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00:53.01 | rwhitby | sigh. it starts again: http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2539443 |
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01:57.30 | Robi_ | hm i can't get prebackup to finish.. just keeps saying it's processing forever |
02:00.03 | Mercury | Hmm, Tuesday I'm betting. |
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02:22.20 | rwhitby | hmm - existing Pre 3D games don't run on the Pixi with 1.4.5 |
02:22.36 | rwhitby | error: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/com.gameloft.app.asphalt5free/Asphalt5Demo/Asphalt5d: error while loading shared libraries: libIMGegl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
02:23.22 | rwhitby | (not that I really expected them too, of course) |
02:24.13 | zsoc|away | yes it would have a problem without egl :p |
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03:18.40 | darronb | hey, can someone try a command out on their phone for me? "gst-launch camsrc name=cs cs.src ! queue ! palmvideoencoder ! palmmpeg4mux name=mx location="/media/internal/test2.mp4" title="t" description="d" alsasrc ! queue ! palmaudioencoder ! mx.sinkAudio" |
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03:21.41 | darronb | can someone try out a command for me on their phone? "gst-launch camsrc name=cs cs.src ! queue ! palmvideoencoder ! palmmpeg4mux name=mx location="/media/internal/test2.mp4" title="t" description="d" alsasrc ! queue ! palmaudioencoder ! mx.sinkAudio" |
03:22.07 | darronb | oops, don't need the queue part: "gst-launch camsrc name=cs cs.src ! palmvideoencoder ! palmmpeg4mux name=mx location="/media/internal/test2.mp4" title="t" description="d" alsasrc ! palmaudioencoder ! mx.sinkAudio" |
03:23.13 | RagingMind | just recording from the cam? |
03:23.35 | darronb | just trying to come up with something that works... I'm starting to wonder if it's just my phone that's messed up |
03:23.53 | darronb | yeah, ultimately trying to get video into an app |
03:24.19 | RagingMind | aren't there official known working ways provided by palm? |
03:24.48 | darronb | well, the only thing in the SDK seems to be to launch the camera app |
03:25.12 | darronb | (I might be missing something) |
03:26.02 | RagingMind | it failed on my phone too |
03:26.19 | darronb | gst-launch caught a exception? |
03:26.25 | darronb | s/a/an |
03:26.52 | RagingMind | infobot, pastbin? |
03:27.09 | RagingMind | oops |
03:27.17 | RagingMind | might help if I could spell |
03:28.40 | RagingMind | darronb, http://lug.mtu.edu/pastebin/199 |
03:28.46 | darronb | here's what I get : http://pastebin.com/niPx2e20 |
03:28.55 | darronb | yup, same |
03:29.16 | darronb | well, at least I know that doctoring my phone is unlikely to help. :) |
03:30.53 | darronb | ragingmind: thanks, btw. ) |
03:30.55 | darronb | :) |
03:31.45 | darronb | ragingmind: have you heard of a known working way to do this? ... besides just launching the camera app? |
03:32.32 | RagingMind | Nope... |
03:32.41 | RagingMind | but I've never specifically looked into it |
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03:40.02 | cryptk | happy 4th! |
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03:49.19 | Kartog_ | would anyone know why my webos quickinstall isn't working properly? I have the gui and can add files to it, but I can't do things like actually install, go to options, etc. |
03:51.44 | Kartog_ | well that's disappointing |
03:57.21 | egaudet | maybe try to contact the QI developer, or just use Preware ;) |
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04:06.12 | Kartog_ | I was trying to install Preware using webos quick install |
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06:04.31 | dtzWill | Tman: GL with your arch changes, reading your logs on your branch :) |
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06:06.10 | swisstomcat | morning |
06:07.25 | dtzWill | swisstomcat: morning :) |
06:08.48 | Mercury | pokes at Sprint. |
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06:45.11 | jhoplus | too many pres. getting confused |
07:06.55 | rwhitby | dtzWill: I'm hoping to somehow merge build.git and cross-compile.git |
07:07.23 | rwhitby | dtzWill: first thing is to work out how to make build.git be able to build something somewhere other than two levels below the root |
07:07.29 | rwhitby | dtzWill: any ideas on that? |
07:18.41 | dtzWill | rwhitby: which issues do you see? discovery of the packages? the makefiles/dependent scripts referring handling their depth in the structure in a consistent manner? |
07:18.49 | dtzWill | rwhitby: i think we can figure it out :):) |
07:20.30 | rwhitby | dtzWill: makefiles referencing support .mk fragments and common things mainly |
07:21.35 | dtzWill | rwhitby: i'd say have each makefile, on close to the first line, define "LEVEL=../../" or so, and then everything else bases off $(LEVEL) etc |
07:21.50 | rwhitby | dtzWill: that was my first thought too |
07:22.19 | dtzWill | rwhitby: i totally stole that idea from other build systems I've used (but not designed) :) |
07:22.23 | rwhitby | then the next step is making the toolchain directories identical |
07:22.36 | dtzWill | rwhitby: kk any drawbacks you see with that? other than having to define it? (doesn't seem like that's a big deal) |
07:22.48 | rwhitby | then any common scripts in support/*.mk being identical |
07:22.53 | dtzWill | rwhitby: what about toolchain directories? |
07:23.00 | dtzWill | rwhitby: oh you mean merging build/cross-compile, yes |
07:23.42 | dtzWill | rwhitby: hmmmm. yeah that'll take some serious work. offhand, do we care which merges into which? :) (where do we make this new branch? :D) |
07:27.44 | rwhitby | dtzWill: the other things is that the autobuilder has to be fairly robust so that a broken widk package does not stop preware feeds updating |
07:30.25 | dtzWill | rwhitby: good point. might not be the best question, but is ...managing commit rights an issue (in a similar vein)? |
07:31.01 | rwhitby | dtzWill: yes |
07:31.52 | swisstomcat | hi rwhitby |
07:32.05 | swisstomcat | shall i already upload the ringtone app? |
07:32.16 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: yes |
07:32.25 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: I'll create the repo now |
07:32.29 | swisstomcat | k |
07:33.59 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: done |
07:34.33 | swisstomcat | i just do the usual commit (since it's the first one)? |
07:36.15 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: I would set the author to a value that James prefers |
07:36.33 | swisstomcat | hmm |
07:36.48 | swisstomcat | good point |
07:37.09 | swisstomcat | i might until he shows up |
07:37.11 | swisstomcat | wait |
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07:58.28 | Mercury | rwhitby: So, I'd _love_ a mode for preware that let me do a checkmark next to various packages, and then tell it to install/upgrade/uninstall all the marked packages. Is anything like that on the todo list? |
08:00.31 | rwhitby | yes, for gen 2 |
08:00.58 | Mercury | nods. |
08:02.28 | Mercury | So what all is planned for gen 2? |
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08:05.30 | rwhitby | Instant load, instant interaction, multiple parallel installs, delta synching updates with a server. |
08:05.53 | rwhitby | scaleable to 100's of thousands of apps. |
08:08.08 | Mercury | How do you plan on getting the parallel installs to work out? |
08:11.03 | rwhitby | Fool Palm's application install service into thinking the homebrew is approved for installation, and use the same routines that the app catalog client uses. |
08:11.44 | rwhitby | we currently use that method for the auto-installation of Preware by Meta-Doctor on first boot |
08:12.43 | hape_ | moin |
08:13.25 | Mercury | Ahh, I didn't know that Palm's application install service could do parallel installs. |
08:14.52 | swisstomcat | moin hape |
08:16.49 | rwhitby | well, it serialises them internally |
08:18.34 | Mercury | nods. |
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08:20.44 | rwhitby | bbl |
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11:01.47 | heffer | any estimates when ipkg.preware.org will be back? |
11:08.21 | swisstomcat | it's down? |
11:08.27 | heffer | for me it is |
11:08.38 | swisstomcat | let me check |
11:08.42 | heffer | connection refused on port 80 |
11:09.56 | heffer | from two different locations here |
11:10.47 | heffer | three |
11:11.01 | swisstomcat | same here |
11:12.23 | heffer | too bad ;) |
11:12.35 | heffer | i won a palm pre a few days ago |
11:12.41 | swisstomcat | cool |
11:12.43 | heffer | and now i wanted to start tinkering with it :D |
11:13.00 | swisstomcat | you were wise to install preware right away :) |
11:13.12 | heffer | it's the first time i won something of value :D |
11:13.30 | heffer | but i got a Nokia N900 just two months ago |
11:14.31 | swisstomcat | 3 hours until the west coast wakes up |
11:15.10 | heffer | ok. i think i can wait for so long :D |
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11:21.12 | GG | not sure if i have killed something on my pre or if the preware server is down, but I cant connect through preware and quickinstall wont load as cant find server |
11:21.16 | GG | anyone shed any light? |
11:21.36 | heffer | server is down |
11:21.43 | GG | thanks |
11:22.24 | swisstomcat | "There's a problem with the Preware feeds. I'm looking into it. Will update when I know more." |
11:22.29 | swisstomcat | @webosinternals |
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11:28.14 | heffer | feeds are back |
11:31.54 | swisstomcat | webos-internals.org/preware.org offline, disk IO error. Switching Preware feeds to backup mirror (ipkg3.preware.org / 69.163.133.43) |
11:31.59 | swisstomcat | @webosinternals |
11:35.42 | rwhitby | yep, problems with the server. |
11:36.36 | GG | dont seem to be back, for me anyway. i panicked as this happened at the exact moment I had installed preware, so naturally i thought I had borked something... wouldnt be the first time. |
11:39.50 | GG | would this also cause QuickInstall to error out with "Cant connect to package feed: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/Packages.gz" ? |
11:39.56 | rwhitby | yep |
11:40.05 | GG | thx |
11:40.27 | rwhitby | you'll need to wait for DNS propagation, or use the ipkg3.preware.org or IP address above |
11:40.53 | GG | thanks |
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12:13.59 | en0x | heh so i saw that ota is not updating /etc/fstab |
12:14.02 | en0x | that's a bummer |
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13:07.58 | en0x | WebOS Internals has a problem |
13:08.05 | en0x | this is still not fixed? :( |
13:09.06 | rwhitby | nope, serious server disk problem. no ETA. |
13:09.20 | en0x | ok |
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14:51.31 | en0x | rwhitby: do u need another mirror for ipkg.preware.org? i got some machines on 100Mbit connections and i can spare one |
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16:16.41 | Tman | dtzWill: hah thanks :) |
16:17.00 | Tman | ~seen zsoc |
16:17.02 | infobot | zsoc <~lll@unaffiliated/zsoc> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 2d 14h 7m 55s ago, saying: 'Tman: good to hear :0'. |
16:17.04 | Tman | ~seen zsoc|away |
16:17.05 | infobot | zsoc|away <~lll@unaffiliated/zsoc> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 13h 52m 52s ago, saying: 'yes it would have a problem without egl :p'. |
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16:26.13 | shaggy | good day |
16:26.22 | shaggy | anybody able to answer a quick question please? |
16:28.50 | shaggy | i guess nobody's here |
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17:29.01 | doohan | Hello everyone, I'm not sure why but for quite some time alot of apps have stopped working on my phone, and preware doesn't update or start either |
17:29.18 | doohan | Is there somewhere that I'm likely to see error logs of why things aren't starting? |
17:29.25 | bpadalino | yeah - servers are down .. |
17:29.29 | bpadalino | crashed :( |
17:29.34 | doohan | Nah, it's been that way for months :) |
17:29.45 | bpadalino | whoops |
17:29.52 | doohan | Just taking me this long to get round to fixing it |
17:30.03 | bpadalino | might be difficult to figure out now since the servers are down |
17:30.19 | doohan | Ignoring preware for now |
17:30.29 | doohan | Anythoughts on a crash log for everything else? |
17:30.55 | doohan | I'm looking in /var/logs but there's a lot to look through |
17:31.03 | bpadalino | grep can be your friend |
17:31.05 | Abyssul | What kind of apps? |
17:31.23 | Abyssul | Seems like your best bet is just to Doctor your phone IMO |
17:31.24 | doohan | Things like need for speed |
17:31.35 | bpadalino | are you on 1.4.5 or 1.4.1.1 ? |
17:31.37 | doohan | Abyssul, any guides or tutorials on that? |
17:31.53 | doohan | 1.4.1 |
17:31.55 | Abyssul | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/How_to_recover |
17:32.04 | darronb | go to the app folder itself and run the app manually if you can... maybe there's some stderr message |
17:32.04 | doohan | :D |
17:32.11 | doohan | darronb, ah great idea |
17:32.21 | doohan | Abyssul, that grin was because the servers are down :P |
17:32.40 | bpadalino | palm.com/rom to doctor |
17:32.50 | doohan | But I'll bookmark it for now so thanks |
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17:32.51 | Abyssul | Oh crap |
17:33.03 | Abyssul | google it and cache it |
17:33.12 | Abyssul | Works just as well |
17:33.21 | escapingjavert1 | does anyone know if the uinput module conflicts with super pre kernel in some way? |
17:33.37 | Abyssul | Question is why are you using SPK? |
17:34.12 | darronb | okay, I'm confused... what's the latest WebOS version for AT&T Pre Plus ? My phone's on 1.4.2, and the latest palm open source package set is 1.4.2... ? |
17:34.42 | doohan | darronb, what's the path to installed apps? |
17:35.26 | darronb | non palm apps, anyway: /media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications |
17:35.51 | doohan | nice one, cheers |
17:36.12 | escapingjavert1 | that looked like the best kernel when I got it, and allows for changing clock speed within the app |
17:36.37 | doohan | darronb, just a seg fault :( |
17:37.25 | darronb | ouch. well... sounds like it needs doctoring... :( ... unless you want to dig around in logs some more (which probably won't help in the end) |
17:37.50 | doohan | Yeah, I'll just try to do the doctoring |
17:37.55 | doohan | Will I lose everything if I do that? |
17:38.00 | doohan | Numbers and stuff? |
17:39.06 | darronb | supposedly contact info and palm-store-downloads are restored. homebrew usually needs to be reinstalled (although preware might trick it's way back on ?) |
17:40.07 | darronb | actually, i could have sworn that when I got my AT&T phone to replace a verizon one I used to have that the solitare game went right back to the game I was on on the old phone... could be going crazy, but I thought that's what happened |
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17:42.11 | darronb | (we need some better idle time games, too... *sigh* no sound, no loud mashing of keys... bathroom break at work kind of stuff) |
17:47.01 | Abyssul | darronb, jump oclock? |
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17:50.14 | darronb | hmm, i guess i'll try it. I tend to avoid pay games... maybe that's the main problem . :) also, i tend to avoid anything that refers to successful iPhone games I've played until I was sick of before I switched to Palm. (doodle jump) |
17:56.16 | darronb | I had a nokia in between the iPhone and Palm... that's what got me in the habit of ignoring pay games. the nokia platform has so many variants that many games don't work on the phone you have... I'd buy a game and it wouldn't run, etc. I stopped wanting tohave to deal with trying to get refunds, etc. |
17:56.42 | darronb | I'll start trying a few again. |
18:02.40 | darronb | abyssul: that's a pretty well done game. thanks for the referral. |
18:03.09 | darronb | referral, suggestion, whatever. :) |
18:03.12 | Abyssul | easy time killer |
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18:28.04 | doohan | Hmm |
18:28.14 | doohan | Remember when need for speed an monopoly were free |
18:28.15 | doohan | ? |
18:28.40 | doohan | Well now that i've doctored my phone it didn't seem to think I ever had them installed |
18:31.16 | darronb | huh. maybe palm could help you with that if you complain... ? sounds like a reasonable problem |
18:32.01 | doohan | My menus are also full of preware stuff but I can't remove them since they don't show up in the software manager |
18:32.11 | doohan | Any way out of that or do I have to install preware to do that? |
18:32.32 | doohan | On the plus side things are running again |
18:32.34 | darronb | hmm, square key + click on the app should let you delete it |
18:32.44 | doohan | Now I can play jump oclock that I just bought |
18:32.58 | doohan | Wow nice one darronb |
18:32.58 | darronb | if it's not in the software manager that might not (probably won't?) work |
18:33.23 | darronb | worked? |
18:33.26 | doohan | yup :) |
18:34.22 | doohan | Thanks for your help again |
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18:35.31 | techrush | i closed a preware card that seemed like it was hanging while installing an app, now when i open preware again it hangs on the "downloading feed information" screen |
18:35.34 | techrush | any ideas ? |
18:35.46 | swisstomcat | probably reboot |
18:35.53 | techrush | didnt help :/ |
18:35.56 | swisstomcat | :/ |
18:35.57 | darronb | preware server is down, right? |
18:36.09 | techrush | oh that would explain it :) |
18:36.10 | swisstomcat | they switched to the mirror server |
18:36.40 | darronb | .. then slow DNS propagation then maybe |
18:37.15 | techrush | ill just wait it out...if its still hanging this afternoon ill look into it again...thanks guys. for future reference is three somewher ei can check on the preware server status without bothering people here ? |
18:40.13 | darronb | I was about to say try browsing to ipkg.preware.org, but that and ipkg3.preware.org don't work. now two servers are gone? :) ... or is that not supposed to work? |
18:44.48 | Trident_ | <PROTECTED> |
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18:49.14 | fhfhfh | is preware down? |
18:50.32 | fhfhfh | hello? |
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18:55.06 | darronb | kind of looks like it... ? |
18:57.49 | swisstomcat | twitter.com/webosinternals |
18:57.56 | swisstomcat | posts updates |
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19:01.06 | wusaint | is the backup mirror down now too? I just got an error message :-( |
19:03.36 | swisstomcat | maybe it's overloaded |
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19:06.31 | dunivan | hey al |
19:06.41 | dunivan | l |
19:06.51 | dunivan | looking for how to use this feed: webos-kernels-testing |
19:07.22 | swisstomcat | have you checked the wiki (webos-internals.org)= |
19:07.24 | swisstomcat | ? |
19:07.55 | dunivan | wiki is down for me |
19:08.02 | swisstomcat | true |
19:08.12 | swisstomcat | better wait until everything is back up |
19:08.42 | dunivan | and when I update preware feeds I get a wget error and nothing loads other then themes in preware |
19:09.10 | wusaint | I just tried it again and it worked. maybe it's just getting overloaded |
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19:09.53 | dunivan | yeah, im trying to install my vkb with keyboss and uinput |
19:10.29 | dunivan | so I found the feed, i take it I should use for my os: 1.4.1 rather then 1.4.3 right? |
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19:22.20 | wusaint | ok it's hit and miss with the feeds probably 3 out of 5 times it works |
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20:45.35 | Gollyzila | Gosh darnit. wIRC keeps loginning in everytime my phone connects to wifi. All I do to disconnect is throw away the card. |
20:45.42 | Gollyzila | Not this time though |
20:53.38 | Robi_ | i think the fb app stays resident for some reason |
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21:16.30 | Robi_ | notifications.. |
21:25.02 | doohan | Guys any thoughts on why I can't install patches through preware? |
21:25.07 | doohan | It's downloading themn |
21:25.19 | doohan | fails at running luna-send -n 6 etc etc |
21:26.40 | doohan | other apps install fine |
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21:33.05 | doohan | got it sorted |
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22:21.40 | Tman | Python/ceval.c:2645: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault |
22:21.41 | Tman | o.o |
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22:54.24 | ProfJonathan | Anybody around to assist me with a really bizarre USB mode-related issue? |
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23:00.57 | JOE- | hello? |
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23:05.19 | dtzWill | Tman: o_O. python is a big PITA, i wish we didn't need it. can't trust host python, weirdness happens if we try to.... but AFAIK we don't actually try to use that python actually on the device, so it causing all the problems it does is unfortunate |
23:05.54 | rwhitby | do we have any mysql cluster data recovery experts in the house? |
23:06.12 | Tman | dtzWill: just using host python to generate some C code, it shouldn't be a problem.. |
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23:06.54 | darronb | rwhitby: err, that doesn't sound good |
23:07.02 | dtzWill | Tman: you'd think so, but it gives some "unable to find platform specific libraries" or similar when you try it, particularly on 64-bit builds iirc |
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23:07.16 | rwhitby | darronb: indeed |
23:07.23 | dtzWill | Tman: at the time we weren't able to get around it, but i'm all for revisiting that as needed |
23:08.03 | rwhitby | bbiab |
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23:09.32 | Tman_pre | dtzWill: well.. what python have we been using, exactly? |
23:10.00 | dtzWill | Tman_pre: just for the libxcb stuff iirc. someone might've added more that dep's on it, but that's it last time i checked (that's why I introduced python) |
23:10.06 | dtzWill | annoyingly it just needs it to build... |
23:10.48 | dtzWill | ah, people in different channel saying "the must be very nigh indeed... osuosl's file servers seem to be missing"... and i seemed to remember some discussion. |
23:10.51 | dtzWill | bummer :/ |
23:11.19 | dtzWill | good thing i responded in wrong channel, whoopsy. :) |
23:13.05 | Tman_pre | dtzWill: I meant.. what are we using to get it to build now? because whatever that is wasn't working for me |
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23:13.34 | dtzWill | Tman_pre: well we're just downloading the source and building it.... nothing super special unless i forgot something. |
23:13.46 | dtzWill | Tman_pre: no idea why you're getting your compiler internal error :( |
23:16.20 | Tman_pre | dtzWill: no that only happened once, it was fixed after that. |
23:16.56 | dtzWill | Tman_pre: oh. err, so is there a problem? |
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23:18.01 | Tman_pre | dtzWill: but in order to build that source, we need python to generate some of the C code. I think it always was using the host python to do that. I think SB2 was just messing it up so it couldn't find the python modules.. so I took that step out of scratchbox and it seems to work |
23:18.34 | dtzWill | Tman_pre: that sounds excellent. is that in your branch of mainline? |
23:18.59 | Tman_pre | dtzWill: mine, though it could be merged to master easily |
23:19.18 | dtzWill | Tman_pre: okay. well that certainly sounds good, and here's hoping it fixes the misc errors for people python's been causing. |
23:19.37 | dtzWill | Tman_pre: thanks, and sorry i didn't understand the situation. your solution sounds good and i look forward to it in mainline :) |
23:20.41 | dtzWill | Tman_pre: timeline on you finishing your work? No hurry at all, just would like us to be working together as much as possible, and so just curious :) |
23:20.46 | Tman_pre | haha ok. I was wondering if it was just me, sounds like not |
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23:21.29 | Tman_pre | dtzWill: ehe, well I think python was the big holdup. it's very close to being done I think |
23:21.35 | dtzWill | Tman_pre: no, python has been a pain since day 1. but since it works for *me*/autobuilder, and no one complained extra loud, it hadn't been fixerd |
23:21.41 | dtzWill | Tman_pre: excellent :D, good news. |
23:25.07 | Tman_pre | yup. if I can finish the staging-armv6 build we'll be good. I haven't tried any i686 yet but I can't see it being a huge problem |
23:27.32 | dtzWill | Tman_pre: multi-arch support is huge, excited to look at things when you're done :) |
23:28.54 | ka6sox | any mysql experts here? |
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23:28.58 | Tman_pre | dtzWill: I appreciate your enthusiasm :) |
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23:29.38 | dtzWill | Tman_pre: haha good :). *\o/* *\o/* go tman go *\o/* *\o/* |
23:29.39 | dtzWill | xD |
23:33.41 | Tman_pre | looks worriedly at ka6sox |
23:34.16 | ka6sox | ~lart mysql |
23:34.16 | infobot | nukes mysql with a single large nuke |
23:34.22 | ka6sox | perfect |
23:35.17 | Tman_pre | what happened? |
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23:42.38 | ka6sox | crashed and burned...the server won't come up and stay up. |
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23:43.04 | Tman_pre | so you can't get a dump? |
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23:43.59 | darronb | aren't there channels for mysql here? nobody's helping? |
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23:48.27 | ka6sox | darronb, not in 2+hrs of waiting patiently |
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