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01:04.08RWings19anyone got time to help me with a seriously bricked Pre?  (Yes, I've read/tried it all.)
01:04.50rwhitbyRWings19: I've seen the backlog about your Pre.
01:05.01RWings19rod, it's an honor to hear from you personally.
01:05.07rwhitbyyou can get into recovery mode, right?
01:05.11RWings19Yes , I can.
01:05.18RWings19and bootie
01:05.21rwhitbydo you have meta-doctor set up
01:05.38RWings19I tried under ubuntu - but it kept giving me errors during the 'make' stage
01:05.52RWings19I might have to re-do that using a separate virtualbox setup
01:05.54rwhitbydo you have an unpacked doctor?
01:06.06rwhitby(all you need is the .uImage file)
01:06.07RWings19meaning... can I extract from the .jar?
01:06.27rwhitbythere's an unpack-doctor script in meta-doctor/scripts/
01:07.13rwhitbyRWings19: I'm assuming from reading the backlog that you have reasonable linux command line skills, correct?
01:07.29RWings19well, I did already try 'novacom boot mem:// < uImage...joplin-3430' and that did NOT do the trick
01:07.40RWings19yes, reasonable skills
01:08.09rwhitbythis is a Pre, right?
01:08.15RWings19yes - sprint Pre
01:08.19rwhitbyyou need nova-installer-image-castle.uImage
01:08.28RWings19good to know :)
01:08.37rwhitbywhich is in the webOS.tar file in the unpacked doctor
01:08.47RWings19sounds like I have some work to do
01:08.52rwhitby(in the webOS subdir if you use the unpack script)
01:09.10rwhitbyonce you memboot that image, you can then novaterm into the device
01:09.27Loudergood7zip works great for cracking open jar files
01:09.36RWings19I've got 7-zip
01:09.59rwhitbyyou can then use the commands from the meta-doctor makefile to start the LVM and mount the flash filesystems, and you can take a clone of the filesystems at that point for safety
01:10.11rwhitbythen you can make manual edits as required to get it booting again
01:11.02RWings19rod - sorry, you're starting to get a bit over my head
01:11.24RWings19is there a step-by-step wiki that walks through setting up the LVM, etc?
01:11.31rwhitbyopen the meta-doctor Makefile and you will see the commands in there
01:12.13RWings19OK, I was able to extract the uImage file with 7-zip
01:12.30rwhitbysearch for "backup:" "mount:", "memload:" etc in the Makefile to see the novacom commands you need to type
01:13.10rwhitby"make backup" should just work once you have the installer uImage booted
01:13.43RWings19OK, going to try to mem-boot the uImage right now
01:15.11rwhitbyBTW, this process is on the recovery wiki page, in the last-resort section
01:15.32RWings19OK, I am into the device!
01:16.08RWings19got the 'root@palm-webos-device:/#' prompt
01:17.47rwhitbyok, do a "make backup" in the meta-doctor now
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01:19.17RWings19shoot, I don't have the meta-doctor set up right now.
01:19.28RWings19I am accessing the device through WinXP's cmd
01:19.37RWings19I did both lvm lines
01:19.57RWings196 logical volumes now active!
01:21.38RWings19just issued the 'for N' command
01:21.41RWings19looks successful
01:22.24RWings19ls shows me plenty of files
01:22.49rwhitbyso the problem was you were just using the wrong .uImage file
01:23.13RWings19right - but now that I have access to these files (from within Windows) how can I copy the files to my Windows volume?
01:23.31rwhitbylook at the backup command in the Makefiel
01:24.20rwhitbybasically you stream a tar file back over novacom
01:24.28RWings19hmm...
01:24.34RWings19OK, I'll try to figure that out
01:25.00RWings19what command(s) do I need to do to get the Pre out of its reboot loop at this point?
01:25.24RWings19should the 'umount -a; tellbootie reboot' do it?
01:25.49rwhitbyyep
01:26.11rwhitbywell, that will just reboot it - you haven't changed anything on the device yet
01:26.18RWings19OK - I have not been able to figure out the backup thing yet... since I don't have the ubuntu image running right now
01:26.22rwhitbyso if you really do have a reboot loop, you still need to fix that
01:26.40rwhitbywhat kernel were you running?
01:26.45RWings19Uber
01:26.57RWings19but it was one of the bleeding edge ones... not sure which version
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01:27.03RWings19it was after 1GHz was merged to stable
01:27.34RWings19I have  no idea whether I still have a reboot loop or not - since I have not tried to reboot the device since getting into it.
01:28.00rwhitbymemboot doesn't change the flash, so any problem will still be there
01:28.17rwhitbyyou've tried booting while plugged into the wall charger, right?
01:28.31RWings19yes sir
01:28.51RWings19no change
01:29.21RWings19i've tried webOS Doctor over and over; it always disconnects at 4% or 8%
01:29.44rwhitbythat's usually the fault of the host machine not being able to reconnect the USB
01:30.26RWings19OK - but that happened on three different PCs
01:32.16rwhitbyonce you get your data off and verify that you have it, you could then dd zero the filesystem partitions to clear them.  that should fix any doctor problems
01:32.43RWings19still trying to find where it is....
01:32.59RWings19and how to copy it off without having to use a virtual ubuntu image, if possible
01:33.57rwhitbydunno, haven't used windows in over a year now
01:34.32summatusmentisI don't believe windows has that capacity by default
01:35.29RWings19ok
01:36.12summatusmentisalthough i don't really use windows either
01:36.24rwhitbynovacom should work fine on windows - you should be able to output it to a file
01:37.02RWings19where are the images (photos, etc.) stored in the palm's linux filesystem?
01:37.19chrisA<PROTECTED>
01:37.46RWings19crap...
01:37.54RWings19when I do ls there, I see nothing
01:38.30Loudergoodmight not be mounted there?
01:39.23rwhitbyit'll be mounted wherever you mounted the store partition
01:39.29rwhitbybbl
01:40.12RWings19all I did was follow the commands on the Last Resort page
01:40.22RWings19so I didn't pick any specific locations for mounting
01:42.34RWings19sorry if I sound noobish
01:42.39RWings19I am doing the best I can here
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01:51.14Loudergoodhmm...I need to do this on my pre...of course it has a different dhclient-script so this should be fun..
01:51.16Loudergoodhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3773287&postcount=6
01:52.52RWings19OK, I found the mounted locations, and confirm that my files are still there
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01:53.05RWings19I just need to figure out how to get them off there and onto my PC
01:54.39RWings19or... how to break the infinite reboot loop!
01:56.03Loudergoodthere we are....line 144 looks like a promising candidate
01:56.36RWings19I'm all ears
01:59.21Loudergoodunfortunately I have more linux knowledge than pre knowledge...so you might have to wait for rwhitby to get back
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02:00.35Vince42What should I do, if Emergency Patch Recovery hangs?
02:00.37RWings19I think if I can figure out how to get novaterm running and copy files over that, I'll be OK
02:01.24Loudergoodif you can get novaterm running, look at nova-browser in the pdk
02:02.19LoudergoodVince42, go see the doctor?
02:02.22RWings19well, I am in the Pre
02:02.26RWings19Pre's filesystem
02:02.37Vince42Loudergood: I wanted to avoid that :)
02:03.31Loudergoodnova-browser lets you upload and download files from the device
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02:04.10RWings19i see the nova-browser.bat file but when I clicked it it seemed to self-terminate
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02:05.24RWings19this is maddening
02:05.37Loudergoodtry running it from command line
02:06.19Loudergoodactually it seems there is a jar for it
02:06.26LoudergoodDeviceBrowser.jar
02:07.24Loudergoodunder share/jars/ in the pdk
02:07.41RWings19yeah but it's not talking with the Pre for some reason
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02:08.30Loudergoodbut novaterm is working?
02:08.47LoudergoodI wonder if it wont let them both work at the same time
02:08.53Loudergoodlet me check here.
02:09.00RWings19holy crap, I think the jar is working
02:09.11Loudergood^5
02:10.59Loudergoodalright, I'm going to bed. Good luck.
02:12.11RWings19thanks... looks like I will be able to save the files!
02:12.30RWings19If only I can clear the reboot loop, then I will be all set.  thanks for all your help.
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02:17.12scoutcamperor a palm pad
02:17.17scoutcamperwichever is first :D
02:17.45RWings19anyone have any idea how to clear the infinite reboot loop?
02:17.52summatusmentisRWings19: I do not
02:18.15summatusmentisscoutcamper: I'm trying to decide whether or not I want to use my contract renewal on a pre or not
02:18.39scoutcamperRWings19, on a pre???
02:19.27RWings19yes, on a Pre
02:19.30scoutcampersummatusmentis, id wait till end of october, if there is nothing new by then, then you didnt waste anything really, but if the tuv is right, then something is comming october
02:19.41RWings19already tried WebOS Doctor, plugged in to wall charger, etc.
02:19.45SineOtsummatusmentis: I think we talked about it already, but there's just too much cool stuff coming out soon to waste an upgrade on it now
02:20.10scoutcamperRWings19, get it into recovery mode(pull bat, put back in, hold volume up while turning on, then doctor
02:20.19summatusmentisscoutcamper: the TUV didn't mention a date at all
02:20.24RWings19scout, tried that, no luck
02:20.29summatusmentisSineOt: did we? sorry, not to be annoying
02:20.37RWings19gets to 4%, loses connection, fails
02:20.51scoutcamperRWings19,  take it back to wherever you got it
02:20.58SineOtI don't remember, I just remember saying to someone to wait until like, November
02:21.09RWings19sprint repair center tried it too... they couldn't fix it
02:21.11SineOtsince even with Sprint Premier you're still going to be stuck with it for a year
02:21.13scoutcampersummatusmentis, im thinking along the lines of the gsm pre plus
02:21.30scoutcamperRWings19, call palm
02:21.42scoutcamperRWings19, did you overclock?
02:21.46SineOtand with new hardware, or at the least a new 2.0 on the horizon (and 2.0 is probably coming with new hardware...)
02:21.49summatusmentisscoutcamper: hrm, the issue is there's always a "wait another month" feeling, you know?
02:21.56RWings19yeah, but i had been overclocked for months before this happened
02:22.02summatusmentisalthough, this new Mansion thing indicates that there's no keyboard :(
02:22.06summatusmentiskeyboard is important
02:22.24SineOtsummatusmentis, out of curiosity, what virtual keyboards have you used?
02:22.33summatusmentisapple, and android
02:22.36scoutcamperhopes for swype
02:22.46summatusmentison android, it was on a resistive screen
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02:23.21SineOtgross
02:23.31SineOtresistive anything with a virtual keyboard would be disgusting
02:23.31summatusmentisindeed
02:23.43summatusmentisit actually works ok, but I dislike it
02:23.53summatusmentisbut I don't like the iphone vkb either
02:24.01SineOtwhich iphone did you use it on?
02:24.02scoutcampergrafiti might be ok ...
02:24.05summatusmentis(or, technically iPod Touch)
02:24.10summatusmentisSineOt: 1G iPod Touch
02:24.19scoutcamperSineOt, Iphone VKB on 3gs SUCKS!
02:24.27SineOtit's a lot better on the Retina Display equipped ones, I think
02:24.39summatusmentishow so?
02:24.48halfhaloI prefer my ipod
02:25.01halfhaloAKA zune
02:25.05summatusmentisI just like hardware keyboards
02:25.12summatusmentisif they're good
02:25.16scoutcamperprefers his roll up usb keyboard
02:25.19scoutcamper:D
02:25.22summatusmentisI liked my centro keyboard
02:25.30scoutcampercentro was good, so is pixi
02:25.42summatusmentisI think I'd like pixi or pre keyboards
02:25.54summatusmentisI'm skeptica that I'd like a touchscreen one
02:26.41scoutcamperpre keyboard is a pain to take apart or put back together, i know, i had to repair my keyboard today(the "o" key stuck D: )
02:27.20summatusmentisI don't really take phones apart
02:27.50SineOtjust seems better spaced
02:27.55scoutcamperdoes and the pre is a pain to take apart and put back together
02:28.04SineOtyou know the one thing I'd be -really- interested in seeing would be a landscape slider
02:28.11SineOtI think it'd be an interesting webOS formfactor
02:28.14summatusmentispalm has never done landscape keyboards
02:28.24summatusmentisI'd be curious to see how theirs would work
02:28.56scoutcamperthinks palm will never do landscape except witha vkb
02:29.01SineOtwebOS/mojo already pretty much seamlessly can translate between landscape and portrait, so that's out of the way
02:30.02summatusmentisI'm intrigued that palm might make a vkb, but I'd have to try it before I'd be ok using it, I think
02:30.20scoutcampertrue
02:30.39summatusmentisI just really like Palm's hardware kbs
02:31.03scoutcampercentro was great, i like the pixi wehn new, it sound like popcorn!
02:32.06scoutcamper(when using keyboard)
02:32.08scoutcamper:D
02:33.18summatusmentisI can't afford a used pixi right now :)
02:33.49scoutcamperis your pre borked?
02:34.16summatusmentisI've never owned a webos device
02:34.39scoutcamperis sorry ..
02:35.01scoutcamperthinks wait a month, that tuv gives me hope
02:35.01halfhaloI own two.  used to have a third, but lost it
02:36.52summatusmentisscoutcamper: I kept SERO instead of switching to a WebOS compatible plan
02:37.03summatusmentisnow SERO has an addon that lets me get WebOS hardware :)
02:37.28summatusmentishalfhalo: why two?
02:37.35summatusmentisbackup?
02:37.48halfhaloOne was a sprint pre, the other was a devdays pre plus
02:37.53summatusmentisah
02:38.29summatusmentisah
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02:38.38summatusmentiserr, didn't mean to send that twice
02:38.46halfhalosuuuure you didn't
02:38.51summatusmentis*snrk*
02:39.23SineOthonestly, after using both the pre plus and pixi keyboards... the pixi one is a hell of a lot nicer :p
02:39.27summatusmentishalfhalo: so you've got a comm-swapped pre+ I assume?
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02:43.26scoutcamperthinks the next palm device should be palm post
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03:07.56RWings19just checking - anyone know how to get a Pre out of an infinite reboot loop when Recovery Mode/Doctor doesn't do it?
03:09.01rwhitbyRWings19: you'll need to work out what is causing the loop.
03:09.17RWings19any idea how to do that, rod?
03:09.20rwhitbyRWings19: first guess would be something in /etc/event.d/
03:09.31rwhitbysecond guess is the kernel
03:09.40rwhitbyhave you got all your data off it - that's the first priority
03:09.47RWings19working on that now
03:10.00RWings19it's slow going, have to copy the files one by one
03:10.03scoutcampercan you novaterm in?
03:10.13RWings19got the pictures, need to work on the saverestore directory
03:10.23RWings19I can novaterm in
03:10.31halfhaloZip the entire thing and move it over at once?
03:10.38RWings19been using the Device Browser .jar
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03:11.26rwhitbyRWings19: use the commands in Makefile to tar up on the device and stream it over
03:11.38RWings19halfhalo, that's a decent idea - should everything I need be contained in /media/internal?
03:12.18RWings19just have to hope I have enough room on the device to .tar everything
03:12.33halfhaloshrugs. Never actually backed anything up off the pre, everything is synced to the clouds and then rained down on my pc
03:12.57RWings19halfhalo:  pictures are not backed up to the cloud, I don't think,
03:13.01rwhitbynovacom -w run file://bin/tar -- -C /tmp/media/ --totals -cf - .  > media.tar
03:13.09RWings19so i had to get those, which I did
03:13.20rwhitby(assuming your media partition is mounted at /tmp/media)
03:13.28halfhalohas that folder synced with other stuff
03:13.47RWings19it's in /mnt/media
03:16.44RWings19hmm, the .tar file is only 595 bytes.  That doesn't seem right
03:16.54rwhitbynope
03:16.56halfhaloOr its got amazing compresson
03:17.02halfhalocompression*
03:17.13RWings19I typed the line exactly as you specified, except I used /mnt/media/
03:17.49rwhitbyweird - that command works on Linux and Mac-OSX
03:18.13RWings19I do that from within the Pre, right?  Once I am at the root@palm prompt?
03:18.29rwhitbyno, you do that from the host
03:18.43rwhitbynovacom causes a command to run on the Pre
03:18.59rwhitbye.g. novacom run file://bin/ls
03:19.08RWings19ok, will try again
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03:20.45RWings19it's running...
03:20.51RWings19Rod, you're a genius
03:21.17RWings19should I look at etc/event.d to see what's contained in there?
03:21.33rwhitbyyep
03:23.03RWings19just three files
03:23.09RWings19novacomd
03:23.20RWings19runlevel-H-handler, runlevel-U-handler
03:23.27rwhitbyoh, the mounted version of etc/event.d
03:23.37rwhitbymaybe /mnt/root/etc/event.d or something
03:25.39RWings19ok, plenty to see there
03:26.09rwhitbylook for a govnah or compcache file
03:27.35RWings19don't see either one of those there
03:28.09RWings19BTW, can't thank you enough for your patience and assistance
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03:30.37RWings19so if I can't find compcache or govnah, what else should I check?
03:31.25rwhitbyat that point you will want to revert the kernel
03:31.48rwhitbyyou'll need to unpack the files from /boot and /lib/modules from the doctor, and transfer them across to the Pre
03:32.21RWings19OK
03:34.55RWings19to the same directories on the pre?  replace everything that is currently there?
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03:39.10RWings19just trying to find where those files are in the doctor archive
03:39.23RWings19think I've got 'em
03:42.47RWings19in the archive, in /boot , there are 5 files... on my pre in /boot there are only three
03:43.32RWings19the ones that are missing are system.map-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 and config-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430
03:45.23RWings19could that be what is making the difference?
03:45.27halfhaloMicrosoft has once again let me down...
03:45.49scoutcamperhalfhalo, why now?
03:45.59halfhalonew technet changes
03:47.00halfhaloInstead of 1 level with 10 keys per item, theres now two levels with either 2 keys or 5 keys
03:48.13halfhaloI can understand the new tiers... but they didn't announce it to anything, they just changed it
03:48.18halfhaloIncluding existing accounts
03:53.31rwhitbyRWings19: again, make sure you are looking in the mounted boot area
03:53.41RWings19right
03:54.10rwhitbyuse webos.pastebin.com to paste the contents of /mnt/boot (or wherever)
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03:55.17RWings19if I look in /mnt I do not see boot
03:56.42RWings19I have card, cf, log, media, net, ram, root, update, and var
03:56.53RWings19card, cf, net, and ram are symlinks
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04:00.50rwhitbymaybe it's not mounted
04:01.05RWings19could that be part of the problem?
04:01.26rwhitbyah, the meta-doctor doesn't bother mounting that
04:01.50rwhitbyrun "mkdir /mnt/boot ; mount /dev/mapper/store-boot /mnt/boot"
04:02.01rwhitbyrun "mkdir /mnt/boot ; mount /dev/mapper/store-boot /mnt/boot -o ro"
04:02.10RWings19the second one?
04:02.30rwhitbysecond for read-only, first for writeable
04:02.48RWings19i probably need writeable
04:03.11rwhitbyah, boot is different
04:03.29RWings19well, i have not issued any commands yet
04:03.57rwhitbytry "mkdir /mnt/boot ; mount /dev/mmcblk0p3 /mnt/boot"
04:04.28rwhitbythe /boot partition is not part of the LVM
04:05.13RWings19failed:  device or resource busy
04:05.42rwhitbypastebin the output from "cat /proc/mounts" and "cat /proc/partitions"
04:06.27rwhitbyit might be mmcblk0p2
04:07.24RWings19ugh... the novacom command to export to media.tar keeps self-disconnecting!!
04:10.40RWings19just posted to pastebin
04:24.31RWings19OK looks like 0p2 is it - just amended the pastebin with the file listing from /mnt/boot
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04:27.26RWings19rwhitby, what next?
04:29.59rwhitbyRWings19: I didn't see the pastebins, or confirmation of /boot mounting
04:30.20RWings19boot mounted... it was 0p2
04:30.47RWings19i haven't done anything since then
04:31.00rwhitbyok, so you need to copy the kernel from the recovery ipk or doctor into there
04:31.04rwhitbyin /boot and /lib/modules
04:31.17rwhitby*very* *carefully*
04:31.18RWings19http://webos.pastebin.com/yaEiy9q7
04:32.00rwhitbyHmm - you have a chuck (Pixi) kernel in your /boot
04:32.25rwhitbythat would explain it.
04:32.35rwhitbywhat tool did you use to install your kernel?
04:32.51RWings19all I have used is Preware / Govnah / Uberkernel
04:33.14rwhitbyI can't see how you got a Pixi kernel on there then
04:33.14RWings19weird thing is that one minute, the phone was working fine.  the next, it had started its reboot loop.
04:33.21RWings19yeah me either
04:33.36RWings19if I rm those chuck files, might that make a difference?
04:33.42rwhitby"ls -l /mnt/boot" please
04:34.45RWings19http://webos.pastebin.com/bD2FBUF1
04:34.59RWings19include the output of ls -l /mnt/boot
04:35.23rwhitbyuImage symlink is still pointing to the right place
04:35.27RWings19righ
04:35.28RWings19right
04:35.43rwhitbyls -l /mnt/root/lib/modules/
04:36.35RWings19two dirs, one chuck and one joplin
04:37.07RWings19Jul12 date on chuck, Sep17 date on joplin
04:37.55RWings19drwxr-xr-x    4 root     root         4096 Jul 12  2010 2.6.24-palm-chuck
04:37.57RWings19drwxr-xr-x    7 root     root         4096 Sep 17  2010 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430
04:38.05rwhitbyremove all the chuck stuff - that's for a pixi
04:38.27rwhitbycompare all the joplin stuff against the kernel and modules out of the doctor or the palm recovery ipkg
04:38.30SineOtwhy would the chuck have such an old time stamp on it?
04:39.25rwhitbypixi kernel hasn't changed a lot
04:39.43RWings19what is the switch to force rmdir to work when it's not empty?  i can't remember
04:40.46SineOtwouldn't that place it almost a month+ older than release date?
04:40.53SineOtassuming stock 1.4.5
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04:41.50rwhitbybuild date for Pixi 1.4.5 is 20100614133409
04:42.07SineOtthey sat on that thing for a long time
04:42.36SineOtwhat's the build date for Pre 1.4.5?
04:42.37rwhitbyyep, thank your carriers for that
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04:42.56rwhitbythey are all on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions
04:43.25rwhitby(date column in the md5sums table)
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04:43.55SineOtthey're all about 6/14, aside from ATT's
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04:44.54RWings19interesting, difference in file size in the uImage files btwn what is on my Pre and what is in the Doctor
04:45.35RWings19on my Pre:  2,353,404        in the Doctor archive:  2,345,880
04:46.10RWings19also slight diff in System.map files
04:46.23RWings19and config files
04:46.29RWings19significant??
04:48.05RWings19should I replace those three files in /mnt/boot?
04:48.55RWings19the ones in the Doctor archive are dated Jun14, vs. Sep17 on my Pre
04:50.28rwhitbycopy the ones from the doctor to your Pre
04:50.38rwhitbymake sure the /lib/modules files match too
04:50.59RWings19all of the subfiles in lib/modules?
04:51.00rwhitbyyou need a consistent set of kernel and modules, or you'll make things worse
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04:57.14RWings19is there a quick way to copy directories from the host to the Pre through novacom?
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05:02.01RWings19once i have everything copied, should I umount and try to reboot?
05:02.36rwhitbyyep
05:02.50rwhitbythe quick way for directories is to use tar
05:04.09RWings19OK, I created the .tar file on the host
05:04.57RWings19transferred it over
05:05.46RWings19so now tar xvf filename.tar, right?
05:08.20RWings19OK got it sent over... going to try to umount and see what happens
05:09.53RWings19argh.......
05:09.59RWings19no luck, same stupid reboot
05:11.23RWings19this thing is really toast
05:26.53rwhitbyyou should be able to doctor it
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05:28.41RWings19sorry, Rod, I just tried the Doctor and no luck
05:28.55RWings19my last resort will be trying 1.0.3
05:28.59RWings19instead of 1.4.5
05:31.40rwhitbytry it from a linux or mac computer
05:34.13RWings19OK... I'll see if I can get it to work on Linux
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05:37.23rwhitbynative linux, not a virtual machine
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06:13.38rwhitbyoil: govnah release seems to have been well recieved
06:13.56oilthats good
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06:26.07sethrondoes anyone remenber the command to return a list of all lauchpoints in json?
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16:20.31GNUtoo|laptopdoes it makes you magically appear?
16:20.39GNUtoo|laptophmmm no
16:20.42GNUtoo|laptopdidn't work
16:21.58GNUtoo|laptopmaybe I need some magic formulas
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16:39.18nn7My pal pre loses all my alarms when I reboot
16:39.33nn7it doesn't lose them, it just changes them all to "alarm"+daily+5pm and turns them all off
16:39.45nn7so I suddenly have 7 identical alarms and they're all off
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16:49.16dtzWillnn7: my favorite is when my pre reboots right when an alarm is supposed to go off, the code that runs the alarm is started up WAY early relative to giving me the UI, so i have to sit for the 3 minutes or so until I can finally disable the damn thing
16:49.27dtzWillhappened to me a few times, notably this morning x.x
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16:50.03nn7hahah
16:50.18nn7I read somewhere someone recommending a different alarm app in the app catalog
16:50.25dtzWillconceivably i could adjust the volume? didn't try it was early and i was ..not pleased.
16:50.35dtzWillnn7: yeah the default is crap, although with patch to add day support and whatnot it's better
16:50.47nn7I have that patch
16:51.00nn7but I keep losing my alarms
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16:51.58dtzWillnn7: yeah, i have that too, but i regularly mess up my device's preferences deal making it act goofy...al the time.
16:52.16dtzWillstilly is lame though that you can't reliably count on the alarm, my fault for making phone flaky or no
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17:36.38Mouseyhi internets!
17:38.07Loudergooddamn, my dhclient-script edit didn't work. have to bring the laptop up to campus next time
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18:19.09LoudergoodI wonder what would happen if I just dropped the linux dhclient-script in there...probably not good..
18:22.20Loudergoodinteresting that there are references to redhat in the palm files
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18:55.31PuffTheMagicGNUtoo|laptop: pong
18:56.00GNUtoo|laptopPuffTheMagic, I'm busy with dream's wifi right now
18:56.05GNUtoo|laptopbut I'll try as soon as I can
18:56.07GNUtoo|laptopmaybe today
18:56.14PuffTheMagicjust saying that im back in town
18:56.19PuffTheMagicso get at me when you are ready
18:56.41GNUtoo|laptopok thanks a lot
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19:42.15snangsconix, you there homie?
19:42.25sconixyep
19:42.45snangAnybody mentioned a problem with the facebook chat spoof sounds with your new advanced config patch?
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19:43.10snangIt seems to be ignoring the configuration, plays an entirely different sound, or no sound at all.
19:43.26sconixYes I would guess it does
19:43.59snangIt's configured as a normal messaging account, allows me to choose sound, vibration, and repeat options.
19:44.00sconixsince it is a spoof I guess it configures the account as gtalk account and my patch is looking notification settings for facebook not gtalk
19:44.15sconixand that is causing the problem
19:44.37snangEven though the OS considers it a gtalk account?
19:44.53sconixyes the info that comes with the message is most likely telling that it is from facebook account
19:45.30sconixanyway there is problems with the other account than gtalk so its still possible that I actually got something wrong so when I get that fixed the fb thing might start to work too
19:45.58snangRight on, no worries, just didn't know if anybody had brought it up or not.
19:46.11sconixso I will look into this within next couple days, but it is possible that my patch cannot fix the fb spoof that it would need a separate patch
19:46.36snangApart from that, the patch is great. Your work is much appreciated.
19:48.01sconixthanks, hopefully the next release has those couple bugs that were reported all fixed out then I can be happy about the patch myself too :)
19:48.19sconix-myself
19:49.16snangYour two patches rendered over 50 patches obsolete. That in itself is completely awesome.
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19:50.01sconixthats only side product specially for this latest patch, I just wanted more stuff that MS can control :)
19:52.09snangI also seem to be getting random vibrations. heh
19:52.36sconixthey can't be totally random
19:52.40sconixsomething has to set them off
19:53.11snangI have no unread messages.
19:53.22snangI have the notification repeat set to 5 mins, that's about the interval.
19:53.37sconixthen its that, is it a messaging account?
19:53.52snangIt might be a problem with the fb spoof again, not sure.
19:53.58snangThat's the last account I received a message through.
19:54.53sconixsince I know that there is at least one more person having that problem
19:55.14sconixI just haven't been able to reproduce it or figure out the reason, but I will :)
19:55.30snangFirst time this has happened.
19:55.33sconixits most likely stupid typo somewhere that prevents the cancellation of the repeat task
19:55.48snangThe joys of development.
19:56.34sconixcan you describe the situation of the last mesasge received, I mean did you have msg app open or no and did it show the banner and how did you opened the message (from the banner or by opening msg app etc.)
19:56.39sconixthis could help me to figure this one out
19:57.40snangIt was just sitting idle on my desk, locked. The message came in, I didn't immediately open my phone and dismiss it. I think I cleared it after the first notification repeat.
19:57.56snangIt just vibrated again, 3rd time. Will see if it stops, I have it set to a max repeat of 3.
19:58.13sconixat least for the another person with the problem the limit works just fine
19:58.26sconixso you dismissed the banned and did not open the messaging app from there ?
19:58.43tmzt_anybody compare RIM tablet with webos yet?
19:58.45snangIt was already opened to that persons message thread when I unlocked the phone.
19:58.51snangI didn't have a banner to swipe.
19:58.52tmzt_as far as html applications go
19:59.23sconixof course that situation I might have missed actually
19:59.36sconixthanks will test and hopefully this is fixed in next release :)
20:02.38sconixas it turns out the case for the same for the another person so I definitely can fix this now
20:03.02snangExcellent.
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20:21.40GNUtoo|laptopPuffTheMagic, I'll ssh
20:22.20GNUtoo|laptopPuffTheMagic, but what's that
20:22.29GNUtoo|laptop@    WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!     @
20:22.43PuffTheMagicya hold on
20:22.48PuffTheMagici need to tweak my firewall
20:22.52GNUtoo|laptopok
20:23.01halfhalofirewall shmirewall
20:23.17halfhaloREAL men hunt down and murder unauthorized connections
20:24.35halfhalo"oh, so you think you can connect to me, eh ping?  kill -9! kill -9!"
20:24.53GNUtoo|laptophalfhalo, you played too much with tcpkill
20:25.17halfhaloor not enough
20:25.35GNUtoo|laptopdidn't even use it once
20:26.17GNUtoo|laptophas only 30min
20:26.22PuffTheMagicok
20:26.25PuffTheMagictry ssh
20:26.29PuffTheMagicon port 6000
20:26.46GNUtoo|laptopssh: connect to host bip.ryanhope.us port 6000: Connection refused
20:27.49PuffTheMagicahh
20:28.24PuffTheMagicssh default is 21 right?
20:28.29GNUtoo|laptop22
20:28.32GNUtoo|laptop21 is ftp
20:28.36PuffTheMagicoops
20:28.37PuffTheMagic;)
20:28.47GNUtoo|laptopyou have puffy in your name
20:28.52GNUtoo|laptopyou should know that then
20:28.58GNUtoo|laptop:)
20:29.20GNUtoo|laptopok I'm in
20:29.54GNUtoo|laptopdoes it run the same installed kenrel than before?
20:30.04PuffTheMagicyeah
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20:30.10GNUtoo|laptopok thanks
20:33.01PuffTheMagicGNUtoo|laptop, im not sure why u cant access this rightnow
20:33.08PuffTheMagici switched from dmz to port forwarding
20:33.09GNUtoo|laptopit works now
20:33.11PuffTheMagicoh it does?
20:33.13GNUtoo|laptopI'm in
20:33.16GNUtoo|laptopI told you
20:33.20GNUtoo|laptopGNUtoo|laptop> ok I'm in
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20:33.29PuffTheMagici must have been of line and missed it
20:33.31GNUtoo|laptopread up
20:34.55PuffTheMagicmy bip was disconnected
20:35.02PuffTheMagicwhen my router reset
20:35.04PuffTheMagicso i didnt get that
20:35.27GNUtoo|laptopwhat is bsl0
20:35.33GNUtoo|laptopok
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20:39.46PuffTheMagicbluetooth interface
20:41.22GNUtoo|laptopok
20:43.48GNUtoo|laptopPuffTheMagic, what are the firmwares names?
20:43.54GNUtoo|laptopfor sd8686
20:44.18GNUtoo|laptopI point to the path?
20:44.22GNUtoo|laptopI'll try
20:44.46PuffTheMagicGNUtoo|laptop, idk what you did with the default firmwares
20:44.53PuffTheMagicso i cant tell u what they were named
20:45.02GNUtoo|laptopI know the names of the files
20:45.13GNUtoo|laptopbut I don't know how sd8686 works
20:45.23GNUtoo|laptopnor how the palm one work
20:46.33GNUtoo|laptopok
20:46.40GNUtoo|laptopI get how to load the firmwares
20:46.49GNUtoo|laptopas you saw it crashed
20:47.05PuffTheMagicis not looking at the phone
20:47.30GNUtoo|laptopok
20:47.32GNUtoo|laptopI wonder
20:47.47GNUtoo|laptophow to run iwpriv
20:47.53GNUtoo|laptopif it crash before
20:48.17GNUtoo|laptophmmm
20:48.22GNUtoo|laptopare you near the phone?
20:48.44PuffTheMagicyeah
20:48.53GNUtoo|laptopit doesn't come back
20:49.21PuffTheMagicpopped the battery
20:49.22PuffTheMagicbooting now
20:49.25GNUtoo|laptopok thanks
20:52.58GNUtoo|laptopI think I'm doing something wrong
20:53.05GNUtoo|laptopmaybe activating the wrong devices
20:54.37GNUtoo|laptop<PROTECTED>
20:54.39GNUtoo|laptopshould be ok
20:54.41GNUtoo|laptopbut the rest?
20:55.54PuffTheMagicrest what?
20:56.05GNUtoo|laptop<PROTECTED>
20:56.05GNUtoo|laptop<PROTECTED>
20:56.15GNUtoo|laptopthe echo 1 > /sys/user_hw/pins/wifi/reset/level should be wifi
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21:04.59tmzt_GNUtoo|laptop: is that to replace the /debugfs support or is it palm specific, I mean is it a standard
21:05.14GNUtoo|laptopI'm not sure
21:05.25GNUtoo|laptopbut for some devices it is made via debugfs indeed
21:07.35tmzt_okay, it be nice to have a standard method, and rfkill is completely wrong (that should only kill rftx)
21:07.54GNUtoo|laptoptmzt_, there is some method
21:08.07GNUtoo|laptopsee wl1271 discussions on linux-wireless mailing list
21:08.10GNUtoo|laptopthat is the way to go
21:08.14tmzt_ok
21:08.16GNUtoo|laptopI didn't follow them tough
21:08.29tmzt_then we should adopt that over the dbgfs on the #htc-linux side, thanks
21:08.37GNUtoo|laptopindeed
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21:20.24GNUtoo|laptophmmm powersave is not enabled by defualt so it can't be that
21:20.38GNUtoo|laptopbecause  the option it's not there is 2.6.24
21:25.12GNUtoo|laptopPuffTheMagic, look at that:
21:25.12GNUtoo|laptophttp://pastebin.com/QB18FhR3
21:25.14GNUtoo|laptopstrange
21:25.25GNUtoo|laptop[  412.420000] kobject bsl0: registering. parent: net, set: devices
21:25.25GNUtoo|laptop[  412.420000] kobject_uevent_env
21:25.26GNUtoo|laptop[  412.420000] fill_kobj_path: path = '/class/net/bsl0'
21:25.35GNUtoo|laptopthat is with sirloin_wifi
21:25.47GNUtoo|laptopI load it and I get that
21:25.48GNUtoo|laptopstrnage
21:25.54GNUtoo|laptopbsl0 is bluetooth
21:30.06PuffTheMagicso then the mmc slots are backwards or something
21:32.24GNUtoo|laptopI don't know
21:32.25GNUtoo|laptopyet
21:32.38GNUtoo|laptopbut I don't think it has to do with mmc directly
21:32.48GNUtoo|laptopI've no idea on how this is wired
21:32.52GNUtoo|laptopbut often
21:33.13GNUtoo|laptopbluetooth and wifi are somewhat linked
21:33.14GNUtoo|laptopbut
21:33.27GNUtoo|laptopif by backward you mean swapped
21:33.30GNUtoo|laptopit's impossible
21:33.33GNUtoo|laptopas microsd works
21:33.53GNUtoo|laptops/microsd/nand-as-microsd
21:33.57tmzt_what's the issue?
21:34.05GNUtoo|laptoptmzt_, we want wifi
21:34.12tmzt_on pre?
21:34.15GNUtoo|laptopyes
21:34.22tmzt_why can't you use bluez for bt?
21:34.50GNUtoo|laptopthe wifi module from  palm is an illegal proprietary wifi driver which used GPL exported stuff in the first versions of it
21:34.53GNUtoo|laptopbut
21:34.56tmzt_linked by gpio if it's interop
21:35.03tmzt_what chip is it?
21:35.07GNUtoo|laptoplibertas_sdio
21:35.12GNUtoo|laptopthere is a gpio interupt thing
21:35.16tmzt_oh right
21:35.22GNUtoo|laptopI've saw that in /proc/interrupts
21:35.35tmzt_no, i mean between bt and wifi chip
21:35.44GNUtoo|laptopbut all waht I am able to make is to crash the palm-pre and to activate the second sdio port
21:35.48GNUtoo|laptopI don't know
21:35.48tmzt_how is bsl related to the issue
21:35.52GNUtoo|laptopwe don't have schematics
21:35.57GNUtoo|laptopit comes up when I do that:
21:36.32GNUtoo|laptopboard_wl_vcc_enable(1);
21:36.39GNUtoo|laptopboard_wl_rf_vcc_enable(1);
21:36.48GNUtoo|laptopboard_rescan_wifi_slot();
21:38.03tmzt_are you saying that then activates bluetooth as well?
21:38.07tmzt_but wifi doesn't work
21:39.32GNUtoo|laptopyes
21:39.34GNUtoo|laptopthat's it
21:39.41GNUtoo|laptopit activates bluetooth somehow
21:39.50GNUtoo|laptopbut wifi doesn't come up
21:40.00GNUtoo|laptopaltough threre is a lot of sdio traffic on mmc1
21:41.01tmzt_it can't be bad mmc, it has to be bad gpio/vreg
21:41.06tmzt_or wifi and bt are connected
21:41.17tmzt_it doesn't show up on the mmc bus?
21:41.27tmzt_can you try unloading the wifi driver
21:41.30GNUtoo|laptopa lot of trafic
21:41.32tmzt_and toggle it
21:41.34GNUtoo|laptopshows up on mmc
21:41.37GNUtoo|laptopok
21:43.51GNUtoo|laptopstill doesn't come up
21:46.11GNUtoo|laptop[ 1728.620000] SDIO: IRQ for mmc1:0001:1 already in use.
21:46.27GNUtoo|laptopI'll reboot
21:46.38tmzt_that's the bus or not?
21:47.11tmzt_steal embeddedsdio from #htc-linux kernel
21:47.16tmzt_:)
21:50.42GNUtoo|laptopwhat's that?
21:50.48GNUtoo|laptopthe one from the kernel?
21:50.59GNUtoo|laptopthe CONFIG_EMBEDDED_SDIO?
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21:59.14GNUtoo|laptoptmzt_,
21:59.28tmzt_yeah
21:59.35GNUtoo|laptophttp://pastebin.com/EfhXDG2m
21:59.39tmzt_and our arch/arm/mach-msm/mmc.c
21:59.46tmzt_can't follow links right now
22:00.06tmzt_maybe in a minute, hold on
22:00.18GNUtoo|laptopI'll try something
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22:03.13GNUtoo|laptophttp://pastebin.com/wayyR5TH
22:05.39GNUtoo|laptopwith rmmod+modprobe after: http://pastebin.com/Nzp6c7pt
22:06.22GNUtoo|laptopthere is an enourmous lag
22:11.49GNUtoo|laptopI really must go to sleep
22:16.49PuffTheMagiclater
22:18.12GNUtoo|laptopok bye
22:26.35cryptk|workwebos-internals.org is now mobile friendly!
22:26.55halfhalothat thing is live?
22:28.28PuffTheMagiccant resolv host
22:28.43PuffTheMagicoops
22:28.46PuffTheMagicwrong phgone
22:29.31halfhalolol
22:30.20halfhalohey, that thing does work!
22:31.21PuffTheMagicsince when did wirc make featured article
22:31.38PuffTheMagicdef need to change the applications template
22:31.56cryptk|workyeah
22:32.00cryptk|workI can handle all of that in the code
22:32.01PuffTheMagicand the top logo is wonky looking
22:32.09PuffTheMagicgood start though
22:32.44cryptk|workyeah, I just threw our small logo in there, needs to be smallre though
22:40.22cryptk|workPuffTheMagic: I shrank the logo some more
22:40.39halfhaloyay screen scraping!
22:42.16cryptk|workok, I am done for the day
22:42.25cryptk|worklater all, I have real life stuff to do
22:42.32halfhalosee ya
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23:53.10scoutcamper1is confused, he is not online anywhere else
23:53.23scoutcamper1this is scoutcamper fyi
23:53.52scoutcamperis a winner
23:54.02scoutcamperjust found his missing irc window ...
23:54.13SineOtlol...
23:54.55summatusmentiswait wait, scoutcamper1 is the same person as scoutcamper? >.>
23:55.28scoutcamperyes
23:55.38scoutcamperit was even the same pc, i was a winner
23:55.47scoutcamperi was confused by my irc
23:57.23summatusmentishah, I gathered, my point was you had almost the identical nick, but felt the need to clarify who you were

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