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| 00:02.53 | oil | rwhitby, why doesnt the backup script copy the feeds out and back in? |
| 00:03.33 | lingfish | Anyone else have the issue? And in .au by any chance? rwhitby ? |
| 00:04.05 | sbromwich | what's the timezone bug? |
| 00:04.35 | lingfish | Well, my time rolled back fine at end of our daylight saving here a few days ago... |
| 00:04.41 | lingfish | and its gone back another hour now :/ |
| 00:04.52 | sbromwich | oops |
| 00:04.53 | lingfish | and there's no zdump installed on the phone |
| 00:04.58 | sbromwich | that sucks :-/ |
| 00:05.14 | zsoc | sbromwich: 8GB sticks are pretty cheap here. Even 16GBs on sale. |
| 00:05.34 | sbromwich | oh, the whole shooting match will fit on an 8 gig stick? |
| 00:05.45 | zsoc | I can't imagine it won't |
| 00:05.50 | zsoc | maybe i'm being stupid tho |
| 00:06.09 | sbromwich | 651 meg for the cross compile directory ;-) |
| 00:06.19 | zsoc | how big is 4347676 ? |
| 00:06.30 | zsoc | 4.2GB |
| 00:06.32 | sbromwich | bytes? |
| 00:06.39 | zsoc | that's how much my entire vbox is so far |
| 00:06.47 | sbromwich | ah ok |
| 00:06.47 | zsoc | and i have all sorts of crazy stuff installed/staged |
| 00:07.44 | sbromwich | git checkout -b doctor_14 origin/doctor_14 in the toolchain directory? |
| 00:08.11 | zsoc | i'm not sure what that comment is exactly |
| 00:08.15 | zsoc | i think it's for specific doctor versions |
| 00:08.19 | zsoc | i suppose _14 is 1.4 |
| 00:08.20 | zsoc | so sure |
| 00:08.26 | sbromwich | ok |
| 00:08.31 | sbromwich | I suppose I should try _141 |
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| 00:09.00 | zsoc | sbromwich: and it would be in /srv/preware |
| 00:09.04 | sbromwich | ah, no _141, not what I thought it was |
| 00:09.05 | sbromwich | *nod* |
| 00:09.23 | zsoc | doctor version shouldn't matter in this case anyhow |
| 00:10.39 | lingfish | Can someone give me a build of the zdump binary, that'll run on a Pre? |
| 00:11.18 | lingfish | Seems to be a different arch to i386 ;) |
| 00:11.34 | sbromwich | how odd ;-) |
| 00:11.42 | en0x | lol |
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| 00:13.23 | festa | anyone here |
| 00:13.36 | bpadalino | i think we're alone now |
| 00:13.47 | festa | i got i question about the WebOS QI program |
| 00:13.56 | festa | maybe you could help me |
| 00:14.02 | bpadalino | oh, i've never used it before |
| 00:14.03 | bpadalino | :( |
| 00:14.15 | sbromwich | make stage fails with 404 on http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p14r0d02252010/sr1ntp140rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar |
| 00:14.16 | festa | do you know about the WEbOs QI Prog? |
| 00:14.21 | festa | oh |
| 00:14.24 | bpadalino | i know about it |
| 00:14.28 | zsoc | sbromwich: does your box have an internet connection? |
| 00:14.36 | sbromwich | yup |
| 00:14.40 | bpadalino | link is broken |
| 00:14.43 | zsoc | oh, that link is bad |
| 00:14.45 | sbromwich | it downloaded the rest of the toolchain ok |
| 00:14.59 | zsoc | you can download the doctor and just put it in that folder |
| 00:15.00 | zsoc | 1 sec |
| 00:15.01 | bpadalino | should be http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p1411r0d03312010/sr1ntp1411rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar |
| 00:15.12 | sbromwich | thanks bpadalino |
| 00:15.24 | zsoc | sbromwich: navigate to /cross-compile/doctors/ and wget that link |
| 00:16.04 | festa | soea anyone know why when i try and use the themer on WEbOsQI and i clikc load them it says that it is disabled until the Theming Specifications are put in place? |
| 00:16.37 | bpadalino | probably because theming was causing all sortsa issues beforehand |
| 00:16.46 | bpadalino | and there was no standard way to put them together ? |
| 00:17.00 | festa | oh |
| 00:17.06 | festa | i have no idea lol |
| 00:17.13 | sbromwich | bpadalino: do you have an alternative for http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pixi/px14r0d02252010/sr1ntp140rod/webosdoctorp200ewwsprint.jar too? |
| 00:17.16 | festa | i mean i can use the Preware to put themes on it |
| 00:17.31 | bpadalino | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
| 00:17.36 | festa | but after i put a theme on it i have to goback to the default theme befor i can load another one |
| 00:17.38 | sbromwich | ah, thanks |
| 00:17.55 | bpadalino | no problemo |
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| 00:19.33 | lingfish | weird... a reboot has fixed my time issue, so far... |
| 00:19.56 | raster | burrp |
| 00:20.01 | raster | lingfish: yo |
| 00:20.10 | zsoc | raaaaassssstaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 00:20.51 | festa | im viewing my palm using a folder on my comp all my music is in the main folder if i make a sub foder named Music and transfer all my music to it will they still be in my playlist? |
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| 00:21.16 | sbromwich | lingfish: ntpdate running on startup? I would have thought it would have stropped out on too much clock skew though |
| 00:22.00 | festa | anyone? |
| 00:22.22 | en0x | festa: yes |
| 00:22.23 | sbromwich | Try it with just one album's worth of files and see what happens? |
| 00:22.54 | festa | ok thanks |
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| 00:23.23 | festa | i figure the phone just searches for .wma and .mp3s in the folder anyway |
| 00:23.26 | festa | in all folders |
| 00:25.00 | zsoc | festa: it searches for many filetypes anywhere in /media/internal, and then checks their metadata to sort them properly |
| 00:25.00 | sbromwich | sod... bombed out trying to compile openssl |
| 00:25.13 | zsoc | define bombed |
| 00:25.32 | halfhalo_T400 | nukes? |
| 00:25.36 | halfhalo_T400 | :] |
| 00:25.47 | sbromwich | I'm trying to figure out quite where but it failed to compile with errors on libcrypto.so.* and libssl.,so.* |
| 00:26.02 | zsoc | sbromwich: try a different package.. something known to build with no DEPs.. like uh.. |
| 00:26.15 | sbromwich | this is trying to do make stage |
| 00:26.20 | rwhitby | lingfish: my time is correct on the Pre |
| 00:26.31 | zsoc | sbromwich: bison |
| 00:26.36 | rwhitby | oil: good point - it probably should save the feeds config too |
| 00:26.40 | raster | zsoc: zs! |
| 00:26.42 | festa | thanks z |
| 00:26.44 | festa | anyone know what the mountcfs text doc is? |
| 00:26.47 | sbromwich | 2010-04-05 21:24:21.793 (ERROR) bash[20665] Unidentified executable detected (/srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/openssl/build/src/Configure) |
| 00:26.49 | zsoc | sbromwich: cd to packages/bison and 'make stage' |
| 00:27.08 | sbromwich | root@itssab-aspire:/srv/preware/cross-compile# head -n 3 /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/openssl/build/src/Configure |
| 00:27.09 | sbromwich | : |
| 00:27.09 | sbromwich | eval 'exec perl -S $0 ${1+"$@"}' |
| 00:27.09 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.20 | sbromwich | no hash bang? |
| 00:27.32 | sbromwich | ok |
| 00:27.34 | zsoc | sbromwich: I have no idea what you are doing, but please stop :D cd to packages/bison and 'make stage' |
| 00:27.40 | lingfish | rwhitby: very, very strange. |
| 00:27.44 | lingfish | Dunno what it was |
| 00:28.09 | sbromwich | it would not be beyond the bounds of possibility that this machine has a dicky ram chip in it too though |
| 00:28.39 | sbromwich | configure seems to be running happily for bison now |
| 00:28.55 | rwhitby | sbromwich: note that the WIDK is in no way represented to be a mature cross-compilation environment. I would have preferred to go with an OpenEmbedded setup using palm's config, but they haven't published such. |
| 00:29.18 | zsoc | sbromwich: unfortunately ram seems to be a major issue with running cpu emulators in a virtual box |
| 00:29.20 | rwhitby | So you should not expect polish and should expect problems :-) |
| 00:29.21 | sbromwich | rwhitby: understood... I'm just happy to get my hands on whatever I can :-) |
| 00:29.36 | zsoc | sbromwich: for what you're trying to compile, this should be perfect. and hell, it sets up really fast ;) |
| 00:29.40 | rwhitby | sbromwich: no worries, with that understanding it should work pretty well |
| 00:29.58 | sbromwich | how vital is openssl to getting things going? |
| 00:30.26 | sbromwich | and now bison is compiling |
| 00:30.49 | sbromwich | make[1]: Leaving directory `/srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/bison/build/src' |
| 00:30.50 | sbromwich | touch build/armv7.built |
| 00:30.53 | sbromwich | tada |
| 00:31.08 | zsoc | congratulations, you have a working cross compile environment |
| 00:31.24 | sbromwich | oh, that's it? |
| 00:31.36 | sbromwich | I was under the misimpression I was building it right now ;-) |
| 00:31.37 | zsoc | sbromwich: check Makefile 's for an example of how to use it |
| 00:31.44 | sbromwich | feels rather cheery now |
| 00:31.51 | sbromwich | ok |
| 00:31.54 | zsoc | sbromwich: nope, you already built it :D ie, vim packages/bison/Makefile |
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| 00:32.21 | zsoc | basically, you should make a new folder/Makefile for each thing you wan't to build, but you don't _have_ to. Those makefile's will show examples of how to use the ${SB2} env var to your liking |
| 00:32.45 | raster | ${PANTS} |
| 00:33.41 | sbromwich | I don't see anything obvious there I need for kernel compilation |
| 00:34.07 | rwhitby | sbromwich: oh, the kernel compilation stuff is not in there :) |
| 00:34.26 | rwhitby | sbromwich: it's in preware/build.git/hardware/uber-kernel-pre/Makefile |
| 00:34.37 | sbromwich | no, I have my own kernel tree with -rt applied then the preware patch |
| 00:34.48 | sbromwich | ta |
| 00:35.15 | sbromwich | in /srv/preware? |
| 00:35.19 | rwhitby | sbromwich: it's a basic normal kernel compile - we just set up the toolchain for CROSS_COMPILE to use |
| 00:35.48 | zsoc | And that's where I can no longer help. I know nothing about kernels. |
| 00:35.50 | sbromwich | I need to git-clone from somewhere? |
| 00:35.52 | sbromwich | *grin* |
| 00:35.59 | sbromwich | you have been very helpful zsoc, thanks :-) |
| 00:36.21 | zsoc | sbromwich: well, build.git is another makefile used for the autobuilder... if what you need rod is saying is in there, you'll welcome to grab it :) |
| 00:36.52 | sbromwich | I only have /srv/preware/cross-compile, nothing else in there |
| 00:37.06 | sbromwich | suspects he's missing something obvious (again) |
| 00:39.54 | rwhitby | sbromwich: git clone git://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build.git in /srv/preware |
| 00:40.33 | sbromwich | thanks |
| 00:45.27 | sbromwich | ok I think I've got it... now to see if it compiles :-) |
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| 00:57.08 | sbromwich | did I miss a step? When I try to compile it bombs with: /bin/sh: /srv/preware/build/toolchain/cs08q1armel/build/arm-2008q1/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc: not found |
| 00:57.23 | chrisa | Sounds like the CROSS_COMPILE var is wrong |
| 00:58.06 | zsoc | sbromwich: you built your toolchain in /srv/preware/cross-compile |
| 00:58.22 | zsoc | and that's where scratchbox should be expecting things |
| 00:58.32 | zsoc | if you want to use build.git, you can't use scratchbox |
| 00:58.41 | sbromwich | ahhhhh |
| 00:58.45 | zsoc | sbromwich: from the /srv/preware/build , you can 'make toolchain' |
| 00:58.55 | sbromwich | I'm getting closer :-) |
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| 01:07.49 | NiteTrek | rwhitby....are you here? |
| 01:08.45 | en0x | and palm said bye bye to ad agency |
| 01:08.50 | en0x | modernista sux! |
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| 01:10.30 | chrisa | They got better (after a while) |
| 01:10.45 | bpadalino | yeah, the latest ones aren't too terrible .. |
| 01:10.49 | chrisa | But the reaction to the early commercials was akin to the advertising agency in the Mr Plow episode of Simpsons |
| 01:10.51 | en0x | they picked up in pixi commercial |
| 01:11.11 | en0x | creepy lady... |
| 01:11.59 | bpadalino | chrisa, how goes things ? |
| 01:12.15 | zsoc | NiteTrek: do you need something? |
| 01:12.50 | chrisa | Things go |
| 01:13.14 | bpadalino | how is spring time out there? |
| 01:13.31 | NiteTrek | Just had a question zsoc...I'm private chatting with him now...thanks. |
| 01:13.47 | bpadalino | chrisa, got any summer time trip plans for this year ? |
| 01:13.50 | chrisa | Spring here is about the same as Winter |
| 01:13.56 | chrisa | Don't be fooled, we have no seasons |
| 01:14.27 | zsoc | NiteTrek: kk |
| 01:14.27 | bpadalino | ah, i didn't know .. we're starting to get some nicer weather .. |
| 01:14.28 | chrisa | Hmm, debating a tahoe weekend and perhaps Santorini |
| 01:14.34 | en0x | i want to move to cali |
| 01:14.35 | en0x | :) |
| 01:14.42 | bpadalino | chrisa, Santorini, eh ? never heard of it |
| 01:14.57 | chrisa | Island in Greece |
| 01:15.07 | zsoc | I want to move to the mountains in Ecuador. 65 degrees 365 days a year. |
| 01:15.25 | bpadalino | summer in the Mediterranean on an island .. sounds pretty nice |
| 01:15.45 | chrisa | Not to mention the exchange rate in greece right now is hilarious |
| 01:15.52 | chrisa | (poor greece) |
| 01:15.54 | en0x | ok time for me... first I will watch "fight club" and then sleep |
| 01:16.01 | dtzWill | en0x: fun dreams :) |
| 01:16.02 | bpadalino | night en0x |
| 01:16.10 | en0x | nite all |
| 01:16.11 | zsoc | en0x: i will keep that information in your log |
| 01:16.13 | bpadalino | poor greece indeed |
| 01:16.16 | bpadalino | in so many ways |
| 01:16.23 | bhuey | dreads the day that iPhone multitasking is announced |
| 01:16.41 | bhuey | looks like it'll be April 8th for the announcement |
| 01:16.54 | zsoc | shrugs |
| 01:16.59 | zsoc | i still don't want one |
| 01:17.20 | bpadalino | i've gotten so used to being able to novaterm and see # |
| 01:17.21 | deadsix | dont care it wont be full multitasking |
| 01:17.32 | dtzWill | now you can do all 3 things apple lets you do on your device at once!</sillycheapshot> |
| 01:17.37 | chrisa | I just want to see whose ui paradigm they steal for it |
| 01:17.49 | bhuey | deadsix: it won't ? |
| 01:18.03 | zsoc | chrisa: well as it is, safari on iphone OS already handles tabs similar to webOS |
| 01:18.17 | chrisa | Who knows, but Apple has made it clear in the past they don't think it's a good idea |
| 01:18.27 | zsoc | yeah, a lot of security risks, lol |
| 01:18.57 | deadsix | @ bhuey it probably wont |
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| 01:20.01 | Mountaineer | greetings |
| 01:20.20 | chrisa | Apple also probably does not want to risk a user ever encountering a low memory situation |
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| 01:20.31 | chrisa | So I imagine they'll limit it in some way, if only by process counts or something |
| 01:20.38 | sbromwich | kernel is compiling, hurrah! |
| 01:20.55 | sbromwich | crosses his fingers |
| 01:20.59 | Mountaineer | this is so cool.....IRC on webOS...MOBILE!! |
| 01:21.10 | sbromwich | *grin* |
| 01:21.26 | bpadalino | chrisa, interesting notion |
| 01:21.38 | sbromwich | or you can install bitchx in terminal and use that |
| 01:21.42 | bpadalino | though sad if they choose that route |
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| 01:23.23 | sbromwich | 3 tasks unless you buy an app from apple's appstore which will let you raise the app limit by 1 every time you buy it |
| 01:25.20 | dtzWill | sbromwich: it was a silly jab at the closed nature of the platform. probably in not the best of taste. not meant to be taken seriously, and you're right. |
| 01:25.51 | zsoc | Mountaineer: welcome to linux |
| 01:26.10 | sbromwich | I can't stand iphones myself, I have no great liking for them |
| 01:26.37 | sbromwich | the mention of multitasking on an iphone made me think of the multitasking in system 9 (or whatever the pre-osx was) |
| 01:26.42 | zsoc | Some of the GLES apps on the Pre have really impressed me. I've just now gotten to playing a few. |
| 01:27.31 | sbromwich | GLES? |
| 01:27.44 | zsoc | opengl es |
| 01:27.46 | zsoc | 3d stuff |
| 01:27.49 | sbromwich | ahhh |
| 01:27.49 | bpadalino | the scrolling on the iphone is a bit more fluid .. the email app in iphone os seems to be a bit 'smoother' as well versus email on the pre .. |
| 01:28.07 | bpadalino | my pre still thinks a google calendar i have is off by a day .. |
| 01:28.10 | zsoc | i like the webos email app |
| 01:28.13 | sbromwich | I would like to think I have tweaked my pre to be more fluid than an iphone |
| 01:28.15 | bpadalino | and my fb timezone is off as well |
| 01:28.44 | sbromwich | I'm waiting until the next time I see a friend who owns an iphone to see how her's compares |
| 01:29.01 | zsoc | I mean, think of the stock differences between webos 1.0.3 and webos 1.4.1.1 |
| 01:29.04 | zsoc | it's night and day imo |
| 01:29.35 | bpadalino | oh there is absolutely no doubt the performance has gotten significantly better |
| 01:29.59 | sbromwich | actually... I don't suppose there is anyone from palm here? |
| 01:29.59 | bpadalino | the omap3 under the hood is underappreciated ..and the guys on those forums saying 'snapdragon' for new hardware are kinda silly .. |
| 01:30.32 | bpadalino | sbromwich: meet chrisa and geist .. but don't be surprised if you don't get full answers |
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| 01:30.58 | sbromwich | in /etc/fstab /var is mounted data=writeback but surely it should be /var/log that is mounted data=writeback? performance is much smoother that way |
| 01:31.05 | sbromwich | thanks bpadalino :-) |
| 01:31.22 | sbromwich | also I care less if /var/log gets corrupted than if /var does |
| 01:32.30 | zsoc | sbromwich: you might want to consider sending that directly to the engineering department |
| 01:32.48 | sbromwich | I might, but tomorrow I start back at work and will have no free time until august |
| 01:32.56 | zsoc | although i believe chrisa and geist are both involved in lower level / kernel stuff |
| 01:33.08 | zsoc | sbromwich: bah, cut down your sleep by 2 hours a night |
| 01:33.25 | sbromwich | my doctor put me on pills to stop me doing that |
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| 01:33.28 | bpadalino | i still can't believe how many late nights i had putzing around with this silly phone :( |
| 01:33.49 | sbromwich | he also prescribed me to have lunch down the pub every day so it's not all bad |
| 01:33.51 | zsoc | bpadalino: how can you frown at that? i love my tiny linux box ^_^ |
| 01:33.57 | bpadalino | heh |
| 01:34.15 | zsoc | :( |
| 01:34.50 | bpadalino | :) |
| 01:35.01 | sbromwich | kernel/futex.c: In function 'do_futex': |
| 01:35.01 | sbromwich | include/asm/futex.h:59: error: invalid 'asm': operand number out of range |
| 01:35.03 | sbromwich | bugger. |
| 01:35.18 | sbromwich | I know it would end up with me having to frig with assembler again. |
| 01:35.26 | sbromwich | ^know^knew |
| 01:35.33 | zsoc | ouch :/ |
| 01:36.35 | sbromwich | include/asm/futex.h:59: error: invalid 'asm': operand number out of range |
| 01:36.38 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.41 | sbromwich | YFW? |
| 01:36.56 | sbromwich | that's the file that had the whitespace fiddled with |
| 01:37.01 | sbromwich | maybe it *was* significant |
| 01:37.18 | sbromwich | time to fiddle the diffs again |
| 01:38.17 | sbromwich | ah-hah |
| 01:38.21 | sbromwich | bet it needs a newline. |
| 01:39.11 | sbromwich | oh christ I hope it's not going to build the whole lot again |
| 01:39.31 | sbromwich | phew |
| 01:39.38 | sbromwich | no, and it was newlines after all |
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| 01:41.01 | zsoc | hooray |
| 01:41.09 | bpadalino | hooray for \n |
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| 01:41.36 | sbromwich | would have been nicer if someone hadn't tried to be cute with the whitespace |
| 01:42.15 | bpadalino | what's so wrong with being c u t e with whit e sp ac e? |
| 01:43.14 | zsoc | bpadalino: cute |
| 01:43.28 | zsoc | I just had a brain explosion |
| 01:43.32 | sbromwich | when it's done just |
| 01:43.33 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.33 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.33 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.39 | zsoc | what is a function/feature called that is no longer used? |
| 01:43.42 | bpadalino | b(^_^)d |
| 01:43.46 | sbromwich | deletable? |
| 01:43.47 | bpadalino | deprecated ? |
| 01:43.51 | zsoc | yes thank you |
| 01:44.05 | zsoc | what's the opposite of depreciated? |
| 01:44.12 | sbromwich | appreciated |
| 01:44.23 | zsoc | appreciated seems present, i'm looking more for future tense |
| 01:44.35 | sbromwich | will appreciate |
| 01:44.40 | bpadalino | anticipated ? |
| 01:44.54 | zsoc | maybe. |
| 01:45.07 | sbromwich | do you perhaps mean the opposite of deprecated? |
| 01:45.18 | zsoc | also maybe. |
| 01:45.33 | sbromwich | "recommended" or if you're being quite firm "requisite" |
| 01:45.58 | sbromwich | or required on this side of the ocean, possibly |
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| 02:10.08 | sbromwich | I think I must be missing something obvious again... if I run palm-emulator and click on "Start Emulator" how long is it supposed to take before I can ssh in? |
| 02:10.45 | sbromwich | I have a java process running the emulator but it doesn't seem to be using any cpu time |
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| 02:14.51 | Abyssul | im getting a ipkg update error from WOSQI. Any ideas? Is it because of the servers being faulty? |
| 02:16.17 | zsoc | why do so many people ask for wosqi support in here |
| 02:16.40 | sbromwich | beats me |
| 02:16.47 | Abyssul | Because it deals with patches feeds? |
| 02:16.58 | zsoc | Abyssul: does it update in preware |
| 02:17.49 | sbromwich | In file included from drivers/misc/vibetonz/vtmdrv.c:53: |
| 02:17.49 | sbromwich | drivers/misc/vibetonz/VibeOSKernelLinuxTime.c:57: error: expected identifier or '(' before '{' token |
| 02:17.55 | sbromwich | request permission to say "cock" |
| 02:18.12 | mjkjr | lol |
| 02:19.02 | zsoc | go for it |
| 02:19.08 | sbromwich | cock. |
| 02:19.45 | zsoc | I enjoy Anglo-Saxon profanities. |
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| 02:20.59 | sbromwich | it's a reference to james may off of top gear |
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| 02:23.22 | sbromwich | ok this makes no sense. |
| 02:23.27 | sbromwich | static inline int fastcall sem_is_locked(struct semaphore *lock) |
| 02:23.32 | sbromwich | there is an identifier right there. |
| 02:23.35 | sbromwich | points at it. |
| 02:23.36 | sbromwich | see? |
| 02:23.58 | sbromwich | and I can't see sem_is_locked being a reserved word somehow |
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| 02:28.20 | sbromwich | sem_is_locked |
| 02:28.20 | sbromwich | Defined as a preprocessor macro in: |
| 02:28.21 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.22 | sbromwich | sod. |
| 02:28.31 | sbromwich | ok fair enough |
| 02:31.50 | sbromwich | renaming sem_is_locked to palm_sem_is_locked worked, hopefully nothing else palm is using sem_is_locked or it might be in for a nasty surprise... |
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| 02:44.21 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.25 | sbromwich | ftw. |
| 02:44.35 | sbromwich | "mkimage" command not found - U-Boot images will not be built |
| 02:44.40 | sbromwich | nftw. |
| 02:45.36 | sbromwich | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels |
| 02:45.41 | sbromwich | *heart* whoever wrote that. |
| 02:46.59 | zsoc | sbromwich: we're pretty much the best community ever |
| 02:47.19 | sbromwich | don't forget to mention the modesty, too. |
| 02:47.55 | ka6sox | he he |
| 02:48.54 | sbromwich | doesn't remember kernel compiles being this slow back in the day on PIII's |
| 02:51.50 | sbromwich | looks like the ipkg build fails |
| 02:52.00 | sbromwich | ../../scripts/timestamp.py Makefile >> build/armv7/CONTROL/control |
| 02:52.00 | sbromwich | Could not find platform independent libraries <prefix> |
| 02:52.00 | sbromwich | Could not find platform dependent libraries <exec_prefix> |
| 02:52.00 | sbromwich | Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>] |
| 02:52.43 | rwhitby | sbromwich: looks like python is not installed well |
| 02:52.54 | sbromwich | it would appear so |
| 02:52.54 | dtzWill | sbromwich: you building from cross-compile.git? try adding 'python' to your DEP, I added it to fix that |
| 02:53.02 | sbromwich | or something is awry with my $PATH |
| 02:53.17 | dtzWill | oh if it's not installed at all that might be useful, but for some things you want/need python within sb2 |
| 02:53.36 | sbromwich | [SB2 mapping-armv7 armv7] root@itssab-aspire uber-kernel-pre $ which python |
| 02:53.41 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.31 | dtzWill | sbromwich: you might have luck another way, but when I/we poked hat/hit those bugs earlier the clean fix was to just build python within sb2 and stage it |
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| 02:55.00 | sbromwich | ok |
| 02:55.04 | dtzWill | so it'll end up in /usr/local/bin/python and I think you might want to make sure your path has /usr/local/bin before /usr/bin etc |
| 02:55.24 | sbromwich | good call |
| 02:55.24 | dtzWill | sbromwich: python is already in cross-compile so you should be able to just add 'python' to your DEPENDS list |
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| 02:55.37 | zsoc | sbromwich: also you'll need to build python |
| 02:55.49 | zsoc | oh right, he just said that |
| 02:55.54 | zsoc | Jack87: haven't seen you in a year and a day |
| 02:55.56 | sbromwich | all I'm doing is following http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Custom_Kernels |
| 02:56.03 | dtzWill | Jack87: agreed haven't seen you in some time |
| 02:56.32 | dtzWill | sbromwich: the host python does seem to work for some things, but the only way that seems to work across platfors/envs is to build python within. |
| 02:56.57 | Jack87 | hello zsoc and dtzWill i did a bit of traveling lastt few month |
| 02:57.02 | Jack87 | also getting ready to start school again |
| 02:57.07 | sbromwich | so this is to build python for both the host and the target system if I understand? |
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| 02:57.27 | Jack87 | does Caj2008 hang out here ata l? |
| 02:57.32 | dtzWill | sbromwich: errr does that use sb2 at all? |
| 02:57.47 | sbromwich | I believe I am running sb2 |
| 02:57.50 | dtzWill | sbromwich: you actually just need python within the guest/target env |
| 02:57.55 | Jack87 | Caj2008 aka overclock kernel dev Jeff |
| 02:57.55 | sbromwich | [SB2 mapping-armv7 armv7] root@itssab-aspire python $ make |
| 02:57.56 | zsoc | dtzWill: the autobuilder cross compiles fine without sb2, it's just inconvenient |
| 02:57.58 | sbromwich | would hint so |
| 02:58.45 | dtzWill | zsoc: I understand that, and I understand how sb2 works to understand that's the case--but it gets really really messy when you do it all by hand |
| 02:59.02 | zsoc | dtzWill: then i will stop talking again |
| 02:59.31 | dtzWill | sbromwich: yeah your prmopt suggests so, but that guide has you set all kinds of env vars that wouldn't be required if you had sb2 to alias them for you |
| 02:59.36 | dtzWill | zsoc: :( sorry |
| 02:59.42 | sbromwich | good point |
| 02:59.57 | dtzWill | is starving and snaping on poor zsoc. time to make some food, bbiab |
| 03:00.06 | sbromwich | it's nearly done downloading, I'll see what happens |
| 03:00.07 | sbromwich | enjoy |
| 03:00.25 | sbromwich | pwd |
| 03:00.28 | sbromwich | oops |
| 03:00.33 | zsoc | ha |
| 03:01.19 | dtzWill | is back. "make a meal now, or grab a beer instead and make dinner later?" wasn't a very difficult decision |
| 03:02.12 | rwhitby | Jack87: haven't seen Jeff in here, but I gave him the URL to join |
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| 03:03.29 | Jack87 | rwhitby: thanks... he is asking me to write up a little step by step guide but only way i can contact him is via precentral PM which i hate. I suppose i can email him but not sure if thats any better. |
| 03:03.36 | sbromwich | echo $CROSS_COMPILE |
| 03:03.39 | sbromwich | oh ffs |
| 03:03.47 | zsoc | ha |
| 03:06.26 | sbromwich | *sigh* |
| 03:06.28 | sbromwich | tis too late |
| 03:06.32 | sbromwich | I must be off to bed |
| 03:06.54 | sbromwich | would anyone be interested in a kernel tree of the palm kernel with the realtime patches applied that at least compiles? |
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| 03:07.02 | Jack87 | goodnight sbromwich |
| 03:07.12 | zsoc | sbromwich: put it somewhere, certainly |
| 03:07.58 | dtzWill | sbromwich: definitely |
| 03:08.01 | sbromwich | k |
| 03:08.22 | sbromwich | I was really hoping to get the -rt kernel going with this :-( |
| 03:08.24 | mjkjr | what's the command i can use to run novacom again w/o restarting my pc |
| 03:10.05 | zsoc | How does palm-install work? |
| 03:17.35 | rwhitby | zsoc: novacom put, then executes a luna-send to call the application install service |
| 03:18.21 | zsoc | so.. i can just novacom put it.. and then ipkg install it? |
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| 03:18.36 | zsoc | rwhitby: or do i need to use this magical install service since the service and app are packaged together? |
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| 03:20.08 | rwhitby | zsoc: oh, you need BLDFLAGS = -p |
| 03:20.20 | zsoc | i have no idea what that means |
| 03:20.25 | rwhitby | the palm-install can execute the postinst if the postinst is written correctly |
| 03:20.30 | zsoc | i see |
| 03:20.34 | rwhitby | it's in the packaging makefile |
| 03:20.55 | rwhitby | tells it to build a palm-format package with PmPostInstall.script |
| 03:21.11 | zsoc | hmm.. i think i had that |
| 03:21.19 | zsoc | save/restore uses it? |
| 03:21.22 | rwhitby | yep |
| 03:21.34 | zsoc | then probably |
| 03:21.54 | rwhitby | ipkgservice (Java version) 0.9.45 in the testing feed for Preware to Preware Alpha upgrade testing |
| 03:24.32 | Bmyers | rwhitby: hi |
| 03:24.42 | rwhitby | Bmyers: g'day |
| 03:24.59 | Bmyers | still looking for help on that date thing? |
| 03:25.12 | rwhitby | Bmyers: sure |
| 03:26.52 | Bmyers | what its the save and restore git that i should look work with? |
| 03:30.49 | Bmyers | rwhitby: its the save and restore git that i should look work with? |
| 03:32.33 | rwhitby | Bmyers: yep |
| 03:36.59 | rwhitby | So, who thinks we should include the webos-internals-testing feed in Preware by default, but disabled? |
| 03:37.34 | sbromwich | http://www.fop.ns.ca/pre/linux_palm_rtpatch_tar.bz2 (in about 20 seconds) |
| 03:37.36 | sbromwich | not me |
| 03:37.54 | sbromwich | and it's copied |
| 03:38.22 | sbromwich | that was patches with the rt patch and then the palm patch and then the overclock patch, if I recall correctly |
| 03:38.49 | sbromwich | if needs be I can probably get one of the RT guys from novell to come talk to anyone who's genuinely interested in implementing it |
| 03:38.59 | sbromwich | but for now I must go... laters :-) |
| 03:40.58 | zsoc | is there a .. uh.. palm-/uninstall/? |
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| 03:54.24 | jacques | just registered for the dev days |
| 03:56.58 | Jack87 | hi JayCanuck |
| 03:57.15 | JayCanuck | hi jack87 |
| 03:58.11 | ka6sox | jacques, kewl |
| 03:58.29 | jacques | ka6sox, :-D |
| 03:59.33 | Jack87 | JayCanuck: someone has a request for you..... i just noticed |
| 04:00.07 | JayCanuck | ? |
| 04:00.25 | Jack87 | JayCanuck: haha i know there are a million requests... but do what you please.. here is the link... http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/238141-b-optimized-webos-1-4-kernel-video-wosqi-720mhz-800-mhz-easy-install-b-124.html#post2361929 |
| 04:04.53 | JayCanuck | hmm |
| 04:04.54 | Mitalis | Is character counter working for anybody else? I've seen a few threads of people saying the patch is working for them with 1.4.1 installed. |
| 04:04.55 | Mitalis | But for me it's just installed as a placeholder. |
| 04:05.01 | phil_bw | dtzWill, I know you're not around but I just wanted to let you know that I made a *ton* of progress on the X window manger front. I've got a custom fvwm setup that works beautifully with virtual desktops, I'll post a vid tomorrow so look for it |
| 04:05.20 | Jack87 | JayCanuck: seems like it might have to be an app all in it self rather then a patch? |
| 04:05.33 | JayCanuck | jack87, maybe at 55*C I can give a warning that if it stays above 55*C, in 5minutes, the device will shut down. sound good? |
| 04:06.16 | JayCanuck | definitely do-able as a patch :) |
| 04:06.24 | Jack87 | JayCanuck: ya i think that sounds good.. haha not my request :-) i just figured id relay you since i ran into you here. |
| 04:06.24 | Jack87 | phil_bw: congrats! |
| 04:06.35 | phil_bw | Jack87, thanks |
| 04:06.54 | phil_bw | I have just about made X on the Pre a "user friendly" experience |
| 04:07.25 | Jack87 | phil_bw: thats awesome |
| 04:08.10 | phil_bw | with very little effort can load it up, open up a document in openoffice, switch virtual desktops if something goes off the screen, all with very little memory impact |
| 04:08.12 | Jack87 | JayCanuck: could it be a patch in the screen settings to add it as an option? |
| 04:08.40 | Jack87 | phil_bw: does it run in SDL? |
| 04:08.56 | JayCanuck | would be significant more work as those are 2 separe applicatinons and would need to communicate together |
| 04:09.33 | phil_bw | Jack87, yes |
| 04:09.46 | phil_bw | so as my wife texts me I just switch between X and the text |
| 04:09.52 | Jack87 | JayCanuck: roger that.. probably not worth the effort at least for now. be good to get input after you try your first idea |
| 04:10.17 | rwhitby | zsoc|away: palm-install -r, or orange+tap |
| 04:10.22 | Jack87 | phil_bw: i cant wait to see the video |
| 04:10.32 | rwhitby | JayCanuck: ping |
| 04:10.37 | JayCanuck | hi rod |
| 04:10.50 | phil_bw | Jack87, I was going to make the vid tonight but wound up screwin around thw fvwm for way longer than I had anticipated |
| 04:10.52 | rwhitby | JayCanuck: hi, did all your patch updates go through correctly? |
| 04:11.24 | JayCanuck | the updates I sumbitted, I believe, yea |
| 04:11.54 | rwhitby | phil_bw: what do we need to do to start packaging that work up and releasing it? |
| 04:12.21 | rwhitby | JayCanuck: so that was me doing them last night, still no sign of dBsooner |
| 04:12.36 | rwhitby | JayCanuck: but I don't get notifications of new ones, so ping me if you upload any |
| 04:13.23 | JayCanuck | haven't checked yet (@ a friend's place at the moment) though I did get the approval notifcationd |
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| 04:15.34 | phil_bw | rwhitby, well since the server part is all dtzWill (and it is already in the testing feed) I'd say not much on that end |
| 04:16.17 | rwhitby | phil_bw: but we need to set up a debian chroot infrastructure, right? |
| 04:16.22 | phil_bw | rwhitby, packaging up a whole debian environment and configuring it to work right via chroot is a completely different task that I'm sure only you and jason could answer |
| 04:17.01 | phil_bw | rwhitby, correct, my hope is to eventually build an img file that is already configured with fvwm and some minimal apps |
| 04:17.23 | phil_bw | so if all was done right you'd just install the server from preware then drop the img file on the usb drive and load it up |
| 04:17.46 | phil_bw | then just use apt-get (or a visual alternative if you wanted) for the apps you want |
| 04:18.14 | tmzt_ | install the server? |
| 04:18.55 | rwhitby | phil_bw: what about webOS customisations of the apps you apt-get install ? |
| 04:19.07 | rwhitby | (presumably most would need some?) |
| 04:19.17 | phil_bw | the tough part is that the img file would be already be just about max capacity when it's made lean and mean |
| 04:19.35 | phil_bw | and most users don't have access to a linux box to expand it (mine's at 1.5GB and i'm pushing needing to size it up again) |
| 04:20.00 | phil_bw | rwhitby, I'm not sure I get what you mean by customisations |
| 04:20.07 | phil_bw | tmzt_, what about the server? |
| 04:20.42 | tmzt_ | what is it? |
| 04:21.10 | ka6sox | a debootstrapped image is pretty small. |
| 04:21.16 | rwhitby | tmzt_: X Server in webos-internals testing feed - install it via preware |
| 04:21.49 | ka6sox | just use the filelist from that initally |
| 04:21.50 | tmzt_ | ok |
| 04:22.17 | phil_bw | tmzt_, it's just an X server with nothing attached to it, you can do with it what you want, I just happen to use a debian environment through chroot where I have X apps connecting to it |
| 04:22.37 | rwhitby | phil_bw: customisations like geometry and such, or file paths etc |
| 04:23.00 | phil_bw | ka6sox, it's easy to get a small debian image, it's the resizing later that'll be tough for users |
| 04:23.20 | ka6sox | phil_bw, kk |
| 04:23.27 | tmzt_ | does anybody have a .c program to mount and chroot |
| 04:23.28 | phil_bw | rwhitby, I'm not sure about geometry, I've found that every app I've tested sets itself to the max screen width by default anyway |
| 04:24.06 | tmzt_ | maybe even as a service |
| 04:24.32 | phil_bw | the other option, which I've thought about but haven't experiment with would be to basically bind the /var back out to the /media portion |
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| 04:25.14 | tmzt_ | you mean X apps? |
| 04:25.26 | tmzt_ | yeah, if there's no wm or geom they usually run full screen |
| 04:25.32 | tmzt_ | except xterm and a few other programs |
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| 04:26.24 | JayCanuck | what's the irc username of the guy who runs prethemer? |
| 04:26.41 | phil_bw | and fvwm has a virtual desktop so if windows go off the screen you can easily go find them |
| 04:27.16 | rwhitby | phil_bw: we currently bind mount /var/opt over to /opt for optware |
| 04:28.07 | rwhitby | phil_bw: but /var is quite small unless you've meta-doctored it to 2GB |
| 04:28.27 | jacques | 2GiB /var FTW |
| 04:29.47 | phil_bw | rwhitby, I'm thinking more of binding /var *in* the debian portion back *out* to the /media portion |
| 04:30.20 | rwhitby | phil_bw: oh, ok. well, note that nothing under /media has symlinks or permissions - it's vfat |
| 04:30.32 | phil_bw | rwhitby, crap... that's right |
| 04:30.48 | phil_bw | so back to figuring out how to size the img |
| 04:31.28 | phil_bw | I've looked but it doesn't appear you can get resize2fs as a windows app |
| 04:31.40 | rwhitby | phil_bw: note that Palm have said in the PDK video that they are going to have some sort of chroot security solution for PDK apps by mid-year |
| 04:32.05 | phil_bw | rwhitby, interesting |
| 04:32.46 | tmzt_ | jail or someting more like dsl/puppy packages? |
| 04:33.03 | rwhitby | tmzt_: we have no info |
| 04:33.31 | tmzt_ | that's usual |
| 04:34.58 | phil_bw | well I better get going |
| 04:35.04 | phil_bw | talk you you all tomorrow |
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| 04:39.00 | tmzt_ | Finally, there’s the issue of the App Store. I’m on the fence about it. My hunch is that Apple should follow Palm’s lead and allow users to install applications from the web, |
| 04:39.06 | tmzt_ | is that correct? |
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| 04:39.13 | tmzt_ | I think Android had that first |
| 04:41.53 | dtzWill | phil_bw: great news! :D be sure to ping me if you get that video--I've been swamped with work and haven't had a chance to put the final polish on it to make an announcement, etc |
| 04:42.10 | dtzWill | phil_bw: and i'm very glad more than just me is pondering how to make a good experience with this :) |
| 04:42.37 | rwhitby | JayCanuck: are there other temperature warning patches to be submitted? |
| 04:42.48 | dtzWill | phil_bw: interesting idea re: binding back /out/ :) |
| 04:42.57 | JayCanuck | there's only 1 warning patch |
| 04:43.20 | JayCanuck | 2 device info app patches (C and F) and 2 device menu patches (C and F) |
| 04:43.39 | rwhitby | JayCanuck: ok, I think I got those last 4, but not the warning patch |
| 04:43.54 | JayCanuck | warning one was uploaded by dbsooner a long while ago |
| 04:43.57 | rwhitby | loves how Canada uses the correct temperature scale ;-) |
| 04:44.02 | JayCanuck | :p |
| 04:44.16 | JayCanuck | C is the general standard for computer compents anyway |
| 04:44.21 | dtzWill | phil_bw: fvwm sounds good, we could probably package that up separate from any debian work |
| 04:44.44 | JayCanuck | I had a surprrisingly large # of people who wanted F, so i obligued ;) |
| 04:45.10 | rwhitby | dtzWill: we need some sort of system when different installed apps can put files in a central location and they are automatically added to the menus and stuff |
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| 04:46.17 | sslow_ | rwhitby: Im working on sending 10or so updated patches as we speak |
| 04:46.28 | dtzWill | rwhitby: we absolutely do, I agree. as to *how* that's not as clear. if we support a particular wm (or two, _maybe_) we might be able to hack that together, similar to the way some commercial linux applications install themselves onto the gnome and kde menus |
| 04:46.34 | sslow_ | this 5 min wait in between is killing me |
| 04:47.04 | phil_bw | ok, I'm back for a sec |
| 04:47.21 | dtzWill | phil_bw: wb :) |
| 04:47.24 | phil_bw | thnx |
| 04:47.49 | phil_bw | dtzWill, so I think fvwm is the answer to X usability on the Pre |
| 04:48.06 | phil_bw | it's *incredibly* customizable and it's virtual desktops make it work so well |
| 04:48.21 | dtzWill | phil_bw: that's great news. I was hoping some wm would fit the bill :) |
| 04:48.37 | dtzWill | phil_bw: j/w, how much customization did it take? :) |
| 04:49.12 | dtzWill | if we decide that's the wm we want to support it might be worth to just stage that and build it so people have a working wm. |
| 04:49.21 | phil_bw | dtzWill, well first I had to make it *not* look like windows 95 which is how it defaults, killed the task bar and this big ugly button list that had buttons for apps that weren't even installed |
| 04:49.29 | dtzWill | it's hard to draw the line where we should make it preware-happy and where we should just say "build a debian image" |
| 04:49.37 | dtzWill | phil_bw: haha |
| 04:50.17 | phil_bw | dtzWill, I also tweaked the "desker" (virtual desktop) module so it was more fat finger friendly |
| 04:50.29 | phil_bw | tomorrow I will mod the menus to make them fat finger friendly as well |
| 04:50.31 | rwhitby | dtzWill: I'd say a windows manager fits the bill of being worth packaging separately |
| 04:50.36 | dtzWill | phil_bw: wonderful! were there any source changes, or just configuration files, etc? |
| 04:51.22 | phil_bw | dtzWill, just config files, one shell script could easily convert it over, infact it comes completely stripped down and you rin the "95 script" to make it look like windows 95 |
| 04:51.49 | dtzWill | rwhitby: agreed, but at some point we can't exactly launch our own complete distribution--so how much do we build (and as separate packages, etc?) ourselves and how much do we say "use a debian image" (that perhaps we provide and automate and make more usable) |
| 04:51.50 | phil_bw | I could easily take the "95 script" and modify it to do what we want, perhaps change up the icons to Pre-looking ones (instead of direct MS rips) |
| 04:52.27 | rwhitby | dtzWill: yeah, it's a fine line. Similar to the one I have to draw with optware - which packages do I add to preware, and which do I leave as command line install onlyl |
| 04:53.27 | dtzWill | phil_bw: that sounds great. we should definitely get on that, that sounds fantastic |
| 04:54.06 | dtzWill | rwhitby: and of course there's the issue you mentioned of wanting to make these applications more pre-friendly (the ones we leave to debian chroot to provide) |
| 04:54.17 | dtzWill | rwhitby: maybe we SHOULD fork our own debian distro xD |
| 04:54.41 | phil_bw | sees his little remaining free time making it's way down the toilet |
| 04:54.48 | tmzt_ | what about XPde? |
| 04:55.01 | tmzt_ | mostly variants of kde crystal I think |
| 04:55.48 | phil_bw | also, if someone was able to build a desktop utilty to customize the img on the fly we could go that route |
| 04:56.00 | phil_bw | pretty much just have to resize it |
| 04:56.01 | dtzWill | thinks of german windows XP :P |
| 04:56.18 | tmzt_ | there's multiple versions of that, jigdo-image, mic2, etc. |
| 04:56.34 | dtzWill | ...do we want the wm tolook like xp necessarily? |
| 04:56.40 | phil_bw | tmzt_, windows versions? |
| 04:56.42 | dtzWill | bah i don't wanna tell anyone what wm to use :(. |
| 04:57.09 | tmzt_ | hmm, I thought you were going for Windows 95 look |
| 04:57.26 | tmzt_ | no, those are for building debian/ubuntu images with custom packages |
| 04:57.26 | phil_bw | tmzt_, trying to do away with the win95 look that fvwm defaults to |
| 04:57.38 | phil_bw | oh |
| 04:57.51 | tmzt_ | they'd even run on the Pre |
| 04:58.14 | dtzWill | i tried running resize2fs on my pre once |
| 04:58.19 | dtzWill | ....I don't recommend it |
| 04:58.24 | phil_bw | haha |
| 04:58.29 | phil_bw | dtzWill, so did I |
| 04:58.35 | phil_bw | also don't recommend it |
| 04:58.53 | tmzt_ | moving a lot of data? |
| 04:59.09 | jacques | resizing on flash must be ... slow |
| 04:59.24 | dtzWill | jacques: it is, and made the entire system absolutely unusable |
| 04:59.33 | dtzWill | ended pulling the battery after hours :/ |
| 04:59.43 | jacques | I kept meaning to bench the flash access on the pre - it seems like < 5MiB/s |
| 04:59.59 | dtzWill | and just copying it properly. which, btw, scp -C rather helps when what you're copying is mostly 0's :) |
| 05:02.47 | dtzWill | I suppose just supporting one wm officially and letting tinkerers ...tinker (and perhaps help them with some tools) isn't so bad a way to go |
| 05:03.32 | jacques | I'm probably going to lose my sat connection soon - boat is moving back under cover |
| 05:03.54 | dtzWill | jacques: man you seem to travel an awful lot :) |
| 05:03.55 | rwhitby | jacques: it's a tough life ... |
| 05:04.41 | ka6sox | jacques, but somebody's gotta do it. |
| 05:04.46 | jacques | dtzWill, only recently :-) |
| 05:05.11 | phil_bw | hm |
| 05:05.38 | phil_bw | the guys in #linux say try mingw or cygwin |
| 05:06.05 | jacques | tomorrow they load the ROVs onboard |
| 05:07.17 | dtzWill | phil_bw: try those for what? resizing/customizing the debian chroot? |
| 05:07.35 | dtzWill | i think requiring people to instal cygwin is..something to be considered carefully |
| 05:07.55 | phil_bw | dtzWill, well if you could compile resize2fs to windows you could build a tool who's sole purpose is to size the img before they put it on their device |
| 05:08.00 | phil_bw | no no |
| 05:08.12 | dtzWill | oh you mean an env you can build windows binaries from |
| 05:08.12 | dtzWill | okay |
| 05:08.17 | phil_bw | right |
| 05:08.34 | phil_bw | then someone could build a tool that contains the small img (that the user doesn't have to see) |
| 05:08.50 | phil_bw | they open it and it simply asks how big they want it, then it spits out the new img file in that size |
| 05:09.01 | phil_bw | and if they ever want to size up their current one they could use the same tool for that as well |
| 05:10.09 | phil_bw | no telling if it'll actually work |
| 05:10.46 | dtzWill | I suppose. i mean it's certainly moving forward. maybe I'm just stuck on finding the uber solution :). seems undesirable to have people dealing with a chroot, and sizing them, etc |
| 05:11.02 | dtzWill | but that does get us a lot of apps, quickly, and possibly comparatively easily |
| 05:11.21 | phil_bw | right, good luck cross compiling openoffice to run natively... ya know |
| 05:11.42 | dtzWill | phil_bw: well first I'll grab the way the debian guys do it.... :) |
| 05:11.45 | phil_bw | if all the user had to do was download one desktop utility and push a button it would be fine |
| 05:11.46 | jacques | heading to the mess, biab (or back tomorrow if I lose the satellite) |
| 05:12.06 | phil_bw | in fact the desktop utility could install the webos package as well (similar to preware) |
| 05:13.33 | phil_bw | anyhow, I haven't seen my wife all day and she just got home so I am going to take off, I'll talk to you guys later, again if you need anything and I'm not around just drop me a line at phil@boraware.com |
| 05:14.01 | dtzWill | phil_bw: alright, thanks for help and thoughts. have a good one |
| 05:14.07 | phil_bw | later |
| 05:14.10 | phil_bw | wanders off |
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| 05:49.57 | jacques | looks like they're testing the thrusters, so I still have sat :-) |
| 05:50.34 | rwhitby | jacques: testing the thrusters? are you headed to the ISS or something? |
| 05:53.44 | jacques | rwhitby, I'm on a DP boat |
| 05:54.37 | jacques | dynamic positioning - computer controlled thrusters all around which can hold station very accurately |
| 05:54.46 | bhuey | bah, iPhone multitasking |
| 05:55.00 | jacques | different levels for holding position in various sea conditions |
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| 05:57.08 | jacques | we never know what the captain's going to do :-) |
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| 07:27.20 | idontwan2know | question: has anyone else noticed that certain websites are the primary culprit in the infamous "too many cards" error? |
| 07:28.50 | idontwan2know | the full Facebook site, and speedtv.com both bring it on inevitably if I browse around them enough, even if nothing else is open |
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| 10:49.13 | rwhitby | Who's testing the new versions of Preware Alpha, Preware and Package Manager Service? |
| 10:49.21 | rwhitby | ~testing-feed |
| 10:49.22 | infobot | [testing-feed] a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
| 10:54.24 | jhojho | has anyone else seen this msg on their device? "LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgr}: void CpuShareManager::writeEntry(const char*, int): Failed to open cpu share file: /dev/cgroup/game/cpu.shares |
| 10:54.25 | jhojho | " |
| 10:54.48 | jhojho | happened to see it while grepping through /var/log/messages for something else |
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| 11:46.37 | sbromwich | whoever tried to HEAD http://www.fop.ns.ca/pre/linux_palm_rtpatch.tar.bz2 it probably won't work as commands are restricted on my web server |
| 11:46.46 | sbromwich | it's 320 meg |
| 11:50.37 | rwhitby | I think I finally worked out why Preware is sometimes hanging when scanning unknown files. Reading a big file into a buffer that is too small. |
| 11:50.57 | rwhitby | (seems that some little ipkg control files are actually larger than 4K) |
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| 11:58.20 | jhojho | rwhitby: ccing you on a message about noop vs cfq |
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| 11:59.44 | swede | hiya, does anyone know if the qOperatorShortName or qOperatorLongName in the CarrierNetworkSettings.db3 also controls what operator name to display on the screen? |
| 12:00.19 | swede | ie the text that tells you waht operator you are on at the moment. |
| 12:03.10 | jhojho | rwhitby: what's the difference between build.git/hardware and patches.git/overclocking |
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| 12:05.01 | swede | Reason im asking about the qOperatorShortName is that there is a possibly typo on the latest carriernetworksettings.db3 where french operator SFR is called SRR. =) |
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| 12:10.02 | rwhitby | jhojho: the latter stores the patches, the former builds the kernel |
| 12:10.18 | jhojho | ok |
| 12:10.34 | jhojho | do I have write perms for patches.git/overclocking? |
| 12:10.41 | rwhitby | the kernel build may pull patches from a number of places, including sbromwich's web site ;-) |
| 12:10.44 | rwhitby | jhojho: yes |
| 12:12.42 | sbromwich | oh is that what's doing the pull? |
| 12:12.52 | sbromwich | I can extract out the tarball if it would help |
| 12:13.59 | sbromwich | I've also asked the VP of SW dev at novell if he's aware of anyone else porting -rt to phones before and what their experience was |
| 12:14.13 | jhojho | sbromwich: so why are you trying to get rt patches working on the pre? |
| 12:14.29 | sbromwich | because pulseaudio is very latency sensitive |
| 12:14.43 | jhojho | ah |
| 12:15.02 | sbromwich | -rt makes it try harder to keep in sync so the sounds happen when things happen on screen instead of a perceptible few milliseconds later |
| 12:15.19 | sbromwich | I will hold back on my rant about pulseaudio as I fear it would be inappropriate. |
| 12:15.35 | jhojho | lol. no. I'm well aware of it from other forums |
| 12:15.55 | sbromwich | yes, it's... *cough* well known. |
| 12:16.04 | jhojho | not personally invested in audio/rt so doesnt really bother me |
| 12:16.29 | jhojho | what I would like are the unreleased patches for omap from ti =) |
| 12:16.48 | sbromwich | it gives a big performance boost for other stuff as well, particularly for video, so I'm thinking that might fix the problem with artifacts people are moaning about |
| 12:16.53 | sbromwich | yeah, wouldn't that be nice? |
| 12:17.11 | jhojho | well as for the jittering |
| 12:17.20 | jhojho | i think 125mhz is too low from my testing |
| 12:17.36 | sbromwich | it's a matter of tweaking the settings |
| 12:17.36 | AnOutsider | mornign all |
| 12:17.48 | AnOutsider | rwhitby or zsoc: thanks for adding news room :) |
| 12:17.59 | jhojho | 250mhz seems to work for me but have not done comprehensive testing with the powersave_bias param |
| 12:18.02 | sbromwich | eg I posted a list on the forums of my settings and explicitly said they were extremely conservative because I have a "bad" cpu that won't stick at 800 |
| 12:18.12 | jhojho | I saw the post |
| 12:18.15 | sbromwich | and then people complained my settings were too conservative and caused artifacts |
| 12:18.19 | sbromwich | *roll eyes* |
| 12:18.47 | jhojho | for me upthreshold of 20 and powersave_bias (cant remember) works |
| 12:19.16 | jhojho | really need a group of people that are willing to test out various params using different governors |
| 12:19.18 | sbromwich | *nod* |
| 12:19.39 | sbromwich | the other thing is people setting retardedly high values for the sensor so the cpu has the wake up repeatedly to check the load |
| 12:19.48 | jhojho | have you confirmed that modifying LunaSysMgr does not matter when you do not use the userspace governor? |
| 12:19.53 | sbromwich | which thereby drains the battery chop chop fasta benj |
| 12:20.16 | sbromwich | have I tried both userspace and ondemand, do you mean? |
| 12:20.52 | jhojho | meaning that modifying LunaSysMgr to 600000 or higher is not needed if using the ondemand or conservative governor |
| 12:20.57 | sbromwich | if I use userspace the palm daemon will frig with the frequencies (as expected) |
| 12:21.08 | sbromwich | correct |
| 12:21.43 | sbromwich | if non-userspace daemon is selected the palm stuff doesn't touch any of the cpufreq that I've noticed |
| 12:21.54 | sbromwich | sorry, non-userspace governor |
| 12:23.57 | jhojho | actually I've noticed that lunasysmgr does not try to much with things when I use clipcarl's binary too |
| 12:24.08 | jhojho | i.e. 600mhz lcd on, 250 lcd off |
| 12:24.36 | sbromwich | I experimented with my own userspace daemon but found ultimately the userspace one did just as well without needing 6 meg of ram for perl |
| 12:24.48 | sbromwich | http://www.fop.ns.ca/pt.pl is where I put it, I think |
| 12:24.56 | sbromwich | little more than a state machine |
| 12:25.17 | sbromwich | what's clipcarl's binary? |
| 12:25.25 | jhojho | you have to search the forums |
| 12:25.32 | sbromwich | k |
| 12:25.48 | jhojho | it's called cpuspeed along with a little event.d script call cet-cpuspeed |
| 12:25.50 | sbromwich | precentral forums? |
| 12:25.52 | jhojho | yes |
| 12:25.58 | sbromwich | oh, that one, o0k |
| 12:26.25 | jhojho | also, testers needed to see if noop/deadline performs better than cfq on the pre |
| 12:26.30 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: yw |
| 12:26.56 | rwhitby | sbromwich: no, we're not pulling anything from your website, it was just an example of a possibilty |
| 12:27.15 | sbromwich | oh, have you seen my comments passim about /var and /var/log in /etc/fstab, and logging in /etc/PmLog.conf? |
| 12:27.23 | jhojho | it's in the current kernel patch but no reason given as of yet why the change was made and I have not seen any actual test results. |
| 12:27.54 | sbromwich | rwhitby: It's a complete compiled tree so it might be easier if someone just wants to run a diff against it rather than downloading all the object code as well |
| 12:28.20 | jhojho | sbromwich: are you asking me re: /var ? |
| 12:28.23 | sbromwich | my suspicion would be cfq was getting overwhelmed by the amount of data being written to /var/log |
| 12:28.27 | sbromwich | sorry, yes jhojho |
| 12:28.34 | jhojho | yes I have. |
| 12:28.44 | sbromwich | k |
| 12:28.46 | jhojho | agree that /var should be =ordered |
| 12:29.04 | jhojho | not sure why it's not but that's a change I would rather palm engineering weigh in on |
| 12:29.12 | sbromwich | I found setting /var/log data=writeback not /var to be a major, major performance increase for me in certain areas where I saw it |
| 12:29.14 | sbromwich | mmm |
| 12:29.34 | jhojho | their thought process |
| 12:29.53 | jhojho | sbromwich: really? measured or just subjective? |
| 12:30.01 | sbromwich | it looks to me like a thinko |
| 12:30.02 | rwhitby | sbromwich: at the moment I'm focused on just getting a stock kernel with overclocking ability correctly packaged, so I won't be getting diverted into -rt kernels |
| 12:30.41 | sbromwich | jhojho: simple test: I have a 4 digit PIN, if /var/log is not writeback and syslog is enabled it lags entering the pin, otherwise it's responsive |
| 12:30.45 | sbromwich | ok np |
| 12:31.01 | jhojho | rwhitby: I was hoping that unixpsycho would show up to make sure he's okay with others modifying his patch |
| 12:31.04 | rwhitby | (and right at the moment I'm testing Preware to Preware Alpha migration corner cases ...) |
| 12:31.07 | sbromwich | I shall leave it up there in case anyone else is interested or I'm stuck on another con call and can look at it |
| 12:31.09 | sbromwich | heh |
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| 12:31.44 | jhojho | sbromwich: would be interesting if you could do more testing with the writeback changes as well as cfq vs noop if you are interested |
| 12:32.04 | rwhitby | jhojho: we can put multiple candidate patches in that directory, suitably named |
| 12:32.19 | jhojho | i have a suspicion that palm was pressed for time and left quite a few of the options stock. |
| 12:32.19 | sbromwich | I'm interested but massively lacking in time |
| 12:32.31 | jhojho | sbromwich: well, as you have time =) |
| 12:32.32 | rwhitby | jhojho: and if you want to rename the current one to indicate things like cfq, feel free |
| 12:32.44 | jhojho | ok. |
| 12:32.59 | rwhitby | (just update it in hardware/uber-kernel-pre/Makefile at the same time to match) |
| 12:33.16 | jhojho | ok |
| 12:34.07 | sbromwich | all I can say now is WFM |
| 12:34.38 | jhojho | heh. |
| 12:34.45 | sbromwich | also I can scroll the launcher window up and down very quickly, so perhaps in my CFT I should make yet another youtube video to show that. |
| 12:35.09 | jhojho | yeah, we probably need more data points than that to put it in widespread distribution =) |
| 12:35.17 | rwhitby | sbromwich: did you make a comment about whether or not to have the testing feed in Preware but disabled? |
| 12:36.13 | jhojho | rwhitby: btw were you involved at all in caj2008's kernel ipks or was that all him? |
| 12:36.26 | rwhitby | jhojho: Jason created them |
| 12:36.30 | sbromwich | rwhitby: yeah, it should be a minimum IQ test to gain access |
| 12:36.36 | sbromwich | along the lines of alt.sysadmin.recovery |
| 12:36.41 | jhojho | rwhitby: ah okay. |
| 12:36.48 | jhojho | sbromwich: very much so |
| 12:38.32 | jhojho | sbromwich: another thing for you to play with is that rwhitby has added powertop to the optware feed so you can see the power consumption on the pre |
| 12:38.49 | sbromwich | heh |
| 12:38.56 | sbromwich | I installed powertop second day I got the pre |
| 12:40.00 | sbromwich | I've also got a killawatt meter and did some testing... standard draw is 2 watts when turned on, 3 watts when working (resolution of the killawatt is 1w) |
| 12:40.39 | sbromwich | and I think the reason people are burning out chargers is because the palm one provides a full amp not 500mA, so my guess is the palm is seeing a "dumb" charger and trying to draw a full amp |
| 12:41.25 | sbromwich | eg that muppet that tried to power his pre off of a dinky solar charger and complained when shit burnt out |
| 12:43.24 | rwhitby | Preware Alpha 0.9.58 is in the testing feed, with a couple of good bug fixes. |
| 12:46.41 | VincentLaw | what's the upgrade procedure, rwhitby? |
| 12:46.45 | sbromwich | installed, luna is taking its own sweet time to restart |
| 12:46.49 | VincentLaw | just install it and it removes package manager? |
| 12:47.30 | sbromwich | hmmm... preware terminate but it doesn't look like luna is restart |
| 12:47.31 | sbromwich | ing |
| 12:47.56 | rwhitby | VincentLaw: this is the version which puts the upgrade procedure in place, so it's probably a case of whatever works for this version |
| 12:48.07 | VincentLaw | ok |
| 12:49.00 | rwhitby | sbromwich: luna should never need to restart for preware |
| 12:49.23 | rwhitby | (since preware doesn't modify any UI files) |
| 12:49.24 | VincentLaw | yeah, package manager service needs a java restart, not luna |
| 12:49.29 | sbromwich | I got a "luna needs to restart" message |
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| 12:49.38 | rwhitby | luna or java? |
| 12:49.41 | sbromwich | ah, maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention |
| 12:49.44 | sbromwich | errr |
| 12:49.56 | sbromwich | gonned now |
| 12:50.03 | rwhitby | ipkgservice will ask for a java restart. preware alpha shouldn't |
| 12:50.07 | VincentLaw | java will restart and you won't see anything happening besides the phone going offline |
| 12:50.21 | sbromwich | nope, not going offline |
| 12:50.31 | sbromwich | restarted preware and it says 0.9.58 |
| 12:50.34 | rwhitby | preware alpha is replacing ipkgservice specifically to get rid of the java restart |
| 12:50.55 | rwhitby | if it says 0.9.58, then you started Preware Alpha, not Preware. |
| 12:51.26 | jhojho | btw caj2008 just emailed and mentioned he'll be joining the fun at webos-internals. |
| 12:51.29 | sbromwich | sorry, yes, I should be more specific |
| 12:51.45 | sbromwich | perhaps name it pralpha or something to make it easier for the hard of thinking like me? ;-) |
| 12:52.22 | rwhitby | I expect it will only last for a couple more weeks |
| 12:52.28 | rwhitby | (maybe 3 or 4) |
| 12:52.28 | sbromwich | package feeds needed refreshing but otherwise everything looks good, just looking for sometime useful (or at least not totally useless) to install |
| 12:52.30 | VincentLaw | holy CRAP |
| 12:52.31 | sbromwich | k |
| 12:52.36 | VincentLaw | preware alpha installs patches fast |
| 12:52.56 | rwhitby | VincentLaw: that's interesting, cause it shouldn't |
| 12:53.08 | jhojho | sbromwich: install the temp in device menu patch by jaycanuk =) |
| 12:53.21 | sbromwich | already done |
| 12:53.32 | jhojho | well. game over then |
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| 12:54.13 | sbromwich | just managed to lock up the device though poking randomly through |
| 12:54.14 | VincentLaw | rwhitby: yeah, I almost wonder if it installed correctly |
| 12:54.28 | rwhitby | hmm - those temp in device patches should really be in the topbar category, not other |
| 12:54.34 | sbromwich | still, this wasn't a particularly important conference call, they can wait while it reboots |
| 12:54.40 | VincentLaw | rwhitby: it installed the "Share Larger Videos Via Email" patch in literally 0.5 seconds. No exaggeration. I couldn't even read what it was doing it went so fast. |
| 12:55.21 | sbromwich | and I just found removing the battery while the usb cable is plugged in and charging will do a full reset, handy |
| 12:55.33 | jhojho | rwhitby: agreed. (where the patches should be). has dbsooner resurfaced or are you packaging patches now? |
| 12:55.33 | idontwan2know | was there a problem with the 4x4 v4 plus more patch? I just was told by preware to update it for the second time in two days, and now I'm back to stock |
| 12:55.53 | jhojho | sbromwich: yeah. that was a surprise. the treo never did that |
| 12:55.56 | rwhitby | jhojho: I did the last round of updates, but either dBsooner or egaudet did a round after that |
| 12:56.18 | rwhitby | idontwan2know: dunno, have you asked the author? |
| 12:56.20 | jhojho | ah |
| 12:56.29 | VincentLaw | edit any video's metadata went pretty fast as well, not as fast as the previous, but still much faster than standard Preware. |
| 12:56.41 | rwhitby | VincentLaw: did they actually install? |
| 12:56.51 | VincentLaw | I'm restarting luna to find out right now |
| 12:57.13 | jhojho | time to restart FF. sucking up 1.32GB of mem is just so wrong |
| 12:57.22 | sbromwich | jaysus the palm forums are even worse than the precentral forums |
| 12:57.41 | sbromwich | Jailbreak, patch install is it safe? |
| 12:57.42 | jhojho | i've never been to the palm forums |
| 12:57.42 | sbromwich | ?! |
| 12:57.48 | sbromwich | you're not missing much |
| 12:57.50 | VincentLaw | yep, the patches did seem to install! |
| 12:58.12 | sbromwich | I'm trying to figure out where the best place is to report my /var / /var/log writeback findings |
| 12:58.17 | rwhitby | sbromwich: palm developer forums or public forums |
| 12:58.27 | VincentLaw | whatever caused it I'm not complaining. Patches used to take ~5-8 seconds to install, now they take ~1. haha |
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| 12:58.58 | sbromwich | rwhitby: are they on forums.palm.com or other? |
| 12:58.58 | rwhitby | VincentLaw: as long as it's writing all the info required to remove them safely too ... |
| 12:59.07 | rwhitby | sbromwich: developer.palm.com |
| 12:59.10 | VincentLaw | rwhitby: I'll test removal for you :p |
| 12:59.15 | sbromwich | ta |
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| 13:00.16 | idontwan2know | rwhitby: he's not here to ask and there isn't any contact info other than a nick...I'll just find another version to install |
| 13:00.19 | VincentLaw | said "SUCCESS", restarting luna to check. |
| 13:01.56 | VincentLaw | rwhitby: uninstalled patch successfully! |
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| 13:03.45 | rwhitby | VincentLaw: well, I don't have a theory to put behind your empirical evidence |
| 13:04.08 | VincentLaw | me either, but I'm not complaining |
| 13:04.34 | VincentLaw | I /am/ running the 800mhz patch, so maybe it benefits more from the extra power, I don't know. |
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| 13:06.36 | sbromwich | oh fuck I have to go some idiot rolled out a new client package for patient registration to 1500 users "accidentally" |
| 13:07.08 | jhojho | ROLLBACK |
| 13:07.38 | VincentLaw | sbromwich: shouldn't be a problem, all the code you write is 100% bug free at all times, right? RIGHT? :p |
| 13:09.25 | sbromwich | not my code |
| 13:09.40 | sbromwich | written by a healthcare vendor so it's shoddy crap |
| 13:09.49 | VincentLaw | :p |
| 13:10.31 | sbromwich | ask slashdot had a thread on healthcare software a few years ago and cerner and mckesson both got slammed for their piss-poor code |
| 13:10.43 | rwhitby | ok, now that the known bugs in Preware Alpha are fixed, it's time to fix the bugs in the palm catalog conversion script |
| 13:11.09 | sbromwich | Apr 6 10:04:54 h9328n1 auth|security:info sshd[1757932]: Accepted password for rlm003 from 172.24.57.202 port 3303 ssh2 |
| 13:11.14 | sbromwich | sorry, wrong window |
| 13:11.36 | rwhitby | is glad he's not in rlm003's shoes right now |
| 13:11.46 | jhojho | lol |
| 13:12.56 | sbromwich | just trying to demo ssh is working for login and it's mckesson at fault |
| 13:13.00 | sbromwich | "ssh isn't working!" |
| 13:13.11 | sbromwich | yes it bloody well is, how do you think I'm logged in to kill your sessions? |
| 13:13.22 | sbromwich | etc. |
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| 13:17.39 | VincentLaw | sbromwich: magic! |
| 13:17.41 | jhojho | offers sbromwich a LART |
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| 13:22.52 | sbromwich | it's going to take more than one at this rate, I'm going to need an arsenal |
| 13:23.08 | sbromwich | 3 of our hospitals have effectively stopped working and are unable to accept patients |
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| 13:40.11 | rwhitby | ok, palm feeds on ipkg.preware.org should additionally show packages which are not released in english |
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| 13:43.48 | uNiXpSyChO | jhojho: ping |
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| 13:43.57 | jhojho | pong |
| 13:44.11 | uNiXpSyChO | you have questions for me about schedulers? |
| 13:44.54 | jhojho | oh yeah |
| 13:45.44 | jhojho | I was asking if there was a reason for switching to noop vs cfq |
| 13:46.38 | jhojho | i havent seen any testing talk so was wondering... |
| 13:46.49 | uNiXpSyChO | in a flash based system it is pointless to add latency of an IO scheduler since there are no elevators to tune. :) |
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| 13:47.08 | jhojho | true. |
| 13:47.28 | caj2008 | hello |
| 13:47.52 | caj2008 | thanks for all your help!!! |
| 13:48.57 | jhojho | just wanted to know |
| 13:49.58 | rwhitby | hi caj2008 |
| 13:50.15 | caj2008 | hey |
| 13:50.35 | caj2008 | learning quite a bit here |
| 13:50.54 | rwhitby | jhojho: so is there an actual benefit to changing to noop, or is it just that there is no benefit to using cfq? |
| 13:51.06 | jhojho | rwhitby: see http://www.alphatek.info/2009/02/02/ssd-performance-vs-linux-kernel-io-scheduler-in-fedora-10/ |
| 13:51.24 | jhojho | and http://www.alphatek.info/2009/02/02/io-scheduler-and-ssd-part-2/ |
| 13:52.18 | jhojho | so in general the thought is that noop/deadline should help but it's a good idea to test to verify |
| 13:52.23 | rwhitby | jhojho: oh, the change is to the IO scheduler, not the CPU scheduler? |
| 13:52.28 | jhojho | yes |
| 13:52.31 | jhojho | AND |
| 13:52.43 | jhojho | the change can be made by modifying a /proc entry |
| 13:52.46 | caj2008 | nice article! |
| 13:52.51 | jhojho | which is why I wanted to pull it out of the patch |
| 13:52.52 | rwhitby | jhojho: excellent |
| 13:52.59 | jhojho | anything that is scriptable should be |
| 13:53.09 | rwhitby | jhojho: yeah, enable both but default to stock and have a script change it |
| 13:53.09 | jhojho | that would keep the kernel patch as small as possible |
| 13:53.16 | jhojho | exactly |
| 13:53.20 | caj2008 | go for it |
| 13:53.27 | jhojho | same thing with the upthreshold |
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| 13:53.58 | jhojho | unixpsycho logged off before i could ask him if he was cool with others modifying the code but i have no problem modding it. |
| 13:53.59 | jhojho | as such |
| 13:54.08 | caj2008 | go for it |
| 13:54.32 | jhojho | alright. I'll try to find some time to make some mods. |
| 13:54.41 | caj2008 | I will test it out |
| 13:55.40 | jhojho | okay |
| 13:55.44 | rwhitby | jhojho: the patch was put in that place intentionally as a common area. |
| 13:55.53 | jhojho | maybe you can help test the deadline scheduler too |
| 13:55.57 | rwhitby | (by unixpsycho) |
| 13:56.02 | jhojho | ok |
| 13:56.12 | sbromwich | deadline won't help, seek latency is too low on flash |
| 13:56.17 | sbromwich | I agree with the noop argument myself |
| 13:56.24 | rwhitby | jhojho: he will still maintain his own site for his bleeding edge kernels |
| 13:56.36 | jhojho | he has a site? |
| 13:56.45 | caj2008 | yes |
| 13:56.49 | rwhitby | http://unixpsycho.com/palm-pre/ |
| 13:57.16 | rwhitby | sbromwich: now that I realise it's IO schedulers and not CPU schedulers, I agree too. |
| 13:57.22 | jhojho | ah |
| 13:58.02 | caj2008 | nice! |
| 13:58.10 | jhojho | do kernels still use .config? its been ages since I worked on the kernel =) |
| 13:58.30 | jhojho | ages=over 10 years ago |
| 13:58.32 | rwhitby | jhojho: yep. I included the defconfig changes in the patch |
| 13:58.49 | rwhitby | for the sirloin defconfig that is |
| 14:00.09 | jhojho | rwhitby: do you want to maintain config changes as part of that patch or as a separate piece. imo it should be broken out |
| 14:00.23 | jhojho | with a diff specifically for .config changes |
| 14:00.33 | jhojho | makes it easier to read that way. |
| 14:00.55 | rwhitby | jhojho: you saw that the patch is a diff of the .config changes, right? |
| 14:00.58 | jhojho | and to track too. as none of the .config changes are as a result of a kernel source change |
| 14:01.23 | jhojho | rwhitby: right, just wanting input if that should be a separate patch |
| 14:01.34 | jhojho | because it could be applied to a stock kernel too |
| 14:01.36 | rwhitby | jhojho: but yes, it does make sense to separate, especially since a single config will need to cover multiple patches from different sources. |
| 14:01.53 | jhojho | all we are doing in there is flipping more bits on |
| 14:02.00 | jhojho | okay |
| 14:02.09 | rwhitby | (when different functionality patches are merged into a single unified modular kernel) |
| 14:02.33 | jhojho | awesome. looks like we have agreement there. |
| 14:08.42 | rwhitby | jhojho: over the next couple of days (with egaudet), I'm going to add prologue and epilogue functionality to the aupt-4 postinst and prerm to allow for the creating the device node required |
| 14:08.54 | rwhitby | (and to allow for remounting rw of /boot) |
| 14:09.01 | jhojho | cool |
| 14:09.12 | caj2008 | nice touch |
| 14:09.24 | jhojho | yeah. kinda need that for installing a new kernel =) |
| 14:09.55 | rwhitby | jhojho: currently the Makefile builds the kernel and then puts it in the additional_files location for aupt to handle |
| 14:10.19 | rwhitby | I need to get with egaudet to make sure aupt-4 handles those correctly md5sum-wise |
| 14:10.33 | jhojho | ok |
| 14:11.49 | caj2008 | May I ask a question on an issue with the current ipk (dont mean to change topic) |
| 14:11.57 | jhojho | go ahead |
| 14:13.04 | caj2008 | With a minority of users, they stll get 600 MHz for either 720 and 800 kernel. I have found that install/unistall .sh file/install ipk fixes this and I have no idea why. I can send you the ipk to look at |
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| 14:13.53 | caj2008 | any idea?? |
| 14:14.50 | sbromwich | double check scaling_max_freq? |
| 14:15.12 | sbromwich | my suspicion is half the people on the forums are just blindly cut and pasting and missing bits out |
| 14:15.24 | jhojho | sounds plausible |
| 14:15.34 | caj2008 | Script is the same. The problem has been minimized but not entirely eliminated (we put in safegurads, I will send you the new ipk's) |
| 14:15.38 | rwhitby | sbromwich: you have to remember that over 50% of the population are below average intelligence |
| 14:15.45 | caj2008 | lol |
| 14:16.06 | sbromwich | I think the average intelligence has diminished over the past decade too |
| 14:16.11 | jhojho | rwhitby: per my cousin, it's not an even bell curve distribution |
| 14:16.14 | sbromwich | that or september really *is* never going to end |
| 14:16.17 | jhojho | it's skewed to the left |
| 14:16.18 | caj2008 | I cant believe how much time is wasted on stuff explained clearly on the first page |
| 14:17.05 | caj2008 | I added wget to make .sh file download easier |
| 14:17.16 | rwhitby | well, I have a rule that I never answer the same question twice in the same thread in a 24 hour period |
| 14:17.35 | caj2008 | you are smarter than me... |
| 14:17.45 | sbromwich | is perl part of the default install? |
| 14:17.51 | rwhitby | sbromwich: nope |
| 14:17.56 | sbromwich | bum |
| 14:17.58 | rwhitby | sbromwich: but it's in optware |
| 14:18.20 | sbromwich | I was toying with writing a "run this YFI" utility to tell them exactly what their system is set up for |
| 14:18.27 | caj2008 | Sending the new ipk's by email in 5 min |
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| 14:23.12 | rwhitby | bbt - night all |
| 14:23.27 | AnOutsider | greetings earhtlings |
| 14:23.50 | rwhitby | hey AnOutsider, you just caught me. did you see the Saved Package List stuff? |
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| 14:24.38 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: where did we get to with themes and aupt-4? I was just chatting with Jason that we should get theme support into aupt-4 before we push it out |
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| 14:27.20 | AnOutsider | saved package list stuff? |
| 14:27.31 | AnOutsider | also, nothing has changed in the themes packaging in ages |
| 14:27.41 | AnOutsider | do we have a spec for aupt and themes now or? |
| 14:27.56 | JayCanuck | yep |
| 14:27.58 | JayCanuck | :) |
| 14:28.33 | JayCanuck | however I'd like to request egaudet to specify a different, less partisan, file location for the theme identifier |
| 14:29.39 | rwhitby | JayCanuck: agreed, no need for org names to be in a common non-partisan standard |
| 14:30.08 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: http://bit.ly/holy-grail-of-homebrew |
| 14:30.09 | AnOutsider | okie dok |
| 14:30.15 | AnOutsider | is this info in the wiki or? |
| 14:30.28 | AnOutsider | ah yes, I did see that the other day Rod |
| 14:30.47 | AnOutsider | I actually isntalled the Alpha this morning and played a bit |
| 14:31.13 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=autopatch/postinst.testing and http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=autopatch/prerm.testing |
| 14:31.40 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: 0.9.58 has some important bug fixes - a buffer overrun error causing the hangs when scanning unknown packages |
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| 14:32.09 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: and 0.9.58 should correctly uninstall Package Manager Service without removing all the feeds |
| 14:32.29 | rwhitby | (it leaves Preware there) |
| 14:32.29 | VincentLaw | just had the crashed phone/email/calendar/IM issue again |
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| 14:32.35 | VincentLaw | I really wish Palm could figure out that bug |
| 14:32.37 | AnOutsider | .58 of the base preware or C preware |
| 14:32.56 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: base preware is 0.9.35 - C preware is 0.9.50+ |
| 14:33.02 | AnOutsider | Ah yeah, it did have all my feeds when I opened the alpha |
| 14:33.37 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: if you've got ipkgservice < 0.9.45 installed, it will remove the feeds when it is uninstalled |
| 14:34.22 | rwhitby | so I'll be pushing an update to the java ipkgservice too, so that it no longer does that (all feed setup is now in the postinst instead of being static files that ipkg uninstalls automatically) |
| 14:34.33 | AnOutsider | nope, updated the package service this morning, so I think I'm good |
| 14:34.47 | AnOutsider | where are the primary speed improvements in the alpha? |
| 14:34.51 | AnOutsider | package installation? |
| 14:35.06 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: so a good test is to install preware 0.9.35, ipkgservice 0.9.45, and then install preware-alpha 0.9.58 over the top and make sure it cleanly removes ipkgservice. |
| 14:35.51 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: the logic is basically the same, except it downloads the package first using curl (hence the progress stats) and then ipkg installs from the local file |
| 14:36.17 | AnOutsider | whereas the rpevious version called ipkg on the remote url? |
| 14:36.29 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: apart from that, just the speed of C with staticly allocated buffers vs Java strings ;-) |
| 14:37.00 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: Java version allows ipkg to choose the download URL based on the feeds |
| 14:37.11 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: C version has that URL passed down from Preware |
| 14:37.52 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: that allows for things like installing something which is not the latest version of a something |
| 14:38.13 | AnOutsider | roger that |
| 14:38.24 | rwhitby | but is mainly for the download stats |
| 14:38.24 | AnOutsider | at the very least, it's really good having everything in one package now |
| 14:38.40 | rwhitby | yeah, that should cut out at least 50% of support issues |
| 14:38.41 | AnOutsider | updating preware and PMS individually was a bit of a pain |
| 14:39.05 | AnOutsider | btw, don't remember if I said it this mornign, but thank you or zsoc for adding newsroom |
| 14:39.20 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: no probs - I did that today over lunch |
| 14:39.47 | rwhitby | pity it doesn't sync with google reader |
| 14:40.10 | AnOutsider | i know, manually entering urls can be a pain. and the app is prone to flipping out and deleting my feeds sometimes |
| 14:40.12 | zsoc_wirc | AnOutsider: yes, one might say I convinced rod to do it |
| 14:40.15 | AnOutsider | so this is invaluable |
| 14:40.23 | AnOutsider | hehe, either way, thanks guys |
| 14:40.25 | zsoc_wirc | AnOutsider: someone else might say he read my mind |
| 14:40.53 | zsoc_wirc | AnOutsider: still, other's might say he did it on his own accord |
| 14:41.08 | JayCanuck | hmm why "VERSION=aupt-1" currently the aupt scripts on the git? |
| 14:41.28 | JayCanuck | nvm, my mistake |
| 14:41.52 | AnOutsider | so, real quick, did anything ever come of moving themes to css patches? |
| 14:43.21 | JayCanuck | I think they had some ideas, but I believe the css idea had some big issues, like not affects several key images folders, and the frustrating "!important" css keyword |
| 14:43.53 | AnOutsider | hmm, the !important bit could likely be solved with some css trickery |
| 14:44.07 | AnOutsider | what that about the image folders though? |
| 14:44.42 | JayCanuck | like image folders used by lunasysmgr |
| 14:46.57 | JayCanuck | I have an interesting idea for themes |
| 14:47.07 | AnOutsider | do tell |
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| 14:48.51 | JayCanuck | well, as you may or may not be aware, recently both rod's ipkg scripts and my jpkg-webos library were updated to include support for palm's pmPostInstall.script and pmPreRemove.script |
| 14:49.54 | JayCanuck | basically allowing for installation/uninstallation via palm's ApplicationInstallUtility |
| 14:50.02 | zsoc_wirc | wonders if themes could just go away... |
| 14:50.18 | rwhitby | zsoc_wirc: themes are paying for AnOutsider's retirement ;-) |
| 14:50.27 | AnOutsider | haha hardly |
| 14:50.44 | JayCanuck | me and rod recently came to an agreement on a how services should function under this system |
| 14:50.47 | AnOutsider | what doesnt go to server bills goes to WOI donations |
| 14:51.06 | rwhitby | which we then spend on server hardware :) |
| 14:51.08 | AnOutsider | somewhat agrees with zsoc |
| 14:51.12 | caj2008 | dont some of themes mess with aupt4 compatibility of some of the patches?? |
| 14:51.25 | JayCanuck | nope |
| 14:51.42 | JayCanuck | not if themes are installed separate to patches in themes |
| 14:52.00 | rwhitby | themes are currently completely outside of the scope of AUPT, and are considered to be manual uncontrolled changes if they touch the same files as patches |
| 14:52.03 | caj2008 | ok |
| 14:52.32 | JayCanuck | me and rod agreed on having a /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/whatever/ folder with an appinfo and icon |
| 14:52.36 | caj2008 | makes sense |
| 14:52.46 | JayCanuck | (for services) |
| 14:52.46 | rwhitby | but all the right stakeholders are in agreement to remedy that in the fullness of time |
| 14:53.11 | rwhitby | (mainly so you can orange+tap remove them) |
| 14:53.23 | AnOutsider | orange tap themes? |
| 14:53.28 | AnOutsider | so themes would be installed as apps |
| 14:54.00 | JayCanuck | with the appinfo.json and the icon.png, under the new postinst/prerm format, you can keep the launcher icon hidden, but allow the app to remain listed in the app list and be user-removable without any special software |
| 14:54.13 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: I was referring to orange tapping services. I'm not up to speed on what Jason is describing yet |
| 14:54.28 | AnOutsider | gotcha to both |
| 14:54.56 | Rick_work | orange-tap themes would be so cool. |
| 14:55.07 | JayCanuck | my suggestion would be to include the same format on themes, for user-conventient uninstalls :) |
| 14:55.11 | AnOutsider | my goal is to have themes as self-sufficient as possible. it becomes a pain managing it all (especially between OS updates), so that's why I was open to the CSS thing |
| 14:55.48 | AnOutsider | So, having post install scripts officially from palm, think homebrew will make it to the catalog? |
| 14:55.51 | JayCanuck | well, aupt is a huge step forward with that respect |
| 14:55.56 | JayCanuck | nope |
| 14:56.04 | AnOutsider | I know themes wouldnt (or shouldnt)-- too much can go wrong to be officially distributed |
| 14:56.49 | rwhitby | AnOutsider: nope, I've already asked, and the word is that all scripts are stripped at submission time. only Palm can officially use them. (and only we can unofficially use them ;-) |
| 14:57.03 | AnOutsider | heh, fair enough |
| 14:57.21 | AnOutsider | it would be a nightmare in any case |
| 14:57.26 | rwhitby | random post install scripts would cross the bright line of app catalog security |
| 14:58.06 | caj2008 | I am surprised they didnt excecute a cease and desist order on some of this but they know secretly waht is best to maintian user satisfaction |
| 14:58.15 | gelato | can I use reize2fs and just resize my already working debian chroot on the pre to be however much bigger I need it to be? or is other steps involved |
| 14:59.07 | zsoc_wirc | caj2008: uh... for what? |
| 14:59.09 | rwhitby | caj2008: WebOS Internals, from day 1, has always done things in a manner which complies with all copyrights and carrier terms of service. There is nothing that can be the target of a cease and desist. |
| 14:59.27 | Rick_work | They have very very clearly articulated their policy on tht caj2008 they know people will push the limits. |
| 14:59.59 | caj2008 | anything that indirectlt manipulates Palm source material?? |
| 15:00.11 | gelato | well I'm trying to make the debian chroot bigger |
| 15:00.27 | rwhitby | caj2008: as long as you don't redistribute the Palm material, you are not making yourself a cease and desist target. |
| 15:00.33 | VincentLaw | caj2008: how is that grounds for C&D? |
| 15:00.37 | caj2008 | yep!! |
| 15:00.52 | gelato | but I'm wondering if I can just do resize2fs or I need to start over with the chroot |
| 15:00.55 | VincentLaw | preware and anything in it doesn't redistribute palm materials ... |
| 15:01.18 | rwhitby | gelato: a resize is going to be slow on the Pre - best to copy off, resize on desktop, then copy back |
| 15:01.52 | gelato | cool, and the file structure will remain the same? |
| 15:02.07 | zsoc_wirc | gelato: so slow, it tends to crash, I've tried |
| 15:02.20 | zsoc_wirc | gelato: yeah, just do md5 checksums in and out |
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| 15:02.33 | gelato | nice thanks all |
| 15:03.35 | gelato | I'm turning the pre into a nice little pen tester and I need more space |
| 15:03.38 | rwhitby | gelato: and keep a spare copy of the image before resizing |
| 15:03.58 | gelato | hmm good idea rwhitby |
| 15:04.03 | rwhitby | gelato: no wifi master mode though, right? |
| 15:04.05 | zsoc_wirc | also e2fsck has saved my neck a few time with bad resizes |
| 15:04.36 | rwhitby | gelato: and we learnt yesterday the Pre doesn't have the required voltage regulator for OTG host mode |
| 15:04.45 | ka6sox | zsoc_wirc, you have to run an e2fsck to do a resize first. |
| 15:04.51 | rwhitby | so you can't do a usb wifi stick |
| 15:05.15 | gelato | rwhitby: yeah but I got some other ideas |
| 15:06.04 | zsoc_wirc | ka6sox: er... yes certain options for it I seemed to remember helped after... |
| 15:06.13 | zsoc_wirc | was awhile ago tho |
| 15:08.28 | sbromwich | gelato: I did it by editing /etc/fstab, commenting out /media/internal, rebooted, delete the LV, recreate smaller, mkdosfs it, re-enable in /etc/fstab, reboot |
| 15:08.56 | sbromwich | palm-webos-device cpufreq # vgdisplay | egrep 'Alloc|Free' |
| 15:08.56 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.56 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.56 | sbromwich | palm-webos-device cpufreq # |
| 15:09.05 | sbromwich | WFM. |
| 15:09.53 | sbromwich | also an extra swap LV helped me for what I was doing |
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| 15:12.50 | nt4cats | yawns |
| 15:13.09 | gelato | sbromwich: thanks that might help with some other plans..i want to repartition /media/internal |
| 15:13.21 | sbromwich | easiest is just to blow it away |
| 15:13.43 | sbromwich | (allow me to not state the obvious re: backups since you know what you're doing) |
| 15:15.18 | gelato | sbromwich: haha yeah |
| 15:16.34 | gelato | lets hope so |
| 15:16.48 | sbromwich | certainly if you're pen testing ;-) |
| 15:17.25 | loot- | i got a usb wifi adaptor to work with rfmon using an externally powered usb hub |
| 15:17.25 | rwhitby | VincentLaw: are you sure those patches were installing correctly? |
| 15:17.55 | loot- | clunky to carry around with you and requires external power |
| 15:17.57 | rwhitby | loot-: connected to a Pre? |
| 15:18.00 | loot- | yea |
| 15:18.12 | loot- | i dont use it though because its easier to just use my laptop honestly |
| 15:18.14 | rwhitby | loot-: and you got the USB hub to enumerate? |
| 15:18.35 | loot- | rwhitby: this was with 1.3x and a custom kernel but ya |
| 15:18.44 | loot- | it was weird though |
| 15:18.46 | rwhitby | loot-: are you able to share the details with destinal? |
| 15:18.48 | loot- | it would only work with one device at a time |
| 15:19.04 | loot- | i can probably recreate yes |
| 15:19.55 | loot- | i just doctored my phone a couple weeks ago and have been extremely busy lately so i havent had time to hack up my phone again |
| 15:20.15 | gelato | enumerating usb would be sweeeeet |
| 15:20.25 | rwhitby | loot-: we are *very* keen to know how you got enumeration going |
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| 15:21.11 | loot- | rwhitby: ill pull out the hub and try it again tomorrow night |
| 15:21.20 | rwhitby | loot-: thx |
| 15:21.21 | loot- | i have dinner plans tonight otherwise i'd start today |
| 15:21.41 | loot- | it was a huge pain though i do remember that |
| 15:21.43 | DrFunk | hey just a quick ? does anyone no if you can use the chat for friendsbook ?? |
| 15:22.05 | rwhitby | loot-: no rush, but we do want the info ;-) |
| 15:22.29 | rwhitby | loot-: we're building a replacement kernel, so if that can be incorporated we want to do it |
| 15:22.35 | loot- | unfortunately i do remember having to do some things to the kernel |
| 15:22.37 | loot- | ah ya |
| 15:22.40 | loot- | that would work well then |
| 15:22.56 | loot- | i had my own pre patch going for awhile |
| 15:23.06 | loot- | back ported grsecurity patch to the pre's kernel version |
| 15:23.08 | rwhitby | loot-: the replacement kernel will be installable via Preware |
| 15:23.18 | loot- | excellent |
| 15:23.36 | loot- | now we just need palm to fix the "everything runs as root" issue and i will be completely satisfied with my pre |
| 15:23.38 | rwhitby | loot-: transparently built from source and patches on the autobuilder |
| 15:23.56 | nt4cats | rwhitby: how would the kernel ipk support uninstall/rollback? |
| 15:24.07 | rwhitby | nt4cats: aupt |
| 15:24.23 | nt4cats | rwhitby: hmmm, that sounds remarkably well thought-out. |
| 15:24.39 | loot- | it sounds excellent IMO |
| 15:24.56 | loot- | imagine having a grsecurity hardened kernel available to just click install on the pre |
| 15:25.00 | DrFunk | anyone have a idea ? |
| 15:25.06 | loot- | with pre-generated RBAC policy for luna and such |
| 15:25.13 | rwhitby | loot-: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=kernels/patches.git;a=tree |
| 15:25.15 | nt4cats | DrFunk: I didn't understand your question, actually |
| 15:25.32 | rwhitby | loot-: and http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=hardware/uber-kernel-pre |
| 15:25.40 | loot- | ah speaking of |
| 15:25.58 | loot- | how well does the 800mhz OC patch work with seido extended batteries? |
| 15:26.10 | zsoc_wirc | so glyder 2 and wirc run at the same time fine with 800mhz |
| 15:26.13 | loot- | i noticed gaming on the regular stock palm battery it got hot enough to cook an egg |
| 15:26.19 | rwhitby | loot-: I'll point you to caj2008 for that one |
| 15:27.04 | loot- | and im annoyed with my touchstone... it left a big ugly ring stain in the wood of my night stand |
| 15:27.13 | en0x | so the kernel is the same one as we had for 1.4.0? |
| 15:27.23 | DrFunk | nt4cats: chat with friendsbook it's not facebook but the other |
| 15:27.38 | zsoc_wirc | nt4cats: g'day |
| 15:27.41 | loot- | well en0x with embedded gear it is just much easier to backport important patches and keep consistent dependency versions |
| 15:27.45 | rwhitby | en0x: yep, but that one I pasted is not released - I'll be waiting for official source code |
| 15:27.51 | loot- | especially when everything relies on kernel headers for building and what not |
| 15:27.56 | nt4cats | waves at zsoc_wirc |
| 15:28.09 | nt4cats | DrFunk: are you asking if the frindsbook supports a chat feature? |
| 15:28.16 | nt4cats | s/supports/app supports/ |
| 15:28.23 | DrFunk | yes |
| 15:28.47 | DrFunk | or is it just facebook |
| 15:29.09 | loot- | oh another negative btw |
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| 15:29.12 | loot- | while im thinking about it |
| 15:29.28 | loot- | getting the phone to enumerate usb also meant that it broke novacom entirely |
| 15:29.39 | loot- | and refused to charge over USB |
| 15:30.04 | loot- | im sure that can be fixed eventually but that was one of the problems i was having when i last worked on it |
| 15:30.07 | en0x | well so till the official kernel source+patches won't be released by palm i'm not gonna overclock it with the old kernel |
| 15:30.56 | loot- | luckily i was using the terminal app and openssh over wifi while testing |
| 15:31.05 | nt4cats | DrFunk: I don't use that app, but I don't see a mention of chat. |
| 15:31.14 | loot- | and touchstone charging still worked IIRC |
| 15:31.39 | rwhitby | en0x: we're not aware of any incompatibilities |
| 15:31.48 | DrFunk | ack so nt4cats it's just for facebook than |
| 15:31.52 | nt4cats | DrFunk: I did see instructions for 'tricking' your Pre's messaging application into connecting to Facebook chat |
| 15:32.14 | nt4cats | DrFunk: want me to see if I can find those instructions for you? |
| 15:32.32 | DrFunk | sure if you don't mine |
| 15:32.36 | DrFunk | mind* |
| 15:33.50 | loot- | bleh... now i want to mess with my pre again and i have to continue bug fixing some crappy PHP someone desperately needs |
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| 15:34.27 | nt4cats | DrFunk: I am not specifically endorsing this technique -- I just noticed an article about it. It could be the best thing ever (or maybe not). I haven't tried it ... http://www.precentral.net/facebook-chat-comes-messaging-patch |
| 15:35.11 | DrFunk | nt4cats: got it that's for facebook |
| 15:35.16 | DrFunk | thanks |
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| 15:38.23 | rwhitby | So the alternate machine we were using for autobuilding didn't have lsdiff installed, and so was building incorrect patch packages for those updated since the autobuilder broke. They're all rebuilding correctly now and should upload soon. |
| 15:38.39 | Rick_work | YIPPEE!!! |
| 15:39.22 | en0x | oh i thought my pre died ... while installing the 720mhz kernel i got cannot mount / ... and it shut down ;) |
| 15:39.26 | caj2008 | for loot, I found use of the 2600 Seidio back minimizes heating and that for reasons unknown an uninstall/reinstall process can improve on unusual activity seen like excessive loss of batter and heating |
| 15:39.53 | en0x | i almost sh... myself |
| 15:40.06 | caj2008 | I dont know why the latter seems to clear up issues with some of the users..just something we learned |
| 15:41.32 | caj2008 | My seidio 2600 goes over a day with constant use and on touchstone temp never exceeds 41C |
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| 15:43.04 | caj2008 | did I answer your questions, loot? |
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| 15:46.39 | nfoxTc_bftd | anyone know how to paste in the terminal app |
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| 15:47.17 | nfoxTc | or use symbols I need | |
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| 15:48.22 | nfoxTc | anyone? |
| 15:48.37 | gelato | nfoxTc: :http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Terminal |
| 15:48.51 | nfoxTc | thanks |
| 15:50.28 | nfoxTc | ah that sucks no pasting |
| 15:50.42 | nt4cats | nfoxTc: the app also has a "non-obvious keys" help page in its menu -- but I wouldn't recommend you open it up because doing so just crashed Luna on my Pre :) |
| 15:50.49 | nfoxTc | guess I'll have to install my tether from my pc |
| 15:51.21 | Mitalis | Does anybody find their phone prone to crashing if you tap the power button to wake/sleep your phone? |
| 15:51.40 | Mitalis | I've had 3 restarts yesterday... And this was trying to wake the phone... |
| 15:52.03 | nfoxTc | same here |
| 15:52.04 | nt4cats | Mitalis: I had a problem with that in 1.4 often. With 1.4.1 it happend a few times, but it hasn't happened to me since I updated to the newer Facebook beta. |
| 15:52.12 | en0x | i had one right after the update and that's all |
| 15:52.16 | en0x | havent seen one since |
| 15:52.44 | nt4cats | Mitalis: either it is a complete coincidence (possible) -- or all of the orphaned background tasks spawned by the 1.1.4 Facebook beta were making things unstable |
| 15:52.47 | nfoxTc | anyone know why I would get ipgk errors with freetether? |
| 15:52.50 | dthought | nfoxTc: you can cat /tmp/webkit-paste |
| 15:53.14 | nfoxTc | I don't know what that means |
| 15:53.29 | dthought | to substitute paste |
| 15:53.41 | nfoxTc | even if I could just get a | in there I'd just type the wget line |
| 15:54.19 | dthought | cat /tmp/webkit-clipboard it is |
| 15:54.20 | nt4cats | pipe is Orange + . |
| 15:54.27 | nt4cats | orange key and a period |
| 15:54.36 | dthought | what exactly is your clipboard content? |
| 15:54.55 | nfoxTc | ah that's what pipe means lol |
| 15:55.16 | nfoxTc | wget -qO- http://mytether.net/install.php | /bin/sh |
| 15:55.25 | nfoxTc | that's what it is dthough |
| 15:56.14 | dthought | ah |
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| 15:56.31 | dthought | you'd need to type $(cat /tmp/webkit-clipboard) |
| 15:56.39 | dthought | but i don't get the $ .... |
| 15:58.21 | nfoxTc | nah I got it...i just didn't feel like installing from my pc |
| 15:58.34 | nfoxTc | anyone else try the paid version yet? |
| 15:59.28 | nfoxTc | hold on switchin to pc |
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| 16:01.30 | dthought | nfoxTc ah!. sh /tmp/webkit-clipboard should have worked for your case; too |
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| 16:54.04 | en0x | stupid sprint |
| 16:54.17 | en0x | they redirecting all my phone calls to sprint debit department |
| 16:54.25 | en0x | but I don't have any outstanding balance or past due |
| 16:54.27 | en0x | eh |
| 16:57.00 | en0x | lady from sprint "please disregard this message" |
| 16:57.18 | en0x | me: I wish I could but I can't because it's redirecting me to sprint debit department |
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| 17:01.39 | Mousey | what version of Terminal doesn't make my luna reboot? |
| 17:01.47 | Mousey | ...and where do i get it? |
| 17:02.10 | ka6sox | just don't attempt to swipe backwards |
| 17:02.16 | Mousey | oh |
| 17:02.17 | Mousey | uh |
| 17:02.22 | Mousey | you're psychic |
| 17:02.49 | ka6sox | but of course :D |
| 17:03.06 | Mousey | how does one get out of the preferences screen in that case? |
| 17:04.12 | Rick_work | you can't. If you go into pref's you're there forever. |
| 17:04.40 | en0x | is it ok to remove the kernel ipk by using preware? |
| 17:04.41 | ka6sox | there is the official answer |
| 17:04.58 | en0x | hmm i think so |
| 17:05.01 | en0x | nvm the question |
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| 17:23.52 | nt4cats | Mousey: if you go into the preferences screen you just have to go buy a new Pre, that's all. |
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| 17:25.31 | Mousey | apparently =P |
| 17:25.47 | Mousey | grr |
| 17:25.51 | Mousey | same problem tho |
| 17:25.58 | Mousey | makes terminus more attractive again! |
| 17:27.24 | Mousey | oh |
| 17:27.24 | Mousey | i see |
| 17:27.25 | Mousey | nm |
| 17:27.31 | Mousey | ^_^ |
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| 17:34.42 | Rick_work | isn't xterm in the beta feeds? |
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| 18:14.18 | dtzWill | Mousey: use xterm! :D |
| 18:14.24 | dtzWill | Rick_work: yes xterm is in testing feeds :) |
| 18:14.26 | Mousey | k! |
| 18:14.30 | Mousey | i saw it there ^_^ |
| 18:14.35 | Mousey | but what wm? |
| 18:15.12 | dtzWill | Mousey: but really the normal terminal application works fine other than the preferences.... which the other terminals don't offer, so shrug. as much as i'd like everyone using xterm.. :) |
| 18:15.23 | dtzWill | Mousey: the xterm package has no wm--just grab the 'xterm', and click it and away you go. |
| 18:15.35 | Mousey | doesn't it need the xserver? |
| 18:15.39 | Mousey | (which i have ^_^) |
| 18:15.40 | dtzWill | Mousey: it'll grab it |
| 18:15.50 | dtzWill | Mousey: in that case it'll use it :) |
| 18:16.00 | dtzWill | Mousey: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:X as a reference. |
| 18:16.02 | Mousey | would grab it, but phone is busy pretending it's a USB drive atm |
| 18:16.07 | dtzWill | oh right you have it so maybe you've seen it |
| 18:16.09 | dtzWill | hehe kk |
| 18:16.27 | Mousey | i saw xterm this morning, yha |
| 18:16.29 | Mousey | yah, even |
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| 18:20.02 | Jack87 | hello! |
| 18:20.27 | Jack87 | has an app idea but needs input on how to start or support for it |
| 18:21.28 | Jack87 | wants to be able to wirelessly upload to palm pre as well as download from (while pre runs a webserver) |
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| 18:22.22 | Jack87 | Any idea how to implement such a thing. is it possible via ngix? |
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| 18:29.04 | zsoc_wirc | wirc has suddently decided to reorder the natual order of my windows, it's quite odd |
| 18:32.47 | sbromwich | I have an alpha perl script that applies all the go faster settings I've found so far |
| 18:32.53 | sbromwich | http://www.fop.ns.ca/pre/tnb.pl |
| 18:32.55 | Jack87 | zsoc_wirc: you might be just the man to help with my idea hre |
| 18:33.05 | sbromwich | take a copy of /etc/fstab before you run it just in case |
| 18:33.14 | Jack87 | [12:20] * Jack87 has an app idea but needs input on how to start or support for it [12:21] * Jack87 wants to be able to wirelessly upload to palm pre as well as download from (while pre runs a webserver) |
| 18:33.24 | sbromwich | (amazing how much work one can get done sat in a worthless conference call) |
| 18:33.48 | sbromwich | Jack87: sftp |
| 18:33.57 | rwhitby | Jack87: there's already a wiki page on WebDav which does that |
| 18:34.14 | zsoc_wirc | Jack87: there's actually many ways to do that. |
| 18:34.44 | sbromwich | write an app to simulate a front panel and toggle the binary opcodes in by hand |
| 18:35.01 | Jack87 | so basically will use IP to connect to the pre webserver (DDNS) |
| 18:37.08 | Jack87 | how would on use web browser on computer to upload files |
| 18:38.20 | Jack87 | rwhitby: can you point me to wiki page? |
| 18:41.25 | zsoc_wirc | Jack87: a web browser would involve something like lighty |
| 18:41.30 | zsoc_wirc | on a non-standard port |
| 18:41.39 | zsoc_wirc | or maybe 443 (https) |
| 18:42.06 | Jack87 | and lighty has already been ported to the pre? |
| 18:42.47 | Jack87 | now what would be needed is a MOJO app that can control the web server for an end user and tell them the https://IP:443 |
| 18:44.08 | zsoc_wirc | Jack87: right, it would have to assist setting up ddns, and allow you to enter user/pass (so you can have my.pre.cx or similar instead of ip) |
| 18:44.09 | rwhitby | Jack87: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/219094-howto-sync-your-palm-pre-files-without-external-software-using-webdav.html |
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| 18:44.15 | zsoc_wirc | and a user/pass for things |
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| 18:45.18 | Jack87 | zsoc_wirc: right... ddns can be an option. user/pass can be an option as well. (it should have controls to turn server on and off via app) |
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| 18:57.19 | Jack87 | it be a perfect way to send files to another pre in a sense... |
| 18:57.36 | Jack87 | other pre goes to your pre's web address via browser and downloads |
| 18:58.45 | Jack87 | thanks for the linke rwhitby |
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| 18:59.35 | jerms | any 1.4.1.1 overclocking patch available yet ? |
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| 19:05.09 | Jack87 | jerms: http://tinyurl.com/ye4hqsy |
| 19:05.23 | sbromwich | I'm running the original overclocked kernel on 1.4.1 FWIW |
| 19:05.30 | en0x | i just installed it |
| 19:05.34 | en0x | the 720Mhz kernel |
| 19:05.38 | scoutcamper | hi all |
| 19:06.20 | scoutcamper | i have an offer, if anyone wants to make a google wave app, i will give them an invite to google wave |
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| 19:09.02 | scoutcamper | is anyone interested? |
| 19:10.10 | sbromwich | a monetary donation to the webos team might get a better response |
| 19:10.36 | en0x | google wave sux |
| 19:10.47 | sbromwich | all software sucks |
| 19:10.56 | sbromwich | the trick is finding the least sucky software |
| 19:10.58 | en0x | yap google wave especially:D |
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| 19:11.09 | scoutcamper | en0x they have improved it ALOT! |
| 19:11.24 | en0x | lemme check |
| 19:12.11 | en0x | yapo i still see no use for it |
| 19:12.28 | en0x | and the gui is a suxorz |
| 19:12.28 | en0x | :P |
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| 19:12.50 | scoutcamper | if there are alot of people you know that have accounts it is amazing. |
| 19:14.52 | sbromwich | yeah, that's called the "chicken and egg" problem in the software world |
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| 19:21.57 | jacques_pre | howdy |
| 19:22.40 | rwhitby | sbromwich: actually donations to webos internals often have little effect on motivation if no-one on the team already has an itch to scratch which matches ... |
| 19:23.00 | rwhitby | (donations expect a certain app to be created that is) |
| 19:23.07 | rwhitby | s/expect/expecting/ |
| 19:23.53 | rwhitby | tries to go back to sleep now that the patches autobuilder fiasco seems to be resolved |
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| 19:26.02 | sbromwich | rwhitby: slightly more likely than just offering invites to some web service I would think, though ;-) |
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| 19:28.51 | zsoc_wirc | sbromwich: what happened to not being back till august? |
| 19:29.17 | Mercury | What I really want at the moment is an app that watches running javascript processes (like say jstop), and restarts the background phone app whenever it dies. |
| 19:29.34 | chrisa | What, the TIL? |
| 19:29.52 | Mercury | TIL? |
| 19:30.13 | Jack87 | is it possible to install service via palm app catalog? |
| 19:32.06 | bpadalino|work | i thought luna already had a configuration thing to keep certain applications in memory no matter what |
| 19:32.09 | bpadalino|work | and phone was one fo them |
| 19:34.19 | idontwan2know | I've noticed that phone, messaging and the browser always load way faster after the first time, suggesting that they are cached to some degree. |
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| 19:35.18 | scoutcamper | that would make sense idontwan2know |
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| 19:36.12 | scoutcamper | s/would/would totaly |
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| 19:36.50 | timothy1jones | preware on 1.4.1.1: I used bootstrap method, but when I launch preware I get: Service Method Exception java.lang.NullPointerException undefined. How to fix? |
| 19:37.25 | Jack87 | or can an ipk package and install a service and app in one install |
| 19:38.20 | timothy1jones | Jack87, ^ is this for me? |
| 19:38.47 | Jack87 | timothy1jones: no jsut a general question whoever can answer :) |
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| 19:39.54 | timothy1jones | Jack87, or sorry, I just joined and saw your line after my |
| 19:41.41 | timothy1jones | after rebooting preware now say The Package Manager Service is not running... Maybe error is boot-strap process? |
| 19:50.42 | timothy1jones | the install goes no problesm: http://tinyurl.com/yhn2xdv |
| 19:51.34 | timothy1jones | but I notice that ipkgservice version is 0.9.44, preware is 0.9.33 |
| 19:51.39 | timothy1jones | is problem for this? |
| 19:58.21 | idontwan2know | Okay...done worrying about battery life. Just bought a couple of Centro batteries and a wall charger on ebay for a grand total of $14 |
| 20:04.18 | sbromwich | zsoc_wirc: I can write dinky little perl scripts while I'm in meetings doing SFA, but kernel compiles are a bit much |
| 20:06.15 | sbromwich | I might possibly have time to make a youtube video showing how fast I can scroll the launcher up and down as well. |
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| 20:08.12 | timothy1jones | Maybe these related? http://pastebin.ca/1857319 |
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| 20:09.15 | timothy1jones | any preware devs here? Or am I speaking into black hole? :) |
| 20:09.39 | ka6sox | patience, grasshopper...its all volunteers here... |
| 20:10.56 | timothy1jones | ka6sox, thank you brother. I wasn't sure maybe nobody here. I wait |
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| 20:13.56 | ka6sox | timothy1jones, I can't answer your question but about 1-2hrs from now things will start hopping. |
| 20:14.55 | timothy1jones | ka6sox, ah I see. thank you again my friend. I come back later and ask again :) |
| 20:16.38 | ka6sox | that works! |
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| 20:21.39 | zsoc_wirc | so... I try to avoid windows so I may be out of the loop... |
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| 20:21.52 | zsoc_wirc | does novacom not work on windows 7 x64? |
| 20:22.05 | halfhalo_T400 | considering I'm using it... |
| 20:22.09 | halfhalo_T400 | like, at this second |
| 20:22.25 | halfhalo_T400 | novaterm is not installed by default though |
| 20:22.48 | zsoc_wirc | halfhalo_T400: the version in both the sdk and the pdk don't seem to work |
| 20:22.53 | zsoc_wirc | is there a process? |
| 20:23.05 | halfhalo_T400 | how are you trying to use it |
| 20:23.23 | zsoc_wirc | in any way |
| 20:23.33 | halfhalo | well, I mean how are you trying to run it |
| 20:23.34 | zsoc_wirc | novaterm, novacom commandline, or wosqi |
| 20:23.51 | zsoc_wirc | from command line? or with installer in wosqi |
| 20:24.13 | halfhalo | try from the command prompt |
| 20:24.14 | halfhalo | novacom -t open tty:// |
| 20:24.45 | zsoc_wirc | .. don't you think I know how it works? lol |
| 20:24.50 | zsoc_wirc | 'unable to find device' |
| 20:24.52 | halfhalo | no I don't |
| 20:25.09 | zsoc_wirc | the device isn't recognized |
| 20:25.25 | halfhalo | does it connect to the emu? |
| 20:25.57 | zsoc_wirc | ... I'm not using the emulator. I only have access to a win7 machine at the moment. this is a one time fix thing for a friend. |
| 20:26.39 | halfhalo | well, I was just wondering if its a novacom <-> pre issue vs a novacom <-> all issue |
| 20:27.17 | zsoc_wirc | I'll figure it out. thanks |
| 20:27.37 | halfhalo | oh, seriously? you can have novacom wait for a device? |
| 20:27.43 | halfhalo | thats freaking cool |
| 20:27.54 | chrisa | -w |
| 20:28.42 | halfhalo | zsoc_wirc: It CAN be touchy sometimes. But a reboot of both pre and comp usually fixes that |
| 20:30.48 | zsoc_wirc | I should never have to reboot a computer. |
| 20:30.58 | halfhalo | this is windows here.... |
| 20:31.23 | zsoc_wirc | well rebooting a webos phone is just silly imo. |
| 20:32.39 | zsoc_wirc | unless you are enabling usbnet ;) |
| 20:33.53 | zsoc_wirc | reinstalling the sdk worked |
| 20:34.31 | halfhalo | heh |
| 20:34.40 | halfhalo | sounds like the novacom service died |
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| 20:52.10 | hucksy | [22:31] <zsoc_wirc> well rebooting a webos phone is just silly imo. <- how to fix dns issues then? ;) |
| 20:52.30 | zsoc_wirc | hucksy: what dns issues? |
| 20:52.40 | halfhalo | there is no spoon |
| 20:53.01 | zsoc_wirc | there's almost no reason to reboot a linux box unless you are changing the kernel in some way, or for some new kernel modules. |
| 20:53.03 | hucksy | sometimes my pre wont resolve any names, but the 3g connection is fine |
| 20:53.29 | zsoc_wirc | hucksy: that doesn't make sense, but you could probably just bring the interface down and backup |
| 20:54.27 | hucksy | nah, looks like the resolv-conf is broken in this case but i dont know where webos saves the nameserver ips |
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| 20:54.54 | zsoc_wirc | I have literally never heard of such a thing. how did you break it? :D |
| 20:55.07 | hucksy | i dont know :p |
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| 20:59.47 | hucksy | but yes, rebooting linux sucks |
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| 21:19.58 | hucksy | zsoc_wirc: btw, do you have some "lost lines" in wirc? |
| 21:20.54 | hucksy | (thats not just my problem ;) |
| 21:22.34 | zsoc_wirc | lost.. lines? |
| 21:22.46 | zsoc | pokes zsoc_wirc |
| 21:22.54 | zsoc_wirc | ow |
| 21:23.12 | zsoc | pokes zsoc_wirc harder |
| 21:23.20 | phil_bw | careful there buddy |
| 21:23.46 | zsoc | I'm a professional. |
| 21:23.50 | hucksy | hehe |
| 21:24.32 | zsoc | I my service would work. Instead of just exploding. |
| 21:24.34 | hucksy | yeah, sometimes there a lines that wirc just not show |
| 21:24.52 | zsoc | hucksy: i don't run into that.. unless you mean the ones that come up all white... they show once i scroll down a bit |
| 21:26.11 | hucksy | mh no, they are really ... "lost" ... ;) i have no idea why, that has nothing to do with unstable connections etc. |
| 21:26.49 | zsoc | odd |
| 21:29.07 | hucksy | yep |
| 21:29.38 | zsoc | must be you :> |
| 21:30.04 | hucksy | nonono :P |
| 21:30.13 | hucksy | i'm not the only one |
| 21:35.42 | phil_bw | give them a break, this IRC client is 100 times better than the old ptpChat clients for PalmOS |
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| 21:41.50 | zsoc | phil_bw: and it was developed in 4 weeks by 2 people |
| 21:41.55 | zsoc | JayCanuck: fancy meetin' you here |
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| 21:42.08 | hucksy | nah, wirc rocks. just that weird problem... :) |
| 21:42.09 | halfhalo | goes on stabbing spree |
| 21:42.23 | phil_bw | yes, ptpChat took me years to write and still sucked |
| 21:43.16 | phil_bw | ptp2 was the only client available that would connect to multiple servers *and* run in the background. A feat not easily achieved on PalmOS |
| 21:44.36 | phil_bw | anyhow, I'd take wirc over my own client any day :) |
| 21:44.52 | hucksy | hehe |
| 21:45.02 | hucksy | pre is my first palm device |
| 21:48.02 | Jack87 | zsoc: stop poking zsoc_wirc... thats not nice! look what you did he left |
| 21:48.23 | zsoc | Jack87: pretty sure he fell off a cliff |
| 21:51.34 | Jack87 | zsoc: ouch! think he might be okay? |
| 21:52.50 | zsoc | probably |
| 21:53.12 | hucksy | nn |
| 21:59.04 | sbromwich | hucksy: grep -v ^\# /etc/dnsmasq.palm.conf | grep -v ^$ will point you to where the dns info goes |
| 21:59.38 | hucksy | oh, nice, tnx! |
| 21:59.46 | sbromwich | YAMW |
| 22:01.43 | phil_bw | ok, so I'm going to switch editors on my Pre, am I better off with vi or vim? |
| 22:01.54 | sbromwich | define "better" |
| 22:02.11 | phil_bw | better for use with the Pre's kb |
| 22:02.35 | sbromwich | they both use the same command set |
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| 22:02.48 | sbromwich | vim has a superset but for basic editing there's not much between them |
| 22:03.09 | sbromwich | I use joe myself |
| 22:03.48 | phil_bw | doesn't come on the Pre |
| 22:03.50 | en0x | ed ftw! |
| 22:04.22 | sbromwich | palm-webos-device /etc # ipkg-opt list | grep joe |
| 22:04.23 | sbromwich | joe - 3.6-1 - Joe's own editor. A text editor with wordstar-like and emacs-like keybindings. |
| 22:04.23 | sbromwich | palm-webos-device /etc # |
| 22:06.26 | phil_bw | which is easiest to start with? |
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| 22:06.53 | sbromwich | what editor are you used to using? |
| 22:07.02 | phil_bw | just nano |
| 22:07.14 | sbromwich | um |
| 22:07.19 | sbromwich | then I would recommend installing nano |
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| 22:07.31 | phil_bw | I have it |
| 22:07.55 | phil_bw | I want to switch to something that copies and pastes |
| 22:08.24 | oc80z | just use vi |
| 22:08.26 | en0x | use echo and sed ;) |
| 22:08.39 | sbromwich | well, the nice thing about joe is it uses wordstar keybindings by default, so CTRL-K B and CTRL-K K to mark a block of text are relatively easy |
| 22:08.58 | sbromwich | if you've never used wordstar they won't make a huge amount of sense to you |
| 22:09.08 | phil_bw | never have |
| 22:09.25 | phil_bw | and again, most editing is done *on pre* in the terminal |
| 22:09.47 | phil_bw | so I'm without the F keys, etc |
| 22:09.57 | sbromwich | then I would recommend trying all the editors from ipkg-opt list | grep editor and see which one works best for your workflow |
| 22:12.10 | uNiXpSyChO | sbromwich: you get your kernel compiled? |
| 22:12.35 | sbromwich | compiled, but I don't have the time to sit down and try getting it to boot |
| 22:13.20 | sbromwich | I have the whole compiled tree if you are in the mood to download it and give it a whirl yourself |
| 22:13.47 | uNiXpSyChO | you have the uImage? i can try that for you |
| 22:13.49 | sbromwich | http://www.fop.ns.ca/pre/linux_palm_rtpatch.tar.bz2 |
| 22:13.57 | sbromwich | sure, let me dig it out |
| 22:14.27 | uNiXpSyChO | i can boot it seperately incase it doesnt work :) |
| 22:15.40 | sbromwich | http://www.fop.ns.ca/pre/uImage |
| 22:16.04 | uNiXpSyChO | wow. its huge |
| 22:16.13 | sbromwich | want me to gzip it? |
| 22:16.35 | uNiXpSyChO | naw. i got it. gonna give it a whirl. |
| 22:16.49 | sbromwich | I just used the .config rwhitby sent me (which I think came for you) and enabled -rt |
| 22:16.58 | sbromwich | ^for^from |
| 22:17.17 | uNiXpSyChO | odd. i dont remember my builds being so big. |
| 22:17.36 | sbromwich | I make no promises that I built it correctly ;-) |
| 22:17.54 | sbromwich | I was in a rush trying to get it all done while I had some free time last night |
| 22:17.56 | uNiXpSyChO | well if you got a uImage it built something :) |
| 22:18.03 | sbromwich | that was my thought |
| 22:18.15 | sbromwich | I was trying to get the emulator going and just ran out of time |
| 22:19.58 | sbromwich | cd ~opis/patient_reg |
| 22:20.02 | sbromwich | sod |
| 22:20.17 | sbromwich | some day I will pay attention to what window I'm in before typing |
| 22:23.06 | zsoc | sbromwich: i'm updated/commited/pushed entire repos with the wrong info from the wrong shell |
| 22:23.39 | sbromwich | I've at least managed to avoid shutdown -r now in the wrong window |
| 22:23.54 | zsoc | sbromwich: i'm done that a few good times too, heh |
| 22:24.15 | sbromwich | I did once run killall httpd on solaris instead of the linux terminal I thought I was in, which led to quite some mirth and woe |
| 22:24.50 | uNiXpSyChO | sbromwich: well i can say i've never seen my phone not boot with a bad kernel :) |
| 22:25.24 | sbromwich | *grin* |
| 22:25.46 | sbromwich | who needs the phone functionality *anyway*. |
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| 22:26.06 | uNiXpSyChO | but this one hangs like i've never seen before. it usually just reboots. |
| 22:26.52 | sbromwich | do you get any output at all? |
| 22:27.12 | uNiXpSyChO | nope :( |
| 22:27.30 | sbromwich | OK I think I might know what that is then |
| 22:30.02 | sbromwich | I don't suppose there's any known way to get serial console? |
| 22:33.30 | loot- | enumerate usb :P |
| 22:33.53 | loot- | you could plug in a usb to serial device |
| 22:34.15 | sbromwich | hmm, good idea |
| 22:34.17 | loot- | palm might not be too happy about doing it though :P |
| 22:34.23 | sbromwich | I'll see if I can grab one tomorrow |
| 22:34.26 | sbromwich | *shrug* |
| 22:34.28 | sbromwich | it's my phone |
| 22:35.09 | loot- | ya at least they have a die hard fan base |
| 22:35.12 | zsoc | why would palm care? |
| 22:35.25 | zsoc | people need to stop assuming palm get's mad about things for no reason |
| 22:35.36 | loot- | because they intentionally try to make it so you cant just plug any old usb device into it |
| 22:35.48 | zsoc | what Palm /does/ get mad about is my constant bickering, which I probably won't stop |
| 22:35.58 | loot- | haha |
| 22:35.59 | zsoc | loot-: give an evidence of them intentionally trying to do that |
| 22:36.31 | zsoc | The current reason you can't "plug any old usb device into it" is a hardware limitation. |
| 22:36.33 | loot- | try using usb devices with it like |
| 22:37.00 | loot- | now you're going to make me dig it up and i have to leave in a minute haha |
| 22:37.10 | zsoc | haha n/m it's cool |
| 22:37.12 | zsoc | i'm just arguing |
| 22:37.25 | loot- | hardware is not the entire problem though |
| 22:38.00 | loot- | a stock palm kernel/userland wont do it i remember getting it to see a usb stick over a usb hub being a huge pain in the ass |
| 22:39.12 | loot- | it did work with some crappy powered mini usb hub though |
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| 22:40.33 | sbromwich | pre tries to draw an amp from dumb chargers |
| 22:43.59 | loot- | getting the usb to work broke a ton of must-have stuff |
| 22:44.31 | sbromwich | I'm stumped on the kernel compile, which worked fine yesterday; when I do make I get /lib/ld-linux.so.3: No such file or directory |
| 22:44.54 | sbromwich | I must have missed setting something with LIBPATH... anyone recognise that off-hand? |
| 22:46.19 | uNiXpSyChO | i dont know why it would want to see that lib |
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| 22:54.37 | Kamipulu | nova thingy isn't working when i try to run the preware |
| 22:56.30 | rwhitby | timothy1jones: are you using wosqi 3.02 or later to install preware and package manager service? |
| 22:57.24 | Kamipulu | i have no clue |
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| 23:02.58 | sbromwich | hmmm, I can't even get make menuconfig working... something's quite, quite awry |
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| 23:14.42 | sbromwich | ncurses just built quite happily so something must be cocked up in the kernel dir |
| 23:20.48 | sbromwich | NFI what happened but things seem to be trundling along more happily after make mrproper |
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| 23:28.52 | latta | so would I be able to mount my debian chroot (copied from the pre) on my linux desktop and compile software for it? or would the cpu architecture screw things up |
| 23:29.14 | zsoc | latta: the latter |
| 23:29.28 | latta | yeah thats why i need to get scratchbox going right? |
| 23:29.39 | sbromwich | that's the fnu I'm going through right now |
| 23:29.40 | zsoc | latta: you could create a cross compile environment however. options include WIDK (with scratchbox) or gentoo and crossdev |
| 23:29.46 | zsoc | WIDK is the most supported method by this channel. |
| 23:30.05 | zsoc | There are literally tens of popular methods of setting up CC environments tho |
| 23:30.23 | sbromwich | if not twenties |
| 23:30.33 | latta | yeah..one of those things i figured out as soon as i hit enter :) |
| 23:30.58 | zsoc | sbromwich: what are you, Egyptian? |
| 23:31.10 | sbromwich | polish |
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| 23:31.21 | zsoc | ... it was a number counting method jest... nevermind |
| 23:31.33 | zsoc | Shadowhawk: hello webchatter |
| 23:31.34 | sbromwich | I was expecting an rpn joke in return ;-) |
| 23:32.35 | sbromwich | lssrc -a | grep -i rsct |
| 23:32.44 | sbromwich | *sigh* |
| 23:33.13 | zsoc | haha |
| 23:33.41 | sbromwich | multihead widescreen is great... most of the time. |
| 23:33.44 | zsoc | Sometime's I'm amazed I can even manage to cross compile anything in any environment. |
| 23:34.06 | sbromwich | I have a suspicion the PIII I was using was a bit shonky |
| 23:34.42 | sbromwich | compiling again on an atom netbook without the rcu call I was dubious about, cross fingers it'll work now |
| 23:36.33 | zsoc | Testing unstable services on a production device is actually quite invigorating. |
| 23:37.24 | sbromwich | not in my world it isn't ;-) |
| 23:37.51 | sbromwich | happened this morning and took out patient registration for a bunch of hospitals, that's always brown trousers time |
| 23:43.54 | Shadowhawk | ? |
| 23:44.16 | sbromwich | ?? |
| 23:44.19 | rwhitby | Shadowhawk: hi |
| 23:44.20 | zsoc | ??? |
| 23:44.29 | sbromwich | ! |
| 23:44.44 | Shadowhawk | hmmmm....been a loooong time since I've been in IRC...thought maybe the ? would give me a list of commands or something. |
| 23:44.57 | rwhitby | Shadowhawk: use /help for that |
| 23:44.59 | sbromwich | try /help |
| 23:45.10 | rwhitby | Shadowhawk: can you get a linux command line on your Pre ? |
| 23:45.53 | Shadowhawk | Rwhitby'd suggested I should come here to debug a problem. Not sure how to go about that. Should I try to contact him directly via here? I don't even know whether that's possible or not. |
| 23:46.12 | rwhitby | Shadowhawk: I'm here |
| 23:47.16 | rwhitby | Shadowhawk: can you get a linux command line on your Pre ? |
| 23:48.13 | zsoc | rod take your invisible cloak off |
| 23:48.36 | rwhitby | Shadowhawk: can you get a linux command line on your Pre ? |
| 23:49.05 | sbromwich | I think his up arrow's working just fine, zsoc |
| 23:50.46 | zsoc | sbromwich: haha good one |
| 23:52.46 | timothy1jones | rwhitby, sorry, I stepped out. I just did boot strap process via novaterm |
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| 23:53.53 | rwhitby | timothy1jones: remind me what the problem is? |
| 23:55.16 | timothy1jones | rwhitby, I installed preware using boot strap and get Service Method Exception java.lang.NullPointerException undefined |
| 23:55.58 | timothy1jones | here is install process: http://pastebin.ca/1857310 |
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| 23:56.36 | timothy1jones | I think could be following related: http://pastebin.ca/1857319 |
| 23:56.55 | rwhitby | timothy1jones: for some reason those pastebin urls are not working for me |
| 23:57.00 | rwhitby | timothy1jones: can you use webos.pastebin.com ? |
| 23:57.21 | timothy1jones | rwhitby, sure. please hold on |
| 23:57.48 | sbromwich | from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Research_Pre_Boot_Process if I boot a kernel with cat uImage-kexecboot-2.6.24-r50-palmpre.bin | novaterm boot mem:// is that a one-shot deal or is it saved? |
| 23:58.05 | rwhitby | timothy1jones: since you're using the bootstrap script, we *will* be able to solve this. |
| 23:58.14 | rwhitby | sbromwich: one shot deal |
| 23:58.23 | timothy1jones | :) |
| 23:58.31 | sbromwich | ah, that sounds like just what I'm looking for, thanks |
| 23:58.42 | sbromwich | I shall be a good little doobie and update the page to clarify |
| 23:59.08 | timothy1jones | rwhitby, this is install proccess: http://webos.pastebin.com/EgzxKXFZ |
| 23:59.14 | timothy1jones | everything looks ok |