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| 00:13.20 | jhojho | okay, scrolling seems smoother using anticipatory or noop vs cfq |
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| 00:22.02 | egaudet | rwhitby, preware always reads from cache/ dir? |
| 00:25.49 | rwhitby | egaudet: yes |
| 00:26.19 | rwhitby | egaudet: apart from when the feeds are being updated, the lists directory should be empty, so that it does not interfere with app catalog operaton |
| 00:26.32 | egaudet | sethron is reporting that Preware keeps showing him 1.4.1-2 VKB even after rebooting, updating feeds |
| 00:26.51 | egaudet | 1.4.1-2 hasn't been in any feed for a week |
| 00:26.59 | rwhitby | saved packages list maybe? |
| 00:27.05 | egaudet | is it safe to wipe out the cache dir, assuming it will be rebuilt? |
| 00:27.10 | rwhitby | yes |
| 00:28.00 | egaudet | saved packages list needs to be updated then to clean that part out? |
| 00:31.37 | sethron | egaudet: removed items from saved package list in Preware after rm cache |
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| 00:33.06 | egaudet | please tell me 1.4.1-2 doesn't show up |
| 00:35.59 | sethron | egaudet: 1.4.1-2 doesn't show up |
| 00:36.27 | egaudet | cool |
| 00:36.32 | egaudet | so it must have been saved packages list |
| 00:36.42 | sethron | egaudet: namaste! |
| 00:36.43 | egaudet | which I completely wasn't thinking about |
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| 00:53.39 | cryptk | egaudet reminds me of a problem I was having with linking libraries at work the other day... |
| 00:53.59 | cryptk | spent the whole day chasing one problem and the cause was completely somewhere else |
| 00:54.09 | cryptk | brb |
| 00:54.40 | sethron | egaudet: thanks so much. sleep well |
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| 01:02.34 | egaudet | alright I think I'm pushing this vkb/theme split up to the feeds |
| 01:03.56 | egaudet | runs in fear |
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| 01:14.49 | aaron__ | is anyone using gmail on their webos device |
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| 01:15.15 | aaron__ | and have you noticed an occasional tendency for either gmail or the mail application in webos not to respect IMAP commands |
| 01:15.18 | aaron__ | especially purge |
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| 01:15.49 | aaron__ | i never thought i would actually use my mobileme email account on my pre, but i'm considering it if this keeps up |
| 01:17.35 | egaudet | rwhitby, in kernel.mk CODENAME is used for rootfs doctor extraction, any reason not to use --wildcards instead? |
| 01:17.35 | Mercury | !TheArchive-new Eileen Wilks, Maureen Child, Anne Marie Winston - Love - From His Point of View (epub).rar |
| 01:17.41 | Mercury | Er, mischan. |
| 01:18.01 | rwhitby | egaudet: dunno |
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| 01:29.09 | Robi_ | anyone found a way to reset the gps without a reboot? it's failing to get my fix |
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| 01:41.35 | Tman_mac | ohnoes, 'Big News from Palm' |
| 01:42.05 | bpadalino | nothing that big |
| 01:42.16 | tmzt | I think they got bought or something |
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| 01:44.06 | Tman_mac | darn, nothing I didn't know ;P |
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| 01:45.14 | Tman | I was hoping for a new phone announcement or something like that.. not that I expected that sort of thing right now |
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| 01:48.29 | BeeRad | Hola. |
| 01:49.07 | Tman | though with HP in the picture.. I wouldn't be surprised to see something announced in a couple months or less, if that (a new phone) is the first direction they want to take |
| 01:51.39 | en0x | nixon or whatever his nick is in forum |
| 01:51.53 | en0x | who got/is insider at palm |
| 01:51.59 | en0x | said that we will see something tomorrow |
| 01:52.06 | BeeRad | Tomorrow? |
| 01:52.09 | BeeRad | ehhh.... |
| 01:52.15 | en0x | ;] |
| 01:52.31 | BeeRad | doubts it. |
| 01:52.45 | BeeRad | 1.4.5 will be tomorrow maybe. lol |
| 01:52.53 | en0x | i dont care about ur opinion |
| 01:53.19 | BeeRad | Fair enough. I don't care about your opinion about my opinions. |
| 01:53.50 | Tman | BeeRad: well played. :) |
| 01:54.08 | en0x | coz in my eyes u are like a little "whining bitch" in podcasts or here |
| 01:54.26 | BeeRad | Yeah, well I like chicken. |
| 01:55.54 | Tman | doesn't see the need for all the animosity.. it's just IRC guys |
| 01:56.25 | BeeRad | Tman: I just said I didn't think anything was getting released tomorrow. He jumped my case. |
| 01:57.12 | en0x | yap just what i said |
| 01:57.13 | tmzt | Tman: the transaction just closed |
| 01:57.41 | tmzt | we know the management structure, supposedly some hint as to the focus as far as smartphones might be |
| 02:00.01 | Tman | tmzt: gotcha. did you read about this hint somewhere? |
| 02:00.55 | tmzt | I don't think it's right, that was probably gigaom though |
| 02:01.51 | aaron__ | i have a suspicion that verizon is going to do what it's always done with updates |
| 02:01.56 | aaron__ | stagger them over three days |
| 02:02.20 | en0x | but the weird thing is that sprint had the updates first |
| 02:02.23 | aaron__ | the price i pay for solid network performance |
| 02:02.27 | en0x | now it's not the case :S |
| 02:02.28 | aaron__ | en0x: naturally |
| 02:02.42 | aaron__ | sprint will still probably be the first US carrier to receive it |
| 02:02.53 | aaron__ | but O2 Germany has shown far more love to Palm that Sprint has |
| 02:03.04 | aaron__ | s/that/than |
| 02:03.25 | en0x | sprint is acting like they dont need anybody |
| 02:03.36 | en0x | except evo |
| 02:03.36 | en0x | :P |
| 02:04.03 | BeeRad | EVO update was a huge fail. Poor people. |
| 02:04.16 | en0x | well it was htc fail |
| 02:04.19 | en0x | not sprint |
| 02:04.24 | en0x | sprint dont make updates |
| 02:04.34 | BeeRad | Sprint should have checked it. |
| 02:04.51 | en0x | but it's not like it's bricking every evo |
| 02:05.06 | BeeRad | Enough to be an issue though, correct? |
| 02:05.13 | en0x | right |
| 02:05.24 | en0x | maybe sprint have only 3 guys testing new update? :> |
| 02:05.31 | BeeRad | lol |
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| 02:06.13 | en0x | s/update/updates |
| 02:06.16 | BeeRad | VZW check and check and checks and they still screw it up for me. If 1.4.5 doesnt properly fix the GPS...I will be pissed. And yes, THAT is whining. ;) |
| 02:06.33 | en0x | i remember |
| 02:06.39 | en0x | ihad verizon for 10 minutes |
| 02:06.52 | en0x | i switched to them for 10 minutes from att |
| 02:06.52 | en0x | ;] |
| 02:07.20 | BeeRad | Verizon is clearly the best network here. So much 3G saturation its ridiculous. |
| 02:07.29 | BeeRad | ATT...nothing. Sprint....nothing. |
| 02:07.48 | en0x | u must be living in shithole |
| 02:07.48 | en0x | :D |
| 02:08.04 | BeeRad | Close. |
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| 02:08.15 | jhowirc | I did some testing with att and sprint earlier today |
| 02:08.17 | Tman | lmao |
| 02:08.32 | jhowirc | sprint >> att |
| 02:08.34 | BeeRad | en0x must think that big cities are the only ones that count. Typical ATT customer. |
| 02:08.35 | en0x | i have full bars everywhere |
| 02:08.46 | en0x | except my basement |
| 02:08.47 | jhowirc | both had full bars |
| 02:08.51 | en0x | i have to roam on verizon |
| 02:09.07 | jhowirc | sprint 600+ kbits/s |
| 02:09.13 | en0x | coz i work in basement and i sit there for 8 hrs |
| 02:09.23 | jhowirc | att like 280 kbits/s |
| 02:09.32 | en0x | att sucks |
| 02:09.37 | BeeRad | Some of us don't live in major metropolitan areas and at least ONE company *coughVerizoncough* cares about that. |
| 02:09.39 | en0x | ex |
| 02:09.40 | zsoc | att in this area is horrid |
| 02:09.43 | jhowirc | but just my data point |
| 02:09.57 | en0x | i have full bars... i walk to stop&shop and i have zero bars |
| 02:09.58 | en0x | on att |
| 02:10.04 | zsoc | BeeRad: you know they don't actually /care/ right? It's called market share ;) |
| 02:10.18 | en0x | zsoc: yap there is map for that! |
| 02:10.48 | BeeRad | They can have my money because they provide service here. Simple concept. |
| 02:11.03 | en0x | get a satellite phone |
| 02:11.03 | en0x | :D |
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| 02:12.42 | BeeRad | Nah, I have 5 full bars of service just about everywhere I go. Thanks though ;) |
| 02:13.23 | en0x | all of my buddies are switching to sprint |
| 02:13.23 | en0x | because the service is the cheapest and good coverage |
| 02:13.39 | BeeRad | For them. Nice. |
| 02:14.19 | Tman | sprint is good value, verizon is probably best if you can afford it and aren't a college student like me ;p |
| 02:14.51 | zsoc | Tman: you. how is agar coming? it functions? |
| 02:14.53 | BeeRad | Verizon is cheap for me because I'm on a family plan and we all share the cost of the bill. |
| 02:14.54 | zsoc | or just builds? |
| 02:15.01 | zsoc | verizon is never cheap, even on a family plan |
| 02:15.06 | jhowirc | sprint has been fine for me |
| 02:15.39 | Tman | zsoc: I'm using it in my app right now. It works well. I'm looking at maybe porting its OpenGL driver to ES |
| 02:15.39 | BeeRad | I pay less for myself than Sprint people do on a single person account. Thats all that matters. |
| 02:15.55 | zsoc | fun |
| 02:15.59 | zsoc | ty |
| 02:16.16 | en0x | zsoc: where is the update :P |
| 02:16.32 | Tman | zsoc: The API is a bit of a learning curve. But it's quite nice once you get it |
| 02:16.34 | zsoc | en0x: i'm delaying it in hopes i'll have an excuse to kick you |
| 02:16.45 | zsoc | Tman: i shall look into it :D |
| 02:16.51 | en0x | zsoc: hahaha |
| 02:16.54 | Tman | sweet :) |
| 02:17.00 | Tman | lol |
| 02:19.35 | Tman | zsoc: hey will things I build on WIDK run on Pixi? or do I need different settings for that/ |
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| 02:19.37 | Tman | ?* |
| 02:20.02 | zsoc | Tman: you have the ability to compile for armv6 also, check out other build files that include both rules |
| 02:20.46 | Tman | zsoc: okay.. I'll take a look |
| 02:23.25 | zsoc | Tman: er.. i take that back. 686 and v6 might be disabled at the moment |
| 02:23.47 | Tman | nuts.. do you know why? |
| 02:24.01 | zsoc | Tman: in theory you could play with the top level makefile.. honestly i don't recall why exactly.. maybe rwhitby knows? |
| 02:24.24 | zsoc | yep, it's commented out |
| 02:24.38 | Tman | okay. I suppose I'll play with it and see what I get |
| 02:24.45 | zsoc | Tman: well, uncomment it, comment out the replacement line, rebuild your toolchain, and let me know why it doesn't work ;) |
| 02:24.45 | Tman | I'm assuming I' |
| 02:24.51 | Tman | lol |
| 02:25.00 | Tman | so I have to rebuild the toolchain too?? |
| 02:25.04 | zsoc | thinks |
| 02:25.11 | jhowirc | ? |
| 02:25.21 | zsoc | er, no just rootfs and stage |
| 02:25.28 | Tman | kk |
| 02:25.55 | zsoc|away | bbl |
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| 02:43.42 | cryptk|wirc | is it sad I jump on wirc while rebooting the desktop so I don't miss anything? |
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| 02:52.55 | beelzabub | so 1.4.5 is out? |
| 02:54.18 | BeeRad | In Germany (?) |
| 02:54.24 | beelzabub | ok |
| 02:54.29 | bpadalino | yeah, so far not stateside |
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| 02:55.12 | bpadalino | but doctors are available for o2 and whatnot |
| 02:55.20 | bpadalino | how goes it beelzabub? |
| 02:55.37 | beelzabub | it's ok |
| 02:55.47 | beelzabub | we had a going away party for palm last night in redwood |
| 02:55.49 | BeeRad | My Pre is jacked up, so I wont be able to enjoy 1.4.5 if it hits now anyway. boohoo |
| 02:55.59 | beelzabub | i wouldn't worry about it |
| 02:56.03 | beelzabub | just grab cryptofs from it |
| 02:56.10 | BeeRad | Am I the only VZW Palm guy in here? |
| 02:56.10 | beelzabub | :D - has my perf improvement |
| 02:56.15 | beelzabub | should make the launcher slightly better |
| 02:56.53 | bpadalino | sounds nice, but going away party? meaning, last day as palm and now part of HP ? |
| 02:56.59 | beelzabub | yup |
| 02:57.10 | bpadalino | nice |
| 02:57.12 | bpadalino | sounds good |
| 02:57.50 | bpadalino | so what did you do with cryptofs to make it better ? |
| 02:58.24 | beelzabub | more intelligent use of memory |
| 02:58.37 | bpadalino | smarter is good |
| 02:58.51 | beelzabub | if you think about how cryptofs works & the block level cache it's obvious immediately how cryptofs is broken |
| 02:58.57 | BeeRad | Intelligence is overrated n stuff. |
| 02:59.40 | bpadalino | so first day as an HP employee, did it feel any different? |
| 02:59.43 | bpadalino | or just the same as before |
| 02:59.53 | beelzabub | well, we had a BBQ |
| 02:59.58 | beelzabub | food was better |
| 02:59.59 | beelzabub | no alcohol |
| 03:00.20 | en0x | hehe |
| 03:00.20 | oil | is that even a bbq? |
| 03:00.24 | BeeRad | Whoa, we have a Palm employee amongst us? |
| 03:00.30 | en0x | at palm u had worst food but there was alcohol |
| 03:00.30 | en0x | ;D |
| 03:00.36 | en0x | i mean at old palm |
| 03:00.44 | beelzabub | it balanced out - drink enough & everything tastes good |
| 03:00.52 | beelzabub | BeeRad - there's a bunch of us on here |
| 03:01.01 | beelzabub | i wonder how that will change with HP |
| 03:01.04 | oil | BeeRad: come in at like 12-1am pst |
| 03:01.05 | bpadalino | BeeRad: yeah, a bunch |
| 03:01.09 | beelzabub | i guess if we keep flying under the radar no one cares |
| 03:01.12 | jhowirc | welcome to BigCo. no booze at company functions. liability |
| 03:01.15 | BeeRad | What!? |
| 03:01.22 | BeeRad | Holy criminy. |
| 03:01.34 | beelzabub | oil - you mean 12-1pm, right? |
| 03:01.50 | oil | no, i mean the middle of the night |
| 03:01.54 | beelzabub | i'm trying to get away from staying at work that late |
| 03:01.55 | jhowirc | heh |
| 03:02.02 | bpadalino | probably a good call |
| 03:02.08 | en0x | heh |
| 03:02.18 | BeeRad | Ok so how MANY of you are Palm employees? |
| 03:02.19 | en0x | my recorded videos on pre are always out of sync |
| 03:02.19 | BeeRad | lol |
| 03:02.19 | en0x | :S |
| 03:02.30 | bpadalino | living to work is bad .. working to live seems like a better relationship |
| 03:02.40 | beelzabub | BeeRad: whois is your friend |
| 03:03.09 | BeeRad | beelzabub: obviously not en0x. :( |
| 03:03.47 | en0x | i would work for palm but i got no $$ for a ticket to cali |
| 03:03.48 | en0x | :p |
| 03:04.20 | bpadalino | now that they're part of HP .. maybe you have a better chance |
| 03:04.30 | en0x | yeah |
| 03:04.47 | en0x | job description: "your task will be to annoy everyone" |
| 03:04.47 | en0x | ;D |
| 03:07.14 | bpadalino | did palm give you alcohol at lunch time bbq's ? |
| 03:07.32 | beelzabub | honestly, i can't remember - probably not |
| 03:07.42 | beelzabub | at least not at lunch |
| 03:07.46 | beelzabub | probably at all hands |
| 03:07.57 | beelzabub | we'll see - i'm sure we'll have a few coming up within the next few weeks |
| 03:08.07 | bpadalino | would be amusing to get hard liquor at some of those things |
| 03:08.08 | beelzabub | *software all hands at the end of the day |
| 03:08.13 | BeeRad | Im late to the show...sorry for any future dumb questions. Does Palm actually watch A LOT of what Internals is doing? |
| 03:08.22 | beelzabub | managers are responsible for bringing that in |
| 03:08.35 | beelzabub | we're not the borg |
| 03:08.40 | beelzabub | Palm doesn't do anything |
| 03:08.48 | beelzabub | there are people at palm who do |
| 03:08.48 | BeeRad | Noooo no no |
| 03:08.53 | BeeRad | Not what I was asking.... |
| 03:08.54 | bpadalino | BeeRad: when we were first figuring out how to novaterm in, geist was here watching |
| 03:09.11 | beelzabub | yeah, i remember him telling me about that |
| 03:09.14 | BeeRad | I didnt mean it like "are you guys THE MAN"? |
| 03:09.15 | beelzabub | it was funny |
| 03:09.16 | BeeRad | lol |
| 03:10.18 | BeeRad | Palm is like "BeeRad......we know who you are.....and we know that you overclocked your Pre to 1GHz.....your warranty is void now". lol |
| 03:10.35 | oil | lol |
| 03:11.25 | ka6sox | morning..am I missing a party? |
| 03:11.35 | beelzabub | what warranty? |
| 03:11.46 | beelzabub | didn't you read precentral |
| 03:11.47 | beelzabub | ? |
| 03:11.58 | en0x | w00t w00t? |
| 03:12.01 | jhowirc | ka6sox: morning? |
| 03:12.03 | beelzabub | you have to carefully negotiate the deal to take over the right parts of the business |
| 03:12.22 | beelzabub | if I was HP, I would've made sure to explicitley exclude the warranties :P |
| 03:12.22 | en0x | my pre warranty expired :( |
| 03:12.54 | bpadalino | yeah, my pre warranty is over with .. still got a crack developing in the bottom left corner |
| 03:13.02 | beelzabub | sprint? |
| 03:13.04 | bpadalino | yeah |
| 03:13.20 | en0x | thanks god i got no cracks so far |
| 03:13.21 | jhowirc | I'm just sad that the battery door fell off |
| 03:13.27 | beelzabub | do you think it's interesting how we got rid of that button on all the other phones? |
| 03:13.29 | en0x | i'm on my replacement so far so good |
| 03:13.39 | jhowirc | and I always so careful with my stuff |
| 03:13.45 | beelzabub | i'm not |
| 03:13.45 | bpadalino | beelzabub: i am glad you did .. |
| 03:13.50 | jhowirc | so that was a huge bummer |
| 03:13.57 | beelzabub | i throw all my phones around all the time |
| 03:14.06 | beelzabub | "i do drop tests so you don't have to" |
| 03:14.11 | bpadalino | heh, nice |
| 03:14.13 | en0x | u got rid of that button because of the "crack" |
| 03:14.14 | en0x | ? |
| 03:14.21 | beelzabub | i'm not saying that |
| 03:14.24 | en0x | [; |
| 03:14.40 | beelzabub | palm products don't have any flaws that i know of |
| 03:14.41 | en0x | hehe i bet that pixi drawings had the button too |
| 03:14.42 | en0x | :D |
| 03:14.43 | beelzabub | :D |
| 03:14.45 | BeeRad | en0x: refurb? |
| 03:14.45 | bpadalino | hehe |
| 03:14.48 | en0x | BeeRad: yap |
| 03:14.49 | ka6sox | :D |
| 03:15.09 | BeeRad | en0x: better then the new one? |
| 03:15.10 | en0x | yeah we can say the same thing about iphone 4 |
| 03:15.11 | en0x | ;] |
| 03:15.16 | en0x | BeeRad: ofcourse man |
| 03:15.19 | beelzabub | i want an iphone 4 |
| 03:15.19 | en0x | no oreo |
| 03:15.21 | BeeRad | Good, you give me hope. |
| 03:15.22 | beelzabub | 2 things prevent it |
| 03:15.31 | beelzabub | wireless sync blows on it |
| 03:15.36 | beelzabub | notifications suck |
| 03:15.37 | en0x | BeeRad: but go straight with palm not with verizon |
| 03:15.37 | Tman | beelzabub: I like it without the button (in the pictures at least), though to nitpick I would make the bottom part below the screen narrower now |
| 03:15.45 | beelzabub | & AT&T contract is expensive |
| 03:15.52 | beelzabub | i currently don't have my own cell phone plan |
| 03:15.53 | en0x | BeeRad: i never got iphone because of the notifications |
| 03:15.56 | BeeRad | en0x: hope dashed again. LoL |
| 03:15.59 | en0x | beelzabub: ^ |
| 03:15.59 | bpadalino | beelzabub: ever think about getting one internationally/unlocked ? |
| 03:16.11 | beelzabub | iphone 4? |
| 03:16.16 | ka6sox | with iPHONE 4 Rubber bands included. |
| 03:16.21 | en0x | hehehe |
| 03:16.22 | beelzabub | how much are they |
| 03:16.28 | bpadalino | $700 i think ? |
| 03:16.43 | en0x | bpadalino: yap |
| 03:16.45 | bpadalino | if you wanted, you could buy and ETF from ATT |
| 03:16.48 | beelzabub | that would solve problem #3 |
| 03:16.50 | beelzabub | not the first 2 |
| 03:16.54 | bpadalino | agreed |
| 03:16.59 | beelzabub | oh, & multi-tasking |
| 03:17.09 | en0x | ":we got it right" |
| 03:17.13 | ka6sox | what? you want to do more than one thing? |
| 03:17.13 | beelzabub | but cydia already webos'ed the ipad |
| 03:17.17 | beelzabub | probably have the same thing for iphone |
| 03:17.22 | bpadalino | that new screen they have is pretty sexy, i admit |
| 03:17.27 | beelzabub | it's geourgeous |
| 03:17.30 | beelzabub | & the camera is amazing |
| 03:17.34 | beelzabub | & the flash on it is really nice |
| 03:17.36 | bpadalino | camera is very good |
| 03:17.36 | beelzabub | & it's fast |
| 03:17.44 | BeeRad | I wanna run a quick poll. |
| 03:17.46 | BeeRad | Game? |
| 03:17.55 | beelzabub | this is really the first iphone i actually wanted since i worked on the first one |
| 03:18.21 | en0x | beelzabub: i hope next palm device will be more amazing than iphone |
| 03:18.24 | BeeRad | Besides the Palm hardware....if you could choose any other phones hardware as is but throw webOS on it, which would you choose??? |
| 03:18.29 | beelzabub | i hope so too |
| 03:18.40 | beelzabub | tought to say |
| 03:18.45 | en0x | beelzabub: i bet u alreay know ;P |
| 03:18.47 | beelzabub | webos doesn't have APIs for some of the newer stuff |
| 03:18.54 | beelzabub | like the gyroscope & whatnot |
| 03:18.59 | beelzabub | & compass |
| 03:19.06 | beelzabub | so you'd have to factor in losing all of that |
| 03:19.35 | beelzabub | hell, even including palm hardware i'd probably pick any of the other phones |
| 03:19.43 | beelzabub | probably iphone 4 or nexus one |
| 03:19.45 | en0x | i still dont get why ppl need compass in their phones :S |
| 03:19.51 | beelzabub | it's really handy |
| 03:19.54 | beelzabub | when you're doing maps |
| 03:19.54 | oil | not to mention holding it kills the signal, lol |
| 03:19.55 | bpadalino | nexus one feels decent in the hand .. |
| 03:20.02 | beelzabub | (like in walking in the city) |
| 03:20.03 | bpadalino | but using it - i wasn't impressed .. |
| 03:20.13 | beelzabub | no - nexus one just has terrible software |
| 03:20.22 | beelzabub | although i think their touchpanel is actually not so great either |
| 03:20.26 | bpadalino | something about the screen wasn't right to me .. i was flipping through some photos, and i noticed pixels that were supposed to be black, flickering |
| 03:20.36 | beelzabub | sounds like a bad screen |
| 03:20.36 | bpadalino | oh terrible edge sensitivity |
| 03:20.45 | ka6sox | if I had to Blue Sky I'd want webos on a Tablet with an ARM Cortex A9 @ 1.2ghz,1GB RAM, 7" TS, SD + 16GB Builtin Flash. |
| 03:20.48 | beelzabub | ok - time to go home. i want to watch some futurama |
| 03:20.51 | bpadalino | night |
| 03:20.52 | tmzt | what software? |
| 03:21.09 | beelzabub | there's not really an ARM Cortex A9 |
| 03:21.12 | beelzabub | there's no such chip |
| 03:21.24 | tmzt | MPCore? |
| 03:21.33 | ka6sox | what are they calling the TI 46XX? |
| 03:21.35 | bpadalino | not publicly available yet |
| 03:21.42 | beelzabub | no, i mean that's the core |
| 03:21.55 | beelzabub | all the manufacturers have their own platforms based aroudn it |
| 03:21.57 | beelzabub | TI has theirs |
| 03:21.59 | beelzabub | qualcomm has theirs |
| 03:22.00 | beelzabub | etc |
| 03:22.12 | ka6sox | right so like a TI 46XX. |
| 03:22.16 | beelzabub | so it's not really accurate to talk about Cortex A9 |
| 03:22.19 | ka6sox | OMAP46XX |
| 03:22.35 | ka6sox | sorry, I keep thinking about mcpu |
| 03:22.36 | tmzt | sure it is |
| 03:22.52 | beelzabub | tmzt - all the vendors have very different platforms |
| 03:22.56 | tmzt | that's the core but that's really what determines what apps run |
| 03:23.03 | tmzt | sure, how is that relevant? |
| 03:23.15 | beelzabub | because they all have very different charateristics |
| 03:23.19 | tmzt | it's like saying an 8088 can be connected to an ISA bus or not |
| 03:23.23 | ka6sox | tmzt, there is a lot more than just the CPU core...my misteak |
| 03:23.26 | tmzt | it's still an 8088 |
| 03:23.29 | beelzabub | tmzt - no |
| 03:23.35 | beelzabub | this is the embedded space |
| 03:23.40 | beelzabub | these are all SoC's |
| 03:23.43 | beelzabub | *SoCs |
| 03:23.55 | tmzt | right, which is a cpu core attached to a bus and periphrials on a die |
| 03:23.58 | ka6sox | right, I'm sorry I meant a TI OMAP 46XX |
| 03:24.01 | beelzabub | so they come with a graphics card, IO controllers etc |
| 03:24.12 | beelzabub | OMAP 46xx is more than just ARM9 |
| 03:24.21 | beelzabub | that also specifies buses it supports |
| 03:24.41 | ka6sox | k |
| 03:24.42 | beelzabub | think about new CPUs |
| 03:24.43 | beelzabub | like AMD |
| 03:24.49 | beelzabub | they have an integrated memory controller |
| 03:24.54 | tmzt | but it will run applications that an armv5 won't, or a slower chip |
| 03:25.04 | tmzt | it's a characteristic of the overall device that's still relevant |
| 03:25.19 | beelzabub | arm is way more complicated than that |
| 03:25.28 | beelzabub | first of all, arm still hasn't gotten their act together |
| 03:25.35 | tmzt | in what way? |
| 03:25.42 | BeeRad | Any takers that Palm will be the first to push to the 1gig of RAM mark? |
| 03:25.49 | beelzabub | so you can easily compile something for A9 & not have it run on all processors |
| 03:26.02 | beelzabub | (mainly it's the floating point unit stuff) |
| 03:26.06 | bpadalino | i'd love to see palm be the first dual GPP and 1GB of RAM |
| 03:26.19 | tmzt | right, I just learned that cortex might be slower than arm11 in that sense |
| 03:26.31 | BeeRad | I think we need the RAM moreso than an overkill CPU...right? |
| 03:26.45 | BeeRad | 1GHz and 1gig of RAM sounds nice. |
| 03:26.46 | beelzabub | anyways, my point is that the performance between two A9 phones can be wildly different based on who the vendor for the CPU was |
| 03:27.01 | bpadalino | very true - and memory controller architecture |
| 03:27.03 | beelzabub | *speculation* my guess is that 1GB of RAM of is quite a ways out on any phone |
| 03:27.20 | BeeRad | speculation noted. |
| 03:27.30 | bpadalino | really? i'd figure the other way .. densities of RAM just keep going up |
| 03:27.34 | ka6sox | since you can get some information on the TI Part and almost NOTHING on a Qualcomm part I'd vote for the OMAP :D |
| 03:27.45 | beelzabub | the manufacturing process just isn't there I think (although I have absolutely no knowledge about any internal stuff related to that) |
| 03:28.09 | beelzabub | ka6sox : can't comment on that |
| 03:28.30 | BeeRad | Things fly at 1GHz and those CPUs are out there and abundant. I would rather see the RAM bump. We are the true multitasking community. |
| 03:28.37 | beelzabub | meh |
| 03:28.42 | beelzabub | RAM bump is unnecessary |
| 03:28.47 | beelzabub | 512 MB is more than enough |
| 03:28.48 | tmzt | ka6sox: the TI chips are quite open, they don't have baseband integrated like the msm though |
| 03:29.01 | BeeRad | beelzabub: Really? Ok. |
| 03:29.10 | tmzt | SGX is still closed as well, the ATI part might actually be more open on the msm though not quite enough |
| 03:29.10 | beelzabub | yup - even a pre plus |
| 03:29.23 | beelzabub | you notice that you never get out of cards messages |
| 03:29.37 | BeeRad | beelzabub: I have on a plus. |
| 03:29.39 | beelzabub | & I feel there's stuff on our end we can do to make more efficient use of ram |
| 03:29.48 | beelzabub | BeeRad: depends |
| 03:30.01 | en0x | i get shit load of tmc on my sprint pre:( |
| 03:30.06 | bpadalino | java sucking up 35MB+ is kind of a lot |
| 03:30.10 | beelzabub | you either actually opened too many cards (which is insane on a plus) or there was a memory leak somewhere |
| 03:30.16 | beelzabub | well, java is gone :D |
| 03:30.17 | tmzt | might that fix come soon? |
| 03:30.22 | tmzt | as of when? |
| 03:30.23 | bpadalino | on 1.4.5? ;) |
| 03:30.28 | en0x | tmzt: as of 1.5 |
| 03:30.29 | BeeRad | My Pre+ has seen seveal TMC's however.....Ive tried to load everything on the phone too. hahaha |
| 03:30.29 | en0x | ;P |
| 03:30.33 | beelzabub | obviously not 1.4.5 |
| 03:30.36 | beelzabub | that package was 9mb |
| 03:30.41 | beelzabub | can't comment on when |
| 03:30.52 | beelzabub | but we announced this a while back |
| 03:30.58 | beelzabub | it's coming in with all that db8 stuff |
| 03:31.00 | beelzabub | & other goodies |
| 03:31.00 | bpadalino | ah ok |
| 03:31.01 | tmzt | you from HP/Palm then? |
| 03:31.08 | bpadalino | so with the js services stuff |
| 03:31.09 | BeeRad | shhhhh |
| 03:31.12 | tmzt | only know geist and chrisa |
| 03:31.19 | bpadalino | tmzt: yeah he is |
| 03:31.29 | beelzabub | & cmd whenever he pops up |
| 03:31.31 | egaudet | "java is gone"... great day |
| 03:31.37 | egaudet | :P |
| 03:31.39 | en0x | what about UI and GPU? |
| 03:31.53 | en0x | css transition should be enough? |
| 03:31.55 | beelzabub | we have not announced anything |
| 03:32.12 | en0x | u said something about css transition or however u spell it |
| 03:32.23 | en0x | that will come with an update in fall |
| 03:32.28 | beelzabub | nope - wasn't me |
| 03:32.32 | beelzabub | haven't mentioned anything about css |
| 03:32.40 | beelzabub | especially since i don't do any of the web stuff |
| 03:32.41 | tmzt | http://siliconangle.com/blog/2010/07/01/hp-palm-analysis-hp-finalized-palm-acqusition-its-all-about-smartphones-and-edge-devices/ |
| 03:32.43 | beelzabub | i am currently working on sysmgr though |
| 03:32.47 | en0x | hmm devrel did |
| 03:33.15 | egaudet | just need to opensource luna that's all ;) |
| 03:33.21 | bpadalino | the node.js, db8, and other such things were net |
| 03:33.24 | bpadalino | s/net/neat/ |
| 03:33.43 | beelzabub | don't get me started on opensource stuff |
| 03:33.48 | uNiXpSyChO | is a fly on the wall |
| 03:33.50 | oil | lol |
| 03:33.54 | bpadalino | don't you need to go home and watch futurama ? |
| 03:33.59 | en0x | hehe |
| 03:34.02 | beelzabub | my opinion is that *everything* below sysmgr should be open source |
| 03:34.09 | BeeRad | uNiXpSyChO: hey buddy! |
| 03:34.10 | tmzt | what's sysmgr? |
| 03:34.11 | beelzabub | yes i do - well, i realized i have to go to the gym first anyways |
| 03:34.12 | bpadalino | agreed |
| 03:34.14 | beelzabub | lunasysmgr |
| 03:34.17 | beelzabub | the window manager |
| 03:34.28 | en0x | beelzabub: as it is now kinda... |
| 03:34.29 | en0x | ;] |
| 03:34.35 | bpadalino | sounds similar to an OSX thing .. window manager closed down, underlying OS opened up |
| 03:34.37 | beelzabub | not really |
| 03:34.46 | beelzabub | do we opensource any of the BSD components? |
| 03:34.57 | en0x | well BSD license is different |
| 03:34.58 | ka6sox | bbiab...headed into work, |
| 03:35.00 | en0x | take whatever u need |
| 03:35.00 | beelzabub | i think it's a mindset of "release the minimum amount required" & no more |
| 03:35.08 | beelzabub | i'm of the opinion that all that stuff should be |
| 03:35.14 | beelzabub | whether or not it's required by the license |
| 03:35.18 | BeeRad | +ka6sox: see ya |
| 03:35.23 | beelzabub | it serves us no benefit to have private forks of that stuff |
| 03:35.24 | bpadalino | supports beelzabub |
| 03:35.32 | oil | too |
| 03:35.43 | en0x | too too |
| 03:35.56 | oil | haha |
| 03:36.01 | tmzt | that's kind of the android approach, though I can't see why they went to the trouble of making everything apache2 when they release the source and so do the OEMs for most of the system components |
| 03:36.03 | beelzabub | i'm tired of pushing for it |
| 03:36.12 | beelzabub | tmzt - i imagine patents |
| 03:36.21 | tmzt | on a shell? |
| 03:36.26 | beelzabub | GPL is notorious for making companies afraid for their patent pools |
| 03:36.28 | tmzt | they replaced busybox :) |
| 03:36.38 | beelzabub | we should too - busybox is a pile of crap |
| 03:36.59 | tmzt | I wonder if the post hal stuff will go anywhere |
| 03:37.08 | beelzabub | hal? |
| 03:37.16 | tmzt | can't say what it's called now, it's changed too much |
| 03:37.21 | tmzt | freedesktop.org HAL |
| 03:37.30 | beelzabub | oh that - probably not |
| 03:37.30 | en0x | hal is obsoleted |
| 03:37.34 | tmzt | then devicekit, now systemkit or something that Lennart is working on |
| 03:37.53 | beelzabub | i hope the TI stuff will accomplish something |
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| 03:38.31 | tmzt | dreams of the day you can pull linus and drop it on your Pre or whatever |
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| 03:39.17 | bpadalino | geist was saying that TI has taken a more proactive approach to keeping their linux kernels up to date and more mainstream |
| 03:39.41 | bpadalino | lots of processors on the 440 jtag chain |
| 03:39.42 | tmzt | yeah |
| 03:39.52 | en0x | yey palm is coming to boston tomorrow... i hope i will get some free shit... |
| 03:40.18 | egaudet | Palm boston tomorrow? |
| 03:40.19 | tmzt | it's pretty cool that ubuntu is going to be running basically on tony's tree on omap4 |
| 03:40.22 | beelzabub | not just that - they have their whole industry push |
| 03:40.23 | BeeRad | en0x: Jealous. |
| 03:40.27 | beelzabub | i forget who else |
| 03:40.30 | beelzabub | ARM too i think |
| 03:40.31 | en0x | egaudet: yap |
| 03:40.40 | beelzabub | essentially standardize the linux arm tree |
| 03:40.41 | en0x | egaudet: tomorrow/saturday and sunday |
| 03:40.41 | tmzt | linera? |
| 03:40.45 | egaudet | oh nice |
| 03:40.52 | BeeRad | Think they'll make a special stop in my town? Ever? (population 5,000) |
| 03:41.12 | beelzabub | ;omarp |
| 03:41.15 | beelzabub | linaro |
| 03:41.18 | en0x | egaudet: http://wklej.org/id/359220/ |
| 03:41.23 | ka6sox | they make me drive up the 101. not too bad though |
| 03:41.26 | Mercury | How about Dallas? :) |
| 03:41.37 | en0x | Mercury: they were in dallas |
| 03:41.41 | en0x | afaik |
| 03:41.49 | tmzt | en0x: is this app stuff? |
| 03:42.03 | Mercury | en0x: Damn, how do you get notified that it's happening? |
| 03:42.12 | en0x | tmzt: no the summer tour... |
| 03:42.15 | en0x | Mercury: facebook |
| 03:42.21 | Mercury | en0x: Ah, sucky. |
| 03:42.31 | BeeRad | I cant believe Palm doesn't sell swag. I just want a simple Palm shirt. I like webOS Roundup, but I dont want to wear their shirts. |
| 03:42.57 | en0x | i will get one for u tomorrow :p |
| 03:43.06 | BeeRad | en0x: bite me. |
| 03:43.08 | BeeRad | lol |
| 03:43.19 | bpadalino | BeeRad: go to one of those embroidery places with a logo ? |
| 03:43.32 | BeeRad | bpadalino: lol |
| 03:44.53 | en0x | i hope i will get a new palm leather case for my pre |
| 03:44.58 | en0x | the one that i have broke |
| 03:44.59 | en0x | :S |
| 03:45.02 | bpadalino | :( |
| 03:47.08 | Kyusaku | I want that palm forever shirt |
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| 03:47.17 | BeeRad | Any ideas for a next video, guys? |
| 03:47.24 | beelzabub | how much are you willing to pay for it :D? |
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| 03:47.37 | beelzabub | j/k |
| 03:47.37 | bpadalino | palm forever ? |
| 03:47.39 | Kyusaku | the palm forever shirt? |
| 03:47.42 | beelzabub | yup |
| 03:47.55 | en0x | what palm forever shirt? |
| 03:48.05 | beelzabub | they gave them out yesterday |
| 03:48.10 | Kyusaku | yeh |
| 03:48.11 | BeeRad | Picture or it doesnt exist. |
| 03:48.13 | bpadalino | oh, didn't hear about it .. |
| 03:48.16 | Kyusaku | palm crew got them |
| 03:48.17 | bpadalino | yeah got a link to a picture ? |
| 03:48.20 | beelzabub | ok, it doesn't exist |
| 03:48.22 | BeeRad | lol |
| 03:48.25 | BeeRad | dang |
| 03:48.29 | Kyusaku | some of them tweeted photos. |
| 03:48.30 | en0x | busted |
| 03:49.02 | Kyusaku | beelzabub: probably pay like $35 including shipping. |
| 03:49.18 | beelzabub | i was j/k - not actually willing to sell it |
| 03:49.22 | Kyusaku | bpadalino: one sec |
| 03:49.22 | beelzabub | i don't sell any of the kitch i get |
| 03:49.32 | bpadalino | probably a good idea |
| 03:49.33 | en0x | show us a pic |
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| 03:50.11 | BeeRad | wb |
| 03:50.38 | Kyusaku | http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyikeda/4750515145/ |
| 03:50.45 | Tman_pre | thanks |
| 03:51.01 | BeeRad | That is awesome..... |
| 03:51.22 | Kyusaku | back http://www.flickr.com/photos/girliemac/4750520841/in/photostream/ |
| 03:51.35 | bpadalino | cool |
| 03:51.40 | en0x | gimmie one! |
| 03:51.44 | oil | haha |
| 03:51.49 | BeeRad | Thats awesome. |
| 03:53.14 | en0x | anyway who gave the sysmgr name LUNA? |
| 03:53.30 | en0x | is that someone's ex name? |
| 03:53.31 | en0x | :P |
| 03:53.39 | Abyssul | why would it be an ex? |
| 03:53.58 | Abyssul | I want the shirt btw too. Why Palm doesn't sell gear is beyond my understanding |
| 03:54.05 | beelzabub | luna is the name of the UI |
| 03:54.05 | en0x | because someone was pissed when he was coding it for version 1.4.0 of webos and it was crashing all the time :p |
| 03:54.28 | beelzabub | i've never heard anyone called by that name before |
| 03:54.34 | beelzabub | in many languages it means moon |
| 03:54.44 | beelzabub | i don't know the backstory of how that particular codename came about |
| 03:54.47 | BeeRad | the ancient Roman goddess personifying the moon, sometimes identified with Diana. |
| 03:54.55 | BeeRad | Jump to all the conclusions you want. |
| 03:55.13 | beelzabub | FSF are a bunch of douches |
| 03:55.20 | beelzabub | the most impossible people in the world to work with |
| 03:55.42 | beelzabub | this isn't relevant to anything |
| 03:55.49 | rwhitby | but true :) |
| 03:56.07 | bpadalino | heh |
| 03:56.10 | rwhitby | I had one run in with RMS 10 years ago. that was enough for me. |
| 03:56.11 | beelzabub | have you read the LWN article about gcc? |
| 03:56.18 | en0x | "work together for free" |
| 03:56.18 | en0x | :D |
| 03:56.24 | bpadalino | beelzabub: link ? |
| 03:56.50 | beelzabub | behind a paywall - http://lwn.net/Articles/394219/ |
| 03:56.58 | bpadalino | ah lame |
| 03:56.59 | bpadalino | oh well |
| 03:57.11 | beelzabub | they're actually preventing their own people from generating documentation from the source |
| 03:57.13 | tmzt | you can share a subscriber link |
| 03:57.20 | beelzabub | because the GFDL & GPL are incompatible |
| 03:57.24 | bpadalino | that sounds absurd |
| 03:57.41 | beelzabub | nope - that is the subscriber link |
| 03:57.51 | tmzt | there should be a token in it then |
| 03:58.08 | beelzabub | nope |
| 03:58.23 | beelzabub | & i actually support LWN |
| 03:58.23 | bpadalino | eh, no big deal .. sounds lame they're being jerks |
| 03:58.28 | beelzabub | i love their articles |
| 03:58.33 | beelzabub | they actually are worth paying for |
| 03:58.37 | beelzabub | & their not expensive at all |
| 03:58.46 | beelzabub | s/their/they're |
| 03:59.11 | beelzabub | you'll be able to read it next week |
| 03:59.17 | Tman_pre | rwhitby: while you're here, can you recall for me why armv6 building is disabled in WIDK right now? |
| 03:59.22 | beelzabub | LWN always releases their weekly edition after a week for free |
| 03:59.31 | bpadalino | yeah it said on the 8th it'll be free |
| 03:59.36 | bpadalino | i'll bookmark it for later |
| 04:00.04 | beelzabub | actually, it's GFDL vs GPLv3 |
| 04:00.08 | beelzabub | GPLv3 is such a cluster |
| 04:00.19 | rwhitby | Tman_pre: some packages haven't been fixed to stage for armv7 and armv6 (and i686 for that matter) |
| 04:00.27 | beelzabub | anyways - i'm off |
| 04:00.30 | beelzabub | see you guys tomorrow |
| 04:00.30 | bpadalino | later |
| 04:00.33 | BeeRad | cya |
| 04:01.00 | ka6sox-work | laters beelzabub |
| 04:01.11 | Tman_pre | rwhitby: so basically some Makefiles need to be patched up? or is it more involved than that? |
| 04:01.37 | rwhitby | Tman_pre: no, that's about it |
| 04:01.57 | rwhitby | Tman_pre: please feel free to make it happen. |
| 04:02.15 | Tman_pre | rwhitby: I may do so :) |
| 04:06.56 | bpadalino | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/07/02/020229/Qualcomm-Makes-Open-Source-3D-Snapdragon-Driver - hot damn |
| 04:14.08 | jhowirc | tman: please do |
| 04:14.40 | jhowirc | have cflags ready for you when you do |
| 04:15.11 | jhowirc | support/cross-compile.mk |
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| 04:24.30 | Tman_pre | jhowirc: they're already in there? |
| 04:27.21 | tmzt | bpadalino: nah, read it |
| 04:34.03 | jhojho | Tman: available but not used |
| 04:39.09 | Tman_pre | jhojho: ok. I'll use them, thanks |
| 04:39.45 | jhojho | and once we start creating packages for different archs, we can add some additional flags |
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| 04:57.04 | rwhitby | From what I can see, the P100UEU and P101UEU doctors for 1.4.5 are identical in the rootfs, with the only changes being in the carrier customisations tarball |
| 04:57.37 | rwhitby | and DMSet token being 317 for castle and 674 for castle-plus |
| 04:58.27 | rwhitby | the doctor build times are 3 minutes apart |
| 04:58.37 | bhuey | rwhitby: 24M compcache is working well for me |
| 04:58.54 | rwhitby | yeah, that's what I use too |
| 04:58.54 | bhuey | that with an overclocked kernel is making my life with the Pre better than it was |
| 04:59.15 | bhuey | still not a Pre Plus but better overall |
| 04:59.24 | Abyssul | bhuey, makes it bearable until the next gen device |
| 04:59.29 | bhuey | Abyssul: right |
| 04:59.45 | Abyssul | Im expecting a leak or announcement within the next 2 weeks |
| 05:00.54 | bhuey | I was expecting one today after the merger |
| 05:01.12 | Abyssul | Meh, im more understanding than that |
| 05:01.23 | bhuey | It's just unacceptable that Sprint users don't have new hardware by now |
| 05:01.40 | Abyssul | Palm is looking for hte long term though |
| 05:02.04 | Abyssul | I bet they planned on a 2nd gen device for June, but postponed it due to the HP buyout |
| 05:02.40 | bhuey | hard to say. their carrier exclusivity agreements really have made life bad for them |
| 05:03.06 | Abyssul | HP just needs to jumpstart Palm back into the playing field |
| 05:03.16 | Abyssul | They need a second chance to make an impact |
| 05:03.18 | BeeRad | Abyssul: Im sure everyone is better off not having the "June device". Give them more time to come up with something really good. |
| 05:03.25 | bhuey | they need to hire more folks to bug fix the system and refine the apps more |
| 05:03.41 | bhuey | I'm looking for improvements with the chat app specifically |
| 05:03.43 | Abyssul | BeeRad, as long if it totally blows my mind |
| 05:04.03 | bhuey | like a ways of notifying that a person has come on in addition to the notifications already |
| 05:04.11 | bhuey | and fixing the GC leak bug |
| 05:04.20 | Abyssul | Im looking forward to the fall update and a next gen device |
| 05:04.23 | bhuey | after a year now, it's ridiculous that it's not fixed |
| 05:04.36 | Abyssul | GC leak bug? |
| 05:04.50 | BeeRad | Can Palm please give me customizable external LED's like RIM and rooted Nexus has? I miss that from my BB days. |
| 05:04.51 | bhuey | yeah, the TMC error bug with you have no apps running |
| 05:04.54 | Abyssul | Are you talking about how the GC doesnt pick up after apps? |
| 05:05.09 | Abyssul | GC and TMC are different variables |
| 05:05.25 | Abyssul | BeeRad, Im not that picky |
| 05:05.46 | bhuey | well, as far as I know it's a GC leakage issue |
| 05:06.22 | rwhitby | BeeRad: you can control all the LEDs on the device from userspace |
| 05:07.24 | BeeRad | Different strokes for different folks. I really depend on seeing when something comes in. I cant always hear my phone and dont want to unlock it all the time. It was nice knowing that Blue= SMS Green= IM Purple= Facebook Red= email 1 Fuschia= email2 etc etc etc. Set it up however you want. |
| 05:07.52 | Abyssul | Sounds cool |
| 05:08.23 | Abyssul | Our LED only has one color though |
| 05:08.25 | BeeRad | rwhitby: say what? |
| 05:08.54 | BeeRad | Abyssul: True. For this device. I'm saying the next one. |
| 05:09.10 | BeeRad | We could at least control the blink pulses now or something. |
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| 05:11.35 | Abyssul | Am i the only one who uses wax on their Pre? :p |
| 05:14.16 | BeeRad | umm.... |
| 05:14.18 | BeeRad | why? |
| 05:14.23 | bhuey | like rainX kind of stuff ? |
| 05:14.27 | bhuey | It's actually a good idea |
| 05:14.30 | Abyssul | Car wax |
| 05:14.39 | Abyssul | but I never thought about the rainx |
| 05:15.02 | Abyssul | I think it would decay before it had any use though since the oils on your fingers would eat at the layer |
| 05:15.14 | bhuey | If there was an lip-phobic film I can apply onto the surface, I might consider it |
| 05:15.34 | bhuey | lipid |
| 05:17.30 | Abyssul | +1 for that :) |
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| 05:23.55 | Abyssul | silky smooth screen now :) <3 waxy screen |
| 05:24.38 | bhuey | kind of fanatical |
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| 05:41.42 | Robi_ | what happened to Jay? |
| 05:41.48 | Robi_ | http://canuck-software.ca/ down |
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| 06:06.53 | datafirm | hello |
| 06:07.01 | datafirm | How would one go about installing one of these kernels: |
| 06:07.02 | datafirm | http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-kernels/testing/1.4.5/ |
| 06:09.30 | datafirm | nvm |
| 06:09.34 | datafirm | figured it out I think |
| 06:11.26 | egaudet | my oh my it's getting late |
| 06:11.58 | egaudet | I'm sitting here installing apatch on my phone phone while novaterm'd into my dev phone looking at the patches log wondering how on earth nothing is coming in |
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| 06:20.21 | ka6sox-work | you know its late when.... |
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| 06:25.05 | swisstomcat | morning |
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| 06:40.16 | hucksy | huh |
| 06:40.26 | hucksy | webos 1.4.5 is out? |
| 06:40.42 | hucksy | eh elea |
| 06:40.45 | hucksy | released |
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| 06:54.32 | Robi_ | no |
| 07:02.50 | swisstomcat | not here |
| 07:03.04 | swisstomcat | although i have a o2 german pre |
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| 07:26.16 | hucksy | my pre says... it is ;) |
| 07:27.19 | hape_ | rwhitby: yes. noradtux found some problems with the change root jail for pdk apps. He will try to look at it on the weekend |
| 07:28.13 | hape_ | rwhitby: luna now starts pdk apps in a change root. So we can not access easpeak and the language fix is not working |
| 07:28.32 | hape_ | rwhitby: But it works without the additional libs |
| 07:32.45 | rwhitby | hape_: we have a way around the jail if needed. |
| 07:32.47 | rwhitby | (for apps installed from Preware) |
| 07:32.58 | swisstomcat | hey rwhitby |
| 07:33.07 | rwhitby | hey swisstomcat |
| 07:33.10 | swisstomcat | still waiting to get 1.4.5 for my gsm device |
| 07:33.19 | swisstomcat | (but i'm not in a hurry) |
| 07:33.35 | hucksy | http://pics.orca-net.de/webos_145.png |
| 07:33.59 | hucksy | o2 germany |
| 07:35.44 | swisstomcat | let me check again |
| 07:36.19 | swisstomcat | nope |
| 07:37.30 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: logged into a palm profile? |
| 07:37.39 | swisstomcat | yeah |
| 07:37.43 | swisstomcat | my "normal" one |
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| 08:30.20 | hape_ | rwhitby: I hope we don't need it, but thanks for the info. How do you do it? |
| 08:31.22 | hape_ | rwhitby: easpeak can be compiles a lib for navit. But noradtux was not able to get it working as the src for pulsaudio was missing. Now it is there and i hope he can make it |
| 08:32.03 | rwhitby | ok |
| 08:32.18 | rwhitby | hape_: we'll be updating WIDK for 1.4.5 very soon |
| 08:32.38 | hape_ | the compile with the current WIDK is running in 1.4.5 |
| 08:33.04 | hape_ | what is the conzept for the way arround the jail if we need it. |
| 08:33.14 | hape_ | That i can tell noradtux about if we need it |
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| 08:33.59 | rwhitby | preware will install a new CS certificate, which will allow application specific jail configuration |
| 08:34.13 | rwhitby | see the meta-doctor for how this is done |
| 08:34.20 | rwhitby | s/CS/CA/ |
| 08:34.41 | egaudet | damn Precentral... EVERY single night |
| 08:34.42 | rwhitby | the CA certificate part is done and tested (that is how meta-doctor automatically installs Preware on first boot) |
| 08:35.07 | egaudet | if anyone asks why VKB update isn't working for them, tell them to uninstall both VKB and VKB Default Themes and Config and reinstall them. good night |
| 08:36.20 | rwhitby | egaudet: that's what your post on PreCentral said, right? |
| 08:36.34 | egaudet | yeah it finally went through |
| 08:36.36 | hape_ | rwhitby: That is over my knowlage right now. But I get the idea. |
| 08:37.56 | egaudet | oh yeah and I already posted that the first time and forgot heh, well I said it again and now I'm going to bed :P |
| 08:39.01 | rwhitby | hape_: so we can get libpdl.so from the doctor now, but we still need the headers |
| 08:46.47 | hape_ | rwhitby: as said. Navit compiled with the current TC is working now *without* the native libs from the PDK. The main headers seems to the same as before |
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| 08:47.26 | rwhitby | hape_: what is "TC" ? |
| 08:47.47 | hape_ | TC=Tool chain= cross compile enviroment from git |
| 08:48.08 | rwhitby | hape_: do you mean nonworking/pdl/Makefile? |
| 08:48.21 | hape_ | We call it in a other gpl project I work on this way. So I reused it |
| 08:48.26 | hape_ | rwhitby: yes |
| 08:48.43 | hape_ | That is what Navit is currently compailed aginst |
| 08:48.53 | hape_ | sorry for the messing englisch |
| 08:49.13 | rwhitby | hape_: but pdl/Makefile is currently a manual unpack of pdl - I'm looking to do an auto-unpack |
| 08:49.51 | hape_ | yep, only whanted to inform you that the it looks like then mian header files are not changed |
| 08:50.45 | hape_ | rwhitby: I think you could automatisate the current manual process. Someone tould int the Navit thread how. |
| 08:51.12 | hape_ | rwhitby: But I did not looked into it as it was working for me. I expect the same for Noradtux .... |
| 08:51.19 | rwhitby | hape_: if you have an automatic process that runs on Ubuntu 10.4 that will be greate |
| 08:54.36 | hape_ | I do not have, only someone tould the missing steps but nowone ever implemented them into the makefie => http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/224609-navit-pre-5.html#post2332647 |
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| 08:56.07 | hape_ | It is the part to get the files out of the MAC PDK |
| 08:57.33 | rwhitby | ok |
| 09:11.49 | rwhitby | hape_: the step which searches for the hfs2plus header failed on 1.4.5 |
| 09:14.29 | hape_ | bad |
| 09:14.59 | eieio | yawn, sup? |
| 09:15.27 | hape_ | I never tried the way. A friend with a MAC extracted it for me and send me the tar ... |
| 09:15.32 | rwhitby | hape_: found it |
| 09:15.39 | rwhitby | 00005210: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0048 2b00 .............H+. |
| 09:15.39 | rwhitby | 00005220: 0400 0001 0031 302e 3000 0000 00c8 3ee8 .....10.0.....>. |
| 09:16.06 | hape_ | ah its on two line |
| 09:17.41 | rwhitby | hape_: we should change dmg2img to skip to this automatically before dumping |
| 09:25.43 | hape_ | good idea, But I do not have the time and the C skills for it . Sorry |
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| 09:30.03 | rwhitby | I have added a -p option to extract a single partition |
| 09:30.10 | rwhitby | the main partition is #4 |
| 09:30.21 | rwhitby | then the HFS offset is always 0x400 |
| 09:31.09 | hape_ | good idea. So you can automatic the PDK install in the makefile. |
| 09:31.39 | hape_ | How to make sure that the user had dmg2img or do you plan to add a makefile for it too? |
| 09:31.50 | rwhitby | the makefile will download, patch and build it |
| 09:34.10 | hape_ | patch? Is the -p option not all you need? |
| 09:34.46 | hape_ | but anyway cool :-) |
| 09:41.38 | rwhitby | hape_: I wrote the -p option |
| 09:41.56 | rwhitby | (and now have that as a patch to dmg2img) |
| 09:42.55 | rwhitby | hape_: see packages/host/dmg2img/ |
| 09:43.37 | hape_ | ok, you are quick ... |
| 09:45.26 | rwhitby | it is a small patch: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/cross-compile.git;a=blob;f=packages/host/dmg2img/dmg2img.patch |
| 09:47.59 | hape_ | seen it. Nice idea, so you do not need to search for the hex codes |
| 09:54.07 | rwhitby | hape_: I will rewrite the pdl Makefile to use it |
| 09:57.24 | hape_ | Thanks, go for it. |
| 10:39.30 | bhuey | wants to hear a freak'n announcement or leak of new Palm hardware in the pipes |
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| 10:55.52 | Marajin | bhuey: There can be only HP! |
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| 11:38.17 | en0x | nom nom nom |
| 11:40.44 | swisstomcat | morn morn morn |
| 11:45.02 | en0x | hey |
| 12:36.32 | rwhitby | Still no 1.4.5 joy for the US? |
| 12:40.36 | swisstomcat | still no 1.4.5 here either |
| 12:45.58 | hape_ | First time that we in Germany are the first ^^ |
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| 13:07.16 | en0x | rwhitby: nope ;( |
| 13:07.24 | en0x | maybe it will arrive tonight on sprint |
| 13:37.00 | rwhitby | hape_: common/libpdl/Makefile is done |
| 13:39.04 | hape_ | rwhitby: suprep |
| 13:39.34 | hape_ | I will test it today evening if nothing comes inbetween |
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| 13:42.15 | rwhitby | hape_: you need libssl-dev, libz-dev, libbz2-dev and xar installed |
| 13:42.25 | hape_ | ok |
| 13:42.42 | rwhitby | the .dmg is unpacked as part of the "toolchain" target |
| 13:42.46 | en0x | rwhitby: would it be possibe to add navit to autobilder and it would compile pixi version? without me downloading widk? |
| 13:43.09 | rwhitby | en0x: that is what hape_ and I are already doing |
| 13:43.10 | hape_ | rwhitby: my plan was to delete my TC and requild it from scratch to test it |
| 13:43.33 | en0x | rwhitby: oh sorry havent see previous convos |
| 13:43.38 | rwhitby | hape_: I am doing that right now with make -j8 |
| 13:44.04 | en0x | rwhitby: u got pixi with 1.4.5 right? |
| 13:44.09 | hape_ | so 'make -j8' is a rebild all? |
| 13:44.12 | rwhitby | en0x: pixi plus, yes. |
| 13:44.18 | rwhitby | hape_: parallel make |
| 13:44.24 | en0x | rwhitby: did u try 3d pre games on it? |
| 13:44.29 | rwhitby | en0x: no |
| 13:44.46 | en0x | why not? :( |
| 13:45.01 | rwhitby | to frustrate you, of course. |
| 13:45.12 | en0x | hehe |
| 13:45.17 | en0x | and one more thing |
| 13:45.23 | rwhitby | only one? |
| 13:45.41 | en0x | if u want to i can bother you till u go to sleep |
| 13:46.08 | rwhitby | that's the expected outcome of you bothering me, yes :) |
| 13:46.20 | en0x | [; |
| 13:47.02 | en0x | ok if i have my palm profile and i bought some apps on my pre... then i got pixi and i shutdown pre and login with my palm profile to pixi... when i remove my palm profile will it remove all of the apps from eighter pixi/pre? |
| 13:48.22 | swisstomcat | copy the apps over from the pre to the pixi |
| 13:48.49 | en0x | i know i can do that but i wonder if i can use my palm profile to download all the apps that I bought |
| 13:48.53 | rwhitby | it will delete /media/cryptofs/apps on the device which is no longer logged into the profile |
| 13:48.55 | en0x | and then sign out from it |
| 13:49.08 | en0x | oh thats a bummer :( |
| 13:49.58 | rwhitby | you must have a low expectation of the security folks at Palm. if that was not the case you would have a world-wide trade in app'd-up profiles |
| 13:50.26 | en0x | well but if u have two devices... then it's a different story |
| 13:50.38 | rwhitby | how is it a different story? |
| 13:50.40 | en0x | i seen ppl with 3 smartphones walking around idk for what but they were |
| 13:50.48 | en0x | rwhitby: coz their mine? :> |
| 13:51.10 | en0x | but still if no can do then i'm fine |
| 13:51.24 | en0x | i will setup second profile then |
| 13:51.38 | rwhitby | are you sure they are yours, or are you just renting them from your carrier? |
| 13:51.52 | en0x | bought them out of contract |
| 13:52.15 | en0x | so yes they are mine |
| 13:52.51 | en0x | i wanted to make sure about the palm profile because my att pixi plus is arriving today |
| 13:52.56 | en0x | i bought it on ebay |
| 13:55.46 | hape_ | en0x: How much did you paid for the Pixi? |
| 13:57.22 | en0x | 230 i was bidding |
| 13:57.28 | en0x | brand new not opened |
| 13:57.47 | en0x | they go for 299 at att store |
| 13:58.02 | en0x | but they wont sell it to anybody out of contract if you do not have account with them |
| 13:58.11 | en0x | coz i tried |
| 13:58.38 | en0x | hape_: and if u get att pixi plus they have the obligation to give u unlock code |
| 13:58.59 | en0x | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.03 | rwhitby | only if you have had an account with them for 90 days |
| 13:59.23 | en0x | well if u on a contract and u have account with them for few years |
| 13:59.30 | en0x | yes they will give u the unlock code |
| 13:59.51 | en0x | rwhitby: anyone who have an account with them for over 90 days can get the unlock code for u |
| 14:00.02 | en0x | talk to ur friends to call CS and request unlock code ;) |
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| 14:16.46 | rwhitby | hape_: just moved libgarmin, espeak and navit from packages/nonworking to packages/apps |
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| 14:19.19 | Nestor | how do i install preware in my pre plus? |
| 14:20.42 | swisstomcat | hello |
| 14:20.55 | swisstomcat | there's a installation guide on preware.org |
| 14:21.16 | rwhitby | http://install.preware.org/ is the answer |
| 14:21.24 | rwhitby | but he's gone |
| 14:22.14 | en0x | i liked the java app that used to be under install.preware.org |
| 14:22.31 | en0x | so u did not needed wosqi |
| 14:26.18 | hape_ | rwhitby: ok |
| 14:26.58 | rwhitby | en0x: it was never under there. it has always been under get.preware.org |
| 14:27.22 | rwhitby | and even that is overkill. Just use the official Palm SDK and the official palm-install tool to install Preware. |
| 14:27.41 | hape_ | rwhitby: We need to check it carfully in 1.4.5. Some users in the German forum reported crashes in 1.4.5 with the old version. But this can be depandend on the old libs that are included in the ipks |
| 14:28.25 | rwhitby | time to see if gnash builds |
| 14:30.13 | en0x | oh yeah it was get.... stupid me :S |
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| 17:23.40 | Ziggy_ | hello out there... |
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| 17:27.25 | RagingMind | Hello Ziggy_ |
| 17:28.16 | Ziggy_ | hi there...Im trying to add the preware software to my Palm pre so I dint throw it out the window |
| 17:28.39 | Ziggy_ | i need to get the onscreen keyboard that a friend has goten |
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| 17:33.06 | dtzWill | Ziggy_: install.preware.org |
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| 19:06.36 | sethron | greetings. does anyone know what happened to kb_config.json ? |
| 19:10.59 | egaudet | uninstall and reinstall VKB and VKB Default Themes and Config |
| 19:11.42 | sethron | egaudet: ok thanks, here we go... |
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| 19:21.55 | CorpX | whats the easiest way to transfer some files to the pre without using a usb cable |
| 19:22.02 | en0x | scp |
| 19:22.07 | en0x | if u have ssh server on pre |
| 19:23.28 | CorpX | im just gonna go get the cable from the car lol |
| 19:24.54 | sethron | egaudet: happy day! tyvm. |
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| 19:26.21 | JusMeJim | Hi Everyone. Does anyone know if the virtual keyboard will word on the Palm Pre Plus |
| 19:26.34 | JusMeJim | word=work |
| 19:26.46 | en0x | why should it not? |
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| 19:27.24 | JusMeJim | well I would think it should, but it doesn't....unless I've done something wrong |
| 19:27.47 | en0x | hmm |
| 19:27.49 | JusMeJim | I'm not just asking to be asking.....I'm asking because I thought this was a help room |
| 19:27.49 | en0x | 21:10 + egaudet > uninstall and reinstall VKB and VKB Default Themes and Config |
| 19:28.00 | en0x | and it should work |
| 19:28.00 | en0x | ; |
| 19:28.30 | egaudet | what locale? |
| 19:28.45 | JusMeJim | when I tap twice all that happens is the "card" minimizes and then maximizes back to original size |
| 19:28.47 | egaudet | double tap gesture area and wait 5 seconds (no triple tap) |
| 19:28.59 | egaudet | JusMeJim, don't tap the middle minimize "button" |
| 19:29.32 | egaudet | I wish that middle "button" would just go away for ever |
| 19:29.55 | JusMeJim | I'm tapping what I think is the gesture area |
| 19:30.05 | sethron | JusMeJim: make sure Preware has it as an installed patch |
| 19:30.17 | JusMeJim | the horizontal "lighted line" below the screen? |
| 19:30.27 | egaudet | where's beerad |
| 19:30.40 | egaudet | JusMeJim, to the left or right of that lighted line |
| 19:30.52 | JusMeJim | I'm tapping right on the line |
| 19:31.03 | egaudet | the lighted line is a special "button" assumedly acting as a button due to the Pre non-plus having an actual button and being consistent |
| 19:31.05 | JusMeJim | and the card minimizes and then maximizes back to original size |
| 19:31.07 | egaudet | NOT on the line |
| 19:31.09 | egaudet | NOT |
| 19:31.49 | JusMeJim | is the line n ot what is considered the gesture ? |
| 19:32.11 | egaudet | JusMeJim, no it's a "button" IN the gesture area I guess you could say |
| 19:32.23 | egaudet | on the pre (non plus) there isa physical button there |
| 19:32.40 | egaudet | the gesture area is to the left and right of it |
| 19:32.52 | egaudet | where you initiate backswipe etc... |
| 19:33.00 | JusMeJim | ok, let me try |
| 19:34.17 | MetaView | egaudet: do you distinct beween left or right gesture click? |
| 19:34.23 | MetaView | if yes, how? |
| 19:34.36 | JusMeJim | Hmmmm......still nothing. tapped to the left, to the right, both sides at the same time.... |
| 19:34.38 | egaudet | MetaView, no |
| 19:34.42 | egaudet | you can't |
| 19:34.52 | MetaView | but the middle? |
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| 19:35.24 | egaudet | JusMeJim, double tap to the right. When you hit it the center line lights up but the card doesn't minimize. Do not tap 3 times, do not tap 4 times, just wait 5 seconds after a quick double tap |
| 19:35.42 | egaudet | MetaView, I'm not sure any standard API can detect middle button |
| 19:36.08 | MetaView | ok, you can only say: gestuere area or not, right? |
| 19:36.22 | MetaView | but there is forward swipe too... hm |
| 19:36.30 | MetaView | ok, thx for the info :) |
| 19:36.39 | egaudet | MetaView, with the standard API, the gesture area is sent as a hard key event |
| 19:37.07 | egaudet | I believe backswipe and forwardswipe also come in as their own hard key event |
| 19:38.09 | JusMeJim | egaudet, my center line is already lit up. For instance if I'm sending a text message, I go to where I would enter text, and then "supposedly" double tap? |
| 19:39.06 | egaudet | yeah, make sure the cursor is blinking, and then double tap the gesture area (left or right of center line) and wait 4 seconds |
| 19:39.18 | egaudet | after double tap the cursor should stop blinking while it renders |
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| 19:41.37 | JusMeJim | no dice. and just checked....it is installed in the patch directory....although the two other programs it installs along with it are installed in the linux application folder |
| 19:42.04 | egaudet | it only installs one other program with it |
| 19:42.08 | egaudet | try uninstalling them ALL and then reinstalling |
| 19:42.08 | halfhalo_class1 | heh |
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| 19:43.47 | JusMeJim | ok, will do. Thanks for your help. when I installed it says it installls 2 others....gnu patch, and Lsdiff |
| 19:44.28 | egaudet | oh yeah those, yeah that's for all patches sorry |
| 19:44.40 | egaudet | the newest VKB also installs VKB Default Themes and Config package |
| 19:44.41 | egaudet | remove that |
| 19:44.44 | egaudet | and the VKB |
| 19:44.46 | egaudet | (not lsdiff and patch) |
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| 19:45.30 | JusMeJim | I dont see a config package? maybe thats the problem? |
| 19:45.48 | en0x | update feeds in preware |
| 19:47.26 | swisstomcat | laterz |
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| 20:10.33 | anivrom | Hey guys is there a known issue with trying to uninstall 3000 auto replace words patch? Ipk log no help |
| 20:18.30 | cryptk | I haven't had a problem with it |
| 20:18.33 | cryptk | what is the log saying? |
| 20:18.40 | cryptk | may not be of help to you, but to us it may be |
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| 20:21.53 | anivrom | OK I min. |
| 20:22.39 | anivrom | Cryptk: Gotta load preware up |
| 20:24.16 | cryptk | or you can just get it from the USB partition |
| 20:24.20 | cryptk | webos-patches.log |
| 20:24.29 | cryptk | that is where it puts the log at |
| 20:24.54 | anivrom | I'm not around a comp. I"m on wIRC |
| 20:25.06 | cryptk | ahh |
| 20:25.11 | cryptk | you have terminal app? |
| 20:25.19 | anivrom | Yes sir |
| 20:25.21 | cryptk | cat /media/internal/webos-patches.log |
| 20:25.38 | cryptk | or open it with internals |
| 20:26.24 | cryptk | do you have any other autoreplace patches installed? |
| 20:27.30 | anivrom | I think I installed 100 autoreplace words but its not showing up in preware |
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| 20:27.55 | cryptk | at the main preware screen type in autoreplace and press enter |
| 20:27.59 | cryptk | that should being them all up |
| 20:28.37 | cryptk | s/being/bring/ |
| 20:29.45 | anivrom | Yea 100 is not installed |
| 20:29.56 | cryptk | ok, what does the log say? |
| 20:30.29 | anivrom | Just 3000. Any way to scroll to the bottom of log in internalz via shortcut. My log is huge |
| 20:30.58 | cryptk | nope |
| 20:31.24 | cryptk | but you should be able to close preware, delete the log, try and remove only the 3000 patch |
| 20:31.32 | cryptk | then you will get a log of only the 3000 removal |
| 20:31.34 | anivrom | Ok |
| 20:37.19 | anivrom | Ugh internalz won't let me copy pase |
| 20:37.21 | anivrom | Paste |
| 20:39.23 | anivrom | Cryptk: is there a way to copy paste? I don't know what info you need from log |
| 20:40.19 | cryptk | what is the last line? |
| 20:40.38 | anivrom | Its looong |
| 20:40.52 | cryptk | does it look anything like an error? |
| 20:41.33 | anivrom | Last line says *** failed *** but I assume you wanypt the line before that |
| 20:41.45 | cryptk | if failed is the only thing on the last line then yes |
| 20:42.19 | cryptk | can you email the log file? |
| 20:42.30 | cryptk | if so I will give you my addy and you can send it to me |
| 20:43.01 | anivrom | 44/44 hunks failed |
| 20:43.21 | cryptk | hrm... what carrier are you on? |
| 20:43.47 | anivrom | Saving copy of rejects to 'path here |
| 20:43.55 | anivrom | Bell in canada |
| 20:44.04 | cryptk | you guys haven't gotten the update yet have you? |
| 20:44.10 | anivrom | I can email it |
| 20:44.28 | cryptk | hang on a sec, that may not be necessary |
| 20:44.32 | anivrom | Which update? There's is update? |
| 20:44.48 | cryptk | there is one coming out soon yes |
| 20:44.48 | anivrom | Is an IS update? |
| 20:44.51 | anivrom | Ffs |
| 20:44.56 | cryptk | it has already come out for O2 |
| 20:45.26 | cryptk | did you do a full or partial erase recently? |
| 20:46.14 | anivrom | This is why I need to get rid of this thing. It replaces perfectly good acronyms with stuff and I type with my eyes on the keys |
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| 20:47.14 | cryptk | try running Emergency Patch Installer |
| 20:47.21 | cryptk | it seems like the patch may not be installed |
| 20:47.39 | cryptk | I jsut messaged you my email addy |
| 20:47.41 | cryptk | send me the log |
| 20:49.34 | anivrom | Sent might get disconnected. My workplace building has terrible reception and I just got in |
| 20:50.40 | anivrom | I have 0 bars 1x right now lol |
| 20:51.20 | cryptk | that is pretty odd... |
| 20:51.28 | cryptk | you could restore the file it patches... |
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| 21:19.36 | en0x | quick question about att pixi plus |
| 21:19.47 | en0x | does all of them come with compatible back touchstone? |
| 21:24.35 | cryptk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.12 | en0x | afaik the blue one is not touchstone compatible |
| 21:25.53 | cryptk | well, you can pull the cover off and see if it has the touchstone stuff in it |
| 21:26.16 | cryptk | or just try and put it on a touchstone |
| 21:27.05 | cryptk | well, I'll be damned... I am reading online that the blue one IS NOT a touchstone back |
| 21:28.46 | chrisa | Odd, we sell a blue one in our store that is a touchstone back |
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| 21:29.20 | cryptk | chrisa, is it an att store? |
| 21:29.41 | eieio | sup? |
| 21:29.44 | cryptk | I have read that there ARE blue touchstone backs, but they are a different shade of blue and they do not come with the phone |
| 21:30.32 | anivrom | cryptk: did you look at the log? |
| 21:32.05 | cryptk | yes |
| 21:32.21 | cryptk | I am not sure why it isn't removing... |
| 21:32.30 | anivrom | Hmm |
| 21:32.41 | cryptk | you can try restoring just that one particular file... or wait for the big heads to chime in |
| 21:32.49 | cryptk | people like rwhitby and whatnot |
| 21:34.03 | anivrom | Do they come on often? Meaning do they come 'around' often |
| 21:34.10 | cryptk | yes |
| 21:34.14 | anivrom | Ok |
| 21:34.16 | cryptk | rwhitby is on almost every day |
| 21:34.26 | cryptk | usually in the afternoon/evening |
| 21:34.33 | anivrom | Ok |
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| 21:35.59 | egaudet | what's not removing |
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| 21:37.13 | en0x | lol att is saying that the pixi cannot be unlocked |
| 21:37.13 | en0x | :S |
| 21:38.04 | anivrom | Egaudet: 3000 autoreplace words patch |
| 21:38.26 | egaudet | emoney_33@yahoo.com send me webos-patches.log |
| 21:38.47 | en0x | they say that this phone is active on another account |
| 21:38.52 | en0x | shit ebay |
| 21:41.00 | anivrom | egaudet: : sent |
| 21:43.11 | en0x | ok so the phone is active on other account |
| 21:43.20 | en0x | but the ebay seller told me it's brand new eh |
| 21:43.29 | en0x | and it was but probably they took it on contract |
| 21:43.34 | cryptk | did the auction say it is brand new? |
| 21:43.44 | cryptk | if so you can get a refund |
| 21:43.45 | en0x | yap |
| 21:43.53 | cryptk | you use paypal? |
| 21:44.03 | en0x | yap |
| 21:44.04 | en0x | Today up for bids is a brand new Palm Pixi Plus for Att which has ONLY been taken out of the box to take pictures of the phone just put your sim card in and your ready to go thanks! |
| 21:44.17 | cryptk | if so, then you are covered |
| 21:44.24 | cryptk | you can fight that crap and get refunded |
| 21:44.25 | en0x | i sent email to the seller telling him to deactivate the phone on his account |
| 21:45.11 | egaudet | anivrom, what other patches do you have applied to that file |
| 21:45.24 | anivrom | No clue how do I check |
| 21:45.39 | egaudet | did you recently do a partial or full erase or manually remove the patches log? |
| 21:46.43 | egaudet | do you hav 100 more autoreplace installed? |
| 21:46.51 | anivrom | egaudet: I deleted the log file in order to get the error from the patch cause the log file was too big |
| 21:47.19 | egaudet | well that defeats the purpose of the log unfortunately |
| 21:47.26 | anivrom | I don't have 100 installed according to preware |
| 21:47.28 | egaudet | the history of why this situation arose is now gone :/ |
| 21:47.38 | egaudet | try to install 100 via preware |
| 21:47.51 | zsoc | en0x: why in the world would you buy a phone on ebay without verifying the esn? |
| 21:47.56 | zsoc | en0x: i should kick you for that stupidity |
| 21:48.00 | anivrom | Cryptx told me to do it :( |
| 21:48.28 | zsoc | en0x: the esn is probably not in use. it's probably suspended due to non-payment |
| 21:48.30 | egaudet | 100 is probably installed so install it via preware and then remove it |
| 21:48.32 | egaudet | and then remove 3000 |
| 21:48.45 | anivrom | Ok |
| 21:48.51 | zsoc | en0x: he doesn't want to pay his bill/disconnection fee, so he's trying to recoop the phone cost. you can't activate that phone. |
| 21:49.30 | zsoc | Tman_mac: how did the armv6 testing go on the widk? |
| 21:51.06 | en0x | zsoc: i put my sim card from att |
| 21:51.18 | en0x | and went thru palm activation and it worked fine |
| 21:51.34 | zsoc | en0x: oh, i thought it was cdma |
| 21:51.35 | en0x | i just want to unlock it so it will be sim lock free |
| 21:51.39 | en0x | zsoc: att gsm |
| 21:51.44 | zsoc | en0x: oh well then you're fine :p |
| 21:52.06 | en0x | yes but I wanted to unlock it for free thru att |
| 21:52.14 | en0x | they sell unlock codes on ebay for 20 bucks |
| 21:52.50 | zsoc | ATT is the one company I really don't have connections at |
| 21:52.55 | zsoc | well, except for blackberries |
| 21:52.56 | zsoc | sry |
| 21:53.08 | cryptk | egaudet, I checked that no others were isntalled first |
| 21:53.36 | en0x | zsoc: hehe |
| 21:54.39 | cryptk | Warcraft time |
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| 22:01.10 | anivrom | egaudet: it won't let me even install 100 autoreplace words |
| 22:01.24 | anivrom | Want the log? |
| 22:02.44 | cryptk | I wonder if the forkbomb still works on the pre |
| 22:03.03 | egaudet | well that file was modified by something |
| 22:03.17 | egaudet | anivrom, can you novaterm in? |
| 22:03.38 | anivrom | I don't know what you mean exactly |
| 22:04.16 | anivrom | I have quickinstall and I know it has to do with that |
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| 22:07.35 | cryptk | wow... getting bad function name when trying to forkbomb my phone... seems they fixed that... |
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| 22:07.43 | egaudet | novaterm is not QI, but we can use QI command line to accomplish it... |
| 22:08.35 | Anivrom | Ok |
| 22:09.43 | Tman_mac | zsoc: I haven't made much progress since last night, been travelling. Anyways I updated my repo and tried to do a `make stage` without any modifications and I'm getting error building dmg2img |
| 22:10.31 | Tman_mac | zsoc: specifically, it can't find the zlib.h or bzlib.h headers |
| 22:10.40 | zsoc | Tman_mac: hmm... i think happens while running my not-so-fancy pdl extraction script |
| 22:11.08 | zsoc | Tman_mac: try manually staging those headers first for those packages (i think they are in common/, just do a 'make stage' in each folder) |
| 22:11.35 | cryptk | ok, nevermind, forkbomb def still works, lol |
| 22:11.35 | Tman_mac | ok sec |
| 22:14.43 | Tman_mac | zsoc: actually dmg2img is built for the host.. maybe I just need to install some libs |
| 22:14.50 | zsoc | hmmm mebee |
| 22:14.51 | egaudet | Anivrom, in QI command line type the following |
| 22:14.57 | Anivrom | ok |
| 22:15.08 | egaudet | md5sum /etc/palm/autoreplace/en_us/text-edit-autoreplace |
| 22:15.56 | Anivrom | 1057defc757414548fa6fc085e712c40 /etc/palm/autoreplace/en_us/text-edit-autoreplace |
| 22:17.17 | egaudet | webos 1.4.1? |
| 22:17.22 | Anivrom | mhm |
| 22:17.41 | Tman_mac | zsoc: zlib1g-dev got rid of the zlib.h error.. now to find bzlib.h |
| 22:19.43 | cryptk | Tman_mac, libbz2-dev? |
| 22:20.12 | Tman_mac | yeah that's the one I think |
| 22:20.20 | Tman_mac | just checked the wiki :p |
| 22:23.28 | egaudet | Anivrom, type: |
| 22:23.29 | egaudet | df -h |
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| 22:24.26 | egaudet | email me that text-edit file |
| 22:24.35 | zsoc | Tman_mac: how usable do you feel agar is? Do you think it's possible for a single developer to develop a simple front end in less than 20 days, start to finish, to port an existing app from another platform? |
| 22:25.03 | oilsworkn | can in webos |
| 22:28.09 | Tman_mac | zsoc: well it's designed to be extremely flexible so that you can place it in an existing application, instead of rebuilding the application around it |
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| 22:28.46 | zsoc | Tman_mac: that's a good start :> ty |
| 22:29.02 | Tman_mac | zsoc: it uses some C hackish OOP, heh, which is a little confusing but not too bad. if you're integrating into C++ you might need some adapter code for callback functions etc. |
| 22:29.12 | Tman_mac | no problem! |
| 22:29.49 | zsoc | nope, it's all C atm |
| 22:34.23 | hape_ | rwhitby: new TC is working. PDK, espeak and Navit compiles without problems. I added the new required libs to the WIPDK wiki page. |
| 22:36.50 | en0x | hmm |
| 22:37.04 | en0x | this black cover is not touchstone compatible |
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| 22:37.17 | oilsworkn | 'sux |
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| 22:37.48 | en0x | i thought that only the blue one is not touchstone compatible |
| 22:37.49 | en0x | from att |
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| 23:25.06 | slidey_ | Lots of ppl here |
| 23:25.23 | slidey_ | Hi people |
| 23:25.45 | slidey_ | Hi diddly ho ppl! |
| 23:26.00 | beelzabub | hei ho neighboreeno |
| 23:26.12 | beelzabub | diddly doodly |
| 23:27.10 | beelzabub | so i've had a broken device for the longest time - & i was supposedly the only one |
| 23:27.23 | beelzabub | turns out no one bothered to upgrade the modem firmware version in trunk |
| 23:27.32 | beelzabub | & everyone else had gone through 1.4.5 first |
| 23:27.36 | beelzabub | i was going insane |
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| 23:30.00 | Abyssul | Im still waiting for 1.4.5 |
| 23:30.16 | beelzabub | meh - it's not a big release |
| 23:30.20 | beelzabub | unless you're on pixie |
| 23:30.29 | Abyssul | It still gives me a reason to doctor my phone |
| 23:30.37 | Abyssul | Its so tweaked and bugged... lol |
| 23:30.51 | beelzabub | thank god for backup/restore right? |
| 23:30.59 | Abyssul | Yep |
| 23:31.00 | beelzabub | i wish we really marketed the crap out of that feature |
| 23:31.05 | Abyssul | I plan on relying on that :) |
| 23:31.07 | torchie-pre | well I mean |
| 23:31.37 | BeeRad | Any of you guys with VZW? |
| 23:31.39 | torchie-pre | would 1.4.5 increase a pre user's chance of being able to play a game without rebootinh |
| 23:32.08 | beelzabub | maybe |
| 23:32.16 | beelzabub | i don't know what kind of memory reduction work went into it |
| 23:32.23 | beelzabub | rather i can't recall |
| 23:32.30 | beelzabub | it was a while back |
| 23:33.01 | beelzabub | photos app IIRC works a lot better (I found the reason it was hanging) |
| 23:33.02 | torchie-pre | so there are a few minor bugfixes in that respect? |
| 23:33.03 | oilsworkn | hybrids :) |
| 23:33.13 | torchie-pre | sweet! |
| 23:33.26 | torchie-pre | I already thought the photos app ran really well |
| 23:33.28 | beelzabub | don't take my word for it |
| 23:33.49 | beelzabub | torchie-pre - on certain big images it would essentially lock up decoding the full image |
| 23:33.53 | BeeRad | beelzabub: Do you ever know what the carriers are supposed to be doing once they get their filthy mits on the builds? |
| 23:33.57 | beelzabub | so you couldn't swipe until it decoded it fully |
| 23:34.02 | beelzabub | no |
| 23:34.11 | beelzabub | not on the carrier side of things |
| 23:34.29 | torchie-pre | any changes to the videos app? |
| 23:34.31 | Abyssul | I dont think hybrid apps are a part of 1.4.5 |
| 23:34.43 | oilsworkn | they cut off a chickens head, and it runs around on this big game board, and wherever it stops is the decision they make |
| 23:34.43 | torchie-pre | the videos I loaded on the device randomly don't work |
| 23:34.52 | jhoatt1 | beelzabub: removing the debug configs had a significant reduction in the size of uImage iirc |
| 23:34.56 | Abyssul | oilsworkn, sounds like my work ethics |
| 23:34.58 | beelzabub | dunno about videos |
| 23:35.02 | oilsworkn | lol |
| 23:35.08 | beelzabub | jhoatt1 - careful |
| 23:35.09 | torchie-pre | sprint's chicken will land on "NEEDS MORE NASCAR" |
| 23:35.14 | beelzabub | uImage != RAM used |
| 23:35.14 | Flashpass | hahah |
| 23:35.21 | jhoatt1 | I know |
| 23:35.27 | beelzabub | it explicitely mentions that in the docs |
| 23:35.32 | beelzabub | we don't care about size of uImage |
| 23:35.39 | jhoatt1 | haven't gotten a pixi yet to measure yet |
| 23:35.40 | Abyssul | anyone want a palm tshirt? http://forums.precentral.net/palm-general-chat/253652-palm-clothing.html#post2537069 |
| 23:35.42 | BeeRad | I just VZW to fix my GPS with Google Maps. That's all. |
| 23:35.47 | jhoatt1 | next week |
| 23:36.04 | Flashpass | Yeah is everyone else's gogole maps taking reeeeally long to load? |
| 23:36.04 | jhoatt1 | I get one. excited |
| 23:36.12 | oilsworkn | wants that palm forever shirt someone posted an image of :) |
| 23:36.20 | jhoatt1 | me too |
| 23:37.00 | Abyssul | oilsworkn, *wink* I made that |
| 23:37.07 | Abyssul | Idk if Zazzle will make it though |
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| 23:37.17 | torchie-pre | palm forever shirt? |
| 23:37.19 | BeeRad | wirc is awesome. just sayin... |
| 23:37.34 | oilsworkn | BeeRad: after 145 drops you can play with wirc 030 |
| 23:37.49 | oilsworkn | its way more awesomer |
| 23:38.06 | Abyssul | torchie-pre, scroll up for the link |
| 23:38.06 | torchie-pre | what's it got |
| 23:38.08 | BeeRad | oilsworkn: differences? |
| 23:38.34 | oilsworkn | there is a slightly out of date changelog on the trac wiki |
| 23:38.38 | BeeRad | I like awesomer. |
| 23:38.44 | Abyssul | pics and link to buy the t shirt |
| 23:38.46 | jhoatt1 | oil you keep teasing with 030 |
| 23:39.00 | oilsworkn | http://git.webos-internals.org/trac/wIRC on the right |
| 23:39.13 | oilsworkn | though that hasn't been updated in a week or two |
| 23:40.26 | torchie-pre | oy and I thought the client was already awesome |
| 23:40.35 | torchie-pre | let's take a peek here |
| 23:41.16 | oilsworkn | one thing not on the list is custom command aliases |
| 23:41.38 | oilsworkn | and it parses mirc-style color codes |
| 23:41.44 | oilsworkn | on incomming messages/topics |
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| 23:42.39 | oilsworkn | anyways |
| 23:42.43 | oilsworkn | leaves work |
| 23:42.56 | BeeRad | <-- IRC nOOb. Just don't make it more difficult. lol |
| 23:43.06 | Anivrom | wIRC is an orgasm in my hands. I use it all day :/ |
| 23:43.56 | torchie-pre | def. better than pocketirc on winmo |
| 23:44.16 | Anivrom | mhm. mainly user friendly features that set it apart |
| 23:44.20 | torchie-pre | treo pro, dark days ;-; |
| 23:44.37 | torchie-pre | yeah, the interface is great |
| 23:45.32 | CorpX | wow i cant send text msgs to a contact i just added |
| 23:45.36 | CorpX | what could be causing this |
| 23:45.42 | CorpX | i hit the SMS baloon and nothing happens |
| 23:45.52 | CorpX | i deleted him and readded and still cant send SMS |
| 23:47.21 | BeeRad | I just had to make a new profile for using wirc because 1.05 GHz isn't necessarily needed for chat now is it? lol |
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| 23:51.36 | cryptk | What I can't wait for the the new GUI for the WIRC main stage |
| 23:51.48 | cryptk | the one they have mocked up in the traq is super sezy |
| 23:52.42 | cryptk | http://i50.tinypic.com/10xrqyp.png |
| 23:55.23 | BeeRad | ooo that's nice. ;) |
| 23:58.52 | cryptk | can't wait for that one |
