| 00:11.20 | box | has anyone ran openwrt on the pre yet |
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| 00:13.46 | rwhitby | box: not that I know of - there's not reason why it could not be done |
| 00:13.57 | halfhalo | but... why |
| 00:14.31 | rwhitby | halfhalo: well, I have a pixi with a broken touchscreen, it could be a GSM hotspot using openwrt for example |
| 00:15.15 | halfhalo | pixi or pixi plus... :p |
| 00:15.21 | bhuey | PALM !!!!! |
| 00:15.30 | rwhitby | pixi plus of course |
| 00:15.49 | rwhitby | pixi non-plus is not useful for anything outside of the US |
| 00:15.57 | halfhalo | well then valid reason |
| 00:16.12 | halfhalo | pixi is useless in the us as well |
| 00:16.46 | SineOt | it's only half useless |
| 00:16.57 | SineOt | that half being the fact it has no wifi :I |
| 00:17.14 | SineOt | I <3 200kbps 3G speeds D:> |
| 00:17.17 | en0x | some ppl dont mind the wifi |
| 00:17.26 | SineOt | I don't mind it either |
| 00:17.29 | en0x | my sis never complains about no wifi on her pixi |
| 00:17.40 | SineOt | but it's really one of the only good complaints about the phone |
| 00:17.48 | halfhalo | needs wifi since he gets no service |
| 00:18.45 | SineOt | sucks |
| 00:18.50 | rwhitby | is not aware of a non-plus pixi that works outside of the US |
| 00:19.07 | SineOt | there isn't one |
| 00:20.09 | halfhalo | because it sucks |
| 00:20.26 | SineOt | puts halfhalo in a box of magic |
| 00:21.07 | halfhalo | steals the magic and runs |
| 00:23.39 | halfhalo | :p |
| 00:25.54 | halfhalo | killed the channel |
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| 01:08.15 | Zen00 | Hey all. |
| 01:10.49 | Zen00 | You know what, I've decided that I need to make a C&C theme for my Pre! |
| 01:11.05 | Zen00 | I love that game, one of the first RTSs that I played. |
| 01:11.08 | Loudergood | what version? |
| 01:11.17 | Zen00 | The original C&C. |
| 01:11.23 | Loudergood | I could dig a red alert 2 theme |
| 01:11.47 | Zen00 | Mostly I just realized that I was missing a good Ion Cannon or two in my Pre. |
| 01:12.07 | Zen00 | Too bad it can't be used as a beacon like in Renagade. :( |
| 01:12.17 | Loudergood | of course, who doesn't like writing words through your opponent's base |
| 01:12.56 | Zen00 | And the installation process of the game was the best I've ever seen. |
| 01:13.18 | ryan[WIN] | http://proggit.pastebin.com/7ikwsfcP |
| 01:13.24 | Zen00 | It made you excited to watch it happen, instead of this stupid screenshot/ad/screenshot/ad installs of nowindays. |
| 01:13.32 | ryan[WIN] | ok whenever i do 'make staging-arvm7' with the WIDK |
| 01:13.36 | ryan[WIN] | it fails at this point |
| 01:13.47 | ryan[WIN] | 'make toolchain' is successful and seems to work fine |
| 01:14.34 | rwhitby | ryan[WIN]: what host OS version? |
| 01:14.52 | ryan[WIN] | ubuntu 9.xx hold on let me get exact confi |
| 01:15.31 | ryan[WIN] | 9.10 |
| 01:15.36 | ryan[WIN] | 32bit |
| 01:20.42 | ryan[WIN] | i have no idea how to resolve it |
| 01:20.53 | ryan[WIN] | in the past i've gone into that dir and rebuilt aclocal |
| 01:21.05 | ryan[WIN] | and it ends up just failing further down the line |
| 01:21.35 | ryan[WIN] | and in the past i've moved libdotconf to nonworking |
| 01:21.39 | ryan[WIN] | something else fails |
| 01:21.45 | ryan[WIN] | always the same error - mismatched libtool |
| 01:23.42 | rwhitby | no idea, sorry. |
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| 01:29.20 | Magomarkos | hey everyone |
| 01:29.37 | Magomarkos | hey how do i put my device in developer on the newest version i forgot the code |
| 01:30.44 | rwhitby | google webos developer mode |
| 01:31.07 | Magomarkos | i get the konami code |
| 01:31.12 | Magomarkos | its not that one |
| 01:31.21 | Magomarkos | i need the new version |
| 01:31.33 | Magomarkos | i would have googled it but it didnt work |
| 01:31.35 | Magomarkos | duh |
| 01:31.47 | scoutcamper | in 1.4.5 konami works |
| 01:32.23 | SineOt | yeah, Konami code works |
| 01:32.24 | Zen00 | Just remember to type "start" at the end. |
| 01:32.39 | Zen00 | I forgot that for a while and kept wondering why it would never work. |
| 01:32.45 | scoutcamper | yep, :D |
| 01:33.01 | Magomarkos | so its updownupdownleftrightleftrightbastart ? |
| 01:33.08 | Zen00 | No. |
| 01:33.20 | Zen00 | upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart |
| 01:33.27 | SineOt | upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart |
| 01:33.54 | Loudergood | due to contra I'm in the habit of doing selectstart at the end.. |
| 01:34.25 | scoutcamper | webos20090606 works to |
| 01:34.26 | SineOt | I never played Contra, yet when I heard that was how you enable dev mode, I knew the code anyways ?_? |
| 01:34.37 | SineOt | yeah, but that's not nearly as much fun ;p |
| 01:34.46 | scoutcamper | :D |
| 01:34.53 | scoutcamper | its shorther |
| 01:34.54 | Loudergood | hehe, it works in most old konami games |
| 01:34.56 | Zen00 | This is pretty fun, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gXh83hNnWw |
| 01:35.53 | scoutcamper | or on cdma type (in phone) ##DEVMODE# |
| 01:38.17 | scoutcamper | Magomarkos, any of those work? |
| 01:39.19 | Loudergood | I should really look into making this a patch for my own use...or figuring out a safe workaround so I can patch it upstream...damn shitty campus wireless portal |
| 01:39.58 | scoutcamper | Loudergood, what is "this"? |
| 01:40.31 | Loudergood | I have to edit dhclient-script or it never pulls up the redirect for the wireless login page |
| 01:40.37 | Loudergood | same problem with debian |
| 01:41.55 | Loudergood | of course it works fine in windows and osx so I can't really get anywhere with the IT dept |
| 01:42.55 | Loudergood | it's essentially this problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dhcp3/+bug/139217 |
| 01:48.06 | Zen00 | There, now I have all the sound effects/icons/screens for a C&C theme. Too bad you can't customize the Pre's sounds as much as you can Windows. |
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| 01:56.53 | Zen00 | What I would love most of all, is if I could get the C&C E.V.A. installation video to sync up with the last few seconds of startup, so that it plays across the screen then, too bad that doesn't exist yet. |
| 01:57.22 | Zen00 | At least once I'd like to do it. |
| 01:58.50 | Zen00 | Maybe make an app of it. Then you could install E.V.A. whenever you want to show how cool your phone is by having a Electronic Video Agent. |
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| 01:59.31 | Zen00 | Is it possible to change the low battery sound to different sound in the theme? |
| 02:01.48 | Zen00 | That would be an awesome way to put on a theme, download an app that plays the installation video while in the background it changes the theme, then when you close the app, voila, it's C&C! |
| 02:03.05 | Zen00 | Or have it run the video on the luna restart after installing the theme. |
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| 03:09.30 | k- | for some reason i'm getting an unable to connect to pulseaudio: and sound from my phone is not working, but the phone's speaker and mic work. Anyone know of any posts, information, or solutions to this bug? |
| 03:10.04 | k- | phone's speaker and mic when using the actual _phone_ app ii meant... |
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| 03:17.59 | Amaranth | When running `make stage` to build the WIDK I get the following when it tries to build the armv6 freetype: |
| 03:18.01 | Amaranth | checking for XML_SetDoctypeDeclHandler... no |
| 03:18.01 | Amaranth | configure: error: Cannot find usable expat library. This could mean that your version is too old. |
| 03:18.17 | Amaranth | Ubuntu 10.10 amd64 |
| 03:18.30 | Amaranth | Anyone seen this before? |
| 03:18.54 | Amaranth | It does find expat.h on the line before that |
| 03:19.12 | Amaranth | Oh, it's trying to build fontconfig, not freetype |
| 03:19.30 | k- | and does "initctl start pulseaudio" literally start pulseaudio where you could pgrep a pulseaudio PID? |
| 03:19.48 | k- | /start/daemonize |
| 03:20.06 | Amaranth | Weird, I ran `make stage` again and it got past it |
| 03:20.26 | halfhalo | sudo make nowordieinafire |
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| 03:46.23 | Zen00 | @dtzWill Are you listening? |
| 03:48.44 | Amaranth | man I'm tempted to make a little loop that keeps running `make stage` so long as it reports it failed |
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| 03:49.41 | dtzWill | Zen00 ping'd me and left 13 seconds later x.x |
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| 04:01.33 | ryan[WIN] | hm |
| 04:01.43 | ryan[WIN] | i think i'm going to upgrade to ubuntu 10.x and do a clean install on this computer |
| 04:01.47 | ryan[WIN] | and then try to build widk from scratch |
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| 04:03.30 | dtzWill | ryan[WIN]: good luck. |
| 04:05.34 | ryan[WIN] | thanks <3 |
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| 05:24.31 | hape | morning |
| 05:25.43 | hape | dtzWill: still around? |
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| 05:26.41 | dtzWill | hape: kinda :) |
| 05:29.49 | k- | is it possible to run pulseaudio directly from novaterm?: well. start the daemon such as "$pulseaudio -D" ?? |
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| 05:31.19 | dtzWill | k-: idk, but i say you should try it :) |
| 05:32.55 | k- | :: "$ pulseaudio -D" > E: main.c: Daemon startup failed. ;; "$ pulseaudio" > E: core-util.c: Failed to create secure directory: Permission denied |
| 05:33.19 | dtzWill | k-: other than running as root i got nothing. just a thought :) |
| 05:33.43 | k- | that must be success... so how about "$ pidof pulseaudio?" |
| 05:34.09 | k- | return anything/? |
| 05:36.59 | dtzWill | k-: works here |
| 05:37.22 | hape | dtzWill: only for intrest. Dit Palm accepted your PDK apps as widk compiled or did you needet to recompile them with the offical SDK/PDK? |
| 05:37.35 | k- | then i'm doing something wrong... |
| 05:37.56 | dtzWill | k-: that was on a 1.4.5 sprint pre, fwiw |
| 05:38.16 | k- | cool, so the pulseaudio daemon should be running... |
| 05:38.21 | k- | - gotcha.. |
| 05:38.58 | dtzWill | hape: used WIDK, but I just toolchains a lot. |
| 05:39.35 | dtzWill | i can't imagine they actually care, tbh. I was just using a newer version of the codesourcery toolchain, and the rest is just linking stuff which doesn't really change anything anyway |
| 05:39.35 | rwhitby | WIDK is a pure superset of SDK/PDK, there is no incompatibility. |
| 05:40.02 | dtzWill | to be clear i think the WIDK by default uses the same toolchain, but i haven't checked personally. |
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| 05:48.46 | ird | I was wondering. |
| 05:49.08 | ird | Would it be possible to install a linux distro from a pre? |
| 05:49.15 | ird | via usb mode. |
| 05:50.52 | rwhitby | probably |
| 05:51.44 | ird | I have no usb drives or cds available, but I'm not exactly sure how to go about it. |
| 05:52.12 | rwhitby | then it's not possible ;) |
| 05:53.06 | k- | this is very strange... E: socket-client.c: socket(): Address family not supported by protocol |
| 06:09.14 | hape | dtzWill: Thanks |
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| 17:25.31 | Steve457 | hello |
| 17:26.08 | Steve457 | anyone? |
| 17:27.26 | Loudergood | quiet in here today |
| 17:27.54 | Steve457 | yes it is |
| 17:28.11 | Steve457 | what is your favorite patch? |
| 17:28.33 | Loudergood | hard to say |
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| 17:29.57 | Loudergood | probably the one that lets me turn off mobile data |
| 17:30.01 | ryan[WIN] | ok in my quest to successfully build/install widk i did a brand new clean/fresh install of ubuntu 10.04 (formatted main drive) |
| 17:30.17 | ryan[WIN] | and i set scrollback to unlimited on terminal |
| 17:30.29 | ryan[WIN] | if anything goes wrong THIS TIME it should be tracable |
| 17:30.59 | Steve457 | dude warthog kernel will brick your phone don't use it |
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| 17:33.00 | dtzWill | ryan[WIN]: or you could pipe to a log file? O:) |
| 17:33.20 | ryan[WIN] | same deal though |
| 17:33.26 | ryan[WIN] | just ctrl-a copy to gedit :P |
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| 17:33.30 | dtzWill | haha |
| 17:34.10 | ryan[WIN] | piping is for people that know what they're doing |
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| 17:34.23 | Steve457 | what are yalls favorite/useful patches |
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| 17:35.44 | ryan[WIN] | i have to assume that i don't know what i'm doing because i couldn't get this thing to build and i'm hurp durping myself |
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| 17:35.58 | ryan[WIN] | assuming nothing and restarting from scratch and everything |
| 17:36.22 | dtzWill | you seem to have a good handle on things, shrug :). anyway good luck and sorry for your troubles :( |
| 17:37.24 | ryan[WIN] | well i've done every type of dev and cross compiling thing but i always always always assume i'm doing it wrong before i assume the package is wrong |
| 17:37.50 | dtzWill | wouldn't be so sure, and that's what i'm apologizing for |
| 17:37.56 | ryan[WIN] | i've surprised myself at how hurp durp i can be in the past |
| 17:38.13 | dtzWill | although given all your troubles i think i'll at least check up on whether or not i can get it to build |
| 17:38.17 | ryan[WIN] | well hopefully we'll get a grip on what's going on after this |
| 17:39.02 | dtzWill | indeed |
| 17:39.13 | ryan[WIN] | almost done with making the toolchain |
| 17:40.24 | dtzWill | go go make clobber-armv7 |
| 17:40.33 | ryan[WIN] | lul |
| 17:40.34 | dtzWill | destroy the result of all the compilation :D |
| 17:40.51 | ryan[WIN] | is that really a target? :P |
| 17:40.54 | dtzWill | yeppers |
| 17:41.01 | ryan[WIN] | rofl |
| 17:41.09 | dtzWill | b/c the default clobber target will nuke everything like the toolchain and rootfs |
| 17:41.17 | halfhalo | youe a target |
| 17:41.36 | halfhalo | wow. kb fail |
| 17:41.38 | dtzWill | that don't change and are just a PITA to rebuild (takes a long time and doesn't help) |
| 17:42.00 | dtzWill | must..not..make..'you're mom's a target'... joke...public..channel.... |
| 17:42.03 | dtzWill | whoops couldn't help myself |
| 17:42.14 | dtzWill | s/you're/your/ |
| 17:42.25 | dtzWill | s/dtzWill/dumbass/ |
| 17:43.58 | halfhalo | lol |
| 17:44.36 | dtzWill | ryan[WIN]: starting build, i'll let you know if i have issues. :) |
| 17:44.50 | ryan[WIN] | k |
| 17:45.39 | dtzWill | ryan[WIN]: do you have a multicore machine? fwiw you can use the -j option safely. or at least get things to fail faster that way ;) |
| 17:45.55 | ryan[WIN] | nope |
| 17:45.58 | ryan[WIN] | i'm building this on an eee pc |
| 17:46.01 | dtzWill | but if people define their deps correctly (I used to try to police that) it's safe |
| 17:46.08 | dtzWill | ryan[WIN]: that's right. doesn't it have hyperthrading or soemthing? :P |
| 17:46.09 | ryan[WIN] | single coorrrre :D |
| 17:46.13 | ryan[WIN] | no it's a celeron |
| 17:46.19 | dtzWill | oh the old eee, right. |
| 17:46.20 | ryan[WIN] | first generation eee pc FTW!!! |
| 17:46.21 | dtzWill | original :D |
| 17:46.33 | dtzWill | sorry i hear eee i think of mine, a 901 |
| 17:46.41 | ryan[WIN] | so i'm doing the build process through an external drive directory |
| 17:46.49 | ryan[WIN] | because i don't have enough disk space to do it on the 4GB main |
| 17:48.48 | dtzWill | right. |
| 17:48.57 | dtzWill | especially not if you want to also have an OS in there somewhere |
| 17:49.12 | halfhalo | bah, you people with your high falutin computers |
| 17:52.12 | ryan[WIN] | ok moment of truth |
| 17:52.15 | ryan[WIN] | building sage |
| 17:52.17 | ryan[WIN] | stage |
| 17:52.58 | dtzWill | ryan[WIN]: I forget, but it might build armv6 first by default, if so you want to do 'make staging-armv7' to just build the armv7 target |
| 17:53.03 | dtzWill | armv6 never fully worked AFAIK |
| 17:53.17 | dtzWill | hopes someone mentioned this to you previosuly |
| 17:53.22 | dtzWill | previously, even |
| 17:53.49 | ryan[WIN] | ok let's let it fail |
| 17:56.40 | dtzWill | used to have it all ccached so it took ~15 min to build the whole thing haha |
| 17:57.44 | ryan[WIN] | most of the build time is downloading from codesourcery or whatever |
| 17:57.53 | ryan[WIN] | and the various packages from palm |
| 17:58.22 | dtzWill | yeah, and codesourcery's mirrors are slooooooow |
| 17:58.32 | dtzWill | there's no reason to re-dl them once you have those however |
| 17:58.36 | dtzWill | well in most cases anyway |
| 17:59.11 | dtzWill | in the rare case someone updates a tarball but doesn't change the filename (version, etc) you might need to remove the cached download file, but.... that only happens if someone somewhere is doing something wrong :) |
| 18:04.38 | ryan[WIN] | so far so goood |
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| 18:08.29 | ryan[WIN] | oh sweet criminey it's getting farther than i've ever seen it get so far |
| 18:09.45 | kpeamop | hey guys, does anyone know whether i can run QEMU --on-- palm pre? |
| 18:10.10 | dtzWill | kpeamop: sure can. |
| 18:10.10 | kpeamop | i.e. in order to run binaries compiled for i386 |
| 18:10.28 | dtzWill | kpeamop: yep. you can use userspace qemu for that, or try booting a minimal i386 os to run things on |
| 18:10.40 | dtzWill | kpeamop: idk what you have in mind, but ... let me pull up the numbers we found when we tried that |
| 18:12.10 | dtzWill | kpeamop: oh dear they're terrible, i was remembering the numbers we had for using qemu for arm |
| 18:12.48 | dtzWill | tty-linux took over 30 minutes to boot |
| 18:12.50 | ryan[WIN] | i remember when my computer was an apple IIc and i thought that shit was faaaaaast |
| 18:12.50 | ryan[WIN] | we're all spoiled these days |
| 18:12.55 | dtzWill | i think we ended up giving up on it |
| 18:13.12 | ryan[WIN] | just run DOS on it |
| 18:13.16 | ryan[WIN] | 640k ought to be enough |
| 18:13.22 | kpeamop | ok, thanks |
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| 18:14.05 | dtzWill | ah yeah we needed a linux-based os for our work. |
| 18:14.44 | brandon_ | why do all my attempts at installing a theme fail |
| 18:14.55 | dtzWill | brandon_: b/c themes are designed to fail and cause problems. |
| 18:15.01 | ryan[WIN] | dtzWill, things seem to be going ok so far |
| 18:15.12 | dtzWill | s/designed to/by their nature/ |
| 18:15.16 | brandon_ | that's what I figured |
| 18:15.24 | dtzWill | ryan[WIN]: hooray |
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| 18:15.57 | dtzWill | phew i don't have to spend hours debugging autotools nightmares :P |
| 18:16.21 | brandon_ | themes used to work on my pre before the 1.4.5 |
| 18:16.31 | ryan[WIN] | dtzWill, we're not out of the woods yet :D |
| 18:16.48 | dtzWill | ryan[WIN]: haha no indeed. i'm still building mine, i had to pause it though b/c i needed to benchmark something |
| 18:17.49 | ryan[WIN] | brb - letting this thingrun |
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| 18:31.29 | dtzWill | oh dammit i built it with the wrong toolchain x.x |
| 18:32.09 | dtzWill | well i don't feel like changing it presently, let me know how it works for you :) |
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| 19:15.52 | ryan[WIN] | dtzWill, i'm still building |
| 19:15.57 | ryan[WIN] | so far it seems like it's working |
| 19:18.17 | dtzWill | hooray |
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| 19:42.58 | ryan[WIN] | dtzWill, it's still working on the armv6 stage which is surprising |
| 19:44.34 | dtzWill | ryan[WIN]: oh it does do armv6 first? or did it finish armv7 :P |
| 19:45.04 | ryan[WIN] | i think it's still on v6 |
| 19:45.19 | ryan[WIN] | yep still on armv6 |
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| 20:09.32 | ryan[WIN] | dtzWill, armv6 failed with a libtool conflict |
| 20:09.40 | ryan[WIN] | trying 'make staging-armv7' |
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| 20:26.41 | ryan[WIN] | wiki needs to be updated to tell people to install libogg-dev or whatever it is |
| 20:52.45 | halfhalo | you know, you could update the wiki... |
| 20:54.50 | swisstomcat | just saying' |
| 20:57.36 | ryan[WIN] | i will update it i'm just remindin' myself |
| 20:58.11 | ryan[WIN] | this is taking eons on my eee pc |
| 20:58.13 | ryan[WIN] | my god |
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| 21:32.56 | Amaranth | Dang, my `make stage` loop seems to have finally failed |
| 21:33.22 | Amaranth | Building fuse says my LT_INIT is from an older version than I'm running |
| 21:33.31 | Amaranth | older libtool, that is |
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| 21:53.35 | halfhalo | sweet jesus it works.... |
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| 21:58.47 | halfhalo | cryptk|wirc: you know that thing we were talking about with the packages? Its working... |
| 21:59.02 | cryptk|wirc | halfhalo: which thing? |
| 21:59.09 | halfhalo | feed thing |
| 21:59.18 | cryptk|wirc | ahh, nice man! |
| 21:59.30 | cryptk|wirc | was a patch to preware needed for it? |
| 21:59.40 | halfhalo | Havent gotten that far :p |
| 21:59.51 | halfhalo | Right now I just have the package building portion done |
| 21:59.57 | cryptk|wirc | ahh, so you just have a custom feed going |
| 22:00.31 | halfhalo | It watches two files, one being appinfo, and when they are modified it triggers a build command for the packages |
| 22:01.21 | cryptk|wirc | sweet, so you are making your own autobuilder |
| 22:01.22 | PuffTheMagic | what thing u talking about |
| 22:01.42 | cryptk|wirc | he is making his own autobuilder for a custom feed |
| 22:02.09 | halfhalo | oh crap..... INFINITE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP |
| 22:02.54 | halfhalo | when the build function is triggered the file its watching gets touched.... triggering another build |
| 22:02.55 | halfhalo | :p |
| 22:03.29 | halfhalo | and right now its rebuilding all the packages every time one changes, which is really wastefull |
| 22:06.25 | halfhalo | but I'll explain more later, getting ready for class right now |
| 22:06.48 | cryptk|wirc | why touch the file? open it readonly, then it won't be timestamped |
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| 22:08.10 | cryptk|wirc | chuqui: how go's things in palm land? |
| 22:08.33 | chuqui | cryptk|wirc: about the same... crazy in a fun way... |
| 22:08.58 | cryptk|wirc | yeah, I got that vibe from some things I read today, lol |
| 22:09.07 | ryan[WIN] | build still going |
| 22:09.36 | cryptk|wirc | ryan[WIN]: you still having WIDK issues? |
| 22:09.36 | ryan[WIN] | Amaranth, try "make staging-armv7" |
| 22:09.49 | ryan[WIN] | cryptk|wirc, i did a completely new os install and it seems to be moving along this time |
| 22:09.59 | ryan[WIN] | the armv6 staging fails but |
| 22:10.02 | ryan[WIN] | armv7 seems to be going ok |
| 22:10.38 | cryptk|wirc | chuqui: there was something I wanted to ask you, but I forgot what it was... you wouldn't happen to have been reading my mind about 3 hours ago would ya? |
| 22:10.39 | ryan[WIN] | the armv6 staging seems to have a libtool config issue |
| 22:10.50 | ryan[WIN] | like, a genuine one |
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| 22:11.07 | ryan[WIN] | cryptk|wirc, i'm keeping an output of my entire from scratch build thing |
| 22:11.13 | ryan[WIN] | it's going to be a ginormous text file |
| 22:11.15 | ryan[WIN] | loooooooool |
| 22:11.21 | cryptk|wirc | good |
| 22:11.47 | chuqui | cryptk|wirc: yes, and then I went and showered. |
| 22:12.23 | cryptk|wirc | oh... sorry about that, lol... I meant 2.5 hours, lol |
| 22:12.24 | chrisA | Good thing we have a shower at work |
| 22:12.44 | cryptk|wirc | don't bother with the shower... won't remove the things that come from my head... |
| 22:12.53 | cryptk|wirc | I remember it now! |
| 22:13.43 | chuqui | cryptk|wirc: heh |
| 22:13.44 | cryptk|wirc | right now SDL doesn't use the GPU, I was brainstorming ways to make it do that... I was wondering if you guys had given it any thought |
| 22:14.04 | chuqui | cryptk|wirc: yes, but not in any way I can talk about outside of the engineering building. |
| 22:14.22 | chuqui | it's definitely something that's on the radar screen |
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| 22:15.30 | cryptk|wirc | cool, I know you can't give details, but knowing it's on the radar is enough for me |
| 22:15.53 | cryptk|wirc | now to see who does it first, you guys or me/we/us |
| 22:15.55 | cryptk|wirc | lol |
| 22:16.04 | cryptk|wirc | (i vote for you guys) |
| 22:16.26 | rwhitby | morning |
| 22:17.20 | cryptk|wirc | funny story btw, someone asked me today 'why doesn't palm make an emulator that runs on an ARM v7' |
| 22:17.31 | scoutcamper | LOLOLOL |
| 22:17.41 | cryptk|wirc | I replied with 'thats called a real pre' |
| 22:18.02 | scoutcamper | epic win |
| 22:18.03 | scoutcamper | ! |
| 22:18.16 | cryptk|wirc | the question did make me LOL |
| 22:18.22 | ryan[WIN] | ok staging-armv7 also fails |
| 22:18.31 | ryan[WIN] | with libtool config issue |
| 22:18.39 | chrisA | Who has an armv7 device they would even want to run the emu on? |
| 22:19.10 | scoutcamper | not me! |
| 22:19.19 | halfhalo | cryptk: it's not me that's touching it, it's palm-install that's touching it or somesuch |
| 22:19.37 | ryan[WIN] | and i have saved my entire backbuffer |
| 22:19.45 | ryan[WIN] | who should i give this backbuffer to |
| 22:20.14 | cryptk|wirc | ryan[WIN]: pastebin it and give us a link |
| 22:20.16 | halfhalo | but not a big deal since I'm changing it to kill the filewatcher before the build and remake it after |
| 22:20.28 | ryan[WIN] | k |
| 22:20.35 | cryptk|wirc | make sure to set the expiration to indef |
| 22:20.47 | halfhalo | since I'm also going to rescan the folder for new projects |
| 22:20.49 | cryptk|wirc | and make sure you don't have any passwords or anything in it |
| 22:23.24 | cryptk|wirc | morning rwhitby |
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| 22:25.24 | ryan[WIN] | it's a hefty hefty pastebin |
| 22:25.25 | ryan[WIN] | 38k lines |
| 22:25.30 | halfhalo | although for now I think I'm going to take the lazy route with the ws and just have a username pass combo in the url itself |
| 22:25.58 | ryan[WIN] | http://proggit.pastebin.com |
| 22:26.00 | ryan[WIN] | er |
| 22:26.16 | ryan[WIN] | http://proggit.pastebin.com/5BHbLZ3V |
| 22:26.46 | ryan[WIN] | from a brand new clean install of ubuntu 10.04 |
| 22:28.03 | ryan[WIN] | following the build instructions on wiki - ends up failing on a common lib on armv7 |
| 22:28.48 | ryan[WIN] | libtool version mismatch |
| 22:29.26 | ryan[WIN] | i initially tried 'make stage' and that failed after a logn while on a libtool, 'make staging-armv7' fails after a long while on libtool |
| 22:29.38 | ryan[WIN] | same basic issue that i had previously but now there should be a bread crumb trail here |
| 22:29.39 | halfhalo | cryptk: all thats really left is to robustify the building process (I sorta hard coded it to palm-package right now), finish the function that makes the Package file (Its 99% done, I just need to make the md5 and size fields), and the webserver (Which is trivial with the lazy way). Oh, and actually make the auth system do something besides looking at the user/pass it gets and saying 'eh' |
| 22:30.18 | cryptk | haha |
| 22:30.39 | ryan[WIN] | as far as i know i didn't do anything wrong in this build process |
| 22:31.13 | halfhalo | hey, the hard stuff is done :p |
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| 22:40.29 | cryptk | ryan[WIN]: go into the packages/common/fuse folder |
| 22:40.29 | cryptk | run `make clobber` |
| 22:40.29 | cryptk | and then `make stage` |
| 22:40.29 | cryptk | let me know what happens |
| 22:44.32 | ryan[WIN] | ok |
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| 22:46.39 | ryan[WIN] | it's builllllldin' |
| 22:47.05 | ryan[WIN] | i'll let you know what happens when it's done and pastebin if it fails |
| 22:47.14 | KittyHeather | Hey, trying to find out if there's irc clients available ... looks like I'm getting the pro in the next day or two |
| 22:47.15 | ryan[WIN] | samee error |
| 22:47.44 | lemketron | hey gang, vote for your favorite phone: http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23073/smartphone-championship-semi-final-nokia-n900-vs-palm-pre.html |
| 22:47.59 | ryan[WIN] | cryptk, http://proggit.pastebin.com/s9LJkxua |
| 22:48.38 | cryptk | KittyHeather: yes |
| 22:48.47 | cryptk | homebrew there is |
| 22:48.50 | cryptk | WIRC |
| 22:49.10 | ryan[WIN] | wirc is pretty good |
| 22:49.12 | KittyHeather | homebrew works, as long as it's not command line ... BASH to talk on irc is not quite my idea of a good time |
| 22:49.13 | ryan[WIN] | i use it <3 |
| 22:49.22 | ryan[WIN] | KittyHeather, nah it's graphical and gesture-y |
| 22:49.28 | KittyHeather | thank you |
| 22:49.33 | cryptk | WIRC is not command line, very nice GUI |
| 22:49.41 | cryptk | and made by us! |
| 22:49.47 | KittyHeather | bonus |
| 22:49.58 | SineOt | wIRC is really nice |
| 22:50.03 | ryan[WIN] | cryptk, i'm all out of ideas |
| 22:50.21 | ryan[WIN] | i put a brand new OS on and errrythin' |
| 22:50.44 | KittyHeather | migrating from a treo 700wx (winmo) so i'm kinda starting all over again |
| 22:52.16 | ryan[WIN] | man i have so much dev i want to do on this pre |
| 22:52.30 | halfhalo | I wanna finish my feed thingie |
| 22:52.30 | ryan[WIN] | and i'm just getting beat up by this build |
| 22:54.16 | cryptk | hang on, I am looking it over |
| 22:54.48 | KittyHeather | one other question, and then i'll leave you guys alone ... I use Palringo right now to get Yahoo messenger over the data connection (vs. SMS that Verizon uses) ... is there a similar program that I can find? |
| 22:55.26 | KittyHeather | can't tell if MobiOS does that |
| 22:55.35 | SineOt | The built in WebOS messenger + the Yahoo patch ;) |
| 22:55.38 | SineOt | er, MobiOS? |
| 22:55.45 | halfhalo | has yahoo messenger on his phone natively |
| 22:56.47 | ryan[WIN] | cryptk, take your time - i just want to make sure i'm being as helpful as possible |
| 22:56.57 | KittyHeather | patch works ... thanks ... i'll likely be back after i got the phone online |
| 22:57.00 | ryan[WIN] | i'd assume that if i'm having this issue anyoen with a clean os install would too |
| 22:57.15 | halfhalo | cryptk: the feed thingie may/may not talk to git :p |
| 22:57.47 | cryptk | ryan[WIN]: `sudo aptitude install automake` |
| 22:57.56 | cryptk | then try the make clobber && make stage again |
| 22:59.01 | ryan[WIN] | ok |
| 22:59.13 | ryan[WIN] | it installed 0 packages and removed qemu-static thingy that was removed in a previous step |
| 22:59.24 | ryan[WIN] | (autotools already installed?) |
| 22:59.39 | ryan[WIN] | will pastebin results if it errors |
| 23:01.10 | ryan[WIN] | ok same deal |
| 23:01.12 | ryan[WIN] | pastebins |
| 23:01.18 | cryptk | hrm... |
| 23:01.31 | cryptk | dtzWill: is the one that knows the most about this thing |
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| 23:01.39 | cryptk | here is how I usually build it |
| 23:01.47 | cryptk | make -j4 staging-armv7 |
| 23:01.58 | cryptk | and it will error out a few times but just keep running it, lol |
| 23:02.05 | halfhalo | I'm also deciding wether I'm caring enough to log the results of a build if it spits out an error.. instead of just sticking it in the console like now |
| 23:02.12 | cryptk | I am thinking that something doesn't have it's dependencies set properly |
| 23:02.20 | ryan[WIN] | http://proggit.pastebin.com/f1a7pfwk |
| 23:02.32 | ryan[WIN] | what does the -j4 do |
| 23:02.49 | cryptk | makes it run 4 makes at one time |
| 23:02.57 | PuffTheMagic | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=mesa_gallium3d_d3d11&num=1 |
| 23:03.01 | PuffTheMagic | ^^^ this is fucking awesome |
| 23:03.03 | ryan[WIN] | well |
| 23:03.07 | cryptk | so eventually it will get it's dependencies straight |
| 23:03.13 | ryan[WIN] | that's pretty horrendous loool |
| 23:03.23 | ryan[WIN] | i have to rely on a heisenbug to make the widk |
| 23:03.32 | ryan[WIN] | BUT HEY CRAZIER THINGS HAVE HAPPENED |
| 23:04.04 | ryan[WIN] | here we go |
| 23:04.12 | ryan[WIN] | trying the make -j4 staging-armv7 |
| 23:04.30 | ryan[WIN] | haha my eee pc is dying |
| 23:04.33 | ryan[WIN] | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.16 | ryan[WIN] | will let you knw how it goes |
| 23:05.22 | ryan[WIN] | and pastebin output if it fails |
| 23:05.50 | SineOt | I got my G4 mini's load averages up into like 80.5+ ranges lol |
| 23:06.07 | ryan[WIN] | oh yeah i could run a fork loop and bring the system down completely |
| 23:06.21 | ryan[WIN] | i'm on a 32bit cpu with no swap |
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| 23:06.50 | ryan[WIN] | wouldn't even need more than a few thousand fork'd processes to panic |
| 23:20.16 | ryan[WIN] | ok it failed again |
| 23:20.20 | ryan[WIN] | heisenbug did not work for me |
| 23:20.21 | ryan[WIN] | ;< |
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| 23:52.13 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic: holy shit. is that for real or should i take it with the normal phoronix grain of salt? |
| 23:52.29 | PuffTheMagic | its real |
| 23:52.32 | PuffTheMagic | it dont compile yet |
| 23:52.37 | PuffTheMagic | according to peple i know |
| 23:52.38 | PuffTheMagic | but |
| 23:52.43 | PuffTheMagic | ya |
| 23:52.46 | PuffTheMagic | fucking sweet |
| 23:52.53 | PuffTheMagic | too bad wine devs wont use it |
| 23:53.27 | dtzWill | why the hell not :(. |
| 23:53.29 | PuffTheMagic | how great it woul dbe to play civ5 on linux in full speed |
| 23:53.35 | PuffTheMagic | dtzWill, idk |
| 23:53.37 | dtzWill | or /any/ dx10/dx11 games |
| 23:53.39 | PuffTheMagic | thats just what i hear |
| 23:53.45 | PuffTheMagic | if they dont, someone will fork wine |
| 23:53.46 | PuffTheMagic | and use it |
| 23:53.49 | PuffTheMagic | and wine will die |
| 23:54.10 | dtzWill | that would be *huge* |
| 23:54.20 | dtzWill | it seems the wine guys would find it easier, less crap to maintain lol |
| 23:54.40 | dtzWill | (and they get dx11 which they don't have) |
| 23:54.42 | PuffTheMagic | ya well |
| 23:54.50 | PuffTheMagic | gallium is hardly mainstream yet |
| 23:54.51 | SineOt | I don't think wine would die |
| 23:54.55 | dtzWill | but they have invested quite a bit in it already so i can imagine reluctance |
| 23:54.58 | SineOt | you'd just end up with something like Cider |
| 23:54.59 | PuffTheMagic | it would be very expenive for them to commit to a change at this point |
| 23:55.04 | SineOt | Cider/Wine |
| 23:55.22 | dtzWill | at least as long as it's not clear that gallium thing works WELL and is superior |
| 23:55.28 | PuffTheMagic | SineOt, what is the clever acronym for cider? |
| 23:55.37 | SineOt | no idea |
| 23:55.39 | dtzWill | but no one wants them to regress by switching to it too soon, at least from an end user's perspective |
| 23:55.53 | PuffTheMagic | dtzWill, once gallium is default in mesa the wine devs will use it |
| 23:55.54 | SineOt | but it's basically a company doing their own version of Wine + their stuff designed for gaming |