| 00:00.00 | destinal | I don't think any companies have a legal obligation to have a catalog |
| 00:00.03 | CldBWrs | gotchya - kewl kewl |
| 00:00.09 | destinal | they do it for money |
| 00:00.24 | CldBWrs | no - they make $$ |
| 00:00.25 | rwhitby | destinal: I don't think you're following me |
| 00:00.28 | CldBWrs | lol yep |
| 00:01.04 | destinal | rwhitby: you mean, given that there IS a catalog, they can't put us in there with special powers or someone will blame them |
| 00:01.29 | destinal | but certainly microsoft doesn't have legal liability for not having a catalog and everything being sideloaded |
| 00:01.40 | rwhitby | if you have a system that intentionally allows malware OTA, then your legal liability to the carriers that are selling that system (and are therefore the first line of legal accountability to the consumer) is larger than if you have a system which does not inherently allow stuff to run as root in your app catalog |
| 00:02.14 | rwhitby | Lawyers don't care about security. All they care about is legal liability. |
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| 00:03.08 | destinal | rwhitby: a PC lets you install software, it's not microsoft's fault or apple's if you load malware or vulnerable code. but if apple or microsoft were to HOST said code in their stores, that would be different |
| 00:03.19 | rwhitby | correct |
| 00:03.46 | rwhitby | *that* is the legal liability question. it has nothing to do with alruistic security concerns. |
| 00:06.55 | destinal | I know that at least android had malware in their store a while back, I wonder if google was sued (or could be) -- it could be argued that they're just a carrier and not responsible for content but I wouldn't want to fight that particular court case |
| 00:08.15 | rwhitby | destinal: to be just a carrier, you can't reject any stuff. as soon as you review and reject stuff, you're no longer a common carrier. |
| 00:09.03 | destinal | rwhitby: very good point |
| 00:10.53 | halfhalo | is going to want to talk about rewriting the patches portal in an hour or so |
| 00:11.17 | destinal | you want to rewrite the patches portal in an hour? that would be hard |
| 00:11.18 | destinal | :P |
| 00:11.50 | halfhalo | it takes me more than an hour to find stuff in the code as it is... |
| 00:12.02 | NuttyBunny | Ok, I gotta go guys, halfhalo, I expect to arrive at my home in about an hour, I want that portal rewritten by then :D |
| 00:12.08 | destinal | ah prepositional adjacency leading to ambiguous meaning, so amusing. |
| 00:12.09 | destinal | :P |
| 00:12.23 | halfhalo | lol |
| 00:12.55 | destinal | is obviously a smartass |
| 00:14.00 | halfhalo | hah |
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| 00:17.15 | halfhalo | I have been playing with git and php and have a better understanding of what it can and cannot do and how they should interact |
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| 00:53.42 | lingfish | joy, my emu works. |
| 00:53.52 | lingfish | So, is it not recommended to use my same Palm login on the emu? |
| 00:54.13 | SineOt | you mean for the Palm Profile? |
| 00:54.24 | lingfish | yeah. |
| 00:54.34 | SineOt | emulator shouldn't be asking you for that :o |
| 00:54.36 | lingfish | I think I read that it's a bad idea, and may screw my physical phone up |
| 00:54.40 | rwhitby | it is not recommended. it will wipe your real device |
| 00:54.40 | SineOt | and correct |
| 00:54.53 | lingfish | Yeah ok, that's what I thought. I'll create another. |
| 00:54.55 | lingfish | ta :) |
| 00:54.56 | SineOt | since only one device can be logged in at a time, it will erase your physical device |
| 00:55.15 | lingfish | ugh, this only makes me want my pre 2 even more! Stupid HP stuffed orders up I think :( |
| 00:55.26 | rwhitby | each time you log into your palm profile, a new auth token is created. any device which does not present the latest auth token is forcibly wiped |
| 00:55.35 | lingfish | Right. |
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| 00:55.47 | lingfish | Though I probably won't bother, as stated, not needed |
| 00:56.23 | hozer | quick question.. anyone tried building ZXing (qr-code decoder) for WebOS? |
| 00:59.48 | SineOt | wants to see a Tag reader, since it's easier to read those if you have a shitty scan :/ |
| 01:00.05 | hozer | what's 'Tag' |
| 01:01.28 | SineOt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Capacity_Color_Barcode |
| 01:01.39 | SineOt | people hate on it since it's an MS thing, but meh |
| 01:01.55 | halfhalo | its works great though, which is what matters |
| 01:02.01 | SineOt | yeah |
| 01:02.06 | hozer | ah, is there an open-source implementation ;) |
| 01:02.15 | SineOt | the stuff that Microsoft Research has done showing it off is pretty nuts |
| 01:02.52 | hozer | that's cool and all, but I'm looking for something I can compile and feed an image too, and then spit back the text ;) |
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| 01:04.36 | SineOt | lol stuff they've done with Tag: http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/hccb/hccbnovel.jpg 1,750 characters printed with a home inkjet, still readable P: |
| 01:05.05 | SineOt | http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/hccb/lightexamples.jpg terrible pictures of them being still readable even when the tag itself is 70 pixels wide |
| 01:05.35 | SineOt | it even has a "file system" http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/projects/hccb/multitoscale.jpg |
| 01:07.08 | SineOt | hozer: oh, and with ZXing... it's a java app, isn't it? |
| 01:09.00 | SineOt | keep in mind that Java is completely gone on webos 2.0 and up |
| 01:13.28 | destinal-pre | what's zxing |
| 01:13.44 | SineOt | an open source QRcode decoder |
| 01:25.05 | rwhitby | http://flic.kr/p/91Hb9T has some phones that are not Pre, Pixi or Pre 2 ... |
| 01:26.24 | halfhalo | oh? |
| 01:27.07 | SineOt | yeah, like a Pixi with orange keys |
| 01:27.46 | SineOt | (which is the most glaringly out of place one there. Dunno about anything else) |
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| 01:28.17 | SineOt | what else is there, rwhitby? |
| 01:29.55 | Tibfib | bets it's a pixi2 |
| 01:30.30 | Tibfib | I think I see two of them |
| 01:30.30 | SineOt | bets it's just an old Pixi from when it was still the rumored "Eos" |
| 01:30.36 | rwhitby | SineOt: the pixi-like thing on the right looks fatter than a normal pixi |
| 01:30.40 | Tibfib | that could be |
| 01:30.47 | scoutcamper | what is that pixi looking silver phone? C40? |
| 01:31.02 | SineOt | scoutcamper: it's a pixi with the light reflecting off it :P |
| 01:31.37 | scoutcamper | but look its wider than a pre |
| 01:32.16 | SineOt | my bet would be since it still has orange keys, it's either a very early Pixi, or one of the last of the Eos devices |
| 01:32.37 | SineOt | I know there were leaked shots of the Eos, but I can't find them |
| 01:32.43 | SineOt | god that thing was an ugly phone |
| 01:34.43 | SineOt | please tell me someone else remembers those shots and that I'm not crazy :p |
| 01:36.18 | SineOt | ahah, finally found it |
| 01:36.25 | SineOt | rwhitby: I think what it is is this http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/106732_pixigsm.JPG |
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| 01:36.36 | Tibfib | whoa |
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| 01:37.12 | Tibfib | never seen that pic before |
| 01:37.32 | SineOt | yeah it's way old |
| 01:38.02 | rwhitby | SineOt: I'm not focusing on the orange, I'm focusing on the aspect ratio of the screen |
| 01:38.04 | Tibfib | I've been following webOS since ces... wonder how I never saw that |
| 01:38.11 | SineOt | it's like a Pixi + Pre together. It even has the ugly Pre- style gesture area |
| 01:39.06 | SineOt | rwhitby: that image looks very similar in terms of screen aspect ratios, I think, since it looks a bit fatter than the shipping Pixi |
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| 01:39.38 | Tibfib | I think adora's pixi's screen looks bigger |
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| 01:40.43 | oil | the ones under the monitor |
| 01:40.48 | oil | 2nd from the right |
| 01:41.05 | oil | has different button then pre- |
| 01:41.15 | oil | (its obviously right-side up, due to clock) |
| 01:42.26 | Tibfib | hah, it's cool seeing all the in progress devices |
| 01:42.32 | SineOt | the one with the clock has a light bar, so wouldn't it be a Pre+? :p |
| 01:42.41 | SineOt | the one that has the Pre- style button doesn't have a clock on it |
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| 01:43.48 | SineOt | Tibfib: but yeah, it's way a old shot that from what I can tell never really picked up traction in the "blogosphere" or whatever you want to call it. Dunno why |
| 01:44.02 | SineOt | I think the photo came out after the device had actually released so it wasn't exactly breaking news |
| 01:44.18 | SineOt | but that gesture area + 4GB of storage would have sucked pretty bad |
| 01:44.29 | Tibfib | gotcha |
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| 01:44.47 | SineOt | I only knew it existed because I'd seen it once before, since I like the Pixi way too much :p |
| 01:45.18 | Tibfib | oil: the more I look, the more I think it is a pre+ with a lit up gesture area |
| 01:45.31 | oil | probably |
| 01:47.31 | SineOt | Tibfib: the more I look at that prototype Pixi the more I'm glad to have what actually ended up coming out. That thing would have blown |
| 01:47.45 | Tibfib | heh, yeah |
| 01:47.50 | SineOt | I can't get over that ugly gesture area |
| 01:48.24 | SineOt | whoever came up with replacing it with the lightbar that ended up getting used (and reused for the Pre+ and Pre2) needs a gold star or two |
| 01:49.59 | SineOt | rwhitby: I just think it makes more sense given that these devices got "inherited" and the existence of the orange keys that it's much more likely to be an old Pixi than a newer device. Occam's razor and all that |
| 01:50.56 | SineOt | especially since there's pictures of the old prototype pixis with orange keys showing that they did, at one point, exist :p |
| 01:52.56 | oil | <3 orange key |
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| 01:53.27 | SineOt | wants oranges keys on his Pixi. Bling bling. |
| 01:53.45 | oil | paints key on his pixi orange |
| 01:54.46 | oil | is seriously considering moving his pre- kb with orange keys to his pre2 sprint job |
| 01:54.58 | halfhalo | doitdoitdoitdoitdoit |
| 01:55.13 | oil | now that hp finally shipped er |
| 01:55.53 | halfhalo | wants to talk about them patches portal |
| 01:56.23 | oil | thinks it should be entirely rewritten |
| 01:56.32 | halfhalo | thats what I want to talk about |
| 01:56.33 | oil | doesn't think it should be in rails though |
| 01:57.35 | halfhalo | it doesn't fit in with the rails design all that well, but rails does has superior git integration over php |
| 01:57.53 | oil | the way it works now, is by simply running commands |
| 01:57.59 | halfhalo | yeah |
| 01:58.11 | oil | though, my eyes bleed a little whenever i look at it |
| 01:58.18 | halfhalo | yup |
| 01:58.43 | halfhalo | no matter what a rewrite should help with alot of issues |
| 01:58.55 | halfhalo | and I have been playing around with php and git and have learned some stuff |
| 02:00.37 | halfhalo | but no matter what it should be done properly, with header/footer files and function includes in php |
| 02:01.19 | oil | i want to be sure it keeps the same submission setup though |
| 02:01.25 | oil | where anyone can submit an update to any patch |
| 02:01.31 | oil | don't want to see it go patch-per-user type thing |
| 02:01.52 | halfhalo | thats a given, but the backend needs to be changed methinks |
| 02:02.18 | halfhalo | the one git repo for everything is a bad idea |
| 02:03.50 | halfhalo | its faster to run through many smaller repo's than one big one |
| 02:04.49 | scoutcamper | just waits for preware 2.0 |
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| 02:05.20 | rwhitby | oil: new subtitle for Impostah, weight 10: http://twitpic.com/3fqd2t |
| 02:05.35 | oil | lol |
| 02:07.36 | halfhalo | oil: my thinking is that each patch would have its own repo, and each webos ver would be a different branch. No need for hundreds/thousands of tags (which makes it reaaally slow.) |
| 02:08.05 | oil | doesn't know much about that stuff |
| 02:08.15 | halfhalo | lol |
| 02:12.21 | SineOt | from what I've done with git so far, yes, do a repo for every patch instead of a giant one D: |
| 02:12.31 | SineOt | got SO lost trying to manage multiple apps with one repo |
| 02:12.58 | halfhalo | its not so much that its a large repo size wise, but it has hundreds of tags that makes everything slow |
| 02:13.56 | SineOt | yeah, the tag management is what got me |
| 02:14.17 | rwhitby | halfhalo: make it slow for your implementation, not for git itself |
| 02:15.04 | halfhalo | is talking about git directly, no implementation |
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| 02:16.03 | halfhalo | the issue with the tags is basically running git fetch --tags whenever something needs to be changed |
| 02:30.33 | tmzt | why would it be any slower? |
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| 02:32.08 | halfhalo | right now whenever something is changed it has to wait for the tags to be updated, vs with seperate repos it only looks up that one repo |
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| 02:36.27 | halfhalo | oh, and to make it easier on the builder, have a main repo with every other repo as a submodule |
| 02:37.44 | destinal | rwhitby: but isn't the impostah app currently more of an "inspectah" app? :P |
| 02:38.03 | destinal | in function at least |
| 02:38.54 | rwhitby | destinal: on the surface, yes. |
| 02:39.26 | oil | hates the -ah so much :( |
| 02:39.34 | halfhalo | hah |
| 02:39.47 | rwhitby | h-ah |
| 02:40.32 | oil | doubts he will get rwhitby to change impostah |
| 02:40.52 | oil | but i vote that no future webosinternals app uses ah to replace er |
| 02:40.56 | rwhitby | oil: it's still in the testing feed, so a better name can still prevail |
| 02:41.13 | halfhalo | thinks oil should name the new patches portal |
| 02:41.17 | oil | chisels it into a stone tablet atop a mountain |
| 02:41.34 | rwhitby | portahl |
| 02:41.44 | SineOt | Insthpectah Gaghdaht |
| 02:41.51 | oil | weeps |
| 02:44.11 | bpadalino | rwhitby: it seems like i can't get the metadoctor to work with the pre2 2.0.1 .. i get an XML error that Installer.xml can't be parsed - i've selected bypass activation, bypass first use, enable developer mode, auto install preware, enable testing feeds, disable upload daemon and enable usb networking .. DEVICE=pre2 all-wr .. does that seem right ? |
| 02:44.39 | destinal | oil: ok, "Inspector" eh? or is it technically an inspectof for lunaservicebus? call it "Bus Inspector" and give it one of those mechanic caps |
| 02:44.48 | rwhitby | bpadalino: that should work |
| 02:44.54 | destinal | I think we still have time to get rid of the -"ah" on the end |
| 02:45.00 | destinal | for the good of humanity |
| 02:45.08 | bpadalino | rwhitby: if i look in build and installer.xml, there is ${NOVATGZ} where the filename should be - is that correct ? |
| 02:45.14 | rwhitby | destinal: Impostah has nothing to do with ls2 inspection |
| 02:45.27 | oil | its a db8 viewer thing |
| 02:45.27 | bpadalino | sorry - in roadrunner.xml |
| 02:45.30 | rwhitby | bpadalino: yep |
| 02:45.33 | destinal | rwhitby: ah |
| 02:45.57 | destinal | All your data base are belong to us. ok, no that's too corny even to be a tagline |
| 02:46.01 | rwhitby | oil: at the moment, yeah, it's mostly that, although the activities and applications are not in db8 |
| 02:46.50 | oil | "RAT" |
| 02:46.55 | destinal | Yeah I vote dbeater or inspector or indana jones. |
| 02:46.57 | oil | Random-Ass Tool |
| 02:47.04 | oil | lol |
| 02:47.42 | SineOt | dbeater just makes me think of an app called "Cookie Monster" and how amazing that name would be P: |
| 02:47.52 | bpadalino | well shoot .. this is confusing |
| 02:49.10 | rwhitby | bpadalino: pastebin your Makefile diff |
| 02:49.16 | rwhitby | and command line |
| 02:53.02 | bpadalino | rwhitby: http://pastie.textmate.org/private/ax1ddytc33lm6eyk7pifmg |
| 02:55.45 | rwhitby | bpadalino: dunno what to say. start again with a fresh git checkout? |
| 02:58.31 | bpadalino | i'll go from a no modification makefile and see how it goes |
| 02:59.38 | rwhitby | bpadalino: can you paste the full error? |
| 02:59.54 | bpadalino | but of course |
| 03:00.15 | bpadalino | http://pastie.textmate.org/private/goa1wzckcdpk92nvu1ow |
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| 03:04.04 | bpadalino | OOHH, can't run on a mac .. |
| 03:04.08 | bpadalino | due to tar stuff |
| 03:04.16 | bpadalino | is that the issue ? |
| 03:04.17 | halfhalo | runs it on a mac.... |
| 03:04.21 | oil | is sure rwhitby developed it and runs it on a mac |
| 03:05.54 | bpadalino | well shoot .. |
| 03:05.56 | rwhitby | bpadalino: those leading underscores on the filenames are not good |
| 03:06.10 | bpadalino | any idea how they got there ? |
| 03:06.10 | rwhitby | and I do develop and run it on a mac |
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| 03:07.04 | bpadalino | ah, it seems my gnutar wasn't from ports .. that may be problematic |
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| 03:11.44 | takeadare_ | Lol. So I converted my system font to Ubuntu font without any catastrophe's... |
| 03:11.58 | bpadalino | yeah - that was it .. how ridiculous :( |
| 03:12.25 | takeadare_ | Looks prettier. Not that Prelude isn't nice and all |
| 03:13.23 | rwhitby | bpadalino: tar is the bane of meta-doctor's existence |
| 03:13.37 | bpadalino | it seems like it |
| 03:14.19 | bpadalino | it's flashing now, tho |
| 03:14.27 | bpadalino | and my nose is cold :( |
| 03:14.43 | halfhalo | lol |
| 03:17.19 | destinal | bpadalino: yeah ports ftw |
| 03:18.54 | SineOt | takeadare_: how'd you do that? |
| 03:23.00 | takeadare_ | If you go to your phone's '/usr/share/fonts/' file, they're all there. I used the hammer method and just renamed Ubuntu fonts as 'Prelude-Medium' 'Prelude-Oblique' etc. |
| 03:23.23 | SineOt | What format does it take? TTF? |
| 03:23.34 | takeadare_ | and overwrote the original fonts. Backing up the originals on my computer of course |
| 03:23.36 | takeadare_ | TTF. |
| 03:24.33 | takeadare_ | Ubuntu Fonts haven't come out with a 'Condensed' version yet, so I'm waiting for that one, still have the original Prelude-Condensed files on there |
| 03:25.01 | takeadare_ | I'm sure you could do it with any font of course. |
| 03:25.47 | SineOt | Yeah, I might try something like DIN |
| 03:27.38 | takeadare_ | DIN is nice. I'm a bit of a font nerd and have recently fallen for the Ubuntu font. Everything I have is currently using it, just wanted to see if it was possible to make my phone use it too |
| 03:28.34 | takeadare_ | I'm sure next month I'll move onto another font. It was such a slick change I'll probably do it again, lol. |
| 03:29.02 | takeadare_ | Maybe I'll try my hand at making a quick shell program to make it easier. |
| 03:29.34 | SineOt | Yeah, the Ubuntu font is nice. I like it. |
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| 05:00.47 | scoutcamper | halfhalo, wonder whats up |
| 05:01.12 | SineOt | Gawker is DDOS'ing Freenode |
| 05:01.15 | halfhalo | Its the goverment ahs tells ya! |
| 05:01.17 | SineOt | is totally making stuff up |
| 05:03.03 | scoutcamper | blames wikileaks, as rwhitby referenced them in a new impostah |
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| 05:50.48 | NuttyBunny | So, did halfhalo manage to rewrite the entire patches page in an hour? ;) |
| 05:50.57 | halfhalo | yes |
| 05:51.28 | cryptk | lol |
| 05:52.10 | NuttyBunny | lol :D |
| 05:52.27 | NuttyBunny | Excellent! Congratulations ;) |
| 05:54.05 | cryptk | I am still seeing the same patches page |
| 05:56.18 | tmzt | halfhalo: you use persvr? |
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| 05:56.33 | tmzt | I think I wrote that in asp.net for my last project |
| 05:56.41 | tmzt | but it looks like exactly what I need |
| 05:58.50 | halfhalo | tmzt: niet |
| 05:59.37 | halfhalo | uses mongoose for that |
| 06:00.03 | tmzt | for data objects? |
| 06:00.29 | halfhalo | yup |
| 06:00.33 | tmzt | that's what I'm looking at, I used jsonrpc with dojo but I had to write all the crud stuff in c# by hand |
| 06:00.43 | tmzt | so I'm looking for something that just builds it |
| 06:02.57 | tmzt | hah, c ok |
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| 07:32.35 | mpingu | hi |
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| 07:53.29 | rwhitby | g'day mpingu |
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| 08:15.50 | hape_ | rwhitby: du you know if I save my cryped folder from the usb partinion and restor it afer a doctor. Will it be usable by the device ordo the doctoring chnage the encryption? |
| 08:16.28 | cryptk | the cryptofs? |
| 08:16.32 | rwhitby | cryptofs is based on salted nduid |
| 08:17.28 | hape_ | rwhitby: What mean no it will not, thanks. Then I have to tar it unencrypred first to be sure I have all data |
| 08:29.19 | tmzt | what is that rwhitby? |
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| 08:36.38 | ice8lue | gmorning! |
| 08:38.52 | ice8lue | would it be possible to move the virtual keyboard into a dashboard scene? that way it wouldn't take so much space over for example the messaging app |
| 08:38.56 | hape_ | ice8lue: Hi, bin wie du richtig vermutestes auch aus Deutschland |
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| 08:39.40 | ice8lue | hape: hab schon gelesen ;) gut zu wissen |
| 08:40.01 | hape_ | wo bist du beheimartet? Ich in FFM. |
| 08:40.11 | hape_ | unter der Woche aber meist in Köln |
| 08:40.27 | ice8lue | Chemnitz im schönen Sachsen |
| 08:42.41 | ice8lue | weiÃt du ob das gehen würde mit dem vk? |
| 08:44.55 | hape_ | keinen Pla, da bin ich überfragt |
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| 08:45.02 | ka6sox | bork bork bork bork |
| 08:45.35 | ice8lue | schade, wäre sehr praktisch |
| 08:45.50 | hape_ | ka6sox: lol, we switch abck to english and move the German into a private window |
| 08:46.01 | omenshanep | hows everyone doing? :) |
| 08:46.26 | ice8lue | kk so english now ;) |
| 08:46.49 | hape_ | I'm fine, thanks. nly the driving is dangerouse today as we had snow allover germany yesterday evening |
| 08:47.30 | omenshanep | would anyone know why quick install won't recognize my pre? It won't even open the options menu |
| 08:47.45 | ice8lue | same over here...can't say for sure that i was driving on a street. everything is plain white arround |
| 08:47.52 | omenshanep | could windows 7 have anything to do with it? |
| 08:48.49 | ice8lue | omenshanep: not really, am using it on win 7 too. do you use an oler java version? is novacom installed? |
| 08:49.49 | omenshanep | I updated java to the most recent versioni |
| 08:50.03 | omenshanep | but I wasn't able to get novacom installed |
| 08:50.50 | omenshanep | I've read that it's supposed to auto install it when the device is connected or you can go to the options menu and do it there |
| 08:51.17 | ice8lue | ya right. the menus take a while to load |
| 08:51.50 | omenshanep | the option menu won't even open up for me for some reason, i've tried uninstalling it and reinstalling and rebooting both the computer and the device |
| 08:52.23 | omenshanep | I waited a good 10min with no sucess |
| 08:53.42 | ice8lue | hm thats strange... i've read that the most recent java updte has some bugs... didn't know there were problems with quick install though... |
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| 08:55.07 | omenshanep | yeah, I'm actually on my pixi right now that has preware already installed on it I did with another computer. I don't know why I'm having trouble doing it now |
| 08:56.06 | ice8lue | if you want to install preware, check get.preware.org to get the installer. it's a standalone tool |
| 08:57.05 | omenshanep | i've tried the standalone as well. That wouldn't even open for me and I have the webosdoctor in the same folder |
| 08:57.26 | ice8lue | Oo and the pre is in dev mode? |
| 08:57.39 | cryptk | omenshanep, is novacom installed? if so try restarting the novacom service... if that doesn't do it, then try restarting BOTH the phone and the computer |
| 08:57.45 | omenshanep | yup, it's in dev mode |
| 08:58.05 | ice8lue | cryptk: he did |
| 08:58.27 | cryptk | phone being in dev mode isn't the same as novacom being installed... |
| 08:58.37 | cryptk | is novacom installed on the computer you are having issues with? |
| 08:58.49 | cryptk | (by the way, webos quick install is not made by webos-internals) |
| 08:59.04 | omenshanep | I can't get novacom to install, it won't even allow me to open the options menu. And I have tried restarting both the computer and the pre with no success |
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| 08:59.22 | cryptk | what won't let you open the options menu? |
| 08:59.42 | omenshanep | webos quick install |
| 08:59.42 | cryptk | webos quick install? |
| 08:59.59 | cryptk | hrm, seems like a quick install bug then, have you tried downloading a fresh copy of quick install? |
| 09:00.26 | omenshanep | yup, I uninstalled and reinstalled it |
| 09:00.40 | omenshanep | I wonder if I should try a later version |
| 09:01.28 | ice8lue | i think 3.14 is the latest one |
| 09:01.49 | cryptk | one moment, gotta work |
| 09:02.11 | omenshanep | yeah I have the 3.14 |
| 09:04.27 | ice8lue | have to go now -> university |
| 09:04.33 | ice8lue | cu guys ;) |
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| 09:04.44 | omenshanep | I dunnoz, well thanks for the help |
| 09:04.50 | omenshanep | I appreciate it |
| 09:05.01 | omenshanep | laterz |
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| 09:28.56 | msd18 | hey ppl |
| 09:29.08 | cryptk | hola |
| 09:29.37 | msd18 | hows it going |
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| 12:01.09 | ice8lue | HEYHO1 |
| 12:01.12 | ice8lue | oops^^ |
| 12:02.40 | ice8lue | is anyone online involved into the virtual keyboard patch? |
| 12:15.54 | cryptk | for which device? |
| 12:16.09 | cryptk | damn, left already... again... I am having bad luck tonight |
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| 12:50.05 | rwhitby | cryptk: his bad luck, not yours. |
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| 12:52.13 | cryptk | good point |
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| 14:43.53 | Matchless | Hi there |
| 14:44.13 | Matchless | webosinternals on twitter announced preware 1.4.7 |
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| 15:25.44 | Rick_work | morning. |
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| 15:28.22 | MetaView | hi |
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| 15:57.56 | halfhalo | hola everyone |
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| 16:29.22 | slydog43 | Im trying to make a patch for 2.01 (date & time in top bar) I have the new bar-assistant.js which works on my phone and in emulator, but only if I uplaod the file with Quick Install, how do I package it into a patch (JR DIff gives me and error when I try and install) |
| 16:30.37 | slydog43 | any1 know how to browse files a 2.01 device or emulator, WebOS QI seems to keep me in the root |
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| 16:34.01 | AStice | slydog43: The SDK has a jar file you can use under PDK/share/jars/ |
| 16:34.35 | AStice | But you need early access |
| 16:36.18 | AStice | If I remember properly webOS Quick Install requires you to do everything in one line, but I can't remember exactly how to do it |
| 16:36.43 | AStice | It involves a semicolon |
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| 16:46.44 | slydog43 | its weird, QI wont let me chage directory (ie if I cd usr and do a ls it still shows root) |
| 16:47.13 | halfhalo | cd /usr; ls |
| 16:48.08 | slydog43 | wow THANKS AStice, Jar file is just what I needed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:48.51 | slydog43 | halfhalo, love irc thanks that worked |
| 16:49.57 | AStice | Knew it had a semicolon. Need to set up a linux box so I can get reacquainted |
| 16:52.36 | slydog43 | no any1 know how to make a 2.01 compatible patch (what tool do I use if I have the modified js file(s), I dont think I can use Jason's Diff prg) |
| 16:53.46 | destinal | ok just unboxed pre2 and I've already forgotten all about that silver button. why was that there in the first place, and what button was I talking about? :) |
| 16:54.00 | halfhalo | lol |
| 16:55.01 | destinal | and I forgot, there was something.. over.. the usb port, nevermind :P |
| 17:03.53 | destinal | by the way for anyone with a new pre2 that's not going to be immediately activated, Palm's devicetool.jar works perfectly to bypass activation |
| 17:04.05 | destinal | you just need to add the roadrunner installer uImage into it like so |
| 17:04.07 | destinal | mkdir -p com/palm/webos/devicetool/images/; cp /srv/doctors/unpacked/webosdoctorp102ueuna-wr-2.0.1/webOS/nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage com/palm/webos/devicetool/images; zip devicetool.jar com/palm/webos/devicetool/images/nova-installer-image-roadrunner.uImage |
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| 17:09.21 | Loudergood | mine came already bypassed! |
| 17:11.21 | destinal | Loudergood: hmm, devdays? |
| 17:11.36 | Loudergood | yes, thank you palm |
| 17:12.12 | destinal | the ones ordered online as unlocked pre2 aren't necessarily dev only, so yeah, devicetool ftw. trivially easy though. |
| 17:12.39 | destinal | run that command, boot with volume up, java -jar devicetool.jar, plug it in, and done |
| 17:13.26 | destinal | metadoctor's great but unless I actually need to change the base image significantly, I'll pass thanks :) |
| 17:14.09 | egaudet | destinal: how does the devicetool work |
| 17:14.30 | egaudet | is it just booting the installer image, touching a file on rootfs and rebooting? |
| 17:14.30 | destinal | egaudet: like the doctor, it includes novacom java classes that talk to the local novacom daemon |
| 17:14.37 | destinal | and yeah that's what it does. |
| 17:15.03 | egaudet | why is the manually packing in the installer needed? |
| 17:15.18 | destinal | egaudet: devicetool was made pre roadrunner and they haven't updated it yet |
| 17:15.48 | destinal | fortunately it checks the system's model name and looks for a uImage with that name in it so it's really east to add support for a new device to devicetool |
| 17:16.01 | destinal | s/east/easy/ |
| 17:16.02 | egaudet | ahh ok cool |
| 17:18.10 | destinal | egaudet: if only devicetool included a novacom installer for each platform (or they were downloadable separately) we'd be golden for preware installs, but it's a tool for developers so it assumes use of the SDK |
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| 17:21.23 | egaudet | has anyone attempted novacom driver for device? |
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| 17:24.18 | destinal | egaudet: bpadalino did a good basic open source one a while ago but it hasn't been worked on much since |
| 17:24.23 | destinal | only has a few functions |
| 17:27.29 | egaudet | that's the host side right? |
| 17:28.12 | egaudet | I was thinking what would it take to distribute a devicetool preware installer type deal, but I suppose that's overkill from what we already have |
| 17:29.34 | halfhalo | has a mockup of what a new patches portal could look like with his imited (read: crap) styling skills |
| 17:29.50 | halfhalo | well, one page at least |
| 17:30.10 | Loudergood | 1995tablezrule.css? |
| 17:30.16 | halfhalo | https://patch.preyourmind.org/ |
| 17:31.18 | Loudergood | also http://cert.startcom.org/ |
| 17:31.46 | Loudergood | other than the blue in the top right I'd say I like it |
| 17:31.56 | halfhalo | that defeats the purpose of self signed certs! |
| 17:32.10 | halfhalo | the blue is there just so I could see where the div ended up |
| 17:32.16 | Loudergood | you skill level is up there with mine! |
| 17:32.20 | Loudergood | your* |
| 17:33.24 | jhojho | you have a bad nginx config |
| 17:33.30 | egaudet | sorry halfhalo not trusted! |
| 17:33.32 | jhojho | http://patch.preyourmind.org/ still tries to ask for ssl |
| 17:33.37 | halfhalo | knows |
| 17:33.42 | halfhalo | I did it on purpose |
| 17:34.03 | jhojho | dude, get a real cert |
| 17:34.07 | jhojho | there are free certs now |
| 17:34.17 | halfhalo | wants the error there for this type of stuff |
| 17:34.56 | halfhalo | basically, scares off people who shouldn't be there anywho |
| 17:35.29 | halfhalo | has a paid for cert somewhere though |
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| 17:36.06 | egaudet | scares off people who shouldn't be there? why |
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| 17:37.30 | halfhalo | because its usually something in active development (IE I'm pushing changes out live) |
| 17:39.02 | halfhalo | disabled redirecting to https just for you |
| 17:39.18 | egaudet | why |
| 17:40.41 | halfhalo | because its one line commented out to do it and people were complaining? |
| 17:41.10 | egaudet | would you answer if I asked why again |
| 17:41.19 | halfhalo | possibly |
| 17:41.24 | egaudet | why |
| 17:41.29 | halfhalo | shits n giggles |
| 17:41.36 | egaudet | lol |
| 17:42.53 | halfhalo | DAMN! Though yup a better one |
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| 18:11.52 | halfhalo | oilsworkn: http://patch.preyourmind.org/ |
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| 20:30.01 | oil | halfhalo: wow thats ugly, lol |
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| 22:09.43 | rwhitby | halfhalo: you should work on rewriting PreLoad next, you might be able to make it uglier. |
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| 22:17.30 | halfhalo | lol |
| 22:18.06 | halfhalo | knows he can't style for crap, but at least this time its actually using styles! |
| 22:18.56 | halfhalo | and suggestions always welcome |
| 22:22.11 | halfhalo | you know what it needs? drop shadows. which shall be added after I take this final |
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| 22:25.13 | Loudergood | don't forget the marquee and blink tags...people always seem to |
| 22:25.53 | halfhalo | bah, those arn't web 2.0y |
| 22:26.19 | halfhalo | rounded corners plus drop shadows is all ya need! |
| 22:26.29 | Tibfib | halfhalo: and backgrounds |
| 22:26.47 | halfhalo | that as well |
| 22:28.12 | halfhalo | what it really needs is color tweaking and the side menu blue frigger to go away |
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| 22:32.42 | rwhitby | Has anyone tested Preware 1.4.7 ? |
| 22:37.28 | halfhalo | nope sorry |
| 22:44.00 | Loudergood | just updated |
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| 23:31.35 | Spanska | Is the bluetooth stack coming with the Palm Pre able to connect to another smartphone with DUN and use that other smartphone 3G connection? |
| 23:32.26 | rwhitby-pre | not that I've seen |
| 23:38.23 | Spanska | would you know what bluetooth stack is runs on the Pre? |
| 23:38.30 | Spanska | -is |
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