IRC log for #webos-internals on 20110427

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00:16.43ajayuh! looks like .inf editing may be working!
00:18.16ajayi still have an "unknown" device showing up in windoze tho..
00:19.54PatrickC_Pre2what are you trying to do?
00:22.33RagingMindajay, a couple things get exposed... as long as you have the Diag port you'll be okay
00:23.45ajaycdma editin
00:24.40RagingMindajay, what all ya editing?
00:26.13ajaythe more the merrier.. unicdma came with the driver but it doesn't seem to just 'work'
00:26.46RagingMindI'm just glad I have my gps working now
00:26.58ajayRagingMind: what did you use for that?
00:27.06RagingMindit takes a while... (5 to 10 minutes) but it's reliable
00:27.29RagingMindI used PmModemUpdater to change a couple nvram values
00:27.36RagingMindthat were suggested in the thread
00:27.41ajayah ok
00:28.14RagingMindit used to be that if I got a lot it was fast, but if I didn't get a lock... then I was SOL (and I went several weeks at a time with no lock)
00:28.25RagingMindnow... it's slow... but I seem to always get one
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00:29.11ajayi can usually get a lock everyday, but sometimes it's quick, sometimes it.. just doesn't, but a .. either reboot or i believe even a luna restart can get it to work.weird
00:30.04PatrickC_Pre2for what?
00:30.31RagingMindPatrickC_Pre2, GPS... gotta get your connection under control ;)
00:30.46PatrickC_Pre2heh, I'm at Chick-Fil-A :)
00:30.56halfhaloreal men have a bouncer
00:31.01PatrickC_Pre2my GPS seems better on 2.1
00:31.20PatrickC_Pre2doesn't even know what a bouncer is other then at clubs :p
00:31.45PatrickC_Pre2is googleing
00:31.55ajayanybody used qpst here?
00:32.59PatrickC_Pre2halfhalo: what bouncer do you use?
00:33.21halfhaloznc
00:33.40PatrickC_Pre2thinks its google time
00:34.27PatrickC_Pre2I need a server?
00:35.01PatrickC_Pre2man...
00:36.31ajayi don't see my phone in qpst, but at least it recognizes the phone, which i can't get unicdma to do..
00:39.07ajaytake that back.. still don't know what model to put into either
00:39.46PatrickC_Pre2RUMOR: New HP phone coming to Sprint this August as a 6-month exclusive @ http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/04/rumor-new-hp-phone-coming-to-sprint-this-august-as-a-6-month-exclusive/
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00:41.54kevetsso, webos 2.1 is cool but i think my modem is f'ed somehow
00:42.23PatrickC_Pre2why?
00:42.29kevetsdidnt help with data stuff. kept failing on 1x & 3G
00:42.38Loudergoodhave you tried going somewhere with better signal?
00:42.41PatrickC_Pre2replacement?
00:43.09kevetsyeah good signal - back on bb with 3G
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00:43.26kevetseh it was from craigslist they wont do it unless i insure it and spend $99
00:43.29kevetsrofl
00:43.45PatrickC_Pre2lol
00:44.13kevetsis there still a way to get a pre 2 for no charge?
00:44.26kevetsi'm off contract
00:44.34kevetsnext phone is still months away
00:44.49PatrickC_Pre2become a developer?
00:45.09kevetsthey give you a phone?
00:45.12Loudergoodget a new comm board
00:45.20PatrickC_Pre2dev phone givaway
00:45.23PatrickC_Pre2pre2
00:45.27kevetswat
00:45.39PatrickC_Pre2lemme get a link for u
00:45.51ajaygood luck even hearing back from them!
00:46.09kevetsyeah that sounds too good to be true
00:46.42Loudergoodpre2 uses the same commboard as pre and pre+
00:46.44PatrickC_Pre2I got one from them
00:47.07kevetscool
00:47.19PatrickC_Pre2http://developer.palm.com/blog/2011/02/mojo-and-enyo-two-great-opportunities/
00:47.26PatrickC_Pre2and so did many devs
00:47.40kevetsoh damn just saw fcc touchpad filing - they have had new filings coming in all week
00:47.47kevetslegal finally got their s together
00:47.52PatrickC_Pre2lol
00:48.21PatrickC_Pre2go to that link :)
00:49.24kevetsso email devmarketing@palm.com and beg?
00:49.41kevetsi think i'm a future smartphone developer
00:49.43Loudergoodkevets: get a new radio board for cheap http://forums.precentral.net/marketplace/260541-palm-pre-parts-thread-9.html
00:49.43PatrickC_Pre2see if you are a "qualified" dev
00:50.04Loudergoodhow many apps have you released PatrickC_Pre2 ?
00:50.17PatrickC_Pre25
00:50.28PatrickC_Pre2and 2 in the works
00:50.37kevetsoh there are qualifications? that might be a problem
00:51.02PatrickC_Pre2you might be able to get the $200 credit
00:51.10kevetsif i had a working phone i'd be inclined to put some leet scriptz together
00:51.52PatrickC_Pre2what's that lol
00:51.54kevetswhat the heck do i do with a radio board Loudergood
00:52.23PatrickC_Pre2do a comms board swap
00:52.38kevetsis it something anyone can do?
00:52.42halfhalommm.... comms boards... taaaasty....
00:52.50PatrickC_Pre2halfhalo: lol
00:52.57PatrickC_Pre2kevets: yeah, kinda
00:53.12PatrickC_Pre2I haven't ventured down that path to get me a FrankenPre2 *yet*
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00:54.07kevetsdamn
00:54.22PatrickC_Pre2what?
00:54.39kevetsso you just pop the old one off and replace the radio board?
00:54.50PatrickC_Pre2lemme get you a link
00:55.00halfhalomore complicated, but basically yes.
00:55.10ajayi'm really waiting for the fcc filing on the world phone.. (chompin at that bit!)
00:56.03PatrickC_Pre2kevets: http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_Pre_2?wasRedirected=true
00:56.07kevetsdamn
00:56.12kevetsi might be able to do that - lol
00:56.18kevetscan't get any worse i suppose
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00:59.24kevetsi'll have to check that again when im on a faster connection, 3g only here lol
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00:59.53ajaykevets: i know people that only have 3g for everything! crazy if you ask me, but..!
01:00.48kevetsyeah it is crazy - at my mom's house the FIOS there is nuts
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01:02.32kevetsone of my clients has a 30Mbit connection - that's pretty nice when I'm working there heh
01:03.24NuttyBunnyI need a 30Mbit connection to download all my ..... backups.. ;)
01:04.05kevetsyeah its crazy sometimes we'll saturate it with the SAN replication at that particular place
01:04.16kevetsbut yeah FIOS is all about.. downloding backups lol
01:04.29kevetsgoing to 3G is harrd
01:06.28ajayunicdma makes my computer sound funny
01:17.50ajaynappy time..
01:18.46NuttyBunnyhey rwhitby
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04:07.53phil_bwwanders by
04:08.13phil_bwso uhh anyone know anything about kernels in here?
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04:09.51summatusmentisdepends, what are you trying to figure out?
04:10.05dtzWillphil_bw: bunch of people do :). btw, sorry for sitting on your X stuff I'll get it out in the next few days as I can--the biggest stick is that I don't have a particularly good/convenient way to package the xorg stuff, was kinda ad-hoc (one reason it's still in testing feed)
04:10.17dtzWillso addressing that first, even though that shouldn't really cause it to block.
04:10.56phil_bwdtzWill: I'm not worried, I'm not waiting on you.  I already have the awesome keyboard :P
04:11.38dtzWillphil_bw: :D :)
04:12.02phil_bwSo I'm trying to establish a PPTP tunnel to my Win7Pro system.  All is great except the kernel does not support MPPE.  Any good ideas to get said support?
04:20.29phil_bwI haven't compiled a kernel in a *very* long time and I don't know if I really want to experiment with the Pre
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05:40.29swisstomcatmorning
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10:26.12RichT23Ya Ill have my Pixi back "soon"
10:26.19RichT23Palm say they fixed it
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11:26.58lordbah"USSD request failed" when dialing #3386633#. Is this because I previously used a version of doctor so activation would not be required?
11:27.38PatrickC_Pre2not sure
11:28.55lordbahnm, I didn't see the asterisk - getting blinder by the day
11:29.37PatrickC_Pre2ok
11:37.56swisstomcatyeah, it's #*3386633#
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12:53.18PatrickC_Pre2weird.. Preware just downloaded an app catalog app.. but couldn't install..
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13:22.54cryptkPatrickC_Pre2, what app
13:23.10cryptkit is possible that the same app, with the same appid is in both a homebrew feed and the app cat
13:23.19PatrickC_Pre2GPS Tool Lite
13:27.51cryptkI can't even see that app... may not be flagged for 2.1.0
13:28.10cryptkdid it try and install through preware? or did preware open an app cat scene?
13:31.25PatrickC_Pre2it tried to install it with preware
13:31.34PatrickC_Pre2and downloaded it successfully, but didn't install
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16:02.09PatrickC_Pre2kevets: working better?
16:04.08kevetswell the client i work at today has wifi so i am at least able to try logging into my profile
16:04.23PatrickC_Pre2cool
16:04.29kevetsi think my modem is screwy though still.. don't have my phone activated right now
16:04.46PatrickC_Pre2what phone are you using then?
16:05.08kevetsvz pre plus
16:05.32PatrickC_Pre2I thought you said it isn't activated atm?
16:07.36kevetsi have my line activated on my blackberry right now since its the only thing i have that will tether
16:08.21kevetsjust got the pre powered on and joined it to the wifi here at the office to try and see if i can make any progress on at least setting up palm profile and other stuff
16:08.34kevetsthen maybe give it another try and activate the pre again to see if 3g will work
16:09.01PatrickC_Pre2cool
16:09.04PatrickC_Pre2hope it works
16:09.38kevetsyea looks like i'm into my profile now - puttig it on the wifi worked for that and then just launching the gesture demo app
16:09.57kevetsdoubt it will help the 3g connection staying on
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16:14.03NuttyBunnyhey chuqui :)
16:14.11PatrickC_Pre2hay NuttyBunny :)
16:16.27chuquimorning!
16:17.48PatrickC_Pre2anyone here on 2.1 and having messaging app issues?
16:19.19kevetswhat issues?
16:19.58PatrickC_Pre2I can't send IM messages
16:20.04PatrickC_Pre2I'm gonna log it now
16:20.56PatrickC_Pre2[2011-04-27 16:20:42] (Messaging) DBWatcher: watch fired, re-issuing query., palmcontactsVersion1_0:116
16:21.20PatrickC_Pre2^^ is all the log
16:21.40NuttyBunnyBut that's for synergy
16:21.50NuttyBunnydo you have just email addresses instead of the names?
16:21.50PatrickC_Pre2weird..
16:21.55PatrickC_Pre2yeah
16:22.02NuttyBunnyah, yes, it does that sometimes
16:22.21PatrickC_Pre2not anymore...
16:22.24NuttyBunnyreboot your dev, logon again, and wait for it to do the synergy thing
16:22.47PatrickC_Pre2reboot as in?
16:22.56PatrickC_Pre2full erase, or just a boot cycle
16:23.03NuttyBunnyreboot as in press the power button x several seconds, and select reboot
16:24.30PatrickC_Pre2and it shows me the name at the beginning of the conversation, then when I send a msg, it changed to only email..
16:24.31NuttyBunnyYep, happens if it loses the IM information on the contacts, mostly because a battery pull or a reboot while logged in... weird, weird issue
16:24.52PatrickC_Pre2ok
16:24.57PatrickC_Pre2brb boot time
16:24.59NuttyBunnyok
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16:26.54NuttyBunnyDo we have a TripIt app?
16:27.27ka6sox-homewe have a NavIt one...
16:28.05NuttyBunnymmm... nah, it was to backfire a Twitter saying that there was a TripIt app for BB and Android :)
16:35.35kevetswhee
16:35.46kevetspalm profile looks like it activated over wifi finally
16:36.03kevetsfiring up app store and preware to cehck it out
16:36.29kevetsif anything i'll see how 2.1 works as a non-cell service device
16:38.11NuttyBunnycool :D   At least!
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16:43.56kevetsyay and Comics works
16:44.06kevetsgarfield minus garfield ha
16:46.33kevetsdamn on wifi this thing is good to go
16:51.18NuttyBunnyLOL .. so, did it download all your apps as well? :D
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16:54.44kevetswell i hadn't purchased any apps or anything just installed oens i was missing
16:54.54kevetsthis would be perfect if it would just do this over 3G
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17:16.34kevetsis there a way to like check the modem firmware or test it without the phone being activated on a line?
17:25.06kevetshmm one last effort - gonna try looking at the carriernetworksettings file from here http://forums.precentral.net/gsm-pre/211728-modifying-webos-carrier-network-settings.html
17:30.48swisstomcatnuttybunny: there's tripthat for webos
17:31.10NuttyBunnyAh, that!... lemme backfire to this guy ;)  hehehe
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17:45.18kevetsanyone messed with the carriernetworksettings file in 2.1 before?
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17:46.50PatrickC_Pre2NuttyBunny: Ping!
17:47.02NuttyBunnyPatrickC_Pre2: Pong!
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17:47.13PatrickC_Pre2the boots didn't work :/
17:47.24PatrickC_Pre2had to reboot 3 times to get wifi back to even try
17:47.42NuttyBunnygrrrr...
17:48.48halfhalohmmm.... there is a strange amount of [REDACTED] in this website right now...
17:51.02PatrickC_Pre2stupid Synergy
17:52.24halfhalohttp://REDACTED.preyourmind.org
17:53.43PatrickC_Pre2is proudly running the 2.1 app catalog on 1.4.5
17:58.53SineOtproudly? why proudly :I
17:58.58SineOtit's not that hard to do
18:00.02PatrickC_Pre2I know, but I'm happy to have it
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18:03.19kevetsis there a way to tell if i have the right settings ni the ##DATA# menu?
18:06.19th3vo1dheres some food for thought: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4240/htc-thunderbolt-review-first-verizon-4g-lte-smartphone/4
18:06.23NuttyBunnyno idea, but isn't that programming automatically done when you dial certain number on verizon?
18:06.32NuttyBunnykevets: no idea, but isn't that programming automatically done when you dial certain number on verizon?
18:06.45SineOtshould be, dialing *228 will do the programing
18:06.59th3vo1dNuttyBunny: you are referring to *228
18:07.14NuttyBunnythat one
18:07.21th3vo1di know it downloads the PRL
18:07.28th3vo1dnot sure if it sets up data
18:07.49SineOtit should have an option if it doesn't do so already to do the full programing for the device
18:09.50PatrickC_Pre2Software Manager works on 1.4.5!
18:09.57kevetsyeah thats what i am tryin to make sure
18:10.09kevetsyeah option 1 programs the phone 2 updates roaming
18:10.49kevetsuninstalling some patches before i try this one last time
18:10.55kevetsactivating and testing 3g
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18:20.38PatrickC_Pre2we are not allowed t distribute Palm apps, I know.. but can we give instructions on how to extract them/build them?
18:23.15kevetsdamn what causes Emergency Mode to trigger?
18:23.28kevetsthis continues to happen if i have the phone on under 2.1
18:23.47NuttyBunnyWhat's emergency mode???
18:23.53SineOtwhat's Emergency Mode?
18:24.27PatrickC_Pre2^^
18:24.47NuttyBunnyyou had to write the same question below :P
18:24.54kevetskicks you out of launcher and everything and just has Emergency Mode on the screen with a big plus sign in the center
18:25.08kevetsand you have options to make an emergency call or hit cancel (which does nothing)
18:25.16PatrickC_Pre2never seen it..
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18:25.38kevetscan't even use hash codes in this mode like the activation screen, had to pull battery
18:26.00kevetshappened like 3 times on the trip home tomorrow while i was trying to coax it into getting a data signal
18:26.41NuttyBunnyno idea :(
18:27.29SineOtyeah, never seen that or heard of it
18:28.26kevetssweet
18:28.56kevetsi was hoping this was more of a newb issue lol
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19:06.09th3vo1dwow the vzw lte network is quite impressive
19:06.20keithagreed
19:06.23PatrickC_Pre2isn't it down?
19:06.27th3vo1dof course, its not exactly saturated yet
19:06.27keithit was
19:06.37PatrickC_Pre2ah its back up. good
19:06.49keithits pathetic how much more bw they put on the lte network vs the standard cdma one.
19:07.23th3vo1dorder of magnitude increases
19:07.53keithwhat i heard is, the lte network is the old test network
19:08.03keithmy friend showed me a nexus one with a verizon logo
19:08.38keithand pulled like 4 or 5 mbit on it
19:08.47keithcuz hes an android dev
19:09.30keithhe made it seem like they got different backbones.
19:09.45keithi cant wait to get an lte device to do some traceroutes to see if i can tell.
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19:12.29th3vo1dive never seen those kinds of speeds on evdo
19:12.43th3vo1don any network
19:13.49SineOtthat's what it'd have to be though, since the Nexus One isn't a 4G device :p
19:14.42keithive seen 300KB on evdo
19:14.44keithon sprint in LA
19:14.44th3vo1dapparently, android 2.2 doesnt even support 4g naitively
19:14.56keithwhat do you mean 'support 4g natively'
19:15.05keithits just a ppp connection?
19:15.43SineOtit'd need an LTE modem
19:15.58SineOtor wimax modem
19:16.19keithheh
19:16.27SineOtit's a lot more than just a ppp connection, it'd be hardware too
19:16.30keithandroid is exposed a usb controller as the radio, IIRC
19:16.36keithto support 4g natively?
19:16.41keithwhat.
19:17.06SineOtandroid didn't support CDMA natively until 1.6
19:17.11keithto android theres no difference between 1xRTT, EVDO or anything else.
19:17.16keiththats entirely different
19:17.20th3vo1dwell im reading about the thunderbolt, which uses 2 cdma modems
19:17.28SineOtany support for it had to be hacked in by the device maker
19:17.42SineOtand LTE is totally the same? :p
19:17.44keithSineOt: i put android on an HTC touch in june, months before the g1 came out
19:17.47keithit was CDMA.
19:17.52th3vo1done at 1x on the SoC and the evdo/lte on the seperate qualcomm chip
19:17.59keithdude, you gotta write a driver for anything
19:18.02keiththats not supporting it
19:18.23keithth3vo1d: unsurprisingly, it takes awhile to do a SoC w/ new tech combined
19:18.40keithbut again, none of this answers the 'what do you mean by not natively supporting 4g'?
19:18.49th3vo1da nice side effect is that it can do voice and data at the same time
19:19.01keithtechnically, GSM is the same way
19:19.12keiththeres 2 radios, a GSM and a WCDMA one.
19:19.26th3vo1d"Android 2.2 lacks native awareness for 4G LTE. As a result, you get odd things hanging around like the 20 MB YouTube WiFi upload restriction, and the 128 MB mobile upload (for any connection) file size limitation."
19:19.27keithhttp://www.netmite.com/android/mydroid/development/pdk/docs/telephony.html
19:19.34keithsee
19:19.35keithppp.
19:19.49keithyou always need to write a driver (what they call vendor RIL)
19:20.04keiththis is old, but same idea
19:20.15keithth3vo1d: android supports 4g radios fine.
19:20.25keithhow long ago did the evo ship? and what did it run?
19:20.40keith2.1.
19:20.57th3vo1di have no idea what android supports, nor do i really care, im just reading about it on anand
19:21.03keithlink it then
19:21.15keithwell i do know, and i care
19:21.17th3vo1dhttp://www.anandtech.com/show/4240/htc-thunderbolt-review-first-verizon-4g-lte-smartphone/6
19:21.41keithdude
19:21.44keithdid you even read it?
19:21.51keithAs a result, you get odd things hanging around like the 20 MB YouTube WiFi upload restriction, and the 128 MB mobile upload (for any connection) file size limitation
19:22.00keiththey mean it wasnt designed for 4g in mind.
19:22.04keithnot that it doesnt support it.
19:22.11th3vo1dyes, "dude" i read it
19:22.13keithis that Android 2.2 lacks native awareness for 4G LTE.
19:22.23keithnative awareness != support.
19:22.32keithwell then, maybe try reading it again, this time using your eyes :)
19:22.35th3vo1dok well blame anandtech for their terrible wording
19:22.47th3vo1dthey do the same shit in their other hardware reviews
19:22.47SineOthow snippy :p
19:23.01keithyes anandtech is shit
19:23.05keitheveryone knows that :)
19:23.12keithars-technica is much better
19:23.20th3vo1dso why do you have such a hardon for android?
19:24.26keithwhy do you bring up stuff you claim not to care about nor know anything about?
19:24.36th3vo1danyways, those speeds are damn impressive
19:24.45th3vo1dpings down under 100ms
19:24.45keithi care about android because its the future of embedded linux, sadly to say.
19:25.06keithi've been fucking with embedded linux for nearly 10 years now
19:25.41th3vo1dto be fair, i havent tried gaming over my pre connection
19:25.59keithive gamed on evdo
19:26.05keithits tempermental at best
19:26.11keithevdo rev. a is ok
19:26.17keithbut dont be moving past, say, 30mph.
19:26.48keithgsm does handle tower handoffs quicker, because of their poor implementation of the tech
19:27.05keithevdo is slower, but does a 'soft' handoff where it actually checks the tower to make sure it can take the call.
19:27.12keithgsm does 'hard' handoffs.
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19:39.03kevetsso
19:39.22kevetshere is the emergency mode i end up with https://picasaweb.google.com/kevets/DropBox?authkey=Gv1sRgCJuG04f9uYraEg#5600350187415511986
19:39.44kevetswhen trying to get my data to work after reactivating my line on my pre
19:42.09NuttyBunnyheh, weird, never seen that before :S
19:42.09SineOtweird, never seen that before
19:42.20NuttyBunnyhey! stop repeating what I think!!
19:42.23NuttyBunnyLOL
19:42.47PatrickC_Pre2hay! stop repeating what I think!!
19:44.21kevetsyeah so now i'm looking at this carrierdb.json file which seems to be full of stuff
19:44.25scoinvPreI'm interested in putting Android on Pre+.
19:44.28kevetswondering if something didnt get programmed right
19:45.08PatrickC_Pre2scoinvPre: NuttyBunny is trying it
19:45.29NuttyBunnyyep, not working yet
19:45.35scoinvPrecool!
19:46.06NuttyBunnyI've managed to almost boot it with the webOS kernel, but it locks, and the guy says that is some sort of initialization problem even before it loads everything else
19:46.11scoinvPreI watched the YouTube video which showed it.
19:46.46NuttyBunnyI've just finished a document here at work, I'm go grab some food while the Plus finishes calibrating its battery, and after that I'll try to see if I can find something else
19:47.02NuttyBunnyI'm dying to play with that thing, we must reverse-engineer whatsapp :D
19:47.59PatrickC_Pre2brb
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19:50.29th3vo1doh god why
19:50.47th3vo1dhow about putting webos on an android device?
19:51.05th3vo1d800x480 webos would be nice
19:51.44PatrickC_Pre2looks at Pre3
19:56.58NuttyBunnytoo many things closed source :(
19:57.38PatrickC_Pre2what's close source? webOS or Android?
19:57.57NuttyBunnywebOS, the launcher for example :)
19:58.34PatrickC_Pre2its in there somewhere I bet :)
19:59.17halfhalowebos as a whole is not open source
19:59.34PatrickC_Pre2really? didn't know that..
20:01.17halfhalobesides the oe core, webkit, etc everything else is closed source, including the applications built in.
20:02.20PatrickC_Pre2the builtin apps are easily accessible, are they not?
20:02.36halfhalothey are, also distributed with the sdk
20:02.36PatrickC_Pre2<PROTECTED>
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20:03.00halfhaloDoes not mean they are open source
20:03.16PatrickC_Pre2true...
20:03.34PatrickC_Pre2hmm.. by what I was saying, all apps would then be open source :o
20:04.50NuttyBunnymmm...
20:04.55NuttyBunnywell, I may said it wrong
20:05.06NuttyBunnywe don't have the source for the binaries :P
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20:09.41PatrickC_Pre250GB free online storage http://www.adrive.com/static/storageplans_basic
20:14.24NuttyBunnyAnd so, I'm done here.. bbl, gotta go get something to eat :D
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20:23.25GodShapedHolehi guys, anyone up for some troubleshooting by any chance?
20:23.57th3vo1dshoot
20:23.59AbyssulWhats wrong?
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20:24.38GodShapedHoleI just got a pre plus (yay) and doctored it to 2.1.0 with the appropriate doctor from the official palm page.
20:25.01GodShapedHoleI tried to log into my profile but it hangs and won't continue after roughly two thirds
20:26.23PatrickC_Pre2GodShapedHole: what carrier?
20:27.01GodShapedHoleGerman O2 - phone is technically a vodafone pre plus, but it's unlocked and gets a good 3G signal
20:28.08GodShapedHoleGAAH
20:28.14GodShapedHoleDISREGARD
20:28.36GodShapedHoleI waited for half an hour before logging on here and it hung for that half hour. But it just logged.
20:28.50GodShapedHolemaybe it's an iPre because this is MAGICAL
20:30.31GodShapedHoleThank you guys anyway!
20:30.52AbyssulHehe
20:30.58AbyssulLittle patience :p
20:31.26GodShapedHolehehe, I'm usually patient but it's never taken this long on any of my previous doctoring experiences.
20:31.57GodShapedHolebut hey any excuse to talk to other palm people over these great interpipes
20:32.04AbyssulIs the webos-internals twitter done talking about the geo-restrictions for the app catalog? Its been a little overwhelming
20:32.31GodShapedHole>_> it's a worthy subject though...
20:33.05AbyssulYeah, but HP is only going to move so fast
20:33.22GodShapedHoleHP needs to make the catalog international (and i'm usually loathe to say "needs" when I could also say "should")
20:34.07GodShapedHoleI know, and actually I don't think now is the time for them to work on that issue
20:34.49GodShapedHoleThey should work on getting the new devices into international people's hands and then enable the catalog for them
20:35.08AbyssulReading the twitter stream is a little  ridiculous to me. Thats all
20:35.37GodShapedHoleReading any twitter stream has always felt ridiculous to me.
20:35.42GodShapedHoleCantankerous old fool, me
20:36.04AbyssulI only use it for webosinternals and some of my favorite bands
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21:15.31NuttyBunnyplays angry birds while the battery calibrates :S
21:15.51PatrickC_Pre2steals NuttyBunny's angry birds
21:16.09NuttyBunnygets angry :P
21:16.22PatrickC_Pre2hehe
21:16.40ctbeiserWouldn't that just make them angrier?
21:16.55NuttyBunnylike in Rio? :D
21:19.08ctbeiserFifty years of miniaturization, price decreases, and speed increases, and finally everyone can own a device that fits in their pocket with which they can shoot animated birds at peculiarly green pigs that whistle a catchy tune.
21:19.21rwhitbyAbyssul: the guy who writes the webosinternals twitter is a fool - I'd unsubscribe if I were you.
21:19.49ctbeiserWaitaminute, I thought it was… I see what you did there.
21:19.51Loudergoodindeed
21:20.00PatrickC_Pre2lol
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21:34.18kevetsdamn, so it looks like there may be some files i should have grabbed off my 1.4.5 working phone before moving to 2.1
21:34.27kevetsnow i cant seem to doctor back to an older version to try and get it
21:36.21Loudergood?
21:36.41NuttyBunnywhat files?
21:39.08kevetsgrasping, saw this link about what the sprint guys have to do when updating http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Sprint_PRL_Update
21:39.14kevetssince thats what my problem sounded like
21:39.26kevets/var/lib/software
21:39.38NuttyBunnyow..
21:40.41Loudergoodyou have a verizon pre plus correct?
21:42.59kevetsyes
21:43.26kevetsso usually we just do the *228 but that hasn't helped
21:45.07Loudergooddoes your phone keep popping up messages about not being able to get data?
21:46.37kevetsyeah, no response from network, network time unavailable kind of stuff
21:47.00kevetsand under 2.1 i was getting Emergency Mode screens a bunch where it'd lock me out kinda
21:47.25RagingMindkevets, those instructions wouldn't do anything for you can't get from *228
21:47.49Loudergoodsounds more and more like you had a bad 2.1 doctor
21:52.49kevetsthink so? okay well maybe i am barking up the wrong tree
21:53.05rwhitbywhat did you build it on?
21:53.06kevetsdoes it just need to be re-run sometimes?
21:53.15kevetsbuilt it in ubuntu
21:53.26rwhitbyshould be fine then.
21:53.45kevetsis there any weird 64 bit / 32 bit stuff with the novatel drivers?
21:53.57kevetsit detected it fine and i could use WebOS Quick Install without trouble
21:54.10rwhitbyif it connects it's fine
21:54.17kevetsyea it did
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21:54.35rwhitbyand the doctor has an ipkg verification step, which if it succeeds means the transfer was not corrupted
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21:55.38kevetsyeah 2.1 ran great on the phone, just wouldn't connect to 3g after doing *228
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22:18.37DraecosPreis terminus broke atm?
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22:24.50NuttyBunnyGuys, anyone knows how to disable the framebuffer in recovery mode? :D
22:27.20NuttyBunny*crick* *crick* ??
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22:55.12PatrickC_Pre2Preware keeps downloading/installing but doesn't pass that stage...
22:55.51Loudergoodapp catalog app?
22:55.53NuttyBunnyclose it, give it a few seconds, and open it again
22:56.13PatrickC_Pre2Loudergood: patch
22:56.20NuttyBunnyalmost slaps PatrickC_Pre2 for installing an app catalog app with Preware
22:56.39Loudergoodhaha
22:56.40PatrickC_Pre2didn't :)
22:57.24Loudergoodwell I've been having an issue recently where preware doesn't like to launch the software manager like it used to
22:57.33PatrickC_Pre2same here
22:58.08PatrickC_Pre2hrmm.. still doing it :/
22:59.01NuttyBunnymmm... you could kill the service and run it again
22:59.14PatrickC_Pre2with JStop?
23:00.54NuttyBunnynope, it's a service, you would have to run xterm or terminal or whatever suits you, look for the service with ps ax, then use the kill command to kill the program (use the first number, the PID), then ... run it again, but I don't remember where does it go ;)
23:01.47PatrickC_Pre2I'll just reboot the phone lol.. or is that necessary?
23:04.17NuttyBunnyyes, reboot it :)
23:04.23NuttyBunny3, 4 times
23:04.31NuttyBunnythe ones you need to do it ;)
23:05.49NuttyBunnyaaaand.. it crashed.  gotta go.. bbl
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