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| 04:21.39 | smknutson | anyone awake? |
| 04:22.24 | ehsan1 | i guess not :) I am up but i am newbie myself :) |
| 04:25.14 | smknutson | ahh haha hi |
| 04:27.14 | IGNTNUNLMTD | likewise |
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| 04:45.07 | IGNTNUNLMTD | uh |
| 04:45.22 | IGNTNUNLMTD | it's either AT&T or Sprint |
| 04:45.27 | IGNTNUNLMTD | don't think VZW |
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| 15:11.31 | ajay | anybody know if any special magic is required to frankenpre a vzpre+ to a vz pre2? |
| 15:13.37 | RagingMind | trying to avoid an activation fee? |
| 15:13.49 | jun_ | If anybody know the Linphone -0.1.8 ' binary version download link? I'd like to be a tester. |
| 15:14.38 | ajay | jun_: ThiBaud and possibly rod are the only two developers afaik, meaning only they can approve new testers |
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| 15:15.10 | jun_ | Thank you, ajay! |
| 15:15.28 | ajay | RagingMind: not exactly.. more MHS, etc. |
| 15:16.02 | RagingMind | oh yeah... pre2 does not have free mhs |
| 15:16.23 | ajay | I don't think I need to do anything special to frankenpre, Rod told me that the comm boards are exactly the same, i mean, what else is needed? i don't know what tokens are tho, but tokens are carrier-tied, not esn-tied, right? |
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| 15:19.48 | RagingMind | ajay, the tokens part is what always gets me mixed up |
| 15:28.58 | ajay | hmm.. tokens..i feel like it's not necessary |
| 15:29.32 | ajay | 's pre is downstairs.. backing up over wifi.. would _Really_ like to run saverestore over VNC! |
| 15:30.10 | NuttyBunny | ajay, why do you backup over wifi??? :) |
| 15:30.19 | ajay | NuttyBunny: USB port is flakey |
| 15:30.45 | RagingMind | ajay, there are tools to backup tokens... wouldn't hurt to back up both phones? |
| 15:30.48 | NuttyBunny | mmm... whoa... difficult issue :( |
| 15:30.53 | RagingMind | just in case |
| 15:31.01 | ajay | NuttyBunny: do you think USB is faster? it doesn't matter to me, because since the phone gets stuck in USB mode (even though it thinks its still in usb mode, the computer can't see it anymore eventually) |
| 15:31.56 | ajay | all the talk i see is of carrier tokens.. but ok will backup .. for kicks? :) |
| 15:31.57 | NuttyBunny | ajay, definitely faster, up to 480Mbps, besides max 54Mbps on wifi, but if it gets disconnected it will be too dangerous to to that way :( |
| 15:32.55 | ajay | hmm.. damn i hadn't really thought of it that way.. have you ever done a speedtest? I wonder how fast the pre really is over usb.. (or any device for that matter :) |
| 15:33.24 | RagingMind | most wifi is at best 54 Mbit and usb2 is 480 Mbit |
| 15:33.58 | RagingMind | hmm... took me too long to double check my numbers/units... *sigh* |
| 15:34.19 | ajay | yeah, it's SUPER-annoying, because i have to do a reboot or luna restart to get it out of usb mode, and then it complains afterwards that some files were/may have been lost. (And actually, contrary to every other usb device i've ever used, it actually does lose files) |
| 15:34.50 | ajay | RagingMind: i'll guess that real-world the pre has got to best 54, but dunno how close to 480 this stuff can get to.. |
| 15:35.29 | RagingMind | ajay, I suppose I could test that with my pre... :) |
| 15:36.01 | RagingMind | I wonder what the best way to test that would be... I could novacom get /dev/null ? |
| 15:39.18 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: create a long file, use dd to do it, hold on, lemme test too |
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| 15:40.04 | RagingMind | I suppose reading from /dev/zero would be better |
| 15:40.40 | RagingMind | NuttyBunny, I was thinking /dev/zero rather than a real file to avoid reading from the flash storage as a bottle neck |
| 15:41.11 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: yep, that would be a safe bet, mmm... I need a stopwatch |
| 15:41.34 | RagingMind | use the time command |
| 15:42.10 | RagingMind | and the resulting file size... hoping that your local disk isn't a bottle neck |
| 15:42.22 | RagingMind | could write to a ram disk :) |
| 15:43.39 | NuttyBunny | mmm... I know, lemme build a command, use dd to create an invisible zero filled file, pipe it through tar, send it through novacom and throw it to /dev/null on the host |
| 15:43.55 | NuttyBunny | no files involved, no fs bottleneck |
| 15:44.56 | RagingMind | NuttyBunny is a magical bunny |
| 15:47.50 | NuttyBunny | almost there... stupid tar: "Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive" |
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| 15:48.25 | RagingMind | What are you using tar for? |
| 15:48.47 | NuttyBunny | to create an imaginary file that would be uncompressed on the host |
| 15:49.47 | NuttyBunny | not an imaginary file, you can use tar to copy files from one place to another using STDIN and STDOUT, and you avoid creating files, that should be a better explanation |
| 15:50.36 | NuttyBunny | and dd is the one causing me trouble... stupid redirects |
| 15:51.02 | ajay | oh look, it fails over wifi too. awesome |
| 15:51.14 | NuttyBunny | duh!! of=FILE - write to FILE instead of stdout |
| 15:51.23 | NuttyBunny | ajay: what are you backing up, and how? |
| 15:51.41 | ajay | ohh if i could use novaterm with unison over usb that would be better.. |
| 15:51.44 | ajay | everything!! |
| 15:51.46 | ajay | starting with usb |
| 15:51.54 | ajay | i should have skipped the ubuntu iso.. ;^) |
| 15:52.19 | NuttyBunny | hahaha... yes, PatrickC did that also ;) backed up the ubuntu iso.. hahahaha |
| 15:53.39 | RagingMind | ajay, I use unison over usb in drive mode to back up my media stuff :) |
| 15:53.48 | ajay | RagingMind: I can't use usb drive mode |
| 15:53.50 | ajay | remember |
| 15:53.55 | RagingMind | BUT there's lots of things that you need to tell it to ignore |
| 15:54.09 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: You were right, I didn't need tar :D |
| 15:54.17 | RagingMind | yeah... but I imagine there are still the stuff you need to tell it to ignore or it acts... weird |
| 15:54.49 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: do you have linux or cygwin? |
| 15:54.54 | RagingMind | linux |
| 15:55.04 | NuttyBunny | try this: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 | dd of=/dev/null |
| 15:55.17 | RagingMind | I have one windows box... and it's for things I can't discuss here |
| 15:55.33 | RagingMind | NuttyBunny, on my host machine or pre? |
| 15:56.18 | NuttyBunny | I think both |
| 15:58.37 | RagingMind | I added a 0 so that it does a gig on my computer, otherwise it went too fast |
| 15:58.58 | RagingMind | lappy: 1048576000 bytes (1.0 GB) copied, 11.5228 s, 91.0 MB/s |
| 15:59.05 | NuttyBunny | yeh, but it just test the cpu I think |
| 15:59.10 | RagingMind | pre+: 104857600 bytes (100.0MB) copied, 4.400849 seconds, 22.7MB/s |
| 15:59.17 | RagingMind | Yup, that's just cpu :) |
| 15:59.33 | NuttyBunny | now, the real stuff should be, on the cpu: novacom -w run file://bin/dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 | dd of=/dev/null |
| 16:00.10 | RagingMind | running... |
| 16:01.05 | NuttyBunny | it should pipe 100Mb of zeroes over novacom and then throw them to /dev/null. Now, the result... 104857600 bytes (100.0MB) copied, 11.012421 seconds, 9.1MB/s the first (the Pre dd), and 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 11.0345 s, 9.5 MB/s (the CPU dd) |
| 16:01.19 | RagingMind | 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 21.4181 s, 4.9 MB/s |
| 16:01.41 | NuttyBunny | that's odd... well, mine is the Pre2 |
| 16:01.44 | NuttyBunny | lemme boot the Plus |
| 16:01.51 | RagingMind | I'm trying again with a BS=1M on the second dd |
| 16:02.13 | RagingMind | 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 21.0618 s, 5.0 MB/s |
| 16:02.37 | ajay | are these the pre-in-usb-mode speed tests? |
| 16:02.45 | RagingMind | matching the BS upped the speed of both dd commands by 0.1 MB/s |
| 16:03.01 | RagingMind | ajay, these are in dev mode using usb, yup |
| 16:04.26 | NuttyBunny | ah, but we won't be able to do it easily on wifi to compare... |
| 16:04.41 | ajay | so.. 54 Mb/s wireless .. is about the same speed? |
| 16:05.40 | NuttyBunny | ajay: seems so |
| 16:06.15 | RagingMind | there's always netcat? |
| 16:06.41 | NuttyBunny | heh, we may be being struck by a cpu bottleneck |
| 16:06.45 | RagingMind | what I'd like to see is to test over usbnet and see if there's novacom overhead |
| 16:07.05 | NuttyBunny | the plus is 5MB/s, the Pre2 is 9MB/s |
| 16:07.11 | RagingMind | and any commands to test over usbnet could also test over wifi? :) |
| 16:07.36 | ajay | woa.. that's weird the pre2 has a almost 2x speed increase |
| 16:07.52 | RagingMind | ajay, you're unlikely to actually have 54Mbit wifi... |
| 16:07.55 | ajay | i just realized i'm matching against max wifi |
| 16:08.19 | RagingMind | and the pre2 does have 2x raw cpu speed over the pre+ |
| 16:08.20 | NuttyBunny | if you think of raw cpu speed it could be that, the Pre2 is almost the double of the 600Mhz of my Plus on 2.1 |
| 16:08.21 | ajay | still, i don't feel dumb anymore for doing backups over wifi, which was the point of the exercise, so ftw :) |
| 16:08.43 | ajay | oh i just overclocked my pre+ to 800, maybe i better go for 1ghz.. too bad no fixed speed 1 ghz :) |
| 16:08.46 | RagingMind | NuttyBunny, I keep my pre at stock 500 (600 for pdk stuff of course) |
| 16:08.53 | NuttyBunny | I'll test with a real file |
| 16:08.58 | ajay | oh it won't keep 800 screenstate so it won't keep 1ghz. eh |
| 16:09.09 | ajay | RagingMind: how do you surive! |
| 16:09.48 | NuttyBunny | I found that 720Mhz is a really nice speed, and it isn't as battery hungry as the faster ones |
| 16:10.45 | RagingMind | ajay, I love the phone for how aesthetically pleasing it is and the software it runs... not for the innards |
| 16:11.43 | RagingMind | it's really not all that slow |
| 16:11.56 | ajay | RagingMind: i find 1.4.5 at 500 a bit annoying, 2.1 unusable |
| 16:12.01 | ajay | (mostly) |
| 16:12.06 | RagingMind | I'm on 2.1 |
| 16:12.13 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: Bah, with a real file it's exactly the same speed |
| 16:12.15 | ajay | i woulda shot myself if i was you :) |
| 16:12.26 | RagingMind | what does annoy me (that OCing may fix) is that it doesn't always respond to touch right away |
| 16:12.31 | ajay | maybe it's my phone.. i'll just tell myself that my pre+ is slower than your phone |
| 16:12.50 | RagingMind | but my first pre on 2.1 didn't have that problem, just this replacement one |
| 16:12.52 | ajay | my phone is pretty borked, so i can't say i count as a case study, but mine's not always responsive to touch |
| 16:13.29 | RagingMind | near the end of the 90 days I have on this I'll go back to 1.4.5 and test... see if I still have the issue and if I can convince them to give me another replacement ;) |
| 16:14.24 | RagingMind | my first pre+ was super solid on 2.1, and this "new" one... hangs for a second or two a lot and is annoying |
| 16:14.41 | RagingMind | inbetween those moments... it's a champ |
| 16:15.51 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: Disable the compcache, you don't need it in a Plus |
| 16:15.53 | ajay | huh |
| 16:17.10 | NuttyBunny | So, summarizing, over USB we have: Pre+ - 5MB/s (40Mbps), Pre2 - 9MB/s(72Mbps)... and according to wikipedia: Typical hi-speed USB hard drives can be written to at rates around 2530 MB/s, and read from at rates of 3042 MB/s, according to routine testing done by CNet. This is 70% of the total bandwidth available. |
| 16:17.16 | RagingMind | NuttyBunny, I thought compcache only enabled if it was a pre- |
| 16:17.49 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: Nope, it's enabled on every legacy device (it comes also on the Pixi 2.1), fixed at 10Mb |
| 16:17.58 | NuttyBunny | look into /etc/eventd/compcache |
| 16:18.07 | NuttyBunny | event.d |
| 16:18.29 | RagingMind | I swear I asked about that and rod said it was pre- only... I probably misread it though |
| 16:18.32 | RagingMind | *sigh* |
| 16:18.36 | ajay | having compcache enabled could HURT performance?? |
| 16:19.13 | RagingMind | if you have the memory available, why bother wasting the cpu cycles compressing anything? |
| 16:19.15 | ajay | that's nowhere near 480 MB/s (or is it mbps?) |
| 16:19.20 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: /etc/palm/preferences/compcache_enabled exists on my Pre+ |
| 16:19.34 | RagingMind | ajay, 480Mbit is usb |
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| 16:20.03 | NuttyBunny | ajay: Not even close, veeeery slow, RagingMind, we are way low than the fastest theoretical speed |
| 16:20.06 | NuttyBunny | hey Chuqui! :D |
| 16:20.37 | RagingMind | NuttyBunny, that's why I want to test over usbnet mode |
| 16:20.45 | ajay | RagingMind: oh its Mbit, not MBit.. so 30 MB/s=240 Mbps.. half of theoretical. i guess that's not bad.. |
| 16:20.46 | chuqui | hey, NuttyBunny |
| 16:21.01 | RagingMind | i'm wondering if novacom on the pre is a bottle neck |
| 16:21.02 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: compcache could be the culprit of the small hickups you have, it may be compressing and decompressing something in those moments |
| 16:21.02 | ajay | doin rsync -av sata to sata now, will be curious to see what it puts out |
| 16:21.18 | NuttyBunny | ajay: no, no, 5MB/s = 40Mbps |
| 16:21.49 | ajay | NuttyBunny: ? i meant for the high-speed usb HDDs.. |
| 16:21.51 | RagingMind | NuttyBunny, I didn't have the hiccups the first time I was on 2.1 :( |
| 16:22.05 | NuttyBunny | chuqui, we're discussing on how the Pre USB transfer is about 10 times slower than the max theoretical speed for usb 2.0 :D |
| 16:22.39 | ajay | RagingMind: I wonder if the doctor has changed since then.. |
| 16:22.59 | RagingMind | I *don't* have to reboot after disabling compcache? |
| 16:23.10 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: well, also the databases fill up with info that doesn't get clean up, my Pre2 takes 4-5 minutes to boot |
| 16:23.29 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: mmm... if done with govnah, no |
| 16:23.54 | ajay | NuttyBunny: I thought a large part of the bootup time is related to how many apps you have installed.. there's db cruft too? hrmm.. |
| 16:23.57 | NuttyBunny | ajay: ah, yes, 30MB - 240Mbps, yes, for the hard drives |
| 16:24.31 | NuttyBunny | ajay: in my case for some reason it's checking the media partition every time it boots... it takes about a minute to do it :@ |
| 16:24.38 | ajay | so just delete mv compcache_enabled no_compcache_enabled ? done.. |
| 16:24.56 | ajay | NuttyBunny: how do you know that's what it's doing, and how long it takes? |
| 16:25.09 | ajay | hmm, maybe i need to keep my media partition lean then (for better performance) |
| 16:25.25 | NuttyBunny | ajay: yes, and disable it in govnah to activate the change immediately (compcache) |
| 16:25.26 | ajay | all these little things could be explanations of why my pre+ (in addtn to hw issues) performs so poor |
| 16:25.40 | ajay | oh it might be enabled in govnah? eek |
| 16:26.41 | NuttyBunny | I looooove to mess with my devices' internals, and I've doing extensive research about backup and restore, and I often perform a fsck (chkdsk in windows world) on the media partition, and it takes a looong time... and, if you novaterm to your device you may find that it's running (fsck.vfat) |
| 16:28.25 | NuttyBunny | which reminds me... chuqui: Who should I contact to report a media bug, it's a new one that I hadn't read of, my "Video Roll" dissapeared, and all my recorded videos are being held in the "Loaded Videos" section. I can play them but I cannot edit them or share them anymore :'( |
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| 16:40.50 | RagingMind | http://deice.daug.net/netcat_speed.html |
| 16:41.39 | NuttyBunny | It takes about 30 secs to run fsck.vfat ... not too much, but when the device is booting and doing other things at the same time, it could slow things down |
| 16:43.09 | RagingMind | crap... now the headphone jack always thinks there are head phones in it |
| 16:43.24 | RagingMind | I might be getting another replacement... *sigh* |
| 16:44.20 | NuttyBunny | there's a way, search for "carbon powder" I think, on P|C, that method seems very logical and it should work |
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| 16:48.18 | ajay | RagingMind: that's a common problem, you need to get some fatter headphone plugs and plug+unplug them. rinse+repeat til achieve results |
| 16:48.48 | RagingMind | blarg |
| 16:48.55 | ajay | RagingMind: is that on a pre2? crap yet another thing that hopefully would have been fixed... maybe pre3.. |
| 16:49.20 | RagingMind | I do need some graphite powder anyway, the lock on my car and the deadbolt to my apartment are kinda sticky |
| 16:49.25 | ajay | RagingMind: assuming "blarg" was to my suggestion, i say, hey! easier than getting a replacement :) |
| 16:49.52 | RagingMind | ajay, this is a refurb pre+ that they gave me as a replacement to my original pre+ that crapped out |
| 16:50.22 | ajay | RagingMind: i'm not clear what point you are trying to convey to me.. |
| 16:50.33 | RagingMind | blarg was directed into the ether... just my general frustration |
| 16:50.35 | ajay | RagingMind: Oh because it's a refurb so if it has issues better replace it quick before late? |
| 16:50.41 | NuttyBunny | I wonder what -- if [ -n "$MEDIA_FIX" ]; then lunaprop -n com.palm.system -m -s $MEDIA_FIX_PROPERTY $MEDIA_FIX -- does in /etc/initd.d/mountall.sh *sigh* |
| 16:51.03 | RagingMind | I'm already outside of my original warranty, but still in the 90 days for the refurb |
| 16:51.04 | ajay | oh because i said pre2, ok ignore last comment :) |
| 16:51.22 | ajay | RagingMind: you're on vz right? I talked to someone that got verizon to replace his pre+ w/ a Pre2, fyi! |
| 16:51.23 | RagingMind | so I'm extra sensitive to hardware issues :) |
| 16:51.32 | NuttyBunny | found it, appears then fsck fixed something |
| 16:51.36 | ajay | i googled "carbon powder site:precentral.net" and found nothing |
| 16:51.38 | RagingMind | the pre2 would be nice... but it's too ugly |
| 16:51.42 | ajay | ?? |
| 16:51.50 | RagingMind | I need the rounded front |
| 16:51.56 | ajay | ?? |
| 16:52.08 | RagingMind | and I'm so happy that the veer and pre3 have the rounded edges on the front again |
| 16:52.13 | ajay | to spin it? |
| 16:52.15 | RagingMind | the pre2 just looked... ew |
| 16:52.37 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: I trade a Pre+ for your Pre2 |
| 16:52.52 | RagingMind | and the vzw store up here doesn't have any pre2 in stock anymore, they had it with the "feature phones" for about a month |
| 16:53.20 | ajay | me too :) |
| 16:53.39 | ajay | RagingMind: he recommends never dealing with a store, it's all about getting the right person on phone tech support |
| 16:53.49 | RagingMind | and when I asked about it last week the rep instantly started trying to talk me out of a Pre of any kind for practically anything else |
| 16:53.59 | RagingMind | he was very not nice to the platform |
| 16:54.20 | ajay | i've had that happen too.. they can't quite sell a phone they don't have in stock, right? but gotta sell something! |
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| 16:55.01 | NuttyBunny | well, well, you have to LOVE the comments developers leave in files: "I'm not going to worry about that as it's not a shipping configuration." o_O |
| 16:55.17 | ajay | i saw my friend using his android phone yesterday, followed by seeing my bro+his gf using their iphone/ipod touch, and.. i do feel pretty lacking. |
| 16:55.44 | ajay | my friend cancelled went data+txt only on verizon, and can still use his droid with no problem to make calls. That's impossible on webOS |
| 16:55.51 | ajay | i mean, no additional steps |
| 16:57.43 | NuttyBunny | "Given a partition or mountpoint, fix it. Umount it if needed, fsck it, try to mount it, and if that fails reformat it and mount it again. Once this function returns, we've either mounted the partition (which may now be empty!) or we're so f*cked there's no hope of recovery." |
| 17:00.17 | RagingMind | ajay, he uses skype or something? |
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| 17:04.29 | NuttyBunny | ok, booting skipping fsck, just once, to test........ please, don't kill my data :D |
| 17:05.08 | ajay | RagingMind: nope, just google voice+SIPgate over 3g |
| 17:05.54 | ajay | skype's actually a good idea.. but oh maybe not because then he might show another #. |
| 17:06.58 | ajay | I'd _LOVE_ to do that. I dream of using VoIP.. but palm restricts the hell out of the platform. i don't care how many times they talk about "keys" and "unlocked," it's BS when the platform isn't built for open and doesn't have many builtin options to make up for it.. |
| 17:10.25 | NuttyBunny | pff... 4:35 seconds for the Luna screen to show... on a Pre 2... *sigh* |
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| 17:32.19 | ajay | hmm.. sata->esata only did 20 MB/s. disappointing |
| 17:32.48 | ajay | maybe rsync is not the right way to go .. hrmm.. i skipped -z but assumed that would slow it down, maybe i was mistaken |
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| 17:36.00 | ajay | i was right there are no directions for vz pre+ to vz pre2, so it must be seamless |
| 17:37.18 | ajay | has using metadoctor normally changed at all? |
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| 17:48.25 | PatrickC_Pre2 | how do activate a pre/2 if I don't have data? |
| 17:49.51 | ajay | ok cool the metadoctor still works for its old job, good to know.. |
| 17:49.55 | ajay | with pre2 support and all |
| 17:51.07 | ajay | PatrickC_Pre2: activate the phone? or login to your profile? The former is supposedly impossible (so I was told in the channel the other day) |
| 17:51.44 | PatrickC_Pre2 | well.. could I bypass firstuse and still use the radio? and log into a profile over wifi? |
| 17:53.13 | PatrickC_Pre2 | http://forums.precentral.net/canuck-coding/282230-ipkg-feed-generator-v1-0-a.html |
| 17:53.15 | ajay | well there is that doctor option to allow profile over wifi |
| 17:53.18 | PatrickC_Pre2 | ^^ awesome!! :) |
| 17:53.46 | PatrickC_Pre2 | but if I do that, can I still use the cell radio to make calls/txt? |
| 17:53.55 | ajay | i don't see why not.. |
| 17:54.07 | ajay | i feel like someone was saying this isn't true the other day, so don't quote me.. |
| 17:54.32 | ajay | for the former part, calls/txt should be no problem, umm, no problem :) |
| 17:58.25 | ajay | where in the metadoctor script are the tokens played with? |
| 17:59.42 | ajay | err, in the 2.1 scripts i mean |
| 18:00.02 | ajay | i'm arguing with someone over whether i need to use one of the special scripts, but i don't think i need to. |
| 18:01.31 | ajay | going from att pre+ to pre2 or verizon pre+ to pre2 should require no magic |
| 18:03.04 | PatrickC_Pre2 | comms board swap? |
| 18:03.21 | ajay | i mean, no software magic, only hardware (comm board swap) magic :) |
| 18:03.41 | ajay | it shouldn't require a redoctoring of the device, and it definitely shouldn't require a metadoctoring |
| 18:03.44 | PatrickC_Pre2 | I'm not sure.. I haven't done it /yet/ :) |
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| 19:23.14 | Vic_Sage_The | how well does linphone work? |
| 19:23.42 | Vic_Sage_The | they have a client for webos and I just bought a pixi |
| 19:24.06 | Vic_Sage_The | pixi plus |
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| 19:28.34 | Vic_Sage_The | anybody home? |
| 19:29.07 | IGNTNUNLMTD | yes but I'm of minimal help |
| 19:31.35 | Vic_Sage_The | does linphone work alright? I just bought a pixi + and I want to make wifi calls and just have it available to me on page plus |
| 19:32.05 | IGNTNUNLMTD | like I said, minimal help :P sorry, don't know the answer to that |
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| 19:33.09 | Vic_Sage_The | i thought this was the irc chatroom for the linphone port to webos |
| 19:33.59 | IGNTNUNLMTD | it is, I'm just not one of the developers |
| 19:35.20 | Vic_Sage_The | well if you are in this room wouldn't it be safe to assume that you have used it |
| 19:37.08 | SineOt | no |
| 19:42.45 | Vic_Sage_The | where do I get the linphone app? |
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| 20:23.40 | RagingMind | NuttyBunny, graphite worked |
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| 20:42.23 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: Great!! I'll use when (and if) it happens to me! Right now none of my devices have phantom headphone problems :) |
| 20:43.38 | Jack87 | My Sprint Pre2 is asking to update to 2.1 when it is already 2.1 |
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| 20:44.36 | Jack87 | i wonder why. any insight? |
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| 20:46.21 | smknutson | Uggh. any idea why my pre won't sign into my profile anymore? |
| 20:48.59 | Jack87 | I was connected on roaming mode with data. i wonder if that had anything to do with it |
| 20:50.15 | smknutson | I'm on EV |
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| 20:51.03 | smknutson | ohhhh I am on my airave |
| 20:51.09 | smknutson | maybe that's it |
| 20:51.24 | PatrickC_Away | smknutson: what phone? |
| 20:51.34 | PatrickC_Away | I have an airave and never have that problem |
| 20:51.38 | smknutson | sprint pre plus |
| 20:51.58 | smknutson | the airave and my wifes intercept don't play nice either |
| 20:52.17 | PatrickC_Away | is it "modem, airave, other" |
| 20:52.27 | PatrickC_Away | in how the airave is getting the internet? |
| 20:52.43 | smknutson | modem, router, airave |
| 20:52.53 | PatrickC | ahh.. that was our problem too |
| 20:53.11 | PatrickC | I believe the airave likes to be first (modem, airave, router) |
| 20:56.05 | RagingMind | Jack87, I've heard of that before, it made voice dial work and gave the person a SIM toolkit (they were on a cdma network so it was kinda useless) |
| 20:56.36 | Jack87 | what did.. running the update? |
| 20:56.52 | Jack87 | "update" |
| 20:57.01 | RagingMind | yeah |
| 20:57.14 | RagingMind | this was just after 2.1 came out |
| 20:57.22 | Jack87 | intresting |
| 20:57.38 | Jack87 | i wonder if it will "break" the phone and require a new doctor |
| 20:57.50 | PatrickC | "new" doctor? |
| 20:57.58 | PatrickC | don't you have the old one? |
| 20:58.00 | Jack87 | i mean re-doctor |
| 20:58.36 | Jack87 | God i hate windows.. I cant do anything useful on it. |
| 20:58.49 | PatrickC | lol |
| 21:00.19 | PatrickC | don't you dual-boot? |
| 21:00.45 | Jack87 | im on work PC |
| 21:00.50 | Jack87 | so i had to bootup laptop lol |
| 21:01.32 | smknutson | I'll have to try to sign in outside of my airave |
| 21:01.45 | smknutson | any idea what the sign in failed error is caused by? |
| 21:03.07 | PatrickC | why are you signing in again anyway? or is this the first time? |
| 21:03.39 | smknutson | I'm TRYing to go back to 145 on my sprint plus |
| 21:04.01 | PatrickC | from 2.1? |
| 21:04.08 | smknutson | correct |
| 21:04.09 | PatrickC | did you erase backup data? |
| 21:04.45 | PatrickC | if you don't erase backup data, it won't let you log in on 1.4.5 with a 2.1 profile |
| 21:04.52 | smknutson | I think so. I hit erase three times, I'm not sure now if it 'took' |
| 21:05.13 | Loudergood | I thought you had to go back to 1.4.0 |
| 21:05.17 | smknutson | I even went in on my profile and removed the device |
| 21:05.18 | PatrickC | did you turn off backups? (its been a while since I did it) |
| 21:05.23 | PatrickC | hmm |
| 21:05.45 | smknutson | I have no device in my palm.com profile, and it still won't sign in |
| 21:05.47 | PatrickC | going from 2.1 to 1.4.5 was easy for me |
| 21:05.59 | PatrickC | weird |
| 21:06.26 | smknutson | which is why I'll try outside of the airave |
| 21:06.36 | PatrickC | do you have the tokens in the doctor (I haven't done a frankenpre, so idk where the tokens go) |
| 21:06.51 | smknutson | tokens baked in for both versions |
| 21:07.01 | PatrickC | odd |
| 21:07.18 | smknutson | yeah |
| 21:07.38 | smknutson | I even flashed a known working 2.1 and as far as I know it gave me same error |
| 21:07.49 | PatrickC | hmm... now I don't want to frankenpre lol |
| 21:07.51 | smknutson | tried batt pull, power+rocker 3 times |
| 21:07.52 | PatrickC | what error? |
| 21:08.18 | smknutson | Sign In Failed - we were unable to sign in to your profile blah blah |
| 21:08.39 | PatrickC | hmm.. when I get that, I try to sign in again, and it works |
| 21:08.45 | PatrickC | can you create a new profile? |
| 21:09.07 | smknutson | that's my next course of action after turning off airave |
| 21:10.27 | smknutson | I know the modem works - I was able to reset my palm profile password on the phone |
| 21:11.47 | rwhitby | morning |
| 21:11.51 | rwhitby | returns to Australia |
| 21:11.57 | Jack87 | RagingMind, think if i manually disable updates the nagging will stop? |
| 21:12.03 | Jack87 | rwhitby, where from? |
| 21:12.20 | PatrickC | morning rwhitby |
| 21:12.22 | Jack87 | RagingMind, ah shit. too late. it updated on its own god damn it |
| 21:12.44 | PatrickC | Ohno.. |
| 21:12.52 | PatrickC | hmm.. what did it do.. |
| 21:13.02 | Jack87 | PatrickC, lol we will see if it will blow up |
| 21:13.09 | PatrickC | haha |
| 21:13.25 | rwhitby | Jack87: I was in San Jose since Monday |
| 21:13.28 | halfhalo | oh, oh, oh, blowing stuff up!? |
| 21:13.46 | Jack87 | oh wow! werent you down that way like a month ago as well? lots of traveling lately |
| 21:14.23 | Jack87 | halfhalo, sprint pre2 jumped on verizon roaming. and then nagged me about a webos 2.1 update |
| 21:14.39 | Jack87 | and then before i knew it.. it updated... booting back up now |
| 21:15.14 | halfhalo | bah vzw |
| 21:16.18 | Jack87 | rwhitby, perhaps meta doctor script for sprint pre2 should auto disable OTA update |
| 21:16.52 | rwhitby | Jack87: why? people want the voicemail to be updated. |
| 21:17.03 | rwhitby | voice control I mean |
| 21:17.18 | Jack87 | oh... is that how one gains voice control access? |
| 21:17.32 | Jack87 | so this "update" isnt a bad thing? |
| 21:17.56 | rwhitby | what does the wiki page say? |
| 21:20.10 | Jack87 | rwhitby, intresting. I cant believe i over looked that. thanks! |
| 21:21.16 | Jack87 | i am having a hell of a time sshing into the phone. |
| 21:21.48 | Jack87 | as soon as i figure this shit out i may make the instructions a bit more friendly |
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| 21:30.06 | Jack87 | now to gain acess via ssh using login/password |
| 21:31.03 | rwhitby | PatrickC: you seriously asked that question in the ipkg feed generator thread? |
| 21:31.33 | PatrickC | I haven't run the program yet, do idk if you put a name in when running the program |
| 21:31.47 | PatrickC | to name the feed |
| 21:32.02 | rwhitby | so you waste people's time by asking a question before you've done your own research? |
| 21:32.28 | PatrickC | I was just wondering... |
| 21:33.08 | rwhitby | here's a tip. for most people, other folks get a certain amount of "dumb question" allocation before they start being ignored. something to think about ... |
| 21:33.32 | PatrickC | ok.. |
| 21:33.45 | rwhitby | especially when the answer is earlier in the same thread, which has not gone over a page yet. |
| 21:34.06 | PatrickC | I read all the posts.. I must have missed that one |
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| 21:41.54 | NuttyBunny | mornin rwhitby (btw) ;) |
| 21:42.01 | smknutson1 | anyone on familiar with palm profile problems? |
| 21:43.02 | NuttyBunny | PatrickC: Think of the 2.1 pixi guy (I don't even recall his name anymore) :) |
| 21:43.17 | PatrickC | huh? lol |
| 21:43.37 | NuttyBunny | I hate my media bug, I have to do the following to get my pictures and videos: for i in `novacom -w run file://bin/ls -- /media/internal/dcim/100palm`; do echo $i; novacom get file://media/internal/dcim/100palm/$i > $i; done |
| 21:44.04 | PatrickC | wow.. that stinks.. usbmode doesn't work anymore? |
| 21:44.20 | stbuehler | you could tar pipe them :) |
| 21:44.27 | NuttyBunny | it works, but after I exit it, it leaves all media in a limbo state |
| 21:44.46 | NuttyBunny | stbuehler: ah, yes, but I was testing before and I had the command in the .history :D |
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| 21:45.21 | smknutson1 | Anyone know what causes Sign In Failed errors? |
| 21:46.33 | NuttyBunny | stbuehler: novacom -w run file://bin/tar -- -cv -C /media/internal/dcim/100palm -f - . | tar xvf - <--- I know my OS ;) |
| 21:46.48 | NuttyBunny | smknutson1, first use app? |
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| 21:47.14 | stbuehler | very nice :) |
| 21:47.32 | smknutson1 | Yes, on the first use app nutty |
| 21:47.44 | smknutson1 | Cant sign in on 1.4.5 or 2.1 anymore |
| 21:48.21 | smknutson1 | after fresh doctor, and im on EV connection |
| 21:49.13 | rwhitby | smknutson1: if you follow /var/log/messages and run ls-monitor, you can usually find out why the sign in failed |
| 21:49.43 | smknutson1 | @rwhitby, that seems a bit over my head |
| 21:49.46 | NuttyBunny | rwhitby: assuming he can use dev mode ;) |
| 21:50.14 | PatrickC | ##DEVMODE# :) |
| 21:50.40 | rwhitby | NuttyBunny: BTW, I added account delete capability to Impostah on the flight from the US to AU |
| 21:51.17 | PatrickC | wishes he could code that good :/ |
| 21:51.56 | NuttyBunny | rwhitby: ah, on-device account delete?, nice, because the dr.skipped first use causes problems with sms, the messaging code says it, it only accepts one account :S |
| 21:53.01 | smknutson1 | how would I go about running ls-monitor? |
| 21:53.13 | PatrickC | novaterm? |
| 21:53.16 | PatrickC | I think. |
| 21:54.02 | NuttyBunny | smknutson1: Do you know about novacom, novaterm, and developer mode? |
| 21:54.37 | Jack87 | rwhitby, before you told me how to force install ipks... could you refresh my memory or point me to a reference |
| 21:54.38 | smknutson1 | Ive added the masqfile via commandline Nutty, thats about as far as Ive gone |
| 21:54.44 | Jack87 | if there is no reference i will make one |
| 21:55.01 | PatrickC | -force-depends ? |
| 21:55.11 | PatrickC | that's the only force I know lol |
| 21:56.10 | NuttyBunny | smknutson1: Ok, your device is in 1.4 or 2.1? |
| 21:57.10 | Jack87 | PatrickC, i think it was something like that sounds familiar |
| 21:57.36 | PatrickC | that's how I got 1.4.5 sprint nav to install on 2.1 and actually run |
| 21:57.45 | PatrickC | (until the login screen) |
| 21:57.56 | smknutson1 | 1.4.5 now, Nutty |
| 21:58.29 | ajay | PatrickC: until the login screen? and then fail? |
| 21:58.31 | rwhitby | bbl - final leg back to home |
| 21:58.45 | PatrickC | ajay: it errored out at the login screen |
| 21:58.50 | PatrickC | cya rwhitby |
| 21:58.54 | ajay | bootsy |
| 21:59.16 | NuttyBunny | smknutson: mmm... you have 3 options: make a 1.4.5 meta doctor with developer enabled, go to 2.1 and enable dev mode with ##DEVMODE#, or memboot with the installer image so you can enable developer mode on 1.4.5 |
| 21:59.19 | NuttyBunny | cya rwhitby! |
| 22:00.05 | PatrickC | when I tried to login, it told me it couldn't start the service (or something like that) |
| 22:00.25 | PatrickC | I believe it uses java services, which are non-existing in 2.x iirc |
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| 22:05.03 | RobiPre | anyone have a problem with silent sms msgs ? no notifications. |
| 22:05.23 | PatrickC | do you have a patch installed to do anything like that? |
| 22:05.48 | PatrickC | what OS? 2.1/2.0.1/1.4.5? |
| 22:08.32 | RobiPre | 2.1, sconix messaging |
| 22:09.44 | PatrickC | that has a per account settings |
| 22:10.01 | PatrickC | like, for ring/silent/sound/vibrate iirc |
| 22:10.25 | RobiPre | default is all silent? |
| 22:10.47 | NuttyBunny | you may had installed it when it was silent |
| 22:11.24 | PatrickC | I believe default is silent |
| 22:11.29 | PatrickC | sconix: ping? :) |
| 22:11.55 | RobiPre | dont see setting for those defaults |
| 22:13.51 | RobiPre | all I have in tweaks is messaging system email & topbar |
| 22:14.02 | NuttyBunny | no, no, not tweaks |
| 22:14.13 | NuttyBunny | go to the messaging account, enter accounts and preferences |
| 22:14.25 | NuttyBunny | there, on each account, you have a little bell icon, tap it |
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| 22:20.51 | RobiPre | I dont see that. these are for SMS there is only the palm account |
| 22:21.57 | sconix | RobiPre: if you don't see the bell you don't have the framework patch installed which is needed by the messaging patch |
| 22:22.39 | RobiPre | isnt it a pre-req? |
| 22:22.51 | sconix | no |
| 22:26.02 | NuttyBunny | isn't it? hahaha, I always thought it would be |
| 22:26.10 | RobiPre | I only have the green ones installed |
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| 22:27.50 | sconix | So you need the Adv. Sys. Prefs - Framework if you have the Messaging patch, then go to messaging app, preferences and tap the bell icons to set the notification settings |
| 22:31.04 | RobiPre | that one is not green? |
| 22:31.40 | sconix | can't remember, the green only means that the patch has tweaks and I don't think the prefs framework provides any |
| 22:32.04 | sconix | but the messaging patch tells clearly that the framework is needed on the package description |
| 22:32.18 | RobiPre | ok. might need to have this one as a pre req :P |
| 22:32.26 | sconix | its not a hard requirement since it would make updating the patches pita since preware does not support dependences on patches |
| 22:33.04 | PatrickC | it doesnt.. oh |
| 22:33.08 | RobiPre | hm ok. now of course this failed to install |
| 22:33.44 | RobiPre | so uninstall all yer patches, then reinstall after the framework one..right? |
| 22:33.57 | sconix | there is "normal" and legacy version of the framework patch, you most likely need the normal one, but there are still installations that require the legacy |
| 22:34.12 | sconix | so maybe want to try to install both to see if neither does not install then you have some conflictin one |
| 22:39.55 | RobiPre | removing the adv sys prefs* |
| 22:40.38 | RobiPre | adv sys menus should not interfere |
| 22:41.00 | sconix | no |
| 22:41.10 | sconix | and the order of adv prefs patches installation should not neither |
| 22:41.13 | sconix | they should install in any order |
| 22:43.16 | RobiPre | kk |
| 22:44.38 | RobiPre | gah bar assistant stillfailed |
| 22:44.53 | RobiPre | when installing just the framework |
| 22:47.24 | RobiPre | oh hm might have to disable some tweaks? |
| 22:54.06 | sconix | no |
| 22:54.14 | sconix | you just have some other patch installed that conflicts |
| 23:07.46 | RobiPre | hmm |
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| 23:19.52 | RobiPre | this is getting funny down to only your patches sconix still failing |
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| 23:46.48 | sconix | well if you follow the wiki and do EPR and remove all patches and then start from mine and still they wont install then you have failed uninstallations of some paches and they have left modified code behind |
| 23:47.44 | sconix | so follow the recommended installation route in the prefs patches wiki |
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