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01:04.08 | RWings19 | anyone got time to help me with a seriously bricked Pre? (Yes, I've read/tried it all.) |
01:04.50 | rwhitby | RWings19: I've seen the backlog about your Pre. |
01:05.01 | RWings19 | rod, it's an honor to hear from you personally. |
01:05.07 | rwhitby | you can get into recovery mode, right? |
01:05.11 | RWings19 | Yes , I can. |
01:05.18 | RWings19 | and bootie |
01:05.21 | rwhitby | do you have meta-doctor set up |
01:05.38 | RWings19 | I tried under ubuntu - but it kept giving me errors during the 'make' stage |
01:05.52 | RWings19 | I might have to re-do that using a separate virtualbox setup |
01:05.54 | rwhitby | do you have an unpacked doctor? |
01:06.06 | rwhitby | (all you need is the .uImage file) |
01:06.07 | RWings19 | meaning... can I extract from the .jar? |
01:06.27 | rwhitby | there's an unpack-doctor script in meta-doctor/scripts/ |
01:07.13 | rwhitby | RWings19: I'm assuming from reading the backlog that you have reasonable linux command line skills, correct? |
01:07.29 | RWings19 | well, I did already try 'novacom boot mem:// < uImage...joplin-3430' and that did NOT do the trick |
01:07.40 | RWings19 | yes, reasonable skills |
01:08.09 | rwhitby | this is a Pre, right? |
01:08.15 | RWings19 | yes - sprint Pre |
01:08.19 | rwhitby | you need nova-installer-image-castle.uImage |
01:08.28 | RWings19 | good to know :) |
01:08.37 | rwhitby | which is in the webOS.tar file in the unpacked doctor |
01:08.47 | RWings19 | sounds like I have some work to do |
01:08.52 | rwhitby | (in the webOS subdir if you use the unpack script) |
01:09.10 | rwhitby | once you memboot that image, you can then novaterm into the device |
01:09.27 | Loudergood | 7zip works great for cracking open jar files |
01:09.36 | RWings19 | I've got 7-zip |
01:09.59 | rwhitby | you can then use the commands from the meta-doctor makefile to start the LVM and mount the flash filesystems, and you can take a clone of the filesystems at that point for safety |
01:10.11 | rwhitby | then you can make manual edits as required to get it booting again |
01:11.02 | RWings19 | rod - sorry, you're starting to get a bit over my head |
01:11.24 | RWings19 | is there a step-by-step wiki that walks through setting up the LVM, etc? |
01:11.31 | rwhitby | open the meta-doctor Makefile and you will see the commands in there |
01:12.13 | RWings19 | OK, I was able to extract the uImage file with 7-zip |
01:12.30 | rwhitby | search for "backup:" "mount:", "memload:" etc in the Makefile to see the novacom commands you need to type |
01:13.10 | rwhitby | "make backup" should just work once you have the installer uImage booted |
01:13.43 | RWings19 | OK, going to try to mem-boot the uImage right now |
01:15.11 | rwhitby | BTW, this process is on the recovery wiki page, in the last-resort section |
01:15.32 | RWings19 | OK, I am into the device! |
01:16.08 | RWings19 | got the 'root@palm-webos-device:/#' prompt |
01:17.47 | rwhitby | ok, do a "make backup" in the meta-doctor now |
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01:19.17 | RWings19 | shoot, I don't have the meta-doctor set up right now. |
01:19.28 | RWings19 | I am accessing the device through WinXP's cmd |
01:19.37 | RWings19 | I did both lvm lines |
01:19.57 | RWings19 | 6 logical volumes now active! |
01:21.38 | RWings19 | just issued the 'for N' command |
01:21.41 | RWings19 | looks successful |
01:22.24 | RWings19 | ls shows me plenty of files |
01:22.49 | rwhitby | so the problem was you were just using the wrong .uImage file |
01:23.13 | RWings19 | right - but now that I have access to these files (from within Windows) how can I copy the files to my Windows volume? |
01:23.31 | rwhitby | look at the backup command in the Makefiel |
01:24.20 | rwhitby | basically you stream a tar file back over novacom |
01:24.28 | RWings19 | hmm... |
01:24.34 | RWings19 | OK, I'll try to figure that out |
01:25.00 | RWings19 | what command(s) do I need to do to get the Pre out of its reboot loop at this point? |
01:25.24 | RWings19 | should the 'umount -a; tellbootie reboot' do it? |
01:25.49 | rwhitby | yep |
01:26.11 | rwhitby | well, that will just reboot it - you haven't changed anything on the device yet |
01:26.18 | RWings19 | OK - I have not been able to figure out the backup thing yet... since I don't have the ubuntu image running right now |
01:26.22 | rwhitby | so if you really do have a reboot loop, you still need to fix that |
01:26.40 | rwhitby | what kernel were you running? |
01:26.45 | RWings19 | Uber |
01:26.57 | RWings19 | but it was one of the bleeding edge ones... not sure which version |
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01:27.03 | RWings19 | it was after 1GHz was merged to stable |
01:27.34 | RWings19 | I have no idea whether I still have a reboot loop or not - since I have not tried to reboot the device since getting into it. |
01:28.00 | rwhitby | memboot doesn't change the flash, so any problem will still be there |
01:28.17 | rwhitby | you've tried booting while plugged into the wall charger, right? |
01:28.31 | RWings19 | yes sir |
01:28.51 | RWings19 | no change |
01:29.21 | RWings19 | i've tried webOS Doctor over and over; it always disconnects at 4% or 8% |
01:29.44 | rwhitby | that's usually the fault of the host machine not being able to reconnect the USB |
01:30.26 | RWings19 | OK - but that happened on three different PCs |
01:32.16 | rwhitby | once you get your data off and verify that you have it, you could then dd zero the filesystem partitions to clear them. that should fix any doctor problems |
01:32.43 | RWings19 | still trying to find where it is.... |
01:32.59 | RWings19 | and how to copy it off without having to use a virtual ubuntu image, if possible |
01:33.57 | rwhitby | dunno, haven't used windows in over a year now |
01:34.32 | summatusmentis | I don't believe windows has that capacity by default |
01:35.29 | RWings19 | ok |
01:36.12 | summatusmentis | although i don't really use windows either |
01:36.24 | rwhitby | novacom should work fine on windows - you should be able to output it to a file |
01:37.02 | RWings19 | where are the images (photos, etc.) stored in the palm's linux filesystem? |
01:37.19 | chrisA | <PROTECTED> |
01:37.46 | RWings19 | crap... |
01:37.54 | RWings19 | when I do ls there, I see nothing |
01:38.30 | Loudergood | might not be mounted there? |
01:39.23 | rwhitby | it'll be mounted wherever you mounted the store partition |
01:39.29 | rwhitby | bbl |
01:40.12 | RWings19 | all I did was follow the commands on the Last Resort page |
01:40.22 | RWings19 | so I didn't pick any specific locations for mounting |
01:42.34 | RWings19 | sorry if I sound noobish |
01:42.39 | RWings19 | I am doing the best I can here |
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01:51.14 | Loudergood | hmm...I need to do this on my pre...of course it has a different dhclient-script so this should be fun.. |
01:51.16 | Loudergood | http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3773287&postcount=6 |
01:52.52 | RWings19 | OK, I found the mounted locations, and confirm that my files are still there |
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01:53.05 | RWings19 | I just need to figure out how to get them off there and onto my PC |
01:54.39 | RWings19 | or... how to break the infinite reboot loop! |
01:56.03 | Loudergood | there we are....line 144 looks like a promising candidate |
01:56.36 | RWings19 | I'm all ears |
01:59.21 | Loudergood | unfortunately I have more linux knowledge than pre knowledge...so you might have to wait for rwhitby to get back |
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02:00.35 | Vince42 | What should I do, if Emergency Patch Recovery hangs? |
02:00.37 | RWings19 | I think if I can figure out how to get novaterm running and copy files over that, I'll be OK |
02:01.24 | Loudergood | if you can get novaterm running, look at nova-browser in the pdk |
02:02.19 | Loudergood | Vince42, go see the doctor? |
02:02.22 | RWings19 | well, I am in the Pre |
02:02.26 | RWings19 | Pre's filesystem |
02:02.37 | Vince42 | Loudergood: I wanted to avoid that :) |
02:03.31 | Loudergood | nova-browser lets you upload and download files from the device |
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02:04.10 | RWings19 | i see the nova-browser.bat file but when I clicked it it seemed to self-terminate |
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02:05.24 | RWings19 | this is maddening |
02:05.37 | Loudergood | try running it from command line |
02:06.19 | Loudergood | actually it seems there is a jar for it |
02:06.26 | Loudergood | DeviceBrowser.jar |
02:07.24 | Loudergood | under share/jars/ in the pdk |
02:07.41 | RWings19 | yeah but it's not talking with the Pre for some reason |
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02:08.30 | Loudergood | but novaterm is working? |
02:08.47 | Loudergood | I wonder if it wont let them both work at the same time |
02:08.53 | Loudergood | let me check here. |
02:09.00 | RWings19 | holy crap, I think the jar is working |
02:09.11 | Loudergood | ^5 |
02:10.59 | Loudergood | alright, I'm going to bed. Good luck. |
02:12.11 | RWings19 | thanks... looks like I will be able to save the files! |
02:12.30 | RWings19 | If only I can clear the reboot loop, then I will be all set. thanks for all your help. |
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02:15.41 | scoutcamper | wants a mansion |
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02:17.12 | scoutcamper | or a palm pad |
02:17.17 | scoutcamper | wichever is first :D |
02:17.45 | RWings19 | anyone have any idea how to clear the infinite reboot loop? |
02:17.52 | summatusmentis | RWings19: I do not |
02:18.15 | summatusmentis | scoutcamper: I'm trying to decide whether or not I want to use my contract renewal on a pre or not |
02:18.39 | scoutcamper | RWings19, on a pre??? |
02:19.27 | RWings19 | yes, on a Pre |
02:19.30 | scoutcamper | summatusmentis, id wait till end of october, if there is nothing new by then, then you didnt waste anything really, but if the tuv is right, then something is comming october |
02:19.41 | RWings19 | already tried WebOS Doctor, plugged in to wall charger, etc. |
02:19.45 | SineOt | summatusmentis: I think we talked about it already, but there's just too much cool stuff coming out soon to waste an upgrade on it now |
02:20.10 | scoutcamper | RWings19, get it into recovery mode(pull bat, put back in, hold volume up while turning on, then doctor |
02:20.19 | summatusmentis | scoutcamper: the TUV didn't mention a date at all |
02:20.24 | RWings19 | scout, tried that, no luck |
02:20.29 | summatusmentis | SineOt: did we? sorry, not to be annoying |
02:20.37 | RWings19 | gets to 4%, loses connection, fails |
02:20.51 | scoutcamper | RWings19, take it back to wherever you got it |
02:20.58 | SineOt | I don't remember, I just remember saying to someone to wait until like, November |
02:21.09 | RWings19 | sprint repair center tried it too... they couldn't fix it |
02:21.11 | SineOt | since even with Sprint Premier you're still going to be stuck with it for a year |
02:21.13 | scoutcamper | summatusmentis, im thinking along the lines of the gsm pre plus |
02:21.30 | scoutcamper | RWings19, call palm |
02:21.42 | scoutcamper | RWings19, did you overclock? |
02:21.46 | SineOt | and with new hardware, or at the least a new 2.0 on the horizon (and 2.0 is probably coming with new hardware...) |
02:21.49 | summatusmentis | scoutcamper: hrm, the issue is there's always a "wait another month" feeling, you know? |
02:21.56 | RWings19 | yeah, but i had been overclocked for months before this happened |
02:22.02 | summatusmentis | although, this new Mansion thing indicates that there's no keyboard :( |
02:22.06 | summatusmentis | keyboard is important |
02:22.24 | SineOt | summatusmentis, out of curiosity, what virtual keyboards have you used? |
02:22.33 | summatusmentis | apple, and android |
02:22.36 | scoutcamper | hopes for swype |
02:22.46 | summatusmentis | on android, it was on a resistive screen |
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02:23.21 | SineOt | gross |
02:23.31 | SineOt | resistive anything with a virtual keyboard would be disgusting |
02:23.31 | summatusmentis | indeed |
02:23.43 | summatusmentis | it actually works ok, but I dislike it |
02:23.53 | summatusmentis | but I don't like the iphone vkb either |
02:24.01 | SineOt | which iphone did you use it on? |
02:24.02 | scoutcamper | grafiti might be ok ... |
02:24.05 | summatusmentis | (or, technically iPod Touch) |
02:24.10 | summatusmentis | SineOt: 1G iPod Touch |
02:24.19 | scoutcamper | SineOt, Iphone VKB on 3gs SUCKS! |
02:24.27 | SineOt | it's a lot better on the Retina Display equipped ones, I think |
02:24.39 | summatusmentis | how so? |
02:24.48 | halfhalo | I prefer my ipod |
02:25.01 | halfhalo | AKA zune |
02:25.05 | summatusmentis | I just like hardware keyboards |
02:25.12 | summatusmentis | if they're good |
02:25.16 | scoutcamper | prefers his roll up usb keyboard |
02:25.19 | scoutcamper | :D |
02:25.22 | summatusmentis | I liked my centro keyboard |
02:25.30 | scoutcamper | centro was good, so is pixi |
02:25.42 | summatusmentis | I think I'd like pixi or pre keyboards |
02:25.54 | summatusmentis | I'm skeptica that I'd like a touchscreen one |
02:26.41 | scoutcamper | pre keyboard is a pain to take apart or put back together, i know, i had to repair my keyboard today(the "o" key stuck D: ) |
02:27.20 | summatusmentis | I don't really take phones apart |
02:27.50 | SineOt | just seems better spaced |
02:27.55 | scoutcamper | does and the pre is a pain to take apart and put back together |
02:28.04 | SineOt | you know the one thing I'd be -really- interested in seeing would be a landscape slider |
02:28.11 | SineOt | I think it'd be an interesting webOS formfactor |
02:28.14 | summatusmentis | palm has never done landscape keyboards |
02:28.24 | summatusmentis | I'd be curious to see how theirs would work |
02:28.56 | scoutcamper | thinks palm will never do landscape except witha vkb |
02:29.01 | SineOt | webOS/mojo already pretty much seamlessly can translate between landscape and portrait, so that's out of the way |
02:30.02 | summatusmentis | I'm intrigued that palm might make a vkb, but I'd have to try it before I'd be ok using it, I think |
02:30.20 | scoutcamper | true |
02:30.39 | summatusmentis | I just really like Palm's hardware kbs |
02:31.03 | scoutcamper | centro was great, i like the pixi wehn new, it sound like popcorn! |
02:32.06 | scoutcamper | (when using keyboard) |
02:32.08 | scoutcamper | :D |
02:33.18 | summatusmentis | I can't afford a used pixi right now :) |
02:33.49 | scoutcamper | is your pre borked? |
02:34.16 | summatusmentis | I've never owned a webos device |
02:34.39 | scoutcamper | is sorry .. |
02:35.01 | scoutcamper | thinks wait a month, that tuv gives me hope |
02:35.01 | halfhalo | I own two. used to have a third, but lost it |
02:36.52 | summatusmentis | scoutcamper: I kept SERO instead of switching to a WebOS compatible plan |
02:37.03 | summatusmentis | now SERO has an addon that lets me get WebOS hardware :) |
02:37.28 | summatusmentis | halfhalo: why two? |
02:37.35 | summatusmentis | backup? |
02:37.48 | halfhalo | One was a sprint pre, the other was a devdays pre plus |
02:37.53 | summatusmentis | ah |
02:38.29 | summatusmentis | ah |
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02:38.38 | summatusmentis | err, didn't mean to send that twice |
02:38.46 | halfhalo | suuuure you didn't |
02:38.51 | summatusmentis | *snrk* |
02:39.23 | SineOt | honestly, after using both the pre plus and pixi keyboards... the pixi one is a hell of a lot nicer :p |
02:39.27 | summatusmentis | halfhalo: so you've got a comm-swapped pre+ I assume? |
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02:43.26 | scoutcamper | thinks the next palm device should be palm post |
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03:07.56 | RWings19 | just checking - anyone know how to get a Pre out of an infinite reboot loop when Recovery Mode/Doctor doesn't do it? |
03:09.01 | rwhitby | RWings19: you'll need to work out what is causing the loop. |
03:09.17 | RWings19 | any idea how to do that, rod? |
03:09.20 | rwhitby | RWings19: first guess would be something in /etc/event.d/ |
03:09.31 | rwhitby | second guess is the kernel |
03:09.40 | rwhitby | have you got all your data off it - that's the first priority |
03:09.47 | RWings19 | working on that now |
03:10.00 | RWings19 | it's slow going, have to copy the files one by one |
03:10.03 | scoutcamper | can you novaterm in? |
03:10.13 | RWings19 | got the pictures, need to work on the saverestore directory |
03:10.23 | RWings19 | I can novaterm in |
03:10.31 | halfhalo | Zip the entire thing and move it over at once? |
03:10.38 | RWings19 | been using the Device Browser .jar |
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03:11.26 | rwhitby | RWings19: use the commands in Makefile to tar up on the device and stream it over |
03:11.38 | RWings19 | halfhalo, that's a decent idea - should everything I need be contained in /media/internal? |
03:12.18 | RWings19 | just have to hope I have enough room on the device to .tar everything |
03:12.33 | halfhalo | shrugs. Never actually backed anything up off the pre, everything is synced to the clouds and then rained down on my pc |
03:12.57 | RWings19 | halfhalo: pictures are not backed up to the cloud, I don't think, |
03:13.01 | rwhitby | novacom -w run file://bin/tar -- -C /tmp/media/ --totals -cf - . > media.tar |
03:13.09 | RWings19 | so i had to get those, which I did |
03:13.20 | rwhitby | (assuming your media partition is mounted at /tmp/media) |
03:13.28 | halfhalo | has that folder synced with other stuff |
03:13.47 | RWings19 | it's in /mnt/media |
03:16.44 | RWings19 | hmm, the .tar file is only 595 bytes. That doesn't seem right |
03:16.54 | rwhitby | nope |
03:16.56 | halfhalo | Or its got amazing compresson |
03:17.02 | halfhalo | compression* |
03:17.13 | RWings19 | I typed the line exactly as you specified, except I used /mnt/media/ |
03:17.49 | rwhitby | weird - that command works on Linux and Mac-OSX |
03:18.13 | RWings19 | I do that from within the Pre, right? Once I am at the root@palm prompt? |
03:18.29 | rwhitby | no, you do that from the host |
03:18.43 | rwhitby | novacom causes a command to run on the Pre |
03:18.59 | rwhitby | e.g. novacom run file://bin/ls |
03:19.08 | RWings19 | ok, will try again |
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03:20.45 | RWings19 | it's running... |
03:20.51 | RWings19 | Rod, you're a genius |
03:21.17 | RWings19 | should I look at etc/event.d to see what's contained in there? |
03:21.33 | rwhitby | yep |
03:23.03 | RWings19 | just three files |
03:23.09 | RWings19 | novacomd |
03:23.20 | RWings19 | runlevel-H-handler, runlevel-U-handler |
03:23.27 | rwhitby | oh, the mounted version of etc/event.d |
03:23.37 | rwhitby | maybe /mnt/root/etc/event.d or something |
03:25.39 | RWings19 | ok, plenty to see there |
03:26.09 | rwhitby | look for a govnah or compcache file |
03:27.35 | RWings19 | don't see either one of those there |
03:28.09 | RWings19 | BTW, can't thank you enough for your patience and assistance |
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03:30.37 | RWings19 | so if I can't find compcache or govnah, what else should I check? |
03:31.25 | rwhitby | at that point you will want to revert the kernel |
03:31.48 | rwhitby | you'll need to unpack the files from /boot and /lib/modules from the doctor, and transfer them across to the Pre |
03:32.21 | RWings19 | OK |
03:34.55 | RWings19 | to the same directories on the pre? replace everything that is currently there? |
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03:39.10 | RWings19 | just trying to find where those files are in the doctor archive |
03:39.23 | RWings19 | think I've got 'em |
03:42.47 | RWings19 | in the archive, in /boot , there are 5 files... on my pre in /boot there are only three |
03:43.32 | RWings19 | the ones that are missing are system.map-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 and config-2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 |
03:45.23 | RWings19 | could that be what is making the difference? |
03:45.27 | halfhalo | Microsoft has once again let me down... |
03:45.49 | scoutcamper | halfhalo, why now? |
03:45.59 | halfhalo | new technet changes |
03:47.00 | halfhalo | Instead of 1 level with 10 keys per item, theres now two levels with either 2 keys or 5 keys |
03:48.13 | halfhalo | I can understand the new tiers... but they didn't announce it to anything, they just changed it |
03:48.18 | halfhalo | Including existing accounts |
03:53.31 | rwhitby | RWings19: again, make sure you are looking in the mounted boot area |
03:53.41 | RWings19 | right |
03:54.10 | rwhitby | use webos.pastebin.com to paste the contents of /mnt/boot (or wherever) |
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03:55.17 | RWings19 | if I look in /mnt I do not see boot |
03:56.42 | RWings19 | I have card, cf, log, media, net, ram, root, update, and var |
03:56.53 | RWings19 | card, cf, net, and ram are symlinks |
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04:00.50 | rwhitby | maybe it's not mounted |
04:01.05 | RWings19 | could that be part of the problem? |
04:01.26 | rwhitby | ah, the meta-doctor doesn't bother mounting that |
04:01.50 | rwhitby | run "mkdir /mnt/boot ; mount /dev/mapper/store-boot /mnt/boot" |
04:02.01 | rwhitby | run "mkdir /mnt/boot ; mount /dev/mapper/store-boot /mnt/boot -o ro" |
04:02.10 | RWings19 | the second one? |
04:02.30 | rwhitby | second for read-only, first for writeable |
04:02.48 | RWings19 | i probably need writeable |
04:03.11 | rwhitby | ah, boot is different |
04:03.29 | RWings19 | well, i have not issued any commands yet |
04:03.57 | rwhitby | try "mkdir /mnt/boot ; mount /dev/mmcblk0p3 /mnt/boot" |
04:04.28 | rwhitby | the /boot partition is not part of the LVM |
04:05.13 | RWings19 | failed: device or resource busy |
04:05.42 | rwhitby | pastebin the output from "cat /proc/mounts" and "cat /proc/partitions" |
04:06.27 | rwhitby | it might be mmcblk0p2 |
04:07.24 | RWings19 | ugh... the novacom command to export to media.tar keeps self-disconnecting!! |
04:10.40 | RWings19 | just posted to pastebin |
04:24.31 | RWings19 | OK looks like 0p2 is it - just amended the pastebin with the file listing from /mnt/boot |
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04:27.26 | RWings19 | rwhitby, what next? |
04:29.59 | rwhitby | RWings19: I didn't see the pastebins, or confirmation of /boot mounting |
04:30.20 | RWings19 | boot mounted... it was 0p2 |
04:30.47 | RWings19 | i haven't done anything since then |
04:31.00 | rwhitby | ok, so you need to copy the kernel from the recovery ipk or doctor into there |
04:31.04 | rwhitby | in /boot and /lib/modules |
04:31.17 | rwhitby | *very* *carefully* |
04:31.18 | RWings19 | http://webos.pastebin.com/yaEiy9q7 |
04:32.00 | rwhitby | Hmm - you have a chuck (Pixi) kernel in your /boot |
04:32.25 | rwhitby | that would explain it. |
04:32.35 | rwhitby | what tool did you use to install your kernel? |
04:32.51 | RWings19 | all I have used is Preware / Govnah / Uberkernel |
04:33.14 | rwhitby | I can't see how you got a Pixi kernel on there then |
04:33.14 | RWings19 | weird thing is that one minute, the phone was working fine. the next, it had started its reboot loop. |
04:33.21 | RWings19 | yeah me either |
04:33.36 | RWings19 | if I rm those chuck files, might that make a difference? |
04:33.42 | rwhitby | "ls -l /mnt/boot" please |
04:34.45 | RWings19 | http://webos.pastebin.com/bD2FBUF1 |
04:34.59 | RWings19 | include the output of ls -l /mnt/boot |
04:35.23 | rwhitby | uImage symlink is still pointing to the right place |
04:35.27 | RWings19 | righ |
04:35.28 | RWings19 | right |
04:35.43 | rwhitby | ls -l /mnt/root/lib/modules/ |
04:36.35 | RWings19 | two dirs, one chuck and one joplin |
04:37.07 | RWings19 | Jul12 date on chuck, Sep17 date on joplin |
04:37.55 | RWings19 | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4096 Jul 12 2010 2.6.24-palm-chuck |
04:37.57 | RWings19 | drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 4096 Sep 17 2010 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 |
04:38.05 | rwhitby | remove all the chuck stuff - that's for a pixi |
04:38.27 | rwhitby | compare all the joplin stuff against the kernel and modules out of the doctor or the palm recovery ipkg |
04:38.30 | SineOt | why would the chuck have such an old time stamp on it? |
04:39.25 | rwhitby | pixi kernel hasn't changed a lot |
04:39.43 | RWings19 | what is the switch to force rmdir to work when it's not empty? i can't remember |
04:40.46 | SineOt | wouldn't that place it almost a month+ older than release date? |
04:40.53 | SineOt | assuming stock 1.4.5 |
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04:41.50 | rwhitby | build date for Pixi 1.4.5 is 20100614133409 |
04:42.07 | SineOt | they sat on that thing for a long time |
04:42.36 | SineOt | what's the build date for Pre 1.4.5? |
04:42.37 | rwhitby | yep, thank your carriers for that |
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04:42.56 | rwhitby | they are all on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
04:43.25 | rwhitby | (date column in the md5sums table) |
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04:43.55 | SineOt | they're all about 6/14, aside from ATT's |
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04:44.54 | RWings19 | interesting, difference in file size in the uImage files btwn what is on my Pre and what is in the Doctor |
04:45.35 | RWings19 | on my Pre: 2,353,404 in the Doctor archive: 2,345,880 |
04:46.10 | RWings19 | also slight diff in System.map files |
04:46.23 | RWings19 | and config files |
04:46.29 | RWings19 | significant?? |
04:48.05 | RWings19 | should I replace those three files in /mnt/boot? |
04:48.55 | RWings19 | the ones in the Doctor archive are dated Jun14, vs. Sep17 on my Pre |
04:50.28 | rwhitby | copy the ones from the doctor to your Pre |
04:50.38 | rwhitby | make sure the /lib/modules files match too |
04:50.59 | RWings19 | all of the subfiles in lib/modules? |
04:51.00 | rwhitby | you need a consistent set of kernel and modules, or you'll make things worse |
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04:57.14 | RWings19 | is there a quick way to copy directories from the host to the Pre through novacom? |
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05:02.01 | RWings19 | once i have everything copied, should I umount and try to reboot? |
05:02.36 | rwhitby | yep |
05:02.50 | rwhitby | the quick way for directories is to use tar |
05:04.09 | RWings19 | OK, I created the .tar file on the host |
05:04.57 | RWings19 | transferred it over |
05:05.46 | RWings19 | so now tar xvf filename.tar, right? |
05:08.20 | RWings19 | OK got it sent over... going to try to umount and see what happens |
05:09.53 | RWings19 | argh....... |
05:09.59 | RWings19 | no luck, same stupid reboot |
05:11.23 | RWings19 | this thing is really toast |
05:26.53 | rwhitby | you should be able to doctor it |
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05:28.41 | RWings19 | sorry, Rod, I just tried the Doctor and no luck |
05:28.55 | RWings19 | my last resort will be trying 1.0.3 |
05:28.59 | RWings19 | instead of 1.4.5 |
05:31.40 | rwhitby | try it from a linux or mac computer |
05:34.13 | RWings19 | OK... I'll see if I can get it to work on Linux |
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05:37.23 | rwhitby | native linux, not a virtual machine |
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06:13.38 | rwhitby | oil: govnah release seems to have been well recieved |
06:13.56 | oil | thats good |
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15:38.19 | GNUtoo|laptop | hi PuffTheMagic |
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16:03.20 | GNUtoo|laptop | ping PuffTheMagic |
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16:20.23 | GNUtoo|laptop | ping PuffTheMagic |
16:20.31 | GNUtoo|laptop | does it makes you magically appear? |
16:20.39 | GNUtoo|laptop | hmmm no |
16:20.42 | GNUtoo|laptop | didn't work |
16:21.58 | GNUtoo|laptop | maybe I need some magic formulas |
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16:39.18 | nn7 | My pal pre loses all my alarms when I reboot |
16:39.33 | nn7 | it doesn't lose them, it just changes them all to "alarm"+daily+5pm and turns them all off |
16:39.45 | nn7 | so I suddenly have 7 identical alarms and they're all off |
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16:49.16 | dtzWill | nn7: my favorite is when my pre reboots right when an alarm is supposed to go off, the code that runs the alarm is started up WAY early relative to giving me the UI, so i have to sit for the 3 minutes or so until I can finally disable the damn thing |
16:49.27 | dtzWill | happened to me a few times, notably this morning x.x |
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16:50.03 | nn7 | hahah |
16:50.18 | nn7 | I read somewhere someone recommending a different alarm app in the app catalog |
16:50.25 | dtzWill | conceivably i could adjust the volume? didn't try it was early and i was ..not pleased. |
16:50.35 | dtzWill | nn7: yeah the default is crap, although with patch to add day support and whatnot it's better |
16:50.47 | nn7 | I have that patch |
16:51.00 | nn7 | but I keep losing my alarms |
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16:51.58 | dtzWill | nn7: yeah, i have that too, but i regularly mess up my device's preferences deal making it act goofy...al the time. |
16:52.16 | dtzWill | stilly is lame though that you can't reliably count on the alarm, my fault for making phone flaky or no |
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17:36.38 | Mousey | hi internets! |
17:38.07 | Loudergood | damn, my dhclient-script edit didn't work. have to bring the laptop up to campus next time |
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18:19.09 | Loudergood | I wonder what would happen if I just dropped the linux dhclient-script in there...probably not good.. |
18:22.20 | Loudergood | interesting that there are references to redhat in the palm files |
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18:55.31 | PuffTheMagic | GNUtoo|laptop: pong |
18:56.00 | GNUtoo|laptop | PuffTheMagic, I'm busy with dream's wifi right now |
18:56.05 | GNUtoo|laptop | but I'll try as soon as I can |
18:56.07 | GNUtoo|laptop | maybe today |
18:56.14 | PuffTheMagic | just saying that im back in town |
18:56.19 | PuffTheMagic | so get at me when you are ready |
18:56.41 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok thanks a lot |
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19:42.15 | snang | sconix, you there homie? |
19:42.25 | sconix | yep |
19:42.45 | snang | Anybody mentioned a problem with the facebook chat spoof sounds with your new advanced config patch? |
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19:43.10 | snang | It seems to be ignoring the configuration, plays an entirely different sound, or no sound at all. |
19:43.26 | sconix | Yes I would guess it does |
19:43.59 | snang | It's configured as a normal messaging account, allows me to choose sound, vibration, and repeat options. |
19:44.00 | sconix | since it is a spoof I guess it configures the account as gtalk account and my patch is looking notification settings for facebook not gtalk |
19:44.15 | sconix | and that is causing the problem |
19:44.37 | snang | Even though the OS considers it a gtalk account? |
19:44.53 | sconix | yes the info that comes with the message is most likely telling that it is from facebook account |
19:45.30 | sconix | anyway there is problems with the other account than gtalk so its still possible that I actually got something wrong so when I get that fixed the fb thing might start to work too |
19:45.58 | snang | Right on, no worries, just didn't know if anybody had brought it up or not. |
19:46.11 | sconix | so I will look into this within next couple days, but it is possible that my patch cannot fix the fb spoof that it would need a separate patch |
19:46.36 | snang | Apart from that, the patch is great. Your work is much appreciated. |
19:48.01 | sconix | thanks, hopefully the next release has those couple bugs that were reported all fixed out then I can be happy about the patch myself too :) |
19:48.19 | sconix | -myself |
19:49.16 | snang | Your two patches rendered over 50 patches obsolete. That in itself is completely awesome. |
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19:50.01 | sconix | thats only side product specially for this latest patch, I just wanted more stuff that MS can control :) |
19:52.09 | snang | I also seem to be getting random vibrations. heh |
19:52.36 | sconix | they can't be totally random |
19:52.40 | sconix | something has to set them off |
19:53.11 | snang | I have no unread messages. |
19:53.22 | snang | I have the notification repeat set to 5 mins, that's about the interval. |
19:53.37 | sconix | then its that, is it a messaging account? |
19:53.52 | snang | It might be a problem with the fb spoof again, not sure. |
19:53.58 | snang | That's the last account I received a message through. |
19:54.53 | sconix | since I know that there is at least one more person having that problem |
19:55.14 | sconix | I just haven't been able to reproduce it or figure out the reason, but I will :) |
19:55.30 | snang | First time this has happened. |
19:55.33 | sconix | its most likely stupid typo somewhere that prevents the cancellation of the repeat task |
19:55.48 | snang | The joys of development. |
19:56.34 | sconix | can you describe the situation of the last mesasge received, I mean did you have msg app open or no and did it show the banner and how did you opened the message (from the banner or by opening msg app etc.) |
19:56.39 | sconix | this could help me to figure this one out |
19:57.40 | snang | It was just sitting idle on my desk, locked. The message came in, I didn't immediately open my phone and dismiss it. I think I cleared it after the first notification repeat. |
19:57.56 | snang | It just vibrated again, 3rd time. Will see if it stops, I have it set to a max repeat of 3. |
19:58.13 | sconix | at least for the another person with the problem the limit works just fine |
19:58.26 | sconix | so you dismissed the banned and did not open the messaging app from there ? |
19:58.43 | tmzt_ | anybody compare RIM tablet with webos yet? |
19:58.45 | snang | It was already opened to that persons message thread when I unlocked the phone. |
19:58.51 | snang | I didn't have a banner to swipe. |
19:58.52 | tmzt_ | as far as html applications go |
19:59.23 | sconix | of course that situation I might have missed actually |
19:59.36 | sconix | thanks will test and hopefully this is fixed in next release :) |
20:02.38 | sconix | as it turns out the case for the same for the another person so I definitely can fix this now |
20:03.02 | snang | Excellent. |
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20:21.40 | GNUtoo|laptop | PuffTheMagic, I'll ssh |
20:22.20 | GNUtoo|laptop | PuffTheMagic, but what's that |
20:22.29 | GNUtoo|laptop | @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ |
20:22.43 | PuffTheMagic | ya hold on |
20:22.48 | PuffTheMagic | i need to tweak my firewall |
20:22.52 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
20:23.01 | halfhalo | firewall shmirewall |
20:23.17 | halfhalo | REAL men hunt down and murder unauthorized connections |
20:24.35 | halfhalo | "oh, so you think you can connect to me, eh ping? kill -9! kill -9!" |
20:24.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | halfhalo, you played too much with tcpkill |
20:25.17 | halfhalo | or not enough |
20:25.35 | GNUtoo|laptop | didn't even use it once |
20:26.17 | GNUtoo|laptop | has only 30min |
20:26.22 | PuffTheMagic | ok |
20:26.25 | PuffTheMagic | try ssh |
20:26.29 | PuffTheMagic | on port 6000 |
20:26.46 | GNUtoo|laptop | ssh: connect to host bip.ryanhope.us port 6000: Connection refused |
20:27.49 | PuffTheMagic | ahh |
20:28.24 | PuffTheMagic | ssh default is 21 right? |
20:28.29 | GNUtoo|laptop | 22 |
20:28.32 | GNUtoo|laptop | 21 is ftp |
20:28.36 | PuffTheMagic | oops |
20:28.37 | PuffTheMagic | ;) |
20:28.47 | GNUtoo|laptop | you have puffy in your name |
20:28.52 | GNUtoo|laptop | you should know that then |
20:28.58 | GNUtoo|laptop | :) |
20:29.20 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok I'm in |
20:29.54 | GNUtoo|laptop | does it run the same installed kenrel than before? |
20:30.04 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
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20:30.10 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok thanks |
20:33.01 | PuffTheMagic | GNUtoo|laptop, im not sure why u cant access this rightnow |
20:33.08 | PuffTheMagic | i switched from dmz to port forwarding |
20:33.09 | GNUtoo|laptop | it works now |
20:33.11 | PuffTheMagic | oh it does? |
20:33.13 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'm in |
20:33.16 | GNUtoo|laptop | I told you |
20:33.20 | GNUtoo|laptop | GNUtoo|laptop> ok I'm in |
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20:33.29 | PuffTheMagic | i must have been of line and missed it |
20:33.31 | GNUtoo|laptop | read up |
20:34.55 | PuffTheMagic | my bip was disconnected |
20:35.02 | PuffTheMagic | when my router reset |
20:35.04 | PuffTheMagic | so i didnt get that |
20:35.27 | GNUtoo|laptop | what is bsl0 |
20:35.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
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20:39.46 | PuffTheMagic | bluetooth interface |
20:41.22 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
20:43.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | PuffTheMagic, what are the firmwares names? |
20:43.54 | GNUtoo|laptop | for sd8686 |
20:44.18 | GNUtoo|laptop | I point to the path? |
20:44.22 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'll try |
20:44.46 | PuffTheMagic | GNUtoo|laptop, idk what you did with the default firmwares |
20:44.53 | PuffTheMagic | so i cant tell u what they were named |
20:45.02 | GNUtoo|laptop | I know the names of the files |
20:45.13 | GNUtoo|laptop | but I don't know how sd8686 works |
20:45.23 | GNUtoo|laptop | nor how the palm one work |
20:46.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
20:46.40 | GNUtoo|laptop | I get how to load the firmwares |
20:46.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | as you saw it crashed |
20:47.05 | PuffTheMagic | is not looking at the phone |
20:47.30 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
20:47.32 | GNUtoo|laptop | I wonder |
20:47.47 | GNUtoo|laptop | how to run iwpriv |
20:47.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | if it crash before |
20:48.17 | GNUtoo|laptop | hmmm |
20:48.22 | GNUtoo|laptop | are you near the phone? |
20:48.44 | PuffTheMagic | yeah |
20:48.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | it doesn't come back |
20:49.21 | PuffTheMagic | popped the battery |
20:49.22 | PuffTheMagic | booting now |
20:49.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok thanks |
20:52.58 | GNUtoo|laptop | I think I'm doing something wrong |
20:53.05 | GNUtoo|laptop | maybe activating the wrong devices |
20:54.37 | GNUtoo|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
20:54.39 | GNUtoo|laptop | should be ok |
20:54.41 | GNUtoo|laptop | but the rest? |
20:55.54 | PuffTheMagic | rest what? |
20:56.05 | GNUtoo|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
20:56.05 | GNUtoo|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
20:56.15 | GNUtoo|laptop | the echo 1 > /sys/user_hw/pins/wifi/reset/level should be wifi |
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21:04.59 | tmzt_ | GNUtoo|laptop: is that to replace the /debugfs support or is it palm specific, I mean is it a standard |
21:05.14 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'm not sure |
21:05.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | but for some devices it is made via debugfs indeed |
21:07.35 | tmzt_ | okay, it be nice to have a standard method, and rfkill is completely wrong (that should only kill rftx) |
21:07.54 | GNUtoo|laptop | tmzt_, there is some method |
21:08.07 | GNUtoo|laptop | see wl1271 discussions on linux-wireless mailing list |
21:08.10 | GNUtoo|laptop | that is the way to go |
21:08.14 | tmzt_ | ok |
21:08.16 | GNUtoo|laptop | I didn't follow them tough |
21:08.29 | tmzt_ | then we should adopt that over the dbgfs on the #htc-linux side, thanks |
21:08.37 | GNUtoo|laptop | indeed |
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21:20.24 | GNUtoo|laptop | hmmm powersave is not enabled by defualt so it can't be that |
21:20.38 | GNUtoo|laptop | because the option it's not there is 2.6.24 |
21:25.12 | GNUtoo|laptop | PuffTheMagic, look at that: |
21:25.12 | GNUtoo|laptop | http://pastebin.com/QB18FhR3 |
21:25.14 | GNUtoo|laptop | strange |
21:25.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | [ 412.420000] kobject bsl0: registering. parent: net, set: devices |
21:25.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | [ 412.420000] kobject_uevent_env |
21:25.26 | GNUtoo|laptop | [ 412.420000] fill_kobj_path: path = '/class/net/bsl0' |
21:25.35 | GNUtoo|laptop | that is with sirloin_wifi |
21:25.47 | GNUtoo|laptop | I load it and I get that |
21:25.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | strnage |
21:25.54 | GNUtoo|laptop | bsl0 is bluetooth |
21:30.06 | PuffTheMagic | so then the mmc slots are backwards or something |
21:32.24 | GNUtoo|laptop | I don't know |
21:32.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | yet |
21:32.38 | GNUtoo|laptop | but I don't think it has to do with mmc directly |
21:32.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | I've no idea on how this is wired |
21:32.52 | GNUtoo|laptop | but often |
21:33.13 | GNUtoo|laptop | bluetooth and wifi are somewhat linked |
21:33.14 | GNUtoo|laptop | but |
21:33.27 | GNUtoo|laptop | if by backward you mean swapped |
21:33.30 | GNUtoo|laptop | it's impossible |
21:33.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | as microsd works |
21:33.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | s/microsd/nand-as-microsd |
21:33.57 | tmzt_ | what's the issue? |
21:34.05 | GNUtoo|laptop | tmzt_, we want wifi |
21:34.12 | tmzt_ | on pre? |
21:34.15 | GNUtoo|laptop | yes |
21:34.22 | tmzt_ | why can't you use bluez for bt? |
21:34.50 | GNUtoo|laptop | the wifi module from palm is an illegal proprietary wifi driver which used GPL exported stuff in the first versions of it |
21:34.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | but |
21:34.56 | tmzt_ | linked by gpio if it's interop |
21:35.03 | tmzt_ | what chip is it? |
21:35.07 | GNUtoo|laptop | libertas_sdio |
21:35.12 | GNUtoo|laptop | there is a gpio interupt thing |
21:35.16 | tmzt_ | oh right |
21:35.22 | GNUtoo|laptop | I've saw that in /proc/interrupts |
21:35.35 | tmzt_ | no, i mean between bt and wifi chip |
21:35.44 | GNUtoo|laptop | but all waht I am able to make is to crash the palm-pre and to activate the second sdio port |
21:35.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | I don't know |
21:35.48 | tmzt_ | how is bsl related to the issue |
21:35.52 | GNUtoo|laptop | we don't have schematics |
21:35.57 | GNUtoo|laptop | it comes up when I do that: |
21:36.32 | GNUtoo|laptop | board_wl_vcc_enable(1); |
21:36.39 | GNUtoo|laptop | board_wl_rf_vcc_enable(1); |
21:36.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | board_rescan_wifi_slot(); |
21:38.03 | tmzt_ | are you saying that then activates bluetooth as well? |
21:38.07 | tmzt_ | but wifi doesn't work |
21:39.32 | GNUtoo|laptop | yes |
21:39.34 | GNUtoo|laptop | that's it |
21:39.41 | GNUtoo|laptop | it activates bluetooth somehow |
21:39.50 | GNUtoo|laptop | but wifi doesn't come up |
21:40.00 | GNUtoo|laptop | altough threre is a lot of sdio traffic on mmc1 |
21:41.01 | tmzt_ | it can't be bad mmc, it has to be bad gpio/vreg |
21:41.06 | tmzt_ | or wifi and bt are connected |
21:41.17 | tmzt_ | it doesn't show up on the mmc bus? |
21:41.27 | tmzt_ | can you try unloading the wifi driver |
21:41.30 | GNUtoo|laptop | a lot of trafic |
21:41.32 | tmzt_ | and toggle it |
21:41.34 | GNUtoo|laptop | shows up on mmc |
21:41.37 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
21:43.51 | GNUtoo|laptop | still doesn't come up |
21:46.11 | GNUtoo|laptop | [ 1728.620000] SDIO: IRQ for mmc1:0001:1 already in use. |
21:46.27 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'll reboot |
21:46.38 | tmzt_ | that's the bus or not? |
21:47.11 | tmzt_ | steal embeddedsdio from #htc-linux kernel |
21:47.16 | tmzt_ | :) |
21:50.42 | GNUtoo|laptop | what's that? |
21:50.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | the one from the kernel? |
21:50.59 | GNUtoo|laptop | the CONFIG_EMBEDDED_SDIO? |
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21:59.14 | GNUtoo|laptop | tmzt_, |
21:59.28 | tmzt_ | yeah |
21:59.35 | GNUtoo|laptop | http://pastebin.com/EfhXDG2m |
21:59.39 | tmzt_ | and our arch/arm/mach-msm/mmc.c |
21:59.46 | tmzt_ | can't follow links right now |
22:00.06 | tmzt_ | maybe in a minute, hold on |
22:00.18 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'll try something |
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22:03.13 | GNUtoo|laptop | http://pastebin.com/wayyR5TH |
22:05.39 | GNUtoo|laptop | with rmmod+modprobe after: http://pastebin.com/Nzp6c7pt |
22:06.22 | GNUtoo|laptop | there is an enourmous lag |
22:11.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | I really must go to sleep |
22:16.49 | PuffTheMagic | later |
22:18.12 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok bye |
22:26.35 | cryptk|work | webos-internals.org is now mobile friendly! |
22:26.55 | halfhalo | that thing is live? |
22:28.28 | PuffTheMagic | cant resolv host |
22:28.43 | PuffTheMagic | oops |
22:28.46 | PuffTheMagic | wrong phgone |
22:29.31 | halfhalo | lol |
22:30.20 | halfhalo | hey, that thing does work! |
22:31.21 | PuffTheMagic | since when did wirc make featured article |
22:31.38 | PuffTheMagic | def need to change the applications template |
22:31.56 | cryptk|work | yeah |
22:32.00 | cryptk|work | I can handle all of that in the code |
22:32.01 | PuffTheMagic | and the top logo is wonky looking |
22:32.09 | PuffTheMagic | good start though |
22:32.44 | cryptk|work | yeah, I just threw our small logo in there, needs to be smallre though |
22:40.22 | cryptk|work | PuffTheMagic: I shrank the logo some more |
22:40.39 | halfhalo | yay screen scraping! |
22:42.16 | cryptk|work | ok, I am done for the day |
22:42.25 | cryptk|work | later all, I have real life stuff to do |
22:42.32 | halfhalo | see ya |
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23:53.10 | scoutcamper1 | is confused, he is not online anywhere else |
23:53.23 | scoutcamper1 | this is scoutcamper fyi |
23:53.52 | scoutcamper | is a winner |
23:54.02 | scoutcamper | just found his missing irc window ... |
23:54.13 | SineOt | lol... |
23:54.55 | summatusmentis | wait wait, scoutcamper1 is the same person as scoutcamper? >.> |
23:55.28 | scoutcamper | yes |
23:55.38 | scoutcamper | it was even the same pc, i was a winner |
23:55.47 | scoutcamper | i was confused by my irc |
23:57.23 | summatusmentis | hah, I gathered, my point was you had almost the identical nick, but felt the need to clarify who you were |