| 00:00.01 | m-h-k | Or such that an app catalog only shows you stuff you can install on your version of webOS |
| 00:00.21 | m-h-k | well I mean does their IPK only contain the service and not the app? |
| 00:00.40 | Error454 | theirs has both |
| 00:01.01 | m-h-k | Hm. Maybe Ipk Packager cannot build those. |
| 00:01.12 | Error454 | it's a web of complication, obfuscation and tears |
| 00:01.35 | m-h-k | no tears please. Frustration I can take and have lived with for quite some while, but not tears? |
| 00:01.54 | Error454 | I'll kick the tires more tomorrow and once I figure it out I'll wiki it |
| 00:02.05 | Error454 | Thanks for your effort, appreciated |
| 00:02.06 | m-h-k | Heh, cool thanks. |
| 00:02.10 | m-h-k | np |
| 00:02.14 | m-h-k | I don't really know these things :) |
| 00:02.21 | Error454 | that makes 2 of us |
| 00:02.44 | m-h-k | heck I have never gotten so far as acutally writing any webOS code |
| 00:03.11 | rwhitby | Error454: http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=blob;f=support/package.mk is how we package apps in WebOS Internals |
| 00:04.06 | rwhitby | in particular, we use ipkg-build from http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/build.git;a=tree;f=toolchain/ipkg-utils |
| 00:04.38 | m-h-k | hope he reads the log later |
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| 00:08.36 | fudge_ | is it safe to leave the filesystem open (read/write permissions)? |
| 00:08.51 | fudge_ | if i put it as read-only, i cant install any apps/patches |
| 00:11.40 | rwhitby | you're doing it wrong then. Preware makes it read-write as required. |
| 00:13.30 | fudge_ | yeah i figured lol |
| 00:13.44 | fudge_ | can i install pakages with special parameters |
| 00:13.59 | fudge_ | with preware* |
| 00:14.07 | rwhitby | there are no such things |
| 00:14.20 | fudge_ | like with "-force-depends |
| 00:14.23 | fudge_ | i see |
| 00:14.57 | summatus1entis | fudge_: what type of package management system are you coming from? |
| 00:15.00 | rwhitby | ok, now I see what you are doing (installing carrier applications into the root filesystem, not normal apps) |
| 00:15.08 | fudge_ | yeah |
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| 00:15.20 | rwhitby | well, it might have been a good idea to state that up front, no? |
| 00:15.22 | summatus1entis | ignore me then |
| 00:15.25 | fudge_ | :3 |
| 00:15.31 | fudge_ | lol sorry summatus1entis :P |
| 00:15.39 | summatus1entis | no, no worries |
| 00:15.39 | fudge_ | sorry im bad at explaining |
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| 00:16.07 | rwhitby | the only way to install such carrier app packages is on the linux command line on the device. |
| 00:16.17 | fudge_ | so get terminal app? |
| 00:16.22 | rwhitby | novaterm |
| 00:16.40 | fudge_ | ok |
| 00:17.05 | rwhitby | presumably the instructions you are following already state this? |
| 00:18.43 | fudge_ | says to use novacom (which is what im using) but i get "Filesystem is read-only" error |
| 00:21.46 | Loudergood | is it readonly? |
| 00:22.43 | m-h-k | hm, actually, if I mount -o remount,rw / will this be remembered across reboots? |
| 00:25.08 | destinal | m-h-k: no |
| 00:25.24 | fudge_ | sorry |
| 00:25.29 | fudge_ | was afk |
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| 00:25.57 | fudge_ | whats the default state of the filesystem |
| 00:25.58 | m-h-k | destinal: ok, good, no unexpected magic |
| 00:26.40 | destinal | m-h-k: default state either comes from the fstab or /etc/init. not sure which offhand for / |
| 00:27.29 | rwhitby | rootfs_open has a number of arguments, and it's a readable script. |
| 00:29.33 | fudge_ | heh got it working :D |
| 00:30.12 | fudge_ | used an older version of WOSQI for the Linux Commandline option and it just worked |
| 00:30.54 | fudge_ | used the exact same line in novaterm and was bombarded by errors about filesystem being readonly |
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| 00:35.06 | rwhitby | any instructions should already say to use rootfs_open -t to temporarily make the rootfs read-write |
| 00:35.33 | rwhitby | note that the wosqi command line fails for multi-line output. |
| 00:35.46 | rwhitby | I would not recommend using it for anything significant. |
| 00:36.02 | rwhitby | Novaterm is the official Palm SDK utility for accessing the Linux command line. |
| 00:36.42 | rwhitby | it is also guaranteed to work for any future webOS device or OS version |
| 00:39.34 | oil | only uses novaterm to setup ssh |
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| 01:04.22 | NuttyBunny | Hi |
| 01:08.26 | RagingMind | hi NuttyBunny |
| 01:11.05 | plem | I have been watching the HP wrap videos from MWC and the demo video of WebOS by Sachin Kansal is amazing. It is really cool to see a demo that actually shows the power of the TouchPad and WebOS 3. |
| 01:18.30 | fudge_ | Whats the safest kernel right now for 2.1? |
| 01:19.06 | rwhitby | fudge_: the palm stock kernel. all others are in the testing feed, therefore not "safe" |
| 01:19.51 | fudge_ | ok |
| 01:25.33 | m-h-k | speaking of "safe" kernels... rod: I am glad you were able to see the camera/screenstate issue yourself |
| 01:25.52 | m-h-k | (which just proves the point of "testing") |
| 01:31.26 | fudge_ | im just gonna stay under 700mhz, 2.1 is plenty fast enough on 500mhz |
| 01:31.46 | m-h-k | is it? ;) |
| 01:31.55 | fudge_ | lol for me :P |
| 01:32.12 | m-h-k | I like to push the edge a little. |
| 01:32.51 | m-h-k | First time I ran it it felt horrible against my tuned 1.4.5 pre |
| 01:33.01 | fudge_ | 2.1? |
| 01:33.05 | webfellow | i've finally found time to test the new sprint-pre metadoctor (i know, i'm late :P) ... have we found any major bugs with it being on the pre? |
| 01:33.06 | m-h-k | yeah |
| 01:33.09 | fudge_ | lol |
| 01:33.20 | fudge_ | i was blown away with 2.1's performance |
| 01:33.45 | fudge_ | what kernel do yuo use m-h-k? |
| 01:33.49 | m-h-k | well it's not bad, but a 800 MHz 1.4.5 pre beats it. |
| 01:34.28 | m-h-k | Right now I am using uberkernel-11. There are some issues with it though. If you use the screenstate governor, the camera might not work. |
| 01:34.46 | fudge_ | i oc'd the pre to 1ghz on 1.4.5. fastest phone i've used yet. i was tempted to try the stealth kernel, but didnt want to end up with a molten pre |
| 01:35.13 | m-h-k | yeah both my Pre- run 1 GHz too but it just sucks so much battery |
| 01:35.36 | m-h-k | so I run screenstate 500/800 on my regular 1.4.5 pre |
| 01:35.36 | fudge_ | another good point :3 |
| 01:35.50 | webfellow | ah yeah, i was just reading that ... i'm amazed it's working at all; and props to all involved for getting it functional so quickly. |
| 01:36.02 | fudge_ | indeed |
| 01:36.19 | fudge_ | what are the consequences for increasing compcache limit |
| 01:36.25 | m-h-k | yeah *bows to woi* |
| 01:36.36 | webfellow | my 1.4.5 pre- runs 1ghz and loses about 2-3%/hr when idle, i'm happy with that. |
| 01:36.41 | m-h-k | well one of the consequences is that you have more compcache |
| 01:36.54 | m-h-k | webfellow: mine is seldom idle ;) |
| 01:37.10 | webfellow | haha well mine's only idle when working and sleeping :) |
| 01:37.34 | webfellow | but signal at work is bout 40%, so battery drains regardless if i don't leave it plugged in. |
| 01:37.41 | m-h-k | sleep, yeah, well it's on the touchstone then. don't care how much juice it draws when I am sleeping ;) |
| 01:38.22 | fudge_ | oh yeah, now i can see the difference with overclocking :D |
| 01:38.28 | m-h-k | and the other touchstone is at my desk.. I guess it really only has to survive the commute, and meetings ;) |
| 01:38.48 | rwhitby | touchstone in car fixes the commute |
| 01:38.49 | m-h-k | fudge: see.. told ya ;) |
| 01:39.15 | fudge_ | yeah, everything is jsut soo... smooth |
| 01:39.16 | webfellow | i'll gladly take a 1ghz oc and be forced to keep it charged any day. |
| 01:39.17 | rwhitby | they should put them in public transport and meeting rooms too |
| 01:39.33 | webfellow | rwhitby: agreed! |
| 01:39.37 | m-h-k | rwhitby: true, I have to fiddle with the cable there (car)... but frankly, my commute is often by public transport, and I have yet to see touchstones in our busses and subway ;) |
| 01:39.53 | m-h-k | haha think alike |
| 01:40.05 | webfellow | i am really hoping for the Pre3 soon, definitely looking fwd to the hardware upgrade. |
| 01:40.33 | m-h-k | but truely, a mobile phone should survive a few hours without charging |
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| 01:40.52 | m-h-k | wonders if the Pre3 will finally have a larger battery. |
| 01:41.03 | halfhalo | yup |
| 01:41.14 | webfellow | poor pre- is developing a crack from usb port ... i swear i've been hit by every single hardware issue over the 5 replacements i've had. too bad i love this phone haha. |
| 01:41.14 | m-h-k | larger screen = more power |
| 01:41.28 | halfhalo | dunno what the numbers are but its public info |
| 01:41.37 | Tibfib | yeah battery is larger |
| 01:42.15 | m-h-k | professional power workhorse needs juice for a whole day |
| 01:42.20 | Tibfib | sigh. not much more: 1230 mAh |
| 01:42.28 | Tibfib | http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre3/index.html |
| 01:42.36 | m-h-k | oh, that's not too exciting |
| 01:42.48 | Tibfib | isn't worried |
| 01:43.08 | Tibfib | the battery life on my pre2 has been good |
| 01:43.32 | rwhitby | wishes the battery would have been the same size and form factor as the other 10 Pre/Pre2 batteries he has already |
| 01:43.53 | Tibfib | ah yeah |
| 01:44.10 | rwhitby | that little pocket in jeans on the hip is just the perfect size for a spare Pre battery |
| 01:44.19 | m-h-k | as long as the touchstone fits... I am ok with it |
| 01:44.30 | webfellow | rwhitby: nice, i just tried that, i've been missing out. |
| 01:44.50 | Tibfib | rwhitby: that's tweet worthy :) |
| 01:45.01 | m-h-k | heh |
| 01:45.05 | plem | yes, don't keep that quiet. :) |
| 01:45.10 | Tibfib | or precentral tip of the day |
| 01:45.17 | rwhitby | what's tweet worthy? |
| 01:45.27 | Tibfib | "that little pocket in jeans on the hip is just the perfect size for a spare Pre battery" ;) |
| 01:45.46 | rwhitby | oh, doesn't everyone do that already? |
| 01:45.52 | Tibfib | nope |
| 01:46.03 | plem | never thought of it |
| 01:46.07 | m-h-k | I've always wondered what that pocket is good for :P |
| 01:46.10 | Tibfib | lol |
| 01:46.24 | plem | small flash drives fit there too |
| 01:46.25 | halfhalo | doesnt carry a spare battery with him normally |
| 01:46.27 | m-h-k | can't believe it took Palm so long to invent the battery that goes with it |
| 01:47.08 | m-h-k | true, I've used it for usb flash drives |
| 01:47.17 | plem | wonders if Palm and Levi's had a secret deal |
| 01:47.22 | webfellow | i used to keep change in that pocket ... but it's gone empty for years now :) |
| 01:47.25 | m-h-k | the spare battery went into a little pocket in my phone pouch |
| 01:47.59 | m-h-k | I just don't like swapping the battery on the Pre. Takes so long to reboot... |
| 01:48.17 | m-h-k | rather recharge whenever possible. |
| 01:48.50 | plem | does the phone boot faster now that node.js replaces java services/ |
| 01:49.05 | rwhitby | it does |
| 01:49.08 | Tibfib | pre2 boots MUCH faster |
| 01:49.16 | plem | nice! |
| 01:49.22 | Tibfib | no longer noticeably slow |
| 01:49.28 | m-h-k | yeah actually even the Pre- boots faster with 2.1 |
| 01:50.12 | plem | can't wait for the Pre3 but it will be bitter sweet leaving my Pre- |
| 01:50.23 | webfellow | rwhitby: any further things to test with doctoring sprint pre- before i do mine? |
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| 01:50.52 | af12093487 | hello? |
| 01:50.56 | rwhitby | webfellow: if you rely on Sprint Nav or PRL updates, forget it. |
| 01:52.13 | webfellow | yeah i was reading that ... although i'm EAS so i might try to get Nav to work... regarding PRL, does that mean i can't roam at all, or it just can't check for updates to roaming? |
| 01:52.37 | rwhitby | dunno, I live in a country which has no CDMA networks |
| 01:52.41 | webfellow | gotcha :) |
| 01:52.46 | af12093487 | could anyone explain what preware IS? |
| 01:52.50 | webfellow | i figured you wouldn't have first-hand on that. |
| 01:53.09 | Tibfib | ~preware |
| 01:53.09 | infobot | preware is probably the universal package installer for webOS, see the Preware Homebrew Documentation app in the official app catalog for installation instructions. |
| 01:53.26 | rwhitby | nice |
| 01:54.10 | af12093487 | more what im asking is, what would be the benefits? |
| 01:54.18 | webfellow | rwhitby: well if you don't have any specific things to test for it, i'll kick it off here in a bit when i finish confirming my backup |
| 01:54.35 | rwhitby | af12093487: do you have a webOS device with app catalog access? |
| 01:54.43 | Tibfib | af12093487: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware |
| 01:54.43 | af12093487 | is it all explained on there? |
| 01:54.46 | af12093487 | ill go get it then |
| 01:54.47 | af12093487 | :P |
| 01:54.59 | Tibfib | but the homebrew documentation app is better |
| 01:55.48 | webfellow | oh and since i've been out of it for a few weeks, any progress/thoughts/research into modifying the launcher icons binary? |
| 01:57.27 | af12093487 | will this remove my contact data and such? |
| 01:57.51 | webfellow | installing preware? no. |
| 01:58.37 | af12093487 | well then off i go |
| 01:58.54 | plem | have fun! |
| 01:59.14 | af12093487 | ill bookmark this page :D |
| 02:00.04 | Loudergood | yeah modding the software on a webos phone is much easier than randomly loading roms until you find one you like on android |
| 02:00.20 | af12093487 | is webos 2.0 available from the dev. program? |
| 02:00.26 | Loudergood | still has an issue with even calling them roms |
| 02:00.40 | m-h-k | ok comparing boot times now, 1.4.5 vs. 2.1.0 on Pre- |
| 02:01.37 | rwhitby | yeah, there are no ROMs on most mobile devices. |
| 02:02.29 | Loudergood | talk about totally missing what the acronym stands for |
| 02:02.34 | rwhitby | (apart from the very very tiny one inside the OMAP processor which cannot be changed without decapping a chip and using an ion beam ...) |
| 02:03.23 | m-h-k | 2.1.0 booted |
| 02:06.07 | m-h-k | 1.4.5 booted |
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| 02:06.27 | webfellow | so, 50% faster? |
| 02:06.44 | m-h-k | calculating... mom |
| 02:08.01 | m-h-k | 2.1.0 boots in 45% of the time that 1.4.5 boots here. 2m15s vs. 5m5s |
| 02:08.16 | af12093487 | on which phone? |
| 02:08.25 | m-h-k | but I must admit there are a few more apps on my 1.4.5 phone. Both are Pre-. |
| 02:08.31 | webfellow | very nice. maybe one day we'll have the near instant-on ability of new computers :) |
| 02:08.55 | af12093487 | yeah, i just rebooted my pre...1.4.5..and it only took about 3 mins. |
| 02:09.00 | Loudergood | heh, i'd love to see some faster storage on the phone |
| 02:09.30 | Loudergood | flash chips can be very fast...my laptop boots almost as quickly as it resumes |
| 02:09.30 | m-h-k | I am actually not sure why mine takes so long to boot. |
| 02:09.52 | Loudergood | I'm sure part of it is kernel 2.6.24 |
| 02:10.17 | m-h-k | Loudergood: you man part of the reason why 2.1.0 boots faster? |
| 02:10.22 | m-h-k | s/man/mean |
| 02:10.30 | Loudergood | nope not at all actually |
| 02:10.45 | Loudergood | because I'm pretty sure they have the same kernel still |
| 02:11.05 | m-h-k | what are you referring too then? |
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| 02:11.28 | Loudergood | just why it takes so long to boot overall |
| 02:11.33 | m-h-k | oh |
| 02:11.37 | af12093487 | ...is requesting to run a postinst. allow? |
| 02:11.55 | Loudergood | what, preware? |
| 02:12.00 | af12093487 | yeah |
| 02:12.05 | af12093487 | allow? |
| 02:12.07 | Loudergood | yeah |
| 02:12.14 | m-h-k | since when is it asking? |
| 02:12.16 | af12093487 | thanks |
| 02:13.02 | rwhitby | af12093487: what version of Preware are you running? |
| 02:13.03 | m-h-k | cannot remember ever having to allow postinst scripts. |
| 02:13.14 | af12093487 | i just downloaded it |
| 02:13.26 | af12093487 | off of quick install |
| 02:13.30 | af12093487 | soooo lemme see |
| 02:13.30 | webfellow | m-h-k: yep, version <1 i think |
| 02:13.32 | rwhitby | af12093487: I suspect you are not following the instructions in the Preware Homebrew Documentation app ... |
| 02:13.52 | webfellow | ie, it's been a while. |
| 02:14.10 | af12093487 | that would be because i am using the wiki! |
| 02:14.11 | rwhitby | af12093487: is preware asking you that questions, or is webos quick install asking you that question? |
| 02:14.20 | af12093487 | webos quick install |
| 02:14.26 | af12093487 | phone just restarted |
| 02:14.28 | rwhitby | ah, answer yes. |
| 02:14.28 | af12093487 | checking |
| 02:14.33 | webfellow | oh. |
| 02:14.40 | af12093487 | preware is successful |
| 02:15.00 | m-h-k | ah, that explains. I usually just novaterm in and wget/run the bootstrap script |
| 02:15.02 | rwhitby | af12093487: that should be the last time you need to use webos quick install - you can do everything on-device using preware now |
| 02:15.22 | af12093487 | i thought it seemed so |
| 02:15.23 | rwhitby | uses palm-install |
| 02:15.28 | af12093487 | thanks for the helps |
| 02:15.58 | rwhitby | af12093487: one way to show your thanks is to purchase the PHD app |
| 02:16.08 | rwhitby | ;) |
| 02:16.11 | webfellow | i'd highly suggest it! |
| 02:16.20 | halfhalo | same |
| 02:16.56 | af12093487 | associate with .ipk? |
| 02:16.56 | m-h-k | Preware is really cool, and rwhitby deserves all the appreciation.. :) |
| 02:16.56 | rwhitby | Looks like the new testing feed Preware 1.5.5 Visibility feature has a subtle corner case we're not handling well. It causes kernels in the testing feed to be hidden :) |
| 02:17.02 | rwhitby | yes |
| 02:17.19 | m-h-k | rwhitby: what's that visibility thing supposed to do, actually? |
| 02:17.31 | rwhitby | m-h-k: hide placeholders for things you don't have installed |
| 02:17.44 | webfellow | hah, oops. |
| 02:18.12 | m-h-k | rwhitby: so how can I put a placeholder in place if I dont have it installed yet but am waiting for the 2.1.0 version to arrive? |
| 02:18.29 | rwhitby | well, this is exactly what the testing feed is for. some people get a bit to comfortable with it, so we introduce a bug every now and again ... |
| 02:18.53 | m-h-k | *g* |
| 02:19.07 | rwhitby | m-h-k: we're going to make it so if you search for the exact name it shows up |
| 02:19.35 | rwhitby | maybe a preference option as well |
| 02:19.37 | webfellow | oh i thought that option would be toggle-able, no? |
| 02:19.44 | webfellow | :) |
| 02:19.47 | af12093487 | what would be the first thing i should install |
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| 02:20.02 | af12093487 | just suggestions |
| 02:20.03 | webfellow | af12093487: go through the Patches section. enjoy |
| 02:20.10 | m-h-k | rwhitby: phew, that sounds awkward.. typing "SMS Vibrate to One and a Half Seconds" just to find the placeholder? |
| 02:20.36 | rwhitby | af12093487: the Featured Apps in the Preware Homebrew Documentation app are a good start. See a pattern here ? ;) |
| 02:20.38 | oil_pre | that doesn't work |
| 02:20.42 | m-h-k | rwhitby: preferences option, please! |
| 02:21.07 | webfellow | af12093487: patches will enhance/fix various functionality, too much to describe here, read the descriptions :) |
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| 02:21.32 | af12093487 | *scrolling |
| 02:21.34 | rwhitby | yeah, I guess we'll need a preference to make Visibility:Installed act like Visibility:Always |
| 02:22.02 | oil_pre | patches welcome :) |
| 02:22.07 | m-h-k | rwhitby: perhaps there is some other way to visually indicate placeholders? Like make them slightly greyed out in the lists... |
| 02:22.23 | rwhitby | m-h-k: people simply don't want to see them |
| 02:22.27 | halfhalo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.29 | rwhitby | (me included) |
| 02:22.33 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 02:22.44 | m-h-k | rwhitby: I mean for those that enable them via prefs |
| 02:23.28 | m-h-k | begins to think he really needs to get into webOS programming... |
| 02:23.39 | JetUni17 | rwhitby, do you have any idea why the meta-doctor would always tell me that it's charging my phone?? |
| 02:23.52 | oil_pre | yeah |
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| 02:26.10 | af12093487 | oh so i have an issue, though im not sure if this would be the right group to ask |
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| 02:26.48 | af12093487 | sometimes the phone will be connected to the 3g evdo or whatever, but will not download datat |
| 02:26.52 | af12093487 | data* |
| 02:27.10 | af12093487 | requires entering airplane mode, then leaving |
| 02:27.13 | af12093487 | works fine after |
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| 03:04.33 | NickNick | Anyone active? |
| 03:04.39 | scoutcamper | yes |
| 03:05.00 | NickNick | I have a question about the 2.0 patch update project page |
| 03:05.05 | af12093487 | does uberkernal work on its own? |
| 03:05.25 | scoutcamper | NickNick, halfhalo knows alot about that |
| 03:05.32 | NickNick | I'd like to contribute, but am wondering what the best approach is: email patch authors individually and ask them to update the wiki? |
| 03:05.34 | scoutcamper | af12093487, details oplease |
| 03:05.58 | af12093487 | like |
| 03:06.02 | af12093487 | what happens when i install |
| 03:06.05 | rwhitby | NickNick: post a message in the author's thread for that patch, stating your intention to submit an update. Attach the updated patch. |
| 03:06.10 | af12093487 | after i restart |
| 03:06.40 | rwhitby | NickNick: if they don't respond within 24h, then you submit the patch. if you wish to add your name to the maintainer list, add it after a comma at the end. do not remove any existing names. |
| 03:06.49 | af12093487 | because the app itself is just an update collection... |
| 03:07.07 | rwhitby | af12093487: have you read the PHD information on overclocking? |
| 03:07.09 | scoutcamper | af12093487, after you install uberkernel with preware it should start working, install govnah to configure |
| 03:07.14 | af12093487 | i see |
| 03:07.22 | af12093487 | and i understand, yest |
| 03:07.24 | af12093487 | yes* |
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| 03:08.18 | Loudergood | yeah it boots with safe/sane defaults |
| 03:08.27 | rwhitby | NickNick: please add that recommended flow to the top of that wiki page |
| 03:08.32 | af12093487 | thats what i was wondering |
| 03:08.53 | af12093487 | i didnt realize it and govnah co-mingled, so to speak |
| 03:09.43 | NickNick | rwhitby: I've never used IRC before. Do the dashed boxes surrounding the text mean you're sending that message directly to me? |
| 03:09.45 | rwhitby | af12093487: Note that both packages have a homepage link in Preware which has full documentation of each. I assume you've read that already? |
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| 03:10.35 | scoutcamper | NickNick, depends on what client you use :S |
| 03:10.42 | af12093487 | im thinking not, which is why i have not adjusted anything |
| 03:11.06 | af12093487 | i read all the warnings/info and such |
| 03:11.18 | af12093487 | but i havent got the documentation from the app catalog yet if that is what you are wondering |
| 03:11.25 | NickNick | scoutcamper: Opera. Sorry, just never experienced IRC before. |
| 03:11.33 | rwhitby | af12093487: the homepage link for each in the Preware description. click on it. |
| 03:11.45 | af12093487 | ohohohoh |
| 03:12.13 | scoutcamper | NickNick, i have no experience with opera, i use X-Chat 2 |
| 03:12.19 | NickNick | rwhitby: apologies for not being clearer. I have no developer skills, but would be glad to help spur updates to the 2.0 patch project page, if you think that is helpful. I'll add that workflow now. |
| 03:12.37 | rwhitby | NickNick: thx |
| 03:13.01 | rwhitby | af12093487: and why haven't you got the documentation app yet? |
| 03:13.18 | af12093487 | just havent |
| 03:13.33 | af12093487 | wasnt really looking to do a whole lot just yet |
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| 03:13.40 | af12093487 | only get a few things, see what was available |
| 03:13.53 | rwhitby | af12093487: it answers every single question you have had so far ... |
| 03:13.58 | af12093487 | :D |
| 03:14.22 | rwhitby | you can imagine how we feel answering those same questions each time for every new person ... |
| 03:15.15 | rwhitby | since you're getting all this software for free, you have an obligation not to waste the time of those providing it ... |
| 03:15.38 | af12093487 | im not trying to waste anyones time |
| 03:15.49 | af12093487 | just merely asking questions, if those are willing to answer |
| 03:16.01 | rwhitby | well you're not reading the documentation provided ... |
| 03:16.39 | af12093487 | i dont pay the phone bill |
| 03:16.50 | af12093487 | otherwise i would have gotten it first thing |
| 03:17.12 | scoutcamper | af12093487, it doesnt go on the phone bill, it goes on the credit card |
| 03:17.21 | af12093487 | well, that too |
| 03:17.35 | rwhitby | and I was actually referring to the homepage links for each of the apps in Preware |
| 03:17.40 | af12093487 | oh and yeah |
| 03:17.42 | af12093487 | i see those now |
| 03:17.48 | af12093487 | but i wasnt aware |
| 03:19.28 | NickNick | rwhitby: I added it, but it will flow better if i re-structure the introductory text a bit too |
| 03:20.38 | rwhitby | NickNick: please do |
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| 03:35.07 | JetUni17_ | does anyone know why the meta-doctor won't do anything for me besides tell me that it's charging my phone?? |
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| 03:35.28 | KGF2009 | Well, what percentage is your battery at? |
| 03:35.32 | fudge | anyone else having trouble with their camera with the overclock in place |
| 03:35.41 | JetUni17_ | 100% battery |
| 03:35.48 | rwhitby | JetUni17_: do you have the phone in recovery mode as the wiki page now recommends? |
| 03:35.55 | JetUni17_ | yes |
| 03:36.00 | rwhitby | fudge: known issue, testing a fix now |
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| 03:36.05 | fudge | oh ok :) |
| 03:36.16 | rwhitby | JetUni17_: did you hand-copy tokens? |
| 03:36.22 | JetUni17_ | no |
| 03:36.31 | fudge | would love to be a tester if possible |
| 03:36.38 | rwhitby | JetUni17_: dunno then |
| 03:36.50 | rwhitby | fudge: you already are, right? you're using the testing feed |
| 03:36.58 | fudge | heh |
| 03:37.02 | fudge | yeah :P |
| 03:37.15 | KGF2009 | I'm trying to doctor to 2.1.0 again now that I've cleared my profile. I'll see how it goes. |
| 03:46.40 | NickNick | I've updated the http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2.0_Patch_Status_Project page header with the process to edit that page and obtain or release an updated patch |
| 03:48.04 | KGF2009 | Beautiful. 2.1.0 has accepted my old profile. |
| 03:49.48 | fudge | congrats KGF2009 |
| 03:50.03 | fudge | did your games get transferred too? |
| 03:50.58 | KGF2009 | Hasn't rebooted yet. |
| 03:51.08 | KGF2009 | I deleted my server-side backup so.. |
| 03:51.23 | KGF2009 | As long as it still marks my games as 'bought', I'm happy. |
| 03:51.34 | NickNick | I've added a link to the wiki page on the precentral forums page for the patch status project: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/269267-webos-2-0-patch-upgrade-verification-project.html |
| 03:52.11 | NickNick | Perhaps someone can sticky that post? I'm going to add a link to that wiki from the 2.1 upgrade page |
| 03:53.07 | NickNick | That's already been done: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#Caveats |
| 03:53.11 | KGF2009 | Oh, I stand corrected. It's downloading my apps now. |
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| 04:00.00 | KGF2009 | Ah, what'd I miss? |
| 04:00.02 | fudge_ | your apps are back KGF2009? |
| 04:00.06 | fudge_ | nothin :P |
| 04:02.19 | KGF2009 | Yes, they're downloading now. |
| 04:02.24 | fudge | awesome |
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| 04:05.51 | KGF2009 | So what can I help test now? |
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| 04:55.26 | PatrickC_Pre | hay all |
| 04:55.39 | undrwater | hey PatrickC_Pre |
| 04:56.05 | PatrickC_Pre | how's it goin undrwater? |
| 04:56.14 | PatrickC_Pre | metaview: you here? |
| 04:57.52 | PatrickC_Pre | ok. preware keeps telling me there is an update to an app, but there isnt |
| 04:58.15 | PatrickC_Pre | I've checked it on 2 different devices, and there is no update to said app |
| 04:58.54 | undrwater | used my pre+ this weekend as primary phone :) |
| 04:59.11 | PatrickC_Pre | awesome |
| 05:00.08 | undrwater | it was...minor problems with consistent network connectivity...is this typical? |
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| 05:01.37 | PatrickC_Pixi | hay undrwater: srry pre locked up |
| 05:01.40 | PatrickC_Pixi | what were you using? |
| 05:02.10 | PatrickC_Pixi | was the 2.0 sdk released? |
| 05:02.53 | undrwater | PatrickC_Pre: browser, app called Where, google maps... |
| 05:03.10 | undrwater | got a lot of spinny circle things |
| 05:03.36 | undrwater | if i backed out, then restarted, it would sometimes work |
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| 05:03.53 | undrwater | i am using uberkernel on 2.1...i think i'll try underclocking and see if that helps |
| 05:03.55 | PatrickC_Pixi | ?? what are you talking about? |
| 05:03.56 | PatrickC_Pixi | sorry |
| 05:04.06 | PatrickC_Pixi | pre locked up, lost the convo on that one :p |
| 05:04.12 | undrwater | inconsistent network |
| 05:04.24 | PatrickC_Pixi | ahh ok |
| 05:04.32 | undrwater | hehehe |
| 05:04.43 | undrwater | that's kind of funny |
| 05:04.45 | PatrickC_Pixi | what about the "spinny circle things" |
| 05:04.54 | PatrickC_Pixi | I try ;) |
| 05:05.55 | undrwater | oh...just that nothing is happening in the network apps...just lots of spinny circles...the "waiting" ui |
| 05:06.04 | PatrickC_Pixi | anyone have any idea on my preware problem? |
| 05:06.13 | PatrickC_Pixi | 2.1? |
| 05:07.19 | PatrickC_Pixi | are you working on anything undrwater? |
| 05:07.44 | undrwater | no |
| 05:08.11 | PatrickC_Pixi | are you a dev? or just an avid hacker? |
| 05:08.13 | PatrickC_Pixi | lol |
| 05:08.23 | undrwater | but shr just released RC3! |
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| 05:08.37 | undrwater | i'm a social worker :) |
| 05:08.49 | PatrickC_Pixi | what's shr? and RC3? lol |
| 05:08.52 | undrwater | obsessed with "stuff" :) |
| 05:08.57 | PatrickC_Pixi | social worker hmm.. lol |
| 05:09.08 | PatrickC_Pre | hello all |
| 05:09.17 | undrwater | shr is an embedded OS based on FSO (a middleware) |
| 05:09.25 | undrwater | shr runs on the pre and the openmoko |
| 05:09.37 | PatrickC_Pre | FSO? (googles :p) |
| 05:09.50 | undrwater | rc3 is the third release candidate :) |
| 05:11.05 | PatrickC_Pixi | and it does what? |
| 05:12.22 | undrwater | makes phone calls :) |
| 05:12.26 | undrwater | and other stuff |
| 05:12.44 | PatrickC_Pixi | but it's an OS, rite? |
| 05:12.48 | undrwater | yes |
| 05:13.03 | undrwater | with phone stack |
| 05:13.04 | PatrickC_Pixi | so, it replaces webOS? |
| 05:13.14 | undrwater | you can dual boot |
| 05:13.27 | PatrickC_Pixi | dualboot phone??? awesome!! |
| 05:14.10 | undrwater | you can youtube search for shr on palm pre |
| 05:14.13 | undrwater | see it in action |
| 05:14.32 | PatrickC_Pixi | goes to youtube app now |
| 05:16.20 | PatrickC_Pixi | watching now |
| 05:17.18 | PatrickC_Pixi | so, you are set up for dual boot? |
| 05:17.32 | PatrickC_Pixi | how hard is it/what are the benefits? |
| 05:18.29 | undrwater | haven't done it yet...probably this week |
| 05:18.53 | undrwater | doesn't seem too hard...but that's for someone who worked with shr with the openmoko for quite a while...ymmv |
| 05:18.53 | PatrickC_Pixi | what are the benefits? |
| 05:19.20 | undrwater | benefits? not sure yet...certainly webos is way more poslished...but shr is way more linuxy |
| 05:19.48 | PatrickC_Pixi | like "build a meta doctor" linuxy? |
| 05:20.14 | PatrickC_Pixi | :D |
| 05:20.26 | undrwater | i don't know what "build a meta doctor" means...but it is a true linux distro |
| 05:20.31 | undrwater | runs X |
| 05:20.34 | undrwater | natively |
| 05:21.03 | PatrickC_Pixi | have you built a meta-doctor yet? |
| 05:21.11 | undrwater | no |
| 05:21.19 | undrwater | well...probably not |
| 05:21.27 | undrwater | what does it mean to build a meta-doctor? |
| 05:21.27 | PatrickC_Pixi | I thought you ran 2.1? |
| 05:21.34 | undrwater | then i suppose i have :) |
| 05:21.40 | PatrickC_Pixi | build a 2.1 doctor for a pre+/- |
| 05:21.46 | undrwater | yes |
| 05:22.01 | undrwater | wasn't aware of the terminology |
| 05:22.16 | undrwater | so...i suppose the question is: can you build metadoctor from the device? |
| 05:22.26 | PatrickC_Pixi | yes |
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| 05:23.22 | undrwater | i think it's possible...depends on java i think |
| 05:23.50 | PatrickC_Pixi | that would be awesome! |
| 05:23.58 | PatrickC_Pixi | I want to meta-doc sooooo bad |
| 05:24.07 | undrwater | not sure about the java available for embedded linuxes |
| 05:24.21 | PatrickC_Pixi | jack87|away: what do you think? |
| 05:24.23 | SineOt | to build a metadoctor, you could theoretically do it on device |
| 05:24.38 | rwhitby | undrwater: does SHR still use the MokoMakefile I wrote a couple of years ago? |
| 05:24.42 | SineOt | running it though? that's what would need java, and well... doctoring from on the device would be dumb |
| 05:25.04 | PatrickC_Pixi | what would you need java for? |
| 05:25.18 | PatrickC_Pre | sorry pixi took forever to send |
| 05:25.47 | undrwater | PatrickC_Pixi: my understanding is that metadoctor uses java? i could be wrong |
| 05:25.54 | PatrickC_Pre | wouldn't you just copy the file from device to computer? and then run the .jar? |
| 05:26.06 | undrwater | rwhitby: that's possible...i haven't been very involved for at least a year |
| 05:26.21 | PatrickC_Pre | it takes java to run, and a phone doctoring itself would be cool, but I would do it from a PC |
| 05:26.42 | rwhitby | there are no webOS devices that can be a USB host |
| 05:26.58 | PatrickC_Pre | meaning? |
| 05:27.05 | undrwater | rwhitby: could webos run on the moko? |
| 05:27.26 | rwhitby | undrwater: gta01 or gta02 ? |
| 05:27.30 | undrwater | either |
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| 05:27.44 | undrwater | mine is 02 |
| 05:27.54 | rwhitby | probably technically possible with a whole lot of work. practically, no. legally, no. |
| 05:28.12 | rwhitby | you could, however, use an SHR gta02 to flash a webOS device |
| 05:28.25 | rwhitby | (since gta02 can do USB host0 |
| 05:28.38 | undrwater | :D |
| 05:28.52 | PatrickC_Pre | meaning?? I'm lost :) |
| 05:28.53 | undrwater | so webos is legally bound to palm / hp devices? |
| 05:28.59 | rwhitby | undrwater: yep |
| 05:29.02 | rwhitby | it's not open source |
| 05:29.24 | netzwurm | rwhitby: it wouldn't have to be. |
| 05:29.28 | PatrickC_Pre | but they provide the source code? don't they? |
| 05:29.29 | netzwurm | rwhitby: but point taken. |
| 05:29.30 | undrwater | PatrickC_Pre: my guess is that metadoctor uses usb drive to connect to device it is flashing |
| 05:29.52 | PatrickC_Pre | yea, and I would run the doctor on a PC once built |
| 05:30.07 | rwhitby | netzwurm: unless you have a license to run webOS on a non-webOS device (which, BTW is not allowed by the EULA), then you have no right to use the software as such. |
| 05:30.17 | undrwater | PatrickC_Pre: i think hte point is that you can't flash a pre with a pre |
| 05:30.20 | rwhitby | PatrickC_Pre: they do not |
| 05:30.45 | PatrickC_Pre | ah ok undrwater |
| 05:30.50 | PatrickC_Pre | and thanks rwhitby |
| 05:30.59 | rwhitby | webOS is not open source. source code is not provided. period. |
| 05:31.12 | undrwater | i thought it was! |
| 05:31.18 | PatrickC_Pre | I'm thinking of the kernel source? |
| 05:31.20 | undrwater | was it ever? |
| 05:31.39 | rwhitby | the linux kernel and some userspace applications that webOS runs on are open source |
| 05:31.48 | rwhitby | webOS is not, never has been, never will be. |
| 05:31.57 | PatrickC_Pre | that stinks |
| 05:32.12 | undrwater | my bubble just popped :( |
| 05:32.15 | undrwater | :D |
| 05:32.27 | rwhitby | if webOS was open source it would likely end up like openmoko |
| 05:33.00 | PatrickC_Pre | it would be very little knows to non-linux users? |
| 05:33.05 | rwhitby | should get the multiple GTA01 and GTA02 devices out of his drawer and sell them |
| 05:33.35 | undrwater | rwhitby: better to use them for servers or something :) |
| 05:33.39 | undrwater | worth more that way |
| 05:33.46 | rwhitby | undrwater: I have webOS devices for that. |
| 05:33.51 | PatrickC_Pre | is android open source? |
| 05:34.05 | gkatsev | most of it |
| 05:34.10 | rwhitby | there is an android open source project. what you experience on an android phone is far from that. |
| 05:34.17 | undrwater | :D |
| 05:34.22 | PatrickC_Pre | lol |
| 05:34.32 | gkatsev | yeah, google's apps are proprietary |
| 05:34.37 | gkatsev | and then there are the skins |
| 05:34.45 | undrwater | drivers for most of the hardware |
| 05:34.59 | PatrickC_Pre | I wish preware would stop giving me a ghost app update |
| 05:35.01 | gkatsev | only some of the drivers |
| 05:35.37 | PatrickC_Pre | tries to think of how to make a dual-boot android/webos phone |
| 05:35.41 | rwhitby | in essence, a webOS phone is an open as an android phone. the only difference is in the marketing of the open source aspect |
| 05:35.49 | gkatsev | you can get a dualboot android/iphone, lol |
| 05:35.56 | PatrickC_Pre | and make millions |
| 05:36.06 | PatrickC_Pre | on the android/webos phones |
| 05:36.18 | PatrickC_Pre | dualboot android/ios? |
| 05:36.24 | gkatsev | there are hacks |
| 05:36.26 | rwhitby | very hard to make millions on a solution which is not legally viable |
| 05:36.37 | gkatsev | PatrickC_Pre: except no one would ever boot into webos. Would take forever |
| 05:36.44 | PatrickC_Pre | well... |
| 05:36.49 | undrwater | rwhitby: why do you think that if webos were open source, it would be like openmoko? |
| 05:36.53 | PatrickC_Pre | you could make a book on how to do it... |
| 05:37.30 | gkatsev | undrwater: rwhitby came from openmoko |
| 05:37.35 | rwhitby | undrwater: fragmentation, lack of focus, poor decisions. |
| 05:37.42 | gkatsev | if anyone would know, it's rwhitby |
| 05:37.57 | PatrickC_Pre | rwhitby knows all :) |
| 05:38.04 | rwhitby | only did the Makefile for it, was not part of the company |
| 05:38.26 | gkatsev | lol, I meant community not company. |
| 05:38.52 | undrwater | wasn't the "lack of focus, poor decisions" a company problem though? |
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| 05:39.27 | undrwater | that's how it played out to me in the mailing lists |
| 05:40.18 | PatrickC_Pre | so rwhitby: do you think it would be possible to build a meta-doc on-device? |
| 05:41.09 | phil_bw | wanders by |
| 05:41.25 | undrwater | :) |
| 05:41.36 | PatrickC_Pre | hay phil_bw |
| 05:41.47 | phil_bw | evenin' patrick |
| 05:42.08 | PatrickC_Pre | how's it goin? |
| 05:42.45 | rwhitby | PatrickC_Pre: yes |
| 05:43.06 | PatrickC_Pre | inside webOS? or only if you dual-boot? |
| 05:43.22 | phil_bw | rwhitby: got a quick question for you. how difficult would it be to write a little utility to connect one pre to another peer to peer over wifi to play a game over wifi without being connected to a network? |
| 05:43.36 | phil_bw | and it's going well patrick |
| 05:43.53 | PatrickC_Pre | good |
| 05:44.26 | rwhitby | phil_bw: just run mobile hotspot on one of the devices. that's what I do for multiplayer games away from an access point. |
| 05:44.43 | rwhitby | PatrickC_Pre: webOS is linux, meta-doctor run on linux. |
| 05:45.06 | PatrickC_Pre | will git work? |
| 05:45.13 | phil_bw | hmm... |
| 05:45.14 | rwhitby | it's linux |
| 05:45.29 | PatrickC_Pre | awesome! |
| 05:45.49 | PatrickC_Pre | now I just need to figure out how to set up git on webos and make a meta-doc |
| 05:46.06 | rwhitby | oh please dont. |
| 05:46.15 | PatrickC_Pre | why not? |
| 05:46.37 | rwhitby | all that will achieve is annoying us here with endless questions about how to achieve something that has no practical purpose in the first place. |
| 05:46.55 | PatrickC_Pre | ok |
| 05:47.12 | rwhitby | if you can do it without asking a single question, go for it. |
| 05:47.12 | PatrickC_Pre | I'll wait to get a *real* linux environment set up |
| 05:47.36 | PatrickC_Pre | that I can't promise :) |
| 05:47.50 | PatrickC_Pre | so, I won't try it on webos *yet* |
| 05:48.28 | phil_bw | rwhitby: since I'm getting in to multiplayer game development I want to make connecting two devices as simple as possible. ideally I'd write my own basically stripped down mobile hotspot that didn't share internet that my games would tie into to automate |
| 05:48.29 | phil_bw | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.02 | PatrickC_Pre | well, I'm off to bed |
| 05:49.05 | PatrickC_Pre | night all |
| 05:49.26 | gkatsev | PatrickC_Pre: if you really want linux now, get a VPS |
| 05:49.43 | PatrickC_Pre | looks up VPS |
| 05:49.52 | gkatsev | virtual private servers |
| 05:49.59 | gkatsev | also, i guess a VM works too |
| 05:50.33 | PatrickC_Pre | is vm == vbox? |
| 05:50.42 | PatrickC_Pre | or are there differences? |
| 05:50.50 | RagingMind | gkatsev, we tried helping him set up a VM... his home computer isn't capable of much more than IRC |
| 05:51.08 | PatrickC_Pre | no, my *laptop* isnt |
| 05:51.09 | RagingMind | PatrickC_Pre, vbox is software that provides a vm |
| 05:51.16 | PatrickC_Pre | my regular computer is |
| 05:51.40 | PatrickC_Pre | but I have to get caught up in school in order to use it |
| 05:51.40 | rwhitby | ubuntu runs natively in server mode on a 16MHz Intel 286 with 16MB of memoyr. |
| 05:52.05 | PatrickC_Pre | can server mode make a meta doc? |
| 05:52.10 | rwhitby | of course |
| 05:52.32 | PatrickC_Pre | but it needs internet access is my guess.... so I'm outa luck :'( |
| 05:53.19 | phil_bw | rwhitby: so what do you think of my idea? feasable to try, or overly complicated? |
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| 05:53.46 | rwhitby | phil_bw: I don't know if the wireless driver does ad-hoc |
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| 05:54.06 | Josef_B | yo |
| 05:54.14 | Josef_B | so today i my lucky day |
| 05:54.26 | phil_bw | okee, just something that's been rolling around in my head |
| 05:54.30 | Josef_B | some how my palm phone broke in peices .. ATT won't do anything for me |
| 05:54.38 | Josef_B | i think i should switch to verizon and get pre2 eh ? |
| 05:55.12 | rwhitby | phil_bw: and if it did, I doubt there would be a way from an app catalog jail to switch into it |
| 05:55.43 | rwhitby | phil_bw: assume they are on the same subnet, and advise people to use the hotspot if they are not connected to an access point. |
| 05:56.12 | rwhitby | phil_bw: use the rendezvous stuff in 2.0 to find each other |
| 05:56.25 | RagingMind | Josef_B, I think the pre2 went down to $50 on verizon |
| 05:56.41 | PatrickC_Pre | anyone here use Puppy Linux? |
| 05:57.11 | phil_bw | rwhitby, I thought about that too. problem is getting hotspot on the phone. It was quite the hack job on mine. |
| 05:58.00 | Josef_B | RagingMind, yea plus i will be a new cusotmer |
| 05:58.00 | gkatsev | Josef_B: get a burner for a few months? |
| 05:58.08 | Josef_B | burner ? |
| 05:58.09 | Josef_B | what is that |
| 05:58.33 | gkatsev | I watch too much It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, lol |
| 05:58.47 | gkatsev | a throw-away phone |
| 05:58.58 | Josef_B | why would i wait ? |
| 05:59.10 | gkatsev | other phones? pre3? |
| 05:59.18 | Josef_B | :D |
| 05:59.19 | Josef_B | i see |
| 05:59.24 | PatrickC_Pre | veer :D |
| 05:59.28 | Josef_B | meh |
| 05:59.35 | gkatsev | now is just worst time to sign a contract |
| 05:59.36 | Josef_B | good logic grasshopa |
| 05:59.57 | Josef_B | man |
| 05:59.58 | RagingMind | you could get a pixi+ cheap somewhere, avoid contract, and wait for pre3? |
| 06:00.12 | Josef_B | i just signed a 2 year contrcact iwth ATT and my pre broke and they won't help me |
| 06:00.17 | Josef_B | aw |
| 06:00.21 | PatrickC_Pre | or get a pre+ off ebay for nxt to nothing |
| 06:00.25 | Josef_B | i can always go craigslist route eh |
| 06:00.29 | PatrickC_Pre | yea |
| 06:00.50 | PatrickC_Pre | puppy linux anyone? |
| 06:01.29 | gkatsev | PatrickC_Pre: puppy is fine |
| 06:01.42 | gkatsev | Josef_B: how soon ago was just? |
| 06:01.43 | PatrickC_Pre | even for my crap PC? |
| 06:01.51 | RagingMind | I've used puppy before, if you're thinking of using it to build a meta doc... yes it could work, but it's easier to stick with ubuntu |
| 06:01.56 | Josef_B | gkatsev, like on the 7th of this month |
| 06:01.56 | gkatsev | it's supposed to be light weight. |
| 06:02.04 | gkatsev | Josef_B: today? |
| 06:02.08 | Josef_B | err |
| 06:02.10 | Josef_B | last month |
| 06:02.13 | gkatsev | lol |
| 06:02.13 | undrwater | why not go all the way and use gentoo? |
| 06:02.23 | gkatsev | PatrickC_Pre: there is also damn small linux |
| 06:02.38 | rwhitby | yeah, use gentoo so your build environment can be completely different from any other person that might be able to help you. |
| 06:02.48 | gkatsev | Josef_B: you should return it and get your money back and then get a new contract :P |
| 06:02.49 | PatrickC_Pre | what's the really small linux? |
| 06:02.50 | RagingMind | Josef_B, you're on att? you could spring for an unlocked pre2 |
| 06:02.51 | undrwater | rwhitby: i can help :) |
| 06:03.01 | gkatsev | PatrickC_Pre: 'damn small linux' is another distro, what else? |
| 06:03.03 | rwhitby | undrwater: sorry, wrong USE flags. |
| 06:03.15 | Josef_B | wow $499 |
| 06:03.26 | Josef_B | gkatsev, they said physical damage isn't supported |
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| 06:03.34 | PatrickC_Pre | or $249 for dev :) |
| 06:03.40 | Josef_B | gkatsev, the pre + was referbished ie i pad $0.00 |
| 06:03.43 | gkatsev | did it oreo or something? |
| 06:03.44 | PatrickC_Pre | didn't you buy warranty? |
| 06:03.47 | undrwater | rwhitby: i have a working ebuild for the sdk and novacom |
| 06:03.47 | Josef_B | s/pad/paid |
| 06:04.18 | rwhitby | undrwater: and you'd really consider sharing that with someone who can't get the meta-doctor to build on Ubuntu? |
| 06:04.43 | undrwater | rwhitby: well...no....but i would share it with someone who is using gentoo :) |
| 06:04.51 | PatrickC_Pre | I haven't tried it on ubuntu *yet* |
| 06:05.27 | PatrickC_Pre | I haven't tried it at all |
| 06:05.36 | undrwater | rwhitby: if someone had installed gentoo...we wouldn't be having this conversation anyway :) |
| 06:05.41 | idontwan2know | gentoo was my first attempt at linux...talk about jumping into the deep end |
| 06:05.51 | Josef_B | rotfl |
| 06:05.52 | gkatsev | at least it wasn't slackware |
| 06:05.56 | phil_bw | man I've used all number of linux distros out there (including gentoo which was a lot of fun) and I always go back to just straight debian. I really can't find much reason to use anything else at this point. |
| 06:06.01 | Josef_B | idontwan2know, gentoo is the wrong distro to try as a n00b |
| 06:06.14 | idontwan2know | it predictably ended in failure. |
| 06:06.20 | undrwater | ehhehe. |
| 06:06.35 | undrwater | it's OK for a newb if you are anal about following directions |
| 06:06.47 | gkatsev | i tried gentoo as a non-n00b and still failed |
| 06:07.21 | idontwan2know | I tried mandrake next, which was more succesfull |
| 06:07.32 | rwhitby | minix 1.0 was the best though. |
| 06:07.44 | phil_bw | I went the other direction, mandrake to gentoo |
| 06:07.45 | rwhitby | especially if you typed it in from the book |
| 06:07.55 | undrwater | :P |
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| 06:08.24 | rwhitby | you think typos in your userland programs are hard to debug ... |
| 06:08.53 | idontwan2know | but hardware support just wasn't where it needed to be for a n00b with a custom box with lots of obscure bits and pieces to have any chance of success at the time |
| 06:09.01 | rwhitby | so, anyone tested uberkernel/pre 2.1.0-18 yet? |
| 06:09.34 | PatrickC_Pre | can't yet :'( |
| 06:09.37 | PatrickC_Pre | or I would have |
| 06:10.02 | undrwater | rwhitby: yes |
| 06:10.54 | rwhitby | undrwater: camera work? |
| 06:10.57 | PatrickC_Pre | wow |
| 06:11.02 | undrwater | rwhitby: quite well |
| 06:11.12 | PatrickC_Pre | I never thought I would see a channel active with only 33 people |
| 06:11.26 | rwhitby | undrwater: sticks at 1GHz when woken? |
| 06:11.32 | PatrickC_Pre | ooo my camera doesn't work... |
| 06:11.43 | PatrickC_Pre | should I just re-install it? |
| 06:11.44 | undrwater | rwhitby: i'll look into that... |
| 06:12.06 | undrwater | rwhitby: only thing i noticed is an intermittent data problem |
| 06:12.06 | idontwan2know | I'm going to install it now...be back shortly |
| 06:12.16 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 06:22.13 | greenskeleton | undrwater: are you on a pre-? |
| 06:23.06 | undrwater | greenskeleton: pre+ |
| 06:23.44 | greenskeleton | ah |
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| 06:24.40 | greenskeleton | I'm noticing more TMC errors on my 2.1 pre-, more than I had with Uberkernel on 1.4.5. Kinda hoping Uberkernel clears those up |
| 06:24.42 | PatrickC_Pre | night for real :p |
| 06:25.00 | PatrickC_Pre | that's why you use F105 :) |
| 06:25.29 | PatrickC_Pre | well nite |
| 06:25.39 | PatrickC_Pre | I'll try to figure out my Preware issue later |
| 06:28.34 | Josef_B | brb |
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| 06:33.03 | idontwan2know | rwhitby: uk 2.1.0-18 stutters a bit when waking up at 1ghz, but nothing show stopping. |
| 06:33.37 | idontwan2know | camera performance is better than I've ever experienced with overclocking *or* stock kernel |
| 06:33.50 | idontwan2know | really fast |
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| 06:37.42 | undrwater | i don't know what it was like before...but camera is a pleasure to use |
| 06:38.07 | undrwater | one of my happy weekends uses |
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| 06:41.08 | idontwan2know | with previous overclocking kernels the camera has usually been painfully slow for me |
| 06:41.40 | idontwan2know | taking forever to load, forever to save a pic and be ready for the next shot,etc |
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| 06:42.21 | idontwan2know | sometimes failing to take a picture at all, even |
| 06:43.57 | oaxaca | hi guy I need help to get the preware |
| 06:46.19 | oaxaca | I guys I need some help to get the preware |
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| 22:02.55 | *** topic/#webos-internals is Discussion about webOS internals (not webOS SDK usage - #webos for that, or wIRC - #wirc for that). Honor all licenses, carrier agreements and copyrights. Twitter: @webosinternals Logs: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/ Wiki: http://www.webos-internals.org/ Pastebin: http://webos.pastebin.com/ Preware: http://install.preware.org/ Patches: http://patches.webos-internals.org/ |
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| 22:03.11 | PatrickC_Pre | infobot: hi |
| 22:03.11 | infobot | hello, patrickc_pre |
| 22:06.17 | PatrickC_Pre | how many has heard back from HP about pre2 |
| 22:06.26 | PatrickC_Pre | it has been over 20 days for me :'( |
| 22:10.06 | Jack87 | PatrickC_Pre, no word here |
| 22:10.25 | PatrickC_Pre | when did you originally email? |
| 22:10.30 | PatrickC_Pre | trying to boot puppy now |
| 22:10.32 | Jack87 | week ago |
| 22:10.35 | PatrickC_Pre | wish me luck |
| 22:10.38 | PatrickC_Pre | no!!! |
| 22:10.42 | PatrickC_Pre | net split! |
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| 22:11.41 | PatrickC_Pre | jack87: puppy linux can be put into a vbox rite? |
| 22:11.53 | Jack87 | ya |
| 22:12.02 | Jack87 | anything can be put into a vbox for the most part |
| 22:12.03 | PatrickC_Pre | it looks like its booting!!! |
| 22:12.21 | Jack87 | what computer are you on right now? (old laptop)? |
| 22:12.28 | PatrickC_Pre | yea |
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| 22:13.06 | PatrickC_Pre | I will try to do ubuntu on the main tonight |
| 22:13.16 | PatrickC_Pre | I'm getting more caught up in school |
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| 22:17.52 | fudge_ | sup |
| 22:18.37 | PatrickC_Pixi | hows it goin? |
| 22:18.52 | fudge_ | good good. 2.1 on pre is aweosme |
| 22:19.15 | PatrickC_Pixi | I want to get linux set up soo bad!!! |
| 22:19.25 | PatrickC_Pixi | then I an build the meta-doc |
| 22:19.33 | PatrickC_Pixi | btw, why is linux required??? |
| 22:20.23 | PatrickC_Pixi | anyone know? |
| 22:21.28 | idontwan2know | cause that's what rwhitby wrote it for |
| 22:21.49 | halfhalo | and he is the makefile master |
| 22:21.59 | PatrickC_Pixi | is it even fesible for windows? |
| 22:22.12 | halfhalo | no |
| 22:22.26 | PatrickC_Pixi | is hoping puppy will boot with only 25MB of RAM :) |
| 22:22.28 | PatrickC_Pixi | man |
| 22:22.48 | PatrickC_Pixi | I guess I have to get some distro of linux running then |
| 22:23.05 | PatrickC_Pixi | I'll try and get ubuntu working on the main computer tonight (hopefully) |
| 22:23.42 | PatrickC_Pixi | halfhalo: my camera app suddenly stopped working... |
| 22:23.53 | PatrickC_Pixi | has this happened before? |
| 22:24.00 | Jack87 | lies |
| 22:24.04 | halfhalo | I have no idea at all |
| 22:24.16 | PatrickC_Pixi | I never lie jack87 :p |
| 22:24.19 | Jack87 | i think someone said they did it in cywigin in windows or whatever its called (i dont know anything about it) |
| 22:24.47 | PatrickC_Pixi | puppy is getting farther jack87!!!!!!! |
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| 22:26.27 | Jack87 | PatrickC_Pre, http://www.cygwin.com/ might help you make meta doctor in windows |
| 22:26.51 | PatrickC_Pixi | jack87 how much ram should I give ubuntu? |
| 22:27.26 | Jack87 | in a VM? if you cant atleast 384MB |
| 22:27.39 | Jack87 | s/cant/can/ |
| 22:27.41 | PatrickC_Pixi | I'm on the main |
| 22:27.48 | idontwan2know | just go with the vbox defaults, they work fine |
| 22:27.54 | Jack87 | how many gigs total do you have |
| 22:27.55 | PatrickC_Pixi | I have 4GB available :) |
| 22:28.05 | PatrickC_Pixi | 4GB |
| 22:28.05 | halfhalo | 4Gb is like nothing nowadays |
| 22:28.07 | Jack87 | give it 1 - 2 gigs |
| 22:28.27 | PatrickC_Pixi | I'll start with 1gig |
| 22:28.41 | PatrickC_Pixi | then bump up if needed |
| 22:29.17 | PatrickC_Pixi | hope it boots!!! |
| 22:29.23 | idontwan2know | seriously, you don't need anything close to that for metadoctor |
| 22:29.30 | PatrickC_Pixi | jack87: do you have time to walk me through? |
| 22:29.53 | PatrickC_Pixi | close to what? 1GB RAM? |
| 22:30.06 | idontwan2know | yes |
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| 22:30.26 | PatrickC_Pixi | well, y not if I have it :) |
| 22:30.30 | Jack87 | PatrickC_Pixi, the wiki explains it all |
| 22:30.32 | PatrickC_Pixi | sineot: hi |
| 22:30.41 | PatrickC_Pixi | I'm trying to boot ubuntu finally!! |
| 22:30.43 | Jack87 | i wouldnt be telling you anything different than what is on the wiki (haha i helped with the wiki) |
| 22:30.56 | idontwan2know | just go with the vbox defaults for an ubuntu install...the more you change, the more you might screw up |
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| 22:31.09 | PatrickC_Pixi | ok, when it comes time to install, I have one question |
| 22:32.35 | PatrickC_Pixi | jack87: could I just make the meta-doc inside the "try" mode, and then install later? |
| 22:32.48 | rwhitby | PatrickC_Pixi: if you had actually *read* the metadoctor wiki page, you would see that it works equally well with linux, windows or macosx. |
| 22:33.09 | rwhitby | PatrickC_Pixi: again, watch what you state as authoritative in this channel |
| 22:33.41 | PatrickC_Pixi | rwhitby, I know it works with cygwin (or whatever it is called) I wanted to know if I could do it with regular windows programs |
| 22:33.55 | PatrickC_Pixi | like not have to have special programs |
| 22:34.12 | Jack87 | PatrickC_Pixi, See Cygwin |
| 22:34.31 | rwhitby | PatrickC_Pixi: seriously, mate. you need to learn how to use the right tools for the job, and not try and use your inferior hammer (windows) for everything. |
| 22:34.36 | Jack87 | PatrickC_Pixi, just do it in the VM like the wiki explains |
| 22:35.05 | PatrickC_Pixi | will do rwhitby and jack87 |
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| 22:35.38 | rwhitby | if installing cygwin looks hard to you, then seriously you should just give up now and do something else |
| 22:36.05 | PatrickC_Pixi | I just didn't want to install special programs |
| 22:36.19 | SineOt | oh the irony |
| 22:36.20 | PatrickC_Pixi | but if I'm going to do it, I'll go all the way and go ubuntu as well |
| 22:36.32 | SineOt | no Cgywin but an ubuntu vm is a-okay |
| 22:36.48 | Jack87 | PatrickC_Pixi, he isnt telling you to really give up.. haha just do it dude. in a vbox you are safe cant harm anything |
| 22:37.09 | rwhitby | um, cygwin is no more "special" than UnZip or Git, goth of which you will need to run the meta-doctor |
| 22:37.28 | rwhitby | seriously, drop your stupid bigotry and just follow the wiki |
| 22:37.52 | halfhalo | is tempted to try to get it working with ms's outdated linux utils for fun |
| 22:38.05 | rwhitby | halfhalo: I suspect it would work |
| 22:38.20 | rwhitby | it's not like metadoctor actually uses anything from Linux |
| 22:38.30 | PatrickC_Pixi | I'm installing it now |
| 22:38.34 | phil_bw | feels like he has deja vu... |
| 22:38.50 | halfhalo | rwhitby: I think it would work otb except for make not being installed |
| 22:38.50 | rwhitby | I'm sure you could also write meta-doctor in a .bat file if you put your mind to it |
| 22:38.54 | rwhitby | or visual basic |
| 22:39.43 | rwhitby | halfhalo: oh, but make is a "special" program, so you can't install that. |
| 22:40.00 | PatrickC_Pixi | I'm going to go do some school, I'll check on it in a few |
| 22:40.04 | halfhalo | its because its a virus! |
| 22:40.13 | Jack87 | rwhitby encurages others to do it... but he has no need to for himself. he did the hard part... if others figure out ways to spread the wealth by all means go for it and wiki it |
| 22:40.17 | PatrickC_Pixi | has flash become any simpler to install? |
| 22:40.29 | SineOt | Flash is already simple to install o_o |
| 22:41.01 | PatrickC_Pre | how? |
| 22:41.02 | Jack87 | has not found any need to install flash (yet) |
| 22:41.14 | PatrickC_Pre | I thought you had to make special files locally to do it... |
| 22:41.15 | rwhitby | PatrickC_Pixi: FFS, have you not *READ* the wiki page ? |
| 22:41.22 | PatrickC_Pre | most of it |
| 22:41.25 | PatrickC_Pre | but not lately |
| 22:41.32 | PatrickC_Pre | just got back from a trip |
| 22:41.38 | rwhitby | well what the **** are you doing here asking questions about it? |
| 22:41.41 | phil_bw | I'm just going to enjoy flash on my Pre2 when it arrives, going to leave the old minus at 1.4.5 for beta testing purposes |
| 22:41.57 | PatrickC_Pre | I'll go read it then... |
| 22:41.58 | PatrickC_Pre | sorry |
| 22:42.16 | halfhalo | 20 says make is included in this download |
| 22:42.39 | rwhitby | PatrickC_Pixi: put a sticker on the ? key on your keyboard that says "have I read the wiki page for this first, before I make a fool of myself asking a question about it on the IRC channel, annoying those who can help me in the process" - ok? |
| 22:42.51 | Jack87 | phil_bw, did you order a pre2.. me wnat one so bad |
| 22:42.59 | phil_bw | so this is off topic (but perhaps off topic would be welcome at the moment) do any of you have a laptop with a wacom pad built in to the track pad? |
| 22:43.08 | phil_bw | Jack87, developer Pre2 |
| 22:43.12 | PatrickC_Pre | I'll read it before I ask anymore questions |
| 22:43.31 | Jack87 | phil_bw, they make laptops like that? |
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| 22:43.46 | phil_bw | Jack87, yes, mine and I can't figure out for the life of me how to configure the damn thing... |
| 22:43.46 | Jack87 | closest i seen were the HP tablets the screen was wacom |
| 22:44.03 | Jack87 | phil_bw, in what OS? |
| 22:44.32 | phil_bw | Win7 Pro |
| 22:44.53 | Jack87 | just install the wacom drivers from their site |
| 22:45.04 | phil_bw | easier said than done |
| 22:45.32 | halfhalo | if this works I am going to laugh since its like 3 clicks to do it |
| 22:45.47 | phil_bw | since it's a hybrid touch pad/pen input it identifies as both a synaptics touch pad and a wacom input device (which I can't find any drivers that work with it) |
| 22:45.53 | Jack87 | phil_bw, http://www.wacom.com/downloads/drivers.php is your computer not in the list of tablet models? |
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| 22:46.26 | Jack87 | phil_bw, not one of these? http://www.3dm3.com/forum/f50/laptop-built-wacom-tablet-16139/ |
| 22:47.13 | phil_bw | no |
| 22:47.29 | phil_bw | the track pad itself is the pen input area |
| 22:47.47 | phil_bw | anyway, was just wondering if anyone around here had one |
| 22:52.16 | Jack87 | phil_bw, manufactuer support website doesnt have driver? |
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| 22:52.25 | phil_bw | nope |
| 22:53.19 | djwhitey | suggestion: in Preware->"homepage" link for precentral patches-> point to m.forums.precentral.net |
| 22:54.05 | Jack87 | phil_bw, what laptop is it model and all |
| 22:54.23 | phil_bw | Fujitsu Lifebook A6030 |
| 22:54.27 | rwhitby | djwhitey: that link is whatever the author of the patch submits |
| 22:54.29 | idontwan2know | wow, the virtual keyboard n 2.x is a lot less ready for primetime than the PC article made it seem |
| 22:55.07 | idontwan2know | have yet to use it without it crashing luna |
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| 22:57.25 | bhuey | is planning to a do frankenpre with plus parts |
| 22:57.39 | bhuey | 80 USD for a plus a good price ? |
| 22:57.45 | Jack87 | phil_bw, did you try this... http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/win-7-driver-fujitsu-lifebook-a6030s-wacom-digitizer-pad-t4026838.html |
| 22:58.48 | phil_bw | Jack87, I'll read that, thanks |
| 22:59.02 | SineOt | idontwan2know: yeah, it's way buggy but that's to be expected... it's a left over from what I assume is very early testing for the TouchPad keyboard |
| 22:59.03 | phil_bw | can't believe I've not seen that page yet, been trying to fix this forever |
| 22:59.07 | SineOt | which if you look at that, it's ancient |
| 22:59.35 | phil_bw | Jack87, anyhow this is way off topic so you don't need to keep helping me here, I was just curious if anyone here used a system like mine, thanks a bunch though |
| 22:59.58 | Jack87 | haha ya.. its been quiet though |
| 23:00.22 | Jack87 | bhuey, if its new.. ya i think its a good price |
| 23:00.24 | PatrickC_Pixi | ubuntu installed!!! |
| 23:00.42 | PatrickC_Pixi | now I just need to read the meta-doc wiki, then doc!! yay! |
| 23:00.43 | Jack87 | PatrickC_Pixi, haha good luck with the meta doctor :) |
| 23:01.21 | Jack87 | also read the webos 2.1 on pre -/+ |
| 23:01.26 | Jack87 | read both! |
| 23:01.56 | PatrickC_Pixi | will do |
| 23:05.33 | idontwan2know | read, don't skim |
| 23:05.39 | idontwan2know | every word |
| 23:05.50 | PatrickC_Pixi | I will |
| 23:05.56 | djwhitey | twice |
| 23:06.12 | PatrickC_Pixi | thrice :) |
| 23:06.52 | PatrickC_Pixi | it booted after installation!!! |
| 23:06.53 | PatrickC_Pixi | yay |
| 23:07.26 | PatrickC_Pixi | now I'm gonna do some more school, then read wiki, follow to a "T", then make me a doctor!! |
| 23:07.33 | PatrickC_Pixi | thanks for the help so far :) |
| 23:07.36 | djwhitey | man navit maps are hawgs |
| 23:08.18 | djwhitey | takes the Predefined Area route |
| 23:08.30 | SineOt | djwhitey: I like the like, "draw what you want" download bit |
| 23:08.47 | SineOt | the west coast and a bit of BC was only like 512mb... which isn't THAT bad for how much area it covers |
| 23:09.40 | Jack87 | whats that thing called with the pre3 waving inforunt of touchpad? |
| 23:09.51 | SineOt | Tap to Share? |
| 23:09.55 | Jack87 | yes! |
| 23:10.34 | Jack87 | Tap to Share would be awesome if it worked for CDMA devices to move phone service over per device that quick |
| 23:10.42 | Jack87 | ehhehe just hinking a loud |
| 23:10.53 | Jack87 | s/hinking/thinking/ |
| 23:12.36 | djwhitey | yea that's what I did. East 1/2 of TX/OK + AR + LA + MS => 253MB. Gonna try it out on the commute home |
| 23:13.05 | halfhalo | make is install in mah windows machine |
| 23:13.53 | SineOt | yeah, I grabbed California, Washington, Oregon, lower part of BC, and some of nevada and idaho and it was 512mb |
| 23:14.09 | SineOt | if I'm going to be driving outside of that then I can just grab the maps then, really |
| 23:14.17 | SineOt | no real need to carry all of the US with me all the time |
| 23:14.19 | Loudergood | navit? |
| 23:14.28 | SineOt | yeah, with Navit |
| 23:14.36 | Loudergood | yeah it's not bad at all |
| 23:14.43 | djwhitey | right. and the beauty of it is no needing a constant data connection, right? |
| 23:14.52 | Loudergood | the city state issue sucks though |
| 23:15.04 | Loudergood | yeah that part is nice |
| 23:15.23 | SineOt | rwhitby: any progress on the testing script for ATT 2.1 profiles? If there is, I'll reflash and test again, if not, I'm going to reflash to the 1.4.5 masq |
| 23:15.30 | Jack87 | halfhalo, what all did you need to do |
| 23:15.36 | SineOt | Loudergood: city state issue? |
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| 23:15.57 | bhuey | Jack87: folks hve been asking for 150 for those units as well which I think is pricey for something that's no longer sold by HP/Palm |
| 23:16.23 | Jack87 | bhuey, ya.. people dont understand public == dumb |
| 23:16.35 | Loudergood | cities or towns show up as faketown, USA when you search for them |
| 23:16.47 | Loudergood | no state |
| 23:16.50 | SineOt | that's... a pretty massive bug :p |
| 23:16.58 | Loudergood | problem is there's multiples of each |
| 23:17.00 | Jack87 | Loudergood, what city state issue? |
| 23:17.03 | SineOt | I take it if you're doing a proper address lookup is better? |
| 23:17.04 | Jack87 | navit? |
| 23:17.17 | SineOt | Eg 12345 Something St Real City, CA? |
| 23:18.40 | Jack87 | cool http://www.precentral.net/touchpad-pops-vietnam-has-sim-tray-video |
| 23:19.21 | halfhalo | Jack87: Its a ms addon called Unix subsystem or something |
| 23:19.48 | Jack87 | huh.. intresting. |
| 23:20.21 | Jack87 | I guess HP doesnt trust folks inthe states |
| 23:21.20 | SineOt | Jack87: what do you mean? |
| 23:21.24 | Jack87 | bhuey, pre2 is $30 on verizon on conract |
| 23:21.58 | Jack87 | SineOt, viatnam folks got to paly with touch pad.. but HP wont let you even smell it in the states haha |
| 23:22.07 | SineOt | It came out of Vietnam, so it's most likely that it's a testing unit that got 'gently lifted' out of a factory in China along the border or in one of the new factories in North Vietnam |
| 23:22.24 | SineOt | I really doubt that HP sanctioned this :p |
| 23:22.40 | Jack87 | haha true |
| 23:22.51 | Jack87 | test units are like $10s of Gs! |
| 23:23.16 | Jack87 | thats what kevin told me... Lisa's partner |
| 23:24.08 | SineOt | Vietnam has had a few really high profile tech leaks recently |
| 23:25.17 | SineOt | because from what I read a lot of companies are kind of moving small batch production of things like test devices to factories in Vietnam or something |
| 23:25.23 | SineOt | so there's a lot of unreleased tech floating around |
| 23:26.10 | Jack87 | note to self... take vacations in vietnam |
| 23:26.52 | SineOt | there was a big leak of iPhone 4 parts out of Vietnam a while back |
| 23:27.11 | SineOt | basically the entire casing assembly |
| 23:27.37 | SineOt | didn't get much attention but then that iPhone 4 got picked up in a bar and suddenly everyone was all about it, even though all the parts had leaked earlier :p |
| 23:29.42 | Jack87 | thats intresting |
| 23:29.55 | SineOt | there's been a few leaks like that that come to mind |
| 23:30.06 | Jack87 | wants to get a verizon pre2 for $30 off contract :-) that be nice |
| 23:30.16 | SineOt | the touchscreen for the new iPod Nano leaked probably 4-5 months prior to launch and it got like, zero attention |
| 23:30.33 | Jack87 | SineOt, where do you hear about these leaks? |
| 23:30.43 | SineOt | the internet P: |
| 23:30.43 | PatrickC_Pre | we need a webosi app that has all the articles built in |
| 23:31.05 | SineOt | Engadget, 9to50mac, Apple Rumors. I check them every so often and sometimes there's interesting stuff that floats around |
| 23:31.08 | Jack87 | PatrickC_Pre, the wikihas a mobile version |
| 23:31.14 | PatrickC_Pre | I know |
| 23:34.57 | bhuey | Jack87: not looking to change carriers |
| 23:35.07 | bhuey | pre 2 isn't going to sell that well at all |
| 23:35.22 | bhuey | no advertisements, no hype outside of this community |
| 23:35.49 | Loudergood | not to mention shinier devices waiting in the wings |
| 23:35.55 | Jack87 | bhuey, no.. i mean... if pre2 is that cheap on contract than people will start selling em off contract soon enough so 80 bucks for a pre+ doesnt look so nice anymore |
| 23:36.05 | bhuey | my 3rd day into EVO and Android has me wishing for my Pre again |
| 23:36.13 | bhuey | given how erratic the UI is |
| 23:36.20 | Jack87 | Loudergood, Verizon iphone4 is out now (buddy has one) |
| 23:36.25 | PatrickC_Pre | ##6623# is nice |
| 23:36.34 | Loudergood | yeah that too |
| 23:36.53 | bhuey | we'll see |
| 23:37.04 | Jack87 | bhuey, i got an Evo for my bro. and i used it for about a week. couldnt stand it |
| 23:37.13 | bhuey | I peraonlly don't know how they'll catch up to android and iphone |
| 23:37.23 | bhuey | what did he use before ? |
| 23:37.28 | bhuey | EVO is ok |
| 23:37.33 | PatrickC_Pre | when I use android I always try to swipe back :p |
| 23:37.46 | bhuey | but kludge ? yes |
| 23:38.04 | bhuey | UI is highly irregular, programmig APIs are scattered |
| 23:38.10 | Jack87 | bhuey, thats his first phone. i suggested it to him as the pre hardware was out dated at the time. and if you are not a webos fan not worth it |
| 23:38.17 | Loudergood | same here PatrickC_Pre |
| 23:38.28 | bhuey | Jack87: has he played with a Pre at all ? |
| 23:38.36 | Jack87 | a little bit with mine |
| 23:38.36 | PatrickC_Pre | and iOS, and BBerry too :p |
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| 23:38.54 | Jack87 | this was back in september when pre2 was still a myth |
| 23:39.01 | Jack87 | aug. actualyl |
| 23:39.20 | bhuey | I'm keeping the EVO, but I'm not fully happy with it so far. I'll let it sit and absorb a bit to give me a good experience with the device and then I'll make my judgement |
| 23:39.29 | bhuey | pre 2 is fantastic |
| 23:39.34 | bhuey | played with one recentliy |
| 23:39.51 | Jack87 | bhuey, i played with pre3... its amazing |
| 23:40.06 | Jack87 | Lisa had one with her at SCALE |
| 23:40.16 | Jack87 | and the veer is pretty darn cool |
| 23:40.16 | halfhalo | yup |
| 23:40.39 | Jack87 | halfhalo, did you like the veer? |
| 23:41.11 | SineOt | The Veer is pretty awesome |
| 23:41.12 | Jack87 | pre 3 is huge and nice.. veer is small and cute |
| 23:41.15 | PatrickC_Pre | on ubuntu now!!! |
| 23:41.29 | djwhitey_pre | navit doesn't seem to be getting a lock |
| 23:41.46 | halfhalo | veer was nice |
| 23:42.17 | PatrickC_Pre | veer is a nice phone for teens |
| 23:42.25 | PatrickC_Pre | pre3 is nice for business men |
| 23:42.34 | Jack87 | hehe so they can hide it in class? |
| 23:42.36 | PatrickC_Pre | touchpad is nice all around :) |
| 23:42.49 | PatrickC_Pre | yea duah |
| 23:43.11 | Jack87 | the teen girls will go wild for the veer. |
| 23:43.19 | Jack87 | it has a little tasel holder thing |
| 23:43.25 | bhuey | Jack87: in a kind of "this is just as fast as android" kind of way or something else ? |
| 23:43.31 | PatrickC_Pre | is the 10GB disk space required for the meta-doc? |
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| 23:43.37 | djwhitey_pre | my neighborhood isn't in the map data either. lol. how old is navit streetmap data? |
| 23:43.54 | Jack87 | so they can add their wrist straps and charms |
| 23:44.35 | Jack87 | bhuey, what do you mean |
| 23:45.00 | djwhitey_pre | PatrickC_Pre: I think it ends up using around 4GB or so unpacked |
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| 23:45.57 | bhuey | Jack87: because of the speed of the device or somethign else ? |
| 23:46.03 | bhuey | EVO is pretty fast |
| 23:46.33 | Jack87 | speed + webos! |
| 23:46.41 | bhuey | well |
| 23:46.45 | Jack87 | big screen and all that funs tuff |
| 23:46.47 | PatrickC_Pre | thanks djwhitney |
| 23:46.47 | bhuey | webos is slow |
| 23:46.52 | Jack87 | s/tuff/stuff/ |
| 23:47.01 | bhuey | so how is this different than an EVO ? |
| 23:47.02 | PatrickC_Pre | s/djwhitney/djwhitey/ |
| 23:47.55 | bhuey | running webos on a good device is a great experience, but what would anybody say to that experience that already exists on an EVO or related device ? |
| 23:48.02 | PatrickC_Pre | webos is not *that* slow |
| 23:48.12 | PatrickC_Pre | when OCed |
| 23:48.14 | bhuey | pre- dude :) |
| 23:48.23 | PatrickC_Pre | OC to 1.2GHz |
| 23:48.29 | PatrickC_Pre | :) |
| 23:48.30 | bhuey | still very slow |
| 23:48.31 | PatrickC_Pre | works awesome |
| 23:48.35 | bhuey | fuck that's insane |
| 23:48.38 | PatrickC_Pre | or even 1.005MHz |
| 23:48.47 | bhuey | it's still slow because my problems are with memory |
| 23:48.54 | PatrickC_Pre | the 1.005MHz is good |
| 23:49.04 | djwhitey_pre | my sprint pre- runs 2.1 pretty well at 1GHz |
| 23:49.09 | bhuey | I run app and do IO that exceed the comfort of that deice |
| 23:49.29 | bhuey | sadly enough |
| 23:49.40 | djwhitey_pre | bhuey: memory is my bottleneck as well. using compcache=32MB |
| 23:49.46 | PatrickC_Pre | are you running 2.1? |
| 23:49.54 | bhuey | yeah, still slow, but it does help |
| 23:50.04 | bhuey | can't replace raw memory |
| 23:50.24 | bhuey | I wish it was a chip that can be replaced with a speciall soldering tool |
| 23:51.00 | Loudergood | my pre+ seems to work well |
| 23:51.06 | djwhitey_pre | bhuey needs a FrankenPre+ =) |
| 23:51.12 | bhuey | yep :) |
| 23:51.19 | bhuey | I'm going to build one from plus parts |
| 23:51.28 | bhuey | my pre- got crushed recently |
| 23:51.43 | bhuey | screen is f-ed up, crascked |
| 23:51.48 | bhuey | cracked severely |
| 23:51.54 | djwhitey_pre | I been watching bad esn Pre+'s on ebay |
| 23:51.58 | bhuey | so sad |
| 23:52.07 | Loudergood | mine has the USB port crack issue |
| 23:52.09 | bhuey | stolen I presume |
| 23:52.12 | bhuey | or lost |
| 23:52.20 | djwhitey_pre | all ya need is an in-tact comm board |
| 23:52.20 | Loudergood | screen protector seems to stop it though |
| 23:52.27 | bhuey | got one |
| 23:52.30 | bhuey | out of my -pre |
| 23:52.43 | Jack87 | pre2 reviews on verizon site are saddening |
| 23:52.48 | Loudergood | pre2 build quality is so much better |
| 23:53.02 | djwhitey_pre | and a good condition pre+/pre2 |
| 23:53.06 | PatrickC_Pre | people don't know how to use webOS, so they review badlyt |
| 23:53.14 | PatrickC_Pre | s/badlyt/badly/ |
| 23:53.24 | bhuey | PatrickC_Pre: no shit |
| 23:54.04 | bhuey | iphone and droid fanboys, bah |
| 23:54.07 | bhuey | morons |
| 23:54.35 | PatrickC_Pre | ubuntu is running slow :'( |
| 23:54.43 | bhuey | what ? impossible |
| 23:54.49 | bhuey | like on a 406 maybe |
| 23:54.55 | bhuey | 486 |
| 23:55.01 | Loudergood | ubuntu is a ram hog |
| 23:55.04 | bhuey | s/406/486 |
| 23:55.11 | PatrickC_Pre | I gave it a full 1GB RAM |
| 23:55.12 | bhuey | s/406/486/ |
| 23:55.17 | bhuey | bah |
| 23:55.20 | Jack87 | lol |
| 23:55.22 | bhuey | gotta work that bot |
| 23:55.38 | Jack87 | PatrickC_Pre, install guest additions |
| 23:55.45 | PatrickC_Pre | meaning? |
| 23:55.45 | bhuey | dude ubuntu with KVM kills on this MacBook |
| 23:55.46 | Jack87 | hit device menu on top of virtual box |
| 23:56.03 | bhuey | so fast |
| 23:56.28 | Jack87 | his video is all software rendered right now thats why its running slow |
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| 23:56.44 | Jack87 | with guest additions he can actually use 2d/3d accelerated hardware from the computer |
| 23:57.07 | Jack87 | always thinks wubi is best options for those only wanting to meta doctor |
| 23:57.35 | Jack87 | ok im out you all have fun |
| 23:58.09 | PatrickC_Pre | there is no instructions for the SDK on 10.10 |
| 23:58.16 | halfhalo | we could make a vmware appliance pretty easily |
| 23:58.24 | PatrickC_Pre | only 10.04 |
| 23:58.33 | PatrickC_Pre | are they the same installation instructions? |
| 23:59.11 | joeb_ | PatrickC_Pre- you around ? |
| 23:59.19 | PatrickC_Pre | I'm here what's up? |