| 00:00.14 | boboysdadda | oil: its not allowing me to select upberkernel-default. do i need to reboot for it to work properly? |
| 00:00.29 | oil | govnah only allows you to make changes |
| 00:00.40 | oil | uberkernel is a seperate package |
| 00:00.43 | oil | that replaces your kernel |
| 00:00.49 | oil | with one that has more options for govnah to change |
| 00:01.04 | boboysdadda | ok so i need to get uberkernel then |
| 00:01.20 | oil | yes |
| 00:02.30 | boboysdadda | ok ty. last time i o-clocked it was with one of the original methods that required me to use the command line util in WQI |
| 00:02.56 | rwhitby | yeah, you don't want to use those. |
| 00:03.43 | rwhitby | and if you ever did an OTA update with one of those installed, you'll likely still have detritus on your device as a result and should doctor it. |
| 00:03.54 | rwhitby | (the person who packaged them did not do a very good job of it) |
| 00:03.54 | boboysdadda | new phone today last one the silent switch went haywire. ext speaker was horrible and earpiece speaker worked less then never |
| 00:04.54 | boboysdadda | now its just a matter of getting all the patches i want ed installed |
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| 00:05.47 | halfhalo | THAT was interesting |
| 00:06.23 | boboysdadda | so can anyone recomend settings to set in govnah to get the best performance out of it? |
| 00:06.48 | oil | people seem to like screenstate |
| 00:07.07 | boboysdadda | go from the 165 to the 1ghz |
| 00:07.08 | boboysdadda | ? |
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| 00:13.44 | boboysdadda | what is a safe limit for cpu hightemp reset in govnah? |
| 00:13.56 | rwhitby | the default |
| 00:14.12 | boboysdadda | it has the alarm at 55c and the reset at 50c |
| 00:14.16 | rwhitby | correct |
| 00:14.19 | boboysdadda | isn't that backwards? |
| 00:14.24 | rwhitby | no |
| 00:14.26 | boboysdadda | shouldn't alarm come before reset? |
| 00:14.35 | rwhitby | no |
| 00:15.05 | boboysdadda | maybe i misunderstand exactly what those mean then |
| 00:15.33 | egaudet | yes the terms aren't completely intuitive |
| 00:15.43 | rwhitby | reset is the temperature at which the clamping unlocks |
| 00:16.35 | boboysdadda | don't know what clamping means. but i thought it meant a force reset of phone |
| 00:18.11 | rwhitby | no |
| 00:18.30 | rwhitby | at 55 it clamps the freq to 500MHz, at 50 it unclamps |
| 00:18.56 | boboysdadda | ah ok |
| 00:19.04 | boboysdadda | now it makes sense to me |
| 00:19.45 | boboysdadda | is compressed cache useful? |
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| 00:29.37 | chrisA | rwhitby: did you get whatever it was resolved? |
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| 00:39.26 | rwhitby | chrisA: I swapped a radio board between two Pixi Plus devices |
| 00:39.50 | rwhitby | the IMEI stayed, but all other tokens went with the radio board. It was a bit counter-intuitive. |
| 00:40.23 | rwhitby | I ended up swapping them back, since it would probably break the app catalog access on both unless I changed the IMEI |
| 00:41.07 | rwhitby | (I don't think I can change the IMEI via the tokens configuration in Trenchoat) |
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| 00:52.03 | chrisA | Once you start toying with the radio boards I politely bow and back away with a look of horror |
| 00:52.10 | chandler | I'd bet that the IMEI is stored in OTP bits on the processor |
| 00:52.52 | rwhitby | yeah, I found http://www.palm.com/us/assets/pdfs/Pixi_Disassembly_%20Instructions.pdf which shows the other processor under the radio board |
| 00:53.55 | rwhitby | has an unlocked .eu GSM German Pixi Plus, activated in the US on AT&T, and an unlocked .us GSM Pixi Plus, activated in the US on AT&T. |
| 00:54.11 | rwhitby | unfortunately, the German one is a QWERTZ keyboard |
| 00:54.33 | rwhitby | I was hoping to swap the keyboards, and was looking to swapping radio boards and tokens as an easier shortcut |
| 00:54.56 | rwhitby | but the tokens and user-accessible filesystem moved with the radio board, which freaked me out. |
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| 00:56.16 | ShadeS | an english speaking nation came up with computers so it's only fair all other nations conform to qwerty ;) |
| 00:57.45 | ka6sox-work | ShadeS, but there is qwertz too. |
| 00:58.14 | SineOt | that's real interesting that they have the take apart instructions just kind of hanging out in the open like that, rwhitby |
| 00:58.24 | SineOt | you type on the two of them much at all? |
| 00:58.32 | ShadeS | yes I know |
| 00:58.34 | rwhitby | SineOt: that will be for environmental reasons |
| 00:58.57 | rwhitby | some countries require manufacturers to publish material recovery guides for recycling purposes |
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| 01:00.24 | SineOt | interesting |
| 01:00.34 | SineOt | but yeah, do you type much on them? |
| 01:00.51 | SineOt | my two Pixis have both had the left keyboard LED die on them, and I'm curious how widespread of an issue it is |
| 01:01.56 | rwhitby | My main device is a Pre Plus. |
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| 01:02.45 | ka6sox-work | likes his pixi-plus |
| 01:02.54 | ShadeS | I don't know h ow much I like my pre |
| 01:02.58 | ShadeS | I think I liked my palm 700 better |
| 01:03.01 | chrisA | I would like pixi more if I didn't know so much about it |
| 01:03.14 | ShadeS | I liked how each message was time stamped, instead of the new ifonestyle sms/instant messaging |
| 01:03.20 | chrisA | Any time it has any sort of error or hiccup my mind jumps to "augh, _____" |
| 01:04.14 | SineOt | I know that c_c; |
| 01:04.21 | SineOt | so you basically never type on either of them? |
| 01:04.33 | ShadeS | what? |
| 01:04.59 | ka6sox-work | chrisA, I'm an Audio Engineer/Producer so I have a hard time listening to Music without critiquing it. |
| 01:05.35 | SineOt | ShadeS: you know, you can patch that so each message is time stamped |
| 01:06.41 | ShadeS | it's a shame that functionality isn't out-of-the-bo |
| 01:06.47 | ShadeS | like the p700 was |
| 01:06.54 | ShadeS | SineOt: what do I do to patch this? |
| 01:07.01 | ShadeS | ka6sox-work: how long have you been doing audio engineering |
| 01:07.09 | ShadeS | because I'm considering going back to school for that |
| 01:07.22 | ka6sox-work | ShadeS, about 25yrs |
| 01:07.22 | ShadeS | although I don't really need a piece of paper to tell me I know how to twist knobs and sliders on a mixer |
| 01:07.26 | SineOt | in Preware, it's under Patches>Messaging>Time Stamps Clean |
| 01:09.21 | ShadeS | in preware i don't see patches |
| 01:09.34 | ShadeS | i see preferences update feeds manage feeds install package saved package list luna manager and help |
| 01:09.50 | rwhitby | http://install.preware.org/ |
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| 01:11.07 | ShadeS | I installed preware though... |
| 01:11.10 | ShadeS | Did I do it wrong? |
| 01:14.47 | SineOt | you're looking at the app menu, lol |
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| 01:22.46 | ShadeS | i don't see patches in the main window |
| 01:29.01 | ShadeS | what did I do wrong? |
| 01:29.02 | ShadeS | haha |
| 01:30.42 | rwhitby | what things in the main window have you tapped so far to look for it? |
| 01:31.42 | ShadeS | the top left |
| 01:31.47 | ShadeS | and all packages |
| 01:31.55 | ShadeS | and I typed in patches to see if I needed to get something to display that.. |
| 01:33.35 | ShadeS | it's updating now.. |
| 01:33.39 | ShadeS | new preware version |
| 01:37.39 | ShadeS | yeah I definitly don't see patches anywhere.. |
| 01:38.06 | SineOt | it'd be under Available Packages from the screen I think you're on |
| 01:38.14 | ShadeS | oh |
| 01:38.15 | ShadeS | ok |
| 01:39.19 | ShadeS | alright |
| 01:39.27 | ShadeS | what do I need to do to start programing stuff for my pre |
| 01:40.08 | ShadeS | is there a typical hello world tutorial for this? |
| 01:40.32 | chrisA | At this point you probably want #webos |
| 01:41.37 | rwhitby | http://developer.palm.com/ |
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| 01:46.23 | ShadeS | ok |
| 01:46.45 | ShadeS | I signed up for that ages ago for cobalt or whatever |
| 01:46.52 | ShadeS | I dont' know if I remember any of my info anymore |
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| 01:57.50 | DougReeder | waves hello |
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| 02:13.38 | rwhitby | DougReeder: g'day |
| 02:14.50 | ShadeS | hey |
| 02:14.58 | ShadeS | I'm trying to bookmark a stream but I can't |
| 02:15.00 | ShadeS | any ideas? |
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| 02:59.35 | solix | hola! :) |
| 03:23.22 | dtzWill | anyone here use/try supernes? |
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| 03:25.44 | DougReeder | Sorry, I'm not a console gamer. Actually, I'm not much of a gamer at all. :-S |
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| 03:31.30 | dtzWill | DougReeder: no worries :). |
| 03:31.53 | dtzWill | looking to submit to app cat soon and hoping to chat with someone who's used it to try to see if it's ready :) |
| 03:32.23 | DougReeder | What's your app? |
| 03:32.31 | dtzWill | DougReeder: supernes :) |
| 03:32.48 | dtzWill | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/260717-supernes-snes-emulator.html etc |
| 03:32.50 | DougReeder | Ah, it's now clear. |
| 03:35.08 | dtzWill | :) |
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| 05:25.39 | dtzWill | supernes, cryptk's app (i can't remember wtf it's called/spell it), supertux |
| 05:26.21 | dtzWill | ...i forgot where i was going with that |
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| 05:35.35 | TheSavaLord | so what's new |
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| 11:01.45 | hape_ | Hi, what is a normal value for Load average in Govnah when no card is open? |
| 11:02.43 | hape_ | I have the problem that the Pre is not loading on the Touchstone from time to time (mostly when the battery is below 40%) and tryto find the problem. |
| 11:02.55 | hape_ | I epect a map app is srtill running |
| 11:35.16 | hape_ | load average is most of the time 0.26 0.41 1.33 |
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| 14:41.04 | Nalum | hello all, I have a palm pre and was wondering if there was a way to bypass the requirement for a sim card, not using it as a phone so I don't need a sim card |
| 14:44.46 | boboysdadda | Nalum: i believe u need to buy a german pre that is unlocked |
| 14:45.14 | boboysdadda | but i don't know nearly as much as half the people in this room. |
| 14:45.24 | boboysdadda | just what i read from forums |
| 14:46.27 | Nalum | ah, i see, thanks boboy |
| 14:46.46 | boboysdadda | http://blog.rebelsimcard.com/palm-pre-unlocked-from-o2-and-working-on-any-networkfor-voice-data-and-3g.htm |
| 14:46.52 | boboysdadda | there is that |
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| 14:50.21 | Nalum | cool thank you |
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| 17:22.02 | vxvx | Hi. So, I'm one of the sorry Verizon customers who is getting f'd over by Verizon refusing to update WebOS. Subsequently, I can't run any new apps on my Pre Plus. Is there any way I can force install a new WebOS update or is there too much carrier-specific information in the updates? |
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| 18:58.12 | jhojho | egaudet oil ping |
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| 19:13.17 | egaudet | hi |
| 19:13.32 | egaudet | I can't see who's pinging, name is in bright yello |
| 19:14.59 | drnull | it was jhojho |
| 19:15.21 | jhojho | egaudet: lol you need wirc 030 |
| 19:15.39 | drnull | we were curious about some drpodder-hb/preware exception line in the log |
| 19:15.46 | jhojho | egaudet: I was telling drnull about your comments re that palminitFramework error |
| 19:16.05 | jhojho | 2010-09-08T23:03:50.233856Z [612] palm-webos-device user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: org.webosinternals.preware: Error: EXCEPTION [infoLoad#parse (com.drnull.drpodder-hb)], (SyntaxError): "Unexpected identifier", palmInitFramework347:2527 |
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| 19:23.28 | egaudet | jhojho: I'm on irssi not wirc :P |
| 19:23.40 | halfhalo | even more phail |
| 19:23.56 | egaudet | oil said that was most likely something off in the feed json |
| 19:24.31 | drnull | so more related to the precentral feed than appinfo.json? |
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| 19:24.52 | Mercury | Hrm, screenstate at 125/800 seems to be chewing through batteries like mad. |
| 19:25.07 | ka6sox-work | which kernel? |
| 19:25.29 | Mercury | UberKernel |
| 19:25.39 | egaudet | drnull: I assume so yeah |
| 19:28.39 | Xacto01 | any possibility that uberkernal for pixi can go over 600? |
| 19:29.03 | Xacto01 | any development on pixi uberkernal? |
| 19:29.23 | Mercury | tries the uberkernel default profile. |
| 19:29.38 | ka6sox-work | Mercury, I'd try warthog as it might give you better battery life |
| 19:29.57 | Mercury | ka6sox-work: Still reasonably safe? |
| 19:30.08 | Mercury | (As much as uberkernel is, anyhow.) |
| 19:30.09 | egaudet | 500/1000 is fine for me |
| 19:30.12 | ka6sox-work | I've not had any problems with it in a month) |
| 19:30.28 | Xacto01 | 1ghz is fine with battery for me |
| 19:30.31 | egaudet | I wouldn't set it slow with screen off |
| 19:30.43 | egaudet | maximize your idle! :P |
| 19:30.47 | ka6sox-work | Mercury, I've got it on both the pre and the pixi with no problems |
| 19:31.17 | ka6sox-work | also...the Pre/Pixi do race to Idle so slower might not be necessarily less power. |
| 19:31.32 | Mercury | Hmm. |
| 19:31.56 | ka6sox-work | would be a good curve to look @ |
| 19:32.09 | jhojho | yes to pixi kernel dev |
| 19:32.13 | jhojho | no to overclocking |
| 19:32.19 | jhojho | tried. crashed and burned |
| 19:32.22 | oil | jhojho: the source json is busted |
| 19:32.36 | oil | either from feed, or status file, or control file, or wherever we load it |
| 19:32.36 | halfhalo | blames oil |
| 19:32.40 | oil | no |
| 19:32.47 | oil | well |
| 19:32.48 | oil | yes |
| 19:32.56 | oil | the fact you see the exception and preware doesn't crash is totally my fault |
| 19:32.58 | oil | you're welcome |
| 19:33.01 | jhojho | you can try an overclocked pixi kernel |
| 19:33.06 | jhojho | http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/wos/uImage-pixi <--- gsm pixi |
| 19:33.16 | halfhalo | gives oil a cookie |
| 19:33.23 | Xacto01 | overclocked pixi to what? fastest right now is 600 right? |
| 19:33.25 | jhojho | http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/wos/uImage-pixi-sprint <--- sprint |
| 19:33.29 | ka6sox-work | Mercury, part of the problem is all the logging and powerd waking up a LOT. |
| 19:33.31 | jhojho | try membooting it. |
| 19:33.34 | jhojho | it doesnt work for me |
| 19:33.49 | jhojho | I think it was to 960mhz |
| 19:34.14 | jhojho | thats the next jump available based on the pll clocks |
| 19:34.21 | Mercury | ka6sox-work: What is powerd doing when it's awake? |
| 19:34.51 | ka6sox-work | since its a palm thing I don't know everything. |
| 19:35.20 | Mercury | ka6sox-work: And where is the warthog kernel hiding? I see the Delta Dagger one from the warbird series, but nothing else aside from the UberKernel and the stock Palm kernel. |
| 19:36.14 | ka6sox-work | its in testing |
| 19:36.30 | ka6sox-work | but I've been using them for both pre and pixi. |
| 19:36.47 | Mercury | nods. |
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| 19:42.00 | jhojho | bbl |
| 19:42.09 | jhojho | let me know if those pixi kernels boot |
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| 20:24.18 | PuffTheMagic | sup people |
| 20:31.16 | xcomp_ | sup puff |
| 20:31.19 | halfhalo | no se ingles |
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| 21:25.48 | Error454 | Is anyone here familiar with the usbtest module? |
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| 21:28.06 | LCData1701 | anyone here to answer a Govnah question? |
| 21:28.33 | SineOt | the best way to get an answer is to just ask and hang out |
| 21:28.37 | SineOt | it'll get answered eventually |
| 21:28.55 | LCData1701 | ok...here goes... |
| 21:29.35 | LCData1701 | has anyone had an issue w/ Govnah where when doing Screenstate 500/800 it gets stuck in 500 mode? |
| 21:30.38 | Loudergood | not that I've noticed..it wont switch to screenstate 500/800 on boot though, you have to open govnah every boot |
| 21:33.11 | LCData1701 | the boot thing I can live with. I just tried putting into 500/800 from the palm 500 default & it went 800. then I closed/reopened Govnah & it went back to 500 |
| 21:33.44 | Loudergood | odd |
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