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| 00:54.41 | quotemstr | Great. My Pre has decided to start rebooting itself every 15 minutes or so. |
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| 01:27.07 | tenspd137 | Hi Puff - you around? |
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| 01:33.02 | oil | tenspd137: it helps if you say his full nick, it makes a little sound and is highlighted on his side |
| 01:33.05 | oil | PuffTheMagic: |
| 01:34.44 | tenspd137 | Oh - sorry. |
| 01:34.52 | tenspd137 | PuddTheMagic - you around? |
| 01:35.02 | tenspd137 | PuffTheMagic that is |
| 01:35.10 | oil | lol, nice |
| 01:35.20 | tenspd137 | yeah - I can type :P |
| 01:37.14 | tenspd137 | Anyway - I'll ask here - I have an armv7a-softfloat-linux-gnueabi compiler. I compiled doom w/o problems by altering the make file to point to all the right places. |
| 01:37.20 | tenspd137 | Still doesn't work. |
| 01:38.06 | tenspd137 | In fact, I have a simple hello world program that works on qemu, but when I dump it to the palm./hello: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") emulator, all I get is: |
| 01:38.24 | tenspd137 | sorry - all I get is ./hello: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 01:38.40 | tenspd137 | Any ideas? |
| 01:42.38 | oil | i have no clue |
| 01:42.58 | oil | sorry :/ |
| 01:43.05 | tenspd137 | Eh - Worth a shot :) - Thanks anyway. |
| 01:43.13 | rwhitby | that usually indicates you're running an x86 binary on a Pre |
| 01:43.50 | tenspd137 | Everyone here at least had some good ideas - I am working on Gentoo trying to do som wierd stuff, so, success is most likely less probable |
| 01:44.17 | tenspd137 | Oh - really? I compiled it with a cross compiler. |
| 01:44.21 | tenspd137 | hmmm |
| 01:45.53 | tenspd137 | even my hello program - file says: hello: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.16, not stripped |
| 01:46.51 | dtzWill | tenspd137: dump question, but it is +x right? :) |
| 01:47.26 | bpadalino | are you sure it's actually a compiled program, or is it text of some type ? |
| 01:48.49 | rwhitby | tenspd137: did you use the correct toolchain version? |
| 01:49.25 | rwhitby | tenspd137: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=toolchain/cs08q1armel/Makefile |
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| 01:55.30 | tenspd137 | dtzWill: +x ? bpadalino: Yeah - it has to run with qemu-arm. It just outputs hello at the command line, but I figured it would do that in novaterm |
| 01:56.28 | bpadalino | it just seems like a weird error if it is compiled |
| 01:56.34 | dtzWill | tenspd137: silly question but making sure it was +x, although i'd imagine you'd get a permission denied error if it wasn't |
| 01:56.48 | tenspd137 | rwhitby: There is where you might get me - I was using PuffTheMagic's Gentoo instructions - I cross compiled an armv7a-softfloat-linux-gnueabi toolchain |
| 01:57.01 | tenspd137 | dtzWill: oh - +x permission - gotcha |
| 01:57.20 | dtzWill | although -x binaries don't do that, just saying that seems like your shell thinks it's a script not an executable was all |
| 01:58.01 | tenspd137 | dtzWill - nope - it is +x. If I try to run it on host machine, it won't go - needs qemu-arm to run. |
| 01:58.08 | rwhitby | tenspd137: well, Palm uses the toolchain I linked to there. |
| 01:58.23 | dtzWill | yeah. given everything else i'd imagine you had gotten that right :) |
| 01:59.07 | rwhitby | has learnt never to mess with a working toolchain, nor try and redo it from scratch. |
| 02:00.05 | tenspd137 | haha - good point - I'll give it a shot and see what happens :P |
| 02:00.08 | tenspd137 | hehe |
| 02:00.33 | tenspd137 | tenspd137:learning the hard way......... |
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| 02:06.03 | tenspd137 | rwhitby: I did try that - I tried following the webos-internals wiki - couldn't get it to work either. |
| 02:06.45 | rwhitby | tenspd137: the Makefiles in that git repo build the contents of the webos-internals feeds on ipkg.preware.org, on a Ubuntu 10.4 system. |
| 02:10.03 | tenspd137 | I am trying it now. I put it in /srv/preware/cross-compile/toolchain/test |
| 02:10.25 | tenspd137 | Let's see what happens :) |
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| 02:12.29 | tenspd137 | so far, if I follow the wiki instructions - it breaks at make stages - usually when trying to compile navit |
| 02:15.38 | tenspd137 | After it builds the toolchain - should I try the wiki directions again, putting the tollchain's gcc you just gave me in the right spots? |
| 02:18.36 | tenspd137 | Gotta run - thanks for the link - I'll give it a shot.... |
| 02:18.40 | tenspd137 | :) |
| 02:18.58 | PuffTheMagic | tenspd137, sup |
| 02:19.14 | tenspd137 | Hey - just about to go, but I can hang around a few more seconds. |
| 02:19.39 | tenspd137 | Just thought I'd see if you had any more suggestions - nothing wants to work :) |
| 02:19.56 | PuffTheMagic | "nothing wants to work" doesnt explain much |
| 02:20.43 | tenspd137 | haha - Sorry - I made the armv7a-softfloat-linux-gnueabi compiler and tried making a simple hello program to run on the emulator. |
| 02:20.52 | PuffTheMagic | and? |
| 02:21.04 | tenspd137 | It just gives me: ./hello: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 02:21.21 | tenspd137 | but it works on the build machine when I run it with qenu-arm |
| 02:21.22 | PuffTheMagic | so that looks like your C fails |
| 02:21.31 | tenspd137 | qemu-arm |
| 02:21.58 | PuffTheMagic | paste the line u passed to arm...-gcc |
| 02:22.06 | PuffTheMagic | to compile this test app |
| 02:23.03 | tenspd137 | armv7a-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-gcc -static hello.c -o hello |
| 02:24.23 | PuffTheMagic | dont use -static |
| 02:24.28 | PuffTheMagic | thats prob #1 |
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| 02:26.08 | tenspd137 | Ok - I'll try again. |
| 02:26.50 | tenspd137 | Am I mssing anything else? |
| 02:27.01 | tenspd137 | missing |
| 02:27.02 | PuffTheMagic | no thats probably it |
| 02:27.10 | PuffTheMagic | since u dont link to any libs |
| 02:27.30 | tenspd137 | Trying it now... |
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| 02:29.15 | tenspd137 | root@qemux86:/# ./hello |
| 02:29.15 | tenspd137 | ./hello: line 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 02:29.17 | tenspd137 | nope |
| 02:29.35 | tenspd137 | armv7a-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-gcc hello.c -o hello |
| 02:29.44 | tenspd137 | was what I used to compile with. |
| 02:29.54 | bpadalino | cat hello |
| 02:30.14 | PuffTheMagic | no |
| 02:30.23 | PuffTheMagic | tenspd137, stop using qemu-arm |
| 02:30.23 | tenspd137 | file hello :) |
| 02:30.25 | PuffTheMagic | its evil |
| 02:30.30 | PuffTheMagic | test it on your actual device |
| 02:30.35 | tenspd137 | Ok |
| 02:31.02 | tenspd137 | I tested it on the emulator. |
| 02:31.55 | tenspd137 | I don't have a Pre - the idea was if I knew I could write stuff for it, I would get one - my current phone needs an upgrade - badly (an old Motorola Razor) |
| 02:32.58 | PuffTheMagic | well i have nfc what type of "arm" qemu-arm emulates |
| 02:33.02 | PuffTheMagic | but its prob not an armv7 |
| 02:33.28 | PuffTheMagic | or... |
| 02:33.45 | PuffTheMagic | something about to toolchain you made is not compatible with qemu-arm |
| 02:33.51 | PuffTheMagic | i wouldnt trust it |
| 02:34.24 | tenspd137 | Ok - fair enough - so the emulator (palm-emulator) is based of qemu, which is bad. |
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| 02:35.09 | bpadalino | there is a big disconnect here |
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| 02:35.48 | PuffTheMagic | umm |
| 02:35.57 | PuffTheMagic | palm-emulator is x86 |
| 02:36.02 | PuffTheMagic | its not an arm emulator |
| 02:36.06 | PuffTheMagic | and its virtualbox |
| 02:36.11 | PuffTheMagic | not qemu |
| 02:36.48 | tenspd137 | Ohhhh. Wow - did I screw up then. I really misunderstood some stuff. Yikes. |
| 02:37.39 | tenspd137 | I feel REAL stupid now. |
| 02:37.41 | tenspd137 | Doh. |
| 02:38.52 | tenspd137 | Wow - Ummmm - I don't know what to say. Well, looks like I have a cross compiler that might work on a device, and I can compile stuff regularly. |
| 02:39.53 | Zinge | Sorry to interrupt; is there a way to send a magic packet (wol) to a specific ip address/port from terminal? I know you can't send to broadcast, have to forward port, etc... |
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| 02:40.31 | PuffTheMagic | tenspd137, developing for the Pre is easy and webos devices are cheap |
| 02:40.38 | PuffTheMagic | so if u are interested go for it |
| 02:40.50 | PuffTheMagic | even if u get a used pre or something on ebay just to hack on |
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| 02:41.50 | tenspd137 | Yeah - prolly a good place to start. I apologize - I made the assumption that the emulator emulated arm |
| 02:42.06 | PuffTheMagic | no need to apologize |
| 02:42.08 | tenspd137 | Well, learn something new every day.... lol |
| 02:43.10 | tenspd137 | I feel like I wasted a lot of people's time - that wasn't my intent. Anyway, I really do appreciate the time everyone has spent. I do have to run - my wife needs some help with something here, so.... thanks again :) |
| 02:43.52 | tenspd137 | Anyway - if I get a device, I will have more questions, and I'll come back :) |
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| 02:52.01 | dtzWill | lolol. i definitely thought he meant he tested on qemu-arm and it WORKED but wouldn't run on his device hahaha |
| 02:52.06 | dtzWill | excellent. well glad that's resolved :) |
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| 05:15.56 | Flak | preware having problems? |
| 05:16.31 | rwhitby | Guest13058: not that I know of |
| 05:16.50 | Guest13058 | can't get to any of the feeds from a new preware install, nor are they loading in WOQI |
| 05:17.23 | rwhitby | http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ is fine here and on my device. |
| 05:18.36 | Guest13058 | there's a post on precentral about it as well |
| 05:19.26 | Guest13058 | my old pre times out on the feed updates as well, granted it takes a long time. but all the feeds error out |
| 05:21.04 | Guest13058 | also, going direct to this times out |
| 05:21.06 | Guest13058 | http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ |
| 05:24.13 | rwhitby | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ |
| 05:25.21 | Guest13058 | hmm... |
| 05:25.47 | Guest13058 | think it's a dns issue me and many others are having then? |
| 05:26.05 | halfhalo | could be... |
| 05:27.23 | ka6sox | okay whats the deal with this? |
| 05:27.41 | rwhitby | can you see http://ipkg1.preware.org/ http://ipkg2.preware.org or http://ipkg3.preware.org ? |
| 05:28.14 | rwhitby | meh, skip ipkg1.preware.org |
| 05:28.31 | rwhitby | it's currently pointing to ipkg3.preware.org - I can change it to point to ipkg2.preware.org |
| 05:29.20 | ka6sox | I am unable to connect to ipkg3 currently |
| 05:29.32 | ka6sox | but I can connect to ipkg2 |
| 05:30.08 | halfhalo | I can hit both |
| 05:30.18 | Guest13058 | ipkg3 is a no, 1 and 2 are yes |
| 05:30.54 | halfhalo | pulls out ipad to test, which has no dns record of the feeds |
| 05:31.55 | rwhitby | ka6sox: I've switched to ipkg2 |
| 05:32.13 | rwhitby | (just then, so 30 mins TTL on DNS) |
| 05:32.19 | ka6sox | okay good. |
| 05:33.10 | halfhalo | hmmm.... 3 isn't resolving on the ipad |
| 05:33.19 | ka6sox | halfhalo, 3 is down |
| 05:33.30 | halfhalo | good times.... |
| 05:33.36 | ka6sox | I'm trying to login to the server and no go. |
| 05:34.21 | rwhitby | ka6sox: weird that I can access ipkg3 over the web from here |
| 05:34.38 | halfhalo | my desktop can hit it as well. |
| 05:34.57 | rwhitby | ka6sox: and I can log into it from here |
| 05:35.14 | Guest13058 | so it's a dns issue then |
| 05:35.19 | halfhalo | localized isp issues? |
| 05:35.21 | rwhitby | so there is a network break between Hawaii and US |
| 05:35.29 | Guest13058 | ahh |
| 05:36.20 | ka6sox | hawaii says they can get to it...the server is circa LA. |
| 05:36.42 | ka6sox | I reported it to the mirror operator and he is looking. |
| 05:36.47 | halfhalo | ka6sox: the ipad can't get to it via the cell network either |
| 05:37.05 | rwhitby | ka6sox: ah, right. it's not in hawaii |
| 05:37.07 | ka6sox | halfhalo, doesn't surprise me. |
| 05:37.21 | ka6sox | rwhitby, yep...just controlled from there. |
| 05:37.55 | halfhalo | well... it IS att :p |
| 05:38.30 | ka6sox | Guest13058, what ISP are you using and from what area? |
| 05:38.50 | Guest13058 | looks like feeds are back |
| 05:38.55 | Guest13058 | I'm on Charter in WI... |
| 05:38.59 | halfhalo | Not working from vzw wireless either |
| 05:39.28 | ka6sox | well...dns has to TTL. |
| 05:39.54 | ka6sox | okay reload please. |
| 05:40.00 | ka6sox | (as in try again) |
| 05:40.05 | Guest13058 | WOQI and Preware are both working |
| 05:40.52 | ka6sox | halfhalo, please try to update preware. |
| 05:40.52 | halfhalo | At least that works |
| 05:41.31 | halfhalo | upd |
| 05:41.37 | halfhalo | well, the feeds are anyways |
| 05:41.58 | ka6sox | the feeds are what are important. |
| 05:42.08 | halfhalo | knows |
| 05:42.42 | ka6sox | okay this *must* have been a routing screwup. |
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| 05:42.50 | halfhalo | really should metadoctor his pre |
| 05:50.20 | halfhalo | Holycarp... Angelbird ssd.. Me likes... |
| 05:50.40 | halfhalo | 1Gb/s read speed |
| 05:52.18 | halfhalo | wants |
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| 06:08.46 | mpingu | hi |
| 06:10.29 | ka6sox | lo |
| 06:11.57 | mpingu | anyone of you knows how to install ruby on a webos Device palm pre is my device |
| 06:13.52 | ka6sox | halfhalo, youknow? |
| 06:14.32 | mpingu | ? |
| 06:14.56 | ka6sox | mpingu, I'm asking our resident ruby guy. |
| 06:15.13 | mpingu | ah okay |
| 06:15.30 | mpingu | i dont find any on the net |
| 06:15.46 | ka6sox | I don't know so I can't say. |
| 06:16.39 | mpingu | ah okay |
| 06:17.59 | ka6sox | its late for him so he *might* have already gone to sleep. |
| 06:18.05 | ka6sox | what TZ are you in? |
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| 06:19.51 | halfhalo | What now in the what what? |
| 06:20.06 | halfhalo | is on iPad and just switched back to irc |
| 06:20.06 | mpingu | i am from germany so europe tz |
| 06:20.19 | mpingu | hmm TZ questions you dont play eve or ? |
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| 06:21.24 | halfhalo | As for ruby, if it's in opt ware then Its easy to install, else it needs to be cross compiled |
| 06:22.29 | mpingu | okay i am mostly asking because i want to install metasploit on it for some security testing on the got to bad aircrack dont work or ? |
| 06:24.06 | ka6sox | halfhalo, use your new tool to find out if its there. |
| 06:24.10 | halfhalo | doesn't know about wether aircrack works or not |
| 06:24.40 | mpingu | for proper use of aircrack you need to patch the wifi drivers i dont think there is a madwifi port für palm pres driver |
| 06:25.00 | ka6sox | doubt it as it uses a proprietary stack. |
| 06:25.44 | halfhalo | ka6sox: To much effort on iPad |
| 06:25.46 | mpingu | i only got a nokia n900 tut for installing metasploit some of you would like to look over it the packages if there are in webos also ? |
| 06:26.11 | ka6sox | halfhalo, I'm talking about optwarefind. |
| 06:26.39 | halfhalo | I know :P |
| 06:27.02 | halfhalo | But multitasking with hulu, safari causes it to run out of memory and close an app |
| 06:27.29 | ka6sox | oh..right. |
| 06:27.35 | ka6sox | where did we put that? |
| 06:27.52 | halfhalo | Optwarefind.nslu2-Linux.org |
| 06:28.06 | ka6sox | that makes too much sense. |
| 06:28.16 | halfhalo | Then change it! |
| 06:28.45 | ka6sox | 1.9.1.243-1' |
| 06:28.55 | halfhalo | I like it |
| 06:29.03 | ka6sox | thats the version in optware. of ruby |
| 06:29.21 | halfhalo | It's shiny and new |
| 06:29.41 | ka6sox | yep...shiny |
| 06:30.08 | mpingu | cool |
| 06:30.25 | mpingu | the optware stuff i am finding under preware right? |
| 06:32.39 | halfhalo | You have to add it to pre ware |
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| 06:44.22 | mpingu | got pre ware now on it my pre was in rma till yesterday headphone jacket thing |
| 06:47.21 | oil | so it was return merchandise authorization till yesterday? |
| 06:48.12 | mpingu | ? |
| 06:48.28 | mpingu | i got it since yesterday afternoon just installed pre ware and stuff again |
| 06:49.31 | ka6sox | (he got it back after fixing the headphone jack) |
| 06:53.02 | mpingu | i am getting an error at downloading ipkg.preware.org feeds |
| 06:58.21 | ka6sox | are you using wifi or cell connection? |
| 06:58.41 | mpingu | cell |
| 06:58.50 | mpingu | okay fixed just rebooted my pre |
| 07:01.42 | mpingu | i got the normal optware feeds i dont got a ruby in it openSSH OpenVPN and stuff i ghgot |
| 07:08.27 | ka6sox | you have to manually install it. |
| 07:08.45 | mpingu | okay stupid question where do i find it ? |
| 07:15.31 | rwhitby | Optware Advanced Linux Command LIne Installer in Preware |
| 07:15.34 | rwhitby | install that |
| 07:15.38 | rwhitby | novaterm or ssh in |
| 07:15.41 | rwhitby | run ipkg-opt update |
| 07:15.45 | rwhitby | run ipkg-opt ist |
| 07:15.48 | rwhitby | run ipkg-opt list |
| 07:16.03 | rwhitby | (the "ist" is a typo, don't run that) |
| 07:16.12 | rwhitby | behold the 1700+ packages available |
| 07:27.13 | mpingu | can i also install a terminal on the pre it self? |
| 07:28.22 | mpingu | but its only via commandline or ? |
| 07:36.27 | rwhitby | Have you typed "terminal" on the Preware main screen? |
| 07:37.17 | mpingu | yeah |
| 07:37.25 | mpingu | the terminal app |
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| 14:44.39 | Darkmagister | anyone have order the pre2 ??? |
| 14:48.19 | ka6sox | can you order them? |
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| 14:50.32 | Darkmagister | on the site it's possibile but i don't know if the pre 2 is sim locked |
| 14:50.46 | Darkmagister | and i don't live in france ... |
| 14:51.51 | ka6sox | I haven't seen it announced here in the US yet |
| 14:52.12 | ka6sox | (that its available) |
| 14:52.31 | summatusmentis | it says coming soon to vzw on the site, but if you go to "shop" it only shows the Pre or Pre+ |
| 14:52.38 | summatusmentis | (and pixi models, obviously) |
| 14:53.39 | ka6sox | one would hope that the Oreo issue would be fixed :D |
| 14:59.21 | summatusmentis | aren't the Oreo issues fixed in current new pre's anyway? |
| 15:00.31 | Rick_work | Morning |
| 15:00.45 | ka6sox | morning Rick_work |
| 15:09.47 | RagingMind | I have no oreo issues... but I'm a bit anal with regard to care of my phone |
| 15:10.01 | RagingMind | I carry it around in that little soft case that came with it |
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| 16:46.36 | dkwiebe | Does Zsoc still come here once in a while? |
| 16:48.45 | ka6sox | sometimes. |
| 16:49.41 | dkwiebe | ok, thanks. I'll watch for him. |
| 16:51.10 | ka6sox | I guess somethings can escape Black Holes. |
| 16:51.29 | halfhalo | like windows? |
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| 17:47.50 | xbonesx | would it be possible to have the "total message count" patch have this format "**/**"; left being the amount of messages you've sent and the right being the amount of messages received? |
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| 17:55.04 | xbonesx | "muffle system logging": recommended or needed? |
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| 17:58.34 | xbonesx | are you not allowed to have the "no date" and "no battery level" patches at the same time? i always get an error, its either one or the other??? |
| 17:59.00 | summatusmentis | I'm assuming they modify similar things, and overlap |
| 17:59.33 | xbonesx | i believe it just removes the line, im assuming it has to have atleast on line then... |
| 18:01.31 | summatusmentis | do you know where they're hosted? |
| 18:04.23 | xbonesx | summatusmentis: im sry, im not sure what you talking about? |
| 18:05.06 | summatusmentis | the patches themselves, do you know where they're hosted? |
| 18:08.28 | xbonesx | WebOS Patches feed |
| 18:09.42 | xbonesx | or are you referring to the inner working of the patch, as in what it does? really not sure what your asking? |
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| 20:50.20 | xbonesx | Could someone help me edit the text color for the contacts page, i need it black? |
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| 21:18.02 | oc80z | whats good? |
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| 21:28.00 | rwhitby | pre2 in france |
| 21:30.22 | bhuey | good |
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| 21:47.51 | Rick_work | So, If I get an unlocked Pre2, what pay-as-you-go sim is best in the US? |
| 21:48.26 | halfhalo | I think your down to tmobiles month to month or att's go phone plan |
| 21:49.15 | Tibfib | I don't think the 3g works with tmobile |
| 21:49.24 | Tibfib | if you care about that. |
| 21:53.05 | Rick_work | not for developer device. |
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| 21:57.15 | halfhalo | is off to the vet |
| 21:57.34 | ka6sox | hopes his shots don't hurt to bad. |
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