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| 00:03.37 | phil_bw | I go back and forth with MS |
| 00:03.55 | phil_bw | I do really like Win7 (short of setting up an HP printer on it) |
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| 00:07.25 | zsoc | phil_bw: W7 is the first os I've found 'usable' since win 2000 back in the day |
| 00:08.17 | phil_bw | zsoc, same. I got sick of Vista on my laptop so really went to 7 to get away from it and ended up really liking 7 |
| 00:09.34 | zsoc | phil_bw: Oh, I don't use it.. but I do general user support a lot. I've used linux as my primary os for a few years now |
| 00:10.37 | phil_bw | zsoc, I've been all across the board (short of mac) Win98 to Mandrake to Win XP to Mandriva to Gentoo (with a Debian playmate) to Vista to 7 |
| 00:11.08 | zsoc | phil_bw: Good then :) I am super impressed by increase of general usability of linux over the last 3 years. |
| 00:11.24 | phil_bw | for the longest time I used linux as my primary with a second computer running win98 for development (had to have it for the tools I was using) |
| 00:11.33 | zsoc | My wife started by nagging me to install it (when I insisted all of her problems were windows related). Then she started dual booting. Now she asked me to remove windows to free up space. |
| 00:11.44 | zsoc | She's not a computer person :> |
| 00:12.41 | phil_bw | I thoroughly enjoyed Gentoo when I used it but I needed to get down to one computer at at the time my dev tools required windows and I couldn't find a happy solution under wine so I just went to XP (though I held on to my Debian server for quite some time) |
| 00:13.21 | zsoc | Am I glad I'm not in an industry where that is the case. |
| 00:13.55 | phil_bw | now come full circle and the webos dev tools are all linux friendly (if not preferred) |
| 00:13.55 | zsoc | Although I will say I do find 7 usable... it's just not.. for me. It becomes "I wonder if I can do this?" instead of how it should be... "Let me find out how to do this." |
| 00:14.09 | zsoc | phil_bw: well, except the official pdk ;) hehe |
| 00:14.22 | phil_bw | ah |
| 00:15.13 | phil_bw | oh well, as I always say "if it works for you, use it"\ |
| 00:15.48 | zsoc | I agree. |
| 00:16.06 | phil_bw | the fact of the matter too is that the world is becoming so web centric that in 5 - 10 years it truely wont matter which platform you use |
| 00:16.08 | zsoc | I only argue when someone is using 1 thing, simply because they are undereducated about other options ;) |
| 00:16.24 | rwhitby | phil_bw: yeah, then it will matter which internet you use |
| 00:16.35 | zsoc | I agree with webcentricity, but /some/ will see to it they have a certain about of control |
| 00:16.37 | phil_bw | exactly |
| 00:16.37 | zsoc | what rod said |
| 00:16.52 | phil_bw | for the consumer end I mean |
| 00:17.16 | phil_bw | obviously mission criticual stuff will always be trusted to a *nix environment |
| 00:17.58 | zsoc | Microsoft is a good example. A big company that uses windows, mac, and nix. |
| 00:18.22 | phil_bw | oh really? |
| 00:18.54 | zsoc | of course, how do you think they run? :) |
| 00:19.26 | phil_bw | well I don't think a mac needs to be involved anywhere |
| 00:21.04 | zsoc | I believe they are used for design mostly. But they use quite a few |
| 00:21.07 | phil_bw | I got kind of a laugh then other day when I stumbled across an old gentoo wiki article I wrote about accessing an NFS network from a Windows system (now it's all native, but back then it was far from it) |
| 00:21.12 | phil_bw | http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/Access_NFS_via_SFU |
| 00:21.25 | phil_bw | there was as lot of work invovled back then... |
| 00:22.26 | zsoc | phil_bw: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/09/19/microsofts-im-a-pc-ads-created-on-macs/ |
| 00:22.35 | zsoc | phil_bw: ah yes, it's come a long way lol |
| 00:23.26 | phil_bw | haha, I stand corrected about the mac comment |
| 00:30.23 | oil | http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Application:Govnah&curid=2017&diff=9805&oldid=9804 |
| 00:30.35 | oil | when was that an inside joke about arnold schwarzenegger? |
| 00:30.57 | zsoc | ha |
| 00:31.11 | oil | cause i was there when we named it, and i don't remember that xD |
| 00:31.12 | zsoc | that guy thinks so |
| 00:31.21 | zsoc | recalls being there too.. |
| 00:32.59 | oil | changes its wording to "apparently people think its an inside joke, but it isn't" |
| 00:33.16 | zsoc | ++ |
| 00:35.57 | oil | maybe ill just delete it with the comment "this never happened" |
| 00:36.31 | BeeRad | Hey guys, if I have an idea for a patch, should I ask here or hit the precentral.net forums up? |
| 00:37.41 | zsoc | BeeRad: You should make it |
| 00:38.46 | BeeRad | has no dev skills. |
| 00:38.50 | rwhitby | BeeRad: you should mention it to Jason ;) |
| 00:39.06 | BeeRad | rwhitby: hey buddy! |
| 00:39.10 | rwhitby | BeeRad: tell him that there's no chance that he would be able to do something like that - it's way too hard. |
| 00:39.21 | BeeRad | haha. |
| 00:39.30 | BeeRad | Hey Jason...do you REALLY want a challenge? |
| 00:39.31 | BeeRad | lol |
| 00:39.33 | rwhitby | that used to work on me 20 years ago too :) |
| 00:39.54 | BeeRad | I want control of the LED light for notifs. ;) |
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| 00:40.52 | halfhalo | saying its to hard for you doesn't work on me |
| 00:41.16 | halfhalo | but what DOES is an obsenly high hourly rate for being a consultant |
| 00:43.07 | rwhitby | halfhalo: no, BeeRad shouldn't say it's too hard for BeeRad, he should say it's too hard for Jason |
| 00:43.27 | rwhitby | (or maybe you were saying that, English is so ambiguous) |
| 00:43.34 | halfhalo | yeah |
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| 00:51.56 | BeeRad | is sad that rwhitby doesn't retweet his praises for @webosinternals on Twitter. lol |
| 00:52.08 | rwhitby | BeeRad: which one? |
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| 00:52.33 | BeeRad | I do it all the time. haha I think my Twitter is fracked somehow. |
| 00:52.49 | nt4cats | is downloading Lucid install CD so that he can bake his own "auto-novaterm" LiveCD |
| 00:53.12 | BeeRad | my #palmcast hashtags never show up in the timeline for the Palmcast lightning round. I cant figure out why. |
| 00:55.31 | zsoc | nt4cats: do it |
| 00:55.37 | zsoc | "Preware Install CD" |
| 00:55.38 | zsoc | ahahhaa |
| 00:56.39 | nt4cats | the script is done(ish), it seems that with a 'base' LiveCD and "UCK" (Ubuntu Customization Kit) -- the CD seems like an easy(ish) thing. I'll let you know once I run it. |
| 00:57.16 | RagingMind | nt4cats, ubuntu that has all the development stuff installed on install? |
| 00:57.52 | nt4cats | learned this evening that Adora isn't a robot -- she's a real person. She also runs Fedora and digs webOS. These are all good things in my book (although I wouldn't mind if she were a robot ... that'd be cool, too) |
| 00:58.25 | nt4cats | RagingMind: I don't run Ubuntu myself, so I'm not certain what you get by default out of the box. |
| 00:59.15 | nt4cats | RagingMind: I'm taking a crack at making a LiveCD for easy novaterm access to webOS devices, so I haven't needed to think about development tools |
| 01:00.16 | Adora | nt4cats: I'm actually a mac user, but I have lots of friends in the fedora community |
| 01:00.34 | Adora | and I actually AM a robot |
| 01:00.36 | Adora | ... |
| 01:00.38 | Adora | everything else is true |
| 01:00.50 | nt4cats | zsoc: Preware Install CD, hmmm, that's an idea. |
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| 01:03.08 | zsoc | nt4cats: /or/, just a default bin... like "preware install" :> |
| 01:03.25 | rwhitby | loves writing tweets that people will want to RT, but are too long to do so easily :) |
| 01:03.42 | ka6sox-work | 139characters |
| 01:05.25 | BeeRad | ohhhhhhhhh ;) |
| 01:05.30 | BeeRad | Point taken. |
| 01:05.45 | BeeRad | So much love to shrink down though. |
| 01:05.58 | BeeRad | Lisa! |
| 01:06.24 | rwhitby | morning Adora |
| 01:06.51 | Adora | rwhitby: dude, I haaaaaaaaaaate it when you do that |
| 01:06.55 | Adora | you are rather notorious |
| 01:07.43 | rwhitby | Adora: I'm just pure evil to the core - haven't you been following the eDrama lately? |
| 01:08.12 | VincentLaw | WOH |
| 01:08.15 | VincentLaw | PREWARE HITTING 1.0?! |
| 01:08.24 | zsoc | VincentLaw: SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 01:08.26 | zsoc | goodness |
| 01:08.33 | zsoc | VincentLaw: not yet it's not. |
| 01:08.35 | VincentLaw | I thought it was going to be Google-style beta forever! |
| 01:08.36 | rwhitby | VincentLaw: actually, it will be 0.9.99 for the release candidate :) |
| 01:08.39 | nt4cats | I just noticed in the device info applet that it shows I have hardware revision A. I don't recall seeing that before (maybe it was added to the display in 1.4.x?) Are there Rev B,C, etc. on Sprint? |
| 01:09.01 | VincentLaw | you should call it beta even after 1.0.0 |
| 01:09.23 | nt4cats | I'm going to make a patch that re-adds the beta tag to Preware after it goes GA |
| 01:09.43 | zsoc | forks Preware... Zware. |
| 01:10.09 | VincentLaw | SuperPreWare |
| 01:10.21 | nt4cats | zsoc: did you settle on a name, by the way? |
| 01:10.26 | PrimerFender | make toolchain =D |
| 01:10.38 | VincentLaw | still votes for "Talk to the Palm" |
| 01:10.48 | zsoc | nt4cats: settle is a funny word. it's done, so whether i settled or not is in the past lol |
| 01:11.49 | rwhitby | wonders when people will twig that the whole Uber-Kernel thing was just a way of getting people to install the testing feed in preparation for Preware 1.0 release candidate testing ... |
| 01:11.53 | BeeRad | ok, whats going on? I mention Twitter issues in here and now Im getting follower after follower. *raises eyebrow* |
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| 01:15.57 | nt4cats | I need to go yell at my daughter, she's not in bed yet. |
| 01:16.19 | PrimerFender | don't be mean. it's almost summer |
| 01:17.18 | nt4cats | PrimerFender: how many kids do you have? |
| 01:17.36 | PrimerFender | =D |
| 01:17.46 | PrimerFender | none, that I know of... |
| 01:17.53 | nt4cats | thinks someone should be yelling at PrimerFender right now ... |
| 01:18.35 | PrimerFender | haha |
| 01:19.22 | VincentLaw | nothing's worse than a kid who doesn't get enough sleep. GRUMPY MCGRUMPMEISTERS |
| 01:19.31 | nt4cats | I didn't *actually* yell. I just spoke in my gravelly Clint Eastwood voice and gestured menacingly |
| 01:19.38 | PrimerFender | nt4cats: what tims is it? |
| 01:19.43 | PrimerFender | tiem* |
| 01:19.46 | PrimerFender | time* |
| 01:19.46 | VincentLaw | time for bed |
| 01:19.48 | VincentLaw | obviously |
| 01:19.52 | PrimerFender | LOL |
| 01:20.06 | nt4cats | PrimerFender: I live in the suburbs very near Philadelphia, PA. It is 9:20p here. |
| 01:20.15 | nt4cats | (I work in downtown Philly) |
| 01:20.25 | PrimerFender | i only wonder because it's still daylight out and I can remember being sent to bed in the summer when it was still daylight :-/ |
| 01:20.27 | nt4cats | (we call it "center city") |
| 01:21.34 | PrimerFender | and I call it someplace I aint never been too |
| 01:27.00 | zsoc | nt4cats: i wish i was your daughter |
| 01:27.06 | zsoc | nt4cats: i immediately regret typing that |
| 01:27.27 | nt4cats | feels a little bit uncomfortable now |
| 01:27.33 | rwhitby | oil is going to love this 0.9.99 version number |
| 01:27.40 | nt4cats | slowly backs away from zsoc |
| 01:28.10 | zsoc | nt4cats: i meant, having a father with a sense of humor who has a clint eastwood voice and makes fervent gestures |
| 01:28.12 | nt4cats | suggests "I wish I could go to bed now -- your daughter is lucky!" |
| 01:28.24 | nt4cats | or that |
| 01:29.20 | nt4cats | at my age a 9:30p bedtime would be quite a treat. |
| 01:31.58 | nt4cats | ka6sox-work: advanced age (compared to most here -- I'm not the oldest ever seen in these parts, but I'm part of the senior crowd on this channel) |
| 01:32.39 | oil | 0.9.99? |
| 01:32.57 | ka6sox-work | oil: that was for your benefit :D |
| 01:33.21 | oil | just go 0.10.1 |
| 01:33.40 | rwhitby | oil: no, that will not force me to release 1.0.0 |
| 01:33.55 | oil | no |
| 01:34.01 | oil | lol |
| 01:34.04 | nt4cats | oil: if you take "0.9.99" and feed it into a kupier series fractal transformation for certain eigen values, the result translates to "oil is cool" |
| 01:34.13 | oil | lol |
| 01:34.18 | rwhitby | although I still have 0.9.99[9]+ left if needed ... |
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| 01:36.32 | rwhitby | oil: so, last chance to stop 0.9.99 going into the testing feed ... |
| 01:37.04 | oil | whats 0.9.99 do? |
| 01:37.07 | rwhitby | (it automatically installs the C service, and removes the Java service, and you can uninstall Preware Alpha or leave it installed afterwards without issue) |
| 01:37.14 | rwhitby | oil: same as current Preware Alpha |
| 01:37.39 | rwhitby | basically 0.9.99 is a test of the seamless transition from Preware Alpha to Preware |
| 01:38.11 | rwhitby | all those in favour, say "Aye" |
| 01:38.20 | zsoc | Howabout: GO! |
| 01:38.24 | oc80z | hmmm |
| 01:38.37 | oc80z | did that WebDav question get answered? |
| 01:38.53 | nt4cats | Aye (Preware Alpha as it is today rocks) |
| 01:39.53 | zsoc | oc80z: if it involved devfs2, the answer was "it will probably work if someone bothers to do it" |
| 01:42.36 | VincentLaw | STOP! |
| 01:42.39 | VincentLaw | Hammertime! |
| 01:42.40 | VincentLaw | dances |
| 01:44.02 | ka6sox-work | Aye |
| 01:44.42 | nt4cats | (2 "Ayes", 0 "Nays" -- the "Ayes" have it) |
| 01:44.50 | VincentLaw | I WANT A RECOUNT |
| 01:45.11 | rwhitby | likes giving people the illusion that there is an sort of democracy in play here ... |
| 01:45.22 | rwhitby | s/an/any/ |
| 01:45.29 | VincentLaw | rwhitby: are you, what some would say, a benevolent dictator? :P |
| 01:46.22 | rwhitby | VincentLaw: well, it turns out that any one of about 20 or so people could go and release Preware 0.9.99 at any time |
| 01:47.05 | ka6sox-work | my git-foo is somewhat lame. |
| 01:47.17 | ka6sox-work | but I found a tutorial on how to do that! |
| 01:47.51 | nt4cats | ~git-tutorial |
| 01:47.52 | infobot | methinks git-tutorial is http://www.eecs.harvard.edu/~cduan/technical/git/ |
| 01:48.19 | oil | releases 0.9.donkey |
| 01:48.34 | ka6sox-work | releases 0.9.turkey |
| 01:48.36 | rwhitby | ok, could someone who is running Preware Classic with the testing feed enabled please test the upgrade to Preware 0.9.99 |
| 01:48.41 | nt4cats | releases 0.9.krikey |
| 01:48.42 | VincentLaw | oh no |
| 01:48.44 | VincentLaw | the real question is |
| 01:48.51 | VincentLaw | does 0.9.9999999999999999... = 1? |
| 01:49.02 | oil | running... preware alpha, upgrade to preware, right? |
| 01:49.12 | oil | didn't we need a timer or something on the service restart? |
| 01:49.20 | oil | i thought that was in the way |
| 01:49.22 | nt4cats | rwhitby: I have classic and alpha ... if I use classic does that count, or should I remove alpha and make sure I have the java service? |
| 01:49.23 | rwhitby | oil: nah, I just punted |
| 01:49.27 | oil | ok |
| 01:49.34 | oil | what about rescan weirdness? |
| 01:49.41 | rwhitby | nt4cats: run classic, and accept the update to classic |
| 01:49.49 | rwhitby | oil: it will persist |
| 01:50.16 | oil | really wishes we could figure out what thats all about |
| 01:50.37 | rwhitby | yeah, me too. I expect that will be 1.1.0 :) |
| 01:50.56 | nt4cats | it says preware 0.9.99 and package manager 0.9.46 are set to be updated |
| 01:51.10 | nt4cats | (because 0.9.99 depends on pm *.46 |
| 01:51.18 | rwhitby | nt4cats: it shouldn't |
| 01:51.30 | nt4cats | rwhitby: it does. I haven't clicked anything yet |
| 01:51.47 | rwhitby | ah, that's actually 0.9.38 which is depending. 0.9.99 doesn't |
| 01:52.05 | nt4cats | it told me to update preware ... and then said it also needed to install a dependency |
| 01:52.05 | rwhitby | we need to differentiate that somehow when merging records |
| 01:52.21 | oil | lol |
| 01:52.23 | nt4cats | (so it offered me one upgrade, and then warned me of a dependency) |
| 01:52.31 | rwhitby | nt4cats: should still wokr |
| 01:52.48 | nt4cats | okay, I'll click "update all" |
| 01:52.54 | oil | so we're going 1.0? |
| 01:52.54 | rwhitby | nt4cats: it will upgrade ipkgservice, then upgrade preware (which will remove ipkgservice), then restart java |
| 01:53.00 | oil | then i can change a bunch of stuff? |
| 01:53.00 | oil | xD |
| 01:53.06 | rwhitby | oil: yep |
| 01:53.21 | nt4cats | rwhitby: java is restarting ... |
| 01:53.27 | rwhitby | oil: preware will be the stable branch, preware alpha will become even more alpha |
| 01:53.52 | oil | cause i gotta go in and rip up parts of it to change how it works |
| 01:53.52 | rwhitby | nt4cats: did it update preware before restarting java ? |
| 01:54.27 | nt4cats | preware was updated, so I think the answer to your question must be 'yes' |
| 01:54.30 | rwhitby | oil: and then there's preware next gen which reads XML feeds and doesn't store everything in memory |
| 01:54.31 | oil | java restarts, and then it tries to rescan (which would kill preware) but it can't cause the service is dead |
| 01:55.09 | oil | xml feeds, eww |
| 01:55.31 | oil | json feed, yay |
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| 01:56.00 | nt4cats | it restarted java, then dropped back to the preware update panel, which then went away (presumably because preware was updating/updated). I launched preware again and got the "first time you run a new version of preware" info |
| 01:56.30 | oil | oh, well, thats ok |
| 01:56.30 | nt4cats | hmmm, preware 0.9.99 says there are no packages available ... I can update my feeds, but I'm surprised I need to do that |
| 01:56.35 | oil | im shocked preware went away |
| 01:56.46 | nt4cats | oil: it did, honest. |
| 01:56.57 | oil | no, i believe you |
| 01:57.05 | oil | its just my experience thats never worked quite right xD |
| 01:57.22 | nt4cats | do you want me to poke/look at anything before updating feeds? |
| 01:57.38 | oil | look at what? |
| 01:57.48 | oil | you could go to feed management and make sure its ok |
| 01:58.22 | nt4cats | feed management looks okay |
| 01:58.26 | nt4cats | I'm updating feeds |
| 01:58.45 | nt4cats | now I have 1068 available packages (which seems right) |
| 02:01.26 | jhojho_ | preware alpha going live? |
| 02:01.32 | jhojho_ | aye |
| 02:01.42 | oil | so im not sure i like the new google |
| 02:02.27 | ka6sox-work | jhojho_, you weren't talking about surveys in google groups you meant googledocs right? |
| 02:02.36 | jhojho_ | yes |
| 02:02.51 | rwhitby | nt4cats: installing a new package manager service version always clears the feed cache |
| 02:03.12 | rwhitby | nt4cats: the reason why this happened to you is because you were not up to date on Preware Classic and Package Manager Service already |
| 02:03.14 | jhojho_ | oil: the new google is faceted/guided nav. been done for years in enterprise search |
| 02:03.20 | rwhitby | nt4cats: the good news is that it's designed to work anyway |
| 02:03.33 | jhojho_ | personally, not really a fan. |
| 02:03.37 | oil | jhojho_: doesn't mean that im sure if i like it or not |
| 02:03.40 | oil | lol |
| 02:04.48 | jhojho_ | well, it's rather ironic given that google has been talking for a long time about how faceted nav is meh. and a search engine should just know when you say cardinal if you meant the bird, team or the guy with the funny hat. |
| 02:05.06 | jhojho_ | but whatever =) |
| 02:05.46 | oil | yeah, its weird |
| 02:06.46 | nt4cats | rwhitby: I was mildly surprised but not upset nor scared that the feeds were empty .... just wanted to let you know what I was seeing in case you wanted me to grab a log from somewhere, etc. |
| 02:07.05 | rwhitby | nt4cats: no, thanks for reporting everything |
| 02:07.42 | rwhitby | now, I just need someone who did have package manager service updated to 0.9.46 already to try the upgrade process |
| 02:13.06 | nt4cats | is sleepy ... going to bed. bbt |
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| 02:28.38 | soc | I'm trying to root my pre but i have the following error on a mac....i'm logged in as root, but once i run a command, it states that novaterm ended prematurely |
| 02:41.57 | geist | soc: any command, or a specific command? |
| 02:43.27 | soc | well im new at this. i try one comand : mpt d userial |
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| 02:43.42 | halfhalo | And that does what? |
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| 02:44.20 | soc | then i get a error on the terminal that port closed prematurely |
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| 02:45.06 | soc | but i wanna do it from windows 7 but nova.py won't detect my pre |
| 02:45.24 | soc | novaproxy.py* |
| 02:46.09 | soc | i have webos 1.0.3 what i wanna do is be able to read the spc/msl nuber with qxdm |
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| 02:47.16 | rwhitby | soc: best to ask elsewhere about that. try mobile-files.com |
| 02:48.10 | soc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:48.53 | rwhitby | soc: 1) install Palm SDK according to Palm documentation. 2) run novaterm |
| 02:49.51 | soc | oh ok. i ll try installing the SDK ;) thanks |
| 02:56.40 | JackieRipper | rwhitby: the upgrade to preware 0.9.99 worked fine with the package manager service 0.9.46 already installed, with a bit of oddness |
| 02:57.11 | rwhitby | JackieRipper: what was the oddness? |
| 02:57.13 | JackieRipper | 1) it said that I needed to install the package manager service 0.9.46 (even though it was already installed) |
| 02:59.02 | JackieRipper | 2) when I launched preware 0.9x, the package manager service was not listed in "Installed Packages" but rather in Available Other -> Services (as if it was not installed) |
| 02:59.32 | JackieRipper | I tapped install, restarted java, and now all seems to be well |
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| 03:02.55 | rwhitby | JackieRipper: yes, preware 0.9.99 removes the package manager service |
| 03:03.09 | JackieRipper | it's no longer needed? |
| 03:03.15 | rwhitby | correct |
| 03:03.37 | JackieRipper | why did it make me reinstall, then, I wonder? |
| 03:03.47 | rwhitby | that's the oddness |
| 03:03.48 | JackieRipper | I guess #1 is the only oddness |
| 03:03.51 | JackieRipper | :) |
| 03:13.05 | rwhitby | ok, I've removed ipkgservice from the testing feed - can someone else now try an upgrade to 0.9.99 from Preware classic ? |
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| 04:00.42 | decourl | hey guys, having trouble establishing inbound ssh (connection timed out). sshd is listening on port 222 and accepts connections on the ppp IP from on-box, but not over the verizon network. iptables input chain is 222/tcp friendly on all interfaces. |
| 04:00.57 | decourl | Wondering if this is Verizon filtering inbound? |
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| 04:02.09 | decourl | (sorry it's a little off topic) |
| 04:02.23 | zsoc | preoccupied: hey |
| 04:02.29 | zsoc | preoccupied: i'm on my way out but i need a favor |
| 04:02.45 | zsoc | preoccupied: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/245422-zcorder.html |
| 04:03.07 | zsoc | preoccupied: I need you to migrate the current wiki to the wiki link from the new app (it's in the support scene) so that when people go there it actually works ;) |
| 04:03.15 | zsoc | updating the verbiage would be awesome as well |
| 04:03.34 | zsoc|away | preoccupied: oh, and i need your precentral forum name so i can mention you in the post |
| 04:03.58 | oil | zcorder? |
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| 04:14.26 | idw2k|wirc | so I just envisioned an awesome scenario |
| 04:15.16 | idw2k|wirc | HP produces an HP Print app for WebOS and promptly withdraws the iPhone version from the catalog. |
| 04:15.38 | idw2k|wirc | iPhone users flail about in a futile eage |
| 04:16.56 | idw2k|wirc | err...rage* |
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| 04:21.07 | sethron | upgraded to Preware v0.9.99 :) |
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| 04:21.11 | chris____ | i cant get preware to run on my pre |
| 04:21.53 | chris____ | says " service is not running" |
| 04:22.46 | bpadalino | that's not good |
| 04:23.43 | chris____ | then i try to restart Luna and it says the samething, the service not running |
| 04:24.50 | bpadalino | oh that service isn't associated with luna |
| 04:24.57 | bpadalino | it just sits on the bus in java |
| 04:25.06 | bpadalino | you could try preware alpha |
| 04:25.15 | bpadalino | which uses a c service backend instead of java |
| 04:25.19 | idw2k|wirc | yeah, it would have to be a java restart |
| 04:25.54 | chris____ | so if i restart java maybe thats it? |
| 04:25.59 | bpadalino | maybe |
| 04:26.26 | idw2k|wirc | possibly |
| 04:26.29 | chris____ | my pre have been very very buggy as of late |
| 04:26.40 | bpadalino | might want to doctor ? |
| 04:27.04 | chris____ | oh man the doctor really.......crap |
| 04:27.12 | idw2k|wirc | is there an easy way to install preware alpha without regular preware already working? |
| 04:27.32 | preoccupied | zsoc|away: ok, i'll work on it now |
| 04:27.40 | preoccupied | zsoc|away: i'm "linwiz311" in the forum |
| 04:27.48 | chris____ | and where is the install for alpha? |
| 04:30.42 | chris____ | alpha??? |
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| 04:32.58 | idw2k|wirc | I'm looking at the wiki now |
| 04:33.18 | idw2k|wirc | there may be a bootstrap, but you'd have to have shell access |
| 04:33.51 | sethron | zsoc_wirc: thanks so much for zcorder |
| 04:34.13 | chris____ | i guess not the gas station shell right |
| 04:34.25 | zsoc_wirc | sethron: er... thanks.. do you see it in the feeds? |
| 04:34.41 | sethron | zsoc_wirc: yes |
| 04:34.50 | sethron | with the mic icon :) |
| 04:35.16 | zsoc_wirc | sethron: oh. well then it's just me ha. well I'm in bed. better get some rest ;) ttyl |
| 04:35.37 | sethron | l8t zsoc, sleep well |
| 04:36.02 | preoccupied | zsoc_wirc: dude, i just saw that post in the forum....you have competition lol |
| 04:36.26 | zsoc_wirc | preoccupied: eh. do I look worried? hehe |
| 04:36.57 | preoccupied | zsoc_wirc: lol looks like webos internals is always getting in the way of ppl. first the kernels, and now this app haha |
| 04:37.08 | zsoc_wirc | indeed |
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| 04:39.45 | sethron | preoccupied: what post in the forum are you referring? |
| 04:40.54 | jhowirc | rwithby do you still need someone to test the 0.9.99 preware? I have the .46 pkg mgr service |
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| 04:44.33 | zsoc_wirc | preoccupied: also, please shamlessly link the official zcorder thread from anywhere you see fit :D |
| 04:47.32 | preoccupied | zsoc_wirc: ok, i've done a quick update. |
| 04:48.03 | preoccupied | zsoc_wirc: is there any specific things you would like me to include (other then the link)? |
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| 04:51.53 | preoccupied | zsoc_wirc: i think you should make another post in the pre forum...no one reads the webos internals one... |
| 04:52.23 | oil_pre | needs someone to do his wiki editing... |
| 04:52.32 | halfhalo | lies |
| 04:53.02 | halfhalo | Ahh....Hmmmmm |
| 04:53.14 | halfhalo | Mini says its using⦠209.54GB of VM |
| 04:53.50 | halfhalo | Which is strange, since it only has a 160GB HD in it and no USB HD's attached right now... |
| 04:55.16 | oil_pre | conscripts halfhalo to edit wiki for him |
| 04:55.25 | halfhalo | HA |
| 04:55.26 | halfhalo | No |
| 04:55.35 | halfhalo | Still studying for finals |
| 04:55.41 | oil_pre | ;( |
| 04:56.05 | preoccupied | oil_pre: i would do it....don't have time tonight unfortunately |
| 04:56.11 | preoccupied | what needs to be done? |
| 04:56.54 | oil_pre | nothing, I was just messing around |
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| 05:00.22 | preoccupied | oil_pre: i don't mind...honestly. plus govnah + uber has been really useful. thanks to everyone working on it |
| 05:07.06 | ka6sox | I'm turning in my pre for one of these: http://oldcomputers.net/trs80pc2.html |
| 05:09.05 | oil_pre | nice |
| 05:22.13 | ka6sox | oil_pre: http://www.bernhard-baehr.de/pdp8e/pdp8e.html |
| 05:22.22 | ka6sox | 1st computer I ever worked on. |
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| 05:49.13 | FuMan | oh man |
| 05:49.16 | FuMan | 9.99 |
| 05:52.25 | oil_pre | lol |
| 05:55.11 | oil_pre | next is 0.10.1 |
| 05:56.34 | ka6sox | 0.9.99x |
| 06:02.40 | jhojho__ | 0.9.99.999.9999 |
| 06:04.07 | jhojho__ | whoa irc on the ipad is $8 http://www.pcworld.com/appguide/app.html?id=460300&expand=false |
| 06:04.14 | rwhitby | based on alpha testing reports so far, I expect the next is 1.0.0 |
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| 06:09.17 | hape | morning |
| 06:10.00 | hape | rwhitby: Is there any information about the upstart service in the wiki or forum |
| 06:10.10 | hape | I can not find anything about it |
| 06:10.14 | hape | rwhitby: is there any docu avalable? Could it be used for this idea => http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/245265-patch-req-use-espeak-announce-name-incomming-caller.html |
| 06:10.42 | jhojho__ | rwhitby: got an issue here |
| 06:10.58 | jhojho__ | I have preware 0.9.38 installed on the pre plus |
| 06:11.06 | jhojho__ | and preware alpha installed too |
| 06:11.28 | jhojho__ | if I try to update to preware 0.9.99, it wants to install the package manager service |
| 06:11.52 | jhojho__ | preware alpha is version 0.9.68 |
| 06:11.53 | rwhitby | yep |
| 06:12.00 | rwhitby | just let it do it's thing |
| 06:12.24 | jhojho__ | so it's going to install the service then remove it? |
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| 06:19.00 | jhojho__ | all installed |
| 06:19.06 | jhojho__ | yay |
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| 06:31.26 | hmagoo | wow, anyone ever have the mystery cpu usage and evdo usage until the battery dies or the pre melts problem before? looks like java I think? |
| 06:31.47 | PrimerFender | make stage =D |
| 06:33.55 | ka6sox | hmagoo, what kernel? |
| 06:34.16 | hmagoo | really don't want to doctor, but umm... I had uber installed, but have since removed and installed the stock kernel, still going strong |
| 06:34.38 | ka6sox | bummers...would have liked to find the melting point :D |
| 06:35.10 | hmagoo | I can't even charge the damn thing without it getting hot, I think USB would probably work, when I get around to trying it out, because it seems like the lowest voltage |
| 06:35.24 | hmagoo | or wattage or something... |
| 06:36.10 | ka6sox | do you still have Govnah installed? |
| 06:37.39 | PrimerFender | I've been using 800mhz kernel since 1.4, and it has become "hot" a couple of times, it gets "warm" when charging on Touchstone or wall/car outlet, and I think it's normal on computer USB |
| 06:37.49 | PrimerFender | but I've never been scared it was going to cook off |
| 06:38.03 | ka6sox | computer USB is limited to 500ma |
| 06:38.09 | PrimerFender | yeah |
| 06:38.36 | idw2k|wirc | my pre always gets hot when charging, but the cpu itself has never climbed over 49 |
| 06:39.02 | ka6sox | 2 different places being heated. |
| 06:39.03 | hmagoo | I have govnah installed |
| 06:39.28 | PrimerFender | i gotta say, huge performance diff, everything is nice and snappy. but as far as battery life I have not really noticed a difference; it hasn't changed my charging habits at all |
| 06:39.32 | hmagoo | I doubt thats the reason why the evdo being used |
| 06:39.42 | ka6sox | hmagoo, probably not |
| 06:39.59 | ka6sox | is this a sprint pre or verizon? |
| 06:40.04 | PrimerFender | how can you tell the evdo usage? |
| 06:40.15 | hmagoo | I remember someone having the same problem in one of the old scaling threads last summer, but don't know if they had a solution |
| 06:40.25 | hmagoo | PrimerFender: the icon |
| 06:40.35 | hmagoo | sprint |
| 06:40.52 | PrimerFender | oh, I thought maybe there was some other more scientific way |
| 06:41.11 | ka6sox | hmagoo, whats the highest you have seen the CPU temp? |
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| 06:41.35 | hmagoo | if I ps -aux | grep java or something it should show all the java apps loaded? |
| 06:41.52 | jhojho__ | woke up the other day to find the pre at 60(!) degrees |
| 06:41.59 | PrimerFender | yikes! |
| 06:42.17 | jhojho__ | took it off the charger right quick |
| 06:42.19 | ka6sox | jhojho__, was it on a touchstone? |
| 06:42.26 | jhojho__ | no, just wall wart |
| 06:42.27 | hmagoo | ka6sox: I think like 50, I also have jason's temp patch installed so I don't even know what it does at a certain temp |
| 06:42.38 | jhojho__ | strange thing was it wasnt even running anything |
| 06:42.42 | hmagoo | the 50 was without charging |
| 06:43.04 | ka6sox | jason't temp patch looks @ the battery? |
| 06:43.09 | hmagoo | right |
| 06:43.21 | jhojho__ | the conservative governor has been pretty good about not creating high temps |
| 06:43.33 | hmagoo | yeah unless you have mystery usage |
| 06:43.38 | ka6sox | jhojho__, thats the one I use. |
| 06:43.59 | hmagoo | I mean it did not mealt, but my battery did drain for about 70-0 in a few hours |
| 06:44.16 | ka6sox | I have that happen in marginal areas. |
| 06:44.21 | jhojho__ | prehaps there should be a patch that auto throttles the speed once the temp reaches a certain point |
| 06:44.46 | rwhitby | or a governor |
| 06:44.53 | rwhitby | or a configurable service |
| 06:44.54 | hmagoo | there will be once they decide on ranges |
| 06:44.54 | ka6sox | jhojho__, I'm trying to characterize the Pre temps so that the Governor can do that. |
| 06:45.17 | jhojho__ | I think anything over 45 is cause for alarm |
| 06:45.25 | hmagoo | why wouldn't a reboot fix this |
| 06:45.35 | jhojho__ | had the pre hit 50 running mobile hotspot... |
| 06:45.52 | ka6sox | jhojho__, 50deg is only 124deg F |
| 06:46.07 | rwhitby | jhojho__: you can get a Pre to 50 easily at 600MHz |
| 06:46.10 | ka6sox | when the pre is in a CAR it can get that hot. |
| 06:46.12 | jhojho__ | rwhitby: do you remember off the top of your head the operating range for the 3540? |
| 06:46.36 | ka6sox | TI doesn't give specs for a 3430 |
| 06:46.41 | jhojho__ | i know |
| 06:46.47 | ka6sox | but they DO give specs for a 3530 |
| 06:46.56 | ka6sox | 0-90degC |
| 06:47.01 | jhojho__ | 3530 I meant |
| 06:47.05 | jhojho__ | gak |
| 06:47.12 | jhojho__ | I cant even imagine 90C |
| 06:47.17 | ka6sox | oh I can. |
| 06:47.39 | ka6sox | I've only heated my pre up to 65 once |
| 06:47.51 | jhojho__ | anything that's too hot to carry is too much imo =) |
| 06:48.05 | ka6sox | thats CPU core temp |
| 06:48.08 | jhojho__ | I rather it err on the conservative side. |
| 06:48.47 | ka6sox | jhojho__, me too...after watching it for a while I think that 65 is where I'd like to start throttling back...the temp spikes in <1second |
| 06:49.06 | ka6sox | it can jump 9-11degC in <1sec. |
| 06:49.13 | jhojho__ | I watched govnah after taking it off the charger at 60C |
| 06:49.30 | jhojho__ | it started dropping right away |
| 06:50.10 | ka6sox | mine idles with the screen off @ 19C and when normally working is between 34-45C |
| 06:50.24 | jhojho__ | dropped 30degrees in a couple of mins. |
| 06:50.34 | jhojho__ | pretty crazy |
| 06:50.45 | ka6sox | the Battery has a LOT more mass than the SoC |
| 06:51.41 | ka6sox | playing quake with performance @ 800mhz gets it up to 60C |
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| 06:53.03 | ka6sox | jhojho__, I'm working on converting the Survey to a googledoc. |
| 06:53.14 | jhojho__ | cool |
| 06:53.34 | jhojho__ | would be interesting to chart the *lowest* temp too =) |
| 06:53.47 | jhojho__ | I've seen it as low as 17 or 18... |
| 06:53.52 | ka6sox | putting it in the freezer doesn't count. |
| 06:54.05 | PrimerFender | I stuck mine in the microwave |
| 06:54.14 | PrimerFender | left it for a few seconds |
| 06:54.24 | hmagoo | don't you think some of the other components are more sensitive to temps, that might be affected when the whole thing turns into a hot potato? |
| 06:54.25 | PrimerFender | and tried to call it - went straight to voicemail |
| 06:54.33 | jhojho__ | no, this was just sitting on the table. I was surprised. |
| 06:54.51 | hmagoo | trying to call it sounds like you were making a bomb? |
| 06:55.02 | jhojho__ | hmagoo: possible. not well understood since we do not have enough info. |
| 06:55.25 | ka6sox | hmagoo, the SoC is probably the most sensitive thing. the Battery would be second. |
| 06:55.31 | hmagoo | I don't want to use the cpu for long if it is 60C and stuck inside a little plastic box |
| 06:56.31 | ka6sox | hmagoo, thats why I'm trying to gather as much information as I can. so we can let the governors start throttling back. |
| 06:59.03 | PrimerFender | the radiation shielding in the microwave blocked the celluar signal |
| 07:00.20 | ka6sox | good...otherwise I'd say replace the microwave. |
| 07:01.43 | jhojho__ | preplus is at 22C right now using screenstate |
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| 07:03.37 | ka6sox | okay now the spreadsheet function has the survey stuff built right in...nice |
| 07:03.48 | ka6sox | no more surveymonkey |
| 07:06.10 | hmagoo | well, I'm plugging it into usb and going to ssh in and see if I can find whats going nuts |
| 07:06.47 | hmagoo | I installed Xserver I think and some other things, but never really did much with any of it |
| 07:06.53 | ka6sox | I use WiFi to ssh into it and keep it plugged into the little round charger. |
| 07:07.23 | hmagoo | yeah I use wifi too, but charging with USB, think it will be a little cooler |
| 07:07.41 | ka6sox | oh, for sure. |
| 07:08.09 | hmagoo | dr. podder doesn't do anything in the background unless "auto-update" is enabled pretty sure |
| 07:08.10 | ka6sox | well, I've got a start on the survey tonight...should finish it up early tommorrow then post to P|C. |
| 07:08.54 | hmagoo | you know when I went into jstop "launcher" had like 1000 nodes is that abnormal? |
| 07:09.37 | ka6sox | dunno. |
| 07:09.57 | ka6sox | after midnight here...tommorrow comes early. nn |
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| 07:15.24 | PrimerFender | is jstop a command line program? |
| 07:16.47 | hmagoo | no, app |
| 07:17.19 | hmagoo | how do I look at active net connections? |
| 07:18.14 | PrimerFender | netstat |
| 07:18.35 | PrimerFender | i will check my jstop |
| 07:20.07 | rwhitby | PrimerFender: so you seem to have a development background - what itch are you scratching at the moment ? |
| 07:21.11 | PrimerFender | That's the sad thing, I don't have a dev background, just played with lego a lot :-) I want to compile the apache with webdav so I can transfer files wirelessly using native os clients. And in the process learn more stuff :-) |
| 07:21.35 | PrimerFender | It was either that, or learn how to program and fix the mod_webdav in Lighttpd |
| 07:21.42 | PrimerFender | and I figured this would take less time lol |
| 07:22.33 | rwhitby | PrimerFender: apache is going to be fairly heavyweight for that task if you're considering leaving it running |
| 07:22.41 | PrimerFender | hmagoo: my launcher has 376 nodes, preware has 537, systemui has 115, everything else is double-digit |
| 07:22.56 | rwhitby | PrimerFender: what's the issue with mod_webdav in lighty? |
| 07:23.07 | PrimerFender | Yes, I think so too |
| 07:23.13 | PrimerFender | but I want to try |
| 07:23.16 | hmagoo | thanks PrimerFender, my launcher has over 1000 right upon rebooting, but maybe because I have alot of icons/pages |
| 07:24.02 | PrimerFender | they don't support all the featuers/methods of webdav for 1, and the ones they do have implemented are not fully there yet |
| 07:24.11 | PrimerFender | mostly writing files and locking |
| 07:24.23 | PrimerFender | i can read a file, but trying to grab a folder doesn't work |
| 07:24.28 | hmagoo | think I'll just shut the phone off and fix it tomorrow, thanks all for your help |
| 07:24.34 | rwhitby | PrimerFender: you've tried everything in http://www.daemon.de/PalmPreHowtoWebdav ? |
| 07:24.39 | PrimerFender | i write a simple text file that is maybe 1 K, but anything large and no dies |
| 07:24.42 | PrimerFender | dice* |
| 07:24.46 | PrimerFender | no folder copying |
| 07:24.57 | PrimerFender | yeah, that's actually where I started |
| 07:25.28 | PrimerFender | I can get it working, i've watched logs, I've found their bug fix list etc. and that was my conclusion |
| 07:29.30 | hmagoo | exit |
| 07:29.40 | hmagoo | heh |
| 07:31.03 | ka6sox | quit |
| 07:31.06 | ka6sox | kill -9 |
| 07:31.36 | rwhitby | killall hmagoo |
| 07:32.00 | PrimerFender | from the lighttpd wiki: The WebDAV module is a very minimalistic implementation of RFC 2518. Minimalistic means that not all operations are implemented yet. |
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| 07:33.46 | PrimerFender | The good news is, i was able to get Apache compile from Source to work on this little netbook and all webdav opterations work from my mac os x and windows 7 computers so now I just need to try cross-compile and stripping apache down as small as I can make it too suit my needs :-) |
| 07:33.57 | PrimerFender | and then have a little swith to turn it on or off |
| 07:34.06 | PrimerFender | switch* |
| 07:34.33 | rwhitby | PrimerFender: you can use upstartmgr to do that |
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| 07:36.14 | PrimerFender | I haven't looked into that yet, is that a webOS app for running the commands I would otherwise be doing with the Terminal? |
| 07:38.52 | rwhitby | it's a service that allows you to start and stop upstart jobs |
| 07:39.14 | rwhitby | so you just create an upstart job for apache, and then use that service for the mojo to control it |
| 07:40.53 | PrimerFender | Sweet! |
| 07:41.03 | PrimerFender | I'll have a look if I can get that far :-D |
| 07:41.14 | PrimerFender | In the meantime, I am off to bed. Thanks for your help, all |
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| 07:54.02 | jhojho__ | bbl |
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| 08:35.28 | bigbadblo | anyone on who might be interested in helping me for a minute? re: ez-ipupdate conf |
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| 09:05.13 | Gollyzila|comp | I've been having many luna restarts with Preware v0.9.99 |
| 09:06.04 | Gollyzila|comp | I'm switching back to Preware Alpha. I know, that sounds dumb, going from a RC to an alpha, but for me Preware Alpha was pretty stable. |
| 09:06.30 | Gollyzila|comp | I've documented my experiences with Preware RC on the Preware Alpha thread |
| 09:06.44 | Gollyzila|comp | alright now. gnight |
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| 09:33.16 | rwhitby | heh - Preware Alpha and Preware 0.9.99 are identical in every way. |
| 09:33.36 | rwhitby | that shows how subjective such reports are |
| 09:36.49 | idw2k|wirc | indeed |
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| 09:40.32 | swisstomcat | morning |
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| 09:52.33 | rwhitby | hey swisstomcat |
| 09:52.35 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/sets/72157624009973040/ |
| 09:52.43 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 09:52.46 | swisstomcat | hey rwhitby |
| 09:52.49 | swisstomcat | i'm back home |
| 09:53.19 | swisstomcat | oh, fancy under-skirt pics of the pre :) |
| 10:08.56 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: back |
| 10:09.06 | swisstomcat | cool pics |
| 10:09.11 | swisstomcat | i'm back home |
| 10:09.15 | swisstomcat | finally |
| 10:09.18 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: I have two devices apart now |
| 10:10.02 | swisstomcat | i have the device i received from nebula with me |
| 10:10.08 | rwhitby | one boots, but the screen is dead. The other booted for a while, but no longer |
| 10:10.49 | swisstomcat | a developer from france asked if he could borrow it until he gets his own device |
| 10:12.35 | swisstomcat | would that be possible or is it already reserved for another dev? |
| 10:14.03 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: who is the dev? are they working on open source stuff? will they come here? |
| 10:14.25 | swisstomcat | warpdesign, he's on here sometimes |
| 10:14.38 | swisstomcat | don't know his open-source stance yet |
| 10:14.59 | swisstomcat | but i can find out |
| 10:18.02 | swisstomcat | on a related note .. what can i contribute next? translate govnah? |
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| 11:00.52 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: I would prefer to supply the device to someone who is going to contribute here |
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| 11:26.42 | swisstomcat | i understand |
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| 11:35.53 | DrFunk | anyone know if there is a patch for email to do a spell check ? |
| 11:46.04 | en0x | write one |
| 11:50.37 | DrFunk | lmao |
| 11:51.09 | DrFunk | en0x: funny guy you r |
| 11:52.21 | DrFunk | off to never never land |
| 11:53.39 | DrFunk | so en0x you don't know of anything ? |
| 11:59.04 | idw2k|wirc | I believe autocorrect works in email, and there are patches that add to the autocorrect dictionary and allow you to edit it |
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| 12:03.09 | en0x | DrFunk: what idw2k|wirc sai |
| 12:03.10 | en0x | d |
| 12:04.53 | idw2k|wirc | I think that's the best you're gonna get |
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| 12:35.54 | mobgod | hello |
| 12:36.37 | swisstomcat | hello |
| 12:38.08 | mobgod | sup swisstomcat |
| 12:39.05 | mobgod | swisstomcat maybe u can help me looking to see where the pre installs the video files |
| 12:39.23 | swisstomcat | which video files? |
| 12:40.22 | mobgod | the ones u take |
| 12:41.18 | mobgod | my brother downloaded so videos from youtube but to send the files or upload them i believe they have to be where the pre stores videos you shoot |
| 12:42.12 | swisstomcat | hmm |
| 12:42.14 | swisstomcat | let me check |
| 12:43.55 | mobgod | k |
| 12:45.38 | swisstomcat | can't even find them on my phones usb partition |
| 12:46.06 | idw2k|wirc | hmm |
| 12:46.41 | idw2k|wirc | ./media/internal/DCIM/100PALM |
| 12:47.18 | swisstomcat | i only see pictures there |
| 12:47.20 | idw2k|wirc | without the period at the beginning, obviously |
| 12:47.43 | idw2k|wirc | have you taken any videos? |
| 12:47.53 | en0x | they are in /media/internal/Downloads |
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| 12:47.56 | en0x | not in DCIM |
| 12:47.57 | mobgod | let me look one sec |
| 12:48.54 | mobgod | en0x yea but i need to know where the videos are that i taken so i can move the files from downloads to thee |
| 12:48.57 | mobgod | there* |
| 12:49.21 | idw2k|wirc | weird. mine are in DCIM |
| 12:49.22 | swisstomcat | yeah, i've taken videos |
| 12:49.29 | idw2k|wirc | looking at them right now |
| 12:49.33 | mobgod | hmmm |
| 12:49.36 | mobgod | one sec |
| 12:49.50 | idw2k|wirc | just launched one and watched it |
| 12:49.59 | en0x | mobgod: the taken videos are in DCIM... |
| 12:50.05 | swisstomcat | huh .. weird |
| 12:50.08 | swisstomcat | now i see them too |
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| 12:50.28 | idw2k|wirc | that's what he was asking |
| 12:50.47 | en0x | no shit sherlock ;d |
| 12:52.04 | idw2k|wirc | heh |
| 12:52.54 | mobgod | lmao |
| 12:53.02 | mobgod | thanks guys |
| 12:53.15 | mobgod | off to work |
| 12:53.21 | mobgod | glad i have wirc lol |
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| 13:04.41 | swisstomcat | meow nt4cats |
| 13:05.01 | nt4cats | pfft-pfft! |
| 13:30.37 | sbromwich | rwhitby: ping |
| 13:32.57 | rwhitby | sbromwich: hey |
| 13:36.16 | sbromwich | the defconfig patches to sirloin seem to be getting overridden, do you have any great aversion to me patching the .config directly? |
| 13:39.16 | rwhitby | sbromwich: why are they getting overridden? |
| 13:39.59 | sbromwich | I think I'm making so many changes that there's some other defconfig that's coming along later in the chain and changing them |
| 13:40.16 | sbromwich | I think it might be the inlining change that's getting ignored that's making it fail to boot |
| 13:40.21 | rwhitby | sbromwich: your patches are last, right? |
| 13:40.25 | sbromwich | yup |
| 13:40.59 | sbromwich | the FOLK patch is the very last one, if I diff the resulting config against the one I generated the folk diff from there's multiple settings that are different |
| 13:41.20 | rwhitby | can you send me the config you want to end up with? |
| 13:41.20 | sbromwich | including some fairly crucial ones like the inlining |
| 13:41.27 | sbromwich | sure, sec |
| 13:42.06 | sbromwich | www.fop.ns.ca/pre/config.141-19.1_bobafett |
| 13:49.06 | sbromwich | idly wonders if rwhitby had a heart attach after looking at that |
| 13:49.15 | sbromwich | s/attach/attack/ |
| 14:01.41 | nt4cats | hmmm "heart attach" ... implying that he has/had no heart prior to said event? |
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| 14:02.03 | nt4cats | has long theorized that Rod is a robot, so that would all make sense |
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| 14:10.50 | rwhitby | sbromwich: putting my daughter to bed |
| 14:11.35 | ka6sox | 11pm++ |
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| 14:14.56 | sbromwich | rwhitby: fixing the emergency department to not have a single point of failure (*sigh*) |
| 14:21.41 | nt4cats | infobot: rwhitby-time is http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=5 |
| 14:21.41 | infobot | nt4cats: okay |
| 14:22.39 | nt4cats | that is late for a kid, I hope is daughter is something like 25 |
| 14:24.21 | rwhitby | infobot: hammer-time is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo |
| 14:24.21 | infobot | rwhitby: okay |
| 14:24.41 | rwhitby | nt4cats: she woke up |
| 14:25.46 | nt4cats | rwhitby: I've got a 5 year-old and a 9 year-old at home, I've figured it was something like that |
| 14:26.43 | nt4cats | rwhitbu: ... and unless the photos I found of you when cyber-stalking you via google were taken very long ago, you're not quite old enough for a 25 year-old daughter |
| 14:26.56 | nt4cats | s/rwhitbu/rwhitby/ |
| 14:27.40 | rwhitby | nt4cats: heh - that photo is about 15 yrs old :) |
| 14:27.43 | nt4cats | (and not too many 25 year-olds get put to bed by their parents, well, except for a bunch of the people here) |
| 14:28.39 | ka6sox | heh |
| 14:29.33 | nt4cats | is infobot's source code available? I want to add a feature/function |
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| 14:33.24 | rwhitby | sbromwich: cat: folk/defconfig-folk.diff: No such file or directory |
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| 14:35.31 | sbromwich | uh what? |
| 14:35.38 | sbromwich | how... interesting |
| 14:35.53 | sbromwich | I did a git mv to rename it to .diff and did a commit and push |
| 14:35.57 | sbromwich | let me retry |
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| 14:36.39 | rwhitby | sbromwich: did you update the Makefile to -22 ? |
| 14:36.49 | sbromwich | git clone says it's there |
| 14:36.53 | sbromwich | ohhhhhh |
| 14:37.05 | rwhitby | sbromwich: I'll push it |
| 14:37.05 | sbromwich | needs to try not updating this stuff late at night. |
| 14:37.09 | sbromwich | thanks :-) |
| 14:37.49 | sbromwich | 1 question... might "git mv" be better called "git cp"? looks like the original not .diff file is still there |
| 14:40.17 | rwhitby | 32 out of 32 hunks ignored |
| 14:40.33 | sbromwich | errrrr? |
| 14:40.48 | sbromwich | that's all sorts of weird |
| 14:41.05 | rwhitby | oh, first chunk has a date in it for a start |
| 14:41.09 | sbromwich | I diffed it against the defconfig after all the other patches were applied, that's the right order? |
| 14:41.28 | rwhitby | and it doesn't have a file header |
| 14:41.32 | sbromwich | sleep dep ftl :-( |
| 14:41.41 | rwhitby | let me have a go at it |
| 14:41.44 | sbromwich | god knows what I did then |
| 14:41.46 | sbromwich | thanks :-) |
| 14:42.14 | sbromwich | essentially what I tried to do was diff my .config against the sirloing defconfig and use that |
| 14:42.23 | sbromwich | that was my intention, anyway |
| 14:42.29 | sbromwich | it sounds like... I might not have :-/ |
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| 14:47.44 | rwhitby | diff -BurN |
| 14:48.33 | sbromwich | that's the thing... I'm diffing .config against sirloin defconfig |
| 14:49.13 | sbromwich | force inlining is I think the biggie but I suspect there's lots of other settings (IVA et al) that are crucial |
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| 14:52.54 | rwhitby | sbromwich: actually, can you look at the problem now we know what it is? I need to put the camera fix into uber-kernel and get it into testing |
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| 14:55.46 | sbromwich | the Makefile? |
| 14:56.00 | sbromwich | or the defconfig-folk.diff? |
| 14:57.45 | sbromwich | ok I see Makefile is done |
| 14:59.05 | sbromwich | should I patch my config against the default .config after patches are applied? |
| 15:01.29 | sbromwich | *sigh* I have to head in to emerg I'll pick this up later |
| 15:01.30 | sbromwich | laters |
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| 15:01.55 | zsoc_wirc | mornin |
| 15:02.56 | rwhitby | zsoc_wirc: morning WHE |
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| 15:03.20 | zsoc_wirc | rwhitby: 'your excellency' is fine |
| 15:03.26 | rwhitby | zsoc_wirc: you need to create another thread in the general section of PreCentral with a subject line that mentions audio recording ... |
| 15:03.54 | swisstomcat | hey zsoc |
| 15:04.37 | rwhitby | zsoc_wirc: is http://forums.precentral.net/2428123-post10.html correct? |
| 15:04.40 | zsoc_wirc | rwhitby: I bumped some thread in devel. I didn't want to hijack the others guys thread in Palm Pre heh |
| 15:05.06 | rwhitby | zsoc_wirc: I took a look at his service code. it's just a simple call to arecord |
| 15:06.10 | zsoc_wirc | rwhitby: yes arecord :) also what you said is correct more or less |
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| 15:07.25 | swisstomcat | rwhitby: no word from engineering yet regarding the background services disappearing .. apparentlyt they're busy with other things |
| 15:09.00 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: once everyone is using the C service, it should be easier to debug |
| 15:10.10 | swisstomcat | if the problem still appears then |
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| 15:36.40 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: -21 is in the webos-kernels/testing feed |
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| 15:54.17 | rwhitby | bbt |
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| 16:09.25 | morphis | rwhitby: you disassebled the Pre? |
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| 16:12.24 | RamsesFSFE | morphis: the Kernel is Linux, and for Linux, the source code is available. It's free software. |
| 16:13.19 | morphis | RamsesFSFE: I know, but why do you tell me this? |
| 16:13.43 | RamsesFSFE | morphis: "rwhitby: you disassebled the Pre?" |
| 16:14.11 | RamsesFSFE | you don't need to disassemble something of which you can get the source code |
| 16:14.30 | morphis | ah, I mean he disassembled the hardware, not the software :) |
| 16:15.23 | RamsesFSFE | how can hardware be disassembled? |
| 16:16.06 | morphis | hm, I think "take a part" is more preciser? |
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| 16:18.22 | RamsesFSFE | maybe :-) |
| 16:18.36 | morphis | ok :) |
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| 16:43.34 | johnboy_ | can anyone tell me why preware doesnt load on my phone |
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| 16:47.17 | johnboy_ | preware just sits there and flashes does anyone know how to fix this |
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| 16:56.15 | PrimerFender | BTW, i have 2cats |
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| 16:59.44 | nt4cats | It is unhealthy to have more than 2. |
| 16:59.46 | nt4cats | (cats) |
| 16:59.50 | nt4cats | I have 3, by the way. |
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| 17:06.21 | nt4cats | bbiam |
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| 17:40.20 | PrimerFender | unhealthy? |
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| 17:58.49 | ka6sox | My mother-in-law had 21 when I first met her. |
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| 18:03.39 | PrimerFender | wth?! |
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| 18:26.50 | nt4cats | Palm-branded Pre car charger -- $12 at radio shack. Two spots over from it they had a micro-usb cable for $28. There is a micro-usb cable in this box (and it came with the auto power converter) |
| 18:30.49 | loot_ | i considered making modifications so that i could install a touchstone in my car |
| 18:31.03 | loot_ | but i think the phone would fall off of it too easily |
| 18:31.28 | dtzWill | loot_: try it :D. i was thinking about it the other day |
| 18:31.29 | zsoc_wirc | nt4cats: that's normal for retail |
| 18:31.33 | dtzWill | i'd imagine someone here's tried it..... |
| 18:31.43 | loot_ | dtzWill: i could try without mods i guess |
| 18:31.49 | loot_ | it does have a pretty sticky bottom (the touchstone) |
| 18:31.58 | nt4cats | zsoc_wirc: pfft! Like you'd know anything about the retail business |
| 18:32.05 | dtzWill | i think depending on the surface the puck itself would stay just fine |
| 18:32.11 | zsoc_wirc | true that |
| 18:32.12 | loot_ | but |
| 18:32.21 | dtzWill | and unless you drive a race car the phone itself would be okay, although not sure. |
| 18:32.22 | zsoc_wirc | dtzWill: my friend has one installed |
| 18:32.31 | dtzWill | zsoc_wirc: see, knew someone'd try it :D. and? |
| 18:32.35 | loot_ | i do think vibrations, bumps, hard cornering/acceleration/braking would make the phone fall off of it |
| 18:32.46 | loot_ | and i do drive "spiritedly" on a daily basis |
| 18:32.48 | dtzWill | i assumed you say 'has installed' as opposed to 'tried that' because it works? |
| 18:32.55 | dtzWill | haha "spiritedly" xD |
| 18:33.23 | loot_ | lets put it this way |
| 18:33.27 | zsoc_wirc | no it stays well. strong magnet |
| 18:33.38 | loot_ | i have fought several reckless driving charges in the last 3 years |
| 18:33.39 | loot_ | lol |
| 18:33.46 | dtzWill | loot_: well if you CRASH it might go flying |
| 18:33.59 | loot_ | nah, i accelerate and brake pretty hard |
| 18:34.04 | loot_ | and i definitely corner hard |
| 18:34.32 | loot_ | i push my car as close to 1g in the corner as i can get without losing traction |
| 18:34.35 | loot_ | :P |
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| 18:34.56 | loot_ | 1g in 2 axis would probably make the phone go flying |
| 18:36.25 | gimpy530 | Just doctored my phone, installed PW, but now it won't finish loading package info, it's stuck on "Palm-catalog" and the feed manager doesn't list any feeds so I can't disable it.' |
| 18:36.47 | halfhalo | Heh |
| 18:36.56 | halfhalo | I push my car right up to the point that ABS kicks in |
| 18:37.11 | loot_ | my cars not stock |
| 18:37.14 | loot_ | i dont have ABS anymore |
| 18:37.16 | loot_ | lol |
| 18:37.22 | halfhalo | Mines been tweaked a little |
| 18:37.48 | halfhalo | but it has none of those "fancy" features like traction control |
| 18:37.52 | halfhalo | Only ABS |
| 18:38.03 | loot_ | i pulled the fuse on my ABS unit on purpose |
| 18:38.16 | loot_ | it messes with me during hard braking |
| 18:38.22 | loot_ | i'd rather have the control myself |
| 18:38.36 | loot_ | pulsating pedals and awkward cornering during hard braking is not fun |
| 18:38.41 | halfhalo | I didn't, purely because I don't know if I have any brakes left atm |
| 18:38.45 | loot_ | plus i have a stick anyways |
| 18:38.54 | loot_ | hah |
| 18:39.00 | loot_ | ya i have carbon ceramic brakes |
| 18:39.02 | halfhalo | Ah, see, I have a 4sp auto |
| 18:39.14 | loot_ | and z rated run flats |
| 18:39.21 | halfhalo | Yeah, I have an older highlander |
| 18:39.22 | loot_ | 40's so they're rubber band thin |
| 18:39.23 | loot_ | lol |
| 18:39.27 | halfhalo | Its got no fancy crap |
| 18:39.35 | halfhalo | but it DOES play xvid |
| 18:40.22 | loot_ | im surprised my poor car still runs after the things ive done to it |
| 18:40.35 | loot_ | i red line it on a daily basis going to/from work |
| 18:40.41 | halfhalo | As you should |
| 18:40.45 | loot_ | every time theres a clearing in traffic i floor it |
| 18:40.48 | loot_ | lol |
| 18:41.15 | halfhalo | Fun fact: |
| 18:41.50 | halfhalo | I can crank the wheel and floor it with my front tires in a puddle and drench people for 2 seconds before AWD kicks in |
| 18:43.29 | loot_ | lol |
| 18:47.25 | nt4cats | http://www.flickr.com/photos/natsturner/4586686685/in/set-72157606446581213/ |
| 18:47.40 | nt4cats | if you look closely you can see my beer sitting to the left of my monitor |
| 18:47.48 | nt4cats | I think I'll have another one now |
| 18:48.24 | loot_ | lol |
| 18:51.03 | nt4cats | I just looked closely and this shot of me working has my left monitor 100% occupied by #webos-internals |
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| 19:04.42 | zsoc_wirc | nt4cats: hahahahaha |
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| 19:09.56 | nt4cats | .. but my gray shirt and dark chair make it hard to tell if I'm skinny or fat |
| 19:10.23 | nt4cats | (but the 2 beers at work has no bearing on my weight) |
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| 19:23.06 | nt4cats | "zcorder" is not quite as good as "DrewCorder", but I still approve |
| 19:25.17 | zsoc_wirc | nt4cats: I'm glad. |
| 19:25.45 | en0x | i'm so sleepy |
| 19:25.45 | en0x | :S |
| 19:25.46 | Lumiere_ | zsocorder? |
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| 19:27.31 | nt4cats | I spent 6 minutes (in total) on two separate occasions testing it for you. I was disappointed that I didn't get two or three paragraphs of thanks in the Precentral story |
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| 20:20.58 | nt4cats | Lambic Llama or Languid Lemur or Lofty Lorax or whatever they call the 10.4 release of Ubuntu is pretty |
| 20:21.25 | nt4cats | (the name isn't pretty, the install screens and stock art they include with it are) |
| 20:22.30 | nt4cats | I'm still not installing it as the main/host OS on my laptop, however. |
| 20:27.32 | swisstomcat | yeah, looks pretty |
| 20:27.41 | swisstomcat | updated my 9.10 machine yesterday |
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| 20:41.30 | nt4cats | train arriving soon, be back online later |
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| 21:27.11 | JesusMcCloud | is there a way to costomize the hardcoded launcher icon on the right side ? |
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| 21:27.52 | kmcmill4 | I am having trouble installing preware |
| 21:28.22 | kmcmill4 | can anyone help me out? |
| 21:28.44 | phil_bw | yawns |
| 21:28.46 | phil_bw | sure |
| 21:28.53 | phil_bw | unless a mac is inloved |
| 21:29.00 | phil_bw | involved* |
| 21:29.22 | kmcmill4 | I'll never use a mac |
| 21:29.23 | kmcmill4 | haha |
| 21:29.26 | kmcmill4 | thank you |
| 21:29.31 | phil_bw | so what's goin on? |
| 21:29.34 | kmcmill4 | im using windows 7 |
| 21:29.44 | kmcmill4 | I downloaded the webos doc |
| 21:29.45 | phil_bw | as am I, so far no probs |
| 21:30.22 | kmcmill4 | i am following the instructions on this site |
| 21:30.38 | phil_bw | which instructions? (there's a number of ways to install Preware) |
| 21:30.42 | kmcmill4 | well when i try to install the preware it wont let me |
| 21:30.56 | kmcmill4 | tells me to make sure the pre is in developer mode, which it is |
| 21:31.28 | phil_bw | are you using the stand-alone installer or going through webos quick install? |
| 21:31.34 | kmcmill4 | i'm just not sure what to do, i thought i did everything correctly |
| 21:31.50 | kmcmill4 | im not using quick install |
| 21:32.06 | phil_bw | generally if one method doesn't work I'll try the other |
| 21:32.09 | kmcmill4 | this site said to use preware alpha isntaller |
| 21:32.19 | kmcmill4 | http://get.preware.org/ |
| 21:32.53 | phil_bw | umm, you don't *need* preware alpha |
| 21:33.00 | phil_bw | did you try the regular installer too? |
| 21:33.23 | kmcmill4 | not sure, what do you mean by regular isntaller? |
| 21:33.43 | phil_bw | Preware Alpha is the new version that hasn't been officially released |
| 21:33.50 | kmcmill4 | ok |
| 21:34.04 | phil_bw | I'm not using it but from what I understand it works well but for you I'd try the other one first |
| 21:34.19 | kmcmill4 | ok so where should i go form here? |
| 21:34.39 | halfhalo | go here: http://yvettesbridalformal.com/index.htm |
| 21:34.46 | halfhalo | and then gouge your eyes out |
| 21:35.06 | kmcmill4 | haha thanks |
| 21:35.33 | phil_bw | did you try the other installer? |
| 21:35.49 | kmcmill4 | I'm not sure what you mean by other installer? |
| 21:35.59 | kmcmill4 | quick install? |
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| 21:36.04 | phil_bw | on this site: http://get.preware.org/ |
| 21:36.15 | phil_bw | there is prewarealphainstaller |
| 21:36.18 | phil_bw | and prewareinstaller |
| 21:36.23 | phil_bw | try the non-alpha version |
| 21:37.13 | kmcmill4 | k just did, same screen pops up telling em to put it in developer mode and blah blah blah |
| 21:37.59 | phil_bw | alright, then follow these directions: http://www.precentral.net/how-add-homebrew-apps-patches-and-themes |
| 21:39.17 | phil_bw | get WOSQI installed then go to tools, device management. If everything is setup correctly it'll pull up your device info, if not it'll give an error |
| 21:39.23 | kmcmill4 | you're saying use the webOs quick install? |
| 21:39.33 | phil_bw | if it'll work, then use it to install Preware |
| 21:42.14 | kmcmill4 | its saying i need web doctor |
| 21:42.26 | kmcmill4 | i already installed tha tand reset my phone, it took like a half hour |
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| 21:43.31 | kmcmill4 | i guess i should jsut do it again? |
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| 21:51.00 | kmcmill4 | ok I've got the webOs quick install open |
| 21:51.10 | kmcmill4 | how do i install preware now? |
| 21:53.27 | phil_bw | did you go to tools, device management? |
| 21:55.05 | kmcmill4 | yes |
| 21:55.45 | kmcmill4 | it recognizes my pre |
| 21:55.51 | phil_bw | does it pull up without any errors? |
| 21:55.57 | kmcmill4 | yes |
| 21:56.01 | kmcmill4 | shows all my apps |
| 21:56.10 | phil_bw | perfect |
| 21:56.29 | phil_bw | close that screen and click the blue arrow |
| 21:56.42 | kmcmill4 | k |
| 21:56.52 | phil_bw | let me know when you're on that screen |
| 21:56.57 | kmcmill4 | there |
| 21:57.12 | phil_bw | change feed to webos internals |
| 21:57.15 | kmcmill4 | ima t a library and they are kicking me out so i might lose my internet connection |
| 21:57.37 | phil_bw | well that'll make installing this difficult |
| 21:57.41 | kmcmill4 | haha |
| 21:57.43 | kmcmill4 | ok i got it |
| 21:57.53 | phil_bw | you should see Preware and Package Manager Service |
| 21:58.00 | phil_bw | check both of those and click ok |
| 21:58.08 | phil_bw | it'll show them in the box ready to install |
| 21:58.14 | phil_bw | just click install and you're golden |
| 21:58.29 | kmcmill4 | i do not see thsoe |
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| 21:58.34 | kmcmill4 | wait |
| 21:58.38 | kmcmill4 | yes i do |
| 21:58.55 | kmcmill4 | thanks you so much |
| 21:59.02 | phil_bw | no prob, have fun |
| 21:59.14 | kmcmill4 | it doesnt look like they are ready to isntall tho |
| 21:59.26 | phil_bw | did you check their two boxes and click close? |
| 21:59.38 | kmcmill4 | i saw them download, but they are not int he quick install screen |
| 21:59.58 | phil_bw | uhh, try it again |
| 22:01.56 | JesusMcCloud | is there a way to costomize the hardcoded launcher icon on the right side ? |
| 22:03.26 | JesusMcCloud | can one still manually set cpu scaling as described in the wiki or were there some sysfs path changes since the time the wiki article was updated (some time in 2009) |
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| 22:07.10 | JesusMcCloud | (i dont want to install a patch liek this from within preware since i dont know whats happenign exaclty) |
| 22:07.18 | JesusMcCloud | nevermind i'll just take a peek into the ipk |
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| 22:11.05 | JesusMcCloud | uNiXpSyChO, ping |
| 22:11.19 | uNiXpSyChO | ACK |
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| 22:12.32 | JesusMcCloud | uNiXpSyChO, can one still manually set cpu scaling as described in the wiki or were there some sysfs path changes since the time the wiki article was updated (some time in 2009) |
| 22:13.09 | uNiXpSyChO | for what kernel and governor are you referring to? |
| 22:13.17 | JesusMcCloud | (just got my pre 2 days ago and i know my way around linux) |
| 22:13.44 | JesusMcCloud | i have webOs 1.4.1 installed (checking sysinfo now) |
| 22:15.34 | uNiXpSyChO | If you have a stock Pre with no kernel upgrades then the fastest you can go is 600Mhz with the normal sysfs changes. But the speed will be overridden during normal usage of the phone. |
| 22:16.24 | JesusMcCloud | uNiXpSyChO, i dont care about 600mhz (i woudl have instelles your uberKernel package if i wanted to go faster... i care about dynamic frequency scaling |
| 22:17.04 | uNiXpSyChO | Then use the normal sysfs parameters |
| 22:17.27 | JesusMcCloud | so the sysfs paths are still the same |
| 22:17.35 | uNiXpSyChO | yes |
| 22:18.26 | JesusMcCloud | thx! that's all i needed to know, will write myself a neat skript now |
| 22:20.16 | JesusMcCloud | uNiXpSyChO, one more thing: govnah is basically a gui frontend for sysfs calls and an init skript? |
| 22:21.58 | uNiXpSyChO | there is no init script. yes, sysfs. |
| 22:22.36 | JesusMcCloud | uNiXpSyChO, (no init skript) so i have to start it up everytime i reboot? |
| 22:22.47 | uNiXpSyChO | yes |
| 22:23.11 | JesusMcCloud | in that case i'll go an write my skript, thx |
| 22:24.03 | rwhitby | JesusMcCloud: govnah will get init script functionality when we work out how to break reset loops |
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| 22:24.57 | rwhitby | JesusMcCloud: note that you can look at all patches on patches.webos-internals.org - I think there's a link for the source to each there. if not, they are all in a git repo. |
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| 22:25.03 | rwhitby | (a public git repo) |
| 22:25.15 | halfhalo | eww, public repos |
| 22:25.33 | JesusMcCloud | rwhitby, i did not know that (got my pre 2 days ago) thanks! |
| 22:25.48 | JesusMcCloud | (why the heck isnt ssh running... it worked before rebooting |
| 22:26.08 | rwhitby | JesusMcCloud: do you have openssh server installed from Preware? |
| 22:26.13 | JesusMcCloud | sure |
| 22:27.07 | JesusMcCloud | (i am also an openmoko user and bought the pre to hopefully be able to help on getting gnu/linux to run on the pre alongside webos) |
| 22:27.35 | rwhitby | JesusMcCloud: I have 2 GTA01 and 2 GTA02 (one of each working) |
| 22:27.42 | rwhitby | JesusMcCloud: I did the MokoMakefile |
| 22:27.48 | JesusMcCloud | ohh nice |
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| 22:28.07 | kmcmill4_ | phil bw you still around? |
| 22:28.07 | JesusMcCloud | in that case: pleased to meet you |
| 22:28.33 | JesusMcCloud | what do i have to press to get tab-completion in terminus? |
| 22:28.37 | rwhitby | JesusMcCloud: I get the feeling you're gonna be contributing some stuff, so great to meet you too. |
| 22:29.09 | phil_bw | ah yes I am |
| 22:29.13 | phil_bw | dunno why it didn't flash |
| 22:29.18 | JesusMcCloud | rwhitby, i dont like that... i prefer to be underestimated :-P |
| 22:29.26 | kmcmill4_ | first of all, thank you greatly |
| 22:29.32 | phil_bw | no prob |
| 22:29.45 | kmcmill4_ | so preware is now on my phone, i restarted it, and its an app |
| 22:30.12 | kmcmill4_ | so now, do i still need to use webOs quick install? or can i do everything from preware on my pre? |
| 22:30.32 | phil_bw | you can do it all from preware now |
| 22:30.43 | phil_bw | unless it's a custom patch/package that's not in a feed |
| 22:30.53 | kmcmill4_ | quick install is nto recognizing my pre anymore |
| 22:32.34 | kmcmill4_ | i tried to reinstall novacom but it didnt seem to do anything |
| 22:33.13 | phil_bw | sometimes you gotta screw with it |
| 22:33.20 | phil_bw | it'll go |
| 22:34.17 | kmcmill4_ | so i want to download a theme, can i do that on my pre through preware? |
| 22:34.35 | phil_bw | yep |
| 22:34.48 | kmcmill4_ | how do i get ot themes? |
| 22:34.51 | JesusMcCloud | woohoo restart helped, ssh is back! |
| 22:35.16 | kmcmill4_ | sorry, i'm not really getting this, and its much more helpful to talk to you than look up stuff online |
| 22:35.19 | phil_bw | have you launched preware yet? |
| 22:35.25 | kmcmill4_ | i appreciate your help |
| 22:35.26 | kmcmill4_ | yes |
| 22:35.51 | phil_bw | have you clicked anything? |
| 22:36.09 | kmcmill4_ | i did some packages updates |
| 22:37.03 | phil_bw | click available packages and tell me what you find between "Service" and "Unknown" |
| 22:37.45 | kmcmill4_ | nothing |
| 22:37.59 | kmcmill4_ | its goes: plugin, service, unknown |
| 22:38.45 | phil_bw | goto manage feeds from the menu and see if either of the theme feeds is included |
| 22:39.03 | hmagoo | top |
| 22:39.07 | hmagoo | heh |
| 22:39.25 | phil_bw | kid woke up, brb |
| 22:39.38 | kmcmill4_ | no sir |
| 22:39.38 | hmagoo | I can't stop java from eating cpu and battery |
| 22:39.52 | phil_bw | you need to enable them |
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| 22:42.08 | Volcom45 | was told to read the Govnah application page on webosinternals for the answer to my question and I don't see the answer.. is there a way for Govnah to save your governor profile after a reboot? mine always goes back to uberspace |
| 22:43.45 | Tibfib | Volcom45: it is like that on purpose. to stop bad settings causing infinited reboots |
| 22:43.58 | Tibfib | infinite* |
| 22:46.12 | Volcom45 | lol for someone that reboots as frequently as I do, thats rather inconvenient :P |
| 22:46.34 | Volcom45 | ah well.. |
| 22:46.39 | Volcom45 | still an amazing app |
| 22:46.45 | ka6sox-work | Volcom45, putting it in a bad governor would be a guaranteed mess. |
| 22:47.37 | ka6sox-work | Volcom45, put a bounty out on getting the settings into save/restore app :D |
| 22:48.00 | ka6sox-work | ~holygrailofhomebrew |
| 22:48.14 | ka6sox-work | ~hgoh |
| 22:48.14 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hgoh is the Holy Grail of Homebrew, which can be found at http://bit.ly/holy-grail-of-homebrew |
| 22:48.18 | halfhalo | infobot FAIL |
| 22:48.18 | infobot | somebody said fail was YOU FAIL. |
| 22:48.21 | JesusMcCloud | uNiXpSyChO, i have a problem: i dont have permission to write to /etc/event.d even though i am root (atleast the temrinal tells me that) |
| 22:48.44 | ka6sox-work | there...I found it...my foo isn't that broken |
| 22:48.56 | hmagoo | did you mount -o remount,rw |
| 22:49.07 | hmagoo | JesusMcCloud: ^ |
| 22:49.09 | JesusMcCloud | aaaah sure |
| 22:49.17 | JesusMcCloud | <- noob |
| 22:49.56 | Volcom45 | ka6sox-work: I ditched the 720mhz patch for this uberkernal+govnah after hearing all the praise on twitter, but didn't realize I'd have to set my speed after every reboot/luna restart again :P sorta alot of extra work |
| 22:50.51 | ka6sox-work | Volcom45, you would be HATING us if we forced you to Doctor your phone because it got put in a reboot loop because of bad settings. |
| 22:51.05 | halfhalo | Yup |
| 22:51.11 | Volcom45 | that never happened with the 800mhz or 720mhz patches though |
| 22:51.34 | Volcom45 | I guess I'm a bit unclear on what the difference is |
| 22:51.38 | halfhalo | It did for some phones |
| 22:51.41 | ka6sox-work | you have MUCH more fllexibility with Govnah to select different governors. |
| 22:51.49 | ka6sox-work | and options. |
| 22:52.13 | Volcom45 | I'll learn to get used to it :P |
| 22:52.20 | Volcom45 | thanks for the answers |
| 22:53.01 | rwhitby | Volcom45: auto-restart will come as soon as we work out how to do it safely |
| 22:53.37 | Volcom45 | thx rwhitby |
| 22:54.12 | rwhitby | Volcom45: the developers hate having to restart it as much as you do, but we've also experienced reboot loops when testing new kernels and it is not pretty |
| 22:54.28 | Volcom45 | hehe okay, that makes sense :) |
| 22:55.33 | Volcom45 | by the way, huge props to all of you for zcorder, you guys truly are amazing |
| 22:55.38 | rwhitby | uber-kernel 1.4.1-21 is released to the public feeds |
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| 22:55.55 | Volcom45 | that the one that fixes the camera freeze? |
| 22:56.11 | halfhalo | oh god, now the praise is going to go straight to zsoc's head |
| 22:56.50 | kmcmill4 | i know there are one screenkeyboards, but can someone help me out, im trying to stinall one |
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| 22:59.50 | nt4cats | is downloading the fedora 13 release candidate now -- I can never wait for the actual release day |
| 23:08.04 | JesusMcCloud | ~botsnack |
| 23:08.04 | infobot | JesusMcCloud: aw, gee |
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| 23:19.36 | rwhitby | you know, I think we've done three Uber-Kernel releases now, in about the same time it takes to watch the SPK video ... |
| 23:20.10 | uNiXpSyChO | ouch... that had to hurt someone. |
| 23:22.03 | idontwan2know | hahaha |
| 23:22.06 | idontwan2know | Nice! |
| 23:22.33 | idontwan2know | And less time than it takes to read one of the SPK install posts. |
| 23:23.09 | idontwan2know | With the gratuitous use of colored text. |
| 23:23.26 | JesusMcCloud | i just setup a script for cpu freq scaling... i am really courious if this is gonna work w/o problems |
| 23:23.35 | idontwan2know | HTML is a dangerous weapon in the wrong hands. |
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| 23:34.21 | RMind | what is IVA2? |
| 23:35.51 | uNiXpSyChO | Image, Video, Audio accelerator |
| 23:35.53 | Lumiere | has anyone had the pre screen go green and flicker? |
| 23:36.16 | Lumiere | they keyboard also doesn't respond that well |
| 23:36.20 | jhojho_ | rwhitby: have you by any chance measured how much mem is saved by going to C from java for the pkg mgr service? |
| 23:36.37 | rwhitby | nope |
| 23:36.40 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 23:37.29 | JesusMcCloud | jhojho, i dont expect it to be much since java is already runngin... correct me if i'm wrong i'm a webos newbie |
| 23:37.32 | Fuddbob | Hey my Palm Pre give me an error when I try to save or share a picture |
| 23:38.20 | jhojho_ | JesusMcCloud: since no one has measured, you are either right or wrong =) |
| 23:38.34 | Fuddbob | ? |
| 23:39.04 | JesusMcCloud | depending on what you're doing you might get better results when sticking to java |
| 23:39.06 | jhojho_ | 2 pres = 2 updates to run each time there is a new kernel... |
| 23:39.07 | nt4cats|phillies | jhojho_: Jesus' logic makes sense to me, however I'm an empiricist so I that's not quite sufficient |
| 23:39.23 | jhojho_ | nt4cats|phillies: well me too =) |
| 23:40.03 | jhojho_ | one bonus of running at faster speeds is lunasysmgr restarts faster when it crashes for no reason ... |
| 23:40.21 | uNiXpSyChO | Luna never crashes |
| 23:40.29 | jhojho_ | lol |
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| 23:41.01 | nt4cats|phillies | jhojho_: it is crashing for a very good reason. You looked at it, or thought about it, or something important like that |
| 23:41.06 | uNiXpSyChO | i suspect Palm will put the new C service in its own cpu domain |
| 23:41.17 | ka6sox-work | uNiXpSyChO, lives on another planet where that never happens. |
| 23:41.24 | Fuddbob | Hey my Palm Pre give me an error when I try to save or share a picture |
| 23:41.42 | nt4cats|phillies | Fuddbob: which application are you using? |
| 23:41.46 | jhojho_ | uNiXpSyChO -21 does not yet fix the screenstate for low brightness settings does it? |
| 23:41.58 | Fuddbob | Web |
| 23:42.01 | uNiXpSyChO | i reboot way too often to notice a Luna crash... my kernels crash it for me |
| 23:42.29 | uNiXpSyChO | jhojho_: -16 fixed it enough so it wont upset people. -21 is an IVA fix. |
| 23:42.56 | uNiXpSyChO | i am still trying to find a reliable way to tell if the Pre is on the Puck |
| 23:43.15 | RMind | I just bought a touchstone :D |
| 23:44.11 | Fuddbob | Any help? |
| 23:44.44 | jhojho_ | wanders off to look at kernel git repo |
| 23:45.03 | nt4cats|phillies | Fuddbob: This crowd is into Pre homebrew stuff, and is not always the best for general Pre problems. |
| 23:45.27 | jhojho_ | hey this folk defconfig patch is not in unified diff format |
| 23:45.31 | uNiXpSyChO | jhojho might be alarmed with the number of changes |
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| 23:45.48 | uNiXpSyChO | jhojho_: yeah. i think it was deleted |
| 23:46.22 | RMind | yay for a day of GPS testing |
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| 23:48.43 | RMind | didn't you guys start with the palm kernel and their patches? or was the IVA thing not in their kernel? |
| 23:49.45 | uNiXpSyChO | the IVA was overclocked... and it apparently doesnt like that for now. i;m sure TI will give us a fix. |
| 23:50.32 | uNiXpSyChO | debating on upgrading to Fedora 12. |
| 23:50.58 | nt4cats|phillies | uNiXpSyChO: fedora 13 will be released in a week |
| 23:51.00 | RMind | so... the palm kernel doesn't have that fix in it yet? |
| 23:51.12 | nt4cats|phillies | uNiXpSyChO: I just downloaded the release candidate, will put it on my laptop this weekend |
| 23:51.35 | uNiXpSyChO | nt4cats|phillies: i had bad luck with pre-release fedora. i'm nervous. |
| 23:52.00 | RMind | uNiXpSyChO, apt-get install debian |
| 23:52.01 | RMind | ;) |
| 23:52.32 | uNiXpSyChO | RMind: i dont mind Debian. its anything Ubuntu i despise, loathe, detest, abominate, etc... |
| 23:52.38 | nt4cats|phillies | uNiXpSyChO: well I'll do it this weekend and tell you how it is |
| 23:52.43 | jhojho_ | uNiXpSyChO: do you know if -21 is now pulling in sbromwich's changes such as the makefiletune? |
| 23:53.05 | nt4cats|phillies | uNiXpSyChO: ... but F12 is very nice, too, if you're the paranoid sort |
| 23:53.15 | uNiXpSyChO | jhojho_: i think it is just pulling the prcm stuff |
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| 23:53.58 | jhojho_ | the various defconfig patches in different dirs is getting hard to read what is being enabled |
| 23:54.03 | jhojho_ | and what is turned off |
| 23:54.03 | uNiXpSyChO | nt4cats|phillies: i'm not that paranoid. but fedora seems to break BT A2DP audio all the time. and i live for A2DP. |
| 23:54.14 | nt4cats|phillies | 2010-05-07 19:45:32 (1.24 MB/s) - âFedora-13-x86_64-DVD.isoâ saved [3629953024/3629953024] |
| 23:54.19 | PrimerFender_wIR | hello! |
| 23:54.27 | uNiXpSyChO | jhojho_: look at the makefile to see what its pulling |
| 23:54.58 | uNiXpSyChO | nt4cats|phillies: good choice. 64bit all the way! |
| 23:54.58 | nt4cats|phillies | makes a note for himself: 'type A2DP into Google later so you can pretend you know what that is' |
| 23:55.28 | uNiXpSyChO | lol |
| 23:55.46 | zsoc|souls | nt4cats|phillies: stereo bluetooth |
| 23:56.07 | uNiXpSyChO | over BT |
| 23:56.07 | nt4cats|phillies | zsoc: thanks :) |
| 23:56.29 | uNiXpSyChO | oops |
| 23:56.35 | uNiXpSyChO | foot in mouth |
| 23:56.49 | zsoc|souls | ftw |
| 23:57.05 | jhojho_ | uNiXpSyChO: oops. I dont think 21 is pulling the prcm patch from what I'm reading |
| 23:57.10 | nt4cats | uNiXpSyChO: I can paste something zsoc said last night that was better/worse |
| 23:57.13 | nt4cats | :) |
| 23:57.15 | PrimerFender_wIR | bluetooth over bluetooth? |
| 23:57.36 | uNiXpSyChO | nt4cats: nothing can be worse than what i just said |
| 23:57.36 | RMind | PrimerFender_wIR, I'm sure someone could find a use for it |
| 23:57.40 | zsoc|mets | nt4cats: please no, at least make him search for it |
| 23:57.49 | jhojho_ | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=kernels/uber-kernel-pre/Makefile;h=b57ba881c2c87c90ac0e408f6bc8b0cf62ed3ec9;hb=77e9ae8eeafd45630269150a58a7ee0c89e3a450 |
| 23:58.02 | uNiXpSyChO | is too drunk to use search function |
| 23:58.03 | halfhalo | god I hate this website my speech class uses |
| 23:58.14 | jhojho_ | oh rwhitby .... |
| 23:58.43 | uNiXpSyChO | jhojho_: oh. guess its not. i thought it was... maybe before it was? |
| 23:58.57 | jhojho_ | I think it was before. |
| 23:59.07 | jhojho_ | need to ask sbromwich / rwhitby to confirm |
| 23:59.25 | jhojho_ | i'm trying to backtrack through the patches right now |
| 23:59.40 | nt4cats | ~rwhitby-time |
| 23:59.41 | infobot | from memory, rwhitby-time is http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=5 |
| 23:59.43 | jhojho_ | too bad preware/build.git has other stuff mixed in |