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| 04:23.56 | PatrickC | infobot: welcome back :) |
| 04:23.56 | infobot | [all in unison] Hi, back :)! |
| 04:24.25 | PatrickC | lol |
| 04:25.12 | halfhalo | fail |
| 04:25.55 | Jack87 | halfhalo: lighten up |
| 04:26.18 | PatrickC | lol |
| 04:27.15 | halfhalo | its dark out |
| 04:27.33 | halfhalo | is not a flashlight |
| 04:29.17 | PatrickC | but your pre is |
| 04:31.58 | halfhalo | has no pre on him |
| 04:38.39 | PatrickC | then how are you IRCing? |
| 04:40.02 | halfhalo | I have... other devices? |
| 04:40.26 | PatrickC | iOS/android devices I see.. lol |
| 04:40.36 | PatrickC | I forgot about your android phone |
| 04:41.22 | halfhalo | more than that |
| 04:41.48 | PatrickC | well, a version ping only showed those devices |
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| 04:44.46 | Jack87 | preware really needs a cancel download button... or back gesture for canceling. closing and reopenning it just isn't elegant enough |
| 04:46.06 | Jack87 | halfhalo: you really need to Sprintify that Pre2 it will be well worth it I promise. and you can ditch that stupid samsung |
| 04:49.11 | Jack87 | rwhitby: make a note of that ^ |
| 04:50.10 | PatrickC | I like the idea for a cancel/backswipe to stop download |
| 04:51.44 | Jack87 | well it only makes sense. |
| 04:52.06 | Jack87 | kinda stupid that its been overlooked for so long |
| 04:52.33 | Jack87 | oil: you take a note of that as well. you are Mr. UI |
| 04:53.18 | PatrickC | lol |
| 04:53.26 | halfhalo | I heart my epics screen |
| 04:53.27 | PatrickC | well.. I'm off to bed.. night all |
| 04:55.53 | Jack87 | halfhalo: pre2 screen is amazing to and its not a stupid android phone you silly goose. |
| 04:56.30 | Jack87 | are you afraid of the comboard swap? I think thats the problem. its ok its not for the faint of heart |
| 04:56.52 | PatrickC | lol |
| 04:57.41 | Jack87 | goodnight |
| 04:58.01 | PatrickC | night |
| 04:58.57 | halfhalo | amoled ftw |
| 04:59.03 | halfhalo | has done swap before |
| 05:00.28 | Jack87 | whatever dude... we get it... its ok |
| 05:01.22 | SineOt | yeah amoled is pretty nice looking |
| 05:01.53 | Jack87 | its the only explanation why an avid webos user would turn to android while they have a pre2 |
| 05:02.42 | halfhalo | is ditching sprint soon enough... lack of service everywhere |
| 05:03.01 | Jack87 | has great sprint service everywhere |
| 05:03.03 | SineOt | Oh, but yeah... Conjecture |
| 05:03.20 | PatrickC | has great sprint service everywhere |
| 05:03.28 | SineOt | Sprint will launch a slate webOS device in August which will coincide with the release of 3.0 for the Pre3 and possibly Veer |
| 05:03.37 | SineOt | Slate device being the "flagship" 3.0 phone |
| 05:03.44 | halfhalo | has no service at home, work, or school |
| 05:04.06 | PatrickC | for at home, get an Airave |
| 05:04.17 | Jack87 | SineOt: define slate device... (is it no keyboard phone?) |
| 05:04.30 | PatrickC | yep |
| 05:04.31 | SineOt | yeah |
| 05:04.46 | halfhalo | meh |
| 05:04.48 | SineOt | there was a leaked photo of a keyboardless device |
| 05:05.02 | Jack87 | SineOt: what about this 6 month exclusivity talk about the veer on att? |
| 05:05.28 | SineOt | and the paired code names Mantaray and Stingray, and well, the Pre3 being one of the two leaves a matching similar device |
| 05:05.41 | SineOt | and what would fit better than a Pre3 without a keyboard? |
| 05:06.40 | Jack87 | is the virtual keyboard in webOS 2.x or only 3.x |
| 05:07.02 | SineOt | Jack87: I dunno, it's probably contractual but honestly... What else could they do with it? They've never launched a Tmo device and the only other options are both CDMA carriers and there's no other US GSM carrier that runs on the Veer's radio bands |
| 05:07.05 | PatrickC | there is a vkb in 2.x.. but its very unstable iirc |
| 05:07.17 | SineOt | So... 6 months from now I'd expect to see a CDMA Veer launch :p |
| 05:07.38 | SineOt | yeah the virtual keyboard in 2.0 is buggy as hell, it's basically the alpha version of what's in 3.0 now |
| 05:09.20 | Jack87 | I wonder if verizon actually cares about webos devices anymore. I mean they ignored it and pushed droid now they are pushing iphone I'm sure. |
| 05:10.02 | SineOt | Yeah, but then they picked up the Pre2 |
| 05:10.28 | Jack87 | sprint pushed the pre and it but them in the ass due to shitty hardware so I'm sure they are treding really careful now and not going to out all their eggs in one basket anymore |
| 05:10.28 | SineOt | After the Droid push and the looming release of the iPhone 4 |
| 05:11.05 | Jack87 | ya... but all the Pre 2 is used for is insurance replacment of pre plus owners |
| 05:11.24 | Jack87 | and no longer free mobile hot spot from what I understand |
| 05:11.36 | SineOt | Yeah, but in the past when I've dealt with insurance replacements for devices... They've just offered something "similar" |
| 05:11.51 | SineOt | picking up a new device just to use it as an insurance replacement would be a dumb move |
| 05:12.02 | SineOt | when they could just offer a cheap android set or something |
| 05:12.16 | SineOt | I had a few Motorolas that they wanted to replace with some beater Nokias |
| 05:12.36 | SineOt | so they obviously have had no qualms in the past about giving you way worse hardware as warranty replacements |
| 05:13.02 | Jack87 | so to avoid that they picked up a pre2 no? |
| 05:13.16 | SineOt | why would the avoid it though? They've done it a ton in the past |
| 05:14.03 | SineOt | and have a pretty sizeable Android selection if they were going to go Smartphone to Smartphone |
| 05:14.16 | Jack87 | I just hate how apple has saturated the market with their shitty software and over priced hardware |
| 05:15.04 | SineOt | For being "shitty" iOS sure set the bar and continually gets cloned by everything else on the market |
| 05:16.17 | halfhalo | yup |
| 05:16.30 | halfhalo | may or may not be on the ipads |
| 05:16.30 | SineOt | for the record I don't think iOS is shitty. Does some stuff stupid, sure, but everything at this point still does a lot of stupid stuff in one way or another |
| 05:17.02 | Jack87 | but iOS has so many limitations I feel so clostofobic on ios devices. but it does have awesome ada/accessibility features |
| 05:17.24 | SineOt | well, like what? I'm curious really |
| 05:17.29 | Jack87 | knows halfhalo is on an ipad |
| 05:17.58 | Jack87 | like what as in accessibility? |
| 05:18.01 | SineOt | Multitasking is a bit lame but that's one of the stupid things it does |
| 05:18.13 | SineOt | no, what makes you feel claustrophobic for it |
| 05:18.15 | oil | prefers to not be under a totalitarianism regime |
| 05:18.26 | oil | webos lets me do what i want |
| 05:18.51 | halfhalo | Lies |
| 05:19.06 | halfhalo | Hmm.. |
| 05:19.24 | halfhalo | Locked myself out of my phone |
| 05:20.30 | Jack87 | haha for one the crappy multitasking. the lack of easily accessing the internal, not being able to store things on the device other then music and videos which you must sync with itunes. and reliance on itunes |
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| 05:21.13 | Jack87 | oil: cancel button/back swipe for download stoppage in preware. to do list... write it down |
| 05:21.24 | oil | i saw your comment |
| 05:21.30 | SineOt | You can store stuff on device, it's just not really as simple as like, mounting the device as a drive |
| 05:21.47 | SineOt | which mostly is a side effect of it running an HFS+ file system to my knowledge |
| 05:22.46 | Jack87 | but that is one of the reasons I feel so claustrophobic. and I think its done intentionally by apple. |
| 05:23.12 | oil | i remember disabling the backswipe while an install is happening haha |
| 05:23.28 | SineOt | well of course it's done intentionally :p |
| 05:23.35 | SineOt | HFS+ lets you store more than 4GB files |
| 05:23.47 | SineOt | the only other option for support on both mac and windows would have been fat32 |
| 05:23.56 | Jack87 | oil: add a prompt... when back swipping during download process as a warning |
| 05:24.12 | oil | that it will leave the service in an unusable state requireing a restart? |
| 05:24.30 | oil | best to not let them muck it up |
| 05:24.54 | SineOt | "If you want to cancel it, why did you try to install it in the first place?" |
| 05:25.23 | oil | i can see reasons for wanting a cancel but to implement it is a lot of work |
| 05:25.23 | Jack87 | lol SineOt is sounding like steve jobs |
| 05:25.31 | oil | like "i didn |
| 05:25.39 | oil | didn't realize this app was 100mb" |
| 05:25.57 | Jack87 | its a bitch while downloading a large application 50Mb+ and wanting to stop |
| 05:26.11 | Jack87 | hehe that's what happened to me earlier today |
| 05:26.14 | oil | you should note that closing hte app does not stop the service |
| 05:26.30 | SineOt | nah, it's more like I raged about it when I got an iPod touch and then realized that it was easier to just deal with it than rage that Apple didn't write an NTFS driver for Windows XP lol |
| 05:26.41 | SineOt | er, an HFS+ not NTFS |
| 05:27.12 | Jack87 | lol no I ment the '<SineOt> "If you want to cancel it, why did you try to install it in the first place?"' |
| 05:27.20 | SineOt | oh, haha |
| 05:27.23 | SineOt | yeah well, it's true |
| 05:27.24 | oil | "you're holding it wrong" |
| 05:27.36 | SineOt | yeah, you're all holding it wrong |
| 05:27.42 | SineOt | I'm the only one who holds the Pre the right way |
| 05:27.46 | oil | "oh, that was a "bug" that we found" |
| 05:28.50 | Jack87 | steve jobs would say.. if you wanted to close an application why did you open it in the first place :) |
| 05:29.09 | SineOt | nah, he's not that dense :p |
| 05:29.11 | Jack87 | actually he did say that haha |
| 05:29.25 | SineOt | ah, with what app? |
| 05:29.43 | Jack87 | someone asked who you close them in his keynote and he replied 'why would you want to close it' |
| 05:30.01 | SineOt | how you close what |
| 05:30.05 | SineOt | iOS apps? |
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| 05:30.25 | Jack87 | s/who/how/ |
| 05:30.40 | Jack87 | ya if I recall correctly |
| 05:32.17 | Jack87 | oil: so canceling the download service is not doable? |
| 05:33.42 | oil | its not like it already supports it and we just have it disabled |
| 05:35.21 | SineOt | everyone knows that webOS and Preware supports everything ever |
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| 05:35.34 | SineOt | it's just EVIL config files disabling everything |
| 05:36.53 | Jack87 | time to figure out a way to support it no? I mean its a pretty basic ui concept that should be available don't you think? |
| 05:39.32 | oil | maybe, but i dislike "add this to your todo list" like you're my boss, that makes me not want do anything you say even if its a good idea :) |
| 05:39.55 | SineOt | oil: I want you to party hard and punch a baby |
| 05:39.57 | Jack87 | lol I wasn't meaning it to sound that way |
| 05:40.03 | oil | and mojo is on its deathbed |
| 05:40.06 | SineOt | gonna need those baby punchin' reports by monday |
| 05:40.51 | Jack87 | it was more teasing than anything else. I do apologize if it came out that way |
| 05:40.54 | oil | any improvements to the current mojo preware just feels like a waste of time nowadays |
| 05:41.25 | oil | especially since nothing is really broken, it still works as it always did |
| 05:41.27 | halfhalo | lol |
| 05:43.40 | oil | anyways, now im leaving, bbl :) |
| 05:43.57 | halfhalo | lies |
| 05:44.07 | Jack87 | adios |
| 05:45.51 | Jack87 | halfhalo: did you buy an ipad2? |
| 05:46.17 | halfhalo | no |
| 05:46.23 | halfhalo | why would i |
| 05:46.49 | halfhalo | ok... decision time... to slingbox or not to slingbox.... |
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| 07:18.23 | rwhitby | morning |
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| 11:12.16 | Color99 | I''m still looking for linphone binaries. I'd like to be a tester. I hope to get a link. |
| 11:12.44 | rwhitby | Color99: what device and sip provider? |
| 11:16.18 | Color99 | rwhitby: Pixi plus, Four SIPs. |
| 11:16.30 | Color99 | I'll list SIPs then. |
| 11:26.45 | Color99 | rwhitby: I checked my two ATAs, The SIPs are sipsorcery, voipbuster, sipgate.com (US), ipcomms. I'd like to be a long term tester. Try different SIP, give comparisons. |
| 11:50.57 | rwhitby | Color99: see /msg and report in the precentral thread |
| 11:56.11 | morphis | rwhitby: do you know of anyone already has access to a webos doctor for the HP Veer? |
| 11:56.18 | Color99 | rwhitby: I saw your post: http://discussion.treocentral.com/webos-internals/274615-linphone-alpha-testing.html |
| 11:56.55 | rwhitby | morphis: not that I know of. they have never released a doctor before the device is released, and the veer is not released yet. |
| 11:57.28 | morphis | rwhitby: ok then I have to wait until it gets released :) |
| 11:57.36 | Color99 | rwhitby: my login is color99, could u please PM me a link? Thank you. |
| 11:57.44 | rwhitby | Color99: I sent you a /msg here |
| 12:04.10 | morphis | ok, the veer is available today (http://www.precentral.net/grab-your-hp-veer-4g-ATT-right-now-links-pricing-and-more) |
| 12:07.12 | morphis | rwhitby: do we have another way to get the doctor than inserting the serial number in the HP support side? |
| 12:07.21 | rwhitby | no |
| 12:07.34 | morphis | ok |
| 12:07.54 | rwhitby | I have already tried the serial from the review units. Not accepted. |
| 12:09.28 | morphis | ok |
| 12:09.44 | morphis | but it's allowed to provide the link to the doctor? |
| 12:09.49 | morphis | rwhitby: so you have a review unit? |
| 12:12.09 | rwhitby | morphis: no |
| 12:12.24 | morphis | rwhitby: ok |
| 12:12.29 | rwhitby | some reviews showed the serial number in the published screenshots |
| 12:12.38 | morphis | :D |
| 12:14.38 | rwhitby | hmm - I wonder if the Veer should use the armv7 or armv6 feeds in Preware |
| 12:15.19 | morphis | isn't it a armv7? |
| 12:18.05 | morphis | rwhitby: I am mostly interested in the telephony part - if it will be the same as in the Pre devices |
| 12:18.37 | roxfan | "The Veer contains a speedy 800MHz Qualcomm MSM7230" |
| 12:18.54 | roxfan | looks like ARMv7 |
| 12:19.48 | morphis | MSM723045 nm800 MHzARMv7 |
| 12:19.50 | morphis | say wikipedia |
| 12:19.53 | morphis | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip) |
| 12:21.18 | rwhitby | Interesting. The palm profile server is now rejecting logins if DMSETS is incorrect. |
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| 12:53.25 | PatrickC | morning |
| 12:53.25 | PatrickC | yawns |
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| 13:13.38 | rwhitby | bbt |
| 13:15.22 | PatrickC | cya rwhitby |
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| 15:56.28 | morphis | somebody here already has a HP Veer? |
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| 16:50.59 | bpadalino | if so, i'd hope they can give a link to the doctor used and update http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions |
| 16:56.23 | morphis | bpadalino: yes thats what I am think about, too |
| 16:56.32 | bpadalino | :) |
| 16:57.02 | Loudergood | tempted to go down to the local AT&T and take some pictures of one |
| 16:57.46 | bpadalino | go for it .. maybe grab one of a device info screen |
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| 18:10.26 | destinal | bpadalino: yeah, a serial # would let us see if a doctor image is out for it |
| 18:10.51 | bpadalino | indeed - who wants to take a trip to bb or att ? |
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| 18:26.31 | mafu6 | hello all |
| 18:26.56 | mafu6 | please dont be mad with me as im am all new to this and webOS Palm/HP |
| 18:28.06 | mafu6 | i bought a Pre 2 of ebay France (I live in the UK) now what happens if the phone becomes faulty can i send back to UK for repairs or do i have to deal with the French Palm ? |
| 18:31.03 | bpadalino | you should be able to deal with whichever hp/palm you want |
| 18:34.07 | mafu6 | i hope so i have been after a pre 2 for ages but due to money issues as only being sold sim free in UK i finally decided to sell my wp7 and get one as i found it cheap on ebay.fr |
| 18:34.33 | mafu6 | r u in uk bpadlino? |
| 18:35.15 | bpadalino | i am not |
| 18:37.59 | mafu6 | the pre 2 has a azerty keyboard but due to me only using a qwerty keyboard on my laptop i should get used to a azerty one easily enough on the pre 2, has anyone moved from a qwerty yo a azerty? |
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| 19:04.11 | mafu6 | will someone please help me if possible |
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| 19:06.20 | mafu6 | whats the differenece between app catalouges ? |
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| 19:16.44 | mafu6 | stupid question if a pre 2 has been activated in france will the app cataloge still be in english? |
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| 21:40.35 | smknutson | anyone on with a sprint pre plus and 2.1?? |
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