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| 00:35.29 | Loudergood | GPS error occured...sweet |
| 00:36.24 | Loudergood | guess I should put together a WR pre plus while I'm at it |
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| 01:03.03 | Loudergood | ok the wr preplus appears to be booting without doctoring... |
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| 01:20.16 | Loudergood | wonders why his search for drpodder in preware is resulting in 600 appible results |
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| 01:44.12 | rwhitby | Loudergood: cause we made then state in the description that their apps are based on drpodder source code |
| 01:44.38 | Loudergood | lol |
| 01:45.03 | Loudergood | so they're even more annoying than I thought they were |
| 01:45.05 | Loudergood | figures |
| 01:46.04 | Loudergood | so I just did a WR pre2 to verizon swap |
| 01:46.33 | Loudergood | and the pre2 downloaded a webos 2.1 update afterwards, and the only thing that seems to have been added is the sim toolkit.... |
| 01:47.02 | rwhitby | sounds like you used the wrong meta-script |
| 01:47.25 | Loudergood | also I put the WR commboard on the vzw preplus and it just booted fine |
| 01:47.38 | rwhitby | yes, that's expected |
| 01:47.52 | rwhitby | the telephony service will be screwed though |
| 01:48.21 | Loudergood | you would think so, but I used the meta-verizon-franken-unlocked-pre2 script |
| 01:48.58 | rwhitby | ah, yes. that will OTA update to WR carrier apps |
| 01:49.37 | Loudergood | oh ok |
| 01:49.40 | rwhitby | if you don't want that, change the tokens to be a real verizon pre2 and flash the stock verizon pre 2 doctor |
| 01:50.12 | Loudergood | I don't really care, since I'm only technically using it on verizon anyway |
| 01:50.21 | Loudergood | I'm using it on a verizon MVNO |
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| 03:09.11 | coveredwagonkid | good evening all |
| 03:09.31 | coveredwagonkid | i have what is hopefully a quick question |
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| 03:12.49 | Loudergood | ok... |
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| 03:13.05 | coveredwagonkid | was there ever a specific meta-doctor script for putting 2.1.0 on a sprint frankenpre plus? |
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| 05:04.02 | preminus | how do you edit the preferences.assistant.js file? |
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| 05:15.48 | rwhitby | Emacs, of course. |
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| 05:20.07 | Lamez | hello? |
| 05:20.28 | Lamez | Anybody here? |
| 05:20.31 | preminus | ya |
| 05:20.50 | preminus | i used internalz to edit the file, i guess that works |
| 05:21.05 | Lamez | I have a question, I came here in hopes that somebody might can guide me |
| 05:21.19 | rwhitby | preminus: for files that don't care about DOS line endings, yes. |
| 05:21.27 | rwhitby | ~ask |
| 05:21.27 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 05:23.24 | preminus | if im in linux that's ok right? |
| 05:23.59 | Lamez | My previous pre suffered hardware issues, I got another pre and logged into my profile. This in turned locked the other pre (older one), due to it be connected to my wifi. So my question is this: How can I access my personal files on my older pre which is stored on the "usb drive"? |
| 05:25.07 | preminus | you cant connect it to your computer? |
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| 05:25.33 | Lamez | Yes I can, but the phone is locked. |
| 05:25.48 | rwhitby | Lamez: create a new profile and log into that with the old device. the contents of the usb drive should be preserved. |
| 05:26.26 | Lamez | Hang on for a bit. |
| 05:27.18 | Lamez | I thought the phone had to be activated first? Also because of the hardware errors, I cannot activate the phone. |
| 05:27.50 | rwhitby | use the palm tool for bypassing activation |
| 05:27.51 | preminus | you cant turn the phone on? |
| 05:28.09 | rwhitby | https://developer.palm.com/content/resources/develop/developing_on_an_unactivated_device.html |
| 05:28.13 | Lamez | Yes I can turn the phone on. |
| 05:28.21 | Lamez | Okay cool, let me check it out. |
| 05:32.30 | Lamez | I have a question about this tool. Is it required that I boot into "Recovery Mode"? It does not state either way, it just tells how to do it. |
| 05:33.56 | rwhitby | yes |
| 05:34.36 | Lamez | Sorry it is late, it seems that I have missed this sentence: "To flash a device with a webOS Doctor or to run the activation-bypass tool, you must first boot the device into recovery mode by performing the following steps:" |
| 05:35.23 | Lamez | Well the phone is charging, so when it boots then I will put it into recovery mode and try the bypass tool. |
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| 06:33.32 | preminus | trying to remove a patch but can't, says out of 1 hunks failed, check for md5sum, how can i remove this patch? |
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| 06:39.45 | Lamez | Can I ask preminus, what are you doing exactly. |
| 06:39.59 | preminus | im trying to remove a patch |
| 06:40.28 | Lamez | I know, but in more detail, are you creating a program for your pre or maybe doing some really cool hack, what? |
| 06:41.14 | preminus | well, im trying to install the necesary files for flash player in 2.1.0 for legacy devices |
| 06:41.27 | Lamez | Which pre? |
| 06:41.41 | preminus | pre - |
| 06:42.22 | Lamez | Ah so the original? |
| 06:42.29 | Lamez | Hooray I have my files back! |
| 06:42.31 | preminus | yeah lol |
| 06:42.33 | preminus | nice |
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| 06:43.26 | Lamez | So, are you following a tutorial? I would love to have flash on my pre, would this also allow me to play flash games and such? |
| 06:43.50 | preminus | yeah i am following a tutorial |
| 06:44.01 | preminus | but it involves more than just flash player |
| 06:44.13 | Lamez | I see, can I see the tutorial? |
| 06:44.50 | preminus | well, let me say first that it involves uprading to 2.1.0 on an original pre and that is very intensive |
| 06:45.36 | Lamez | Yes I have seen those, I would rather not do that. So there is not a flash tutorial for pre-? |
| 06:45.47 | preminus | the original pre hardware may not be powerful enough to run flash, i've found it laggy at best so far, but that's why im working on it |
| 06:45.50 | Lamez | withouth 2.0 |
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| 06:45.57 | preminus | not that i know of |
| 06:46.00 | Lamez | I see |
| 06:46.25 | Lamez | I see. Are you a sprint user? |
| 06:47.14 | preminus | yeah |
| 06:47.37 | Lamez | Would you know anything about Sprint getting the new pre? |
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| 06:47.59 | preminus | no not really, that remains to be seen |
| 06:48.26 | Lamez | Well bummer, I really would love to have it. |
| 06:49.06 | preminus | yeah, it's possible, but hp/palm is probably still working on carrier stuff |
| 06:49.34 | Lamez | Do you know of place where it will keep me updated on this subject? |
| 06:50.09 | preminus | if sprint will get the pre 3? |
| 06:50.58 | Lamez | Yes. |
| 06:51.28 | preminus | i would just check precentral.net, they probably would report on that |
| 06:52.06 | Lamez | I do check them, often. Thanks for the advice. Good luck on your 'hacking' |
| 06:53.02 | preminus | no problem |
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| 07:35.26 | createsoftware | Hi all! |
| 07:35.47 | createsoftware | I'm continuing my objects.db experiments, trying to read palm databases from my computer. |
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| 07:36.37 | createsoftware | Until now, thanks to the help of verious users on this channel, I've managed to find out that the database format used was a btree berkeley database, version 9 |
| 07:37.05 | createsoftware | Trying to open it directly with berkeley-db binaries somehow fails, but I can access the data from python. |
| 07:37.22 | createsoftware | I've manage to extract key/value pairs, but they are weirdly encoded. |
| 07:37.47 | createsoftware | For example, here's a key: "\x04++HMwF4OJ0R+WeSS\x00" |
| 07:38.18 | createsoftware | And here's a value: '\x01\x0b\xb7\r\x00\x05\xee\x89\x10\x029\x060\x04\x00/\x03\x04++HQqD0wWr_hZP75\x00\x00 \x02"\x06\x00$\x04inbox\x001\x02+\x04+33626320868\x00\x00%\x0e\x00\x00\x01.0\x19\xb3\x10&\x04Ok\x00-\rM\\/\x892\n:\r\x00\x05\xee\x89\'\x04sms\x003\n(\x04successful\x00.\rM\\/\x89\x00' |
| 07:38.34 | createsoftware | Can you help me understand which encoding is being used? |
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| 07:43.05 | rwhitby | createsoftware: install the Impostah app, and look at the databases that way. |
| 07:43.18 | rwhitby | it's a proprietary encoding, only accessible via the com.palm.db service |
| 07:43.20 | createsoftware | rwhitby: Did that already =) |
| 07:43.34 | createsoftware | But I'm now looking for a way to browse my databases from my computer |
| 07:43.35 | rwhitby | then you have the source code to extract the data |
| 07:43.40 | createsoftware | Instead of from my phone. |
| 07:43.58 | createsoftware | rwhitby: Not sure I understand |
| 07:44.27 | rwhitby | it's a proprietary encoding, only accessible on the phone via the com.palm.db service |
| 07:44.42 | rwhitby | and the binary to access the db is closed source |
| 07:44.49 | createsoftware | rwhitby: Oh, all right |
| 07:44.55 | createsoftware | I understnad, thanks =) |
| 07:45.06 | createsoftware | s/understnad/understand |
| 07:45.31 | createsoftware | Can you advise a way to use this binary from a computer? |
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| 07:45.45 | rwhitby | no |
| 07:45.46 | createsoftware | Or, should I write a palm app that will dump the db contents? |
| 07:45.57 | createsoftware | Or, could I use Impostah to do this? |
| 07:46.14 | createsoftware | hmmm, sqlite3 was easier to use :/ |
| 07:46.22 | rwhitby | it's GPL open source. as long as your derivative app is GPL you can use Impostah |
| 07:48.06 | createsoftware | rwhitby: Ok, thanks =) GPL won't be a problem. Out of curiosity, do you know why Palm decided to drop sqlite in favor of this? |
| 07:48.22 | rwhitby | dunno. they promised to open source it. |
| 07:48.37 | createsoftware | Oh |
| 07:48.47 | createsoftware | So there might be hope for the future =) |
| 07:49.10 | createsoftware | (I'm not very comfortable with js development yet) |
| 07:50.39 | rwhitby | there may or may not be hope. Palm has promised a lot of things and not delivered on them. |
| 07:51.49 | createsoftware | rwhitby: Woops. All right =) Well, thanks a lot for your help; at least, I won't spend hours trying to decode a closed format. Have a nice day, and thanks again! |
| 07:51.55 | rwhitby | and HP can say that Palm promised it, not HP. |
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| 07:59.26 | preminus | having trouble uninstalling a patch, not sure what to do, any ideas? |
| 07:59.54 | createsoftware | rwhitby: How nice =/ |
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| 14:48.12 | CoolsatPro | you guys deal with blackberry? |
| 14:48.47 | summatusmentis | define "deal with" |
| 14:49.00 | CoolsatPro | looking for a channel for apps |
| 14:49.06 | CoolsatPro | and suck |
| 14:49.09 | CoolsatPro | such |
| 14:49.10 | summatusmentis | no, this is only webos |
| 14:49.23 | haeffb | blackberry suck should be easy to find |
| 14:49.31 | CoolsatPro | have no idea what webos |
| 14:50.00 | haeffb | HP/Palm webOS is the operating system for Palm Pre, Pixi, etc |
| 14:50.14 | CoolsatPro | been searching google with not much help |
| 14:50.19 | summatusmentis | how did you find this chan if you've never heard of webos? |
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| 14:50.27 | CoolsatPro | google |
| 14:50.33 | wgreenhouse | umm |
| 14:50.48 | wgreenhouse | this channel came up via google for blackberry apps? |
| 14:50.48 | wgreenhouse | wtf. |
| 14:50.59 | CoolsatPro | well someone posted in the crackberry |
| 14:51.05 | CoolsatPro | post |
| 14:51.12 | CoolsatPro | figuired be about bb |
| 14:51.36 | CoolsatPro | i hear that bb go to qnx which is similiar to palm? |
| 14:51.51 | wgreenhouse | CoolsatPro: not really |
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| 14:51.58 | wgreenhouse | try #crackberry channel on this server |
| 14:53.24 | CoolsatPro | i did one person lol |
| 14:55.00 | CoolsatPro | wish was a was able to seach irc for channels |
| 14:55.01 | wgreenhouse | weird. blackberry hackers don't IRC, I guess |
| 14:55.09 | wgreenhouse | you can, lol |
| 14:55.22 | wgreenhouse | on a given irc network anyway |
| 14:55.26 | wgreenhouse | you can do /list |
| 14:55.32 | wgreenhouse | and search through that result |
| 14:55.38 | CoolsatPro | that i know just others |
| 14:56.23 | wgreenhouse | anyway, no, webOS is not that similar to QNX at all |
| 14:56.46 | wgreenhouse | QNX is a proprietary microkernel, webOS is built on top of Linux kernel |
| 14:56.51 | CoolsatPro | well not sure what bb is but i think they going to that in future |
| 14:56.54 | wgreenhouse | which is GPL and definitely not a "micro" kernel |
| 14:57.05 | wgreenhouse | CoolsatPro: going to "that?" what's "that?" |
| 14:57.14 | CoolsatPro | there new handsets |
| 14:57.22 | CoolsatPro | i think microsoft bought them |
| 14:57.24 | wgreenhouse | *facepalm* |
| 14:57.26 | CoolsatPro | bought rim |
| 14:57.26 | wgreenhouse | nope |
| 14:57.28 | wgreenhouse | nope |
| 14:57.43 | CoolsatPro | did not buy rim? |
| 14:57.44 | wgreenhouse | and qnx has nothing to do with ms, either |
| 14:57.46 | wgreenhouse | nope. |
| 14:57.47 | wgreenhouse | lol |
| 14:57.51 | wgreenhouse | you are one confused little puppy |
| 14:57.59 | CoolsatPro | i read that somewhere |
| 14:58.12 | wgreenhouse | and QNX has nothing to do with MS |
| 14:58.21 | CoolsatPro | and that operating system 6 was going to last before going to qnx |
| 14:58.37 | wgreenhouse | no idea about that |
| 14:58.42 | wgreenhouse | but RIM is not being bought by MS |
| 14:58.48 | wgreenhouse | RIM recently bought the developer of QNX though |
| 14:58.57 | wgreenhouse | which is probably why they are going over to it |
| 14:59.06 | wgreenhouse | perhaps you are thinking of Nokia's decision to move over to Windows |
| 14:59.10 | wgreenhouse | which is not a merger |
| 14:59.37 | wgreenhouse | but since you got here looking for bb help, maybe you got confused about that story too |
| 14:59.39 | wgreenhouse | sorry, dude |
| 14:59.44 | CoolsatPro | no read that microsoft bought rim cause of there ipad type unit using wind 7 ithink |
| 15:00.00 | CoolsatPro | microsoft software |
| 15:00.16 | wgreenhouse | CoolsatPro: PlayBook runs QNX |
| 15:00.24 | wgreenhouse | and you are horribly confused |
| 15:00.31 | CoolsatPro | probably lol |
| 15:00.43 | CoolsatPro | qnx good? |
| 15:00.48 | wgreenhouse | no idea, lol |
| 15:00.55 | wgreenhouse | proprietary kernels, never touch the stuff |
| 15:00.57 | wgreenhouse | :-P |
| 15:01.09 | wgreenhouse | no interest in bb either really |
| 15:01.13 | CoolsatPro | augh |
| 15:01.22 | CoolsatPro | looking to crack bb for apps lol |
| 15:01.25 | wgreenhouse | dunno how you got here looking for bb help |
| 15:01.33 | wgreenhouse | we have a phone we don't have to "crack" :-P |
| 15:01.44 | wgreenhouse | every webos device can be made a developer phone |
| 15:02.02 | CoolsatPro | like android? |
| 15:02.06 | wgreenhouse | nah, better than |
| 15:02.09 | CoolsatPro | or iphone apple? |
| 15:02.16 | wgreenhouse | like neither |
| 15:02.21 | wgreenhouse | webOS is its own thing |
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| 15:02.39 | wgreenhouse | anyway, have fun out there |
| 15:02.48 | CoolsatPro | thanks for the talk |
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| 15:37.17 | wgreenhouse | lulz. |
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| 16:05.47 | Loudergood | wgreenhouse: lol |
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| 16:10.38 | wgreenhouse | and then I realized, "no, it's not a troll" |
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| 19:50.41 | Abyssul | Is there a way to allow 2.x apps on a sprint 2.1 pre (outside of doctoring? I used the alpha scripts and was wondering if there is some terminal commands I could use to allow access to the 2.x apps. |
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| 22:08.16 | phil_bw | wanders by |
| 22:08.29 | phil_bw | my level of nerdiness just skyrocketed... |
| 22:08.58 | phil_bw | wanted to play an old PalmOS game on my Pre in bed... don't have classic... sooooo |
| 22:09.59 | phil_bw | I am using rdesktop via debian chroot via the sdl xserver connected to my win7 system with a treo 755 simulator running on it. |
| 22:10.10 | Loudergood | lol |
| 22:10.10 | phil_bw | works incredibly well surprisingly... |
| 22:10.35 | Loudergood | and that was easier than installing classic |
| 22:10.54 | phil_bw | my classic trial expired |
| 22:11.01 | Loudergood | ah ok |
| 22:11.03 | Loudergood | I see |
| 22:11.16 | MetaView_ | which game? |
| 22:11.32 | phil_bw | already had a number of xorg things setup, such as a customized window manager that lets me pan around easily |
| 22:11.41 | phil_bw | it's called "stop or go" |
| 22:11.54 | MetaView_ | never heard about |
| 22:12.02 | phil_bw | my wife and I used to play it all the time on our centros |
| 22:12.20 | phil_bw | it's based on a board game that never got popular |
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| 22:13.55 | phil_bw | I'm probably going to write an OpenGL version for the Pre when I get time, until then it's all rdp |
| 22:15.10 | MetaView_ | do it |
| 22:15.18 | MetaView_ | looks not that hard |
| 22:15.23 | MetaView_ | bbl |
| 22:15.40 | phil_bw | later |
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| 22:23.03 | wgreenhouse | phil_bw: out of curiosity, what window manager did you decide to use for the chroot debian system? |
| 22:23.29 | phil_bw | I'm using a modified version of fvwm |
| 22:24.00 | phil_bw | for the sole reason that it gives me the ability to setup virtual area that I can pan around |
| 22:24.01 | wgreenhouse | mmm, blast from the past :) |
| 22:24.42 | phil_bw | if you want to play with it my config files are in the webosinternals git repository under "f3" for fat finger friendly |
| 22:25.19 | wgreenhouse | phil_bw: thanks! |
| 22:26.08 | phil_bw | just install fvwm then clone the dir and dump the files in ~/.fvwm |
| 22:26.23 | phil_bw | to pan hold the gesture area and drag |
| 22:27.45 | phil_bw | anyhow, gotta run, see ya |
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| 22:57.53 | bnceo | so after a week or so of having 2.1 on my Sprint Pre, I've come to realize that this thing really needs 512MB RAM |
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| 23:05.10 | Loudergood | lol |
| 23:05.15 | Loudergood | yeah I bet it does |
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| 23:20.14 | bubby323 | is the ESN of a sprint pre in the com board? |
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| 23:22.49 | bubby323 | were is the testing feed? |
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