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| 01:25.50 | BeeRad | Seb_or_Sam: Yo. |
| 01:25.56 | Seb_or_Sam | aloha |
| 01:26.01 | Seb_or_Sam | what's up? |
| 01:26.25 | BeeRad | Chillin. |
| 01:26.40 | Seb_or_Sam | cool. |
| 01:27.15 | Seb_or_Sam | is the GPS patch working for you? |
| 01:27.28 | Seb_or_Sam | you're on a vzw pre so i thought i'd ask |
| 01:27.32 | Banger | hi folk |
| 01:27.34 | Seb_or_Sam | it's a little weird today |
| 01:27.50 | BeeRad | Nope. If fact, without sounding like a prick....NONE of the apps or patches have worked for me. |
| 01:28.07 | BeeRad | And further more....while Im on this vacation....Ive been using my GPS just fine. |
| 01:28.14 | Seb_or_Sam | BeeRad none? wait, how is that possible? |
| 01:28.39 | BeeRad | Kick Verizon Nav on first, then boot Google and Im golden. The other apps and patches have been making my experience WORSE, not better. Go figure. |
| 01:28.45 | Seb_or_Sam | i'm not blaming you now i;m asking how verizon screwed ip this bad |
| 01:29.05 | Seb_or_Sam | *up |
| 01:29.10 | Seb_or_Sam | wow |
| 01:29.13 | Seb_or_Sam | that's a bitch |
| 01:29.30 | BeeRad | I think this has been acting different for different people and its per device. I swear. |
| 01:29.31 | Seb_or_Sam | Verizon has a history of this stuff which just make me even angrier at them |
| 01:29.40 | uNiXpSyChO | VZ sux |
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| 01:29.45 | BeeRad | My old Pre's were different than this one. |
| 01:29.49 | Seb_or_Sam | I hate all carriers, but verizon just doesn't get better |
| 01:29.56 | Seb_or_Sam | you had sprint pre's? |
| 01:30.06 | BeeRad | No, just different Verizon Pre's. |
| 01:30.13 | Seb_or_Sam | oh |
| 01:30.17 | Seb_or_Sam | i'm still on my first |
| 01:30.33 | Seb_or_Sam | i never really thought of exchanging it. i mean, i know it's not gonna fix GPS |
| 01:30.46 | Seb_or_Sam | i just don't have hope I 'spose |
| 01:31.04 | Seb_or_Sam | Plus the Verizon reps are annoying |
| 01:31.20 | Seb_or_Sam | how many Pre's have you had? |
| 01:31.38 | BeeRad | Ive got no reason to tell a story, ya know. I dropped my first VZW Pre too many times, exchanged it, and then I got metal chips in my external speaker on my 2nd. |
| 01:31.43 | BeeRad | Im on my 3rd. |
| 01:31.53 | BeeRad | None were from build quality or GPS issues. |
| 01:31.59 | Seb_or_Sam | ah i see |
| 01:32.08 | BeeRad | I know the hardware isnt the greatest, but thats not the reason. |
| 01:32.09 | Seb_or_Sam | i've dropped mine more times than i can count |
| 01:32.24 | Seb_or_Sam | but the slider is the only think that's suffered, and it sucked to begin with |
| 01:32.25 | BeeRad | My screen/slider got hella janky after two drops. I couldnt take it. |
| 01:32.36 | Seb_or_Sam | i know how you feel |
| 01:32.55 | Seb_or_Sam | But I always knew the slider would be shitty |
| 01:33.03 | Seb_or_Sam | So I have low expectations |
| 01:33.19 | Seb_or_Sam | Plus, Verizon knows that I drop my phones |
| 01:33.25 | BeeRad | haha. |
| 01:34.02 | Seb_or_Sam | My last phone went in a lake... the one before that in a washing machine... the one before that I dropped on the street... |
| 01:34.19 | Seb_or_Sam | they probably have a file on me or something at this point |
| 01:34.20 | BeeRad | Verizon as a carrier for me......there is no other. It effin solid around here and its all the way out in rural areas where phones shouldnt even exist. |
| 01:34.33 | Seb_or_Sam | Agreed |
| 01:34.47 | BeeRad | I just have to put up with their BS. |
| 01:34.58 | Seb_or_Sam | Their service rocks, but they just throw in so much crap |
| 01:35.25 | Seb_or_Sam | yeah that's Verizon's problem. They're bullshit addicts. |
| 01:35.51 | Seb_or_Sam | I swear, they just keep finding ways to annoy their customers... it's like they're gambling on how annoyed people get. |
| 01:35.55 | BeeRad | Do you truly think that VZW will fix GPS with the 1.4.5.x? |
| 01:36.09 | Seb_or_Sam | I highly doubt it |
| 01:36.16 | Seb_or_Sam | but 1.4 fixed the keyboard |
| 01:36.24 | Seb_or_Sam | so one never knows |
| 01:36.27 | BeeRad | I think VZW is the Microsoft of carriers. The ship is too big to turn for little problems. |
| 01:36.36 | Seb_or_Sam | And it's leaking |
| 01:36.59 | Seb_or_Sam | I think you made a very good analogy. But then What's ATT? |
| 01:37.06 | BeeRad | Hmmm... |
| 01:37.16 | BeeRad | I have a slow CPU....please hold.... |
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| 01:37.22 | Seb_or_Sam | huh? |
| 01:37.28 | BeeRad | (thinking) |
| 01:37.31 | Seb_or_Sam | oh |
| 01:37.32 | Seb_or_Sam | sorry |
| 01:37.34 | BeeRad | lol |
| 01:37.41 | Seb_or_Sam | didn't get the reference for a sec |
| 01:38.00 | Seb_or_Sam | even though i do think of my brain in computing terms sometimes |
| 01:39.14 | BeeRad | ATT is the new old Verizon. Ive said that before. Theyre making mistakes like keeping Android from side loading. That sounds like something Verizon USED to do. |
| 01:39.28 | Seb_or_Sam | YES |
| 01:39.30 | Seb_or_Sam | Exactly |
| 01:39.41 | Seb_or_Sam | I remember you saying that on the palmcast |
| 01:39.47 | Seb_or_Sam | in the chat |
| 01:39.54 | BeeRad | yup |
| 01:40.02 | rwhitby | morning |
| 01:40.08 | Seb_or_Sam | ATT has just had 3 years of no control |
| 01:40.10 | BeeRad | Hey Rod! |
| 01:40.16 | Seb_or_Sam | with the iphone i mean |
| 01:40.19 | Seb_or_Sam | rod is here! |
| 01:40.23 | BeeRad | I missed the show man. I wanted to be there for your comments. |
| 01:40.35 | Seb_or_Sam | good show rod |
| 01:40.41 | rwhitby | It'll be in the podcast feed |
| 01:40.43 | Seb_or_Sam | why weren't you on video too? |
| 01:40.52 | rwhitby | video is too hard |
| 01:41.09 | BeeRad | Did rwhitby sing praises of BeeRad being such an awesome Alpha tester? :P |
| 01:41.09 | Seb_or_Sam | oh bandwidth? |
| 01:41.10 | uNiXpSyChO | rwhitby: uses dial-up internet |
| 01:41.13 | rwhitby | lag across the pacific and my poor upload speeds |
| 01:41.28 | Seb_or_Sam | haha unix |
| 01:41.34 | Seb_or_Sam | nice |
| 01:41.40 | Seb_or_Sam | oh i see |
| 01:41.45 | rwhitby | uNiXpSyChO: I was shaped to 64Kb/s for a couple of days last week in fact. |
| 01:41.56 | uNiXpSyChO | ouch!! |
| 01:42.01 | Seb_or_Sam | that's enough to give me a tumor |
| 01:42.06 | uNiXpSyChO | a stroke |
| 01:42.13 | Seb_or_Sam | i mean a stroke |
| 01:42.17 | Seb_or_Sam | that's the phrase |
| 01:42.23 | Seb_or_Sam | my mistake |
| 01:42.51 | en0x | 9lol |
| 01:42.58 | summatusmentis | I should setup the emulator again, re-acquaint myself with webos |
| 01:43.02 | BeeRad | Seb, are you OC'd? |
| 01:43.06 | Seb_or_Sam | Yep |
| 01:43.11 | Seb_or_Sam | 800 MHz this week |
| 01:43.14 | BeeRad | Which |
| 01:43.15 | summatusmentis | ummm... sorry, that was a non-sequitor |
| 01:43.16 | BeeRad | ah ok |
| 01:43.21 | en0x | quick question about the save packaage list |
| 01:43.23 | Seb_or_Sam | i'll go to 1 GHz next week |
| 01:43.24 | Seb_or_Sam | Uber |
| 01:43.30 | Seb_or_Sam | I usually stick to warthog |
| 01:43.40 | en0x | if i have some apps from that list installed or patched and the rest not will it reinstall the installed apps? |
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| 01:43.45 | en0x | when i do install all? |
| 01:43.49 | BeeRad | I went back to Thunderchief.... |
| 01:43.50 | Seb_or_Sam | But whenever a new kernel from unix is out i give it a try |
| 01:44.06 | Seb_or_Sam | Thunderchief is awesome |
| 01:44.20 | BeeRad | I wanted SR71 to work for me but its just been unstable as hell. Im too stupid to figure out why. |
| 01:44.31 | Seb_or_Sam | SR71 was not working for me |
| 01:44.39 | Seb_or_Sam | random restarts like crazy |
| 01:44.45 | BeeRad | YES |
| 01:44.54 | Seb_or_Sam | i uninstalled it but it was nice while it lasted in terms of speed |
| 01:45.13 | Seb_or_Sam | I mean, I know clock speed isn't everything but 1.2 GHz is crazy fast |
| 01:45.22 | Seb_or_Sam | but the instability was too much |
| 01:45.26 | BeeRad | I would go to load Preware......reboot. lol |
| 01:45.33 | Seb_or_Sam | hahaha |
| 01:45.46 | BeeRad | 1.2GHz is crazy fast man. I *love* it. |
| 01:45.50 | Seb_or_Sam | always at the right time |
| 01:45.59 | BeeRad | I want it to work because the heat was never an issue and neither was battery life. |
| 01:46.13 | Seb_or_Sam | heat wasn't an issue for me either |
| 01:46.17 | Seb_or_Sam | i'm surprised by that |
| 01:46.27 | Seb_or_Sam | but the battery life was |
| 01:46.34 | Seb_or_Sam | rebooting every minute |
| 01:46.39 | Seb_or_Sam | runs down battery life |
| 01:46.42 | Seb_or_Sam | ;) |
| 01:46.50 | BeeRad | Ok, it wasnt every minute. |
| 01:46.58 | Seb_or_Sam | ok, not every mintue |
| 01:46.59 | BeeRad | But more than I liked. |
| 01:47.08 | Seb_or_Sam | every 20 minutes at worst |
| 01:47.24 | Seb_or_Sam | but it was always at the most inconvenient times |
| 01:47.30 | BeeRad | Disclaimer: Im not complaining, just commenting. |
| 01:47.35 | Seb_or_Sam | it was always when I wanted to look something up |
| 01:47.41 | Seb_or_Sam | Same here |
| 01:47.57 | Seb_or_Sam | I don't want to complain either |
| 01:48.16 | BeeRad | I just want people in Internals to know what we're seeing. |
| 01:48.25 | Seb_or_Sam | Same here |
| 01:48.39 | BeeRad | If memory serves correct, even the Android crowd was seeing some instability at 1.2GHz. |
| 01:49.03 | Seb_or_Sam | On the Evo right? |
| 01:49.08 | uNiXpSyChO | an Evo which is a 1gig CPU cant handle 1.2gig... a same |
| 01:49.11 | BeeRad | So if unixpsycho and the crew and get it stable, then they have achieved something that they havent. For sure. |
| 01:49.14 | uNiXpSyChO | and i have one |
| 01:49.20 | BeeRad | No, on the Droid. |
| 01:49.21 | Seb_or_Sam | I never learned much about overclocking on android besides the EVO |
| 01:49.29 | BeeRad | With the OMAP 3430 |
| 01:49.43 | Seb_or_Sam | figures. OMAP is in the pre too |
| 01:49.46 | uNiXpSyChO | some Droids can handle 1.3gig |
| 01:49.49 | Seb_or_Sam | but not the pixi i think |
| 01:50.04 | Seb_or_Sam | uNiXpSyChO Woah! |
| 01:50.08 | Seb_or_Sam | That's nuts |
| 01:50.28 | BeeRad | unixpsycho: Is it stable, or does it just work? |
| 01:50.29 | uNiXpSyChO | i tried 1.4 on my chuck norris Pre... didnt likeit AT ALL. |
| 01:50.34 | tmzt | evo isn't omap |
| 01:50.49 | BeeRad | I wasnt talking EVO tmzt |
| 01:50.55 | uNiXpSyChO | it isnt stable at 1.3 from what i read |
| 01:50.58 | BeeRad | I was talking about OCing the Droid. |
| 01:51.13 | Seb_or_Sam | BeeRad was talking about the original Droid, not the Evo |
| 01:51.14 | BeeRad | I dont think the Droids are any more stable at 1.2 than we are. |
| 01:51.25 | BeeRad | Its hit or miss. |
| 01:51.27 | Seb_or_Sam | oh BeeRad said it already |
| 01:51.41 | Seb_or_Sam | Interesting |
| 01:51.43 | BeeRad | Seb_or_Sam haha thanks. |
| 01:51.55 | Seb_or_Sam | BeeRad You're welcome :D |
| 01:52.16 | Seb_or_Sam | This might sound crazy but why doesn't someone try putting a tiny fan in a Pre? |
| 01:52.20 | Seb_or_Sam | To cool it a bit |
| 01:52.41 | Seb_or_Sam | You'd need to sacrifice a USB port though |
| 01:52.50 | Seb_or_Sam | or the touchstone's microUSB connection |
| 01:52.54 | BeeRad | 1.005GHz has been pretty rock solid for me. Ive always been a fan of Thunderchief. Isnt it funny how 200MHz changes everything? |
| 01:53.33 | Seb_or_Sam | BeeRad Yeah. I wish 200 MHz was as noticeable as it is on phones on a computer |
| 01:53.56 | BeeRad | Not doubt. lol |
| 01:54.11 | BeeRad | No* |
| 01:54.25 | Seb_or_Sam | I can't tell the difference between a core 2 duo at 2.16 GHz and a 2.2G GHz but I can tell the difference between 500 and 600 MHz. Insane. |
| 01:54.44 | Seb_or_Sam | Intel Core 2 Duo not AMD |
| 01:54.52 | Seb_or_Sam | just a clarification |
| 01:55.00 | BeeRad | unixpsycho: So have plenty of other testers been reporting instability so far with SR71? |
| 01:55.30 | uNiXpSyChO | there are very few that run sr71 sucessfully |
| 01:55.43 | BeeRad | Im running 3GHz Core2 Quad at home. I cant believe how in a year its a dinosaur. |
| 01:56.31 | Seb_or_Sam | BeeRad I'm on a 2.2 GHz C2D |
| 01:56.34 | Seb_or_Sam | MacBook Pro |
| 01:56.54 | egaudet | 3ghz quad is a dinosaur? |
| 01:56.58 | BeeRad | unixspycho: So is it something that you're still working on or is it pretty much DOA? |
| 01:57.04 | Seb_or_Sam | The processor isn't bad but the 2 gigs of DDR3 is annoying |
| 01:57.11 | egaudet | what the heck do you run |
| 01:57.24 | BeeRad | egaudet: Compared to getting twin hex cores now from Dell etc? Yes. |
| 01:57.25 | BeeRad | lol |
| 01:57.34 | egaudet | lol |
| 01:57.47 | Seb_or_Sam | unixpsycho: Is SR71 better on Plus's or Sprint Pre's? Just out of curiousity. |
| 01:57.48 | BeeRad | I edit and render HD video all the time. |
| 01:58.11 | Seb_or_Sam | BeeRad Ah that explains it |
| 01:58.15 | egaudet | well i personallyh would probably not notice |
| 01:58.22 | uNiXpSyChO | from what i saw it doesnt matter... a Pre or a Pre+ act the same. |
| 01:58.31 | egaudet | brb |
| 01:58.56 | Seb_or_Sam | unixpsycho: That makes sense. I just thought the compache swapping would eat some extra power on the sprint pre |
| 01:59.18 | uNiXpSyChO | otherway around... compcahe would save power |
| 01:59.26 | BeeRad | I notice every little frequency change and RAM change when Im messing with HD content. |
| 01:59.33 | Seb_or_Sam | oh nice! |
| 01:59.56 | Seb_or_Sam | I don't know much about compache so i'm just using my experience with swap on linux haha |
| 02:00.09 | Seb_or_Sam | BeeRad how much ram do you have? |
| 02:00.18 | BeeRad | HAHA |
| 02:00.21 | BeeRad | Guess. |
| 02:00.21 | BeeRad | You'll be shocked |
| 02:00.29 | Seb_or_Sam | A 2nd mortgage worth |
| 02:00.32 | Seb_or_Sam | 16 gigs |
| 02:00.40 | BeeRad | LOL |
| 02:00.41 | Seb_or_Sam | 32 |
| 02:00.44 | BeeRad | Try 4 |
| 02:00.48 | Seb_or_Sam | 4? |
| 02:00.51 | BeeRad | Yup. |
| 02:00.52 | Seb_or_Sam | I'd kill for 4 |
| 02:00.56 | Seb_or_Sam | I have 2 |
| 02:01.00 | Seb_or_Sam | 2 gigs off DD3 |
| 02:01.03 | Seb_or_Sam | *DDR3 |
| 02:01.17 | Seb_or_Sam | It's a fucking pain |
| 02:01.32 | BeeRad | 4 actually does me ok. Sony Vegas Pro uses the hell out of the CPU and then RAM. It doesnt use any GPU at all. Its crazy. |
| 02:01.32 | Seb_or_Sam | excuse the cursing |
| 02:01.50 | Seb_or_Sam | no GPU??? Why? |
| 02:02.39 | BeeRad | More power in the CPU. Only some 3rd party color correction software will use GPU during render. |
| 02:02.57 | BeeRad | Sony leverages multi threads better than any other NLE. |
| 02:03.03 | Seb_or_Sam | That's kind of a waste. Sony... I don't have any experience with their laptops. |
| 02:03.09 | BeeRad | It would use all 12 cores in the new CPU's. |
| 02:03.17 | Seb_or_Sam | hahaha |
| 02:03.31 | BeeRad | Most NLE's are stuck at 2 cores still. |
| 02:03.31 | Seb_or_Sam | 12 cores would be insane |
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| 02:03.51 | Seb_or_Sam | NLE? |
| 02:03.59 | BeeRad | Non Linear Editing |
| 02:04.02 | Seb_or_Sam | oh |
| 02:04.21 | BeeRad | Even iMovie is NLE. |
| 02:04.30 | Seb_or_Sam | the new iMovie? |
| 02:04.35 | Seb_or_Sam | not iMovie HD |
| 02:04.40 | BeeRad | It basically means non destructive movie editing. |
| 02:04.54 | Seb_or_Sam | oh you mean it works on changes in seperate files |
| 02:04.58 | Seb_or_Sam | and preserves originals |
| 02:05.07 | Seb_or_Sam | like photos in picasa or iphoto |
| 02:05.11 | BeeRad | Yes. |
| 02:05.19 | Seb_or_Sam | Oh that makes sense |
| 02:05.20 | BeeRad | NLE is just the geek term |
| 02:05.37 | Seb_or_Sam | Hey geekiness is what I live for |
| 02:05.43 | Seb_or_Sam | I'm all for geeking out ;) |
| 02:05.49 | BeeRad | Heck yeah. |
| 02:05.55 | BeeRad | So now you know what NLE is. |
| 02:06.02 | Seb_or_Sam | But NLE sounds pretty recourse intensive |
| 02:06.06 | Seb_or_Sam | Yep. Thanks. |
| 02:06.11 | BeeRad | Nah. |
| 02:06.14 | Seb_or_Sam | Wouldn't it kill an SSD? |
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| 02:06.19 | BeeRad | FCP is an NLE. |
| 02:06.25 | Seb_or_Sam | All that space... |
| 02:06.52 | Seb_or_Sam | All SSDs I've used are small so I forget that there are 128 gig SSDs |
| 02:06.55 | Seb_or_Sam | haha |
| 02:06.57 | Seb_or_Sam | ah |
| 02:07.05 | Seb_or_Sam | FCP= final cut pro? |
| 02:07.08 | BeeRad | SSD's could hold the OS and the NLE just fine. You just couldnt host the editing files there. They would have to be on a separate drive. |
| 02:07.13 | BeeRad | FCP yes. |
| 02:07.23 | Seb_or_Sam | Never used FCP |
| 02:07.26 | Seb_or_Sam | i've used express |
| 02:07.32 | Seb_or_Sam | and I've used logic |
| 02:07.35 | Seb_or_Sam | but never FCP |
| 02:07.41 | BeeRad | Express is ok. Its pretty good. |
| 02:07.48 | BeeRad | Its a Mini Me of FCP. |
| 02:07.49 | BeeRad | lol |
| 02:08.09 | Seb_or_Sam | hahaha yep |
| 02:08.16 | Seb_or_Sam | that's how apple works with the pro suites |
| 02:08.25 | Seb_or_Sam | logic pro and logic express |
| 02:08.35 | Seb_or_Sam | shake has pro and express too i think |
| 02:08.39 | BeeRad | Im a PC, Sony, Panasonic guy. Only Apple product I have is an iPt. |
| 02:09.07 | Seb_or_Sam | I'm a mac and linux guy, but I know my way around windows 7 and *grumbles* vista |
| 02:09.28 | Seb_or_Sam | Do you run OS X on a hackintosh? |
| 02:09.36 | Seb_or_Sam | hackintoshing is the best |
| 02:09.42 | BeeRad | Nope. No Apple. |
| 02:09.47 | Seb_or_Sam | Why? |
| 02:09.51 | BeeRad | Not hate, just no Apple. |
| 02:09.55 | BeeRad | Havent had a need too. |
| 02:09.57 | Seb_or_Sam | Oh ok |
| 02:10.06 | Seb_or_Sam | That's understandable. |
| 02:10.06 | BeeRad | The "simple" garbage doesnt sit with me. |
| 02:10.16 | Seb_or_Sam | I know what you mean |
| 02:10.20 | BeeRad | I never had issues with Vista or 7. Ever. |
| 02:10.31 | Seb_or_Sam | I switch between OS X and Ubuntu mainly |
| 02:11.05 | BeeRad | Vista needed power and I always had it. Vista was put on underpowered hardware and it was horrific. |
| 02:11.21 | Seb_or_Sam | Yes but people only bought underpowered hardware |
| 02:11.39 | BeeRad | I know! |
| 02:11.42 | Seb_or_Sam | Becuase cheap is how MS makes their money |
| 02:11.52 | BeeRad | It was sad that it NEEDED that horsepower. |
| 02:12.00 | BeeRad | But its true. |
| 02:12.02 | Seb_or_Sam | True |
| 02:12.18 | Seb_or_Sam | Agreed. |
| 02:12.40 | Seb_or_Sam | Microsoft isn't normally in the business of releasing OSes that require a new PC |
| 02:12.52 | BeeRad | Think Internals is getting pissed that we're using their IRC for personal chat? lol |
| 02:13.05 | Seb_or_Sam | Yeah you're probably right |
| 02:13.08 | Seb_or_Sam | idk |
| 02:13.13 | Seb_or_Sam | are they? |
| 02:13.33 | BeeRad | rwhitby would smack us if we were I suppose. |
| 02:13.35 | BeeRad | lol |
| 02:13.38 | Seb_or_Sam | haha true |
| 02:14.32 | Seb_or_Sam | Bill Gates always felt like he had an obligation to people with old hardware so every new release of Windows was pretty good on older PCs. But Vista changed that. And no one liked it. |
| 02:15.22 | Seb_or_Sam | I mean Bill gates personally- I heard that on TWiT a few week back. It was one of the big differences between Apple and MS for a long time. |
| 02:15.24 | BeeRad | I ran Vista on a 2.66GHz quad with 3gig of RAM from the very beginning. So I had no issues. LOL |
| 02:15.30 | Seb_or_Sam | Hahaha |
| 02:15.46 | Seb_or_Sam | I know people who tried to run it on 512 MB of RAM |
| 02:15.50 | BeeRad | UGH! |
| 02:15.55 | Seb_or_Sam | Yep |
| 02:15.55 | BeeRad | OMG. |
| 02:15.58 | BeeRad | lol |
| 02:16.14 | Seb_or_Sam | hey, my brother's MacBook has 512 MB of RAM and it runs Leopard just fine |
| 02:16.26 | Seb_or_Sam | Leopard came out the same time as Vista |
| 02:16.29 | BeeRad | Doesnt OSX run good on older hardware though. |
| 02:16.38 | Seb_or_Sam | Not always |
| 02:16.39 | BeeRad | Seems Apple is always behind the hardware curve. |
| 02:16.46 | Seb_or_Sam | Apple loves outdating users actually |
| 02:16.51 | tmzt | they've been ahead too |
| 02:16.52 | Seb_or_Sam | No not always |
| 02:16.54 | BeeRad | I mean they got core i7 way behind the PC realm |
| 02:17.11 | Seb_or_Sam | you mean way after? |
| 02:17.24 | BeeRad | Yeah after, Behind... |
| 02:17.36 | Seb_or_Sam | yeah but most people don't need core i7. Macs are expensive as is :D |
| 02:17.37 | BeeRad | They held onto C2D forever. |
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| 02:17.45 | BeeRad | They skipped C2Q altogether. |
| 02:17.46 | Seb_or_Sam | agreed |
| 02:18.03 | Seb_or_Sam | No Mac Pros had them I thought |
| 02:18.10 | BeeRad | Nope |
| 02:18.11 | BeeRad | Dual Xenons |
| 02:18.17 | Seb_or_Sam | ah |
| 02:18.18 | BeeRad | True 8 core |
| 02:18.26 | Seb_or_Sam | yeah |
| 02:18.41 | BeeRad | Ive only been a nerd for 2 years now. But man its bad now..... |
| 02:18.48 | Seb_or_Sam | hahaha |
| 02:19.14 | Seb_or_Sam | I've been a geek/nerd for... |
| 02:19.19 | Seb_or_Sam | I don't know actually |
| 02:19.24 | BeeRad | lol |
| 02:19.51 | BeeRad | How old are you man? |
| 02:20.05 | Seb_or_Sam | I think I knew I was a geek when I got a macworld subscription... I was 13 then? |
| 02:20.15 | Seb_or_Sam | Guess |
| 02:20.28 | rwhitby | BeeRad: we don't smack immediately, we just note it for later ;) |
| 02:20.54 | BeeRad | Aww man. See Seb_or_Sam....told ya.. |
| 02:21.00 | BeeRad | lol |
| 02:21.05 | Seb_or_Sam | BeeRad haha |
| 02:21.11 | BeeRad | We're trolls now. |
| 02:21.15 | BeeRad | Dammit. |
| 02:21.17 | Seb_or_Sam | haha oh great |
| 02:21.25 | Seb_or_Sam | just what the internet needs more of :P |
| 02:21.54 | BeeRad | These guys just speak in code tongue. We just bring personality back to the mix. haha |
| 02:21.57 | BeeRad | :) |
| 02:22.03 | Seb_or_Sam | haha |
| 02:23.11 | Seb_or_Sam | We probably should chat over IM instead of IRC... no need to face the wrath of rwhitby :P |
| 02:23.26 | Seb_or_Sam | no offense rod, it's all in good fun :D |
| 02:23.50 | BeeRad | rwhitby has no wrath.....he just runs a tight ship. |
| 02:24.15 | Seb_or_Sam | I know I'm just kidding |
| 02:24.25 | Seb_or_Sam | tight ship? I wouldn't say that. |
| 02:24.55 | BeeRad | Then...? |
| 02:25.20 | Seb_or_Sam | what? |
| 02:25.37 | BeeRad | If not a tight ship, then what? |
| 02:26.02 | Seb_or_Sam | Oh, I thought that was kind of a put down... |
| 02:26.12 | Seb_or_Sam | Or at best a backhnded compliment |
| 02:26.17 | BeeRad | Noooo |
| 02:26.29 | BeeRad | Tight ship means he keeps things in order and doesnt put up with BS. lol |
| 02:26.42 | BeeRad | I think its a Navy thing?? |
| 02:26.50 | BeeRad | Ive got nothing..... lol |
| 02:26.52 | Seb_or_Sam | I guess |
| 02:26.56 | Seb_or_Sam | haha :D |
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| 02:42.47 | iWinRar | hey guys |
| 02:44.15 | rwhitby | g'day iWinRar |
| 02:45.11 | BeeRad | Outta hear guys. Sorry for hijacking the IRC earlier. Take care... |
| 02:45.19 | BeeRad | here |
| 02:45.50 | iWinRar | Having a good day rod? |
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| 03:01.22 | MerlinMM | anyone know if there's an easy way to check the status of your patches in next release? |
| 03:01.56 | MerlinMM | I'm holding off on 1.4.5 because I don't want to lose my patches. |
| 03:02.22 | MerlinMM | can I confirm if they've been ported without checking one by one? |
| 03:02.25 | rwhitby | MerlinMM: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.5/ |
| 03:02.42 | rwhitby | any that aren't -0 at least build against 1.4.5 |
| 03:03.01 | MerlinMM | the version end? |
| 03:03.06 | MerlinMM | got it. thanks. |
| 03:03.28 | MerlinMM | by the way Rod. |
| 03:03.28 | MerlinMM | THANKS. |
| 03:03.42 | MerlinMM | you make having a WebOS phone rock! |
| 03:04.32 | halfhalo1 | thats because he cheats |
| 03:05.08 | haeffb | I'm amazed he can do anything, standing upside down all day. |
| 03:05.43 | rwhitby | haeffb: don't you mean all night? |
| 03:05.53 | MerlinMM | oh, right, that's why he's on at 11pm at night (me, I have no excuse). |
| 03:06.28 | rwhitby | So, who'd like a 1GHz UberKernel? |
| 03:07.05 | MerlinMM | seriously? |
| 03:07.05 | MerlinMM | without overheating? |
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| 03:09.58 | MerlinMM | rwhitby: um, I can't see the version # on my pre at that web page... how about a compatibilty screen in Preware? is preware open source? (need I ask). git I assume. |
| 03:10.14 | rwhitby | git.webos-internals.org |
| 03:10.15 | dhf | After placing in developer mode, how do I run quick install? |
| 03:10.30 | rwhitby | dhf: http://install.preware.org/ |
| 03:11.15 | rwhitby | MerlinMM: you can get in with terminal and edit the feed location from 1.4.1 to 1.4.5 and then preware will show you all the 1.4.5 ones |
| 03:11.27 | rwhitby | it will set it back to 1.4.1 on each reboot though |
| 03:11.42 | MerlinMM | rwhitby: clever. |
| 03:12.08 | MerlinMM | will try that |
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| 03:48.15 | halfhalo1 | oh… my… god... |
| 03:48.28 | halfhalo1 | my mother just got a blackjack II through her work... |
| 03:48.38 | Kyutwo | lol ancient |
| 03:48.51 | halfhalo1 | It took me 45 minutes to turn bluetooth on |
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| 03:48.59 | Kyutwo | I remember I still had my Treo when Blackjack II came out |
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| 03:53.23 | tmzt | halfhalo: why so long? |
| 03:53.37 | halfhalo1 | Couldnt find the setting |
| 03:53.52 | tmzt | ah |
| 03:55.56 | Robi_ | rwhitby: any thoughts on having some webapps install like openappmkt.com? |
| 03:57.52 | halfhalo1 | wait, what? why did my alter ego sign on? |
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| 04:58.09 | halfhalo | RUN |
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| 08:17.21 | xheti | xheti |
| 08:17.29 | xheti | i have problem in my palm pre |
| 08:17.47 | halfhalo_T400 | and? |
| 08:18.00 | xheti | i have do erase |
| 08:18.14 | xheti | and now it want to create profil |
| 08:18.16 | xheti | account |
| 08:18.45 | halfhalo_T400 | And? Just login to your previous account. |
| 08:18.54 | xheti | i try to config gprs but not succes |
| 08:19.00 | xheti | i dont have |
| 08:19.19 | xheti | its europian |
| 08:20.05 | xheti | can u helpme in this bro |
| 08:20.36 | swisstomcat | hmm |
| 08:20.43 | halfhalo_T400 | soo... why can't you make a new profile? |
| 08:20.52 | ka6sox-work | is this unit a unlocked unit? |
| 08:21.00 | swisstomcat | in which country are you? |
| 08:21.00 | xheti | need internet connection thats right |
| 08:21.13 | xheti | i m in kosovo |
| 08:21.19 | xheti | yes its unlocked |
| 08:21.51 | xheti | have com from germany |
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| 08:22.44 | ka6sox-work | from 02? |
| 08:22.59 | xheti | i m not sure but i think so |
| 08:23.06 | swisstomcat | yeah, probably an unlocked german o2 device |
| 08:23.33 | xheti | but hase com unlocked i put my sim and hase acept |
| 08:25.01 | xheti | i have install in it some app and hase restarting itself sometime |
| 08:25.27 | xheti | and i conect via wifi |
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| 08:26.02 | xheti | internet and it hase say you need to restart your device |
| 08:26.21 | xheti | after that it say restart just or erase all |
| 08:27.10 | ka6sox-work | oh, wow...don't know about that. |
| 08:27.12 | ka6sox-work | sorry |
| 08:27.37 | halfhalo_T400 | Is this something I can blame oil for? |
| 08:27.50 | ka6sox-work | nope...sorry. |
| 08:28.02 | halfhalo_T400 | awwww |
| 08:30.09 | halfhalo_T400 | I need more ice. |
| 08:30.27 | halfhalo_T400 | Which, sadly, is not code for anything but solid water |
| 08:31.21 | ka6sox-work | xheti, I wish we could be more help you might also ask in #webos |
| 08:32.01 | ka6sox-work | halfhalo_T400, sadly, they don't have the formula for that in .eu |
| 08:32.51 | swisstomcat | we don't get the "put ice in our beverage to water it down" thing here |
| 08:33.15 | halfhalo_T400 | Makes it cooold |
| 08:33.29 | halfhalo_T400 | and who said anything about beverage |
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| 08:33.37 | halfhalo_T400 | I just like to eat ze ice |
| 08:34.00 | swisstomcat | xheti: i did not see any other kosovo users on precentral |
| 08:34.44 | xheti | sorry |
| 08:34.47 | xheti | i have back |
| 08:35.04 | xheti | yes i m new user in precentral |
| 08:35.23 | xheti | i have my palmpre 1 month |
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| 08:35.55 | xheti | and i havent know it ask for profil after eras |
| 08:36.33 | xheti | is ther any way to do that via wifi |
| 08:38.48 | swisstomcat | you would have to use meta-doctor to do that |
| 08:39.13 | swisstomcat | it skips first activation and allows you to create/login to a profile over wifi |
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| 08:45.41 | hh-stlnstuff | I sell you cars cheap! |
| 08:46.19 | xheti | aha ok |
| 08:46.30 | xheti | wher can download it |
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| 08:51.26 | hh-stlnstuff | There is a ladp helicopter circling my neighborhood |
| 08:52.23 | swisstomcat | xheti: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor |
| 08:52.30 | rwhitby | as long as it's not an ldap helicopter you should be fine |
| 08:52.47 | swisstomcat | heh |
| 08:53.06 | swisstomcat | guess you were selling your cars to the wrong people :) |
| 08:53.08 | hh-stlnstuff | its almost 2 in the morning and the searchlight is on |
| 08:53.12 | hh-stlnstuff | not gun |
| 08:53.14 | hh-stlnstuff | fun |
| 08:53.16 | rwhitby | if an ldap chopper catches you, you'll get slap'd around |
| 08:53.24 | hh-stlnstuff | well, a little gunny |
| 08:53.36 | xheti | thx at all brothers |
| 08:53.59 | rwhitby | doesn't even get a "heh" for his directory services joke :( |
| 08:54.10 | hh-stlnstuff | I have ldap hate today |
| 08:54.20 | hh-stlnstuff | due to windowsmobile |
| 08:54.53 | swisstomcat | rwhitby: if they were funny :) |
| 08:55.05 | hh-stlnstuff | is cwazy again |
| 08:55.12 | rwhitby | swisstomcat: I got two lol!'s in another channel |
| 08:55.48 | swisstomcat | get back to work instead of collecting lol's ;) |
| 08:56.02 | swisstomcat | which reminds me of ... |
| 08:56.02 | rwhitby | work? |
| 08:56.07 | hh-stlnstuff | I need a laserpointer |
| 08:56.15 | swisstomcat | or bazooka |
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| 08:56.38 | swisstomcat | goes back to his account/calendar library |
| 08:57.36 | hh-stlnstuff | goes back to muttering at the walls |
| 08:58.28 | ka6sox-work | wonders when his laserpointer light will arrive @ mars. |
| 09:00.18 | hh-stlnstuff | fedex's laserpointer to mars |
| 09:01.57 | hh-stlnstuff | and.... there goes to cop cars |
| 09:02.46 | ka6sox-work | I know it takes about 3minutes to get to Venus |
| 09:05.06 | hh-stlnstuff | fedex is faster |
| 09:05.38 | ka6sox-work | wonders if they only make right turns to get to Venus. |
| 09:06.04 | hh-stlnstuff | yup. but they spin pn a dime. literally |
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| 09:35.03 | josh__ | hey I'm using govnah rigt now and I'm trying to change profiles but after I click another profile, it goes back to the hmepage and nothings changed.what am I doing wrong? |
| 09:35.17 | rwhitby | what kernel are you using/ |
| 09:35.36 | josh__ | uberkernal for pre+ |
| 09:36.08 | rwhitby | are you seeing temperatures displayed on the govnah front page? |
| 09:36.53 | josh__ | no |
| 09:37.09 | josh__ | what patches am I supposed to install |
| 09:38.00 | rwhitby | reboot your device |
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| 09:38.09 | rwhitby | oh, what did you use to install uberkernel? |
| 09:38.57 | josh__ | device restart? |
| 09:39.48 | josh__ | Sorry my pre is not rendering the irc chat correctly, and I ant really read the text |
| 09:40.14 | rwhitby | josh__: what did you use to install UberKernel? |
| 09:40.57 | josh__ | preware |
| 09:41.34 | rwhitby | josh__: it should have asked you to reboot your device after it installed the kernel - did you say "Yes"? |
| 09:42.05 | josh__ | it told me to do a luna restart after I installed both govnah and the kernal |
| 09:42.48 | rwhitby | hmm - it should have popped up a window saying that you need to reboot the device, with "Yes" and "Later' buttons |
| 09:42.57 | rwhitby | Reboot, not Luna Restart |
| 09:43.26 | josh__ | oh, should I uninstall govnah and the kernal from preware? |
| 09:45.20 | josh__ | Or rebooting the device now work? |
| 09:46.02 | rwhitby | you should always install from Preware, and always reboot when it tells you to |
| 09:46.18 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 09:46.52 | josh__ | I've learned my lseeon... But what should I do now? |
| 09:47.08 | josh__ | I'll restart, just for the heck of it. |
| 09:47.12 | josh__ | bbl |
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| 09:51.32 | Josh__ | hey |
| 09:51.40 | Josh__ | I'm back |
| 09:52.06 | Josh__ | restarted my device, it's workin like a charm! |
| 09:52.23 | Josh__ | THANKS FOR YOUR NON EXIESTIENT HELP! |
| 09:52.27 | ka6sox-work | soak, rinse, repeat! |
| 09:52.32 | ka6sox-work | nn...enjoy |
| 09:52.42 | Josh__ | ty |
| 09:52.53 | Josh__ | you're up early. |
| 09:53.00 | Josh__ | it's 252AM. |
| 09:53.02 | Josh__ | BYBYE |
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| 12:09.25 | Fritzens1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:10.32 | swisstomcat | it's only after 8am in new york and 5am in san francisco :) |
| 12:11.49 | Fritzens1 | And the other 113 Peoples in the Room, as shown to the right? And the Europeans? So wie wir einer? |
| 12:12.09 | swisstomcat | haven't seen metaview yet |
| 12:12.19 | swisstomcat | he's german and he has submitted patches |
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| 12:12.51 | Fritzens1 | Okidoki, werde am Abend nochmals reinschauen. Dank und schönen Tag noch.... |
| 12:14.30 | en0x | Fritzens1: there is a website for submitting patches |
| 12:17.53 | Fritzens1 | yet, sure. But ... where? Can you give me the Link? Haven't find some till now. |
| 12:18.53 | swisstomcat | egaudet's website? |
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| 12:19.25 | swisstomcat | this one? |
| 12:19.26 | swisstomcat | http://patches.webos-internals.org/ |
| 12:19.31 | swisstomcat | meow nt4cats |
| 12:19.36 | nt4cats | 'lo swissy |
| 12:23.56 | Fritzens1 | Bingo! thx Swisstomcat |
| 12:27.55 | Fritzens1 | It's so easy if you have the right link. It's done, now waiting to be published. |
| 12:28.04 | swisstomcat | :) |
| 12:28.13 | Fritzens1 | Maybe there will come some more patches from me...? Let's see. |
| 12:28.51 | Fritzens1 | so, muß nun wieder mal was arbeiten. Grüazi in die Schweiz. |
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| 17:00.30 | Anivrom | how do I navigate to the source of a given application on my phone? |
| 17:01.06 | egaudet | cd |
| 17:01.38 | egaudet | has no website |
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| 17:15.43 | halfhalo_pre | tsktsktsk |
| 17:16.04 | Robi- | looks like the email app needs a patch to save attachemnts you choose to d/l to /media/internal vs /var/..../random bucket/etc |
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| 17:41.53 | dex_pre | hello |
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| 18:07.11 | Robi- | at work? |
| 18:07.18 | Robi- | must be the creative process |
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| 18:26.22 | en0x | [; |
| 18:26.25 | en0x | work suck |
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| 19:02.55 | techrush | is there anyway to make the gui more responsive on a pixi ? i've tried uberkernel and enabling compcache and it still lages scrolling through pages sometimes even with no apps open |
| 19:04.08 | chrisa | CPU isn't going to do much for it, pixi's bottleneck is memory |
| 19:04.46 | techrush | yea thats why i thought maybe compcache would help ...it does handle multi tasking a bit better now |
| 19:04.54 | en0x | actually pixi ain't that slow as ppl say |
| 19:04.57 | techrush | so its just a hardware issue basically ? |
| 19:05.09 | swisstomcat | pixi plus is probably a bit better |
| 19:05.12 | swisstomcat | with more memory |
| 19:05.15 | chrisa | I use pixi for day to day use and I don't really notice much in the way of stuttering or such |
| 19:05.17 | en0x | yeah i got the pixi plus |
| 19:05.18 | swisstomcat | how much compcache did you reserve? |
| 19:05.24 | techrush | 24mb |
| 19:05.35 | swisstomcat | try with less (e.g 16mb) |
| 19:05.38 | techrush | ok |
| 19:06.09 | chrisa | Pixi has the same amount of memory between + and not |
| 19:06.15 | chrisa | It's the internal flash that is larger |
| 19:06.20 | swisstomcat | really? |
| 19:06.28 | techrush | i just get annoyed when i try to scroll to the next page over and it lags when i have no apps open |
| 19:06.29 | swisstomcat | i thought that the pixi plus had 512mb ram as well |
| 19:06.34 | chrisa | no, it does not |
| 19:06.37 | techrush | its like the phone cant run the gui even in its default state |
| 19:06.38 | swisstomcat | oh :( |
| 19:06.55 | chrisa | Pixi and Pre have the same amount of memory, the issue is that the pixi modem takes up more than the pre |
| 19:07.00 | chrisa | So there is some swapping in play at times |
| 19:07.03 | swisstomcat | yeah, i read that |
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| 19:10.03 | swisstomcat | i actually like the physical build quality of the pixi better than the pre |
| 19:10.32 | en0x | me too |
| 19:10.56 | techrush | me too |
| 19:11.04 | swisstomcat | let's hope for a bigger pixi with at least pre innards/resolution |
| 19:11.06 | en0x | i got pre plus for my bro in poland |
| 19:11.10 | techrush | hope the next webos phone gets it right :| |
| 19:11.45 | swisstomcat | e.g 320x480 for the pixi and 640x960 for the new device |
| 19:12.32 | chrisa | pixi utilizes things like universal search app launching then |
| 19:12.42 | chrisa | *better |
| 19:12.43 | techrush | none of the android phones in the pixi's price range can run android worth a poop either so i geuss its fair |
| 19:13.04 | chrisa | hey, pixi runs pretty well all things considered |
| 19:13.24 | chrisa | Look at the 7x27 android chipset devices |
| 19:13.51 | chrisa | They're largely a deadend and not upgradeable. You'll be getting every improvement on pixi still |
| 19:14.06 | techrush | yea |
| 19:14.20 | en0x | so even if we reach webos 2.0 pixi will still get updates? |
| 19:14.28 | techrush | yea im sure |
| 19:14.33 | chrisa | I'm running the current dev build on a pixi |
| 19:14.44 | en0x | gimmie |
| 19:14.44 | en0x | ;d |
| 19:14.45 | swisstomcat | 2.0 should use *less* memory |
| 19:14.52 | swisstomcat | with trident |
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| 19:15.00 | swisstomcat | or whatever it was called |
| 19:15.10 | techrush | yea if they make it faster it would be nice |
| 19:15.20 | techrush | iOS got progressively faster until v3.0+ |
| 19:15.24 | techrush | then it started getting slower |
| 19:15.43 | en0x | it's slower on older iphones |
| 19:15.48 | en0x | but it's faster on new one :p |
| 19:16.34 | swisstomcat | i ran my apps at 640x960 and they looked great |
| 19:16.51 | en0x | u should run them at 1920x1080 |
| 19:17.45 | swisstomcat | i don't even expect a tablet to run at that resolution |
| 19:18.02 | swisstomcat | and i don't see webos on a netbook type device |
| 19:18.31 | en0x | oki |
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| 19:22.35 | en0x | it would be neat if i could add a postscript printer to my pre |
| 19:22.40 | en0x | so i could print from it ;) |
| 19:23.42 | swisstomcat | i'm sure they'll add something ... when they add webos to printers |
| 19:25.02 | en0x | and also i want to program my electric toster with my cellphone |
| 19:25.02 | en0x | ;d |
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| 20:46.46 | reed | hi all |
| 20:47.13 | reed | is there any good mapping app for webos? |
| 20:47.28 | reed | mapping is not the right term ... |
| 20:47.39 | reed | navigation app, that's what I mean |
| 20:47.45 | reed | google maps sucks on webos |
| 20:48.06 | ka6sox-work | have you looked @ navit? |
| 20:49.24 | reed | ka6sox-work, not yet ... will look at it now |
| 20:50.17 | reed | cannt find it in app catalog ... where should I look for? |
| 20:51.49 | ka6sox-work | do you have preware? |
| 20:53.29 | illadelphatic | speaking of navit, how are the US maps? are they comparable with telenav maps? |
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| 20:59.18 | reed | ka6sox-work, not yet |
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| 21:00.51 | halfhalo_class | Grrr |
| 21:00.53 | ka6sox-work | reed its in there..dunno what feed. |
| 21:00.59 | halfhalo_class | stupid pre's fs ir readonly |
| 21:01.05 | reed | the thing is, I don't understand what preware is |
| 21:01.17 | ka6sox-work | ~preware |
| 21:01.25 | ka6sox-work | ~getpreware |
| 21:01.32 | halfhalo_class | dundunDUN |
| 21:01.34 | ka6sox-work | kicks infobot. |
| 21:01.56 | reed | !preware |
| 21:01.57 | ka6sox-work | ~get_preware |
| 21:02.10 | halfhalo_class | infobot FAIL |
| 21:02.11 | infobot | somebody said fail was YOU FAIL. |
| 21:02.17 | ka6sox-work | ~infobot needs to wake up |
| 21:02.18 | DigitalNight | http://www.preware.org/#/index/ |
| 21:02.20 | reed | infobot, preware? |
| 21:02.22 | halfhalo_class | ~preware |
| 21:02.35 | reed | got it now, thanks :) |
| 21:02.47 | ka6sox-work | looks in topic and finds it. |
| 21:02.56 | halfhalo_class | I blame ka6sox-work for infobots failings |
| 21:03.01 | ka6sox-work | goes back to mumbling @ the kernel |
| 21:03.04 | illadelphatic | lol |
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| 21:29.48 | Sledge007 | hidey ho anyone here? Never used this before |
| 21:31.56 | illadelphatic | so I am trying to unzip a .zip file on my pre using unzip in terminal but I get an error about unknown zip magic or something. anyone know what causes this? |
| 21:33.27 | Sledge007 | no not sure about the unzipping sorry I'm having some trouble locating navit through the testing feeds even though I already have them installed |
| 21:36.07 | illadelphatic | it is in the webos-internals feed |
| 21:38.47 | illadelphatic | do you have webos version 1.4.5? |
| 21:39.26 | Sledge007 | I have that installed... Both the .all and the armv7 |
| 21:40.18 | illadelphatic | in preware, select list of everything and type navit. |
| 21:40.23 | Sledge007 | yes 1.4.5 |
| 21:41.08 | Sledge007 | really hard to read with all this blue writing everywhere |
| 21:41.10 | Sledge007 | . |
| 21:41.11 | Sledge007 | . |
| 21:41.22 | Sledge007 | there now I can see |
| 21:41.53 | Sledge007 | I have preware v 1.2.6 |
| 21:42.18 | illadelphatic | have you tried typing navit in list of everything? |
| 21:42.32 | datafirm | you can search on the home screen as well. |
| 21:42.42 | datafirm | preware home screen |
| 21:42.57 | illadelphatic | cool, never knew that |
| 21:43.26 | Sledge007 | still shows up nothing and I'm running uberkernel 1G |
| 21:44.08 | Sledge007 | I have the test feeds ending in all as well as armv7 |
| 21:44.43 | illadelphatic | if you tap on available applications and then tap feeds at the bottom, how many apps show up in webos -internals feed? |
| 21:45.05 | Sledge007 | 2 secs |
| 21:45.25 | illadelphatic | I don't believe it is in a testing feed...just the webos-internals feed |
| 21:46.05 | Sledge007 | shows 61 for me |
| 21:46.24 | illadelphatic | hmm, I have 72 |
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| 21:47.32 | halfhalo_class | god... |
| 21:47.50 | halfhalo_class | I am literally writing stuff down on paper from a mysql ent db because this app sucks so much |
| 21:47.57 | Sledge007 | I've tried couple reboots and couple reupdating feeds but still nothing on the app so not sure where to go next |
| 21:48.53 | illadelphatic | do you have the feed: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all |
| 21:49.20 | Sledge007 | I'm sure I do but ill check again |
| 21:49.30 | illadelphatic | as well as /armv7 |
| 21:50.11 | halfhalo_class | dies |
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| 21:50.20 | Sledge007 | got both |
| 21:51.50 | illadelphatic | are you using wIRC on your pre? they should be in the same feed...but I am kinda stumped |
| 21:52.50 | Sledge007 | I just found this through help on preware...short answer I'm on my phone :) |
| 21:53.35 | Sledge007 | what's the url for my computer? |
| 21:54.59 | illadelphatic | search for wIRC in preware |
| 21:55.02 | Mercury | Sledge007: How did you manage 1.4.5? |
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| 21:56.29 | Sledge007 | ok I'm leaving here and brb on my desktop |
| 21:56.38 | Sledge007_ | here i am |
| 21:56.46 | Sledge007_ | what were you asking about 1.4.5 |
| 21:57.01 | Sledge007_ | how did i find it? |
| 21:57.24 | illadelphatic | yeah I think that's what he was asking |
| 21:57.54 | Sledge007_ | i dunno just found it in an update about 3 weeks ago...Bell Mobility, Canada |
| 21:58.29 | Sledge007_ | pretty much an uneventful update...aside from the ....wait for it .........3 whole brand new 3D games....rather boring so farrr |
| 21:58.36 | Sledge007_ | lol |
| 21:59.51 | illadelphatic | so what do you see when you tap available pkgs-->applications-->feeds at the bottom-->webos internals-->all |
| 22:00.34 | Sledge007_ | there's 30 available there |
| 22:00.49 | Sledge007_ | JsTop is at the top of the list |
| 22:00.56 | illadelphatic | no navit anywhere? |
| 22:00.59 | Sledge007_ | nope |
| 22:01.30 | illadelphatic | when was the last time you tried update feeds in the preware dropdown menu? |
| 22:01.36 | Sledge007_ | last week mode switcher this month haxe demo |
| 22:01.42 | Sledge007_ | couple of times today |
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| 22:02.08 | illadelphatic | is wIRC in that list? |
| 22:02.12 | Sledge007_ | followed by a couple of resets just in case |
| 22:02.15 | Sledge007_ | i see that there |
| 22:04.18 | Sledge007_ | supertux, luna manager, wirc, zcorder, myflashlight!, netstat, a bunch of QT titles and so on |
| 22:04.39 | illadelphatic | well wIRC is awesome...but I have no idea why navit isn't there |
| 22:05.33 | Sledge007_ | you use it on your phone? i was for a bit through the preware help but found it a little messed up with all the names that are over there -------> |
| 22:05.57 | illadelphatic | have you downloaded the emergency fstab fixer? |
| 22:06.15 | illadelphatic | yeah its a client for your pre. its great |
| 22:06.41 | Sledge007_ | i already checked that through terminal and got the unmask = 00000 |
| 22:07.16 | illadelphatic | ok |
| 22:08.13 | Sledge007_ | i had already d/l ed that ...supposedly a fix for vba and stella atari 2600 emulators, but that didn't seem to fix those problems, perhaps I have some faulty roms or something cause everytime I tried those, they just kept locking up |
| 22:08.32 | Sledge007_ | and then rebooting my phone |
| 22:08.56 | illadelphatic | so just to be clear, you have webos-internals feeds and webos-internals testing feeds? |
| 22:09.10 | Sledge007_ | that would be correct |
| 22:10.38 | rwhitby | ~testing-feeds |
| 22:10.47 | rwhitby | ~testing-feed |
| 22:10.48 | infobot | [testing-feed] a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
| 22:11.10 | rwhitby | infobot: testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
| 22:11.11 | infobot | rwhitby: okay |
| 22:11.29 | Sledge007_ | that's right, 2 feeds under webos-internals...../all and /armv7 and another feed titled test-feed |
| 22:11.47 | rwhitby | wonders why people don't just give that link as the first response, and then let the other person work it out from there ... |
| 22:11.58 | halfhalo_class | because infobot brokked earlier |
| 22:12.09 | Sledge007_ | i'll check that out but pretty sure i've gone over that page about 10 times already....i'll let you know |
| 22:12.25 | Sledge007_ | as i thought |
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| 22:12.34 | rwhitby | http://install.preware.org is not so hard to remember either ... |
| 22:12.36 | Sledge007_ | that's the same page i've looked at 10 times today |
| 22:12.39 | Sledge007_ | lol |
| 22:13.04 | Sledge007_ | but what i'm saying is....i have those already loaded as feeds in my preware |
| 22:13.29 | illadelphatic | thanks rod. any idea what is up with unzip giving magic number errors when I try to unzip a compressed .ipk? |
| 22:13.30 | rwhitby | Then you've made some mistake somewhere, and having people here try to help is not going to be much use. Remove everything and start again, and don't make a typo this time. |
| 22:13.49 | Sledge007_ | ok thanks rod :) |
| 22:13.55 | rwhitby | illadelphatic: why would you try and unzip an ipk? |
| 22:14.11 | illadelphatic | it is compressed as a .zip |
| 22:14.23 | rwhitby | not according to unzip ;) |
| 22:14.57 | illadelphatic | lol, maybe I will try changing the file extension... |
| 22:16.13 | rwhitby | I doubt that will change the result. Linux tools aren't dumb enough to trust file extensions. |
| 22:16.44 | rwhitby | what's the ipk? |
| 22:17.06 | illadelphatic | it is frizzle beta |
| 22:17.53 | Sledge007_ | omg....haha ...i figured it out |
| 22:18.14 | Sledge007_ | i've absorbed a LOT of info in the last month |
| 22:18.23 | illadelphatic | I downloaded it with my pre, changed the filename in internalz and tried to unzip in terminal |
| 22:18.59 | illadelphatic | congrats sledge |
| 22:19.02 | Sledge007_ | apparently, FYI, "test-feed" does not work as a title to the feed |
| 22:19.15 | Sledge007_ | thanks for putting up with me :) |
| 22:19.32 | Sledge007_ | sometimes this is like brain surgery for dummies |
| 22:21.24 | halfhalo_class | I has patch idea |
| 22:21.32 | illadelphatic | its here: http://forums.precentral.net/attachments/homebrew-apps/49858d1280755982-frizzle-beta-tester-needed-com.lieblsoftware.frizzlebeta_1.0.2_all.zip |
| 22:22.45 | Sledge007_ | ok before i go, there's something I noticed about the Govnah, not sure if this is the right place for it, just an observation, not a question |
| 22:23.57 | Sledge007_ | I thought that when you did a reboot, you had to manually go back into Govnah and change your freq's to whatever setting you wanted, that they went back into "stock" mode...mine for some reason always comes back to the 1GHz |
| 22:25.04 | halfhalo_class | ok, can someone remind me what the command is to mount the fs as rw |
| 22:25.17 | Mercury | mount -o remount,rw / |
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| 22:28.28 | halfhalo_class | awww, look who finally showed up |
| 22:29.35 | rwhitby | Sledge007_: Govnah has had sticky profiles for some time now. |
| 22:29.53 | halfhalo_class | omg... nano fail. Can't use enter key |
| 22:30.14 | illadelphatic | ok so my ubuntu pc was able to extract that .zip file just fine |
| 22:30.33 | oilsworkn | is shocked |
| 22:30.58 | illadelphatic | ok, so why couldn't unzip extract it? |
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| 22:32.04 | oilsworkn | didn't mean to imply he knew what was going on |
| 22:32.11 | halfhalo_class | shocker |
| 22:32.40 | illadelphatic | I guess its a mystery... |
| 22:34.14 | oilsworkn | guesses professor plum in the library with the candlestick |
| 22:34.23 | halfhalo_class | nope |
| 22:34.24 | halfhalo_class | pipe |
| 22:34.28 | oilsworkn | lead pipe? |
| 22:34.30 | oilsworkn | gah |
| 22:35.03 | halfhalo_class | its always the pipe. Or the .45 Magnum. |
| 22:35.26 | halfhalo_class | hehehehe |
| 22:35.42 | halfhalo_class | disabled the transparent background in the systemui menu |
| 22:36.47 | oilsworkn | thinks halfhalo_class should get back to working on wirc xD |
| 22:36.57 | halfhalo_class | Shoulda coulda woulda |
| 22:37.10 | halfhalo_class | Right now I'm just tinkering with stuff due to class |
| 22:37.14 | oilsworkn | nothings been pushed in 12 days! |
| 22:38.03 | oilsworkn | and that was only because i copied some code to preware and noticed bugs and pushed the fixes back to wirc xD |
| 22:42.05 | oilsworkn | notices preware in new palmcast image |
| 22:42.19 | halfhalo_class | oilsworkn: http://pastie.org/1076199 |
| 22:42.21 | halfhalo_class | happy? |
| 22:42.34 | Sledge007_ | ok thanks rod, again just an observation :) |
| 22:42.51 | oilsworkn | a little bit |
| 22:43.01 | oilsworkn | message it to "oil" so i will see it at home |
| 22:43.13 | halfhalo_class | gah |
| 22:43.16 | oilsworkn | :) |
| 22:43.45 | halfhalo_class | The other stuff Im doing to is aint finished |
| 22:43.49 | halfhalo_class | but its putyful |
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| 22:45.22 | halfhalo_class | and makes the user list more interesting with more info |
| 22:45.36 | egaudet | oilsworkn, get bip |
| 22:46.25 | oilsworkn | is too lazy to bother setting that all up |
| 22:46.45 | halfhalo_class | heh, i have that setupish on my server |
| 22:46.49 | oilsworkn | oh, guy just walked in with massive cellphone headset |
| 22:47.06 | oilsworkn | like, over the top of his head, ear-to-ear, with a boom mic |
| 22:47.16 | oilsworkn | lolol |
| 22:47.41 | oilsworkn | egaudet: are you using bip? |
| 22:48.21 | egaudet | yes |
| 22:48.45 | egaudet | and it's much better than what I used to do |
| 22:48.49 | oilsworkn | how does it handle multiple connections? |
| 22:48.53 | halfhalo_class | oh snap |
| 22:48.58 | halfhalo_class | node can do this easy |
| 22:49.02 | egaudet | how? as in technical details? |
| 22:49.16 | egaudet | you can connect from multiple devices at the same time just fine |
| 22:49.32 | oilsworkn | yeah, i didnt mean how |
| 22:49.34 | oilsworkn | more, if it did |
| 22:50.14 | halfhalo_class | Now I wanna make a node one.... purely because if would be fun |
| 22:50.17 | egaudet | I have bip running on my main machine, and connect to it from other machines |
| 22:50.36 | egaudet | (as well as connect to it from my main machine's xchat when I'm on it) |
| 22:50.40 | oilsworkn | really needs to fix up his linux box |
| 22:50.45 | egaudet | so great to see all of the backlog wherever I go |
| 22:51.01 | egaudet | brb |
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| 23:01.36 | jhojho_ | bip works well |
| 23:01.47 | jhojho_ | when I can get to my bip proxy |
| 23:01.53 | jhojho_ | but not so well with wirc 024 |
| 23:02.47 | PuffTheMagic | yea yea |
| 23:02.53 | PuffTheMagic | get your self 145 |
| 23:07.20 | jhojho_ | still waiting |
| 23:09.03 | ka6sox-work | waiting on What? |
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| 23:23.49 | halfhalo_pre | pie |
| 23:23.57 | halfhalo_pre | imma makenodeircproxy |
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| 23:25.33 | halfhalo-srv | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:29.07 | halfhalo_pre | :/ stupid ipad crashed |
| 23:32.00 | Anivrom | I thought apple and crash were impossible to use in the same sentence? Kinda like a universal constant of nature |
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