| 00:09.05 | Nuttybunny_ | palm.com/profile ?? |
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| 01:59.56 | PatrickC_Pre2 | oil: you here? my preware is saying that an app (lumberjack) was last released in November last year.. |
| 02:00.03 | PatrickC_Pre2 | or anyone that could help |
| 02:00.47 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I'm checking now to see if it still says it |
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| 03:11.29 | jd1 | hows the palm comunity doing? |
| 03:21.28 | joeb_ | ugh |
| 03:21.35 | joeb_ | im gonna have to go back to 1.4.5 |
| 03:21.57 | joeb_ | this gps is killing me .. i have done the #*477# thing and keep hitting fix and it just isn't working |
| 03:29.53 | joeb_ | anyone perfering 1.4.5 or 2.1 ? |
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| 03:40.40 | destinal | rwhitby: John C Dvorak is a moron. |
| 03:41.26 | rwhitby | A moron with reach though. |
| 03:42.15 | destinal | rwhitby: true. and actually he may be smarter than he seems and just says dumb / naive things to get attention |
| 03:43.25 | destinal | hmm, would that make him a well circulated mass media troll? |
| 03:47.04 | joeb_ | ok .. how do i manually sync everything to google as far as teh calendars i just made on my device and the contacts ? |
| 03:50.25 | joeb_ | just sync now in accounts ? |
| 03:52.21 | destinal | joeb_: if your accounts are already set up I thought that stuff was pretty near real time |
| 03:52.58 | joeb_ | destinal: i have had many times doctoring etc .. that the contacts / calendars don't update to gmail |
| 03:53.01 | joeb_ | there just on the device |
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| 03:53.42 | destinal | joeb_: that's very strange |
| 03:54.13 | destinal | mine are always in sync with my google account ever since adding the google profile to email, contacts, calendar, etc. |
| 03:54.33 | destinal | not sure what can cause that issue offhand |
| 03:54.56 | rwhitby | you need to set google to be the default account for new items |
| 03:56.23 | joeb_ | k coo |
| 03:56.25 | joeb_ | thanks |
| 04:00.12 | PatrickC_Pre2 | rwhitby: preware is showing wrong release dates for me on some apps |
| 04:00.58 | PatrickC_Pre2 | but it is only happening on one of my devices.. that's what I think is weird.. |
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| 04:24.46 | RagingMind | joeb_, I've never had luck with gps on 1.4.5 or 2.1 |
| 04:30.15 | joeb_ | yea |
| 04:30.25 | joeb_ | wow RagingMind i just doctored to 1.4.5 and still gps is still sucking |
| 04:31.02 | RagingMind | who's your provider? and you *did* remember to enable gps, right? |
| 04:31.39 | joeb_ | yes i enabled gps and im doing gps fix right now #*477# |
| 04:31.52 | joeb_ | i should turn off wifi |
| 04:32.28 | RagingMind | wifi shouldn't matter |
| 04:32.33 | joeb_ | i know |
| 04:32.35 | joeb_ | im trying everything |
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| 04:33.45 | joeb_ | off topic i love th eminem mosh song(video) |
| 04:33.48 | joeb_ | k back to topic |
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| 06:30.08 | ice8lue | heyho |
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| 06:38.33 | Saij | Hey, anyone around? |
| 06:39.46 | NuttyBunny | hey |
| 06:39.57 | Saij | Ah, how goes? |
| 06:40.19 | NuttyBunny | nothing much, trying to compile some dependencies that I broke :) |
| 06:40.32 | Saij | Haha, nice. Sounds like you're a dev then :P |
| 06:40.45 | Saij | Unfortunately, I'm an end-user, and like most, I've got a question |
| 06:41.34 | ka6sox-home | <<<mock horror |
| 06:41.51 | Saij | :P |
| 06:42.05 | ka6sox-home | its late...good evening |
| 06:42.09 | Saij | Just wait, it gets better. I've a ATT Pixi+ that refuses to activate/FirstUse over WiFi |
| 06:42.10 | destrudo | I need to change the IRQ's on my pre |
| 06:42.14 | destrudo | how do I do this? |
| 06:42.14 | destrudo | lol |
| 06:42.40 | Saij | Despite using meta-doctored version, also devicetool, and even PreWare/Show FirstUSe app |
| 06:42.56 | Saij | all have failed, the thing just won't do it unless the SIM is in and the 2G radio is on |
| 06:43.17 | ka6sox-home | Saij, back up a few |
| 06:43.31 | Saij | Mm? |
| 06:43.46 | ka6sox-home | its a GSM phone and you are doing what with the 2G radio? |
| 06:43.56 | ka6sox-home | also which model of phone? |
| 06:43.56 | Saij | Well, 2G/3G radio |
| 06:44.02 | Saij | Pixi+ ATT |
| 06:44.28 | NuttyBunny | I've read about a secret sms sent to your device upon login to your profile |
| 06:44.32 | ka6sox-home | okay, thats helpful. |
| 06:45.00 | Saij | That SMS I've not gotten, but I did get the Palm Profile activation email which I did activate. The Profile is valid and I can login to it |
| 06:45.29 | Saij | The sticking issue is, ATT will force a dataplan on me if I put the SIM in to activate the device. I can't have that |
| 06:45.53 | Saij | I have no intention of ever using this as a phone, only a WiFi toy/email sync |
| 06:46.18 | NuttyBunny | But you want to log in to your profile so you can access the app catalog? |
| 06:46.20 | ka6sox-home | Saij, did you put in wifi profiles? |
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| 06:46.39 | Saij | Yeah, I want the appstore plus contact sync, etc for facebook/messaging |
| 06:47.06 | Saij | Yeah, I did the meta-doctor with the WiFI profile option. I got the profile off the device and patched it as instructed |
| 06:47.18 | Saij | There were no errors and as far as I can tell, it all worked (ish). |
| 06:48.05 | ka6sox-home | okay so you are trying to create a profile and thats failing? |
| 06:48.35 | Saij | Well, not really. I have a valid profile from the 1st time I activated the device and found out they gave me a dataplan over it. |
| 06:48.44 | Saij | I'm trying to just login to that profile over WiFi |
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| 06:49.07 | ka6sox-home | you should be able to do that...I did with mine |
| 06:49.13 | Saij | from what i'm reading, it looks like the Verizon/Sprint devices work with the wifi patched doctor, but not the ATT devices |
| 06:49.44 | ka6sox-home | oh, I remember how I dealt with AT&T |
| 06:49.51 | Saij | O_O |
| 06:49.55 | ka6sox-home | I bought a Sim Card with $10 on it... |
| 06:50.00 | ka6sox-home | and activated |
| 06:50.00 | Saij | haha, brilliant |
| 06:50.05 | ka6sox-home | then removed the sim. |
| 06:50.08 | Saij | are you US? |
| 06:50.13 | ka6sox-home | yes, |
| 06:50.15 | Saij | I wouldn't even know where to pick one up here |
| 06:50.22 | halfhalo | att store |
| 06:50.27 | ka6sox-home | where are you? |
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| 06:50.39 | ka6sox-home | halfhalo, thats where I got that one. |
| 06:50.40 | Saij | Northern NY. I'm looking for where to purcahse one now |
| 06:50.46 | ice8lue | did someone also have strange thing happening with the latest uberkernel for 2.1.0 on pre-? |
| 06:51.38 | ka6sox-home | ATT store |
| 06:51.41 | Saij | Excuse the ignorance, but what is halfhalo? |
| 06:51.43 | Saij | Ah |
| 06:51.55 | Saij | oh wow, its late and I just depred |
| 06:52.00 | Saij | *derped |
| 06:52.13 | ka6sox-home | a half-life halo |
| 06:52.22 | halfhalo | is a crazy type of mammal found on the west coast of america |
| 06:52.45 | Saij | Haha, nice :P |
| 06:52.59 | Saij | So, I just go into the store and ask for a prepaid sim? |
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| 06:53.10 | ka6sox-home | yes |
| 06:53.23 | ka6sox-home | and I used that to activate a pixi plus (gsm) |
| 06:53.24 | halfhalo | lucked out and had a spare activated sim to use |
| 06:53.48 | Saij | Wow, simple but odd. Is there a short reason why ATT ones are so picky? |
| 06:54.00 | ka6sox-home | Greed? |
| 06:54.22 | Saij | I really hope they don't peg me with another data plan, I was trying to get the first-use app to run over wifi with 2g/3g radios turned off but SIM in (thought I was being smart) and then it turned the radios on lol |
| 06:54.33 | Saij | bastard thing |
| 06:55.01 | Saij | Yeah, I guess greed about covers it. Never thought ATT was more or less greedy than VZW or Sprint though |
| 06:55.06 | ka6sox-home | I didn't do first use |
| 06:55.18 | ka6sox-home | I did login to the profile only |
| 06:55.26 | Saij | how does one do that? |
| 06:55.49 | ka6sox-home | trying to remember now... |
| 06:55.51 | Saij | is it wrong to love the pixi+ despite its limitations |
| 06:55.56 | ka6sox-home | its been like 7months |
| 06:55.56 | Saij | webOS is friggin slick |
| 06:56.11 | Saij | pixi+ with pre3 hardware = perfection |
| 06:56.23 | ka6sox-home | the pixiplus is very nice |
| 06:56.41 | Saij | Yeah, just wish it was compatible with the 3d apps and such. No webOS 2.x is a real bummer |
| 06:56.57 | Saij | I can't believe they committed to it then backed off. I really hope their "suprise" is worth it :\ |
| 06:57.26 | ka6sox-home | Saij, you never know whats possible...I certainly don't |
| 06:57.57 | ka6sox-home | <<<mushroom |
| 06:58.01 | Saij | True. From reading, it seems highly unlikely they'll release a webOS 2.x for Pixi+ due to it using ARM6 and not ARM7 |
| 06:58.18 | Saij | and not being "powerful" enough |
| 06:58.46 | ka6sox-home | for some things it beats a pre2 |
| 06:58.51 | ka6sox-home | (but not many) |
| 06:59.17 | Saij | Pre2 was more or less the same hardware as the Pre+ correct? |
| 06:59.17 | ka6sox-home | okay I need to finish an upgrade here so I can go to sleep... |
| 06:59.28 | ka6sox-home | I wouldn't say that |
| 06:59.32 | ka6sox-home | its in the same series |
| 06:59.36 | ka6sox-home | but not the same. |
| 06:59.57 | ka6sox-home | 3630 vs 3430 |
| 07:00.02 | ka6sox-home | 1Ghz |
| 07:00.05 | ka6sox-home | etc |
| 07:00.17 | Saij | Okay, so an upgrade to be sure. |
| 07:00.21 | Saij | My mistake |
| 07:00.27 | ka6sox-home | yes |
| 07:00.45 | ka6sox-home | very very smooth |
| 07:01.03 | Saij | Ah, you've used one? |
| 07:01.16 | ka6sox-home | one last stab @ prodding the pixi's GPS to do what I want. |
| 07:01.25 | Saij | And what is that exactly? |
| 07:01.28 | ka6sox-home | Saij, yup... |
| 07:01.43 | Saij | May I ask what you develop? Or are you tweaking/hacking for personal? |
| 07:02.03 | ka6sox-home | Saij, I am hoping to get altitude information out of it. |
| 07:02.16 | ka6sox-home | but I don't think its in the strings |
| 07:02.21 | Saij | Ah, okay. That information is typically not terribly precise in GPS sensors |
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| 07:02.40 | ka6sox-home | try NO information |
| 07:03.03 | Saij | Haha, yeah, I can see that. Its not often used for more than a best-guess. Most GPS hardware will include an actual altimeter to supplement/replace that data |
| 07:03.04 | ka6sox-home | well..I see the /dev/nmea device |
| 07:03.27 | NuttyBunny | c-ya later people :) |
| 07:03.38 | ka6sox-home | I would like to geotag and altitude tag the pix I'm taking with it. |
| 07:03.38 | Saij | later, thanks! |
| 07:03.44 | ka6sox-home | NuttyBunny-ZZZZZ, nite nite |
| 07:04.01 | Saij | Whoa, that would certainly be quite cool. |
| 07:04.22 | ka6sox-home | I have a very specific task however... |
| 07:04.30 | ka6sox-home | so thats why |
| 07:04.40 | Saij | ah |
| 07:04.42 | ka6sox-home | 1 time use...and hope it survives. |
| 07:04.51 | Saij | pixi+ rocket to space? |
| 07:04.59 | ka6sox-home | Balloon |
| 07:05.03 | Saij | even better |
| 07:05.05 | Saij | wicked man! |
| 07:05.36 | ka6sox-home | did the calcs for a failure of the 'chute...not pretty |
| 07:06.00 | Saij | instant death? |
| 07:06.41 | ka6sox-home | I need to get with a friend and see if 6" of foam is enough to make it survive (enough crush) |
| 07:06.47 | Saij | le shit. the webos doctor stopped progressing. Safe to pull the plug and retry? |
| 07:07.01 | ka6sox-home | not usually |
| 07:07.05 | ka6sox-home | wait for it. |
| 07:07.20 | Saij | its been stuck at 64% for a long time now |
| 07:07.44 | ka6sox-home | ah, well...read the doctor troubleshooting docs on the wiki |
| 07:07.59 | Saij | yeah, says modem firmware |
| 07:08.11 | ka6sox-home | ugh...not pretty |
| 07:09.06 | Saij | thank god i was taking the time to read, it went directly to 72% haha |
| 07:09.20 | ka6sox-home | thats why I say wait... |
| 07:09.25 | Saij | haha :P |
| 07:09.52 | Saij | I don't think I'll be tweaking with much PreWare patches this time. That got me into this mess :C |
| 07:09.55 | ka6sox-home | I've probably flashed quite a bit...and you think its stuck and its just verifying... |
| 07:10.19 | Saij | There seems to be much modability in this platform, its pretty cool |
| 07:10.41 | ka6sox-home | okay, turning on nav and sniffing the nmea device |
| 07:12.21 | ka6sox-home | bleh...must have something wrong.. |
| 07:12.29 | ka6sox-home | unless its not locked up yet. |
| 07:13.23 | ka6sox-home | might have to hack the warthog I think...rats. |
| 07:13.27 | Saij | ? |
| 07:13.32 | ka6sox-home | kernel |
| 07:13.41 | Saij | warthog is the overclock kernel? |
| 07:14.01 | ka6sox-home | yes |
| 07:14.22 | ka6sox-home | i don't need 'overclock' just the ability to add features... |
| 07:14.48 | Saij | ahh okay |
| 07:15.04 | ice8lue | somehow my pre- 2.1.0 seems faster @600MHz Palm kernel than on 600MHz UK |
| 07:15.13 | ice8lue | also the screen problems are gone |
| 07:15.36 | ka6sox-home | ice8lue, did you bug report that with examples? |
| 07:15.49 | ice8lue | no not until now |
| 07:15.56 | ice8lue | in the forum thread? |
| 07:16.15 | ka6sox-home | there is a bugtracker for things too. |
| 07:16.35 | ice8lue | where? |
| 07:16.58 | ka6sox-home | lemme see if that is setup |
| 07:17.05 | ka6sox-home | you are talking UK on 2.X right? |
| 07:17.43 | ice8lue | yap |
| 07:17.50 | ice8lue | 2.1.0-18 i think |
| 07:19.12 | ka6sox-home | ice8lue, what are the "screen' problems? |
| 07:19.12 | Saij | Hm, I'm out ka6sox, thank you for the assistance |
| 07:19.22 | ka6sox-home | Saij, np...good night |
| 07:19.27 | Saij | I'll be getting a prepaid SIM tomorrow and likely cancelling my new dataplan |
| 07:19.33 | ice8lue | it was glitchy..sometimes touching itself, moving icons and so on |
| 07:19.52 | Saij | Do you have Wiki edit capabiltiy on webos-internal? I'd suggest a footnote about this for the metadoctor section |
| 07:19.53 | ice8lue | sometimes it won't recognize touches at all (had to turn off/turn on) |
| 07:20.34 | Saij | when my Pixi+ ignores input, i just short-press the power button (to turn off screen) and turn screen back on and its always okay |
| 07:21.20 | ice8lue | scrolling was 'stottering' (specially in preware apps feed, sometimes scrolls up/down by itself, clicks on entries itself) |
| 07:21.44 | ka6sox-home | Saij, you are talking about sleeping it then waking it up fixes what? |
| 07:22.08 | ice8lue | ya, same for me |
| 07:22.16 | Saij | Fixes the Pixi+ when it doesn't respond to touch input. Maybe it clears up an action queue or something, but it always works |
| 07:22.27 | ka6sox-home | ice8lue, thats the opposite of what I saw most people reporting. |
| 07:23.28 | ka6sox-home | Saij, okay...I"ve not done that with any of my pixi's |
| 07:23.30 | ice8lue | but the self-touching is annoying and i did not have that with the uk testing versions before 18 |
| 07:23.50 | ka6sox-home | "self-touching"? |
| 07:23.58 | ice8lue | yes |
| 07:24.09 | Saij | Sounds like he's saying the device will activate an entry/icon etc without a screen press |
| 07:24.11 | ice8lue | it randomly cklicks arround on the screen |
| 07:24.16 | ice8lue | yes |
| 07:24.18 | Saij | sort of like a wonky touchpad driver |
| 07:24.35 | Saij | Can capactive touch screens be recalibrated? |
| 07:24.47 | ice8lue | well i just doctored it maybe 5hours ago because of that |
| 07:24.50 | ka6sox-home | tries to imagine how that driver gets wonked |
| 07:24.57 | Saij | What environment are you in? Has the device recieved any electric shocks? |
| 07:25.14 | ice8lue | no, at least i can't imagine how |
| 07:25.16 | ka6sox-home | Saij, calibration is a token iirc |
| 07:25.26 | Saij | token as in not needed? |
| 07:25.39 | ice8lue | it never fall down, get wet,... |
| 07:25.40 | ka6sox-home | no as in done 1X, at the factory |
| 07:25.54 | Saij | Ah, okay. Fixed then... that isn't ideal IMO |
| 07:26.20 | ka6sox-home | capacitive screens are suseptable to static |
| 07:26.26 | Saij | Well, the only things that would cause the capacitive sensing to go awry would be physical damage to the glass and interference, right? |
| 07:26.32 | ka6sox-home | so sometimes they go wonky that way. |
| 07:26.47 | Saij | Thats what I'm thinking. |
| 07:26.49 | ka6sox-home | static charge but not often. |
| 07:27.07 | ka6sox-home | I use a LOT of capacitive TS and mostly its not an issue |
| 07:28.07 | ka6sox-home | okay its 3:30am east coast and 00:30 here on the Left Coast so I'm out too. |
| 07:28.41 | Saij | haha, yeah. Thanks for the assist man :) |
| 07:28.45 | Saij | good luck with the alt data |
| 07:28.54 | ice8lue | ^^good night ;) |
| 07:29.06 | ka6sox-home | ya, I'm going to have to set it up as a separate stream.. |
| 07:29.16 | ka6sox-home | and hope.. |
| 07:30.04 | ka6sox-home | I can make the pre- one work but would rather not fly a pre (heavier) |
| 07:30.50 | ice8lue | what are u trying to do? |
| 07:31.19 | ka6sox-home | geotag/alt into/accellerometer tag pictures. |
| 07:31.36 | ka6sox-home | s/into/info/ |
| 07:31.44 | ka6sox-home | ~ugt |
| 07:31.44 | infobot | well, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 07:31.47 | ka6sox-home | there. |
| 07:32.24 | ka6sox-home | but a pre is MUCH heavier |
| 07:32.44 | ice8lue | ya |
| 07:33.32 | ka6sox-home | I need a "dead" battery...so I can "fix" it so it uses the craft's power buss.. |
| 07:34.05 | ice8lue | just got some alive ones here |
| 07:34.30 | ka6sox-home | bootie will scream if I don't have the chip in there. |
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| 07:35.07 | ka6sox-home | oh well...another "task" to be done |
| 07:35.34 | ice8lue | at least it never gets boring ;) |
| 07:35.45 | ka6sox-home | nope... |
| 07:36.15 | ka6sox-home | I could fake it but I don't want to have the MSP do that too. |
| 07:37.31 | ka6sox-home | the msp is busy enough. |
| 07:38.23 | ka6sox-home | unless...I use it to get the GPS info out too. |
| 07:39.28 | ka6sox-home | I like that idea. |
| 07:39.29 | ice8lue | hmm |
| 07:40.20 | ka6sox-home | means another kernel mod. |
| 07:40.25 | ka6sox-home | but it would be FAST. |
| 07:40.31 | ka6sox-home | and clean |
| 07:40.36 | ice8lue | sounds nice =) |
| 07:41.26 | ka6sox-home | I can have the 1-wire master push the data out |
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| 07:42.36 | ka6sox-home | and have the MSP take that data and fake back the battery stuffs. |
| 07:42.49 | ice8lue | will that be a public kernel mod? |
| 07:43.00 | ka6sox-home | ice8lue, probably not |
| 07:43.09 | ka6sox-home | nobody else will use it. |
| 07:43.22 | ice8lue | too bad |
| 07:44.04 | ka6sox-home | its going to be a serious "hack" to do that... |
| 07:44.53 | ka6sox-home | essentially bypassing the battery health stuff |
| 07:45.37 | ka6sox-home | okay that does solve 2 problems |
| 07:46.22 | ice8lue | =) you will get that working |
| 07:46.34 | ice8lue | and i will go to work now ;) |
| 07:46.42 | ka6sox-home | ouch...you in .eu? |
| 07:46.48 | ice8lue | ya germany |
| 07:46.55 | ka6sox-home | kk... |
| 07:47.08 | ice8lue | good luck, cu |
| 07:47.09 | ka6sox-home | the msp only draws <1milliamp so its ideal. |
| 07:47.12 | ka6sox-home | nite nite |
| 07:54.39 | Raanan | hi all. |
| 07:56.21 | Raanan | i'm new and trying to compile the pdk. I get the foloweing error in the common/bison package. |
| 07:56.34 | Raanan | configure.ac:22: version `UNKNOWN' doesn't follow Gnits standards |
| 07:56.42 | Raanan | and it stops. |
| 07:57.31 | Raanan | can someone help ? |
| 08:05.31 | rwhitby | pdk or widk ? |
| 08:14.09 | Raanan | widk |
| 08:14.31 | Raanan | seems build-aux/git-version-gen .tarball-version in bison returns UNKNOWN |
| 08:18.49 | Raanan | as there is no .tarball-version file it fails. |
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| 08:33.01 | Raanan | ok. copied the .tarball-version file from the src directory to the arm7 directory and it compiles ok. |
| 08:33.33 | Raanan | .tarball-version file containas the bison version number in one line 2.4 thats all. |
| 08:37.11 | rwhitby | what host OS are you using? |
| 08:37.40 | Raanan | started from ubuntu 9.10 in virtualbox vm |
| 08:37.54 | Raanan | upgraded it to 10.04 |
| 08:37.59 | Raanan | tall server versions |
| 08:38.07 | Raanan | all server versions |
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| 08:39.33 | Raanan | another error in : /srv/preware/cross-compile/packages/dev-sdl/libsdl-gfx/build/armv7 |
| 08:39.43 | Raanan | configure.in:113: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_SDL |
| 08:40.04 | Raanan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.15 | Raanan | this line : AM_PATH_SDL($SDL_VERSION, |
| 08:48.15 | Raanan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.15 | Raanan | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.15 | Raanan | ) |
| 08:48.34 | Raanan | in arm7 directory configure script returns an error |
| 08:48.56 | Raanan | ./configure: line 16030: syntax error near unexpected token `$SDL_VERSION,' |
| 08:48.56 | Raanan | ./configure: line 16030: `AM_PATH_SDL($SDL_VERSION,' |
| 08:48.56 | Raanan | make: *** [config.status] Error 2 |
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| 13:31.51 | ice8lue | heyho |
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| 14:44.55 | NuttyBunny | hi |
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| 15:19.26 | RagingMind | hi NuttyBunny-ZZZZZ |
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| 15:36.46 | RagingMind | hello again NuttyBunny |
| 15:37.02 | NuttyBunny | hello again :) |
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| 18:47.28 | joeb_ | im having issues with webos quick install . i just flashed back to 1.4.5 .. i downloaded the webosquickinstall.jar right |
| 18:47.50 | RagingMind | k..? |
| 18:47.50 | joeb_ | it ask what carrier and what pre i have .. i hit downloaad and it just waits .. nothing happens it actually disappers |
| 18:48.13 | RagingMind | I normally download the doctor on my own and name it like it asks |
| 18:48.44 | joeb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.53 | joeb_ | im downloading webosquickinstall to get preware on the phone |
| 18:48.59 | MetaView | yes |
| 18:49.06 | MetaView | and what asks for carrier? |
| 18:49.11 | joeb_ | one sec |
| 18:49.18 | RagingMind | the old versions of quick install require the webos doctor to work |
| 18:49.24 | RagingMind | but the new version shouldn't |
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| 18:53.58 | joeb_ | RagingMind: or MetaView http://i53.tinypic.com/rctxtv.png |
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| 18:59.18 | MetaView | too late |
| 18:59.25 | PatrickC_Pre2 | for what? |
| 18:59.57 | MetaView | for an answer |
| 19:00.41 | PatrickC_Pre2 | to what? I'm lost lol |
| 19:01.14 | MetaView | you came too late, there was a question about wosqi, but he was using an outdated version, as it seems |
| 19:01.32 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ah ok |
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| 19:09.33 | spartango | has anyone looked at/tried merging the android kernel patch set (for 2.6.2X, with/without omap) with the webos kernel patches? |
| 19:09.53 | PatrickC_Pre2 | why would u? |
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| 19:13.03 | joeb_ | RagingMind: WOSQI worked with 4.0 |
| 19:13.14 | PatrickC_Pre2 | cool |
| 19:13.38 | RagingMind | :) |
| 19:14.19 | PatrickC_Pre2 | what's goin on joeb_ |
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| 19:17.31 | joeb_ | PatrickC_Pre2: nothing |
| 19:17.48 | spartango | PatrickC_Pre2 i mean yeah webos is nice, it might be a neat exercise to run some android pieces (maybe even get dalvik up?) |
| 19:18.04 | PatrickC_Pre2 | well, I'm tryin to buy a battery, and a holster... |
| 19:18.16 | PatrickC_Pre2 | spartango: you an if you want too.. I guess |
| 19:18.19 | spartango | cause building standalone dalvik is basically impossible, it relies on some hacks. |
| 19:18.34 | spartango | i mean i was looking at the patch sets... |
| 19:19.12 | spartango | but looking isn't the same as applying them, one after the other. |
| 19:19.46 | spartango | correct me if I'm wrong, but looking through the palm stuff, looks like its mostly just OMAP compatibility |
| 19:19.48 | spartango | no real hacks. |
| 19:20.34 | RagingMind | is experimenting with ways to build a suitable debian image to chroot into on the pre |
| 19:20.41 | RagingMind | SO many options, heh |
| 19:20.54 | PatrickC_Pre2 | lol |
| 19:21.14 | PatrickC_Pre2 | what is considered a design image? like any ubuntu? |
| 19:21.39 | destinal | RagingMind: I've played with a chroot to the debsmall image linked from here http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian |
| 19:21.48 | RagingMind | destinal, yeah I was reading that |
| 19:22.08 | RagingMind | and I didn't like having to download an image... I wanted to create my own up-to-date image |
| 19:22.17 | RagingMind | and figure out how to customize it |
| 19:22.29 | destinal | spartango: palm's kernel is based on a non maInline TI OMAP port and there's board specific stuff for pre and roadrunner. |
| 19:22.37 | destinal | err pre and pre2 (castle/roadrunner) |
| 19:22.45 | spartango | rigt. |
| 19:22.48 | RagingMind | it took me a little while to figure out what I was missing with debootstrap, heh |
| 19:24.09 | spartango | so destinal in principle the android patches should be mappable [obviously with a bunch of work], in that they aren't really hardware things (common-branch) |
| 19:24.17 | RagingMind | which embedded linux distro is webos based on? I always forget |
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| 19:54.55 | MetaView | when updating the patch of someone else, can I just add my email and name to the existing one? |
| 19:56.15 | PatrickC_Pre2 | was wondering that too |
| 19:56.29 | MetaView | I skipped the email address |
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| 20:33.19 | PatrickC_Pre2 | metaview: what patch did you update? |
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| 20:46.44 | destinal | RagingMind: webos is based on openembedded |
| 20:53.26 | MetaView | PatrickC_Pre2: no refresh after idle in browser |
| 20:53.35 | MetaView | g'night |
| 20:54.15 | PatrickC_Pre2 | cool |
| 20:54.16 | PatrickC_Pre2 | night |
| 21:04.29 | RagingMind | destinal, I think I have pseudo script set up that outlines all the steps to making a basic debian image that can be loop mounted and chrooted into on the Pre :) |
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| 21:15.54 | PatrickC_Pre2 | how come this patch isn't in preware? |
| 21:15.58 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ^^ http://forums.precentral.net/homebrew-apps/278796-synergy-messaging-plugins-webos-2-x.html#post2914013 |
| 21:16.29 | joeb_ | can you tab complete on the xterm ? |
| 21:16.39 | PatrickC_Pre2 | tab complete? |
| 21:16.51 | joeb_ | well complete |
| 21:17.18 | PatrickC_Pre2 | like enter? I'm still a n00b to linux cmd line :p |
| 21:18.10 | joeb_ | nope |
| 21:18.16 | joeb_ | ugh |
| 21:18.20 | joeb_ | oh nvm sorry |
| 21:18.32 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ok |
| 21:18.47 | PatrickC_Pre2 | still on 2.1? |
| 21:18.48 | joeb_ | PatrickC_Pre2: basically intead of typeing /home/joeb i can type /home<tab> and it will tab complete the rest of the thing |
| 21:19.01 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ah |
| 21:19.15 | Frost | ...and the answer is "yes you can" |
| 21:19.22 | joeb_ | Frost: oo how ? |
| 21:19.22 | Frost | meta+I |
| 21:19.48 | PatrickC_Pre2 | hay frost |
| 21:19.52 | Frost | PatrickC_Pre2: hello |
| 21:19.53 | joeb_ | good stuff Frost |
| 21:19.58 | Frost | joeb_: np |
| 21:20.31 | PatrickC_Pre2 | found out that you *can* facebook chat on webOS 2.1 :D |
| 21:22.17 | Frost | joeb_: you don't happen to know how I tell xterm that I want to press "the escape key" |
| 21:22.45 | joeb_ | Frost: how ? |
| 21:23.28 | Frost | joeb_: oh, I meant that as a question... I tried to use vi in xterm, and I'm having some problems with going back to normal mode |
| 21:23.58 | PatrickC_Pre2 | is totally lost in all the Linux speak :p |
| 21:24.24 | Frost | PatrickC_Pre2: You should try it sometime, it's really good :) |
| 21:24.38 | Frost | I'm more of a mac guy though |
| 21:24.53 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I have XUbuntu up and running in a VBox, but I'm gonna try to get regular Ubuntu running |
| 21:25.01 | PatrickC_Pre2 | or, is there a better distro? |
| 21:26.01 | PatrickC_Pre2 | hmm.. can I use cmd line tools when in recovery mode? |
| 21:26.32 | joeb_ | Frost: nope sorry |
| 21:26.52 | Frost | joeb_: No worries, I found it by googling: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:X |
| 21:27.08 | Frost | Any Ubuntu-based distro is a good start, I'd say. It's as user-friendly as Linux distros come. |
| 21:28.02 | PatrickC_Pre2 | after I master Ubuntu, then what do you suggest? (what do you run?) |
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| 21:28.31 | Frost | Mac OS X :) |
| 21:28.45 | Frost | (on a PC) |
| 21:29.00 | PatrickC_Pre2 | is there a free distro of that? :D |
| 21:29.01 | Frost | No, but seriously, I think ubuntu's a good distro. |
| 21:29.04 | PatrickC_Pre2 | that is legal |
| 21:29.30 | Frost | in sweden it's legal |
| 21:29.37 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ok, I'll try to get it running soon |
| 21:29.55 | PatrickC_Pre2 | wait, MacOSX on a PC is legal is sweden??? |
| 21:30.23 | Frost | PatrickC_Pre2: Yeah... It still breaks the EULA, but the EULA is not legally binding under swedish law. |
| 21:30.34 | PatrickC_Pre2 | oh.. ok then... |
| 21:30.52 | PatrickC_Pre2 | :'( |
| 21:31.31 | Davide-NYC | Question: What are the chances of getting the PalmOS Classic support baked into the meta-doctor scripts? |
| 21:31.57 | Davide-NYC | Follow-Up question: why is Flash support not baked into the scripts? |
| 21:32.46 | Davide-NYC | Is it a legal issue, or a technical issue? |
| 21:33.45 | Davide-NYC | I'm referring to the WebOS 2.x upgrade script. (of course) |
| 21:34.55 | PatrickC_Pre2 | have you upgraded to 2.1? |
| 21:38.40 | destinal | PatrickC_Pre2: if you buy a legal copy of OSX for personal use on non apple hardware, (and just that, not to sell it or anything) I doubt that apple could enforce that EULA. |
| 21:39.10 | PatrickC_Pre2 | well, I'm still gonna save up for a mac (better hardware) |
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| 21:41.32 | Loudergood | eh, at least compared to the $300 laptops I guess it is |
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| 21:42.11 | Loudergood | most other manufacturers you have to get the business class stuff to get that kind of build quality |
| 21:42.36 | Loudergood | I've been scouring craigslist for a cheap mac mini, no luck so far |
| 21:43.38 | halfhalo | pokes his mac mini with a stick |
| 21:44.16 | Loudergood | it's increasingly a pain in my ass not being too familiar with the platform |
| 21:44.32 | SineOt | I've got a G4 Mini I could sell you for cheap :p |
| 21:44.41 | SineOt | Be kind of useless now though! |
| 21:45.24 | Loudergood | haha |
| 21:45.28 | Loudergood | I can find those cheap |
| 21:53.41 | PatrickC_Pre2 | sineot: how much? lol |
| 21:53.48 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I'll take it for $5 ;) |
| 21:53.54 | SineOt | not 5 :p |
| 21:53.59 | PatrickC_Pre2 | hehe |
| 21:54.15 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ok, fine.. $7.50 is my final offer |
| 21:54.26 | SineOt | It'd cost me more than that to ship it |
| 21:55.19 | PatrickC_Pre2 | is it the 256 or the 512? |
| 21:55.31 | SineOt | huh? |
| 21:55.36 | PatrickC_Pre2 | RAM |
| 21:55.41 | PatrickC_Pre2 | or more? |
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| 21:55.55 | SineOt | pet, why would I run that thing stock? :T |
| 21:56.02 | SineOt | it's got a gig of DDR2 in it |
| 21:56.18 | SineOt | pet? damn you OSX autocorrect @_@ |
| 21:56.19 | PatrickC_Pre2 | lol.. that makes it worth a *little* more.. |
| 21:56.41 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I was wonderin... :p |
| 21:56.56 | Loudergood | lol |
| 21:57.26 | SineOt | I can recycle it and get paid ~45$ for it, soooooooOOOOOOO |
| 21:57.52 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ok then.. you pay shiping, and I pay you $45.01 |
| 21:58.00 | PatrickC_Pre2 | deal ;) |
| 21:58.22 | SineOt | Nuuuupe |
| 22:01.31 | PatrickC_Pre2 | who was working on facebook chat for 2.x in here? I thought someone was |
| 22:04.13 | RagingMind | 160MB for a fresh debian chroot... I'm sure I can get that down more if I wanted |
| 22:04.21 | RagingMind | but it's really not all that bad |
| 22:04.44 | PatrickC_Pre2 | coo |
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| 22:04.50 | PatrickC_Pre2 | s/coo/cool/ |
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| 22:50.28 | Davide-NYC | No one feels compelled to answer my questions about the meta-doctor classic/flash integration? |
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| 22:52.11 | m0ngr31 | so if i put a sprint pre radio in a pre 2, i don't need to transfer the tokens right? |
| 22:56.51 | ajay | Davide-NYC: i have no knowledge of your q nor flash integration, but i take it you have questions not answered on the wiki page? |
| 22:57.35 | ajay | m0ngr31: i thought that was the scenario that required a token transfer? |
| 22:57.35 | Davide-NYC | ajay: essentially I'm just asking why classic support and flash support isn't baked into the meta-doctor process. |
| 22:57.47 | halfhalo | legal reasons |
| 22:57.52 | Davide-NYC | Is it a legal issue or a technicall issue |
| 22:57.59 | Davide-NYC | Thank you. |
| 22:58.13 | ajay | Davide-NYC: oh yeah I can't answer that.. :) It doesn't sound like flash on a Pre/+ is that hot of a thing to have either.. |
| 22:58.38 | Davide-NYC | have both running, but I had to do the baking myself, |
| 22:58.53 | ajay | legal reasons? I wouldn't have guessed, since they're not redistributing anything.. |
| 22:59.26 | ajay | see yaz! |
| 22:59.36 | m0ngr31 | ajay: i know it was required, but i heard that it works without transfering them on webos 2, so i just wanted to make sure |
| 23:00.30 | ajay | m0ngr31: i'd save them (and anything else possible) to be safe is all i know.. :) |
| 23:01.08 | m0ngr31 | yeah, i was planning on it, i just didn't want to do it if it wasn't necessary... |
| 23:02.39 | SineOt | I don't think it's a legal reason so much as a technical one in that no one has coded it yet |
| 23:02.52 | SineOt | Metadoctor will already pull bits and pieces from other doctors to put in :p |
| 23:12.35 | m0ngr31 | so do you guys know if i need to tokens if i switch radios and use 2.1 instead of 1.4.5? |
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| 23:19.19 | joeb_ | im taking my pre plus back |
| 23:19.24 | joeb_ | some issues |
| 23:19.42 | joeb_ | i tried to wipe it with 1.4.5 meta-doctor .. it looks fine but when i reboot it had #webos-internals logo lmao |
| 23:19.56 | joeb_ | how do i do a clean uninstall of everything ? |
| 23:20.08 | joeb_ | should i just re-doctor back and go to device info from there ? |
| 23:21.08 | SineOt | Just doctor it with the stock 1.4.5 doctor, no need to do a metadoctor build for it |
| 23:21.12 | joeb_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.44 | SineOt | Doctor with stock 1.4.5 doctor, NO METADOC, and do a full erase from device info |
| 23:23.28 | joeb_ | just download it and java -jar it ? |
| 23:24.00 | SineOt | yes |
| 23:24.14 | RagingMind | don't even have to wipe the device info |
| 23:24.25 | RagingMind | unless you still have stuff on the usb drive |
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| 23:28.05 | cwgtex | hello all |
| 23:28.23 | Davide-NYC | Sorry if this sounds stupid, but I'm not able to download the Plam Classic Free and Trial application in the PalmOS emulator. |
| 23:28.55 | joeb_ | i think i have stuff on usb drive |
| 23:29.00 | joeb_ | like save/restore |
| 23:29.22 | joeb_ | so go wipe it ? |
| 23:30.15 | cwgtex | I am having a problem with my friend's Pre2. Cryptofs is not showing up as mounted by using "df -h". |
| 23:30.36 | cwgtex | using novaterm |
| 23:30.48 | cwgtex | on my device I get this as the last line from df -h |
| 23:30.55 | cwgtex | cryptofs 13.8G 3.6G 10.3G 26% /media/cryptofs |
| 23:31.14 | cwgtex | but on my friend's device that line is missing |
| 23:33.07 | cwgtex | Before this happened, I was overwriting the boot logo and screenlock-padlock files in /usr/palm/sysmgr/images with custom images. After exiting novaterm, we did a full restart on the phone. |
| 23:34.25 | cwgtex | It took a long time to boot up, but the custom boot logo applied properly. However, once it finished, he had no wallpaper (plain white background instead) and most of his user installed apps were missing. |
| 23:35.49 | cwgtex | After novaterm'ing back into the phone I found that cryptofs was not mounted. Does anyone know how cryptofs normally gets mounted? I could not find an entry for it in /etc/fstab. |
| 23:36.25 | rwhitby | Davide-NYC: the unix philosophy is to do one thing well - the meta-doctor scripts install the OS - there are other methods that are applied after that for flash and classic. |
| 23:37.50 | rwhitby | putting all three in one script does not allow one to pick and choose what you want, nor does it allow independence of development and competing solutions for each part. |
| 23:38.17 | Davide-NYC | Unserstood. BTW: Always a humbling experience to be addressed by you. |
| 23:38.18 | rwhitby | cwgtex: mount script in /etc/event.d probably |
| 23:38.26 | Davide-NYC | *Understood. |
| 23:38.34 | Davide-NYC | :-P |
| 23:38.49 | m0ngr31 | rwhitby: can i switch pre radios, flash 2.1 and be fine without transferring tokens? |
| 23:38.59 | rwhitby | Davide-NYC: the legal aspect is a small one - the OS, flash, and Classic are developed by three different organisations. |
| 23:39.19 | rwhitby | Davide-NYC: if one of those three was to sue, it is best to have the three things separate so that only one of the three items is affected. |
| 23:39.43 | Davide-NYC | Doesn't HPalm own Classic now? |
| 23:39.45 | rwhitby | e.g. it would be Adobe worrying about flash, not H. |
| 23:40.37 | rwhitby | The classic folks said they sent the source code to Palm. I don't think an ownership change or commercial distribution rights were mentioned. |
| 23:40.41 | cwgtex | rwhitby: Looking in that directory, there is a script called mountall, but it makes no mention of cryptofs. There are quite a few more scripts though. Any suggestion for which ones to check? |
| 23:41.05 | rwhitby | cwgtex: have you done a recursive grep for cryptofs in the filesystem? |
| 23:41.33 | rwhitby | m0ngr31: the wiki page says what you can and can't do. |
| 23:42.05 | rwhitby | if there is a scenario which is not addressed, add a section to the wiki page and we'll flesh it out. |
| 23:43.01 | m0ngr31 | rwhitby: i know for switching from a - to a + on 1.4.5 you have to insert the tokens, and switching from a - to a pre 2 on 2.1 you didn't need tokens right? i'm trying to switch from a - to a - on 2.1, so i was wondering if i needed to |
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| 23:44.59 | rwhitby | m0ngr31: it may not be necessary to swap tokens in any of those cases, if you are retaining the same carrier. |
| 23:45.30 | m0ngr31 | rwhitby: ohohoh |
| 23:45.43 | m0ngr31 | i'm a little special sometimes |
| 23:48.26 | cwgtex | rwhitby: Trying to now, having trouble with the syntax. I am trying [ grep -r cryptofs] from root. |
| 23:48.39 | rwhitby | do it on a doctor unpack, not on the device |
| 23:50.49 | cwgtex | ahh that makes sense, brb |
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