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00:05.07NuttyBunnyhi :)
00:09.34cryptkhola
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00:34.56RgaNoris-MobileIf anyone here is using wirc, can you connect to irc.esper.net? 0.3.5
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00:36.01ka6soxTman ping?
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00:37.21RgaNoris-MobileOkay, accidentally logged out... anyone?
00:46.20rick-homeRgaNoris-Mobile  never tried, sorry.
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01:03.20ajayhola!
01:04.17ajayHey yesterday I was asking on how to backup contacts, the 2 suggestions don't work for me (CellBrite and email patch).
01:04.42ajayany other suggestions/ideas?
01:05.49ajay(It's probably not working because my phone is a bit borked, if any are curious..) I just let the Updates app 'Update' my VzPre1.4.5 to.. VzPre1.4.5. All is still the same. (Surprising, i'm sure there's just an app not being launched somewhere, but sigh,yes, let's doctor and make an ext3 partition)
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01:17.54ajayalright a diff q then -- how do I backup my list of patches?
01:18.37ajay(other than 'saved packages list' in preware)
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01:31.31rwhitbyrecommends saved packages list in preware, then save/restore
01:40.48ajayis about to doctor.. eek! always so nervous, dunno why.. ;^)
01:42.07ajayrwhitby: Yeah did both of those for sure.. hopefully will be able to access them plaintext too
01:43.22Tmanka6sox: pong
01:43.53rwhitbyajay: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed
01:44.00ka6soxheya guy...I recently had to doctor my pre...and rta is now AWOL....
01:44.17ka6soxI *use* it daily
01:44.30Tmanwell it wasn't working on 1.4.5 until, ah, two nights ago :)
01:44.46Tmanlook for 0.3.2 on the tester site
01:44.56ka6soxgood...now we need to make it work on 2.0.
01:44.57ka6sox:D
01:45.09Tmanehe :)
01:45.27TmanI'm not sure I want to doctor my only pre though :/
01:45.48ka6soxTman, don't blame ya
01:46.19TmanI suppose I could order a pre 2.. how much are they for devs again?
01:48.50Tmanactually I could probably just get someone to test it for me, way cheaper :P
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02:07.50ajayrwhitby: yeah you mentioned that yesterday, but it doesn't list patches (unless I mislooked?)
02:08.42rwhitbysure it does
02:08.54rwhitbya patch is a package just like any other
02:09.02ajayTman: $250 iirc? I don't know if there's s/h or tax in that price tho.. yeah cheaper to get someone to test for ya for sure.. :) You're not EAP then I take it?
02:09.45TmanI am in EAP.. are you referring to the ones they were giving away? I kinda missed the deadline on that
02:10.24ajayrwhitby: oops. I saved some list before doctoring, I hope I saved that one somewhere then!
02:11.53ajayTman: Oh I meant if you were in the early access prog then you should be able to test your app through that access
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02:12.46Tmanajay: yeah but it uses mic access which won't run in the emulator and I don't really want to doctor my only pre right now.
02:13.31ajayTman: ahh! I didn't know what app you were talking about.. :)
02:13.58ajayHas Palm announced any new camera/mic APIs for 2.0? I hadn't heard..
02:14.16ajayis noticing his doctor has been at 50% for several minutes.. *nervous*
02:14.44Tmanno
02:14.49rwhitbyajay: why aren't you watching the log ?
02:15.04rwhitbycan't believe that people actually run the doctor without watching it's log file
02:15.59oilusually double clicks :)
02:16.08oilexpects it to "just work"
02:17.22ajayrwhitby: oh the cmd-line reports 95% good. :)
02:18.17ajayoh wait that 95% note was 28 mins ago
02:18.31rwhitbyyeah, that's not good
02:18.34oillol
02:19.07ajaydoh
02:19.56ajayI just metadoctored my ATT dev pre+ yesterday and it worked fine, but this is my personal phone.. :(
02:21.52ajayrwhitby: The log doesn't seem highly informative to me?
02:23.50rwhitbyajay: java -jar <file> output is highly informative
02:24.43ajayi can novaterm into the device, that's good (maybe?) i have a feeling there aren't good resources online for this, but lesse..
02:24.51ajayrwhitby: INFO: Trenchcoat: Waiting.... doesn't really tell me much.. ;^)
02:25.08Tmanoil: see pm :)
02:28.07ajayso is 40 minutes of nonactivity enough to cancel the doctoring? recommendations on how to cancel, 'reboot' from novaterm? not finding much info on this online..
02:30.36rwhitbyajay: 'tellbootie recover' from novaterm
02:31.28ajayand then rerun dr? i've got a usb logo on the screen
02:31.32rwhitbyyep
02:32.28ajayOh I did try replacing BootLogo.tga in this metadoctor img, I wonder if that could be related
02:33.12rwhitbyheh
02:33.46rwhitby"oh, I just pushed the detonate button, I wonder if that could be related"
02:34.22ajayoh come now!
02:35.35Tmanhahah
02:35.53ajaythat is _NOT_ the same
02:36.39ajaydamn that phone do love rebooting now.. luna -- where, where are you now??
02:37.09ajayit could just be my USB cable.. I don't remember which I used last night
02:37.15rwhitbyright, there's no way replacing BootLogo.tga could have any negative affect on the doctoring process where trenchcoat is waiting for something ...
02:37.19ajayoh actually this pre's usb cable is borked
02:37.27ajayoh good
02:37.34ajayi mean, not usb cable, usb port
02:37.44rwhitbyno way at all.  couldn't possibly be related.  never.
02:38.58ajaydoctor doesn't want to recognize it.. hmm.. think i'll have to try recovery mode. shouldn't have powered off, oops
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02:41.44ajayi do like the price point of the Best Buy $5 hard cases, but damn are they a pain to remove..
02:48.19ajayrwhitby: riight
02:48.35ajayremetadoctoring now
02:49.16SineOtooh, 5$ hard cases?
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02:51.26ajaySineOt: right?  The front half breaks for me without a huge amount of difficulty is the major complaint. (but then I just go and exchange it long as its been < 30 days) They also make the phone more bulky of course..
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02:58.18ajayhmm, 100% complete is != 100% complete, turns out
02:59.13rwhitbyyeah, lots happens after trenchcoat gets 100% of it's data
03:02.07ajayI guess i'll have to checkout the other method of replacing BootLogo then..
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03:21.40ajayare there any reasons not to install apps as system apps (e.g. with ipkg from the cmd line) other than the space requirement
03:23.57ajayoh no ubuntu doesn't put that cool palm pre icon next to my phone anymore after doctoring :(
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03:43.43SineOtcan't figure out how to get back to Ubuntu after... Meego took over the boot loader
03:48.13ajayany other verizon folks out there?
03:49.03Loudergoodaye
03:49.25Loudergoodfucking gps eh?
03:51.11ajayhaha
03:51.32oilyou may get the pre+, but i get reliable gps on my pre- :)
03:51.43ajayppht. gps is for.. losers
03:52.01ajaysays get it? haha
03:55.41ajaywonders.. what if there was an EAP-only chatroom?
03:56.08Loudergooddifficult to implement though
03:56.18ajayit'd be slightly tricky
03:57.16SineOtnot too bad I don't think, depending
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03:57.36SineOtIRCd supports +k aka key mode, toss on +s and it won't show up on /whois or /list unless you're already in the room...
03:58.32SineOtThe biggest hurdle would be the fact that it'd be here on Freenode
03:58.34Tmanwould be nice actually
03:58.57ajaySineOt: why is that a hurdle?
03:59.21Loudergoodharder for palm/hp to control
03:59.27SineOtbecause IRCops would be able to read content without being subject to the NDA
03:59.39SineOtsimply because they y'know, run it :]
03:59.52SineOtWhy Palm/HP hasn't set up their own IRC server, I dunno~
04:00.00SineOtit's not that difficult
04:00.46bpadalinosounds like a lot of work when freenode is already there
04:02.06ajaySineOt: who are these IRCops, and can we speak to them?
04:02.08SineOtyeah, but when freenode is already there and leaves one last hurdle for NDA compliance
04:03.43SineOtDunno, you'd need to contact freenode
04:03.49SineOtWell, and Palm
04:06.07bpadalinothey could probably setup a #webos-ea if they wanted and have an access control list of who can join .. that would probably be good enough for them
04:07.27SineOtwell, that'd be what +k would be. You'd have to do /join #channel passwordkey or it wouldn't let you join.
04:07.44SineOt+s would keep it secret so that it wouldn't show up in /whois or /list for channels, unless you're already in the channel
04:07.56halfhaloyawns
04:07.59bpadalinoirc is fancy
04:08.13ajayoo nice
04:08.14oilpretends he is going to stick his finger in halfhalos mouth to cut his yawn short!
04:08.18Loudergoodyeah it is, I always laugh when people try to replace it
04:08.23oilmuahaha
04:08.39Loudergoodthe only thing on the internet more resiliant than irc is email
04:08.42SineOtDistribute the passwordkey to somewhere only EAP people can get it, then there you go
04:08.43halfhaloignores oil since he wold bite his finger off if he tried
04:08.50oilhaha
04:09.16ajaySineOt: sounds easy enough!
04:09.56halfhalothats what she said
04:12.37ajaydamn that preware autoload on metadr is sweet! (now only if preware would load after save+restore)
04:13.44oilalways uses that option
04:14.18Tmanautoload when?
04:14.27halfhalooh hey... im broke
04:14.44oilit puts it in the doctor
04:15.04Tmanah right
04:36.19rwhitby-preoil: actually, it just puts a download entry in the queue, preware doesn't actually get embedded in the doctor
04:37.13oilah, close enough :)
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04:49.48ajaywonders whether his app prob (PDK-related) is fixed in 2.0..
04:50.58ajayI did a Save/Restore of my preware data, now preware says "Complete!"
04:51.45ajayand by says, I mean, it's been on that screen for 10 minutes
04:51.59halfhaloIt must be really, really compete
04:52.23SineOtis bashing his head in with this stupid stupid UDP listener!
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04:53.27ajaysigh..
05:00.09SineOthrm
05:00.24TmanSineOt: A club might be more effective
05:00.31Tmanor bat of some sort
05:01.46ajayso.. how do I reset preware, just delete its dbs?
05:02.55ajayhmm.. I wonder if the SlingBox flash client would work on the phone..
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05:19.46oilpreware stores things in a number of places
05:20.11oilcookie for settings
05:20.15oiland text files in a folder for feeds
05:20.26oiland there is a status file which holds a list of whats installed
05:20.27ajaylooks like it's not in the usb partition
05:20.34oilnone of it is
05:22.40ajayis there a way i can clear it but bring in my saved packages list?
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05:33.10SineOtffs Meego :B
05:34.51oilajay: what are you wanting to clear?
05:50.20ajayoil: Anything that will allow me to start Preware. It's stuck on "Complete!"
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05:52.48SineOtwants to punch EVERYTTHINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGgggggggggggg.
05:53.06SineOtShitty documentation is the worst thing.
05:53.23SineOtstabs Boxee in the face.
06:00.02oilajay, anything in the logs?
06:00.15oilif you're not on 1.5.0, you should just palm-install it
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06:02.35SineOtffffudp :B
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06:05.33SineOtBoxee: we give you a spot to say what the name of your application is, but we only support one value for it! :V
06:14.19ajayI have 1.5.0 installed.. will look for logs, my comp has gotten dog slow, gah!
06:14.57ajayoil: is there a specific preware log file?
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06:16.04Decimatehi
06:16.12oilajay: use lumberjack
06:16.23oilrun lumberjack and follow the log then start preware
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06:33.34ajayoil: oh but I like to install lumberjack via preware! gah this'll be fun times.. ;^)
06:33.56oilor orange+tap remove it
06:34.02oiland reinstall preware
06:34.41ajayok that sounds easier. but i guess if i debug it that can help you guys?
06:42.21ajayIt stopped working after I did a save+Restore restore from my prior preware ver
06:43.52oiloh
06:43.56oilits probably something with save restore
06:44.00oiland that is in a database
06:44.09oil(i didn't write that part, which is why i didn't remember it before)
06:44.35oildatabases from previous versions have a problem which the new version can't parse
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06:50.20ajayIs there a way i can at least keep my 'saved packages list'?
06:53.22oilno, you should delete it
06:58.07ajayoh root pw, so no recommendation, ignore that
06:59.21ajayoil: reinstall worked! good call
07:06.06ajayohh man maybe firefox does still leak a lot of memory, eek!
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07:47.55ajayhmm, what is this 'secure shell' app? curious..
07:48.15dtzWilldoctoring pre- to att, suggestions?
07:51.29ajaypre- to att? yo crazy! ;^)
08:39.45ajaydtzWill: just wanted to checkin re X..
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08:54.37ajaysays damn you verizon i'm not roaming!
08:55.40ajayipkg-opt is part of preware, right?
08:55.46ajayjust wondering why some pkgs (e.g. vim) are not mentioned there
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09:03.42NuttyBunnyhi all
09:07.39ajayhey nutty.. oh I was going to quote what you said to me in a blog post re saving contacts/etc i didn't think to ask you or rwhitby for permission first tho? (didn't publish)
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09:42.58ajayomg unison, wget-ssl, etc! oh my! ipkg-opt <3
09:43.25ajayi wonder how tor works tho.. seems like the browser'd need to be setup in proxy mode for that
09:46.10ajayoh my /opt is only 62 mb, ocaml is more than half that!
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09:49.22ajaynext metadoctor i'll have to instead increase /var instead of making an ext3 partition. :(
09:50.43ajayI don't see /opt in fstab, so it's some LVM-y-business?  Don't really know anything about LVM :(
09:57.27ka6soxcheck /mount
09:57.32ka6soxer mount
09:57.52ajaythat just confirms its some LVM-y-fun
09:58.16ajay"for applications that have not been repackaged for preware" I see mentioned online.. damn, unison is DEFINITELY worthy of bein in preware!
09:59.29ajayi wonder.. no palm wouldn't allow an app in the app catalog that didn't display anything to the user graphically (i imagine)
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10:12.41quiniHi!  Can messaging data be restored after a Doctor (data is saved thanks to Save/Restore 1.2.6)?  TIA!
10:16.24Jack87-Workhola
10:17.46quiniHoola!
10:18.18Jack87-Workseems so quiet
10:18.27Jack87-Workthen again it is the middle of the night... in the states
10:20.45quiniShame -I won't get my question answered-  ;)
10:20.59Jack87-Workqhr a toue quini uestion
10:21.17Jack87-Workoh i just noticed it..
10:21.24Jack87-Worksorry i dont use save/restore cant answer
10:21.44Jack87-Workthat was weird
10:22.31Jack87-Worki just spelled your name as typo..... my fingers were in wrong spots of the keyboard. i am a bit drunk to but i spelled out your username without meaning to so odd!
10:25.28quiniYou don't make backups of the data on your Pre?
10:25.48quiniNo problem about spelling my nick  ;)
10:28.58Jack87-Worknot really.. havent had the need to
10:30.49quiniHave you overclocked it?
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10:31.11jack87yes sir
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10:38.01quiniI've been using unixpsycho's new governor -vdemand- ... but the screen showed false keypresses...
10:38.23quiniMy pre probably doesn't like that fixed 1GHz speed  8-?
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11:01.54ajayquini: I thought it said no? (for save+restore)
11:04.11ajaydtzWill: is the x11 lib in ipkg-opt separate from your stuff or the same?
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11:52.20ajaywas hopin Vz would be chompin to get its Pre2 out there due to skype.. sigh!
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12:13.48ajayok about that time..
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13:45.53eg3is someone working with c++ on the pre?
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15:43.53phil_bwwanders by
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15:48.52ice8lueheyho!
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17:11.56Decimatehi
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17:45.15destinal~~~~
17:45.15infobotARGH!!! STOP IT destinal!!!
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18:41.41AbyssulSo what is the standard way of getting into root terminal or SSH for 2.0?
18:44.46destinalAbyssul: if you have a PC connected, novaterm.   or install openssh via preware and ssh in
18:51.11AbyssulOpenssh doesnt appear in Preware
18:51.19Abyssulthats why I asked
18:51.37AbyssulI dont mind using a wire though
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18:53.03datafirmhi
18:53.42datafirmHaving issues with the latest meta-doctor.  After builing my doctor, Im getting an error such as "Installer.xml cannot be parsed"
18:53.45datafirmany ideas
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19:11.31MetaViewPreware reports 4 exceptions when parsing packages: palm-webos-device user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: org.webosinternals.preware: Error: EXCEPTION [infoLoad#parse (de.ailis.minimap):
19:11.52MetaViewthe report is in the log file
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19:25.57Zen00So, this is a new one on me.
19:26.34Zen00I go to plug in my Pre to my computer, but instead of getting the usual Media Drive, USB, Just charge options, the alarm volume pops up.
19:26.49Zen00And that's that, nothing else will pop up after that.
19:26.57Zen00I unplug it, and its still there.
19:27.15Zen00I try to restart the Pre, but it won't work.
19:27.23Zen00So I end up having to do a battery pull.
19:27.41Zen00Anyone else ever have this?
19:29.14MetaViewrestart your PC
19:29.42MetaViewI have it from time to time, the USB driver got a hit
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20:32.57datafirmMeta-doctor seems to create an error in every build i try.  Issues with Installer.xml
20:42.46datafirmjava.io.IOException: Installer.xml cannot be parsed! There may be a problem with the base ROM and or Customization package you have chosen.Content is not allowed in prolog.
20:43.35chrisaI just want to take a moment to laugh at precentral and engadget a bit
20:43.41chrisaok, I'm done
21:02.00egaudetwhat on earth is a "teen phone"?
21:05.57halfhalokin 3.0?
21:11.23geistlaughs at chrisa
21:13.30datafirmis gpatch really needed over patch on os x to use meta-doctor?
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21:29.55jhowirclol at geist and chrisa...
21:30.25halfhalohah
21:31.28destinalchrisa: the "teen phone" thing?  some days I wonder where they get their information
21:31.43datafirmcan anyone build be a sprint 1.4.5 rom that sets the device id to P100EWW.  For some reason meta-doctor is not making correct build for me anymore
21:31.59datafirmi just hope the 'teen phone' is not underpowered.
21:32.01datafirmheh
21:32.03destinalsupposedly named "castle"?  does p|c not realize castle =  pre?
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22:17.07rwhitby-preyeah, it's not gonna be castle
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22:18.30rwhitby-preMetaView: yeah, some packages have descriptions which cause json parsing errors.
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22:44.29datafirmwell, i had to build the doctor in windows in my virtual machine to get it to work.
22:44.42datafirmstrange.. there is something odd in my environment in os x
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