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| 00:31.02 | krushia_ | [2010-09-25 00:04:20] (wIRC) Uncaught Error: NOT_FOUND_ERR: DOM Exception 8, file:///media/cryptofs/apps/usr/palm/applications/org.webosinternals.wirc/app/assistants/app-assistant.js:53 |
| 00:31.19 | halfhalo | happens |
| 00:31.51 | krushia_ | how does one fix that without rebooting the phone? |
| 00:32.09 | halfhalo | is it actually breaking anything? |
| 00:32.31 | krushia_ | just wirc... fails to start |
| 00:32.43 | halfhalo | hmm.... no idea |
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| 00:35.12 | krushia_ | got an email from at&t just now. apparently the $60 "unlimited data rate for life" isn't for life |
| 00:35.15 | krushia_ | http://pastebin.org/1157031 |
| 00:35.37 | krushia_ | i miss the good old days of cingular :( |
| 00:35.41 | halfhalo | lol |
| 00:36.07 | SineOt | out of curiosity, what are you doing that draws down more than 5gb in a month |
| 00:36.11 | acydlord | me too, i had an OGO on cingular before at&t bought them and cancelled it off :p |
| 00:38.35 | krushia_ | i use my phone om the road for internet, mostly vnc that eats it, but now i'm into podcast downloads, ampache, and uploading videos via pixelpipe... |
| 00:39.06 | krushia_ | i guess ampache has to go |
| 00:39.23 | krushia_ | and video uploads have to wait |
| 00:39.24 | krushia_ | meh |
| 00:39.54 | SineOt | VNC is probably the big killer |
| 00:39.58 | krushia_ | perhaps time to switch carriers |
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| 00:45.09 | acydlord | I enjoy my sprint and using mytether since they dont care about data used on the actual phone |
| 00:45.48 | acydlord | although i'm probably gonna get the overdrive once my area gets 4g |
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| 00:47.59 | krushia_ | i abandoned verizon for cingular way back then because data hardly ever worked when roaming on cdma... whereas gsm pretty much guaranteed gprs no matter whose tower it was |
| 00:48.51 | acydlord | i usually have evdo even when i have low or no service on cdma |
| 00:49.39 | acydlord | thankfully to have no service i have to be somewhere extremely remote |
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| 00:50.13 | krushia_ | they also used to cripple all the phones, but it seems that practice is all over with, especially with verizon pushing android |
| 00:50.28 | acydlord | verizon still cripples phones |
| 00:51.02 | acydlord | i remember when i had verizon they tried to charge me to be able to use the bluetooth on my phone |
| 00:51.31 | krushia_ | i was involved in the v710 lawsuit over bluetooth crippling |
| 00:51.47 | krushia_ | that was the last straw |
| 00:52.08 | SineOt | yeah, Verizon still cripples, they just do things in their own ways |
| 00:52.21 | SineOt | like... wanting to have their own version of the Android Market where they control the apps in it |
| 00:52.31 | SineOt | rolling out their own location APIs instead of using the stock ones |
| 00:52.48 | halfhalo | killing hippies... oh wait |
| 00:53.05 | acydlord | i'm honestly surprised verizon includes buttons on the phone with no extra charge |
| 00:53.15 | halfhalo | lol |
| 00:53.16 | SineOt | well yeah a bit of that too, they love funding some weird weird politicians |
| 00:53.24 | SineOt | but that's neither here nor there |
| 00:53.39 | krushia_ | maybe i'll grab up a free webos offering from sprint |
| 00:55.23 | krushia_ | paid oodles of monies for pre plus on at&t, mainly because of the awesome unlimited data plan i expected to stick around forever |
| 00:56.07 | acydlord | i actually got $20 back for my pixi, ended up paying almost full price for my pre though |
| 01:09.09 | Amaranth | So it seems the code Palm provides for SDL doesn't actually result in something that compiles |
| 01:09.19 | Amaranth | Has anyone managed to get this to compile? |
| 01:13.58 | dtzWill | Amaranth: afaik no. missing headers right? |
| 01:14.18 | Amaranth | dtzWill: It's missing the opengles bits so I guess so |
| 01:16.02 | Amaranth | Well, there goes building host libs for the PDK... |
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| 01:17.08 | Amaranth | Well, I guess that's probably in the include files for the PDK... |
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| 01:17.34 | Amaranth | eep halfhalo is logging me with nodejs :P |
| 01:17.43 | halfhalo | no, its not working |
| 01:17.45 | halfhalo | :p |
| 01:17.59 | halfhalo | stupid regex is failing hard... |
| 01:26.13 | Amaranth | wtf, even the SDL_opengles.h header doesn't provide SDL_OPENGLES |
| 01:27.47 | dtzWill | Amaranth: iirc it had missing pieces with napp (or w/e it was called that generated the events), maybe some other libs |
| 01:27.54 | Amaranth | ha, it's just a copy of the gl.h and glext.h headers |
| 01:28.12 | Amaranth | that's all SDL_opengles.h and SDL_opengles_ext.h headers are |
| 01:28.38 | Amaranth | dtzWill: Oh, I'm not defining the PALM env variable, trying to build a desktop version of the lib |
| 01:28.50 | Amaranth | I've got dgles built, need SDL now |
| 01:29.00 | dtzWill | Amaranth: oh, how are you expecting that to be different than normal SDL? |
| 01:29.16 | Amaranth | dtzWill: Err, the OpenGL ES support |
| 01:29.17 | dtzWill | i would (naively?) expect without the PALM def it would be the same as 'regular' SDL |
| 01:29.35 | Amaranth | Nope, it sets up an accelerometer emulator or something too at least |
| 01:29.43 | Amaranth | and makes changes to SDL_audio and etc |
| 01:29.50 | dtzWill | Amaranth: shows what i know, march on :). |
| 01:29.52 | Amaranth | It's a 450kB diff file... |
| 01:30.24 | dtzWill | Amaranth: keep me/us posted, i know i'd /love/ to be able to test my pdk apps on my computer |
| 01:30.26 | halfhalo | omg... i hate regex with a passion |
| 01:30.46 | Amaranth | Ah, they have a custom SDL_video.h that they _don't_ include in their patch |
| 01:30.54 | Amaranth | That's not even legal.. |
| 01:31.17 | halfhalo | it will fail if there is an s in it.. |
| 01:31.35 | Amaranth | halfhalo: regex is not the right way to parse IRC |
| 01:31.51 | halfhalo | its not for irc perse |
| 01:31.57 | halfhalo | thats already being taken care of |
| 01:32.25 | halfhalo | heh.... heheh... forgot to escape \s |
| 01:32.40 | halfhalo | !palm id com.silentbluesystems.steamfriendspro |
| 01:32.40 | nodejs-log | No Record of com.silentbluesystems.steamfriendspro! |
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| 01:33.00 | halfhalo | YOU SAW NOTHIN |
| 01:33.18 | Amaranth | Getting closer to getting this built, complaining about EGL stuff now |
| 01:34.09 | Amaranth | Luckily mesa has EGL support now |
| 01:34.23 | Amaranth | Although if that's the fix this thing will only work on Ubuntu 10.10 |
| 01:35.26 | Amaranth | Ok, that failed spectacularly, it seems they are leaving quite a lot out of their SDL patch |
| 01:35.46 | Amaranth | I think it's time to contact Palm, actually |
| 01:37.19 | halfhalo | doitdoitdoit |
| 01:37.40 | Amaranth | Well, let me dig deeper here |
| 01:37.55 | dtzWill | Amaranth: oh on windows they actually let you test apps on host?! |
| 01:37.59 | Amaranth | Perhaps this part of the patch only applies correctly when building on Windows |
| 01:38.03 | Amaranth | dtzWill: Yes, and on OS X |
| 01:38.09 | dtzWill | ooooooo wow that would be excellent. |
| 01:38.18 | Amaranth | They have a /opt/PalmPDK/host directory full of libs |
| 01:38.30 | Amaranth | You link to those instead and you get a little window with your app running |
| 01:38.32 | dtzWill | it would be *especially* excellent if i could start testing pixi-like hardware |
| 01:38.49 | dtzWill | Amaranth: yeah, that's excellent. |
| 01:38.51 | Amaranth | Oh, this is completely different from Pre or Pixi |
| 01:39.10 | Amaranth | You can test on here to make sure the code at least seems to do what you want without installing to the device every build |
| 01:39.19 | dtzWill | Amaranth: oh I was hoping it had some way of faking those, guess that's what the emulator is for |
| 01:39.22 | Amaranth | But it doesn't really work the same way, different GL drivers and such |
| 01:39.24 | dtzWill | Amaranth: I understand :( |
| 01:39.49 | dtzWill | does the emulator support SDL at all? |
| 01:39.56 | dtzWill | SDL w/o gles? |
| 01:39.59 | Amaranth | And they appear to have a way to do GLES2 on the host too while dgles only gave me GLES |
| 01:40.00 | Amaranth | Nope |
| 01:40.53 | dtzWill | Amaranth: well i wonder what it's take to do a gles2->gl wrapper |
| 01:41.22 | dtzWill | iirc they're fairly similar, gles2 being a relatively nice subset...of.. a version of gl i thought i remembered |
| 01:41.27 | Amaranth | OpenGL 4.1 support on the host ;) |
| 01:42.00 | Amaranth | I imagine you can get by with less but if you had OpenGL 4.1 support you could just use that and try not to use anything outside of what GLES2 actually supports |
| 01:42.22 | dtzWill | Amaranth: yeah but that's just a matter of using GLES2 headers and letting the rest go undefined |
| 01:42.35 | dtzWill | compiler-enforced compat ftw |
| 01:43.59 | Amaranth | Actually it looks like you could almost get away with doing that with OpenGL 2.0 |
| 01:44.20 | dtzWill | Amaranth: then maybe that's it. one of the versions of GL is pretty damn close |
| 01:44.22 | Amaranth | And yay Intel gives me 2.1 |
| 01:44.29 | dtzWill | Amaranth: hooray. intel? |
| 01:44.52 | Amaranth | 4.1 was the first release that actually added all of the bits to let you just change the headers and compile |
| 01:45.04 | Amaranth | But GL2 is pretty close to GLES2 |
| 01:45.33 | dtzWill | Amaranth: ah, kk. |
| 01:45.45 | Amaranth | That's why AMD is now shipping EGL, GLES, and GLES2 drivers on Windows, once you support 4.1 it's simple to provide |
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| 01:49.28 | Amaranth | downloads a massive PowerVR SDK |
| 01:49.51 | Amaranth | Hopefully this provides Linux libraries, it doesn't specify but the others I checked all specifically say windows |
| 01:50.06 | Amaranth | It's a tar.gz so I think it will |
| 01:50.23 | cryptk | tar.gz is good news if you are looking for linux |
| 01:50.31 | cryptk | not a guarantee, but a good indicator |
| 01:50.31 | halfhalo | your linux |
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| 01:51.53 | halfhalo | badumpsh |
| 01:52.09 | Zen00 | Just got back from an Alumni dinner. |
| 01:52.41 | Zen00 | They were throwing a welcome back to school party for people from the Kansas City area. |
| 01:52.55 | Zen00 | Pizza and ice cream, yum. |
| 01:53.16 | acydlord | they held it at chuck e cheese? |
| 01:53.23 | halfhalo | That would be win |
| 01:53.31 | Amaranth | Ok, so it seems what they've actually left out is how they made this crap work on OS X and Windows |
| 01:54.08 | Amaranth | I think I'm going to have to write a custom SDL_video backend mixing the OpenGL/GLX backend and the GLES/Palm backend |
| 01:55.09 | Zen00 | So, I really want to do a SNES style RPG for the Pre, but I need someone to program it, how would I go about finding someone to do that? |
| 01:55.39 | acydlord | just port cavestory |
| 01:55.47 | cryptk | Zen00: you could start with learning C or C++ |
| 01:55.59 | halfhalo | oh god cavestory |
| 01:56.09 | Zen00 | :P |
| 01:56.38 | Zen00 | Nah, I'm good at story, moderately good at art, good at design, but I'm no great shakes at programming. |
| 01:57.05 | Zen00 | I'd need an artist type, a programmer type, and me. |
| 01:57.34 | Zen00 | I tried taking programming here, but I failed miserably. |
| 02:00.29 | Zen00 | scares the fish in his koi pond |
| 02:01.20 | halfhalo | lol |
| 02:02.56 | Amaranth | Ok so it seems the actual problem is SDL_fbvideo.c unconditionally compiles webOS specific things but SDL_fbvideo.h wisely only defines the things it needs ifdef PALM |
| 02:03.15 | Amaranth | And the things in the C file use ioctl and such to manipulate the Pre/Pixi hardware |
| 02:03.28 | Amaranth | This is such a fuckup |
| 02:03.43 | Amaranth | dtzWill: This seems to be the part you were talking about with napp |
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| 02:13.09 | Amaranth | gah |
| 02:13.28 | halfhalo | lol |
| 02:13.34 | Amaranth | They do a little ifdef to define SDL_FBCON_VFB 1 or 0 then all of their checks for it are #ifdef |
| 02:14.02 | Amaranth | So it always includes the code wrapped in #ifdef SDL_FBCON_VFB even though that's not what they meant to do |
| 02:15.31 | Amaranth | It builds! Ship it! |
| 02:17.16 | Amaranth | So I should be able to get everything except libpdl and libSDL_cinema |
| 02:17.21 | Amaranth | And I might not be able to get GLES2 |
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| 02:23.56 | Zen00 | Amaranth: What are you building anyways? |
| 02:24.15 | Amaranth | Zen00: a proper Linux PDK |
| 02:24.29 | Zen00 | What for? |
| 02:24.32 | Amaranth | dang, my SDL build still references DisplayFps |
| 02:24.41 | Amaranth | Zen00: Because I want one :) |
| 02:24.55 | Zen00 | All right. I wish I could do that kind of stuff. :( |
| 02:25.12 | Zen00 | What I can do is make a better dish washing detergent at will using the power of chemistry! |
| 02:25.36 | Amaranth | No scratchbox crap, no chance of accidentally including stuff from the homebrew scene that isn't allowed in the catalog |
| 02:25.48 | Amaranth | Also it allows me to reuse my makefiles and such from OS X easily :) |
| 02:25.55 | Zen00 | And if I get lucky, publish a paper on the ethanol content of local gasahol. |
| 02:25.57 | Amaranth | Oh, and because Palm hasn't done it yet |
| 02:26.44 | Zen00 | Stupid Dr. Battery... |
| 02:27.54 | Amaranth | Whoa whoa whoa |
| 02:27.58 | Amaranth | I think my SDL build works... |
| 02:27.59 | Zen00 | Bah humbug, every time the voltage drops to the point I can start calibration, it tells me something has interrupted the calibration, even though I haven't even put it on the Touchstone yet. |
| 02:28.12 | Amaranth | Yeah, it works |
| 02:28.17 | Zen00 | And now my Pre has shut down, so I can't calibrate it. :P |
| 02:28.33 | Zen00 | Oh well, it's only 2 or 3 percent off right now, not the 20% it was the first time around. |
| 02:28.41 | Zen00 | Congrats! |
| 02:29.18 | Amaranth | Well, it works well enough for my mainloop demo to run |
| 02:29.23 | Zen00 | By the way, read this comic for awesomness. http://www.webcomicsnation.com/uvernon/irrationalfears/series.php |
| 02:29.35 | Amaranth | Need to build the other SDL components to test my demo game code |
| 02:29.42 | Zen00 | The artist publishes children's books that I see in the library occasionally. |
| 02:29.49 | Amaranth | Which hilariously does not use my mainloop code |
| 02:30.06 | Zen00 | Another game I'd like to see on the Pre is a clone of the old DOS game, Shooting Gallery. |
| 02:31.46 | Zen00 | A cool app would be one that has an entire reference of Mythbusters episodes, and references to where they are on the web so that you tap on the one you want to watch and it opens (as far as non-flash sites go). |
| 02:34.44 | Amaranth | oh god, they link to libavutil |
| 02:34.54 | Amaranth | and libavformat |
| 02:35.04 | Amaranth | crosses fingers and prays the API hasn't changed |
| 02:35.29 | Amaranth | This is probably SDL fail though, I don't think Palm patches libsdl-mixer much |
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| 02:45.40 | Amaranth | Ha, in the end it links to the copies in /usr/lib, need some LD_LIBRARY_PATH magic |
| 02:47.15 | Amaranth | But with that it links to my libraries and it runs! |
| 02:49.39 | Amaranth | Now I wonder if anyone else would want this |
| 02:50.09 | dtzWill | Amaranth: what do you have? does it support GLES/accelerometer/the things that make it better than using normal host copiues of SDL? |
| 02:50.45 | Amaranth | dtzWill: I haven't looked closely at the accelerometer emulation to see how that is supposed to work but it does GLES 1 |
| 02:51.22 | Amaranth | But if you aren't using Ubuntu 10.10 on amd64 it won't be useful for you |
| 02:51.33 | Amaranth | Well, it probably works with fedora rawhide too |
| 02:52.28 | dtzWill | Amaranth: great! gles is a big start :) |
| 02:52.41 | dtzWill | Amaranth: accel ends up just being a joystick as exposed to the app |
| 02:52.47 | Amaranth | Oh, but I probably can't distribute it, considering it uses parts of the official Palm PDK |
| 02:52.58 | dtzWill | Amaranth: so i'd imagine you could just hook up any ol' joystick for testing :) |
| 02:53.07 | Amaranth | I know how it works in PDK app code, I meant how they implement the emulation in SDL |
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| 02:53.25 | Amaranth | They have extra code to fake an accelerometer that doesn't appear to be a joystick |
| 02:53.31 | dtzWill | oh, i just meant it matters less :). |
| 02:53.38 | dtzWill | Amaranth: ahh okay :) |
| 02:55.24 | dtzWill | well congrats! |
| 02:55.34 | dtzWill | even if you can't ship the result you can ship a build system for the result |
| 02:55.39 | Amaranth | Oh, cute, the accelerometer emulation does hold LSHIFT and move the mouse |
| 02:56.05 | Amaranth | dtzWill: I had to patch Palm's SDL patch |
| 02:56.24 | Amaranth | And it just pulled the toolchain out of the half built WIDK |
| 02:57.14 | dtzWill | i think most people here would be interesting in (gulp) nuking much of the existing WIDK, it's too unmaintainable |
| 02:57.24 | dtzWill | with respect to people wanting to maintain it anyway |
| 02:57.34 | dtzWill | and so having something that works like the otehr PDK's would be glorious |
| 02:57.42 | dtzWill | and having nice host support would be a fantastic part of that |
| 02:58.56 | Amaranth | dtzWill: I could tar the 'pdk' folder I built the SDL and dgles stuff from and let you sort it out ;) |
| 02:59.02 | Amaranth | Otherwise I suppose I'll do it eventually |
| 02:59.25 | Amaranth | Or I could just package the final result and wait for someone to complain :D |
| 03:01.55 | Amaranth | Ok, the accelerometer emulation works, tested with the pdk-chipmunk-test |
| 03:05.50 | dtzWill | Amaranth: nice! |
| 03:05.55 | dtzWill | Amaranth: grats |
| 03:06.05 | dtzWill | i gtg, but keep up the good work everyone XD :) |
| 03:10.38 | Amaranth | holy crap this is 1.5GB of stuff |
| 03:11.22 | bpadalino | just zip it up |
| 03:12.31 | Amaranth | Well, the OS X version is only 388MB of stuff |
| 03:12.40 | Amaranth | So I have extras somewhere, I guess in the toolchain |
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| 03:13.37 | Amaranth | Yep, my arm-gcc directory is 1.5GB of stuff |
| 03:14.10 | Amaranth | Oh, I have an extra directory in there I don't need |
| 03:16.50 | Amaranth | There we go, down to ~450MB |
| 03:17.22 | Amaranth | And gzip got it down to 126MB, yay |
| 03:18.55 | Amaranth | That'll only take all night to upload... |
| 03:19.11 | bpadalino | gzip it again |
| 03:19.17 | Amaranth | uh |
| 03:20.08 | Amaranth | wow, that actually cut 100MB off |
| 03:20.17 | Amaranth | err, I meant got it down to 100MB |
| 03:20.53 | dtzWill | Amaranth: do you need to ship the toolchain too? or can people just extract codesourcery's? |
| 03:21.01 | dtzWill | oh you're on it. nvm :) |
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| 03:23.31 | Amaranth | Trying 7zip now, see if I can make it smaller |
| 03:26.18 | Amaranth | Wow, 54MB |
| 03:27.16 | bpadalino | soon, a single byte will represent it all! |
| 03:28.20 | rwhitby | one thing to remember about a homebrew Linux PDK is that we can't actually distribute any of Palm's files - we have to distribute a script which downloads stuff from Palm and massages it into a Linux PDK. |
| 03:28.47 | rwhitby | but I agree with dtzWill - a true host-emulating just-the-bare-minimum Linux PDK would be awesome |
| 03:28.49 | Amaranth | bpadalino: Sure, you'll just need a 400MB inflation program to open it |
| 03:29.11 | bpadalino | true |
| 03:29.24 | Amaranth | I suppose I could try to script building it... |
| 03:29.38 | Amaranth | The problem is I already have it which makes it hard for me to put more effort in to it ;) |
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| 04:20.27 | acydlord | fail, apparently the contacts app can't sync to google accounts that are only for google voice |
| 04:21.41 | Amaranth | acydlord: I believe such accounts only have a GV specific API for managing contacts |
| 04:23.04 | acydlord | that would be a fail, i dun goofed and deleted the google apps account my contacts were on, then remembered about 30 seconds too late |
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| 04:37.48 | zelton | greetings |
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| 06:32.23 | ixs | hmmmm. I have a dead palm. It went swimming with a car and me... Are there any hardware hackers how have taken a look at the flash rom and its controller chips on the pre? |
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| 06:36.19 | cryptk | ixs: you can /possibly/ fix it |
| 06:36.27 | cryptk | sorry to hear about your water landing in a car btw |
| 06:37.26 | cryptk | ixs: take the battery out, set it on the dashboard of your car (the phone and the battery) for about two days, or a windowsill, somewhere that gets plenty of sun |
| 06:37.39 | cryptk | wait until you cannot see ANY signs of moisture |
| 06:37.48 | cryptk | even around the screen |
| 06:37.57 | cryptk | then see if it turns on |
| 06:38.07 | cryptk | if it doesn't, a new battery has a decent chance of bringing it back |
| 06:38.20 | cryptk | as long as you haven't tried to turn it on since it got wet |
| 06:38.37 | cryptk | if you tried to turn it on after it got wet, your chances are significantly lower |
| 06:40.10 | ixs | cryptk: The palm might be okay. I am not sure however. Good news: Palm was in my pocket in the orange black leather sleeve. And I got out of the car pretty quick. That meant not too much water. Problem: Someone of the "helpful" observers tried putting the phone together while it was lying in the sun... So I fear it might be fried. (Haven't tried it myself yet, as I planned on waiting for a week or so...) I'm just researching ... |
| 06:40.17 | ixs | ... options. |
| 06:41.24 | cryptk | just putting it together may not have hurt it, I forget if they try and turn on once the battery is put in |
| 06:41.27 | ixs | In case the thing is half way alive I was hoping on novacomd and a flash dump. If this is not an option I thought about desoldering the flash chips and seeing if I can salvage something. possibly use an usb stick and replace the flash... |
| 06:41.49 | ixs | it doesn't turn on automatically... but... |
| 06:41.56 | cryptk | shouldn't hurt it any more then |
| 06:42.31 | cryptk | I would let it finish drying out, (some people bake them in an oven, I know Rahul Sood has done it with a Pre that he got wet) |
| 06:42.57 | cryptk | he mentioned it when he was a guest on a podcast, forget if it was PreCentral or WebosRoundup |
| 06:43.37 | cryptk | if it doesn't turn on, if you have a friend with a pre, try their battery |
| 06:43.47 | cryptk | if that works, then just get a new battery |
| 06:43.55 | cryptk | I have had that work for several peoples phones |
| 06:43.58 | ixs | ohh hell. I am not going to bake the thing... And buying a new one or so is not a problem if it is flakey or so... All I am caring about are the pics. :D |
| 06:44.14 | ixs | but thanks for the pointers. will try them. |
| 06:44.30 | SineOt | desiccant gel packs are nice to have around too |
| 06:44.34 | SineOt | if you happen to have any |
| 06:44.34 | cryptk | hrm... not sure of how to get the pics off without turning it on |
| 06:44.51 | cryptk | yes, those work wonders, but few people have enough of them to do the trick |
| 06:45.30 | ixs | but hey, back when I'm home in amsterdam or so... which will be in a few days... I have most of the good tools at home, but right now it's vacation time on the Balkan... and no equipment... |
| 06:47.03 | cryptk | people vacation in the Balkans? |
| 06:47.34 | SineOt | yup |
| 06:47.45 | cryptk | wow, never knew there was anything interesting there... |
| 06:50.14 | SineOt | not everyone goes on vacation to see something interesting ;p |
| 06:50.21 | SineOt | sometimes they go to get away from it, lol |
| 06:50.50 | cryptk | true |
| 06:50.53 | cryptk | like camping |
| 06:51.05 | cryptk | not to see cool things, but to 'get away' for a bit |
| 06:52.58 | ixs | cryptk: jupp. people go on vacation on the balkans. In my case what I visited were some nature parks, architecture, beautiful women(seem to have quite a few here. :D) etc. the usual... :D ohh, and I got a story to tell my kids in a few years. how the car I was in fell from a bridge and landed head first in a river and nobody drowned... :D |
| 06:53.26 | ixs | in this case it wasn't camping though. I found I didn't like it anymore since I was hired by an online hotel reservation service. :D |
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| 06:54.05 | ixs | ohhh. I didn't visit the beautiful women. I visited the bars which featured them... takl about bad choice of words... |
| 06:54.17 | cryptk | hahaha |
| 06:54.38 | cryptk | anyways, my 'date' with sam (Samuel Adams, american beer) is over |
| 06:54.44 | cryptk | and as such, time for me to sleep |
| 06:54.55 | cryptk | ixs good luck with your wet pre |
| 06:55.04 | ixs | thx. and good night to you. |
| 07:09.11 | ryan[WIN] | wheeel in the skyyyy keeps on turrrrninnnn |
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| 07:34.19 | jack87 | hello peoples |
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| 08:14.12 | dtzWill | jack87: 'ello! :) |
| 08:14.31 | jack87 | Hi will |
| 08:14.56 | jack87 | dtzWill: love seeing your apps get attention! |
| 08:18.08 | dtzWill | jack87: me too :D xD |
| 08:18.12 | dtzWill | good for webos-internals too |
| 08:19.47 | jack87 | yup indeed! are you getting a lot of downloads now? |
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| 09:10.04 | oil | rwhitby: hey |
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| 10:50.56 | Darkmagister | it's possible to change all the theme of the phone from palm light to palm dark ??? for all the app ??? |
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| 13:03.44 | MetaView | hi |
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| 13:59.56 | rboatright | hi |
| 14:00.07 | nammyunh | hullo folks |
| 14:00.16 | krushia_ | oh hai |
| 14:01.29 | rboatright | hi back |
| 14:05.45 | nammyunh | I had a question about preware 1.3.8 - it look like something borked with the app catalog on my pre plus - I can't install any app updates, or, indeed, open the list of installed apps from the app catalog. Uninstalling preware seems to fix this, though I never had a problem before, say, two days ago or so. It's probably something else on my side, but I was just wondering whether anyone else has reported something similar |
| 14:08.32 | rboatright | ouch. |
| 14:10.32 | nammyunh | new apps install fine, fwiw. |
| 14:11.40 | rboatright | uh... me too? wow. rod won't be around for another 5 hrs or so. post a note in the thread at precentral |
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| 14:15.05 | krushia_ | hmm... i have that issue too. i can install updates individually in the catalog, but cant open the updates app with the full list |
| 14:16.19 | krushia_ | well it opens but gives me the fail screen after a few secs |
| 14:16.43 | nammyunh | yup that's what I get. |
| 14:17.06 | rboatright | me too |
| 14:17.28 | rboatright | post an error report please... |
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| 14:17.55 | nammyunh | will check precentral and post a bug post, if someone hasn't already |
| 14:27.32 | krushia_ | [2010-09-25 14:24:12] (LunaSysMgr) user.crit: com.palm.app.findapps: Error: CatalogServer._callServer {"errorCodes": "DISC0025", "message": "Could not locate the application"}, palmInitFramework347:2527 |
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| 14:27.55 | krushia_ | thats the error logged |
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| 14:35.52 | nammyunh | I cheched pre central and the thread there suggests that it's a bug on Palm's side: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-internals/245792-preware-1-x-50.html |
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| 14:45.46 | MetaView | I wonder what is preware using to apply patches? |
| 14:46.06 | MetaView | something internal or a separate command? |
| 15:05.00 | MetaView | how can I get the patch command on my Palm Pixi without network access? |
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| 16:35.01 | ka6sox | its waaaaaaaay too early.... |
| 16:35.30 | halfhalo | oh shush you |
| 16:35.40 | halfhalo | its 9:30 |
| 16:36.04 | halfhalo | hands ka6sox coffee |
| 16:44.14 | ka6sox | gulps the coffee and asks for another |
| 16:46.14 | halfhalo | sends ka6sox a whole pot o coffee |
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| 17:35.37 | actionfigure | :) |
| 17:35.38 | actionfigure | help! |
| 17:35.41 | actionfigure | on linux |
| 17:35.59 | actionfigure | installed eclipse, virtualbox, sdk, java, and i have firefox and chrome |
| 17:36.05 | actionfigure | emulator works but its super slow |
| 17:36.19 | actionfigure | and firefox and chrome do not work properly |
| 17:36.45 | actionfigure | firefox wil not produce all the folders that it should so i cant go back and continue working |
| 17:36.55 | actionfigure | chrome does the same thing and i can not upload images |
| 17:37.12 | actionfigure | eclipse doesnt look like ares at all.. |
| 17:37.15 | actionfigure | anyone :( |
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| 17:48.28 | Guest49066 | im trying to install and download the preware but when i install the preware bit on the webos quick install it says there is no device found yet my pre is on developer mode 'enabled' and its plugged in and i've followed the instructions |
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| 19:25.25 | jhojho | proof that a palm pre runs at -25C |
| 19:25.27 | jhojho | http://twitpic.com/2rxc60 |
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| 21:07.29 | jack87 | ka6sox: are you here my friend? |
| 21:49.48 | ka6sox | jack87, yeppers |
| 21:50.10 | jack87 | ka6sox: how have you been? |
| 21:50.21 | nodejs-log | Hello ka6sox! |
| 21:50.26 | halfhalo | :p |
| 21:51.56 | ka6sox | tired but okay |
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| 22:53.06 | SineOt | sconix: a bit of an odd question, I'm sure: but would it be possible at some point to have both Mode Switcher and Advanced launcher prefs work together? I have a "driving" mode, and it'd be awesome to have it also switch to using larger icons :x |
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| 23:18.16 | jack87 | SineOt: that would require for the phone to do a luna restart you should contact the dev for mode switcher and see if that is something he wants to do. |
| 23:18.47 | SineOt | uh, you can change the icon size with the Advanced Launcher Prefs that sconix wrote without a luna restart |
| 23:19.07 | jack87 | Oh nice.. I havent played with that feature yet |
| 23:19.33 | SineOt | you can change basically everything that used to require a separate patch to do in the preferences for it |
| 23:20.45 | SineOt | also sconix developed both of them so hence my asking :p |
| 23:21.36 | jack87 | Haha.. very intresting I hope he gets back to you |
| 23:22.04 | jack87 | I wonder if he would be intrested in making presets by collecting info from users |
| 23:22.15 | jack87 | Customizable presets :) |
| 23:23.21 | jack87 | Driving/Work/Class/Low signal/Airplane/Meeting |
| 23:24.43 | SineOt | Mode Switcher is already incredibly customizable |
| 23:25.38 | SineOt | I've got a class mode that turns on five minutes before classes start, and off 5 minutes before they end that silences everything, puts email notification on mute, and vibration for sms/calls, opens the calendar and a task app :p |
| 23:25.59 | jack87 | SineOt: I know.. but it is only customizable. I am talking about coming stock with presets. |
| 23:26.19 | SineOt | Driving mode turns on when it's connected to a car charger and there's a headphone jack plugged in, sets the media volume and opens 1-touch dial and Slacker~ |
| 23:26.41 | jack87 | so like collecting some preset configs from users who have already made some custom settings like some common ones.. |
| 23:27.11 | SineOt | ah |
| 23:27.18 | jack87 | so for those who download mode switcher but dont want to create modes.. take advantage of some presets.. and simply customize them for their own needs |
| 23:27.20 | SineOt | yeah, I think that was planned with the google docs export |
| 23:27.30 | SineOt | but google docs didn't share quite like it was expected to |
| 23:28.02 | jack87 | anyway... I am going to hunt down some food. Have a good one. |
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