| 00:00.15 | rwhitby | what does the package do? |
| 00:00.25 | mgschu | on-device ipk fetcher |
| 00:00.46 | rwhitby | fetch from where? |
| 00:00.55 | mgschu | ls2 files should all be in place, but it tells me "not permitted to send to com.mgschu.dummy.srv" |
| 00:01.19 | mgschu | it creates a blank ipk on device and installs it, then launches the update service to update to the real version |
| 00:04.16 | rwhitby | is that exploiting some vulnerability in the app catalog? |
| 00:04.31 | mgschu | sort of |
| 00:04.43 | mgschu | same way that pc version of ipk-fetcher did |
| 00:05.10 | rwhitby | I see. So it works for free apps and bypasses geo-restrictions on those. |
| 00:05.13 | mgschu | It doesn't help with paid apps though, no way to get those abroad |
| 00:05.18 | mgschu | yes |
| 00:15.47 | destinal | rwhitby: hard to decide whether to call it a vulnerability or not. |
| 00:16.23 | destinal | at any rate, same thing as ipk fetcher, seems like a positive thing |
| 00:16.29 | mgschu | destinal: a harmless vulnerability. unless you like georestrict? |
| 00:17.25 | destinal | mgschu: yeah, hopefully they'll totally get rid of geo restrictions soon, for now, having something like this seems very good for those people suffering from the lack of app availability around the world |
| 00:18.12 | mgschu | destinal: I'm just waiting for them to tell us it'll change "in the coming months" |
| 00:18.15 | torchie | geo restrictions should like uh die |
| 00:18.17 | torchie | and stuff |
| 00:18.24 | mgschu | we haven't heard that in far too long |
| 00:18.51 | rwhitby | mgschu: how was this packaged? |
| 00:19.10 | mgschu | sh script, it's in the root of the git |
| 00:19.26 | mgschu | I've also tried Jay Canuck's Packager but to the same effect |
| 00:19.38 | rwhitby | palm-package will complain that you can't have the service be the same id as the app. I've told that to Jason too. |
| 00:19.51 | rwhitby | service has be be a subdomain of the app domain. |
| 00:20.12 | mgschu | I'll ditch the srv off the app then |
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| 00:21.42 | rwhitby | My approach is usually to comply with any packaging restrictions that palm-package has, since then you're less likely to come across subtle incompatibilities. Jason unfortunately doesn't subscribe to that philosophy. |
| 00:23.28 | mgschu | How can I get palm-package to package the service? without an appinfo.json it doesn't package, and with it installs to /applications/ |
| 00:24.02 | rwhitby | mgschu: the 2.1 SDK has details of how to package services |
| 00:26.47 | rwhitby | that'd be the first thing I'd try, anyway. |
| 00:34.09 | mgschu | rwhity: Is the documentation with the SDK? Can find palm-package and a sample service but no documentation |
| 00:34.27 | RagingMind | mgschu, it's on the download page for the SDK |
| 00:34.30 | RagingMind | it's separate |
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| 00:35.41 | Error454 | iso based mounting may have to wait until 3.0 |
| 00:36.21 | ka6sox-work | Error454, why? |
| 00:37.02 | wgreenhouse | is the latest update of wIRC borked for everybody? |
| 00:37.13 | wgreenhouse | mine just sits at "Waiting for plugin" now |
| 00:37.28 | halfhalo | wgreenhouse: reinstall |
| 00:37.49 | wgreenhouse | halfhalo: all right, I'll see how it goes |
| 00:37.49 | Error454 | ka6sox-work: The gadget driver that provides this functionality is quite down-revved in the stock kernel. The latest version that is backportable isn't much better, only linux hosts can see the ISO and you can't boot off it. |
| 00:38.06 | halfhalo | I sometimes get that when I install an update while wirc is running |
| 00:39.59 | ka6sox-work | Error454, so you were attempting to hook up a ISO disk drive external or something in the /media/internal? |
| 00:40.33 | Error454 | ka6sox-work: I was allowing the Pre to mount an ISO in /media/internal and present that as ISO9660 to the host |
| 00:41.05 | Error454 | ka6sox-work: So I had an ubuntu iso sitting in /media/internal and wanted to present it |
| 00:41.10 | ka6sox-work | Error454, its probably not in /proc/filesystems |
| 00:41.28 | ka6sox-work | or is that the change you made? |
| 00:41.54 | Error454 | ka6sox-work: isoFS isn't and that is easy to include, just having isoFS doesn't allow you to present that mounted filesystem over the USB as a cd-rom |
| 00:42.12 | Error454 | ka6sox-work: I was working on the driver that allows you to do that |
| 00:42.49 | ka6sox-work | okay so you want to be able to loop mount a iso that is located in the /media/internal vfat partition? |
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| 00:43.07 | ka6sox-work | and then make that visible to the host. |
| 00:43.17 | Error454 | ka6sox-work: And then present that over USB as if the Pre is a cd-rom drive |
| 00:43.30 | halfhalo | interesting... |
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| 00:44.30 | Error454 | I can already present a disk based image, just can't present it as a cd-rom device. This support is baked into the mass storage drivers in recent kernels but you end up back-porting the entire kernel to get this 1 piece of functionality. |
| 00:44.32 | ka6sox-work | Error454, I haven't looked at the code that allows things to be seen over the gadget. |
| 00:45.29 | Error454 | ka6sox-work: I've been looking at it for a few months in my spare time, the learning curve for me was quite steep since I didn't know how usb drivers worked prior to my hacking |
| 00:45.33 | ka6sox-work | but I'll take your word that a 2.6.24 probably is too old for such a thing. |
| 00:46.15 | Error454 | yeah, I back-ported something from 2.6.28 but it works poorly - still this was 2009 so things have improved a lot |
| 00:46.43 | Error454 | I guess I'll have to shelve this piece of functionality for now |
| 00:47.27 | Error454 | On another note, why hasn't anyone taken a serious stab at getting a vlc equivalent on webos? I threw together a quick compile of ffplay last night and threw it in a jail-free service and it seems to work pretty well |
| 00:47.31 | ka6sox-work | probably but it is intriguing... |
| 00:47.59 | halfhalo | someone for mplayer working on the pre did they not? |
| 00:48.01 | ka6sox-work | has ffmpeg been ported to work on omap3 without neon support? |
| 00:48.04 | Error454 | it is, maybe someone out there has a better use-case. For me it was mostly novelty. |
| 00:48.21 | Error454 | I don't think so, my cpu ran pretty high |
| 00:48.49 | Error454 | I'm decoding on CPU but still, it opens up a whole ton of codecs that the pre doesn't have |
| 00:48.58 | Error454 | For flash videos and low rez stuff, it runs fine |
| 00:49.03 | destinal | Error454: just saw your blog entry on the xbox360 mass storage stuff. awesome. and uber kernel ftw :) |
| 00:49.20 | Error454 | destinal: uber kernel ftw indeed |
| 00:49.26 | ka6sox-work | right I would suspect it would...but for higher res stuff running without neon support would be "intense" |
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| 00:50.17 | Error454 | ka6sox-work: Yeah, I tried some 720p stuff and it was a series of stills as expected. Still I'd like to dig in and learn about how the hardware accelerated support gets thrown in. |
| 00:51.24 | ka6sox-work | the whole gles/opencl thing is a can of worms I'd rather not deal with. |
| 00:52.34 | destinal | so what about using the DSP to accelerate video? |
| 00:53.12 | elpollodiablo1 | rwhitby: is there a reason for compiling mplayer with the --disable-neon flag? |
| 00:53.15 | destinal | TBH I know almost nothing about how one would do that.. |
| 00:53.16 | Error454 | It sounds nice, but I know very little about DSP programming. |
| 00:53.56 | ka6sox-work | Error454, its a black art. |
| 00:54.16 | Error454 | I know just a little about some codecs and how they pack the data but don't have it connected to how codec gets hardware accelerated. What is the codec running on? GPU? |
| 00:54.59 | ka6sox-work | usually there are bits of it there. |
| 00:55.14 | ka6sox-work | I dunno what implementation that HPalm chose |
| 00:55.46 | rwhitby | elpollodiablo1: does mplayer work on the Pre and Pixi with neon enabled? |
| 00:56.01 | ka6sox-work | it will, of course, be different for pixi and pre. |
| 00:57.15 | ka6sox-work | we would have to see the package flags to know. |
| 00:57.19 | elpollodiablo1 | rwhitby: it should, ffmpeg is compiled on WebOS2.0 with neon enabled |
| 00:57.25 | Error454 | I didn't disable-neon when I built ffmpeg |
| 00:57.42 | destinal | ka6sox-work: shame that the build in video players are closed source.. would be interesting to see how they're doing what they do |
| 00:57.51 | rwhitby | elpollodiablo1: ok, give it a try and let us know how it goes. |
| 00:58.15 | ka6sox-work | destinal, ya. one of the things however that sets WebOS apart though. |
| 00:58.19 | ka6sox-work | better video. |
| 00:59.06 | Error454 | elpollodiablo1: Didn't we have a thread about this on the palm forums? |
| 00:59.17 | Error454 | hold on |
| 00:59.31 | Error454 | https://developer.palm.com/distribution/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=8505 |
| 00:59.40 | elpollodiablo1 | yes we did back in the day. I just didnt have a 2.0 to test it on |
| 01:00.38 | halfhalo | I would love to see better vidoeo support, because webos pales in comparison to my epics video support unfortunately |
| 01:01.51 | elpollodiablo1 | it might help a little but not as much as it running through DSP |
| 01:02.59 | Error454 | I don't need to play HD video on my phone, I just want to play SD content, for that I don't need acceleration. |
| 01:06.03 | Error454 | I think having the option to play something unaccelerated is better than not being able to play it at all |
| 01:07.04 | Error454 | Sometimes I'll queue up a bunch of youtube videos using youtube-dl, I could throw those on the Pre and watch them during my daily transit |
| 01:20.28 | elpollodiablo1 | rwhitby: where is the mplayer code, patch and make instructions. I cant seem to find them on git.webos-internals.org |
| 01:20.41 | rwhitby | elpollodiablo1: in the WIDK |
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| 01:21.18 | rwhitby | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=preware/cross-compile.git;a=tree;f=packages/media/mplayer;h=1927db1a2cad5919592d26ba99b35c6e0adfd1db;hb=HEAD |
| 01:22.24 | elpollodiablo1 | thanks I knew I was looking through it before, just couldnt seem to located it. |
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| 01:27.42 | elpollodiablo1 | adora: are you the adora(Lisa Brewster) from Palm Developer Relations? |
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| 01:31.56 | mgschu | rwhitby: palm-package works for me now, thanks. Next I need to use a postinst script to allow me to installnoverify |
| 01:33.23 | Error454 | Hey, odd question, what do you folks where to work? Shorts/T-shirt or slacks/button-up shirt? |
| 01:33.30 | Error454 | ^wear |
| 01:33.54 | mgschu | Error454: Today, linens and a shirt. It was hot in the UK |
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| 01:34.39 | rwhitby | Error454: anything from shorts and short sleeve business shirt to full suit and tie, depending on weather and who's visiting. |
| 01:34.39 | RagingMind | Error454, work provides a polo uniform thingy that I hate |
| 01:36.00 | Error454 | I find the history of technical work attire fascinating, if you look at photos from old IBM, programmers wore a suit/tie to sit at a computer all day. Now it seems like most of my co-workers are shorts/t-shirt but I kind of like dressing up. |
| 01:36.54 | Error454 | When/if you folk work at home, do you dress down compared to going into the office? |
| 01:37.04 | elpollodiablo1 | Business casual for me. no tie |
| 01:37.28 | RagingMind | when I worked in tech support I'd dress up sometimes. no customers could see me, but it felt nice |
| 01:38.21 | elpollodiablo1 | work from home I wear sweats or gym shorts and t-shirt |
| 01:38.33 | Error454 | RagingMind: Yeah there's something about that. I usually dress up when I work from home just because it helps me feel more productive and professional. |
| 01:38.57 | RagingMind | if I worked at home, I'd be lucky to get out of my PJ's |
| 01:39.11 | elpollodiablo1 | I bet you will find a corilation to that and age. |
| 01:39.26 | mgschu | k or 1/k? |
| 01:39.39 | Error454 | hehe, working from home is odd, always this strange guilt of wondering if it's ok to do household stuff during the workday |
| 01:40.12 | RagingMind | I wish my old employer had a work from home in my area... then I'd still have a full time job |
| 01:47.07 | mgschu | Is there a good linux music manager that allows sftp to be mounted as a device? |
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| 02:06.23 | destinal | mgschu: a what? |
| 02:06.40 | rwhitby | mgschu: use sshfs |
| 02:07.24 | destinal | not sure whether the music manager would be able to detect the ssh mount point as a device, but I'm not really sure why not, either |
| 02:07.54 | destinal | I don't generally use that kind of software |
| 02:08.16 | mgschu | I'm envious of winamp and android |
| 02:08.33 | mgschu | or iTunes and that wireless sync app that didn't break any rules but got rejected |
| 02:11.49 | destinal | hmm, songbird dropped Linux support? .. but.. why? |
| 02:12.33 | destinal | looks like some of the devs are starting a support for linux project called Nightingale but no releases yet |
| 02:13.02 | PatrickC | for sshing on the pre, isnt it "chmod 700 /var/home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys/id_rsa.pub" |
| 02:13.54 | mgschu | authorized_keys is a file, not a directory |
| 02:14.14 | mgschu | id_rsa.pub should be renamed or appended into authorized_keys |
| 02:14.21 | PatrickC | ah ok |
| 02:16.37 | PatrickC | what is the easiest way to remove a directory? |
| 02:17.10 | mgschu | rm -rf |
| 02:18.46 | PatrickC | then, i run the chmod 700 thing, right? |
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| 02:27.09 | mgschu | destinal: songbird works under wine |
| 02:28.15 | destinal | mgschu: sounds like they started out with linux support though, right? why drop it? |
| 02:28.47 | NuttyBunny | Hey everyone |
| 02:28.52 | PatrickC | hay |
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| 02:46.40 | mgschu | rwhitby: is there an easy way to customize the ls2 files? ie before installation |
| 02:48.55 | wgreenhouse | destinal: they did start out with linux support |
| 02:51.05 | mgschu | not well in wine, I've lost all trace of the window and it's still playing... |
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| 02:56.26 | NickNick | Anyone active? |
| 02:57.00 | NickNick | I'm trying to get some help: i am having what seems to be a memory leak when using any music app on my Pre+ with 2.1 |
| 02:57.45 | PatrickC | what do you mean, a memory leak? |
| 02:57.48 | NickNick | I'm trying to 1) find out if others are having this issue, and B) figure out how to track it down, if that is even possible |
| 02:58.04 | rwhitby | I've seen mention of it on one of the forums |
| 02:58.12 | NickNick | when i play music the memory usage as reported by Govnah increases |
| 02:58.27 | NickNick | until it hits 486 or 488, then music starts stuttering |
| 02:58.37 | NickNick | and the phone gets really laggy |
| 02:59.00 | NickNick | once i reboot the lag goes away, and memory usage is stable |
| 02:59.00 | PatrickC | rwhitby will be able to help you a lot more then i can |
| 03:00.11 | NickNick | rwhitby: you may have seen this thread: http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/279044-does-webos-audio-system-2-1-have-memory-leak.html |
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| 03:04.14 | NickNick | so the thread is to try and answer question 1), but i'm hoping someone here can help me with B) |
| 03:08.39 | NickNick | ... and by help i mean offer suggestions on what i might do, not do the work for me |
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| 03:15.43 | NickNick | <crickets> |
| 03:18.58 | NuttyBunny | needs a faster machine, or a way to make a cluster to cross compile ;) |
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| 03:22.54 | NickNick | Anyone willing to try and replicate my results? The procedure is here: http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/279044-does-webos-audio-system-2-1-have-memory-leak-2.html#post2919798 |
| 03:23.13 | mgschu | is there a way to use pmPostInstall.script with palm-package? |
| 03:24.04 | NuttyBunny | use ipkg-build :) |
| 03:24.17 | mgschu | ? |
| 03:25.05 | NuttyBunny | at least ipkg-build stores postinst and prerm scripts |
| 03:25.39 | mgschu | I'm having serious issues with prerm and postinst scripts |
| 03:26.04 | mgschu | If I install the app from palm-package, I have insufficient priviliges to run my code |
| 03:26.27 | mgschu | If I add prerm and postinst, it doesn't install correctly and I get "not permitted to send" |
| 03:26.54 | mgschu | and to fix the app I need to change the files post installation of the palm-package and then reboot |
| 03:28.42 | bhuey | rwhitby: another full reset |
| 03:29.23 | bhuey | no clue as to what's going on, I don't have it easily in a developer context either |
| 03:29.59 | NickNick | I believe i'm correct in calling this issue a memory leak: whenever i use a music app my available memory decreases up to the limit. When i close that music app it doesn't come back |
| 03:30.49 | rwhitby | mgschu: you can use ar to add the scripts to the ipk after palm-package is done |
| 03:31.14 | mgschu | rwhitby: have done, screws up the app |
| 03:31.50 | mgschu | http://pastebin.com/MnFtbRV4 |
| 03:33.14 | rwhitby | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/hello.git;a=blob;f=Makefile |
| 03:35.12 | NickNick | do i need a secret handshake or sometihing to get anyone's attention ;) |
| 03:35.50 | rwhitby | NickNick: nope, it's just that I have no further info |
| 03:37.08 | mgschu | rwhitby: Think your git may be having some issues, "XML Parsing Error: undefined entity" for any file in that git |
| 03:37.43 | mgschu | wait, is tht my side? |
| 03:37.51 | halfhalo | it might be your side |
| 03:38.08 | NuttyBunny | msgchu: git seems fine for me |
| 03:38.22 | rwhitby | your side |
| 03:39.20 | NuttyBunny | rwhitby behaves like Sheldon Cooper: He doesn't assume he's right, he's just right ;) |
| 03:40.20 | mgschu | how odd. It breaks on the ampersand of the first it comes across |
| 03:41.09 | NickNick | rwhitby: ok, thanks. So that means if there is a memory leak on legacy devices with 2.1 than there is nothing to be done...? |
| 03:46.40 | NuttyBunny | pretty much, 2.1 on legacy isn't supported |
| 03:47.40 | rwhitby | NickNick: depends whether it occurs on the official 2.1 on legacy devices releases (e.g. for O2 Pre+) or whether it only occurs on Pre- or something. |
| 03:51.07 | NickNick | There is one report of an O2 Pre+ with this issue in that thread. Should i PM him/her to request support through HP? |
| 03:51.36 | rwhitby | yep |
| 03:52.48 | mgschu | NuttyBunny rhitby ipkg-build didn't seem to do the job, but rebooting to check |
| 03:52.54 | NickNick | 10-4. I'll do that. |
| 03:52.58 | NickNick | thanks |
| 03:57.43 | PatrickC_Pre2 | how many nodes should the "phone" app take? |
| 03:57.51 | PatrickC_Pre2 | is 2351 too many? |
| 03:58.53 | mgschu | rwhitby: any modification of the ipk seems to stop it from installing correctly, and I get "not permitted to send to com.mgschu.dummy.srv" when I run it. |
| 04:00.16 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I just checked against my other pre, which is only using 106 nodes..w |
| 04:00.27 | PatrickC_Pre2 | what are nodes exactly? |
| 04:01.35 | mgschu | feel free to play with this http://ompldr.org/vN3l3Ng/dummy.zip while I'm gone |
| 04:01.38 | mgschu | Goodnight |
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| 04:01.45 | NickNick | PatrickC_Pre2: my Pre+ does not have nearly that many nodes on my Pre+ |
| 04:01.57 | NickNick | for the phone app, i mean |
| 04:02.07 | PatrickC_Pre2 | that is on 2 different pre-'s |
| 04:02.23 | PatrickC_Pre2 | 2351 on one, and 106 on the other |
| 04:12.40 | PatrickC_Pre2 | any ideas? the phone is super sluggish... |
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| 04:22.42 | NickNick | PatrickC_Pre2: reboot? |
| 04:22.49 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I did |
| 04:22.54 | PatrickC_Pre2 | now everything seems fine |
| 04:22.58 | PatrickC_Pre2 | (for the time being) |
| 04:23.09 | NickNick | next would be re-doctor probably |
| 04:23.16 | NickNick | do they have the same patches? |
| 04:24.46 | PatrickC_Pre2 | almost exactly the same |
| 04:25.00 | PatrickC_Pre2 | and they are both OCed to 1GHz |
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| 05:48.48 | bhuey | stupid question time |
| 05:48.58 | bhuey | how do I know that the optware feeds are correct ? |
| 05:49.17 | PatrickC_Pre2 | what do you mean? |
| 05:49.19 | bhuey | I'm not able to install 'less' with ipkg-opt install less....for instance |
| 05:50.11 | bhuey | the ipkg and ipkg-opt binaries are installed |
| 05:55.27 | rwhitby | ipkg-opt update |
| 05:55.57 | bhuey | nothing happened |
| 05:56.17 | bhuey | tried that already |
| 05:56.20 | bhuey | I have preware here |
| 05:56.24 | bhuey | and quick install |
| 05:56.39 | bhuey | so I can either reinstall or install those packages if you think it'll help |
| 05:58.16 | bhuey | trying to set up my environment so that I can use it like a normal Linux box, etc... |
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| 05:58.26 | bhuey | any suggestions ? |
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| 06:06.55 | bhuey | this is 2.1 btw |
| 06:07.00 | bhuey | meta-doctored |
| 06:10.27 | bhuey | got it :) |
| 06:10.43 | bhuey | wrong version of the program |
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| 06:59.36 | PatrickC_Pre2 | nite |
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| 07:59.50 | DaemnChyld | hi everyone |
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