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| 00:13.02 | Quad_ | Evening everyone... Has work on the FrakenDoctor halted because of the Dbag on the forums? Or just the thread |
| 00:13.19 | rwhitby | just the thread |
| 00:13.26 | rwhitby | see @webosinternals on Twitter |
| 00:13.59 | Quad_ | ok thanks rod |
| 00:29.04 | Robi_ | hmm MHS stopped working |
| 00:29.14 | Robi_ | not forwarding any packets |
| 00:29.34 | Robi_ | and can't seem to enable it, even manually |
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| 00:38.55 | ashi_todd | follows |
| 00:38.56 | ashi_todd | thanks |
| 00:44.00 | Robi_ | the 3G icon keeps disappearing when MHS is on |
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| 00:57.04 | seb_or_sam | s |
| 00:57.29 | seb_or_sam | anyone know meta-doctor really well? |
| 00:59.03 | destinal | seb_or_sam: rwhitby wrote it, does that count? :) |
| 00:59.22 | seb_or_sam | haha, well yes, of course, but I don't wanna bother him |
| 01:00.01 | destinal | someone called "T0F3R" in the precentral thread wrote: A6=Keyboard! Good work Watson.. is this a tip from someone @ palm? |
| 01:00.41 | destinal | if so that would leave stingray as the palmpad |
| 01:00.45 | seb_or_sam | destinal: did they find that in the 2.0 dr? |
| 01:01.02 | destinal | seb_or_sam: yeah I found the codenames in the 2.0 dr |
| 01:01.06 | jacques | stingrays are big and flat |
| 01:01.17 | seb_or_sam | destinal: nice! |
| 01:01.25 | seb_or_sam | destinal: I'm going through the doctor too |
| 01:01.46 | seb_or_sam | very interesting stuff there |
| 01:02.37 | seb_or_sam | destinal: did you see the pic of the virtual KB background |
| 01:02.39 | seb_or_sam | ? |
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| 01:06.32 | destinal | seb_or_sam: haven't really gone looking yet, this was during the frankendoctor search, I was grepping roadrunning in the class fil.es |
| 01:06.37 | destinal | that's cool though |
| 01:07.32 | seb_or_sam | destinal: nice. you lost me at "grepping roadrunning in the class file.es" tthough ;) |
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| 01:09.59 | seb_or_sam | destinal: if you wanna see the virtual kb background i'll post the path |
| 01:11.35 | destinal | seb_or_sam: sure |
| 01:11.48 | seb_or_sam | destinal: ok one sec... need to check |
| 01:16.04 | seb_or_sam | destinal: nova-cust-image-roadrunner.rootfs/usr/palm/sysmgr/images/keyboard-background.png |
| 01:16.22 | seb_or_sam | destinal: err... that's /usr/palm/sysmgr/images/keyboard-background.png |
| 01:16.42 | seb_or_sam | just don't forget that I was the one who found it ok? ;) |
| 01:16.48 | destinal | :) |
| 01:17.29 | seb_or_sam | destinal: see it? |
| 01:18.27 | seb_or_sam | and yes I looked in that keyboard folder too... not much too see. Just a few icons for things like backspace and shift |
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| 01:21.25 | rwhitby | seb_or_sam: what did you want to know about the metadoctor? |
| 01:21.54 | seb_or_sam | rwhitby: how to use CUSTOM_CARRIER_TARBALL |
| 01:22.19 | rwhitby | seb_or_sam: that's the wr.tar or sprint.tar or att.tar you find in the doctor |
| 01:22.31 | rwhitby | just point it to the pathname of a replacement one |
| 01:22.36 | seb_or_sam | rwhitby: I know, but I'm pretty clueless with the doctor so I don't know where to put it, etc. |
| 01:22.42 | seb_or_sam | rwhitby: oh! |
| 01:22.50 | seb_or_sam | rwhitby: I specify the path |
| 01:22.59 | rwhitby | yep |
| 01:23.06 | seb_or_sam | rwhitby: got it. I thought there was somewhere it needed to go. |
| 01:23.31 | rwhitby | seb_or_sam: note that there be dragons were you are treading |
| 01:23.45 | halfhalo | and unicorns if you play your cards right |
| 01:23.50 | rwhitby | you can easily cause your modem to be inoperable going down that path |
| 01:23.58 | seb_or_sam | rwhitby: well, I'm using a standard verizon tarball, but with ONE twist |
| 01:24.10 | seb_or_sam | rwhitby: I removed he VZ Nav IPKs |
| 01:24.13 | rwhitby | seb_or_sam: just leaving out GPS stuff should be fine |
| 01:24.21 | seb_or_sam | good |
| 01:24.29 | seb_or_sam | hoping to uncripple the GPS |
| 01:24.36 | seb_or_sam | or de-cripple if you prefer |
| 01:24.37 | rwhitby | seb_or_sam: let us know how that goes |
| 01:24.41 | seb_or_sam | I shall |
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| 01:26.26 | seb_or_sam | so I just add CUSTOM_CARIER_TARBALL to the bottom of the list for user changes and point it to verizon.tar? |
| 01:26.41 | ka6sox | it appears as if the powervr is the same on the 3630 for the pre2 as pre. |
| 01:26.51 | rwhitby | seb_or_sam: yes |
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| 01:27.15 | rwhitby | ka6sox: specs are up on the public TI site I think |
| 01:27.19 | seb_or_sam | rwhitby: ok. good. I think I get it... |
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| 01:27.29 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 02:01.30 | destinal | rwhitby:wait, carrier tarballs don't talk to the modem directly, do they? I thought they were just specific apps and such provided by the vendor |
| 02:01.54 | destinal | bookmarks and lgos and what have you as well |
| 02:02.01 | destinal | s/lgos/logos/ |
| 02:10.25 | PuffTheMagic | carrier tarballs are is all webos shit |
| 02:13.15 | PuffTheMagic | destinal, cant we pressure palm for 2.0 kernel patches |
| 02:13.20 | PuffTheMagic | since 2.0 is out and GPL |
| 02:16.17 | ka6sox | jacques, http://focus.ti.com/pdfs/wtbu/OMAP36xx_ES1.x_PUBLIC_TRM_vM.pdf |
| 02:17.13 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: well so far I just asked politely of their opensource email address |
| 02:17.22 | jacques | ka6sox, tyvm |
| 02:17.25 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: they said they're packaging it up and will have it on the site soon |
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| 02:18.11 | PuffTheMagic | will you forward me your email |
| 02:18.20 | PuffTheMagic | so ic an send a simlar polite message |
| 02:23.49 | halfhalo | lol |
| 02:24.11 | Adora | did anyone notice there is a 2.6.25 kernel on palms site now |
| 02:24.25 | Adora | for the pixi |
| 02:25.12 | destinal | Adora: ah, yeah, I see. cool. |
| 02:25.41 | destinal | I knew for a while pixi's kernel wasn't out there |
| 02:26.01 | Adora | .25 is a massive leap |
| 02:26.15 | jacques | really? interesting |
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| 02:27.06 | PuffTheMagic | i dont understand why they have 2 patches |
| 02:27.14 | PuffTheMagic | they should just roll it up into 1 |
| 02:28.10 | PuffTheMagic | Has anyone tried the psfreedom kernel module ps3 jailbreak on 145? |
| 02:30.54 | ka6sox | okay so...the kernel package is a 2.6.25 but the patches are for 2.6.24? um... |
| 02:31.06 | PuffTheMagic | ya |
| 02:31.12 | PuffTheMagic | that is reasonable |
| 02:32.53 | NuttyBunny | Hi everyone, did I miss too much about the FrankenDoctor over the last 4 hours after PreHype's stupid posts? :) |
| 02:35.12 | PuffTheMagic | ka6sox, i've applied many "upstream" patches to older kernels with out failing |
| 02:35.35 | PuffTheMagic | im sure it they either failed to rename the patch |
| 02:35.45 | PuffTheMagic | or the its really .24 |
| 02:36.39 | ka6sox | ya, I would hope so...we should verify that (that either the source or the patch is incorrectly named). |
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| 02:39.06 | ka6sox | starts that. |
| 02:39.18 | halfhalo | makes popcorn and watches |
| 02:41.00 | PuffTheMagic | hates the "make popcorn expression" |
| 02:41.12 | PuffTheMagic | its usually rwhitby making it waiting for me to make an ass of my self |
| 02:41.28 | halfhalo | lol |
| 02:42.05 | ka6sox | ha ha...thats good. |
| 02:44.22 | ka6sox | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 02:44.22 | ka6sox | 19:44:19 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 02:44.23 | jacques | anyone using linux on intel procs with "turbo mode" like the i7 and i5 ? |
| 02:44.28 | ka6sox | so its a typo |
| 02:45.02 | ka6sox | both the link and the name on the webpage are consistent but doesn't really exist |
| 02:45.40 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: hehe, it used to be just you debating something that would signal time for popcorn -- you have a fairly agressive style of debate :) |
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| 02:46.15 | halfhalo | jacques: nope, why |
| 02:46.19 | PuffTheMagic | destinal, i just ask questions |
| 02:46.25 | PuffTheMagic | ask people to explain theme selves |
| 02:46.34 | PuffTheMagic | and that seems to be something people dont want to do |
| 02:46.36 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: I mean that you don't sugar coat or tiptoe like some do |
| 02:46.45 | destinal | just like "wtf?" |
| 02:47.28 | destinal | it totally works for me but some people get pissed when you're direct |
| 02:47.41 | jacques | halfhalo, my machine doesn't seem to be going into turbo mode |
| 02:48.07 | halfhalo | what are you trying to do |
| 02:48.56 | jacques | halfhalo, verify that turbo mode is working under linux on my machine - I expect to see it go to 3.33GHz when only one core is loaded, yet cpufreq-info and /proc/cpuinfo both say 2.66GHz |
| 02:49.06 | PuffTheMagic | destinal, i have to provoke discussion, its how i learn, it only turns into arguments when people resist ;) |
| 02:50.22 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: and I was just thinking that we've had a lot of useful stuff figured out from these kinds of arguments, also |
| 02:50.23 | jacques | this is running Fedora14, which has 2.6.35.6 kernel, so it should be new enough, I just dunno if there's something else I need to do to enable turbo |
| 02:51.17 | halfhalo | turbo is not dependent on the os though... are you sure its only a single core being stressed enough? |
| 02:51.39 | halfhalo | and it will jump in and out of turbo really fast, and if your cpu is to hot it will not trigger |
| 02:52.00 | destinal | making people question things and defend positions is good for improving / evolving things |
| 02:52.16 | jacques | halfhalo, what bothers me is cpufreq-info lists max speed per core/thread as 2.66 |
| 02:52.45 | halfhalo | it may set that at boot though... which is what it would be at max |
| 02:52.56 | PuffTheMagic | destinal, im always thinking outside of the box and pushing limits, i need people to help constrain and refine those thoughts |
| 02:53.01 | jacques | I'm running bzflag, which is notorious for loading a single core |
| 02:53.44 | ka6sox | okay so I guess I should email the opensource email @ palm and ask them to fix that link. |
| 02:57.57 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: I mean to go back to frankendoctor but I'm distracted by the reprap 3d printer motherboard a friend of mine and I are designing and daydreaming about what you could do with multitouch on a webos tablet. (multitouch remote desktop for ubuntu unity and microsoft surface comes to mind, and 3d sculipting with 5 point inputs and an accelerometer) -- hard to focus. |
| 02:59.19 | destinal | I wonder how hard it would be to reverse engineer Nook or Kindle's iphone apps since they're not likely to come up with webos ports and a webos tablet would be a good ebook reader |
| 02:59.36 | destinal | we just need an online store to get new books from as well as pdf and epub |
| 02:59.58 | PuffTheMagic | im sure there will be a kindle app |
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| 03:00.38 | halfhalo | I think kindle is waiting on hybrid, and I would not be suprised if nook was also |
| 03:00.58 | destinal | on the one hand, a tablet's just different in size, but on the other hand, it's really used totally differently |
| 03:01.44 | PuffTheMagic | they need to figure out how to do desktop widgets within webos |
| 03:01.55 | PuffTheMagic | else tablets will be lots of wasted spce |
| 03:01.56 | PuffTheMagic | space |
| 03:03.29 | destinal | I wonder... a lot of the webos ui is javascript including the launcher, do we need pam to change anything? has anyone played with the new touchstone mode where apps display stuff? |
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| 03:03.39 | destinal | I wonder how much that can be made to do widget things |
| 03:04.03 | destinal | s/pam/palm |
| 03:04.41 | halfhalo | Make the background system a mojo app. boom, done |
| 03:06.34 | PuffTheMagic | destinal, exhibition is not complete yet |
| 03:06.47 | destinal | exhibition, right |
| 03:07.58 | PuffTheMagic | halfhalo, i dont want full blown apps running in the background |
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| 03:08.07 | oc80z | whats good |
| 03:08.09 | PuffTheMagic | i want want real widget suppport |
| 03:08.10 | destinal | I hope the tablets have bluetooth. the new bluetooth serial could make a lot of stuff possible. I'm thinking about making an adapter that plugs into an iphone dock and lets you use iphone controls over webos music player etc |
| 03:08.16 | oc80z | c40 going to work out |
| 03:09.00 | egaudet | jacques, I don't think you get the current frequency reported in turbo mode |
| 03:09.01 | destinal | serial terminals could be handy, and infrared remote controls |
| 03:09.02 | halfhalo | PuffTheMagic: what I mean was if the background was an app, you could pass it information to make a widget, sorta like with notifications |
| 03:09.48 | destinal | an I2c to bluetooth adapter for a nunchuk would be nice, I think the nunchuk would be cooler for webos games than a wiimote |
| 03:09.51 | PuffTheMagic | i want an api/framwork where i can add/rearrange widgets like i can move apps in the launcher |
| 03:10.11 | PuffTheMagic | granted, that would be very limited on a pre screen |
| 03:10.21 | PuffTheMagic | but more useful on a tablet |
| 03:10.31 | PuffTheMagic | but much appreciated on a pre |
| 03:10.37 | PuffTheMagic | if they had widgets |
| 03:10.41 | PuffTheMagic | and hid the launcher |
| 03:10.46 | PuffTheMagic | i would actually use the wave launcher |
| 03:11.38 | oc80z | dont let big brother take over. |
| 03:12.02 | oc80z | save the sheep. program for hp. |
| 03:13.21 | destinal | oc80z: huh? |
| 03:14.55 | destinal | mmmm, a bluetooth serial NES controller... you'd have to set the pre on a touchstone to play properly though |
| 03:16.14 | scoutcamper | for vbadvance :D |
| 03:16.33 | destinal | scoutcamper: definitely. |
| 03:16.43 | destinal | hmm, not a very expensive part either -- http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9913 |
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| 03:17.29 | ka6sox | sparkfun is an excellent source |
| 03:17.43 | linuxjacques | sparkfun FTW |
| 03:19.04 | destinal | we never did get usb host working but I did get it to try, it gave power but never enumerated. I should look at that again, usb would be easier. but if it's not physically possible at least we can steal power from the pre.. |
| 03:19.46 | destinal | wouldn't need batteries in the bt controllers |
| 03:20.23 | ka6sox | I think with the pre there are spots with a USB Host. |
| 03:20.42 | destinal | ka6sox: spots? |
| 03:20.49 | ka6sox | on the boards. |
| 03:21.04 | egaudet | linuxjacques, what available frequencies are reported? |
| 03:21.10 | PuffTheMagic | i cant get the jailbreak mod for ps3 working |
| 03:21.14 | PuffTheMagic | it just reboots my phone |
| 03:21.24 | destinal | ka6sox: it's a USB OTG chipset and I can make it go into host mode with the right cable but no more than that |
| 03:21.37 | destinal | ka6sox: it provides power but won't communicate |
| 03:22.16 | ka6sox | so the kernel doesn't have the support? |
| 03:23.02 | egaudet | and are you using acpi-cpufreq module |
| 03:23.03 | destinal | ka6sox: it looked like it did but wasn't enumerating but this was a while ago |
| 03:23.30 | destinal | ka6sox: and before we had our own kernel working to hack on |
| 03:23.42 | ka6sox | I should look at the 4030 docs to see if there is a problem there. |
| 03:23.54 | ka6sox | (like it needs to be put in a different mode) |
| 03:25.04 | linuxjacques | egaudet, available frequency steps: 2.67 GHz, 2.67 GHz, 2.53 GHz, 2.40 GHz, 2.27 GHz, 2.13 GHz, 2.00 GHz, 1.87 GHz, 1.73 GHz, 1.60 GHz, 1.47 GHz, 1.33 GHz, 1.20 GHz |
| 03:25.48 | halfhalo | yup, its not showing turbo mode |
| 03:27.41 | egaudet | yes it is |
| 03:27.46 | egaudet | that first one is P0 turbo |
| 03:28.56 | linuxjacques | 2.67 is the "normal" speed; it's supposed to go up to 3.33 in turbo |
| 03:29.01 | egaudet | of course the frequency will vary at any given time by hardware |
| 03:29.15 | egaudet | linuxjacques, I bet it -will- but you will not see that change in cpuinfo |
| 03:29.21 | linuxjacques | egaudet, how can I tell if it's working? |
| 03:30.59 | egaudet | linuxjacques, I'm not sure if there is an existing utility to measure the current frequency but run a benchmark, then set it to the P1 frequency and run it again |
| 03:31.55 | linuxjacques | egaudet, ah I see what you meant now - first and second frequencies are listed as the same |
| 03:32.13 | egaudet | they should be different by like 1 MHz or something |
| 03:32.28 | egaudet | I think just to differentiate/control |
| 03:33.16 | egaudet | linuxjacques, just found this, not sure if it will help you: http://code.google.com/p/i7z/ |
| 03:34.06 | linuxjacques | egaudet, sweet, thanks |
| 03:35.02 | egaudet | np, I've actually been working on / learning this stuff at work the past week so it's fresh in my mind |
| 03:36.09 | ka6sox | destinal did you find the control bits to change the TWL_4030 into a host instead of a target? |
| 03:37.14 | egaudet | speaking of TWL4030, has anyone tried to use the hardware voltage scaling stuff in the kernel on Pre? |
| 03:37.31 | linuxjacques | egaudet, that tool's pretty neat. it says turbo is enabled |
| 03:37.46 | egaudet | nice, does it report the measured frequency? |
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| 03:39.01 | egaudet | re: volt scaling, using CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_VMODE rather than CONFIG_OMAP_VOLT_SR_BYPASS |
| 03:39.03 | ka6sox | egaudet, the Android guys have...and jhojho I think has done some in warthog. |
| 03:39.30 | egaudet | from what I understand it should allow those with "strong" devices to operate at lower voltages automatically |
| 03:39.40 | linuxjacques | egaudet, and when I run yes, I can see the freq going up to 3.3GHz |
| 03:41.21 | linuxjacques | egaudet, yeah it reports the measured freq |
| 03:41.38 | egaudet | nice, I may have to play with it on Monday :) |
| 03:42.01 | destinal | ka6sox: you could echo host or otg /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode or something, setting host caused the kernel to panic, setting otg and putting in the right cable caused it to work as a host for power at least |
| 03:42.15 | destinal | s/otg/otg >/ |
| 03:42.56 | destinal | could have been that I didn't have the right modules in my kernel or there was an issue somewhere |
| 03:43.51 | ka6sox | destinal, i think that when I read the usb_gadget code it would seem that if you changed the mode that the resulting status to cause the USB code to crash. |
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| 03:44.33 | kesne | Hello all! |
| 03:44.48 | ka6sox | morning |
| 03:45.29 | ka6sox | s/status to/would |
| 03:46.47 | destinal | ka6sox: ah, good to know. so you need to remove usb_gadet from the kernel first? |
| 03:48.10 | ka6sox | let me look @ how they implement it... |
| 03:48.50 | ka6sox | I need to re-read the code and see what its expecting for status from the TWL (and what changes when you switch modes) |
| 03:51.17 | ka6sox | it may have to do also with these: |
| 03:51.18 | ka6sox | twl4030_usb_set_bits(twl, TWL4030_OTG_CTRL, TWL4030_OTG_CTRL_DRVVBUS); |
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| 04:28.44 | scoutcamper | wants a VZW Pre 2 |
| 04:28.46 | scoutcamper | :D |
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| 04:58.25 | quotemstr | Wait -- wifi doesn't support AES-only WPA2? |
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| 05:05.13 | scoutcamper | ummm quotemstr idk |
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| 05:05.44 | quotemstr | That's a little worrisome considering that attacks exist against TKIP . |
| 05:06.07 | quotemstr | My new Pre (which now has working wifi again!) wouldn't connect to my AES-only network, but as soon as I enabled TKIP, it worked fine. |
| 05:06.41 | scoutcamper | idk rwhitby or egaudet or PuffTheMagic any comment? |
| 05:21.44 | sambodamon | how do I download quick text? http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/quick-text |
| 05:22.08 | sambodamon | must I use NEATO, and if so, where do I get it? |
| 05:30.56 | quotemstr | is insanely happy to have a non-broken Pre again. |
| 05:43.26 | destinal | quotemstr: what was broken? |
| 05:43.53 | quotemstr | destinal: It wouldn't connect --- it complained about an invalid username or password. |
| 05:46.51 | destinal | ah, ok |
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| 05:55.37 | quotemstr | Holy cow, there have been a lot of patches added over the past year. |
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| 06:14.52 | rwhitby | destinal: carrier tarballs include carrier-specific firmware for some of them, and verizon carrier firmware also somehow crippled the GPS to their own navigation software, and there are also services as well as mojo apps. |
| 06:15.08 | rwhitby | carrier-specific modem firmware that is |
| 06:15.34 | rwhitby | they are much much more than just webOS apps. |
| 06:15.57 | quotemstr | I'm shocked, shocked to see Verizon crippling a phone. |
| 06:27.08 | curious1 | I am shocked to see HP go with Verizon for a first release. The sprint pre was palms fault, but the major downfall on the Pre plus is Verizon's. (at least form what i have read. I am sure there are bags of money behind the decision that i dont understand) |
| 06:34.25 | quotemstr | Apparently you can get the Pre Plus to run on Sprint though. |
| 06:34.41 | quotemstr | But if you're going to go through that much trouble, you might as well get a GSM phone. |
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| 08:56.08 | rwhitby | I doubt whether anyone in the public or press knows the real story behind the relationships between HP/Palm and the various US carriers. |
| 08:57.00 | rwhitby | Most people just regurgitate opinions and guesses from tech bloggers without any basis in fact. |
| 08:58.11 | ashi_todd | I get a sweet deal on Sprint, which is why I was happy to learn I could hack a Pre Plus to work on Sprint. |
| 08:58.21 | ashi_todd | My niece works for Sprint. |
| 09:00.19 | ashi_todd | G'night. |
| 09:02.37 | ka6sox | nite |
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| 09:56.13 | quotemstr | So WebOS 2 is available on some phones now. |
| 09:56.25 | quotemstr | But porting efforts have stalled because the kernel source isn't available. |
| 09:56.31 | quotemstr | Isn't that a blatant GPL violation? |
| 09:56.37 | ka6sox | no |
| 09:56.59 | quotemstr | HP is distributing Linux, which is GPLv2d, without the corresponding source code. Yes? |
| 09:57.00 | ka6sox | gpl says you have to request it |
| 09:57.20 | ka6sox | and its been requested. |
| 09:57.20 | quotemstr | GPL says the company can provide a written offer. Have they? |
| 09:57.24 | ka6sox | yes |
| 09:57.30 | quotemstr | Fair enough. |
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| 14:45.55 | hape | Hi |
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| 15:36.05 | GNUtoo|laptop | hi PuffTheMagic |
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| 19:27.49 | thebitguru | Hi, I just ran pdk-device-install and it installed dropbear on the pre, but when I ssh to the device it keeps timing out |
| 19:28.35 | MetaView | over usb? |
| 19:29.03 | thebitguru | installed over usb, but the pre is also connected to the wifi so I was ssh'ing using the wifi ip |
| 19:29.19 | thebitguru | I can successfully ping the ip |
| 19:29.34 | thebitguru | got the ip from a novacom session |
| 19:29.47 | thebitguru | I mean novaterm |
| 19:30.33 | MetaView | the pdk-device-install open the port only for usb connection |
| 19:30.45 | MetaView | please read the docs on palm.com |
| 19:31.09 | thebitguru | MetaView: hmm... my bad. I will go read the docs. Thanks! |
| 19:31.16 | MetaView | :) |
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| 19:31.52 | thebitguru | I have used dropbear through preware and I was thinking that this might be setup similarly :) |
| 19:32.27 | MetaView | no, the setup from palm is different: no keyfile, but password-less access only over usb |
| 19:32.36 | MetaView | http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1973&Itemid=336 |
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| 19:32.46 | MetaView | "note about security" |
| 19:33.28 | thebitguru | yup, I was skimming through that earlier and overlooked that :) |
| 19:34.18 | thebitguru | oh, I didn't know about nova-browser. That's awesome, exactly what I needed :D |
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| 19:45.47 | destinal | MetaView: I never saw this, that's awesome |
| 19:46.29 | destinal | though I don't know why they recommend openssh for devs when novacom is already there |
| 19:47.11 | destinal | maybe their plugins for visual studio and xcode ssh to the device? hmm.. |
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| 19:57.02 | MetaView | hm, is there a plugin for VS which connects to the device? |
| 19:57.08 | MetaView | haven't seen it |
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| 20:26.33 | PuffTheMagic | destinal, scp is way more convent than novacom put |
| 20:26.44 | PuffTheMagic | since scp handles * and -R |
| 20:26.51 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: true |
| 20:26.53 | PuffTheMagic | and doesnt make you name every output file |
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| 20:36.28 | Deceptive | Is it possible to custom rom the Pre? |
| 20:39.11 | ka6sox | what are roms? |
| 20:39.42 | SineOt | ka6sox: I think they mean something along the lines of like, the Cyanogen Roms you'd use on Android. |
| 20:39.51 | SineOt | In which case: No, just patch what you don't like. |
| 20:40.09 | destinal | ka6sox: they're these chips that you can burn with code and put in a cartridge for your atari :) |
| 20:40.46 | ka6sox | oh wait...I have those in my Game boy |
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| 20:40.58 | Deceptive | What about custom themes? |
| 20:41.01 | ka6sox | er rather DS light |
| 20:41.03 | Deceptive | someone keeps askin me |
| 20:41.07 | ka6sox | Deceptive, yes |
| 20:41.12 | ka6sox | themes we gots |
| 20:41.37 | destinal | Deceptive: custom OS installers are copyright violation because you're copying the manufacturar's copyright protected content (whether it be google's or palm's) |
| 20:41.39 | Deceptive | you need preware and it "basically rooted" right? |
| 20:41.49 | Deceptive | oh |
| 20:41.50 | ka6sox | pres don't "root |
| 20:42.02 | ka6sox | they are put in dev mode |
| 20:42.03 | Deceptive | they enable something simular |
| 20:42.09 | destinal | Deceptive: there's "developer mode" . you turn that on, install preware, and you can then do whatever |
| 20:42.09 | Deceptive | which is quite simular |
| 20:42.22 | Deceptive | alright thank you for your help and time |
| 20:42.24 | Deceptive | I sincerely appreciate it |
| 20:42.27 | ka6sox | its with the blessing of Palm |
| 20:42.41 | ka6sox | not like other manufacturers who are "jailbreaking |
| 20:42.44 | ka6sox | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.47 | ka6sox | get things you need |
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| 20:43.04 | Deceptive | do you need to be in dev in order to install themes? |
| 20:43.10 | SineOt | No. |
| 20:43.17 | destinal | Deceptive: have you seen the wiki listed in the topic? |
| 20:43.24 | Deceptive | i will |
| 20:43.32 | destinal | Deceptive: and preware can be used to install themes |
| 20:43.44 | Deceptive | thanks :) |
| 20:44.12 | Deceptive | home brew apps need to be installed with dev mode enabled right? |
| 20:44.29 | SineOt | Nope... |
| 20:44.36 | Deceptive | oh |
| 20:44.42 | Deceptive | alright thanks :) |
| 20:44.47 | Deceptive | much appreciated it |
| 20:44.48 | SineOt | You just need Preware. |
| 20:44.52 | Deceptive | for all your help |
| 20:44.56 | ka6sox | any time |
| 20:44.58 | SineOt | To get that on, you need dev mode-After that you can turn it off |
| 20:45.02 | destinal | Deceptive: dev mode is used to install stuff over USB. you really ony need it on while you install preware but you can turn it off after. (no big reason to so most people don't) |
| 20:45.16 | Deceptive | oh okay |
| 20:45.21 | Deceptive | dev mode dont need on for wifi tethering? |
| 20:45.27 | Deceptive | i wifi tethered one pre so far |
| 20:45.30 | Deceptive | but needed dev mode enabled |
| 20:45.37 | Deceptive | to install over preware |
| 20:45.41 | Deceptive | thanks again |
| 20:45.48 | destinal | ? |
| 20:46.04 | ka6sox | another happy customer |
| 20:46.47 | ka6sox | goes back to gathering stats on how many times preware has been downloaded and how many of each app has been too. |
| 20:47.07 | ka6sox | VBA is #2 so far |
| 20:47.09 | destinal | ka6sox: I'd be curious to know about preware and terminal |
| 20:47.57 | ka6sox | I'm gathering up all that |
| 20:48.00 | ashi_todd | has terminal on quicklaunch |
| 20:48.19 | ka6sox | the poor machine is grunting under the strain of parsing 8GB of logs |
| 20:50.18 | destinal | ashi_todd: I hope people are using it mostly trouble free,I feel bad because I haven't done much on the project for several months |
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| 20:51.06 | destinal | and the other 3 major contributers kind of faded away a while ago |
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| 21:27.37 | rwhitby | notes that all of Deceptive's questions are answered in the Preware Hombrew Documentation app ;) |
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| 21:29.02 | halfhalo | doesn't believe that. That would make it to easy |
| 21:31.00 | ka6sox | ^too easy |
| 21:31.47 | halfhalo | sold that o for soda |
| 21:32.02 | halfhalo | they have great trade in value |
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| 22:16.58 | chrisa | The backup util always seems to run indefinitely. I'm not convinced it actually does anything |
| 22:17.29 | ka6sox | thats scary |
| 22:17.53 | chrisa | ah, and now I see some threads about how it is broken and has no maintainer |
| 22:18.23 | chrisa | Was a sms restore ever figured out? |
| 22:18.39 | bpadalino | not restore, but save .. |
| 22:19.10 | bpadalino | the databases in the backend i think were all associated with unique IDs of contacts.. but those IDs were not necessarily the same every time they were entered |
| 22:19.19 | bpadalino | at least that's what it looked like to me :( |
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| 23:05.07 | rwhitby | chrisa: yeah, that backup util is bad news |
| 23:05.36 | rwhitby | using it to backup is not dangerous (in most cases it just hangs anyway). using it to restore can screw your palm profile. |
| 23:06.05 | rwhitby | save/restore has SMS backup to HTML files, but no restore. Perhaps for 2.0 ... |
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| 23:09.34 | chrisa | I can partly understand why a system would be designed so that backup/restore on messages is difficult due to various contact sources |
| 23:09.53 | chrisa | But it's still frustrating that not even a one off solution was put in place |
| 23:10.07 | chrisa | You always have phone numbers to fall back on |
| 23:10.31 | rwhitby | chrisa: basically, I couldn't find a safe API to insert them back into the mix |
| 23:10.45 | rwhitby | and it was too intertwined to hack |
| 23:11.01 | chrisa | right, the messaging db is horribly overcomplicated |
| 23:12.35 | bpadalino | indeed |
| 23:12.48 | rwhitby | looks better on 2.0 from what I've seen of the schema files in the doctor |
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| 23:35.20 | ben_ | can someone help point me in the right direction... I want like a trash folder or recycle bin for text messages / sms so I don't swipe and delete something that I didn't mean to... its too easy to just swipe and hit delete.... any ideas of how to make it save a copy of the message/conversation somewhere else when i hit delete, or maybe a backup that doesn't require sync and will backup sms messages right after they are receive |
| 23:35.59 | ben_ | even something to send them to like an extra email account for backup purposes or archiving... anything close to any of this?? |
| 23:36.59 | SineOt | have you... accidentally swiped and deleted a lot of stuff? |
| 23:37.08 | SineOt | it should pop up the "Delete/Cancel" thing o_o |
| 23:39.04 | ben_ | not w sms on the pixi |
| 23:39.29 | SineOt | does on mine! |
| 23:39.45 | SineOt | let me check what patches I have installed |
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| 23:40.50 | SineOt | oh, the buttons behind the thing are what I'm talking about |
| 23:52.01 | ben_ | hmm |
| 23:52.18 | ben_ | mine it just swipe, then delete or cancel... |
| 23:52.32 | ben_ | even if it said confirm.... the problem is if i delete the wrong message |
| 23:52.36 | ben_ | i'll still hit confirm |
| 23:52.59 | ben_ | and its like impossible to recover, even w the db file and sqlite... |
| 23:55.52 | SineOt | well... hrm |
| 23:56.06 | SineOt | it'd be easier to just be more careful than to code in some kind of message copy thing :s |
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| 23:59.39 | ben_ | ya but like a month ago when i was trying to figure out how to recover something I thought I came across somethin on the webos internals wiki that was used to like backup all the texts to a memory card or sim card or something like that... i don't remember where it was, just thought it might be a starting point |