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| 01:04.34 | coveredwagonkid | anyone awake and active? |
| 01:06.42 | Loudergood | yes and no |
| 01:07.01 | Loudergood | I'm here but I should be working on other things |
| 01:08.11 | coveredwagonkid | Loudergood fair enough |
| 01:10.23 | rick-nook | I'm up |
| 01:11.21 | rick-nook | Sort of. Sitting on the couch watching tv with my nook color. |
| 01:11.44 | coveredwagonkid | rick-nook how familiar are you with either preware's app catalog feed issues or openssh issues? |
| 01:12.14 | rwhitby | what issues? |
| 01:12.39 | rick-nook | Not very. |
| 01:12.45 | coveredwagonkid | rwhitby sorry, that probably came off wrong |
| 01:12.56 | coveredwagonkid | i am experiencing an issue |
| 01:12.58 | rick-nook | OK try again |
| 01:13.35 | coveredwagonkid | official app catalog feed within preware doesnt seem to be pulling the latest and greatest package list |
| 01:14.41 | rick-nook | What was your ssh problem? |
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| 01:15.54 | coveredwagonkid | rick-nook after following the directions from the wiki article, putty throws a connection refused error |
| 01:16.58 | rick-nook | You installed optware and can't ssh into the pre? |
| 01:17.51 | coveredwagonkid | correct |
| 01:18.06 | coveredwagonkid | i can ssh out from my pre, but not in |
| 01:18.20 | rick-nook | Ok. |
| 01:18.23 | coveredwagonkid | also, sprint pre 1.4.5 |
| 01:18.37 | rick-nook | Should work |
| 01:18.53 | rick-nook | In pressed install openssh |
| 01:19.05 | rick-nook | In preware |
| 01:19.51 | rick-nook | Have to train this new kb about the words I use |
| 01:19.59 | coveredwagonkid | openssh v5.3.1-5 was installed via preware |
| 01:20.13 | torchie | dhpc server is unlit |
| 01:20.21 | rick-nook | Weird |
| 01:20.31 | coveredwagonkid | and ive got optware bootstrap v1.5.2 installed |
| 01:20.43 | rick-nook | What is the pre's ip? |
| 01:20.44 | torchie | dhcp* |
| 01:21.32 | coveredwagonkid | another thing i noticed was the in upstart manager, mobi.optware.openssh isnt running |
| 01:22.17 | coveredwagonkid | if i try to manually start, it just sits as "pre-start" |
| 01:22.20 | rick-nook | Hmmmm what happens if you run openssh by hand? |
| 01:22.29 | rick-nook | Ok |
| 01:22.55 | coveredwagonkid | i manually try by tapping on it from within upstart manager |
| 01:23.33 | rick-nook | Need rwhitby or destinal or someone else. |
| 01:24.40 | coveredwagonkid | thanks for trying |
| 01:24.50 | rick-nook | Sokay |
| 01:26.31 | rwhitby | novaterm in, start mobi.optware.openssh, check /var/log/messages |
| 01:26.50 | rwhitby | once it's running there ok, use ssh -v on the client to see what's wrong connecting to it |
| 01:28.35 | tmandry | rwhitby: am I correct in understanding that you were involved in the qt port? |
| 01:29.10 | rwhitby | tmandry: not really. I helped package it, but didn't work on the port at all. |
| 01:29.52 | tmandry | rwhitby: ok.. well all the same do you think you could shed some light on what might be going on in this backtrace? |
| 01:29.57 | tmandry | http://webos-internals.pastebin.com/jJj2jkGT |
| 01:30.44 | tmandry | rwhitby: I'm not really sure where all the SDL or main loop stuff comes from, there isn't really any code I can find that does it.. |
| 01:31.01 | tmandry | in qt or the plugin |
| 01:31.25 | tmandry | is this something that all webOS apps have or anything like that? |
| 01:32.12 | rwhitby | dunno |
| 01:32.23 | tmandry | k, IO |
| 01:32.29 | tmandry | I'll just keep looking* :p |
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| 01:42.01 | torchie | lol |
| 01:42.09 | torchie | I like how the changelog advance button has changed to "yeah, yeah, whatever" |
| 01:43.02 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 01:44.46 | tmandry | rwhitby: and all signs point to Qt being broken on current webOS (1.4.5) |
| 01:45.30 | Loudergood | last I heard that was due to the jailing |
| 01:46.19 | torchie | :( |
| 01:46.49 | Loudergood | just build the libs into your application ;) |
| 01:46.51 | tmandry | Loudergood: well, at least with the Qt libs I compiled myself, it's due to a race condition on initialization in Qt (and/or the webos plugin) that causes a segfault |
| 01:47.05 | Loudergood | oh I see |
| 01:47.37 | tmandry | so next.. I have to find out why ;) |
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| 02:08.34 | Tibfib | oil: ping |
| 02:08.40 | oil | hey |
| 02:09.17 | Tibfib | wanna chat preware ui? |
| 02:09.42 | oil | like what? |
| 02:11.04 | Tibfib | well, I think the categories scene could be bypassed in a lot of items |
| 02:11.37 | Tibfib | dang, there's a lot of either or options that you could do |
| 02:12.09 | oil | lol |
| 02:12.50 | halfhalo | Moo |
| 02:13.13 | Tibfib | like the patches one, that should just push to the list, with the drop down arrow usable |
| 02:13.32 | Tibfib | the apps one is a tad tougher because of the feed setting |
| 02:13.42 | destinal | rwhitby: any way to clean out the download manager? I have a preware stuck there I can't get rid of |
| 02:13.49 | destinal | from metadoc |
| 02:14.07 | Tibfib | oil: also, I would appreciate an "all" option for "other" |
| 02:14.34 | Tibfib | oil: and the "other" command menu items should be switched |
| 02:14.50 | Tibfib | or the "apps" command menu items should |
| 02:14.55 | Tibfib | so they are consistent |
| 02:15.08 | Tibfib | installed packages and package updates could be rolled into one |
| 02:15.20 | Tibfib | as well as saved packages list |
| 02:16.02 | oil | did you look at the code? |
| 02:16.14 | Tibfib | just a tad, been looking more at UI stuff |
| 02:16.39 | oil | ah |
| 02:17.00 | Tibfib | tapping the title for apps,patches,other could have a popup to swap between apps/patches/other |
| 02:17.00 | oil | well the saved package list / installed list / updates list / anywhere there is a list of packages, is one scene |
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| 02:17.54 | Tibfib | preware could do a installed packages a la 1.4.5 catalog |
| 02:18.05 | Tibfib | and do updates similarly |
| 02:18.32 | Tibfib | and if you want it as a command menu icon as the main page, you could have a little bubble signifying the amount of updates available |
| 02:18.42 | Tibfib | icon *on the main page |
| 02:20.41 | Tibfib | any thoughts? clarifaction needed? |
| 02:21.02 | oil | it just depends if we want to change the main scene a lot or not |
| 02:21.17 | oil | there was an original design mockup which i designed it from |
| 02:22.24 | Tibfib | do most people turn "show available types" on? |
| 02:22.33 | oil | that was a battle |
| 02:22.34 | oil | lol |
| 02:22.37 | oil | i do |
| 02:22.39 | Tibfib | I always have |
| 02:22.42 | oil | because i liked it the old way |
| 02:23.31 | oil | well, then turned them all on and themes off |
| 02:23.37 | oil | :) |
| 02:24.53 | Tibfib | I would vote for on a revised UI: "Apps, Patches, Other, Everything". then if you want a list item for installed packages, or a command menu items |
| 02:24.56 | Tibfib | item* |
| 02:25.30 | oil | you should whip up some mockups that can be discussed with more of webosinternals :) |
| 02:25.40 | Tibfib | hmm, how ? |
| 02:25.49 | Tibfib | not saying I have no idea, just what would be preferred? |
| 02:25.53 | coveredwagonkid | question: looking at ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ it looks like the packages haven't been updated since jan 6 |
| 02:25.57 | coveredwagonkid | is that normal? |
| 02:26.10 | coveredwagonkid | sorry, for the app cat |
| 02:26.27 | oil | just mock one up in photoshop? |
| 02:26.28 | oil | an image |
| 02:26.59 | Tibfib | heheh, I have terrible photo shop skills, but I'll try |
| 02:27.15 | rick-nook | Rincon draw mockups on paper and photo them |
| 02:27.57 | rick-nook | Tibfib no big deal mockups should be simple |
| 02:28.06 | oil | is looking for originals |
| 02:28.21 | Tibfib | can't draw well either. :) |
| 02:29.00 | oil | http://www.webos-internals.org/images/5/57/OPS_App_Mockup1.png |
| 02:29.09 | rick-nook | Neither can i. Doesn't matter. See preware originals on wiki |
| 02:33.01 | Tibfib | alrighty, mockking it up |
| 02:34.25 | lingfish | ugh.. why does the search in Palm/HP's forums not work, at all, ever. |
| 02:34.44 | lingfish | annoying. |
| 02:36.08 | Tibfib | I'm going to bet it'll be faster for me to code what I want it to look like than mock it up |
| 02:38.31 | Tibfib | oil: btw, you could easily do the count stuff with list formatters, no need to run your loop |
| 02:38.54 | oil | things could certainly be improved :) |
| 02:39.16 | rick-nook | Tibfib just scribble. I can't find those early preware mockups |
| 02:39.38 | Tibfib | no, I'm not kidding, It'll be faster to code it and ss. I'm almost done |
| 02:39.42 | rick-nook | But we just drew on four by six cards |
| 02:40.15 | rick-nook | Kk |
| 02:45.31 | rwhitby | destinal: remove the installHistory.db |
| 02:46.21 | destinal | rwhitby: cool, thanks |
| 02:50.57 | Tibfib | http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/preware_mockup1.png |
| 02:51.10 | Tibfib | a better icon could be used if someone has it |
| 02:51.17 | Tibfib | or it could be another list item |
| 02:52.16 | torchie | what's the shopping bag icon do |
| 02:52.23 | Tibfib | take you to installed packages |
| 02:52.27 | torchie | ah I see |
| 02:52.40 | Tibfib | which would replace the "updates" list item |
| 02:52.51 | torchie | the gift-box icon |
| 02:52.57 | torchie | boom easily understood |
| 02:53.01 | torchie | gift box? updates! |
| 02:53.05 | torchie | or maybe gift box? gifts! |
| 02:53.21 | torchie | given on a user's competency with webos |
| 02:53.21 | Tibfib | well it is more of a list of installed packages, where you get updates too |
| 02:53.49 | Tibfib | you could have a little icon on top of the menu icon to signify available updates, lemme see if I can find a ss |
| 02:54.23 | SineOt | just make it say "Updates" |
| 02:54.24 | Tibfib | huzzah, http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff357/Tibfib/mojo%20messenger/menubarissue.png here's a sample. top right |
| 02:54.25 | Loudergood | presents? |
| 02:54.30 | SineOt | with a number bubble |
| 02:54.41 | Tibfib | that's an ugly screen shot, but you get the number bubble |
| 02:55.01 | Tibfib | SineOt: it isn't for updates by itself. It is exactly like the catalog app list |
| 02:55.06 | Tibfib | installed app list |
| 02:55.31 | torchie | yeah I was thinking |
| 02:55.38 | torchie | updates - applications - everything - other |
| 02:56.09 | Loudergood | heh, the feature I'd like is batch installs...guess I'd better get to work.. |
| 02:56.18 | Tibfib | oil: thoughts? |
| 02:56.22 | Tibfib | rick-nook: thoughts ? |
| 02:56.48 | Tibfib | doing a unified updates/installed packages list would streamline things better |
| 02:57.15 | Loudergood | Tibfib: did you figure out your BBM questions? |
| 02:57.26 | oil | well we split the installed out by category |
| 02:57.32 | Tibfib | oh, not really, but I think I figured it out |
| 02:57.35 | oil | because there is so many different things we install |
| 02:58.17 | oil | and im not sure following palms installed/updates list is the best plan |
| 02:58.17 | Tibfib | oil: well it can be changed easy. It shows list of installed packages by a-z... tap top right drop down to filter between type of item |
| 02:58.28 | oil | how often do you go in there and scroll for a minute to see what needs udpating |
| 02:58.37 | oil | because its at hte bottom |
| 02:58.38 | Tibfib | "Update All" button |
| 02:58.42 | oil | right |
| 02:58.50 | oil | but its hard to see what packages have updates |
| 02:58.58 | oil | when they're mixed in with the 100 other things you have installed |
| 02:59.00 | Tibfib | have the packages with updates at top |
| 02:59.22 | oil | that could work |
| 02:59.26 | Loudergood | oil: I have to agree with you there, I hate that. |
| 02:59.31 | oil | but it would still mean installed packages go back to a flat package list |
| 02:59.34 | Loudergood | floating them to the top is a good idea |
| 02:59.35 | oil | instead of categorized |
| 02:59.45 | Tibfib | oil: do you like it categorized? |
| 02:59.48 | oil | i do |
| 02:59.55 | oil | though i normally have installed as available |
| 02:59.59 | oil | so i type to find it |
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| 03:00.06 | oil | if i want to uninstall something peticular |
| 03:00.09 | Tibfib | well the top right dropdown could have categories |
| 03:00.26 | Tibfib | just like apps and patches |
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| 03:05.31 | Tibfib | any other thoughts? |
| 03:05.58 | oil | im just wondering if we should bother changing whats there before enyo |
| 03:06.04 | oil | which would completely change the interface anyways |
| 03:07.19 | Tibfib | yeah.. I'm not necessarily saying it would have to be now.. just what is hoped for w/ enyo |
| 03:07.25 | Tibfib | hoped/planned |
| 03:09.40 | rwhitby | WebOS 2.0 app catalog what's new page is a step backwards from Preware's List of Everything. |
| 03:10.28 | Tibfib | yep |
| 03:11.10 | Tibfib | rwhitby: do you think I want to go there? if so, I didn't explain very well |
| 03:11.58 | rwhitby | no, just saying that Palm's ideas are not automatically better :) |
| 03:12.09 | Tibfib | no, definitely not. gotta pick and choose :) |
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| 03:15.28 | Tibfib | rwhitby: any other thoughts? |
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| 03:17.50 | rwhitby | my thoughts were to do the "All" on others, and to revamp saved packages. |
| 03:18.14 | rwhitby | everything else needs a longer discussion |
| 03:18.58 | Tibfib | sounds good |
| 03:31.55 | tmandry | guys: what is NApp? |
| 03:32.42 | halfhalo | a nap going to the bathroom? |
| 03:33.09 | tmandry | :| |
| 03:33.55 | tmandry | it seems to be an internal webos lib that handles hardware interfacing and event calls |
| 03:34.13 | tmandry | but I was wondering if anyone had more insight than that |
| 03:35.21 | halfhalo | dunnos. He is attending to more important things. Like slots |
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| 04:04.47 | Tibfib | http://www.webos-internals.org/images/5/57/OPS_App_Mockup1.png when is this from? |
| 04:05.57 | Tibfib | is "The "Pre" in "Preware" does not refer to the Palm Pre, it refers to "before" as far as app testing goes, and is a pun on "Freeware" |
| 04:05.58 | Tibfib | " still true? |
| 04:07.02 | ka6sox | Tibfib, that sounds reasonable :D |
| 04:07.22 | Tibfib | heh, from http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Preware_Design |
| 04:08.48 | rick-nook | Still true. Evenmoreso now |
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| 04:20.53 | coveredwagonkid | rwhitby: i found some more info about my openssh issues |
| 04:22.34 | coveredwagonkid | rwhitby: when i try to start the mobi.optware.openssh service, it looks like it opens and closes itself |
| 04:23.02 | coveredwagonkid | rwhitby: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B6mJ_KaEM1PYMzk2YTk2MDgtY2VhNC00ZDQ4LThhZjEtZTJjOWM4ZTgxY2Mz&sort=name&layout=list&num=50 |
| 04:28.04 | destinal | Tibfib: heh, there may be more than a coincidence behind the pre in preware, but "pre" as in before makes it a lot more universally applicable than just to Pre |
| 04:29.01 | Tibfib | interesting |
| 04:29.42 | SineOt | and sounds better than Pixiware |
| 04:30.17 | destinal | Tibfib: especially since we're likely to have a bunch of other devices that won't have pre in their names that should be supported on preware as well |
| 04:32.17 | halfhalo | other devices are shiny |
| 04:46.30 | tmandry | woot |
| 04:46.35 | tmandry | Qt fixed! |
| 04:50.05 | coveredwagonkid | can anyone weigh in on why the openssh service would hit the respawn limit? |
| 04:52.44 | destinal | coveredwagonkid: because it's dying when it starts? |
| 04:53.24 | destinal | that will make it respawn over and over until upstart stops trying to start it. or do you mean more, why does it die on startup? |
| 04:54.12 | coveredwagonkid | destinal: why would it continually die on startup? |
| 04:54.42 | destinal | coveredwagonkid: I don't know why yours is doing that. I suggest you try running openssh by hand, not through upstart, and look for errors |
| 04:54.46 | destinal | also check the log files |
| 04:55.14 | ka6sox | isn't preware what you put on before your clothes? |
| 04:55.26 | destinal | ka6sox: lol |
| 04:58.35 | coveredwagonkid | destinal: i have tried to start the service manually |
| 04:59.01 | coveredwagonkid | destinal: i posted a link a little while to a lumberjack log export |
| 04:59.32 | destinal | coveredwagonkid: try pastebin rather than google docs |
| 04:59.49 | destinal | easier |
| 05:00.12 | coveredwagonkid | destinal: google docs is just something i already had. will do on the pastebin |
| 05:00.23 | destinal | it's easier for us to read too |
| 05:01.09 | coveredwagonkid | destinal: the google docs is just a txt file, so formatting shouldnt be an issue |
| 05:01.27 | coveredwagonkid | destinal: i didnt have google auto convert it |
| 05:02.03 | destinal | coveredwagonkid: cool, well yeah when you get a pastebin up let me know :) |
| 05:02.56 | coveredwagonkid | destinal: http://pastebin.com/HiktDiaA |
| 05:03.32 | destinal | coveredwagonkid: eh, nothing really useful in all that |
| 05:03.44 | destinal | coveredwagonkid: try running sshd by hand |
| 05:03.47 | destinal | not the service |
| 05:04.21 | coveredwagonkid | destinal: rwhitby suggested looking at /var/log/messages but im still parsing it... |
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| 05:04.41 | destinal | coveredwagonkid: yeah, grep ssh /var/log/messages would be useful; |
| 05:04.55 | ka6sox | coveredwagonkid, the issue with googledocs is that it disappears...(like it did for me) |
| 05:04.58 | ka6sox | poof |
| 05:06.41 | coveredwagonkid | http://pastebin.com/a2tNmiCj |
| 05:06.57 | coveredwagonkid | thats the full dump from /var/log/messages |
| 05:07.15 | coveredwagonkid | its from a few hours ago |
| 05:07.39 | coveredwagonkid | i can pull a more recent one if that would help |
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| 05:10.26 | destinal | coveredwagonkid: nah, not seeing anything useful there either. just try running sshd by hand |
| 05:10.47 | destinal | maybe it'll spit something out on stderr |
| 05:12.39 | coveredwagonkid | destinal: at the moment, i dont believe i have any other rsa keys loaded on this thing |
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| 05:13.42 | destinal | coveredwagonkid: not sure how that's relevant though |
| 05:14.53 | coveredwagonkid | destinal: if i tried to use my pre as a client, wont it throw a fit if i dont have an auth key established with the server? |
| 05:15.31 | destinal | coveredwagonkid: not saying to do anything like that. just try running the ssh daemon binary from whatever shell you're doing all this stuff in |
| 05:15.47 | destinal | so you can see what errors it outputs when it crashes and burns |
| 05:15.56 | coveredwagonkid | regardless, "ssh -v" doesnt yield anything bad |
| 05:16.07 | destinal | not the ssh client, the ssh server / daemon |
| 05:16.38 | destinal | sshd |
| 05:16.38 | coveredwagonkid | destinal: my bad, ive probably been looking at those logs too much |
| 05:17.24 | destinal | coveredwagonkid: in /etc/event.d find the mobi.optware.openssh or whatever the name of the service is and read that configuration file to find out what command it runs to start the server binary |
| 05:17.33 | destinal | then run that by hand on the command line yourself |
| 05:18.11 | destinal | this way you can actually see the errors which you can't when it's running as a service through upstart |
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| 05:30.47 | coveredwagonkid | destinal: running the exec line from the conf file just results in nothing |
| 05:31.23 | coveredwagonkid | destinal: idle cursor without prompt |
| 05:32.00 | destinal | coveredwagonkid: that'll mean it's running in the foreground |
| 05:32.43 | coveredwagonkid | hmmm |
| 05:32.46 | destinal | as opposed to crashing |
| 05:32.48 | destinal | interesting |
| 05:35.02 | coveredwagonkid | would having the pre in dev mode affect how openssh would act? |
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| 05:42.49 | coveredwagonkid | while i wait for my pre to restart again, i have another potenitally stupid question |
| 05:44.31 | coveredwagonkid | how often does ipkg.preware.org/feeds/ update the palm app catalog package list? |
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| 13:36.42 | ZehHa | coverdwagonkid: Got your problm |
| 13:36.56 | ZehHa | problems solved? |
| 13:38.03 | ZehHa | Anyone knows why precentral.net is down? |
| 13:39.58 | rwhitby | ZehHa: seems fine here |
| 13:42.07 | ZehHa | rwhitby: OK, then maybe it's a problem with my companys internet access. |
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| 13:43.40 | ZehHa | rwhitby: Albeit all the other sites are loading fine. |
| 13:46.24 | ZehHa | rwhitby: BTW - many, many thanks for all your efforts for webos! |
| 13:46.31 | rwhitby | yw |
| 13:52.40 | ZehHa | rwhitby: Yes, just opened the precentral site on my pre via mobile data connection; all is fine. Maybe my company's IT team blacklisted precentral.net... |
| 13:53.20 | Loudergood | too much traffic going there ;) |
| 13:55.51 | ZehHa | Yeah... And all from my working place... ;-) |
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| 14:00.17 | ZehHa | I would like to run OpenCPN on my Pre. But this needs full OpenGL (not only OpenGL-ES), wxWidgets, and gtk. Any chance to get it built on the Pre? |
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| 15:41.58 | ZehHa | Magically precentral.net is working again here in DE. :-D |
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| 17:08.46 | lumines | im trying to set up ssh on my pixi but i dont know which username is right. ive never set a password for root or any other user. |
| 17:08.54 | lumines | thw wiki says > From a remote system SSH to your Pre using //your// username |
| 17:09.12 | lumines | which is //my// username? D: |
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| 17:26.40 | lumines | ok, telnet works |
| 17:26.57 | lumines | but i cant change the password with passwd |
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| 17:28.08 | lumines | hm :/ |
| 17:59.48 | fudge_ | Could the pre2's os be ported over to the pixi regardless of hardware differences? |
| 18:01.14 | bpadalino | fudge_: can you clarify what you're asking ? |
| 18:02.56 | fudge_ | could webos 2.0 be ported over to the pix |
| 18:02.59 | fudge_ | pixi* |
| 18:03.56 | halfhalo | why would you.... |
| 18:04.05 | bpadalino | you mean from the webos doctors, or from the webos source? |
| 18:04.13 | fudge_ | webos doctors |
| 18:04.15 | halfhalo | palm is releasing it for the pixi themselves evetually |
| 18:04.27 | bpadalino | no |
| 18:04.38 | fudge_ | halfhalo: any specified date? |
| 18:04.48 | fudge_ | what about from the source bpadalino |
| 18:04.58 | bpadalino | mark your calendar for feb 9th and wait for the webos event from hp |
| 18:05.00 | halfhalo | what source |
| 18:05.12 | bpadalino | fudge_: from hp's internal source, i am sure it's significantly easier |
| 18:05.21 | fudge_ | oh ok |
| 18:05.51 | fudge_ | anyone here has a pixi btw? |
| 18:05.57 | bpadalino | lots of people |
| 18:05.58 | halfhalo | heh... getting som androd tablets |
| 18:06.00 | fudge_ | lol |
| 18:06.08 | bpadalino | i believe it's the preferred form factor for some people as well |
| 18:06.31 | fudge_ | anyone getting the buggy touch screen after they install overclock |
| 18:06.50 | fudge_ | i noticed when the phone gets hot, the screen fails to function till it cools back down |
| 18:06.56 | bpadalino | whoops |
| 18:07.10 | Loudergood | you may want to set your overclock lower |
| 18:07.24 | Loudergood | my pre doesn't really like 1GHz |
| 18:07.35 | fudge_ | lol |
| 18:07.39 | halfhalo | review units ftw |
| 18:07.57 | fudge_ | i play nfsu a lot, i need the highest clock |
| 18:08.26 | fudge_ | sometimes i take off the back cover to keep it cool |
| 18:08.31 | halfhalo | well, since your pixi can't take it... |
| 18:08.42 | bpadalino | strap an ice pack to it |
| 18:08.46 | fudge_ | lol |
| 18:08.59 | halfhalo | I like that plan |
| 18:09.03 | Loudergood | a little dry ice wont hurt it any |
| 18:09.17 | Loudergood | might even be able to push it higher |
| 18:09.29 | fudge_ | Loudergood: whats the highest temp your pre had |
| 18:10.03 | Loudergood | I actually don't know |
| 18:10.05 | fudge_ | i get as high as 120f with mobile hotspot and nfsu running |
| 18:10.06 | fudge_ | oh |
| 18:10.15 | Loudergood | I set it to 800mhz and never looked back |
| 18:10.16 | halfhalo | wow |
| 18:10.19 | halfhalo | umm |
| 18:10.29 | halfhalo | 120f Is a tad high |
| 18:10.49 | fudge_ | yea i know. feels like its gonna cetch fire |
| 18:11.06 | fudge_ | but i could care less. im due for an upgrade anyway |
| 18:11.08 | Loudergood | that's not a bad temp for a desktop CPU, but a mobile one... |
| 18:11.12 | fudge_ | lol |
| 18:11.21 | bpadalino | the part is probably only rated to +45C .. so .. you may want to not do that |
| 18:11.22 | Loudergood | I wonder if you could make it catch fire.. |
| 18:11.39 | bpadalino | you'd reflow the solder balls before you have it catch fire |
| 18:11.55 | Loudergood | that's true |
| 18:12.05 | Loudergood | unless they cause a short which starts a fire ;) |
| 18:12.19 | halfhalo | or it was in gas |
| 18:12.24 | halfhalo | with a short |
| 18:12.24 | Loudergood | lol |
| 18:12.31 | fudge_ | lol |
| 18:12.43 | Loudergood | yes, if we pour gasoline on it that would make it easier |
| 18:12.43 | bpadalino | the battery getting hot would probably be the thing to explode .. |
| 18:12.45 | halfhalo | home time soon finally |
| 18:12.55 | bpadalino | those lion's do nasty things when they burst |
| 18:13.19 | halfhalo | and soon demo archos units |
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| 18:13.54 | fudge_ | http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh274/RobertR_93/photos-temp-0jpg-22.jpg?t=1294596821 |
| 18:14.06 | halfhalo | for... review. yes. review. let's go with that |
| 18:14.39 | fudge_ | 124f just sitting there charging |
| 18:15.43 | fudge_ | is there any way to get the pixi to run faster without OC'ing |
| 18:17.28 | bpadalino | more exercise |
| 18:17.45 | fudge_ | lol |
| 18:18.11 | fudge_ | is there a channel for beta testing a kernel/patch |
| 18:18.22 | fudge_ | i have a second pixi thats just sitting here collecting dust |
| 18:19.28 | halfhalo | this is that channel |
| 18:19.34 | halfhalo | OF DOOM |
| 18:20.20 | fudge_ | lol |
| 18:20.40 | fudge_ | anything i could test as of right now |
| 18:21.38 | halfhalo | dunno |
| 18:21.46 | fudge_ | ok |
| 18:22.09 | halfhalo | is on a bus going back to hotel to get car and drive home |
| 18:22.30 | fudge_ | using wirc? |
| 18:22.37 | halfhalo | no |
| 18:22.55 | halfhalo | I type in binary using telnet |
| 18:23.25 | fudge_ | i c |
| 18:24.08 | halfhalo | has an android phone |
| 18:26.41 | halfhalo | even in the middle of overpriced vegas, gas is still cheaper tan socal |
| 18:27.39 | fudge_ | halfhalo: what brand/model is your andriod |
| 18:28.22 | halfhalo | current one is epic 4g |
| 18:28.37 | fudge_ | oh |
| 18:28.43 | halfhalo | has many |
| 18:28.50 | fudge_ | lol do you have the intercept |
| 18:29.04 | halfhalo | maybe |
| 18:29.21 | halfhalo | gets free swag^H^Hdemo units |
| 18:29.30 | fudge_ | nice |
| 18:29.51 | fudge_ | i was gonna go for the intercept until i read it has a crazy resolution |
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| 20:30.40 | tmandry | rwhitby: ok so Qt wasn't working (programs would segfault), I patched it and it works now. can I give you the patch? or I have it set up to compile in WIDK, I can give you that |
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| 20:52.04 | fudge_ | any word yet for a flashlight on the pixi |
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| 21:40.53 | rwhitby | tmandry: please check the packages into the WIDK |
| 22:01.53 | tmandry | rwhitby: ok. I can keep it in nonworking/ if you want since it's big and takes a long time to fetch |
| 22:03.47 | tmandry | of course that hasn't really been an issue in the past :p |
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| 22:13.36 | rwhitby | tmandry: put it under dev-qt - we'll need to make the default target not build everything, and this is a good trigger. |
| 22:13.41 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 22:16.46 | Shaikh | msg/ destinal Hey! I saw the WebOS 2.0 on the pre plus! Is that just a developer or did your plan work out as you wanted it to? haha |
| 22:16.56 | Shaikh | hehe |
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| 22:17.02 | Shaikh | oops |
| 22:18.38 | destinal | Shaikh: I think that was someone with a pirated copy of an early access software |
| 22:19.03 | destinal | or a legitimate copy, even |
| 22:19.10 | destinal | don't know where you saw it so not sure |
| 22:19.17 | Shaikh | on precentral |
| 22:19.32 | Shaikh | http://www.precentral.net/webos-2-0-poses-video-pre-plus |
| 22:20.06 | Shaikh | ahh well then I guess it wasnt your doing. |
| 22:20.23 | Shaikh | How is your research coming along? |
| 22:20.26 | destinal | Shaikh: nah, if I get something working, it'll be everywhere :) |
| 22:20.51 | Shaikh | awesome :) |
| 22:21.47 | destinal | I keep pointing out that it may not be possible in the short term though since we may be missing files for castle where roadrunner versions won't work and that we can't easily create |
| 22:22.09 | destinal | I'm experimenting but still hitting the SGX graphics core issues |
| 22:22.11 | SineOt | I thought that was already known, destinal |
| 22:22.28 | SineOt | can't remember who but someone basically narrowed it down to the binaries for the video drivers I thought |
| 22:22.42 | destinal | SineOt: me and egaudet and a couple other folks |
| 22:22.43 | Shaikh | it is known! and I have been told. But I saw that article on precentral and thought maybe it had been fixed. |
| 22:23.01 | destinal | SineOt: that doesn't mean I've given up entirely |
| 22:25.16 | destinal | SineOt: when we were running into issues and supposedly palm was releasing 2.0 for one of the carriers on pre in December I figured it wasn't that long to wait. now from what we're hearing, we have no idea how long and it may be quite a while |
| 22:28.58 | SineOt | I think we'll hear something at the event in Feb, but if it's an Oprah moment "GO DOWNLOAD IT NOW!!!" or a "few more weeks" thing IDK |
| 22:29.58 | destinal | I suspect we'll get dates for webos 2.0 on castle at the event along with announcements for new tablets and phones there also but I doubt it will be a Steve Jobs "in the online store TODAY" |
| 22:30.30 | SineOt | I wonder if Sprint still needs to approve updates, even if they've EOL'd the device. |
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| 22:31.01 | destinal | SineOt: EOL in this context is just end of new sales, not end of support |
| 22:31.41 | destinal | support, new versions etc will continue with Sprint as it has before I imagine |
| 22:32.34 | SineOt | Yeah, but can you honestly say that an EOL'd device with a new update will be very high on their priority list to get through, when they know that the platform won't be adding any new users and dwindling as people upgrade? :p |
| 22:32.51 | SineOt | Sounds like something just asking for a 4 month delay from submission to OTA |
| 22:33.12 | destinal | I doubt they'll lag behind that much, they still want to keep their customers happy |
| 22:33.49 | destinal | so they get their new phone on sprint, not switch to another carrier etc |
| 22:34.32 | destinal | plus Pixi is still being sold, and who knows if one of these new phones is headed to Sprint.. |
| 22:42.32 | SineOt | True. |
| 22:42.57 | SineOt | But even then, the Pixi update would be a whole 'nother beast compared to the Pre one, especially on Sprint. No Wifi! |
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| 23:04.40 | tmandry | rwhitby: done |
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| 23:47.17 | fudge_ | can someone explain to me how webos doctor knows which phone (pixi/pre) is connected to the pc? |
| 23:47.35 | fudge_ | iirc, it reads a xml file |
| 23:47.48 | fudge_ | or token |
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| 23:48.39 | rwhitby | it reads the tokens from the device |
| 23:48.46 | fudge_ | ok |
| 23:49.41 | fudge_ | just a theory; if i were to change a token value from a pixi to the value of a pre, would i technically be able to install webos for pre on a pixi? |
| 23:49.50 | halfhalo | is home finally |
| 23:50.04 | rwhitby | fudge_: yes, but it would not boot |
| 23:50.15 | fudge_ | yeah, hardware and so on |
| 23:50.20 | fudge_ | just wondering :P |
| 23:50.43 | rwhitby | just the small thing that the kernels are completely different |
| 23:52.00 | fudge_ | i see |
| 23:52.52 | fudge_ | could one possibly edit the kernel |
| 23:53.08 | fudge_ | modify it to pixi's specs, etc.. |
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| 23:56.10 | rwhitby | well, you'd use the pixi kernel instead |
