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00:32.41destinalrwhitby: hmm, for some reason I thought get.preware was an outdated ipk
00:33.03destinalmaybe it only used to be
00:33.57ka6soxdestinal, the other day it was 10sept2010
00:39.17rwhitbyyes, it's 1.3.8
00:39.30rwhitbyI update it after significant end user usage of a new production version
00:52.55destinalrwhitby: ok, that's new enough then.
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01:34.08PuffTheMagicka6sox, did u ever get around to finishing the app download stats that u were working on, would still like to see what the wirc trends look like
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01:34.49ka6soxPuffTheMagic, nope...too many hours and GB of logs left :(
01:36.17PuffTheMagicka6sox, if you could get me a sample of the logs some time i could write C app that should be able to parse them pull out the stats that might be useful
01:36.28halfhalocan pump through 100k of page hits in 5 seconds
01:37.20halfhaloSave for user agent since the logs I got at work didnt have them
01:39.02halfhaloOh ssd, how I love you
01:40.31SineOtrwhitby: I went with 0.0.0 for my special edition preware, that fine?
01:40.37rwhitbyyep
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02:34.57egaudet`so anyone with a pre2 try to build/run 2.0 kernel yet?
02:38.14rwhitbyegaudet`: not yet.  I only just noticed the 2.0 patch is up
02:39.45egaudet`I built it for pre trying to frankendoctor but pvrsvrkm.ko still complains
02:44.51egaudet`maybe wrong toolchain
02:45.58rwhitbyegaudet`: are you building with the new toolchain?
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02:46.28egaudet`I used cs10 but I guess I should have sued cs09
02:46.43egaudet`s/sued/used/
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02:49.20destinalegaudet`: sounds like we may need newer binary kernel modules :(
02:50.56rwhitbyso, for the 2.0 kernel patches on opensource.palm.com, 48 is 2.0.0 and 54 is 2.0.1
02:51.14rwhitby(you can tell from the ipkg kernel.control file in the rootfs)
02:53.56destinalegaudet`:  in tisgxddk -  ./services4/srvkm/env/linux/module.c:#define DRVNAME"pvrsrvkm"
02:54.24rwhitbydestinal: sysmgr-headers.tar.gz has the NPAPI headers
02:54.36bpadalinoindeed it does
02:54.37destinalrwhitby: wow
02:54.38egaudet`the kernel patches aren't quite complete for building for omap3430
02:54.42egaudet`btw
02:54.53egaudet`http://webos.pastebin.com/embwA0DM
02:54.55rwhitbyegaudet`: I suspect they are Pre 2 patches only
02:54.57egaudet`add that in
02:55.20PuffTheMagicthis really sucks not having a 2.0 device yet
02:55.28egaudet`the kernel boots on the pre
02:55.33bpadalinorwhitby has one
02:55.36bpadalinoso does oil
02:55.59PuffTheMagicand yet that dont change what i said ;)
02:56.17destinalPuffTheMagic: well if we get this kernel going we can all have 2.0 devices right away :)
02:56.43egaudet`I got 5:00 left to download the cs09 toolchain
02:56.49PuffTheMagici dont want to run 2.0 if its gonna be slower than 1.4.5
02:57.08PuffTheMagicegaudet`: u could build one on gentoo faster
02:57.17PuffTheMagicu could built it 10 times over
02:57.38egaudet`10 times in 5 minutes i doubt it
02:58.04egaudet`i meant 5 minutes not 5 hours btw :P
02:58.04rwhitbyPuffTheMagic: have you sent in for a coupon yet?
02:58.13PuffTheMagic5:00 is 5 hours
02:58.42PuffTheMagicrwhitby: ya im under review
02:59.06rwhitbyas soon as you get it, order the device. don't need to wait for me.
03:00.23egaudet`5:00 can also be 5 minutes and 0 seconds :P
03:00.33bpadalinotrue
03:00.57PuffTheMagicnot with out a leading 0:
03:01.05destinalegaudet`: with your patch did you manage to make the powervr driver build?
03:02.21bpadalinowhat do you think Key_Optical is in the qt4 patch ?
03:03.07destinalegaudet`: or wait I misread that patch, where did the TI stuff not build?
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03:03.55PuffTheMagicbpadalino: iris scanner
03:04.10egaudet`destinal, the patch i put up is to get the 2.0 kernel to build for omap3430
03:04.19SineOtbpadalino: optical mouse style center button
03:04.22egaudet`they missed a few ifdefs for OMAP3630
03:04.45rwhitbyegaudet`: you said it booted?
03:04.50egaudet`rwhitby, yes it boots
03:05.13bpadalinoSineOt: ah, you think so ?
03:05.16rwhitbyyou used omap_sirloin_3430_defconfig or omap_sirloin_3630_defconfig ?
03:05.26SineOtbpadalino: it's more likely than an iris scanner :p
03:05.27egaudet`3430, I franken doctor'd to the point of where we were with the 1.4.5 kernel
03:05.31bpadalino:)
03:05.41rwhitbyegaudet`: nice
03:06.04egaudet`now if I can build this pvrsvmkm module
03:07.48rwhitbybbl (lunch)
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03:09.16rwhitbyegaudet`: key_Optical may be optical sensor
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03:13.28destinalegaudet`: any idea what's causing the build to fail?
03:14.10SineOtrwhitby: what do you mean by optical sensor? the ambient light sensor?
03:14.36bpadalinoi guess libsoup is new to the whole shebang ..
03:14.59egaudet`destinal, what build?
03:15.02rwhitbylooks like the cryptofs-patch is reversed
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03:16.00destinalegaudet`: the TI, or have you tried it yet?
03:16.29egaudet`not yet, rebuilding the kernel with cs09q1armel
03:17.19jacquesegaudet`, what are the errors?
03:17.36egaudet`what errors
03:17.47bpadalinoagreed
03:17.50jacques"I built it for pre trying to frankendoctor but pvrsvrkm.ko still complains"
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03:17.57bpadalinorwhitby: agreed on the reverseness of the patch rather
03:18.42egaudetjacques, oh it complains loading the module, symbol version or what not
03:18.47scoutcamperwatches as webos history is made
03:19.02egaudetbut I didn't realize they posted source for that so I'll try to build that module when the kernel is finished building
03:19.12jacquesegaudet, but the errors haven't changed? they still look the same as before the new kernel source?
03:19.21jacquesah ok
03:20.09SineOtso just as an aside, looking at the mentions of the ifdefs for 3430 not being completely in... I take it there's nothing about the MSM2772 or whatever in the Pixi, eh?
03:21.06rwhitbyno, pixi has always had a separate patch
03:21.14egaudetflipping yes, the module builds perfectly too :)
03:21.36destinalcrosses his fingers for module load and luna happiness
03:21.40bpadalinoyay
03:22.08scoutcamperSineOt, is your peware finaled?
03:22.28SineOtscoutcamper: oh, no. I repackaged it to fix any possible versioning issues in the future
03:22.32jacquesis the pvrsvrkm.ko source in the kernel patch or in sgxddk.tgz or somewhere else?
03:22.45SineOtbeen doing school stuff today, probably won't touch it more until late friday
03:22.46destinaljacques: the lgz
03:22.50destinals/lgz/tgz/
03:22.56jacquesheh thanks
03:23.56rwhitbygets lunch to encourage Murphy to smile on egaudet and make it work while I'm away.
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03:36.12rwhitbydidn't work.
03:37.46destinalegaudet: any luck?
03:38.18destinalI should probably set up a crossdev environment here
03:38.47destinalhaven't on this new workstation build yet
03:39.10egaudet:/
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03:40.30egaudetsame ole same ole
03:40.32egaudetLoadNamedWSModule /usr/lib/egl/libeglsubdrv.so
03:40.33egaudetCould not initialize EGL display - are the drivers loaded?
03:41.34destinalegaudet:hmm..  I don't think that's the error I was getting when I tried it last...
03:41.45egaudet.it was what I've always gotten
03:41.50rwhitbyit is
03:42.06egaudet:'( so close
03:43.42rwhitbydo we have source for libeglsubdrv ?
03:44.11PuffTheMagicdestinal, go gentoo!
03:45.09destinalPuffTheMagic: except that my workstation's running OSX and I'd rather avoid a VM
03:45.40destinalis there an ia64/darwin build of the cs stuff?
03:46.00SineOtia64? isn't that for Itanium chips?
03:46.07PuffTheMagicdestinal, can u chroot into linux from bsd?
03:46.24rwhitbydestinal: I use the CS toolchain from the Palm PDK
03:46.45destinalrwhitby: oh right, PDK :)
03:46.50rwhitbybut I've not been successful building a kernel with it
03:46.53egaudetwhat does it mean when ldd seg faults on a .so
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03:47.29destinalSineOt:  correct, should be amd64 rather
03:47.52SineOtdestinal: hah, I was about to ask just what kind of crazy Mac you had found... ;p
03:47.53destinalor whatever intel named their copy of amd64 :)
03:47.58ShaikhWooooo! I got a tweet saying the kernel has been released and the last hurdle for Frankenpre is getting worked on. Is this true?!
03:48.02SineOtx86_64
03:48.17ashi_toddyay
03:48.34ashi_toddshould be all sorted out when my pre 2 arrives in a week... thanks everyone.
03:48.38destinalShaikh: yeah, well, there may be more hurdles :)
03:49.00Shaikhhaha, well at least its one less Hurdle :)
03:49.00Davide_Question: are the audio APIs finally exposed?
03:49.18Jakeeeeeyeah
03:50.35destinalegaudet: have you tried copying EGL libs from castle?  I know it's a shot in the dark..
03:51.04destinalbut I seem to recall I got a different error
03:51.12tmzt_g2rootdestinal: em64t
03:53.13scoutcamperwonders if there will be a 2.0 (pre 2) overclock kernel now
03:54.50egaudetdestinal, it's the first error
03:54.54egaudetbut the error when it crashes is
03:55.01egaudet** (LunaSysMgr:3036): CRITICAL **: FATAL:(TextureSharedCompositingWindow::TextureSharedCompositingWindow(int, int, unsigned int, HostWindowDataOpenGLTextureShared*):66) gc
03:55.28destinalegaudet: ah, yup, and the first error is at that same ioctl I assume?  I just went back and read my pastebin from nov 09
03:56.52egaudetnot sure
03:57.45destinalscoutcamper: it's important to differentiate 1.x from 2.x as being different from castle vs roadrunner (pre2)  .. yeah probably a roadrunner uberkernel can be done but right now we're trying to get 2.0 to work on castle with help from the source from the kernel used on roadrunner in 2.0
03:58.17scoutcamperi know, i am saying it is now possible, not being worked on
03:58.32Jakeeeeeis this 2.0 for castle or roadrunner?> sorry i just kind of fell in the loop
03:58.42rwhitbythere is no 2.0 for castle
03:58.49Jakeeeeeyet?
03:58.53rwhitbythe only stuff released is for roadrunner
03:58.55SineOtcorrect
03:59.03SineOtPalm has said that there will be in the "coming months"
03:59.24Jakeeeeeokay gotcha. so are we just trying to create a custom kernel?
03:59.36rwhitbyThe FrankenDoctor is to run 2.0 on castle
03:59.44SineOttrying to get 2.0 on Castle earlier than in the "coming months" basically
03:59.45JakeeeeeSO intense.
04:01.02Shaikhdoes Castel refer to both pre plus and pre minus?
04:01.13ashi_toddShaikh: yes
04:02.08Shaikhawesome :)
04:02.11SineOtguess what Pixie refers to! :V
04:02.15Shaikhi love you people :)
04:02.23ashi_todd<3
04:02.32Jakeeeeeis the hardest part of switching from roadrunner to castle the difference in processors?
04:02.58scoutcamperJakeeeee, from what i understand, yes
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04:05.29destinalso, what IS libegl, precisely?
04:05.48raebthe opposite of slandegr
04:06.02scoutcamperlib graphics?
04:06.26scoutcamperdestinal, library of graphics
04:06.41destinalscoutcamper: yes I know that much...
04:06.59scoutcamper:D
04:07.20destinalah, from mesa
04:07.25raebEGL™ is an interface between Khronos rendering APIs -OpenGL ES- and the underlying native platform window system.
04:07.30destinalhttp://www.mesa3d.org/
04:08.05scoutcamperdestinal beat me to that link
04:09.35scoutcampernetsplit?
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04:10.33phil_bwwanders by
04:10.58ka6soxmorning phil_bw
04:11.16phil_bwmornin'
04:11.30ka6soxhow goes it/
04:11.32ka6sox?
04:11.39egaudetanyone that has a pre2 can you tell me what the output of lsmod is
04:12.10jacqueshttp://www.khronos.org/egl/
04:12.26rwhitbyegaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/WccgFXv1
04:13.09destinalI don't recognize omaplfb...
04:13.24PuffTheMagichw acclerated fb driver
04:13.36rwhitby-rw-r--r--    1 root     root        16808 Nov 18 11:09 /lib/modules/2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430/tisgxgfx/omaplfb.ko
04:13.38destinalrwhitby: unfortunately libeglsubdrv seems to only exist in webos as near as I can tell
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04:13.57scoutcamperomaplfb=omap level facebook?
04:14.14jacquesI think by definition EGL libs are platform-specific
04:14.23destinalprobably something about a frame buffer
04:14.33scoutcamperor just palm wanted to write their own thing
04:15.28Jakeeeeeframe buffer
04:15.29Jakeeeeelol
04:16.46destinaljacques: hmm,  ./services4/3rdparty/dc_omap3430_linux/omaplfb_displayclass.c:    // Do 1 first to get reverse ordering in egl subdriver (0 first)
04:17.35destinalso clearly libeglsubdrv  is an egl subdriver (I know, genius, right?)
04:17.43jacques:-)
04:18.31jacquesI don't understand the "do 1 first ..." comment at all
04:19.14jacquesordering of what?
04:19.57destinalthe only google hit for "egl subdriver" is palm's libsdl patch where it tries loading it
04:20.35destinalso this must be a fairly unique thing
04:21.53jacquesthat reminds me I want to diff the libsdl patches
04:22.02PuffTheMagicsounds like the subdriver is juse userland access/control for the driver
04:22.44destinalcan we figure out what the ioctl's it's doing to the powervr driver would result in at least, I wonder
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04:25.11destinalowner, unlock, open, release, and mmap
04:25.18jacquesdestinal, luna is doing the ioctls ?
04:25.26Jakeeeeealright i'm out. good luck egaudget, puff, destinal, rod, etc.
04:25.28destinaljacques: yup
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04:25.36destinalI have an strace from a while back
04:26.25Shaikhwhat does the + mean infront of all the important people's names?
04:26.36halfhalotheir important!
04:26.44halfhalo@ means godlike
04:26.50destinalhttp://webos.pastebin.com/VaEL4mWG
04:26.53ShaikhOhhh haha nice
04:27.34destinal#
04:27.35destinalioctl(11, 0xc01c670c, 0x9ebbd2b4)       = -1 EFAULT (Bad address)
04:27.43destinalwhat's ioctl 11?
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04:28.04jacquesdoes that "bad address" mean the address of the ioctl args?
04:28.11destinalegaudet: can you strace your lunasysmgr also to confirm you get the same one?
04:28.38jacquesdestinal, ioctl numbers aren't standardized are they?
04:29.24destinaljacques: all I know is:
04:29.29destinalstatic struct file_operations pvrsrv_fops = {
04:29.30destinal<PROTECTED>
04:29.32destinal<PROTECTED>
04:29.33destinaletc
04:29.37dtzWillthe first parameter is the fd right?
04:30.04dtzWilland googling 0xc01c670c ioctl and the resulting failures suggested a driver/firmware mismatch lats time we looked into it iirc.
04:30.26jacquesdtzWill, yeah I think you're right
04:30.43destinalwhy's it trying to open #
04:30.45destinalopen("/etc/powervr.ini", O_RDONLY)      = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
04:30.45jacquesint ioctl(int fildes, int request, ... /* arg */);
04:30.46destinalanyway?
04:31.24destinalyeah 11 is #
04:31.26jacquesdestinal, maybe you need that file ?
04:31.26destinalopen("/dev/pvrsrvkm", O_RDWR)           = 11
04:31.28destinalin this case
04:31.49jacquesdoes 2.0 image have /etc/powervr.ini ?
04:31.53destinalrwhitby: does your pre2 have a /etc/powervr.ini on it?
04:32.28destinaljacques: it's not always just about what's in the doctor these days, the installer may modify things
04:32.41jacques(it seems to be non-immediately-fatal anyway)
04:33.33jacquesif it is a driver/firmware mismatch, I wonder where he firmware comes from
04:33.58jacquesis it embedded in a driver?
04:35.22rwhitbydestinal: no /etc/powervr.ini
04:35.36dtzWillwas it in /lib/firmware? I forget
04:35.36destinalok, must be optional
04:35.55dtzWillalso i encourage you to google that 2nd parameter and the results were on the first page or so
04:36.00dtzWillmaybe i misinterpreted or something
04:36.08jacquesit could be in /lib/firmware - that would be the proper place
04:36.11dtzWilland/or might be useful to have more people review it, etc
04:36.56egaudetioctl(11, 0xc01c670c, 0x9ec75234)       = -1 EFAULT (Bad address)
04:38.17rwhitbyjacques: http://webos.pastebin.com/3XHunYQy <- /lib/firmware
04:38.33destinalhttp://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/49415-caprice32-opengl-es-2-0/
04:38.54dtzWilldestinal: that was the primary one yes, ty.
04:39.08jacquesgoogling "ioctl 0xc01c670c" returns 9 hits (more than I expected ;-)
04:39.47dtzWillusefully they all seemed related iirc, or more related than one would hope for googling what happens to get the int representation of some ioctl for some random system :D
04:40.33egaudetwell we have the code for pvrsrvkm
04:41.10dtzWilloh sweet deals, i somehow missed that. i for some reason thought the source on opensource was a piece of it, not enough to actually see this call.
04:41.25dtzWillquick someone build a debug version and see if that does anything useful :D
04:41.35dtzWillpretends someone will listen to him
04:41.37dtzWill:P
04:41.53jacquesthat is an interesting thread; talks about kernel being built against matching version of the drivers
04:42.02destinalegaudet built and is running the version he built, but yeah, debug sounds useful :)
04:42.20dtzWilldestinal: oh nice! I maen errr, egaudet oh nice! ;)
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04:45.12destinaldtzWill: right, some of the irc logs others had about this talk about running pvr init
04:45.34destinalmaybe egaudet should build that binary fresh and try running it
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04:46.23destinaldtzWill: I forget now the name of the binary actually but something like that
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04:47.51egaudetwhat binary?
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04:49.22destinalegaudet: there's some shell script called pvr-init and tbh I'm not sure if it has specific firmware loading binaries or whatever in it
04:49.41rwhitbyit's /usr/bin/pvrsrvinit
04:49.57rwhitbyfrom /etc/init.d/rc.pvr
04:50.04jacquesegaudet, did you build omap3430_linux/  or omap3630_linux/ ?
04:50.12dtzWillrwhitby: yes, that's the one. ty :D
04:50.20jacques(I assume omap3430_linux)
04:51.27jacquesthey have different configs for -DSGX_CORE_REV
04:52.12egaudetyeah jacques 3430
04:52.46egaudetI've built the tisgxgfx and dspbridge modules from source
04:53.13jacquesegaudet, and you are using the sgx drivers from 2.0 ?
04:53.17egaudetok debug gave me some info I think
04:53.22egaudet[   55.500000] PVR_K:(Error): BridgedDispatchKM: Initialisation failed.  Driver unusable. [3307, services4/srvkm/bridged/bridged_pvr_bridge.c]
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04:54.23NuttyBunnygreets everyone.
04:54.27dtzWillthe plot thickens!
04:54.36rwhitbyg'day NuttyBunny
04:54.55destinalegaudet: interesting, this TI thread mentions a test script -- http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/omap_applications_processors/f/447/t/40515.aspx
04:55.14destinalgfx_check.sh
04:56.06destinalegaudet: also can you pastebin your log?
04:56.20NuttyBunnyHi Rod, good thing you got home fine :D   Hey, I just read the news, and my Pre+ hasn't arrived yet to help :(
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04:58.17egaudetdestinal, which log
04:58.46egaudet[   16.820000] PVR_K: (FAIL) SGXInit: Mismatch in client-side and KM driver build options; extra options present in KM: (0x1). Please check sgx_options.h
04:59.04dtzWillegaudet: nice find!
04:59.24jacquesyes, nice
04:59.36egaudetwell that's expected with debug I think
04:59.51egaudet[   16.820000] PVR_K:(Error): PVRSRVFinaliseSystem: Failed PVRSRVDevInitCompatCheck call (device index: 0) [421, services4/srvkm/common/pvrsrv.c]
04:59.53egaudet[   16.820000] PVR_K:(Error): BridgedDispatchKM: Initialisation failed.  Driver unusable. [3307, services4/srvkm/bridged/bridged_pvr_bridge.c]
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05:04.00destinalegaudet: this is the omap35x ddk,  is that bad?  is it compatible with 3430?
05:04.47destinalerr nevermind it supports 3430 it seem
05:04.48destinals
05:05.12jacquesI think 34xx and 35xx differ only in packaging
05:05.21jacquesor districution channel ...
05:05.26jacquesdistribution
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05:06.14scoutcamperpoints at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SkyNet
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05:14.17scoutcamper.\/me says Palm Pad(or webos toaster) plus webos 2.0 needs http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SkyNet .
05:15.08scoutcampers/.\/
05:15.17scoutcamperdarn
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05:34.15egaudet<PROTECTED>
05:35.23rwhitbyegaudet: interesting
05:35.26jacquesegaudet, aha, that looks like what I saw before
05:35.40rwhitbyegaudet: 3430 vs 3630 ?
05:36.17egaudetwell I'm building the 3430 software
05:36.42jacquesdiff eurasiacon/build/linux/omap3430_linux/makefile.core eurasiacon/build/linux/omap3630_linux/makefile.core
05:36.44jacques< CORE += -DSGX_CORE_REV=121
05:36.51jacques> CORE += -DSGX_CORE_REV=125
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05:41.56egaudethmm where is it getting sw core rev
05:44.39jacquesSW core rev may be built into the client drivers?
05:45.13egaudethmm looks like it is using services4/system/omap3 and not services4/system/omap3430
05:46.33egaudetwhat does notdir do in makefile
05:46.36egaudet$(notdir ...)
05:47.09jacquesthat sounds like a rwhitby question :-)
05:47.57rwhitbyExtracts all but the directory-part of each file name
05:48.11rwhitbyit's like basename on a list
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05:50.04egaudethmm may have found it
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05:53.38scoutcamperwatches his irc window with anticipation of a win :D
05:53.58Suruathello anyone here?
05:54.06scoutcamperSuruat, yes
05:54.08ka6soxlets see...ypu
05:54.11ka6soxer yup
05:54.21Suruatsweet!!!
05:54.22egaudethmm nope
05:54.39scoutcamperegaudet, u arent here or it didnt work?
05:54.47SuruatI have not used IRC for like 7 months
05:54.50egaudetdidn't work
05:55.06scoutcamperegaudet, :(
05:55.42dgathrightDoing some writing and want to make sure I have some terminology down correctly.  Is it fair to call Luna the webOS window manager?
05:56.18rwhitbydgathright: close enough for non-technical folk
05:56.35dgathrightAnd really, it's just a chromeless Webkit, right?
05:57.04NuttyBunnytakes out his matraca... Go Team Go! :D
05:57.42ka6soxegaudet, what module is giving you fits?
05:57.52egaudetpvrsrvkm
05:58.14egaudetI -think- this is our barrier to frankendoctor
05:58.18oileach card is like a tab in a browser
06:01.29ka6soxit looks like the beagleboard folks have had some success..but against 2.6.27
06:06.45oilquit: false, PuffTheMagic should look into that in wirc
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06:07.40oilit happens when the connection is lost, like being on irc on a sprint pre and getting a phone call
06:08.00oili can't find it anywhere in mojo, so its got to be in the plugin
06:08.04PuffTheMagic?
06:08.12oil* Suruat has quit (Quit: false)
06:08.17oilit sends "false"
06:08.30oilthe gui even gets it
06:08.41PuffTheMagicthat could be frenode sending it not the client
06:09.21oili never see it with any other client :/
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06:10.31PuffTheMagici thought we fixed this
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06:11.20oillike i said, its not in mojo
06:11.55rwhitbyhmm - mojodb partition is actually 144MB
06:12.23PuffTheMagicoil, well its isnt really a bug as much as a lack of some lame default
06:12.30oilok
06:12.34oilsorry for saying its a bug
06:12.40oilit would be nice if the lame default was changed though
06:13.13oilor allow the lame default to be set by the gui
06:13.30rwhitbythen the gui can have it's own lame default :)
06:13.35oilright
06:13.46oilor use the values we already have a preference for
06:15.31PuffTheMagicwell this sounds like in the C code when i parse the json from the gui
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06:15.47PuffTheMagici create empty vars to store the to be parsed value
06:15.52PuffTheMagicso if its still false
06:16.00oillike i said, its not coming from the gui :/
06:16.02PuffTheMagicthen the gui is sending the wrong key most likely
06:16.09PuffTheMagicwell it coming from C
06:16.19halfhaloblames oil
06:16.22PuffTheMagicbecause its not getting the right json pair from mojo
06:16.34PuffTheMagicso its both places issues really
06:16.38PuffTheMagicand/or both places fix
06:16.38ka6soxpoor oil...its not from him but he is still getting blamed
06:16.49oilits impossible for me to have discussions anymore :/
06:16.58ka6soxno kidding!
06:17.01PuffTheMagicim not saying it oils fault
06:17.20PuffTheMagicjust that its most likely equally mojo and C's fault
06:17.22ka6soxframes this : <PuffTheMagic>im not saying it oils fault
06:17.27halfhaloActually, I though I gave oil a patch to fix it, so I am blaming him :p
06:17.36oilits not from the gui...
06:17.53ka6soxthats a signoff message?
06:17.55oilshould i keep saying it?
06:18.08ka6sox<oil>its not from the gui...
06:18.08scoutcamper~oil
06:18.09infobotwell, oil is the breaker of wirc
06:18.09ka6sox<oil>its not from the gui...
06:18.20ka6soxthere I have said it.
06:18.22egaudetQGestureManager::deliverEvent: could not find the target for gesture
06:18.24mugen-oh god... what have i walked into
06:18.24ka6sox(ofor him)
06:18.32PuffTheMagicoil, yes the gui is not sending "false"... but if C is expecting part_msg:"value" and mojo is sending part_message:"value" where is the issue?
06:18.45oilthe part is not coming from the gui!
06:19.01ka6soxthere is an echo in here.
06:19.03halfhalohasnt been paying attention since he is watching tv
06:19.07oilits not initiated by the gui in any way
06:19.11scoutcamper~oil
06:19.11infobotoil is, like, the breaker of wirc
06:19.20PuffTheMagiclol
06:19.23mugen-haha
06:19.29scoutcamper:D
06:19.33rwhitbyegaudet: you're further?
06:19.45ka6soxoil, that sounds like the C app not knowing how to deal with NO signoff message
06:20.01oilit happens when the conenction to the netwrok is lost
06:20.11oilive seen it when i get a call while wircing over 3g
06:20.16scoutcamperoil, make a boom, action time plugin for wirc :D
06:20.22mugen-can't we all just get along
06:20.26egaudetrwhitby, well I removed the check for the rev and it stopped giving us those errors but it clearly is not right.  though luna doesn't crash
06:20.32halfhalohas a habit of blaming oil then right after coming back and saying wirc the best mobile irc. Because it is. And android irc sucks
06:20.38egaudetit's not drawing anything
06:20.40oilit NEVER, i repeat, NEVER happens when the gui intiiates the part or quit
06:20.47ka6soxoil, where aer we seeing that message.
06:20.48Tibfibbut it's always oil's fault.
06:21.35ka6soxwierd...have we seen it on any other network? or only on freenode?
06:21.47oilim never on another network
06:22.02rwhitbyis over the "it's oil's fault" thing
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06:22.21ka6soxokay, I'll have to try it on my own network.
06:22.27ka6soxafter I get a pre2
06:22.39halfhaloeven admits its getting old
06:22.54oilthe plugin even sends the quit: false message to the gui when it happens
06:23.04oili saw "oil has quit: false" in the channel
06:23.10oilin wirc
06:24.04halfhaloIf I knew anyc I would totally look
06:24.06ka6soxeverything after quit: is the signoff message, usually from the client
06:24.29oilthe gui isn't initiating the quit though
06:24.52oildoesnt know why he bothers trying to get anything done anymore :/
06:24.53oilbbl
06:25.00mugen-how is it that a room full of developers are arguing over what or what it doesn't do
06:25.14SineOtmugen-: magic
06:25.23mugen-i don't buy it :P
06:25.26scoutcampermugen-, because we all know its oil s fault
06:25.37mugen-geez, give the guy a break
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06:26.26halfhaloimposes a ban on the blaming of oil
06:26.37SineOtsigns off and seconds said ban
06:27.24scoutcampersays its just a quit message, and aggrees its not oil s fault, and its a quit message, not the Apocalypse
06:28.28SuruatIs it possible to stay signed into a single palm profile from multiple devices?
06:28.48SineOtSuruat: no, whatever other devices you have will wipe themselves when you log into a new device
06:29.30PuffTheMagicthe problem is i either hardcode a quit message
06:29.50PuffTheMagicor i pass the output of the json parser right into the function
06:29.54scoutcamperPuffTheMagic, just make it say WIRC
06:30.06SineOtor say "Oops, got a call"
06:30.08PuffTheMagicscoutcamper, if i knew where it was coming from i could
06:30.15scoutcamperor boom, action time
06:30.38PuffTheMagiclike i said, i dont see a place where a temp var is use that initialized to 0 or false
06:31.15ka6soxPuffTheMagic, its probabably a filler because there isn't *any* message.
06:31.19ka6soxits NULL.
06:31.59PuffTheMagicka6sox, that would only happen if the gui didnt send anything
06:32.10PuffTheMagicevery place i look i see a hardcoded default
06:32.25ka6soxright...like when it abends by disconnecting
06:33.26PuffTheMagicirc_cmd_quit(servers[i].session, "wIRC closed");
06:33.54PuffTheMagichow am i supposed to set a message when there is a timeout and the server does the disconnecting
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06:34.18ka6soxwhat we need to see is to capture what the last message from the server is.
06:34.31scoutcamperPuffTheMagic, hard code it, then post on the wiki to tell others how to change it
06:34.47SineOtif the server was doing the disconnecting I don't think it'd be Quit: false... wouldn't it be listed as a Ping time: 265 or Connection Closed by Peer?
06:34.49PuffTheMagicscoutcamper, HARD CODE IT WHERE?
06:35.03PuffTheMagicgo look at the code
06:35.10scoutcampergoes to look
06:36.07ka6soxPuffTheMagic, if the gui isn't sending it and the C isn't sending it then we need the last thing that the server sent you.
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06:36.40ka6soxremind me not to get fort worth, charter cable service
06:36.54scoutcamperPuffTheMagic, in mirc it is alias quit {
06:36.54scoutcamper<PROTECTED>
06:36.54scoutcamper<PROTECTED>
06:36.54scoutcamper}
06:37.07PuffTheMagiclook at wIRC code
06:37.08PuffTheMagicnot mirc
06:37.17PuffTheMagic:/
06:37.24Suruatdoes anyone know why I keep getting diconnected? (Suruat quit: false)
06:37.49scoutcamperPuffTheMagic, i know, im looking for reference
06:37.50PuffTheMagicSuruat, your connection sucks?
06:37.55ka6soxSuruat, that has been the subject of discussion for the last hour.
06:38.23PuffTheMagicSuruat, are u using someone elses nick an are the ghosting u?
06:38.24Suruat@PuffTheMagic LOL maybe
06:38.58Suruat@Ka6sox hmm sux
06:39.17PuffTheMagicSuruat, is your current nick registered to you?
06:39.37scoutcamperSuruat, r u getting phone calls?
06:39.50mugen-Suruat, I know what you did last summer...
06:40.16scoutcamperPuffTheMagic, i give up ...
06:40.55scoutcamperhas limited knowledge of C, but is learning more as fast as he can
06:41.40mugen-not fast enough damnit!
06:41.43mugen-<PROTECTED>
06:41.43Suruat*nice
06:43.28mugen-i'm looking at all the states north of me... god i'd hate to be up there right now
06:43.37mugen-even seattle is getting nailed... 15 degree
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06:43.40mugen-degrees
06:46.14mugen-maybe some bash.org quotes will cheer everyone up
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06:53.36egaudetnight
06:53.48mugen-nn
06:53.56scoutcamperegaudet, good luck on franken doc tommorow
06:54.13ka6soxnite
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07:06.51swisstomcatmorning
07:06.52PuffTheMagic2df74121 (Ryan Hope   2010-06-03 20:17:07 -0400  554)   plugin.cmd_quit(servers.getServerArrayKey(this.id), false);
07:06.58PuffTheMagic^^^ git blame says it was my fault
07:07.06PuffTheMagicbut it was in the mojo ;)
07:07.37oillol
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07:08.21PuffTheMagicso that prob should not use the normal part message from the cookie prefs
07:08.27PuffTheMagicbut
07:08.43PuffTheMagicwhy is the server getting the message if they are "disrupted"
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07:10.46mugen-alright... so i came in late to the discussion... i'm checking out the code right now
07:11.11PuffTheMagicwe found where the problem is
07:11.18PuffTheMagicchanging the message is easy
07:11.29PuffTheMagicbut the real bug is why the message is being sent
07:11.54PuffTheMagicits coming from code where we detect if the connection has dropped
07:11.59PuffTheMagicor if the IP has changed
07:12.09mugen-k
07:12.13swisstomcatdoes wIRC work on 2.0.1?
07:12.17PuffTheMagicso maybe the threshold for timeout is not longenough
07:12.23oilit works on 2.0, dont see why it wouldn't work on .1
07:12.25PuffTheMagicswisstomcat, JTops says it does
07:12.37swisstomcatcool, i'll test it
07:13.00mugen-how long is the timeout right now?
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07:13.23mugen-sorry... i'm up to speed in the code yet
07:14.27PuffTheMagicahh
07:14.35PuffTheMagicwe dont have a threshold set actually
07:14.41PuffTheMagicas soon as we get an event
07:14.42PuffTheMagicconnectionInfo.isInternetConnectionAvailable
07:14.46PuffTheMagic!connectionInfo.isInternetConnectionAvailable
07:14.58PuffTheMagicwe send the disrupted signal
07:15.12PuffTheMagicso we should prob use a timer or ometing
07:15.25PuffTheMagicand give it a chance to comeback with the old IP
07:15.40halfhalo255 seconds?
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07:16.04PuffTheMagicwe used to use a timer it looks like
07:16.06mugen-give it 3 tries at exponential timeout periods
07:16.08PuffTheMagicbut i commented that out
07:16.17PuffTheMagicand simplified it
07:16.29PuffTheMagicbecause it was not working right
07:16.30mugen-start at 60s and scale it
07:16.36PuffTheMagicno
07:16.43PuffTheMagicjust gonna add a prefs option for it
07:16.47PuffTheMagicand let users pickw hat they want
07:17.02mugen-it's such an irrelevant option tho :P
07:17.28PuffTheMagicso then most people will never need to change what ever default i put in there
07:17.39PuffTheMagicno need to make some crazy adaptive algo to do this
07:17.46PuffTheMagicbased on nothing
07:17.46GollyzilaMay I ask what you guys are working on right now?
07:17.56PuffTheMagicwhen  an arbitrary value based on nothing is easier
07:17.59mugen-crazy adaptive algo?
07:18.00mugen-lol
07:18.37PuffTheMagicGollyzila, an oversight in wirc
07:19.12GollyzilaOkee dokee, thanks.
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07:27.07PuffTheMagicoil, does JS have mutexes?
07:27.15PuffTheMagicor a way to create locks and prevent races?
07:27.55oilits single threaded
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07:30.15oilhey, its Kyusaku
07:30.37Kyusakuhey oil what's happening
07:30.41rwhitbyattempts to build a Pre 2 kernel
07:30.44oilnot much
07:30.49rwhitbyhey Kyusaku
07:31.52Kyusakuhey Rod, I see even the flight back to Australia doesn't phase you for a minute
07:32.17rwhitbysweet, patch applied
07:32.22oillol
07:33.31rwhitbycompiles uber-kernel-pre2 on the bus on the way home from work
07:33.37oilhaha
07:33.57Shaikhhow goes the Franken pre research?
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07:34.04oilpaused for sleep?
07:34.27rwhitbyShaikh: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt
07:34.39ShaikhThank you Good Sir!
07:48.30Shaikh"<egaudet> pvrsrvkm Nov 24 06:05:46 <egaudet> I -think- this is our barrier to frankendoctor" Does this mean no more Frankendoctor?
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07:49.21rwhitbythat's the latest barrier
07:50.08SineOtg'night everyone
07:50.16ShaikhAhh, does it seem breakable? Or will we have to wait for Palm to release more code?
07:50.57rwhitbyno idea
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07:51.11torchiewhat's the barrier to frankendoctor
07:51.12torchiewhat's goin on
07:51.28rwhitbybbl
07:51.32Shaikh<PROTECTED>
07:51.49Shaikhand the smart folks are working on it
07:51.55Shaikhbut
07:52.14Shaikhwell I dont know whats going on haha, im here to find out whats going on just like you
07:52.19torchiesomething to do with the powerVR?
07:54.17ShaikhRod said he has no idea if/when this barrier can be broken, that worries me a little lol
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07:56.35dgathrightSomeone register isthefrankenprereadyyet.com
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08:17.11ice8lueHeyho! the 2.0 kernel source is out? :D
08:19.09swisstomcatyeah
08:21.30ice8lueso the frankendoc work can finally be pushed forward?
08:23.02swisstomcatdunno
08:24.03ice8luexD kk
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09:08.14Shaikhegaudet, are you here?
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09:38.04ShaikhHow many people are still active here?
10:28.32MetaView1
10:28.52MetaView:) there are more
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10:29.06MetaViewbut most of them are sleeping right now
10:29.26MetaViewoh, seems me too
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10:44.47ice8lueegaudet are you online?
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12:34.40shabbyGood Mornin!
12:37.04shabbyhow is the Frankenpre coming along??
12:39.10swisstomcatdunno
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12:40.50shabbywell i know about the new barrier, is it weakening? lol. I am sadly quite impatient about webOS 2.0. It has been hyped up way too much lol
12:41.43shabbyAlso Id like to be considered to test it out if/when you guys need testers haha
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13:46.54Ice8lueegaudet are you there?
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14:36.45raeb...frankendoc?
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14:56.25pcworldAny progress on FrankenDoctor? I saw kernel source is available now
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15:04.18Rick_workThey were working on it last night but not done
15:07.42pcworldthanks for info
15:07.45Rick_workthere were 360 patches posted in the kernal 2.0 material, and they were packaged differently than palm used to.  Hp has different standards.
15:08.21Rick_workThis is not going to be a one-night patch thing.  Expect it to take a bit.  We're talking Godling level hacking here.
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15:14.02pcworldBut I'm sure they'll get it done! :)
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15:18.13prewareisawesomeHopefully they will get it done! (I am assuming your talking about franken pre?) hows it looking?
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15:20.10pcworld"<Rick_work> They were working on it last night but not done" "<Rick_work> there were 360 patches posted in the kernal 2.0 material, and they were packaged differently than palm used to. &nbsp;Hp has different standards." "<Rick_work> This is not going to
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15:21.00PuffTheMagicRick_work, are the new kernel patches broken-out?
15:21.13PuffTheMagicto the contain a series file that can be imported with quilt?
15:22.56PuffTheMagichmm just 2 patches
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15:26.51egaudetmorning
15:27.03PuffTheMagicmorn
15:27.04pcworldevening ;)
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15:33.25Ice8luemorning^
15:34.09rlopinGood morning. Has anyone got Navit to work on the Pre2?
15:34.21egaudet_workso I think we'd need to reverse the PVR libs in order for frakenpre to work
15:34.37PuffTheMagicreverse them?
15:34.41egaudet_workspecifically I think maybe /usr/lib/libsrv_init.so and /usr/lib/libsrv_um.so
15:34.44PuffTheMagicisnt that in that sgz package?
15:34.57egaudet_workI don't see any client libs in it, I'll look again
15:35.20PuffTheMagicwell on the other size of it
15:35.25PuffTheMagicnow that we have the kernel patch
15:35.39PuffTheMagiccant we just include the kernel symbols from the new patch into the olderone
15:35.42PuffTheMagicvia UK
15:35.44PuffTheMagicor something
15:35.52egaudet_workI've already built a new kernel, new modules etc...
15:36.11PuffTheMagicand whats the issue
15:36.16PuffTheMagicwitht hat route
15:36.18egaudet_workwhich is good because we can get debugging in the pvr kernel module
15:36.36egaudet_workbut the userspace libs use a different (newer, for 3630 i guess?) PVR rev
15:37.10PuffTheMagicand they dont work on the old pre?
15:37.24egaudet_workright
15:37.29PuffTheMagicsegfault?
15:37.37egaudet_workno
15:37.52PuffTheMagicin what way do they not work
15:37.52egaudet_workthe first thing that the pvr km complains about is the rev mismatch
15:37.59egaudet_work1.2.1 (HW) vs. 1.2.5 (client-side)
15:38.27PuffTheMagicso cant we rebuild the a module and change that to match?
15:38.47PuffTheMagicor hexedit ;)
15:39.11egaudet_workso even if I skip that rev check to get further, nothing draws right.  It tries to draw after luna starts and nothing but a small bar of nothingness at the top
15:39.34destinalegaudet_work: can we get a different version of the ddk?
15:39.55PuffTheMagicegaudet_work, this is OLD luna running new kernel
15:39.57PuffTheMagicor
15:40.02egaudet_worknew everything
15:40.21PuffTheMagicwhat from 1.4.5 is injected into this imaeg?
15:40.26PuffTheMagicimage
15:40.30PuffTheMagicfrankenimage
15:40.32egaudet_workdestinal: not sure, but do the pre and pre2 have different GPUs?
15:40.35PuffTheMagicit cant all be new
15:40.39destinalegaudet_work: also as a sanity check have you tried building all this stuff and running it in 1.4.5 and trying opengl-es stuff?
15:40.48PuffTheMagicthey are the same for all intent and purposes
15:41.17destinaljust to make sure there aren't other issues..
15:41.23egaudet_workPuffTheMagic: the built kernel and modules
15:41.25egaudet_workare injected
15:42.18egaudet_workI briefly tried building the omap3630 version of the ddk but it was really late so I may have messed it up
15:42.46PuffTheMagicegaudet_work, sound like there are some ifdefs that still need to be dealt with in the kernel
15:43.03PuffTheMagicsomething isnt getting initialized correctly
15:43.33PuffTheMagicor maybe not evenn ifdefs
15:43.38PuffTheMagicit could be runtime conditionals
15:44.08egaudet_workPuffTheMagic: there are a few places they missed ifdefs, I patched it though and the kernel boots and runs fine
15:44.28PuffTheMagicruns fine till u use the ddx
15:44.59egaudet_workdon't think it's a problem with the kernel though
15:45.04PuffTheMagici guess im brining the dev pre home for thanksgiving
15:45.34PuffTheMagicegaudet_work, kernel problem or userland is like different sides of same coin
15:45.40PuffTheMagic1 problem - 2 ways to fix it
15:45.49PuffTheMagicwe have source for kernel so that is prob the best way to fix it
15:47.06egaudet_workI don't know what you mean anymore
15:47.20destinalegaudet_work: I think the best way to check the kernel and ddk against a known state is to try it on 1.4.5.
15:47.22egaudet_workit's the module
15:47.55egaudet_workdestinal: yeah that's a good idea
15:48.33destinalI can try tonight, though maybe someone will have time before then
15:51.05Ice8lueis it possible to install the new kernel into a runing 1.4.5 like the uberkernel?
15:51.18Ice8luenot now but technically possible
15:51.19PuffTheMagicu wont gain anything from that
15:54.21Ice8luewas just interesting^
15:55.35destinalPuffTheMagic: well, he won't gain anything from it, but it would be a good smoke test for us :)
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16:00.14Ice8lue^^
16:01.01destinalIce8lue: though at this time we don't need additional victims :)
16:01.13Ice8luetoo bad^
16:02.17destinalsince we have dev castles it'll be easier to debug locally  -- anyone with kernel hacking or graphics driver experience would be really helpful though.
16:03.11Ice8luehm yeah...but don't have one of those abillities...
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16:05.20pcworldIf you got it running on a Pre+, would it complicated to get it running on a Pre-?
16:05.33pcworld*be complicated
16:07.46PuffTheMagicdestinal, i will be playing a lil witht his over the weekend
16:08.16PuffTheMagicthe testing kernel instructions should enable fbcon by default though
16:08.57destinalpcworld:  Anything we get working on pre should work on pre/pre+  -- AFAIK they're the exact same board with different flash & RAM chips installed
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16:09.43pcworldthank you
16:10.40haperlopin: did you testet Navit on aPre2. Would be interested in the results if you did.
16:11.04haperlopin: noradtux said it could work as it is an arm7 too
16:13.21rlopinhape: I switched over to #webos to ask the question. In the process of trying to get a response.
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16:15.48swisstomcati can test navit, hape
16:16.04haperlopin: I do not know of anyone that has tested it. But we can ask somebod to do it
16:16.08hapeswisstomcat: ;-) Thnaks
16:16.45hapeswisstomcat: How do you got a Pre2 to Autria? Do you was at the the Developer day?
16:17.03hapes/Austria/Swiss/
16:17.05swisstomcati got one through webos-internals .. developer device
16:17.19halfhalothinks it was money well spent
16:17.21Ice8lueswisstomcat: now i'm jealous^
16:17.37en0xswisstomcat: and u dont develop shit :P
16:17.49swisstomcathalfhalo: i hope i can live up to the expectations :)
16:17.58swisstomcaten0x: hehe .. but i'm propaganda minister
16:18.01halfhaloknows swiss will
16:18.02en0x;]
16:18.04hapeswisstomcat: well done. Thanks for testing Navit on it
16:18.16swisstomcatnavit installs cleanly
16:18.36swisstomcaten0x: i've just translated govnah to german .. does that count? :)
16:18.56halfhaloSee, if I was using webos, I would not find myself in this current predicament when my phone is brokked due to a bad rom flash
16:19.01halfhalocurse you android!
16:19.11en0xswisstomcat: did u use google translate? :P
16:19.19swisstomcatof course
16:19.25en0xswisstomcat: then it does ;D
16:19.48Ice8luemh juts btw. if there's a need for german translations, i'm in ;)
16:19.49swisstomcathape: it starts and displays some stuff
16:20.05swisstomcatice8lue: you can review if i translated it correctly
16:20.48Ice8luesure =)
16:21.17swisstomcathttp://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/govnah.git;a=summary
16:21.47halfhaloTHIS ROM STUFF CONFUZLES ME!
16:21.55swisstomcathape: seems it works but i have to download the map data first
16:22.35en0xswisstomcat: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/govnah.git;a=blobdiff;f=app/assistants/main-assistant.js;h=89b28a360fbb7462f42bcd446956b124d080fb0d;hp=4752695d55343aa24e5268a41f69a4c0992520e6;hb=620c39fde06429a4c1b46015efe9fb495574acf0;hpb=3aeeab9b9b8d1b174d313d790e8c0cf001beabd2 how's this different? :S
16:22.58swisstomcati removed the // :)
16:23.09swisstomcatask the one who put it there
16:23.41en0xlol
16:23.41en0x;]
16:23.48en0xepic
16:25.34rlopinhape: I am testing Navit now. I had no GPS inside my house so moved to a window to get a clear line of site to the sku
16:25.38rlopinsky
16:27.56rlopinhape: please go to the #webos channel. I have started an ongoing discussion about Navit on the Pre2 (unlocked, GSM, no SIM)
16:31.41PuffTheMagicnavit has never worked for me
16:31.47PuffTheMagici try it every time there is an update
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16:36.45en0xtoo many wircers here :S
16:40.32rlopinPuffTheMagic: Navit never worked for me on my Pre-minus either. I was hoping things would be better on the Pre2.
16:40.48en0xit worked for me fine
16:40.55en0xbut sprint nav is good enough for me
16:41.44rlopinex0x: Sprint nav is fantastic when you've got good cell coverage. But I was traveling in the boonies and lost cell tower contact. Not a pretty feeling.
16:42.01rlopinNo cell tower, no maps.
16:42.38rlopinen0x: Did you download and use a pre-built map (.bin) from OpenStreet?
16:42.47en0xyes
16:43.40PuffTheMagicwas that part of the directions that i did not read?
16:44.01rlopinen0x: I did the same for the entire USA. Didn't work. So I generated my own .bin for the NorthEast. Still no luck. Log file says: "PDL_ServiceCallWithCallback failed
16:44.02rlopinmap_binfile:map_binfile_open:Failed to load media/internal/appdata/org.webosinternals.navit//maps/*.bin'
16:44.02rlopinnavit:main_real"
16:44.06swisstomcatyou need to download and install the map data
16:44.17swisstomcathmmm
16:44.30PuffTheMagicthat woudl explain things
16:44.40PuffTheMagicbut its the maps are free why does it not download them for u
16:44.58raebits up to you to select how much map data you want to download
16:45.17rlopinWebOS-internals Wiki has instruction on how to download and install maps. I followed the instructions precisely.
16:45.19destinalprobably the whole world's map data would be immense :)
16:45.44rlopinIt is 3GB, but Pre2 has 16GB so no biggie. I then just downloaded northeast map. Still have issue.
16:45.53swisstomcathmm
16:46.02swisstomcati have the map data but the map doesn't show in the main screen
16:46.09Loudergooddo you have a gps lock?
16:46.13rlopinswisstomcat: exactly the issue I have
16:46.20swisstomcathow to debug?
16:46.22Loudergoodthere aren't any roads at 0,0
16:46.29rlopinI just downloaded MapTools out of Preware and it showed a GPS lock within 1-2 minutes
16:46.41rlopinNavit shows the blue dot now -- but no map is rendering underneath it
16:46.48swisstomcathmm
16:47.07LoudergoodI have a verizon phone...so my gps experience has not been pleasant.
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16:47.30PuffTheMagicraeb, are u saying that is the app couldnt give us the option to pick how much map data we want?
16:48.06raebgood point
16:48.24swisstomcatyou can choose how much data you want in the map builder
16:48.30swisstomcatthe swiss map is 148mb
16:48.57rlopinFor Navit you have to manually download and drop the map file into the maps folder the Navit app creates on the media internal partition.
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16:51.35swisstomcathow can i/we help to debug the "problem" with navit?
16:53.03Ice8lueswisstomcat: there are some lines in the govnah strings i would chande
16:53.06Ice8lue*change
16:53.12swisstomcatgo ahead
16:53.26Ice8luemh just write them here?
16:53.42swisstomcator shoot me an email, mleut@yahoo.com
16:53.50swisstomcati was not 100% sure on some terms
16:54.00Ice8lueok, will mail them to you
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16:55.35rlopinSwisstomcat: Here is a screen capture I just took: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25465833@N02/5204071611/
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17:04.58Ice8luebtw, is it possible for everyone to commit to these git sources?
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17:35.23linuxjacquesanyone recall if verizon blocks port 22 ?
17:35.44halfhaloI don't think so..
17:36.08linuxjacquescool
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17:50.27rlopinswisstomcat: was able to make the failed log entry for the map go away by renaming the map from "osm_bbox_-125.4,24.3,-66.5,49.3.bin" to "usa.bin". Now encountered a second error in log file related to some unknown key symbol in the navit.xml file "vehicle_webos:vehicle_webos_open:PDL_ServiceCallWithCallback failed
17:50.27rlopinnavit:main_real:Using '/media/internal/appdata/org.webosinternals.navit//navit.xml'
17:50.27rlopingraphics_sdl:graphics_sdl_idle:Unknown key sym: e7
17:50.27rlopinnavit"
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18:10.09destinalwhoa ameng?
18:10.12destinal~seen ameng
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19:13.45GarthPSfor those under linux intersted about some info about novacom here is what I juste have by mail with an HP/Palm developer relation agent : "The Novacom that’s included in the webOS 2.0 beta SDK in our Early Access program should be able to talk to the Pre 2 from Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X.  You can get access by mailing pdc@palm.com and agreeing to a NDA."
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19:16.40SineOtSince there's no Novacom that can talk to a Pre2 in the SFR doctor, right?
19:18.07GarthPSSineOt: not completely! I have been further about this point :)
19:18.24SineOtEr, I mean no novacom for Linux!
19:18.36SineOtThere's a Novacom Pre2 for Windows/OSX, but not linux.
19:19.06GarthPSSineOt: underlinux yes. it is dead right know but I succeded to do it under windows xp by manualy extracting the novacom installer and install it, then I was ably to used webos doctor under xp
19:19.59GarthPSSineOt: yeah right
19:33.06SineOti386, or i386 (1) D:
19:33.09SineOtwhat is the difference :C
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19:49.34mugen-o\ all
19:52.43SineOthey mugen-
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19:54.10mugen-god resident evil afterlife was good :D
19:55.36SineOtyou're making me want to go see a movie :B
19:55.41SineOtat the awesome 21+ theater
19:55.48destinal~seen lemketron
19:55.55infobotlemketron <~lemketron@palm-64-28-152-131.palm.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 63d 19h 23m 37s ago, saying: 'wasn't that the first pdk that appeared, before ours?'.
19:55.55SineOtwith leather seats and a full bar in the theater lol
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20:00.45mugen-lol
20:00.49mugen-full bar, eh?
20:01.06SineOtyeah, it's pretty nice
20:01.13mugen-where's this at?
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20:01.20SineOtAnaheim Garden Walk
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20:01.26mugen-ahaa
20:01.47SineOtthere's a theater around here that has a bar right across the walk way from it with a good happy hour...
20:02.05SineOtAlpha & Omega 3D while tipsy for free? yessssss
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20:13.01spdsktrhey everyone
20:13.05SineOthey
20:14.34spdsktrso, wanted to report an odd thing on the Franken-Pre for Rod
20:14.54spdsktrwe ended up swapping it back, but now the device (which has no catalog access now), is downloading apps on it's own
20:14.56swisstomcathey james
20:15.05spdsktrhey marcus, missed you last weekend!
20:15.10swisstomcatnew apps?
20:15.23swisstomcatyeah, i was bummed too that i couldn't come .. oh well
20:15.23spdsktrHot Babes, Asian Girls, and AccuWeather
20:15.30swisstomcatodd?
20:15.33spdsktrthe first 2 I have never downloaded on any profile and did not know existed
20:15.46spdsktrthe latter I have on my Sprint Pre
20:15.46swisstomcatnow we know your secret ;)
20:15.59spdsktrtell me about it... but, it is freaking me out actually
20:16.07swisstomcatyeah, really weird
20:16.20spdsktrI mean, it has NO catalog access right now at all, but somehow installing these apps entirely on it's own
20:16.43spdsktrif it had catalog access, I would shrug it off as someone playing with it and accidentally installing, but not possibke
20:17.11swisstomcathmm
20:17.31swisstomcatmessed up install history?
20:18.01SineOtyeah, my guess would be that somewhere along the line the Palm servers got to thinking that you had, at one point, purchased/installed those
20:18.13spdsktrpossibly, but never did fully log into my profile on the device
20:18.35spdsktrended up with a new profile on device, and my original profile was never updated to 2.0
20:18.58spdsktrit did get reset in a sense, as soon as I got home, it said I was logged out of my profile, rebooted and reset (Sprint Pre)
20:19.12spdsktr2 hours later, did it again and did a complete wipe, but everything back to normal
20:19.25swisstomcatbah, i've seen that message like 3 times already on my dev pixi
20:19.27swisstomcatit sucks
20:20.21spdsktrI wonder if Dieter logged into that profile he created on a diff device and downloaded apps that it is then simultaneously downloading to mine?
20:20.45swisstomcatoh
20:21.07swisstomcathe was using your profile (then new one for the frankenpre2)?
20:21.13spdsktrI had to scamper off for my preso when they created the new profile, so I was not present for that
20:21.58spdsktrand I know dieter used a P|C email for it, and had to know the password -- so maybe he logged into it on his dev Pre 2 he got there?
20:22.54oil:/
20:23.29swisstomcatso we know dieter's secret now :)
20:23.34halfhalohahahahaha
20:23.34spdsktrlol
20:24.03swisstomcatasian babes, huh
20:24.37spdsktrand hot babes
20:25.04spdsktrI'm worried about my wife seeing them on the device... imagine me trying to explain it having a mind of it's own!
20:25.30swisstomcatyeah
20:26.03oil"i swear, it was just a popup"
20:26.23spdsktrlol
20:26.46oilthen this shows up in the mail: http://www.sextoy.com/prod_info.php?a=glove&pnum=PD8612-00
20:27.05spdsktrI shot Dieter an email, see if he is using the profile else where. If so, then I can relax knowing they are just linked somehow
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20:29.31spdsktrso any internals members need an AT&T Pre for dev? With my new Pre 2, and old SPrint Pre, I have too many devices
20:30.15ka6soxspdsktr, yep...
20:30.33SineOtI'm sitting here waiting for my AT&T Pre to get here, actually. :p
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20:30.43SineOtStupid UPS...
20:31.06spdsktrgot it the day before Dev Day, then got my Pre 2 a few days later
20:31.08swisstomcati also have a gsm pre to give away
20:31.32SineOt(Palm almost sent me two of them, even)
20:32.08spdsktrGot that second email too, like they entirely missed my first one
20:32.17spdsktrbut I do know someone who got 2 devices from it
20:33.08SineOtheh
20:33.27SineOtthe did miss my two emails originally asking about the dev device program... took almost 3 weeks to hear back :p
20:34.23oilhas one of each device BUT a pre plus
20:34.41SineOtso wait, you've got a pixi, and a pixi plus, but no pre plus?
20:35.04oilno, no pixi minus
20:35.06swisstomcatpixi plus,2 pre-,pre plus,pre2
20:35.09oilnot so good for dev without service
20:35.39SineOt... oh yeah, huh
20:36.01oilpixi+, two pre- (one is my main phone), and a pre2
20:37.33Ice8luespdsktr: yeah, really could need one =)
20:37.52swisstomcatice8lue: you can have my gsm pre-
20:38.06swisstomcats/can/could
20:38.12oilreally could need one?
20:38.15Ice8lueswisstomcat: really? that would be awesome!
20:38.16oilsomething is wrong with that sentence, lol
20:39.03spdsktra gsm Pre - eh?
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20:39.08swisstomcatyeah
20:39.33Ice8luethe pre- i'm using at the moment is...well it suffered from some dev experiments^
20:39.48swisstomcathehe
20:40.01swisstomcatshipping should not be too expensive to germany
20:40.34Ice8luefrom swiss? no i think that should be like austria right?
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20:41.54spdsktrheh, Dieter said " Can't recall. I might have" o_O
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20:42.28SineOthe obviously doesn't want to admit to downloading hot babes and asian girls
20:42.37Ice8luexD
20:43.33swisstomcathehe
20:43.39swisstomcatice8lue: should be cheap
20:44.08Ice8lueswisstomcat: what do u want for it?
20:44.16Ice8luebtw, did u get the translations?
20:44.29swisstomcatice8lue: yeah, got them ... i'll update govnah .. thank you
20:44.44swisstomcatice8lue: i have to check with webos-internals .. are you a member?
20:44.53Ice8luekk thank you
20:45.00Ice8luemh no=/
20:45.39Ice8luebut i'd like to be
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20:46.51summatusmentisis there a particular way to "join" w-i?
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20:49.05oilsummatusmentis: do something awesome?
20:49.15torchieinitiation ritual
20:49.27swisstomcatblood brotherhood
20:49.27oilits a meritocracy
20:49.39summatusmentisah, that's sorta what I assumed
20:49.46Ice8lueblood brotherhodd xD
20:49.51summatusmentisI didn't know if there was an official registration thing or whatever
20:49.59halfhaloThere is
20:50.04oilthere is no formmail or anything xD
20:50.05halfhaloit involves mailing me a check
20:50.18halfhaloand/or cookies
20:50.43Breadwinkammm cookies
20:50.48summatusmentiswaits for his precentral cookies to expire, and mails them to halfhalo
20:51.21Ice8luecould offer warm brownies, baken just seconds ago^
20:53.29Breadwinka^^^ Jealous
20:53.44halfhalohas del taco in his immediate future
20:53.58Ice8lue;) you're free to check by and get some^
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21:08.04Ice8luemay i could join you?
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21:18.09Ice8lueyay, i love python. now i can use my pre as a controller for my mediacenter
21:18.19Ice8luejust too bad it doesnt have infrared
21:18.31SineOtwhat do you use for your media center?
21:19.12Ice8luei transfered a netbook into a nice little alu case and it's running xbmc now
21:19.59SineOtwhy not Boxee, why Xbmc?
21:20.19Ice8luewell, i just love the new UI
21:20.46Ice8lueit supports lots of formats, has some nice tools in it
21:21.57SineOt(Boxee is built on XBMC)
21:22.01SineOthow'd you do the controller?
21:22.24hapeswisstomcat: Did Navit start on you Pre2?
21:22.47Ice8luei wrote a plugin in python which acts as a server. the client runs on the pre and sends its commancs via wifi
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21:27.27Ice8lueis just looking at the boxee page...and my netbook is soooooo lame... ;)
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21:27.45bloodykill12does anyone know how to download preware?
21:28.37ashi_toddlol
21:29.09halfhalostill not the record
21:31.06Ice8luebloodykill12: http://get.preware.org/ download the installer or install the ipk via webos quickinstall
21:31.17Ice8lueoh, he's already off
21:31.30swisstomcathape: yeah, it did
21:32.00swisstomcathape: but the map was not displayed
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21:36.10NuttyBunnyHi everyone, have I missed anything interesting since this morning? :)
21:37.08SineOtcool
21:37.30SineOtlol... Ice8lue, what netbook is it? I run boxee on mine, it's just your bog standard 1.6ghz Atom chip
21:37.33swisstomcatnuttybunny: nothing interesting .. palmpad aside
21:37.51Ice8lueno its an 1,3GHz atom Z520
21:38.11SineOthas some trouble with 720p but I never expected that to play fine anyways
21:38.11Ice8lueor 570?
21:38.11halfhalomy watch runs faster than that...
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21:38.11Ice8lueoh ya^
21:38.11SineOtah, one of the like ultra low low power Atom chips
21:38.13Ice8lueya
21:38.20Ice8lueeeepc 1201ha
21:38.30NuttyBunnyok,  checking the log right now.. :) thanks swisstomcat
21:38.52swisstomcatmore rumours about the palmpad
21:39.10SineOtI <3 my Wind U100... the one button overclock is nice ;)
21:39.17SineOtbumps it up to 1.93ghz
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21:41.09Ice8luewel...in theory mine does overclocking too^
21:41.17SineOtoil: can I be part of w-i based solely on my preware on drugs theme? XD
21:41.56swisstomcathehe
21:44.52Ice8lueSineOt: Boxee looks cool =)
21:45.05SineOtyeah, I really like it... it's pretty nifty
21:45.09Ice8luelet's see if i can control that too via that plugin
21:46.31SineOtyou should be able to, it's based on xmbc so they should be mostly compatible
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21:47.41SineOtI've been thinking about maybe making a Boxee remote if I can figure out how :x
21:48.00SineOtsince when I have my Mini hooked up to the TV it's annoying to have a keyboard hooked up
21:48.18Ice8luei know...had my netbook on TV before
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21:49.10SineOthttp://developer.boxee.tv/Remote_Control_Interface
21:49.38SineOtI might give it a try later after my dev Pre gets here, since my Pixi lacks wifi
21:50.41swisstomcatgoodn8
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21:51.10daltonj82I have a question I put in the feed like thw wiki says for the development kernals and it's coming up with errors what's the feed for the development kernals?
21:52.22rwhitbyIt's on the Testing_Feeds wiki page
21:52.32Ice8luehttp://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds#Kernel_Testing_Feeds
21:52.37Ice8luefollow these steps
21:53.14daltonj82ok I'll try it again thanks
21:53.18Ice8luenp
21:54.28scoutcamperSineOt, did you finish it? why not send to oil or rwhitby to package into next preware
21:54.47SineOtscoutcamper: not yet no, probably will wrap it up this weekend
21:54.59SineOtgoing to spend tonight cooking for tomorrow :p
21:55.09scoutcamper:D i dont do that till tommorow :D
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21:55.27daltonj82preware.is.awsome.com/ that's the feed I put in and it comes up with a error
21:55.32SineOtwe've got a few dishes that can be made ahead of time so it shouldn't really be an issue
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21:55.48SineOtsaves time for tomorrow to relax :D
21:56.24scoutcampereh, all my dishes dont take long, could prolly cook the whole thing in 2hrs, except the turkey of course :D
21:56.54oilidk
21:56.55oilhttp://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/269202-apps-do-you-want-themed-2.html#post2768325
21:57.02oilthat guy is doing a good job too :)
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21:57.49spdsktrrwhitby: did you see my notes earlier about the FrankenPre2 side effect?
21:58.22SineOtthat looks awesome :<
21:58.30SineOtsuddenly feels ashamed :<
21:59.53Ice8luedaltonj82: did you reboot the device right after entering that?
22:00.04daltonj82yes
22:00.43Ice8luethats strange, always worked for me.... which preware version do u use?
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22:02.21daltonj82the newest one I just installed it
22:02.33Ice8luestrange...
22:02.37egaudetSineOt, there's a boxee remote for webOS already
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22:02.52SineOtthere is? man, now I'm double ashamed wtf
22:02.59Ice8luedo you have a pre or pixi?
22:03.14egaudetpre
22:03.18SineOtPixi, but I'll have a dev Pre later today when UPS decides to show up :p
22:03.25daltonj82pre
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22:11.32rwhitbydaltonj82: check the name of the feed - it has to match exactly
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22:14.47simzzhi
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22:15.01simzzi was wondering if the root tutorials out there were correct
22:15.17simzzbecause they do not look like they are fit for webos 1.45
22:15.24simzzand that is what i run on my pre
22:16.23Ice8lueor try to enter http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/
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22:16.43simzz_sorry, my browser just crashed...
22:16.48sepi-prewhat's the best way to start a process and communicate with it using stdio on webos? do I need to create a java service for this?
22:17.39Ice8luesimzz: there's no rooting as for android
22:17.46Ice8luewebos is open by default
22:17.56simzz_what about file structure
22:18.06simzz_i know you can plug it in and go to usb mode
22:18.40Ice8luewell you can use novaterm or ssh to connect to the root filesys
22:18.51simzz_is there anything i need to do to my pre to be able to do this
22:18.52simzz_http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/internalz
22:19.08Ice8lueor internalz from the pre itself, yes
22:19.16Ice8lueno you just need preware installed
22:19.23simzz_how would i do that?
22:19.51Ice8luehttp://get.preware.org/ download the installer or install the ipk via webos quickinstall
22:20.17simzz_i have installed homebrew apps before, but this one says root is required
22:20.44Ice8luemaybe you have to turn on devmode?
22:20.49simzz_and what is this about? http://www.everythingpre.com/forum/threads/how-to-root-the-pre.17285/ is that just ssh/novcom access
22:20.52simzz_?
22:21.27SineOtit's all WAY outdated
22:21.29SineOtthere is no root
22:21.37SineOtjust enable dev mode and everything is fine
22:21.38simzz_ok thanks
22:21.44simzz_one last thing
22:22.05simzz_you are probably biased about preware, but filecoaster also looks cool
22:22.13simzz_it doesn't work though
22:22.20simzz_do you know why?
22:22.29SineOtit's way old and no longer developed? :p
22:22.37simzz_thats what i thought
22:22.47Ice8luepreware is the standard
22:22.48Breadwinkaya preware is pretty much all you need
22:22.55Ice8lueand does all that too, though
22:22.56simzz_but a week ago i tried, and it just showed the loading sign forever
22:23.07simzz_and now it has a timed out message
22:23.11Ice8lueit takes a while to load
22:23.32Ice8luesometimes it looses connection for me
22:23.33SineOtit's pretty telling when the precoder.net site for Filecoaster takes you to a domain parking page
22:24.26simzz_trying filecaster again...
22:24.32simzz_says
22:24.36simzz_an error occured
22:24.47Ice8lueya it's outdated
22:24.48simzz_exception: timeout
22:24.56SineOtsimzz_: just get preware... preware is already supporting webOS 2.0, filecoaster isn't even working on 1.4.5 apparently
22:24.57simzz_ok thanks
22:25.01SineOtyou'll save yourself a lot of headaches
22:25.08simzz_guess i'll just stick to preware
22:25.25Ice8lueright decision^
22:25.30simzz_i have used it before
22:25.38simzz_it was a little hard to use though
22:25.45simzz_not really hard
22:25.52simzz_but unorganized a bit
22:26.03Breadwinkahow is it unorganized?
22:26.34SineOtBreadwinka: it's easy to get lost if you don't know exactly what it is you're looking for... but it's basically the same problem as the official app catalog
22:27.11simzz_yeah
22:27.24simzz_its a little cleaner in the official
22:27.39simzz_but preware still is nice, i'll give you credit, its a great app
22:28.09SineOtsimzz_: my advice, is just start with the categories and skim around. it all makes sense soon enough, and after you get over the initial hump, it's easier to just look at the new items to keep up to date on what's out there since it's way slower moving than the official app catalog
22:28.41simzz_thanks for the help
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22:32.55Ice8lue_ok guys, will go to sleep now (arround midnight over here). gn8 everyone!
22:33.22ka6sox-awaynn
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22:56.46rwhitbyspdsktr: will catch you about franken side in about 20 mins
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23:07.52spdsktrrwhitby: sure thing, no biggie, just freaking me out
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23:11.17egaudetmeh the ddk doesn't work on 1.4.5
23:12.07destinalegaudet: ah, ok, then at least we're clearly Doing Something Wrong.
23:12.09destinalgood to know
23:12.42destinal(or the source code is in error or isn't compatible with castle)
23:13.33destinalegaudet: same issue on castle?  and did you try with both palm stock and new source kernel with the new ddk?
23:14.18egaudetI didn't try the new kernel on 1.4.5
23:14.42egaudetI get what seems to be a similar issue but there's less debugging info
23:15.00egaudetI think it skips some init part, there's no libsrv_init.so in 1.4.5 but there is in 2.0
23:16.27destinalmaybe we should hit up some of the other open source omap communities to try and learn from their experiences in getting the ddk working.  looks like the beagleboard guys have messed with it, for one.
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23:16.43destinalor I guess we could try TI forums..
23:17.06rwhitbyspdsktr: ok, can you give me a summary now?
23:17.14ka6sox-awaydestinal, ya, I was looking last night @ the beagleboard ml's
23:17.40spdsktrthe Pre 2 is auto-magically downloading apps on it's own -- same condition it was in when you handed it back to me
23:18.04spdsktrnot activated, activation bypassed, no catalog bypass -- yet 3 apps have now installed themselves
23:18.08destinalwow
23:18.10destinallol
23:18.19spdsktrerr, no catalog access
23:18.35destinalspdsktr: which apps?
23:18.50spdsktrHot Girls, AccuWeather, and Asian Girls
23:19.08spdsktrHot Girls and Asian girls are not on my profile
23:19.40destinalit would be very interesting to trace the palm update service traffic when this happens. hmm
23:19.42rwhitbyspdsktr: oh, I added those to the download queue database to try and get you in trouble with your wife
23:19.54rwhitbyj/k
23:19.57spdsktrrwhitby: yeah, thanks for that :P
23:20.17spdsktrI just am trying to figure out HOW to explain to her that my Pre 2 has a mind of it's own
23:20.23destinalspdsktr: your pre2's just expressing its individual tastes.
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23:20.38spdsktrdestinal: I should take it drinking then, prollya  good wingman
23:21.03spdsktrI asked Dieter if he used that profile you guys created, and yes he thinks he put it on that pre-prod unit, but swears he has not downloaded those apps
23:21.19rwhitbyspdsktr: can you open the backup app and see if there is a profile listed in the app menu there
23:22.07spdsktrrwhitby: why yes, there is! idk the password tho
23:23.19spdsktrnot listing an email address
23:24.45rwhitbyspdsktr: see /msg
23:25.49destinalegaudet: hmm, beagleboard's only $125 on digikey now.  tempted to grab one to work on my low level omap and powervr experience   (and of course to try loading webos on it :) )
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23:35.40destinalegaudet: alas, not in stock anywhere right now, it seems.
23:37.20rwhitbywow, Palm listed my presentation before Phil McKinney's: http://blog.palm.com/palm/2010/11/devdaynyc.html
23:38.43rwhitbySo, anyone see the Firesheep port to webOS?  I'm wondering how he's snooping the data.
23:39.04rwhitbyhttp://www.precentral.net/firesheep-ported-webos-now-anyone-pre-can-steal-your-passwords-video
23:39.25bhern33i did :)
23:40.48destinalbhern: hey!
23:40.56destinalrwhitby: yeah I saw it too but haven't grabbed it yet.   sounds like the wifi chip would have to have monitor mode for this to work, IIRC
23:41.23rwhitbydestinal: that's what I thought.  the fso guys have a wifi driver rewrite, but I didn't think they had monitor working yet.
23:41.43rwhitbybhern: g'day
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23:44.27bherni'm curious to tinker with that if anyone does get their hands on it
23:47.00rwhitbybhern: yeah, I'm going to reach out to them to get info, and maybe to get it in Preware with a front-end.  I know that destinal and jhojho are keen to get everything working over SSL only
23:51.40bherni suspect i know what they're doing but i'd like to see it just the same
23:51.49bhernplus... it'd be a handy tool :)
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