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00:32.41 | destinal | rwhitby: hmm, for some reason I thought get.preware was an outdated ipk |
00:33.03 | destinal | maybe it only used to be |
00:33.57 | ka6sox | destinal, the other day it was 10sept2010 |
00:39.17 | rwhitby | yes, it's 1.3.8 |
00:39.30 | rwhitby | I update it after significant end user usage of a new production version |
00:52.55 | destinal | rwhitby: ok, that's new enough then. |
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01:34.08 | PuffTheMagic | ka6sox, did u ever get around to finishing the app download stats that u were working on, would still like to see what the wirc trends look like |
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01:34.49 | ka6sox | PuffTheMagic, nope...too many hours and GB of logs left :( |
01:36.17 | PuffTheMagic | ka6sox, if you could get me a sample of the logs some time i could write C app that should be able to parse them pull out the stats that might be useful |
01:36.28 | halfhalo | can pump through 100k of page hits in 5 seconds |
01:37.20 | halfhalo | Save for user agent since the logs I got at work didnt have them |
01:39.02 | halfhalo | Oh ssd, how I love you |
01:40.31 | SineOt | rwhitby: I went with 0.0.0 for my special edition preware, that fine? |
01:40.37 | rwhitby | yep |
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02:34.57 | egaudet` | so anyone with a pre2 try to build/run 2.0 kernel yet? |
02:38.14 | rwhitby | egaudet`: not yet. I only just noticed the 2.0 patch is up |
02:39.45 | egaudet` | I built it for pre trying to frankendoctor but pvrsvrkm.ko still complains |
02:44.51 | egaudet` | maybe wrong toolchain |
02:45.58 | rwhitby | egaudet`: are you building with the new toolchain? |
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02:46.28 | egaudet` | I used cs10 but I guess I should have sued cs09 |
02:46.43 | egaudet` | s/sued/used/ |
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02:49.20 | destinal | egaudet`: sounds like we may need newer binary kernel modules :( |
02:50.56 | rwhitby | so, for the 2.0 kernel patches on opensource.palm.com, 48 is 2.0.0 and 54 is 2.0.1 |
02:51.14 | rwhitby | (you can tell from the ipkg kernel.control file in the rootfs) |
02:53.56 | destinal | egaudet`: in tisgxddk - ./services4/srvkm/env/linux/module.c:#define DRVNAME"pvrsrvkm" |
02:54.24 | rwhitby | destinal: sysmgr-headers.tar.gz has the NPAPI headers |
02:54.36 | bpadalino | indeed it does |
02:54.37 | destinal | rwhitby: wow |
02:54.38 | egaudet` | the kernel patches aren't quite complete for building for omap3430 |
02:54.42 | egaudet` | btw |
02:54.53 | egaudet` | http://webos.pastebin.com/embwA0DM |
02:54.55 | rwhitby | egaudet`: I suspect they are Pre 2 patches only |
02:54.57 | egaudet` | add that in |
02:55.20 | PuffTheMagic | this really sucks not having a 2.0 device yet |
02:55.28 | egaudet` | the kernel boots on the pre |
02:55.33 | bpadalino | rwhitby has one |
02:55.36 | bpadalino | so does oil |
02:55.59 | PuffTheMagic | and yet that dont change what i said ;) |
02:56.17 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: well if we get this kernel going we can all have 2.0 devices right away :) |
02:56.43 | egaudet` | I got 5:00 left to download the cs09 toolchain |
02:56.49 | PuffTheMagic | i dont want to run 2.0 if its gonna be slower than 1.4.5 |
02:57.08 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet`: u could build one on gentoo faster |
02:57.17 | PuffTheMagic | u could built it 10 times over |
02:57.38 | egaudet` | 10 times in 5 minutes i doubt it |
02:58.04 | egaudet` | i meant 5 minutes not 5 hours btw :P |
02:58.04 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: have you sent in for a coupon yet? |
02:58.13 | PuffTheMagic | 5:00 is 5 hours |
02:58.42 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: ya im under review |
02:59.06 | rwhitby | as soon as you get it, order the device. don't need to wait for me. |
03:00.23 | egaudet` | 5:00 can also be 5 minutes and 0 seconds :P |
03:00.33 | bpadalino | true |
03:00.57 | PuffTheMagic | not with out a leading 0: |
03:01.05 | destinal | egaudet`: with your patch did you manage to make the powervr driver build? |
03:02.21 | bpadalino | what do you think Key_Optical is in the qt4 patch ? |
03:03.07 | destinal | egaudet`: or wait I misread that patch, where did the TI stuff not build? |
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03:03.55 | PuffTheMagic | bpadalino: iris scanner |
03:04.10 | egaudet` | destinal, the patch i put up is to get the 2.0 kernel to build for omap3430 |
03:04.19 | SineOt | bpadalino: optical mouse style center button |
03:04.22 | egaudet` | they missed a few ifdefs for OMAP3630 |
03:04.45 | rwhitby | egaudet`: you said it booted? |
03:04.50 | egaudet` | rwhitby, yes it boots |
03:05.13 | bpadalino | SineOt: ah, you think so ? |
03:05.16 | rwhitby | you used omap_sirloin_3430_defconfig or omap_sirloin_3630_defconfig ? |
03:05.26 | SineOt | bpadalino: it's more likely than an iris scanner :p |
03:05.27 | egaudet` | 3430, I franken doctor'd to the point of where we were with the 1.4.5 kernel |
03:05.31 | bpadalino | :) |
03:05.41 | rwhitby | egaudet`: nice |
03:06.04 | egaudet` | now if I can build this pvrsvmkm module |
03:07.48 | rwhitby | bbl (lunch) |
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03:09.16 | rwhitby | egaudet`: key_Optical may be optical sensor |
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03:13.28 | destinal | egaudet`: any idea what's causing the build to fail? |
03:14.10 | SineOt | rwhitby: what do you mean by optical sensor? the ambient light sensor? |
03:14.36 | bpadalino | i guess libsoup is new to the whole shebang .. |
03:14.59 | egaudet` | destinal, what build? |
03:15.02 | rwhitby | looks like the cryptofs-patch is reversed |
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03:16.00 | destinal | egaudet`: the TI, or have you tried it yet? |
03:16.29 | egaudet` | not yet, rebuilding the kernel with cs09q1armel |
03:17.19 | jacques | egaudet`, what are the errors? |
03:17.36 | egaudet` | what errors |
03:17.47 | bpadalino | agreed |
03:17.50 | jacques | "I built it for pre trying to frankendoctor but pvrsvrkm.ko still complains" |
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03:17.57 | bpadalino | rwhitby: agreed on the reverseness of the patch rather |
03:18.42 | egaudet | jacques, oh it complains loading the module, symbol version or what not |
03:18.47 | scoutcamper | watches as webos history is made |
03:19.02 | egaudet | but I didn't realize they posted source for that so I'll try to build that module when the kernel is finished building |
03:19.12 | jacques | egaudet, but the errors haven't changed? they still look the same as before the new kernel source? |
03:19.21 | jacques | ah ok |
03:20.09 | SineOt | so just as an aside, looking at the mentions of the ifdefs for 3430 not being completely in... I take it there's nothing about the MSM2772 or whatever in the Pixi, eh? |
03:21.06 | rwhitby | no, pixi has always had a separate patch |
03:21.14 | egaudet | flipping yes, the module builds perfectly too :) |
03:21.36 | destinal | crosses his fingers for module load and luna happiness |
03:21.40 | bpadalino | yay |
03:22.08 | scoutcamper | SineOt, is your peware finaled? |
03:22.28 | SineOt | scoutcamper: oh, no. I repackaged it to fix any possible versioning issues in the future |
03:22.32 | jacques | is the pvrsvrkm.ko source in the kernel patch or in sgxddk.tgz or somewhere else? |
03:22.45 | SineOt | been doing school stuff today, probably won't touch it more until late friday |
03:22.46 | destinal | jacques: the lgz |
03:22.50 | destinal | s/lgz/tgz/ |
03:22.56 | jacques | heh thanks |
03:23.56 | rwhitby | gets lunch to encourage Murphy to smile on egaudet and make it work while I'm away. |
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03:26.14 | scoutcamper | lol! |
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03:36.12 | rwhitby | didn't work. |
03:37.46 | destinal | egaudet: any luck? |
03:38.18 | destinal | I should probably set up a crossdev environment here |
03:38.47 | destinal | haven't on this new workstation build yet |
03:39.10 | egaudet | :/ |
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03:40.30 | egaudet | same ole same ole |
03:40.32 | egaudet | LoadNamedWSModule /usr/lib/egl/libeglsubdrv.so |
03:40.33 | egaudet | Could not initialize EGL display - are the drivers loaded? |
03:41.34 | destinal | egaudet:hmm.. I don't think that's the error I was getting when I tried it last... |
03:41.45 | egaudet | .it was what I've always gotten |
03:41.50 | rwhitby | it is |
03:42.06 | egaudet | :'( so close |
03:43.42 | rwhitby | do we have source for libeglsubdrv ? |
03:44.11 | PuffTheMagic | destinal, go gentoo! |
03:45.09 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: except that my workstation's running OSX and I'd rather avoid a VM |
03:45.40 | destinal | is there an ia64/darwin build of the cs stuff? |
03:46.00 | SineOt | ia64? isn't that for Itanium chips? |
03:46.07 | PuffTheMagic | destinal, can u chroot into linux from bsd? |
03:46.24 | rwhitby | destinal: I use the CS toolchain from the Palm PDK |
03:46.45 | destinal | rwhitby: oh right, PDK :) |
03:46.50 | rwhitby | but I've not been successful building a kernel with it |
03:46.53 | egaudet | what does it mean when ldd seg faults on a .so |
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03:47.29 | destinal | SineOt: correct, should be amd64 rather |
03:47.52 | SineOt | destinal: hah, I was about to ask just what kind of crazy Mac you had found... ;p |
03:47.53 | destinal | or whatever intel named their copy of amd64 :) |
03:47.58 | Shaikh | Wooooo! I got a tweet saying the kernel has been released and the last hurdle for Frankenpre is getting worked on. Is this true?! |
03:48.02 | SineOt | x86_64 |
03:48.17 | ashi_todd | yay |
03:48.34 | ashi_todd | should be all sorted out when my pre 2 arrives in a week... thanks everyone. |
03:48.38 | destinal | Shaikh: yeah, well, there may be more hurdles :) |
03:49.00 | Shaikh | haha, well at least its one less Hurdle :) |
03:49.00 | Davide_ | Question: are the audio APIs finally exposed? |
03:49.18 | Jakeeeee | yeah |
03:50.35 | destinal | egaudet: have you tried copying EGL libs from castle? I know it's a shot in the dark.. |
03:51.04 | destinal | but I seem to recall I got a different error |
03:51.12 | tmzt_g2root | destinal: em64t |
03:53.13 | scoutcamper | wonders if there will be a 2.0 (pre 2) overclock kernel now |
03:54.50 | egaudet | destinal, it's the first error |
03:54.54 | egaudet | but the error when it crashes is |
03:55.01 | egaudet | ** (LunaSysMgr:3036): CRITICAL **: FATAL:(TextureSharedCompositingWindow::TextureSharedCompositingWindow(int, int, unsigned int, HostWindowDataOpenGLTextureShared*):66) gc |
03:55.28 | destinal | egaudet: ah, yup, and the first error is at that same ioctl I assume? I just went back and read my pastebin from nov 09 |
03:56.52 | egaudet | not sure |
03:57.45 | destinal | scoutcamper: it's important to differentiate 1.x from 2.x as being different from castle vs roadrunner (pre2) .. yeah probably a roadrunner uberkernel can be done but right now we're trying to get 2.0 to work on castle with help from the source from the kernel used on roadrunner in 2.0 |
03:58.17 | scoutcamper | i know, i am saying it is now possible, not being worked on |
03:58.32 | Jakeeeee | is this 2.0 for castle or roadrunner?> sorry i just kind of fell in the loop |
03:58.42 | rwhitby | there is no 2.0 for castle |
03:58.49 | Jakeeeee | yet? |
03:58.53 | rwhitby | the only stuff released is for roadrunner |
03:58.55 | SineOt | correct |
03:59.03 | SineOt | Palm has said that there will be in the "coming months" |
03:59.24 | Jakeeeee | okay gotcha. so are we just trying to create a custom kernel? |
03:59.36 | rwhitby | The FrankenDoctor is to run 2.0 on castle |
03:59.44 | SineOt | trying to get 2.0 on Castle earlier than in the "coming months" basically |
03:59.45 | Jakeeeee | SO intense. |
04:01.02 | Shaikh | does Castel refer to both pre plus and pre minus? |
04:01.13 | ashi_todd | Shaikh: yes |
04:02.08 | Shaikh | awesome :) |
04:02.11 | SineOt | guess what Pixie refers to! :V |
04:02.15 | Shaikh | i love you people :) |
04:02.23 | ashi_todd | <3 |
04:02.32 | Jakeeeee | is the hardest part of switching from roadrunner to castle the difference in processors? |
04:02.58 | scoutcamper | Jakeeeee, from what i understand, yes |
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04:05.29 | destinal | so, what IS libegl, precisely? |
04:05.48 | raeb | the opposite of slandegr |
04:06.02 | scoutcamper | lib graphics? |
04:06.26 | scoutcamper | destinal, library of graphics |
04:06.41 | destinal | scoutcamper: yes I know that much... |
04:06.59 | scoutcamper | :D |
04:07.20 | destinal | ah, from mesa |
04:07.25 | raeb | EGL™ is an interface between Khronos rendering APIs -OpenGL ES- and the underlying native platform window system. |
04:07.30 | destinal | http://www.mesa3d.org/ |
04:08.05 | scoutcamper | destinal beat me to that link |
04:09.35 | scoutcamper | netsplit? |
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04:10.33 | phil_bw | wanders by |
04:10.58 | ka6sox | morning phil_bw |
04:11.16 | phil_bw | mornin' |
04:11.30 | ka6sox | how goes it/ |
04:11.32 | ka6sox | ? |
04:11.39 | egaudet | anyone that has a pre2 can you tell me what the output of lsmod is |
04:12.10 | jacques | http://www.khronos.org/egl/ |
04:12.26 | rwhitby | egaudet: http://webos.pastebin.com/WccgFXv1 |
04:13.09 | destinal | I don't recognize omaplfb... |
04:13.24 | PuffTheMagic | hw acclerated fb driver |
04:13.36 | rwhitby | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16808 Nov 18 11:09 /lib/modules/2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430/tisgxgfx/omaplfb.ko |
04:13.38 | destinal | rwhitby: unfortunately libeglsubdrv seems to only exist in webos as near as I can tell |
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04:13.57 | scoutcamper | omaplfb=omap level facebook? |
04:14.14 | jacques | I think by definition EGL libs are platform-specific |
04:14.23 | destinal | probably something about a frame buffer |
04:14.33 | scoutcamper | or just palm wanted to write their own thing |
04:15.28 | Jakeeeee | frame buffer |
04:15.29 | Jakeeeee | lol |
04:16.46 | destinal | jacques: hmm, ./services4/3rdparty/dc_omap3430_linux/omaplfb_displayclass.c: // Do 1 first to get reverse ordering in egl subdriver (0 first) |
04:17.35 | destinal | so clearly libeglsubdrv is an egl subdriver (I know, genius, right?) |
04:17.43 | jacques | :-) |
04:18.31 | jacques | I don't understand the "do 1 first ..." comment at all |
04:19.14 | jacques | ordering of what? |
04:19.57 | destinal | the only google hit for "egl subdriver" is palm's libsdl patch where it tries loading it |
04:20.35 | destinal | so this must be a fairly unique thing |
04:21.53 | jacques | that reminds me I want to diff the libsdl patches |
04:22.02 | PuffTheMagic | sounds like the subdriver is juse userland access/control for the driver |
04:22.44 | destinal | can we figure out what the ioctl's it's doing to the powervr driver would result in at least, I wonder |
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04:25.11 | destinal | owner, unlock, open, release, and mmap |
04:25.18 | jacques | destinal, luna is doing the ioctls ? |
04:25.26 | Jakeeeee | alright i'm out. good luck egaudget, puff, destinal, rod, etc. |
04:25.28 | destinal | jacques: yup |
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04:25.36 | destinal | I have an strace from a while back |
04:26.25 | Shaikh | what does the + mean infront of all the important people's names? |
04:26.36 | halfhalo | their important! |
04:26.44 | halfhalo | @ means godlike |
04:26.50 | destinal | http://webos.pastebin.com/VaEL4mWG |
04:26.53 | Shaikh | Ohhh haha nice |
04:27.34 | destinal | # |
04:27.35 | destinal | ioctl(11, 0xc01c670c, 0x9ebbd2b4) = -1 EFAULT (Bad address) |
04:27.43 | destinal | what's ioctl 11? |
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04:28.04 | jacques | does that "bad address" mean the address of the ioctl args? |
04:28.11 | destinal | egaudet: can you strace your lunasysmgr also to confirm you get the same one? |
04:28.38 | jacques | destinal, ioctl numbers aren't standardized are they? |
04:29.24 | destinal | jacques: all I know is: |
04:29.29 | destinal | static struct file_operations pvrsrv_fops = { |
04:29.30 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
04:29.32 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
04:29.33 | destinal | etc |
04:29.37 | dtzWill | the first parameter is the fd right? |
04:30.04 | dtzWill | and googling 0xc01c670c ioctl and the resulting failures suggested a driver/firmware mismatch lats time we looked into it iirc. |
04:30.26 | jacques | dtzWill, yeah I think you're right |
04:30.43 | destinal | why's it trying to open # |
04:30.45 | destinal | open("/etc/powervr.ini", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
04:30.45 | jacques | int ioctl(int fildes, int request, ... /* arg */); |
04:30.46 | destinal | anyway? |
04:31.24 | destinal | yeah 11 is # |
04:31.26 | jacques | destinal, maybe you need that file ? |
04:31.26 | destinal | open("/dev/pvrsrvkm", O_RDWR) = 11 |
04:31.28 | destinal | in this case |
04:31.49 | jacques | does 2.0 image have /etc/powervr.ini ? |
04:31.53 | destinal | rwhitby: does your pre2 have a /etc/powervr.ini on it? |
04:32.28 | destinal | jacques: it's not always just about what's in the doctor these days, the installer may modify things |
04:32.41 | jacques | (it seems to be non-immediately-fatal anyway) |
04:33.33 | jacques | if it is a driver/firmware mismatch, I wonder where he firmware comes from |
04:33.58 | jacques | is it embedded in a driver? |
04:35.22 | rwhitby | destinal: no /etc/powervr.ini |
04:35.36 | dtzWill | was it in /lib/firmware? I forget |
04:35.36 | destinal | ok, must be optional |
04:35.55 | dtzWill | also i encourage you to google that 2nd parameter and the results were on the first page or so |
04:36.00 | dtzWill | maybe i misinterpreted or something |
04:36.08 | jacques | it could be in /lib/firmware - that would be the proper place |
04:36.11 | dtzWill | and/or might be useful to have more people review it, etc |
04:36.56 | egaudet | ioctl(11, 0xc01c670c, 0x9ec75234) = -1 EFAULT (Bad address) |
04:38.17 | rwhitby | jacques: http://webos.pastebin.com/3XHunYQy <- /lib/firmware |
04:38.33 | destinal | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/49415-caprice32-opengl-es-2-0/ |
04:38.54 | dtzWill | destinal: that was the primary one yes, ty. |
04:39.08 | jacques | googling "ioctl 0xc01c670c" returns 9 hits (more than I expected ;-) |
04:39.47 | dtzWill | usefully they all seemed related iirc, or more related than one would hope for googling what happens to get the int representation of some ioctl for some random system :D |
04:40.33 | egaudet | well we have the code for pvrsrvkm |
04:41.10 | dtzWill | oh sweet deals, i somehow missed that. i for some reason thought the source on opensource was a piece of it, not enough to actually see this call. |
04:41.25 | dtzWill | quick someone build a debug version and see if that does anything useful :D |
04:41.35 | dtzWill | pretends someone will listen to him |
04:41.37 | dtzWill | :P |
04:41.53 | jacques | that is an interesting thread; talks about kernel being built against matching version of the drivers |
04:42.02 | destinal | egaudet built and is running the version he built, but yeah, debug sounds useful :) |
04:42.20 | dtzWill | destinal: oh nice! I maen errr, egaudet oh nice! ;) |
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04:45.12 | destinal | dtzWill: right, some of the irc logs others had about this talk about running pvr init |
04:45.34 | destinal | maybe egaudet should build that binary fresh and try running it |
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04:46.23 | destinal | dtzWill: I forget now the name of the binary actually but something like that |
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04:47.51 | egaudet | what binary? |
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04:49.22 | destinal | egaudet: there's some shell script called pvr-init and tbh I'm not sure if it has specific firmware loading binaries or whatever in it |
04:49.41 | rwhitby | it's /usr/bin/pvrsrvinit |
04:49.57 | rwhitby | from /etc/init.d/rc.pvr |
04:50.04 | jacques | egaudet, did you build omap3430_linux/ or omap3630_linux/ ? |
04:50.12 | dtzWill | rwhitby: yes, that's the one. ty :D |
04:50.20 | jacques | (I assume omap3430_linux) |
04:51.27 | jacques | they have different configs for -DSGX_CORE_REV |
04:52.12 | egaudet | yeah jacques 3430 |
04:52.46 | egaudet | I've built the tisgxgfx and dspbridge modules from source |
04:53.13 | jacques | egaudet, and you are using the sgx drivers from 2.0 ? |
04:53.17 | egaudet | ok debug gave me some info I think |
04:53.22 | egaudet | [ 55.500000] PVR_K:(Error): BridgedDispatchKM: Initialisation failed. Driver unusable. [3307, services4/srvkm/bridged/bridged_pvr_bridge.c] |
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04:54.23 | NuttyBunny | greets everyone. |
04:54.27 | dtzWill | the plot thickens! |
04:54.36 | rwhitby | g'day NuttyBunny |
04:54.55 | destinal | egaudet: interesting, this TI thread mentions a test script -- http://e2e.ti.com/support/dsp/omap_applications_processors/f/447/t/40515.aspx |
04:55.14 | destinal | gfx_check.sh |
04:56.06 | destinal | egaudet: also can you pastebin your log? |
04:56.20 | NuttyBunny | Hi Rod, good thing you got home fine :D Hey, I just read the news, and my Pre+ hasn't arrived yet to help :( |
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04:58.17 | egaudet | destinal, which log |
04:58.46 | egaudet | [ 16.820000] PVR_K: (FAIL) SGXInit: Mismatch in client-side and KM driver build options; extra options present in KM: (0x1). Please check sgx_options.h |
04:59.04 | dtzWill | egaudet: nice find! |
04:59.24 | jacques | yes, nice |
04:59.36 | egaudet | well that's expected with debug I think |
04:59.51 | egaudet | [ 16.820000] PVR_K:(Error): PVRSRVFinaliseSystem: Failed PVRSRVDevInitCompatCheck call (device index: 0) [421, services4/srvkm/common/pvrsrv.c] |
04:59.53 | egaudet | [ 16.820000] PVR_K:(Error): BridgedDispatchKM: Initialisation failed. Driver unusable. [3307, services4/srvkm/bridged/bridged_pvr_bridge.c] |
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05:04.00 | destinal | egaudet: this is the omap35x ddk, is that bad? is it compatible with 3430? |
05:04.47 | destinal | err nevermind it supports 3430 it seem |
05:04.48 | destinal | s |
05:05.12 | jacques | I think 34xx and 35xx differ only in packaging |
05:05.21 | jacques | or districution channel ... |
05:05.26 | jacques | distribution |
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05:06.14 | scoutcamper | points at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SkyNet |
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05:14.17 | scoutcamper | .\/me says Palm Pad(or webos toaster) plus webos 2.0 needs http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:SkyNet . |
05:15.08 | scoutcamper | s/.\/ |
05:15.17 | scoutcamper | darn |
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05:34.15 | egaudet | <PROTECTED> |
05:35.23 | rwhitby | egaudet: interesting |
05:35.26 | jacques | egaudet, aha, that looks like what I saw before |
05:35.40 | rwhitby | egaudet: 3430 vs 3630 ? |
05:36.17 | egaudet | well I'm building the 3430 software |
05:36.42 | jacques | diff eurasiacon/build/linux/omap3430_linux/makefile.core eurasiacon/build/linux/omap3630_linux/makefile.core |
05:36.44 | jacques | < CORE += -DSGX_CORE_REV=121 |
05:36.51 | jacques | > CORE += -DSGX_CORE_REV=125 |
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05:41.56 | egaudet | hmm where is it getting sw core rev |
05:44.39 | jacques | SW core rev may be built into the client drivers? |
05:45.13 | egaudet | hmm looks like it is using services4/system/omap3 and not services4/system/omap3430 |
05:46.33 | egaudet | what does notdir do in makefile |
05:46.36 | egaudet | $(notdir ...) |
05:47.09 | jacques | that sounds like a rwhitby question :-) |
05:47.57 | rwhitby | Extracts all but the directory-part of each file name |
05:48.11 | rwhitby | it's like basename on a list |
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05:50.04 | egaudet | hmm may have found it |
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05:53.38 | scoutcamper | watches his irc window with anticipation of a win :D |
05:53.58 | Suruat | hello anyone here? |
05:54.06 | scoutcamper | Suruat, yes |
05:54.08 | ka6sox | lets see...ypu |
05:54.11 | ka6sox | er yup |
05:54.21 | Suruat | sweet!!! |
05:54.22 | egaudet | hmm nope |
05:54.39 | scoutcamper | egaudet, u arent here or it didnt work? |
05:54.47 | Suruat | I have not used IRC for like 7 months |
05:54.50 | egaudet | didn't work |
05:55.06 | scoutcamper | egaudet, :( |
05:55.42 | dgathright | Doing some writing and want to make sure I have some terminology down correctly. Is it fair to call Luna the webOS window manager? |
05:56.18 | rwhitby | dgathright: close enough for non-technical folk |
05:56.35 | dgathright | And really, it's just a chromeless Webkit, right? |
05:57.04 | NuttyBunny | takes out his matraca... Go Team Go! :D |
05:57.42 | ka6sox | egaudet, what module is giving you fits? |
05:57.52 | egaudet | pvrsrvkm |
05:58.14 | egaudet | I -think- this is our barrier to frankendoctor |
05:58.18 | oil | each card is like a tab in a browser |
06:01.29 | ka6sox | it looks like the beagleboard folks have had some success..but against 2.6.27 |
06:06.45 | oil | quit: false, PuffTheMagic should look into that in wirc |
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06:07.40 | oil | it happens when the connection is lost, like being on irc on a sprint pre and getting a phone call |
06:08.00 | oil | i can't find it anywhere in mojo, so its got to be in the plugin |
06:08.04 | PuffTheMagic | ? |
06:08.12 | oil | * Suruat has quit (Quit: false) |
06:08.17 | oil | it sends "false" |
06:08.30 | oil | the gui even gets it |
06:08.41 | PuffTheMagic | that could be frenode sending it not the client |
06:09.21 | oil | i never see it with any other client :/ |
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06:10.31 | PuffTheMagic | i thought we fixed this |
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06:11.20 | oil | like i said, its not in mojo |
06:11.55 | rwhitby | hmm - mojodb partition is actually 144MB |
06:12.23 | PuffTheMagic | oil, well its isnt really a bug as much as a lack of some lame default |
06:12.30 | oil | ok |
06:12.34 | oil | sorry for saying its a bug |
06:12.40 | oil | it would be nice if the lame default was changed though |
06:13.13 | oil | or allow the lame default to be set by the gui |
06:13.30 | rwhitby | then the gui can have it's own lame default :) |
06:13.35 | oil | right |
06:13.46 | oil | or use the values we already have a preference for |
06:15.31 | PuffTheMagic | well this sounds like in the C code when i parse the json from the gui |
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06:15.47 | PuffTheMagic | i create empty vars to store the to be parsed value |
06:15.52 | PuffTheMagic | so if its still false |
06:16.00 | oil | like i said, its not coming from the gui :/ |
06:16.02 | PuffTheMagic | then the gui is sending the wrong key most likely |
06:16.09 | PuffTheMagic | well it coming from C |
06:16.19 | halfhalo | blames oil |
06:16.22 | PuffTheMagic | because its not getting the right json pair from mojo |
06:16.34 | PuffTheMagic | so its both places issues really |
06:16.38 | PuffTheMagic | and/or both places fix |
06:16.38 | ka6sox | poor oil...its not from him but he is still getting blamed |
06:16.49 | oil | its impossible for me to have discussions anymore :/ |
06:16.58 | ka6sox | no kidding! |
06:17.01 | PuffTheMagic | im not saying it oils fault |
06:17.20 | PuffTheMagic | just that its most likely equally mojo and C's fault |
06:17.22 | ka6sox | frames this : <PuffTheMagic>im not saying it oils fault |
06:17.27 | halfhalo | Actually, I though I gave oil a patch to fix it, so I am blaming him :p |
06:17.36 | oil | its not from the gui... |
06:17.53 | ka6sox | thats a signoff message? |
06:17.55 | oil | should i keep saying it? |
06:18.08 | ka6sox | <oil>its not from the gui... |
06:18.08 | scoutcamper | ~oil |
06:18.09 | infobot | well, oil is the breaker of wirc |
06:18.09 | ka6sox | <oil>its not from the gui... |
06:18.20 | ka6sox | there I have said it. |
06:18.22 | egaudet | QGestureManager::deliverEvent: could not find the target for gesture |
06:18.24 | mugen- | oh god... what have i walked into |
06:18.24 | ka6sox | (ofor him) |
06:18.32 | PuffTheMagic | oil, yes the gui is not sending "false"... but if C is expecting part_msg:"value" and mojo is sending part_message:"value" where is the issue? |
06:18.45 | oil | the part is not coming from the gui! |
06:19.01 | ka6sox | there is an echo in here. |
06:19.03 | halfhalo | hasnt been paying attention since he is watching tv |
06:19.07 | oil | its not initiated by the gui in any way |
06:19.11 | scoutcamper | ~oil |
06:19.11 | infobot | oil is, like, the breaker of wirc |
06:19.20 | PuffTheMagic | lol |
06:19.23 | mugen- | haha |
06:19.29 | scoutcamper | :D |
06:19.33 | rwhitby | egaudet: you're further? |
06:19.45 | ka6sox | oil, that sounds like the C app not knowing how to deal with NO signoff message |
06:20.01 | oil | it happens when the conenction to the netwrok is lost |
06:20.11 | oil | ive seen it when i get a call while wircing over 3g |
06:20.16 | scoutcamper | oil, make a boom, action time plugin for wirc :D |
06:20.22 | mugen- | can't we all just get along |
06:20.26 | egaudet | rwhitby, well I removed the check for the rev and it stopped giving us those errors but it clearly is not right. though luna doesn't crash |
06:20.32 | halfhalo | has a habit of blaming oil then right after coming back and saying wirc the best mobile irc. Because it is. And android irc sucks |
06:20.38 | egaudet | it's not drawing anything |
06:20.40 | oil | it NEVER, i repeat, NEVER happens when the gui intiiates the part or quit |
06:20.47 | ka6sox | oil, where aer we seeing that message. |
06:20.48 | Tibfib | but it's always oil's fault. |
06:21.35 | ka6sox | wierd...have we seen it on any other network? or only on freenode? |
06:21.47 | oil | im never on another network |
06:22.02 | rwhitby | is over the "it's oil's fault" thing |
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06:22.21 | ka6sox | okay, I'll have to try it on my own network. |
06:22.27 | ka6sox | after I get a pre2 |
06:22.39 | halfhalo | even admits its getting old |
06:22.54 | oil | the plugin even sends the quit: false message to the gui when it happens |
06:23.04 | oil | i saw "oil has quit: false" in the channel |
06:23.10 | oil | in wirc |
06:24.04 | halfhalo | If I knew anyc I would totally look |
06:24.06 | ka6sox | everything after quit: is the signoff message, usually from the client |
06:24.29 | oil | the gui isn't initiating the quit though |
06:24.52 | oil | doesnt know why he bothers trying to get anything done anymore :/ |
06:24.53 | oil | bbl |
06:25.00 | mugen- | how is it that a room full of developers are arguing over what or what it doesn't do |
06:25.14 | SineOt | mugen-: magic |
06:25.23 | mugen- | i don't buy it :P |
06:25.26 | scoutcamper | mugen-, because we all know its oil s fault |
06:25.37 | mugen- | geez, give the guy a break |
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06:26.26 | halfhalo | imposes a ban on the blaming of oil |
06:26.37 | SineOt | signs off and seconds said ban |
06:27.24 | scoutcamper | says its just a quit message, and aggrees its not oil s fault, and its a quit message, not the Apocalypse |
06:28.28 | Suruat | Is it possible to stay signed into a single palm profile from multiple devices? |
06:28.48 | SineOt | Suruat: no, whatever other devices you have will wipe themselves when you log into a new device |
06:29.30 | PuffTheMagic | the problem is i either hardcode a quit message |
06:29.50 | PuffTheMagic | or i pass the output of the json parser right into the function |
06:29.54 | scoutcamper | PuffTheMagic, just make it say WIRC |
06:30.06 | SineOt | or say "Oops, got a call" |
06:30.08 | PuffTheMagic | scoutcamper, if i knew where it was coming from i could |
06:30.15 | scoutcamper | or boom, action time |
06:30.38 | PuffTheMagic | like i said, i dont see a place where a temp var is use that initialized to 0 or false |
06:31.15 | ka6sox | PuffTheMagic, its probabably a filler because there isn't *any* message. |
06:31.19 | ka6sox | its NULL. |
06:31.59 | PuffTheMagic | ka6sox, that would only happen if the gui didnt send anything |
06:32.10 | PuffTheMagic | every place i look i see a hardcoded default |
06:32.25 | ka6sox | right...like when it abends by disconnecting |
06:33.26 | PuffTheMagic | irc_cmd_quit(servers[i].session, "wIRC closed"); |
06:33.54 | PuffTheMagic | how am i supposed to set a message when there is a timeout and the server does the disconnecting |
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06:34.18 | ka6sox | what we need to see is to capture what the last message from the server is. |
06:34.31 | scoutcamper | PuffTheMagic, hard code it, then post on the wiki to tell others how to change it |
06:34.47 | SineOt | if the server was doing the disconnecting I don't think it'd be Quit: false... wouldn't it be listed as a Ping time: 265 or Connection Closed by Peer? |
06:34.49 | PuffTheMagic | scoutcamper, HARD CODE IT WHERE? |
06:35.03 | PuffTheMagic | go look at the code |
06:35.10 | scoutcamper | goes to look |
06:36.07 | ka6sox | PuffTheMagic, if the gui isn't sending it and the C isn't sending it then we need the last thing that the server sent you. |
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06:36.40 | ka6sox | remind me not to get fort worth, charter cable service |
06:36.54 | scoutcamper | PuffTheMagic, in mirc it is alias quit { |
06:36.54 | scoutcamper | <PROTECTED> |
06:36.54 | scoutcamper | <PROTECTED> |
06:36.54 | scoutcamper | } |
06:37.07 | PuffTheMagic | look at wIRC code |
06:37.08 | PuffTheMagic | not mirc |
06:37.17 | PuffTheMagic | :/ |
06:37.24 | Suruat | does anyone know why I keep getting diconnected? (Suruat quit: false) |
06:37.49 | scoutcamper | PuffTheMagic, i know, im looking for reference |
06:37.50 | PuffTheMagic | Suruat, your connection sucks? |
06:37.55 | ka6sox | Suruat, that has been the subject of discussion for the last hour. |
06:38.23 | PuffTheMagic | Suruat, are u using someone elses nick an are the ghosting u? |
06:38.24 | Suruat | @PuffTheMagic LOL maybe |
06:38.58 | Suruat | @Ka6sox hmm sux |
06:39.17 | PuffTheMagic | Suruat, is your current nick registered to you? |
06:39.37 | scoutcamper | Suruat, r u getting phone calls? |
06:39.50 | mugen- | Suruat, I know what you did last summer... |
06:40.16 | scoutcamper | PuffTheMagic, i give up ... |
06:40.55 | scoutcamper | has limited knowledge of C, but is learning more as fast as he can |
06:41.40 | mugen- | not fast enough damnit! |
06:41.43 | mugen- | <PROTECTED> |
06:41.43 | Suruat | *nice |
06:43.28 | mugen- | i'm looking at all the states north of me... god i'd hate to be up there right now |
06:43.37 | mugen- | even seattle is getting nailed... 15 degree |
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06:43.40 | mugen- | degrees |
06:46.14 | mugen- | maybe some bash.org quotes will cheer everyone up |
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06:53.36 | egaudet | night |
06:53.48 | mugen- | nn |
06:53.56 | scoutcamper | egaudet, good luck on franken doc tommorow |
06:54.13 | ka6sox | nite |
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07:06.51 | swisstomcat | morning |
07:06.52 | PuffTheMagic | 2df74121 (Ryan Hope 2010-06-03 20:17:07 -0400 554) plugin.cmd_quit(servers.getServerArrayKey(this.id), false); |
07:06.58 | PuffTheMagic | ^^^ git blame says it was my fault |
07:07.06 | PuffTheMagic | but it was in the mojo ;) |
07:07.37 | oil | lol |
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07:08.21 | PuffTheMagic | so that prob should not use the normal part message from the cookie prefs |
07:08.27 | PuffTheMagic | but |
07:08.43 | PuffTheMagic | why is the server getting the message if they are "disrupted" |
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07:10.46 | mugen- | alright... so i came in late to the discussion... i'm checking out the code right now |
07:11.11 | PuffTheMagic | we found where the problem is |
07:11.18 | PuffTheMagic | changing the message is easy |
07:11.29 | PuffTheMagic | but the real bug is why the message is being sent |
07:11.54 | PuffTheMagic | its coming from code where we detect if the connection has dropped |
07:11.59 | PuffTheMagic | or if the IP has changed |
07:12.09 | mugen- | k |
07:12.13 | swisstomcat | does wIRC work on 2.0.1? |
07:12.17 | PuffTheMagic | so maybe the threshold for timeout is not longenough |
07:12.23 | oil | it works on 2.0, dont see why it wouldn't work on .1 |
07:12.25 | PuffTheMagic | swisstomcat, JTops says it does |
07:12.37 | swisstomcat | cool, i'll test it |
07:13.00 | mugen- | how long is the timeout right now? |
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07:13.23 | mugen- | sorry... i'm up to speed in the code yet |
07:14.27 | PuffTheMagic | ahh |
07:14.35 | PuffTheMagic | we dont have a threshold set actually |
07:14.41 | PuffTheMagic | as soon as we get an event |
07:14.42 | PuffTheMagic | connectionInfo.isInternetConnectionAvailable |
07:14.46 | PuffTheMagic | !connectionInfo.isInternetConnectionAvailable |
07:14.58 | PuffTheMagic | we send the disrupted signal |
07:15.12 | PuffTheMagic | so we should prob use a timer or ometing |
07:15.25 | PuffTheMagic | and give it a chance to comeback with the old IP |
07:15.40 | halfhalo | 255 seconds? |
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07:16.04 | PuffTheMagic | we used to use a timer it looks like |
07:16.06 | mugen- | give it 3 tries at exponential timeout periods |
07:16.08 | PuffTheMagic | but i commented that out |
07:16.17 | PuffTheMagic | and simplified it |
07:16.29 | PuffTheMagic | because it was not working right |
07:16.30 | mugen- | start at 60s and scale it |
07:16.36 | PuffTheMagic | no |
07:16.43 | PuffTheMagic | just gonna add a prefs option for it |
07:16.47 | PuffTheMagic | and let users pickw hat they want |
07:17.02 | mugen- | it's such an irrelevant option tho :P |
07:17.28 | PuffTheMagic | so then most people will never need to change what ever default i put in there |
07:17.39 | PuffTheMagic | no need to make some crazy adaptive algo to do this |
07:17.46 | PuffTheMagic | based on nothing |
07:17.46 | Gollyzila | May I ask what you guys are working on right now? |
07:17.56 | PuffTheMagic | when an arbitrary value based on nothing is easier |
07:17.59 | mugen- | crazy adaptive algo? |
07:18.00 | mugen- | lol |
07:18.37 | PuffTheMagic | Gollyzila, an oversight in wirc |
07:19.12 | Gollyzila | Okee dokee, thanks. |
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07:27.07 | PuffTheMagic | oil, does JS have mutexes? |
07:27.15 | PuffTheMagic | or a way to create locks and prevent races? |
07:27.55 | oil | its single threaded |
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07:30.15 | oil | hey, its Kyusaku |
07:30.37 | Kyusaku | hey oil what's happening |
07:30.41 | rwhitby | attempts to build a Pre 2 kernel |
07:30.44 | oil | not much |
07:30.49 | rwhitby | hey Kyusaku |
07:31.52 | Kyusaku | hey Rod, I see even the flight back to Australia doesn't phase you for a minute |
07:32.17 | rwhitby | sweet, patch applied |
07:32.22 | oil | lol |
07:33.31 | rwhitby | compiles uber-kernel-pre2 on the bus on the way home from work |
07:33.37 | oil | haha |
07:33.57 | Shaikh | how goes the Franken pre research? |
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07:34.04 | oil | paused for sleep? |
07:34.27 | rwhitby | Shaikh: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt |
07:34.39 | Shaikh | Thank you Good Sir! |
07:48.30 | Shaikh | "<egaudet> pvrsrvkm Nov 24 06:05:46 <egaudet> I -think- this is our barrier to frankendoctor" Does this mean no more Frankendoctor? |
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07:49.21 | rwhitby | that's the latest barrier |
07:50.08 | SineOt | g'night everyone |
07:50.16 | Shaikh | Ahh, does it seem breakable? Or will we have to wait for Palm to release more code? |
07:50.57 | rwhitby | no idea |
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07:51.11 | torchie | what's the barrier to frankendoctor |
07:51.12 | torchie | what's goin on |
07:51.28 | rwhitby | bbl |
07:51.32 | Shaikh | <PROTECTED> |
07:51.49 | Shaikh | and the smart folks are working on it |
07:51.55 | Shaikh | but |
07:52.14 | Shaikh | well I dont know whats going on haha, im here to find out whats going on just like you |
07:52.19 | torchie | something to do with the powerVR? |
07:54.17 | Shaikh | Rod said he has no idea if/when this barrier can be broken, that worries me a little lol |
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07:56.35 | dgathright | Someone register isthefrankenprereadyyet.com |
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08:17.11 | ice8lue | Heyho! the 2.0 kernel source is out? :D |
08:19.09 | swisstomcat | yeah |
08:21.30 | ice8lue | so the frankendoc work can finally be pushed forward? |
08:23.02 | swisstomcat | dunno |
08:24.03 | ice8lue | xD kk |
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08:35.22 | Kyusaku | bbl |
08:43.06 | MetaView | hi |
08:45.01 | swisstomcat | moin |
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09:08.14 | Shaikh | egaudet, are you here? |
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09:38.04 | Shaikh | How many people are still active here? |
10:28.32 | MetaView | 1 |
10:28.52 | MetaView | :) there are more |
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10:29.06 | MetaView | but most of them are sleeping right now |
10:29.26 | MetaView | oh, seems me too |
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10:44.47 | ice8lue | egaudet are you online? |
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10:55.45 | rwhitby | ~seen egaudet |
10:55.47 | infobot | egaudet is currently on #webos-internals (1d 9h 54m 16s). Has said a total of 42 messages. Is idling for 4h 2m 11s, last said: 'night'. |
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12:10.02 | swisstomcat | rehi |
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12:34.40 | shabby | Good Mornin! |
12:37.04 | shabby | how is the Frankenpre coming along?? |
12:39.10 | swisstomcat | dunno |
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12:40.50 | shabby | well i know about the new barrier, is it weakening? lol. I am sadly quite impatient about webOS 2.0. It has been hyped up way too much lol |
12:41.43 | shabby | Also Id like to be considered to test it out if/when you guys need testers haha |
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13:46.54 | Ice8lue | egaudet are you there? |
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14:36.45 | raeb | ...frankendoc? |
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14:56.25 | pcworld | Any progress on FrankenDoctor? I saw kernel source is available now |
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15:04.18 | Rick_work | They were working on it last night but not done |
15:07.42 | pcworld | thanks for info |
15:07.45 | Rick_work | there were 360 patches posted in the kernal 2.0 material, and they were packaged differently than palm used to. Hp has different standards. |
15:08.21 | Rick_work | This is not going to be a one-night patch thing. Expect it to take a bit. We're talking Godling level hacking here. |
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15:14.02 | pcworld | But I'm sure they'll get it done! :) |
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15:18.13 | prewareisawesome | Hopefully they will get it done! (I am assuming your talking about franken pre?) hows it looking? |
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15:20.10 | pcworld | "<Rick_work> They were working on it last night but not done" "<Rick_work> there were 360 patches posted in the kernal 2.0 material, and they were packaged differently than palm used to. Hp has different standards." "<Rick_work> This is not going to |
15:20.10 | pcworld | <PROTECTED> |
15:21.00 | PuffTheMagic | Rick_work, are the new kernel patches broken-out? |
15:21.13 | PuffTheMagic | to the contain a series file that can be imported with quilt? |
15:22.56 | PuffTheMagic | hmm just 2 patches |
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15:26.51 | egaudet | morning |
15:27.03 | PuffTheMagic | morn |
15:27.04 | pcworld | evening ;) |
15:27.16 | en0x | morn |
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15:33.25 | Ice8lue | morning^ |
15:34.09 | rlopin | Good morning. Has anyone got Navit to work on the Pre2? |
15:34.21 | egaudet_work | so I think we'd need to reverse the PVR libs in order for frakenpre to work |
15:34.37 | PuffTheMagic | reverse them? |
15:34.41 | egaudet_work | specifically I think maybe /usr/lib/libsrv_init.so and /usr/lib/libsrv_um.so |
15:34.44 | PuffTheMagic | isnt that in that sgz package? |
15:34.57 | egaudet_work | I don't see any client libs in it, I'll look again |
15:35.20 | PuffTheMagic | well on the other size of it |
15:35.25 | PuffTheMagic | now that we have the kernel patch |
15:35.39 | PuffTheMagic | cant we just include the kernel symbols from the new patch into the olderone |
15:35.42 | PuffTheMagic | via UK |
15:35.44 | PuffTheMagic | or something |
15:35.52 | egaudet_work | I've already built a new kernel, new modules etc... |
15:36.11 | PuffTheMagic | and whats the issue |
15:36.16 | PuffTheMagic | witht hat route |
15:36.18 | egaudet_work | which is good because we can get debugging in the pvr kernel module |
15:36.36 | egaudet_work | but the userspace libs use a different (newer, for 3630 i guess?) PVR rev |
15:37.10 | PuffTheMagic | and they dont work on the old pre? |
15:37.24 | egaudet_work | right |
15:37.29 | PuffTheMagic | segfault? |
15:37.37 | egaudet_work | no |
15:37.52 | PuffTheMagic | in what way do they not work |
15:37.52 | egaudet_work | the first thing that the pvr km complains about is the rev mismatch |
15:37.59 | egaudet_work | 1.2.1 (HW) vs. 1.2.5 (client-side) |
15:38.27 | PuffTheMagic | so cant we rebuild the a module and change that to match? |
15:38.47 | PuffTheMagic | or hexedit ;) |
15:39.11 | egaudet_work | so even if I skip that rev check to get further, nothing draws right. It tries to draw after luna starts and nothing but a small bar of nothingness at the top |
15:39.34 | destinal | egaudet_work: can we get a different version of the ddk? |
15:39.55 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work, this is OLD luna running new kernel |
15:39.57 | PuffTheMagic | or |
15:40.02 | egaudet_work | new everything |
15:40.21 | PuffTheMagic | what from 1.4.5 is injected into this imaeg? |
15:40.26 | PuffTheMagic | image |
15:40.30 | PuffTheMagic | frankenimage |
15:40.32 | egaudet_work | destinal: not sure, but do the pre and pre2 have different GPUs? |
15:40.35 | PuffTheMagic | it cant all be new |
15:40.39 | destinal | egaudet_work: also as a sanity check have you tried building all this stuff and running it in 1.4.5 and trying opengl-es stuff? |
15:40.48 | PuffTheMagic | they are the same for all intent and purposes |
15:41.17 | destinal | just to make sure there aren't other issues.. |
15:41.23 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: the built kernel and modules |
15:41.25 | egaudet_work | are injected |
15:42.18 | egaudet_work | I briefly tried building the omap3630 version of the ddk but it was really late so I may have messed it up |
15:42.46 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work, sound like there are some ifdefs that still need to be dealt with in the kernel |
15:43.03 | PuffTheMagic | something isnt getting initialized correctly |
15:43.33 | PuffTheMagic | or maybe not evenn ifdefs |
15:43.38 | PuffTheMagic | it could be runtime conditionals |
15:44.08 | egaudet_work | PuffTheMagic: there are a few places they missed ifdefs, I patched it though and the kernel boots and runs fine |
15:44.28 | PuffTheMagic | runs fine till u use the ddx |
15:44.59 | egaudet_work | don't think it's a problem with the kernel though |
15:45.04 | PuffTheMagic | i guess im brining the dev pre home for thanksgiving |
15:45.34 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet_work, kernel problem or userland is like different sides of same coin |
15:45.40 | PuffTheMagic | 1 problem - 2 ways to fix it |
15:45.49 | PuffTheMagic | we have source for kernel so that is prob the best way to fix it |
15:47.06 | egaudet_work | I don't know what you mean anymore |
15:47.20 | destinal | egaudet_work: I think the best way to check the kernel and ddk against a known state is to try it on 1.4.5. |
15:47.22 | egaudet_work | it's the module |
15:47.55 | egaudet_work | destinal: yeah that's a good idea |
15:48.33 | destinal | I can try tonight, though maybe someone will have time before then |
15:51.05 | Ice8lue | is it possible to install the new kernel into a runing 1.4.5 like the uberkernel? |
15:51.18 | Ice8lue | not now but technically possible |
15:51.19 | PuffTheMagic | u wont gain anything from that |
15:54.21 | Ice8lue | was just interesting^ |
15:55.35 | destinal | PuffTheMagic: well, he won't gain anything from it, but it would be a good smoke test for us :) |
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16:00.14 | Ice8lue | ^^ |
16:01.01 | destinal | Ice8lue: though at this time we don't need additional victims :) |
16:01.13 | Ice8lue | too bad^ |
16:02.17 | destinal | since we have dev castles it'll be easier to debug locally -- anyone with kernel hacking or graphics driver experience would be really helpful though. |
16:03.11 | Ice8lue | hm yeah...but don't have one of those abillities... |
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16:05.20 | pcworld | If you got it running on a Pre+, would it complicated to get it running on a Pre-? |
16:05.33 | pcworld | *be complicated |
16:07.46 | PuffTheMagic | destinal, i will be playing a lil witht his over the weekend |
16:08.16 | PuffTheMagic | the testing kernel instructions should enable fbcon by default though |
16:08.57 | destinal | pcworld: Anything we get working on pre should work on pre/pre+ -- AFAIK they're the exact same board with different flash & RAM chips installed |
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16:09.43 | pcworld | thank you |
16:10.40 | hape | rlopin: did you testet Navit on aPre2. Would be interested in the results if you did. |
16:11.04 | hape | rlopin: noradtux said it could work as it is an arm7 too |
16:13.21 | rlopin | hape: I switched over to #webos to ask the question. In the process of trying to get a response. |
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16:15.48 | swisstomcat | i can test navit, hape |
16:16.04 | hape | rlopin: I do not know of anyone that has tested it. But we can ask somebod to do it |
16:16.08 | hape | swisstomcat: ;-) Thnaks |
16:16.45 | hape | swisstomcat: How do you got a Pre2 to Autria? Do you was at the the Developer day? |
16:17.03 | hape | s/Austria/Swiss/ |
16:17.05 | swisstomcat | i got one through webos-internals .. developer device |
16:17.19 | halfhalo | thinks it was money well spent |
16:17.21 | Ice8lue | swisstomcat: now i'm jealous^ |
16:17.37 | en0x | swisstomcat: and u dont develop shit :P |
16:17.49 | swisstomcat | halfhalo: i hope i can live up to the expectations :) |
16:17.58 | swisstomcat | en0x: hehe .. but i'm propaganda minister |
16:18.01 | halfhalo | knows swiss will |
16:18.02 | en0x | ;] |
16:18.04 | hape | swisstomcat: well done. Thanks for testing Navit on it |
16:18.16 | swisstomcat | navit installs cleanly |
16:18.36 | swisstomcat | en0x: i've just translated govnah to german .. does that count? :) |
16:18.56 | halfhalo | See, if I was using webos, I would not find myself in this current predicament when my phone is brokked due to a bad rom flash |
16:19.01 | halfhalo | curse you android! |
16:19.11 | en0x | swisstomcat: did u use google translate? :P |
16:19.19 | swisstomcat | of course |
16:19.25 | en0x | swisstomcat: then it does ;D |
16:19.48 | Ice8lue | mh juts btw. if there's a need for german translations, i'm in ;) |
16:19.49 | swisstomcat | hape: it starts and displays some stuff |
16:20.05 | swisstomcat | ice8lue: you can review if i translated it correctly |
16:20.48 | Ice8lue | sure =) |
16:21.17 | swisstomcat | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/govnah.git;a=summary |
16:21.47 | halfhalo | THIS ROM STUFF CONFUZLES ME! |
16:21.55 | swisstomcat | hape: seems it works but i have to download the map data first |
16:22.35 | en0x | swisstomcat: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/govnah.git;a=blobdiff;f=app/assistants/main-assistant.js;h=89b28a360fbb7462f42bcd446956b124d080fb0d;hp=4752695d55343aa24e5268a41f69a4c0992520e6;hb=620c39fde06429a4c1b46015efe9fb495574acf0;hpb=3aeeab9b9b8d1b174d313d790e8c0cf001beabd2 how's this different? :S |
16:22.58 | swisstomcat | i removed the // :) |
16:23.09 | swisstomcat | ask the one who put it there |
16:23.41 | en0x | lol |
16:23.41 | en0x | ;] |
16:23.48 | en0x | epic |
16:25.34 | rlopin | hape: I am testing Navit now. I had no GPS inside my house so moved to a window to get a clear line of site to the sku |
16:25.38 | rlopin | sky |
16:27.56 | rlopin | hape: please go to the #webos channel. I have started an ongoing discussion about Navit on the Pre2 (unlocked, GSM, no SIM) |
16:31.41 | PuffTheMagic | navit has never worked for me |
16:31.47 | PuffTheMagic | i try it every time there is an update |
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16:36.45 | en0x | too many wircers here :S |
16:40.32 | rlopin | PuffTheMagic: Navit never worked for me on my Pre-minus either. I was hoping things would be better on the Pre2. |
16:40.48 | en0x | it worked for me fine |
16:40.55 | en0x | but sprint nav is good enough for me |
16:41.44 | rlopin | ex0x: Sprint nav is fantastic when you've got good cell coverage. But I was traveling in the boonies and lost cell tower contact. Not a pretty feeling. |
16:42.01 | rlopin | No cell tower, no maps. |
16:42.38 | rlopin | en0x: Did you download and use a pre-built map (.bin) from OpenStreet? |
16:42.47 | en0x | yes |
16:43.40 | PuffTheMagic | was that part of the directions that i did not read? |
16:44.01 | rlopin | en0x: I did the same for the entire USA. Didn't work. So I generated my own .bin for the NorthEast. Still no luck. Log file says: "PDL_ServiceCallWithCallback failed |
16:44.02 | rlopin | map_binfile:map_binfile_open:Failed to load media/internal/appdata/org.webosinternals.navit//maps/*.bin' |
16:44.02 | rlopin | navit:main_real" |
16:44.06 | swisstomcat | you need to download and install the map data |
16:44.17 | swisstomcat | hmmm |
16:44.30 | PuffTheMagic | that woudl explain things |
16:44.40 | PuffTheMagic | but its the maps are free why does it not download them for u |
16:44.58 | raeb | its up to you to select how much map data you want to download |
16:45.17 | rlopin | WebOS-internals Wiki has instruction on how to download and install maps. I followed the instructions precisely. |
16:45.19 | destinal | probably the whole world's map data would be immense :) |
16:45.44 | rlopin | It is 3GB, but Pre2 has 16GB so no biggie. I then just downloaded northeast map. Still have issue. |
16:45.53 | swisstomcat | hmm |
16:46.02 | swisstomcat | i have the map data but the map doesn't show in the main screen |
16:46.09 | Loudergood | do you have a gps lock? |
16:46.13 | rlopin | swisstomcat: exactly the issue I have |
16:46.20 | swisstomcat | how to debug? |
16:46.22 | Loudergood | there aren't any roads at 0,0 |
16:46.29 | rlopin | I just downloaded MapTools out of Preware and it showed a GPS lock within 1-2 minutes |
16:46.41 | rlopin | Navit shows the blue dot now -- but no map is rendering underneath it |
16:46.48 | swisstomcat | hmm |
16:47.07 | Loudergood | I have a verizon phone...so my gps experience has not been pleasant. |
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16:47.30 | PuffTheMagic | raeb, are u saying that is the app couldnt give us the option to pick how much map data we want? |
16:48.06 | raeb | good point |
16:48.24 | swisstomcat | you can choose how much data you want in the map builder |
16:48.30 | swisstomcat | the swiss map is 148mb |
16:48.57 | rlopin | For Navit you have to manually download and drop the map file into the maps folder the Navit app creates on the media internal partition. |
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16:51.35 | swisstomcat | how can i/we help to debug the "problem" with navit? |
16:53.03 | Ice8lue | swisstomcat: there are some lines in the govnah strings i would chande |
16:53.06 | Ice8lue | *change |
16:53.12 | swisstomcat | go ahead |
16:53.26 | Ice8lue | mh just write them here? |
16:53.42 | swisstomcat | or shoot me an email, mleut@yahoo.com |
16:53.50 | swisstomcat | i was not 100% sure on some terms |
16:54.00 | Ice8lue | ok, will mail them to you |
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16:55.35 | rlopin | Swisstomcat: Here is a screen capture I just took: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25465833@N02/5204071611/ |
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17:01.23 | Ice8lue | u got mail sir^ |
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17:04.58 | Ice8lue | btw, is it possible for everyone to commit to these git sources? |
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17:12.22 | Ice8lue | that way, i could systematically translate the apps on there |
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17:35.23 | linuxjacques | anyone recall if verizon blocks port 22 ? |
17:35.44 | halfhalo | I don't think so.. |
17:36.08 | linuxjacques | cool |
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17:50.27 | rlopin | swisstomcat: was able to make the failed log entry for the map go away by renaming the map from "osm_bbox_-125.4,24.3,-66.5,49.3.bin" to "usa.bin". Now encountered a second error in log file related to some unknown key symbol in the navit.xml file "vehicle_webos:vehicle_webos_open:PDL_ServiceCallWithCallback failed |
17:50.27 | rlopin | navit:main_real:Using '/media/internal/appdata/org.webosinternals.navit//navit.xml' |
17:50.27 | rlopin | graphics_sdl:graphics_sdl_idle:Unknown key sym: e7 |
17:50.27 | rlopin | navit" |
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18:01.50 | ryan[WIN] | hm |
18:02.50 | rlopin_ | . |
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18:10.09 | destinal | whoa ameng? |
18:10.12 | destinal | ~seen ameng |
18:10.21 | infobot | ameng <~Administr@221.220.195.208> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 27d 6h 8m 45s ago, saying: ':)'. |
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19:13.45 | GarthPS | for those under linux intersted about some info about novacom here is what I juste have by mail with an HP/Palm developer relation agent : "The Novacom that’s included in the webOS 2.0 beta SDK in our Early Access program should be able to talk to the Pre 2 from Windows, Linux, and Mac OS X. You can get access by mailing pdc@palm.com and agreeing to a NDA." |
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19:16.40 | SineOt | Since there's no Novacom that can talk to a Pre2 in the SFR doctor, right? |
19:18.07 | GarthPS | SineOt: not completely! I have been further about this point :) |
19:18.24 | SineOt | Er, I mean no novacom for Linux! |
19:18.36 | SineOt | There's a Novacom Pre2 for Windows/OSX, but not linux. |
19:19.06 | GarthPS | SineOt: underlinux yes. it is dead right know but I succeded to do it under windows xp by manualy extracting the novacom installer and install it, then I was ably to used webos doctor under xp |
19:19.59 | GarthPS | SineOt: yeah right |
19:33.06 | SineOt | i386, or i386 (1) D: |
19:33.09 | SineOt | what is the difference :C |
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19:49.34 | mugen- | o\ all |
19:52.43 | SineOt | hey mugen- |
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19:54.10 | mugen- | god resident evil afterlife was good :D |
19:55.36 | SineOt | you're making me want to go see a movie :B |
19:55.41 | SineOt | at the awesome 21+ theater |
19:55.48 | destinal | ~seen lemketron |
19:55.55 | infobot | lemketron <~lemketron@palm-64-28-152-131.palm.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 63d 19h 23m 37s ago, saying: 'wasn't that the first pdk that appeared, before ours?'. |
19:55.55 | SineOt | with leather seats and a full bar in the theater lol |
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20:00.45 | mugen- | lol |
20:00.49 | mugen- | full bar, eh? |
20:01.06 | SineOt | yeah, it's pretty nice |
20:01.13 | mugen- | where's this at? |
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20:01.20 | SineOt | Anaheim Garden Walk |
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20:01.26 | mugen- | ahaa |
20:01.47 | SineOt | there's a theater around here that has a bar right across the walk way from it with a good happy hour... |
20:02.05 | SineOt | Alpha & Omega 3D while tipsy for free? yessssss |
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20:13.01 | spdsktr | hey everyone |
20:13.05 | SineOt | hey |
20:14.34 | spdsktr | so, wanted to report an odd thing on the Franken-Pre for Rod |
20:14.54 | spdsktr | we ended up swapping it back, but now the device (which has no catalog access now), is downloading apps on it's own |
20:14.56 | swisstomcat | hey james |
20:15.05 | spdsktr | hey marcus, missed you last weekend! |
20:15.10 | swisstomcat | new apps? |
20:15.23 | swisstomcat | yeah, i was bummed too that i couldn't come .. oh well |
20:15.23 | spdsktr | Hot Babes, Asian Girls, and AccuWeather |
20:15.30 | swisstomcat | odd? |
20:15.33 | spdsktr | the first 2 I have never downloaded on any profile and did not know existed |
20:15.46 | spdsktr | the latter I have on my Sprint Pre |
20:15.46 | swisstomcat | now we know your secret ;) |
20:15.59 | spdsktr | tell me about it... but, it is freaking me out actually |
20:16.07 | swisstomcat | yeah, really weird |
20:16.20 | spdsktr | I mean, it has NO catalog access right now at all, but somehow installing these apps entirely on it's own |
20:16.43 | spdsktr | if it had catalog access, I would shrug it off as someone playing with it and accidentally installing, but not possibke |
20:17.11 | swisstomcat | hmm |
20:17.31 | swisstomcat | messed up install history? |
20:18.01 | SineOt | yeah, my guess would be that somewhere along the line the Palm servers got to thinking that you had, at one point, purchased/installed those |
20:18.13 | spdsktr | possibly, but never did fully log into my profile on the device |
20:18.35 | spdsktr | ended up with a new profile on device, and my original profile was never updated to 2.0 |
20:18.58 | spdsktr | it did get reset in a sense, as soon as I got home, it said I was logged out of my profile, rebooted and reset (Sprint Pre) |
20:19.12 | spdsktr | 2 hours later, did it again and did a complete wipe, but everything back to normal |
20:19.25 | swisstomcat | bah, i've seen that message like 3 times already on my dev pixi |
20:19.27 | swisstomcat | it sucks |
20:20.21 | spdsktr | I wonder if Dieter logged into that profile he created on a diff device and downloaded apps that it is then simultaneously downloading to mine? |
20:20.45 | swisstomcat | oh |
20:21.07 | swisstomcat | he was using your profile (then new one for the frankenpre2)? |
20:21.13 | spdsktr | I had to scamper off for my preso when they created the new profile, so I was not present for that |
20:21.58 | spdsktr | and I know dieter used a P|C email for it, and had to know the password -- so maybe he logged into it on his dev Pre 2 he got there? |
20:22.54 | oil | :/ |
20:23.29 | swisstomcat | so we know dieter's secret now :) |
20:23.34 | halfhalo | hahahahaha |
20:23.34 | spdsktr | lol |
20:24.03 | swisstomcat | asian babes, huh |
20:24.37 | spdsktr | and hot babes |
20:25.04 | spdsktr | I'm worried about my wife seeing them on the device... imagine me trying to explain it having a mind of it's own! |
20:25.30 | swisstomcat | yeah |
20:26.03 | oil | "i swear, it was just a popup" |
20:26.23 | spdsktr | lol |
20:26.46 | oil | then this shows up in the mail: http://www.sextoy.com/prod_info.php?a=glove&pnum=PD8612-00 |
20:27.05 | spdsktr | I shot Dieter an email, see if he is using the profile else where. If so, then I can relax knowing they are just linked somehow |
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20:29.31 | spdsktr | so any internals members need an AT&T Pre for dev? With my new Pre 2, and old SPrint Pre, I have too many devices |
20:30.15 | ka6sox | spdsktr, yep... |
20:30.33 | SineOt | I'm sitting here waiting for my AT&T Pre to get here, actually. :p |
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20:30.43 | SineOt | Stupid UPS... |
20:31.06 | spdsktr | got it the day before Dev Day, then got my Pre 2 a few days later |
20:31.08 | swisstomcat | i also have a gsm pre to give away |
20:31.32 | SineOt | (Palm almost sent me two of them, even) |
20:32.08 | spdsktr | Got that second email too, like they entirely missed my first one |
20:32.17 | spdsktr | but I do know someone who got 2 devices from it |
20:33.08 | SineOt | heh |
20:33.27 | SineOt | the did miss my two emails originally asking about the dev device program... took almost 3 weeks to hear back :p |
20:34.23 | oil | has one of each device BUT a pre plus |
20:34.41 | SineOt | so wait, you've got a pixi, and a pixi plus, but no pre plus? |
20:35.04 | oil | no, no pixi minus |
20:35.06 | swisstomcat | pixi plus,2 pre-,pre plus,pre2 |
20:35.09 | oil | not so good for dev without service |
20:35.39 | SineOt | ... oh yeah, huh |
20:36.01 | oil | pixi+, two pre- (one is my main phone), and a pre2 |
20:37.33 | Ice8lue | spdsktr: yeah, really could need one =) |
20:37.52 | swisstomcat | ice8lue: you can have my gsm pre- |
20:38.06 | swisstomcat | s/can/could |
20:38.12 | oil | really could need one? |
20:38.15 | Ice8lue | swisstomcat: really? that would be awesome! |
20:38.16 | oil | something is wrong with that sentence, lol |
20:39.03 | spdsktr | a gsm Pre - eh? |
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20:39.08 | swisstomcat | yeah |
20:39.33 | Ice8lue | the pre- i'm using at the moment is...well it suffered from some dev experiments^ |
20:39.48 | swisstomcat | hehe |
20:40.01 | swisstomcat | shipping should not be too expensive to germany |
20:40.34 | Ice8lue | from swiss? no i think that should be like austria right? |
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20:41.54 | spdsktr | heh, Dieter said " Can't recall. I might have" o_O |
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20:42.28 | SineOt | he obviously doesn't want to admit to downloading hot babes and asian girls |
20:42.37 | Ice8lue | xD |
20:43.33 | swisstomcat | hehe |
20:43.39 | swisstomcat | ice8lue: should be cheap |
20:44.08 | Ice8lue | swisstomcat: what do u want for it? |
20:44.16 | Ice8lue | btw, did u get the translations? |
20:44.29 | swisstomcat | ice8lue: yeah, got them ... i'll update govnah .. thank you |
20:44.44 | swisstomcat | ice8lue: i have to check with webos-internals .. are you a member? |
20:44.53 | Ice8lue | kk thank you |
20:45.00 | Ice8lue | mh no=/ |
20:45.39 | Ice8lue | but i'd like to be |
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20:46.51 | summatusmentis | is there a particular way to "join" w-i? |
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20:49.05 | oil | summatusmentis: do something awesome? |
20:49.15 | torchie | initiation ritual |
20:49.27 | swisstomcat | blood brotherhood |
20:49.27 | oil | its a meritocracy |
20:49.39 | summatusmentis | ah, that's sorta what I assumed |
20:49.46 | Ice8lue | blood brotherhodd xD |
20:49.51 | summatusmentis | I didn't know if there was an official registration thing or whatever |
20:49.59 | halfhalo | There is |
20:50.04 | oil | there is no formmail or anything xD |
20:50.05 | halfhalo | it involves mailing me a check |
20:50.18 | halfhalo | and/or cookies |
20:50.43 | Breadwinka | mmm cookies |
20:50.48 | summatusmentis | waits for his precentral cookies to expire, and mails them to halfhalo |
20:51.21 | Ice8lue | could offer warm brownies, baken just seconds ago^ |
20:53.29 | Breadwinka | ^^^ Jealous |
20:53.44 | halfhalo | has del taco in his immediate future |
20:53.58 | Ice8lue | ;) you're free to check by and get some^ |
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21:08.04 | Ice8lue | may i could join you? |
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21:18.09 | Ice8lue | yay, i love python. now i can use my pre as a controller for my mediacenter |
21:18.19 | Ice8lue | just too bad it doesnt have infrared |
21:18.31 | SineOt | what do you use for your media center? |
21:19.12 | Ice8lue | i transfered a netbook into a nice little alu case and it's running xbmc now |
21:19.59 | SineOt | why not Boxee, why Xbmc? |
21:20.19 | Ice8lue | well, i just love the new UI |
21:20.46 | Ice8lue | it supports lots of formats, has some nice tools in it |
21:21.57 | SineOt | (Boxee is built on XBMC) |
21:22.01 | SineOt | how'd you do the controller? |
21:22.24 | hape | swisstomcat: Did Navit start on you Pre2? |
21:22.47 | Ice8lue | i wrote a plugin in python which acts as a server. the client runs on the pre and sends its commancs via wifi |
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21:27.27 | Ice8lue | is just looking at the boxee page...and my netbook is soooooo lame... ;) |
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21:27.45 | bloodykill12 | does anyone know how to download preware? |
21:28.37 | ashi_todd | lol |
21:29.09 | halfhalo | still not the record |
21:31.06 | Ice8lue | bloodykill12: http://get.preware.org/ download the installer or install the ipk via webos quickinstall |
21:31.17 | Ice8lue | oh, he's already off |
21:31.30 | swisstomcat | hape: yeah, it did |
21:32.00 | swisstomcat | hape: but the map was not displayed |
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21:36.10 | NuttyBunny | Hi everyone, have I missed anything interesting since this morning? :) |
21:37.08 | SineOt | cool |
21:37.30 | SineOt | lol... Ice8lue, what netbook is it? I run boxee on mine, it's just your bog standard 1.6ghz Atom chip |
21:37.33 | swisstomcat | nuttybunny: nothing interesting .. palmpad aside |
21:37.51 | Ice8lue | no its an 1,3GHz atom Z520 |
21:38.11 | SineOt | has some trouble with 720p but I never expected that to play fine anyways |
21:38.11 | Ice8lue | or 570? |
21:38.11 | halfhalo | my watch runs faster than that... |
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21:38.11 | Ice8lue | oh ya^ |
21:38.11 | SineOt | ah, one of the like ultra low low power Atom chips |
21:38.13 | Ice8lue | ya |
21:38.20 | Ice8lue | eeepc 1201ha |
21:38.30 | NuttyBunny | ok, checking the log right now.. :) thanks swisstomcat |
21:38.52 | swisstomcat | more rumours about the palmpad |
21:39.10 | SineOt | I <3 my Wind U100... the one button overclock is nice ;) |
21:39.17 | SineOt | bumps it up to 1.93ghz |
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21:41.09 | Ice8lue | wel...in theory mine does overclocking too^ |
21:41.17 | SineOt | oil: can I be part of w-i based solely on my preware on drugs theme? XD |
21:41.56 | swisstomcat | hehe |
21:44.52 | Ice8lue | SineOt: Boxee looks cool =) |
21:45.05 | SineOt | yeah, I really like it... it's pretty nifty |
21:45.09 | Ice8lue | let's see if i can control that too via that plugin |
21:46.31 | SineOt | you should be able to, it's based on xmbc so they should be mostly compatible |
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21:47.41 | SineOt | I've been thinking about maybe making a Boxee remote if I can figure out how :x |
21:48.00 | SineOt | since when I have my Mini hooked up to the TV it's annoying to have a keyboard hooked up |
21:48.18 | Ice8lue | i know...had my netbook on TV before |
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21:49.10 | SineOt | http://developer.boxee.tv/Remote_Control_Interface |
21:49.38 | SineOt | I might give it a try later after my dev Pre gets here, since my Pixi lacks wifi |
21:50.41 | swisstomcat | goodn8 |
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21:51.10 | daltonj82 | I have a question I put in the feed like thw wiki says for the development kernals and it's coming up with errors what's the feed for the development kernals? |
21:52.22 | rwhitby | It's on the Testing_Feeds wiki page |
21:52.32 | Ice8lue | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds#Kernel_Testing_Feeds |
21:52.37 | Ice8lue | follow these steps |
21:53.14 | daltonj82 | ok I'll try it again thanks |
21:53.18 | Ice8lue | np |
21:54.28 | scoutcamper | SineOt, did you finish it? why not send to oil or rwhitby to package into next preware |
21:54.47 | SineOt | scoutcamper: not yet no, probably will wrap it up this weekend |
21:54.59 | SineOt | going to spend tonight cooking for tomorrow :p |
21:55.09 | scoutcamper | :D i dont do that till tommorow :D |
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21:55.27 | daltonj82 | preware.is.awsome.com/ that's the feed I put in and it comes up with a error |
21:55.32 | SineOt | we've got a few dishes that can be made ahead of time so it shouldn't really be an issue |
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21:55.48 | SineOt | saves time for tomorrow to relax :D |
21:56.24 | scoutcamper | eh, all my dishes dont take long, could prolly cook the whole thing in 2hrs, except the turkey of course :D |
21:56.54 | oil | idk |
21:56.55 | oil | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre/269202-apps-do-you-want-themed-2.html#post2768325 |
21:57.02 | oil | that guy is doing a good job too :) |
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21:57.49 | spdsktr | rwhitby: did you see my notes earlier about the FrankenPre2 side effect? |
21:58.22 | SineOt | that looks awesome :< |
21:58.30 | SineOt | suddenly feels ashamed :< |
21:59.53 | Ice8lue | daltonj82: did you reboot the device right after entering that? |
22:00.04 | daltonj82 | yes |
22:00.43 | Ice8lue | thats strange, always worked for me.... which preware version do u use? |
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22:02.21 | daltonj82 | the newest one I just installed it |
22:02.33 | Ice8lue | strange... |
22:02.37 | egaudet | SineOt, there's a boxee remote for webOS already |
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22:02.52 | SineOt | there is? man, now I'm double ashamed wtf |
22:02.59 | Ice8lue | do you have a pre or pixi? |
22:03.14 | egaudet | pre |
22:03.18 | SineOt | Pixi, but I'll have a dev Pre later today when UPS decides to show up :p |
22:03.25 | daltonj82 | pre |
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22:11.32 | rwhitby | daltonj82: check the name of the feed - it has to match exactly |
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22:13.43 | scoutcamper | hey PuffTheMagic i discorvered that the quit message must be network specific, it doesnt send flase on synIRC |
22:14.03 | scoutcamper | s/flase/false |
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22:14.47 | simzz | hi |
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22:15.01 | simzz | i was wondering if the root tutorials out there were correct |
22:15.17 | simzz | because they do not look like they are fit for webos 1.45 |
22:15.24 | simzz | and that is what i run on my pre |
22:16.23 | Ice8lue | or try to enter http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/testing/armv7/ |
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22:16.43 | simzz_ | sorry, my browser just crashed... |
22:16.48 | sepi-pre | what's the best way to start a process and communicate with it using stdio on webos? do I need to create a java service for this? |
22:17.39 | Ice8lue | simzz: there's no rooting as for android |
22:17.46 | Ice8lue | webos is open by default |
22:17.56 | simzz_ | what about file structure |
22:18.06 | simzz_ | i know you can plug it in and go to usb mode |
22:18.40 | Ice8lue | well you can use novaterm or ssh to connect to the root filesys |
22:18.51 | simzz_ | is there anything i need to do to my pre to be able to do this |
22:18.52 | simzz_ | http://www.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/internalz |
22:19.08 | Ice8lue | or internalz from the pre itself, yes |
22:19.16 | Ice8lue | no you just need preware installed |
22:19.23 | simzz_ | how would i do that? |
22:19.51 | Ice8lue | http://get.preware.org/ download the installer or install the ipk via webos quickinstall |
22:20.17 | simzz_ | i have installed homebrew apps before, but this one says root is required |
22:20.44 | Ice8lue | maybe you have to turn on devmode? |
22:20.49 | simzz_ | and what is this about? http://www.everythingpre.com/forum/threads/how-to-root-the-pre.17285/ is that just ssh/novcom access |
22:20.52 | simzz_ | ? |
22:21.27 | SineOt | it's all WAY outdated |
22:21.29 | SineOt | there is no root |
22:21.37 | SineOt | just enable dev mode and everything is fine |
22:21.38 | simzz_ | ok thanks |
22:21.44 | simzz_ | one last thing |
22:22.05 | simzz_ | you are probably biased about preware, but filecoaster also looks cool |
22:22.13 | simzz_ | it doesn't work though |
22:22.20 | simzz_ | do you know why? |
22:22.29 | SineOt | it's way old and no longer developed? :p |
22:22.37 | simzz_ | thats what i thought |
22:22.47 | Ice8lue | preware is the standard |
22:22.48 | Breadwinka | ya preware is pretty much all you need |
22:22.55 | Ice8lue | and does all that too, though |
22:22.56 | simzz_ | but a week ago i tried, and it just showed the loading sign forever |
22:23.07 | simzz_ | and now it has a timed out message |
22:23.11 | Ice8lue | it takes a while to load |
22:23.32 | Ice8lue | sometimes it looses connection for me |
22:23.33 | SineOt | it's pretty telling when the precoder.net site for Filecoaster takes you to a domain parking page |
22:24.26 | simzz_ | trying filecaster again... |
22:24.32 | simzz_ | says |
22:24.36 | simzz_ | an error occured |
22:24.47 | Ice8lue | ya it's outdated |
22:24.48 | simzz_ | exception: timeout |
22:24.56 | SineOt | simzz_: just get preware... preware is already supporting webOS 2.0, filecoaster isn't even working on 1.4.5 apparently |
22:24.57 | simzz_ | ok thanks |
22:25.01 | SineOt | you'll save yourself a lot of headaches |
22:25.08 | simzz_ | guess i'll just stick to preware |
22:25.25 | Ice8lue | right decision^ |
22:25.30 | simzz_ | i have used it before |
22:25.38 | simzz_ | it was a little hard to use though |
22:25.45 | simzz_ | not really hard |
22:25.52 | simzz_ | but unorganized a bit |
22:26.03 | Breadwinka | how is it unorganized? |
22:26.34 | SineOt | Breadwinka: it's easy to get lost if you don't know exactly what it is you're looking for... but it's basically the same problem as the official app catalog |
22:27.11 | simzz_ | yeah |
22:27.24 | simzz_ | its a little cleaner in the official |
22:27.39 | simzz_ | but preware still is nice, i'll give you credit, its a great app |
22:28.09 | SineOt | simzz_: my advice, is just start with the categories and skim around. it all makes sense soon enough, and after you get over the initial hump, it's easier to just look at the new items to keep up to date on what's out there since it's way slower moving than the official app catalog |
22:28.41 | simzz_ | thanks for the help |
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22:32.55 | Ice8lue_ | ok guys, will go to sleep now (arround midnight over here). gn8 everyone! |
22:33.22 | ka6sox-away | nn |
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22:56.46 | rwhitby | spdsktr: will catch you about franken side in about 20 mins |
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23:07.52 | spdsktr | rwhitby: sure thing, no biggie, just freaking me out |
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23:11.17 | egaudet | meh the ddk doesn't work on 1.4.5 |
23:12.07 | destinal | egaudet: ah, ok, then at least we're clearly Doing Something Wrong. |
23:12.09 | destinal | good to know |
23:12.42 | destinal | (or the source code is in error or isn't compatible with castle) |
23:13.33 | destinal | egaudet: same issue on castle? and did you try with both palm stock and new source kernel with the new ddk? |
23:14.18 | egaudet | I didn't try the new kernel on 1.4.5 |
23:14.42 | egaudet | I get what seems to be a similar issue but there's less debugging info |
23:15.00 | egaudet | I think it skips some init part, there's no libsrv_init.so in 1.4.5 but there is in 2.0 |
23:16.27 | destinal | maybe we should hit up some of the other open source omap communities to try and learn from their experiences in getting the ddk working. looks like the beagleboard guys have messed with it, for one. |
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23:16.43 | destinal | or I guess we could try TI forums.. |
23:17.06 | rwhitby | spdsktr: ok, can you give me a summary now? |
23:17.14 | ka6sox-away | destinal, ya, I was looking last night @ the beagleboard ml's |
23:17.40 | spdsktr | the Pre 2 is auto-magically downloading apps on it's own -- same condition it was in when you handed it back to me |
23:18.04 | spdsktr | not activated, activation bypassed, no catalog bypass -- yet 3 apps have now installed themselves |
23:18.08 | destinal | wow |
23:18.10 | destinal | lol |
23:18.19 | spdsktr | err, no catalog access |
23:18.35 | destinal | spdsktr: which apps? |
23:18.50 | spdsktr | Hot Girls, AccuWeather, and Asian Girls |
23:19.08 | spdsktr | Hot Girls and Asian girls are not on my profile |
23:19.40 | destinal | it would be very interesting to trace the palm update service traffic when this happens. hmm |
23:19.42 | rwhitby | spdsktr: oh, I added those to the download queue database to try and get you in trouble with your wife |
23:19.54 | rwhitby | j/k |
23:19.57 | spdsktr | rwhitby: yeah, thanks for that :P |
23:20.17 | spdsktr | I just am trying to figure out HOW to explain to her that my Pre 2 has a mind of it's own |
23:20.23 | destinal | spdsktr: your pre2's just expressing its individual tastes. |
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23:20.38 | spdsktr | destinal: I should take it drinking then, prollya good wingman |
23:21.03 | spdsktr | I asked Dieter if he used that profile you guys created, and yes he thinks he put it on that pre-prod unit, but swears he has not downloaded those apps |
23:21.19 | rwhitby | spdsktr: can you open the backup app and see if there is a profile listed in the app menu there |
23:22.07 | spdsktr | rwhitby: why yes, there is! idk the password tho |
23:23.19 | spdsktr | not listing an email address |
23:24.45 | rwhitby | spdsktr: see /msg |
23:25.49 | destinal | egaudet: hmm, beagleboard's only $125 on digikey now. tempted to grab one to work on my low level omap and powervr experience (and of course to try loading webos on it :) ) |
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23:35.40 | destinal | egaudet: alas, not in stock anywhere right now, it seems. |
23:37.20 | rwhitby | wow, Palm listed my presentation before Phil McKinney's: http://blog.palm.com/palm/2010/11/devdaynyc.html |
23:38.43 | rwhitby | So, anyone see the Firesheep port to webOS? I'm wondering how he's snooping the data. |
23:39.04 | rwhitby | http://www.precentral.net/firesheep-ported-webos-now-anyone-pre-can-steal-your-passwords-video |
23:39.25 | bhern | 33i did :) |
23:40.48 | destinal | bhern: hey! |
23:40.56 | destinal | rwhitby: yeah I saw it too but haven't grabbed it yet. sounds like the wifi chip would have to have monitor mode for this to work, IIRC |
23:41.23 | rwhitby | destinal: that's what I thought. the fso guys have a wifi driver rewrite, but I didn't think they had monitor working yet. |
23:41.43 | rwhitby | bhern: g'day |
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23:44.27 | bhern | i'm curious to tinker with that if anyone does get their hands on it |
23:47.00 | rwhitby | bhern: yeah, I'm going to reach out to them to get info, and maybe to get it in Preware with a front-end. I know that destinal and jhojho are keen to get everything working over SSL only |
23:51.40 | bhern | i suspect i know what they're doing but i'd like to see it just the same |
23:51.49 | bhern | plus... it'd be a handy tool :) |
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