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| 01:43.26 | ryan[WIN] | hay |
| 01:43.36 | ryan[WIN] | can i get suggestions from yall |
| 01:43.42 | ryan[WIN] | on a control scheme |
| 01:44.03 | SineOt | sure |
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| 02:00.28 | ryan[WIN] | SineOt, http://www.diod.es/ryanwin/shippre.zip |
| 02:00.43 | ryan[WIN] | run on palm pre |
| 02:01.21 | SineOt | I have a Pixi, will it run? :p |
| 02:01.56 | ryan[WIN] | nay |
| 02:02.10 | ryan[WIN] | P is CTRL |
| 02:02.20 | ryan[WIN] | t and v go left/right and f and h go up/down |
| 02:03.31 | SineOt | ah, no idea how to run it then :x |
| 02:03.36 | ryan[WIN] | :\ |
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| 03:21.56 | Zen00 | So, just saw the tweet, what's up with this registry? |
| 03:27.57 | SineOt | oh cool |
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| 03:28.59 | SineOt | TUV is basically the german FCC, they have to have any wireless devices registered through them... It seems that unlike the FCC, Palm either registered first with TUV, or TUV posted the info early while the FCC is still sitting on it (which they do from time to time with big releases like the iPhone) |
| 03:33.20 | Zen00 | I wonder, what would make this release such a big deal to have the FCC sit on it. |
| 03:36.56 | rwhitby | companies regularly request confidentiality from the FCC until release date |
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| 03:37.19 | Zen00 | Yeah, I figured they could do that, but wouldn't they have done the same with the Germans? |
| 03:37.44 | Zen00 | Didn't take long to hit the main page. |
| 03:38.31 | Zen00 | I wonder if HP/Palm will be angry about this leak, if it was intentional, or what. |
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| 03:42.12 | scoutcamper | go TUV! |
| 03:45.05 | SineOt | engadget and the like troll the FCC database and post the interesting bits every friday, so asking for confidentiality until release keeps the FCC from outing your device before it's due |
| 03:45.14 | SineOt | and it might just be something to do with TUV's policies |
| 03:45.27 | SineOt | because looking at it, all it really says is that devices with those model numbers got tested |
| 03:45.36 | SineOt | but not things like what spectrums they got tested on, etc |
| 03:45.42 | Zen00 | Not a thing about the. |
| 03:45.44 | Zen00 | them. |
| 03:46.03 | Zen00 | I really hope that it's not a 4G device, I don't want to have to pay for the added data service. :P |
| 03:46.11 | Zen00 | 3G works more than fine for my needs. |
| 03:48.09 | Zen00 | rwhitby: Your new link is not working. :( |
| 03:48.23 | SineOt | eh, part of me hopes it's a 4G device... if only because my area is getting 4G roll out right now and it's really, really fast lol |
| 03:48.45 | SineOt | I tried out an Evo 4G and was getting ~7000kbps down :C |
| 03:48.53 | SineOt | our home dsl is like ~3000kpbs :C |
| 03:49.10 | Zen00 | Yeah, I have 4G here too, bt really, it's not worth it to me as I don't use a phone as a primary source of connectivity. |
| 03:49.34 | Zen00 | I like my desktop thank you very much, built it myself, OC it, water cool it, all that good stuff. |
| 03:50.06 | Zen00 | WHY IS TWITTER REDIRECTING ME TO A BLOGGER PAGE AGAIN!!!!! |
| 03:50.57 | Zen00 | This has happened twice in the past month, just for several hours Twitter redirects to a random blogger page of some asian girl. |
| 03:51.10 | Zen00 | Or another website, don't remember what. |
| 03:51.15 | Zen00 | It's real annoying. |
| 03:52.03 | cryptk|wirc | sounds like a virus or spyware... |
| 03:52.15 | Zen00 | Nah. |
| 03:52.24 | Zen00 | I think it has something to do with tabs in Firefox. |
| 03:52.32 | Zen00 | As it fixes itself when I close FF. |
| 03:52.46 | Zen00 | And I've tested my computer three ways from Sunday for a virus. |
| 03:54.42 | Zen00 | Anyways, I'll go to bed, and see what's turned up in the morning. |
| 04:00.19 | dtzWill | anyone around that wouldn't mind testing some kinetic scrolling code i wrote for supernes? :) |
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| 04:00.23 | dtzWill | (i can link ipk) |
| 04:01.07 | cryptk|wirc | dtzWill: send it |
| 04:02.59 | SineOt | yeah, I like my desktop too, but... my desktop doesn't fit in my pocket and come with me to class :p |
| 04:03.30 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: you want preware package id or app cat or do you care? |
| 04:03.39 | SineOt | have you ever tried a port to the Pixi, dtzWill? |
| 04:03.51 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: and do you have some roms? if not for testing purposes you can just create a bunnch of empty '.smc' files lol |
| 04:04.00 | dtzWill | SineOt: yes, but it got stopped due to a complete inability to test properly. |
| 04:04.08 | cryptk|wirc | I have app cat installed already, but doesn't matter |
| 04:04.18 | SineOt | if you want to give it a shot, I'll do my best to help test~ |
| 04:04.46 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: kk i'll send preware one, so later if it hits the app cat the one with your saves will always be the one with the clean version, etc :) |
| 04:05.58 | dtzWill | SineOt: i appreciate it, but the issues are generally of the "it won't run at all b/c it's doing something slightly wrong" variety |
| 04:06.06 | dtzWill | SineOt: are you familiar with gdb, etc? |
| 04:06.29 | SineOt | familiar in that I've heard of it, but that's about where my experience with it ends |
| 04:06.58 | dtzWill | okay. well i'm swamped with updates to supernes and vba if i have time, but next time pixi hits the top of my todo list i'll poke you :) |
| 04:07.12 | dtzWill | in other words if you sign off IRC i'll blame the lack of a pixi port on YOU |
| 04:07.15 | dtzWill | ;) |
| 04:07.21 | halfhalo | hahaha |
| 04:08.19 | SineOt | no pressure there, lol |
| 04:08.40 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc, anyone else that has a second: http://wdtz.org/files/org.webosinternals.supernes.preware_1.0.2_all.ipk |
| 04:09.03 | dtzWill | big changes are new skin (lol), the kinetic scrolling, remembering where you are in the rom selector for when you return, aaandd |
| 04:09.43 | dtzWill | better handling of huge rom collections, making the rom selector faster but won't crash if you have a ridiculous amount of roms :) |
| 04:09.55 | dtzWill | well, okay it still might if you have like MAX_INT or something, but you know much LESS likely :) |
| 04:10.11 | dtzWill | oh and it'll TRY to create the 'snes/roms' directory for people if it /can/. hopefully that helps some |
| 04:10.19 | dtzWill | aka usability updates really :) |
| 04:11.44 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: let me know what you think. i can change things like how quickly it slows down, etc, etc but big question is a "is this an improvement?" |
| 04:11.55 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: or does it feel weird and stupid and should go back to how it was :) |
| 04:13.18 | cryptk|wirc | one change I would make is that instead of using the speed that they were scrolling at as the start speed, reduce it by about 25% |
| 04:13.33 | cryptk|wirc | so as soon as they lift a finger the list slows a little |
| 04:13.42 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 04:13.49 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: interesting. i thought it would feel unnatural if taht happened as opposed to extending the 'you're throwing the list' thing. |
| 04:13.52 | dtzWill | but..i'll give that a shot, ty :). |
| 04:14.03 | cryptk|wirc | it is commonly done in kinetic lists and helps it to be more controllable |
| 04:14.04 | dtzWill | has lots of ideas but is no expert at all. |
| 04:14.16 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: yeah i believe you and it does seem a tad out of control O:) |
| 04:14.31 | cryptk|wirc | but the fact that it ticks instead of scrools makes it feel a little clunky IMHO |
| 04:14.55 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: okay. i was hoping to avoid the scrolling since it actually would require rewriting a decent portion of that code :) |
| 04:15.06 | cryptk|wirc | yeah |
| 04:15.16 | cryptk|wirc | but yes, it is an improovement |
| 04:15.39 | cryptk|wirc | and the initial speed drop may not be needed,may just be weird because of the ticking |
| 04:15.53 | cryptk|wirc | wait |
| 04:15.58 | cryptk|wirc | I found the problem |
| 04:16.15 | cryptk|wirc | the list scrools almost twice as fast as I drag my thumb |
| 04:16.23 | dtzWill | haha x.x. |
| 04:16.43 | cryptk|wirc | maybe even 3 times as fast |
| 04:17.04 | cryptk|wirc | that makes it hard to predict how far you are going to flick the list |
| 04:17.27 | cryptk|wirc | don't do the initial speed drop, but do make it a 1:1 scroll |
| 04:17.40 | cryptk|wirc | then send me a new build and I will let ya know |
| 04:17.58 | chrisA | evening |
| 04:18.12 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: tyvm for the feedback. |
| 04:18.17 | cryptk|wirc | with about 30 entried in the list scrolling halfway puts me from one end to the other |
| 04:18.27 | cryptk|wirc | chrisA: evening |
| 04:20.43 | halfhalo | this channel be jumping |
| 04:21.54 | halfhalo | goes back to making a feed plugin for irc |
| 04:24.22 | cryptk|wirc | dtzWill: you haven't made my requested changes yet? geeze... slowpoke... |
| 04:24.37 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: lol i definitely did but i don't like it good enough yet :). |
| 04:24.44 | cryptk|wirc | ahh |
| 04:25.01 | cryptk|wirc | just make it 1:1 scroll and it should be good |
| 04:25.28 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: i think there's more to it, i'm using a mouse motion event to calculate the initial 'velocity' and i think that's not the best way. |
| 04:25.31 | dtzWill | it just feels... wrong :/ |
| 04:25.34 | cryptk|wirc | it is just too touchy at 3:1 or whatever it is |
| 04:25.49 | chrisA | The internals twitter is pretty chatty now |
| 04:26.11 | halfhalo | yup |
| 04:27.16 | cryptk|wirc | yep, someone found something, lol |
| 04:29.30 | SineOt | hm, new touchstone too? maybe my dream will come true and it'll have wireless USB too :'3 |
| 04:30.13 | cryptk|wirc | I am thinking more along the lines of a different angle on the top so a tablet can go on it |
| 04:31.02 | cryptk|wirc | because a computer doesn't put out enough power to run the touchstone |
| 04:31.17 | chrisA | No matter how you look at it, a standard touchstone at any angle would be awkward for a tablet |
| 04:31.26 | SineOt | you know, that makes me curious |
| 04:31.31 | cryptk|wirc | so you would be wirelessly USB'ing to the power company |
| 04:32.06 | cryptk|wirc | chrisA: not if it had some kind of support built on it, or placed on it, for a tablet |
| 04:32.20 | cryptk|wirc | and that support piece could come with the tablet |
| 04:32.38 | chrisA | So your proposed solution is a widget to clamp on to it |
| 04:32.48 | chrisA | For a power supply that already likely doesn't supply enough power |
| 04:32.58 | chrisA | I suggest reevaluation :) |
| 04:33.04 | cryptk|wirc | or a tablet stand that it would fit inside of |
| 04:33.20 | cryptk|wirc | higher power spec for the new touchstone |
| 04:33.31 | cryptk|wirc | to support the tablet |
| 04:33.37 | cryptk|wirc | all conjecture here |
| 04:33.47 | SineOt | does anyone know what the amp draw is on the Touchstone? I'd assume it's 1A |
| 04:33.53 | cryptk|wirc | and I am sure chrisA is laughing his ass off at how wrong I am |
| 04:34.07 | cryptk|wirc | I thinl aroung 1A yes |
| 04:34.10 | chrisA | touchstone charges around 650-700 mA SineOt |
| 04:34.18 | cryptk|wirc | s/thinl/think/ |
| 04:34.26 | cryptk|wirc | there is your answer |
| 04:34.31 | chrisA | You're throttled by the battery (I believe the formula is something like .6 * capacity? I forget) |
| 04:34.51 | chrisA | granted a tablet would have a much larger battery capacity |
| 04:35.34 | cryptk|wirc | or perhaps the new touchstone has some basic comms in it |
| 04:35.51 | SineOt | well, it's more that I'm pretty sure that the iPad requires ~1100mA (that'd be 1.1A, right?) to charge over USB |
| 04:36.01 | cryptk|wirc | so the device wouldn't just know it is on A touchstone... but it would know which touchstone it was on |
| 04:36.06 | SineOt | which is something that any Mac made in the last like... 4 years can handle over USB |
| 04:36.16 | SineOt | and some PCs |
| 04:36.25 | halfhalo | my work mbp can't handle ipad charging |
| 04:36.43 | halfhalo | 2007 model iirc |
| 04:36.49 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: give that a shot? (updated, same link) |
| 04:36.51 | chrisA | I'd have to check the spec again, but I recall usb 2.0 only guarantees 500 mA |
| 04:37.00 | chrisA | Some will do higher yes, but it's not safe to rely on it |
| 04:37.10 | cryptk|wirc | indeed, ipad does violate the charging spec |
| 04:37.13 | SineOt | seems the earliest it came on was 2007 |
| 04:37.20 | cryptk|wirc | that is why tons of ipad users are pissed |
| 04:37.34 | rwhitby | chrisA: gotta love public cert dbs ;) |
| 04:37.38 | cryptk|wirc | their computers won't charge it |
| 04:38.01 | chrisA | rwhitby: I prefer to learn of them via prototypes and schematics :) |
| 04:38.07 | chrisA | Though I guess I get no more of those |
| 04:38.35 | cryptk|wirc | chrisA: why wouldn't you? you stop working for HP/palm? |
| 04:38.43 | chrisA | mmhmm |
| 04:38.50 | chrisA | Wednesday |
| 04:39.10 | cryptk|wirc | ahh, didn't know that, hope you enjoy your new job (whatever it may be) |
| 04:39.34 | chrisA | I'm sad to see HP branding is taking over |
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| 04:40.04 | cryptk|wirc | dtzWill: better... |
| 04:40.16 | cryptk|wirc | but it still doesn't seem to be 1:1 |
| 04:40.36 | cryptk|wirc | but how far off it is seems to vary bu how fast I am dragging |
| 04:40.44 | cryptk|wirc | actually I kinda like it |
| 04:41.16 | cryptk|wirc | drag real slow and it scrolls slower than the drag, drag real fast and it scrolls faster than the drag |
| 04:41.19 | SineOt | hm, looking at it: USB 3.0 has moved spec to allow at least to 900ma for charging, but that USB 2.0 spec is recommended to cap at 1500ma with the minimum being 500ma? I think |
| 04:41.38 | chrisA | 1500? That's more than wall chargers even draw |
| 04:42.05 | cryptk|wirc | yeah, highest wall charger I have seen is like 1.2A |
| 04:42.21 | SineOt | apparently the USB spec says that dedicated wall chargers are allowed to go to 1.8A |
| 04:43.42 | cryptk|wirc | 1.8A? wow... |
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| 04:44.29 | cryptk|wirc | wtf are they gonna charge? a car battery? |
| 04:44.37 | halfhalo | hmmm...... |
| 04:44.45 | SineOt | yeah, from the USB Forum's guidelines on Battery Charging: "The standard-A connectors defined in the USB 2.0 specification are rated for 1500 mA." |
| 04:44.52 | halfhalo | Idea.... |
| 04:45.30 | cryptk|wirc | ?? |
| 04:45.34 | SineOt | and if you're doing USB 2 high speed data transfer, you're downrated to 900mA |
| 04:45.57 | cryptk|wirc | SineOt: to prevent interfearance |
| 04:46.15 | SineOt | so given this document is almost 2 years old, I think it's been USB spec, it's just that since the minimum you're required to meet the spec is 500ma, a lot of companies just play things cheap and go for the 500ma and -only- 500ma route |
| 04:46.16 | SineOt | yes |
| 04:46.23 | chrisA | I would rather work with SPI, I2C, or any number of other things than USB |
| 04:46.29 | SineOt | but if there's no data, 1500mA |
| 04:46.49 | SineOt | so a USB powered Touchstone would be doable |
| 04:47.32 | SineOt | trying it on my Mini that has the 1150mA ports, it cycles on and off as a charger (probably because it's no requesting to be bumped to ~1150mA or whatever since there's no chip in it, since it doesn't get reported as a USB device) |
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| 04:47.52 | karathos | hi |
| 04:48.10 | bpadalino | usb is pretty damned complicated when it comes down to it .. :( |
| 04:48.17 | SineOt | yes it is |
| 04:48.18 | cryptk|wirc | SineOt: the 1500 probably only applies to USB A |
| 04:48.27 | cryptk|wirc | what about the smaller connectors |
| 04:48.28 | chronomex | USB is a lot like IBM's old networking protocol SNA actually ... |
| 04:48.38 | cryptk|wirc | karathos: hi |
| 04:48.40 | bpadalino | is it ? |
| 04:48.46 | karathos | how can I make my stock pre plus use less battery when it's in my pocket not in use |
| 04:48.55 | bpadalino | power it down |
| 04:49.03 | SineOt | cryptk|wirc: if you're attaching it to a touchstone, I don't see why they couldn't just use USB A though |
| 04:49.10 | chrisA | karathos: set email to sync less, turn off messenging when not in use |
| 04:49.32 | cryptk|wirc | karathos: third party kernel, screenstate governor downclocking the phone while screen is off |
| 04:49.59 | cryptk|wirc | SineOt: because then it would be a separate cable than the one normally used on the phone |
| 04:50.00 | karathos | I did the email and sync already thanks though |
| 04:50.16 | karathos | I just recently got the govnah |
| 04:50.25 | cryptk|wirc | which would make the device seem more complicated |
| 04:50.35 | cryptk|wirc | karathos: what kernel are you using? |
| 04:50.58 | karathos | and was messing with that for a minute but there's some technical stuff in there I just don't know |
| 04:51.11 | karathos | using the stock kernel |
| 04:51.29 | karathos | I was thinking about that uberkernel or whatever |
| 04:51.39 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: it will continue to scroll using the delta between the last two mouse events as its metric. |
| 04:51.57 | dtzWill | cryptk|wirc: i think it should somehow consider time or...something better. |
| 04:52.08 | dtzWill | also feel like i'm reinventing the (scroll)wheel |
| 04:52.11 | dtzWill | lol @ my own joke |
| 04:52.17 | cryptk|wirc | karathos: with stock kernel govnah won't do much for you |
| 04:52.35 | cryptk|wirc | SineOt: the 1500ma only applies to wall chargers |
| 04:52.58 | karathos | so I have to get the uber. And that will let me throttle it down when I'm not using it? |
| 04:52.58 | cryptk|wirc | on a system devices are limited to 5 unit loads in high-power mode |
| 04:53.06 | cryptk|wirc | karathos: yes |
| 04:53.27 | cryptk|wirc | one unit load in USB 2.0 is 100ma |
| 04:53.51 | cryptk|wirc | so max 500ma per port in USB 2.0 on a computer |
| 04:53.52 | karathos | I know I'm not gonna fry it by throttling it. But is there any other mishaps that this could cause? |
| 04:54.18 | cryptk|wirc | if you have a 'weak phone' then it could hang |
| 04:54.24 | cryptk|wirc | and refuse to boot |
| 04:54.35 | cryptk|wirc | which would then require a doctor |
| 04:54.57 | karathos | pre plus isn't weak right? |
| 04:54.59 | cryptk|wirc | and no way to tell before hand if your phone is 'weak' or not |
| 04:55.07 | cryptk|wirc | it would be |
| 04:55.15 | cryptk|wirc | it isn't specific to not plus |
| 04:55.22 | cryptk|wirc | any phone can be weak |
| 04:55.27 | karathos | I don't understand |
| 04:55.47 | cryptk|wirc | weak as in it can't handle very low or very high speeds |
| 04:56.08 | cryptk|wirc | has nothing to do with plus model or not plus model |
| 04:56.28 | cryptk|wirc | has to do with the processor (which all pre's have the same one) |
| 04:56.42 | karathos | I thought pre plus had a diff processor than pre |
| 04:56.47 | halfhalo | nope |
| 04:56.50 | karathos | oh okay |
| 04:57.29 | karathos | so then I could risk breaking my phone if I throttle it? |
| 04:58.04 | halfhalo | not really, but you do void the warrenty |
| 04:58.45 | karathos | stock) |
| 04:58.50 | cryptk|wirc | and aftermarket kernel voids warranty |
| 04:58.55 | halfhalo | I don't think there have been any reports of phones being bricked by throttling them |
| 04:59.04 | cryptk|wirc | not bricked no |
| 04:59.08 | halfhalo | (or from non crazy overclocking either) |
| 04:59.11 | cryptk|wirc | a doctor can fix it |
| 04:59.13 | karathos | so it's more risky than leaving it at the stock? |
| 04:59.17 | cryptk|wirc | yes |
| 04:59.44 | cryptk|wirc | kernel changes involve risk and a little reading should be done first |
| 04:59.50 | halfhalo | in the same way that a bmw is more risky than a mercedes |
| 05:00.34 | cryptk|wirc | karathos: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:UberKernel |
| 05:00.42 | cryptk|wirc | read all of that first |
| 05:00.48 | cryptk|wirc | it will explain alot |
| 05:01.06 | cryptk|wirc | and read the warning twice |
| 05:01.52 | halfhalo | doesn't have to worry since he is waaaaaaay past the voiding warranty part of the program |
| 05:03.20 | karathos | how long is the warranty? |
| 05:03.27 | halfhalo | a year |
| 05:03.37 | karathos | ooh tasty |
| 05:04.44 | karathos | Iill deal with this crap battery life then. Maybe after a few months or so I'll check back and see how this is going |
| 05:05.07 | karathos | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.56 | halfhalo | Nope |
| 05:06.11 | karathos | awesome. Thanks yall |
| 05:06.20 | karathos | see ya in a few months! |
| 05:06.24 | karathos | gl hf |
| 05:09.03 | SineOt | oh, that reminds me |
| 05:09.12 | SineOt | even if USB A is the only one specced to 1.5A |
| 05:09.26 | SineOt | the MicroUSB from the wall charger for the current touchstone still does at least 1A |
| 05:11.46 | cryptk|wirc | yep |
| 05:12.06 | halfhalo | god, I totally forgot how I was parsing the ipkg feeds before.... |
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| 05:12.38 | cryptk|wirc | the thing is, to get over 5 unit loads is to short the data pins |
| 05:13.05 | SineOt | can't you sync -and- charge an iPad at the same time? |
| 05:13.14 | cryptk|wirc | well, the only way to get it out of a PC |
| 05:13.25 | cryptk|wirc | I don't think it does |
| 05:13.57 | SineOt | like I said, I think what it is is just that the USB spec only says that you have to do 5 unit loads for a total of 500ma, anything more is extra, so they don't |
| 05:14.02 | cryptk|wirc | on a battery specced computer I think the ipad will charge only while not transmitting data |
| 05:14.23 | cryptk|wirc | correction, per USB spec it cannot charge and send data |
| 05:14.24 | SineOt | because reading the USB thing on battery charging, they've got instructions on how your device can operate all the way up to 1800mA |
| 05:14.45 | cryptk|wirc | unless it can charge off of 500ma |
| 05:15.14 | cryptk|wirc | which is the mose power a spec compliant system can send while sending/recieving data |
| 05:15.28 | SineOt | can it? there's mention of if you're using USB Highspeed you're limited to 900mA to prevent interference with the data portion, and if you're using Full Speed or Low Speed you're allowed a lot higher mA |
| 05:15.45 | cryptk|wirc | SineOt: yes, but to get that kind of power you have to either use a wall charger OR short the data pins |
| 05:16.26 | SineOt | I'm really wishing I had an iPad with me :p |
| 05:16.44 | cryptk|wirc | without shorting D+ and D- a device will only get 500ma from a compliand USB controller |
| 05:16.54 | cryptk|wirc | you don't need one, read the spec |
| 05:16.59 | halfhalo | woah there nelly... thats alot of undefined... |
| 05:17.06 | cryptk|wirc | the ipad violates the spec |
| 05:18.24 | SineOt | I am reading the spec? |
| 05:18.30 | SineOt | "Battery Charging Specification, Revision 1.1" |
| 05:18.44 | SineOt | "Portable Device Current from Charging Downstream Port at High-speed" would be a standard USB port, wouldn't it? |
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| 05:19.38 | cryptk|wirc | yes |
| 05:20.09 | jack87 | cryptk|wirc: where does all this awesome knowledge come from? |
| 05:20.10 | SineOt | they list it as being a max 900mA |
| 05:20.21 | SineOt | if you operate at low speed or full speed, 1500mA |
| 05:20.26 | SineOt | with no data, 1800mA |
| 05:20.31 | cryptk|wirc | is that the 2.0 or 3.0 spec |
| 05:20.40 | SineOt | 2.0 spec |
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| 05:20.46 | cryptk|wirc | 3.0 allows 6 units at 150ma per unit |
| 05:20.48 | SineOt | this is from April 2009 |
| 05:22.27 | SineOt | looking at it, I think what it is is that the minimum you can have while being considered in spec is 6 units at 150mA a unit |
| 05:23.30 | SineOt | http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/batt_charging_1_1.zip this is the document I'm finding this in, if you're curious |
| 05:23.51 | cryptk|wirc | SineOt: 5 and 6 unit loads are the maximums |
| 05:24.02 | cryptk|wirc | but that is for data spec |
| 05:24.24 | cryptk|wirc | thing is, battery charging spec is kinda new and as such not all mobo's support it |
| 05:24.53 | cryptk|wirc | which is why you will not see a PC USB touchstone |
| 05:25.04 | cryptk|wirc | or it is at least less likely |
| 05:25.49 | halfhalo | has sucess! |
| 05:26.10 | SineOt | man this gets confusing |
| 05:26.15 | SineOt | "Thus, a Portable Device is able to communicate with a Charging Downstream Port at low-speed or full-speed when drawing a current of IDEV_CDP_LFS max." |
| 05:26.24 | SineOt | IDEV_CDP_LFS max is 1500mA |
| 05:28.00 | SineOt | if you assume a similar life time to the current touchstone, which is probably going to be 2 years old when the new one releases, I'd say it'd be worth betting that most mobos would be able to supply 1A over USB by that point :p |
| 05:29.07 | cryptk|wirc | they could just make the stone support it... and if your computer doesn't then 'sorry' |
| 05:29.17 | cryptk|wirc | 'use the wall plug' |
| 05:29.24 | SineOt | yeah, exactly |
| 05:29.38 | SineOt | similar to what Apple has done with the iPad |
| 05:29.43 | cryptk|wirc | not palms fault you have old hardware, lol |
| 05:29.48 | SineOt | "won't charge on USB? good thing we gave you a wall plug" |
| 05:33.45 | SineOt | if a touchstone can do charging and USB through induction via some magic, then by golly they'd have a (near) perfect device |
| 05:34.07 | cryptk|wirc | SineOt: bluetooth receiver in the touchstone |
| 05:34.19 | cryptk|wirc | problem solved |
| 05:34.54 | cryptk|wirc | err radio, not receiver |
| 05:35.00 | SineOt | that'd be cool |
| 05:35.10 | SineOt | it'd be dumb if it was anything other than Bluetooth 3 though |
| 05:35.39 | SineOt | 2.1mbps versus 24mbps versus 480mbps |
| 05:36.04 | cryptk|wirc | yeah |
| 05:37.11 | SineOt | oh wow that's kind of dumb, way to go Bluetooth SIG: "It supports theoretical data transfer speeds of up to 24 Mbit/s, though not over the Bluetooth link itself. Instead, the Bluetooth link is used for negotiation and establishment, and the high data rate traffic is carried over a colocated 802.11 link" |
| 05:37.36 | SineOt | so they just coopt wifi for the higher speeds on BT3, and still only get 24mbit out of it? |
| 05:38.26 | SineOt | engadget has new WebOS 2.0 screen shots. You can set the alarms to have an ascending volume :'3 |
| 05:38.27 | halfhalo | oh, oh, oh! Just froze textmate! |
| 05:38.59 | cryptk|wirc | BT3 has dual radios yes, it is like cell phones and 4G data |
| 05:39.07 | halfhalo | accidentally tried to open the packages.db file... which, as you guess, is full of packages |
| 05:39.16 | cryptk|wirc | they use wimax for the high speed basically |
| 05:39.25 | cryptk|wirc | halfhalo: lol |
| 05:39.58 | halfhalo | hmmm... its only 1.1MB..... |
| 05:40.22 | cryptk|wirc | probably can't display the binary data and it got hung |
| 05:40.23 | SineOt | yeah, it's just kind of sad that they're still only getting a theoretical max of 24mbit out of it |
| 05:40.34 | SineOt | is what I meant |
| 05:40.57 | cryptk|wirc | I know bandwidth is somewhat determined by frequencies used |
| 05:41.28 | cryptk|wirc | ask ka6sox-work he may know more info about radio frequencies/bandwidth... he is a radio tower guy |
| 05:41.31 | halfhalo | thinks this is a sign to give up for the night.... |
| 05:41.39 | SineOt | given it's probably operating in the same 2.4 and 5ghz ranges as 11g and 11n, though... |
| 05:41.56 | cryptk|wirc | not sure, never looked into it |
| 05:42.33 | SineOt | current bluetooth 1/2+EDR operates in the 2.4ghz range |
| 05:42.50 | SineOt | since 3 has backwards compat with 1/2 I'd assume it's the same |
| 05:44.45 | cryptk|wirc | yeah |
| 05:47.56 | cryptk|wirc | sleep time |
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| 06:34.35 | D0li0 | so... in 1.4.5 does every app run in a jail or just some apps? |
| 06:36.24 | rwhitby | all PDK apps. Pure mojo apps don't have any other binaries, so there is no need. |
| 06:38.09 | D0li0 | humm.. so got x working again. but then angrybirds didn't. can't we just exclude x from jails or something? |
| 06:39.08 | D0li0 | is wIRC a PDK? I think it may have also had trouble with jails disabled. |
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| 06:46.36 | rwhitby | Remove /etc/nojail to turn jails back on again. It's an all-or-nothing setting. |
| 06:47.00 | dtzWill | curious though that /any/ app would *fail* with jails disabled? |
| 06:47.10 | dtzWill | i mean unintentionally anyway |
| 06:47.19 | D0li0 | auhh. alrigt. I'll just setup an alias to turn it on and off I guess. thanks again... |
| 06:48.04 | cryptk|wirc | that is odd that an app would fail with jails off... |
| 06:48.46 | D0li0 | I may have been out of memory or something. are you saying that angrybirds should still run with jail disabled? |
| 06:50.21 | rwhitby | I would expect it to. |
| 06:52.41 | cryptk|wirc | ok, gonna try and sleep again... night all |
| 06:53.04 | D0li0 | let me test. btw does jail/unjail happen on the fly or require rebooting? |
| 06:56.27 | D0li0 | it appears that jail/unjail is instant. with jail off angrybirds launches it's card and then quits, no splash screen. |
| 06:56.46 | D0li0 | is wirc a jailed app? |
| 06:58.12 | D0li0 | is there an irc /help like command? |
| 07:05.07 | oil | wirc is jailed |
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| 07:07.36 | oil | it doesn't have a /help command, lol |
| 07:07.39 | oil | maybe it should |
| 07:09.09 | D0li0 | I'm just unfamilure with irc. lookin for valid command list... |
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| 07:16.39 | oil | D0li0: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:WIRC gas a list of commands |
| 07:16.58 | oil | that wirc supports |
| 07:17.12 | D0li0 | ty |
| 07:20.17 | oil | and there is some aliases in the preferences |
| 07:33.38 | D0li0 | oh hay.. anyone know how to run a fsck on a Pre? safely that is... |
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| 14:35.25 | swisstomcat | afternoon |
| 14:36.32 | miniminimike | hello |
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| 14:39.25 | miniminimike | i need help |
| 14:40.06 | swisstomcat | with? |
| 14:40.53 | miniminimike | virtual keyboard |
| 14:41.43 | swisstomcat | go ahead |
| 14:42.07 | miniminimike | i have a azerty palm pre plus |
| 14:42.34 | swisstomcat | ok |
| 14:42.43 | miniminimike | i installed vk and vk themes but no error in installation |
| 14:42.55 | miniminimike | but it didnt work |
| 14:44.05 | swisstomcat | i've seen the same problem |
| 14:44.15 | swisstomcat | on a qwertz device |
| 14:46.02 | miniminimike | do you solve the problem? |
| 14:51.35 | swisstomcat | not yet |
| 14:51.46 | swisstomcat | see if you can talk to egaudet |
| 14:52.13 | miniminimike | how? |
| 14:52.48 | swisstomcat | he's on here sometimes |
| 14:52.54 | swisstomcat | but probably still asleep |
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| 16:07.37 | jettero | last tim I tried openvpn on my pre, I found that the most trivial incommings from the vpn would wake the device since it's a userspace app.. |
| 16:08.06 | jettero | I guess that's the end of my thought. |
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| 16:52.11 | Robi_ | jettero: can you have iptables block it while sleeping? |
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| 16:57.39 | idontwan2know | rwhitby: great job stirring up the hornet's nest! bet there are some HP marketing folks in crisis mode this morning! |
| 16:58.48 | mikewx | hrm, did i miss some news? |
| 17:00.18 | cryptk|work | rwhitby found some reports of new palm devices being submitted for some kind of standards testing |
| 17:00.24 | mikewx | ah sweet |
| 17:01.05 | mikewx | i could use a new pre |
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| 17:35.19 | Mercury | cryptk|work: Link? |
| 17:35.46 | cryptk|work | look at the recent tweets on the webos-internals twitter |
| 17:35.51 | cryptk|work | http://twitter.com/webosinternals |
| 17:35.59 | cryptk|work | the ones over the past 24 hours or so |
| 17:36.08 | cryptk|work | or the front page of precentral or webosroundup |
| 17:36.12 | cryptk|work | or engadget |
| 17:37.22 | Mercury | Very interesting. |
| 17:37.38 | Mercury | A car touchstone with a stronger magnet would be handy. |
| 17:38.25 | Mercury | And, well, I'll wait before jumping for joy on the new phone, but. |
| 17:44.15 | ryan[WIN] | hay |
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| 17:46.08 | mikewx | they might redesign the touchstones to be compatible with "the standard" now that there is one |
| 17:46.22 | mikewx | which of course means we all have to buy new ones |
| 17:47.08 | en0x | there is a standard for touchstone? |
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| 17:47.17 | mikewx | there's a standard for inductive charging |
| 17:47.43 | mikewx | called qi |
| 17:49.00 | mikewx | http://is.gd/fw2Ok |
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| 17:57.53 | Mercury | mikewx: Only for newer devices, I can't see a reason to replace the touchstone and back on my phone. |
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| 17:59.55 | ryan[WIN] | anyone here have a pre and want to help suggest some control scheme ideas for a game i ported over |
| 18:04.24 | Mercury | ryan[WIN]: Ask your questions, and people here will answer, or not. |
| 18:05.17 | ryan[WIN] | http://www.diod.es/ryanwin/shippre.zip - current BAD scheme is t/v are left/right and f/h are up/down and p is fire |
| 18:05.57 | ryan[WIN] | you need to have a terminal program to invoke it since it's not in an ipk yet |
| 18:08.44 | Mercury | Any reason not to use the accelerometar for that and tapping on the screen for fire? |
| 18:10.01 | ryan[WIN] | it treats it as a joystick in SDL right |
| 18:12.09 | Mercury | Not sure. |
| 18:12.13 | Mercury | Possibly. |
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| 18:43.36 | MetaView | acceloremeter is joystick, yes |
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| 18:45.29 | MetaView | ryan[WIN]: I think I know this game, someone parted it to PalmOs |
| 18:45.47 | ryan[WIN] | MetaView, yeah tapwave zodiac/palm os |
| 18:45.57 | MetaView | right, was it you? |
| 18:46.06 | ryan[WIN] | i didn't do the port, i made the original :> |
| 18:46.15 | MetaView | oh :) |
| 18:46.33 | ryan[WIN] | porting shippy1984 is like my hello world these days |
| 18:47.43 | ryan[WIN] | surprised to see the palm either supports or pretends to support 8bpp rendering |
| 18:51.30 | swisstomcat | oh, i remember the tapwave zodiac .. ahead of it's time |
| 18:52.03 | mikewx | have 2 on my desk |
| 18:52.50 | mikewx | prolly should find a large box for my palm graveyard |
| 18:55.44 | halfhalo | lol |
| 18:57.41 | en0x | anyone got pixi screen protectors? |
| 19:06.07 | MetaView | has only one Zod |
| 19:07.30 | en0x | i dont know which pixi screen protectors to get |
| 19:15.29 | idontwan2know | phantom skinz and skinomi usually get the best reviews |
| 19:25.06 | en0x | ok thanks |
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| 20:14.44 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: you see the supernes update in the cat? if/when you get a chance mind poking at it? |
| 20:15.04 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: people report the new rom selector is /crashy/ which is just terrible and unacceptable...but unfortunately I can' reproduce it. |
| 20:15.11 | dtzWill | (which is why it got pushed, heh :() |
| 20:15.19 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: also i'm curious if you think i finally got the kinetic stuff right :) |
| 20:16.30 | cryptk|work | ok |
| 20:21.11 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: tyvm. i realize.. you're at work :) |
| 20:23.40 | cryptk|work | dtzWill: it still isn't quite in sync with my finger |
| 20:24.20 | cryptk|work | but the scrollbar is nice |
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| 20:27.31 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: okay. well thanks for looking :). and didn't crash on you or anything? ): |
| 20:27.51 | cryptk|work | nope |
| 20:30.04 | dtzWill | cryptk|work: okay, thanks. :) |
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| 21:28.45 | SineOt | man, wonder what kind of battery life that Blackberry tablet is going to get |
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| 21:54.20 | macman_ | hi all .. question .. im in the market for a new phone .. im currently an android lover lol .. this palm has been catching my eye for a very long time .. im a huge texter .. im looking at reviews on this device and this keyboard is way to small .. anyone else have this problem .. or is there some kind of hack or whatever to put on a touch screen keyboard ? |
| 21:54.39 | macman_ | im an avid texter |
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| 21:57.17 | chrisA | The keyboard is very usable |
| 21:57.45 | macman_ | so currently im on android and its touch screen |
| 21:57.45 | chrisA | But it may not have a resilient enough '.' key for you |
| 21:57.48 | macman_ | so i can't fat finger |
| 21:58.14 | macman_ | but yea .. plam pre phones are atractive |
| 21:58.15 | macman_ | lol |
| 21:58.17 | macman_ | very |
| 21:59.56 | macman_ | is this the chan for rooting palm or no ? |
| 22:00.08 | summatusmentis | it doesn't need to be rooted |
| 22:00.15 | macman_ | hmm |
| 22:00.25 | macman_ | all phones get rooted lol 0_o what makes palm diff ? |
| 22:00.30 | SineOt | macman_: the Pre keyboard is okay, although I like the Pixi one better. Most people I've talked to like the Pixi one more |
| 22:00.36 | SineOt | you don't have to do anything special to root it |
| 22:00.42 | SineOt | just type in a string of letters and it's done |
| 22:00.42 | summatusmentis | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Accessing_Linux |
| 22:00.46 | summatusmentis | macman_: ^^^ |
| 22:00.55 | macman_ | ha |
| 22:00.57 | SineOt | no need for special roms or for someone to find an exploit |
| 22:00.57 | macman_ | its linux ? |
| 22:01.27 | summatusmentis | it's linux + a proprietary GUI |
| 22:01.30 | summatusmentis | essentially |
| 22:01.39 | macman_ | how good is the spell check |
| 22:02.00 | macman_ | and does it have a custom dictionary/ it learns from |
| 22:02.10 | summatusmentis | that I don't know |
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| 22:02.39 | halfhalo | you can replace the spellcheck dictionary with a bigger one easily |
| 22:02.49 | SineOt | spell check is okay, catches most common things out of the box |
| 22:03.00 | SineOt | no custom one that's easy to get to but that'll be coming in webOS 2.0 |
| 22:03.17 | macman_ | plam is java based like the samsing impression i had eh ? |
| 22:03.22 | halfhalo | nope |
| 22:03.24 | SineOt | no |
| 22:03.29 | macman_ | .jar ? |
| 22:03.31 | SineOt | at least not in any meaningful way |
| 22:03.40 | halfhalo | the .jar stuff is for desktop apps |
| 22:03.45 | macman_ | oh |
| 22:04.05 | SineOt | and I think the facebook background service is java or something isn't it? |
| 22:04.30 | macman_ | i saw a review that t-mobile had a hotspot and the att palm won't have it |
| 22:04.35 | macman_ | there a way to get it ? |
| 22:04.36 | halfhalo | no, its havascript |
| 22:04.45 | halfhalo | vzw has mobile hotspot |
| 22:05.18 | macman_ | i like my android but my brother in law is on sprint and i keep looking at his palm |
| 22:05.20 | macman_ | 0_o |
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| 22:05.33 | macman_ | i've been thru blackberry / iphone / currenly on android |
| 22:05.49 | summatusmentis | macman_: I'm getting ready to move to palm, I think |
| 22:05.54 | halfhalo | as for getting it onto another carrier, that violates some carrier agreement or another and hence, is not talked about here |
| 22:05.56 | summatusmentis | I've held out for a while because I've been on SERO |
| 22:06.02 | halfhalo | I do love my pre plus on sprint |
| 22:06.16 | macman_ | summatusmentis, your have a hero / android phone ? |
| 22:06.39 | summatusmentis | macman_: not officially, SERO doesn't allow android or webos phones (until october) |
| 22:06.39 | macman_ | Processor TI OMAP 3430 < -- what the heck ? |
| 22:06.47 | halfhalo | what about it |
| 22:06.54 | macman_ | is that 1ghz 528mhz |
| 22:07.01 | summatusmentis | macman_: I've got an HTC Touch, which is fully supported by open source android efforts |
| 22:07.26 | SineOt | it's 550mhz iirc |
| 22:07.29 | macman_ | oh |
| 22:07.32 | halfhalo | It runs at 600mhz at stock for games |
| 22:07.33 | SineOt | but can be overclocked to 1ghz or higher |
| 22:07.38 | halfhalo | yup |
| 22:07.38 | macman_ | ... |
| 22:07.41 | macman_ | oo i like that |
| 22:07.53 | ryan[WIN] | alright guys |
| 22:07.58 | ryan[WIN] | http://www.diod.es/ryanwin/shippre.zip |
| 22:08.16 | ryan[WIN] | j/m move left and right, n/k move up and down and you tap the screen to fire |
| 22:08.33 | ryan[WIN] | best part to tap on screen is where the extra shippies are |
| 22:08.53 | ryan[WIN] | must be run from the terminal since it's not in an ipk |
| 22:10.50 | macman_ | how is gps ? |
| 22:11.11 | SineOt | depends on the carrier, on Verizon it's kind of slow but otherwise it's awesome |
| 22:11.32 | SineOt | my Sprint Pixi picks up my location to about 50 feet within a few seconds |
| 22:13.19 | RagingMind | when my phone gets gps it's really nice, but a lot of the time it never locks on (I'm on verizon) |
| 22:14.22 | RagingMind | I've been looking into ways to "help" it, but right now my stopping point is I lack a 32 bit windows machine |
| 22:15.51 | macman_ | k thx |
| 22:15.59 | macman_ | i will have to do more research 0_o |
| 22:16.04 | macman_ | if i get it i will idel of course |
| 22:16.05 | macman_ | lol |
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| 22:16.09 | SineOt | oh |
| 22:16.18 | SineOt | was going to say wait a few months to see what pans out with the p102 :p |
| 22:20.56 | summatusmentis | SineOt: I was planning on getting a pre in october, but now I'm almost gonna wait |
| 22:21.17 | SineOt | I'd say wait at least like, a few months |
| 22:21.40 | SineOt | I mean there's so much coming out right now with webOS 2 and with stuff on like the P102 that it might be worth it |
| 22:21.48 | SineOt | even if you decide to just go with the Pre anyways |
| 22:22.24 | SineOt | if only Palm/HP emulated Apple in one way... That new iPhones pretty much come in June/July without fail lol |
| 22:23.21 | cryptk|work | from what I have read, they have a whole timeline planned for the next year, likely with multiple device launches |
| 22:23.46 | cryptk|work | My best guess is that they decided to re-invent the next new palm phone because of all of the delays |
| 22:23.54 | cryptk|work | delays caused by the purchase of palm etc |
| 22:24.04 | cryptk|work | it would have made that successor not be considered 'top of the line' |
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| 22:25.53 | summatusmentis | yeah, but it's just like... how long should I wait? a whole timeline planned for the next year might mean June |
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| 22:26.24 | SineOt | I'd say... January? |
| 22:26.32 | SineOt | By that point I'm sure that what's coming will be a lot more in focus |
| 22:27.33 | summatusmentis | hopefully |
| 22:27.46 | summatusmentis | I'd love to see something released in october, but I doubt that'll happen |
| 22:27.49 | SineOt | at least with regards to webOS 2.0 features |
| 22:28.12 | RagingMind | I'm so anxious for webos 2.0 |
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| 22:30.57 | idontwan2know | anybody else think RIM made a huge mistake by announcing the playbook 4-6 months before it actually hits the market? |
| 22:31.46 | RMind | wow that's a long while |
| 22:31.49 | idontwan2know | No way they can sustain the hype |
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| 22:33.20 | scoutcamper | wow I have never not seen rwhitby here |
| 22:34.02 | jack87 | scoutcamper: haha ya! either he is not here but still logged in... odd eh? |
| 22:34.30 | jack87 | ka6sox-work: ka6sox-away: are you around? |
| 22:34.52 | scoutcamper | jack yep, every |
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| 22:35.15 | scoutcamper | lol |
| 22:35.21 | scoutcamper | meant very |
| 22:35.42 | SineOt | idontwan2know, I don't know, it could go either way |
| 22:35.59 | SineOt | with it being a dual core Cortex A9, speed wise it should stay fresh for a long time |
| 22:36.12 | SineOt | and if it has support for BBM, then a ton of dumb 20 somethings are going to want one |
| 22:37.04 | idontwan2know | Yeah, but are they going to wait around/remember it when there's dozens of other releases and anouncements happening between now and the thing actually hitting shelves? |
| 22:37.47 | idontwan2know | those 20 somethings have a very short attention span |
| 22:37.47 | idontwan2know | trust me, I am one |
| 22:39.00 | summatusmentis | the installing openssh page reads like it expects that you've set up a user account |
| 22:39.20 | SineOt | those 20 somethings also probably aren't following the Blackberry Developer Days though lol |
| 22:39.21 | summatusmentis | but the page entitled "Set up users, Optware, and access" is labeled deprecated |
| 22:40.08 | jhowirc | install preware, install openssh via preware |
| 22:40.45 | summatusmentis | oh, and installing preware allows you to set up a user account |
| 22:41.00 | scoutcamper | goes to setup ash on his linux server |
| 22:41.10 | scoutcamper | ssh* |
| 22:45.48 | scoutcamper | does anyone know, can you host a webserver(apache or????) from a pre? |
| 22:46.14 | summatusmentis | someone was early on, I don't know how that still works |
| 22:46.28 | summatusmentis | if I understand correctly, all of optware is now in preware |
| 22:46.33 | summatusmentis | and I believe optware has a webserver |
| 22:46.45 | RagingMind | this is worrisome... not all of the photos that I've taken show up in the DCIM folder |
| 22:47.05 | basotl | optware has a webserver |
| 22:47.08 | RagingMind | they show up in the photo roll, but I can't find them on the drive when I plug in the phone |
| 22:47.55 | scoutcamper | k, thanks summatusmentis and basotl |
| 22:48.20 | scoutcamper | ragingmind pre, pre+ and what webos? |
| 22:48.48 | RagingMind | verizon prÄ+ with 1.4.5 |
| 22:48.50 | idontwan2know | SineOt: You will never have more press than when you announce a new product...giving the market 4-6 months to forget about it is not smart. Ask Palm. |
| 22:49.10 | SineOt | ask apple with the first iphone :p |
| 22:49.20 | SineOt | s'why I said that it could go both ways |
| 22:49.31 | idontwan2know | that was a case of entering a market with no strong competitors |
| 22:49.48 | idontwan2know | same thing if you're gonna be the first to market with a new console |
| 22:50.01 | SineOt | the only competitor right now is the iPad, and at least with the technical specs, this beats it |
| 22:50.10 | idontwan2know | doesn't matter |
| 22:50.24 | idontwan2know | there will be plenty of competitors |
| 22:50.54 | basotl | As an FYI Lighty is the webserver available. |
| 22:50.55 | idontwan2know | all announcing and releasing before customers have a chance to buy a playbook |
| 22:52.21 | idontwan2know | I could be wrong, but I think this is a major mistake. |
| 22:53.13 | idontwan2know | Waiting another couple months and anouncing it just before the holiday buying season kicks into gear would have been much smarter...the product would be fresh in people's minds and might convince them to hold off on a tablet purchase until they can get a playbook |
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| 22:57.14 | SineOt | I think the problem with the comparison to Palm and the Pre as to how the delay in release can hurt, it'd be worth keeping in mind that the Pre was the very first entry into a new device ecosystem with webOS |
| 22:57.30 | SineOt | while this is entering an already established one as another possible device with the Blackberry OS |
| 22:58.18 | RagingMind | anyone have an idea where my photos are? |
| 22:58.26 | idontwan2know | It doesn't use blackberry OS |
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| 23:00.18 | RagingMind | oh no... I found them |
| 23:00.53 | dtzWill | RagingMind: hooray :) |
| 23:00.59 | RagingMind | the pre uses the lowest possible number for new photos and doesn't just continue after the highest number found? |
| 23:01.03 | RagingMind | that's... wow |
| 23:01.21 | SineOt | from what I had read, you'll be able to run Blackberry apps on it, even though it's running the "Blackberry OS for Tablets" or whatever they call it |
| 23:01.32 | RagingMind | this is really really really awful for me. it destroys the entire way I manage digital cameras |
| 23:03.00 | rwhitby | morning |
| 23:03.11 | dtzWill | RagingMind: make a patch? :( |
| 23:03.12 | dtzWill | rwhitby: 'morning |
| 23:03.32 | SineOt | p sure that's what the "improved photo naming" patches are for |
| 23:03.40 | SineOt | gives them names based on the time and date they're taken |
| 23:03.57 | dtzWill | there you go :) |
| 23:03.58 | RagingMind | I'm actually quite pissed off by this... it's going to take me a while to pick apart this big f***ed up pool of pictures into something manageable |
| 23:04.25 | dtzWill | RagingMind: are the timestamps on the files accurate? maybe you could use those to do your renaming |
| 23:05.38 | RagingMind | dtzWill, yeah I can separate them out that way, but that doesn't solve my name collision problem |
| 23:05.51 | SineOt | ^ "Improved Photo Naming" patch |
| 23:06.07 | RagingMind | I have a very particular way that I manage my photos... I have a folder that is named for the device that took them |
| 23:06.40 | RagingMind | and I kinda use the numbers that are assigned when the photo is taken like a serial number |
| 23:07.21 | RagingMind | now I have to go though and figure out what all of the recent photos *should* have been numbered to make it fit |
| 23:07.48 | SineOt | well, you pretty much have one of two options: rage about it, or use the Improved Photo Naming patch and just deal with dates instead of arbitrary number schemes ;P |
| 23:08.11 | RagingMind | if I had one wish right now it'd be that the person that decided this would be the default behavior would get fired |
| 23:08.25 | jack87 | To class I go... goodbye peeps. Welcome back rwhitby. |
| 23:08.32 | RagingMind | I'll use the patch... but I needed to rant. |
| 23:08.57 | SineOt | Improved Photo Naming CIMG: "CIMG_YYYY-MM-DD-hhmmss.jpg" |
| 23:15.30 | idontwan2know | ugh...people complaining about webOS on printers don't get it |
| 23:16.00 | idontwan2know | People need printers. People already buy HP printers. They'll still buy HP printers with webOS, whether they "need" it or not. |
| 23:16.19 | halfhalo | yeah... but I want to play angry birds while printing! |
| 23:17.23 | idontwan2know | HP will sell 15 million webOS printers next year. That's 2-3 times the number of Palm phones they could hope to sell in their wildest dreams. |
| 23:17.48 | idontwan2know | And every one of them is a potential customer for app developers. |
| 23:20.03 | dtzWill | I mean whatever they're named now, if their timestamps encode the ordering you want, use that to create new names for all those photos |
| 23:27.27 | dtzWill | but anyway that might not work for a number of reasons, just making sure my suggestion was clear :) |
| 23:27.49 | basotl | I think the WebOS printers sound nice for networked use. |
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| 23:28.37 | idontwan2know | I agree...disconnecting the printer from the need for a PC is a great thing and webOS is just the thing to do it. |
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| 23:31.56 | RagingMind | i imagine they'll just use webos to replace whatever software they currently have in their printers with touch screens. I saw a few of them at office max. |
| 23:32.28 | ryan[WIN] | A LINUX PRINTER |
| 23:32.29 | ryan[WIN] | <333 |
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| 23:32.37 | dtzWill | that blackberry tablet looks pretty sweet. basically what i'd want from a webos tablet at first glance anyway. |
| 23:32.55 | dtzWill | although i am rather attached to webos, they sure did a fantastic job on that video from where i'm siting :) |
| 23:32.56 | ryan[WIN] | if i went back in time |
| 23:33.05 | ryan[WIN] | and told people that we'd be making homebrew apps for printers |
| 23:33.11 | ryan[WIN] | they'd say "ur crazy" |
| 23:33.57 | idontwan2know | dtzWill: I agree, it does look like a pretty nice piece of kit |
| 23:34.21 | dtzWill | ryan[WIN]: go back farther and explain what a printer is and you'd say you're crazy ;) |
| 23:34.45 | ryan[WIN] | you can always tell how old a programming language is by whether or not it includes a "print" statement |
| 23:34.55 | ryan[WIN] | because it used to mean actually printing :< |
| 23:34.57 | SineOt | go back far enough and show a lighter and they'll think you're crazy :p |
| 23:35.55 | RagingMind | they'd think you're a witch and try to burn you |
| 23:36.26 | dtzWill | RagingMind: luckily you gave them a lighter so starting the fire is a lot easier |
| 23:41.39 | Loudergood | woo time for a doctoring |
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