IRC log for #webos-internals on 20110103

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00:20.06fahhem_preI spent 3 days compiling widk, only to be in a car when it finished
00:20.33Loudergoodlol
00:20.37Loudergood3 days?
00:22.09fahhem_preYeah, I'd start it and do something else
00:22.22fahhem_preThen come back to it a few hours later to see it's been broken for an hour and I'd fix that and start the process over
00:23.22oc80zheh.
00:23.27oc80zthats not bad.
00:23.28fahhem_preDidn't help that most of my packages were the wrong version so I'd spend a while googling and keep getting changelogs
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00:24.02oc80zits not like you were compiling for an embedded target with specific bootloader kernel file size ;]
00:24.25fahhem_preWhat are you hinting at?
00:24.31oc80zgood job :)
00:24.44oc80z...i was in the biggest apple store in the world today.
00:24.55oc80zthey didnt have a dual core i7 on site for demo..
00:24.57fahhem_preHeaven? Lol
00:25.14oc80zand none of their imac/mac pro machines had X-Tools installed.
00:25.32oc80zi should make a reddit cartoon about that.
00:25.41SineOtdo you mean Xcode?
00:25.52oc80zXcode, mm. yeah/
00:26.17oc80zlame right?
00:26.42SineOtnot really, it's a retail store, why would they have the SDK install on the demo machines? :p
00:26.52fahhem_preWhy would it be installed on demo machines?
00:27.29fahhem_preYeah, the demo machines are prolly just cloned from some master anyway
00:28.03SineOtI wouldn't go into one of the Microsoft retail stores and expect them to have Visual Studio on them :p
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00:30.00Loudergoodyou missed your opening bracket there
00:30.20chrisaor perhaps it's a really late closed bracket
00:30.28scoutcamperlol
00:30.32scoutcamperoops
00:31.10fahhem_preHe just json'd our whole conversation
00:33.12oc80zheh.
00:34.20oc80zthe biggest apple store on earth..
00:35.00fahhem_preIs a costco?
00:39.00oc80zi thought it was pretty pathetic.
00:39.15SineOtit's a retail store
00:39.35oc80zhow else are you to benchmark , or even check out multiple guest os's
00:39.49oc80zyeah, based on trying the stuff out.
00:40.10oc80zyou have an apple of course.
00:40.57geistwhich store was it?
00:41.05oc80zboston.
00:41.13geistbaaston
00:41.33SineOtit's retail? :/
00:41.33oc80zit rhymes with austin.
00:41.49SineOtI don't go to Best Buy and expect all the PCs to have Visual Studio on them lol
00:41.56geistthere are a bunch of em here in the bay area, but most aren't crazy huge
00:42.26oc80zi expect best buy to sell shit, and know nothing about the shit they sell. hehe
00:42.34geisti generally hate BB
00:42.46geistthe whole place just kind of sets me off
00:42.53geistmakes me want to go out and kill
00:42.56oc80zyes.
00:43.08Loudergoodthat's the lighting
00:43.23geistprobably. apple stores fill me with the need to buy things
00:43.30oc80zor the fact radioshack doesnt carry/sell USB cables anymore.
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00:44.04oc80zand when you find one at bestbusy, its $25
00:44.09oc80zthen you see one for $10
00:44.27geistyou need a frys for that
00:44.30oc80zand you go to plug your phone in to copy some mp3s, and notice it only supports power/charge, not data transfer.
00:44.31halfhaloThe next to last time I went into best buy I could not think of a thing to buy with a 50 dollar gift card
00:44.39oc80zwe have a microcenter.
00:44.46geistthey have everything, pretty cheap, and their complete ineptitude at trying to sell you something means it's pretty hassle free
00:44.47oc80zit should be called, chinacenter.
00:44.56halfhalohas a drys gift card
00:45.10Davide-NYCDows anyone know what the status is of the new Freetether?
00:45.22geistthe only thime they get aggressive is in the TV area. they circle around there like vultures
00:45.28oc80zyou look on the back of the box to see if its somthing that might work, and its a translated convolutied abstract of somthing about... you get the point
00:45.49halfhaloHeh.. For some reason try's has airsoft guns in front of the CPU/mobocracy area
00:45.51oc80zDavide-NYC for 2.0?
00:45.58halfhaloDammit iPad
00:46.06geistnice. so you can fight off the slimy sales guys
00:46.33Davide-NYCFor either 1.4.5 or 2.0.1
00:46.47Davide-NYCI keep seeing screenshots
00:46.59oc80zoh?
00:47.07halfhaloWhat sales guys.... :p
00:47.16oc80zsup halfhalo.
00:47.18geistwell, they're over at the TV area
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00:47.20oc80zdownload stanza
00:47.51oc80zbest epub/pdf reader, supports dropbox too.
00:47.57oc80zor viceversa.
00:48.33oc80zbout to go rocka bowl of cereal and some haloreach
00:48.39oc80zjust got back to the states, hrmph.
00:48.43halfhaloMeh
00:48.54halfhaloDrys makes me buy random crap
00:49.22oc80zppl at telefonica and claro try to sell me phones, im like snap, you see that , thats palm pre cholo!
00:49.43fahhem_preHalfhalo: turn off autocorrect, fry's doesn't appreciate all the slurs
00:49.46halfhaloI go in for something simple like canned air, and walk out with a new router. Not that kneed one, but it was on sale for like 19bucks
00:50.10oc80z..with 4mb flash..
00:50.24halfhaloAnd
00:51.13halfhaloThe worst part is the fastest way to the computer area is through the random shit aisle
00:51.20oc80zhaha
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00:51.32oc80zhalfhalo
00:51.35halfhaloLike shrink-wrap and Velcro
00:51.36oc80zlet me upload a video for you to see
00:51.41SineOtthat's Fry's for you!
00:51.43oc80zill show you what was in the market in south america..
00:52.01Loudergoodhaha, I almost did pretty much the same thing at lowes today
00:52.15Loudergoodnearly walked out with some new shelves and a dremel tool
00:52.33halfhalo"hmm.  A new multimeter?  Why the hell not!"
00:52.57geistyeah, i go there for lulz
00:53.03halfhaloFffffffff rain messing with tv
00:53.05geistgenerally dont end up buying anything
00:55.04halfhaloI usually get stuff from amazon now.  No tax ftw
00:55.10geistyeah, but you have to wait
00:56.02Loudergoodyeah my nearest lowes is in NH, so no tax there either
00:56.06oc80zbah uploading takea min
00:56.11halfhaloTwo days, not a big deal
00:56.20Loudergoodthank god there's not a frys or microcenter there
00:56.22halfhaloAnd if it's important, new egg is same day
00:56.30bpadalinoamazon prime is a pretty decent deal if you get a lot of stuff from amazon
00:56.37bpadalinoor if you're a student since it's free to them
00:56.49Loudergoodyeah, student/teacher prime is awesome
00:57.41Loudergoodtakes a lot of pressure off when you postpone your xmas shopping until finals week
00:57.54halfhaloI have it due to being a student
00:58.07halfhaloGrr, the 15 better not be closed Tuesday
00:59.25halfhaloshould probly pack chains just in case
01:05.33geistreminds me, i should probably get new tires before heading up to tahoe this season
01:05.52geiststill got another 10k or so of tread, but it's a bit low for snow
01:07.30halfhaloMy car does not do well even with new tires
01:07.43geisti gots me a subaru
01:07.48geistdoes great in the snow
01:07.56halfhaloFwdish plus lightweight equals interesting
01:08.17halfhaloI just can't really accelerate...
01:08.42halfhaloTurning stopping is fine
01:09.02geistmine has a tendency to lock the right front
01:09.40geistbrake balance is fine, probably a weight thing
01:09.51halfhaloYeah
01:10.43halfhaloHeh, if i stop on a painted line like for crosswalks when it's wet i have 0 traction to accelerate
01:11.00geistugh, those are terrible on motorcycles too
01:11.03halfhaloHave to basically idle forward
01:12.26halfhaloBib
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01:54.40halfhaloHmmm... I don't think I have snochains...
02:02.18halfhaloMeh
02:02.37halfhalogoes to bring his car into the garage
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03:03.33jackjohnhello
03:03.52jackjohntrying to get mobilehotspot working, can anyone help?
03:05.09jackjohni have installed mobile hotspot as well as freetether and freetetherD,
03:05.37jackjohnin mobile hotspot it says mobile service hotspot service is not running
03:22.36PuffTheMagicif u want a few more days freeTether 1.0 will be out
03:22.44PuffTheMagicno more need for mobile hotspot
03:22.50PuffTheMagicwill give u wifi/bt/usb tethering
03:24.24jackjohnwhere will that be availble?
03:24.31jackjohnpreware?
03:27.20jackjohnany chance i could beta test it?
03:30.06PuffTheMagicits not really ready for beta me and egaudet have been doing lots of work on it
03:30.45PuffTheMagicwe know everything that needs to happen its just tying it all into a reliable end user gui that is taking a little time
03:31.03PuffTheMagicbut this release is gonna be ready this week
03:31.09PuffTheMagicin preware testing for a day or two
03:31.13PuffTheMagicthen is normal feed
03:31.36jackjohnso i could get it in preware now?
03:32.23scoutcamperjackjohn, no, in a few days when PuffTheMagic and egaudet release it
03:32.43jackjohnok thanks, wasnt clear what he meant by in preware testing
03:32.53jackjohnwhat is meant by normal feed?
03:33.14jackjohnwebos-internals feed?
03:33.18scoutcamperjackjohn, on preware, you have the normal feed enabled, you have to manually enable the testing feed
03:34.07jackjohnok
03:34.21jackjohnlet me see if i can figure that out
03:35.00jackjohnwhats the url for the testing feed?
03:37.29jackjohnfound it
03:41.41jackjohnso if i install the testing app, when its updated will preware let me know to update?
04:02.39torchiehype for freetether
04:03.13Loudergoodyeah, it's in demand now
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05:22.21KittyHeatherso i modified a theme that i got off of prethemer, and all the directions i saw said after i made my edits to rezip it and install through woqi ... problem is, i can't figure out where ... i'm running the linux version of WOQI
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05:30.14Davide-NYCI can't seem to connect to jason robitaille's feed. I can't install his patches
05:30.23Davide-NYCanybody else having this issue?
05:35.11ka6soxwhy would we know about this?
05:36.57Davide-NYCit's in preware
05:38.45Davide-NYCactually, I think it's a preware feed.
05:39.17ka6soxhmmm
05:39.19Davide-NYC-1: Unable to run command: /usr/bin/curl --create-dirs --insecure --location --fail --show-error --output /media/internal/.developer/ca.canucksoftware.systoolsmgr_0.3.0_all.ipk http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/ca.canucksoftware.systoolsmgr_0.3.0_all.ipk 2>&1
05:39.20ka6soxpossibly
05:39.33Davide-NYCalso this: curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404
05:39.43ka6soxthe 404 means its not there
05:39.49ka6soxso I'm not sure why
05:40.02KittyHeatheri know i've had issues from getting stuff put out by PreGame
05:40.07KittyHeathernamely the LED Manager Service
05:40.23KittyHeatheralso a 404
05:40.34KittyHeatherwhich is in the main Preware feed
05:40.48Davide-NYCstuff is missing from ipkg.preware.org
05:40.54Davide-NYC(maybe?)
05:41.03rwhitbyDavide-NYC: PreCentral moved their feed. I updated the Preware feeds to match, but Jason uses a custom Source: field in his packages, and he needs up modify them to match PreCentral's change.  He is aware of that.
05:41.05KittyHeathermaybe
05:41.33Davide-NYCrwhitby: thanks. Then it's just a matter of him getting to it?
05:41.34KittyHeatherahh ... same issue with PreGame's stuff?
05:41.54rwhitbyKittyHeather: no, it should be fine, since it's in the webos-internals feed.
05:42.31Davide-NYCalso some of sconix's stuff.
05:42.34Davide-NYC(I think)
05:42.34KittyHeatheri just checked it and i get the same message, but with the address http://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/precentral/net.vertigostudios.ledmanager_0.2.3_all.ipk
05:43.14rwhitbyhttp://ipkg.preware.org/feeds/webos-internals/all/net.vertigostudios.ledmanager_0.2.3_all.ipk works for me
05:43.38KittyHeatherhttp://atech.pastebin.com/dGs7ReB2
05:43.39rwhitbyDon't know PreCentral is trying to distribute that in their feed
05:43.50KittyHeatheri just tried it two minutes ago
05:43.54rwhitbys/know/know why/
05:44.08KittyHeathermaybe something in that pastebin would show the root of my problem?
05:44.15Davide-NYCnevermind about sconix. The ASM - Framewrok doesn't install cleanly.
05:44.16rwhitbysame issue - PreCentral upstream change, which for some reason is now publishing packages that it shouldn't
05:44.48Davide-NYCThat's not the only they're publishing which they shouldn't.
05:44.54Davide-NYCducks
05:46.28ka6soxcan't fix problems with upstream, so he heads out
05:48.00KittyHeatheri'm still trying to work out my theming issues
05:53.51KittyHeatherfrom what I can tell, in old versions of WOQI in the Themer menu there was a button to let you load your own zip file from your computer ... in the 3.14 version of WOQI I can't find that button anywhere
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05:56.23rwhitbyKittyHeather: sorry, dunno much about WOQI - perhaps try the PreCentral support thread for it.
05:57.45KittyHeatheryeah ... they're the ones who say there's a local theme button in WOQI
06:00.15KittyHeatherwhich there was like back in 2.6, somewhere between then and now it got removed
06:06.25KittyHeatheryeah ... every time someone asks how to install themes in 3.14 on the official thread they just tell then "Use Preware" ... so I dunno anymore ...
06:07.59rwhitbyShould be in the changelog for WOQI when it got taken out.  If it was open source you'd be able to look at the source code repo to see what and when it happened, but alas it's closed.
06:08.41KittyHeatheryeah, so i guess i have to muck with uploading the info to prethemer and try to get the ipk that way
06:21.59KittyHeatherahh, which for the record, the prethemer website appears to let you upload the zip file, and it'll make the ipk for it without having it go public (so if you are uncertain about rights, etc.)
06:22.35KittyHeatherscrewed up the first time, and now it's locked my themes up, so i'm trying to fix that right now
06:28.32halfhaloattempted to work on code tonight but didn't because it's todamncold
06:28.41torchieyeah same
06:28.47torchieexcept it was more like INTERNET VIDEOOOOS
06:29.01halfhalois expecting snow where he lives
06:30.01torchiesouth florida
06:30.06torchie:D
06:31.29halfhalorwhitby: What do you think of making the patch portal in node.js.  Like ruby, it's much more suited to using git they way it's currently used, and it's js, which means more than just me (unfortunately) knows how to program in it
06:32.50rwhitbyworks for me
06:33.24halfhaloSweet.
06:33.24rwhitbyreplicate the current one, then we'll make improvements from there.
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06:33.52KittyHeatheronly understood every third or fourth word
06:34.18halfhalois not replicating the whole "everything in one giant file" though
06:34.29rwhitbygood
06:35.13rwhitbyis now up-to-date with webos-internals housekeeping after 5 days campling
06:35.18rwhitbycamping even
06:35.23halfhaloHeh
06:35.36rwhitbynow to look at this mplayer stuff
06:35.58halfhalois shutting everything down tomorrow since he leaves for ces on Tuesday
06:36.37halfhaloAssuming I can get there
06:37.15torchiemplayer wha
06:41.49dtzWilldid the source get posted?
06:43.06KittyHeatherwould this mplayer be able to handle other video formats?  i've had a heck of a time trying to find something to convert my avi's to mp4's
06:43.58rwhitbydtzWill: http://code.google.com/p/mplayer-for-palm-pre/
06:43.59halfhalodoes think that before the node patches portal gets going a clear outline of what it does now needs to be recorded, and a discussion of where people want it to go to in the long run to avoid having to rewrite parts of code due to a lack of foresight
06:44.19dtzWillrwhitby: wowza, excellent :D
06:44.52rwhitbyoil and I reckon we can do a simple file-picker front-end to it
06:45.43KittyHeatherworth looking into after i get my phone reflashed *smacks herself upside the head*
06:49.21halfhalojust wants something like " it does a,b, and c now, we want it to do x,y, and z in the long run"
06:50.50dtzWillrwhitby: sounds good re:picker :)
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18:10.05ice8lueheyho!
18:11.09Jack87morning
18:12.56ice8luei got my samba configuration working so far...but now i need to get back into webos programming for the guy =/
18:13.24ice8luegui
18:13.53Jack87thats awesome!
18:14.02Loudergoodnice
18:14.32ice8lueis it worth to build try building that app in ares?
18:15.02Jack87do you not have sdk?
18:15.14Loudergoodall you really need to do is have a pretty way to edit some text files right?
18:15.21ice8luesure i have
18:15.27ice8lueya, something like that
18:16.04ice8luein best case, getting an option into device menu, but so far, i want to build a gui for editing the config
18:17.01Loudergoodoh yeah, use device menu to start/stop the service..I like that
18:17.31Jack87indeed
18:17.54ice8lue;)
18:18.04Jack87so when you are at public wifi zone you arent sharing everythng if you rememmber to turn it off :)'
18:18.16ice8lueyap...
18:19.11ice8luemaybe it would also be possible to activate that service automatically if a special wifi network is connected?
18:19.44ice8luelet's set that to the todo list^
18:20.26Loudergoodice8lue: that sounds like a good job for mode switcher
18:21.14ice8lueLoudergood: is modeswitcher capable of doing thing dependend on a special SSID? I dont use that app^^
18:21.38LoudergoodI think so, but I'm not sure since I don't either
18:21.51ice8luehmm...
18:21.56ice8luewill check that later
18:22.23ice8luewanna finish that app soon because my exams at university are coming closer ~.~
18:22.46Loudergoodah i know how that is, mine were before the holiday
18:23.02Jack87like wise
18:23.16Jack87nervous for school to start again ahh!
18:23.32ice8lueand were they successfull?
18:23.42ice8lueJack87: which school type?
18:24.05Loudergoodyeah they were thankfully
18:24.48ice8lue=) congratulations
18:25.05Jack87i failed my CS exam (we were allowed notes and i made notes on one comp finished on another and went to print from first comp) when i went in to take the exam. my notes i printed were of first draft hadnt sycned yet and i didnt check! :(
18:25.12Jack87ice8lue: university
18:25.32Jack87in the states school is used for anything education related pretty much
18:26.10Jack87anyway still scored an A in the class (all assignments and previous exams were 100% perfect)
18:26.40scoutcamperwhois infobot
18:26.45scoutcamperlol
18:26.46scoutcamperoops
18:26.49ice8lue;) luck^^
18:29.49Jack87:)
18:30.18scoutcamper~nickometer Jack87
18:30.40ice8luexD
18:30.42Jack87whats the other 81%?
18:30.50scoutcamperlol
18:30.52scoutcamperidk
18:30.54scoutcamperask it
18:31.39Jack87how?
18:32.01ice8lue~nickometer scoutcamper
18:32.10scoutcamper:D
18:32.11ice8lue^^
18:32.54Jack87~nickometer jack87
18:33.11Loudergood~nickometer infobot
18:33.34ice8lue;) good one
18:34.19Jack87im special :)
18:35.02ice8lue~
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18:36.22scoutcamper~nickometer ice8lue
18:36.32scoutcamper^^
18:36.45ice8lue;)
18:37.09scoutcamperok, no more infobot in the public channel
18:37.21Loudergoodgets the feeling the bot doesn't like numbers
18:37.22scoutcamperyou can do this private
18:38.13Loudergoodlol
18:38.28scoutcamper12345Loudergood, nope
18:38.33scoutcamper12345im still 0%
18:38.41Loudergoodhaha
18:41.02scoutcamperLoudergood, http://adamspiers.org/computing/nickometer/
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19:40.30destinalscoutcamper: cool, I get 0% also
19:41.46scoutcamper:D
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22:23.50klktrkWhat are the best options for getting python running on 1.4.5?
22:24.33torchiecross compliation?
22:24.40torchiedunno if python's in optware
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22:59.46klktrkgot it. ipkg-opt list | grep pyth
23:00.50klktrkgives a hit. only question would be the best way to wrap it into an app without requiring users to have ipkg-opt installed and online. But I'll figure that out. At least I know there's a package I can work against.
23:01.54ka6soxklktrk, optwarefind.nslu2-linux.org
23:02.37ka6soxand if you have a login on the webos-internals wiki then add that to the optware page please.
23:03.10ka6soxor halfhalo can add it (as its his app :D) to the wiki so folks can find it.
23:07.30klktrkka6sox: thanks.
23:08.43ka6soxklktrk, love the nick.
23:09.03ka6soxkeeping drummers in time forever :D
23:09.24klktrkwhile slipping off in my own life. yes.
23:10.50ka6soxdon't I know it
23:11.25ka6sox3hrs to mix/master for every minute of actual track.
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23:16.58ka6soxthat assumes its <16tracks...over 16tracks and its a LOT more
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23:28.09rwhitbyklktrk: if someone is going to be running python on the command line anyway, then installing ipkg-opt via Preware is no big deal for them.  If you're going to embed it into some mojo application, then that would be a reason to repackage it.
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23:32.21lingfishCurse you AusPost!
23:33.34klktrkrwhitby:yeah, i'm not going to ask them to run it on the command line. Or, rather, I want to present  a GUI to the average user which will run some python commands in the background, so I'll have to package it.
23:35.46torchiemastrin sounds hard yo
23:36.36halfhalowhowhatnow?
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23:38.31halfhalohehe... optwarefind...
23:38.54rwhitbyklktrk: homebrew or app catalog?
23:43.20halfhalotheoretically optwarefind has an api... someone should make an app for that
23:44.28klktrkrwhitby:i'll probably start at homebrew.
23:45.38klktrkrwhitby: see what the demand is like. not sure it's really for the average user, since it will require a host to connect to, and I'm not sure how many people have that. but i also don't want to make it too geeky since it's intended for security in public wifi spots.
23:45.55klktrkso it's got to be easy to use.
23:46.43rwhitbyklktrk: for app catalog, you'll need to package python with every app which uses it (meaning multiple copies of python on the device). with homebrew, we may be able to just have one copy.
23:47.01klktrkrwhitby: that's very good to know.
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