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| 02:51.44 | dtzWill | waves hello to everyone :) |
| 02:52.13 | ka6sox | hi dtzWill |
| 02:52.22 | halfhalo | someone buy me lightroom 3 |
| 02:55.51 | ka6sox | heh |
| 02:56.18 | halfhalo | Sadface⦠left my camera at home today, so no pics of e3 yet |
| 02:56.40 | dtzWill | ka6sox: 'ello :) |
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| 02:58.32 | halfhalo | Ok, so I was playing with my friends Evo 4G today, and dammit qik is cool |
| 02:58.41 | halfhalo | Live streaming from E3... |
| 02:59.17 | ray_ | i just got my palm pre plus and i want to download this to me phone can some one give me a hand with doing thiws like how do i do it |
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| 03:02.08 | sk1tt1sh | https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html would this work for a key for signing with ipkg-build? |
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| 03:10.28 | ka6sox | dtzWill, so now I need some testers to make sure that what I did yesterday with the ext3fs setup doesnt' mess up other things. |
| 03:11.34 | dtzWill | ka6sox: i'd be happy to give it a whirl tomorrow or so, exhausted from traveling today x.x |
| 03:15.14 | Kyutwo | hmmmm |
| 03:16.49 | Kyusaku | these commands that rod posted to enable compcache don't work |
| 03:17.26 | rwhitby | they are intentionally not complete |
| 03:17.46 | rwhitby | it's an "expert alpha tester" test :) |
| 03:18.03 | Kyusaku | =) |
| 03:19.34 | zsoc | i find looking at error messages helps |
| 03:20.22 | Kyusaku | oh I know what the problem is |
| 03:20.58 | ka6sox | -37 works but I need to set the RAM... |
| 03:21.02 | ka6sox | looks |
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| 03:24.28 | uNiXpSyChO | ka6sox: you shouldnt need to set the ram |
| 03:24.56 | ka6sox | 15% vs 20MB? (10%)? |
| 03:25.12 | Tman_mac | when using OpenGL, can you use SDL to draw, say, text on top of the OpenGL canvas? |
| 03:25.14 | rwhitby | ok, let's see what happens with swap is being used and someone tries to turn off compcache from govnah :) |
| 03:25.48 | uNiXpSyChO | Oops: Kernel access of bad area, sig: 11 |
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| 03:26.16 | ka6sox | rwhitby, if the real ram < the real size of the /dev/ramswapz then you are golden. |
| 03:26.39 | ka6sox | it its bigger then you have to push it out into /dev/store/swap |
| 03:26.44 | rwhitby | ka6sox: I have no real ram free - this is a destructive test :) |
| 03:26.48 | uNiXpSyChO | ka6sox: 15% wasnt bad for me.. the CPU will work harder tho depending on if you are running 20 cards |
| 03:27.00 | rwhitby | 2010-06-15T03:26:33.047210Z [38305] palm-webos-device kern.err kernel: [38296.850000] Out of memory: kill process 5151 (swapoff) score -1 or a child |
| 03:27.01 | ka6sox | uNiXpSyChO, I was running 30 cards. |
| 03:27.20 | uNiXpSyChO | ka6sox: the ramzswap module will flush it to /dev/store/swap for you |
| 03:27.44 | Tman_mac | experimenting with swap are we? I thought I saw an existing swap on the pre.. is there? |
| 03:27.55 | rwhitby | yes |
| 03:27.57 | ka6sox | oh then as long as its not full /dev/store/swap then its good...otherwies the oomkiller is happening. |
| 03:28.08 | uNiXpSyChO | oomkiller is disabled |
| 03:28.18 | uNiXpSyChO | i think... at least in my builds |
| 03:28.19 | ka6sox | ha ha ha |
| 03:28.37 | Tman_mac | rwhitby: we're just expanding it? |
| 03:28.47 | ka6sox | Tman_mac, compcache |
| 03:28.51 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: palm have their own oom late helper |
| 03:28.54 | uNiXpSyChO | i had 48 cards opned last night and the Pre just went to a crawl... but didnt stop. |
| 03:29.14 | uNiXpSyChO | rwhitby: oh. i must have missed that. |
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| 03:29.27 | ka6sox | I maxed out at 32 with 3 games + browser + video player. |
| 03:29.51 | Tman_mac | ka6sox: i'll read up on it |
| 03:29.52 | ka6sox | but I still had 1/2 the /dev/store/swap available. |
| 03:30.12 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: /etc/event.d/memchute |
| 03:30.21 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.21 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.21 | rwhitby | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.49 | Tman_mac | so compcache alone is enabling people to have 30+ cards open? |
| 03:30.49 | uNiXpSyChO | rwhitby: i was wondering what was setting those values! |
| 03:31.20 | rwhitby | Tman_mac: well, that and disabling the way-too-conservative lowmemnotify |
| 03:31.27 | uNiXpSyChO | Tman_mac: not really. but it helps add more swap for more apps running |
| 03:31.28 | ka6sox | Tman_mac, ya, but eventually you do run out. |
| 03:32.06 | Tman_mac | cool |
| 03:32.07 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: so oom kills the "swapoff -a" command nicely :) |
| 03:32.12 | ka6sox | 20MB compcache + 128MB of /dev/store/swap |
| 03:32.15 | uNiXpSyChO | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 03:32.43 | ka6sox | bbiaf |
| 03:32.51 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: and everything else just keeps going. an elegant solution to trying to disable compcache when you've got three 3D games running |
| 03:32.55 | uNiXpSyChO | in theory swapping to RAM will save battery instead of writing to flash |
| 03:33.05 | rwhitby | absolutely |
| 03:33.59 | rwhitby | so, having a non-working GSM comms board in the device really kills the battery :( |
| 03:34.16 | rwhitby | will need to swap it out for a working (but not in this country) CDMA comms board |
| 03:34.24 | uNiXpSyChO | couldnt you just disable the GSM radio? |
| 03:34.34 | halfhalo | That sounds like way to much effort... |
| 03:34.45 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: you need to be able to talk to the modem before you can do that. modem is not responding to kernel. |
| 03:34.51 | uNiXpSyChO | oh |
| 03:35.35 | rwhitby | halfhalo: it's an unlocked GSM qwerty keyboard device. those are few and far between |
| 03:36.18 | rwhitby | once my Pre Plus arrives, I'll put the GSM comms board from my current Pre into it to get a second working unlocked GSM qwerty device |
| 03:36.23 | halfhalo | ATT retail + unlock would work wouldn't it |
| 03:36.32 | rwhitby | halfhalo: wrong bands for .au |
| 03:36.47 | halfhalo | excuses! :p |
| 03:36.54 | Tman_mac | when using OpenGL, can you use SDL to draw, say, text on top of the OpenGL canvas? |
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| 03:49.32 | eieio | that would be no |
| 03:50.36 | eieio | i'm not aware of any arch that supports that sort of thing with a GL surface |
| 03:51.29 | zsoc | Tman_mac: maybe I misunderstand your question, but I think vba does that? |
| 03:52.41 | dtzWill | Tman_mac: not really. what you can do is create a texture and write what you want to it and render it to a gl surface that covers the entire screen |
| 03:52.50 | zsoc | Hm... |
| 03:53.00 | zsoc | dtzWill: your answer was 2 to 3 thousand times more efficient than mine. |
| 03:53.06 | Tman_mac | lol |
| 03:53.10 | dtzWill | zsoc: that's what i do in vba :) |
| 03:53.37 | rwhitby | closes hawx, nova and nfsuc to see if that allows swapoff -a to work |
| 03:53.37 | Tman_mac | dtzWill: okay so text to texture, texture to opengl to screen? |
| 03:53.55 | zsoc | right, the old custom texture that i constantly write to rendered to a gl surface trick |
| 03:54.08 | dtzWill | with some clever formatting of sdl_surface yuo might be able to get something like sdl_ttf or w/e to render into someting that gl can work with easily |
| 03:54.27 | dtzWill | Tman_mac: that's the idea yep |
| 03:54.39 | rwhitby | ka6sox: yep, linux dumps the used swap into real mem if you have enough free |
| 03:54.50 | rwhitby | so govnah enabling and disabling compcache is a go |
| 03:55.06 | uNiXpSyChO | *if* you have free ram |
| 03:55.07 | Tman_mac | yikes.. then I would have to write a -second- opengl program to use in my app.. this is all very much for a gl newb ;) |
| 03:55.18 | zsoc | I just had someone tell me there's no way I could know that an app is cross compiling from x86 to arm because of compiler dependent data representations called "byte scrobbles" |
| 03:56.04 | zsoc | apparently 'byte scrobbling' is a term regularly used by people in the industry. |
| 03:56.15 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: yeah, govnah can see that the swapoff command got killed, and give a TMC error :) |
| 03:56.22 | eieio | what? |
| 03:56.39 | Tman_mac | first i have to figure out why this program that's simply supposed to draw some simple lines is somehow making the left and right sides of the screen mirror images of each other... |
| 03:56.47 | eieio | i've never heard of byte scrobbling |
| 03:57.17 | zsoc | eieio: well neither has google, so I figure I'll spout it in a few logged chats, so the next time he trys to convince someone it's a real thing they will see me laughing at him when they google it. |
| 03:57.39 | uNiXpSyChO | always misses the action due to rwhitby being in a diff timezone. need sleep now |
| 03:57.40 | Tman_mac | lol |
| 03:57.46 | rwhitby | zsoc: byte swapping is a common term, not byte scrobbling. |
| 03:58.25 | zsoc | rwhitby: byte swapping, as in endian? |
| 03:58.33 | rwhitby | zsoc: yeah |
| 03:58.43 | zsoc | armv8 is mid-endian anyway, no? I don't think that would effect much in this case. |
| 03:58.45 | rwhitby | scrobbling is a last.fm term |
| 03:58.52 | zsoc | rwhitby: that's what made me laugh so hard. |
| 03:59.25 | zsoc | er, s/mid-endian/bi-endian/ |
| 04:01.39 | ka6sox | rwhitby, we need make sure that real ram free + /dev/store/swap are big enough to handle the real size then we are oaky |
| 04:02.01 | rwhitby | ka6sox: I'm just going to let the oom killer kill the swapoff command |
| 04:02.14 | ka6sox | that'll do it. |
| 04:02.23 | ka6sox | UBE |
| 04:02.27 | rwhitby | report that back to govnah and let the user deal with it |
| 04:02.37 | ka6sox | will it give TMC then? |
| 04:02.56 | rwhitby | no, we'll start with a cryptic linux error message to scare people ... |
| 04:03.18 | ka6sox | FATAL ERROR :#OE |
| 04:03.23 | ka6sox | oh wait...thats already in use. |
| 04:04.09 | ka6sox | oil's gonna be busy! |
| 04:04.51 | uNiXpSyChO | i feel guilty now |
| 04:05.29 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: what about? |
| 04:05.35 | ka6sox | uNiXpSyChO, why..you are providing the service that a Leader does :D |
| 04:06.19 | uNiXpSyChO | rwhitby: adding all these new features. oil will frown at me :D |
| 04:06.21 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: yeah, you're a Forum Leader now, so you have to always be nice in your forum posts :) |
| 04:06.37 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: oil's probably gonna make me implement most of them |
| 04:07.15 | rwhitby | ok, time to meta-doctor virtura.pre and install a clean -37 for testing |
| 04:07.15 | uNiXpSyChO | rwhitby: its hard to be nice to some users when they dont read ;P |
| 04:07.32 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: that's why I declined the nomination :) |
| 04:07.36 | uNiXpSyChO | lol |
| 04:09.31 | rwhitby | PreCentral has a new 1.4.5 rumour up. |
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| 04:10.46 | MerlinMM | anyone active here? |
| 04:11.29 | MerlinMM | Major webos-internals bug just screwed me and trying to recover I hit another one. |
| 04:11.44 | MerlinMM | anyone? |
| 04:12.01 | rwhitby | MerlinMM: we're just waiting for you to state what it is ... |
| 04:12.12 | MerlinMM | Ah. |
| 04:12.34 | MerlinMM | so java restart + launched App catalog = palm profile erasure. |
| 04:12.39 | MerlinMM | BAD! |
| 04:12.54 | rwhitby | is it repeatable? |
| 04:13.05 | MerlinMM | Kernel + patches still installed but /media/cryptofs wiped. |
| 04:13.18 | rwhitby | yep a palm profile reset will do that |
| 04:13.19 | MerlinMM | repeatable: I'm not about to test... |
| 04:13.36 | rwhitby | why not? you're profile is already erased |
| 04:13.41 | MerlinMM | how do I fix state of patches in preware? |
| 04:14.01 | MerlinMM | because I've already spent a few hours restoring my state. |
| 04:14.16 | rwhitby | if you don't test whether it's repeatable or not, then it cannot be diagnosed or fixed if it really is a webos-internals bug |
| 04:14.35 | MerlinMM | I'm trying "Emergency File Verification" |
| 04:14.52 | rwhitby | so, about testing whether it is repeatable or not ... |
| 04:14.57 | MerlinMM | So you test it. ;-) |
| 04:15.11 | halfhalo | if we could, we would |
| 04:15.16 | rwhitby | it's never happened to me, and I do java restarts and app catalogs all the time |
| 04:15.43 | MerlinMM | really? launch app catalog DURING a java restart? |
| 04:16.06 | MerlinMM | daghter calling. I'll be back. |
| 04:16.16 | rwhitby | see, there's a little bit of detail that you left out of your initial bug report |
| 04:17.31 | MerlinMM | if I'd been filing a bug report on bugzilla or something I would have included. this is a chat hannel so... |
| 04:18.04 | ka6sox | MerlinMM, that little detail makes *all* the difference. |
| 04:18.59 | MerlinMM | get over it. yes it does, I assumed you'd infer the detail from the fact that we've all restarted java then launched the ap catalog numerous times... moving on. |
| 04:19.14 | halfhalo | never has |
| 04:19.41 | rwhitby | MerlinMM: no need to get huffy about it ... |
| 04:20.13 | MerlinMM | sorry Rod it's late I'm tired and jet lagged and my phone justgot f'ed.. |
| 04:20.21 | rwhitby | fair enough. |
| 04:20.55 | rwhitby | basically, your OS has modified files, and the ipkg database which says which patches did the modifications has been wiped |
| 04:21.00 | MerlinMM | anyway the current issue: EFV won't do it's thing if you have AUPT-3 patches (this seems to be the case) |
| 04:21.53 | rwhitby | did it wipe all your /var and /media/internal data as well, or just cryptofs? |
| 04:22.25 | rwhitby | egaudet: you around? |
| 04:22.38 | MerlinMM | I have 2 that depend on each other and can't do the "install...seems to be installed already...remove...install" process because the one with the dependency won't let me install it. |
| 04:22.51 | MerlinMM | not sure about /var. |
| 04:23.29 | rwhitby | what if you install the dependency first? |
| 04:23.42 | rwhitby | what about /media/internal |
| 04:23.56 | MerlinMM | fails due to hunks that don't work due to the 2nd patch. |
| 04:24.20 | MerlinMM | thank god.. had vacation pics/movies. |
| 04:24.49 | rwhitby | what app did the java restart, BTW? |
| 04:24.51 | egaudet | rwhitby, yeah what's up |
| 04:25.08 | MerlinMM | An additional option (ignore dependencies) in Preware would fix the issue I think. |
| 04:25.25 | MerlinMM | Preware did restart. |
| 04:25.27 | rwhitby | egaudet: MerlinMM has had a profile reset wipe cryptofs and is trying to reinstall patches that are already applied and has a dependency case |
| 04:25.43 | rwhitby | MerlinMM: which app were you installing which caused the java restart? |
| 04:26.23 | MerlinMM | I'm just trying to restore state of installed patches accurately (without a Dr.). |
| 04:26.34 | egaudet | if the patch is applied it should install cleanly from preware |
| 04:26.39 | MerlinMM | I have over a hundred so... |
| 04:26.56 | rwhitby | egaudet: seems to be an order dependent chunk conflict |
| 04:27.16 | egaudet | hmm |
| 04:27.26 | MerlinMM | egaudet: not if it has another patch dependent on it which modifies the same files so it doesn't recognize itself as installed. |
| 04:27.33 | egaudet | command line --force-depends it |
| 04:27.55 | rwhitby | MerlinMM: so we've got two patches, one dependent on the other, which do conflicting changes to the same file? |
| 04:28.01 | MerlinMM | ah. thanks. I've tried "flag installed". |
| 04:28.10 | egaudet | MerlinMM, right but it has to modify the context that the dependent patch contains in it's unified diff |
| 04:28.18 | MerlinMM | Yes. I believe. Have not examined patch source. |
| 04:28.26 | rwhitby | MerlinMM: which two patches? |
| 04:28.52 | egaudet | the issue I can see is if patch A changes something that is in the 3 context lines before/after of some hunk in patch B |
| 04:29.04 | MerlinMM | top-bar-device-menu-megamix |
| 04:29.12 | egaudet | then patch B's context is off while A is applied and thus thinks things aren't right |
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| 04:29.30 | rwhitby | MerlinMM: and the second patch? |
| 04:29.45 | MerlinMM | and ditto-with-media-volume-control |
| 04:30.18 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 04:30.46 | MerlinMM | egaudet: sounds reasonable to me. |
| 04:30.56 | MerlinMM | what's "bbl" |
| 04:31.05 | egaudet | be back later |
| 04:31.09 | MerlinMM | off for a sec. be back |
| 04:31.18 | beelzabub | much more efficient than just saying it |
| 04:31.22 | beelzabub | clearly |
| 04:35.26 | MerlinMM | ah, I see. so egaudet is here and rwhitby will bbl, right? |
| 04:35.58 | MerlinMM | what's the thing to do an action again? |
| 04:37.13 | Tibfib | "/me" |
| 04:37.52 | egaudet | right |
| 04:37.56 | MerlinMM | is enlightened. |
| 04:38.05 | ka6sox | goes off to set up more pygrub stuff on xen |
| 04:38.10 | egaudet | MerlinMM, so are you able to command line? |
| 04:38.28 | egaudet | actually |
| 04:39.13 | MerlinMM | yes. ugly though. no ssh yet so just terminal. works though. |
| 04:39.36 | MerlinMM | I have downloaded relevant ipk files. |
| 04:39.43 | egaudet | MerlinMM, have you tried Emergency Patch Installer? |
| 04:40.46 | MerlinMM | I thought about it but I don't want them installed just recognized so I thought Emergency File Verification but... |
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| 04:44.39 | egaudet | well EPI will "install" the package data for the patches that it "believes" are applied based on the patch control dir in /var/usr/lib/.webosinternals.patches |
| 04:45.21 | egaudet | it should just make all your applied patches recognized as installed by preware |
| 04:47.10 | MerlinMM | hmm. |
| 04:47.25 | MerlinMM | was away - back now |
| 04:47.39 | MerlinMM | let me check that file. |
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| 04:49.29 | MerlinMM | sorry directory not file. it only has the freshly installed stuff.. |
| 04:49.42 | MerlinMM | I have a backup of it on PC so... |
| 04:50.38 | egaudet | how many patches do you have installed currently |
| 04:51.39 | MerlinMM | egaudet: won't that still fail on the install of the first of the 2 patches? |
| 04:52.13 | MerlinMM | you mean that it thinks I have installed or that are currently applied to javascript source? |
| 04:53.04 | MerlinMM | first number is about 4 or 6, latter is over 100. |
| 04:53.25 | egaudet | OK, are those 4 or 6 also contained in your backup .webosinternals.patches/ ? |
| 04:53.36 | MerlinMM | should be. |
| 04:53.59 | MerlinMM | I can check and remove if not. |
| 04:54.06 | egaudet | yeah |
| 04:54.20 | MerlinMM | again though won't I see same failure? |
| 04:54.23 | egaudet | and then throw the backup on and install Emergency Patch Installer. that should get you all the package info back |
| 04:54.33 | egaudet | you shouldn't because no postinst will run |
| 04:54.39 | egaudet | so dependencies won't fail |
| 04:54.47 | MerlinMM | ah ha. |
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| 04:54.52 | MerlinMM | OK. |
| 04:55.25 | ChickenMan | Anyone with webos SDK/Ares knowledge wanna help out a newbie |
| 04:56.05 | MerlinMM | egaudet: will try tomorrow. email Merlin at sent.com with address if you want update on whether it works or not. |
| 04:56.34 | MerlinMM | egaudet: Thanks. |
| 04:57.25 | MerlinMM | egaudet: one more question: what about kernel? how do I get Preware to know I have Uberkernel instaled? |
| 04:58.19 | egaudet | let me look at that hold on |
| 04:59.45 | MerlinMM | holding on |
| 05:00.13 | egaudet | that'll probably need a manual command line install |
| 05:00.51 | egaudet | ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps install <uber_packgeid> |
| 05:00.54 | MerlinMM | egaudet: fine. what's cammand to set package to installed? I tried "flag installed". |
| 05:02.23 | MerlinMM | feels silly he took so long to type question he didn't notice answer. |
| 05:04.49 | MerlinMM | egaudet: so install won't mess up existing state? |
| 05:07.57 | egaudet | not if you know it's already really installed |
| 05:08.11 | egaudet | and you just are missing the package data |
| 05:08.11 | MerlinMM | Govnah works so... |
| 05:08.16 | egaudet | so yeah |
| 05:08.58 | MerlinMM | have to add feed first or something? uber doesn't show is ipkg -o ... list |
| 05:09.30 | MerlinMM | s/is/in/ |
| 05:11.10 | ChickenMan | Can anyone help me make my app play a video by itself and not by opening the video player app |
| 05:14.51 | MerlinMM | will just find .ipk file. |
| 05:14.54 | egaudet | MerlinMM, do you have the webos-kernels feed enabled in preware |
| 05:18.12 | MerlinMM | yep |
| 05:26.13 | MerlinMM | what about "Emergency Service Enabler"? |
| 05:28.21 | MerlinMM | that must get patch info from /media/internal somewhere right? |
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| 05:34.01 | bhuey | wonders what's in the 1.4.5 release that's coming out |
| 05:36.34 | rwhitby | MerlinMM: emergency service enabler just re-runs all the postinst files |
| 05:40.34 | MerlinMM | rwhitby: huh? how does that reinstall patches? |
| 05:40.51 | MerlinMM | 1.4.5: when? |
| 05:41.01 | rwhitby | patches are installed by the postinst script |
| 05:41.16 | MerlinMM | ah. |
| 05:41.49 | MerlinMM | oh right "install" just installed patch files as package. |
| 05:42.02 | MerlinMM | s/installed/installs/ |
| 05:42.37 | MerlinMM | rwhitby: where does ESE get it's list of patches? |
| 05:42.46 | Robi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:43.07 | rwhitby | MerlinMM: ESE doesn't know about patches. it only knows about packages, and it gets the package list from the normal plcae |
| 05:43.21 | rwhitby | MerlinMM: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/lib/ipkg/info |
| 05:43.38 | rwhitby | To ESE, a patch is just another package with a postinst script |
| 05:43.40 | MerlinMM | which for me is wiped... |
| 05:44.44 | MerlinMM | sounds like I should get ssh up and running and just do a manual restore from my rsync backup. ugh. sigh. |
| 05:46.20 | MerlinMM | can save/restore help me? I have a fairly recent Preware save. |
| 05:50.42 | rwhitby | that will try and reinstall the patches with deps |
| 05:52.24 | MerlinMM | save/restore will? ah Preware if I tell it to restore from restored "saved package" list. no way to edit? |
| 05:52.42 | egaudet | MerlinMM, I thought you were going to do the backup of .webosinternals.patches dir? |
| 05:52.43 | MerlinMM | is it a txt file somewhere? |
| 05:53.15 | rwhitby | MerlinMM: you can swipe to delete packages from preware's saved package list |
| 05:53.31 | MerlinMM | egaudet: trying to come up with solution from device without PC... |
| 05:54.06 | MerlinMM | rwhitby: ahhh... that should let me fix all but 2 troublesome ones... |
| 05:54.10 | egaudet | MerlinMM, one by one install from preware |
| 05:54.39 | egaudet | or yeah what rwhitby said |
| 05:56.04 | MerlinMM | hmm. |
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| 06:03.01 | MerlinMM | trying "install all" after a "saved package list" restore. seems to be working (awesome Rod,just awesome). |
| 06:03.14 | MerlinMM | is going to sleep. |
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| 13:48.01 | rwhitby | adds compcache control to Govnah ... |
| 14:04.42 | rwhitby | Govnah 0.4.3 in the alpha testing feed, with initial compcache control. |
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| 15:48.05 | Ka6sox-mobile | morning |
| 15:48.18 | halfhalo | grumbles |
| 15:48.25 | Ka6sox-mobile | heh |
| 15:48.31 | halfhalo | The ONE day I needed the netbook someone takes it |
| 15:48.53 | halfhalo | fffff |
| 15:49.14 | halfhalo | Time to pack up my cameras |
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| 16:05.22 | vibol | rwhitby: how do i add the testing feed to preware? |
| 16:12.43 | dtzWill | ~testing-feed |
| 16:12.44 | infobot | [testing-feed] a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
| 16:12.52 | vibol | dtzWill: ty |
| 16:13.33 | dtzWill | ~botsnack |
| 16:13.33 | infobot | thanks, dtzWill |
| 16:13.39 | halfhalo | E3 vids: http://qik.com/video/7733486 |
| 16:13.45 | halfhalo | Yes, I am the crazy guy |
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| 17:05.31 | HebrewzHammer | ~botsnack |
| 17:05.31 | infobot | :), HebrewzHammer |
| 17:05.40 | HebrewzHammer | lol, that freakin halarious |
| 17:05.49 | Mousey | ~asl |
| 17:05.50 | infobot | Old enough, yes please, my place. |
| 17:06.06 | HebrewzHammer | lol |
| 17:06.56 | HebrewzHammer | the fact that someone used the bot and then gave it a snack is freakin funny |
| 17:08.13 | mumbles | anyone use smoothwall here? |
| 17:08.23 | mumbles | and have you gotten ipv6 dhcp working? |
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| 17:17.38 | Rick_work | does webos even SUPPORT ipv6??? |
| 17:19.21 | mumbles | no idea |
| 17:19.30 | mumbles | would be nice to think it has |
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| 17:25.48 | Rick_work | I profoundly doubt it. It's not in the specs. |
| 17:25.51 | Simpson_2 | hi all |
| 17:26.14 | Simpson_2 | the topic says what not to discuss.... |
| 17:26.14 | Rick_work | hi |
| 17:26.28 | Simpson_2 | so everything else goes ?? |
| 17:26.39 | Rick_work | as long as it's webos related. |
| 17:27.31 | Simpson_2 | so questions about alternative Ical accounts in synergy fits I guess :) |
| 17:28.33 | Rick_work | yes, but it's probably better off in #webos instead of internals, but perhaps not. |
| 17:28.56 | Simpson_2 | there is no answer on that in #webos ;) |
| 17:29.11 | Rick_work | then it becomes a research project. |
| 17:29.17 | Simpson_2 | and my experience with using Lotus Notes as EAS provider ? |
| 17:29.34 | Rick_work | you're wanting your calendar to subscribe to misc ical's other than google? |
| 17:29.47 | Simpson_2 | ack |
| 17:31.24 | Simpson_2 | next thing would be writting a provide myself |
| 17:31.50 | Rick_work | well, you're gong to have to patch the calendar code, and to the best of my knowledge, no one has done that patch. |
| 17:33.39 | Simpson_2 | okay |
| 17:33.46 | Simpson_2 | thats what I wanna be sure of ;) |
| 17:34.13 | Simpson_2 | I almost started to develop a Lotus Notes connection until I figured out I could use Lotus Notes Traveler for that |
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| 17:37.20 | vibol | hey guys, which kernel is compatible with the latest govnah w/compcache/mem controls? |
| 17:37.31 | Rick_work | Simpson_2 you COULD use missing_sync..... |
| 17:39.11 | Rick_work | on the otherhand, if you write an ical sync patch, you will be a freaking hero..... |
| 17:39.22 | mumbles | cant find anything about ipv6 and smoothwall :( |
| 17:40.02 | Simpson_2 | Rick_work, missing_sync.... |
| 17:40.11 | Simpson_2 | I'm a hero in daily live :P |
| 17:40.20 | Simpson_2 | I'd rather be efficient in my spare time |
| 17:41.13 | mumbles | wishes somoene would put the all messaging patch on preware |
| 17:43.19 | Rick_work | mumbles - ipv6 is not in the standard kernel. You could ask the uber-kernel people to compile it in for you. |
| 17:43.36 | mumbles | Rick_work: not a problem here |
| 17:44.00 | mumbles | but it will probably end up being one fairly soon |
| 17:44.02 | Rick_work | mumbles you might look at this thread tho: http://forums.precentral.net/web-os-development/242551-ipv6-support-via-kmod.html |
| 17:44.28 | mumbles | if that works i would have to get my smoothwall to do dhcp ipv6 |
| 17:45.28 | Rick_work | thing is, it looks like for MANY carriers you will have to adjust the kernel so that IPV6 is available ONLY to the wifi, not the cell modem. |
| 17:46.10 | mumbles | yeh, |
| 17:46.20 | mumbles | my hacking skills arent that good |
| 17:46.37 | Rick_work | which makes the programming trickier.... so if I was you I would contact the uber-kernel people and chat with them. |
| 17:49.38 | mumbles | havent got ipv6 working on my network yet anyway |
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| 18:02.00 | MetaView | hi |
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| 18:02.31 | Simpson_2 | are there people from the bay area here ?? |
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| 18:19.15 | swisstomcat | evening |
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| 18:19.20 | ka6sox-work | morning! |
| 18:19.39 | swisstomcat | what now? :) |
| 18:19.48 | ka6sox-work | mebbe today I will see the pixis! |
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| 18:25.03 | Jmenbalek | hi every body |
| 18:25.17 | Jmenbalek | i have a little problem with meta doctor , people for help me ? please |
| 18:27.40 | swisstomcat | what kind of problems? |
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| 18:29.54 | ka6sox-work | swisstomcat, tommorrow :( |
| 18:30.16 | swisstomcat | cool |
| 18:30.20 | swisstomcat | more than one? |
| 18:30.50 | Jmenbalek | ok |
| 18:31.29 | Jmenbalek | when meta doctor run , the setup of the patched rom stop at 82% and after nothing ... |
| 18:31.45 | beelzabub | Simpson_2 - me |
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| 18:33.12 | DoMC | morning |
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| 18:33.16 | swisstomcat | morning |
| 18:33.31 | swisstomcat | jmenbalek: more details? device? webos version? etc. |
| 18:33.51 | Jmenbalek | i have a limited and bad english |
| 18:33.55 | Jmenbalek | ok |
| 18:34.10 | DoMC | i need some assistance.. i wrote a simple espeak service in java, and would like to know how to distribute it |
| 18:34.39 | Jmenbalek | palm pre plus , 1.4.1 , sorry but i'm a noob in webos :( |
| 18:34.46 | Jmenbalek | version sfr |
| 18:34.48 | swisstomcat | jmenbalek: maybe we can ask warpdesign to translate some stuff |
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| 18:36.08 | MetaView | DoMC: cool |
| 18:36.26 | swisstomcat | jmenbalek: you downloaded the webosdoctor for sfr 1.4.1 and then built the new jar with make all-sfr? |
| 18:36.52 | Jmenbalek | yes |
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| 18:37.42 | swisstomcat | did you try with the standard 1.4.1 webosdoctor? |
| 18:37.55 | swisstomcat | just to see if it works in general? |
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| 18:38.31 | DoMC | MetaView: Thanks :) |
| 18:39.57 | Jmenbalek | swisstomcat, i try that but i have the same problem |
| 18:40.28 | swisstomcat | i see .. but that means the problem is not related to the meta-doctor |
| 18:40.38 | swisstomcat | it stops at 82% too? |
| 18:40.51 | Jmenbalek | yes |
| 18:40.54 | Jmenbalek | with this messahe |
| 18:40.56 | Jmenbalek | message* |
| 18:41.24 | Jmenbalek | impossible de réinitialiser votre téléphone - Unable to reset your phone |
| 18:41.48 | swisstomcat | just that? |
| 18:41.58 | Jmenbalek | yes |
| 18:42.19 | Simpson_2 | beelzabub, are there any shops there wich sell palm hardware ? |
| 18:42.40 | beelzabub | all the phone stores |
| 18:42.51 | beelzabub | at&t, verizon, sprint |
| 18:43.01 | beelzabub | i can't recall if radioshack still does |
| 18:43.09 | Simpson_2 | are they any good in the extras as well ? |
| 18:43.18 | Simpson_2 | beelzabub, I'll be flying to SFO tommorow |
| 18:43.19 | swisstomcat | radioshack sells the AT&T pre plus |
| 18:43.36 | Simpson_2 | beelzabub, since the stuff is not on sale here, I though that looking there might be a good idea ;) |
| 18:43.49 | beelzabub | i don't know - i'm sure they all carry the touchstone |
| 18:43.51 | swisstomcat | which country, simpson_2? |
| 18:43.57 | beelzabub | not sure about any other accessories there might be |
| 18:44.11 | Simpson_2 | swisstomcat, .nl |
| 18:44.26 | swisstomcat | get one from germany, they're unlocked |
| 18:44.30 | swisstomcat | O2 |
| 18:44.47 | en0x | with qwertz keyboard |
| 18:44.47 | en0x | :S |
| 18:44.56 | swisstomcat | of course |
| 18:45.06 | Simpson_2 | swisstomcat, I have one already :) |
| 18:45.12 | swisstomcat | oh |
| 18:45.14 | Simpson_2 | indeed from O2 |
| 18:45.17 | Simpson_2 | but no extras with it |
| 18:45.21 | Simpson_2 | and not on sale hre |
| 18:45.23 | Simpson_2 | here |
| 18:45.24 | swisstomcat | ah, you just want the extras |
| 18:45.41 | swisstomcat | radioshack had a sale on the touchstones a while ago |
| 18:45.42 | swisstomcat | $20 |
| 18:45.53 | Simpson_2 | okay I'll look for that then |
| 18:45.59 | Simpson_2 | I'll have some time there |
| 18:46.09 | Simpson_2 | the GF wants to do shopping.. well so do I ;) |
| 18:46.16 | swisstomcat | jmenbalek: you could try to start the webos doctor on the command line and see if you get a more detailed error message that way |
| 18:46.19 | vibol | does anyone have an idea of how to set optimal compcache size for the experimental uberkernel? |
| 18:46.37 | Simpson_2 | is this the place to ask questions about preware addons failing ? |
| 18:46.47 | swisstomcat | what addons? |
| 18:46.58 | Simpson_2 | uber calendar |
| 18:47.12 | swisstomcat | simpson_2: ask metaview in #webos |
| 18:47.14 | swisstomcat | the author |
| 18:47.15 | MetaView | well, yes |
| 18:47.20 | Simpson_2 | ah :) |
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| 18:47.38 | MetaView | it will conflict with every other calendar patch |
| 18:47.44 | Simpson_2 | ah like that |
| 18:47.48 | MetaView | as I almost patch every file |
| 18:49.05 | Simpson_2 | do you add 'default to month view' and 'all day event in month view' to your patch ? |
| 18:49.59 | MetaView | all day event is there and the default view is the last view it was open |
| 18:50.19 | MetaView | and you have the back gesture which brings you to the month view |
| 18:50.44 | Simpson_2 | okay, then I can delete the others ;9 |
| 18:50.49 | MetaView | but, there I think it might be better to go from day to week to month, but I'm not sure yet |
| 18:51.46 | Simpson_2 | MetaView, works now |
| 18:52.26 | Simpson_2 | and problems with the virtual keyboard ?? |
| 18:52.26 | MetaView | fine :) |
| 18:52.36 | MetaView | don't know |
| 18:54.51 | Jmenbalek | swisstomcat, ok i try that |
| 18:55.08 | swisstomcat | jmenbalek: java -jar webosdoctor.jar is what i usually use |
| 18:56.28 | Jmenbalek | oh |
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| 18:57.49 | Jmenbalek | i have restart my palm , and it's running but when i want use "first use" with wifi the plam restart and "fist use" disappears :| |
| 18:57.55 | Jmenbalek | it's normal ? |
| 18:58.34 | swisstomcat | don't think so |
| 18:59.06 | Jmenbalek | grumbl |
| 18:59.36 | swisstomcat | but if the doctor fails i wouldn't expect things to work |
| 19:00.03 | Jmenbalek | ok, i re try meta doctor |
| 19:00.26 | Jmenbalek | i pastebin the error |
| 19:02.13 | Jmenbalek | swisstomcat, http://pastebin.com/nDYsP2Gb |
| 19:03.02 | swisstomcat | doesn't sound good |
| 19:04.44 | swisstomcat | and this is with the original sfr 1.4.1 doctor from palm? |
| 19:04.48 | Jmenbalek | yes |
| 19:05.14 | Jmenbalek | i retry with o2 version |
| 19:05.22 | swisstomcat | oh |
| 19:05.29 | swisstomcat | but it's an SFR device? |
| 19:05.37 | Jmenbalek | yes |
| 19:06.07 | swisstomcat | ping beezlabub |
| 19:06.18 | swisstomcat | ping beelzabub |
| 19:06.29 | beelzabub | yo |
| 19:06.43 | swisstomcat | any idea what "Base ROM Failed Verification" means when doctoring? |
| 19:06.53 | swisstomcat | http://pastebin.com/nDYsP2Gb |
| 19:09.26 | beelzabub | my guess is that the ROM failed to download properly |
| 19:09.31 | beelzabub | i'm not sure how the validation is performed |
| 19:09.45 | swisstomcat | hmm |
| 19:09.58 | swisstomcat | i never had this error and i flashed my pre many times :) |
| 19:10.00 | beelzabub | try again - if it fails, then there must be some hash that you missed to update |
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| 19:10.09 | beelzabub | are you flashing a regular or patched ROM? |
| 19:10.14 | swisstomcat | regular |
| 19:10.18 | beelzabub | ok, weird |
| 19:10.27 | swisstomcat | first patched, now regular |
| 19:10.39 | swisstomcat | to see if that works |
| 19:10.42 | Jmenbalek | patched with only BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP |
| 19:10.59 | beelzabub | bets are off when you actually modify the contents |
| 19:11.09 | beelzabub | i suspect the doctor has a hash that it uses for validation |
| 19:11.11 | beelzabub | is there an option to bypass the ROM validation? |
| 19:11.22 | swisstomcat | good question |
| 19:12.10 | Jmenbalek | i test with o2 version for look |
| 19:12.15 | swisstomcat | ok |
| 19:12.23 | swisstomcat | see how far you get |
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| 19:22.24 | Jmenbalek | i have the same result |
| 19:22.50 | swisstomcat | :( |
| 19:22.59 | Jmenbalek | with other error |
| 19:23.34 | swisstomcat | oh? |
| 19:23.50 | Jmenbalek | i pastebin |
| 19:24.42 | Jmenbalek | http://pastebin.com/6zZKSBiT |
| 19:30.17 | Jmenbalek | i try the sprint version 1.4.1.1 :( |
| 19:30.45 | swisstomcat | don't think that will work |
| 19:30.48 | swisstomcat | since you have a GSM phone |
| 19:30.53 | swisstomcat | maybe your phone is toast? |
| 19:30.57 | Jmenbalek | oh shit |
| 19:31.00 | Jmenbalek | i'm stupid |
| 19:31.01 | Jmenbalek | ^ |
| 19:31.02 | swisstomcat | can you try on another computer? |
| 19:31.06 | Jmenbalek | no :( |
| 19:31.18 | Jmenbalek | i have only a computer with ubuntu |
| 19:31.36 | swisstomcat | i also use ubuntu, no problems so far |
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| 19:31.42 | swisstomcat | 9.10 and 10.04 |
| 19:32.27 | Jmenbalek | i use 10.04 |
| 19:32.34 | Jmenbalek | i dont have luck |
| 19:32.35 | Jmenbalek | xD |
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| 19:33.46 | Jmenbalek | it's strange because after a manual reboot the palm work great but not the fisrt use app |
| 19:34.00 | swisstomcat | yeah, strange |
| 19:35.22 | Jmenbalek | fucking sfr |
| 19:35.47 | en0x | no no |
| 19:35.57 | Jmenbalek | ? |
| 19:36.17 | en0x | oops wrong channel man |
| 19:36.23 | Jmenbalek | xD |
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| 19:44.25 | Jmenbalek | telcel is a gsm version ? |
| 19:47.00 | swisstomcat | telcel is at 1.4.0 |
| 19:47.03 | swisstomcat | mexican |
| 19:48.14 | Jmenbalek | at&t = gsm ? :/ |
| 19:48.33 | en0x | yap |
| 19:48.41 | Jmenbalek | i try that :/ |
| 19:48.45 | en0x | lol |
| 19:53.56 | chrisa | I wonder how much use a bnet auth app would get |
| 19:54.47 | swisstomcat | hrmm |
| 19:55.02 | swisstomcat | webosdoctor fails with "Base ROM Failed Verification" .. what gives? |
| 19:55.21 | MetaView | bnet auth app? |
| 19:56.23 | chrisa | swisstomcat: sounds like rootfs image is corrupted |
| 19:56.31 | swisstomcat | ouch |
| 19:56.50 | chrisa | In the doctor I mean. Download it again? |
| 19:56.57 | swisstomcat | oh |
| 19:57.14 | swisstomcat | strange enough two different doctors failed with the same error |
| 19:57.16 | swisstomcat | although |
| 19:57.25 | swisstomcat | one was metadoctored |
| 19:57.39 | swisstomcat | which is based on the original webosdoctor |
| 19:57.40 | swisstomcat | hmm |
| 19:57.52 | swisstomcat | still here, jmenbalek? |
| 19:58.15 | Jmenbalek | pwarf |
| 19:58.21 | Jmenbalek | error with this version too |
| 19:58.33 | swisstomcat | same error? |
| 19:58.39 | Jmenbalek | no other :/ |
| 19:58.47 | swisstomcat | have you checked the md5 sum for the original 1.4.1 sfr doctor? |
| 19:59.00 | Jmenbalek | hum n o |
| 19:59.07 | Jmenbalek | i dont know make that |
| 19:59.08 | Jmenbalek | :( |
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| 20:00.24 | swisstomcat | download again from here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
| 20:01.08 | Jmenbalek | ok |
| 20:01.33 | swisstomcat | let me download too and then we can compare md5 sums |
| 20:01.38 | swisstomcat | thanks for the hint, chrisa |
| 20:03.32 | Jmenbalek | ok |
| 20:10.48 | swisstomcat | jmenbalek: 7f7d258ba662dcd3085d76cb67dee906 webosdoctorp101ueu-wr.jar |
| 20:11.08 | Jmenbalek | what i give that ? |
| 20:11.25 | swisstomcat | md5sum webosdoctorp101ueu-wr.jar |
| 20:11.33 | Jmenbalek | ok |
| 20:12.26 | Jmenbalek | 7f7d258ba662dcd3085d76cb67dee906 webosdoctorp101ueu-wr.jar |
| 20:12.33 | Jmenbalek | same number |
| 20:12.36 | swisstomcat | great |
| 20:12.49 | swisstomcat | now try this webosdoctor |
| 20:12.58 | Jmenbalek | ok man |
| 20:13.03 | swisstomcat | java -jar webosdoctor101ueu-wr.jar |
| 20:25.42 | Jmenbalek | fuck |
| 20:25.45 | Jmenbalek | the same error |
| 20:26.13 | swisstomcat | very strange |
| 20:26.38 | swisstomcat | unless that webosdoctor is corrupt |
| 20:27.05 | Jmenbalek | i have downloaded here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor-FR#Si_webOS_Doctor_ne_fonctionne_pas |
| 20:28.53 | swisstomcat | we had the same md5sum, so the download went ok |
| 20:29.04 | swisstomcat | maybe the image on the palm server is corrupt |
| 20:29.09 | Jmenbalek | :( |
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| 20:31.42 | Jmenbalek | in the makefile , # Select "sprint", "bellmo", "telcel", "verizonwireless", "sfr", "wr" or "att". , i must write sfr ? |
| 20:32.21 | swisstomcat | i would try the original doctor first |
| 20:32.33 | swisstomcat | that one must work before going any further |
| 20:33.27 | swisstomcat | since the metadoctor modifies the original webosdoctor |
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| 20:33.55 | MetaView | one need a sql client for the pre |
| 20:34.53 | Jmenbalek | i have tried the original file and i have the same problem too |
| 20:35.25 | Jmenbalek | i have a fucking palm pre plus |
| 20:35.33 | swisstomcat | from SFR |
| 20:35.37 | Jmenbalek | yes |
| 20:36.02 | swisstomcat | maybe warpdesign_ can help to see if the image is ok |
| 20:36.04 | Jmenbalek | but i have read in more forum , this method works good with this .... |
| 20:36.11 | Jmenbalek | -in |
| 20:36.14 | swisstomcat | otherwise post your problem to developer.palm.com |
| 20:36.35 | Jmenbalek | i am sad xD |
| 20:36.47 | swisstomcat | yeah |
| 20:36.53 | swisstomcat | sucks |
| 20:38.51 | MetaView | send it the plus to me :) |
| 20:38.57 | MetaView | -it |
| 20:39.10 | Jmenbalek | ^^ |
| 20:40.28 | ka6sox-work | Jmenbalek, you are trying to flash a O2 doctor into a sfr phone? |
| 20:40.51 | swisstomcat | SFR doctor |
| 20:41.04 | swisstomcat | we even verified the md5sum |
| 20:41.15 | swisstomcat | unless the jar on the server has a problem |
| 20:41.26 | ka6sox-work | interesting...I have an 02 pixi-plus that uses -wr. |
| 20:41.31 | Jmenbalek | 02 ?! |
| 20:41.40 | ka6sox-work | -wr is 02 |
| 20:41.43 | Jmenbalek | ok |
| 20:41.44 | ka6sox-work | right? |
| 20:42.09 | swisstomcat | wr=world ready |
| 20:42.14 | Jmenbalek | android is more easy ^ |
| 20:42.51 | ka6sox-work | okay... swisstomcat I guess I don't understand why meta-doctor needs to know sfr vs wr... |
| 20:43.30 | swisstomcat | o2 is p100ueu-wr and SFR is p101ueu-wr |
| 20:43.56 | ka6sox-work | its a plus? |
| 20:44.01 | swisstomcat | yeah |
| 20:44.07 | ka6sox-work | k |
| 20:44.15 | swisstomcat | you think you can flash any wr? |
| 20:44.26 | ka6sox-work | ? |
| 20:44.48 | swisstomcat | i mean flash any wr on any device |
| 20:45.02 | ka6sox-work | dunnos |
| 20:45.09 | MetaView | g'night |
| 20:45.15 | swisstomcat | night metaview |
| 20:45.26 | Jmenbalek | good night MetaView |
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| 20:46.03 | swisstomcat | jmenbalek: you said that the o2 doctor failed too? |
| 20:46.12 | Jmenbalek | yes |
| 20:46.19 | ka6sox-work | I can tell you what works on a 02 pixi plus and what doesn't. |
| 20:46.22 | Jmenbalek | any version failed |
| 20:46.23 | Jmenbalek | :'( |
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| 20:46.45 | ka6sox-work | what is @ 82%? |
| 20:46.46 | warpdesign_ | hi there |
| 20:47.03 | ka6sox-work | morning. |
| 20:47.05 | swisstomcat | jmenbalek has a SFR pre plus |
| 20:47.14 | swisstomcat | and it can't be doctored |
| 20:47.27 | warpdesign_ | ah, that's too bad |
| 20:47.33 | swisstomcat | fails with "Base ROM Failed Verification" |
| 20:47.33 | warpdesign_ | why cannot it be doctored ? |
| 20:47.37 | warpdesign_ | hmm.. |
| 20:47.57 | swisstomcat | (09:56:21 PM) chrisa: swisstomcat: sounds like rootfs image is corrupted |
| 20:48.07 | Jmenbalek | after i select french in first use , the palm reboot and first use disappears |
| 20:48.07 | warpdesign_ | never played with that since I had no real phone.. |
| 20:48.08 | swisstomcat | (09:56:48 PM) chrisa: In the doctor I mean. Download it again? |
| 20:48.36 | warpdesign_ | maybe you should download it again indeed |
| 20:48.47 | swisstomcat | jmenbalek: it was like that after you unpacked it? |
| 20:48.57 | swisstomcat | warpdesign: we already checked the md5sum |
| 20:49.21 | Jmenbalek | yes swisstomcat |
| 20:49.43 | swisstomcat | jmenbalek: return it? |
| 20:49.52 | Jmenbalek | :( |
| 20:50.00 | warpdesign_ | ok, then checksum is ok.. |
| 20:50.05 | torchie | how do you open the packages installed with ipkg-opt? |
| 20:50.30 | ka6sox-work | torchie, which packages? |
| 20:50.45 | swisstomcat | jmenbalek: if the device doesn't work out of the box return it to SFR |
| 20:51.08 | Jmenbalek | the devices works fine |
| 20:51.16 | Jmenbalek | it's only with meta doctor |
| 20:51.44 | torchie | vim? |
| 20:51.45 | swisstomcat | meta doctor failed |
| 20:51.58 | swisstomcat | and now not even the original webosdoctor works |
| 20:53.00 | Jmenbalek | i can use the palm in wifi etc ... but i dont have sfr , i have the nextgen soluce but before i must register the palm |
| 20:53.40 | swisstomcat | hmm |
| 20:53.58 | swisstomcat | not much you can do now that the original webosdoctor doesn't work |
| 20:54.14 | Jmenbalek | in the french forum nothing answer me .... french are so noob xD |
| 20:54.30 | ka6sox-work | torchie, did you look in /opt/bin? |
| 20:54.34 | warpdesign_ | well, french people use iphones ;) |
| 20:54.40 | warpdesign_ | and usually don't need that ;) |
| 20:54.41 | Jmenbalek | xD |
| 20:54.54 | torchie | I did not |
| 20:55.04 | torchie | gonna do that |
| 20:56.01 | ka6sox-work | I should look no my phone to see if its there or /opt/usr/bin |
| 20:56.09 | ka6sox-work | s/no/on |
| 20:56.22 | swisstomcat | one thing to try: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#If_the_Doctor_will_not_run |
| 20:56.34 | warpdesign_ | Jmenbalek: tu recois les msg privés ? ;) |
| 20:58.59 | ka6sox-work | torchie, probably in /opt/usr/bin |
| 20:59.32 | ka6sox-work | Too Many Cards...arrgh...only 30 open! sheesh |
| 21:00.11 | torchie | my /opt/bin just has the ipkg and update-alternatives |
| 21:00.18 | torchie | and ipkg-opt |
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| 21:00.33 | ka6sox-work | look in /opt/usr/bin |
| 21:00.39 | ka6sox-work | thats where it should be. |
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| 21:01.00 | Tman | working, though basic, real-time analyzer running on my pre! |
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| 21:03.30 | ka6sox-work | torchie: /opt/usr/bin |
| 21:03.51 | swisstomcat | tman: cool .. details? |
| 21:04.40 | Tman | swisstomcat: it uses alsa for now. FFT is done using kiss_fft, and 2d graphics using OpenGL for speed |
| 21:05.04 | swisstomcat | very nice |
| 21:05.09 | swisstomcat | plan to release it? |
| 21:05.36 | Tman | swisstomcat: sure, once I get a usable interface and smoothing etc. :) |
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| 21:06.25 | dtzWill | Tman: exciting :) |
| 21:06.49 | Tman | this is going to be submitted to the app store though, so might have to wait on them.. they might not accept it until they come out with the new APIs |
| 21:07.14 | Tman | yall can beta test if you want |
| 21:09.45 | swisstomcat | sure |
| 21:11.14 | swisstomcat | goodnight everyone |
| 21:11.22 | ka6sox-work | nite swisstomcat |
| 21:11.40 | swisstomcat | good luck, jmenbalek |
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| 21:14.44 | Jmenbalek | thx |
| 21:14.48 | Jmenbalek | oups too lat |
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| 21:36.08 | HattCzech_work | Tman: what's the analyzer used for? |
| 21:38.08 | Tman | analyzing frequencies in sound through the mic |
| 21:38.25 | Tman | used in a lot of professional sound applications, as well as others I can't think of right now ;) |
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| 21:48.14 | HattCzech_work | awesome |
| 21:52.26 | ka6sox-work | Tman, that should like fun....I'd like to test that. |
| 21:53.32 | Tman | ka6sox-work: I'll put you down. |
| 21:54.11 | ka6sox-work | I have several things I'd use it for. |
| 21:54.57 | ka6sox-work | one would be to analyze whether a fan is failing or now. |
| 21:54.58 | ka6sox-work | er not |
| 21:55.25 | Tman | interesting.. you plan to determine that with just frequency data? |
| 21:55.36 | ka6sox-work | yes, I've done it before |
| 21:56.04 | Tman | what kind of fan is this? |
| 21:56.11 | ka6sox-work | but I hate dragging up my HP Analzyer to the mountaintop. |
| 21:56.18 | ka6sox-work | Muffin Fan. |
| 21:56.31 | vibol | has anyone tinkered with the fps of the webOS rendering speed? is it possible tomake scrolling as smooth as an iPhone? |
| 21:56.32 | Tman | oh, cool |
| 21:58.01 | ka6sox-work | Tman whats the max freq you can analyze? what the sample rate? |
| 21:59.21 | Tman | ka6sox-work: well the sample rate is 44.1kHz, so that's technically the max frequency, though I'm planning on capping it just above 20 kHz for display purposes |
| 21:59.31 | Tman | ka6sox-work: do you need something above 20k? |
| 22:00.56 | ka6sox-work | Tman, no....22.05khz (Nyquist) is good enough. |
| 22:02.37 | Tman | ok, that's included |
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| 22:12.13 | dtzWill | hmm weirdness happens if save package list refers to a package that doesn't exist |
| 22:12.28 | dtzWill | (my case, package from testing feed and i hadn't re-added testing feed again) |
| 22:12.51 | dtzWill | but if it happens in more general case of package being deprecated perhaps that's an issue |
| 22:23.03 | Jmenbalek | hi people |
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| 22:30.11 | dtzWill | confirmed: package not existing tells me to look at the ipkg log and that itself isn't super clear |
| 22:30.20 | dtzWill | maybe we could detect this case and warn the user? |
| 22:31.01 | dtzWill | regardless this is still a /lifesaver/ with regards to reinstalling all those patches/apps :):) |
| 22:32.29 | rwhitby | dtzWill: yeah, that and missing dependencies are things we need to give better errors for. |
| 22:34.50 | vibol | rwhitby: i'm running your testing kernel/govnah |
| 22:35.30 | vibol | rwhitby: do you know if compcache adds enough cpu processing overhead to be noticeable? might it drain battery life slightly faster? |
| 22:37.11 | rwhitby | vibol: compcache adds no cpu processing overhead unless you are swapping. |
| 22:38.04 | warpdesign_ | good night |
| 22:38.30 | vibol | rwhitby: what's the compcache size limitation for? |
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| 22:41.22 | Jmenbalek | grumbl fuck sfr fuck |
| 22:41.23 | Jmenbalek | :'( |
| 22:41.37 | zsoc|away | Jmenbalek: language |
| 22:42.12 | Jmenbalek | yes i know but i'm too nervous |
| 22:42.13 | Jmenbalek | sorry |
| 22:42.14 | Jmenbalek | :( |
| 22:42.30 | zsoc | about what? |
| 22:42.56 | Jmenbalek | because i use meta doctor for use wifi for register my palm pre plus to palm |
| 22:42.59 | Jmenbalek | but |
| 22:43.00 | zsoc | oh, trying to get a french pre to work on /not/ sfr |
| 22:43.05 | Jmenbalek | i have a error at 84% |
| 22:43.11 | zsoc | what kind of error? |
| 22:43.21 | Jmenbalek | i give you the pastebin |
| 22:43.46 | Jmenbalek | http://pastebin.com/nDYsP2Gb |
| 22:44.38 | rwhitby | vibol: how much memory it reserves for it's use I believe. 18MB is that max I've seen it use. |
| 22:44.38 | Jmenbalek | after the "error" i reboot manual the palm and it's run in wifi but app first use disappears after selection language |
| 22:44.44 | zsoc | verification failure? looks like uh.. you should uncomment the part that verifies.. uh.. things |
| 22:44.49 | zsoc | rwhitby: does that sound right? :P |
| 22:45.03 | vibol | rwhitby: cool, thanks for the intel |
| 22:45.52 | vibol | does anyone know if screen fps is adjustable in webOS? iPhone scrolling is smooth like butter. webOS less so... |
| 22:45.55 | rwhitby | Jmenbalek: 84% is ROM verification. The Pre will still restart and operate. Post in the Meta-Doctor thread with your exact settings used (including the exact URL of the doctor you used) and I'll test it. |
| 22:46.18 | beelzabub | vibol - no |
| 22:46.23 | Jmenbalek | i have test uncomment only BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP = 1 and dont work , now i have test that http://pastebin.com/m0TSy19F and dont work too |
| 22:46.24 | beelzabub | the problem isn't some fps setting that is set low ;) |
| 22:46.30 | rwhitby | zsoc: no, the verification should not be disabled. meta-doctor adjusts the md5sums for any changes it makes |
| 22:46.35 | zsoc | vibol: the problem is not fps at all... but 800mhz helps ;) |
| 22:46.55 | zsoc | rwhitby: can i assume you've already seen this error than and don't have an answer? you would know :P :) |
| 22:47.07 | Jmenbalek | rwhitby, i try with that http://www.webos-internals.org/index.php?title=Application:MetaDoctor-FR and http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
| 22:47.31 | rwhitby | Jmenbalek: remove carrier check and remove model check should almost never be used, and are likely to cause a rom verification failuer |
| 22:48.06 | Jmenbalek | ok |
| 22:48.08 | Jmenbalek | i re try |
| 22:48.24 | rwhitby | Jmenbalek: also note that the bypass first use doesn't set the visible flag on other languages, so you need to use palm-launch to launch it. Please add that note to the wiki page. |
| 22:48.32 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 22:48.37 | vibol | zsoc: i'm running at 800mhz, but the difference isn't huge. what's the issue behind the scrolling? is it because the UI isn't opengl? |
| 22:48.49 | beelzabub | no |
| 22:48.51 | Jmenbalek | palm launch ??? |
| 22:48.59 | beelzabub | viol: it's a complex answer |
| 22:49.13 | zsoc | very complex |
| 22:49.13 | vibol | beelzabub: all outside our control? |
| 22:49.33 | Jmenbalek | rwhitby, i can com in your pm ? |
| 22:49.36 | beelzabub | that i don't know |
| 22:50.05 | beelzabub | i haven't thought about it |
| 22:50.25 | zsoc | Jmenbalek: it's not polite to com in people's pms. |
| 22:50.28 | vibol | beelzabub: ahh, okay |
| 22:50.45 | Jmenbalek | hum dont understand but ok xD |
| 22:51.05 | Jmenbalek | i dont have understand your last message with bypass first |
| 22:51.21 | Jmenbalek | what is palm launch ? |
| 22:51.27 | vibol | beelzabub: any idea where one would look to learn more about it? |
| 22:51.40 | beelzabub | well, you can start trying to figure out the javascript |
| 22:51.49 | beelzabub | i don't know if it's worth it though |
| 22:51.51 | zsoc | beelz has a bit of an unfair advantage when it comes to webOS knowledge :P |
| 22:51.54 | beelzabub | :) |
| 22:52.05 | vibol | i notice the ip address :) |
| 22:52.54 | vibol | beelzabub: are you referring to extra long lists that slow down scrolling? i'm just talking about the basic shortlist and scrolling action as compared to the iPhone... |
| 22:53.00 | beelzabub | does our webkit support canvas? if it does, you can try rewriting the launcher (luna-applauncher) using canvas |
| 22:53.05 | beelzabub | otherwise I suspect you're out of luck |
| 22:53.39 | beelzabub | vibol: i thought you were talking about the launcher |
| 22:53.45 | vibol | beelzabub: ahh lol |
| 22:53.47 | bpadalino | beelzabub: whenever i see your nick, i am reminded of the soul coughing song |
| 22:53.51 | beelzabub | otherwise, yes, you are out of luck |
| 22:54.10 | bpadalino | and the beginning of the song goes on in my head |
| 22:54.25 | zsoc | beelzabub: luna-applauncher is js? |
| 22:54.31 | beelzabub | yup |
| 22:54.37 | vibol | beelzabub: i meant any list of items, like a list of titles. something about the iPhone's rendering/polling rate just feels more fluid. |
| 22:54.40 | beelzabub | /usr/lib/luna/ |
| 22:54.48 | zsoc | hm... rewrite it in canvas... that's a brilliant fricken idea |
| 22:54.54 | vibol | yeah |
| 22:55.00 | beelzabub | do we support canvas? |
| 22:55.03 | bpadalino | yeah |
| 22:55.04 | beelzabub | might be interesting |
| 22:55.05 | bpadalino | you do |
| 22:55.29 | beelzabub | not sure if it will actually improve performance |
| 22:55.35 | beelzabub | the only place would be re-ordering icons |
| 22:56.12 | vibol | beelzabub: i guess the fluid action i'm talking about is the same thing whether it's a list or the launcher |
| 22:56.19 | beelzabub | i doubt it'll affect scrolling performance, but if it does, that'll be something really interesting |
| 22:56.25 | beelzabub | vibol: yeah i know |
| 22:56.38 | beelzabub | there's nothing you can do |
| 22:56.57 | vibol | beelzabub: as a user, or as a programmer? :D |
| 22:57.14 | beelzabub | a lot of the problem with that lies in the native code |
| 22:57.21 | vibol | ahh |
| 22:58.29 | zsoc | beelzabub: I wouldn't call it a 'problem' so much |
| 22:58.35 | zsoc | Palm actually /solved/ the problem getting it to work at all |
| 22:58.44 | zsoc | it's unique, just a bit ahead of it's time |
| 22:58.49 | zsoc | html5 has a long ways to mature |
| 22:58.54 | beelzabub | i meant the performance problem with scrolling |
| 22:59.03 | beelzabub | not problem - but the suboptimal behaviour |
| 22:59.35 | zsoc | hahaha well put |
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| 22:59.51 | zsoc | dual core 800 arm would fix it ;) |
| 22:59.55 | bpadalino | i bought a textbook today while i was at work :( |
| 23:01.43 | beelzabub | you'd be surprised how often throwing faster hardware at a problem doesn't make it that much better |
| 23:03.22 | zsoc | beelzabub: i wouldn't be suprised, but i enjoy faster hardware :D |
| 23:03.49 | beelzabub | that's the point though - if you throw hardware at the problem but don't solve the SW problem, you won't see any performance improvement |
| 23:04.07 | beelzabub | so aside from the e-pen** factor, there's minimal benefit aside from increased battery drain |
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| 23:04.08 | beelzabub | :) |
| 23:05.54 | vibol | beelzabub: is the touchscreen polling or event-based? |
| 23:06.03 | beelzabub | castle is polling |
| 23:06.10 | beelzabub | can't recall pixie, but i suspect polling as well |
| 23:07.04 | vibol | ahh, any idea what rate its polling at? |
| 23:07.54 | beelzabub | 50fps i believe |
| 23:08.20 | beelzabub | & by i believe i mean that that's what i measured & what i've been told |
| 23:08.50 | vibol | ahh, is that the ts's max polling rate? |
| 23:09.05 | beelzabub | not sure |
| 23:09.23 | beelzabub | i suspect it's the fastest you can do given the way it's architected |
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| 23:10.06 | vibol | i'm just curious because i notice the scrolling action looks more fluid when i flick lightly and release my finger |
| 23:11.31 | vibol | i wonder if what i'm seeing is just because of some translation lag between touchscreen and gui |
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| 23:12.38 | zsoc | vibol: there is a lot of abstraction going on |
| 23:13.11 | vibol | zsoc: yeah, i can imagine. hardware <> java <> webkit <> js <> html5 ..... |
| 23:13.17 | beelzabub | no - it's not that i don't think (although it does have to go through several layers of abstraction to get there |
| 23:13.23 | beelzabub | *by there i mean the js app |
| 23:13.27 | beelzabub | at no point is it going through java |
| 23:13.28 | beelzabub | ever |
| 23:13.33 | vibol | ahh |
| 23:13.36 | vibol | is webkit native? |
| 23:13.45 | zsoc | but there is hardware, and low lever bridge drivers for the hardware |
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| 23:13.51 | beelzabub | it goes kernel -> hidd -> sysmgr -> webkit -> v8 |
| 23:13.53 | zsoc | and then native code (mostly C) on top of that |
| 23:13.57 | vibol | mmm |
| 23:13.58 | mjkjr | uber kernel won't update due to ramzswap.ko and xvmalloc.ko, so I removed and thought I'd reinstall, now I can't install uber kernel again. has anyone tested this? |
| 23:14.03 | beelzabub | what do you mean by "is webkit native" |
| 23:14.04 | beelzabub | ? |
| 23:14.06 | zsoc | beelzabub: v8? i thought they reverted v8 in 1.4.1? |
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| 23:14.16 | beelzabub | zsoc: how do you mean? |
| 23:14.19 | vibol | beelzabub: i meant compiled c |
| 23:14.25 | beelzabub | we've been using v8 since day 1 |
| 23:14.34 | beelzabub | webkit is c++ |
| 23:14.39 | vibol | got it |
| 23:14.45 | beelzabub | what else would it be in? |
| 23:14.52 | oilsworkn | python |
| 23:14.55 | beelzabub | lol |
| 23:14.56 | vibol | php |
| 23:14.57 | zsoc | maybe i was confusing v8 with the json parser |
| 23:14.58 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:15.02 | vibol | haha |
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| 23:15.18 | beelzabub | it's definitely v8 |
| 23:15.22 | beelzabub | /usr/lib/libv8.so |
| 23:15.32 | zsoc | o |
| 23:15.34 | zsoc | ok then |
| 23:16.27 | vibol | beelzabub: way off tangent, but how come there's so much OS logging turned on by default? i was poking around the other day and switched off a ton of PmLog logging on my device to prevent it from writing to /var/log |
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| 23:17.23 | beelzabub | that's a question I've been asking since day 1 :). i'm trying to push for us to shut up all the chatty garbage that tends to end up there |
| 23:17.30 | vibol | lol |
| 23:17.35 | vibol | the log grows extremely fast with wifi on because of an iptables rule that logs anything hitting the phone |
| 23:17.45 | beelzabub | wth - really? |
| 23:17.50 | vibol | yes |
| 23:18.00 | vibol | well, that's what i've seen |
| 23:18.08 | beelzabub | can you send me that log snippet? |
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| 23:19.09 | vibol | sure, let me plug my phone in real quick |
| 23:20.00 | zsoc | yeah that sounds right |
| 23:20.10 | zsoc | uNiXpSyChO and sbromwich have a load of kernel logging complaints |
| 23:22.50 | vibol | beelzabub: i don't have any logs anymore, but here's the iptables rule that loads up the log. it's in both /etc/pmnetconfig/iptables-(common|default).config ; -A INPUT -m limit --limit 3/sec -j LOG --log-prefix "IPT_PACKET_DROPPED_NO_MATCH: " --log-level 7 |
| 23:23.31 | vibol | log-level 7 is DEBUG level, so i guess PmLog is set to listen to everything |
| 23:23.59 | beelzabub | thanks |
| 23:24.11 | vibol | np, it might save some battery life :D |
| 23:24.46 | beelzabub | is 7 a debug level in the iptables rule? |
| 23:24.53 | vibol | yes |
| 23:25.03 | vibol | it conforms with syslog levels |
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| 23:27.25 | vibol | My phone has all Contexts set to none in /etc/PmLogContexts.conf to silence most of the kernel-level logging but user-space apps still do some logging against PmLog |
| 23:28.43 | uNiXpSyChO | kernel buffer logging is harmless. its the messages file that slows down the phone |
| 23:28.57 | vibol | yup |
| 23:29.08 | vibol | all that stuff gets flushed to messages |
| 23:29.28 | ka6sox-work | hiya, uNiXpSyChO |
| 23:29.29 | beelzabub | can you send me the actual log line from /var/log/messages? |
| 23:29.37 | uNiXpSyChO | ka6sox-work: yo |
| 23:29.49 | beelzabub | & /etc/PmLog.conf |
| 23:30.16 | vibol | beelzabub: sure, i'll turn logging back to normal and capture those lines |
| 23:30.20 | ka6sox-work | uNiXpSyChO, what should I be atweaking on compcache to make it work for more than 32 cards? |
| 23:30.57 | uNiXpSyChO | nothing really. it should just work if you are running latest Uber |
| 23:31.16 | uNiXpSyChO | i was running it last night w/o compcache and got it over 30 cards |
| 23:31.17 | ka6sox-work | I'm running -37 |
| 23:31.41 | uNiXpSyChO | hmm. let me check again. cuz i didnt run 3 3d games like rwhitby ;P |
| 23:32.02 | ka6sox-work | I ran 3ea games + video player + browser. |
| 23:32.10 | uNiXpSyChO | reboots into one of 6 kernels on his Pre |
| 23:32.12 | ka6sox-work | (+ 27 other cards) |
| 23:32.29 | uNiXpSyChO | that should be good |
| 23:32.45 | uNiXpSyChO | 3d games are hogs... |
| 23:32.49 | ka6sox-work | ya, indeed. |
| 23:33.05 | uNiXpSyChO | when i got 48 cards i didnt run 3 games :-) |
| 23:33.08 | beelzabub | pastebin |
| 23:33.33 | ka6sox-work | webos-internals.pastebin.com |
| 23:33.54 | ka6sox-work | oh, if I didn't run the browser I got a LOT more. |
| 23:33.55 | uNiXpSyChO | ka6sox-work is distracting me from doing a MPLS cutover for work |
| 23:34.18 | ka6sox-work | uNiXpSyChO, heh....I"m doing a multiple T-1 cutover now too. |
| 23:34.40 | ka6sox-work | MPLS didn't work for us. |
| 23:34.53 | uNiXpSyChO | why not? T1' s ar so 90's |
| 23:35.07 | uNiXpSyChO | drag in an OC48 and be done. |
| 23:35.29 | ka6sox-work | because I'm needing syncronized audio @ each site and it didn't work. |
| 23:35.58 | ka6sox-work | 3 stereo streams. |
| 23:36.14 | ka6sox-work | Main + HD1 + HD2 |
| 23:36.23 | uNiXpSyChO | a PRI would work better no? ISDN F link? |
| 23:36.29 | ka6sox-work | PRI |
| 23:36.49 | ka6sox-work | ISDN costs too much...mileage + time |
| 23:37.10 | uNiXpSyChO | well a PRI is basic rate ISDN :-) |
| 23:37.14 | ka6sox-work | we use them for the Symphony and the Opera. |
| 23:37.22 | uNiXpSyChO | there's an ISDN high grade used in broadcast |
| 23:37.30 | ka6sox-work | thats what we use. |
| 23:37.34 | uNiXpSyChO | ah |
| 23:37.45 | ka6sox-work | we just bond the 2 barriers. |
| 23:38.15 | uNiXpSyChO | sorry... we got carried away :-) |
| 23:38.21 | ka6sox-work | ya...sorry |
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| 23:38.35 | ka6sox-work | everything has to be syncronous. |
| 23:39.00 | uNiXpSyChO | bus and tag |
| 23:39.21 | ka6sox-work | 8 seconds of delay between Main and HD1 |
| 23:39.36 | uNiXpSyChO | ouch! |
| 23:40.06 | ka6sox-work | well....8192ms to be precise. |
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| 23:50.44 | Jmenbalek | pwarf |
| 23:50.49 | Jmenbalek | i have already the same errorr |
| 23:50.50 | Jmenbalek | :'( |
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