| 00:00.24 | sbromwich | also, tres helpful if one wants to spend the arvo down the pub instead of at the office |
| 00:00.25 | ka6sox-mobile | that's saying something |
| 00:00.26 | ka6sox-mobile | prefers red wine |
| 00:00.28 | Marajin | Man I've been kicked off a UK train, 40 miles from my destination and left clueless for 45 minutes before they went 'bomb scare, no train, find your own way home' |
| 00:00.37 | Marajin | damnit I didn't even get a replacement bus service |
| 00:00.37 | sbromwich | ytz knows what I'm saying. |
| 00:00.43 | ytz | Werd |
| 00:00.54 | ytz | He ain't kidding |
| 00:01.47 | sbromwich | has a $300 bar tab to proce it |
| 00:01.54 | sbromwich | s/proce/prove/ |
| 00:02.04 | Marajin | $300 ? what's that in real money? ;) |
| 00:02.05 | Marajin | heh :p |
| 00:02.07 | ytz | Well done! |
| 00:02.15 | Marajin | besides at over 3 quid a pint, it's easy done these days -.-. |
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| 00:02.39 | sbromwich | $300 in .us is errr.... $296? |
| 00:02.50 | sbromwich | oh I'm in .ca these days |
| 00:02.52 | Marajin | I said /real/ money ;) |
| 00:02.58 | sbromwich | heh |
| 00:03.06 | sbromwich | 120 quid or so |
| 00:03.16 | Marajin | 194 heh |
| 00:03.21 | sbromwich | close |
| 00:03.33 | Marajin | well that's only 55 pints |
| 00:03.36 | sbromwich | has enough overtime that money is not an issue |
| 00:03.45 | Marajin | less than a week's worth of drinking to me :p |
| 00:03.45 | Templarian | thinks monopoly money. |
| 00:03.50 | sbromwich | 25 pints + food |
| 00:03.53 | Marajin | Aussie money is monopoly money |
| 00:04.01 | sbromwich | and I bought a few pints for friends |
| 00:04.13 | Marajin | it's got windows in it.. |
| 00:04.17 | ytz | indeed |
| 00:05.00 | Marajin | I am quite proud of the intricacy of visible design on UK money. |
| 00:05.06 | sbromwich | was slightly dismayed to find the local "irish" pub had mushy peas in their curry and chips |
| 00:05.08 | Marajin | it's actually often 'pretty' |
| 00:05.08 | sbromwich | heh |
| 00:05.15 | Marajin | O.o |
| 00:05.25 | Marajin | peas in their curry? |
| 00:05.26 | Templarian | sbromwich: in the US they usually always do 12oz instead of a pint (16oz) |
| 00:05.33 | Marajin | who has curry and peas? |
| 00:05.38 | Marajin | and yeah, US pints are smaller :p |
| 00:05.43 | sbromwich | I gave up on going back to the uk about 10 years ago... too may people |
| 00:05.43 | Marajin | signicantly so |
| 00:05.45 | ytz | Dop: Everywhere I have managed to find curry and chips in town there's been soft peas I'm pretty siure |
| 00:05.48 | sbromwich | Templarian: that is a rip. |
| 00:05.55 | ytz | ^siure^sure |
| 00:06.23 | Marajin | bah |
| 00:06.34 | sbromwich | slightly scary that my son can pick out who's playing next on groove salad before I can |
| 00:06.45 | Marajin | get yerselves back over here, I'll treat you to pudding, peas, chips and gravy! |
| 00:06.55 | sbromwich | mushy peas = teh suq |
| 00:07.01 | sbromwich | heh |
| 00:07.03 | Marajin | a mixture in which peas IS acceptable |
| 00:07.14 | sbromwich | has made the decision not to return to the uk... evah |
| 00:07.39 | sbromwich | I can buyt marmite and decent whisky and beer locally... why go back? |
| 00:07.43 | sbromwich | too many pipples |
| 00:08.03 | Marajin | I think we made marmite illegal over here on grounds of inhumane torture :p |
| 00:08.18 | sbromwich | sprog is singing along to emiliana torrini |
| 00:08.30 | sbromwich | marmite = my mate |
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| 00:08.46 | Marajin | I'm one of those who naturally cannot stand marmite :P |
| 00:09.04 | Marajin | but hey we agree on whisky so it's ok to disagree on marmite |
| 00:09.10 | sbromwich | ihatemarmite.com? ;-) |
| 00:09.41 | Templarian | never had it. |
| 00:09.43 | Marajin | I don't go out of my way to hate it |
| 00:09.50 | Marajin | I just hate it from a distance :P |
| 00:09.57 | ytz | <-- Canuck and I dig the marmite. |
| 00:10.04 | sbromwich | *heart* marmite |
| 00:10.12 | sbromwich | sprog loves it in gravy |
| 00:10.12 | ytz | That stuff is the bomb. |
| 00:10.13 | Marajin | Templarian: well their advertising campaign is centered around 'it's either a love or a hate thing' |
| 00:10.36 | Templarian | Is it like the vegimite of Europe? |
| 00:10.38 | Marajin | Templarian: which is quite true.. barely anyone is neutral about marmite.. they like it or loathe it but never really come out as 'eh..' |
| 00:10.42 | sbromwich | vegemite is *not* equivalent no matter what the aussies say |
| 00:10.43 | Marajin | Templarian: very very similar yes |
| 00:11.00 | sbromwich | yeah, I was hoping to get that in before the .au contingent Templarian ;-) |
| 00:11.01 | ytz | lol I have had both and I agree w/ sbromwich |
| 00:11.16 | Templarian | is US, and has had neither. |
| 00:11.43 | sbromwich | Templarian: try them for your b12 requirements before you judge :-) |
| 00:11.44 | ytz | Isn't marmite a by-product of brewing beer? While vegemite is a by-product of like... vegetables. |
| 00:11.55 | sbromwich | yu |
| 00:11.56 | sbromwich | p |
| 00:12.00 | ytz | Mmm |
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| 00:12.05 | Marajin | Ya know I can't have a cig at the moment without still laughing at the fact that an american cigarette is being marketed purely in the UK under the official reasoning that 'the US and other nations would not appreciate the subtle flavour' |
| 00:12.06 | sbromwich | burton's, I think |
| 00:12.15 | ytz | And Bovril (sp) is a by-product of COW. |
| 00:12.38 | Marajin | ye gods.. Bovril |
| 00:12.44 | Templarian | Today is the first day that cigarettes are banned in bars. |
| 00:13.02 | Marajin | yes! no smoking in pubs/bars! |
| 00:13.05 | Templarian | (Michigan, USA) |
| 00:13.05 | Marajin | and soon, no drinking! |
| 00:13.10 | sbromwich | orly Templarian? |
| 00:13.14 | sbromwich | what country? |
| 00:13.16 | sdodson | It's that way in Raleigh, NC. It's nice. |
| 00:13.19 | Templarian | USA |
| 00:13.24 | brikus | its all the rage in the US right now |
| 00:13.25 | sbromwich | bliminy |
| 00:13.36 | Marajin | it's been law in the Uk for a coupla years now I think |
| 00:13.42 | Marajin | but it started in CA didn't it? |
| 00:13.45 | sbromwich | I gave up in... 2004? because it was screwing with my bike riding |
| 00:13.58 | sbromwich | 2006 or so it was banned in .ns.ca |
| 00:14.00 | Marajin | I'm a full time geek, I don't need lungs |
| 00:14.01 | sbromwich | *timing* |
| 00:14.07 | Templarian | Yea, my friend smokes these http://www.blucigs.com/ it charges from a USB port also. |
| 00:14.11 | sbromwich | tobacco, anyway |
| 00:14.17 | Marajin | heh |
| 00:14.19 | Marajin | e-cigs |
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| 00:14.21 | Templarian | He can still smoke them in bars. |
| 00:14.35 | Marajin | a light up dummy cig with nicotine cartridges and steam |
| 00:14.46 | ytz | nice |
| 00:14.52 | sbromwich | has a friend who has a license to smoke marijuana... pisses the hell out of bar owners. |
| 00:14.55 | Marajin | Handy for the nicotine fix and physical habit but flavour? |
| 00:15.14 | sbromwich | ytz did fox smoke in bars last time he was here? |
| 00:15.25 | Templarian | Marajin: nah it's just like the real thing but healthier for lungs. he's still addicted. |
| 00:15.46 | Marajin | Templarian: how can it be? they don't contain anything else last I checked |
| 00:15.55 | Templarian | I'm not a smoker (other than the other stuff), so figure it's better than reg cigs. |
| 00:16.03 | brikus | lol |
| 00:16.08 | brikus | other than the other stuff |
| 00:16.15 | sbromwich | Templarian: willy nelson says so so it must be true. |
| 00:16.15 | Templarian | Marajin: they come in flavors. |
| 00:16.24 | Marajin | I still say that basing cancer off smoking is a misleading statistic |
| 00:16.39 | ytz | sbromwich: I'm not sure, to be honest. I don't think so. |
| 00:16.47 | Marajin | I had a neighbour who was 81, smoked 40 a day from 15 and was cancer free.. |
| 00:16.54 | sbromwich | Marajin: inhaling burning material of any kind can't be good... |
| 00:16.56 | Marajin | 'cept he died on wednesday of cancer =/ |
| 00:17.16 | brikus | the singluar of data is not anecdote |
| 00:17.22 | sbromwich | exactement |
| 00:17.54 | Marajin | Still it was incredibly common in most of the generations we're basing the stats off, so naturally many cancer patients were smokers |
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| 00:18.16 | Marajin | obesity is still a far bigger killer IIRC |
| 00:18.24 | brikus | you don't have to be a scientist to figure out that cig smoke is bad for you |
| 00:18.27 | sbromwich | yeah, trying to find a differential is a bugger on that |
| 00:18.31 | sbromwich | Marajin++ |
| 00:18.41 | Marajin | hah, not saying it's good for you by any means |
| 00:18.48 | Marajin | I actually don't doubt it's carnigenic |
| 00:18.52 | Templarian | A fat smoker? |
| 00:18.59 | Marajin | but I suspect it's also genetically linked |
| 00:19.01 | sbromwich | brb, my whisky has evaporated again |
| 00:19.08 | Marajin | Some people just don't get it |
| 00:19.13 | Templarian | That is a high proof. |
| 00:19.19 | Marajin | despite chainsmoking their whole lives |
| 00:19.26 | brikus | did you say high? |
| 00:20.08 | Marajin | problem with smoking <-> cancern incidence stats is that there's a bunch of other environmental factors |
| 00:20.13 | Marajin | *cancer |
| 00:20.20 | Templarian | If his whiskey is evaporating it would have ot be. |
| 00:20.24 | Templarian | to* |
| 00:20.45 | uNiXpSyChO | has Scotch this time around |
| 00:21.20 | Templarian | doesn't like scotch... that difference is enough. |
| 00:21.50 | Marajin | Frankly though, my main defense to anti-smoking and drinking sentiments are 'breathing'll kill you sooner or later, may as well enjoy life while you have it anyway' |
| 00:21.57 | uNiXpSyChO | now lighting up a Cohiba |
| 00:22.10 | Marajin | uNiXpSyChO: Siglo? |
| 00:22.41 | Templarian | Actually most the smokers are for the ban, which is funny. At least all the people I talked to. |
| 00:22.55 | Marajin | well it actually does more for smoker's social lives than enough |
| 00:23.06 | uNiXpSyChO | Marajin: Robusto |
| 00:23.15 | Marajin | since they end up meeting their dating demographic outside with something in common to talk about |
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| 00:23.55 | Marajin | uNiXpSyChO: I'm a fan of the siglo VI myself, but most all of cohiba's line is nommy |
| 00:24.11 | Marajin | they used to sell cohiba ciggies here.. man those were tasty little buggers |
| 00:24.54 | Marajin | and probably healthier as they were pure, lower tar and filtered.. |
| 00:24.55 | uNiXpSyChO | Marajin: i smoke Cohiba's rarely... my everyday cigar is LaGloria Cubana. |
| 00:25.29 | Marajin | uNiXpSyChO: ever tried djarum cigarillos? :> |
| 00:25.31 | uNiXpSyChO | i would love some Comancho Triple Maduro's but can never find any. |
| 00:26.22 | Marajin | kreteks are a wonderful thing |
| 00:26.31 | uNiXpSyChO | Marajin: hmm. i dont think i have. i do smoke cigarillos during lunch sometimes but they are also usually Cohiba or LaGloria's in a much smaller ring size. |
| 00:26.44 | Marajin | lung destroyers, tasty as hell and numbing effect so painless while they do so |
| 00:27.15 | Marajin | Plus the cigarillos have a random chance to cause 2" sparks to fly out the end |
| 00:27.22 | Marajin | which is great fun |
| 00:27.33 | Marajin | especially if the person smoking them is new to 'em |
| 00:27.47 | uNiXpSyChO | cigarettes destroy lungs... cigars destroy lungs with style. |
| 00:28.10 | sbromwich | is pro smoking ban but not against a decent cigar since at least they smell nice |
| 00:28.12 | uNiXpSyChO | oh yes... the coughing from a newbie cigar smoker |
| 00:28.24 | sbromwich | heh |
| 00:28.43 | sbromwich | can draw a fun lungfull despite cycling ~10k/year |
| 00:28.51 | sbromwich | s/fun/full/ |
| 00:28.53 | uNiXpSyChO | sbromwich: i actually cant stand the smell of a cigarette. but cigars are fine to me. |
| 00:28.59 | sbromwich | although fun might not be wrong... |
| 00:29.06 | sbromwich | *nod* |
| 00:29.12 | Marajin | cigarettes smell nothing like cigars honestly |
| 00:29.19 | Marajin | so that's perfectly normal |
| 00:29.24 | uNiXpSyChO | *nod* |
| 00:29.29 | sbromwich | or pipe smokers |
| 00:29.31 | Marajin | apart from the cohiba ones |
| 00:29.36 | Marajin | which are just very very small cigars |
| 00:29.39 | Marajin | and smell gorgeous |
| 00:29.53 | sbromwich | or the indian ones, the name of which escaoe me |
| 00:30.03 | sbromwich | ytz, what did ghoeti pick up? |
| 00:30.05 | Templarian | http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6349/iwanttobelieveevo.jpg < friend just made this. |
| 00:30.19 | Marajin | basically it's the difference between heavily processed chemically mibbled tobacco and.. tobacco |
| 00:30.26 | ytz | sbromwich: I'm not sure |
| 00:30.42 | sbromwich | some kinda of indian "cigarette" |
| 00:30.54 | ytz | djarums? |
| 00:31.02 | ytz | er |
| 00:31.04 | Marajin | djarums are indonesian |
| 00:31.11 | sbromwich | that's the one (or close enough) |
| 00:31.18 | ytz | Has an "I" in it anyway... |
| 00:31.21 | uNiXpSyChO | i had an indien cigar...gave me a headache for some reason |
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| 00:31.54 | Marajin | If I had the time to spare I'd prolly stick to cigars/cigarillos |
| 00:31.55 | sbromwich | bikes too much to smoke cigarettes too much any more, but the odd cigar... |
| 00:32.19 | sbromwich | pantheras are nice |
| 00:32.47 | ytz | I like those |
| 00:32.51 | uNiXpSyChO | i despise Punch and CAO |
| 00:32.56 | nebula | hmm |
| 00:33.03 | nebula | time zones are weird |
| 00:33.22 | sbromwich | uNiXpSyChO: I could hook you up with pantheras given sufficient incentive and time |
| 00:33.39 | uNiXpSyChO | heh |
| 00:34.08 | uNiXpSyChO | whats wrong nebula? you are like 20 miles from me? cant be that bad of a time zone problem? |
| 00:34.39 | sbromwich | time zones *rock* if you work them right |
| 00:35.06 | ytz | I work in at least 3 of them every day |
| 00:35.17 | ytz | Sometimes 5. |
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| 00:35.52 | nebula | uNiXpSyChO: just landed in sacramento from boston :) |
| 00:36.27 | uNiXpSyChO | nebula: they 1st day its not freezing and you leave Boston??? |
| 00:36.56 | nebula | HAHA |
| 00:36.59 | nebula | no kidding |
| 00:37.06 | nebula | though it is the same weather here right now |
| 00:37.11 | sbromwich | supposed to be 24C in .hfx.ca on monday |
| 00:37.17 | nebula | it's just... 3 hours ago for me |
| 00:37.30 | ytz | Monday is gonna rock a little |
| 00:37.50 | sbromwich | monday + rock != rock |
| 00:37.52 | nebula | the rocky mountains are FREAKIN awesome |
| 00:38.02 | nebula | it's like... mountains everywhere |
| 00:38.13 | ytz | That is some cool sights |
| 00:38.55 | nebula | got TONS of pictures with my nikon d70s |
| 00:39.06 | ytz | sweet |
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| 00:40.05 | uNiXpSyChO | nebula: when i left Boston for the 1st time i saw mountains and trees and thought i was in a diff country. but i was just outside the city. |
| 00:40.18 | sbromwich | reminds me of brainshare 2k ;-) |
| 00:40.25 | nebula | dude.. these mountains make the berkshires look like hills |
| 00:40.32 | sbromwich | looking out to motel window and just seeing... mountains |
| 00:40.51 | uNiXpSyChO | nebula: lol! |
| 00:40.58 | ytz | rock |
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| 00:41.20 | nebula | great blue hill is literally just that. |
| 00:41.47 | uNiXpSyChO | bule hill is a freak of nature... |
| 00:41.49 | sbromwich | ytz: did you even go to boston + julio's? |
| 00:41.56 | sbromwich | s/even/ever/ |
| 00:42.16 | Marajin | well I think I better head bedward |
| 00:42.43 | sbromwich | Marajin: it is that time in .uk |
| 00:42.50 | ytz | sbromwich: negative, ghost rider |
| 00:42.52 | sbromwich | night :-) |
| 00:43.06 | sbromwich | ytz: you are teh worst for it |
| 00:43.15 | sbromwich | ytz: you must abuse your passport for itr |
| 00:43.15 | ytz | lol |
| 00:43.34 | ytz | Oh my |
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| 00:43.49 | ytz | I may very well eventually see to it |
| 00:45.20 | sbromwich | you must visit. |
| 00:45.28 | sbromwich | at some time in you rlife. |
| 00:45.36 | sbromwich | if only to make your pants tighten. |
| 00:45.46 | ytz | :) |
| 00:45.47 | Marajin | sbromwich: 1:45am now yeah |
| 00:46.10 | sbromwich | fortunately only 21:45 here ;-) |
| 00:46.26 | Marajin | Serves you right for defecting to the enemy |
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| 00:46.51 | ytz | Hey the Queen is still on our money |
| 00:47.13 | sbromwich | means I'm closer to .sf.ca :-) |
| 00:47.19 | sbromwich | brb |
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| 00:52.51 | sbromwich | damn, need to pick up more whisky |
| 00:53.10 | sbromwich | down to glenfarclas |
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| 00:55.10 | ytz | oh swizz |
| 00:56.56 | sbromwich | plus del swizz |
| 00:57.24 | sbromwich | and I have the boy till wed so I might be falling back on the drags of absolut in the freezer |
| 00:57.32 | sbromwich | s/drags/dregs/ |
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| 00:57.51 | ytz | I love Absolut when it's been in the freezer for a looooooong time. |
| 00:58.06 | sbromwich | it's been in the freezer for about 2 years |
| 00:58.10 | ytz | bam |
| 00:58.27 | sbromwich | jenn picked it up and forgot about it |
| 00:58.34 | ytz | lol |
| 00:58.51 | sbromwich | there's about a 1/4 of a bottle in there |
| 00:59.16 | ytz | That's kind of grim |
| 01:00.02 | ytz | ...the wrong end of the capacity guage. |
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| 01:00.17 | sbromwich | yeah but she drank 3/4 bottle in one go |
| 01:00.26 | ytz | wild! |
| 01:00.42 | sbromwich | if only I weren't so honourable... |
| 01:01.31 | ytz | To a fault, huh :) |
| 01:01.59 | sbromwich | well, that plus I didn't have any condoms to hand |
| 01:02.05 | sbromwich | *cough* |
| 01:02.08 | ytz | gaaaaanked |
| 01:02.13 | sbromwich | mmm |
| 01:02.24 | sbromwich | ss ftw |
| 01:02.30 | ytz | We learned a lesson though |
| 01:02.41 | sbromwich | "always be prepared"? |
| 01:02.49 | ytz | That'sthe stuff |
| 01:02.58 | sbromwich | *nod* |
| 01:03.20 | sbromwich | to being it back on topic... that's what's needed for palm prcm |
| 01:03.48 | ytz | 1/4 bottle of absolut? |
| 01:04.04 | ytz | or a condom |
| 01:04.17 | sbromwich | yeah, perhaps I should add that to kernel commentary as an... "aid" |
| 01:04.32 | ytz | glahaha |
| 01:05.01 | sbromwich | mason:mach-omap3pe grep -B1 seasoning *c |
| 01:05.02 | sbromwich | prcm_pwr.c- // If this doesn't make the system wait for at least 2 system |
| 01:05.04 | sbromwich | prcm_pwr.c: // clock cycles I will eat my pants with seasoning. |
| 01:05.06 | sbromwich | mason:mach-omap3pe |
| 01:05.18 | sbromwich | comme ca |
| 01:05.27 | ytz | What would you season the pants with? |
| 01:05.50 | sbromwich | I was thinking assreaper |
| 01:06.10 | ytz | lol |
| 01:06.36 | sbromwich | cos if it's seasoned with assreaper... you ain't tasting nothing else ;-) |
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| 01:06.59 | ytz | Proper |
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| 01:07.58 | sbromwich | brb |
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| 01:40.04 | rwhitby | morning |
| 01:41.13 | sbromwich | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.34 | sbromwich | has been good & not commit while !sober |
| 01:42.23 | ytz | attaboi |
| 01:42.47 | sbromwich | works hard at not corrupting lusers' kernels |
| 01:42.52 | rwhitby | anything happen overnight ? |
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| 01:43.11 | sbromwich | rwhitby: much dicussion of whisky |
| 01:44.08 | rwhitby | loves the power-wiggle-wiggle official term from cdm |
| 01:44.15 | sbromwich | heh |
| 01:44.50 | sbromwich | has a moment of cognitive dissonance with comp.wtf? |
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| 01:46.02 | Spyral | oh, hey. rwhitby. I was thinking about redoing the icon for Save/Restore. Would I hurt anyone's feelings if I did so and submitted it to you as a possible replacement? |
| 01:49.57 | Chriswebos | rwhitby: can I add my app to the webos-internals feed? |
| 01:54.13 | rwhitby | Spyral: put it up on the icons page, and we'll see what the community thinks of it. |
| 01:54.27 | rwhitby | Chriswebos: sure, is it open source? |
| 01:54.50 | Chriswebos | no, it's not...would that be a problem? |
| 01:56.00 | rwhitby | Chriswebos: it would - we pretty much have a requirement for material to be open source in the webos-internals feed. |
| 01:56.09 | rwhitby | Chriswebos: have you tried the PreCentral feed? |
| 01:56.10 | sbromwich | wonders why anyone would put up an aribtrary random number as anything other than freeware |
| 01:56.39 | Chriswebos | several times....well, asked for developer access...but haven't been granted it for some reason |
| 01:56.55 | jhowirc | wow.wth with the peeps on precentral? |
| 01:57.24 | rwhitby | jhowirc: tell me about it |
| 01:57.38 | Spyral | rwhitby:do you have a master icon for the penguin? I'm having a hard time finding the exact same one |
| 01:57.39 | Chriswebos | heard dieter is busy |
| 01:57.56 | rwhitby | Spyral: Templarian is our icon guru |
| 01:58.24 | Spyral | hm |
| 01:58.25 | jhowirc | rwithby that's some serious angst... |
| 01:58.27 | Templarian | frowns. |
| 01:58.37 | Spyral | hey you are awake |
| 01:58.54 | Templarian | Uploading it |
| 01:59.02 | Templarian | (it's actually custom made by another member) |
| 01:59.16 | zsoc | preoccupied: so i finally came up with the work around. it was option 6 on my list of ugly ridiculous ways of fixing this. |
| 01:59.35 | Templarian | Spyral: http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6426/tuxicons.png |
| 01:59.46 | zsoc | preoccupied: a side effect is it robustified the method of stop in general, and also set up the framework for playback in the app |
| 02:00.09 | Chriswebos | rwhitby: is it still okay if I use the ipkg-make-index tool to make a package for my feed? |
| 02:00.21 | Spyral | woo! thanks! |
| 02:00.59 | Templarian | np |
| 02:01.36 | Templarian | If you need the eyes different I have the sources. |
| 02:02.35 | halfhalo | projects, while they may not be open source, will gladly give out the code to other developers if it will help them. Or of someone just wants to see it for kicks. |
| 02:03.04 | Spyral | i shouldn't need them. I'm not straying far from the original icon design |
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| 02:03.45 | halfhalo | is also open sourcing any app that he wrote that is not in the paid catalog |
| 02:05.02 | sbromwich | defaults to gpl out of pure laziness |
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| 02:05.57 | halfhalo | is also working his way through a semesters worth of logic homework in a day. While sitting on a stool since his chair is broken. AGAIN. In a room that is 90F degrees since the desktop had to be on for some of the work. |
| 02:06.35 | sbromwich | *golf clap* |
| 02:07.09 | halfhalo | lol |
| 02:07.51 | halfhalo | holycrap. theres like 17 sentences for this problem |
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| 02:09.02 | rwhitby | Chriswebos: absolutely - we publish all our stuff for others to use. And using the GPL ipkg-make-index tool to create an index for your closed source package is well within the rights given to you by the GPL license. |
| 02:10.27 | Chriswebos | cool...is there a place to learn what the options mean? I'm not sure if I'm packaging it correctly...actually, I know I'm not doing it right because it doesn't output to a Packages file.. I have to vi my own file and copy the output from ipkg-make-index into it |
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| 02:10.46 | halfhalo | pipe it to a file |
| 02:11.19 | Chriswebos | oh, so that's not one of the options? it does create a Packages.stamp file |
| 02:11.50 | halfhalo | No idea if its an option, thats just what I would do |
| 02:12.37 | halfhalo | now, if you will excuse me for a second, I'm going to get the hose to spray these kids riding their bikes up and down my street⦠and then onto my lawn to turn around. |
| 02:12.48 | preoccupied | zsoc: sounds great! so it won't open a new window to play recordings |
| 02:12.49 | preoccupied | ? |
| 02:13.32 | zsoc | preoccupied: oh, well i haven't gotten there yet, but I /can/ |
| 02:13.53 | zsoc | preoccupied: i kinda like the way it does it now, opening in the streaming app makes your recording it's own entity, and it's less laggy |
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| 02:14.26 | preoccupied | zsoc: yeah, and it's less work to code as well. Cuz you'll have to probably make a progress bar, a playback counter, etc |
| 02:14.53 | rwhitby | Chriswebos: I'm not sure what documentation there is for that script - it comes from the Zaurus line of projects at least 10 years ago. It's python or bourne shell source code, so you can take a look inside to see. |
| 02:15.05 | zsoc | preoccupied: pretty much yes |
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| 02:16.16 | Chriswebos | cool...I guess the mai thing is to be able to produce a timestamp...for some reason my feed conflicts with the cpuscaler feed |
| 02:16.42 | preoccupied | zsoc: so, one step closer to a public release? :) |
| 02:17.27 | zsoc | preoccupied: yeah, what i thought was going to take 2 hours took 4 days, lol. now i have to implement my ridiculous work around into the gui, and then just the icon and the support scene |
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| 02:19.20 | sbromwich | zsoc: sleep ftw |
| 02:19.41 | zsoc | sbromwich: bah, for the weak |
| 02:20.01 | halfhalo | I sleep when I'm dead |
| 02:22.14 | sbromwich | zsoc: you say that when you're young... |
| 02:22.41 | Templarian | Sleep isn't that useful. You only need 5hours a day to function. |
| 02:22.50 | sbromwich | me just took a week's stress leave to catch up on sleep |
| 02:23.10 | sbromwich | Templarian: try that when you sleep is interrupted every ~3 hours |
| 02:23.43 | Templarian | Ignore it, it's not going to remember. |
| 02:23.44 | halfhalo | Hah |
| 02:24.36 | sbromwich | Templarian: tell the patients on the operating table that |
| 02:25.06 | sbromwich | has yet to see more mission critical than that |
| 02:25.12 | Templarian | sbromwich: wait I thought you were talking about a baby. |
| 02:25.30 | halfhalo | Their asleep, they won't care as long as you bring em back a beer |
| 02:25.47 | halfhalo | Well, Except those that do |
| 02:25.52 | halfhalo | Like all of them |
| 02:26.28 | sbromwich | Templarian: best example was from one of my junior sysadmins: "I have a server down, I have a patient with a (medical term) and a probe into their heart, if this isn't fixed within 30 minutes their drugs stop and they will die, please fix asap" |
| 02:27.03 | sbromwich | such is the joy of healthcare. |
| 02:27.17 | halfhalo | hah |
| 02:27.31 | halfhalo | "But its windows! It will never stay up!" |
| 02:27.57 | sbromwich | no, it's aix |
| 02:28.02 | Templarian | sbromwich: how is the medical equipment that bad. |
| 02:28.08 | sbromwich | the *clients* are windows though |
| 02:28.10 | VincentLaw | didn't that happen on Grey's Anatomy once? |
| 02:28.20 | sbromwich | Templarian: microsoft ftl |
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| 02:28.39 | sbromwich | VincentLaw: dunno, I don't have cable |
| 02:28.45 | Templarian | sbromwich: FTW, their embedded systems are very stable. |
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| 02:28.51 | VincentLaw | some girl fixed it, supposedly the problem was a wire was plugged in upside down? I'm not sure how that's possible considering the computer was on for half the operation? |
| 02:28.51 | halfhalo | yeah..... |
| 02:29.10 | sbromwich | Templarian: not if they depend on windows as the client os |
| 02:29.23 | halfhalo | "Oh crap⦠I left a flash drive in their lungâ¦." |
| 02:29.45 | sbromwich | VincentLaw: in this case it turned out to be the windows antivirus freezing a (nominally network isolated) machine from picking up updates |
| 02:30.03 | halfhalo | I blame mcAfee |
| 02:30.05 | VincentLaw | hah |
| 02:30.07 | sbromwich | norton |
| 02:30.08 | Templarian | lol |
| 02:30.18 | halfhalo | was close to egging their building during devdays |
| 02:30.26 | sbromwich | although ultimatly... microsoft |
| 02:30.39 | sbromwich | if the fuckers would only run unix on their client workstations... |
| 02:30.46 | sbromwich | is not bitter. |
| 02:31.22 | Templarian | Nicely made .net applications should always run flawlessly and smooth. Bad programming happens on all OSs. |
| 02:31.29 | halfhalo | now, see if it was macâ¦. then nothing would work since it would only allow apple approved people to connect |
| 02:31.52 | VincentLaw | #1 reason computers fail: users |
| 02:32.00 | Templarian | But if apple can sell said patient a product afterwards they might have an insentive. |
| 02:32.23 | halfhalo | #2 reason: Someone pissed me off. Wait, thats still part of #1 |
| 02:32.58 | sbromwich | no, it was NAV trying to do a connect from a network isolated machine |
| 02:34.51 | sbromwich | sadly, my recommendation that all OR machines should be running !windows was not approved |
| 02:36.05 | zsoc | sbromwich: make it again |
| 02:37.31 | sbromwich | zsoc: my next recommendation is going to be to use policy enforcement for a screensaver with demo of hand cultures to enforce handwashing |
| 02:38.24 | sbromwich | cf superfreakonomics |
| 02:39.57 | ytz | boosh |
| 02:41.04 | sbromwich | mmm |
| 02:41.48 | sbromwich | applies hydrous emollient for great justice |
| 02:42.35 | ytz | take off every zig |
| 02:42.54 | sbromwich | ziggah ziggah |
| 02:43.06 | sbromwich | scary how quick that stuff sinks in |
| 02:43.12 | ytz | heheh |
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| 03:01.23 | Spyral | okay. I need critique before I up it to the community page |
| 03:01.29 | Spyral | http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/1563/icontest.png |
| 03:02.50 | rwhitby | Spyral: not bad |
| 03:02.59 | Spyral | recommendations? |
| 03:03.14 | rwhitby | Spyral: but I have poor judgement when it comes to asthetics, so I'll leave it up to others to form a consensus on the matter :) |
| 03:03.22 | Spyral | lol |
| 03:03.51 | Spyral | pokes Templarian |
| 03:05.22 | Templarian | stabs Spyral |
| 03:05.31 | oil | oh |
| 03:05.32 | rwhitby | Dieter has just weighed in on the smoking SPK thread. |
| 03:05.38 | Spyral | ow |
| 03:05.43 | Spyral | hey oil! |
| 03:05.44 | uNiXpSyChO | spill it |
| 03:06.20 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/243857-new-super-pre-kernel-app-smokin-7.html#post2417338 |
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| 03:06.48 | oil | wtf random disconnection |
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| 03:07.34 | Spyral | grr. stupid client |
| 03:07.45 | uNiXpSyChO | Dieter needs to drop a nuke ;-) |
| 03:10.03 | Tibfib | just realized the superprekernel prekernel spat started at page 2... not 5. |
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| 03:16.38 | Spyral | may I ask what the worm icon is for on the icons page? |
| 03:18.32 | oil | its for worms, i would assume |
| 03:19.24 | Spyral | ooo, I haven't seen such a game in the feeds yet |
| 03:21.14 | rwhitby | Tibfib: interesting reading? ;) |
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| 03:21.26 | Spyral | sigh. I need a new laptop |
| 03:22.37 | Tibfib | rwhitby: definitely interesting |
| 03:32.08 | Templarian | sorry Spyral got distracted earlier, looks good. :) |
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| 03:32.15 | Spyral | lol. it's okay |
| 03:32.43 | Spyral | I tweaked it a smidge. made tux smaller, and moved the disk a little further from the edge |
| 03:33.03 | Templarian | Always leave 3px minimum margin. |
| 03:34.09 | Spyral | tux is exactly 3 px from the edges. the disk is also 3, including the drop shadow |
| 03:34.23 | Templarian | :) |
| 03:34.46 | Spyral | now...uh...might someone explain how I upload it to the icons page for the community to ravage it? |
| 03:35.10 | Templarian | You have to login to do uploads. |
| 03:35.19 | Templarian | Then you have to follow the naming convention. |
| 03:35.38 | Templarian | Better yet link me to the page and the image and I'll do it. |
| 03:36.15 | Spyral | I notice the convention, but it's not the official icon (yet). |
| 03:36.18 | Spyral | okay |
| 03:36.43 | Spyral | lemme just test the last edit on my pre |
| 03:37.02 | rwhitby | is finally up to date on forum, email and tweets for today. |
| 03:37.21 | bpadalino | you're a hard worker rwhitby |
| 03:37.32 | Templarian | rwhitby: how many @webosinternals do you get a day? |
| 03:37.38 | rwhitby | bpadalino: I spent most of the morning at my son's soccer match - they won 7-2 :) |
| 03:37.47 | bpadalino | congrats! |
| 03:37.52 | bpadalino | did you go out and celebrate afterwards? |
| 03:38.12 | rwhitby | bpadalino: took them to eat fast food :) |
| 03:38.25 | bpadalino | hehe |
| 03:38.40 | rwhitby | Templarian: dunno. doesn't seem to be a great amount |
| 03:43.17 | bpadalino | 1100 tweets for rod as webosinternals .. not quite 1 year, either |
| 03:43.35 | bpadalino | you have any big 1 year anniversary celebration plans ? |
| 03:43.47 | Spyral | Preware v1? lol |
| 03:43.56 | Templarian | lol |
| 03:44.11 | zsoc | preoccupied: getting closer :P definitely going to have a 0.5.9 release in alpha still |
| 03:44.15 | bpadalino | rwhitby: did you notice hp official news has followed you on twitter ? |
| 03:44.39 | halfhalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.58 | Templarian | Very nice. |
| 03:45.26 | Spyral | I think I only have a bunch of amateur webcam girls following me |
| 03:45.45 | halfhalo | I had pcworld following me at one point. Dunno if they still are |
| 03:46.40 | Templarian | I get Palm to link to my webos blog I count it as a win. Now if I could get a large company that would be nice. |
| 03:47.51 | rwhitby | bpadalino: I'm following them, I was not aware that they are following me. Are you sure? |
| 03:48.01 | bpadalino | hrm, let me see |
| 03:48.19 | bpadalino | ah, maybe i had it backwards |
| 03:48.59 | bpadalino | sorry |
| 03:49.04 | bpadalino | i had it backwards, but can't see who is following you without logging in i guess |
| 03:49.44 | halfhalo | hmmm |
| 03:49.52 | halfhalo | I have two AMD people following me |
| 03:50.17 | preoccupied | zsoc: alright, that's fine |
| 03:50.45 | zsoc | preoccupied: there's a lot more processing and error checking |
| 03:51.05 | Tibfib | checking @palm's favorited tweets is interesting |
| 03:51.20 | zsoc | preoccupied: the 'recording stopped' message doesn't actually return until /everything/ is done, so there's a slightly longer lag on "saving.. please wait" on every recording, but it should fix all of the hanging issues |
| 03:51.28 | preoccupied | zsoc: oh, yeah. that's stuff's important |
| 03:51.43 | Spyral | Templarian: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7268/iconwebosinternalssaver.png |
| 03:52.02 | Spyral | I tried formatting it for you, but imageshack butchered the underscores :( |
| 03:52.24 | bpadalino | he's hiding behind a very large disk |
| 03:52.42 | rwhitby | bpadalino: must be the perspective :) |
| 03:52.47 | preoccupied | zsoc: as long as it works reasonably well :) |
| 03:52.50 | rwhitby | he's just a long way away |
| 03:52.56 | bpadalino | quite possibly |
| 03:53.23 | bpadalino | maybe he should be holding a floppy disk or other type of media |
| 03:53.26 | preoccupied | zsoc: let me know if there's anyway I can help |
| 03:54.19 | Spyral | he could be |
| 03:54.34 | zsoc | preoccupied: this is helping lol |
| 03:54.50 | zsoc | the "Works reasonably well" part is what i'm trying to fix before 0.5.9.. not quite there yet |
| 03:55.04 | Spyral | Save/Restore is a large accomplishment. The disk mirrors that :) |
| 03:55.09 | bpadalino | hehe |
| 03:55.11 | bpadalino | good call |
| 03:57.04 | preoccupied | zsoc: lol alright. and if you think of anything that should be added to the wiki, i'd happy to do that as well |
| 03:57.16 | Templarian | Spyral: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Icons |
| 03:57.41 | zsoc | preoccupied: new service is moving to GPL vs the old service being MIT |
| 03:57.51 | Spyral | hm. the penguin is still bigger than the rest of the icons. I knew i shoulda cross-referenced |
| 03:57.55 | Templarian | Feel free to just add {{icon|Icon_WebOSInternals_Saver.png}} where you need to show it. |
| 03:57.59 | Spyral | Thanks for posting it though |
| 03:58.03 | preoccupied | zsoc: lol, alright. any specific reason for the change? |
| 03:58.17 | preoccupied | zsoc: don't want people to use it in a commercial app? |
| 03:58.38 | Templarian | Spyral: just click on the icon and overwrite it. |
| 03:58.46 | Templarian | Have to be logged in to the wiki. |
| 03:58.52 | zsoc | preoccupied: I'm trying to avoid someone copying it line by line, putting their name on it, and putting it in the app catalog (without them releasing source) |
| 03:59.04 | zsoc | preoccupied: GPL doesn't restrict commercial use, necessarily. |
| 03:59.50 | Spyral | hm. I upped the icon for VBA months ago. I should still have a wiki login here somewhere... |
| 04:01.20 | preoccupied | zsoc: well, i doubt the app would ever make it to the app catalog...since you're not using the official apis... |
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| 04:03.21 | zsoc | preoccupied: I'm using self contained libraries. There's very little reason it couldn't be converted from a service to Plugin, and submitted PDK |
| 04:03.58 | Spyral | Templarian: should I overwrite it now or just let people critique it first? |
| 04:04.22 | Templarian | Overwrite, no one ever crits till they don't like something. |
| 04:04.31 | Spyral | lol |
| 04:04.38 | Templarian | Or if it's a really important app, then I generally just redo it. |
| 04:05.19 | preoccupied | zsoc: lol, ok. GPL is a good move anyway for the community |
| 04:06.19 | Spyral | sorry. didn't mean to cut into your responsibilities |
| 04:07.33 | Templarian | lol, it's open source... doesn't matter who does it. |
| 04:11.38 | zsoc | preoccupied: right, that too of course |
| 04:18.08 | jacques | zsoc: what was the main loop problem solution? |
| 04:19.11 | zsoc | jacques: there wasn't one. an outright quit exposed a pulse audio bug and various manipulations of eos and gst functions got tied up in a live_lock issue. Both are fixed in current versions, but these are old libs we're working with |
| 04:19.22 | zsoc | jacques: so i used a horrible terrible hack, that's either really bad or really genius, i'm not sure |
| 04:20.03 | jacques | zsoc: nice work finding all that |
| 04:20.23 | jacques | sounds like a lots of effort to debug |
| 04:20.56 | zsoc | jacques: eh.. i feel like it would have been less of an effort with reasonably new libraries :P |
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| 04:21.29 | jacques | yeah, I keep hoping we will see more recent versions in webos |
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| 04:22.57 | Spyral | alright. tweaked and reuploaded. I guess now i just sit and wait |
| 04:23.02 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: based on the feedback over the last 12 hours, I think we've released Uber-Kernel to the Palm Pre forum at just the right stage in it's development |
| 04:23.43 | rwhitby | early enough that other people have been able to get involved in tracking down weird issue, but late enough that there are no killer bugs for anyone. |
| 04:23.56 | uNiXpSyChO | i agree |
| 04:25.05 | uNiXpSyChO | still trying to find a work around for users with low brightness demands. |
| 04:27.14 | jacques | low brightness? |
| 04:27.17 | zsoc | preoccupied: i'm running into various anomalies... looks like another day |
| 04:27.26 | rwhitby | hey, looks like the #PalmPreChallenge guy is interested in Uber-Kernel and Govnah |
| 04:27.29 | preoccupied | zsoc|away: haha, alright take your time |
| 04:28.19 | uNiXpSyChO | jacques: some users set there lcd brightness at 0... touchstone charging sets it as 1. so it causes problems :-) |
| 04:29.49 | jacques | uNiXpSyChO: ah |
| 04:30.17 | Spyral | brb |
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| 04:32.20 | WillJitsu | Do Govnah settings persist after a reboot or do I need to reset it each time? |
| 04:32.44 | EdLin | they do not persist |
| 04:33.21 | WillJitsu | ok cool. thanks. :) |
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| 04:38.59 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: just noticed your Location: setting on PreCentral: "Location: Where there are no trolls" |
| 04:39.33 | uNiXpSyChO | hehe... |
| 04:40.06 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: I'm using the screenstate 500/800 setting and it doesn't appear to be jumping back up to 800mhz when I take it off the touchstone. I'm having to manually go in and save the settings. Is that a known issue? |
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| 04:40.49 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: it seems to be. just flick the screen off and on to work-around. |
| 04:41.06 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: gotcha. thanks. |
| 04:41.34 | pullingj | uNiXpSyChO: no luck getting screenstate to work correctly |
| 04:41.54 | uNiXpSyChO | pullingj: i thought you gave up? |
| 04:42.27 | pullingj | i messed around alittle more, but for now I'm going to stick with pt.pl |
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| 04:43.10 | Spyral | the 30th is a Monday |
| 04:43.18 | Spyral | oops. wrong window |
| 04:43.32 | uNiXpSyChO | pullingj: i still think you need to visit the Dr. but i understand why you dont want to do that. |
| 04:45.01 | pullingj | uNiXpSyChO: really the only reason i don't like doctoring are call logs and messaging history |
| 04:45.57 | uNiXpSyChO | yeah. turns out that th inversing problem is pointing at brightness levels from everyone that seen this problem. hey bump up the brightness and all works fine. |
| 04:46.06 | pullingj | does/can the kernel log when the governors change freq? |
| 04:46.08 | uNiXpSyChO | hey=they |
| 04:48.17 | uNiXpSyChO | pullingj: i didnt see specific debug code for that but a printk can be easy enough to throw in. but then you would been a custom build. |
| 04:48.29 | pullingj | right |
| 04:48.56 | pullingj | i was thinking a debug message that included why it was changing freq |
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| 04:49.12 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: is screen state ready for most people? I have a touchstone, btw. |
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| 04:49.34 | uNiXpSyChO | pullingj: now that would require alot of code |
| 04:49.41 | pullingj | yea figured |
| 04:50.00 | uNiXpSyChO | EdLin: yes. just dont set your lcd brightness levels too low and you'll be fine. |
| 04:50.12 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: mine are about one-third up. |
| 04:50.28 | uNiXpSyChO | EdLin: that should be fine. |
| 04:50.42 | WillJitsu | uNiXpSyChO: what does having the brightness set low cause to happen? |
| 04:51.34 | jhowirc | but I like it set all the way down =) |
| 04:51.38 | EdLin | WillJitsu: people set brightness at 0, and the touchstone screen save is 1. |
| 04:51.48 | EdLin | WillJitsu: hence mass confusion results. |
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| 04:52.01 | uNiXpSyChO | WillJitsu: it, for some reason, causes in inversion of the speeds on LCD on/off. i dont see how that can be from the code but it happens. |
| 04:52.31 | WillJitsu | uNiXpSyChO: oh ok. thanks. |
| 04:52.38 | jhowirc | gak. I need to put preware on the plus so that I get wirc |
| 04:52.44 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: it's not a bug, it's a feature! Call it the "pocket warming" governor. |
| 04:52.48 | uNiXpSyChO | if i had the source to powerd i could fix this easily |
| 04:53.19 | uNiXpSyChO | EdLin: at least it doesnt BSOD ;-) |
| 04:53.39 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: I need to have a BSOD custom boot screen.... ;-) |
| 04:55.23 | EdLin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/techthis/3297153233/ |
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| 04:55.32 | EdLin | looks like it could be done. :) |
| 04:56.12 | uNiXpSyChO | you will make the WinMo crowd jealous |
| 04:57.10 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: I feel jealous of the Pre Plus owners, I have to reboot my phone to run PDK games most of the time. Makes me feel like I'm running WinMo. :( |
| 04:58.11 | uNiXpSyChO | yes, that's embarassing :-( |
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| 04:59.37 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: saw someone on Facebook recommending that you "pull the battery before running games". Had to correct that, ugh. |
| 05:00.14 | uNiXpSyChO | EdLin: should post that to lamebook.com ;-) |
| 05:00.20 | EdLin | lol |
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| 05:02.00 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: unfortunately, it's not quite funny enough for lamebook..... |
| 05:02.19 | uNiXpSyChO | *nod* |
| 05:02.27 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: especially since some phones really do need the ol' battery pull. Like my Centro occasionally did. |
| 05:03.07 | uNiXpSyChO | EdLin: my old 755p didnt need it... it just rebooted itself whenit felt like it. |
| 05:03.57 | uNiXpSyChO | but my 800w needed a battery pull at least once a day |
| 05:04.17 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: yeah, WinMo is bad from what I hear. <shudder> |
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| 05:05.03 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: my centro booted itself too. I guess I hacked on it too much, I ran all sorts of dodgy apps on it. |
| 05:05.36 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: a Lisp interpreter and Ultraphone in particular got along poorly. |
| 05:06.00 | uNiXpSyChO | EdLin: i had mine packed with stuff too. including that overclocking app (forget the name). |
| 05:06.20 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: I suspect Ultraphone caused memory fragmentation. I had to delete it, after I'd already paid for it. Chalked it up to experience. ;-) |
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| 05:07.02 | jhowirc | pre is down to 15% batt after running wirc continuously for 7 hrs + web browsing.. |
| 05:07.12 | EdLin | jhowirc: not bad. |
| 05:07.16 | uNiXpSyChO | i actually liked PalmOS... with Fontsmoother installed it looked decent |
| 05:07.23 | jhowirc | yeah. |
| 05:07.34 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: I never put in fontsmoother. I loved PalmOS too. |
| 05:07.48 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: still run stuff in Classic, and I have a Palm TX |
| 05:08.02 | jhowirc | conservative governor worked nicely so far for me... |
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| 05:08.10 | uNiXpSyChO | EdLin: now thats old school! |
| 05:08.38 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: got it for $100 off when palm.com was selling all their inventory in preperation for killing their PDA business. |
| 05:08.52 | uNiXpSyChO | jhowirc: how conservative of you! ;-) |
| 05:09.08 | jhowirc | lol |
| 05:09.16 | uNiXpSyChO | EdLin: only to convert to Handspring |
| 05:09.49 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: no, Handspring was earlier. |
| 05:10.26 | EdLin | uNiXpSyChO: Handspring was re-absorbed into Palm 'round the turn of the century, BTW |
| 05:10.26 | uNiXpSyChO | EdLin: oh. my dates are blurry |
| 05:10.41 | uNiXpSyChO | i had a handspring Visor |
| 05:10.48 | EdLin | and now, with HP buying 3com, Palm has been reabsorbed into 3com! |
| 05:11.07 | EdLin | no wonder they used a borg queen for a commercial... |
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| 05:15.52 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 05:18.33 | opie-x | thanks for all your hardwork rwhitby |
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| 06:14.25 | WillJitsu | Does anyone know how often the Govnah icon updates the temperature in the launcher? |
| 06:14.39 | halfhalo | i think more than once a second |
| 06:30.56 | oil | its just once a second actually :) |
| 06:33.13 | hmagoo | is there a command somewhere to do screen state scaling with uber-kernel but to go down to 250 up to 720 or 800? |
| 06:33.25 | hmagoo | instead of only going down to 500 |
| 06:38.18 | JackieRipper | Is the process for creating an ipkg patch documented? |
| 06:40.43 | JackieRipper | dBsooner: are you about? |
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| 07:16.43 | hmagoo | /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/trans_table interesting stats for frequency step parameters andf scaling I would think |
| 07:37.47 | oil | govnah has access to that |
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| 07:51.23 | rwhitby | hmagoo: the screenstate governor has a hard-coded lower limit of 500MHz until we're able to fix the hang-on-resume problem at lower frequencies that quite a number of people are experiencing. |
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| 07:54.38 | rwhitby | oil: I'm now running Uber-Kernel and Govnah on my main phone with screenstate governor. |
| 07:55.15 | oil | lol |
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| 07:56.49 | rwhitby | the fact that the screen is almost always off is good enough for preserving the lifetime |
| 07:58.58 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 09:49.40 | mjkjr|wirc | Good morning! |
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| 09:55.03 | mjkjr|wirc | what does screenstate govenor use to tell the screen state, the overall brightness? |
| 09:56.12 | oil | it gets from the kernel afaik |
| 09:56.15 | oil | when the screen is on or off |
| 09:56.54 | mjkjr|wirc | because I notice if I adjust my brightness way down it kicks to 500 and I have to reset the governor to get it to realize the scren is still on |
| 09:57.49 | oil | well maybe it does |
| 09:59.46 | mjkjr|wirc | doesn't really bother me, just thought it was interesting so I didn't know if it could tell true scren state. maybe when I turn my brightess to 1 it thinks it's on a touchstone or something, hmm |
| 10:00.08 | oil | uNiXpSyChO would be the one to ask about it :) |
| 10:01.15 | mjkjr|wirc | yeah, I figured that. I'm on crazy hours, it's 5am here |
| 10:05.14 | mjkjr|wirc | anyone besides me notice a cultish vibe reading p|c? the kernel discussions and some peoples lack of common sense blows my mind. |
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| 10:44.11 | PixelDJ | w3schools.com is a good place to learn. |
| 10:44.19 | mohawkboi | Thanks. |
| 10:45.54 | PixelDJ | np =) |
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| 13:23.50 | VincentLaw | well that's interesting |
| 13:23.54 | VincentLaw | my phone died last night |
| 13:24.10 | VincentLaw | while I was sleeping |
| 13:28.10 | VincentLaw | dunno what it was doing to kill itself from 100% to 0 in 8 hours with the screen off unused |
| 13:33.35 | RamsesFSFE | did you reload the battery? |
| 13:40.17 | VincentLaw | saywhat? |
| 13:51.46 | RamsesFSFE | VincentLaw: well, maybe it's just an empty battery? |
| 13:52.36 | VincentLaw | no |
| 13:52.46 | VincentLaw | any other time it'd have 80% battery left |
| 13:53.51 | RamsesFSFE | Wait. What is dead? The phone or just the battery? |
| 13:54.57 | VincentLaw | the battery IN the phone ran out of power from 100% to 0% in 8 hours, while the phone was not doing anything. |
| 13:57.31 | PuffTheMagic | it was doinf something |
| 13:57.33 | PuffTheMagic | obviously |
| 13:59.36 | GreedyB | something stuck? |
| 13:59.50 | PuffTheMagic | VincentLaw: were u using a custom kernel? |
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| 14:00.21 | VincentLaw | yes I was and that's what has me worried. uber kernel |
| 14:00.34 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
| 14:00.37 | VincentLaw | I just wish I knew /what/ it was doing that suddenly made it devour battery |
| 14:00.42 | PuffTheMagic | well |
| 14:00.47 | PuffTheMagic | what ever it was |
| 14:00.57 | PuffTheMagic | 800 made it worse than if u had it at 500 |
| 14:02.02 | VincentLaw | I had it set on conservative with 800mhz max and 125mhz min |
| 14:02.12 | VincentLaw | I've ran it at full 800mhz all the time before uberkernel came out |
| 14:02.18 | VincentLaw | it would still have 80% battery left in the morning |
| 14:02.26 | PuffTheMagic | i've never had good luck with the conservative governor on any system i've used it on |
| 14:02.32 | PuffTheMagic | usually results in hardlocks and what not |
| 14:02.44 | VincentLaw | hasn't hardlocked on me yet |
| 14:02.46 | PuffTheMagic | ondemand has never given me issues |
| 14:02.49 | VincentLaw | but this is a weird issue |
| 14:02.55 | VincentLaw | ondemand causes a lot of annoying issues |
| 14:03.01 | PuffTheMagic | how do u know it didnt hardlock last night |
| 14:03.03 | VincentLaw | namely crazy amounts of flickering |
| 14:03.29 | PuffTheMagic | well im not tlaking about on the pre right now |
| 14:03.31 | VincentLaw | I don't know for sure, but I'd be surprised |
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| 14:40.11 | Ephreet|Pre | mornin' |
| 14:41.00 | Ephreet|Pre | I'm getting an error when attempting to upgrade Uber-Kernel... |
| 14:43.15 | Ephreet|Pre | see the log here: http://pastebin.com/snSLfsLb |
| 14:44.39 | Ephreet|Pre | brb gotta reboot... |
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| 14:53.14 | JackieRipper | Good morning |
| 14:57.11 | RamsesFSFE | Good afternoon |
| 15:04.17 | VincentLaw | good night |
| 15:06.06 | RamsesFSFE | *g* |
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| 15:25.00 | Ephreet|Pre | back... still can't get it to work |
| 15:25.55 | Ephreet|Pre | when it went to uninstall uber kernel I guess I should have uninstalled govnah firs? |
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| 15:30.35 | Ephreet|Pre | I made sure my proc was set to 500MHz then removed govnah... rebooted the phone... still no dice |
| 15:38.42 | Ephreet|Pre | weird thing is I just reinstalled govnah and it still works. |
| 15:39.06 | Ephreet|Pre | even without uber-kernel being there |
| 16:06.07 | VincentLaw | EvanDotPro: did you uninstall the other kernel? |
| 16:06.31 | VincentLaw | setting the phone to 500mhz does not get rid of the uberkernel |
| 16:06.36 | VincentLaw | you have to actually uninstall the kernel |
| 16:07.10 | VincentLaw | there's no way to upgrade it, you can only install from the stock pre kernel |
| 16:10.04 | VincentLaw | err |
| 16:10.07 | VincentLaw | not EvanDotPro, Ephreet|Pre |
| 16:10.12 | VincentLaw | stupid tab completion >.> |
| 16:11.16 | Ephreet|Pre | well it was under updates |
| 16:11.36 | Ephreet|Pre | and I think it uninstalled it |
| 16:11.52 | Ephreet|Pre | it doesn't show up in preware |
| 16:13.25 | VincentLaw | and you rebooted the pre after uninstalling? |
| 16:13.32 | VincentLaw | well, if necessary, you can install the stock pre package |
| 16:14.32 | EdLin | actually, the 1.4.x package (depending on your firmware version) is the one that resets everything. The "stock" package is just a way of testing the packaging system. |
| 16:14.52 | VincentLaw | ah well there ya go :P |
| 16:15.03 | Ephreet|Pre | oh right |
| 16:15.15 | Ephreet|Pre | yeah I did reboot |
| 16:15.40 | Ephreet|Pre | I'll install stock then do the uber kernel again |
| 16:15.57 | VincentLaw | needless to say if govnah still lets you overclock then it's still running non-stock |
| 16:16.20 | EdLin | VincentLaw: unless it's only to 600MHz, that the stock kernels can do. |
| 16:17.37 | Ephreet|Pre | 800MHz |
| 16:18.08 | PuffTheMagic | u dont need super kernel to use govnah |
| 16:18.17 | PuffTheMagic | govnah just acts on files that have always existed |
| 16:19.58 | VincentLaw | EdLin: well technically 600mhz isn't an overclock :P |
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| 16:42.02 | danstah | hey guys is there a simple way to remove a package which preware cannot find when i try to use saverestore to reinstall all my packages? |
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| 16:45.02 | Ephreet|Pre | that took care of it, thanks guys! |
| 16:54.22 | danstah | hey guys is there a simple way to remove a package which preware cannot find when i try to use saverestore to reinstall all my packages? |
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| 17:19.03 | mischko | I upgaded to 1.4.1 from 1.4.0 and my preware plugins stopped working. How to get them to reinstall/update? |
| 17:19.23 | mischko | patches, not plugins. |
| 17:23.37 | mischko | I see that I can update them individually. Can it be done for all of them? |
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| 17:24.09 | WillJitsu | Does the Govnah launcher icon only update the temp. while the Govnah card is open? |
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| 18:37.53 | hape | good evening |
| 18:40.36 | ka6sox | good morning |
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| 19:02.13 | GreedyB | I feel like uber makes my menu less snappy compared to other options. Anyone else experiencing that? |
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| 19:13.58 | destinal | Rick_work: so I got a nook. Supports the epub format which is pretty decent (and I'll take html, xml, and css over binary blobs any day of the week) and Calibre is an awesome ebook manager |
| 19:16.09 | destinal | apparently pReader added ePub support a couple of months back, too, so I should be able to use the same books in both places (except for any DRM'd ones unfortunately) |
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| 19:20.29 | oc80z | ugk |
| 19:20.34 | oc80z | no win7 on hp-slate?????? |
| 19:20.48 | halfhalo | I have peanuts. I am happy. And I am also drinking coke out of my palm beer mug. Which is next to my palm thermos |
| 19:20.50 | oc80z | that sucks+ |
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| 19:21.28 | halfhalo | for the win 7 slate, they had to play a balancing game and ended up losing |
| 19:22.00 | destinal | halfhalo: I'm totally jealous of all the swag people have |
| 19:22.17 | halfhalo | to keep the price down, they had to go with atom, and all its limitations (like crap cpu, 1GB max mem, crap ipg), and that would have been a horrible experience |
| 19:22.28 | halfhalo | heh, I got my thermos launch day. |
| 19:22.42 | oc80z | however, if its possible to install win7 on it |
| 19:22.58 | halfhalo | no, I think their going with an arm cpu now |
| 19:22.58 | destinal | oc80z: on the bright side, the slate hardware will probably be webos, and of course you should be able to run whatever linux you like on it |
| 19:23.01 | oc80z | i'm all about Microsoft One Note. |
| 19:23.11 | oc80z | Yeah well.. |
| 19:23.28 | oc80z | we'll see.. |
| 19:23.33 | halfhalo | The problem with going with an x86 cpu is that you lose pdk app support |
| 19:23.41 | oc80z | for note taking, MS 1note is the uNF> |
| 19:23.43 | oc80z | bblz |
| 19:24.03 | destinal | I won't buy an ipad, but a slate webos box would be killer |
| 19:24.55 | destinal | also I have a feeling we'd start seeing tons more apps |
| 19:25.12 | halfhalo | I'm not getting an ipad (but they are nice pieces of hardware), but I may break down and get the hp touchscreen culv netbook before the webos slate is released |
| 19:26.23 | destinal | I hope HP realizes that openness is one of their key differentiators over Apple's locked-in world and doesn't decide locking things down more is better |
| 19:27.41 | halfhalo | I think thats a given actually⦠their already used to MS's everything is open approach compared to apples apple-centric approach |
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| 19:32.37 | halfhalo | âx (Student(x)âAngry(claire,3:00 )) |
| 19:32.41 | halfhalo | I hate logic |
| 19:32.55 | MetaView | hi |
| 19:33.01 | halfhalo | hola |
| 19:34.08 | MetaView | my internet connection is very very slow today |
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| 19:34.22 | halfhalo | My internet is always slow on the mini |
| 19:34.42 | halfhalo | BUT that is going to change since a new router for my room has been ordered |
| 19:34.59 | MetaView | not as slow as mine... Even the 400kb download for the cygwin setup failed |
| 19:35.15 | halfhalo | Heh |
| 19:35.19 | halfhalo | Yeah... |
| 19:35.41 | halfhalo | Slow for me is around 600KB/s compared to every other computers 2MB/s |
| 19:36.09 | MetaView | fxxx |
| 19:36.50 | MetaView | some patch gods here? |
| 19:37.17 | halfhalo | I think their all at the wedding |
| 19:38.07 | halfhalo | Now, the question is, what wedding? |
| 19:38.08 | JackieRipper | MetaView: what are you looking for? |
| 19:38.37 | JackieRipper | I'm certainly not a patch god, but I've written a patch or two, and cleaned up a few more |
| 19:39.22 | halfhalo | uses his spidey sense and discoveres pizza is here |
| 19:41.57 | MetaView | need to create a patch which patchs some sourece files (that's the easy part) and installs 2 icons |
| 19:42.32 | MetaView | I have the diff (just creating it) and the icons and jaycanuck told me something about AUPT4 |
| 19:42.39 | MetaView | but didn't really get it |
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| 19:44.03 | halfhalo | has buffalo chicken kickers and the last coke in the house |
| 19:45.05 | halfhalo | You know what always makes coke better? drinking it from a palm labeled vessel |
| 19:45.47 | Tibfib | HPalm might be better |
| 19:46.41 | halfhalo | meh |
| 19:46.46 | halfhalo | have more shuttle stuff than hp stuff |
| 19:46.51 | halfhalo | like⦠a shuttle thermos |
| 19:46.57 | halfhalo | and two t-shirts |
| 19:46.59 | halfhalo | and a flash drive |
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| 19:47.22 | halfhalo | Never owned a shuttle computer though |
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| 19:55.57 | dirs | hi guys.. |
| 19:56.14 | dirs | how can I download doctor 1.4.1.1 to use with meta-doctor? |
| 19:56.49 | dirs | can't found the .jar of doctor 1.4.1.1 to compile meta.. |
| 19:58.02 | preoccupied | dirs: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
| 20:02.10 | halfhalo | ugugug |
| 20:02.21 | halfhalo | download speed down to 300KB/s |
| 20:02.38 | halfhalo | Downloading Win XP to use in a vm on mini |
| 20:02.44 | dirs | make CARRIER=sprint unpack patch pack |
| 20:02.44 | dirs | mkdir -p downloads |
| 20:02.45 | dirs | Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file... |
| 20:03.15 | halfhalo | yeah, you must download the doctor yourself |
| 20:03.16 | MetaView | 6,8KB/s |
| 20:03.34 | MetaView | what do I pay money for? |
| 20:03.47 | MetaView | would be faster useing the pre... |
| 20:03.53 | halfhalo | hah |
| 20:04.18 | halfhalo | I hit 322KB/s off of my friends VZW pre plus during dev days |
| 20:05.37 | halfhalo | God I want mobile hot spot |
| 20:05.47 | Tibfib | you can use it on sprint |
| 20:05.59 | Tibfib | (if that's your problem) |
| 20:06.12 | halfhalo | Yeah, but I'm keeping my sprint pre non homebrewed |
| 20:06.41 | halfhalo | speaking of my pre's, where the hell did the plus go |
| 20:06.55 | halfhalo | found it! |
| 20:07.17 | halfhalo | Lets seeâ¦. it has been 2 days since I charged it and it is at⦠80% battery |
| 20:07.25 | MetaView | webos-patching.log, where to find it? |
| 20:07.27 | halfhalo | abeit with the cell modem shut off and wifi only |
| 20:07.42 | halfhalo | MetaView: should be in /media/internal IIRC |
| 20:09.17 | halfhalo | just looked at his sprint bill and laughed when he saw how many minutes he used |
| 20:10.33 | halfhalo | 22 anytime minutes⦠out of 450 |
| 20:11.12 | MetaView | thx |
| 20:15.39 | dirs | I've cloned meta-doctor's git, edited makefile and download doctor jar's but it is saying that i'm with a wrong webos doctor :/ "Please download the correct version of the webOS Doctor .jar file" |
| 20:15.50 | halfhalo | did you rename it? |
| 20:15.57 | dirs | I'm on OSX so also a change xargs md5sum to md5 -r |
| 20:15.57 | dirs | yeah |
| 20:17.15 | halfhalo | No idea⦠I have been playing around with it on linux for an easier build script, aka one command |
| 20:17.42 | dirs | can I remove the verification for the same versions? |
| 20:18.00 | halfhalo | I don't remember, but I think yes |
| 20:18.09 | halfhalo | I havent played with it in a week or so due to finals |
| 20:20.31 | dirs | I don't have any ideia of bash.. http://gist.github.com/387408 can I just remove line 3? |
| 20:21.42 | halfhalo | No⦠that line is checking to make sure the file is thereâ¦. it sounds like the files are not being found |
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| 20:30.43 | dirs | well, I edited some lines at makefile, copied again and seems that are compiling. thank halfhalo |
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| 21:08.34 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:08.50 | halfhalo | murnin |
| 21:14.07 | rwhitby | dirs: the wiki page for meta-doctor says to install md5sum via macports - are you following that page? |
| 21:15.28 | dirs | rwhitby: macports :/ also seems that package aren't avaliable anymore so I search and found that md5sum = md5 -r on osx |
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| 21:15.52 | rwhitby | dirs: look for md5sha1sum in macports |
| 21:16.13 | rwhitby | like the wiki page says ... |
| 21:17.44 | dirs | k, will try |
| 21:24.59 | dirs | hmmm sees that are working now.. but I see one error cause its trying to compile to pixi also... |
| 21:25.19 | dirs | well, thanks guys.. will try later. beer time. |
| 21:25.21 | dirs | bye |
| 21:25.37 | JackieRipper | good morning, gents |
| 21:25.41 | JackieRipper | and ladies |
| 21:26.01 | jwm | good morning |
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| 21:33.36 | idontwan2know | Ugh...why don't people read? |
| 21:34.13 | idontwan2know | If I see one more "nothing happens when I tap the Uber Kernel icon" post, I might just smack somebody! |
| 21:34.49 | RamsesFSFE | LOL |
| 21:35.20 | RamsesFSFE | RTFM seems to be a difficult task ;-) |
| 21:35.58 | jwm | that's why we must remind people, especially on irc help channels, to RTFM every day |
| 21:36.10 | jwm | that's why rtfm got abbreviated |
| 21:36.17 | RamsesFSFE | LOL |
| 21:36.48 | RamsesFSFE | jwm: well, this is what makes people ask: What is RTFM? ;-) |
| 21:37.10 | jwm | we'll just switch to lmgtfy :) |
| 21:37.20 | RamsesFSFE | *g* |
| 21:37.31 | jwm | what I hate worse than questions being asked that are in a manual |
| 21:37.44 | jwm | are questions that are asked in such a way on irc that they are already answered on google, first hit |
| 21:37.53 | RamsesFSFE | agreed |
| 21:38.00 | jwm | now I can understand sometimes I have questions I can't figure out how to word so they aren't google friendly |
| 21:38.04 | jwm | very rare |
| 21:38.23 | RamsesFSFE | I always ask people: Am I a walking Google interface? |
| 21:38.30 | jwm | but questions that have 12 top hits and all answer it |
| 21:39.09 | RamsesFSFE | jwm: The problem ist: People haven't learned to ask the right question |
| 21:39.21 | oil | relevant: http://xkcd.com/627/ |
| 21:40.48 | halfhalo | Decisions⦠wether to do hw and study for final or watch batman begins |
| 21:40.58 | jwm | problem is people don't have patience with "these new fangled machines" |
| 21:41.01 | oil | votes batman |
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| 21:45.03 | halfhalo | oh, oh |
| 21:45.06 | halfhalo | I can do both! |
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| 21:47.16 | WillJitsu | I installed a device menu patch that removed the Airplane Mode option. Is there any other way to access it? My data connection is not working. |
| 21:48.07 | rwhitby | hold the power button? |
| 21:48.32 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: doh. forgot it was there too. |
| 21:49.47 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: is there a way to use preware to remove that patch? it wont' load the feeds due to the data connection not working. |
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| 21:50.31 | halfhalo | wosqi should be able to remove it |
| 21:52.14 | WillJitsu | halfhalo: true. I'll use that then. |
| 21:52.24 | rwhitby | preware should be able to uninstall any correctly installed AUPT patch |
| 21:52.53 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: well I know it's capable, especially since I installed it via Preware, but how do you get to the list of installed packages if you can't get past the loading feeds section? |
| 21:53.12 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: I have preware set to auto update feeds on load |
| 21:53.14 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: why can't you get past loading feeds? |
| 21:53.26 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: change the preference then |
| 21:53.44 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: it sits there forever trying to load them but never progresses b/c the data connection isn't working |
| 21:53.56 | rwhitby | ok, go to the menu and change the preference |
| 21:56.17 | WillJitsu | well I got rid of the patch, but data still isn't working. :( |
| 21:57.56 | WillJitsu | guess it's time for the webos doctor. ugh. |
| 21:58.31 | halfhalo | doesn't have batman on the zune⦠but does have sherlock holmes! |
| 22:06.38 | WillJitsu | Anyone know why changing the "Data Usage" option between Off and On would do absolutely nothing? |
| 22:10.32 | JackieRipper | rwhitby: is there documentation on the wiki for creating AUPT patches? |
| 22:11.19 | JackieRipper | or is AUPT just the method in which unified diffs are applied and backed out? |
| 22:17.19 | rwhitby | JackieRipper: AUPT is the mechanism - any unified diff will do |
| 22:38.54 | JackieRipper | sweet |
| 22:40.11 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 22:40.28 | JackieRipper | rwhitby: and just double-checking... the preferred method for submitting a patch to be considered for inclusion in the webosinternals feed is to submit a unified diff and description to dBsooner's website, correct? |
| 22:41.32 | zsoc | JackieRipper: that's mostly correct, yes |
| 22:42.05 | JackieRipper | zsoc: "mostly"? What am I missing? I'd like to do it right. |
| 22:42.30 | zsoc | JackieRipper: It is my opinion there's no right way :) So currently the correct way submission to the patch website :> |
| 22:42.59 | JackieRipper | :) |
| 22:43.09 | JackieRipper | cool, thanks |
| 22:44.07 | JackieRipper | I was mostly checking that a unified diff was expected, rather than an ipkg. |
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| 23:08.42 | WillJitsu | If I'm about to webos doctor, is there any reason to remove a theme or will that all be removed properly during the process? |
| 23:09.30 | brikus | basically you are wiping the OS and reinstalling |
| 23:09.36 | WillJitsu | yeah |
| 23:09.37 | brikus | so everything so be wiped out |
| 23:09.39 | WillJitsu | cool |
| 23:09.39 | brikus | should be |
| 23:09.46 | WillJitsu | so no need to remove patches prior to doctoring, right? |
| 23:09.50 | zsoc | except /media/internal/ |
| 23:09.52 | WillJitsu | gotcha |
| 23:09.57 | WillJitsu | already backed up /media/internal |
| 23:10.03 | brikus | yeah, just the OS, not your USB storage |
| 23:10.13 | brikus | err you already got it yeah |
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| 23:34.45 | WillJitsu | Looks like the data chip is fried on the phone. Unable to sign into Palm profile due to no connection. :( |
| 23:34.55 | jwm | what did you do |
| 23:35.47 | WillJitsu | only thing I can come up with is overclocking with the uber kernel |
| 23:35.59 | WillJitsu | of course there's no way to prove that |
| 23:36.20 | brikus | do you have a strong 3G signal or are you connecting at 1xRTT often? |
| 23:36.24 | brikus | before it broke I mean |
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| 23:36.51 | WillJitsu | nope worked fine |
| 23:36.56 | WillJitsu | perfect signal |
| 23:39.43 | jwm | hehe |
| 23:39.53 | jwm | why do people want to overclock their phone |
| 23:39.59 | jwm | pres are unstable enough as it is heh |
| 23:40.26 | WillJitsu | too laggy without speed increase :) |
| 23:40.37 | WillJitsu | I had the 1st generation 800mhz patch for weeks and it ran fine |
| 23:40.43 | WillJitsu | loaded uber kernel last night and this morning data isn't working |
| 23:40.45 | WillJitsu | kinda weird |
| 23:42.20 | jwm | hehe |
| 23:42.29 | jwm | why then did you go from the 800mhz patch that was working |
| 23:42.35 | jwm | explain that one :) |
| 23:42.46 | WillJitsu | wanted the 1.4.1.1 kernel |
| 23:42.52 | jwm | ahh |
| 23:43.03 | jwm | yeah I don't understand why webos is so laggy |
| 23:43.07 | jwm | I don't think it's the hardware |
| 23:43.32 | sbromwich | it's syslog |
| 23:44.02 | jwm | heh |
| 23:44.15 | jwm | linux runs fine on a 90mhz pentium |
| 23:44.18 | jwm | with syslog |
| 23:44.27 | sbromwich | on what sort of storage? |
| 23:44.29 | jwm | it's probably java vm + 1200 layers before you get to the javascript |
| 23:44.55 | sbromwich | have you tried disabling syslog already, then? |
| 23:45.14 | jwm | I'm talking about the user interfaces in some apps |
| 23:45.17 | jwm | like the dialer |
| 23:45.21 | sbromwich | so am I |
| 23:45.30 | jwm | upi |
| 23:45.37 | jwm | you're saying disabling syslog will fix it all |
| 23:45.44 | jwm | dialer will launch in 1 second |
| 23:45.45 | sbromwich | a large part of it, yes |
| 23:45.57 | jwm | I'll give it a try |
| 23:46.35 | sbromwich | writes to flash are slow compared to hard disks, and there's a lot of data written to syslog |
| 23:50.17 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: what have you tried so far with respect to your connection? |
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| 23:51.53 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: well I can't really try much right now b/c I can't get logged into the palm profile. prior to the webos doctor I tried enabling/disabling airplane mode, disabling/enabling data, etc. |
| 23:52.01 | WillJitsu | 1X data DID work if I went into Roam Only Mode |
| 23:52.15 | WillJitsu | if I went back to Automatic or Sprint, the EV icon would show up for about 30 seconds, then it would disappear |
| 23:52.18 | WillJitsu | and I had no data service |
| 23:52.42 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: there have been reports a long time ago of people loosing data service and having to call their provider to get it back again. |
| 23:53.06 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: yeah I have read that as well. I'm actually on the line with Sprint right now checking that. |
| 23:53.07 | rwhitby | don't know if anyone ever worked out what caused it. this was well before any overclocking stuff. |
| 23:53.13 | rwhitby | cool |
| 23:53.45 | WillJitsu | and I'm not blaming uber kernel by any means, it just so happened that I lost data on the phone a few hours after loading it. could be coincidence. |
| 23:54.10 | halfhalo | did you try updating network settings/prl and all that jazz? |
| 23:54.27 | WillJitsu | halfhalo: yes and it all failed due to no data connection |
| 23:55.32 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: yep, but it could be overclocking in general too - all sorts of things can happen when you run a device outside of specification limits |
| 23:55.43 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: very true. |
| 23:56.20 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: I would be more inclined to believe it was overclocking in general if I hadn't been running at a constant 800mhz with the 1st generation kernel for several weeks. |
| 23:57.49 | sbromwich | WillJitsu: does ifconfig ppp0 give you anything? |
| 23:59.02 | WillJitsu | sbromwich: can't get webos quick install to detect the phone. I'm at the palm profile login screen on the phone. |
| 23:59.15 | sbromwich | ah, ok |
| 23:59.19 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: well, the lifetime reduction has to hit an end point at some time :) |
| 23:59.25 | WillJitsu | rwhitby: ha yeah :) |
| 23:59.45 | rwhitby | WillJitsu: but yeah, we should not discount any possible cause. |
