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00:05.07 | NuttyBunny | hi :) |
00:09.34 | cryptk | hola |
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00:34.56 | RgaNoris-Mobile | If anyone here is using wirc, can you connect to irc.esper.net? 0.3.5 |
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00:36.01 | ka6sox | Tman ping? |
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00:37.21 | RgaNoris-Mobile | Okay, accidentally logged out... anyone? |
00:46.20 | rick-home | RgaNoris-Mobile never tried, sorry. |
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01:03.20 | ajay | hola! |
01:04.17 | ajay | Hey yesterday I was asking on how to backup contacts, the 2 suggestions don't work for me (CellBrite and email patch). |
01:04.42 | ajay | any other suggestions/ideas? |
01:05.49 | ajay | (It's probably not working because my phone is a bit borked, if any are curious..) I just let the Updates app 'Update' my VzPre1.4.5 to.. VzPre1.4.5. All is still the same. (Surprising, i'm sure there's just an app not being launched somewhere, but sigh,yes, let's doctor and make an ext3 partition) |
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01:17.54 | ajay | alright a diff q then -- how do I backup my list of patches? |
01:18.37 | ajay | (other than 'saved packages list' in preware) |
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01:31.31 | rwhitby | recommends saved packages list in preware, then save/restore |
01:40.48 | ajay | is about to doctor.. eek! always so nervous, dunno why.. ;^) |
01:42.07 | ajay | rwhitby: Yeah did both of those for sure.. hopefully will be able to access them plaintext too |
01:43.22 | Tman | ka6sox: pong |
01:43.53 | rwhitby | ajay: ipkg -o /media/cryptofs/apps list_installed |
01:44.00 | ka6sox | heya guy...I recently had to doctor my pre...and rta is now AWOL.... |
01:44.17 | ka6sox | I *use* it daily |
01:44.30 | Tman | well it wasn't working on 1.4.5 until, ah, two nights ago :) |
01:44.46 | Tman | look for 0.3.2 on the tester site |
01:44.56 | ka6sox | good...now we need to make it work on 2.0. |
01:44.57 | ka6sox | :D |
01:45.09 | Tman | ehe :) |
01:45.27 | Tman | I'm not sure I want to doctor my only pre though :/ |
01:45.48 | ka6sox | Tman, don't blame ya |
01:46.19 | Tman | I suppose I could order a pre 2.. how much are they for devs again? |
01:48.50 | Tman | actually I could probably just get someone to test it for me, way cheaper :P |
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02:07.50 | ajay | rwhitby: yeah you mentioned that yesterday, but it doesn't list patches (unless I mislooked?) |
02:08.42 | rwhitby | sure it does |
02:08.54 | rwhitby | a patch is a package just like any other |
02:09.02 | ajay | Tman: $250 iirc? I don't know if there's s/h or tax in that price tho.. yeah cheaper to get someone to test for ya for sure.. :) You're not EAP then I take it? |
02:09.45 | Tman | I am in EAP.. are you referring to the ones they were giving away? I kinda missed the deadline on that |
02:10.24 | ajay | rwhitby: oops. I saved some list before doctoring, I hope I saved that one somewhere then! |
02:11.53 | ajay | Tman: Oh I meant if you were in the early access prog then you should be able to test your app through that access |
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02:12.46 | Tman | ajay: yeah but it uses mic access which won't run in the emulator and I don't really want to doctor my only pre right now. |
02:13.31 | ajay | Tman: ahh! I didn't know what app you were talking about.. :) |
02:13.58 | ajay | Has Palm announced any new camera/mic APIs for 2.0? I hadn't heard.. |
02:14.16 | ajay | is noticing his doctor has been at 50% for several minutes.. *nervous* |
02:14.44 | Tman | no |
02:14.49 | rwhitby | ajay: why aren't you watching the log ? |
02:15.04 | rwhitby | can't believe that people actually run the doctor without watching it's log file |
02:15.59 | oil | usually double clicks :) |
02:16.08 | oil | expects it to "just work" |
02:17.22 | ajay | rwhitby: oh the cmd-line reports 95% good. :) |
02:18.17 | ajay | oh wait that 95% note was 28 mins ago |
02:18.31 | rwhitby | yeah, that's not good |
02:18.34 | oil | lol |
02:19.07 | ajay | doh |
02:19.56 | ajay | I just metadoctored my ATT dev pre+ yesterday and it worked fine, but this is my personal phone.. :( |
02:21.52 | ajay | rwhitby: The log doesn't seem highly informative to me? |
02:23.50 | rwhitby | ajay: java -jar <file> output is highly informative |
02:24.43 | ajay | i can novaterm into the device, that's good (maybe?) i have a feeling there aren't good resources online for this, but lesse.. |
02:24.51 | ajay | rwhitby: INFO: Trenchcoat: Waiting.... doesn't really tell me much.. ;^) |
02:25.08 | Tman | oil: see pm :) |
02:28.07 | ajay | so is 40 minutes of nonactivity enough to cancel the doctoring? recommendations on how to cancel, 'reboot' from novaterm? not finding much info on this online.. |
02:30.36 | rwhitby | ajay: 'tellbootie recover' from novaterm |
02:31.28 | ajay | and then rerun dr? i've got a usb logo on the screen |
02:31.32 | rwhitby | yep |
02:32.28 | ajay | Oh I did try replacing BootLogo.tga in this metadoctor img, I wonder if that could be related |
02:33.12 | rwhitby | heh |
02:33.46 | rwhitby | "oh, I just pushed the detonate button, I wonder if that could be related" |
02:34.22 | ajay | oh come now! |
02:35.35 | Tman | hahah |
02:35.53 | ajay | that is _NOT_ the same |
02:36.39 | ajay | damn that phone do love rebooting now.. luna -- where, where are you now?? |
02:37.09 | ajay | it could just be my USB cable.. I don't remember which I used last night |
02:37.15 | rwhitby | right, there's no way replacing BootLogo.tga could have any negative affect on the doctoring process where trenchcoat is waiting for something ... |
02:37.19 | ajay | oh actually this pre's usb cable is borked |
02:37.27 | ajay | oh good |
02:37.34 | ajay | i mean, not usb cable, usb port |
02:37.44 | rwhitby | no way at all. couldn't possibly be related. never. |
02:38.58 | ajay | doctor doesn't want to recognize it.. hmm.. think i'll have to try recovery mode. shouldn't have powered off, oops |
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02:41.44 | ajay | i do like the price point of the Best Buy $5 hard cases, but damn are they a pain to remove.. |
02:48.19 | ajay | rwhitby: riight |
02:48.35 | ajay | remetadoctoring now |
02:49.16 | SineOt | ooh, 5$ hard cases? |
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02:51.26 | ajay | SineOt: right? The front half breaks for me without a huge amount of difficulty is the major complaint. (but then I just go and exchange it long as its been < 30 days) They also make the phone more bulky of course.. |
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02:58.18 | ajay | hmm, 100% complete is != 100% complete, turns out |
02:59.13 | rwhitby | yeah, lots happens after trenchcoat gets 100% of it's data |
03:02.07 | ajay | I guess i'll have to checkout the other method of replacing BootLogo then.. |
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03:21.40 | ajay | are there any reasons not to install apps as system apps (e.g. with ipkg from the cmd line) other than the space requirement |
03:23.57 | ajay | oh no ubuntu doesn't put that cool palm pre icon next to my phone anymore after doctoring :( |
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03:43.43 | SineOt | can't figure out how to get back to Ubuntu after... Meego took over the boot loader |
03:48.13 | ajay | any other verizon folks out there? |
03:49.03 | Loudergood | aye |
03:49.25 | Loudergood | fucking gps eh? |
03:51.11 | ajay | haha |
03:51.32 | oil | you may get the pre+, but i get reliable gps on my pre- :) |
03:51.43 | ajay | ppht. gps is for.. losers |
03:52.01 | ajay | says get it? haha |
03:55.41 | ajay | wonders.. what if there was an EAP-only chatroom? |
03:56.08 | Loudergood | difficult to implement though |
03:56.18 | ajay | it'd be slightly tricky |
03:57.16 | SineOt | not too bad I don't think, depending |
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03:57.36 | SineOt | IRCd supports +k aka key mode, toss on +s and it won't show up on /whois or /list unless you're already in the room... |
03:58.32 | SineOt | The biggest hurdle would be the fact that it'd be here on Freenode |
03:58.34 | Tman | would be nice actually |
03:58.57 | ajay | SineOt: why is that a hurdle? |
03:59.21 | Loudergood | harder for palm/hp to control |
03:59.27 | SineOt | because IRCops would be able to read content without being subject to the NDA |
03:59.39 | SineOt | simply because they y'know, run it :] |
03:59.52 | SineOt | Why Palm/HP hasn't set up their own IRC server, I dunno~ |
04:00.00 | SineOt | it's not that difficult |
04:00.46 | bpadalino | sounds like a lot of work when freenode is already there |
04:02.06 | ajay | SineOt: who are these IRCops, and can we speak to them? |
04:02.08 | SineOt | yeah, but when freenode is already there and leaves one last hurdle for NDA compliance |
04:03.43 | SineOt | Dunno, you'd need to contact freenode |
04:03.49 | SineOt | Well, and Palm |
04:06.07 | bpadalino | they could probably setup a #webos-ea if they wanted and have an access control list of who can join .. that would probably be good enough for them |
04:07.27 | SineOt | well, that'd be what +k would be. You'd have to do /join #channel passwordkey or it wouldn't let you join. |
04:07.44 | SineOt | +s would keep it secret so that it wouldn't show up in /whois or /list for channels, unless you're already in the channel |
04:07.56 | halfhalo | yawns |
04:07.59 | bpadalino | irc is fancy |
04:08.13 | ajay | oo nice |
04:08.14 | oil | pretends he is going to stick his finger in halfhalos mouth to cut his yawn short! |
04:08.18 | Loudergood | yeah it is, I always laugh when people try to replace it |
04:08.23 | oil | muahaha |
04:08.39 | Loudergood | the only thing on the internet more resiliant than irc is email |
04:08.42 | SineOt | Distribute the passwordkey to somewhere only EAP people can get it, then there you go |
04:08.43 | halfhalo | ignores oil since he wold bite his finger off if he tried |
04:08.50 | oil | haha |
04:09.16 | ajay | SineOt: sounds easy enough! |
04:09.56 | halfhalo | thats what she said |
04:12.37 | ajay | damn that preware autoload on metadr is sweet! (now only if preware would load after save+restore) |
04:13.44 | oil | always uses that option |
04:14.18 | Tman | autoload when? |
04:14.27 | halfhalo | oh hey... im broke |
04:14.44 | oil | it puts it in the doctor |
04:15.04 | Tman | ah right |
04:36.19 | rwhitby-pre | oil: actually, it just puts a download entry in the queue, preware doesn't actually get embedded in the doctor |
04:37.13 | oil | ah, close enough :) |
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04:49.48 | ajay | wonders whether his app prob (PDK-related) is fixed in 2.0.. |
04:50.58 | ajay | I did a Save/Restore of my preware data, now preware says "Complete!" |
04:51.45 | ajay | and by says, I mean, it's been on that screen for 10 minutes |
04:51.59 | halfhalo | It must be really, really compete |
04:52.23 | SineOt | is bashing his head in with this stupid stupid UDP listener! |
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04:53.27 | ajay | sigh.. |
05:00.09 | SineOt | hrm |
05:00.24 | Tman | SineOt: A club might be more effective |
05:00.31 | Tman | or bat of some sort |
05:01.46 | ajay | so.. how do I reset preware, just delete its dbs? |
05:02.55 | ajay | hmm.. I wonder if the SlingBox flash client would work on the phone.. |
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05:19.46 | oil | preware stores things in a number of places |
05:20.11 | oil | cookie for settings |
05:20.15 | oil | and text files in a folder for feeds |
05:20.26 | oil | and there is a status file which holds a list of whats installed |
05:20.27 | ajay | looks like it's not in the usb partition |
05:20.34 | oil | none of it is |
05:22.40 | ajay | is there a way i can clear it but bring in my saved packages list? |
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05:33.10 | SineOt | ffs Meego :B |
05:34.51 | oil | ajay: what are you wanting to clear? |
05:50.20 | ajay | oil: Anything that will allow me to start Preware. It's stuck on "Complete!" |
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05:52.48 | SineOt | wants to punch EVERYTTHINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGgggggggggggg. |
05:53.06 | SineOt | Shitty documentation is the worst thing. |
05:53.23 | SineOt | stabs Boxee in the face. |
06:00.02 | oil | ajay, anything in the logs? |
06:00.15 | oil | if you're not on 1.5.0, you should just palm-install it |
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06:02.35 | SineOt | ffffudp :B |
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06:05.33 | SineOt | Boxee: we give you a spot to say what the name of your application is, but we only support one value for it! :V |
06:14.19 | ajay | I have 1.5.0 installed.. will look for logs, my comp has gotten dog slow, gah! |
06:14.57 | ajay | oil: is there a specific preware log file? |
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06:16.04 | Decimate | hi |
06:16.12 | oil | ajay: use lumberjack |
06:16.23 | oil | run lumberjack and follow the log then start preware |
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06:33.34 | ajay | oil: oh but I like to install lumberjack via preware! gah this'll be fun times.. ;^) |
06:33.56 | oil | or orange+tap remove it |
06:34.02 | oil | and reinstall preware |
06:34.41 | ajay | ok that sounds easier. but i guess if i debug it that can help you guys? |
06:42.21 | ajay | It stopped working after I did a save+Restore restore from my prior preware ver |
06:43.52 | oil | oh |
06:43.56 | oil | its probably something with save restore |
06:44.00 | oil | and that is in a database |
06:44.09 | oil | (i didn't write that part, which is why i didn't remember it before) |
06:44.35 | oil | databases from previous versions have a problem which the new version can't parse |
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06:50.20 | ajay | Is there a way i can at least keep my 'saved packages list'? |
06:53.22 | oil | no, you should delete it |
06:58.07 | ajay | oh root pw, so no recommendation, ignore that |
06:59.21 | ajay | oil: reinstall worked! good call |
07:06.06 | ajay | ohh man maybe firefox does still leak a lot of memory, eek! |
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07:47.55 | ajay | hmm, what is this 'secure shell' app? curious.. |
07:48.15 | dtzWill | doctoring pre- to att, suggestions? |
07:51.29 | ajay | pre- to att? yo crazy! ;^) |
08:39.45 | ajay | dtzWill: just wanted to checkin re X.. |
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08:54.37 | ajay | says damn you verizon i'm not roaming! |
08:55.40 | ajay | ipkg-opt is part of preware, right? |
08:55.46 | ajay | just wondering why some pkgs (e.g. vim) are not mentioned there |
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09:03.42 | NuttyBunny | hi all |
09:07.39 | ajay | hey nutty.. oh I was going to quote what you said to me in a blog post re saving contacts/etc i didn't think to ask you or rwhitby for permission first tho? (didn't publish) |
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09:42.58 | ajay | omg unison, wget-ssl, etc! oh my! ipkg-opt <3 |
09:43.25 | ajay | i wonder how tor works tho.. seems like the browser'd need to be setup in proxy mode for that |
09:46.10 | ajay | oh my /opt is only 62 mb, ocaml is more than half that! |
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09:49.22 | ajay | next metadoctor i'll have to instead increase /var instead of making an ext3 partition. :( |
09:50.43 | ajay | I don't see /opt in fstab, so it's some LVM-y-business? Don't really know anything about LVM :( |
09:57.27 | ka6sox | check /mount |
09:57.32 | ka6sox | er mount |
09:57.52 | ajay | that just confirms its some LVM-y-fun |
09:58.16 | ajay | "for applications that have not been repackaged for preware" I see mentioned online.. damn, unison is DEFINITELY worthy of bein in preware! |
09:59.29 | ajay | i wonder.. no palm wouldn't allow an app in the app catalog that didn't display anything to the user graphically (i imagine) |
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10:12.41 | quini | Hi! Can messaging data be restored after a Doctor (data is saved thanks to Save/Restore 1.2.6)? TIA! |
10:16.24 | Jack87-Work | hola |
10:17.46 | quini | Hoola! |
10:18.18 | Jack87-Work | seems so quiet |
10:18.27 | Jack87-Work | then again it is the middle of the night... in the states |
10:20.45 | quini | Shame -I won't get my question answered- ;) |
10:20.59 | Jack87-Work | qhr a toue quini uestion |
10:21.17 | Jack87-Work | oh i just noticed it.. |
10:21.24 | Jack87-Work | sorry i dont use save/restore cant answer |
10:21.44 | Jack87-Work | that was weird |
10:22.31 | Jack87-Work | i just spelled your name as typo..... my fingers were in wrong spots of the keyboard. i am a bit drunk to but i spelled out your username without meaning to so odd! |
10:25.28 | quini | You don't make backups of the data on your Pre? |
10:25.48 | quini | No problem about spelling my nick ;) |
10:28.58 | Jack87-Work | not really.. havent had the need to |
10:30.49 | quini | Have you overclocked it? |
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10:31.11 | jack87 | yes sir |
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10:38.01 | quini | I've been using unixpsycho's new governor -vdemand- ... but the screen showed false keypresses... |
10:38.23 | quini | My pre probably doesn't like that fixed 1GHz speed 8-? |
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11:01.54 | ajay | quini: I thought it said no? (for save+restore) |
11:04.11 | ajay | dtzWill: is the x11 lib in ipkg-opt separate from your stuff or the same? |
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11:52.20 | ajay | was hopin Vz would be chompin to get its Pre2 out there due to skype.. sigh! |
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12:13.48 | ajay | ok about that time.. |
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13:45.53 | eg3 | is someone working with c++ on the pre? |
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17:11.56 | Decimate | hi |
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17:45.15 | destinal | ~~~~ |
17:45.15 | infobot | ARGH!!! STOP IT destinal!!! |
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18:41.41 | Abyssul | So what is the standard way of getting into root terminal or SSH for 2.0? |
18:44.46 | destinal | Abyssul: if you have a PC connected, novaterm. or install openssh via preware and ssh in |
18:51.11 | Abyssul | Openssh doesnt appear in Preware |
18:51.19 | Abyssul | thats why I asked |
18:51.37 | Abyssul | I dont mind using a wire though |
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18:53.03 | datafirm | hi |
18:53.42 | datafirm | Having issues with the latest meta-doctor. After builing my doctor, Im getting an error such as "Installer.xml cannot be parsed" |
18:53.45 | datafirm | any ideas |
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19:11.31 | MetaView | Preware reports 4 exceptions when parsing packages: palm-webos-device user.crit LunaSysMgr: {LunaSysMgrJS}: org.webosinternals.preware: Error: EXCEPTION [infoLoad#parse (de.ailis.minimap): |
19:11.52 | MetaView | the report is in the log file |
19:12.09 | MetaView | <PROTECTED> |
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19:25.57 | Zen00 | So, this is a new one on me. |
19:26.34 | Zen00 | I go to plug in my Pre to my computer, but instead of getting the usual Media Drive, USB, Just charge options, the alarm volume pops up. |
19:26.49 | Zen00 | And that's that, nothing else will pop up after that. |
19:26.57 | Zen00 | I unplug it, and its still there. |
19:27.15 | Zen00 | I try to restart the Pre, but it won't work. |
19:27.23 | Zen00 | So I end up having to do a battery pull. |
19:27.41 | Zen00 | Anyone else ever have this? |
19:29.14 | MetaView | restart your PC |
19:29.42 | MetaView | I have it from time to time, the USB driver got a hit |
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20:32.57 | datafirm | Meta-doctor seems to create an error in every build i try. Issues with Installer.xml |
20:42.46 | datafirm | java.io.IOException: Installer.xml cannot be parsed! There may be a problem with the base ROM and or Customization package you have chosen.Content is not allowed in prolog. |
20:43.35 | chrisa | I just want to take a moment to laugh at precentral and engadget a bit |
20:43.41 | chrisa | ok, I'm done |
21:02.00 | egaudet | what on earth is a "teen phone"? |
21:05.57 | halfhalo | kin 3.0? |
21:11.23 | geist | laughs at chrisa |
21:13.30 | datafirm | is gpatch really needed over patch on os x to use meta-doctor? |
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21:29.55 | jhowirc | lol at geist and chrisa... |
21:30.25 | halfhalo | hah |
21:31.28 | destinal | chrisa: the "teen phone" thing? some days I wonder where they get their information |
21:31.43 | datafirm | can anyone build be a sprint 1.4.5 rom that sets the device id to P100EWW. For some reason meta-doctor is not making correct build for me anymore |
21:31.59 | datafirm | i just hope the 'teen phone' is not underpowered. |
21:32.01 | datafirm | heh |
21:32.03 | destinal | supposedly named "castle"? does p|c not realize castle = pre? |
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22:17.07 | rwhitby-pre | yeah, it's not gonna be castle |
22:17.56 | halfhalo | <PROTECTED> |
22:18.30 | rwhitby-pre | MetaView: yeah, some packages have descriptions which cause json parsing errors. |
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22:44.29 | datafirm | well, i had to build the doctor in windows in my virtual machine to get it to work. |
22:44.42 | datafirm | strange.. there is something odd in my environment in os x |
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