| 00:00.51 | en0x | rwhitby, ok ;d |
| 00:01.15 | chrisa | It's not our fault you live on a continent where you need to eat everything solely because it'll eat you first if you don't |
| 00:02.14 | en0x | so it like 0.002 cents per kB |
| 00:02.55 | rwhitby | en0x: .002c per kB for overseas data is 1/100th of what I pay for overseas data |
| 00:03.14 | rwhitby | actually, 1/1000th |
| 00:03.35 | en0x | ouch |
| 00:03.54 | rwhitby | chrisa: now you know why the meta-doctor has a "disable uploadd" option :-) |
| 00:08.27 | Banger | en0x ahh i was wondering why you were being charged so much for data roaming i have no data roaming (thank dog) |
| 00:08.35 | Banger | yes i said dog, i dont believe in god |
| 00:09.15 | gaffo_home | Banger, that joke is inneffective if you don't wait for someone to ask why you said thank dog |
| 00:09.21 | en0x | Banger, they said if I call after Apri 10th they will void some of that charge |
| 00:09.35 | Banger | gaffo_home i wasnt joking so it doesnt matter |
| 00:09.42 | en0x | i will be like "i didn;t know that palm pre is pulling data all the time" |
| 00:09.45 | en0x | ;_ |
| 00:09.47 | en0x | :) |
| 00:10.06 | gaffo_home | Banger, welp, then you're just as annoying as those who try and preach door to door or hand out pamphlets |
| 00:10.15 | gaffo_home | just my opinion tho |
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| 00:10.58 | BangerPre | well thats nice of them |
| 00:12.13 | en0x | yup |
| 00:13.13 | gaffo_home | I guess the dog giveth and the dog taketh away |
| 00:13.14 | gaffo_home | doh, |
| 00:13.16 | gaffo_home | :) |
| 00:13.47 | en0x | what lang u speak in? |
| 00:13.55 | en0x | "giveth" "taketh" |
| 00:14.19 | gaffo_home | Renaissance faire |
| 00:15.01 | en0x | ;] |
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| 00:33.45 | AnOutsider | evenin all |
| 00:35.10 | Banger | you are right it is evening |
| 00:35.33 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: Save/Restore 0.3.4 in the testing feed |
| 00:35.49 | AnOutsider | cool, gonna update |
| 00:35.49 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: I updated the scripts to return title and saved. |
| 00:35.50 | gaffo_home | rwhitby arises! |
| 00:36.15 | gaffo_home | a while ago actually now that I scroll :) |
| 00:36.54 | rwhitby | yeah, kids had swimming lessons this morning, so didn't get on till now |
| 00:37.11 | Banger | rwhitby nice |
| 00:38.05 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: we just need to re-read the list after a save operation is complete, so the restore count is updated. |
| 00:38.41 | AnOutsider | also want to make the UI more informative... loading screen on boot and during operations |
| 00:39.10 | rwhitby | yep |
| 00:39.44 | rwhitby | although it's pretty damn quick as it is now |
| 00:40.46 | AnOutsider | yeah, but no user feedback as to waht's going on != good |
| 00:40.51 | rwhitby | yep. |
| 00:41.25 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: I'm also thinking that after a save operation, the entry in the list should change somehow to indicate it saved successfully. |
| 00:41.41 | rwhitby | i.e. something green vs something red |
| 00:42.03 | rwhitby | or maybe all the toggle go back to off, leaving on the ones that didn't save |
| 00:42.34 | rwhitby | ok, time for some new screenshots |
| 00:43.00 | AnOutsider | hmm, I was just going to do a dialog when a save failed and stop |
| 00:43.03 | AnOutsider | but that could work too |
| 00:43.22 | AnOutsider | we could remove the package ID and replace with "Save Successful!" or "Save Failed" in green or red |
| 00:45.54 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: yeah, that works |
| 00:46.12 | rwhitby | A dialog on failure is necessary too - that should be very rare |
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| 00:50.49 | rwhitby | Updated screenshots are at http://bit.ly/saverestore |
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| 00:53.32 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 00:53.45 | oil | looks just like preware |
| 00:53.50 | oil | except that crazy padding xD |
| 00:53.59 | rwhitby | oil: feel free to fix that :-) |
| 00:54.19 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 00:56.01 | AnOutsider | @oil: hey, I did as asked. stopped fighting with the padding tho |
| 00:56.12 | oil | lol |
| 00:57.54 | rwhitby | oil: seriously though, I'd be very happy for the UI layout to exactly match Preware spacing-wise. |
| 00:58.08 | oil | you think about just removing hte palm-group |
| 00:58.15 | oil | and adding one of those pill headers |
| 00:59.17 | rwhitby | whatever makes it consisten |
| 00:59.18 | rwhitby | t |
| 00:59.19 | AnOutsider | you think about just doing it? |
| 01:00.08 | AnOutsider | oh yeah gurlfriend, I went thurr! |
| 01:00.24 | rwhitby | thx everyone for the UI assistance. it's a pleasure to wake up in the morning and the UI is all there ready to test the next underlying script/service feature to be added. |
| 01:00.53 | AnOutsider | One reason I love hiring folks from over there.. I go to bed, they keep working |
| 01:01.00 | AnOutsider | I wake up, I pick up where they left off |
| 01:01.08 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: funny, I was thinking the same thing :) |
| 01:03.24 | AnOutsider | big companies should do that |
| 01:03.40 | AnOutsider | in any case tho, my gf signed me up for some NRA crap tomorrow, so I've gotta hit the sack early and will be gone all day |
| 01:03.54 | AnOutsider | if swiss or oil can finish things up, that'd be better than waiting for me |
| 01:03.56 | oil | leaves for oregon tomorrow |
| 01:04.10 | oil | maybe ill pull it to my lappy and work on it on the way |
| 01:04.13 | AnOutsider | well there goes that haha |
| 01:04.50 | AnOutsider | it's really just sprucing it up at this point. I stopped with the padding because it was late, and it needs the rotating scene/overlay whilst working |
| 01:05.17 | rwhitby | I'll add the reload after saving later today if no-one else gets to it. |
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| 01:05.45 | AnOutsider | that should be straightforward, though you may have to reinitialize the arrays so that you don't end up with dupes |
| 01:05.50 | AnOutsider | since the routines do a push() |
| 01:06.36 | rwhitby | yep |
| 01:06.53 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 01:59.26 | jhojho | does anyone know off the top of their heads where the db for an app is stored? |
| 01:59.42 | oil | off the top of my head? |
| 01:59.49 | oil | it's on the phone |
| 01:59.55 | oil | :) |
| 02:00.05 | zsoc | jhojho: just as a suggestion... it might make a difference _which_ db |
| 02:00.15 | zsoc | some apps use various cookies and data locations and no db at all |
| 02:00.25 | zsoc | or which apps for that matter |
| 02:00.29 | jhojho | the facebook beta app specifically |
| 02:00.46 | zsoc | That's more reasonable to fine :) you might be able to grep the app folder for ".db" |
| 02:00.46 | jhojho | seems to have stopped working for me recently and I wanted to see if the db was corrupted |
| 02:00.54 | zsoc | s/fine/find |
| 02:00.55 | jhojho | I can get the new notifications |
| 02:01.04 | jhojho | but none of the other pages are updating |
| 02:01.08 | jhojho | very strange |
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| 02:33.52 | gaffo_home | damnit, back to not being able to find -lpng12 on evas |
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| 02:55.25 | zsoc | 22:51:42.336 d _telephonyAudio: got '{ "macroEventAudioPath":{"firstCallStarted":true , "lastCallEnded":false}}' |
| 02:56.14 | zsoc | 22:51:42.336 d State::setCurrentScenarioModule: phone |
| 02:56.18 | zsoc | I want this code lol |
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| 03:05.44 | gaffo_home | rwhitby, okay, I was trying to figure this out earlier and couldn't so I tried a fresh compile. Still happening. I'm building off of the 1.4 doctor and I'm getting erros building evas, namely that it can't make the loaders/png because it can't find -lpng12. I can't figure out how to debug this at all. |
| 03:07.07 | gaffo_home | and under my sb2 environment for arm7, there is a libpng12.so under /usr/local/lib |
| 03:07.23 | rwhitby | gaffo_home: I'd move evas to nonworking and continue on. |
| 03:07.36 | gaffo_home | okay, what is evas anyway? |
| 03:07.43 | gaffo_home | and there are a few things that depend on it |
| 03:07.45 | rwhitby | enlightment widget set stuff |
| 03:08.50 | zsoc | rwhitby: can you makescript magic the dep line so i can start organizing the widk? |
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| 03:10.47 | zsoc | rwhitby: what if we change "${MAKE} -C ../../packages/$$dep stage" to "${MAKE} -C ../$$dep stage" |
| 03:11.03 | gaffo_home | so far that moves evas, expedite, efreet and ecore into non-working |
| 03:11.39 | zsoc | rwhitby: wouldn't that just make it look up 1 directory from wherever you or? or should I make an eif to ../*/ or something? |
| 03:12.04 | zsoc | gaffo_home: -lpng12 means it's having problems finding libpng12... it might be being staged wrong. I looked at it shortly the other day.. it's probably something simple |
| 03:12.23 | gaffo_home | zsoc, this is with the 1.4.0 doctor btw |
| 03:12.34 | zsoc | ah |
| 03:12.44 | zsoc | i'm not sure what doctor i had when running into that |
| 03:12.48 | zsoc | i think it happened with the 1.3.5 also tho |
| 03:13.18 | gaffo_home | and I have libpng12.so in /usr/local/lib when under the sb2 armv7 shell |
| 03:13.23 | gaffo_home | hmm |
| 03:13.35 | gaffo_home | well, I'm just trying to get the 1.4 stuff in so that we can get the native PDK hooks |
| 03:13.49 | gaffo_home | for things like PDL_GetCurrentPath and the like |
| 03:15.25 | gaffo_home | zsoc, but that evas autoconf makefile is so inpenetrable. 90% of it is unused garbage like DNA. and I can't get it to spit out what it's actually doing, it's trying to be nice about it's output. |
| 03:15.28 | zsoc | that's a good idea |
| 03:15.41 | zsoc | gaffo_home: eh, just shove it in nonworking, no one is offended |
| 03:15.56 | gaffo_home | I'm sure someone will be :) but they can just fix it. |
| 03:15.57 | zsoc | gaffo_home: soon evas, X, and gst/plugins will all me in extras/ and out of packages anyway |
| 03:16.06 | zsoc | s/me/be |
| 03:16.14 | gaffo_home | oh, cool |
| 03:16.25 | raster | gaffo_home: all of that autoconf is used... fyi |
| 03:16.31 | zsoc | in fact, I'm still unsure of the _purpose_ of 'packages/' |
| 03:17.14 | zsoc | there should just be a testing/ and packages/, and only have testing/ for making sure the toolchain is working |
| 03:17.18 | gaffo_home | well, for evas, on the loaders/png, not all of it is used. I cleaned and re-built that part and several of the flags didn't seem to be used. I could be wrong tho :) |
| 03:17.24 | gaffo_home | true |
| 03:17.34 | gaffo_home | it'd be nice if there was a clobber that didn't take out the toolchain |
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| 03:18.19 | gaffo_home | I've had to clobber a few times and totally start over figuring if my environmen is sane |
| 03:19.14 | raster | gaffo_home: they are used. they exist for a reason. the configur eoptions and checks do useful things. there is a lot of code that may be enabbled, disabled or modified in behavior by these build options |
| 03:19.56 | gaffo_home | aah |
| 03:20.04 | gaffo_home | doesn't make it easy to debug tho :) |
| 03:21.05 | raster | well -lpng12 ... its trying toi link to libpng |
| 03:21.12 | gaffo_home | yeah, I get that |
| 03:21.17 | jacques | evas built fine for me earlier today |
| 03:21.27 | gaffo_home | yes, in 1.3.5 |
| 03:21.29 | gaffo_home | :) |
| 03:21.43 | gaffo_home | I just cant figure out how it's trying to link (Eg it's hiding the options and paths) |
| 03:21.49 | jacques | so you are only moving it to nonworking in the 1.4.0 branch? |
| 03:21.54 | raster | somewhere it asked pngk-config or libpng12 - libpng10 or libpng packages |
| 03:22.07 | raster | and one of these said "link to libpng by doing -lpng" |
| 03:22.15 | raster | so check the libpng*.pc files inb your build env |
| 03:22.26 | raster | they are what are saying to use that linking mechanism |
| 03:22.27 | gaffo_home | raster, that's a good idea |
| 03:22.56 | raster | look at evas_loader.m4 for the autofoo that checks for loader deps |
| 03:22.59 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 03:24.03 | gaffo_home | okay, the libpng ones both point to /usr/local/lib/lpng12 |
| 03:24.06 | gaffo_home | er |
| 03:24.15 | gaffo_home | /usr/local/lib and -lpng12 |
| 03:24.22 | gaffo_home | which is in /usr/local/lib |
| 03:24.30 | raster | there u go |
| 03:24.39 | gaffo_home | so why wouldn't it be able to find it |
| 03:24.46 | gaffo_home | everythign is pointed correctly |
| 03:24.49 | raster | so your .pc files - which well.. are part of your libpng dev install are saying to use the wrong thing |
| 03:25.00 | raster | well does libpng12.so exist? |
| 03:25.03 | gaffo_home | yes |
| 03:25.06 | gaffo_home | in /usr/local/lib |
| 03:25.09 | raster | if it says -lpng12 ... then u need a libpng12.so |
| 03:25.13 | gaffo_home | yes |
| 03:25.18 | gaffo_home | and that's in /usr/local/lib |
| 03:25.28 | gaffo_home | so it should link |
| 03:25.34 | raster | and that neeeds to be in the lib link path (specified by the -Ldir options) |
| 03:25.48 | gaffo_home | which is point ing at /usr/local/lib |
| 03:26.10 | raster | but are u building for your desktop?? |
| 03:26.13 | raster | or cross-building? |
| 03:26.14 | gaffo_home | http://webos.pastebin.com/6ZeN5F2M |
| 03:26.16 | gaffo_home | cross |
| 03:26.21 | gaffo_home | this is all cross widk stuff |
| 03:26.25 | raster | then /usr/local/lib is your host system stuff |
| 03:26.32 | raster | not your target |
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| 03:26.39 | gaffo_home | not when I'm in SB2 |
| 03:26.46 | raster | your problem is withiin the target libslibdirs/etc. etc.. |
| 03:26.51 | raster | not sure about sb2 |
| 03:26.53 | raster | cant help there |
| 03:26.56 | gaffo_home | which is how all this builds, I'm pretty sure |
| 03:27.20 | raster | but libpng12.so shoudl be an arm elf shared library |
| 03:27.23 | raster | run file on it tyo see |
| 03:27.27 | raster | if its z86 - no wonder it doesnt link |
| 03:27.42 | gaffo_home | /usr/local/lib under sb2 maps to /srv/preware/cross-compile/staging/armv7/usr/lib |
| 03:27.56 | gaffo_home | but that'd be a differnt error |
| 03:27.59 | gaffo_home | like endian |
| 03:28.11 | raster | no |
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| 03:28.26 | raster | ity will simply ignore the file if its not arm |
| 03:28.33 | gaffo_home | hrm, didn't know that |
| 03:28.39 | raster | when linking |
| 03:28.47 | gaffo_home | hrm. so looking closer, it looks like libpng12.so is a broken symbolic link |
| 03:28.55 | raster | aaaaaah! |
| 03:29.03 | raster | you should have said that before |
| 03:29.04 | raster | :) |
| 03:29.09 | raster | (when i asked if u have it) |
| 03:29.12 | raster | as yes - its a symlinks |
| 03:29.18 | gaffo_home | I did have it :) |
| 03:29.21 | raster | and i assumed u'd have checked the link is valid :) |
| 03:29.39 | gaffo_home | I thought the linker barfed more verbosely |
| 03:29.45 | gaffo_home | http://webos.pastebin.com/mq4CCd7t |
| 03:29.56 | gaffo_home | so why do we think that that symlink is being created invalidly? |
| 03:30.05 | gaffo_home | and how should we fix that? |
| 03:30.12 | raster | can't help u there |
| 03:30.37 | gaffo_home | hmm. |
| 03:30.43 | raster | u'll have to dig into whoever/whatever manages those libpng files |
| 03:30.52 | raster | but evas is doing the right thing |
| 03:30.57 | raster | not evas's fault |
| 03:30.58 | raster | :) |
| 03:31.27 | gaffo_home | true, but it comes down to should the evas thing keep me from pushing an update to using 1.4 to the WIDK |
| 03:31.37 | gaffo_home | rwhitby, is there like an issues list with the WIDK so I can mark that down and push? |
| 03:31.52 | gaffo_home | but thanks for the help, and sorry if I got a bit heated :) |
| 03:31.56 | raster | well evas found a broken part of your build env |
| 03:32.07 | gaffo_home | *our* :) |
| 03:32.27 | raster | so yes - it should stop it as it says "yoou have a broken env - this could be more pervasive in more subtle ways that have not turned up as errors yet and should be investiigated" |
| 03:32.29 | raster | like all debugging |
| 03:32.50 | raster | u can try fix the symptom |
| 03:32.57 | raster | or simply try and ignore it (by not buidling evas) |
| 03:33.13 | raster | u can anually fix the libpng symlink- that will patch the symptom up |
| 03:33.20 | raster | but u still dont knwo HOW it became like that |
| 03:33.28 | raster | will some future update.action re-create the same issue |
| 03:33.33 | raster | willl it keeep biting you? |
| 03:33.42 | raster | you don't know as u dont know how it happened :) |
| 03:35.10 | rwhitby | it's clear that there is nothing here which is the fault of one particular package or another. any errors are the fault of the WIDK cross-compilation scratchbox2 build environment, cause the upstream packages obviously build perfectly in their native build environments. |
| 03:36.37 | gaffo_home | it's all everyones fault! |
| 03:37.14 | rwhitby | gaffo_home: we should categorise the packages into groups (e.g. base, e17, x11, sdl, etc) and then have each group buildable separately. |
| 03:37.25 | gaffo_home | kk |
| 03:37.45 | gaffo_home | is that what zsoc is working on? |
| 03:38.29 | zsoc | no, but i've made the suggestion many times :) and may undertake it if it doesn't happen |
| 03:38.45 | zsoc | but we need to fix how deps are handled first |
| 03:40.50 | gaffo_home | what's the problem there? |
| 03:41.03 | gaffo_home | that things are always rebuilt? |
| 03:41.12 | gaffo_home | or never? |
| 03:42.41 | zsoc | gaffo_home: it checks a static location at the moment (packages/$$dep) |
| 03:42.53 | zsoc | obviously now we're going to have to have deps relative to where the package is building |
| 03:43.09 | gaffo_home | true. we also do multiple passes through |
| 03:43.18 | zsoc | well, not really relative, because if it's 1 level up then you can't share deps |
| 03:43.23 | gaffo_home | which also makes thigns difficult |
| 03:43.28 | zsoc | shrugs |
| 03:43.33 | zsoc | i'm no makescript magician |
| 03:43.39 | gaffo_home | nor am I:) |
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| 03:45.30 | gaffo_home | dang, now libsdl-mixer is failing, can't find avformat |
| 03:46.54 | gaffo_home | looks like libavformat.so.52 is in there but no symlink from libavformat.so to it |
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| 03:47.51 | rwhitby | zsoc: we could list deps as relative to the top-level, e.g. packages/foo, untested/bar, nonworking/baz, and then prepend ../.. in the for loop. |
| 03:48.02 | gaffo_home | might it be that since I'm pulling the SDL 1.3.5 source and patch, and I now need to pull the 1.4 ones? |
| 03:48.24 | zsoc | rwhitby: we'd have to update every makefile... |
| 03:48.39 | rwhitby | gaffo_home: yes, all sources and patches should also be updated the 1.4, and the stage target in each makefile should create any missing symlinks in the staging area |
| 03:48.42 | rwhitby | zsoc: yup |
| 03:49.01 | zsoc | rwhitby: i guess it's not the worst option. I mean right now i'm ../'ing anyway |
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| 03:58.29 | gaffo_home | hrm, it looks like the libpng build has a patch and has had for some time, but we're not applying it. |
| 04:01.42 | rwhitby | Cool, just got my first donation from an application developer who wants their app supported by Save/Restore |
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| 04:03.38 | castle` | 800mhz ty |
| 04:04.34 | zsoc | rwhitby: hopefully it's a sign of things to come |
| 04:04.41 | zsoc | castle`: hello wircer |
| 04:04.54 | castle` | word |
| 04:04.59 | castle` | love wirc |
| 04:06.27 | zsoc | word up |
| 04:09.45 | oil | word |
| 04:09.47 | oil | lol |
| 04:12.32 | rwhitby | oil: BTW, Save/Restore is an example of how the single package Preware can be done. |
| 04:12.43 | oil | yeah, thats good fun |
| 04:17.05 | rwhitby | hopefully we can work out any kinks with it before we transition preware |
| 04:17.30 | rwhitby | oil: any critical apps that you want supported by Save/Restore ? |
| 04:22.11 | oil | notes app? |
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| 04:30.34 | rwhitby | the built-in one? |
| 04:30.42 | rwhitby | it doesn't save as part of your profile? |
| 04:32.28 | gaffo_home | rwhitby, pushed new updates to the doctor_14 branch. it's still not there and I need to start over with a recompile unfortunately. |
| 04:32.50 | oil | oh, idk rwhitby |
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| 04:42.11 | Garage_ | Hi |
| 04:42.41 | Garage_ | I just did the 800 mhz patch and was wondering if a temp of 39C was too hot for the pre to be running at? |
| 04:43.26 | manderton | don't know the answer to your question, but curious -- seeing much of an improvement? |
| 04:43.57 | Garage_ | definetlly |
| 04:44.23 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 04:44.48 | gaffo_home | So one thing I was noticing about the WIDK build is that the download cache is not based upon the palm version but the lib version, even if there are possibly differences. |
| 04:47.11 | manderton | how do I unpack an ipk? |
| 04:48.26 | gaffo_home | manderton, what are you trying to do with it? |
| 04:48.58 | manderton | learn from someone else's code |
| 04:49.08 | manderton | make a few changes to a homebrew app |
| 04:49.10 | gaffo_home | 7zip will take them apart |
| 04:49.10 | manderton | etc |
| 04:49.37 | manderton | how 'bout on linux? |
| 04:49.51 | gaffo_home | ^ |
| 04:50.04 | manderton | they're not really zips are they? |
| 04:50.29 | gaffo_home | if by zip you mean the format, no |
| 04:50.41 | gaffo_home | they're ipx files |
| 04:51.02 | gaffo_home | just extract it with 7zip |
| 04:51.19 | gaffo_home | apt-get install p7zip-full |
| 04:52.32 | manderton | perfect thanks |
| 04:53.17 | gaffo_home | np |
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| 05:56.32 | gaffo_home | rwhitby, have you seen: http://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=5964 |
| 06:07.14 | gaffo_home | ugh, bout time for bed |
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| 08:53.40 | hape | hi, can someone help me with the git commandline to clon doctor_14 instaed of master? |
| 09:07.01 | hape | How do I clone the webos 1.4 toolchain insted of 1.3.5? I serach the web for the right command but do not find them |
| 09:07.30 | hape | Is used th cvs not to git |
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| 09:20.10 | dtzWill | hape: when you 'git clone' you actually grab the /entire/ repo incl all the branches--so then you just checkout the branch you want (git checkout doctor_14) |
| 09:28.06 | hape | ok, will try. thx |
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| 09:38.26 | hape | where do i need to do that? when i'm in the cross-complie dir after the clone, then I ony get an error |
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| 09:41.07 | dtzWill | hape: should work, just tried it to verify too. what's your error? |
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| 09:50.53 | hape | dtzWill: hjochman@tp-W500:/srv/preware/cross-compile$ git checkout doctor_14 |
| 09:50.56 | hape | error: pathspec 'doctor_14' did not match any file(s) known to git. |
| 09:51.29 | hape | It's new fresh cloend git |
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| 09:54.35 | dtzWill | hape: oh that command was kinda lazy. 'git checkout -b doctor_14 origin/doctor_14'? |
| 09:56.17 | dtzWill | hape: i think earlier versions of git make you be more explicit, not sure |
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| 09:58.13 | hape | dtzWill: worked, lets see if the rest now works. |
| 10:06.21 | hape | let's see if i now get compiled a working navit |
| 10:15.07 | hape | I added the info to the wiki, thanks |
| 10:36.26 | dtzWill | hape: good to hear, ty for wiki edit :) |
| 10:53.36 | hape | hm, running on an error. dtzWill could you take a look please, i have no idea http://pastebin.com/PQE9N1Nd |
| 10:54.23 | hape | happen while 'make stage' |
| 11:03.04 | dtzWill | hape: i'm about to crash sorry :). afaik the 1.4 stuff is a WIP, and I haven't been a part of that.. i think gaffo is leading the effort on that front |
| 11:03.50 | hape | ok, no problem. will wait if someone shows up how know. |
| 11:04.07 | hape | Happy to be able to help a bit to bring things forword. |
| 11:04.11 | dtzWill | but mostly looks like the glib in 1.4 doesn't have that install target, not sure if that's not needed or if we should be doing something else |
| 11:04.12 | hape | thanks for your help |
| 11:04.19 | dtzWill | hape: sounds good, you're welcome, and have a good one :) |
| 11:05.01 | dtzWill | ALSO, grumbles @ PDK having directories like "$_OUTDIR" lol |
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| 13:58.24 | rwhitby | For anyone working on the Save/Restore GUI, the initial list service method now returns a "timestamp" field with a numeric seconds since the epoch value for the timestamp of the most recent save. It would be good to display that in the Restore Application Data list somewhere for each entry (different entries might have different timestamps) |
| 13:58.51 | rwhitby | bbt - night all |
| 13:58.55 | zsoc_wirc | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.57 | zsoc_wirc | later |
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| 15:09.58 | HaevyMetall | hello |
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| 15:25.18 | mjkjr | hello |
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| 15:25.36 | mjkjr | rwhitby: i haven't forgot ;-) |
| 15:26.26 | mjkjr | does anyone have some suggestions of some preware "taglines" I could add to my patch? |
| 15:26.51 | mjkjr | thinks it's kind of lame and wants to update it |
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| 15:27.53 | mjkjr | will finally submit it to preware after that =) |
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| 15:32.35 | playya | is it possible to prevent the pre from suspending? |
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| 16:26.34 | gaffo_home | rwhitby, heyo, did you see that link I posted to you last night? That actually works just fine under linux, you just have to extract the PDK with 7zip and then install the linux version of the toolchain. I'm going to try it with some non-sample code. I keep getting all sorts of compile issues with the 1.4 doctor from the branch. |
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| 16:31.38 | mjkjr | probably a silly question. How do I "back swipe" in the emulator or minimize an app? |
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| 16:33.41 | mischko | Python run on a Palm Pre Plus? |
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| 16:36.01 | mjkjr | is it even possible to back swipe or minimize a window in the emulator |
| 16:36.04 | gaffo_home | mjkjr, esc I think |
| 16:36.10 | mjkjr | s/window/card/ |
| 16:36.35 | mjkjr | gaffo_home: yep, thank you very much |
| 16:37.08 | gaffo_home | np |
| 16:44.27 | mjkjr | i searched on p|c but didn't find anser so i have another dumb question, am i able to install preware or connect to webos qi using the emulator? |
| 16:47.10 | mjkjr | i'm more than happy to read if someone could point me to some useful info. I don't need the answers handed to me, I just need to know where I can find the answers on my own. |
| 16:47.35 | gaffo_home | mjkjr, the emulator is all compiled for i686, so some of the stuff will work (webos tweaks) but other stuff (native) won't |
| 16:47.44 | gaffo_home | so like ssh servers wouldn't work. |
| 16:48.57 | mischko | Is there a list of packages available for a hacked WebOS? |
| 16:51.00 | psykoz | hacked webos? |
| 16:51.04 | psykoz | does anyone hack webOS around here? |
| 16:51.06 | mjkjr | lol |
| 16:51.09 | psykoz | I've never had to hack my webOS |
| 16:51.31 | mischko | ;) |
| 16:51.37 | gaffo_home | patch? |
| 16:51.47 | mjkjr | thank you gaffo_home |
| 16:52.04 | mischko | that's right. |
| 16:52.33 | gaffo_home | np |
| 16:52.47 | mjkjr | mischko: so what is a "hacked WebOS"? |
| 16:53.09 | mischko | a WebOS where you can install your own apps on it? |
| 16:53.16 | mischko | I'm brand new to the web-os community. |
| 16:53.30 | mischko | Have a Centro now. Considering upgrading to a Pre Plus so I can do Linux on the phone. |
| 16:53.33 | mjkjr | that's the regular WebOS, lol |
| 16:53.41 | gaffo_home | later all |
| 16:53.44 | mischko | All the better. |
| 16:53.51 | mjkjr | no "hacking" involved |
| 16:54.02 | chrisa | twitches |
| 16:54.03 | mischko | So it's not like a Linksys router's LInux. |
| 16:54.08 | mischko | Linux |
| 16:54.31 | mischko | More like a real linux? |
| 16:54.46 | mjkjr | just upgrade from the centro and you'll see =) I did and I'm happy |
| 16:54.47 | chrisa | It's a standard OE type linux install |
| 16:54.56 | chrisa | Don't try to compare to centro, mainly |
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| 16:55.21 | mischko | I've been doing Linux for a long time. To be able to run things like Python on my phone will be very nice. |
| 16:56.10 | mischko | I'm also interested in Adobe Flex programming. Anyone know what status is of Flash and Air on WebOS? |
| 16:58.12 | mischko | I'd also love to run Firefox on it if it has enough horsepower. |
| 16:58.37 | chrisa | You're not going to see air on an embedded device anytime soon |
| 16:58.52 | chrisa | (if ever) |
| 16:59.19 | mischko | chrisa, that's what I was thinking. I can live without that. |
| 16:59.41 | mischko | Firefox would be very nice, especially if I can use the adblocking extension, etc. |
| 16:59.59 | mischko | I'm trying to figure out how far I can go in replacing my laptop with one of these phoens. |
| 17:00.03 | chrisa | firefox would probably run, but you'd need to kill the luna ui to free up the framebuffer and have some sort of directfb-esc ff port |
| 17:00.06 | mjkjr | there is an adblocking patch for WebOS |
| 17:01.23 | mischko | mjkjr, cool. What web browser does it run? Opera? |
| 17:01.56 | mjkjr | WebOS browser? |
| 17:02.10 | mischko | It's a custom web browser? |
| 17:02.11 | chrisa | I get this feeling you've never looked at the OS or apps on a pre/pixi |
| 17:02.27 | mischko | chrisa, right. I'm just now considering upgrading. Have not explored it yet. |
| 17:05.15 | chrisa | I'd suggest you just go into a store and play around, it's not like Maemo (which runs X) |
| 17:06.44 | mischko | chrisa, I will. Sorry for the "newbie" questions. |
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| 19:56.38 | oc80w | wow eh |
| 20:00.30 | oc80w | wheres that kernel dev wiki |
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| 20:19.11 | MetaView | hi |
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| 20:55.08 | hape | hi MetaView |
| 20:56.27 | MetaView | hi |
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| 21:13.49 | MetaView | get an segmentation fault when I try to load a png image with IMG_Load() |
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| 21:43.24 | datafirm | hello |
| 21:43.34 | datafirm | is there a way to power the pre on without the power button? |
| 21:43.37 | datafirm | my button is broken |
| 21:43.45 | en0x | [; |
| 21:43.47 | en0x | lol |
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| 21:44.20 | en0x | u should install the wake on lan patch beforeu had pre running |
| 21:44.21 | en0x | :) |
| 21:44.29 | halfhalo_T400 | hmmmm |
| 21:44.41 | gaffo_home | I think it'll wake when you put the usb in |
| 21:44.43 | halfhalo_T400 | there is a shiny ftp-get app on my pre |
| 21:44.47 | datafirm | en0x: haha.. i should have :) |
| 21:44.47 | gaffo_home | spacerbar also |
| 21:45.14 | gaffo_home | datafirm, sprint just replaced mine for an issue like that |
| 21:45.15 | datafirm | gaffo_home: word. that did it. thanks |
| 21:45.18 | gaffo_home | np |
| 21:45.24 | datafirm | gaffo_home: good to know.. |
| 21:45.36 | datafirm | gaffo_home: mine has been dropped many times.. so. we'll see :) |
| 21:45.37 | gaffo_home | I used space for a while, then the keyboard went out |
| 21:45.48 | gaffo_home | mine had chunks out of it |
| 21:45.50 | datafirm | gaffo_home: space without the usb plugged in? |
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| 21:46.50 | gaffo_home | yeah |
| 21:47.04 | gaffo_home | they did that cause it's hard to hit the power with the keyboard exposed |
| 21:47.22 | datafirm | cool. |
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| 21:54.18 | datafirm | gaffo_home: I supped the only way to hard reset would be to pull battery then? |
| 21:54.26 | datafirm | since the power button is broke. |
| 21:54.39 | datafirm | sym+orange+r is just a restart? |
| 21:55.43 | en0x | yap |
| 22:00.25 | MetaView | broken power buttons are Palm's all-time-favorit |
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| 22:11.16 | karotte_exee | hi |
| 22:11.35 | karotte_exee | is here someone who have the carrier o2? |
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| 22:11.59 | hape | jep, me in germany |
| 22:13.06 | karotte_exee | kk |
| 22:13.21 | hape | karotte_exee: why you ask? |
| 22:14.51 | MetaView | using IMG_Load() with SDL_INIT_NOPARACHUTE will crash |
| 22:15.17 | MetaView | o2 will release a Wifi-Hotspot app |
| 22:17.44 | karotte_exee | MetaView: hey, are you by o2? |
| 22:23.41 | MetaView | yes |
| 22:23.50 | MetaView | well, what do you mean? |
| 22:23.55 | MetaView | I'm not working for them |
| 22:24.05 | MetaView | it's just my carrier for the Palm Pre |
| 22:24.17 | karotte_exee | i have a strange problem with tethering |
| 22:24.45 | MetaView | I'm not using it. No need ot be honest. |
| 22:25.11 | karotte_exee | :( |
| 22:26.06 | karotte_exee | du know, when (approximate) o 2 will release the hotspot? |
| 22:26.19 | karotte_exee | *do |
| 22:26.26 | MetaView | it was a news on www.heise.de |
| 22:26.28 | karotte_exee | *do you |
| 22:26.35 | karotte_exee | danke |
| 22:26.38 | MetaView | bitte |
| 22:29.00 | karotte_exee | vielleicht kommts am 31. märz mitm vollem appcatalog |
| 22:29.17 | MetaView | vielleicht |
| 22:31.16 | karotte_exee | bb, i'm tired! |
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| 22:41.57 | dtzWill | chrisa: http://wdtz.org/pre_x/ice2.png in X running on the pre, in a card. no eed to kill luna or use directfb :) |
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| 22:43.43 | dtzWill | just saying :D |
| 22:44.35 | MetaView | fine :) |
| 22:45.59 | dtzWill | zsoc: ! 'ello! :) |
| 22:46.18 | zsoc | dtzWill: ello gov |
| 22:49.27 | zsoc | every time l think there's nothing left to patch... 5 new patches come out |
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| 23:04.10 | GreedyB | Has anyone been able to get "Mode Switcher" to work? |
| 23:04.24 | zsoc | GreedyB: i'm imagine it's developer |
| 23:04.29 | zsoc | s/i'm/i'd/ |
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| 23:45.38 | imop45 | hi all |
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| 23:46.21 | imop45 | Too bad webchat.freenode.net doesn't work correctly on my Pre. |
| 23:47.03 | psykoz | you don't use webos's irc client? |
| 23:48.27 | imop45 | no I don't, I tried and it didn't work correctly and I don't want to mess with it. |
| 23:49.00 | imop45 | It's about to cut out here in a second |
| 23:49.13 | imop45 | Just need one more line to pass |
| 23:49.42 | imop45 | ok, great. I have a question. Is it possible to have a verbose boot screen? |
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| 23:53.17 | imop45 | I think it would be neat to see it start up like a regular linuxbox |
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| 23:56.17 | imop45 | what's the startup manager for webOS called? |
| 23:56.39 | zsoc | upstart? |
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| 23:57.20 | imop45 | simple as that ltm? |
| 23:59.59 | imop45 | a quick research sprint, there init also. So is it init or upstart? |
