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| 00:53.02 | Tibfib | not sure who's been working on this... but what's the progress in a pre2 on sprint? |
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| 00:54.33 | scoutcamper | Tibfib, that is rwhitby 's department |
| 00:54.53 | Tibfib | rwhitby ping! |
| 00:54.54 | rwhitby | doesn't have Sprint in his country |
| 00:54.59 | Tibfib | thanks scoutcamper |
| 00:55.21 | rwhitby | Tibfib: status is that we're waiting now for HP to ship the Pre 2 devices to our folks who bought them |
| 00:55.23 | Tibfib | rwhitby: does everything work right? or are there still profile issues (if those were the issues) |
| 00:55.49 | Tibfib | alrighty, I'll wait for the smart people to figure it out :) |
| 00:55.57 | rwhitby | Palm's servers do not recognise a P102EWW (Sprint Pre 2) so they reject profile stuff |
| 00:56.09 | Tibfib | oh, that sucks |
| 00:56.11 | Tibfib | everything? |
| 00:56.21 | SineOt | Would it be possible to change what it reports as? |
| 00:56.23 | Tibfib | All I care about is my app purchases |
| 00:56.38 | jp22382 | hi all, could anyone point me in the right direction for creating a .patch or .ipk that replaces an image? I also have a text edit to a .json file but know how to do that from looking at examples. |
| 00:57.09 | scoutcamper | rwhitby, is there any reason you cant overright the device id to a P100EWW? |
| 00:57.16 | scoutcamper | and disable ota? |
| 00:59.07 | scoutcamper | or was that attempted at dev day? |
| 01:00.36 | halfhalo | thinks after cmda pre2's are el livo progess will be made |
| 01:01.28 | Tibfib | halfhalo: why does it matter? can't you swap an at&t pre plus with a pre minus? |
| 01:03.30 | SineOt | If you can, you still have access to CDMA versions of webOS for a Pre Plus |
| 01:03.40 | SineOt | You don't have that right now with the Pre2 |
| 01:03.44 | halfhalo | ^what he said |
| 01:03.50 | halfhalo | is busy atm with ces emails |
| 01:04.05 | Tibfib | oh, the webOS version? |
| 01:04.06 | SineOt | All you have with the Pre2 right now is GSM versions of webOS, and no CDMA ones |
| 01:04.14 | Tibfib | gotcha |
| 01:04.19 | Tibfib | makes sense |
| 01:04.51 | SineOt | once the Verizon Pre2 launches I'm sure it'll be a ton easier on everyone to get things ironed out just because you'll have both CDMA and GSM versions of webOS |
| 01:04.57 | halfhalo | yupyup |
| 01:05.05 | Tibfib | I was just thinking hardware wise :) |
| 01:05.20 | halfhalo | intel press conference registered! |
| 01:06.24 | scoutcamper | halfhalo, what about palm? |
| 01:06.51 | halfhalo | has gotten no emails from them yet |
| 01:07.15 | scoutcamper | wants halfhalo to liveblog palm ces in irc |
| 01:07.40 | halfhalo | their not doing a thing like that this year |
| 01:07.46 | halfhalo | only press invite only stuff |
| 01:07.52 | SineOt | aren't you press? P: |
| 01:08.06 | halfhalo | yeah, but need invite as well :p |
| 01:08.26 | SineOt | ping the Palm press email and ask about it |
| 01:08.34 | halfhalo | did, never heard back |
| 01:12.10 | SineOt | OMG... This Boxee remote is a billion times better than the one in Preware right now |
| 01:12.22 | scoutcamper | halfhalo, have adora get one for you |
| 01:13.07 | oil | waits is waiting for a pre2 to show up :) |
| 01:13.52 | halfhalo | scoutcamper: she most likely cant, not in the same loop |
| 01:14.19 | scoutcamper | maybe she can walk a couple office doors down and ask arround? |
| 01:14.54 | halfhalo | is just going to wait till the 15th then may ask |
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| 01:45.47 | scoutcamper | waits for the epic conversations to start |
| 01:47.11 | PuffTheMagic | how about this |
| 01:47.15 | PuffTheMagic | pixi >> pre2 |
| 01:47.25 | SineOt | Pixi 2 > * |
| 01:48.02 | scoutcamper | Pre 1>> Palm PAd? |
| 01:48.12 | SineOt | I think most of the guts on the Pixi are hollow just to make enough room for the battery to fit in without bulging. Imagine if they could just spread it out to be something along the lines of the iPhone 4s, where it's just one massive flat thing? |
| 01:48.14 | scoutcamper | s/Pre 1/Pre 2/ |
| 01:48.15 | PuffTheMagic | SineOt, i sure how there is a pixi2 |
| 01:48.16 | SineOt | You could make a way thing phone |
| 01:48.34 | SineOt | sure how there is? wat P: |
| 01:49.29 | bhodder | palm pre2 is definitely great |
| 01:50.07 | scoutcamper | bhodder, SUPERCOWPOWERS |
| 01:50.27 | bhodder | lol |
| 01:50.48 | scoutcamper | waits for someone to port that to 1.4.5 |
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| 02:42.32 | scoutcamper | halfhalo, start an ethical debate plz |
| 02:42.39 | scoutcamper | irc is too quiet tonight |
| 02:42.50 | oil | cake or pie? |
| 02:42.56 | scoutcamper | cake :D |
| 02:43.46 | halfhalo | gets hungry and eats his a's |
| 02:43.53 | scoutcamper | oil, since the open source stuff is out, how far from an overclock pre 2 kernel are we? |
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| 02:44.15 | oil | is not up on the kernel development |
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| 02:44.36 | oil | but i believe unixpsycho is waiting on his pre2 |
| 02:44.37 | oil | ? |
| 02:44.40 | oil | im not sure |
| 02:45.31 | bpadalino | has anyone received confirmation of their unlocked pre2 shipping from hp? |
| 02:45.41 | oil | no confirmation yet |
| 02:45.48 | oil | website still says its not been shipped yet |
| 02:45.51 | bpadalino | same here |
| 02:46.18 | bpadalino | no wonder the overnight shipping was so cheap! |
| 02:46.25 | oil | LOL |
| 02:47.38 | Puffy_pixi | it was cheap causw it's less than a lb |
| 02:48.00 | scoutcamper | bpadalino, overnight=overnight from the next solar eclipse |
| 02:48.17 | Puffy_pixi | in a massive company like hp processing will take a few days |
| 02:48.52 | bpadalino | weird, since it says the 8th is the expected delivery date on the status page |
| 02:49.03 | Puffy_pixi | overnight means once it ships it will take less than a day |
| 02:49.19 | Puffy_pixi | not that it will ship out right away |
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| 02:49.38 | Puffy_pixi | bpadalino: what status page? |
| 02:49.55 | Puffy_pixi | is wating for email |
| 02:50.05 | hlfhlo | DUNDUNDUN!!!!! |
| 02:50.11 | bpadalino | the one that says the order number, etc .. |
| 02:50.32 | bpadalino | in the order confirmation a link highlighted "order status" |
| 02:50.42 | Puffy_pixi | bpadalino: you get a email with the order status? |
| 02:50.53 | egaudet | Puffy_pixi, iwpriv eth0 still doesn't tell me 0x8BEE that was failing on earlier |
| 02:50.54 | bpadalino | just order confirmation - which has a link to order status |
| 02:52.04 | Puffy_pixi | egaudet: I will check it out after I am donw watching fringe |
| 03:02.36 | dtzWill | come on hp shup us those pre2's! |
| 03:02.38 | dtzWill | cracks whip |
| 03:03.16 | oil | gets pitchfork and joins mob |
| 03:03.41 | oil | *rabble rabble rabble* |
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| 03:03.46 | scoutcamper | burns down a small forest and joins mob :D |
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| 03:13.43 | Puffy_pixi | hlfhlo: why you buy my old domain? |
| 03:14.34 | hlfhlo | didn't know it was your old domain till he was told today and he wanted a pre related domain fo some webos testing stuffs |
| 03:15.07 | scoutcamper | Puffy_pixi, what is the address? |
| 03:15.52 | rwhitby | www.louvre.fr |
| 03:16.07 | rwhitby | oh, hang on. www.preyourmind.org |
| 03:16.15 | scoutcamper | LOL! |
| 03:16.19 | oil | visits www.louvre.fr |
| 03:16.20 | Puffy_pixi | hlfhlo: ya that was mine |
| 03:16.24 | hlfhlo | still can't actually see the image due to his stupid dns |
| 03:16.31 | rwhitby | oil: hard to tell them apart |
| 03:16.36 | oil | lol |
| 03:17.00 | Puffy_pixi | I love how my old domain is now a rick roll |
| 03:17.06 | Puffy_pixi | against me |
| 03:17.16 | halfhalo | :p |
| 03:17.24 | oil | haha |
| 03:17.56 | halfhalo | hasn't even pointed it at a server yet... just domain forwarding via godaddy |
| 03:18.06 | Puffy_pixi | guess I should make a mockup of next wirc for that site |
| 03:18.55 | Puffy_pixi | halfhalo: well you now have the most bas ass pre domain imaginable |
| 03:19.08 | halfhalo | DUNDUNDUN!!!!! |
| 03:19.22 | oil | has always thought "preyourmind" was a great name |
| 03:19.31 | rwhitby | halfhalo: some people probably still have that site in their preware configs |
| 03:19.45 | Puffy_pixi | oil: it was and is |
| 03:19.49 | scoutcamper | halfhalo, you should do a dns redirect to webos-internals.org |
| 03:19.53 | Puffy_pixi | I should have let it expire |
| 03:19.54 | halfhalo | will look at that once its up |
| 03:20.09 | Puffy_pixi | shouldn't have |
| 03:20.10 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, looks like most of the private ioctl's are defined in marvel's code |
| 03:20.26 | Puffy_pixi | ? |
| 03:20.38 | Puffy_pixi | in their oss code? |
| 03:20.41 | egaudet | yeah |
| 03:20.59 | Puffy_pixi | there has to be libertas equivelants |
| 03:21.38 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, I don't think so |
| 03:21.57 | scoutcamper | ok, i give, Puffy_pixi egaudet what evil plan are you concocting? |
| 03:21.57 | egaudet | these are private ioctls defined by the hw/driver, not generic |
| 03:22.13 | Puffy_pixi | I know that |
| 03:22.19 | Puffy_pixi | that's why they are priv |
| 03:22.44 | Puffy_pixi | egaudet: check upstream libertas |
| 03:22.54 | Puffy_pixi | git.kernel.org |
| 03:23.01 | Puffy_pixi | compat-wireless |
| 03:24.06 | Puffy_pixi | it builds on .26 |
| 03:24.13 | Puffy_pixi | but it don't load |
| 03:24.18 | Puffy_pixi | gpio pin issue |
| 03:25.10 | egaudet | in .36 kernel tree drivers/net/wireless/libertas ? |
| 03:25.33 | Puffy_pixi | no |
| 03:25.45 | Puffy_pixi | compat-wireless repo |
| 03:25.55 | Puffy_pixi | has latest wifi backported |
| 03:27.48 | egaudet | have you tried the latest already? |
| 03:28.18 | Puffy_pixi | I've tried libertas from compat-wireless |
| 03:28.24 | Puffy_pixi | it build and loads |
| 03:28.30 | Puffy_pixi | but don't work |
| 03:28.37 | Puffy_pixi | gpio error |
| 03:28.48 | Puffy_pixi | gonna work that out with morphis |
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| 03:31.49 | egaudet | how do you even build? |
| 03:32.59 | PuffTheMagic | ohhh |
| 03:33.03 | PuffTheMagic | get a tar ball |
| 03:33.10 | PuffTheMagic | git is a pita for that |
| 03:33.18 | PuffTheMagic | need to do all this voodoo |
| 03:35.32 | Loudergood | too bad there's no open pvr driver |
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| 03:37.05 | egaudet | Loudergood, there is |
| 03:37.16 | Loudergood | oh |
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| 03:38.13 | egaudet | get a tar ball? from space? |
| 03:38.37 | Loudergood | what's it called? |
| 03:38.40 | PuffTheMagic | from linux wireless website |
| 03:41.28 | PuffTheMagic | http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-2.6-stable/v2.6.32/compat-wireless-2.6.32.16.tar.bz2 |
| 03:44.58 | egaudet | Loudergood, the TI Graphics SDK is open source |
| 03:45.34 | egaudet | Palm has released code on opensource.palm.com as well for their modified version of the pvr driver |
| 03:45.40 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet, nice work on the ioctls |
| 03:45.51 | PuffTheMagic | wpa is working via luna on my pre :D |
| 03:46.28 | egaudet | nice |
| 03:46.57 | PuffTheMagic | and web browsing working |
| 03:47.17 | PuffTheMagic | i really dont want to have to build the ieeee modules into this module though |
| 03:47.41 | PuffTheMagic | i just stripped all that shit out of the repo |
| 03:47.48 | PuffTheMagic | now i have to revert those commits |
| 03:48.23 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet, sure wish i knew why the touchscreen stops working in 2.0 |
| 03:48.47 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, you don't have to build the ieeee into that module |
| 03:48.56 | egaudet | can build them separately |
| 03:49.08 | PuffTheMagic | but then u have to modprobe them your self |
| 03:49.18 | PuffTheMagic | thats not a viable solution |
| 03:50.49 | dtzWill | what _are_ you guys up to? looking for an alt wireless driver for one of the devices? |
| 03:51.00 | scoutcamper | PuffTheMagic, egaudet what are u doing? |
| 03:51.03 | halfhalo | their crazy |
| 03:51.32 | PuffTheMagic | dtzWill, ya, i got an opensource wifi driver working on the pre |
| 03:51.40 | PuffTheMagic | and egaudet made it work in luna |
| 03:51.53 | Loudergood | presumably working on getting open driver support for all the hardware so that we can use newer kernels |
| 03:52.04 | PuffTheMagic | nothing to do with newer kernels |
| 03:52.07 | PuffTheMagic | that is a pipe dream |
| 03:52.47 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, why is it not a viable solution? |
| 03:53.11 | dtzWill | PuffTheMagic: sweet deals :). |
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| 03:53.56 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet, how are u going to ensure they get loaded? |
| 03:54.31 | destinal | ? |
| 03:54.39 | PuffTheMagic | destinal, ?? |
| 03:54.44 | halfhalo | ??? |
| 03:55.01 | destinal | what's wrong with trying for mainline? |
| 03:55.19 | PuffTheMagic | destinal, what are u talking about? |
| 03:55.28 | destinal | newer kernels is a pipedream, you say |
| 03:55.33 | destinal | defend that statement! :) |
| 03:55.47 | PuffTheMagic | well... the pre has been out for 1.5 years now |
| 03:55.53 | PuffTheMagic | and no one has come close |
| 03:56.00 | PuffTheMagic | everyone who has tried has given up |
| 03:56.07 | PuffTheMagic | unless palm releases a newer kernel |
| 03:56.10 | destinal | ok, so it's challenging |
| 03:56.27 | destinal | _very_ challenging |
| 03:57.02 | PuffTheMagic | its too challenging for anyone to expect a newer kernel to emerge from the hb community before palm them selves release a newer kernel |
| 03:57.14 | PuffTheMagic | and even if that happened |
| 03:57.22 | PuffTheMagic | its not like its going to bring magical new powers |
| 03:57.25 | PuffTheMagic | and super speeds |
| 03:57.32 | PuffTheMagic | which eveyone seems to thinkl |
| 03:58.00 | destinal | no, there's nothing wrong with the kernel palm maintains so long as they or TI backport critical thingsd |
| 03:58.05 | destinal | I'm ok |
| 03:58.24 | PuffTheMagic | we can backport critical things too |
| 03:58.25 | PuffTheMagic | thats easy |
| 03:58.39 | Loudergood | I was under the impression that one of the main difficulties was binary drivers compiled for a specific kernel abi...that's all |
| 03:58.43 | PuffTheMagic | its reimplementing the sirloin board stuff that is hard |
| 03:58.54 | PuffTheMagic | Loudergood, no that is not an issue |
| 03:59.02 | Loudergood | I see |
| 03:59.10 | PuffTheMagic | Loudergood, the issue is not having source code for those closed source modules |
| 03:59.16 | halfhalo | wants steak now... |
| 03:59.16 | PuffTheMagic | if we had them we could rebuild them |
| 03:59.30 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, we have source for everything now |
| 04:00.05 | Loudergood | I was under the impression that graphics and wireless were the closed source modules |
| 04:00.22 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet, wireless is open now :D |
| 04:00.23 | Loudergood | hence my confusion |
| 04:00.30 | PuffTheMagic | err |
| 04:00.36 | PuffTheMagic | Loudergood, wireless is open now :D |
| 04:00.40 | Loudergood | and my huge ^5 to you guys |
| 04:00.51 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, wireless is open, and we have bridgedriver and graphics driver source too |
| 04:00.53 | egaudet | that's all of the modules |
| 04:01.07 | PuffTheMagic | we dont have the useland shit for the graphics |
| 04:01.17 | PuffTheMagic | so having the graphics stuff is useless |
| 04:01.23 | PuffTheMagic | 1/2 useless |
| 04:03.19 | egaudet | we have userland stuff for the graphics |
| 04:03.26 | egaudet | just no combination that works on pre-/+ |
| 04:03.41 | dtzWill | oh wow, i just found out something interesting |
| 04:03.51 | egaudet | once the pre2 gets here I'll verify that we can rebuild working graphics driver |
| 04:03.55 | dtzWill | doctoring your device works _much_ better when you don't use a faulty usb port x.x |
| 04:04.07 | dtzWill | :( |
| 04:04.11 | Loudergood | ouch |
| 04:04.17 | halfhalo | awwww |
| 04:04.25 | egaudet | lol, I have to always unplug and replug my usb cable because it gets so damn sluggish |
| 04:04.44 | egaudet | the doctor ramdisk was loading at a snail's pace yesterday at one point |
| 04:05.20 | dtzWill | i'm just glad b/c previously it would consistently fail while trying to format one of the partitions |
| 04:05.26 | dtzWill | and...that failing repeatedly was :( |
| 04:05.32 | dtzWill | on my brand new pixi :( |
| 04:05.43 | dtzWill | broken usb port? psh i got plenty more xD |
| 04:05.49 | Loudergood | oh yeah, so good news for you |
| 04:06.09 | Loudergood | nothing is worse than getting shiny new hardware and thinking it's broken |
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| 04:20.54 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet, u never told me how u plan to ensure the ieee modules are loaded if built as modules |
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| 04:24.50 | egaudet | upstart |
| 04:25.01 | egaudet | or depmod |
| 04:25.26 | PuffTheMagic | depmod is for modprobe |
| 04:25.35 | PuffTheMagic | that wont help if the wifi service uses insmod |
| 04:25.42 | egaudet | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.54 | PuffTheMagic | what if they get unloaded? |
| 04:26.39 | egaudet | yell at whoever did that |
| 04:27.56 | egaudet | although I guess there will be a bit of a race condition |
| 04:28.18 | egaudet | I don't know exactly how upstart works |
| 04:29.16 | PuffTheMagic | PmWiFiService could modprobe the ieee modules |
| 04:29.23 | PuffTheMagic | but im just worried they could get unloaded |
| 04:29.26 | PuffTheMagic | then people will be stuck |
| 04:29.39 | PuffTheMagic | may as well just build them all into the wifi driver |
| 04:29.52 | egaudet | PmWiFiService modprobe huh? |
| 04:30.04 | egaudet | why would you worry that something could get unloaded? |
| 04:30.07 | egaudet | modules don't unload themselves |
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| 04:30.23 | PuffTheMagic | wait a sec |
| 04:30.28 | PuffTheMagic | maybe we can make a udev rule |
| 04:30.34 | PuffTheMagic | that catches when sd8xxx is loaded |
| 04:30.40 | PuffTheMagic | and autoloads the ieee modules |
| 04:30.41 | egaudet | sd8xxx cannot be loaded |
| 04:31.01 | egaudet | the ieee modules must be loaded prior to sd8xxx attempting to loead |
| 04:31.03 | egaudet | load* |
| 04:31.08 | PuffTheMagic | yes no shit |
| 04:31.16 | egaudet | so udev rule can't happen |
| 04:31.17 | Loudergood | can you blacklist it with a modules.conf? |
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| 04:31.21 | egaudet | because sd8xxx will NEVER get loaded |
| 04:32.19 | PuffTheMagic | there is no udev rule right now for sd8xxx |
| 04:32.24 | PuffTheMagic | so of course it will fail |
| 04:32.30 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, what are you talking about? |
| 04:32.40 | PuffTheMagic | have u ever written udev rules? |
| 04:32.42 | egaudet | sd8xxx cannot load becuase it has missing symbols, no udev rule will ever get triggered |
| 04:33.17 | PuffTheMagic | if u got that error, then it was attempted to load |
| 04:33.19 | PuffTheMagic | but failed |
| 04:33.32 | PuffTheMagic | which means there should be an event that occured when it tried to load |
| 04:33.37 | egaudet | no there isn't |
| 04:33.57 | egaudet | and even if there was, it failed you can't do that, PmWiFiService will move on |
| 04:34.04 | egaudet | I don't think there's a way to do what you think |
| 04:34.25 | egaudet | the symbols need to exist otherwise the module isn't getting in, you have to do that BEFORE insmod is ever called |
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| 04:34.37 | PuffTheMagic | modprobe ieee80211 || return 1 |
| 04:34.51 | PuffTheMagic | will prevent pmwifi from starting |
| 04:34.56 | egaudet | huh? |
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| 04:36.06 | PuffTheMagic | if modprobe fails it will not return 0 |
| 04:36.11 | PuffTheMagic | like any normal app |
| 04:36.31 | PuffTheMagic | so check its return value end the script if it does not load |
| 04:37.04 | egaudet | where are you putting that? |
| 04:37.32 | egaudet | I was trying to avoid patching |
| 04:38.23 | PuffTheMagic | if we are going to overwrite a kernel module, what do have against patching the pmwifi upstart script? |
| 04:39.19 | egaudet | I've grown to despise patching |
| 04:39.21 | egaudet | lol |
| 04:39.56 | halfhalo | has popcorn |
| 04:40.40 | oil | lol |
| 04:40.59 | rwhitby | egaudet: put it in a theme instead |
| 04:41.04 | egaudet | haha |
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| 04:42.53 | egaudet | wonders what would happen if I made a package that aufs'd all of /etc and /usr |
| 04:42.57 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet, well its either a race condition, or patch |
| 04:43.00 | PuffTheMagic | pick your evil |
| 04:43.05 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, well how does upstart work |
| 04:43.21 | PuffTheMagic | what kind of question is that |
| 04:43.30 | halfhalo | a good one? |
| 04:43.33 | egaudet | if A and B both start on "stopped finished" and C starts on A started, is there any rule that says B will or will not start before C |
| 04:44.05 | PuffTheMagic | its threaded |
| 04:44.07 | PuffTheMagic | so its a race |
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| 04:45.21 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, or just reproduce PmWifiService upstart |
| 04:45.24 | halfhalo | hides the loot |
| 04:45.38 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet, and overwrite it ? |
| 04:45.49 | PuffTheMagic | how is that different than a patch? |
| 04:45.58 | egaudet | PmWifiService_libertas starts on started PmWiFiService, stops PmWiFiService and does what WiFiService was going to do but first loads ieeee's |
| 04:46.11 | PuffTheMagic | thats retarded |
| 04:46.23 | egaudet | but it persists accross updates, so BAM! |
| 04:46.30 | egaudet | EN YO FACE |
| 04:48.11 | egaudet | hell as a matter of fact, let's bspatch a new copy of PmWiFiService that changes sd8xxx insmod to libertas insmod, and not overwite any palm file |
| 04:49.05 | rwhitby | egaudet: one letter too few |
| 04:49.59 | egaudet | rwhitby, but the insmod line has a couple parameters we don't need |
| 04:50.04 | egaudet | so we got plenty to work with ;) |
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| 04:52.11 | PuffTheMagic | egaudet, so this libertas driver work with palms firmware |
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| 04:59.58 | PuffTheMagic | PuffTheMagic, sorta workks |
| 05:00.10 | PuffTheMagic | interface comes up |
| 05:00.21 | PuffTheMagic | i can connect to my existing profile |
| 05:00.33 | PuffTheMagic | iwlist eth0 scanning works |
| 05:00.43 | PuffTheMagic | but the luna app cant seem to get a list of networks |
| 05:00.54 | oil | <PuffTheMagic> PuffTheMagic, sorta workks |
| 05:00.55 | oil | xD |
| 05:02.26 | scoutcamper | what oil said |
| 05:03.18 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, WLAN_CACHE_SCAN_NETWORKS is being dummied |
| 05:03.31 | egaudet | as is WLAN_SCANPROBES |
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| 05:05.07 | PuffTheMagic | i dont get why this worked with the other fw |
| 05:05.48 | egaudet | oh it works with other firmware? |
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| 05:05.51 | egaudet | then good |
| 05:06.10 | PuffTheMagic | what? |
| 05:06.13 | PuffTheMagic | im confused |
| 05:06.18 | PuffTheMagic | idk what u are referring to |
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| 05:07.05 | egaudet | <PuffTheMagic> i dont get why this worked with the other fw |
| 05:07.19 | Puffy_pixi | yes I said that |
| 05:08.44 | Puffy_pixi | using the fw from marvels site, luna shows available networks |
| 05:08.59 | Puffy_pixi | using palm fw luna does not |
| 05:09.18 | Puffy_pixi | but with both fw eth0 exists |
| 05:09.24 | Puffy_pixi | and can associate |
| 05:09.31 | Puffy_pixi | and transfer data |
| 05:09.52 | Puffy_pixi | and with palm fw, iwlist eth0 scanning works |
| 05:10.12 | Puffy_pixi | so I don't get why luna can't see accesspoints |
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| 05:12.00 | scoutcamper | hopes this doesnt just hit a snag and die like frankendoctor did |
| 05:12.32 | SineOt | scoutcamper: I take it it's switching some wifi drivers, but what for? :o |
| 05:12.56 | scoutcamper | new wifi abilites from what i gather |
| 05:13.48 | PuffTheMagic | how about just opensource drivers |
| 05:14.01 | PuffTheMagic | not needing palms closed source shit |
| 05:14.23 | PuffTheMagic | how about maybe ap mode and mesh mode in the future |
| 05:14.31 | PuffTheMagic | how about injection or monitor mode |
| 05:14.39 | scoutcamper | mesh mode? |
| 05:15.01 | PuffTheMagic | mesh is like multi peer adhoc mode |
| 05:15.12 | scoutcamper | ahh |
| 05:15.13 | scoutcamper | ok |
| 05:15.15 | PuffTheMagic | imagine 100 pre's in a room all forming their own network |
| 05:15.33 | PuffTheMagic | imagine what that could do for pre2pre gaming |
| 05:15.48 | scoutcamper | PuffTheMagic, i want that if they all have LTE and each share their bandwith :D |
| 05:16.08 | scoutcamper | so i can mooch with my laptop |
| 05:16.16 | scoutcamper | yay speedy internet :D |
| 05:17.22 | PuffTheMagic | mesh wont help u if your laptop cant do mesh |
| 05:18.01 | scoutcamper | i have a broadcomm 57xx chipset |
| 05:18.44 | scoutcamper | yay |
| 05:18.48 | scoutcamper | per google it can |
| 05:18.50 | scoutcamper | :D |
| 05:18.51 | PuffTheMagic | that does not mean anything to me |
| 05:19.02 | PuffTheMagic | i dont emorize all chipsets |
| 05:19.22 | SineOt | that's why you read the next few lines that say "according to google it can!" |
| 05:20.01 | PuffTheMagic | i already pressed enter |
| 05:21.29 | scoutcamper | lol |
| 05:21.31 | scoutcamper | :D |
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| 05:29.11 | egaudet | PuffTheMagic, my googling tells me that iwpriv commands were ripped from libertas long ago and forwn upon using iwpriv... |
| 05:29.52 | egaudet | and I'm going to bed, night |
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| 05:37.19 | Puffy_pixi | egaudet: ya iwpriv is bad |
| 05:40.23 | oc80z | why |
| 05:42.03 | oc80z | <oc80z> I just installed Squid on my USB Mouse |
| 05:42.08 | oc80z | Skaag: oc80z: you serious? |
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| 05:47.22 | scoutcamper | halfhalo, start a debate on something |
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| 05:48.50 | halfhalo | no? |
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| 05:59.39 | scoutcamper | halfhalo, random debate, should preware be like cydia and allow paid homebrew? |
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| 06:08.29 | destinal | scoutcamper: too much hassle and then you become all commercial and stuff, who wants that? |
| 06:14.06 | rwhitby | never get between a lawyer and money |
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| 06:35.38 | NuttyBunny | Hi everyone |
| 06:35.44 | rwhitby | g'day NuttyBunny |
| 06:37.35 | NuttyBunny | I just got my AT&T Pre Plus (the free one for developers), but the thing won't boot at all, it just stay there, on the static palm logo (not glowing), I've left it charging and it goes nowhere. I disconnected the power and after a while it died... |
| 06:38.06 | rwhitby | NuttyBunny: recovery boot? |
| 06:38.07 | NuttyBunny | At least the recovery mode works, should I stop trying and just doctor it? :) |
| 06:38.26 | rwhitby | you should doctor it anyway, you have no idea what's been done to it before |
| 06:39.28 | NuttyBunny | Yeah, I'm downloading the doctor as we speak, but I'm on a 1mb line and it'll take at least another half hour :( |
| 06:39.40 | NuttyBunny | Do you know if these come unlocked? |
| 06:40.53 | rwhitby | I strongly doubt it |
| 06:42.42 | NuttyBunny | ok, I'll prepare the Meta Doctor to at least use it over wifi :) |
| 06:43.22 | NuttyBunny | I'll doctor it normally and stick my Telcel SIM on it, if it responds, fine, if it don't, I'll skip activation and use it on wifi until I unlock it :) |
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| 06:56.30 | ka6sox | Destinal, did you see that Pokey9000 made rdnis work on the nookcolor? that would be cool to have on webos. |
| 06:56.51 | ka6sox | would mean we didn't have the novacom drivers to communicate. |
| 06:57.50 | SineOt | NuttyBunny: Yeah, it's weird, my dev ATT did the same thing |
| 06:57.56 | SineOt | so I just doctored it with 1.4.5 |
| 06:58.09 | NuttyBunny | Too weird, I booted it with the install boot kernel (http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/Last_Resort_Emergency_BootLoader_Recovery), but I can't find anything strange in the logs... init 1 should reboot it? (it can't find the reboot command, nor shutdown) |
| 06:58.59 | NuttyBunny | I can't find anything weird in it, it just won't boot :( --- 71% for the Doctor :) |
| 06:59.04 | destinal | ka6sox: well there's already usbnet |
| 06:59.12 | destinal | ka6sox: but RNDIS is way more compatible. |
| 06:59.30 | destinal | I think the module we need is g_ether |
| 06:59.35 | destinal | RNDIS ethernet gadget |
| 06:59.55 | destinal | he had a serial gadget in the nooter image for nookcolor too which would be handy |
| 07:00.18 | destinal | bind it to a getty for when you can bring up a terminal but not much else |
| 07:01.26 | NuttyBunny | ok, tellbootie shutdown did the trick, booting again to see if I can find something interesting ;) |
| 07:01.39 | destinal | NuttyBunny: did you mount the disks? |
| 07:01.43 | destinal | looking for log stuff |
| 07:01.45 | destinal | ? |
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| 07:02.26 | NuttyBunny | yeah, no errors :( |
| 07:02.32 | destinal | hmmm |
| 07:02.49 | destinal | yeah I'd probably just doctor. nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure :P |
| 07:03.20 | NuttyBunny | I know, I just wanted to see if I could I find something before the doctor arrived to my machine... 81% :D |
| 07:03.22 | destinal | NuttyBunny: if you really wanted to know |
| 07:03.43 | destinal | NuttyBunny: you could enable developer mode and novaterm in, stop LunaSysMgr |
| 07:03.46 | destinal | and run it by hand |
| 07:03.53 | ka6sox | the serial gadget would be good for a non-proprietary console |
| 07:04.32 | destinal | NuttyBunny: you'd need the novacom drivers though, from SDK or doctor |
| 07:04.55 | NuttyBunny | destinal: it won't boot past the static palm logo, I just got it today (I've had a Pre for a year) :D |
| 07:05.09 | destinal | NuttyBunny: yeah but you can enable dev mode from the installer image |
| 07:06.17 | NuttyBunny | mmm.. well, if I boot from the installer image I can connect to the Pre, so, can I mount everything in its place and try to boot? |
| 07:06.33 | destinal | NuttyBunny: I personally wouldn't |
| 07:06.40 | destinal | NuttyBunny: I'd mount /var (store-var) |
| 07:06.51 | destinal | and "touch /var/gadget/novacom_enabled" |
| 07:07.01 | destinal | or "/mnt/var/gadget .. " whatever |
| 07:07.13 | destinal | then next time you boot normally novacom will work |
| 07:07.20 | destinal | even before Luna starts |
| 07:07.31 | NuttyBunny | destinal: ah, nice, lemme try it |
| 07:09.07 | destinal | NuttyBunny: now I know where I remember you from, the frankendoctor thread thing |
| 07:11.02 | NuttyBunny | and many other threads, I post regularly on greg_roll's Messaging plugins, and in somline's battery experiments :) |
| 07:11.50 | destinal | NuttyBunny: I tend to avoid forums, I've been in this from around when we started in IRC but I have like 2-3 posts in p|c |
| 07:12.43 | destinal | greg_roll is still doing the plugins? He used to hang around here and I guess he doesn't like us any more :) |
| 07:12.52 | NuttyBunny | I tend to be more over there... that way it's easier to follow the threads :) |
| 07:13.16 | NuttyBunny | greg, I think he's waiting for Palm to release the API's for webOS 2.0 for the messaging thingies |
| 07:13.39 | NuttyBunny | he updated the plugins a few days ago just to change some certificates, nothing new |
| 07:16.42 | destinal | does he still release source code too? |
| 07:16.57 | destinal | we used to have something in preware |
| 07:17.18 | NuttyBunny | No idea :( |
| 07:17.27 | destinal | NuttyBunny: any luck on getting novacom working in the normal boot process? |
| 07:17.47 | NuttyBunny | no, it doesn't run novacom :S |
| 07:18.49 | NuttyBunny | it just reports in linux an scsi removable disk (empty), but not the novaterm "device" |
| 07:18.52 | destinal | weird |
| 07:19.17 | NuttyBunny | I know, and I created the var/gadget/novacom_enabled file |
| 07:19.47 | NuttyBunny | I think it's crapping even before that line in miniboot.sh |
| 07:20.05 | destinal | NuttyBunny: so it never flashes the logo or anything then |
| 07:20.20 | NuttyBunny | no, nothing, just static palm |
| 07:20.44 | NuttyBunny | let me see if I can modify miniboot.sh to run novacom before everything else :D |
| 07:21.03 | destinal | NuttyBunny: before that even.. |
| 07:21.34 | destinal | try cycling it without losing power for long, either the power on and slide mute switch back and forth or remove battery for a fraction of a second, and |
| 07:21.50 | destinal | boot recovery and novacom get file://klog > log.txt |
| 07:22.13 | destinal | kernel log may be useful |
| 07:22.37 | NuttyBunny | mmm... slide mute doesn't work either... grrr |
| 07:23.08 | destinal | you know how? just hold power button down and go back and forth three times and keep holding power down? |
| 07:23.29 | destinal | if doesn't work, kernel may be stuck |
| 07:23.35 | NuttyBunny | yep, I've done it before, and it didn't work here |
| 07:25.14 | destinal | if you remove battery so briefly that RAM isn't erased you should be able to get that kernel log |
| 07:25.27 | destinal | timing is tricky |
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| 07:27.51 | NuttyBunny | it's late here, and it's not charging properly, I'm sure it doesn't charge when it's stuck, so, when I turn it off and on again, it goes to charge for several minutes before booting... |
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| 07:28.22 | NuttyBunny | ah! but I have my original Pre battery! :D |
| 07:28.24 | NuttyBunny | hehehe |
| 07:28.29 | NuttyBunny | I can play a bit longer |
| 07:28.31 | destinal | NuttyBunny: it'll charge in bootie mode also |
| 07:28.39 | destinal | recovery |
| 07:28.54 | destinal | at least I think |
| 07:29.31 | NuttyBunny | I thought so, but I really thing some file is there, corrupted, not letting it boot or even charge |
| 07:30.16 | destinal | NuttyBunny: I mean hold volume up on start to get recovery mode and I think it would charge there |
| 07:30.26 | destinal | not as fast as normal maybe |
| 07:30.36 | destinal | but yeah swapping batteries with a known good pre is an idea |
| 07:30.57 | NuttyBunny | Ah, yes, it does charge there, but maybe not after thar |
| 07:30.58 | NuttyBunny | that |
| 07:31.51 | destinal | other than the klog, don't know what else i'd do. oh, you could access the console screen |
| 07:32.23 | destinal | power off device and hold volume up + C and while holding those plug usb back in. it' |
| 07:32.28 | destinal | it's tricky to do |
| 07:33.04 | NuttyBunny | yeah, for the emergency boot, I'm there :) |
| 07:33.25 | destinal | the one where you get the scrolling text of kernel boot log? |
| 07:34.09 | destinal | it's volume up and the keyboard key "C" at the same time while plugging in |
| 07:34.18 | destinal | you have to hold volume up and C after that for a few seconds |
| 07:34.55 | destinal | looks like a regular linux boot text screen |
| 07:35.07 | NuttyBunny | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! no! I didn't knew of that one! |
| 07:35.12 | NuttyBunny | me wanna! :D |
| 07:35.52 | destinal | I use vol up and C on the left hand while plugging in usb with the right hand, you have to kind of use pushing USB in to press the device into your left so you push in the volume button, takes a little practice |
| 07:36.17 | destinal | and you hold vol up + C until you see text |
| 07:37.27 | NuttyBunny | I managed to do it on the first try, aaand... it stops just after reading Rsense and Full40, which, in turn are battery parameters |
| 07:38.03 | destinal | interesting |
| 07:38.19 | destinal | that doesn't sound like a good sign.. |
| 07:38.54 | destinal | I'd still doctor anyway |
| 07:38.59 | destinal | but wonder if it will work or not |
| 07:39.10 | NuttyBunny | no, I know... before that I read that /media/internal and cryptofs are fine |
| 07:39.18 | NuttyBunny | yes, I'm getting a bit worried |
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| 07:39.27 | destinal | it may have to do with tokens |
| 07:39.36 | NuttyBunny | well, if it doesn't I'll have a nice paperweight :S |
| 07:39.37 | destinal | battery calibration etc |
| 07:40.11 | destinal | NuttyBunny: if it's running this far it will run linux, we just have to figure out what webos's problem is |
| 07:40.12 | destinal | :) |
| 07:41.25 | destinal | anyway I have to go to bed but good luck with the doctor thing, feel free to come back if it's still not working and we can try more interesting surgery |
| 07:41.42 | NuttyBunny | I'll check the scripts to see if I can stick novaterm way before everything else, if I don't find anything, I'll doctor it :) |
| 07:41.46 | NuttyBunny | thanks for the help! |
| 07:41.57 | destinal | you're welcome |
| 07:42.04 | NuttyBunny | (I have to go to bed soon also, but I love hacking) ;) |
| 07:42.20 | destinal | NuttyBunny: you should definitely consider hanging out in webos-internals more :) |
| 07:42.32 | destinal | we do a lot of it here |
| 07:43.08 | destinal | night all |
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| 07:52.51 | NuttyBunny | all: I just ended up doctoring it :) Now I have to check if it comes unlocked :S see ya |
| 08:02.15 | ka6sox | nn NuttyBunny-sleep |
| 08:11.39 | NuttyBunny-sleep | just to report... after the doctor it boots, but only to find it's locked... will meta doctor it, but tomorrow, bye all :) |
| 08:12.12 | ka6sox | NuttyBunny-sleep, good plan(tm) |
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| 08:34.48 | destinal-sleep | NuttyBunny-sleep: or you could run this -- http://developer.palm.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2051 |
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| 13:30.13 | NuttyBunny | *yawn*... omg... what a night... I only slept 5 hours, hi everyone :) |
| 13:33.02 | NuttyBunny | I doctored my Dev Pre Plus, touched /var/gadget/novacom_enabled, skipped the first use app, touched the ran_first file, and have it working over wifi. No activation yet. Besides, it's locked :S ... no catalog access, obviously, as it has no profile and I haven't activated it yet... |
| 13:33.30 | NuttyBunny | I'm still wondering if I could tunnel my connection somehow to use an american ip address and try to activate that way |
| 13:34.13 | NuttyBunny | And, of course, the other thing, I still need to unlock it if I want to use as my main Pre :( |
| 13:34.29 | rwhitby | NuttyBunny: it does not depend on IP address |
| 13:35.44 | rwhitby | we believe it depends on the MCC/MNC values of your cellular connection at activation time. we also know that it sends an SMS message back to Palm at activation, the source country of which can easily be determined. |
| 13:35.52 | NuttyBunny | rwhitby: Is it possible to activate it over wifi? I mean, the first activation, or using a SIM is the only way to truly activate them? |
| 13:36.30 | NuttyBunny | so, I would need to use a cellular connection... |
| 13:37.00 | rwhitby | you require a first activation over cellular to get app catalog access |
| 13:37.22 | rwhitby | and it must be in an official country using an official launch partner SIM card |
| 13:37.45 | rwhitby | if you don't, you're screwed for the life of that comms card |
| 13:38.18 | NuttyBunny | the problem is some chat I had with Chuq, he said that Mexico isn't really supporting paid apps, they just opened it when we were using the prerelease doctors, and he doesn't know what would happen if (and when) the 2.0 version comes in... |
| 13:38.45 | NuttyBunny | I also don't know if this 1.4.5 device would work with the Mexico app catalog regarding to paid apps... |
| 13:39.35 | rwhitby | I do not believe Mexico is a supported paid app country. |
| 13:39.53 | rwhitby | I would advise you activate it in the US with an AT&T carrier sim. |
| 13:40.01 | NuttyBunny | The Palm page isn't really clear |
| 13:40.19 | rwhitby | Palm pages on the subject lie. So do Palm support reps. |
| 13:40.28 | NuttyBunny | I know, I just read your posts |
| 13:40.36 | rwhitby | NuttyBunny: http://twitter.com/webosinternals/status/13217986261286913 |
| 13:40.55 | NuttyBunny | that one ;) (and the P|C thread) |
| 13:40.59 | rwhitby | It has been pointed out to Developer Relations staff, but nothing has been done about it. |
| 13:41.07 | rwhitby | It is completely unacceptable. |
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| 13:42.16 | NuttyBunny | I know, but they only have info for devices bought and used on their respective countries, only a handful of the dev staff may really know what happens with the catalog on all the scenarios |
| 13:42.24 | rwhitby | The simple rule is: To get access to a certain country's app catalog, you need to first activate our device on that coutry's official Palm carrier partner while physically in that country. |
| 13:43.11 | rwhitby | NuttyBunny: Palm knows exactly what the algorithm is, and that should be published and distributed to all support staff. |
| 13:43.43 | NuttyBunny | Damn Telcel... I asked them and I could only get to "the 1.4.5 update is on the standardization area, if they don't release it they must have a reason" (and I think it's because Telcel want their cut of the apps money) |
| 13:44.29 | NuttyBunny | btw, the Telcel Pre dropped price, it's now about $350 w/no contract |
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| 14:21.55 | NuttyBunny | Hi destinal |
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| 15:33.48 | destinal | NuttyBunny: hey |
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| 15:40.43 | NuttyBunny | destinal: I managed to boot the Pre+ by doctoring, bypassed the activation tool editing the lunasysmgr file, and it's now there, running just on wifi. The thing is locked to AT&T :S |
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| 16:01.40 | NuttyBunny | mmm... looks like Telcel fixed their 3G issues. I'm about to do a public transport 5km trip, let's see if this holds :) |
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| 16:09.33 | NuttyBunny | No, they didn't, I still cannot roam thoughout the city without losing my connection. this sucks :( |
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| 17:54.57 | halfhalo | holy crap preyourmind is still being hit up for Packages |
| 17:55.16 | PuffTheMagic | yup |
| 17:55.37 | halfhalo | I mean... alot |
| 17:55.40 | PuffTheMagic | yup |
| 17:55.49 | halfhalo | I just brought up nginx and there has already been three requests in 5 minutes |
| 17:55.54 | PuffTheMagic | the domain is infested |
| 17:56.23 | PuffTheMagic | enjoy |
| 17:57.04 | halfhalo | is tempted to do a redirect :p |
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| 19:11.58 | Clipper87 | bhodder...sup? |
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| 19:12.28 | bhodder | not much you |
| 19:12.58 | Clipper87 | n2m dude you not on gmail.. |
| 19:14.40 | Clipper87 | anyhow...what's the haps today? anything new? |
| 19:18.33 | PuffTheMagic | Security Challenge Answer Requirements: |
| 19:18.33 | PuffTheMagic | Must be at least 1 alpha-numeric character and no more than 30 alpha-numeric characters. |
| 19:18.34 | PuffTheMagic | LOL |
| 19:18.37 | PuffTheMagic | 1 char |
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| 19:53.45 | createsoftware | Hi all! I've been wondering, have there been any effort/attenmpt to port ocaml or camllight to webos? Do you think it would be feasible? |
| 19:55.09 | destinal | createsoftware: I haven't heard of anything but there's no reason to think it wouldn't work just like any other language, ie it should be possible to make services or plugins with it but mojo is still javascript-based |
| 19:56.25 | destinal | so you could make services, full screen games, or hybrid apps, and the hybrid apps would be like the current ones, mojo front end, native back end |
| 19:57.06 | createsoftware | destinal: I see, thanks; but how would you make such things? |
| 19:57.16 | createsoftware | I mean, I was rather thinking of porting the interpreter |
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| 19:57.47 | createsoftware | In fact, a javascript VM already exists, but it requires the bytecode to have been generated before |
| 19:57.47 | destinal | createsoftware: no need to port, it's already in optware |
| 19:58.00 | createsoftware | Whereas I was more thinking of an ocaml toplevel |
| 19:58.02 | destinal | but it works on the linux system not in webos gui |
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| 19:58.12 | NuttyBunny | hi |
| 19:58.19 | createsoftware | createsoftware: wooo, awesome? |
| 19:58.25 | createsoftware | woops, awesome!* |
| 19:58.41 | createsoftware | destinal: Anywhere I can find extra information? |
| 19:58.52 | destinal | createsoftware: if you install optware / ipkg-opt from preware you can get to a command line and run ipkg-opt install ocam |
| 19:58.56 | destinal | ocaml |
| 19:59.11 | createsoftware | yay! |
| 19:59.28 | destinal | but again, stuff working on the linux side doesn't mean you can interact with the user by itself with it |
| 19:59.40 | createsoftware | hmmm |
| 19:59.54 | destinal | they can install terminal and run stuff in the terminal |
| 20:00.00 | createsoftware | Yup =) |
| 20:00.12 | createsoftware | I'm not planning on actually coding an app in ocaml for webos |
| 20:00.24 | destinal | createsoftware: ah ok then optware has everything you should need |
| 20:00.34 | createsoftware | that really rocks |
| 20:00.37 | createsoftware | give me a sec |
| 20:00.49 | destinal | loves optware |
| 20:02.38 | createsoftware | does too =) |
| 20:02.52 | createsoftware | Hmm, phone needs to reboot |
| 20:03.07 | destinal | yeah the optware environment sets up a bindmount for /opt |
| 20:03.10 | createsoftware | By the way, where can I submit translation fixes for preware? |
| 20:03.22 | createsoftware | I noticed a few tiny mistakes in the french translation |
| 20:03.27 | destinal | stuff gets installed in /opt to avoid impacting the base system |
| 20:04.49 | destinal | createsoftware: this is the right place, oil and/or rwhitby are probably the best people to talk to about that |
| 20:06.14 | createsoftware | Cool =) |
| 20:09.13 | createsoftware | rwhitby, oil: Translation note (French): When the checking device type step takes too long, a message explaining that this shouldn't happen is displayed. The last sentence reads "Vous devriez redémarrer votre téléphone et essayez à nouveau" , whereas it should read (for consistency) "Vous devriez redémarrer votre téléphone et essayer* à nouveau" |
| 20:11.32 | NuttyBunny | Guys, guys... I have a question! Rod, you may be the one to answer |
| 20:12.31 | destinal | NuttyBunny: you don't have to ask to ask! :) |
| 20:12.34 | NuttyBunny | What would happen if I don't activate the Pre, but I manage to unlock it? I would be able to use as a phone, install apps via preware, and overall "use" it, but with no Palm Profile, and whenever I get to go to the USA, I can activate it? |
| 20:12.45 | NuttyBunny | sorry, It just came to my mind :D |
| 20:13.02 | destinal | NuttyBunny: you can't use it as a phone without unlocking the baseband |
| 20:13.13 | NuttyBunny | I know |
| 20:13.16 | destinal | you could use it in any other way |
| 20:13.23 | NuttyBunny | but suppose I unlock it via nextgenserver |
| 20:13.28 | destinal | (except also no catalog) |
| 20:13.55 | NuttyBunny | Would I have phone/3g? (with no catalog) |
| 20:14.14 | Clipper87 | I was just goin to ask if anyone knew how to unlock these things |
| 20:14.15 | destinal | if you unlock the baseband you still don't have to activate or run firstuse |
| 20:14.25 | NuttyBunny | Ah, great! |
| 20:14.26 | destinal | so yeah you can use it for phone / data without catalog |
| 20:14.55 | Clipper87 | how do you go about unlockin these pres |
| 20:15.35 | NuttyBunny | Excellent, this way I won't bork my catalog. Thanks for the answer, I'll try to unlock it and pass all my apps from my Pre to the Plus, then I'll wait patiently until my work send me to the States ;) |
| 20:15.44 | destinal | Clipper87: some service provides codes I think |
| 20:15.57 | destinal | I don't know how you'd go about doing it yourself without that |
| 20:16.07 | NuttyBunny | http://www.nextgenserver.com/index.htm |
| 20:16.13 | PuffTheMagic | is gmail crawling for anyone else today? |
| 20:16.28 | NuttyBunny | Maybe manipulating the tokens we could unlock them... :D |
| 20:16.31 | createsoftware | PuffTheMagic: Not me :/ |
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| 20:17.31 | NuttyBunny | PuffTheMagic: Seems ok here also |
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| 20:17.37 | destinal | NuttyBunny: no I don't think so, the baseband is a totally separate SoC |
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| 20:18.09 | destinal | there may be ways to reprogram it but there seem to be a whole separate set of forums on that topic |
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| 20:19.07 | halfhalo | someone tell me somethin to ge at bestbuy.... im stumped |
| 20:19.22 | destinal | halfhalo: a nook color? |
| 20:19.40 | halfhalo | lol, no to much and no reason |
| 20:19.49 | NuttyBunny | mmmhhh... like we mexicans say: "hueva" (lazyness), I'll just buy the unlock service... with GuyFromNam's code... |
| 20:19.57 | NuttyBunny | wonders how much will it be |
| 20:20.00 | halfhalo | under or around 50 sine i have gift card |
| 20:20.36 | halfhalo | holy mother of... 3650 for 119?!? what are they smoking? |
| 20:20.52 | destinal | NuttyBunny: definitely watch out for activation, I hear you only get one shot in one location and that's where your paidapps (or lack of paid apps) is tied to forever |
| 20:21.14 | destinal | halfhalo: what and where? |
| 20:21.39 | halfhalo | at best buy and amd video card |
| 20:21.55 | destinal | NuttyBunny: or well forever until you get a new set of comm board tokens |
| 20:21.58 | halfhalo | ironically, i have a 3650 in my spares |
| 20:22.58 | destinal | NuttyBunny: or maybe it's first use that does it. whichever. I need to trace that conversation with palm.. |
| 20:23.03 | halfhalo | goes to look at remotes |
| 20:23.06 | NuttyBunny | destinal: That's what I'm trying to avoid, I already have it running, and I'll never ever will run the first run app until I get to the States and borrow an AT&T SIM :D |
| 20:23.42 | NuttyBunny | destinal: rwhitby says it's whenever you create your first profile on your Pre (first run app for the very first time), after that you're screwed :D |
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| 20:24.11 | destinal | NuttyBunny: are there many palm pre's in mexico? |
| 20:25.03 | destinal | I heard about the carrier, Telestra or something, that was carrying them but we don't hear a lot about them |
| 20:25.21 | NuttyBunny | destinal: I don't know, Telcel doesn't talk, but I think they sold many to their employees. On the streets I've seen a handful, so, I don't think it sold very well... they used the creepy lady ads |
| 20:25.32 | halfhalo | omg... 49 for a dtv rf remote.... |
| 20:25.43 | destinal | NuttyBunny: ugh, really brain dead marketing |
| 20:26.21 | NuttyBunny | There are two carriers which carry (carried) the Pre, Telcel, the "oficial, palm sponsored", with the GSM one, and Iusacell, CDMA, which brought Sprint pre activated Pres with paid apps and all, but they weren't supported properly either :S |
| 20:26.33 | NuttyBunny | so, the Pre did a really bad job over here :( |
| 20:26.46 | halfhalo | hates bb |
| 20:27.24 | createsoftware | destinal: Ok, I've installed ipkg-opt =) Dumb question: how do I get to the command line :/ Install Terminal? |
| 20:27.41 | NuttyBunny | I always ask about the Pre whenever I go to a Pre store, but the reps don't know a lot about it... even less about 1.4.5 or an eventual Pre 2 release... heck, even Chuq won't tell anything about a 2.0 / Pre 2 release for Telcel :( |
| 20:28.10 | halfhalo | lol |
| 20:28.14 | destinal | createsoftware: yup install terminal. Life sucked for linux stuff before we got terminal working. speaking of which I need to look at why it's broken in webos 2.0 |
| 20:28.33 | destinal | forgot about that |
| 20:29.00 | halfhalo | ah terminal... soo many issues.. |
| 20:29.15 | chandler | what was Terminal based on? or was it written from scratch? |
| 20:29.26 | chandler | I've noticed it has a lot of emulation bugs :-( |
| 20:29.29 | Clipper87 | id love to have terminal on pre 2 |
| 20:29.30 | destinal | NuttyBunny: well at least you can always buy an unlocked GSM pre2 direct from HP. (for $250 rather than $450 if you're a developer) |
| 20:29.45 | NuttyBunny | destinal: I'm still waiting for my coupon :D |
| 20:30.08 | NuttyBunny | gotta go, meal awaits |
| 20:30.13 | createsoftware | destinal: Ouch, I'm on webos 2 myself :/ |
| 20:30.32 | destinal | createsoftware: :( ok so sooner rather than later, sorry |
| 20:30.39 | createsoftware | no pb =) |
| 20:30.43 | halfhalo | is to poor for a pre2 even with dev coupon |
| 20:30.46 | createsoftware | Anything I can do to help? |
| 20:31.16 | destinal | createsoftware: depends on whether you're good with C and feel like debugging our NPAPI plugin |
| 20:31.34 | NuttyBunny | Would it work if I activate my Pre with a AT&T SIM but here in Mexico???? :S I'm in the same building as AT&T here in Mexico, I just learned that, and those guys use GSM phones with data enabled... *sigh* |
| 20:31.40 | createsoftware | I'm ok with C (I contributed to rockbox a little while ago (only minor stuff though)) |
| 20:32.00 | createsoftware | But I've never looked to any webos-related stuff |
| 20:32.17 | destinal | chandler: yeah terminal is very buggy. it was based off of the terminal code that mrvc (a former dev here) had made for a previous project and some NPAPI sample code I had hacked to use palm's extensions to the interface |
| 20:32.20 | createsoftware | And I never heard of the NPAPI plugin :/ |
| 20:32.53 | destinal | bbiab |
| 20:34.10 | destinal | createsoftware: NPAPI plugins are for extending browsers like in this case webkit that Luna the webos GUI is based on, it was the only way we could get raw graphics and keyboard support at the time. Now we could do a full screen SDL app (terminus is actually a start at that) or we could do a hybrid app (my preference) |
| 20:34.22 | destinal | but for the short term I should just fix it like I do every 6 months when webkit changes :) |
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| 20:34.35 | destinal | or someone else does often. egaudet last time |
| 20:34.49 | halfhalo | Lol |
| 20:35.27 | createsoftware | destinal: kudos to you then =)) |
| 20:39.59 | oil | createsoftware: translation patches welcome :) |
| 20:40.13 | createsoftware | oil: Cool; where do I get the files? |
| 20:40.38 | oil | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/preware.git;a=tree;f=resources;h=c965c7f7ac0b2d996e153d03bfba579371094437;hb=HEAD |
| 20:40.48 | halfhalo | lols |
| 20:41.27 | oil | strings.json basically lists english: translated |
| 20:41.30 | oil | for each |
| 20:42.35 | halfhalo | yupyup |
| 20:43.31 | createsoftware | oil: cloning =) |
| 20:44.26 | halfhalo | is gonna send oil a wirc patch laters today |
| 20:44.50 | oil | has heard that before, doesn't hold his breath :) |
| 20:44.56 | halfhalo | with underscore! |
| 20:45.08 | halfhalo | hey! i sent those that one time! |
| 20:45.53 | oil | doesn't remember |
| 20:46.31 | halfhalo | dundundun.... |
| 20:47.26 | oil | only remembers halfhalo crying, then oil saying "patches welcome :)" |
| 20:47.39 | halfhalo | lol |
| 20:47.58 | halfhalo | has innout |
| 20:48.01 | halfhalo | WIN |
| 20:48.08 | oil | has bk |
| 20:48.15 | halfhalo | ha |
| 20:58.10 | createsoftware | questions: where is the "Wiki Page" string used? Is "Category Default" the default category (that's how it's translated in french) |
| 20:58.50 | oil | i believe wiki page is in the help scene |
| 20:59.00 | oil | category default, im not sure |
| 20:59.10 | createsoftware | what about the " of " string ? |
| 20:59.24 | createsoftware | is it in like "10k of 200k"? |
| 20:59.35 | oil | probably |
| 20:59.55 | oil | didn't do all the setting it up for translation |
| 21:01.15 | oil | oh, category default is in prefs |
| 21:01.20 | oil | for the sorting option i think? |
| 21:03.23 | halfhalo | lied about patch.... he forgot his desk is in disarray for right now |
| 21:04.14 | oil | was right! haha |
| 21:04.35 | halfhalo | unless I send you an empty patch.... :p |
| 21:04.44 | oil | that... |
| 21:04.46 | oil | doesn't count |
| 21:04.49 | halfhalo | have you used underscore before? |
| 21:05.01 | oil | i use hte underscore key all the time |
| 21:05.13 | halfhalo | underscore.js |
| 21:06.09 | oil | var underscore = "_";? |
| 21:06.14 | halfhalo | i love it... its basically prototypes object manipulation stuff like .each on steroids |
| 21:06.20 | oil | lol |
| 21:07.17 | halfhalo | instead of forEach you just to _.each(obj,function(value,name){}); |
| 21:07.46 | halfhalo | or _.map/reduce/jello |
| 21:08.07 | createsoftware | oil: ok, done :) Where do I submit the patch? |
| 21:08.12 | createsoftware | gotta go btw |
| 21:08.16 | oil | um |
| 21:08.22 | oil | email it to me, and ill get it in there |
| 21:08.25 | oil | brandonvb@gmail |
| 21:08.38 | halfhalo | fires up zem spams |
| 21:08.48 | oil | eh, gmail does a pretty good job at blocking all my spam |
| 21:09.23 | halfhalo | is betting oil lets stuff related to webos through the filter ans will use that as a way in! |
| 21:09.39 | oil | "lets" nothing |
| 21:09.51 | oil | google handles it all |
| 21:10.09 | halfhalo | bah... wait... thats what I use... |
| 21:10.28 | halfhalo | has something like 50k emails in all his accounts |
| 21:10.41 | oil | has 1 account |
| 21:11.26 | destinal | createsoftware: for now you could always novacom or ssh into the pre and install and run ocaml there knowing that eventually there will be a good terminal again :) |
| 21:11.36 | halfhalo | has one standard gmail, one personal domain, one forum only type stuff domain, one media via another domain, and one school gmail |
| 21:12.54 | oil | uses + thing for random registrations |
| 21:13.22 | halfhalo | well, its not so much random registrations as the flood of emails from the forums I frequent |
| 21:13.36 | oil | uses the unsubscribe link |
| 21:13.42 | halfhalo | can't |
| 21:13.53 | oil | which is funny |
| 21:14.00 | halfhalo | forum moderator |
| 21:14.01 | oil | when i get random junk snailmail |
| 21:14.24 | oil | the fact there is no easy way to end it is rediculous |
| 21:15.44 | halfhalo | doesn't get snailmail |
| 21:16.03 | oil | gets some bills through the post office |
| 21:16.14 | halfhalo | doesn't save for one |
| 21:16.25 | halfhalo | wait... I do get snailspam from google |
| 21:16.39 | oil | lol |
| 21:17.29 | halfhalo | is going to make a custom 404 for preyourmind's feeds |
| 21:23.14 | destinal | halfhalo: will preware actually display it? |
| 21:23.36 | halfhalo | I have no idea... since their 404'ing already |
| 21:23.51 | oil | doesn't think so |
| 21:24.31 | destinal | halfhalo: you could always make a feed with nothing but a disable this feed app |
| 21:24.33 | destinal | :P |
| 21:24.53 | destinal | keep incrementing date so it shows up at the top |
| 21:26.03 | destinal | halfhalo: how many people hitting that feed are in asia, I wonder |
| 21:26.42 | halfhalo | destinal: http://pastebin.com/svkybzt3 |
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| 22:56.48 | destinal | egaudet: jhojho dtzWill rwhitby: the custom kernel s page on the wiki is really old, like 2009. is it still what people here are using for building the current kernel proejcts or is there better info elsewhere? |
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| 23:16.57 | createsoftware | Hi there, I'm back =) Anyone knows what to do when 'ipkg install ocaml' says package not found? |
| 23:17.11 | createsoftware | ipkg update doesn't return anything... |
| 23:18.02 | destinal | createsoftware: ipkg-opt install |
| 23:18.10 | createsoftware | aaaah |
| 23:18.13 | createsoftware | sorry :/ |
| 23:18.40 | destinal | it's cool, palm uses their own ipkg libraries (two of them, one for the base operating system, and another for apps) |
| 23:18.47 | destinal | so optware uses its own in /opt |
| 23:19.04 | destinal | and the ipkg-opt binary handles all that |
| 23:19.08 | createsoftware | cool =) |
| 23:19.22 | halfhalo | yay optware! |
| 23:19.33 | createsoftware | (I moved from ubuntu to windows, so I didn't have the previous conversation :/) |
| 23:19.43 | createsoftware | halfhalo: +1 ;) |
| 23:20.26 | createsoftware | looks like it's working =) (downloading) |
| 23:23.02 | createsoftware | woops |
| 23:23.23 | destinal | ? |
| 23:23.26 | createsoftware | I got a ipkg: write: No space left on device |
| 23:23.29 | createsoftware | message |
| 23:23.53 | createsoftware | Then "Configuring ocaml |
| 23:23.53 | createsoftware | , Successfully terminated". |
| 23:24.00 | createsoftware | But ocaml crashes on load |
| 23:24.06 | destinal | createsoftware: so this may sound like an odd question, but do you happen to have an emulator running? |
| 23:24.14 | createsoftware | Nope :) |
| 23:24.21 | createsoftware | Connected to my pre directly |
| 23:24.39 | createsoftware | how can I see how much space is left? |
| 23:25.14 | destinal | createsoftware: can you first do uname -a and paste the output? |
| 23:25.32 | createsoftware | Linux roadrunner 2.6.24-palm-joplin-3430 #1 48 armv7l unknown :) |
| 23:25.49 | destinal | hmm, has anyone installed optware on pre2 yet? rwhitby? |
| 23:26.29 | destinal | createsoftware: do "mount" to see if there's a bind mount for /opt |
| 23:26.38 | destinal | I suspect it's writing to the very small / instead |
| 23:27.22 | createsoftware | here : http://pastebin.com/mcSgTMcH |
| 23:27.50 | destinal | ah right they changed the stores around |
| 23:27.56 | destinal | for webos 2.0 |
| 23:28.15 | createsoftware | running ipkg-op install ocaml again returns "nothing to do, already installed" |
| 23:28.29 | destinal | createsoftware: well you shouldn't anyway without space |
| 23:28.37 | createsoftware | And ocaml complains about one of its core libs missing |
| 23:28.44 | createsoftware | destinal: ok =) |
| 23:28.45 | destinal | sure, it didn't finish extracting |
| 23:29.30 | createsoftware | should I mount /opt to somewhere else? |
| 23:31.04 | destinal | createsoftware: and you rebooted after installing, right? |
| 23:31.10 | createsoftware | I did =) |
| 23:31.18 | destinal | looks like maybe the boot script that handles that doesn't work in 2.0 :( |
| 23:31.22 | destinal | since it's clearly not bind mounted |
| 23:31.24 | createsoftware | woops |
| 23:31.30 | createsoftware | how can I do it? |
| 23:31.48 | destinal | let me install optware on my dev pre just to see how it *should* look |
| 23:31.56 | createsoftware | Is there any log file that I could get that would help? |
| 23:31.59 | createsoftware | ok =) |
| 23:32.59 | createsoftware | btw, df returns http://pastebin.com/fpT9vgrX |
| 23:38.33 | destinal | ok looks like /var/opt would normally get bind mounted under /opt, let me find the start script |
| 23:39.05 | destinal | its /etc/event.d/org.webosinternals.optware |
| 23:39.43 | destinal | createsoftware: try |
| 23:39.44 | destinal | start org.webosinternals.optware |
| 23:40.42 | destinal | or just: mount -o bind /var/opt /opt |
| 23:41.16 | destinal | which is the key thing it does besides making directories |
| 23:41.41 | createsoftware | ok |
| 23:42.49 | destinal | createsoftware: any errors? |
| 23:42.54 | createsoftware | first command returns http://pastebin.com/xfEdP8wX |
| 23:42.59 | createsoftware | without problems |
| 23:43.06 | createsoftware | should I run the second one? |
| 23:44.38 | destinal | createsoftware: run mount again just to be sure |
| 23:44.44 | destinal | just "mount" by itself |
| 23:44.48 | destinal | see if /opt shows up |
| 23:44.58 | createsoftware | nope |
| 23:45.04 | destinal | ok try mount -o bind /var/opt /opt |
| 23:45.29 | createsoftware | ok |
| 23:45.37 | createsoftware | doesn't return anything |
| 23:45.44 | destinal | ok mount | grep opt |
| 23:46.09 | createsoftware | /dev/mapper/store-var on /opt type ext3 (rw,noatime,data=writeback) |
| 23:46.09 | createsoftware | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:46.33 | destinal | good. looks like it worked, so what went wrong with the script, I wonder |
| 23:46.39 | createsoftware | dunno |
| 23:46.45 | createsoftware | should I try install again? |
| 23:47.13 | destinal | not yet |
| 23:47.19 | createsoftware | ok |
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| 23:48.12 | destinal | createsoftware: try this |
| 23:48.15 | rwhitby | optware works fine on the Pre 2, nothing has changed |
| 23:48.21 | destinal | cat org.webosinternals.optware|tail -12|head -10 |
| 23:48.25 | destinal | err wait |
| 23:48.39 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:48.49 | rwhitby | destinal: we use the autobuilder Makefiles for building kernels now |
| 23:49.20 | createsoftware | can't open org.webos(etc) |
| 23:49.21 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.26 | createsoftware | yup |
| 23:49.42 | createsoftware | done |
| 23:49.46 | destinal | createsoftware: now, sh /tmp/optware |
| 23:50.15 | createsoftware | Mounting /opt directory: /opt already mounted |
| 23:50.24 | destinal | ok, umount /opt |
| 23:50.27 | destinal | and try again |
| 23:50.53 | destinal | need to figure out why when you manually started the service it didn't mount |
| 23:51.17 | rwhitby | destinal: his mount entry says that its already mounted correctly |
| 23:51.26 | destinal | rwhitby: because I had him do it by hand |
| 23:51.38 | createsoftware | Output: "Mounting opt directory :" and that's all |
| 23:51.47 | destinal | createsoftware: mount | grep opt ? |
| 23:52.08 | createsoftware | /dev/mapper/store-var on /opt type ext3 (rw,noatime,data=writeback) |
| 23:52.17 | destinal | huh, and now it works.. |
| 23:52.22 | createsoftware | gah |
| 23:52.25 | createsoftware | strange |
| 23:52.38 | createsoftware | I must have done something wrong at some point |
| 23:52.45 | createsoftware | do you think I can install now? |
| 23:52.54 | destinal | I actually have some ideas what might have gone wrong but I really need webos 2.0 |
| 23:53.06 | destinal | createsoftware: ok do this one last thing |
| 23:53.12 | destinal | umount /opt |
| 23:53.14 | createsoftware | how should I clean up the space that got occupied by the first failed install |
| 23:53.17 | createsoftware | yup |
| 23:53.25 | destinal | now that /opt is the /opt in rootfs |
| 23:53.31 | destinal | rm -rf /opt; mkdir /opt |
| 23:53.54 | createsoftware | I'm trusting you there ;) |
| 23:54.03 | createsoftware | ok |
| 23:54.10 | createsoftware | done |
| 23:54.19 | rwhitby | I didn't see in the backlog how optware was initially installed |
| 23:54.29 | destinal | createsoftware: mount -o bind /var/opt /opt |
| 23:54.33 | destinal | rwhitby: preware |
| 23:54.36 | createsoftware | script again? |
| 23:54.39 | rwhitby | versions? |
| 23:54.52 | rwhitby | (of everything, including what installed Preware) |
| 23:55.05 | createsoftware | done |
| 23:55.09 | createsoftware | versions: |
| 23:55.34 | createsoftware | WebOS Quick install 3.14 |
| 23:55.52 | rwhitby | on a Pre 2 ? |
| 23:55.55 | createsoftware | preware 1.4.5 |
| 23:56.05 | createsoftware | rwhitby: yup |
| 23:56.18 | createsoftware | following what they said on a forum |
| 23:56.24 | rwhitby | I wasn't aware that Jason had qualified WOSQI for webOS 2.0 yet. |
| 23:56.34 | createsoftware | says error when installing, but installs fine anyway =) |
| 23:56.47 | createsoftware | at least preware runs flawlessly |
| 23:56.55 | createsoftware | destinal: Install? |
| 23:57.11 | createsoftware | (It's about 1AM here in France :/) |
| 23:57.16 | destinal | createsoftware: well I think you should now be ok except I don't know how much of otpware you actually have installed |
| 23:57.22 | destinal | I would remove it with preware and reinstall it there |
| 23:57.33 | createsoftware | oh? |
| 23:57.50 | createsoftware | so I'd remove optware, then reinstall it? |
| 23:57.55 | destinal | createsoftware: since some files weren't written right when disk was full before |
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| 23:58.01 | destinal | I woudn't have trusted that /opt |
| 23:58.03 | v0n | Hi! |
| 23:58.03 | createsoftware | But that was ocaml files |
| 23:58.15 | destinal | but yeah remove optware stuff in preware |
| 23:58.17 | destinal | reinstall it |
| 23:58.30 | v0n | I don't understand why openssh isn't in the standard ipkg list (I mean from command line) but is present in Preware. Is that because of the packages source lists? |
| 23:58.36 | rwhitby | createsoftware: did you reboot the device after installing Preware with the WOSQI that gave an error? |
| 23:58.46 | createsoftware | rwhitby: yup |
| 23:58.52 | rwhitby | v0n: there are 2 or 3 different ipkg databases on a webOS device |
| 23:59.10 | createsoftware | destinal: And then, reboot, mount by hand as you pointed me, and install ocaml ? |
| 23:59.16 | rwhitby | one in / (which you should never use), one in /media/cryptofs/apps (which Preware uses) and one in /opt (which ipkg-opt uses) |
| 23:59.47 | destinal | createsoftware: I'd try that, hopefully mount will tell you it's already mounted but it's good to make sure since you had that issue |
| 23:59.57 | createsoftware | ok |
| 23:59.59 | destinal | I'd actually make sure it's still mounted after removing |