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| 00:17.17 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: so the Pixi is leading the Linpack benchmarking, hey? 600MHz Pixi is faster than 1050MHz Pre |
| 00:17.41 | uNiXpSyChO | i am speechless |
| 00:17.44 | rwhitby | Watch the reaction if I tweet those figures :) |
| 00:22.56 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: so, have you seen any issues with Govnah 0.4.8 in your usage? |
| 00:23.25 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: I'm figuring we add sticky compcache to Govnah, and have F10x disable their compcache if that file exists, and then we should be close to a public release |
| 00:23.59 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Hola. |
| 00:24.09 | rwhitby | hey BeeRad how as camping? |
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| 00:25.19 | BeeRad | Hot and wet. 105*F heat index on day one when we set up, and later that night had horrible thunderstorms. Rain was coming down so fast it was 1" in about 20min. Day 2 was awesome. Go figure. |
| 00:28.21 | BeeRad | rwhitby: I hope you do Tweet those results. Pixi = a badass in sheeps clothing. lol |
| 00:29.00 | rwhitby | BeeRad: BTW, I was pulling your leg about the releases on the weekend. |
| 00:31.09 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Well, there WERE some releases...just nothing earth shattering. Wanna know how much I love this stuff? I was DLing updates over 1x. It was horrific. haha |
| 00:32.09 | uNiXpSyChO | rwhitby: 0.4.8 looks good to me. changes compcache when F10x already had it enabled. so having it disable on boot would work. |
| 00:52.08 | BeeRad | So does the Pixi (theoretically) have the ability to be better than the Pre? i.e. under the hood with tweaks and optimization? Screen and camera aside... |
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| 00:54.44 | Gollyzila | Where can I find more info on the compcache memlimit that's found in Govnah? |
| 00:55.02 | rwhitby | Gollyzila: probably only the source code at the moment. |
| 00:56.05 | Gollyzila | I need an explanation as to what it means. I THINK I know, but I'd like to be sure of it. |
| 00:58.07 | rwhitby | what do you think it means? |
| 00:58.38 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Thoughts on my question above? |
| 00:58.59 | Gollyzila | Lets say it's set to 16mb. Once the device's RAM hits 16, compcache kicks in? |
| 00:59.13 | rwhitby | BeeRad: nope. "better" is too subjective to have any opinion on it :) |
| 01:00.16 | BeeRad | rwhitby; True, but subjective opinion doesn't cover up objective facts. I'm asking based on the facts presented. |
| 01:00.37 | rwhitby | there is only one fact presented so far. Linpack runs faster. |
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| 01:02.19 | Gollyzila | rwhitby: Was I correct? |
| 01:02.43 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Ok. I would love to see a well presented comparison of a tweaked Pre+ vs. a tweaked Pixi+. Full efforts given to both. |
| 01:03.49 | rwhitby | BeeRad: yep, when can you have it ready? ;) |
| 01:04.34 | BeeRad | As soon as you learn underwater basket weaving. :P |
| 01:05.49 | rwhitby | how do you know I'm not a master of that already? |
| 01:07.00 | Gollyzila | Soooo rwhitby, is my thinking correct or totally wrong? |
| 01:07.21 | BeeRad | rwhitby: How do you know I'm not well versed in the realm of coding? |
| 01:09.35 | rwhitby | BeeRad: I'm assuming you are, and am waiting for your results ;) |
| 01:10.49 | rwhitby | Gollyzila: I think (I'm not 100% sure of what it does either), that the memlimit is the amount of memory that compcache will use for compressed ram pages before dumping them out to the flash area instead. And it takes that amount of memory away from your programs, making swapping happen earlier than it otherwise would have. |
| 01:12.57 | Gollyzila | rwhitby: thank you for the response. So the higher the memlimit, the less RAM I have for programs? |
| 01:13.32 | rwhitby | no, the less ram you have for fastest access before compcache starts slowing access down by compressing. |
| 01:13.50 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Totally incorrect unfortunately. Totally ignorant. :( Got my firs smartphone in Sept. of 2009 and I know nothing about code. I just wait for updates like the rest of your faithful followers. I just like the title of Alpha Tester. I'm really a fake, a front, and a total nOOb. |
| 01:14.05 | rwhitby | (but on the other hand, the more compressed space you have before compcache has to dump the swap pages out to very slow flash) |
| 01:15.43 | Gollyzila | Wow, I'm on EV data with full signal and I have 36.84% battery drain per hour. Is that normal for a Sprint Pre? |
| 01:16.33 | Tman | nope |
| 01:17.16 | Tman | unless you're downloading something or running something processor-intensive maybe |
| 01:18.19 | Gollyzila | Thanks rwhitby for the info. I'm trying to understand all this but I can't. |
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| 01:18.47 | bpadalino | haha, i like that.. "Hrm, can't figure this out .. better /quit" |
| 01:18.55 | rwhitby | TANSTAAFL |
| 01:19.02 | Tman | lol |
| 01:20.50 | Tman | ugh.. TWiki is becoming a pain.. any recommendations for web applications for a private tester-developer collaboration site? |
| 01:20.55 | rwhitby | So many people expect a custom kernel to be able to magically provide performance and battery life in excess of what Palm engineers were able to achieve. Whilst that might be true for specific usage cases, for the general consumer demographic you have to basically assume that Palm engineers know exactly what they are doing and have got the best out of the hardware that they could. |
| 01:21.37 | Tman | I wanted a wiki and blog.. it gives me that (sort of,) but there's no way to email all the testers.. and the only semi-way is broken -_- |
| 01:21.45 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Well said. I am fully aware that any changes I am making could possibly make my life WORSE, not better. |
| 01:22.23 | rwhitby | Tman: we're looking at redmine at the moment |
| 01:23.04 | Tman | hmm ruby on rails.. wonder if my shared hosting will do that |
| 01:23.29 | Tman | yup |
| 01:32.14 | Tman | sigh.. maybe I should just use twiki and have a separate mailing list |
| 01:34.06 | Tman | rwhitby: out of curiosity did you look at Trac and dotProject? |
| 01:34.25 | rwhitby | Tman: we use Trac now. Looking at redmine as a possible upgrade on that |
| 01:35.19 | rwhitby | Tman: dotProject looks more like what I'd use as a manager, not a developer. |
| 01:35.47 | Tman | oh gotcha |
| 01:37.19 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Are those Linpack results posted anywhere or just word of mouth? |
| 01:39.02 | rwhitby | BeeRad: jhojho posted them at http://gist.github.com/443429 |
| 01:45.09 | BeeRad | 55229Kflops = 5.52Mflops correct assumption? |
| 01:46.02 | rwhitby | dunno whether Mflops are usually Mflops or Miflops (e.g. GB vs GiB) |
| 01:48.18 | BeeRad | Froyo 2.2 - 38.392 Mflops, Eclair 2.1 on EVO - 5.79Mflops, and 2.1 Eclair on Droid - 4.538Mflops so just curious where the Pixi and Pre fell in that. |
| 01:50.33 | uNiXpSyChO | wouldnt that be 55.2Mflops? |
| 01:51.12 | BeeRad | uNiXpSyChO: why I was asking.... |
| 01:51.51 | uNiXpSyChO | that's the way i read it. the only real comparison is the EVO or Nexus 1 which are both 1gig |
| 01:51.55 | BeeRad | uNiXpSyChO: I'm just comparing test results to Linpack running on Android. |
| 01:52.41 | uNiXpSyChO | Froyo will only be faster with apps due to the new JIT |
| 01:53.09 | BeeRad | uNiXpSyChO: The Froyo 2.2 results above were on Nexus. |
| 01:55.26 | Tman | is it possible to put SDK widgets on top of or next to OpenGL in a hybrid app? :/ |
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| 02:01.21 | bpadalino | hybrid stuff isn't really very well supported just yet .. in the end i think it's the goal to be able to place things on top of each other and layer them .. but that's just conjecture and my own opinion |
| 02:02.26 | Tman | yeah I doubt webkit is suited for that just yet |
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| 02:03.00 | Tman | which means I need to create my own widgets |
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| 02:19.49 | BeeRad | uNiXpSyChO: Is the 800+Mhz kernel going to be released in the Alpha feed? |
| 02:20.46 | uNiXpSyChO | still deciding if i want a nation of destruction after massive meltdowns |
| 02:21.54 | BeeRad | uNiXpSyChO: How warm is it at idle/running say 3D gaming? |
| 02:25.12 | uNiXpSyChO | mid 30's idle, high 40's during games. 49 was not uncommon. |
| 02:26.07 | BeeRad | uNiXpSyChO: And is there a way to find out exactly how many people actually tap into the Alpha feeds? Isn't that what it's for? People who go for broke and don't care for test purposes? |
| 02:26.41 | BeeRad | My phone sees 40's easy when charging. 44-45* isnt uncommon. |
| 02:27.42 | uNiXpSyChO | those are the people I want to avoid. then they complain when the wind changes direction around the Pre. |
| 02:29.39 | BeeRad | uNiXpSyChO: Then the Alpha feeds are too accessible. I don't care and go for broke, but I don't complain. I merely report what I see even though there may not be a quick answer or response. People who tap the Alpha feeds and expect miracles are the ones you need to avoid IMO. |
| 02:30.31 | uNiXpSyChO | that's exactly what i mean. those users that just want to say "me too!". |
| 02:31.50 | BeeRad | uNiXpSyChO: Then who decides who should be Alpha testing? |
| 02:32.10 | uNiXpSyChO | me |
| 02:33.42 | BeeRad | uNiXpSyChO: So what's your answer to the problem? |
| 02:34.22 | uNiXpSyChO | so i'm guess i'm cuaght up in just releasing it with a disclaimer written in blood and expect radioactive fallout or release to a select few. |
| 02:34.36 | BeeRad | uNiXpSyChO: LOL |
| 02:35.23 | BeeRad | uNiXpSyChO: Select few it is. Wouldn't want you sacrificing small children for their ink. |
| 02:37.19 | uNiXpSyChO | i wonder if there is a way to write the package description in bold, red, 60pt font in the feed? |
| 02:39.15 | BeeRad | uNiXpSyChO: Nah, just make the Alpha testing password protected. Password: GoatsBlood. |
| 02:39.30 | Tman | argh!!! I guess I am creating a new debian install in VM, trying to cross-compile packages on my mac is just not working |
| 02:39.48 | bpadalino | Tman: ?? |
| 02:40.12 | Tman | I'm trying to cross-compile libraries, like SDL_gfx |
| 02:40.27 | bpadalino | Tman: did you grab the osx pdk from palm ? |
| 02:40.53 | Tman | yes yes, but autoconf is a PITA on this thing |
| 02:41.11 | bpadalino | oh, so you're in autoconf hell .. |
| 02:41.20 | Tman | yes -_- |
| 02:41.24 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: I'd say that building your own kernel should be a prerequisite for 800+ testing. It's not as if it's hard to do with preware/build.git |
| 02:41.38 | bpadalino | why do you think switching to debian would help out ? |
| 02:41.40 | Tman | I have a libSDL_gfx.a that I compiled awhile back on WIDK (before a HD failure wiped me out) but when I try and use it, all the color mappings are wrong.. I might need to edit by hand |
| 02:42.02 | uNiXpSyChO | rwhitby: its a simple patch actually. i can whipe up an F105 package quickly. |
| 02:42.03 | Tman | bpadalino: because I can use WIDK and scratchbox2 |
| 02:42.12 | bpadalino | ah gotcha |
| 02:42.21 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: put a 105 in nonworking, and we're done I reckon. |
| 02:42.54 | rwhitby | then we can all collaborate on testing it there |
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| 03:11.55 | jhojho | BeeRad: android linpack numbers are not comparable unless they are running command line |
| 03:12.05 | jhojho | java linpack != c linpack |
| 03:12.22 | jhojho | java linpack is much more about java perf afaik |
| 03:13.15 | BeeRad | jhojho: part of that was Greek to me, but I understand for the most part. |
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| 03:14.10 | hborders | I'm trying to work with the palm PDK to compile openssl |
| 03:14.45 | hborders | can I use the WIDK to cross-compile and still run my apps on a non-prewared pre? |
| 03:14.49 | rwhitby | hborders: ok. I'd recommend using our WIDK instead, but go ahead. |
| 03:15.19 | rwhitby | yes. but if the device is not running Preware, how are you going to get the app on there? |
| 03:15.36 | hborders | I was planning on submitting it to the app catalog as a pdk app |
| 03:15.49 | hborders | couldn't I just statically link w/ my libs and create the exe? |
| 03:16.08 | rwhitby | yep. |
| 03:16.22 | rwhitby | (if the licensing of the libs allows) |
| 03:16.26 | hborders | of course |
| 03:16.47 | hborders | here's what I want to do overall, and maybe you can tell me if this is just a dumb idea at some stage: |
| 03:16.48 | jhojho | BeeRad: you need to run the C version on linpack on android for it to be comparable |
| 03:16.48 | rwhitby | what's the app going to do? sounds interesting if you're linking openssl :) |
| 03:16.52 | jhojho | essentially |
| 03:17.04 | jhojho | would be interesting to see what a HTC EVO posts |
| 03:17.05 | jhojho | b |
| 03:17.08 | hborders | I'd like to build a native twitter client b/c with SDK clients are SLOW |
| 03:17.11 | jhojho | but I do not have access to one |
| 03:17.28 | hborders | to connect to twitter, I have to use oauth |
| 03:17.37 | BeeRad | jhojho: Nor do I. |
| 03:17.38 | hborders | and there is a C lib, liboauth, that I can use to do it |
| 03:17.45 | rwhitby | hborders: are you following the wIRC hybrid development? |
| 03:17.53 | jhojho | maybe adora can be talked into loaning hers |
| 03:18.02 | hborders | I've build liboauth for i386 on my mac, and ran my test app and successfully tweeted |
| 03:18.18 | hborders | rwhitby: I don't know what that is |
| 03:18.20 | BeeRad | jhojho: I bet she would. |
| 03:18.45 | hborders | anyway, to build liboauth, I need zlib, libcrypt, and libssl (or I have to build Mozilla NSS) |
| 03:18.56 | rwhitby | hborders: a native IRC client |
| 03:19.02 | jhojho | okay. finally figured out a gcc flag combo that does not make gcc complain while kernel compiling a pixi |
| 03:19.15 | hborders | no, i haven't |
| 03:19.30 | hborders | I was planning on making this a full-screen pdk app |
| 03:19.36 | rwhitby | hborders: is your app going to be open source? |
| 03:20.01 | hborders | rwhitby: at this point I don't see why not. though, I'd like to list it on the app catalog and charge :) |
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| 03:20.11 | rwhitby | hborders: drPodder does both |
| 03:20.38 | rwhitby | there is no conflict between open source and charging in the app catalog |
| 03:20.50 | jhojho | $1000 for opensource |
| 03:20.53 | BeeRad | I so want the Pixi to be a badass little phone. Just sayin.... |
| 03:21.04 | jhojho | it is a badass little phone |
| 03:21.08 | rwhitby | hborders: some authors (e.g. drPodder) choose to reward homebrewers by having the Preware version be free. |
| 03:21.16 | hborders | rwhitby: I certainly planning on releasing a build of liboauth for the pre/pixi once I got it going |
| 03:21.28 | jhojho | that would be nice |
| 03:21.31 | rwhitby | hborders: would you like to put that in the WIDK ? |
| 03:21.35 | hborders | rwhitby: I would probably do that if I ever got something going |
| 03:21.44 | jhojho | are you supporting both oauth 1 and 2 or just 2? |
| 03:22.01 | hborders | rwhitby: sure. but I don't want to oversell you on what I have so far. I've just written a command-line app that can post a single tweet. :) |
| 03:22.11 | hborders | rwhitby: from my mac |
| 03:23.10 | rwhitby | hborders: sounds like enough to quickly get the same working on command line on the Pre, and a hybrid is not too far away from that |
| 03:23.21 | BeeRad | jhojho: when the PDK apps run on the Pixi, compcache is enabled and CPU is overclocked....hmmmm..... |
| 03:23.26 | hborders | rwhitby: hybrid is working on pixi/pre? |
| 03:23.52 | jhojho | there is no overclocking on the pixi at this time |
| 03:24.08 | BeeRad | jhojho: I know. ;) |
| 03:24.35 | rwhitby | hborders: I think that NDAs might prevent me from answering that question |
| 03:24.35 | BeeRad | jhojho: Internals likes to play too much to ever say never. |
| 03:24.55 | jhojho | "at this time" |
| 03:25.05 | jhojho | there is very little info on the msm7627 |
| 03:25.10 | hborders | rwhitby: well, you keep throwing around the word "hybrid" I'm just wondering what that means |
| 03:25.13 | BeeRad | jhojho: Precisely. ;) |
| 03:25.21 | rwhitby | hborders: oh, there is a developer day video on the subject |
| 03:25.25 | jhojho | if you want to help, help me find good gcc flags for it. |
| 03:25.28 | rwhitby | hborders: that much is public knowledge :) |
| 03:25.46 | jhojho | thinking about calling qualcomm and asking at this point |
| 03:25.53 | hborders | rwhitby: are those available on the palm developer blog? |
| 03:26.01 | rwhitby | hborders: and people with early access are developing hybrid apps now |
| 03:26.18 | rwhitby | hborders: on the palm site somewhere, and on palm's youtube channel |
| 03:26.28 | BeeRad | jhojho: As I've stated to Rod, I probably shouldn't be hanging around here. Giving people the false sense that I know anything about coding. I have no clue. :( Sorry. |
| 03:26.29 | hborders | rwhitby: thanks. I'll check that out |
| 03:26.48 | rwhitby | hborders: drop chuq an email to request early access to PDK stuff |
| 03:26.56 | jhojho | having no clue is not a crime |
| 03:27.06 | jhojho | having no clue and giving out bad advice is |
| 03:27.30 | hborders | rwhitby: anyways, so based on what I've said: PDK (for speed) twitter client, liboauth (which needs zlib, openssl). Does this sound like a pointless endeavor? |
| 03:27.47 | jhojho | hborders: it's never pointless |
| 03:28.02 | hborders | rwhitby: so far, this has been helpful just to learn more about C development. I'm normally an iPhone developer, and I'm glad to be getting my hands a little dirtier |
| 03:28.34 | hborders | jhojho: if someone has done/is already doing the same thing, or it is likely that the SDK is going to get a LOT faster with a LOT less GC/swap lag, it is |
| 03:28.35 | BeeRad | jhojho: I'm here because of interest and to try and grasp the underpinnings of all of this. It's interesting to me. I really do wish I could help more. |
| 03:29.09 | hborders | jhojho: but I am learning a lot in this process, so I'm getting something out of it |
| 03:29.10 | rwhitby | hborders: sounds like a valuable endeavour to me. as long as you're not doing it for app catalog success as your prime driver. |
| 03:29.19 | Kyusaku | as long as you can educate others on the goings on in here you're helping |
| 03:29.37 | hborders | rwhitby: mostly, I'm unhappy with existing twitter client offerings. I've wanted my own client for a while now |
| 03:29.54 | rwhitby | hborders: scratching your own itch is a recipe for success |
| 03:30.16 | jhojho | my fav twiiter client is still twhirl |
| 03:30.29 | jhojho | too bad it is not supported anymore |
| 03:30.47 | hborders | rwhitby: so anyways, you're saying I can use the WIDK, and I should be able to deploy to non-preware pres no problem? |
| 03:31.16 | rwhitby | hborders: let us know when you've got something you'd like to contribute into the WIDK, and see http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/wIRC.git;a=summary for the wIRC hybrid progress |
| 03:32.08 | rwhitby | hborders: sure, Palm don't care what framework you use to compile your apps. Note that we don't have hybrid support in WIDK yet cause the PDK that includes it is not public yet. |
| 03:33.33 | hborders | rwhityby: That's fine. I mostly want to get this running on my own pre, so I don't mind so much if it doesn't run on pixis yet. I'm sure you guys will get public stuff integrated quickly |
| 03:34.10 | jhojho | I wonder if it would make sense and be possible to attach a remote java profiler to lunasysmgr to see what it is doing... |
| 03:34.12 | BeeRad | No love for Pixis. |
| 03:34.18 | hborders | sorry, should have been rwhitby: |
| 03:35.43 | rwhitby | BeeRad: which pixi do you have? |
| 03:36.38 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Will have the Plus on Verizon at some point. |
| 03:36.47 | BeeRad | rwhitby: ? |
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| 03:43.30 | hborders | rwhitby: is this the best place to go for widk development questions that are not related to webos-internals projects? Or should I just go to palm's PDK developer forums? |
| 03:43.52 | rwhitby | hborders: widk stuff here. |
| 03:44.11 | rwhitby | pdk stuff there or here if it's open source :) |
| 03:44.41 | rwhitby | (we don't want all the EA Games developers coming here for help ... ;) |
| 03:44.59 | hborders | rwhitby: I imagine most of my issues will be pdk related once I get my command-line app working on my pre |
| 03:45.35 | hborders | rwhitby: is there a best time to get on IRC and find extremely helpful people like you? |
| 03:45.41 | rwhitby | hborders: but we'll be trying to get some hybrid apps in the app catalog too, so discussion about that here is fine |
| 03:46.08 | rwhitby | hborders: the trick with IRC is to ask a question and then idle until someone finds it interesting and answers |
| 03:48.16 | hborders | rwhitby: ok. thanks for the tips. I'll try getting everything set up using your instructions and see where I get. |
| 03:48.31 | rwhitby | hborders: ok, good luck. |
| 03:48.40 | hborders | rwhitby: is there a list of libs that WIDK has, or will I see them in /usr/lib after I'm done? |
| 03:49.00 | rwhitby | hborders: grep NAME packages/*/* |
| 03:49.09 | rwhitby | hborders: grep NAME packages/*/Makefile |
| 03:49.22 | hborders | rwhitby: I just need zlib, libcrypt, libssl, and libcurl to compile liboauth |
| 03:50.22 | rwhitby | hborders: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/cross-compile.git;a=tree;f=packages/common |
| 03:50.34 | rwhitby | hborders: grep NAME packages/*/*/Makefile |
| 03:51.51 | hborders | rwhitby: thanks. I'll just try to get going with this on my own and not waste anymore of your time. it looks like you guys have everything I need to get my proof of concept going. Thanks again for all your help! |
| 03:53.06 | rwhitby | hborders: building new libraries for oauth in widk is not wasting our time |
| 03:54.23 | rwhitby | hborders: and now I know who to go to if I have eclipse RCP questions :) |
| 03:55.04 | hborders | rwhitby: that is something I can definitely help you with. Eclipse RCP, Java, Javascript, iPhone. I'm your guy, or I probably know your guy. :) |
| 03:55.43 | rwhitby | hborders: I'm not always helpful to everyone who just turns up ;) |
| 03:56.13 | hborders | rwhitby: don't worry, no one of consequence follows me on twitter. :) |
| 03:56.46 | rwhitby | hborders: same here ;) |
| 04:07.55 | Freenote | Hmmm |
| 04:08.00 | Freenote | http://www.amazon.com/Tekkeon-TekCharge-Mobile-Battery-Charger/dp/B0014KLX9C/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Worth it or not |
| 04:08.09 | Freenote | oh, and Mac mini screams with an intel ssd |
| 04:08.24 | Abyssul | Freenote: I bought that |
| 04:08.39 | Abyssul | It works, but slowly charges |
| 04:09.00 | Abyssul | Must not be the right current/voltage |
| 04:09.07 | Freenote | woa⦠why is my name freenote |
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| 04:09.45 | Abyssul | rwhitby: Would you mind looking at this thread? http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2516765&posted=1#post2516765 |
| 04:09.49 | *** join/#webos-internals halfhalo (~halfhalo@cpe-76-95-96-74.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:10.03 | halfhalo | And⦠there we go |
| 04:10.06 | Abyssul | haha |
| 04:10.23 | halfhalo | I want the charger to pull double duty on vacation |
| 04:10.39 | halfhalo | charge my enerloops and also charge my phone/zune on the plane |
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| 04:11.02 | Abyssul | I used eneloops too |
| 04:11.09 | Abyssul | <3 Zune too |
| 04:11.42 | rwhitby | Abyssul: yeah, that's an interesting thread with an interesting back-story. |
| 04:12.17 | Abyssul | i dont understand whats so interesting. Probably some simple problem right? |
| 04:12.26 | halfhalo | Lol, eneloops ftw. one set lasted all of e3 in my Kx |
| 04:13.22 | Abyssul | 1st gen brick :) |
| 04:13.38 | halfhalo | ha |
| 04:13.47 | halfhalo | 32GB HD |
| 04:13.57 | halfhalo | With HD dock for tv and sd dock for car |
| 04:14.20 | Abyssul | I have my Pre for my multimedia purposes |
| 04:14.30 | Abyssul | I was thinking about the HD up until I got my Pre |
| 04:14.45 | halfhalo | Pre no likes displaying video on car stereo |
| 04:15.45 | halfhalo | And plus, the zune hd's screen is freaking amazing |
| 04:16.04 | Abyssul | Was it AMOLED? |
| 04:16.07 | Abyssul | I cant remember |
| 04:16.10 | halfhalo | just oled |
| 04:16.19 | Abyssul | I'm waiting to feast my eyes on Super AMOLED |
| 04:16.58 | *** join/#webos-internals Tman (~tyler@unaffiliated/tman) |
| 04:17.41 | Tman | one thing that amazes me about debian (apt, really) is how fast it installs packages, after using gentoo for years |
| 04:18.14 | Tman | obviously source-based is no comparison, but it still impresses me :p |
| 04:18.28 | rwhitby | Abyssul: govnah has a known quirk at the moment where it is expecting the items in your profile and the items that the service returns to not only match in name and values but to also match in the order in which they are listed. this is causing profile names not to match in some circumstances. |
| 04:18.40 | hborders | starting my install of ubuntu 9.10 32-bit server onto Fusion 2 of my macbook. I'm giving it 2GB or RAM and 1 CPU. |
| 04:19.19 | rwhitby | hborders: BTW, I'm using 10.4 for development now, so feel free to use that for WIDK |
| 04:19.41 | rwhitby | hborders: as that's likely to be the best supported going forward (since it's LTS) |
| 04:19.47 | hborders | ok |
| 04:19.53 | Tman | what's LTS? :/ |
| 04:19.57 | Tman | is using debian lenny |
| 04:20.04 | hborders | rwhitby: I'll start a new torrent. :) |
| 04:20.06 | rwhitby | Long Term Support |
| 04:20.18 | ka6sox-mobile | yay! Long Term Stable! |
| 04:21.02 | Tman | is the latest version of debian parallel to the latest version of ubuntu? heh |
| 04:21.16 | ka6sox-mobile | infra guy dances |
| 04:21.57 | Tman | ka6sox-mobile: did you install it yet? :p |
| 04:22.19 | *** part/#webos-internals Gollyzila (~gollyzila@cpe-76-168-247-211.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 04:22.41 | ka6sox-mobile | my main machine this weekend is my Pre |
| 04:22.50 | jhojho | I like how all the comments to this page about smartreflex and scaling have nothing to do with the article http://themxweb.com/2009/11/24/cpu-scaling-patch-or-the-smartflex-patch-which-one-is-for-you/ |
| 04:23.02 | Tman | lol |
| 04:23.24 | ka6sox-mobile | so kinda hard to install it cleanly |
| 04:23.41 | Tman | sure. no pressure, I was just curious if you'd used it yet |
| 04:23.50 | hborders | starting over - torrenting 10.4 @ 2.3 MB/s. :) |
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| 04:24.31 | PuffTheMagic | ka6sox-mobile: you need up uprade to 1.4.5 so you can use latest wirc |
| 04:24.38 | Abyssul | rwhitby: I understand. Doesn't bother me too much really. Just didn't know if you were aware |
| 04:25.42 | ka6sox-mobile | PuffTheMagic: need 3rd device |
| 04:26.11 | rwhitby | Abyssul: we need to fix it before public release |
| 04:26.34 | ka6sox-mobile | and of course 1.4.5 to come out so I can test :D |
| 04:26.50 | jhojho | what is 1.4.5? =0 |
| 04:27.04 | rwhitby | some rumoured release that PreCentral reported on I believe. |
| 04:27.51 | Abyssul | haha... rumor... |
| 04:28.07 | rwhitby | no, rumour |
| 04:28.12 | rwhitby | ;) |
| 04:28.30 | ka6sox-mobile | yes, rumour |
| 04:28.37 | rwhitby | (is that yet another word you US guys spell incorrectly?) |
| 04:28.43 | Abyssul | How is it a rumor if the evidence is an official message from Palm? |
| 04:28.44 | ka6sox-mobile | ya |
| 04:28.48 | Abyssul | Yes... lol |
| 04:28.57 | Tman | it's US english, get over it ;p |
| 04:29.00 | Abyssul | We have to be annoying like that |
| 04:29.16 | ka6sox-mobile | damned yanks! |
| 04:29.27 | rwhitby | the one I simply cannot fathom is the pronunciation of aluminium |
| 04:29.29 | Abyssul | Footboll != soccer, imperial system, etc |
| 04:29.46 | rwhitby | I mean it has an 'i' right there before the 'u' |
| 04:29.49 | Tman | Abyssul: public release? |
| 04:29.52 | Abyssul | ah - loom- eh-num |
| 04:30.18 | Tman | rwhitby: yeah that is whack |
| 04:30.19 | rwhitby | do you say 'cray-num' for cranium too? |
| 04:30.26 | Abyssul | no |
| 04:30.28 | Tman | nope cran-i-um |
| 04:30.37 | Tman | cray-ni-um* |
| 04:30.46 | rwhitby | or 'bar-rum' for barium ? |
| 04:30.53 | ka6sox-mobile | sigh |
| 04:30.56 | Abyssul | cray-ni-um |
| 04:31.00 | bpadalino | bury-em |
| 04:31.13 | Abyssul | barry- um |
| 04:31.15 | rwhitby | so what's with aluminium then? |
| 04:31.23 | Abyssul | Maybe im southern? |
| 04:31.24 | hborders | ok installing 10.4 32 bit server with 2GB RAM on Fusion 2 on my macbook pro |
| 04:31.37 | Abyssul | tman: what do you mean? |
| 04:31.43 | bpadalino | no extra i |
| 04:31.45 | bpadalino | aluminum |
| 04:31.47 | ka6sox-mobile | face it we murder the Queen's English |
| 04:31.58 | rwhitby | bpadalino: oh, you spell it differently? |
| 04:32.02 | bpadalino | indeed |
| 04:32.17 | rwhitby | that must screw up the periodic table |
| 04:32.22 | Abyssul | Rofl |
| 04:32.39 | Abyssul | What periodic table? Americans don't care about standards like that |
| 04:32.55 | Tman | Abyssul: nevermind.. I remembered that they have warned devs about the update |
| 04:34.18 | Tman | otherwise no one would sign up for EA |
| 04:35.16 | ka6sox-mobile | bbiaf headed to work to fix the pixi (or break it with a new kernel) |
| 04:35.31 | Tman | :) |
| 04:35.32 | rwhitby | http://old.iupac.org/reports/periodic_table/index.html <- looks like the IUPAC makes a concession for americans who can't spell ;) |
| 04:37.03 | Abyssul | HAha |
| 04:37.26 | ka6sox-mobile | heh |
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| 04:39.54 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 04:50.05 | guenots | msg/ nickserv register fish4men$ guenots@gmail.com |
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| 04:50.30 | ka6sox-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.30 | Abyssul | ROFL |
| 04:50.37 | halfhalo | lulz |
| 04:51.28 | ka6sox-work | this comes under the heading of "did I really just do that?" |
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| 04:57.42 | Tman | lmao |
| 04:58.50 | Abyssul | welcome back |
| 04:59.29 | Tman | whistles as he downloads the widk toolchain |
| 05:00.11 | Tman | cross-platform hackery at its finest :D |
| 05:04.52 | Tman | rwhitby: hmm in the WIDK Makefile, it sets variables at the top that define a doctor filename with -1.3.5, but later on in the file it uses names with -1.4.1.1 |
| 05:05.29 | rwhitby | Tman: hmm. I'm not sure the things at the top are used anymore. are those variables referenced anywhere? |
| 05:05.51 | Tman | rwhitby: I don't think so |
| 05:06.05 | Tman | nope, just checked |
| 05:06.10 | Tman | just thought I'd let you know |
| 05:08.59 | rwhitby | thx |
| 05:09.48 | hborders | rwhitby: what gui should I install on ubuntu server? |
| 05:09.56 | hborders | rwhitby: or do you not use a gui? |
| 05:10.48 | rwhitby | Tman: fixed |
| 05:10.56 | ka6sox-work | gui and server should NEVER be used in the same breath |
| 05:11.03 | rwhitby | hborders: actually, I'm using Ubuntu 10.4 desktop now |
| 05:11.18 | hborders | ok. i was wondering about that. |
| 05:11.33 | hborders | since I just finished installing server, can I just apt-get a gui? |
| 05:12.06 | jhojho | I only really use gui for 2 things. firefox and terminal =) |
| 05:12.21 | hborders | I'm hoping to use eclipse cdt for development |
| 05:12.25 | hborders | xcode really blows |
| 05:12.49 | Tman | hborders: you can use eclipse on mac |
| 05:13.14 | hborders | yes, but WIDK recommends ubuntu 10.4 lts |
| 05:13.31 | hborders | so im running it in a VM, but I installed server not desktop |
| 05:13.38 | Tman | yeah |
| 05:13.41 | Tman | I have something similar |
| 05:13.42 | hborders | and instead of doing a new download, can't I just apt-get a gui? |
| 05:13.55 | Tman | my setup is to just have a base debian system for WIDK, and SSH into it |
| 05:13.57 | rwhitby | hborders: I use iTerm to access the linux VM for compiling linux stuff :) |
| 05:14.20 | rwhitby | hborders: I nfs mount a case-sensitive disk image mounted on the mac side into the linux side |
| 05:14.31 | hborders | lol |
| 05:14.32 | *** part/#webos-internals guenots (~guenots@adsl-75-15-200-67.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net) |
| 05:14.42 | rwhitby | then I just edit on the mac side :) |
| 05:14.55 | hborders | rwhitby: ok. that makes sense |
| 05:15.02 | rwhitby | and have two tabs next to each other in iTerm for Mac and Linux |
| 05:15.04 | Tman | rwhitby: hmm good call @ NFS.. I'll look into that |
| 05:15.21 | hborders | I was hoping to set everything up in eclipse cdt and just use that |
| 05:15.27 | hborders | so i'm willing to just run in linux |
| 05:15.30 | rwhitby | virtualbox shared folders can't do linux fs semantics |
| 05:15.44 | hborders | i'm using fusion |
| 05:15.47 | hborders | so I should be fine |
| 05:16.28 | Tman | whoo toolchain done |
| 05:16.32 | rwhitby | hborders: oh, fusion can share case-sensitive filesystems with symlinks between host and guest? |
| 05:17.29 | hborders | rwhitby: hrm, actually, that might be a little much. I dunno. Anyways, I figured I'd just start with doing everything in linux and then move stuff back to mac as I become better at this |
| 05:17.48 | hborders | so does anyone have an apt-get gui suggestion? otherwise, I'll just download desktop and start over |
| 05:18.13 | Tman | I believe I saw somewhere that the package is ubuntudesktop |
| 05:18.14 | rwhitby | hborders: I'd start over. I don't understand Linux GUIs. |
| 05:19.56 | jhojho | rwhitby: it's kind of frankenstein but you could run dropbox on the mac and linux vm =) |
| 05:20.19 | rwhitby | jhojho: no good when not connected to the internet though |
| 05:20.31 | dtzWill | hborders: the big two are gnome/kde. ubuntu defaults to gnome, that's what desktop has. |
| 05:20.39 | rwhitby | I need cross-platform mounting on the bus :) |
| 05:20.46 | dtzWill | hborders: i think the metapackage for the whole bundle is 'gnome-desktop', but don't hold me to it |
| 05:20.48 | jhojho | I think dropbox has an option to do local sync between local machines |
| 05:20.59 | hborders | I just did apt-get install ubuntu-desktop |
| 05:21.03 | hborders | and the wheels are turning |
| 05:21.21 | jhojho | I havent really investigated foldersharing between fusion |
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| 05:21.22 | eric2k | anyone awake? |
| 05:21.44 | rwhitby | somewhere in the world, yes. |
| 05:22.02 | jhojho | this is what I know. I use vmware to run win xp for a program that copies and renames pictures. it writes it to a shared folder with the mac and seems to work fine |
| 05:25.02 | Tman | hm.. what should I add to sources.list to get qemu-kvm-extras? |
| 05:25.32 | BeeRad | Getting ipkg install errors like crazy all of the sudden........ Grumblecakes. |
| 05:25.41 | rwhitby | jhojho: yeah, shared folders is fine for normal files |
| 05:28.39 | hborders | desktop is installing now... |
| 05:29.14 | BeeRad | Lit List Launcher patch will.....not......install. >:( |
| 05:29.36 | BeeRad | Lite* |
| 05:35.40 | Kyusaku | do you have any other launcher patches installed? |
| 05:37.18 | BeeRad | Kyusaku: Advanced Configuration for App Launcher |
| 05:38.10 | BeeRad | Kyusaku: No other icon patches though. |
| 05:38.45 | Kyusaku | Advanced Config does A LOT to the launcher files |
| 05:39.55 | Kyusaku | a lot of patches cannot coexist |
| 05:40.27 | BeeRad | Kyusaku: Removing to see if thats the issue. |
| 05:40.44 | Kyusaku | it most likely is the issue |
| 05:41.03 | Kyusaku | unless the patch developer says it should be compatible |
| 05:42.18 | Kyusaku | description says may not work with other patches |
| 05:42.37 | BeeRad | Kyusaku: Still denied. |
| 05:42.48 | Kyusaku | did you restart luna? |
| 05:43.37 | BeeRad | Kyusaku: Yes. |
| 05:44.27 | Kyusaku | consult the patch developer then |
| 05:44.42 | Kyusaku | there's a thread |
| 05:44.49 | BeeRad | Kyusaku: The only other patch I can think of is the Glass Effect. |
| 05:45.15 | Kyusaku | I never used that patch |
| 05:45.21 | ka6sox-work | Tman, you still here? |
| 05:45.26 | Tman | yup |
| 05:45.34 | Kyusaku | but if it's an app launcher patch.... |
| 05:45.53 | BeeRad | Kyusaku: Trying it. |
| 05:46.16 | ka6sox-work | Tman, that is just the coolest! |
| 05:46.39 | ka6sox-work | hmmm...lets see how warm this makes the pre. |
| 05:46.50 | Tman | ka6sox-work: haha :D |
| 05:46.51 | ka6sox-work | Tman, have you tested it on pixi? |
| 05:47.12 | Tman | ka6sox-work: nope, I don't have one to test |
| 05:47.21 | ka6sox-work | checks it out on pixi |
| 05:47.23 | ka6sox-work | jas |
| 05:48.08 | Tman | ka6sox-work: and I might have the res hard coded in there somewhere.. /most/ of the app is ready for any resolution but some of my impatience with opengl hacking might have undermined that :p |
| 05:48.10 | BeeRad | Kyusaku: Glass Effect was the problem. Lite List Launcher installed. |
| 05:48.25 | Kyusaku | BeeRad: here is the patch thread if you need to contact the author |
| 05:48.46 | ka6sox-work | Tman, yep, not gonna open on the pixi, YET. |
| 05:48.54 | ka6sox-work | okay worth trying |
| 05:49.07 | Kyusaku | BeeRad: I'd imagine Advanced Launcher config would also be a problem though |
| 05:49.32 | Kyusaku | I don't have glass effect but do have advanced launcher and it won't install |
| 05:49.36 | Tman | ka6sox-work: ha well I will look into it. might be pretty stressful on the CPU though |
| 05:50.40 | hborders | looks like desktop apt-get succeeded. |
| 05:51.47 | ka6sox-work | Tman, don't sweat it...it works great...I pushed my oscillator to 19khz and still had a good signal |
| 05:52.12 | ka6sox-work | Tman, from about 150hz to 19khz |
| 05:53.04 | Tman | ka6sox-work: ok good.. I haven't actually gone out and tested it with a real oscillator yet.. as sad as that is :p |
| 05:53.14 | BeeRad | Kyusaku: Advanced Configuration for App Launcher just loaded up for me with Lite List Launcher. Glass Effect would not. |
| 05:53.39 | Tman | ka6sox-work: so it doesn't pick up well below 150Hz? |
| 05:53.47 | Kyusaku | ok good luck with that |
| 05:53.55 | ka6sox-work | didn't want to hurt the little speaker |
| 05:54.08 | Tman | ok gotcha |
| 05:54.23 | Tman | there are some subs I can go test it with :p |
| 05:54.38 | ka6sox-work | give me that 20hz rumble |
| 05:54.43 | Kyusaku | BeeRad: it generally spells trouble if patches can only be installed a certain way. |
| 05:54.44 | ka6sox-work | and 11hz too. |
| 05:54.55 | Tman | 11hz huh? oh my |
| 05:55.33 | Tman | and the frequencies matched the oscillator correct? |
| 05:55.44 | ka6sox-work | Tman, very close |
| 05:56.01 | ka6sox-work | can I put direct into the 3 ring input? |
| 05:56.04 | BeeRad | Kyusaku: So far its working fine. The only thing that I don't like already is that naming pages isn't formatting so well with the Lite Listi Launcher patch because the title of the page is now covering the first app on each page. I would have to shut that off. |
| 05:56.17 | ka6sox-work | I have a 3 ring connector |
| 05:56.26 | Tman | ka6sox-work: that's planned but I don't think it would work yet |
| 05:56.30 | ka6sox-work | Okay |
| 05:56.38 | ka6sox-work | lemme know when so I can test. |
| 05:56.48 | Tman | pretty limited feature set still :p |
| 05:56.51 | eric2k | I have a few questions, bit of a newbie when it comes to WebOS/PRE's. I have been reading since launch and readover fair bit of threads at precenteral. |
| 05:56.55 | Tman | will do. thanks for testing! |
| 05:56.59 | ka6sox-work | Tman, not a problem |
| 05:57.09 | eric2k | 1.is http://webos-patches.dbsooner.com/ the best spot for patchs? |
| 05:57.16 | ka6sox-work | Tommorrow I'll see if it detects the bad fan...out of 10 fand |
| 05:57.19 | ka6sox-work | er fans |
| 05:57.42 | ka6sox-work | Tman, 10ea 10" Fans |
| 05:57.51 | Tman | cool |
| 05:58.01 | Kyusaku | eric2k: it's the best place to research patches on the desktop |
| 05:58.04 | eric2k | 2.http://forums.precentral.net is that the best forum for pre users? Which other major discussion spots are there? IE windows mobile/andriod we have PPCG/XDA. |
| 05:58.08 | ka6sox-work | has to move 1300CFM of air. |
| 05:58.18 | Tman | I think 22.05kHz is at the very edge if that's what you need |
| 05:58.38 | ka6sox-work | Tman, I'm looking for harmonics of 3600 |
| 05:59.07 | ka6sox-work | 7200, 14400 etc |
| 05:59.09 | eric2k | On device which is the best method of looking at patchs? Is there a cydia type deal as on iphone? |
| 05:59.36 | Kyusaku | eric2k: there's a site for people trying to hack the modem on the pre I forget the address though |
| 05:59.37 | saurik | eric2k: preware |
| 05:59.49 | Tman | ka6sox-work: ok. would it be beneficial if you could actually dial in specific Hz values? |
| 06:00.11 | ka6sox-work | if I could put a marker on a specific frequency? yes |
| 06:00.25 | ka6sox-work | absolutely |
| 06:00.41 | ka6sox-work | and also change the span. |
| 06:00.45 | ka6sox-work | (but thats later. |
| 06:00.45 | Tman | well you can now, just with touch which isn't perfectly accurate for picking a frequency |
| 06:00.46 | ka6sox-work | ) |
| 06:00.48 | eric2k | I have read the horrer storys on Palm Pre quality. I am here in canada. Are the batchs we have here abit better? Is there anything i can do besides looking for crack lines on screen/charger port /looking for slider twist/gap between screen closed? |
| 06:00.54 | ka6sox-work | Tman right |
| 06:01.03 | ka6sox-work | need box to dial it up or down |
| 06:01.10 | Tman | what do you mean by span? |
| 06:01.27 | eric2k | IE: could i use the ## codes to look at manufacture date to get a better idea? would that even help.... IE; after X date they should be okay? |
| 06:01.38 | ka6sox-work | Tman, right now its 0-22.05khz |
| 06:01.52 | ka6sox-work | I"d like to see 900 -1100 only D |
| 06:01.54 | ka6sox-work | :D |
| 06:02.13 | eric2k | and yeah for reading up forum wise. any suggestions besides precentral? |
| 06:02.28 | ka6sox-work | Tman, or 0-3.5khz (speech) |
| 06:02.50 | Tman | you know you can zoom right? 900-1100 is too narrow for what it allows now but zoom and pan should help you with that |
| 06:03.02 | ka6sox-work | Tman, kewl |
| 06:03.17 | ka6sox-work | okay I'll play with it tommorrow and report back |
| 06:03.26 | Tman | k thanks |
| 06:03.47 | ka6sox-work | those fans are $220 so shotgunning them isn't practical. |
| 06:04.08 | Tman | hah |
| 06:04.27 | ka6sox-work | I normally use a stethescope |
| 06:04.53 | Kyusaku | eric2k: there's a list of key codes let me find them, in regards to forum content what are you looking for |
| 06:07.53 | eric2k | I just like knowing the best spots to read/where people are. All i can find is the offical Palm forums and PreCentral. for andriod land/windowsmobile/iphone i know the spots. WebOS is a new beast. |
| 06:08.21 | eric2k | I hate asking questions. easyer to just read. Saw this IRC. Figured instead of wasteing my time you guys would point me in the right direction a lot faster lol. |
| 06:08.45 | eric2k | and so far you have :) , did not even know about preware lol |
| 06:08.47 | Kyusaku | eric2k: the PDF attached here http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/186420-palm-pre-pixi-tips-tricks.html has dial codes on the 5th page |
| 06:09.06 | Kyusaku | eric2k: the code you probably want is ##786# |
| 06:09.33 | Kyusaku | eric2k: and the build date should be "WARRANTYDATECODE" |
| 06:10.36 | Kyusaku | precentral hosts casual users as well as the hardcore hackers who are modifying the phone kernel |
| 06:10.44 | eric2k | Is there a manufature date which after that point the quality was better? I know Sprint has more of the bad batch then bell got. |
| 06:11.11 | Kyusaku | nothing definite |
| 06:11.15 | eric2k | pre is such a steal here in canada now. $150 used in decent condition now. |
| 06:11.54 | eric2k | Plus 15$ for unlimited data only for pre. Addon to any existing plan. |
| 06:12.11 | eric2k | bell also lowered no contract price to 299 lol |
| 06:12.32 | eric2k | So i can see a real rush of people going into pres from canada. Just like the HTC touch before it. |
| 06:12.46 | BeeRad | Has anybody tried the Show Actual Battery Percent patch yet? Is it really a huge difference? |
| 06:13.06 | eric2k | I made the famous NFSFAN rom with my friend for the old CDMA touch. Ton of users been asking me about pre. Now with this deal going on. |
| 06:13.39 | Kyusaku | BeeRad: if it's anything like the old patch not a huge difference |
| 06:13.51 | BeeRad | Kyusaku: Thanks man. |
| 06:13.57 | Kyusaku | BeeRad: your phone will never read 100% |
| 06:15.32 | Kyusaku | eric2k: not much ROM cooking on WebOS partly because Preware and other soutions make customizing the device pretty easily |
| 06:15.51 | eric2k | Seems like a iphone sort of setup. |
| 06:16.08 | Kyusaku | plenty of kernel hacking though |
| 06:16.09 | eric2k | IE:PreWare has the addons Cydia allows for that makes the iphone somewhat bareable. |
| 06:16.23 | BeeRad | Preware/Homebrew practically make you feel as if you you're the ROM chef using a kitchen. Just make the phone what you want it to be. A lot less headache. |
| 06:16.36 | eric2k | Andriod, you can add third party sources for edits. The custom bootloaders/firmwarees are just way better though. |
| 06:16.46 | eric2k | Have a N1/Galaxy |
| 06:16.53 | Kyusaku | eric2k: I've never had an iPhone so I can't make a comparison |
| 06:17.50 | saurik | Kyusaku: Cydia is just another package manager, like preware (based on apt/dpkg, instead of ipkg) |
| 06:17.58 | eric2k | I had a iPhone. Sold it before i switched to CDMA carrier for profit. Just before 3g launch. Although i got my sister a 3g and have continued to play around. MIGHT consider a iphone 4 under contract. I get a hardware upgrade credit every 1.5 years. |
| 06:18.19 | Kyusaku | eric2k: but preware gives on device access to applications, themes, patches to change the OS functionality, modify the base kernel, etc. |
| 06:18.41 | eric2k | yeah, very powerful :) |
| 06:19.01 | eric2k | I cant wait to get a pre. I been holding off for a year now. Prices are so damn cheap now on them used. Plus 15$ data. how can i say no... |
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| 06:20.49 | eric2k | Im a smatphone whore. N1/ Omnia II and I prob will be getting a iphone 4(199 on contract might as well. Resale value on them hold easily) |
| 06:20.53 | eric2k | Might as well get a pre :) |
| 06:22.19 | eric2k | s60 has no point, n8 camera does look great. MeeGo has no hardware with the right bands in north america yet. N9 might be the ticket. |
| 06:23.58 | rwhitby | eric2k: welcome. this channel is where you'll see the best hacking for the pre. webos-internals.org is the best information site, and precentral.net is the best forum site. with those three places, you can't go wrong. |
| 06:24.37 | BeeRad | Kyusaku: This Launcher setup is actually feeling quite lite on its feet and I haven't found any issues yet. I don't really see the need for Glass Effect at this point as Lite List Launcher almost looks the same. Not quite, but close. |
| 06:24.58 | rwhitby | eric2k: and there are no custom roms for webOS devices, cause Preware can replace kernels on the fly without needing to reflash the whole device |
| 06:25.09 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Amen. |
| 06:26.03 | BeeRad | rwhitby: And I don't have to wait for a new ROMs from chefs for special enhancements. Thats what *I* do with Preware/Homebrew. |
| 06:29.14 | eric2k | yeah thats not a bad situation. I don't mind it. over in andrid/winmo/bbos ... lol waiting for new custom os's is a pain |
| 06:29.19 | rwhitby | BeeRad: yeah, we do things in a way which tends to not create PrimaDonna's and allow anyone to recreate anything we do. Quite different from most custom rom scenes. |
| 06:29.41 | rwhitby | and intentionally created in that way :) |
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| 06:31.33 | hborders | going to bed. i'll try the directions tomorrow. ubuntu is done. :) |
| 06:31.39 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Its a beautiful thing. This community is more of a lifestyle IMO. Android vs. webOS and which is better is strictly personal subjective opinion. I think it comes more down to how do you want things to work? I personally cant stand waiting around for a ROM chef to create a new ROM and all the mess that goes with rooting a device, etc etc. At this point the motto still stands...."it's near impossible to brick a Pre" and |
| 06:32.15 | eric2k | I wish bell had not been stupid. they released the CMDA pre 2 months before opening HSPA network. |
| 06:32.26 | eric2k | It was dead on arivval no one gave it a chance. Bell only pushed it for 1 month... |
| 06:32.43 | eric2k | every rep was saying wait for the iphone. |
| 06:33.55 | Tman | rwhitby: I gave up on debian btw. Installing ubuntu ;p |
| 06:34.35 | ka6sox-work | Tman, not even sure squeeze has everything needed. |
| 06:34.38 | rwhitby | BeeRad: the basic foundational rule that all the information and source code and build instructions to replicate anything on ipkg.preware.org exists in public respositories has a powerful flow-on effect. |
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| 06:35.21 | BeeRad | rwhitby: And it shows. ;) |
| 06:38.28 | BeeRad | rwhitby: with what has been promised for release this fall for webOS from Palm, are you really feeling like this OS is going to make leaps forward, or is it mostly a cautious "wait and see" approach? Legit claims or just hot air? |
| 06:41.42 | Tman | BeeRad: are you referring to the extended APIs or more than just that? |
| 06:42.33 | BeeRad | Tman: Under the hood improvements. |
| 06:42.54 | eric2k | Is there any site like http://pleasefixtheiphone.com/ for webos? |
| 06:43.02 | Kyusaku | the couchDB and other things I imagine |
| 06:44.33 | Tman | ah yeah |
| 06:44.46 | Tman | I read about all of it.. just can't remember it :p |
| 06:44.59 | Kyusaku | eric2k: lol no. But Palm support is often lending its ear to support and issues on communities like Precentral |
| 06:46.01 | eric2k | they should be a nice wishlist thread lol. Thats actually updated as things are fixed. I been reading around and all thoes posts listing things are from 2009. Never updated. then 50 pages long. |
| 06:46.06 | eric2k | First post should be updated lol |
| 06:46.43 | eric2k | IE |
| 06:46.44 | Kyusaku | I think there's a wishlist thread in Palm Support forum |
| 06:46.44 | eric2k | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/182595-buglist-pre.html |
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| 06:47.13 | eric2k | they took down the http://pre.uservoice.com/pages/21043-palm-pre-feature-requests?filter=top&page=1 page |
| 06:47.22 | eric2k | They HAD A features request page up |
| 06:47.56 | jhojho | didnt know the uservoice page was taken down |
| 06:47.58 | jhojho | that's too bad |
| 06:48.00 | eric2k | but meh to want/wish list. Palm has a email box where you can send things. |
| 06:48.14 | eric2k | On there support page you can request/explain why |
| 06:48.31 | eric2k | What i am woundering is, anyone know besides reading all 50 pages on precenteral buglist thread... |
| 06:48.43 | jhojho | i like uservoice for people having a list of specific feature requests |
| 06:48.46 | eric2k | is there a nice 1.4.1 up to date POST 1.4.1 with bugs? |
| 06:48.58 | rwhitby | eric2k: not that I know of |
| 06:49.34 | rwhitby | eric2k: if you're going to be doing serious dev, you want to get on the developer.palm.com forums and apply for early access |
| 06:50.13 | rwhitby | BeeRad: db8 and couchDB will likely be the basis of feed access in Preware Gen 2 |
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| 06:50.30 | eric2k | Im just dipping my toes in the pond right now. I been mullling over a Pre since it launched. I have been using windows mobile as my daily driver for years. |
| 06:50.38 | swisstomcat | morning |
| 06:50.58 | eric2k | I feel like Andriod is a bit of a let down. Windows Phone 7 will be ages. WebOS. Ive played with it and it leaves me feeling hmm this could be it. |
| 06:51.33 | swisstomcat | yeah, it's really nice |
| 06:51.34 | eric2k | WebOS even on the current PRE can standup to almost anything. Couple it with some real hardware :) hmmm i like that idea. |
| 06:52.15 | BeeRad | rwhitby: the V8 engine should be making its way into webOS soon as well shouldn't it? |
| 06:52.28 | rwhitby | BeeRad: webOS has had v8 for ever |
| 06:52.37 | Kyusaku | lol |
| 06:52.48 | BeeRad | rwhitby: pardon me....sorry I mean the newest improvements..... |
| 06:52.54 | Kyusaku | yeah v8 has been there since launch |
| 06:52.55 | eric2k | anyone else come from Windows Mobile/Andriod to webos/pre? |
| 06:53.17 | Kyusaku | I came from WinMo |
| 06:53.23 | Kyusaku | 6.1 |
| 06:53.28 | rwhitby | eric2k: I used to run android-internals.org, but gave it up due to lack of interest |
| 06:53.29 | Kyusaku | on a treo |
| 06:53.31 | BeeRad | rwhitby: Didnt Google just improve the heck out of the V8 engine? |
| 06:53.53 | swisstomcat | i came from a treo too |
| 06:54.09 | eric2k | Andriod is a huge disappointment. I do not get why blogs give it so much credit. |
| 06:54.49 | Kyusaku | Android has done well with API access |
| 06:55.28 | eric2k | Only 2.2 has opened things up. I talk with Betaboy of coreplayer team a fair bit. Also a buddie off team working on kinoma. |
| 06:55.44 | eric2k | Trying to get coreplayer ported and working properly has been fun. Almost there now for coreplayer. |
| 06:56.53 | eric2k | as for Andriod devices. In canada.... Dream/Magic/EVE/Galaxy/hero have all be lack luster devices. Low ram/old cpu. GPUs re lackluster. Then the new moto triplets suck even more. |
| 06:57.15 | eric2k | DROID is the only good canadian device and it is still not rooted. |
| 06:57.54 | eric2k | buying an Nexus one is not worth the cost at like 700$ after shipping in canada. |
| 06:58.04 | rwhitby | I personally don't bother trying to root a device on which the manufacturer is hostile/ |
| 06:59.35 | rwhitby | that game is for the prima donna's, not those who want to set up stable complementary avenues for deeper development that the manufacturer doesn't have to send lawyers against |
| 07:00.12 | BeeRad | rwhitby: *coughcoughHTCcoughcough* |
| 07:00.46 | eric2k | Sorta annoying waiting and hopeing motorola will update a device with andriod 1.5 on it. Or people with droids drooling over 2.2 and waiting till maybe september for it. |
| 07:02.41 | eric2k | I feel like palm could do so well in canada atleast. Launch a HSPA device on all 3 networks here. 8-11mm well built slate with 4â0 inch screen with decent resolution and Same processor as Galaxy S or Droid X or even combo on N8 or n9. throw a 8MP camera/xenon flash. |
| 07:03.30 | eric2k | Price it at 150$ on a 3 year contract here in canada. People would consider it over a iphone at 199 |
| 07:03.41 | jhojho | wow . this is stupid http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_15338527 |
| 07:03.43 | jhojho | OT |
| 07:04.18 | eric2k | LOL |
| 07:04.28 | BeeRad | jhojho: Thats retarded! |
| 07:04.49 | rwhitby | GooglePlatest |
| 07:04.53 | rwhitby | GooglePlates |
| 07:04.58 | eric2k | LOl |
| 07:05.05 | jhojho | that has got to be the silliest thing i have seen in a while. |
| 07:05.41 | swisstomcat | is it april 1st? |
| 07:05.41 | rwhitby | I won't be surprised when it is enacted. |
| 07:05.42 | BeeRad | "Sorry officer, I was watching a captivating Apple commercial and then I hit their car"...... |
| 07:06.07 | rwhitby | "It passed unanimously through the Senate last month" |
| 07:06.23 | Tman | lol |
| 07:06.40 | BeeRad | Government will reap the ad revenue Im sure. |
| 07:07.00 | Kyusaku | lol electric plates made me think of the bar code license plates in Back to the Future 2 |
| 07:07.32 | Tman | leave it to California.. seriously.. |
| 07:08.10 | rwhitby | BeeRad: think of the aftermarket hacks to display rude messages to people who cut you off |
| 07:08.27 | BeeRad | rwhitby: LOL. |
| 07:08.41 | BeeRad | *middle finger* |
| 07:09.47 | rwhitby | animated |
| 07:10.20 | rwhitby | and think of how the adult industry in LA can take advantage of it too |
| 07:10.51 | BeeRad | rwhitby: what if hackers could hack YOUR plates? Show off your phone number, address, email.. :O |
| 07:11.26 | rwhitby | autovirus |
| 07:12.10 | Kyusaku | car thieves could so take advantage of that |
| 07:12.24 | Kyusaku | no need to swap plates |
| 07:12.36 | eric2k | Question for you guys |
| 07:12.49 | BeeRad | What if the plates could REPORT a stolen car though. Never know.... |
| 07:12.56 | eric2k | Has Palm or palm staff ever mentioned or commented on HTML5/WebOS? |
| 07:13.01 | eric2k | IE the browser updates |
| 07:13.02 | swisstomcat | what part? |
| 07:13.15 | eric2k | Will it have more support/whats the plans for html5 |
| 07:13.23 | BeeRad | lol |
| 07:13.28 | swisstomcat | they have hinted at html5 improvments e.g geolocation at the developer days |
| 07:13.30 | Kyusaku | they added a bunch on canvas support a few updates ago |
| 07:13.46 | swisstomcat | for the big summer/fall update |
| 07:13.58 | rwhitby | eric2k: take a look at the developer day keynote speech video |
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| 07:14.04 | Kyusaku | they welcome both HTML5 and Flash |
| 07:14.18 | BeeRad | Flash.....meh. *shutter* |
| 07:14.44 | jhojho | ka6sox-work: can you drop in dropbox the defconfig for the stock pixi kernel? |
| 07:14.49 | Kyusaku | just saying, since the whole HTML5 vs Flash debacle |
| 07:14.55 | BeeRad | Yeah I know. |
| 07:15.04 | BeeRad | I think Flash is just a bridge IMO. |
| 07:15.18 | ka6sox-work | its in git |
| 07:15.37 | ka6sox-work | jhojho, its in git kernels/patches.git |
| 07:15.57 | eric2k | HTML5+javascript+CSS you can do a lot. |
| 07:16.32 | eric2k | although HTML5 will not be finalized for sometime. In its current state HTML5 can not do some basic silverlight4 browser based stuff. |
| 07:16.43 | eric2k | thats not a biggie though |
| 07:16.58 | jhojho | ka6sox-work: I dont see it. |
| 07:17.16 | BeeRad | jhojho: So are you leading the way for Pixi awesomeness? |
| 07:17.21 | eric2k | my general point is going to http://www.kesiev.com/akihabara/ |
| 07:17.22 | jhojho | I'm looking for the full config |
| 07:17.28 | jhojho | BeeRad: no comment |
| 07:17.30 | eric2k | Do thoes HTML5 games work on current 1.4.1 browser? |
| 07:17.37 | jhojho | i'm experimenting |
| 07:17.41 | BeeRad | jhojho: Booooo |
| 07:17.42 | jhojho | that's all I am saying right now |
| 07:17.52 | eric2k | im working on a little project and will be similar to thoes games there. |
| 07:17.57 | BeeRad | jhojho: Should I buy one? ;) |
| 07:18.09 | jhojho | you should buy one regardless |
| 07:18.12 | jhojho | i like the pixi |
| 07:18.32 | eric2k | anyone mind trying one of thoes games on pre |
| 07:18.35 | eric2k | see if it loads even? |
| 07:18.36 | BeeRad | jhojho: Well DUH. But I mean...should I REALLY *wink wink* be buying one? haha |
| 07:18.44 | eric2k | works fine on iphone/operamobile 10 |
| 07:18.56 | eric2k | Not so much on andriod |
| 07:18.56 | jhojho | I dont work for palm |
| 07:19.00 | jhojho | so yes |
| 07:19.09 | jhojho | but it's your $$$ |
| 07:19.14 | Kyusaku | eric2k: I remember an article on precentral saying they work on pre, gonna try |
| 07:19.27 | eric2k | kk try any one of thoes games out |
| 07:19.32 | eric2k | tell me if sound comes through also in game |
| 07:19.35 | eric2k | very interested |
| 07:19.43 | BeeRad | smacks forehead. I dont think he gets my angle....lol |
| 07:19.49 | jhojho | but i like the pixi enuff that i'm willing to trade a att pre plus for a eu banded pixi plus |
| 07:20.01 | jhojho | it's late and I need more food |
| 07:20.08 | jhojho | =) |
| 07:20.17 | BeeRad | jhojho: Understood. |
| 07:20.49 | jhojho | anyone know of a good visual diff tool for mac? |
| 07:20.52 | eric2k | Really Jho? why no love for pre? |
| 07:21.06 | eric2k | Pre Plus HSPA eu band shuld own the pixi? lol? |
| 07:21.09 | BeeRad | jhojho: What Im saying is.....there has been some mumbling of Pixi improvements under the hood, and if so....I want on that bandwagon early. I prefer the Pixi form factor over the Pre honestly. |
| 07:21.20 | eric2k | O |
| 07:21.37 | eric2k | Pixi's screen is so tiny though :( |
| 07:21.50 | BeeRad | For you maybe. Just saying.... |
| 07:22.08 | eric2k | after having 3'7 incher Omnia II/Nexus One.... it feels so weird using a blackberry bold900 |
| 07:22.16 | BeeRad | I dont need a huge screen, and no offense, 3.1 on the Pre isnt that large. |
| 07:22.21 | swisstomcat | try this html5 game: http://jsway.se/m/ |
| 07:22.57 | BeeRad | The slider alone makes me want to move to the Pixi+ full time. |
| 07:24.19 | BeeRad | I swear, if the Pixi had a different name...more people would have them. Im serious. |
| 07:24.32 | eric2k | LoL Palm has made so many mistakes its not funny |
| 07:24.43 | eric2k | but a lot of good on other hand |
| 07:24.49 | eric2k | the mistakes they make should not be mistakes |
| 07:24.52 | eric2k | it boggles my mind |
| 07:25.00 | BeeRad | It could be a 1ghz, 512 RAM 8MP cam monster and because of the name alone....people wouldnt buy it. Just sayin. |
| 07:25.11 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 07:25.15 | ka6sox-work | BeeRad, I LOVE my Pixi and Pixi Plus...(although I'll never have my hands on the Pixi again....wife has it now) |
| 07:25.54 | BeeRad | ka6sox-work: I know, we talked about that the other night. Did you finally get the one squared away and running? |
| 07:26.27 | eric2k | that games sweet |
| 07:26.27 | bhuey | Does the developer of the message plugin patch lurk here ? |
| 07:26.48 | ka6sox-work | BeeRad, I got another battery |
| 07:26.57 | ka6sox-work | from Sprint |
| 07:27.12 | ka6sox-work | and put it on my plan...so she is happy now. |
| 07:27.35 | BeeRad | ka6sox-work: Right, I remember that was the issue, but weren't you still find things under the hood that were ill? |
| 07:27.55 | eric2k | swiss |
| 07:27.59 | eric2k | did you make that orb game? |
| 07:29.31 | ka6sox-work | BeeRad, not really...bad Sim but Sprint fixed that |
| 07:29.57 | ka6sox-work | they were just happy to have it on contract. |
| 07:32.20 | Tman | my workspace has 20 windows open over two screens.. and that's just my webos space |
| 07:33.08 | Tman | things are getting out of hand :p |
| 07:35.29 | jhojho | man araxis merge is crazy expensive |
| 07:35.45 | jhojho | all I wanted was a nice diff tool. getting old. |
| 07:38.39 | swisstomcat | eric2k: no, not my game |
| 07:39.15 | eric2k | how do you guys always message like that? im on the webchat.freenode.net |
| 07:39.22 | eric2k | geussing you guys are on MIRC? or something |
| 07:39.31 | ka6sox-work | jhojho, http://palm.cdnetworks.net/opensource/1.4.1.1/linuxkernel-2.6.24-patch(pixi).gz |
| 07:39.40 | Tman | x-chat for me |
| 07:39.42 | ka6sox-work | thats where the defconfig for the pixi is :D |
| 07:40.07 | ka6sox-work | jhojho, second .config (first one is pre, second is pixi) |
| 07:40.44 | jhojho | gak |
| 07:40.49 | ka6sox-work | its not that bad. |
| 07:40.53 | jhojho | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:41.05 | ka6sox-work | the kernel is there too! |
| 07:41.10 | ka6sox-work | jas...lemme get that one too. |
| 07:41.16 | ka6sox-work | (I just read the patch |
| 07:41.17 | ka6sox-work | ) |
| 07:41.23 | eric2k | random question did they add auto correct to webos when typeing? |
| 07:42.11 | ka6sox-work | dropbox crashed FF |
| 07:42.40 | ka6sox-work | the link is @ opensource.palm.com |
| 07:42.49 | jhojho | yeah |
| 07:42.55 | jhojho | I know |
| 07:43.09 | jhojho | i just figured it was easier to copy it off a pixi |
| 07:44.04 | ka6sox-work | jas...its the chuck config |
| 07:44.14 | ka6sox-work | its in /boot |
| 07:44.30 | ka6sox-work | ugh... |
| 07:45.47 | BeeRad | Hey, how many of you guys are actively doing dev work on/for the Pixi at this time? |
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| 07:52.41 | BeeRad | G'night gentlemen. |
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| 08:00.46 | ka6sox-work | I found an error in optware open ssh that I now have to fix...oh well. |
| 08:03.02 | ka6sox-work | ERROR:gitosis.serve.main:Arguments to command look dangerous |
| 08:05.15 | swisstomcat | :) |
| 08:08.13 | jhojho | I wonder if dropbox linux will compile under arm... |
| 08:08.36 | jhojho | that could be a quick way to get dropbox on the pre =) |
| 08:10.08 | ka6sox-work | Good Luck! (I |
| 08:10.12 | ka6sox-work | 'd like to see it) |
| 08:10.16 | jhojho | nah. |
| 08:10.19 | ka6sox-work | okay I need to sleep... |
| 08:10.25 | jhojho | someone else can take that one |
| 08:12.03 | ka6sox-work | Good Plan(tm) |
| 08:12.06 | jhojho | i'll see about flipping on all the bits for warthog next. all governors, io sched, etc. |
| 08:12.21 | ka6sox-work | got config? |
| 08:12.49 | ka6sox-work | that should be the warthog one. |
| 08:12.55 | ka6sox-work | its what I'm running currently |
| 08:13.02 | ka6sox-work | hasn't broken. |
| 08:13.07 | ka6sox-work | *yet* :D |
| 08:13.26 | jhojho | oh it's not the stock config? |
| 08:13.31 | jhojho | oh well. it's a start |
| 08:13.53 | ka6sox-work | um...you wanted me to test warthog...so thats whats on there:D |
| 08:14.03 | jhojho | no worries |
| 08:14.05 | jhojho | that's fine |
| 08:14.23 | ka6sox-work | just tear apart the pixi/pixi + ipk...its all there> |
| 08:15.19 | jhojho | i just put various variants of ttcp/httperf under the net dir in dropbox |
| 08:15.36 | eric2k | K |
| 08:15.39 | ka6sox-work | warthog is running in both of my machines |
| 08:15.45 | jhojho | the kin looks like someone took a pre and squashed it vertically |
| 08:15.56 | eric2k | selling galaxy for 250 and omnia II for 280. Getting a PRE for 150. Woot. im excited. |
| 08:16.26 | ka6sox-work | I have an omnia II...cost me $25000 |
| 08:16.49 | eric2k | I got my Omnia II for 150CAD |
| 08:16.52 | eric2k | Wicked deal |
| 08:17.09 | eric2k | I might as well make some money. |
| 08:17.14 | eric2k | Still got my touch pro for windows mobile needs. |
| 08:17.19 | ka6sox-work | ya, but I'll bet yours doesn't make Country Music sound AWESOME :D |
| 08:17.38 | eric2k | Which OS do you like better |
| 08:17.46 | eric2k | WindowsMobile or WebOS |
| 08:17.54 | eric2k | Windows Mobile 6.5.5 is not bad. |
| 08:17.58 | ka6sox-work | you have to ask in this channel? |
| 08:18.07 | eric2k | Well you said you had an omnia :P |
| 08:18.33 | ka6sox-work | yes, its an audio processor/stereo generator... |
| 08:18.40 | eric2k | O :P |
| 08:18.46 | eric2k | Im talking about a samsung omnia II :P |
| 08:18.49 | eric2k | a mobile phone |
| 08:19.05 | ka6sox-work | but I've played with wm and it barely passes muster as an OS. |
| 08:19.33 | ka6sox-work | looks more like a loose collection of parts all going in the same direction.(mostly) |
| 08:20.07 | eric2k | LoL have you tried it on a modern device like a TP2/HD2 ETC? |
| 08:20.12 | eric2k | or a o2 |
| 08:20.23 | ka6sox-work | no, I gave it up for Lent...never went back. |
| 08:20.47 | ka6sox-work | I switched to a crackberry ATP |
| 08:21.18 | eric2k | 6.5.5 is really good, other then VS iphone/Andriod 2.2/Pre on browser.... opera 10/9.7 cant really hold much to webkit |
| 08:21.29 | eric2k | it is a really powerful platform |
| 08:21.46 | eric2k | webos looks like the new windows mobile for me though :P |
| 08:22.03 | eric2k | With windows 7 being iphone type gayness for atleast a year till it is all hacked up |
| 08:22.13 | ka6sox-work | I'm not much on apps...but comparing base os's hands down webos is much better. |
| 08:23.03 | swisstomcat | erik2k: you probably use HTC sense on top of WM |
| 08:23.19 | ka6sox-work | okay gotta get sleep...nn |
| 08:23.32 | eric2k | to be honest i prefer Microsoft's Titanium UI. |
| 08:23.57 | swisstomcat | night ka6sox |
| 08:24.02 | eric2k | Sense +CHT 1.8.5 is really neat though. |
| 08:24.12 | eric2k | Night ka6sox |
| 08:24.47 | eric2k | which is the best extended battery for cost for pre? |
| 08:24.49 | eric2k | cdma |
| 08:24.56 | swisstomcat | i use the 1400 |
| 08:25.08 | swisstomcat | mugen |
| 08:26.10 | eric2k | everyone tells me who got a pre |
| 08:26.23 | eric2k | IT IS GREAT, but get an extended bat 100%. |
| 08:26.35 | eric2k | that and everyone says consider the 800mhz overclock |
| 08:26.45 | eric2k | I figure thats not a bright idea if the battery is already so crap lol |
| 08:26.52 | eric2k | but if its a must have tweak... |
| 08:27.09 | eric2k | sorta like my Galaxy. It runs like POS without 700mhz overclock. |
| 08:28.31 | eric2k | anyone here know much about NDK for webs? |
| 08:28.40 | eric2k | 2.2 finally added NDK for andriod |
| 08:31.47 | rwhitby | eric2k: use screenstate 500/800 - 500 when screen is off, 800 when screen is on. |
| 08:32.07 | rwhitby | native dev is PDK for webOS from Palm, or WIDK from us |
| 08:32.42 | rwhitby | eric2k: what development host OS do you use? |
| 08:32.50 | eric2k | The Android NDK is different from the Palm SDK - NDK can only be used for number crunching. Front end still has to be implemented in Java. So no "recompile, deploy" as in the Palm SDK. |
| 08:33.16 | eric2k | I have not looked at webos in abit. reading up right now |
| 08:33.30 | rwhitby | eric2k: best thing to do is watch the developer day videos |
| 08:33.32 | eric2k | last i knew the proper native stuff was private |
| 08:34.10 | rwhitby | finally found the Govnah bug which is stopping profiles with governor-specific parameters from being recognised |
| 08:41.27 | eric2k | ooo this keynote is nice |
| 08:42.06 | bhuey | yeah, cna't wait until db8 is implementd |
| 08:42.16 | bhuey | hopefully that'll make think much faster under webos |
| 08:42.34 | bhuey | think=things |
| 08:45.15 | rwhitby | adds sticky compcache to govnah ... |
| 08:48.58 | jhojho | can anyone confirm that the pixi build uses arch/arm/configs/msm7x25_defconfig? |
| 08:51.28 | rwhitby | jhojho: it does not. |
| 08:51.35 | rwhitby | it uses chuck_defconfig |
| 08:51.48 | jhojho | that was my next guess |
| 08:51.49 | jhojho | ths |
| 08:51.51 | jhojho | thx |
| 08:53.06 | eric2k | do you guys think forthcoming webos releases will make use of GPU for menus and so on? so its all snappy like the current 800mhz patch |
| 08:53.32 | rwhitby | jhojho: are you "dunno" in git ? |
| 08:53.43 | jhojho | heh |
| 08:53.46 | jhojho | yeah |
| 08:53.52 | jhojho | I didnt config it on mason |
| 08:53.56 | jhojho | that's what it default to |
| 08:54.05 | jhojho | i fixed it today after i noticed |
| 08:54.19 | jhojho | I should have left it as dunno =) |
| 08:55.39 | rwhitby | Govnah 0.4.9 is released, with the profile save bug fixed and sticky compcache. Please recreate any custom profiles. |
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| 08:57.43 | swisstomcat | will test new govnah right away |
| 08:57.51 | jhojho | DO IT |
| 08:58.20 | rwhitby | govnah 0.4.9 and Uber 1.4.x-46 should be close to feature complete for a public release |
| 08:58.40 | rwhitby | Both working correctly on Pre and Pixi. |
| 08:58.57 | swisstomcat | and then i should take another look at the visual design of the governor page |
| 08:59.14 | swisstomcat | see if i can split off the compcache part |
| 08:59.32 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: I'd even like three parts. generic, governor-specific, and compcache |
| 09:00.27 | swisstomcat | just have to crack how oil did that page :) |
| 09:01.07 | jhojho | yeah and pls get ready to be able to set IO sched and TCP congest algo =) |
| 09:01.30 | swisstomcat | that would be another section |
| 09:01.33 | rwhitby | yep |
| 09:01.40 | swisstomcat | networking? |
| 09:03.57 | jhojho | yes |
| 09:04.08 | jhojho | and io sched will be different section too |
| 09:04.29 | swisstomcat | aye |
| 09:04.30 | jhojho | i'm working on flipping the bits for them on warthog |
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| 09:05.04 | jhojho | goal is for the config to still default to what pre/pixi shipped with but use govnah to switch |
| 09:05.22 | jhojho | lol. ka6sox-mobile could not stay away |
| 09:05.34 | ka6sox-mobile | heh |
| 09:06.23 | swisstomcat | 0.4.9 and UK-46 are installed .. rebooting |
| 09:06.38 | jhojho | at some point, I'll need volunteers for network testing. |
| 09:07.41 | ka6sox-mobile | jhojho you mean victims? |
| 09:07.59 | jhojho | whatever =P |
| 09:09.41 | ka6sox-mobile | he he |
| 09:09.48 | ka6sox-mobile | nn |
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| 14:44.50 | bsiegel | test succeeded |
| 14:45.24 | BeeRad | Just reporting Govnah v.0.4.9 has the bug again where <500Mhz isn't showing during screenstate change. i.e. 250/800 125/800.... |
| 14:55.31 | en0x | oh stfu |
| 14:56.18 | uNiXpSyChO | works for me? |
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| 15:52.10 | jhoweb | rwhitby: check this out. wusaint just sent this to me. http://twitpic.com/1yrarp are there checks in place to prevent pixi kernels from being installed on pres and vice versa? |
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| 15:55.33 | BeeRad_ | jhoweb: It looks like the markers for the launcher pages are just covering up the icon text. Space issue? |
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| 16:08.21 | Gollyzila | Why is the compcache memlimit in my govnah set to 20240 when that's not even one of the available options? |
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| 16:09.56 | Gollyzila | Is anyone else seeing this in their govnah? |
| 16:10.45 | uNiXpSyChO | could you tell us what kernel you are running? |
| 16:11.09 | Gollyzila | Btw, I'm not using a custom profile. It defaulted to Screenstate 500/800. That could be my problem. |
| 16:11.21 | Gollyzila | I'm running 102A Delta Dagger |
| 16:11.37 | Gollyzila | And the latest version of Govnah |
| 16:11.39 | uNiXpSyChO | F102 uses 20MB compcache by default. |
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| 16:11.53 | uNiXpSyChO | this is common knowledge for that kernel |
| 16:12.23 | BeeRad_ | I'm at 128MB. |
| 16:12.25 | uNiXpSyChO | also F102 *only* uses 500/800 screenstate. it will not go lower |
| 16:12.41 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad_: you can change it after, but on boot it will be 20MB |
| 16:12.59 | uNiXpSyChO | i think new govnah and F102A build will cooperate more |
| 16:13.07 | Gollyzila | So compcache is not togglable for 102A? |
| 16:13.46 | uNiXpSyChO | it is. if you reboot the settings will default back to 20MB |
| 16:14.05 | uNiXpSyChO | new versions will work better. |
| 16:14.20 | BeeRad_ | I chose 128. |
| 16:14.33 | Gollyzila | Oh alright. So the 20240 memlimit is just a bug? |
| 16:14.40 | uNiXpSyChO | but F102 kernels are *well* documented to be barebones and no one should have expected parameter changes from it. |
| 16:14.55 | uNiXpSyChO | Gollyzila: absolutely NOT a bug |
| 16:15.23 | Gollyzila | What does 20240 mean then? Is it the memlimit? |
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| 16:15.37 | uNiXpSyChO | yes |
| 16:16.00 | Gollyzila | 20240= default to 20MB |
| 16:16.02 | Gollyzila | ? |
| 16:16.19 | uNiXpSyChO | are you puling hairs? |
| 16:16.29 | BeeRad_ | I'm observing Govnah in v.0.4.9 not showing anything below 500Mhz in screenstate even though 125 and 250 may be selected. This is watching the graph, not in the CL. |
| 16:17.40 | BeeRad_ | Again. I know this was fixed back in 0.4.6 I believe? I forget. |
| 16:17.44 | Gollyzila | uNiXpSyChO: I'm sorry if frustrating you. I just don't understand why it is always switching to 20240 even though the highest option is 128MB. |
| 16:17.45 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad_: I see the graph dip with 0.4.9. |
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| 16:18.22 | BeeRad_ | uNiXpSyChO: Whats your screenstate set to? |
| 16:18.53 | vibol | Gollyzila: Use UberKernel in testing if you want to modify compcache. |
| 16:19.01 | uNiXpSyChO | Gollyzila: i just told you. and it is common knowledge that F102 kernels are statically set so you dont need govnah or anything to control it. if you want to change the memlimit then you should use F104A or UberKernel. |
| 16:19.26 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad_: 1005/250 |
| 16:20.20 | vibol | uNiXpSyChO: where's the changelog for f104a? |
| 16:20.20 | Gollyzila | Everyone: I don't want to change the memlimit. I was just looking for an explanation for 20240 and I have. Thanks uNiXpSyChO. |
| 16:21.09 | BeeRad_ | uNiXpSyChO: Hmmm. Maybe a clean reinstall of Govnah is in order? |
| 16:21.26 | Gollyzila | There is no wiki explaining compcache memlimit in govnah, right? |
| 16:21.53 | uNiXpSyChO | Gollyzila: i could have sworn you mentioned change compcache number. maybe i misunderstood. |
| 16:22.40 | uNiXpSyChO | Gollyzila: there is no wiki since it is still in testing and it was understood that most people knew what that param was. |
| 16:23.10 | Gollyzila | uNiXpSyChO: Yes I did. But I wasn't realizing I couldn't change the memlimit. |
| 16:23.11 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad_: dunno? you dont see the graph dip when screen is off? |
| 16:24.56 | uNiXpSyChO | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=compcache |
| 16:25.04 | BeeRad_ | uNiXpSyChO: Yes, I do....but if you have the screen dimmed enough (i.e. 10% or so) you can actually observe the the dip and the numbers that go with it when the screen dims right before shutting off. I'm sure you know about this. |
| 16:25.35 | Gollyzila | uNiXpSyChO: I just read a post rwhitby posted explaining about free memory and swap and total memory. And I'm searching everywhere as to where the compcache memlimit fits into it. I know compcache compress free memory so it can be used instead of the slow memory,but what I'd like to know is for what type of memory is compcache memlimit referring to. |
| 16:26.02 | BeeRad_ | uNiXpSyChO: So when I do this with a SS setting of 250/800, when the screen dims before shutting off....it's only dipping to 500Mhz, not 250 as it should. Again, this is just what the graph and numbers are showing. I don't know yet what the CL would say. |
| 16:26.25 | uNiXpSyChO | RAM. memlimit param tells the driver to *only* use XXX amount of RAM for its compressed pages. |
| 16:27.08 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad_: you using the latest Uber? |
| 16:27.12 | BeeRad_ | uNiXpSyChO: I wouldn't say this is an "issue" or a "bug", but I've been observing this ever since SS was released. Then I noticed that rwhitby released a Govnah that "fixed" this issue. Then it came back. |
| 16:27.18 | BeeRad_ | uNiXpSyChO: Yes sir. |
| 16:28.04 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad_: unfortunately if the screen is dimmed way too low it will conflict with TS detection code. the magic nuber is like 20% or something. |
| 16:28.11 | Gollyzila | uNiXpSyChO: Thank you!!! |
| 16:28.18 | uNiXpSyChO | but i dont know why you see 500 when set at 250 |
| 16:28.35 | BeeRad_ | UK v1.4.1-46 and Govnah v.0.4.9 |
| 16:29.31 | Gollyzila | Actually my brigtness is at 10% and my Pre is running at a maximum of 800MHz |
| 16:30.58 | uNiXpSyChO | mine too. but some users have apps installed that make the brightness almost go to 0. |
| 16:31.38 | BeeRad_ | Yeah, with the screen at 10% it show 800Mhz just fine. It show the SS change at the proper times. The only odd thing I've seen is not reporting the screen off setting properly. Again, not complaining. Doesn't really matter to me. Some other people may complain to no end if they see it though. haha |
| 16:31.46 | uNiXpSyChO | previous versions of Uber SS version did not allow scaling below 500MHz... the newet Uber does. |
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| 16:32.36 | Gollyzila | Mode Switcher does that. I see my phone dip to 500MHz when MS makes my brightness go down to 0 (which isn't true 0. I've seen my screen on without a backlight right after unlocking it, but the backlight then quickly turns on) |
| 16:33.00 | uNiXpSyChO | yeah, apps like that can confuse screenstate |
| 16:34.12 | sk4jc | What feed do these new kernels appear in? |
| 16:34.27 | sk4jc | i have the testing feed but is there an alpha feed as well? |
| 16:34.38 | Gollyzila | Wow, I just found uNiXpSyChO 's post explaining the memlimit. |
| 16:34.48 | uNiXpSyChO | Gollyzila: what rwhitby was referring to slow memory was "disk". RAM is faster then any disk, even flash disk. |
| 16:35.05 | Gollyzila | sk4jc: There are separate testing feeds for apps and kernels |
| 16:36.19 | sk4jc | what is the kernel feed? |
| 16:36.27 | Gollyzila | Flash disk is only used when free RAM and swap are used to full capacity? |
| 16:38.03 | Gollyzila | The memory/swap graph in govnah is showing how much RAM is being used or what is left? |
| 16:38.21 | uNiXpSyChO | Gollyzila: sort-of. when the compressed RAM bucket (memlimit) is full then compcache uses the backing-store swap which is usually disk of somekind. the OS only sees swap, it knows nothing of compress pages, the compcache driver handles the hard work and shuffling of pages. |
| 16:38.40 | Gollyzila | sk4jc: are you asking for the Url? |
| 16:40.15 | Gollyzila | uNiXpSyChO: instead of using another disk, can't compcache use the free RAM? Or is that not optimal usage? |
| 16:40.27 | sk4jc | yes, or the wiki page that might contain it |
| 16:41.06 | uNiXpSyChO | Gollyzila: not really optimal. then you'll have a blackhole :-) |
| 16:41.17 | uNiXpSyChO | hence why there is a memlimit param |
| 16:41.47 | Gollyzila | sk4jc: Are you looking for the testing or public feed? If you want the testing feed,you need to find it yourself. It's a sort of "test" to see if you're ready to be an alpha tester. |
| 16:42.04 | Gollyzila | Cool |
| 16:42.34 | uNiXpSyChO | Gollyzila: the govnah graph shows compcache compressed pages+swap backing-store. |
| 16:42.45 | sk4jc | I see, well i found the testing feed before so I'm sure I can find this one. Just lazy i guess. |
| 16:44.36 | sk4jc | ok, found it. |
| 16:45.14 | Gollyzila | uNiXpSyChO: Okay. So compcache memlimit is set to 20MB. And govnah shows memory/swap as 229/54. Is that looking good? I have 5 cards open right now. |
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| 16:46.04 | uNiXpSyChO | Gollyzila: wow. you got games opened too? |
| 16:47.10 | Gollyzila | Nope. Just browser, govnah, wirc #webos-internals card, email, and the main scene of wIRC. |
| 16:48.01 | uNiXpSyChO | oh. that's fine. just thought you had some basic apps open. |
| 16:48.37 | sk4jc | Thank you for all the hard work on these kernels |
| 16:48.42 | Gollyzila | So when the phone uses RAM, it compresses it? And that's what is shown in govnah? |
| 16:48.46 | sk4jc | installing the testing uberkernel now |
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| 16:49.29 | uNiXpSyChO | Gollyzila: yep, it shows the usage. |
| 16:50.27 | BeeRad_ | uNiXpSyChO: Full reset was the key. Luna wasn't enough. Hmmm.... Showing 250 like it should. |
| 16:51.01 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad_: was this for Uber install or govnah? |
| 16:53.48 | BeeRad_ | uNiXpSyChO: Newest UK got released this morning, correct? |
| 16:54.01 | BeeRad_ | This morning is blur already.... |
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| 16:57.00 | sk4jc | five minutes later my pre has rebooted. |
| 16:57.08 | Gollyzila | Sprint Pre has maximum of 250MB RAM, right? Now I get why uNiXpSyChO said wow. I wonder what happens if I try to run a 3D game. They take 70MB of RAM, correct? |
| 16:57.35 | Gollyzila | So that'll just overload the RAM and crash my Pre? |
| 16:57.43 | uNiXpSyChO | BeeRad_: probably. i was sleeping while rwhitby was working :-) |
| 16:58.43 | uNiXpSyChO | Gollyzila: doubt your Pre will crash. I tested with a 20MB compcache size and run 48 cards with 3 3D games running. |
| 16:59.49 | Gollyzila | Woah. I've only gone to 20 cards, including 2 games. I stopped cause I got bored and my Pre was sooooo slow to open the launcher and switch the pages. |
| 16:59.56 | BeeRad_ | uNiXpSyChO: Must have been after the UK release. And here I was complaining that it was Govnahs fault. *facepalm* I did a reset after the UK update because it recommends it. This second reset got it to show properly. |
| 17:01.28 | uNiXpSyChO | i meant 2 3D games. not that it matters at that point ;-) |
| 17:01.38 | BeeRad_ | Gollyzila: I've got a Pre Plus with MemLimit set to 128 and I've gotten a ton of stuff open and the phone was still very useable. |
| 17:01.56 | Gollyzila | BeeRad_: Wow |
| 17:02.39 | BeeRad_ | Ill try it again... |
| 17:03.14 | Gollyzila | So compcache compress 20MB of RAM to create 40MB of RAM free to be used? |
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| 17:04.05 | Gollyzila | How many MB can swap handle? |
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| 17:06.09 | uNiXpSyChO | Gollyzila: the compression ration is something like 3:1 |
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| 17:06.13 | uNiXpSyChO | ratio |
| 17:06.39 | uNiXpSyChO | the default swap on a Pre is 128MB or so. |
| 17:06.46 | uNiXpSyChO | i think |
| 17:08.26 | Gollyzila | 20MB compressed to create 60MB? Woah, so 128MB:384MB? |
| 17:09.38 | halfhalo_pre | magical... |
| 17:09.51 | BeeRad_ | This is ridiculous....still going.... |
| 17:10.42 | Gollyzila | How many are you at BeeRad_ ? |
| 17:11.27 | uNiXpSyChO | P|C is painfully slow today |
| 17:11.55 | halfhalo_pre | today.. you mean allways |
| 17:12.05 | BeeRad_ | 6 3D games, 3 standard games, 11 apps and still going. |
| 17:12.30 | Gollyzila | Woooooooah. |
| 17:12.40 | halfhalo_pre | yeah well I have onlive tshirt bricks in my backpack. win |
| 17:13.49 | Gollyzila | Has anyone noticed that zooming in the browser sometimes adds a tap aswell? |
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| 17:14.18 | halfhalo_pre | they were free... and alot of em |
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| 17:14.25 | sk4jc | im at 32 open apps right now with a 16mb compcache |
| 17:14.27 | BeeRad_ | Ok, its officially done. LOL |
| 17:14.57 | sk4jc | there it is, TMC |
| 17:15.05 | BeeRad_ | 6 3D games, 3 standard games, and 16 apps. Can't open anything else. She's done. |
| 17:15.35 | gollyzila|comp | I havent seen TMC since i first installed F102 |
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| 17:16.49 | halfhalo_pre | soo many acronyms |
| 17:17.36 | BeeRad_ | 42*c |
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| 17:18.46 | uNiXpSyChO | wait till you try 1GHz... |
| 17:20.03 | BeeRad_ | uNiXpSyChO: Waiting patiently.... :) |
| 17:20.29 | sk4jc | that was a whoops |
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| 17:20.43 | gollyzila|comp | wooo! back online |
| 17:21.39 | sk4jc | i was trying to up the compcache but i didn't notice the enable button was off. the setting applied and memory went critical |
| 17:22.05 | gollyzila|comp | uNiXpSyChO: I only have govnah open and it shows mem/swap as 210/76. is that normal? it seems pretty high to me |
| 17:22.59 | uNiXpSyChO | gollyzila|comp: yep |
| 17:23.38 | gollyzila|comp | how can i check mem/swap through command line? |
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| 17:27.34 | uNiXpSyChO | cat /proc/ramzswap |
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| 17:29.14 | gollyzila|comp | just realized 20240 was in KB |
| 17:30.23 | uNiXpSyChO | *facepalm* |
| 17:30.30 | BeeRad_ | D'oh! |
| 17:30.58 | gollyzila|comp | That wouldve made much more sense a while back |
| 17:34.12 | gollyzila|comp | When using cat /proc/ramzswap, which line shows the memory used? MemUsedTotal: 15900 kB ??? |
| 17:36.40 | uNiXpSyChO | that is how much compcache mem used. |
| 17:36.55 | uNiXpSyChO | use "free" to see normal OS mem usage |
| 17:37.11 | gollyzila|comp | thanks |
| 17:40.57 | BeeRad_ | After fresh reset my memory/swap is 315/0. |
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| 17:41.51 | gollyzila|comp | I'm really impressed with the development webos-internals has done. I had a 1st gen ipod and followed the homebrew scene till now and they've barely begun to run a different kernel on their phones. |
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| 17:44.30 | gollyzila|comp | what are the disadvantages of having a memlimit higher than 20MB? |
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| 18:03.06 | Kyutwo | gollyzila|comp: more usage of swap memory and more slowdown because of it. |
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| 18:38.07 | gollyzila|comp | Kyusaku: so lower memlimit= better performance? |
| 18:38.26 | uNiXpSyChO | no |
| 18:39.12 | ka6sox-away | no |
| 18:44.24 | gollyzila|comp | okay i think i understand |
| 18:44.53 | gollyzila|comp | something in the middle (like 20MB) is "just right" |
| 18:45.38 | BeeRad_ | iOS4 on my iPt 2g is really disappointing. |
| 18:46.12 | BeeRad_ | Apparently it doesn't have enough resources to have a custom homescreen wallpaper. Effing lame. |
| 18:46.35 | BeeRad_ | I understood no multitasking but that is ridiculous. |
| 18:46.51 | gollyzila|comp | double click the home button and you get to experience TRUE MULTITASKING!!!! oooh lordy. How did Apple come up with a concept so magical? |
| 18:49.25 | ka6sox-away | hmmm...with lighty wonder if anyone has done webDAV |
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| 18:59.26 | gollyzila|comp | Yesterday i was using 3G data on wIRC. i had full bars but my phone was getting 36.84% per hour battery drain. The only thing i could think of that was running in the background would be Tweed's background notifications (which i was not receiving at the time). |
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| 19:04.59 | Nettwerk | Hello all |
| 19:05.13 | Nettwerk | I have some quesions about kernels |
| 19:06.02 | vibol | gollyzila|comp: irc maintains an open socket to the server and transfers data pretty regularly. that will drain your battery quickly. |
| 19:08.34 | gollyzila|comp | okay. but ive noticed that battery drain is pretty intensive on my device when using 3g. Im going to turn on EVDO and turn off wifi and let it sit and see how much drain/hour it gets. |
| 19:09.31 | gollyzila|comp | Also, has anyone updated Virtual Keyboard? |
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| 19:10.49 | Nettwerk | :( who can help me to answer on some questions |
| 19:10.59 | egaudet_work | updated? |
| 19:11.13 | Nettwerk | I want install UberKernel or Compcatche. |
| 19:11.32 | Nettwerk | But I'd like to know which one is more safer? |
| 19:11.42 | egaudet_work | gollyzila|comp: are you talking about the one in the test feed? |
| 19:12.51 | gollyzila|comp | I believe that's the one. It says TESTING in the description. What's new in this version? |
| 19:13.35 | gollyzila|comp | Nettwerk: Compcache is a feature that is implemented into the alpha version of UberKernel |
| 19:14.16 | Nettwerk | Ok, I have installed patches. Do need remove patches before install Uberkernel? |
| 19:14.59 | Nettwerk | Installed patches: Character counter Add Move to Folder Button (Mail) Bookmarks list button Default to Month View Fasted Card Animation Glass Effect New Card Button Palm Carrier String Unhide Dev Mode Icon |
| 19:17.28 | gollyzila|comp | Nettwerk: Nope. Kernels are what the OS is running on. Webos-internals just make it as simple to download as patches and apps |
| 19:17.58 | gollyzila|comp | infobot: help |
| 19:18.58 | egaudet_work | gollyzila|comp: I'm splitting up the patch and the theme/config stuff so it all installs much quicker. I also put all the themes from the wiki into packages to test quick/easy installation of the vkb themes |
| 19:19.25 | gollyzila|comp | oh okay.Yeah I noticed that. |
| 19:19.46 | Nettwerk | Ok, thank you |
| 19:20.07 | Nettwerk | You really help me. |
| 19:20.36 | gollyzila|comp | you're welcome |
| 19:21.39 | Nettwerk | One more thing. I like to play games on pre (Asphalt 5, NFSU etc) it will use 800Mhz or default CPU speed for games? |
| 19:22.31 | Nettwerk | Or every time I have to set up to default before playing? |
| 19:22.47 | gollyzila|comp | it will use 800Mhz when playing games aswell |
| 19:23.54 | Nettwerk | But better is set to default if I want to play games? (To 500-600Mhz)? |
| 19:24.53 | timothy1jones | Hiya |
| 19:26.30 | timothy1jones | I am in the search for SIP client for Palm Pre. Anyone know if there is such a thing yet? I googled some and only found one which is still work in progress |
| 19:28.02 | gollyzila|comp | Nettwerk: I dont really understand what you're asking but if you set the maximum frequency to 800MHz, your entire device will run much faster and smoother than at 600MHz |
| 19:29.09 | timothy1jones | and will heat up faster :) |
| 19:29.34 | Nettwerk | gollyzila|comp I mean can I use 800Mhz speed if I want play games? |
| 19:29.49 | gollyzila|comp | Yes |
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| 19:31.04 | Nettwerk | I scare to burn my pre |
| 19:31.18 | Nettwerk | Max temp is 45-50 |
| 19:31.58 | gollyzila|comp | Nettwerk: it's not going to burn. Mine is set to 500-800MHz and it has not exploded or combusted |
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| 19:33.31 | timothy1jones | I've been running mine for a while @ 800 and no problems (occasionally it gives off some smoke, but still works fine ;) |
| 19:33.52 | Nettwerk | :D |
| 19:34.03 | Nettwerk | thanks Installing now UK |
| 19:34.12 | en0x | i use 720Mhz |
| 19:35.34 | gollyzila|comp | is there a command to remotely start an app from the command line? |
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| 19:36.03 | gollyzila|comp | maybe something like " run com.palm.betaapp.en"? |
| 19:36.14 | Nettwerk | gollyzila|comp Yes PuTTY? |
| 19:36.31 | gollyzila|comp | Nettwerk: yeah, that's what im using |
| 19:36.44 | en0x | use palm-run from sdk |
| 19:36.56 | en0x | but u need ur phone connected to pc |
| 19:36.59 | en0x | and be in dev mode |
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| 19:39.29 | gollyzila|comp | palm-run NAMEOFAPP? |
| 19:40.54 | Nettwerk | I'm not shure but you need something like that: ./aooname.app |
| 19:41.03 | Nettwerk | I'm not shure but you need something like that: ./appname.app |
| 19:41.34 | Nettwerk | or palm-run ./appname.app |
| 19:41.47 | Kyusaku | I thought it was palm-launch |
| 19:42.04 | gollyzila|comp | Kyusaku: yeah i just found the palm-launch.bat on my comp |
| 19:42.16 | Kyusaku | http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1552 |
| 19:42.37 | gollyzila|comp | thanks Kyusaku |
| 19:43.03 | mumbles | just bought another battery for my pre |
| 19:43.22 | Kyusaku | I need a standalone battery charger |
| 19:43.47 | gollyzila|comp | Kyusaku: and i would use that on my Computer's command line. CMD? |
| 19:45.15 | Kyusaku | if you have SDK stuff installed |
| 19:46.58 | gollyzila|comp | i do have it installed |
| 19:47.28 | Kyusaku | then go for it |
| 19:47.34 | egaudet_work | palm-run? |
| 19:47.38 | Nettwerk | Wow amazing speed. works great 800Mhz. |
| 19:47.42 | egaudet_work | palm-launch |
| 19:47.50 | Nettwerk | Big thanks to all |
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| 19:52.56 | Nettwerk | One more question how to enable dashboard in Govnah? |
| 19:53.15 | gollyzila|comp | Nettwerk: It's not implemented yet |
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| 19:54.32 | Nettwerk | ok. |
| 19:54.46 | gollyzila|comp | I'm getting this when trying to use palm-launch |
| 19:55.07 | gollyzila|comp | C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin>palm-launch com.gameloft.app.bia2 |
| 19:55.09 | gollyzila|comp | 'java' is not recognized as an internal or external command, |
| 19:55.10 | gollyzila|comp | operable program or batch file. |
| 19:55.33 | halfhalo_class | java is not in your path |
| 19:55.59 | Nettwerk | what is max temp? |
| 19:56.12 | gollyzila|comp | i need java in my path? |
| 19:56.32 | halfhalo_class | yeah |
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| 19:57.27 | gollyzila|comp | halfhalo_class: How do i put java in the path? What command do i use? |
| 19:57.49 | halfhalo_class | that is a damn good question |
| 19:59.28 | gollyzila|comp | Nettwerk: On the back of the battery it says not to let the battery reach 60C, so im assuming the CPU should get that hot too |
| 20:00.05 | gollyzila|comp | halfhalo_class: What are your ideas on what i should do? |
| 20:00.16 | sk4jc | right click on "my computer" go to properties > advanced > environment variables > System Variables |
| 20:00.33 | sk4jc | find path, and append the path to java after the last ; |
| 20:00.56 | Nettwerk | Govnah warn me if temp is more than 45-50C? |
| 20:02.21 | gollyzila|comp | sk4jc: find Path in the Variable column? |
| 20:02.42 | gollyzila|comp | Nettwerk: There is a patch that warns you. I'm not sure if it is implemented into UberKernel |
| 20:02.47 | sk4jc | yes, then click edit |
| 20:03.09 | Nettwerk | Thanks |
| 20:03.16 | sk4jc | hit your "end" key, and append your path. but make sure there is a ; at the end |
| 20:03.46 | sk4jc | im sure there is a cli command but I dont know it |
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| 20:05.24 | gollyzila|comp | how do i append the path? Do i also need to change it to C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin ? |
| 20:06.27 | sk4jc | when you installed the sdk, it should have appended the bin directory for you |
| 20:06.54 | Tman | http://pastebin.com/nUgsPxDv what the heck? |
| 20:09.17 | gollyzila|comp | appended the bin directory to what? I know what append means, but I'm not sure what it means how you are using the word |
| 20:09.54 | sk4jc | so there is a list that is " ; " delimited |
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| 20:10.11 | sk4jc | it contains the locations to executables |
| 20:10.51 | sk4jc | when you append to the path variable you are adding another location to the "execute from anywhere" locations |
| 20:11.37 | gollyzila|comp | like adding essay.docx to the path? |
| 20:12.03 | sk4jc | docx is a file type |
| 20:12.08 | sk4jc | so that wouldnt help |
| 20:12.19 | gollyzila|comp | then program.exe |
| 20:12.33 | gollyzila|comp | or in my case palm-launch.bat |
| 20:12.38 | Tman | (found the fix... /bin/sh has to point to bash) |
| 20:12.41 | sk4jc | yes, so you could call that from any location |
| 20:12.48 | gollyzila|comp | okay |
| 20:13.02 | sk4jc | but you want to only include the directory |
| 20:13.11 | sk4jc | not the actual batch file |
| 20:13.15 | gollyzila|comp | okay |
| 20:13.45 | sk4jc | so for your java example, you add the location to java so another script can reference it where ever it happens to be called |
| 20:15.01 | gollyzila|comp | so i have to find the location of java? |
| 20:15.06 | sk4jc | yes |
| 20:15.21 | djk | is something up with preware? I have selected a few apps to install and it just brings up the precentral site instead of install |
| 20:15.22 | sk4jc | it should have done it for you but I guess it didnt |
| 20:16.39 | gollyzila|comp | sk4jc: nope. The Path Variable value is a path to a video editing program. So I'm guessing it didnt either |
| 20:18.21 | sk4jc | so not to confuse you but there are two path variables. One is user based and the other is system based |
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| 20:25.10 | gollyzila|comp | yeah i see that |
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| 20:26.42 | Jonny-TX | hi |
| 20:26.56 | Mousey | gh |
| 20:27.00 | gollyzila|comp | for the user variable path, it points to ommonProgramFiles%\Microsoft Shared\Windows Live;C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin;C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin\novacom |
| 20:27.15 | Jonny-TX | I hope somebody can help me |
| 20:27.45 | domicius | djk: same here and I was wondering the same... |
| 20:27.54 | Jonny-TX | I've created a service and I want to package it into an IPK. Is it possible? |
| 20:28.23 | sk4jc | gollyzila|comp: just add c:\program files\[whatever java]; to the end of it |
| 20:28.46 | gollyzila|comp | into user variable or system variable? |
| 20:29.01 | sk4jc | user, but it doesn't matter |
| 20:30.08 | Jonny-TX | Can I integrate the service files directly into my app? |
| 20:30.12 | gollyzila|comp | so i append ;C:\Program Files (x86)\Java to the path? or do i have to go deeper? |
| 20:31.25 | bhuey | hey, good article on the new kernels |
| 20:31.42 | bhuey | where's a link for the compressed cache kernels ? |
| 20:31.52 | bhuey | and how stable is it ? |
| 20:32.02 | Jonny-TX | can nobody help me? |
| 20:32.17 | sk4jc | you have to link to the executable so mine is this: C:\Program Files\Java\jre6\bin |
| 20:33.27 | gollyzila|comp | mine was that aswel |
| 20:33.31 | gollyzila|comp | okay i added |
| 20:33.33 | gollyzila|comp | it |
| 20:33.33 | Tman | Jonny-TX: I can't answer your question but try the wiki |
| 20:34.07 | Tman | Jonny-TX: otherwise, there are people here that mess with services stuff, you just might have to wait for them to show up |
| 20:34.27 | Jonny-TX | @Tman: I didn't find anything about that in the wiki |
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| 20:34.45 | gollyzila|comp | sk4jc: tried the command again in CMD but i get the same error |
| 20:34.49 | egaudet_work | Jonny-TX: what kind of service |
| 20:35.04 | halfhalo_class | gollyzila|comp: did you start a new cmd prompt? |
| 20:35.08 | sk4jc | ok, so that means the java reference is not the problem |
| 20:35.24 | gollyzila|comp | halfhalo_class: nope |
| 20:35.36 | Jonny-TX | the service start a sh-script |
| 20:35.45 | mjkjr | I want to test VKB "TESTING version", any big changes? |
| 20:36.05 | Jonny-TX | It's a java service |
| 20:36.19 | egaudet_work | mjkjr: no, just separating patch from theme/config files to speed up installation |
| 20:36.55 | mjkjr | egaudet: thank you, I thought that was already done last time |
| 20:37.43 | egaudet_work | mjkjr: yeah but then I went MIA for a while and forgot where I had left off, it was never released officially |
| 20:37.50 | egaudet_work | I also packaged up the themes from the wiki into test feed |
| 20:38.07 | gollyzila|comp | No java error, but it says no devices found when i use this command palm-launch -d usb com.gameloft.app.bia2 |
| 20:38.40 | egaudet_work | Jonny-TX: ipkg-utils |
| 20:39.05 | egaudet_work | if you are looking to host the service and get it autobuilding into a preware feed, you'd have to talk to rwhitby when he wakes up |
| 20:39.53 | mjkjr | ah thank you egaudet. will test then. |
| 20:40.06 | Jonny-TX | The service is optimized for my app. It doesn't work with other apps. So I only want to use it in my app. |
| 20:42.29 | gollyzila|comp | tried another usb port and the command went through! But the card didn't show up,why? |
| 20:43.32 | Tman | gollyzila|comp: no messages? |
| 20:44.08 | gollyzila|comp | C:\Program Files (x86)\Palm\SDK\bin>palm-launch -d usb com.gameloft.app.bia2 launching application com.gameloft.app.bia2 on device "castle-linux" {24fe9974e4 4dcba57512912c3989ec10cb7f2c74} usb 50695 |
| 20:44.48 | Tman | gollyzila|comp: hmm if it's a PDK app you might need to use pdk-launch |
| 20:45.05 | gollyzila|comp | oh duh! |
| 20:45.19 | gollyzila|comp | but i'd need to install the PDK, right? |
| 20:45.59 | Tman | on your computer, yes.. I don't know if you'd have to install it on your phone just to launch something that already launches |
| 20:46.11 | Tman | s/launches/works |
| 20:47.29 | gollyzila|comp | well the game doesnt launch. maybe a reboot will do it good |
| 20:47.51 | Tman | not even from the phone? |
| 20:47.59 | Tman | yeah reboot might help :p |
| 20:49.01 | Jonny-TX | thanks for the help! GN8 from good old Germany :P |
| 20:49.14 | gollyzila|comp | how do you launch it through the command line on the phone? |
| 20:50.23 | Tman | gollyzila|comp: the app isn't in the launcher? |
| 20:50.25 | egaudet_work | luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch '{"id":"com.blah.blah"}' or something |
| 20:51.09 | gollyzila|comp | luna-send -n 1 palm://com.palm.applicationManager/launch '{"id":"com.gameloft.app.bia2"}' |
| 20:51.12 | gollyzila|comp | woops |
| 20:51.31 | gollyzila|comp | that was meant for putty |
| 20:51.38 | bhuey | is the compcache stuff in the uberkernel yet ? |
| 20:51.52 | bhuey | this Jva GC mod looks intersting as well |
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| 20:57.39 | gollyzila|comp | yeah, i just needed a reboot. thanks everyone that helped! |
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| 21:22.34 | No1everdoes | Hello? |
| 21:23.03 | HattCzech_work | hello |
| 21:23.10 | No1everdoes | Ok I'm on palm pre |
| 21:23.37 | No1everdoes | Soon to buy the sprint evo but before I do I want to ask this: |
| 21:24.09 | No1everdoes | Is there an app for palm pre like 3CX? |
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| 21:24.50 | Tman | We don't know what that is. |
| 21:24.54 | No1everdoes | Like there is 3CX for android |
| 21:25.19 | No1everdoes | 3CX is a SIP phone client |
| 21:26.09 | No1everdoes | In other words voip? I read a few topics on precentral nothing I can see is solid |
| 21:26.27 | Tman | idk, you should ask in #webos |
| 21:26.35 | No1everdoes | Except 1 guy posted a screenshot of his work back in May but nothing released yet |
| 21:26.58 | Tman | but.. it probably isn't possible, since there is no sanctioned way to access the mic yet |
| 21:27.09 | Tman | possible through the app catalog, that is |
| 21:27.22 | Tman | though it will be soon |
| 21:28.07 | bhuey | anybody here running the uberkernel with compcache ? how is it ? |
| 21:28.31 | No1everdoes | So what channel am I on? |
| 21:28.35 | Tman | bhuey: lots of people are.. and the consensus seems to be that it's good :) |
| 21:28.44 | No1everdoes | I thought this was webos-internals |
| 21:29.19 | No1everdoes | Bhuey: I'm using it right now |
| 21:29.25 | No1everdoes | You shud try it. |
| 21:29.33 | Tman | No1everdoes: search for voip in preware then |
| 21:29.50 | bhuey | No1everdoes: via Preware or another package ? |
| 21:30.11 | bhuey | Tman: how do you get it ? preware ? |
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| 21:30.29 | bhuey | I saw some kernel packages but I'm unsure if they have these changes |
| 21:30.54 | Tman | bhuey: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware |
| 21:31.13 | Tman | bhuey: Though I think the compcache kernel may still be in testing |
| 21:31.37 | No1everdoes | I did it via preware |
| 21:31.48 | bhuey | so it's in the preware repos then ? |
| 21:32.09 | bhuey | gonna try this |
| 21:32.24 | Tman | bhuey: if it's in testing, you'll have to add the kernel testing repo. But you should know what you're getting into before you do that. |
| 21:32.27 | bhuey | what about the JVM hacks that I've seen ? are they worth getting around the TMC problem ? |
| 21:32.32 | No1everdoes | Yes but be forewarned it takes a while so |
| 21:32.49 | bhuey | how to you add that repo to preware ? |
| 21:33.06 | No1everdoes | You will need a cup of tea and something to read while you wait for it to update with the uber kernel |
| 21:33.50 | No1everdoes | It's already there just look up in the linux category I think |
| 21:34.00 | No1everdoes | Or try search all apps |
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| 21:36.20 | bhuey | No1everdoes: ok |
| 21:37.11 | bhuey | No1everdoes: which kernel ? uberkernel ? |
| 21:38.04 | bhuey | Tman: I'm a linux kernel dev, shouldn't be a problem :) |
| 21:38.19 | bhuey | I just want to know which repo it's in and how to install it |
| 21:38.31 | No1everdoes | Hold |
| 21:38.32 | bhuey | so far I only see one package of interest but I don't know what's in it |
| 21:38.42 | No1everdoes | I'm loading up preware right now, |
| 21:38.46 | bhuey | ok |
| 21:39.22 | No1everdoes | It's in webos kernals |
| 21:39.31 | bhuey | which one ? |
| 21:39.40 | Tman | bhuey: webos-kernels-testing, ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/1.4.1.1 (assuming you're on 1.4.1.1) |
| 21:39.42 | bhuey | I have the kernel feed but I don't know if that's the right one or not |
| 21:40.02 | No1everdoes | That's the one |
| 21:40.08 | Tman | bhuey: the one with compcache is 1.4.1-37 or later |
| 21:40.32 | HattCzech_work | i keep hearing about compcache... what is it? |
| 21:40.50 | Tman | http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ |
| 21:41.05 | No1everdoes | I'm using 1.4.1-21 |
| 21:41.25 | bhuey | ooh nice didn't know that google did stuff like that |
| 21:41.26 | No1everdoes | I don't know about 1.4.1-6 I didn't see that one before |
| 21:41.36 | HattCzech_work | oh, cool |
| 21:41.46 | Tman | bhuey: this one has been stable for me, but you should always keep a backup of your data anytime you're using a testing kernel |
| 21:42.03 | Tman | bhuey: it's google projects, they just host open source projects that other people do |
| 21:42.09 | Tman | er google code* |
| 21:43.41 | bhuey | Tman: thanks loading now |
| 21:44.21 | No1everdoes | I'm stupid the 1.4.1-6 is the official webos kernel |
| 21:44.23 | bhuey | Tman: do i need to configure my swap or is it just automatic ? |
| 21:44.32 | Tman | it's automatic |
| 21:44.36 | No1everdoes | The 1.4.1-21 is the homebrew kernal |
| 21:45.50 | No1everdoes | Tman: english please what does the compcache do for webos? |
| 21:46.45 | uNiXpSyChO | oh no, not again.... |
| 21:48.14 | Tman | No1everdoes: it basically compresses memory stored in RAM to effectively extend the RAM available. Unless you're a hardcore dev, you definitely shouldn't use the kernel until it's out of testing |
| 21:48.20 | bhuey | Tman: which kernel ? Warhog ? this week ? |
| 21:48.41 | bhuey | Tman: yeah, that's a great patch |
| 21:48.44 | Tman | bhuey: nope UberKernel, stay away from warthog |
| 21:48.49 | Tman | (for now) |
| 21:48.58 | bhuey | I see two entries |
| 21:49.11 | bhuey | both with identical names |
| 21:49.36 | Tman | bhuey: check the versions, the one I have is -37 |
| 21:49.48 | bhuey | 1.4.1-46 |
| 21:49.56 | bhuey | both of them |
| 21:50.17 | bhuey | Tman: your rev doesn't exist in my feed |
| 21:50.26 | bhuey | I have newer or older kernels |
| 21:50.32 | Tman | okay, I haven't checked recently. maybe the testing version and the stable version are the same now? |
| 21:50.43 | bhuey | so install -46 ? |
| 21:51.09 | No1everdoes | Cool but it's google |
| 21:51.19 | Tman | bhuey: You seem to know what you're doing so go for it :p |
| 21:51.58 | bhuey | to get decent compression, they need to be able to scan large blocks of data |
| 21:52.02 | bhuey | or larger blocks of data |
| 21:52.08 | bhuey | like about 64k or somethign like that |
| 21:52.31 | bhuey | otherwise compression algorithms don't work that well |
| 21:53.29 | bhuey | it's shit that Palm hasn't released a new device with new hardware on Sprint but this is the second best thing to that |
| 21:53.36 | Tman | hmm, you should talk to whoever was working on compcache. I think uNiXpSyChO |
| 21:53.52 | bhuey | also, I've noticed cleawrly that the more messenger message I have sitting around the slower the device gets |
| 21:54.02 | bhuey | I deleted a bnch of them and it sped things up a lot |
| 21:54.16 | bhuey | I'm sure it's a cache db issue of some sort |
| 21:54.59 | bhuey | having a better storage strategy for these messages would be a better solution than wht they have now |
| 21:55.11 | bhuey | I'm presumming that they store it in a db |
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| 21:55.46 | Tman | yeah they use a relational database for it. don't remember which |
| 21:55.58 | bhuey | sql of some sort |
| 21:56.08 | bhuey | file systems problems like this are difficult because of stuff like deletion |
| 21:56.22 | jlund | What is the difference between Terminal and Terminus? I just want something simple that will allow me to SSH into remote servers and troubleshoot if I am away from my desktop/laptop. |
| 21:57.49 | Mousey | Terminus doesn't have a | key |
| 21:57.51 | Mousey | that's the difference |
| 21:58.00 | Mousey | also, Terminus WAY EASIER to read at small font sizes |
| 21:58.14 | Mousey | i'm yet to get Terminal to get my screen margins correctly once |
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| 21:58.43 | Mousey | also Terminus doesn't use the number keys as arrow keys |
| 21:58.51 | Mousey | which is highly useful for upscrolling |
| 21:59.00 | jlund | I just don't understand why both exist if they do the same thing. How do you make a "|" in Terminus? |
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| 21:59.23 | Mousey | jlund: if you ever find that one out, i'd like to know |
| 21:59.49 | Mousey | why terminus can't have Terminal's input scheme is beyond me, it'd be the perfect terminal for pre |
| 22:00.05 | jlund | Mousey: Sounds like Terminal is the way to go if you need arrow keys and pipes (which for any serious remote work, you do). Thanks! |
| 22:00.12 | Mousey | readable, margin-respecting, input-easy perfection |
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| 22:00.29 | Mousey | jlund: thats the hard-to-read conclusion, yes |
| 22:01.38 | PalmPre2HtcEvo | Hello |
| 22:01.54 | jlund | Hello, incendiary username! |
| 22:02.09 | PalmPre2HtcEvo | Where is Dkirker? |
| 22:03.42 | PalmPre2HtcEvo | Jlund: why incendiary I'm not a criminal |
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| 22:05.27 | PalmPre2HtcEvo | Jlund: thanks for the notice can you find me DKirker? |
| 22:06.57 | jlund | He appears to be in #webos |
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| 22:30.22 | bhuey | Tman: what's required for getting that kernel to not be overclocked ? installed the correct package without the boost ? |
| 22:30.40 | bhuey | or is there a package that allows me to set the clock speed to normal ? |
| 22:33.03 | Tman | bhuey: yes you need to install Govnah from Preware also |
| 22:33.16 | Tman | sorry to leave that out |
| 22:33.27 | bhuey | will that cock it down ? |
| 22:33.33 | bhuey | bah clock it down |
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| 22:33.53 | Tman | or up. I don't believe it's overclocked to start actually, you need to use govnah first |
| 22:35.58 | bhuey | yeah, the device is hot already which is why I asked |
| 22:36.03 | bhuey | er, warm |
| 22:36.07 | bhuey | which is atypical |
| 22:36.13 | mjkjr | egaudet: http://wimg.mp/ROZ.png http://wimg.mp/PCQ.png remove and install again? |
| 22:37.04 | egaudet | what version is that? |
| 22:38.34 | mjkjr | 1.4.1-2 |
| 22:42.30 | mjkjr | I installed a 'theme' package and restarted the device as well. Still couldnt figure out how to change it. |
| 22:44.00 | egaudet | try removing the vkb-default-themes-config and reinstalling |
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| 22:57.16 | mjkjr | egaudet: removed vkb-default-themes-config and patch, now it's not in available or installed packages in preware |
| 22:58.04 | egaudet | update feeds |
| 22:58.18 | mjkjr | yes |
| 22:59.18 | egaudet | list of everything |
| 22:59.54 | egaudet | default themes and config should be in Miscellanous |
| 23:01.35 | mjkjr | ha, why is it in list of everything but not in the 'Available Patches' section? |
| 23:01.57 | egaudet | the default themes / config is not Type: Patch |
| 23:02.56 | mjkjr | I know, I mean the vkb patch itself |
| 23:04.05 | egaudet | oh yeah I didn't put a Type for it |
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| 23:07.19 | PuffTheMagic | the pre keyboard really needs one more key |
| 23:07.27 | PuffTheMagic | sym can be ctrl |
| 23:07.32 | PuffTheMagic | s/can/cant/ |
| 23:18.47 | Tman | anyone here know anything about aclocal? |
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| 23:22.32 | vapermonkey | hello all |
| 23:23.36 | vapermonkey | anyone on that wants to help a noob to this pre problem i am having with novacom |
| 23:25.10 | Tman | vapermonkey: describe your problem, and if anyone can help you they will |
| 23:25.23 | oc80z | need webos update. |
| 23:25.57 | oc80z | infobot seen zinge |
| 23:25.57 | infobot | zinge <~81abe94d@gateway/web/freenode/x-bynqrfggtxfpcczu> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 55d 3h 24m 50s ago, saying: 'dogs!'. |
| 23:26.05 | oc80z | :( |
| 23:26.08 | vapermonkey | i install the webosQuickInstall it seemed to work right but the novacom isnt running |
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| 23:27.07 | Tman | vapermonkey: work right as in it installed things? because that would indicate that novacom is/was running |
| 23:27.43 | oc80z | anyone working with govnah now? |
| 23:27.53 | vapermonkey | can i just start over with the install of web OS |
| 23:28.25 | oc80z | whats going on vapermonkey? |
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| 23:28.52 | vapermonkey | the novacom isnt running |
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| 23:29.39 | vapermonkey | when i open web os none of the buttons work |
| 23:30.22 | oc80z | what? |
| 23:30.39 | oc80z | did you drop your phone in a beer or somthing? |
| 23:30.51 | vapermonkey | i just got it yesterday |
| 23:31.07 | Tman | oc80z: He's talking about webos quick install, not webos |
| 23:31.29 | vapermonkey | ya |
| 23:31.33 | vapermonkey | thanks tman |
| 23:31.50 | Tman | are you on windows? did novacom install correctly? |
| 23:32.42 | vapermonkey | yes 7 i dont think it did but i dont know i started it then fell asleep |
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| 23:33.05 | Tman | hmm.. well try reinstalling it then? |
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| 23:33.53 | vapermonkey | how do u reinstall when i click on the jar file it just opens the app that dosnt work |
| 23:34.37 | Tman | I'm talking about novacom, not webos quick install |
| 23:35.09 | vapermonkey | how do i reinstall novacom |
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| 23:35.31 | Tman | vapermonkey: for starters, are you sure you ever installed novacom in the first place? |
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| 23:36.11 | vapermonkey | what i thaught i read was that the webos will install the novacom |
| 23:37.11 | Tman | right.. well it should have downloaded it and installed it.. |
| 23:37.28 | vapermonkey | that is what i thaught |
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| 23:37.49 | Tman | if novacom isn't installed I think it comes up with a dialog asking if you want to install it |
| 23:38.34 | Tman | vapermonkey: whenever I used windows (and it was awhile back,) it seemed like restarting the computer sometimes helped when novacom wasn't working |
| 23:38.35 | vapermonkey | nothing comes up when i open webos qi |
| 23:38.50 | Tman | I would try that first |
| 23:39.12 | vapermonkey | i have opend up services it isnt even in there |
| 23:40.15 | Tman | you have plugged your phone in right? I think the found new hardware balloon should at some point say "Palm Novacom Device" if novacom is installed |
| 23:40.56 | vapermonkey | is there a way to only install novacom |
| 23:42.49 | vapermonkey | ok i just went to my device man and it say it isnt installed i try to install canot find drivers |
| 23:43.00 | Tman | yes, looking for the link |
| 23:43.23 | vapermonkey | thanks tman |
| 23:45.03 | Tman | it might only be included in the SDK. download at http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&layout=page&id=1661&Itemid=55 |
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| 23:47.18 | vapermonkey | will i need virtualbox |
| 23:49.34 | Tman | vapermonkey: nope |
