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| 01:36.53 | Loudergood | hmm...so a freshly doctored phone, put it in dev mode, and plug in the usb and it doesn't ask me what to do with it |
| 01:37.00 | Loudergood | it just goes straight to charging |
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| 01:44.15 | Zen00 | Who be this frigg that be asking for me CTCP VERSION? (I know he's a robot, but what is that?) |
| 01:44.37 | halfhalo | its freenode asking you irc client what version it is at |
| 01:45.11 | Zen00 | I'm just using the website. |
| 01:45.42 | SineOt | It probably asks everyone. |
| 01:46.20 | halfhalo | yup, it does |
| 01:53.23 | Zen00 | First time I've seen it. |
| 01:53.38 | Zen00 | So, who's ever done a standard addition? |
| 01:59.33 | RagingMind | Loudergood, (undoctored) my phone was doing that a couple days ago. I wound up having to reboot my computer |
| 02:01.48 | cryptk|wirc | Zen00: what do you mean a standard addition? |
| 02:02.04 | Zen00 | It's chemistry stuff. |
| 02:02.33 | SineOt | I may have, but good luck getting any useful info out of me |
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| 02:19.54 | Zen00 | Give us a big announcement! Something important! Make me excited to hang out here! |
| 02:20.27 | bpadalino | maybe something will happen tomorrow |
| 02:20.37 | bpadalino | just keep repeating that to yourself |
| 02:20.41 | bpadalino | one day you'll be right |
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| 02:21.36 | Zen00 | Maybe tomorrow, maybe tomorrow, maybe tomorrow... That has to be the sadest, most procrastinating mantra ever. |
| 02:21.52 | Zen00 | Well, if the news isn't coming to me, time for me to make the news... |
| 02:21.58 | bpadalino | make it |
| 02:22.31 | SineOt | I pondered it, maybe a fake leak or two here or there about the P102 having a landscape slider keyboard |
| 02:22.48 | SineOt | or maybe go whole hog, dual mode slider? landscape and portrait? |
| 02:22.54 | bpadalino | i heard it's a 7" phone with 2 slide out keyboards |
| 02:22.55 | Zen00 | I was just talking with a friend who knows this guy who works in a factory in China for $0.02 a day, and he says that his boss thinks there's the chance that a new Palm phone is in the works... |
| 02:22.58 | halfhalo | while(!palm_hardware_announcement){ think('maybe tomorrow...'); goToTomorrow(); } |
| 02:23.06 | SineOt | hell trimode :Q |
| 02:23.16 | SineOt | landscape/portrait qwerty and a standard phone pad |
| 02:23.23 | SineOt | UI adjusts on the fly based on which is open |
| 02:23.38 | SineOt | although that'd actually be kind of cool, hm |
| 02:23.44 | Zen00 | Oooo, must put on PreCentral home page... |
| 02:24.04 | chrisA | So I know this guy who knows this guy who went to china once and talked to this guy who knew someone in sunnyvale |
| 02:24.07 | SineOt | actually that'd be really cool. I'd love to see landscape webOS |
| 02:24.09 | Zen00 | We need Mythbusters to do an episode on this. |
| 02:24.10 | chrisA | and he totally thinks there is a new phone |
| 02:24.15 | chrisA | groans |
| 02:24.24 | SineOt | chrisA you're totally wrong, it's 3 new phones :Q |
| 02:24.38 | Zen00 | And a Touchstone that launches mini-rockets! |
| 02:24.39 | rwhitby | Zen00: announcements don't happen here. that's what twitter is for |
| 02:24.46 | halfhalo | well, we KNOW there are new phones.. we just don't know what they are! |
| 02:24.54 | halfhalo | thinks we need a twitter up in here |
| 02:24.58 | chrisA | I'm not wrong, I'm just not willing to confirm/deny any information |
| 02:25.02 | bpadalino | chrisA: oh yeah? does the new phone make calls ? |
| 02:25.10 | Zen00 | Why would a phone do that? |
| 02:25.13 | halfhalo | Thats more than the old one does! |
| 02:25.19 | bpadalino | zing! |
| 02:25.30 | halfhalo | highfive |
| 02:25.32 | rwhitby | halfhalo: actually, all we know is that TUV has certified some phone hardware from Palm which happens to have model numbers that are sequential in the naming scheme to existing devices. |
| 02:25.46 | bpadalino | i heard palm is going to stop making phones and is going right into the iphone accessories market .. there's a ton more money in that market |
| 02:26.11 | bpadalino | imagine a device that your iphone can tether to .. like a tablet .. foleo or something ? |
| 02:26.17 | bpadalino | revolutionary! |
| 02:26.21 | Zen00 | Way to chill a conversation. |
| 02:26.23 | rwhitby | whether or not those certified devices will ever reach the market, and if so, when, is a completely different question, for which there is no publicly available information that I have seen |
| 02:26.23 | Zen00 | :P |
| 02:26.24 | halfhalo | rwhitby: even without the TUV stuff, We still know palm is working on new stuff, just no more details |
| 02:26.45 | bpadalino | how much does it cost to get a device certified ? |
| 02:26.54 | Zen00 | I wonder how much a black market prototype would go for if they never do go in for mass production? |
| 02:26.59 | rwhitby | heaps, so it's usually done quite late in the schedule |
| 02:27.07 | rwhitby | bpadalino: ^^ |
| 02:27.40 | rwhitby | bpadalino: but I've seen devices at big companies cancelled after certification before |
| 02:27.42 | bpadalino | always surprised that there's no more consolidation in the radio features of a device if it costs so much to certify each device .. |
| 02:27.43 | chrisA | Zen00: not sure, I could try ebaying some canceled projects and see |
| 02:27.47 | Zen00 | I hate my chemistry lab book. |
| 02:27.51 | bpadalino | one for gsm, one for cdma, one for blah blah blah |
| 02:27.54 | Zen00 | It's the worst ever. |
| 02:28.20 | Zen00 | I love my O-Chem book, but this Quantitative Chemical Analysis sucks. |
| 02:28.23 | bpadalino | rwhitby: that is surprising! must have been a terrible device :( |
| 02:28.27 | Zen00 | It's completely unreadable. |
| 02:28.31 | rwhitby | bpadalino: manuf cost of a consolidated device is larger than two specialised, including once-off certification costs probably |
| 02:28.44 | rwhitby | bpadalino: no, the market had a disruptive change |
| 02:28.49 | chrisA | There are plenty of reasons to kill a product off post-cert but before mass production |
| 02:28.53 | chrisA | Say the market has changed |
| 02:28.58 | chrisA | Say your carrier deals fell through |
| 02:29.19 | bpadalino | rwhitby: you think so? with the chipsets today that do everything .. i'd imagine it can't be that difficult or expensive to get a single device that does it all |
| 02:29.24 | Zen00 | See, I want a webOS tablet much more than a webOS phone right now. I would love a content consumption device. |
| 02:29.27 | bpadalino | unless the RF sections are THAT complicated |
| 02:29.41 | bpadalino | carrier deals .. i hate how the carrier is the customer .. |
| 02:29.45 | chrisA | RF requires entire teams of specialty engineers |
| 02:29.48 | SineOt | I want a webOS TV so I can watch four shows at once at the same time :Q |
| 02:29.49 | rwhitby | bpadalino: I believe it's more the complicated RF bits, but I'm no RF engineer |
| 02:30.01 | rwhitby | bpadalino: what chrisA said :) |
| 02:30.16 | bpadalino | everything is vector IQ modulators now .. it's not like there are a lot of IFs now .. |
| 02:31.01 | rwhitby | The more I know about the fine details of cellular technologies, the more I stand in awe that we can actually make phone calls on a daily basis. |
| 02:31.03 | bpadalino | though maybe it's all just RF |
| 02:31.11 | Zen00 | I still wish I could Frankenstein some more RAM onto my Pre from my old sticks lying around. :P |
| 02:31.17 | bpadalino | rwhitby: oh it's pretty spectacular, that's for sure .. |
| 02:31.37 | bpadalino | it's a little irritating when people complain that the piece of technology failed them at the "most inconvenient time" |
| 02:32.05 | Zen00 | So, who here still wants Flash on their phone? I don't, mainly for security flaws right now. |
| 02:32.22 | chrisA | After going to factories in asia for builds I am amazed any consumer product is ever released |
| 02:32.36 | bpadalino | chrisA: do you think USA manufacturing can do better ? |
| 02:32.49 | chrisA | It's not an issue with the region |
| 02:33.06 | chrisA | Just watching things that can crop up |
| 02:33.11 | chrisA | and how often vendors fuck up |
| 02:33.16 | Zen00 | I wonder, how much of a premium that people would pay for a US built phone. |
| 02:33.22 | bpadalino | yeah, vendors are pretty terrible |
| 02:33.31 | bpadalino | there's a big tantalum capacitor shortage right now |
| 02:33.31 | chrisA | Though having people who were sweet potato farmers last week building phones the next week |
| 02:33.35 | chrisA | Not great |
| 02:34.11 | Zen00 | Not exactly the best of choices of workers then. |
| 02:34.37 | bpadalino | hard to find skilled labor to do that stuff |
| 02:34.57 | bpadalino | even finding defects is difficult to do with those boards.. BGA components .. 01005 sizes |
| 02:35.16 | Zen00 | Meh, too bad we can't do it all with robotics. |
| 02:35.24 | rwhitby | I suspect they still do a better job at it than I would, 100 devices an hour, 12 hours a day, 7 days a week ... |
| 02:35.47 | chrisA | I want new products to come out so I can put them on my resume and add them to my set of production boxes |
| 02:35.51 | bpadalino | i hand soldered 4 boards today .. thru hole or 1206 components .. |
| 02:35.54 | bpadalino | took me like 2 hours |
| 02:36.04 | SineOt | I'm sure after you've built them for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week, for a few months, you'd do just as good at it :p |
| 02:36.11 | halfhalo | I can't solder a single thing for the life of me |
| 02:36.20 | rwhitby | SineOt: the point is that I wouldn't |
| 02:36.23 | bpadalino | rs232 to ttl converters |
| 02:37.01 | Zen00 | I soldered my headset back together, that's about all I've done. |
| 02:37.36 | bpadalino | i'm much better at ripping up pcb traces from test points that don't have any strain relief |
| 02:37.41 | bpadalino | i am a pro at that |
| 02:38.29 | bpadalino | i've got fpga build issues now .. with a lack of good constraints |
| 02:38.56 | halfhalo | fpga is unfortunately over my head |
| 02:38.57 | Zen00 | I don't know what those acronyms mean. |
| 02:39.19 | bpadalino | pcb = printed circuit board, fpga = field programmable gate array (programmable logic) |
| 02:39.45 | bpadalino | it's my dayjob |
| 02:40.55 | Zen00 | I know the PCB one. |
| 02:41.00 | bpadalino | oh ok |
| 02:41.05 | Zen00 | Thanks for the expo on FPGA. |
| 02:41.15 | Zen00 | Still don't know what it is. |
| 02:41.26 | bpadalino | it's like assembly, but you aren't restricted by the registers you can use .. |
| 02:41.32 | bpadalino | and every clock cycle you get to choose what you want to do |
| 02:41.58 | halfhalo | Yeah, over my head |
| 02:41.59 | Zen00 | Meh, that's all CS major stuff to me. |
| 02:42.13 | bpadalino | computer engineering more than science .. |
| 02:42.16 | halfhalo | I did a single asm class so far |
| 02:42.18 | Zen00 | I quite that after failing at Java. |
| 02:42.42 | halfhalo | Java is just.... annoying to me |
| 02:42.44 | bpadalino | it's actually interesting how different CE is from CS .. and amazing the lack of overlap |
| 02:42.56 | halfhalo | Its easy, but i hate it |
| 02:44.20 | Zen00 | For the most part, how programs work for me is by magic. |
| 02:44.32 | Zen00 | It's easier to think that way. :D |
| 02:45.01 | Zen00 | I want to show a cave man some of our stuff today and watch his brain explode. |
| 02:48.06 | bpadalino | you think a caveman would care? maybe about the mechanical stuff .. but i doubt about the technological wizardly |
| 02:48.11 | bpadalino | wizardry |
| 02:48.29 | halfhalo | flashing lights would |
| 02:49.42 | SineOt | or sound, or video or etc |
| 02:49.46 | halfhalo | hell, flashing lights amaze me now |
| 02:49.58 | bpadalino | blinky |
| 02:50.24 | SineOt | when my Pixi bugs out and forgets it has a gesture area and just flashes the little bar at me, it's like "oh man that is so cool" *blink blink blink blink* |
| 02:50.37 | Zen00 | It always seems to work in those movies when people go back in time. |
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| 09:08.55 | Jack87 | Good evening |
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| 12:42.43 | djk | anyone else getting an error in the App Catalog? "The action could not be completed. Try again leter." |
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| 13:18.24 | hape | yep |
| 13:18.41 | hape | looks like a Problem on Palms ende. |
| 13:18.48 | ka6sox | looks like its broken |
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| 13:44.32 | rwhitby | djk: use preware to update apps individually. enable the palm feed and update feeds first. |
| 13:44.46 | rwhitby | dont use update all until Palm fixes the problem (which they have said they will) |
| 13:47.36 | djk | I'm getting when trying to install new apps too. Hope they fix it soon. Is this a server side fix or a push of a webOS update? |
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| 13:57.51 | rwhitby | server side |
| 14:04.07 | djk | That is good to know now to wait impatiently ;-) |
| 14:09.24 | rwhitby | or you could choose patiently instead. it will be better for your health, since it is something you cannot control. |
| 14:09.59 | rwhitby | bbt |
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| 14:31.58 | thegozt | guess not |
| 14:32.31 | en0x | go to #webos |
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| 15:38.14 | djk | What's the deal with Contact notes displaying html <br /> codes but they don't show in the edit? |
| 15:38.51 | en0x | its a bug |
| 15:40.14 | djk | hope they fix it |
| 15:41.17 | djk | Also getting an ssl error on trying to connect to Exchange server but I don't get when using the PC |
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