| 00:00.36 | PuffTheMagic | http://images.4chan.org/b/src/1275436625183.jpg |
| 00:05.10 | halfhalo | lol |
| 00:05.48 | Sedorox | so it it usual for the secure erase to lock up? |
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| 00:46.41 | oc80z | whats good |
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| 01:17.01 | nt4cats | ~rwhitby-time |
| 01:17.02 | infobot | from memory, rwhitby-time is http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=5 |
| 01:17.43 | nt4cats | It is light-sweater weather in Adelaide this morning |
| 01:18.02 | Sedorox | anyone rememeber what the original fuss was over the Pre battery? |
| 01:18.16 | halfhalo | the fact it was crap, you mean? |
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| 01:18.33 | nt4cats | ~smack halfhalo |
| 01:18.34 | infobot | ACTION smacks halfhalo upside the head. |
| 01:18.43 | halfhalo | ~shoot nt4cats |
| 01:18.44 | infobot | ACTION shoots nt4cats in the foot with a glue gun! |
| 01:18.51 | halfhalo | I can live with that |
| 01:19.12 | RMind | that wpuld still hurt |
| 01:19.59 | Sedorox | well I remember something about where it was made |
| 01:20.08 | RMind | especially if it wasn't one of the low temp ones |
| 01:20.16 | Sedorox | one of then having issues, while another was fine (cell origin) |
| 01:20.17 | rwhitby | nt4cats: what's up? |
| 01:20.43 | nt4cats | rwhitby: mornin'. I have a iso that is ~200MB smaller if anyone wants to try it ... |
| 01:20.45 | Sedorox | reason I ask is, I got a replacement pre, and they actually sent a battery along... but not sure if I shoudl take the newer, or keep my original batt (as it was fine) |
| 01:21.51 | nt4cats | rwhitby: ... and right now it pulls the latest script out of my S3 bucket (this is fine with me -- it'd take bajillions of downloads before I'd notice) ... but I imagine that the webos-internals team would be happier if there was a webos-internals.org (or related) URL burned-in instead |
| 01:22.16 | halfhalo | I wish I had an s3 account... |
| 01:22.25 | nt4cats | rwhitby: (e.g. a bit.ly URL that pointed to storage managed by your team, etc.) |
| 01:22.59 | nt4cats | halfhalo: it doesn't cost anything to sign up with AWS ... and if you don't store very much there it'll literally cost you $0.05/mo |
| 01:24.18 | nt4cats | sedrox: If you can give the new battery a spin and make sure it seems okay -- in general the newer one probably has less cycles on it, so I'd keep that one ... but you can't really know if the battery they sent you really has fewer cycles on it |
| 01:25.05 | Sedorox | yea, true, I was thinking about that as I do have 15 days still before I have to send it back |
| 01:25.35 | Sedorox | I forgot how nice a working power button is :p |
| 01:25.47 | nt4cats | rwhitby: ... and I'm also thinking that it might make sense to make a much smaller non-GUI .iso for people who are afraid of a 400MB .iso download |
| 01:25.59 | halfhalo | whats this iso for? |
| 01:26.10 | nt4cats | halfhalo: a 'novaterm bootstrap' LiveCD |
| 01:26.10 | Sedorox | and the foam in the battery area is gone.. it's more of a solid plastic that spans the entire area, so it isn't as noticable |
| 01:26.25 | halfhalo | bah |
| 01:26.27 | halfhalo | novaterm |
| 01:26.37 | rwhitby | nt4cats: ok, I can probably test this in VirtualBox on my osx laptop |
| 01:26.53 | nt4cats | halfhalo: it's most helpful for windows users who are trying to get a command-line prompt on their webOS devices. |
| 01:27.10 | halfhalo | Heh |
| 01:27.26 | halfhalo | I always install the linux crap in my windows installation |
| 01:27.34 | halfhalo | Because not have ls pisses me off |
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| 01:31.41 | nt4cats | rwhitby: there's nothing fancy here -- the LiveCD image (after booting) has a /webos-internals/ directory -- in there you'll find a "download and execute the latest novaterm-bootstrap.sh" script. This script currently has a URL hardcoded to point to my S3 bucket -- if you'd like I can change that to a bit.ly or webos-internals.org URL. |
| 01:32.07 | nt4cats | rwhitby: ... and the GUI desktop has a "novaterm bootstrap" icon on it that runs the aforementioned script. |
| 01:33.00 | nt4cats | rwhitby: the rest of the 'work' I did all has to do with figuring out how to remix an Ubuntu LiveCD (and change things like the desktop icon, isolinux configuration, etc.) |
| 01:33.59 | rwhitby | nt4cats: if the script is at gitoriuos, then we can always change it later when we decide where the iso goes |
| 01:34.22 | nt4cats | I'm going to go watch a show with my lovely wife ... I'll peek back at the irc a few times, and I'll be checking my e-mail via my Pre. My e-mail address is {first name}@{last name}.com -- and my first name is Drew and my last name is DeNardo. |
| 01:34.38 | halfhalo | goes to sign him up for spam |
| 01:35.25 | nt4cats | rwhitby: the novaterm-bootstrap.sh script is on gitorious ... but the "download and execute the latest novaterm-bootstrap.sh" script that is burned onto the CD is not there (it literally is the bootstrap that makes this work) |
| 01:35.44 | nt4cats | rwhitby: that way we can update the functionality without [ever] having to update the CD |
| 01:35.54 | halfhalo | ehhhh |
| 01:36.04 | halfhalo | I fear issues with that concerning networks |
| 01:36.08 | halfhalo | or lack therof |
| 01:36.32 | nt4cats | halfhalo: if you don't have a network you can't download the novaterm install files. We cannot redistribute them |
| 01:36.54 | halfhalo | true⦠does it only download the bootstrap once, or every launch? |
| 01:36.56 | nt4cats | halfhalo: this script downloads them for you and then installs them |
| 01:37.11 | nt4cats | halfhalo: it's a LiveCD. Every launch is the first ever :) |
| 01:37.56 | halfhalo | not if you set it up with persistant storage. Which would rock for laptops. or a LiveUSB thing |
| 01:38.17 | halfhalo | is spouting nonsense |
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| 01:50.43 | bpadalino | palm pre is on the advertisement on the back of my Microwaves & RF magazine |
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| 02:01.58 | datafirm | Hello. |
| 02:02.05 | halfhalo | hi |
| 02:02.35 | datafirm | Is there a shell script out there to dump the appropriate tables from PalmDatabase.db3 for SMS backup? |
| 02:03.27 | halfhalo | No idea, although others here might |
| 02:04.48 | bpadalino | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Tutorials_Export_Text_Messages_Using_Perl - YMMV and be careful and yadda yadda |
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| 02:06.27 | zsoc | its getting it back in that's tough |
| 02:06.42 | halfhalo | Must |
| 02:06.44 | halfhalo | resist |
| 02:06.47 | halfhalo | TWSS... |
| 02:07.48 | datafirm | heh |
| 02:07.50 | datafirm | OK |
| 02:08.52 | datafirm | I was hoping to find a way to import them :) |
| 02:09.03 | datafirm | of course Im on different webOS versions.. :-/ |
| 02:14.10 | bpadalino | :\ |
| 02:14.18 | bpadalino | the wiki could use such information :) |
| 02:14.25 | bpadalino | how to migrate and save the information |
| 02:14.50 | datafirm | bpadalino: yeah, assuming the schemas have not changed, it should not be so hard. |
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| 02:22.51 | datafirm | any ideas on how to re-initiate the download of all your previously downloaded apps? |
| 02:31.10 | bpadalino | check for updates ? |
| 02:31.22 | bpadalino | or the app catalog? |
| 02:32.39 | rwhitby | datafirm: Save/Restore can save SMS messages |
| 02:32.49 | rwhitby | (but not restore them) |
| 02:33.13 | datafirm | :) seems to be a common trend. I just like to see the list of names who I corresponded with. |
| 02:33.18 | datafirm | on my phone! |
| 02:34.43 | rwhitby | write something which takes the list from SMS and turns it into a .csv which you can import into Google Contacts and then sync back to your phone |
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| 03:07.10 | oc80z | hey |
| 03:07.13 | oc80z | zsoc |
| 03:07.45 | zsoc | yes? |
| 03:08.18 | oc80z | we need to record w/o sound. |
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| 03:08.46 | oc80z | video recording w/o sound. |
| 03:08.57 | zsoc | explain to me how that makes sense please |
| 03:09.28 | oc80z | when recording police make an arrest. |
| 03:09.37 | oc80z | the person will not be charged with wiretapping. |
| 03:09.47 | oc80z | (the person video recording) |
| 03:09.56 | zsoc | if you're talking about america, you're going to be arrested just for suggesting that |
| 03:10.06 | zsoc | you have no freedom, and law does not apply to law enforcement |
| 03:10.11 | zsoc | maybe 20 years ago i would have considered it |
| 03:10.12 | oc80z | we have freedom |
| 03:10.16 | oc80z | we are free to do as we are told. |
| 03:11.01 | oc80z | really??? |
| 03:11.11 | oc80z | i thought it was just sound. |
| 03:11.31 | zsoc | anyway, just buy a small cam and mount it in your car :p |
| 03:11.46 | zsoc | besides, you probably wouldn't be concerned about that unless you sell drugs, so stop selling drugs |
| 03:11.58 | oc80z | yeah re: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl7WWkQrkyo |
| 03:13.57 | oc80z | bbl, tnx. |
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| 04:00.17 | JackieRipper | oc80z, there's no law against recording sound in NY, as long as at least one party being recorded is aware of the recording. |
| 04:00.33 | JackieRipper | it varies state by state |
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| 06:32.31 | hape | rwhitby: :-) whe had the same idea. Thaks that you commented it too |
| 06:33.06 | rwhitby | hape: yp |
| 06:33.26 | rwhitby | hape: I'm getting widk to work on Ubuntu 10.4 right now |
| 06:33.56 | hape | I'm on 9.10 and will stay ther. Hope it will still work |
| 06:35.06 | rwhitby | I expect it will |
| 06:36.03 | hape | rwhitby: espeak Makefile should work now every time. So my plan is to start working on the autobuilder Makefile when I find the time. This should work now as there are no PDK dependencies |
| 06:36.22 | rwhitby | hape: we now have a new autobuilder instance (tinker) that can build cross-compile.git |
| 06:36.43 | rwhitby | so now we can start merging build.git and cross-compile.git |
| 06:37.12 | hape | rwhitby: wow, dose this mean we do not need to create a new Makefile, only adefinition in the new autobuilder? |
| 06:37.27 | rwhitby | hape: that I do not know yet |
| 06:37.49 | rwhitby | it may be possible to merge the two Makefiles into one |
| 06:37.57 | rwhitby | and do building and packaging in the one Makefile |
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| 06:42.54 | hape | ok, let's see. Then I wait until I get more information on what need to be done |
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| 06:48.36 | hape | rwhitby: I did a quick look into the makefiles in the guild.git. For me they look very simualr to the once from the once I know from the cross-compile.git. Only some definitions are added at the beginning for the autobilder. Or I'm wrong? |
| 06:48.55 | rwhitby | hape: yes, they are pretty close |
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| 06:48.59 | hape | s/guild.git/build.git/ |
| 06:49.14 | rwhitby | hape: the two were designed to eventually be merged together |
| 06:49.51 | hape | fasination on the work you do there again and agin. Where do you find teh time beside famely and job? |
| 06:50.06 | hape | I'm hay if I find the time for the little stuff that I do |
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| 08:07.49 | k\- | on windows, when attempting to use novaterm for a USB device, should the target be "localhost"? |
| 08:15.14 | k\- | hmm, ssh to localhost will have to just suffice for now... thanks guys.. =) |
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| 11:36.16 | sbromwich | rwhitby: ping |
| 11:36.24 | rwhitby | sbromwich: hi |
| 11:36.30 | sbromwich | hey rwhitby |
| 11:36.38 | sbromwich | I've been chasing down battery drain problems |
| 11:36.51 | sbromwich | I have a nasty suspicion govnah might not be helping matters :-/ |
| 11:37.18 | Lumiere_ | sbromwich: govnah does pull a lot of data and store it |
| 11:37.19 | rwhitby | if you leave govnah running, yes, it will wake up the processor every second |
| 11:37.27 | sbromwich | watching dbus monitor it's waking up extremely frequently, removing it has extended my battery life quite significantly |
| 11:37.32 | sbromwich | oh. |
| 11:37.41 | sbromwich | if it's every second that would explain it |
| 11:37.42 | rwhitby | if you're concerned at all with battery life, you close govnah after you've applied a profile |
| 11:37.52 | Lumiere_ | the graphing |
| 11:37.55 | sbromwich | oh, yes, this is with govnah closed |
| 11:37.57 | Lumiere_ | every second |
| 11:37.58 | rwhitby | there is a preference to change the periodicity up to 1 minute |
| 11:38.00 | sbromwich | it's the govnah service itself |
| 11:38.15 | rwhitby | no, govnah service does nothing on it's own. |
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| 11:38.25 | rwhitby | perhaps you have a patch installed which calls the service? |
| 11:38.29 | sbromwich | hmmm... there must be something else going on then |
| 11:38.35 | rwhitby | or the battery monitor? |
| 11:38.42 | sbromwich | perhaps I must,,,, perhaps I am going to have fun times tracing it down :-/ |
| 11:38.48 | sbromwich | killed that too |
| 11:39.00 | rwhitby | just look to see which app is calling it in the dbus-util --capture govnah |
| 11:39.28 | sbromwich | I should have kept that before dumping govnah :-/ |
| 11:39.33 | sbromwich | let me reinstall and give it another whirl |
| 11:39.36 | en0x | i probably should switch to the new kernel |
| 11:39.42 | en0x | i still use the old 720Mhz kernel |
| 11:39.45 | en0x | oO |
| 11:40.08 | rwhitby | en0x: so you're running a webos 1.4.0 kernel on your 1.4.1 device |
| 11:40.15 | en0x | yap |
| 11:40.32 | rwhitby | guess you don't have a verizon preplus then |
| 11:40.32 | en0x | i never got a chance to switch or will to do it |
| 11:40.37 | en0x | sprint pre |
| 11:41.05 | rwhitby | I really hope the next webos version breaks kernel compatibility |
| 11:41.23 | en0x | ok im removing the old kernel |
| 11:41.28 | en0x | and i will puytthe new one |
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| 11:41.40 | swisstomcat | afternoon |
| 11:41.41 | sbromwich | I'm really hoping the next webos version has a newer kernel |
| 11:41.48 | sbromwich | afternoon swisstomcat |
| 11:42.02 | en0x | i'm hoping the next webos version will make ice cream |
| 11:42.30 | sbromwich | en0x: don't set your sights so low, aim for dancing girls and beer |
| 11:42.40 | en0x | ;] |
| 11:42.47 | swisstomcat | i'm hoping for some nifty hardware to run it on |
| 11:42.59 | Lumiere | swisstomcat: *cough* tablet *cough& |
| 11:43.01 | Lumiere | ;) |
| 11:43.04 | swisstomcat | yes |
| 11:43.08 | swisstomcat | i'd buy that |
| 11:43.16 | en0x | tablet wont come up till end of the year |
| 11:43.20 | Lumiere | I'll buy it if it isn't too expensive |
| 11:43.21 | en0x | i want new phone tho |
| 11:43.21 | swisstomcat | i can wait |
| 11:43.28 | swisstomcat | my pre is falling apart |
| 11:43.33 | Lumiere | en0x: I want a phone that feels like a brick <_< |
| 11:43.35 | en0x | sbromwich, mine too :( |
| 11:43.39 | Lumiere | not as heavy as one |
| 11:43.44 | en0x | and i'm on a second one |
| 11:43.53 | Lumiere | I am on a second and need to go get it replaced |
| 11:43.54 | swisstomcat | i don't want to hold a brick to my ear |
| 11:44.11 | Lumiere | swisstomcat: I want somewhat light (a little heavier is ok) but solid |
| 11:44.17 | Lumiere | NO OREO |
| 11:44.20 | swisstomcat | yeah |
| 11:44.28 | swisstomcat | i have oreo and touchscreen troubles |
| 11:44.33 | en0x | [; |
| 11:44.34 | Lumiere | my first was replaced |
| 11:44.45 | Lumiere | when the capacitance screen stopped responding |
| 11:44.47 | en0x | sbromwich, the touchstone i have too... charging charging charging ;D |
| 11:44.55 | Lumiere | I need to get my second replaced |
| 11:45.01 | Lumiere | because the keyboard no longer responds |
| 11:45.02 | en0x | but i'm, too lazy to exchange it... it doesnt bother me so much |
| 11:46.47 | nt4cats | 'mornin |
| 11:48.25 | swisstomcat | meow nt4cats |
| 11:48.59 | Lumiere | goes to burn a binder full of contract proposals |
| 11:49.29 | en0x | hmm |
| 11:53.21 | nt4cats | has mild oreo and occasional headset static |
| 11:53.56 | nt4cats | didn't buy the 'insurance' -- so I think I'm screwed |
| 11:54.17 | Lumiere | nt4cats: not in first year anymore? |
| 11:54.34 | nt4cats | I am in the first year -- my anniversary is 12-June-2010 |
| 11:54.37 | Lumiere | btw, if you ever get a warranty replacement, your phone warranty restarts |
| 11:54.41 | tmzt | you try more than one headset? |
| 11:54.55 | Lumiere | I don't use headsets on palm devices |
| 11:54.59 | nt4cats | tmzt: yep, any headset will crackle if you move/touch the plug at all |
| 11:55.04 | Lumiere | the whole locking into headset mode thing |
| 11:55.10 | Lumiere | happened on my 755p too |
| 11:55.28 | nt4cats | I didn't realize I have a one year warranty on the hardware ... it may be worth calling them today |
| 11:56.34 | Lumiere | I didn't have to pay to get moved over :) |
| 12:01.18 | nt4cats | Lumiere: all webOS devices are still within their first year -- unless you have a pre-release device, I guess. |
| 12:02.40 | Lumiere | nt4cats: my mind is kinda shot right now :) |
| 12:03.02 | nt4cats | Lumiere: ... but that fact is only true for a few more days |
| 12:03.40 | nt4cats | Hmmm, I suspect the "Verizon FIOS DVR" application is only available for Verizon Wireless customers. That's stinky., |
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| 12:06.05 | Lumiere | nt4cats: you should be able to do the same thing via mobile web |
| 12:06.17 | en0x | does new govnah remember profiles? after reboot? |
| 12:06.27 | Lumiere | but I bet you could suck the package across to your sprint phone |
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| 12:07.59 | nt4cats | Lumiere: the mobile web app works, but it is clunky (it was designed for phones with phone browsers, not real browsers) |
| 12:08.08 | nt4cats | Lumiere: if I can figure out how to get my hands on the package, I'll certainly put it on my sprint phone :) |
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| 12:09.07 | Lumiere | points at rwhitby ;) |
| 12:09.14 | Lumiere | -> work |
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| 12:38.17 | nt4cats | got the FIOS DVR app installed -- it is faster to use than the DVR itself :) |
| 12:38.25 | nt4cats | the problem is an incorrect URL in the feed |
| 12:38.47 | en0x | lol |
| 12:39.46 | nt4cats | If I knew how to report the problem to Palm I would ... |
| 12:40.35 | swisstomcat | use the forum .. bug reports |
| 12:42.17 | nt4cats | swisstomcat: "the" forum? |
| 12:42.23 | swisstomcat | well |
| 12:42.27 | swisstomcat | developer.palm.com |
| 12:42.47 | swisstomcat | they have a place for bug reports there |
| 12:42.58 | swisstomcat | if it's related |
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| 12:54.02 | nt4cats | is going to get breakfast, bbl |
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| 14:40.04 | jerric | anyone out there for a quick palm / linux question |
| 14:40.41 | jerric | I know that powerd's console logging of sleep / wakeup messages can be suppressed from broadcast, but how is that done? |
| 14:44.40 | HattCzech_work | do you want them completely supressed or just not visible when looking through the log? |
| 14:50.25 | jerric | suppressed from the console. visable through the log |
| 14:51.02 | jerric | <visible> sorry |
| 14:57.11 | HattCzech_work | i believe there is a patch for that |
| 14:57.21 | HattCzech_work | but i'm not entirely sure how it works |
| 14:57.28 | HattCzech_work | you can check the source of it, though |
| 15:00.13 | nt4cats | crap -- I have to take my laptop apart. I just droped a bagel and cream cheese on it and there is creamcheese squished down into the innards. hopefully I'll be back soon :) |
| 15:00.42 | jerric | thanks <HattCzech_work>! |
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| 15:21.35 | VincentLaw | huh |
| 15:21.43 | VincentLaw | my camera has completely borked |
| 15:21.48 | VincentLaw | not the hardware |
| 15:23.12 | VincentLaw | looks like I'll have to get rid of the uberkernel and see if that fixes things |
| 15:31.27 | VincentLaw | yep, default kernel fixed it. hmph |
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| 15:50.44 | mjkjr | I'm pretty sure I updated uber-kernel rather than removing and installing last time, but I'm not 100% sure so is it OTA safe? |
| 15:54.14 | mjkjr | I'm sure I could read p|c but I'm at work ATM |
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| 16:44.39 | nt4cats | This is what my laptop looked like 15 minutes ago: http://i46.tinypic.com/33o045e.jpg |
| 16:45.14 | nt4cats | fun little project |
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| 16:56.20 | ka6sox | nt4cats, the flowers and the soda just complete the picture. |
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| 16:57.32 | nt4cats | I've colonized the dining room table at home. The centerpiece (with the flowers) was here before me ... but the laptop, soda, mints, etc. are all mine. |
| 16:57.48 | halfhalo_pre | lol |
| 16:57.55 | ka6sox | nt4cats, you wife must LOVE you. |
| 16:58.32 | nt4cats | if by "love" you mean "want to murder in a way that will go undetected so that the life insurance policy pays out", you're right |
| 16:58.46 | ka6sox | lol! |
| 16:58.46 | halfhalo_pre | ha |
| 17:00.10 | nt4cats | I was doing e-mail and eating a late breakfast (you can see the edge of a bagel at the top of the photo) -- when I dropped the cream-cheese-laden bagel cheese-down onto the laptop. The chream cheese squished into the speaker grille, and I had to completely disassemble the laptop in order to clean it |
| 17:00.37 | halfhalo_pre | ha |
| 17:00.48 | halfhalo_pre | ohh\n |
| 17:01.05 | halfhalo_pre | vkb is onstalled\n |
| 17:01.20 | nt4cats | halhhalo_pre: really?\n |
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| 17:02.17 | ka6sox | nt4cats, well...thats better than syrup!<CRLF> |
| 17:03.30 | halfhalo_pre | I reallyneed to doctor |
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| 19:05.17 | jettero | got a replacement phone... pretty sure my old one will power up... any advice on copying everything over? |
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| 19:05.31 | jettero | I was just going to rsync my /media/internal dir to the local linux box and then rsync it to the new phone... |
| 19:05.35 | jettero | is that a mistake? |
| 19:05.40 | HattCzech_work | might be |
| 19:05.46 | sk1tt1sh | is there a way to get into the messaging app remotely and read my texts over ssh? lol |
| 19:05.52 | HattCzech_work | maybe try save/restore and pre backup utility |
| 19:05.53 | jettero | sk1tt1sh: yes |
| 19:05.56 | sk1tt1sh | how |
| 19:06.05 | jettero | HattCzech_work: yeah, that's part of what I want to restore |
| 19:06.14 | jettero | HattCzech_work: my save/restore files are all on the old phone |
| 19:06.25 | jettero | sk1tt1sh: see the website for examples of getting there with sqlite |
| 19:06.36 | jettero | sk1tt1sh: look for the notifier script, I froget the name |
| 19:06.40 | sk1tt1sh | oh |
| 19:06.48 | sk1tt1sh | okay i've messed with it before nvm |
| 19:06.53 | jettero | k k |
| 19:07.00 | sk1tt1sh | haha thats prolly why it popped into my head |
| 19:07.16 | jettero | heh |
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| 19:12.41 | sk1tt1sh | if i need an app to run with a switch at late startup how would I do that? also could i somehow put the into meta doctor? |
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| 19:41.10 | luke-jr | how can I inhibit sleep via SSH? is SIGSTOP powerd a bad idea? |
| 19:42.07 | nt4cats | luke-jr: are you just trying to get rid of the annoying messages -- or do you really want it not to go into power-save? |
| 19:42.33 | nt4cats | luke-jr: where "annoying messages" == powerd noise to console/terminal |
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| 19:44.43 | luke-jr | annoying msgs are #1 |
| 19:44.49 | luke-jr | but the sleep seems to make for bad interactive SSH too |
| 19:45.27 | dirs | hi, i'm reading a file in pre (a photo) and doing things with that in C code (with PDL). someone know why fopen not work with a **extractfs** filepath? ?? |
| 19:45.45 | halfhalo_class | and.... preware fail |
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| 19:46.46 | dirs | :/ |
| 19:46.58 | luke-jr | stopping the msgs would be helpful, but if possible I'd like to inhibit sleep altogether |
| 19:50.33 | luke-jr | ... :/ |
| 20:08.57 | oc80z | yeah |
| 20:08.58 | oc80z | is the phone charging? |
| 20:10.07 | luke-jr | no idea |
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| 20:11.54 | oc80z | well there is a patch to stop the sleep stdin messages. |
| 20:12.21 | xavierz | the clanch 69er |
| 20:12.22 | luke-jr | nothing apps can use to just temporarily inhibit it? |
| 20:13.15 | oc80z | that will inhibit SSH connection over WiFi to be choked? |
| 20:13.36 | luke-jr | inhibit sleep |
| 20:13.52 | oc80z | there is an application that does that |
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| 20:14.17 | oc80z | there are different ways to do this. |
| 20:14.42 | halfhalo_class | Does one involve a windowless van, late at night, and oranges? |
| 20:14.58 | luke-jr | oc80z: I want to prevent sleep while my app is running |
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| 20:15.30 | oc80z | luke-jr do you need the code? |
| 20:15.38 | luke-jr | ? |
| 20:15.52 | luke-jr | don't need an example, no |
| 20:15.55 | luke-jr | just an API for it |
| 20:17.41 | oc80z | ok |
| 20:18.41 | luke-jr | ... |
| 20:19.01 | oc80z | did you look at developer.palm.com? |
| 20:22.09 | oc80z | http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.5/ |
| 20:22.48 | swisstomcat | 403 forbidden |
| 20:22.56 | halfhalo_class | yup |
| 20:26.58 | oc80z | so |
| 20:27.03 | oc80z | get this cat his api or w/e |
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| 20:30.30 | jettero | I can never tell when *>>*SYNERGY*<<* is going to add my account to every app on the phone and when it's going to add it to just that one app |
| 20:30.37 | jettero | sya invariably it gets my preference on that ass backwards |
| 20:30.43 | jettero | I wish there were an account management app |
| 20:31.08 | swisstomcat | night everyone |
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| 22:42.39 | BeeRad | Yo. |
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| 23:31.21 | BeeRad | CRAP. http://www.precentral.net/hp-ceo-we-didnt-buy-pal-mto-be-smartphone-business |
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| 23:37.55 | chrisa | Hmm |
| 23:38.02 | chrisa | I think people are reading into that too much |
| 23:38.14 | chrisa | Hasn't HP also said they expected to keep Palm's existing roadmap? |
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| 23:40.14 | BeeRad | chrisa: I have a feeling he's saying that HP wants webOS for ONE thing at this point and its tablets and printers. They could care less about smartphones and Palm for the most part. |
| 23:40.47 | BeeRad | Does HP want Palm to go away? No. But they are NOT putting firepower behind smartphones and thats troubling. THAT is what Palm needs. Firepower. Money. |
| 23:41.29 | bpadalino | not just more mountain dew and doritos ? |
| 23:41.30 | bpadalino | :( |
| 23:41.37 | chrisa | I don't like mountain dew |
| 23:41.44 | chrisa | and doritos I can only eat so many of |
| 23:42.03 | bpadalino | you sound like a cheap developer .. are you looking for a job? :) |
| 23:42.19 | oil | lol |
| 23:42.23 | BeeRad | lol |
| 23:42.35 | chrisa | Not sure, you'll have to ask HP |
| 23:42.55 | bpadalino | they can probably offer a couple more benefits than i ever could |
| 23:43.07 | egaudet | what are benefits? |
| 23:43.31 | bpadalino | well, we start with a couple drinks .. we talk a little bit .. then, we see where the night leads us |
| 23:43.39 | BeeRad | A secure position in getting webOS onto hair straightners for women. |
| 23:43.42 | chrisa | this sounds more like date rape |
| 23:43.51 | HattCzech_work | chrisa: i was thinking the same thing |
| 23:43.55 | halfhalo | No, thats the second interview |
| 23:43.59 | HattCzech_work | bad, bpadalino, bad! |
| 23:44.20 | bpadalino | i think it's more fun to slip the roofies in my own drink! |
| 23:44.25 | HattCzech_work | lol |
| 23:44.25 | bpadalino | then i can be more creative with what happened |
| 23:44.48 | BeeRad | roofies get you Android. Bad idea. |
| 23:44.55 | bpadalino | haha |
| 23:45.13 | chrisa | Android isn't a bad platform |
| 23:45.30 | BeeRad | I like Google, not a fan of Android too much. |
| 23:45.32 | HattCzech_work | i'm off for now, talk to y'all later |
| 23:45.51 | bpadalino | webos' multitasking just works so much nicer :( |
| 23:46.18 | chrisa | We do some things better, so do they |
| 23:46.39 | bpadalino | agreed, what do you think of the talk about android fragmentation ? |
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| 23:46.58 | chrisa | I'm in the camp who think people arguing it don't really understand what fragmentation is |
| 23:47.19 | BeeRad | chrisa: What do you think Android can do thats better than webOS? Just curious. |
| 23:47.45 | BeeRad | (no, Im not a fanboy....Ive got big gadget love for all) |
| 23:47.50 | halfhalo_T400 | Is one of them... be on all 4 major us carriers? |
| 23:47.51 | bpadalino | interesting .. i'm in the camp, as a consumer, that my phone that is fully capable and new, won't get updates 6 months out of the gate |
| 23:48.06 | chrisa | They have a smaller memory footprint, faster boot time (both partly related to us not rewriting init), more apis exposed at the time |
| 23:48.33 | chrisa | bpadalino: well that's the thing, the "google experience" phones receive updates fine, it's the vendors doing their own UI layers that cause the problem |
| 23:48.37 | chrisa | and I can't fault android for that |
| 23:48.52 | bpadalino | chrisa: well, my friend has an ADP1 which won't get Froyo .. |
| 23:49.20 | chrisa | Phones that get end of life for os updates are the norm, not the exception |
| 23:49.32 | bpadalino | he got it about 1.5 years ago .. |
| 23:49.35 | chrisa | We're just committed to our releases working on all devices, but we have a smaller count too |
| 23:49.41 | bpadalino | what should the lifespan of support be ? |
| 23:49.52 | chrisa | Who knows, maybe next year something won't work on a sprint castle due to some dire change (unlikely, but who knows?) |
| 23:49.55 | bpadalino | if i sign up for a 24 month contract, i'd hope i get 24 months of support |
| 23:50.03 | chrisa | Then you could say we're fragmented |
| 23:50.10 | chrisa | *sprint pre |
| 23:50.30 | bpadalino | if my sprint pre doesn't work on the network while i am still in a contract, yeah - i'd think that's bunk |
| 23:50.37 | chrisa | Android released a lot of releases quickly to get to a stable state which they're now more or less at |
| 23:50.41 | chrisa | It should be a more stable ecosystem now |
| 23:51.04 | chrisa | Remember, the Google isn't the one deciding these things |
| 23:51.06 | bpadalino | i am not sure that changes HTC's stance .. probably more of a "release and forget" |
| 23:51.11 | chrisa | Android as a platform isn't to blame |
| 23:51.22 | chrisa | You want to be shaking your fist at Motorola / HTC |
| 23:51.36 | bpadalino | the one thing i thought Palm had going for it is the similar Apple effect where they do both the software and hardware |
| 23:51.49 | bpadalino | chrisa, agreed - it isn't android or google .. but it's who google is in bed with |
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| 23:51.56 | chrisa | We do, once you get past the first gen hardware we released ;p |
| 23:51.57 | BeeRad | Apple has been supporting the first iPhone for THREE years now. Its just now not going to receive an update. There are Android phones out there already 18 months in and wont get jack. |
| 23:51.57 | bpadalino | so i can't quite just get upset at one and not the other |
| 23:53.29 | chrisa | I'm not sure how long something should be supported. Now that devices are all hitting a bare minimum of 800-1000 mhz they'll probably last longer |
| 23:53.47 | BeeRad | I think RAM is a bigger deal than CPU. |
| 23:53.50 | bpadalino | i think the android team has done a pretty great job getting java to be really responsive and run in a very small memory footprint .. and have things generally be seamless for users with regards to killing and spawning new processes for memory footprints |
| 23:53.53 | chrisa | But I'd expect a contract term of support makes sense, except in Europe/Canada contracts are longer than 2 years |
| 23:54.02 | chrisa | BeeRad: depends on the device, but generally yes |
| 23:54.07 | chrisa | But by cpu I'm referring to the entire SoC |
| 23:54.15 | bpadalino | chrisa, how do you like the omap4 ? |
| 23:54.17 | BeeRad | Gotcha. |
| 23:54.24 | chrisa | I don't work with the omap much |
| 23:54.28 | chrisa | Pretty much entirely msm stuff |
| 23:54.30 | bpadalino | oh interesting |
| 23:55.02 | BeeRad | Can the 3430 be pushed to 1ghz on the Pre or not? The Droid does. (pun intended) |
| 23:55.36 | chrisa | You can already push a pre to 800+ if you bother |
| 23:56.20 | BeeRad | For mere common folk like me? In Govnah? Its locked to 800 max right? |
