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| 00:15.32 | rwhitby | Error454: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=kernels/patches.git;a=blob;f=usb/f_mass_storage.patch;hb=HEAD |
| 00:17.06 | Error454 | rwitby: Wow thanks, my 1st patch! I think I'll go out and celebrate. |
| 00:17.51 | Error454 | ^+h |
| 00:18.14 | rwhitby | Error454: it will be in a testing version of UberKernel soon |
| 00:18.42 | halfhalo | dundunDUNNNNNNN |
| 00:19.20 | Error454 | rwhitby: Is there an rss feed I can monitor so I can run some test cases against the relevant kernel when it is released? |
| 00:20.02 | rwhitby | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=rss |
| 00:20.28 | rwhitby | it will appear in the kernel testing feed up to an hour after it appears there |
| 00:20.48 | Error454 | rwhitby: Ok, I will keep an eye out. Thank you for your time today. |
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| 00:59.00 | idw2k | test |
| 00:59.39 | bpadalino | i hate tests :( |
| 00:59.50 | rwhitby | bpadalino: you get an F |
| 01:00.23 | bpadalino | damnit .. like usual |
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| 01:08.20 | halfhalo | lol |
| 01:20.34 | halfhalo | why is there a ferrari thing on cnbc right now... |
| 01:21.14 | rwhitby | tests a 1.4.5-112 uberkernel |
| 01:21.26 | chrisA | whistles |
| 01:21.50 | rwhitby | gonna need someone with an xbox360 to test it |
| 01:22.06 | halfhalo | looks at the 360 in his room |
| 01:22.36 | bpadalino | chrisA: feeling any better about your summer now ? |
| 01:23.18 | rwhitby | battery_scaleback_percent cpu_hightemp_alarm override_charger vdd1_vsel_max |
| 01:23.19 | rwhitby | battery_scaleback_speed cpu_hightemp_reset vdd1_vsel vdd1_vsel_min |
| 01:23.25 | chrisA | summer wasn't bad |
| 01:23.45 | bpadalino | well spent, enjoyable, memorable? |
| 01:24.37 | chrisA | All three |
| 01:24.41 | halfhalo | is debating which stock to buy... AMD or MS.... |
| 01:24.43 | bpadalino | sounds good |
| 01:24.44 | chrisA | Though my interesting trips are coming up |
| 01:24.50 | bpadalino | where you headed to ? |
| 01:25.12 | chrisA | Aliph |
| 01:25.27 | bpadalino | never heard of it |
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| 01:25.30 | bpadalino | where is that ? |
| 01:25.34 | chrisA | whistles |
| 01:25.40 | chrisA | and vegas, socal and ideally vietnam/singapore |
| 01:25.55 | halfhalo | oooohhhh vegas... going there soonish |
| 01:25.57 | bpadalino | wow you are all over the place |
| 01:26.33 | bpadalino | SEAsia is probably interesting |
| 01:27.27 | bpadalino | chrisA: enjoy your trips .. sound like fun times |
| 01:27.40 | bpadalino | going by yourself or with friends ? |
| 01:28.28 | chrisA | friends to aliph, alone to asia, friends to the others |
| 01:28.59 | bpadalino | alone to asia - interesting .. do you speak any of the languages they speak there or just gonna wing it ? |
| 01:29.50 | chrisA | You can do surprisingly well in asia via waving your hands around like someone possessed |
| 01:30.42 | bpadalino | i'll be sure to remember that if i ever find myself in asia by myself |
| 01:30.58 | chrisA | Handwaving works everywhere as far as I can tell |
| 01:31.08 | chrisA | Minus countries where handwaving is offensive |
| 01:31.16 | bpadalino | really? whenever i handwave, i just get crazy looks here .. and i speak the language! |
| 01:31.38 | chrisA | Maybe you need to make it more charming handwaving |
| 01:32.17 | bpadalino | oh, charming .. i suppose the coffee makes it a bit jittery and crazed at times |
| 01:32.23 | bpadalino | i'll try booze next time |
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| 01:34.13 | rwhitby | notes that Aliph == Jawbone |
| 01:35.40 | halfhalo | just realized he can't buy any stocks since he has no monies |
| 01:36.30 | bpadalino | why would chrisA be going to jawbone ? |
| 01:37.04 | rwhitby | 09:48 halfhalo: dundunDUNNNNNNN |
| 01:37.18 | halfhalo | yup |
| 01:38.35 | chrisA | I wondered how long until someone would catch it |
| 01:38.38 | chrisA | But rwhitby had to help |
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| 01:39.24 | bpadalino | you've got a trip to see some bluetooth headsets ? |
| 01:40.05 | bpadalino | and i thought my trips were lame :( |
| 01:40.25 | chrisA | whistles |
| 01:41.55 | rwhitby | provides the harmony |
| 01:43.23 | bpadalino | #webos-acapella is starting |
| 01:43.51 | halfhalo | lol |
| 01:47.01 | chrisA | I'm still waiting for the lightbulb over bpadalino's head |
| 01:48.09 | rwhitby | suspects bpadalino is being discreet |
| 01:48.17 | chrisA | It's hard to tell |
| 01:48.36 | chrisA | The web has bold, italic and underline but still lacks sarcasm |
| 01:49.24 | bpadalino | there is definitely no bulb going off .. i'm just that obtuse |
| 01:50.49 | rwhitby | was made aware of jawbone's real company name by another kernel hacker who used to work at Palm |
| 01:51.49 | bpadalino | i think i'm starting to pick up what you're putting down |
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| 02:01.15 | halfhalo | sooo.... how bout them redmines |
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| 02:10.52 | halfhalo | *tumbleweeds* |
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| 02:15.22 | rwhitby | UberKernel 1.4.x-112 for Pre/Pre+ in http://bit.ly/kernel-testing-feed (read the rules first!) - details at http://bit.ly/uberkernel-112 |
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| 05:16.18 | Error454 | Is anyone aware of a patch that allows you to change which device is presented in mass storage mode? |
| 05:18.43 | scoutcamper | what? |
| 05:19.05 | scoutcamper | Error454 What do you mean |
| 05:19.22 | Error454 | Instead of presenting /media/internal present /dev/mapper/store-ext3fs for instance |
| 05:19.38 | scoutcamper | there is not one i am aware of |
| 05:19.48 | scoutcamper | rwhitby, any insite? |
| 05:19.57 | scoutcamper | rwhitby * |
| 05:20.06 | Error454 | I looked around but thought I might be a poor searcher. |
| 05:20.16 | scoutcamper | lol, my keyboard hates me |
| 05:21.06 | Error454 | I'm actually not even sure what piece of WebOS inserts the storage driver, I believe the piece may be closed. |
| 05:22.53 | rwhitby | Error454: not aware of anything like that existing |
| 05:24.06 | Error454 | rwhitby: Do you know off-hand whether this area is closed source? |
| 05:24.41 | Error454 | I grep'd through the source trees and the untar'd doctor and couldn't find any clues as to where the storage driver is inserted. |
| 05:25.15 | rwhitby | Error454: some of it is controlled by the modem chip I believe |
| 05:25.20 | Error454 | Well *inserted* is a poor word since it is built into the kernel |
| 05:25.48 | Error454 | rwhitby: hmm, I'll read up on that |
| 05:26.31 | rwhitby | Error454: also look in /usr/share/storaged/ |
| 05:27.06 | Error454 | rwhitby: ooh, this looks interesting |
| 05:27.19 | rwhitby | Error454: and strings of /usr/sbin/storaged |
| 05:31.43 | Error454 | favorite string fron storaged "%s: media is exported, but got a cable insert!! wtf? ignoring" |
| 05:32.46 | Error454 | storaged looks to be the winner |
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| 08:17.40 | hape | hi |
| 08:20.55 | rwhitby | g'day |
| 08:48.11 | hape | rwhitby: did you find the problem in the uebercalender ipk that is in the 1.4.5 feed? |
| 08:50.57 | rwhitby | hape: just working on that now actually |
| 08:57.17 | hape | ok, ping me if you need a test. Will be here for the next hour or so |
| 08:57.51 | rwhitby | it should go through in the next build cycle |
| 08:58.20 | hape | ok |
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| 09:46.36 | hape | rwhitby: diden't you updated the version number to 65? Preware still shows no update |
| 09:47.56 | rwhitby | hape: should have gone to 66 |
| 09:51.05 | hape | rwhitby: http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.5/ still shows the 63 as latest, Preware too |
| 09:52.44 | rwhitby | http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-patches/1.4.5/org.webosinternals.patches.calendar-ubercalendar_1.4.5-66_all.ipk |
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| 10:45.20 | swisstomcat | afternoon |
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| 11:40.10 | hape | installing right now |
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| 11:47.38 | hape | working now |
| 11:49.54 | rwhitby | excellent |
| 12:06.12 | swisstomcat | reporting live from the webos-internals booth at froscamp in zürich, switzerland |
| 12:06.41 | en0x | hf |
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| 12:32.39 | swisstomcat | i have someone with a VKB problem |
| 12:32.50 | swisstomcat | on a pre plus |
| 12:32.58 | swisstomcat | double-tapping doesn't bring up the VKB |
| 12:33.01 | swisstomcat | any ideas? |
| 13:32.12 | jhojho | new warthog-113 kernels for pre and pixi are out |
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| 13:51.10 | swisstomcat | got a question about VKB |
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| 15:49.41 | un_designer | hi rod are you around? |
| 15:49.59 | un_designer | i'm attempting to do the webos meta doctor and am running into an error that i don't know what to do with |
| 15:50.18 | un_designer | xargs: md5sum: No such file or directory make: *** [build/pre-p100eww-sprint-1.4.5/.patched] Error 127 |
| 15:54.25 | un_designer | oops i forgot it's 2AM in Australia |
| 15:54.27 | un_designer | is anyone around? |
| 15:56.38 | swisstomcat | i'm here |
| 15:57.07 | un_designer | hi |
| 15:57.17 | un_designer | does the error that i just pasted make any sense to you? |
| 15:57.33 | un_designer | i'm just following the steps as outlined here: xargs: md5sum: No such file or directory make: *** [build/pre-p100eww-sprint-1.4.5/.patched] Error 127 |
| 15:57.43 | un_designer | oops. i meant here: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor#Mac_OS_X_10.6 |
| 15:58.20 | swisstomcat | which step gives the error? |
| 15:58.45 | un_designer | oh wait i'm sorry that was the wrong URL |
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| 15:59.02 | un_designer | this is the URL: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html |
| 15:59.21 | un_designer | and it's Step 2: Setup meta-doctor |
| 15:59.39 | un_designer | in the terminal, i typed "make patch" |
| 16:00.15 | un_designer | should i paste the entire result of that command from the terminal, into here? |
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| 16:01.26 | swisstomcat | hold on |
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| 16:07.34 | un_designer | ok thx |
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| 16:33.46 | un_designer | swisstomcat... any suggestions for me? |
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| 16:40.45 | swisstomcat | no, sorry ... busy |
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| 17:12.13 | un_designer | hi is anyone around? |
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| 18:56.40 | dakidd | I want palm to hurry up |
| 18:56.48 | dakidd | I mean HP/palm |
| 18:57.02 | dakidd | I jus switched from pre to evo |
| 18:57.57 | chrisA | yawns |
| 18:57.58 | Error454 | dakidd: How is the battery life difference? |
| 18:58.32 | chrisA | evo's battery life is some of the worst around |
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| 18:59.47 | Error454 | My Pre is just a dev phone, so I don't get a good idea of how long it lasts under a normal days use |
| 19:01.24 | en0x | i'm getting sick of ppl saying "palm hurry up" :S |
| 19:01.47 | en0x | my brother is still using his moto razr which is 5 yrs old |
| 19:01.53 | en0x | and he don't complain |
| 19:02.05 | solix | so is it normal that After running Dr.Battery my Health dropped? was 92% THEN I ran Dr.Batt, & says it's 77%.. getfull & getage report likewise.. just wondering, did I run it incorrectly? using apps while recalibrating? or was the initial 92% a false read? thanks if neone can suggest. |
| 19:02.22 | chrisA | There is a very vocal userbase in the minority who buy the next shiny thing no matter how long they've had the last shiny |
| 19:02.50 | solix | iphone thrive on that business.. hehe |
| 19:03.12 | en0x | chrisA: yes... when parents give them money for new shiny thing... go make your own money and we will see how often you are going to buy a new phone then... and pay for rent and bills too ;) |
| 19:03.35 | en0x | kids don't appreciate money |
| 19:03.40 | chrisA | I doubt it's parents |
| 19:03.49 | chrisA | Unless kids these days have way more money than I did |
| 19:03.56 | solix | lol true that! |
| 19:03.59 | halfhalo | they do |
| 19:04.01 | chrisA | dunno, I had a job from 15 on |
| 19:04.04 | solix | they do |
| 19:04.06 | chrisA | I have never not had a job |
| 19:04.35 | en0x | when i got to usa the first thing that I got was a job and then I went to high school lol |
| 19:04.35 | halfhalo | Got my first job in college |
| 19:05.49 | solix | worked on a farm when I was 8... hard labor. |
| 19:06.02 | Error454 | I can't relate to those folks, but I'm a very small % of a minuscule minority who hangs out in channels like this. |
| 19:06.24 | solix | & hardly pay. but it gave me good standards. :) appreciation. |
| 19:06.39 | en0x | solix: me too... in poland since I was 7 |
| 19:06.40 | en0x | ;p |
| 19:07.25 | solix | yeah.. shovelin manure, bailin hay, 12-16hr days... crazy, but I miss it, even crazier.. lol |
| 19:08.16 | solix | kept me in good shape at least.. haha |
| 19:09.15 | en0x | true now u got beer muscle? :> |
| 19:09.32 | solix | haha... yeap. :D |
| 19:09.51 | solix | & carpeltunel |
| 19:09.55 | solix | ;) |
| 19:10.26 | en0x | hehe |
| 19:14.07 | Marajin | bah |
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| 19:14.13 | Marajin | hard work's ok but good genetics are better! |
| 19:14.35 | dakidd | hey |
| 19:14.37 | solix | Error454: you submit that patch yet? |
| 19:15.01 | dakidd | what patch |
| 19:15.19 | Marajin | en0x: FWIW, I pay for my own shinies, and I has many of them |
| 19:15.24 | Error454 | solix: Yeah, it is in |
| 19:15.31 | en0x | Marajin: good to know |
| 19:15.39 | Error454 | solix: If you enable the testing feeds you can use it right now |
| 19:15.46 | Marajin | then again, I'm also not classifiable as a kid, technically |
| 19:15.52 | Marajin | unfortunately =/ |
| 19:15.59 | solix | Error454: &h cool :) thx |
| 19:16.31 | Error454 | dakidd: A patch for usb devices |
| 19:16.33 | Marajin | TBH I mostly upgrade my phone so often because I shout at my carrier till they give me a free upgrade |
| 19:17.15 | Marajin | Technically since pre launch (and I got the pre at launch day in the UK), I've had two upgrades on my phone |
| 19:17.37 | Marajin | more accurately I've had one and they've promised me another cept they were unable to find me a phone I was even remotely interested in |
| 19:17.49 | Marajin | so I just have my pre and my xperia x10 that I use every day |
| 19:17.59 | Marajin | (pre is for work, xperia for personal) |
| 19:18.02 | en0x | xperia x10 :S |
| 19:19.12 | Marajin | If sony weren't such little bitches the X10'd be awesomesauce |
| 19:19.14 | solix | I've had maaaany like most, but the pre By Far has been my fav.. but mostly due to the preware/homebrew crews.. :) |
| 19:19.15 | Marajin | but no |
| 19:19.39 | Marajin | they went 'ZOMG No! Android 1.6, no multitouch and battery life of a /half/ a day!' |
| 19:20.05 | Marajin | naturally xda-devs went '... **smack** Rooted, battery life of 3 days, thaaaaank you' |
| 19:20.36 | Marajin | so my x10 now has bettery screen, camera and battery than my pre.. but that 1.6 version of android is a real bugger |
| 19:20.48 | Marajin | I'm crossing my fingers on a bootloader exploit to get CFW |
| 19:21.08 | Marajin | and meanwhile waiting for the pre 2 basically :P |
| 19:22.44 | solix | I'm real happy with just the pre+.. does more than I need. |
| 19:23.03 | Marajin | I have a launch pre.. it has issues |
| 19:23.11 | Marajin | like the 'ZOMG! You moved! **turns off**' |
| 19:23.20 | solix | ouch. |
| 19:23.41 | Marajin | It only developed the issue after a few months so I thought I'd dodged the bullet |
| 19:24.03 | solix | one I had did the overheatin yellow spots.. but had it replaced.. this ones great. |
| 19:24.34 | solix | 1yr palm warrantee.. |
| 19:24.49 | Marajin | I /think/ I've just about passed the 1 year mark on my pre |
| 19:25.52 | en0x | i had my pre since june 6th, 2009 |
| 19:25.52 | en0x | :P |
| 19:25.56 | solix | palm sent my new one Next Day delivery, with return box for old one. real nice to work with.. |
| 19:26.03 | Marajin | I can't remember when UK release was.. august 09ish |
| 19:26.36 | Marajin | AFAIK I wouldn't have to deal with palm, I can just bitchslap o2 and they'll send me a new one with a box for the old one, they've done it for other things before |
| 19:27.31 | solix | dealing with Palm was better than vzn here, imho, .. I'd prefer it :) |
| 19:27.51 | Marajin | well that's vzn |
| 19:28.00 | Marajin | I hear shocking things about the US carriers |
| 19:28.07 | Marajin | even t-mobile UK |
| 19:28.25 | solix | not bad, but when I have to explain to the tech support the difference between WiFi and Hotspot..... grrrrump. lol |
| 19:29.24 | solix | verizon is awesome here(us), just get some less than qualified tech *sometimes. |
| 19:30.36 | Marajin | well, I stand to be corrected but best I can tell TCO for cells in the US is just plain higher and service is generally worse |
| 19:30.51 | Marajin | not surprising, cause it's a larger country with lower pop density |
| 19:30.54 | Marajin | but still |
| 19:32.18 | solix | yeah, it's Kinda* a hit/miss some*times.. but like you do, we just keep tellin them.. or in pre's case, homebrew fixes it for em/us.. ;) |
| 19:32.36 | Marajin | heh :) |
| 19:33.08 | Marajin | Well it's part of my job to slap sales reps around for better deals so I can't help taking it home with me anyway when it comes to my cell tariffs |
| 19:33.57 | solix | true |
| 19:34.19 | Marajin | Rule of thumb is 33% discount IME |
| 19:34.29 | solix | :) |
| 19:35.12 | solix | ight ttyl :) |
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| 21:47.12 | chrisA | hmm who was it that mentioned the 360 patch? Error? |
| 21:47.57 | solix | error454 |
| 21:48.06 | solix | was his nick |
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| 21:56.22 | icarus | hello, does anyone know where text messages are stored on the palm pre? |
| 21:56.28 | icarus | ive been searching /var/data |
| 21:56.44 | icarus | but i can't seem to find them |
| 21:57.30 | solix | isn't there a folder named 'messaging/es' I thought there was.. sorry can't check atm. |
| 21:58.30 | chrisA | I could have sworn they were stored in the db, maybe that was the old days? |
| 21:58.36 | solix | that might be jus for dloads storage what I'm remembering tho.. |
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| 22:06.00 | CTLAdvance | Hey is there an known issue with the Advanced Launcher Config Install |
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| 22:10.10 | KGF2009 | Is the palm pre's temperature sensor actually accurate? |
| 22:11.10 | chrisA | Pre doesn't have a thermistor. It does have a battery temperature sensor though which I imagine is what you're talking about |
| 22:11.15 | chrisA | Pixi has an actual thermistor |
| 22:11.30 | Wolvenhaven | my pre plus does i think |
| 22:11.35 | Wolvenhaven | i've gotten a temp warning before |
| 22:11.43 | KGF2009 | Yes, that's what I mean. |
| 22:11.59 | KGF2009 | I downloaded a patch to show said temperature, and I've noticed it frequently goes above 100. Is that normal? |
| 22:12.10 | Wolvenhaven | F or C? |
| 22:12.35 | KGF2009 | F. |
| 22:12.38 | Wolvenhaven | yea |
| 22:12.49 | KGF2009 | 100C and I would not be touching it, believe you me. |
| 22:13.02 | KGF2009 | Ah. Good to know. |
| 22:13.04 | Wolvenhaven | if it's a cpu temp that's low |
| 22:13.17 | KGF2009 | What's the hottest it should be? |
| 22:13.18 | Wolvenhaven | cpu operating ranges are like 50-80C |
| 22:13.51 | KGF2009 | What about for battery? Because I'm fairly sure that's what I'm seeing here. |
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| 22:13.58 | Wolvenhaven | iunno |
| 22:14.05 | Wolvenhaven | i got my temp warning using the wireless charging puck |
| 22:14.14 | Wolvenhaven | that thing makes my phone really hot |
| 22:14.48 | KGF2009 | Yeah, my phone warms up when I charge it too, but I dismissed that as normal; but it's just, I never really thought it would be 100-120 degrees. |
| 22:14.59 | KGF2009 | Doesn't feel like 100. |
| 22:15.25 | chrisA | For one thing, the battery is going to be hotter than the rest of the phone |
| 22:15.33 | chrisA | The device will shutdown between 65-70C |
| 22:15.35 | Wolvenhaven | i wouldn't worry about it |
| 22:15.39 | chrisA | If it's not shutting down you're fine |
| 22:15.52 | KGF2009 | Lovely. |
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| 22:15.55 | Wolvenhaven | you've got a good 20-30C left as a buffer |
| 22:16.26 | KGF2009 | Good. |
| 22:16.46 | KGF2009 | I'm just not very experienced with phone hardware yet. ..Or software, for that matter. But I'm better with software. |
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| 22:17.11 | chrisA | whoops, I was a bit off |
| 22:17.14 | chrisA | We shutdown at 60ish |
| 22:17.25 | chrisA | 65 is when the bootloader freaks out |
| 22:17.34 | KGF2009 | Freaks out? |
| 22:17.52 | chrisA | Stops the boot process |
| 22:18.07 | Wolvenhaven | kernel panic! |
| 22:18.25 | KGF2009 | So at 60, it'll actually go through a normal shutdown, but at 65 it'll just shut down cold? |
| 22:18.35 | Wolvenhaven | and at 70 it explodes |
| 22:18.49 | Wolvenhaven | and li-ion batteries make awesome hand grenades |
| 22:18.52 | chrisA | no, we trigger normal shutdowns in all cases |
| 22:19.15 | KGF2009 | "We"? |
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| 22:30.18 | KGF2009 | chrisA? |
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| 22:31.32 | chrisA | hm? |
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| 22:32.26 | KGF2009 | "We"? |
| 22:32.27 | bpadalino | what's the operating temperature ratings for commercial phones nowadays anyway ? |
| 22:32.39 | Wolvenhaven | well iphones run really hot |
| 22:32.43 | Wolvenhaven | cause apple's are flaming |
| 22:32.52 | bpadalino | 85C ? |
| 22:34.01 | bpadalino | oh, no .. it's way off |
| 22:34.05 | bpadalino | 0C to 35C |
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| 22:34.18 | bpadalino | -20C to 45C for storage |
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| 22:35.13 | ka6sox-work | I would NOT want to be holding my phone @ 85C |
| 22:35.14 | bpadalino | chrisA: do you have temperature chambers for qual testing or is that all handled by the actual manufacturer ? |
| 22:35.42 | chrisA | We have ovens and freezer majiggers |
| 22:35.51 | bpadalino | very nice |
| 22:36.02 | chrisA | There is a group who does compliance testing for that sort of stuff, though for the end of pixi I spent a weekend playing in the oven |
| 22:36.46 | ka6sox-work | thermal vac and shake table are the final tests. |
| 22:36.53 | KGF2009 | Is there a way I can simulate temperatures in the pre emulator? |
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| 22:58.34 | KGF2009 | Oh look, an update. |
| 22:59.00 | bpadalino | an update for ? |
| 22:59.27 | KGF2009 | Pre. |
| 22:59.31 | KGF2009 | 1.4.5. |
| 22:59.48 | bpadalino | oh cool |
| 22:59.50 | bpadalino | congrats |
| 23:00.06 | KGF2009 | Maybe -now- I can run wIRC properly. |
| 23:01.35 | bpadalino | one can only hope |
| 23:02.26 | chrisA | I should try to run wirc on 2.0 |
| 23:03.08 | bpadalino | yeah you should |
| 23:03.14 | bpadalino | help debug it |
| 23:03.23 | bpadalino | chrisA: how did you like working with the ovens ? |
| 23:03.37 | chrisA | Kinda boring once the novelty of playing with the oven passed |
| 23:03.47 | chrisA | I had more fun writing the thermistor driver and playing with a can of freezer |
| 23:03.56 | bpadalino | ooh, that is fun |
| 23:04.10 | bpadalino | do you detect overtemp and undertemp operating conditions |
| 23:04.11 | bpadalino | ? |
| 23:04.15 | chrisA | yes |
| 23:04.27 | chrisA | Actually, I don't think undertemp is a use case |
| 23:04.36 | chrisA | overtemp is due to situations like leaving it on a car dashboard in arizona |
| 23:04.59 | bpadalino | what about leaving it in the car in NY winter? :( |
| 23:05.03 | KGF2009 | Are you palm staff or something? Or just a good developer? |
| 23:05.18 | bpadalino | chrisA is palm |
| 23:05.22 | bpadalino | all of it |
| 23:05.26 | bpadalino | no fingers :( |
| 23:05.30 | Wolvenhaven | lol |
| 23:05.52 | Wolvenhaven | if he's a palm i'm surprized he hasn't gone blind yet :P |
| 23:07.41 | rwhitby | chrisA: Pre has a temp sensor in the OMAP. It's not officially supported by TI, but it's there and we use it in UberKernel |
| 23:08.11 | chrisA | I don't think our userspace uses it though |
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| 23:08.51 | rwhitby | no, vendor kernel does not expose it |
| 23:09.08 | chrisA | But I am always willing to admit a lack of omap knowledge |
| 23:09.19 | KGF2009 | OMAP? |
| 23:09.32 | rwhitby | chrisA: it took me three goes at finding a patch which actually worked for it |
| 23:10.07 | rwhitby | KGF2009: the processor in the Pre, as opposed to the MSM in the Pixi |
| 23:10.53 | KGF2009 | Is UberKernel recommended? |
| 23:11.21 | rwhitby | KGF2009: At least one HP executive uses it daily. |
| 23:12.18 | KGF2009 | Aha. |
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| 23:12.30 | KGF2009 | Well, I'll give it a shot as soon as this update is done. |
| 23:12.40 | KGF2009 | Anything I should know? |
| 23:13.50 | bpadalino | chrisA: do you work with channel simulators or anything or is that a different group too ? |
| 23:15.36 | chrisA | Different |
| 23:15.50 | chrisA | Unless I misunderstand what you mean by channel simulator |
| 23:16.38 | bpadalino | RF channels for mobile <-> basestation simulation |
| 23:17.06 | chrisA | There are teams dedicated to just RF |
| 23:17.22 | bpadalino | do they seem like a fun group, well respected, or kind of off to the side ? |
| 23:17.49 | chrisA | Not sure, don't work with them |
| 23:18.01 | bpadalino | sounds like off to the side then :( |
| 23:18.02 | chrisA | rf rarely interacts with this level, more with the modem core guys |
| 23:18.15 | chrisA | I live in a bubble |
| 23:18.24 | bpadalino | don't we all ? |
| 23:18.52 | ka6sox-work | I cross over daily...sometimes within seconds (or hertz) |
| 23:18.53 | bpadalino | i was just wondering how they do the diversity stuff with RF |
| 23:18.55 | rwhitby | if we didn't, our heads would explode |
| 23:19.14 | ka6sox-work | bpadalino, frequency or space? |
| 23:19.16 | bpadalino | i know for EVDO it's not necessarily as important, but for LTE they have 2x2 and 4x4 |
| 23:19.29 | ka6sox-work | oh...frequency |
| 23:19.29 | bpadalino | ka6sox-work: both! MIMO all the way |
| 23:19.35 | ka6sox-work | yep |
| 23:19.46 | bpadalino | spatial diversity helps out a lot surprisingly enough |
| 23:19.53 | ka6sox-work | its amazing |
| 23:20.13 | bpadalino | even a crappy spatial diversity receiver can usually outperform a great equalizer |
| 23:20.14 | ka6sox-work | another thing that does well is frequency hopping |
| 23:20.39 | bpadalino | then again, this isn't #wireless so i'll pipe down :( |
| 23:20.46 | ka6sox-work | me too... |
| 23:22.59 | KGF2009 | rwhitby, what should I know before I get UberKernel? |
| 23:23.35 | rwhitby | KGF2009: you should read the homepage link for it in description in Preware |
| 23:24.04 | halfhalo | you people are cwazy! |
| 23:24.41 | KGF2009 | Why, thank you! :D |
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| 23:38.12 | KGF2009 | Awww! Some of my patches got removed in the update. |
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| 23:45.31 | KGF2009 | Um, what do I do if I have a patch that refuses to update or remove? |
| 23:45.55 | rwhitby | did you read the thread about which ones needed to be removed first? |
| 23:46.10 | KGF2009 | No, not about UberKernel. |
| 23:46.17 | KGF2009 | I haven't installed that yet. |
| 23:46.27 | rwhitby | KGF2009: Um, what do I do if I have a patch that refuses to update or remove? |
| 23:46.32 | rwhitby | rwhitby: did you read the thread about which ones needed to be removed first? |
| 23:47.01 | KGF2009 | I didn't know there was one. |