.47 | Kyusaku | ok |
| 19:39.55 | iSmite | no lol i swear i wasnt |
| 19:40.00 | iSmite | ive done it so many times |
| 19:40.17 | Kyusaku | maybe your vol button is faulty |
| 19:40.27 | iSmite | this is my replacement pre |
| 19:40.29 | Kyusaku | that's the only thing that it could be |
| 19:40.30 | iSmite | got it yesterday |
| 19:40.36 | Kyusaku | is it new or refurbished |
| 19:40.37 | iSmite | cos the last one broke |
| 19:40.39 | iSmite | new |
| 19:40.48 | Kyusaku | you sure...? |
| 19:40.51 | iSmite | yep |
| 19:40.53 | destinal | Kyusaku: well it depends, was the battery out or not? |
| 19:40.58 | Kyusaku | they pulled it out of a new box |
| 19:41.01 | iSmite | yes |
| 19:41.09 | Kyusaku | destinal, ask iSmite |
| 19:41.30 | destinal | Because I suppose it could have been not completely powered off to begin |
| 19:41.37 | iSmite | this one has better build it seems than the last one and looks slightly different |
| 19:41.49 | iSmite | no i didnt touch that battery |
| 19:42.16 | destinal | iSmite: does the keyboard have a different feel to it? |
| 19:42.32 | iSmite | i think so...it seems like 5% marginally springier |
| 19:42.36 | destinal | I wonder if they're using the same build process as the new pre plus, just the orange colors and no upgrade to ram |
| 19:42.39 | iSmite | barely noticeable |
| 19:43.03 | destinal | since pre plus was supposed to be a whole new build process with better quality |
| 19:43.04 | Kyusaku | GSM phones do their debug codes differently right? |
| 19:43.07 | iSmite | but my old pre had no plastic thing on the earpiece, this one does |
| 19:43.18 | iSmite | both were new |
| 19:43.21 | Kyusaku | should ask him to punch in the 786 code to see the build date |
| 19:43.32 | iSmite | i can do that on gsm? |
| 19:44.40 | Kyusaku | hmmm RTN seems to be CDMA only according to wiki |
| 19:45.05 | Kyusaku | but you flash with a meta-doctored sprint image don't you? |
| 19:45.18 | Mousey | i wish greg_roll was a real person and i could buy him beer |
| 19:45.38 | iSmite | no , i dont, i had one with the tars swapped but i went back to normal gsm |
| 19:45.53 | Kyusaku | oh I see |
| 19:46.08 | Kyusaku | giving up til 1.4? |
| 19:46.10 | destinal | Mousey: is he an evil artificial intelligence? |
| 19:46.17 | iSmite | i cant seem to work metadoctor, ubuntu tells me my disks too small even when i set it to 20gb..it says i have set it to 1.3 gb lol |
| 19:46.24 | iSmite | pretty much yes |
| 19:46.34 | Mousey | he IS evil!! 4582734987529384752943 IM plugins, and JABBER is the only one that DOESN'T WORK |
| 19:46.42 | Mousey | =( |
| 19:46.43 | Kyusaku | greg_roll is like a rick roll only without the annoying |
| 19:46.47 | iSmite | why arent his patches in preware by the way? |
| 19:46.54 | Kyusaku | never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down |
| 19:46.56 | Mousey | gfq |
| 19:47.18 | iSmite | next time u rickroll someone do it with the bassroll- way better |
| 19:47.25 | destinal | iSmite: uh, because he didn't put them there? |
| 19:47.36 | iSmite | gah i gathered that i was wondering why.. |
| 19:47.43 | destinal | yeah, no idea there |
| 19:47.50 | Mousey | he hates me |
| 19:47.54 | destinal | you'd think he'd want to put them in the webos-internals feed |
| 19:47.59 | Kyusaku | Palm needs to update those libpurple libraries |
| 19:48.00 | iSmite | yeah |
| 19:48.09 | iSmite | palm needs to give gsm users yahoo!!!! |
| 19:48.10 | Mousey | someone drop him a line!! |
| 19:48.29 | Mousey | i would, but i'm kinda mad at myself for not being able to fix his code right now, and would say things i didn't really mean |
| 19:49.05 | Kyusaku | I stopped using greg roll's plugin after it corrupted my messaging cookies |
| 19:49.59 | Kyusaku | I had to delete my backup and do full erase(although all you need to do is a partial erase) |
| 19:50.47 | Mousey | 2010-02-17T19:50:30.025451Z [42154] palm-webos-device user.warning java: {com.palm.oasis.activerecord.ActiveRecordException}: PRIMARY KEY must be unique - executing: DELETE FROM com_palm_accounts_AccountType WHERE name='Jabber |
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| 19:52.37 | iSmite | yes his plugin corrupted stuff on my old pre too |
| 19:52.49 | iSmite | thats wy i wanted the sprint webos i wanted legit yahoo |
| 19:53.03 | Mousey | s/yahoo/jabber/ |
| 19:53.04 | Mousey | but yah |
| 19:53.09 | Saiks | I created the private key and upload it to winSCP and it is still asking for a username |
| 19:53.13 | Kyusaku | adding yahoo mail on 1.3.5.2 doesn't add yahoo messenger? |
| 19:53.14 | Mousey | i'll take anything, as long as it works |
| 19:53.14 | Mousey | =/ |
| 19:53.31 | Kyusaku | or whatever the trick is suppose to be |
| 19:53.38 | destinal | Saiks: user name is root |
| 19:54.06 | Kyusaku | my mistake, through contacts |
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| 19:54.25 | Saiks | There we go.... thx! |
| 19:54.57 | Kyusaku | Palm needs to implement some sort of ignore or exclude to the contacts list |
| 19:55.23 | Kyusaku | for these read only sources |
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| 19:56.14 | Kyusaku | and maybe add an ignored scene where if you want to undelete like an AIM contact or facebook contact you can recover it from there |
| 19:57.18 | Mousey | lol AT commands |
| 19:57.39 | Mousey | a) /var/log/messages, on my PHONE?? what fun... |
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| 19:57.46 | Mousey | b) wow there's lots of cool info in messages |
| 19:58.40 | Kyusaku | haha |
| 19:58.52 | Kyusaku | there's a lot of cool stuff |
| 20:00.36 | mdklein | and if you like powerd messages for some reason, there's a plethora of cool stuff. |
| 20:01.36 | iSmite | kyusaku no you cant get yahoo without the patch believe me ive tried |
| 20:01.53 | iSmite | i dont get why they wouldnt let us have it, we use yahoo far more than americans they use msn or aim |
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| 20:02.51 | Mousey | mdklein: that's why god invented "grep -v" |
| 20:02.54 | iSmite | i hope they give it us in 1.4 |
| 20:03.04 | Mousey | iSmite: and jabber too |
| 20:03.32 | Kyusaku | Mousey lavas the Jabber |
| 20:03.36 | Mousey | <3 |
| 20:03.55 | Mousey | i -have- aim/msn/yahoo transports, all i need is jabber working to reach any/all of them |
| 20:04.07 | mdklein | I like the idea of IM on my phone... but find it way too spammy... I think I need to create a new name and just give people limited access to it |
| 20:04.17 | Saiks | destinal: Now i am having an error type timeout message... Say server has sent an exit status 127 |
| 20:04.46 | Kyusaku | I like the idea of IM on my phone but find the battery drain a bit much at least in Palm's current implementation |
| 20:04.55 | mdklein | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.11 | Kyusaku | we need Mojo Messaging Service! |
| 20:05.18 | psykoz | smartreflex has allowed me to enjoy IM on all the time |
| 20:05.51 | psykoz | but I don't get to enjoy other things, there's a few webosinternals things that put my phone in remove battery state while SR is on |
| 20:05.52 | Mousey | exit status 127 traditionally means File Not Found |
| 20:06.20 | Saiks | I don't know if this matter but i saved the key as private instead of public and i'm usinf winscp |
| 20:07.23 | zsoc | Saiks: private and public keys are not interchangable |
| 20:08.12 | Saiks | So should i convert the key to public instead cuz i thk thats what winscp is asking for |
| 20:08.39 | zsoc | I don't know anything about windows, but probably |
| 20:12.06 | loot- | Saiks: use putty's puttygen |
| 20:12.19 | loot- | it can convert an openssh public key into one usable by putty and winscp |
| 20:13.04 | Saiks | loot: that's what i'm using. It will not allow public keys |
| 20:14.06 | loot- | it does allow public keys |
| 20:14.09 | loot- | you're doing it wrong |
| 20:14.09 | loot- | :( |
| 20:14.20 | loot- | im actually looking at it right now |
| 20:14.29 | Saiks | loot: its asking if the host is running sftp server |
| 20:14.30 | loot- | one of my openssh key's converted using puttygen |
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| 20:14.35 | loot- | is opening a connection in winscp |
| 20:14.37 | loot- | without issue |
| 20:15.19 | Saiks | It's also saying cannot initialize sftp protocol |
| 20:24.04 | zsoc | sftp != scp/ssh |
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| 20:35.06 | debilater | zsoc: sftp is a subprocess of openssh daemon and uses ssh as transport |
| 20:35.37 | debilater | Saiks: sftp has to be enabled in openssh daemon config |
| 20:36.54 | debilater | Saiks: the config option to enable it: Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server in /etc/sshd/config or whereever your sshd config is located |
| 20:37.30 | zsoc | debilater: I have learned something |
| 20:38.26 | Saiks | debilater: Oh... is there a code to enable that feature. I installed it using preware. |
| 20:40.49 | debilater | Saiks: ah, is there an extra package for it? I didn't know... |
| 20:41.29 | debilater | zsoc: well, the sftp package has ssh as dependency |
| 20:41.45 | debilater | Saiks: i'll take a look, momplz |
| 20:42.21 | Saiks | Ok ...thx |
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| 21:07.43 | BoomerET | Ok, I have two google voice invites left if anyone cares to try it out. |
| 21:08.42 | debilater | hm saiks left the channel ... |
| 21:11.25 | loot- | i have a ton of google voice invites left |
| 21:11.28 | loot- | i didnt use any of them |
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| 21:13.11 | debilater | zsoc: if he/she comes back: I think he/she has dropbear installed. in this case opensshd doesn't start. if you kill dropbear and start opensshd (with "start mobi.optware.openssh") then it works, because it has sftp enabled by default |
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| 21:17.39 | BoomerET | A ton? Then sendz0r those invites to me. |
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| 21:45.08 | Mousey | S U C C E S S ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !! ! |
| 21:45.12 | Mousey | THANKS jeffgus |
| 21:45.54 | Mousey | jabber now working successfully from self-signed privately owned jabber server |
| 21:45.57 | Mousey | on pre |
| 21:46.03 | Mousey | milestone 1 reached |
| 21:46.16 | Mousey | writes greg_roll thread about bug |
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| 21:46.52 | Mousey | gives jeffgus free cookies |
| 21:46.54 | jeffgus | Mousey, so it works? |
| 21:46.54 | Mousey | good find |
| 21:46.55 | Mousey | yes |
| 21:47.16 | jeffgus | kewl |
| 21:47.16 | Mousey | no OTR, but whatevs.. |
| 21:47.20 | jeffgus | heh |
| 21:47.36 | jeffgus | that will come later |
| 21:47.37 | jeffgus | :) |
| 21:49.14 | Mousey | We'll See(tm) |
| 21:49.29 | Mousey | i still need that kernel driver for making monitors obsolete, too. that's been a couple years now? |
| 21:54.07 | debilater_off | Mousey: so how did you enable jabber? |
| 21:55.58 | jeffgus | debilater_off, http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/205914-messaging-plugins-live-yahoo-icq.html |
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| 22:00.22 | debilater | ah that patch, it bricked my pre some months ago, I'll never touch it again |
| 22:00.58 | zsoc | ~brick |
| 22:00.59 | infobot | Send email to mailto:bootldr@handhelds.org with details if you believe that you have bricked your ipaq |
| 22:01.05 | zsoc | lol |
| 22:01.12 | zsoc | ~bricked |
| 22:01.17 | zsoc | hm |
| 22:01.33 | zsoc | infobot: bricked is a misnomer |
| 22:01.34 | infobot | zsoc: okay |
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| 22:22.31 | rwhitby | morning |
| 22:22.46 | BoomerET | waves |
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| 22:28.44 | rwhitby | Did everyone update their patches to aupt-3 without issue? |
| 22:29.31 | zsoc | rwhitby: i believe the lack of people complaining is a good sign |
| 22:31.07 | rwhitby | yeah, just the usual crop of people who've done stuff outside of preware or with the wrong wosqi version |
| 22:31.40 | rwhitby | zsoc: did you see gsmwav is in the testing feed? |
| 22:32.03 | zsoc | rwhitby: yes :) in fact i have already had someone test it with excellent results. thank yo for your help |
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| 22:32.20 | rwhitby | cool - found any pixi testers? |
| 22:34.04 | zsoc | rwhitby: unfortunately no |
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| 22:57.53 | Mousey | there |
| 22:58.03 | Mousey | i posted how to make jabber teh working with greg_roll's awesome sauce |
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| 23:02.22 | diov6 | does anyone know why my photo I download using the downloadManager API does not show up in photos. my guess is that the file indexer needs to be rescaned, how can I make it show up without reboot |
| 23:09.51 | jacques | my patches updated smoothly |
| 23:17.19 | destinal | zsoc: bricked is not a misnomer. you may have damaged your hardware |
| 23:17.47 | destinal | and it may be as useful as a brick at that point |
| 23:18.02 | zsoc | infobot: no, bricked is a misnomer, when referring to a webos device, unless you have damaged hardware. |
| 23:18.03 | infobot | zsoc: okay |
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| 23:18.18 | zsoc | bbiab |
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| 23:23.37 | nt4cats | Suburban station, one of the BIG center-city rail stations in Philadelphia is plastered with Palm-branded ads for the Pre and Pixi today |
| 23:24.10 | nt4cats | On my train platform and on both the platforms on either side, palm had ALL of the ad space that I could see. |
| 23:27.05 | nt4cats | http://imgur.com/rBlLu |
| 23:27.17 | loot- | nt4cats: palm or one of the carriers did? |
| 23:27.35 | loot- | oh wow |
| 23:27.36 | loot- | palm did |
| 23:27.37 | nt4cats | look at the link -- I don't see any carrier branding. All palm |
| 23:27.41 | loot- | yea |
| 23:27.44 | loot- | thats very cool |
| 23:27.55 | loot- | thats a good sign IMHO |
| 23:27.59 | nt4cats | The pixi ad looks the same, just with a pixi instead of a pre |
| 23:29.06 | loot- | well when you see carriers really pumping a device it means they're not selling well |
| 23:29.32 | loot- | when you see the manufacturer advertising it usually means things are going well... making money and want to expand their user base |
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| 23:32.13 | nt4cats | I was pretty surprised, I wanted to take more pics, but people sitting on the benches were wondering why I was trying to take pictures of them (that and my train arrived very soon after I did) |
| 23:32.45 | loot- | haha |
| 23:32.49 | loot- | did you take pics with your palm? |
| 23:32.57 | nt4cats | yep, with my pre's camera |
| 23:33.02 | loot- | that would have been excellent if someone snapped you with your phone clearly visible |
| 23:33.05 | loot- | haha |
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| 23:37.55 | BoomerET | They're probably the same ads here in San Francisco BART stations. They're all over the place. |
| 23:38.55 | loot- | they have them in the DC metro also just not the whole station |
| 23:39.06 | loot- | plus i think most of the ones ive seen have been for sprint pre/pixi |
| 23:41.05 | nt4cats | BoomerET: do they look like this http://imgur.com/rBlLu |
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| 23:45.15 | nt4cats | Yakima? |
| 23:48.51 | oil | yeah |
| 23:50.27 | nt4cats | I hear it's lovely there this time of year. |
| 23:51.26 | oil | its not bad |
| 23:54.58 | oil | according to a big sign by the freeway, its the "palm springs of washington" |
| 23:55.06 | nt4cats | heh |
| 23:55.19 | oil | which is always funny when there is snow on it |
| 23:55.52 | oil | http://www.barraclou.com/photo/skyline/wa/yakima_palmsprings.jpg |
| 23:55.53 | oil | lol |
| 23:56.14 | oil | first GIS result |
| 23:56.36 | nt4cats | I saw a bunch of folks on the precentral forums complaining that updating their patches to AUPTv3 was a nightmare -- I assume that was due to the HideAppVendors issue. Do y'all encourage me to press "update all" or to wait a bit? |
| 23:57.15 | oil | i updated one at a time when mine came up |
