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| 00:58.21 | Cerealklr | Hey guys! Anybody have any experience working with the PalmDatabase file (/var/luna/data/dbdata/PalmDatabase.db3)? I was looking to get at it programmatically. I can view it just fine in SQLite, but my SQLite lib won't open it. Tried a bunch of workarounds, (including exporting it to SQL statements and then executing those) but everything is erroring out. I find it hard to believe the DB is in as shoddy condition as the sqlit |
| 00:58.23 | Cerealklr | e editor and the library are both suggesting, so I'm pretty sure i'm messing up somewhere! |
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| 00:59.08 | Cerealklr | Backstory: Wanted to build a quick LISP program to let me get at my texts on the computer more easily so I can run some statistical analysis on them |
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| 01:16.01 | Cerealklr | Mmkay, for anyone interested, found a python program that did the difficult comprehensions for me and exported to a text file. I guess I'll swap over to using my regexp skills rather than my apparently shakier sqlite skills in LISP. =P The thread: http://discussion.treocentral.com/web-os-development/209028-extract-full-sms-log-text-file-palmdatabase-db3-using-sql.html |
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| 01:43.34 | NuttyBunny | Cerealklr: An extra lib is needed to open the palmdatabase file on-device |
| 01:44.20 | Cerealklr | NuttyBunny: Huh, that's interesting. I wonder how this guy was able to work it with just a sqlite3 lib in python then... |
| 01:45.18 | NuttyBunny | maybe some queries can get through, but others can't |
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| 01:53.04 | Cerealklr | NuttyBunny: Could be. Actually i'm playing with the python source now. It exports all inbound texts but none of the outbound ones. |
| 01:53.15 | Cerealklr | Will report if I find out anything else useful |
| 01:53.43 | Cerealklr | I think i've identified the pattern that's been filtering them out, but I need to run out for a bit before I get a chance to actually take a look at it |
| 01:54.40 | NuttyBunny | Nice, several people have poked into the messaging database, but none of us (myself included) have got far enough to be able to restore the messages into a new device |
| 02:02.13 | Cerealklr | NuttyBunny: Back! Well excellent, I might finally have something to contribute back to the community then. =] |
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| 02:10.00 | Cerealklr | NuttyBunny: Yep, figured out why it was scrapping the texts I've sent! |
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| 02:10.37 | Cerealklr | While extracting from the database, it drops any lines that don't have the first name of the message sender |
| 02:11.15 | Cerealklr | Either because I didn't have myself as a contact, or because that field simply isn't populated for outgoing messages, none of my messages met the requirement |
| 02:11.19 | Cerealklr | and got dropped |
| 02:13.52 | Cerealklr | 1st Attempt: Attribute all messages that have a body of text but are not associated to a first name to me |
| 02:14.41 | Cerealklr | Status: FAIL. Dumps in every single person who didn't have a contact into my list. This is especially a problem since I use Google Voice, and Google Voice didn't masquerade as the sender's numbers until Sprint rolled out full GV integration |
| 02:16.11 | Cerealklr | 2nd Attempt: for all messages orphaned from a named contact, substitute the Recipient.address (phone number) as the contacts name |
| 02:18.52 | Cerealklr | yep, that looks to have fixed the problem |
| 02:19.42 | Cerealklr | well, to an extent... it's attributed a number that most certainly is not mine to me, which casts doubt on whether the other numbers are correct as well. Intriguing |
| 02:20.05 | Cerealklr | Furthermore, it's split my messages up into a number of groups |
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| 02:22.27 | Cerealklr | loops as though com_palm_pim_Recipient.address might actually ALWAYS be the external number. E.g. It would be (correctly) the number of the sender in the case of inbound messages, but the number of the recipient in the case of outbound messages |
| 02:23.14 | Cerealklr | cursory comparison of several inputs suggests that's the case |
| 02:24.20 | Cerealklr | In which case, I can salvage all of my outbound messages to actual contacts by setting aside all unnamed texts, then looping through to see if the recipient number is in the contact list (if it is, that would mean it was a message I had sent to that contact) |
| 02:24.48 | Cerealklr | Would still prefer a more robust solution that didn't require contacts though |
| 02:25.46 | Cerealklr | just examining the com_palm_pin-FolderEntry table, it occurs to me that the fromAddress field is left blank on all outbound texts |
| 02:26.04 | Cerealklr | which might be the silver bullet for identifying those robustly |
| 02:28.34 | Cerealklr | Bingo |
| 02:28.40 | Cerealklr | I love it when a plan comes together! |
| 02:52.28 | Cerealklr | NuttyBunny: Okay, i've fixed up the script. The code could certainly still use some cleaning, but it does the job. To the best of my knowledge, every single incoming and outgoing text is now spit out. Texts are split into groups by sender and ordered by time sent from earliest to most recent |
| 02:53.08 | Cerealklr | Now i'm going to save a copy of it and then get to work having it spit out the information in an easier to parse format. |
| 02:53.48 | Cerealklr | XML seems a little overkill, but I'll give it some thought and set it up tomorrow. |
| 02:54.08 | Cerealklr | Either way, about bedtime now. so i'll be off. Thanks for the help and moral support! =] |
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| 02:59.58 | threethirty | howdy all |
| 03:00.43 | threethirty | anyone know of a way to do this in webos? http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2011/05/lazydroid-controls-your-android-phone-from-your-web-browser/ |
| 03:01.51 | Cerealklr | @threethirty: Well, absolute simplest way to do it is through Google Voice. If that is out of the picture, I have a feeling there is a way to set this up, but I don't know that it's been done yet by anyone |
| 03:01.52 | SineOt | Yeah... Use Google Voice :p |
| 03:02.07 | Cerealklr | SineOt: Ninja'd |
| 03:02.11 | Cerealklr | =P |
| 03:02.19 | SineOt | Boooooo |
| 03:02.22 | Cerealklr | Anyway, i'm off to bed all, g'night! |
| 03:03.24 | threethirty | Cerealklr, ty, and nn |
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| 04:15.06 | NuttyBunny | Cerealklr: Now develop a script to import those conversations in a new database, sqlite or db8 and everyone will be happy! :D |
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| 05:20.46 | PatrickC | I made a meta-doc that has auto-install preware set to on, but preware never installs |
| 05:21.16 | PatrickC | I see the preware icon with the little "installing" circle at the top of the icon, but it never installs.. |
| 05:21.23 | halfhalo | runroh |
| 05:22.11 | PatrickC | yeah... and I have to uninstall/reinstall preware 2 times usually to fix it |
| 05:23.50 | PatrickC | argg... g2g |
| 05:23.52 | PatrickC | bbl |
| 05:24.33 | PatrickC | ping me if someone can help, I'll stay logged on as long as the phone will stay logged on. |
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| 14:57.38 | PatrickC | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.44 | PatrickC | I see the preware icon with the little "installing" circle at the top of the icon, but it never installs.. |
| 14:57.52 | PatrickC | and I have to uninstall/reinstall preware 2 times usually to fix it |
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| 16:20.26 | unsigned | Hello, I want to create a patch that stops certain annoying notifications that my carrier sends.. (http://imgur.com/a/Cc98k) |
| 16:20.36 | unsigned | Whats the best way to go about doing that? |
| 16:21.52 | PatrickC | not sure |
| 16:26.03 | IGNTNUNLMTD | Holy crap, a carrier worse than VZW? Say it ain't so! |
| 16:26.20 | NuttyBunny | unsigned: You could poke around in/usr/lib/luna/system/luna-systemui |
| 16:26.27 | NuttyBunny | IGNTNUNLMTD: Meet Telcel in Mexico! :D |
| 16:26.43 | PatrickC | haha |
| 16:26.44 | unsigned | IGNTNUNLMTD, I get these once ever hour.. |
| 16:26.50 | IGNTNUNLMTD | O.O |
| 16:26.51 | unsigned | just to remind me how lucky I am to get serviced |
| 16:26.55 | PatrickC | usigned: wow |
| 16:27.12 | IGNTNUNLMTD | NuttyBunny: what's so bad about Telcel? |
| 16:27.27 | NuttyBunny | I get some "Sim Services: Check ADN" notifications every now and then |
| 16:27.31 | PatrickC | they are on 1.4.(1)? |
| 16:28.15 | NuttyBunny | IGNTNUNLMTD: Pricing policies, they have webOS stuck on 1.4.0, they cripple Androids by taking off most google apps and inserting yahoo ones, the service is horrible.. |
| 16:28.41 | IGNTNUNLMTD | re: the Yahoo... rofl, that's awful |
| 16:28.44 | NuttyBunny | but they have the largest gsm network here :( |
| 16:28.45 | IGNTNUNLMTD | and same with 1.4.0 |
| 16:29.31 | NuttyBunny | they told me that it didn't pass the "homologation" area (wtf?)... My guess was that since they didn't get a cut from the app sales, they didn't allowed their users to buy apps |
| 16:29.36 | PatrickC | wait... Yahoo apps on android? hahaha |
| 16:30.41 | PatrickC | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.46 | PatrickC | I see the preware icon with the little "installing" circle at the top of the icon, but it never installs.. |
| 16:30.51 | PatrickC | and I have to uninstall/reinstall preware 2 times usually to fix it |
| 16:31.28 | RagingMind | Voices or Voice Memos? |
| 16:31.29 | NuttyBunny | PatrickC, yep, it's a known bug, I don't know how you didn't knew of it... it's (buried) in the 5000posts thread for the 2.1 update!!! :D LOL |
| 16:31.58 | PatrickC | lol.. |
| 16:32.07 | PatrickC | probably should have googled :P |
| 16:32.35 | NuttyBunny | reboots the Plus.... everyone, please, cross fingers.... if this works, the barrier that didn't let me go on with the plugins will be lifted |
| 16:32.43 | RagingMind | NuttyBunny IGNTNUNLMTD, I'd take yahoo maps over google any day |
| 16:33.01 | IGNTNUNLMTD | But I'd take Bing over both... go webOS! :) |
| 16:33.30 | IGNTNUNLMTD | crosses fingers! |
| 16:33.36 | NuttyBunny | prefers NDrive... :D |
| 16:33.39 | PatrickC | id take nDrive over all any day :) |
| 16:33.40 | RagingMind | google maps are just aweful |
| 16:33.42 | PatrickC | haha |
| 16:34.02 | PatrickC | nuttybunny: High Five! |
| 16:34.09 | RagingMind | I can't afford ndrive :-P |
| 16:34.14 | NuttyBunny | PatrickC: hahaha |
| 16:34.26 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: Me neither.... that's the reason we're beta testers ;) |
| 16:34.40 | RagingMind | and I have a Vzw Pre+... my GPS isn't worth spending that kind of money on |
| 16:34.47 | PatrickC | hmm.. my "K" key, which should show ":" as the alt, shows "`" |
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| 16:34.58 | PatrickC | RagingMind: see PM :) |
| 16:35.49 | NuttyBunny | Ok, plus booted.. fingers crossed, creating account... |
| 16:36.06 | PatrickC | crosses every part of his body :D |
| 16:36.15 | IGNTNUNLMTD | RagingMind: Truth, VZW sucks re: GPS |
| 16:36.28 | NuttyBunny | ok, it's really hard to type with the fingers crossed |
| 16:36.28 | IGNTNUNLMTD | although the Pre 2... not so bad! |
| 16:36.36 | IGNTNUNLMTD | NuttyBunny: lol |
| 16:36.51 | PatrickC | haha |
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| 16:37.54 | NuttyBunny | well, it didn't work as expected, but at least it didn't crash |
| 16:38.04 | webOSBuckeye | hey guys do you still need tokens for the Veer? |
| 16:38.14 | webOSBuckeye | i have'em ready to go in an e-mail, just need an address to send them to... |
| 16:39.41 | RagingMind | webOSBuckeye, I think rwhitby may be interested, but I'm pretty sure this is his sleepy time |
| 16:40.43 | IGNTNUNLMTD | tokens? |
| 16:41.20 | webOSBuckeye | anyone have an e-mail for him? yeah tokens from the show properties app |
| 16:42.03 | Loudergood | how about a link to a webos doctor? |
| 16:42.48 | NuttyBunny | cries and returns to his corner, blames /lib/libc.so.6 |
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| 16:48.15 | NuttyBunny | returns hopping around |
| 16:48.49 | NuttyBunny | IT FREAKING WORKS!! IT SEEMS TO WORK AS INTENDED!! :D |
| 16:48.58 | NuttyBunny | tests his other accounts |
| 16:49.20 | RagingMind | NuttyBunny, what are you doing that's different from the messaging plugins in the forums? |
| 16:49.56 | morphis | NuttyBunny: I merged your patch for the fso-installer |
| 16:51.08 | NuttyBunny | morphis: Nice, thanks! Sorry for the mixup, it was the first time I needed to generate a git patch :D |
| 16:51.48 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: It's EXACTLY the same, in fact, what I just managed to do is to jump from Greg's compiling environment to Rod's WIDK :D |
| 16:52.52 | RagingMind | so now it can be in preware? |
| 16:52.58 | morphis | NuttyBunny: no problem at all |
| 16:53.17 | PatrickC | NuttyBunny: I don't see an email yet ;) |
| 16:53.18 | morphis | NuttyBunny: I fixed one mistake you made, you did a "tar --xz" which cannot work |
| 16:53.26 | morphis | NuttyBunny: should be a "tar -- -xz" |
| 16:55.03 | NuttyBunny | morphis: mmm... yes... there's a possibility that it slipped by :) but hey, you got the idea of that on-the-fly decompressing :D |
| 16:56.40 | NuttyBunny | PatrickC: email? it's still crashing, not as often, I still have some work to do ... and it's still incomplete, fbchat is not there, and I still have to rebuild sametime and office communicator.... The first hurdle is the crash |
| 16:57.09 | PatrickC | well.. at least it isn't crashing :) |
| 16:57.23 | PatrickC | well.. not atm.. once I get it it probably will lol |
| 16:57.55 | NuttyBunny | it crashed here, twice now... gonna rebuild other libraries, hold on |
| 16:58.04 | PatrickC | ok |
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| 16:58.20 | PatrickC | holds onto desk |
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| 17:00.05 | morphis | NuttyBunny: yes, I got it :) |
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| 17:08.30 | PatrickC | just found a freehost with unlimited FTP and bandwidth hehe |
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| 17:10.17 | Loudergood | PatrickC: really? |
| 17:10.28 | PatrickC | yeah.. and they give 3 email accounts |
| 17:15.05 | PatrickC | http://x10hosting.com is the address irc |
| 17:15.07 | PatrickC | iirc* |
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| 17:23.01 | NuttyBunny | mmm... checking out |
| 17:23.13 | NuttyBunny | s/out/ it / |
| 17:23.23 | NuttyBunny | grr |
| 17:23.31 | Cerealklr | close enough. =] |
| 17:24.04 | PatrickC | hehe |
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| 17:27.47 | NuttyBunny | PatrickC: But I cannot use my domain there :S |
| 17:27.53 | PatrickC | why? |
| 17:31.15 | NuttyBunny | I can't host nuttybunny.com with the free version :) |
| 17:31.27 | IGNTNUNLMTD | if one was to buy paid hosting, MediaTemple seems expensive but it's the best out there by far |
| 17:35.09 | NuttyBunny | Well, it will be later, right now I only would host a couple of things :) |
| 17:36.12 | Loudergood | yeah I've heard good things about nearly free speech |
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| 18:12.42 | mandaman2k | Hi all, i was looking if someone could help me with the issue that the messaging app does not reconnect after the connection is lost |
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| 18:36.58 | mandaman2k | anyone? please? |
| 18:41.14 | ka6sox-sick | which messaging app? |
| 18:42.21 | mandaman2k | gtalk |
| 18:43.15 | mandaman2k | what happens is that in 2.1.0 there is a code where it says that if signal is low or no data connection, to disconnect |
| 18:43.45 | mandaman2k | but after you gain data connection again, it wont reconnect to gtalk or any other IM service |
| 18:44.33 | ka6sox-sick | have you contacted the maintainer of that app? |
| 18:47.18 | mandaman2k | umm, it is the stock messaging app from webos... |
| 18:47.45 | ka6sox-sick | then its more appropriate (and you might get more help) in #webos |
| 18:53.43 | NuttyBunny | mandaman2k: It's set that way in the source code. As soon as I manage to recompile it properly (it crashes when connecting to a TLS server), I'll post an update to Greg's plugins, and maybe I'll patch Palm's libraries as well |
| 18:55.39 | mandaman2k | NuttyBunny: oh ok thanks, and a patch is what i was thinking about, but i've never done a patch so i thought that maybe with your help we could make one |
| 18:58.15 | NuttyBunny | mandaman2k: There are 2 options for doing this: 1. Change the purpletransport library, patching the source code, and recompiling it, or create a routine that waits for a connection to come up, and then issue a connect signal to the messaging app. The second option is more universal, and could be more configurable, but the idea just came last wednesday, and well, U2 came and I didn't do anything in the weekend :) |
| 19:00.09 | mandaman2k | hahaha, I know, I also went to U2, what a great concert, but the f#@!ing traffic was not normal |
| 19:00.23 | mandaman2k | and yes i was thinking also on the second option |
| 19:02.00 | mandaman2k | NuttyBunny: umm and when do you think your are going to start on the patch? so maybe I could help you |
| 19:06.44 | NuttyBunny | mandaman2k: well... I hope no later than this week, but I really want to fix the plugins first. |
| 19:08.08 | mandaman2k | ok ok, or could you guide me on how to start the patch? to gain a little bit of time |
| 19:10.24 | NuttyBunny | mandaman2k: well, the idea is to code a function that has a callback that gets activated whenever a network connection goes online, this function should call every messaging account and set them to online. I haven't look at the files and I really don't know where to put the function, from where we should be making the callback, and the parameters for the messaging app, so, right now, the progress could be stated as -100% ;) |
| 19:12.35 | mandaman2k | NuttyBunny: wow it is much harder than I expected, but I'll start reviewing the source code of the messaging app to see were to send the connect command |
| 19:13.53 | NuttyBunny | mandaman2k: ok! :D |
| 19:16.10 | PatrickC | mandaman2k: this patch is gonna be tough.. fyi :) |
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| 19:24.08 | mandaman2k | PatrickC: NuttyBunny: The sourcecode for the 2.1.2 from the veer hasn't been uploaded, right? beacuse we could also check if this issue was resolved on that update and back port it this one..... |
| 19:24.29 | PatrickC | check opensource.palm.com |
| 19:26.01 | NuttyBunny | mandaman2k: I really don't think so, they tend to release source code a week after the doctors hit the page |
| 19:27.01 | mandaman2k | NuttyBunny: ok i'll keep checking often to see when it is uploaded |
| 19:28.06 | mandaman2k | NuttyBunny: this code, http://forums.precentral.net/general-webos-chat/282197-google-talk-webos-2-0-doesnt-re-login-after-signal-loss.html#post2960194 where did you find it? |
| 19:28.17 | NuttyBunny | mandaman2k: yeah, check on PreCentral, I'll have 2 preware feeds, one for testing and one for releases, I'll post them on the thread. |
| 19:29.11 | NuttyBunny | mandaman2k: imlibtransport service, it's on Palm's open source page |
| 19:29.36 | mandaman2k | NuttyBunny, ok great thanks |
| 19:29.49 | NuttyBunny | aaaaaaaand... Outlook died again... stupid Microsoft :@ |
| 19:30.21 | mandaman2k | jajajajaja, no comments |
| 19:31.21 | NuttyBunny | The worst thing that can happen is that you are answering an email, move to other thing, then it dies, and you forget of the email... :S |
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| 19:38.29 | oc80z | hey uNiXpSyChO |
| 19:38.50 | oc80z | erround? is there VIA Padlock AES support on the orig pre/pre2 etc..? |
| 19:39.36 | oc80z | kernel modules, cryptographic api modules, kmod crypto-core (has the AES/SHA hw crypto stuffs, for SSL/AES256BF) |
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| 21:28.12 | scotter | does anybody know what causes the music player to randomly skip certain tracks? |
| 21:28.58 | scotter | There is nothing with the tracks themselves that raises any flags to me, they're a mixture of different types, some m4a some mp3 etc |
| 21:29.44 | NuttyBunny | scotter: Nope, mine does it as well :S |
| 21:31.04 | scotter | strange, is it a known issue? |
| 21:31.35 | bnceo` | sigh |
| 21:31.39 | bnceo` | I just got back from the AT&T store |
| 21:31.44 | bnceo` | who wants to read my experience? |
| 21:32.12 | SineOt | bnceo`: did the Veer have Facebook preinstalled on it? |
| 21:32.17 | bnceo` | nope |
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| 21:32.28 | bnceo` | guess you want to read it? |
| 21:32.42 | NuttyBunny | scotter: Well, no, I haven't seen it reported |
| 21:32.43 | SineOt | I mostly just want the Exhibition enabled Facebook app :C |
| 21:32.54 | NuttyBunny | bnceo`: I want to read |
| 21:33.22 | bnceo` | http://forums.precentral.net/showthread.php?p=2964255#post2964255 |
| 21:33.34 | bnceo` | SineOt: that's coming I bet |
| 21:33.47 | bnceo` | it just seems like such a cool idea to have a live FB feed |
| 21:34.07 | SineOt | Yeah, but it's kind of annoying. They showed it off on device at the Feb 9th event, press shots of the Veer show it |
| 21:34.12 | SineOt | but you can't get it anywhere |
| 21:34.23 | bnceo` | I DLed Angry Birds on the phone |
| 21:34.34 | bnceo` | but the way they have the security band, it's hard to fully launch |
| 21:35.26 | bnceo` | I should have looked for Facebook. That's my bad |
| 21:35.47 | SineOt | Nah, no worries. I'm still only seeing 1.5 on my Pre2 |
| 21:36.04 | SineOt | and it's not included in the doctor |
| 21:36.14 | bnceo` | it wouldn't be included in doc |
| 21:36.20 | SineOt | so it's either 2.1.2 only (not likely) or it just hasn't been shipped yet |
| 21:38.13 | Jack87 | scotter: sometimes the headphones jack mess with tracks |
| 21:38.28 | bnceo` | FB is being worked on for 2.1 devices according to Kerris |
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| 21:38.39 | Jack87 | try it. play songs and fiddle with the headphones in the port ever so slightly |
| 21:39.07 | scotter | Jack87: it happens even without using headphones |
| 21:39.10 | NuttyBunny | Jack87: It skips complete tracks |
| 21:40.03 | rwhitby | bnceo`: kerris actually only said facebook is being worked on. my assumption is he means an enyo facebook app that will only work on webos 3.x devices |
| 21:40.34 | bnceo` | Hmm, I would say that's the bigger project, but there has to be an intermediate update for phones |
| 21:41.01 | rwhitby | "there has to be"? I doubt it. webOS 2.x is dead to Palm, everyone is working on 3.x |
| 21:41.28 | bnceo` | So no FB update for phones until they got 3.0? |
| 21:41.32 | bnceo` | wonder how long away that is |
| 21:41.44 | IGNTNUNLMTD | this mentality of "there has to be" among webOS users is getting more and more sickening |
| 21:41.46 | rwhitby | unless they have two facebook teams, why would they put their only team on anything other than for the touchpad? |
| 21:42.05 | NuttyBunny | Agreed :( |
| 21:42.27 | NuttyBunny | but they should at least fix the ssl and the timeline bugs :S |
| 21:42.40 | bnceo` | Sorry Rod. What NB said. That's what I meant |
| 21:42.50 | bnceo` | fix the bugs and let the phone people hold over for a bit |
| 21:43.00 | bnceo` | I didn't mean a full on 2.0 update for phones. Just a big fix |
| 21:43.03 | bnceo` | bug* |
| 21:44.11 | NuttyBunny | preps "the Pixi". |
| 21:44.34 | bnceo | :o |
| 21:44.40 | bnceo | the infamous/famous pixi 2.0 project? |
| 21:44.54 | Loudergood | he's called nutty for a reason ;) |
| 21:44.58 | bnceo | haha |
| 21:45.03 | NuttyBunny | Yep... it can't be done with a Doctor |
| 21:46.36 | bnceo | so yeah |
| 21:46.44 | bnceo | I'm sorta still steaming at my local AT&T store |
| 21:46.59 | NuttyBunny | And, like Palm, I need to move on other things. I don't know how I got dragged onto this :S |
| 21:48.02 | NuttyBunny | rwhitby: On every "full erase" and "erase apps and data", the devmode_enabled file gets wiped? |
| 21:48.09 | rwhitby | yes |
| 21:48.15 | rwhitby | it's in /var |
| 21:48.44 | NuttyBunny | right :) Thanks |
| 21:48.53 | SineOt | rwhitby: and not just for the TouchPad, since I remember them stating that the 2.x/3.x lines will merge later on which I take to assume that 3.0 will arrive on phones |
| 21:51.46 | phoque_uni | wild... somehow Preware is now notifying me of an update for one of my apps that I've added using the FeedGenerator and Dropbox |
| 21:51.50 | phoque_uni | I did that days ago |
| 21:52.30 | SineOt | totally conjecture, but if a webOS slate exists then I have a feeling it wasn't announced just because it would have meant a 3.0 launch for phones + tablet for the virtual keyboard, and it would have looked bad to be launching the Pre3 on 2.x and the Pre Slate on 3.x |
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| 21:58.57 | PatrickC | bnceo: nice read |
| 22:00.14 | NuttyBunny | cloning the Pixi.. |
| 22:02.04 | NuttyBunny | bnceo: damn, those people suck :( |
| 22:02.36 | SineOt | that's par for the course though. retail floor people in carrier stores tend to know nothing about the products they're selling |
| 22:02.42 | SineOt | because it's just a job, not an enjoyment |
| 22:07.04 | Jack87 | I'm reading that thread now and its very disappointing. also making me want a veer. however I'm on sprint. |
| 22:07.39 | PatrickC | keeps getting emails from AT&T about an IRC botnet.. |
| 22:07.43 | PatrickC | uhoh |
| 22:07.56 | halfhalo | those silly botnets |
| 22:08.09 | PatrickC | well.. this is the second one. :/ |
| 22:08.22 | IGNTNUNLMTD | thing is, I bet you almost any of us in here could sell more of any kind of any phone from a carrier store in 1 day than their best sales rep |
| 22:08.31 | halfhalo | Still debating wether to pick up a veer or focus friday... gah... |
| 22:09.21 | IGNTNUNLMTD | just think of the TouchPiss UI |
| 22:09.29 | IGNTNUNLMTD | that should be enough to dissuade you |
| 22:09.31 | PatrickC | what? lol |
| 22:09.37 | IGNTNUNLMTD | or is the Focus the Windows 7 version? |
| 22:09.50 | ctbeiser | The focus felt pretty cheap and chintzy to me when I used it, and from my experience with samsung hardware, it's not something I'd buy. |
| 22:09.55 | halfhalo | what touchpiss ui... the focus is a samsung wp7 with the superawesome superamoled |
| 22:10.31 | PatrickC | thinks all halfhalo cares about is amoled :D |
| 22:10.52 | IGNTNUNLMTD | ah |
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| 22:11.18 | Cerealklr | well, from the demo pics, I'll attest that W7P has a sort of metro flare to it, but I think it's like trying to dress the dog up in pearls and taking it to dinner =P |
| 22:11.23 | IGNTNUNLMTD | TouchPiss = my special, deserving name for TouchWiz UI = the single worst UI and UX in the mobile market today |
| 22:11.35 | IGNTNUNLMTD | generally I hate Samsung |
| 22:11.48 | Cerealklr | ^^^^ Agreed. God the Instinct was atrocious |
| 22:11.59 | Cerealklr | Good riddance. |
| 22:12.08 | ctbeiser | The thing I dislike about WP7 is that it's pretty much impossible to get anything done quickly at all. |
| 22:12.15 | PatrickC | IGNTNUNLMTD: ah |
| 22:12.16 | halfhalo | For a device that would be my main media player (as the samsung would), superamoled is a requirement, The plain amoled on my epic is nice as it is. Buuuuttttt I also want to dev on the veer now... |
| 22:12.35 | ctbeiser | It's insanely pretty, granted, but it's impossible to actually use.. |
| 22:12.35 | IGNTNUNLMTD | get the Veer and then a TouchPad |
| 22:12.38 | IGNTNUNLMTD | you won't be sorry |
| 22:12.50 | SineOt | unless one of them kills your family |
| 22:12.54 | SineOt | then you'll be sorry |
| 22:13.01 | Cerealklr | He makes a good point |
| 22:13.05 | Cerealklr | I'd take it into consideration |
| 22:13.09 | ctbeiser | Why is it that people want to watch movies on telephones? I just don't get it. |
| 22:13.33 | PatrickC | ctbeiser: I want to |
| 22:13.44 | PatrickC | like, on a trip.. netflix would be awesome |
| 22:14.10 | halfhalo | If I get the veer now, I doubt i will get a wp7 device for a long time. However, If i get the focus now, I'll just end up buying the veer off contract within a few months just to have one |
| 22:14.30 | SineOt | I used to not get it, but then I realized that laying in bed holding something smaller than a laptop/tablet is awesome |
| 22:14.48 | Cerealklr | halfhalo: Well the simple solution is to find one of each to play with |
| 22:14.52 | SineOt | oil: oh, my death grip on the Pre? It also works holding it upside down. I KNEW there was a reason why I held it like that |
| 22:15.16 | Cerealklr | I know that if Sprint ever manages to stock a Pre3 I'm upgrading to that, but I had to play with WebOS for 15 minutes before I chose it over a 'droid |
| 22:15.24 | halfhalo | Cerealklr: I have played with both |
| 22:16.02 | Cerealklr | halfhalo: Then experience should end up guiding you. Tally up the utility of both in your most typical use cases. =] |
| 22:16.36 | IGNTNUNLMTD | so that settles it: get the Veer, be happy. |
| 22:17.01 | Jack87 | Cerealklr: webos on pre2 and beyond is a whole different experine |
| 22:17.06 | Jack87 | experince* |
| 22:17.07 | Cerealklr | Of course, we're more or less in this room because we see something in WebOS that we don't see in the competition. If you want a fully unbiased opinion it's going to have to be your own. =] |
| 22:17.09 | halfhalo | nah... pretty sure going to end up with focus. dammit. At least I can use the pre2 as a phone now |
| 22:17.40 | Jack87 | halfhalo: still scared of com board swap :) |
| 22:17.47 | Cerealklr | Jack87: Nothing makes me happier to hear (or sadder...) I'm considering just upgrading my trusty pre, but even running at 1Ghz it occasionally stutters a bit, and i'm worried about usability issues if I uphack it to 2.0 |
| 22:17.47 | halfhalo | no? |
| 22:18.17 | halfhalo | I did a swap between - and + after the first devdays, twas easy |
| 22:18.28 | NuttyBunny | returning THE Pixi to 1.4.5 |
| 22:18.53 | Jack87 | Cerealklr: ya I just bought one and sprintified it.. nothing like a over clocked pre on 2.x... I now wonder how I delt with it before. |
| 22:19.09 | Jack87 | halfhalo: I'm just giving you shit. |
| 22:19.32 | halfhalo | cries in the corne.... wait... why is this room round! |
| 22:19.44 | ctbeiser | Cerealklr : Have you tried changing the overclock to 800mhz? For no apparent reason it seems faster to me. |
| 22:19.51 | Cerealklr | Heh, i'm a bit anxious about the amount of money i'd have to sink into doing that. =P Starving College student budget and all |
| 22:20.02 | Jack87 | Cerealklr: responsiveness and quality of screen plus physical build quality makes it feel awesome |
| 22:20.46 | Jack87 | Cerealklr: ya.. I got mine for $170 from someone who got it free as a dev device. I was a bit annoyed by what he was doing. |
| 22:21.10 | Cerealklr | ctbeiser: You know, I never thought to. Perhaps tonight if I have a bit of scratch time i'll do some testing @800mhz and with the other kernels (been on Thunderchief as long as I can remember) |
| 22:21.32 | NuttyBunny | Jack87: you should had reported him to Palm, those kind of people don't deserve to even call themselves developers :@ |
| 22:21.38 | Cerealklr | Jack87: I nearly convinced my family to let me fly out to the Dev Days too. Just missed it. -.- |
| 22:21.46 | halfhalo | I think I am the only one who has a pretty much stock pre(s) |
| 22:22.04 | Cerealklr | Oh well, now that i'm finally actually doing some WebOS development maybe i'll have a better excuse. =] |
| 22:22.09 | Jack87 | NuttyBunny, all i know is his first name. it really bugged me. but it saved me $30 as well |
| 22:22.14 | IGNTNUNLMTD | no, I have a stock Pre, a stock Pre Plus, and a stock VZW Pre 2 |
| 22:22.33 | Jack87 | I still have not recived my dev device HP/Palm promised me :-( |
| 22:23.05 | halfhalo | Glare at the person who's fault it is. that usually works for me |
| 22:23.05 | Jack87 | has one stock pre |
| 22:23.23 | Cerealklr | glares at HP |
| 22:23.28 | Cerealklr | it didn't work |
| 22:23.30 | Cerealklr | =P |
| 22:23.32 | Cerealklr | actually |
| 22:23.34 | Cerealklr | more accurately |
| 22:23.34 | NuttyBunny | has a stock Pixi (or it will be in a few minutes after the Doctor finishes) |
| 22:23.52 | Cerealklr | glares at the stocking guy who missed a row when filling out shipment labels for the dev devices. |
| 22:23.56 | Cerealklr | Did that one work for you? |
| 22:24.00 | Cerealklr | =] |
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| 22:24.15 | Cerealklr | Okay, everybody cross your fingers |
| 22:24.26 | NuttyBunny | Ok, this can't be good... Dr. stuck at 8%... crap |
| 22:24.37 | halfhalo | Besides being comswapped, my pre- and + are stock (save for bypassed activation), the pixi is stock, and the pre2 is stock |
| 22:24.38 | Jack87 | NuttyBunny, just wait for it |
| 22:24.42 | Cerealklr | WOO |
| 22:24.57 | Cerealklr | NuttyBunny: Validation! |
| 22:25.06 | Cerealklr | This morning when I woke up I rewrote the script |
| 22:25.11 | Cerealklr | to dump into JSON |
| 22:25.13 | dtzWill|wirc | 'ello all :) |
| 22:25.19 | dtzWill|wirc | waves |
| 22:25.27 | Jack87 | dtzWill|wirc, hello! |
| 22:25.28 | Cerealklr | and then for giggles I went ahead and started working on a quick HTML/SASS/JS viewer for chats |
| 22:25.47 | Cerealklr | looks like everything is getting fully exported and sorted nicely |
| 22:26.09 | Cerealklr | It's just a matter of finding a way to reinsert into the device now. The easiest way would be to copy the new devices DB off-device |
| 22:26.24 | NuttyBunny | Cerealklr: Excellent!!! :D |
| 22:26.27 | Cerealklr | and then on the computer run another script to insert the SMS/chat history into it |
| 22:26.31 | Cerealklr | and then copy it back on |
| 22:26.42 | dtzWill|wirc | Jack87: hi ^.^ |
| 22:26.44 | Cerealklr | of course, that's highly dependent on table structure not changing |
| 22:26.55 | Cerealklr | but i'm sure converters could be written |
| 22:27.01 | Jack87 | someone is selling HP veer for $625 on ebay! its $350 off contract normally |
| 22:27.02 | Cerealklr | to update between different table structures. ^.^ |
| 22:27.31 | NuttyBunny | Cerealklr: Yep, indeed, it has to be different, they differ even from 1.4.0 to 1.4.5 :( |
| 22:27.43 | NuttyBunny | and now you have another database system |
| 22:28.00 | dtzWill|wirc | Jack87: if they get someone to buy it, more power to them I suppose xD |
| 22:28.15 | Jack87 | dtzWill|wirc, i am just mad im not the one doing it |
| 22:28.24 | NuttyBunny | Jack87: still at 8%, no processes running.... I'll give it 15 minutes |
| 22:28.24 | Cerealklr | uhm. Thank God for cream soda and Webos Internals having awesome documentation on the database structures across major versions? |
| 22:28.27 | Cerealklr | is hopeful |
| 22:28.49 | Jack87 | NuttyBunny, ouch... did you run it via terminal to see what is going on? |
| 22:29.34 | NuttyBunny | Jack87: Of course :D Exception in thread "Thread-6" java.lang.NullPointerException hahahaha |
| 22:29.47 | NuttyBunny | I'll try again |
| 22:30.17 | NuttyBunny | pfft... we were unable to reset your phone |
| 22:31.23 | NuttyBunny | webOS Doctor: I LAUGH AT YOU!!!! Do you really think you'll stop me from restoring 1.4.5 to my Pixi? Even if I have to wipe it and rebuild the partitions, I'll do it! :P |
| 22:31.40 | Jack87 | veer launch isnt even talked about on engadeget :( at least not that i can find |
| 22:32.39 | keith | http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/15/samsung-infuse-4g-and-hp-veer-4g-now-on-sale-at-atandt/ |
| 22:33.06 | keith | http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/13/hp-veer-4g-review/ |
| 22:33.30 | Jack87 | keith, thanks! i couldnt find it |
| 22:33.54 | keith | np |
| 22:34.04 | keith | pro tip: engadget uses tags so you can always search via tags |
| 22:34.09 | keith | http://www.engadget.com/tag/Veer/ |
| 22:34.11 | keith | :P |
| 22:34.25 | Jack87 | roger that |
| 22:37.08 | Jack87 | they said "k. It's a chore to carry around an easily misplaced little nicknack like the adapter, " |
| 22:37.22 | Jack87 | but you can just attach it to your headphones and forget about it |
| 22:37.32 | Jack87 | I just hate that it only goes on one way |
| 22:37.43 | keith | you know that engadget sucks now right? |
| 22:37.46 | keith | everyone decent left. |
| 22:37.55 | keith | http://thisismynext.com/2011/05/09/veer-4g-review/ |
| 22:37.59 | keith | this is where they all went. |
| 22:38.31 | Jack87 | ooo gotcha thanks (is it because aol owns it?) |
| 22:38.38 | keith | correct |
| 22:38.42 | keith | aol fucked it all up |
| 22:38.45 | keith | everyone decent left. |
| 22:38.47 | keith | the new ceo sucks. |
| 22:39.06 | Jack87 | haha sounds like the review was done by an ATT rep |
| 22:39.13 | IGNTNUNLMTD | Joshua Topolsky was a pretty ardent Apple fanboy |
| 22:39.23 | IGNTNUNLMTD | engadget in general is just .... meh |
| 22:39.30 | IGNTNUNLMTD | and has been for a long, long time |
| 22:39.35 | IGNTNUNLMTD | before the AOL fuckup too |
| 22:39.41 | ka6sox-sick | language |
| 22:39.46 | ka6sox-sick | we log this |
| 22:40.01 | IGNTNUNLMTD | pardon |
| 22:41.26 | keith | joshua topolosky is a pretty ardent webos fanboy as well. |
| 22:41.39 | keith | lucky for palm |
| 22:41.43 | keith | too bad hes not anymore |
| 22:42.01 | SineOt | I dunno, his Veer review came across as pretty positive |
| 22:42.22 | SineOt | his real chiding point for it was that Palm can't just make okay hardware, they need to make amazing hardware |
| 22:42.25 | keith | some ppl disagree and feel he ripped hpalm a new one. |
| 22:42.45 | SineOt | I didn't get that from his review at all |
| 22:43.13 | keith | me neither |
| 22:43.16 | keith | shrugs |
| 22:43.39 | keith | IGNTNUNLMTD: i dont know of a better gadget centric site |
| 22:43.50 | keith | ive read engadget since the beginning when ryan helped start it |
| 22:43.50 | IGNTNUNLMTD | you have to go specialized |
| 22:43.51 | keith | gdgt sucks |
| 22:43.53 | keith | gizmodo sucks |
| 22:44.03 | SineOt | I think it's some some people kind of can't pick up on nuances like "it's okay but should have been better" and view everything as like either TOTALLY HATE or TOTALLY LOVE |
| 22:44.06 | SineOt | which is dumb |
| 22:44.10 | IGNTNUNLMTD | there is no such thing as a good aggregate tech site |
| 22:44.19 | keith | heh |
| 22:44.20 | keith | i' |
| 22:44.30 | keith | m not reading 30 sites to get mainly the same info. |
| 22:44.35 | keith | engadget is fine |
| 22:44.35 | IGNTNUNLMTD | reading *just* engadget is daily |
| 22:44.37 | IGNTNUNLMTD | er |
| 22:44.38 | IGNTNUNLMTD | lazy |
| 22:44.40 | IGNTNUNLMTD | lol |
| 22:44.48 | keith | but you cant take reviews with a grain of salt |
| 22:44.49 | IGNTNUNLMTD | I just like making a ruse in the comments |
| 22:44.55 | keith | i dont have time for that |
| 22:45.05 | IGNTNUNLMTD | fair enough |
| 22:45.10 | keith | ive posted maybe 5 comments my whole life on engadget |
| 22:45.28 | IGNTNUNLMTD | it's so easy to post something that will be a winner on there |
| 22:45.34 | IGNTNUNLMTD | the crowd is easy to please |
| 22:45.51 | keith | heh |
| 22:46.01 | keith | sounds pointless |
| 22:46.28 | SineOt | I just use ShutUp.css to never ever see comments period |
| 22:46.37 | SineOt | it's awesome, the internet is so much better |
| 22:47.08 | keith | i do like comments sometimes |
| 22:47.28 | keith | just sick of trolls |
| 22:47.41 | IGNTNUNLMTD | you must hate PreCentral then |
| 22:48.02 | keith | i dont read it, correct. |
| 22:48.12 | IGNTNUNLMTD | also, the winningest Safari Extension ever would be to remove all YouTube comments but the Top Commentors |
| 22:48.13 | keith | i read forums.xbmc.org the most and i ban people who try to troll :) |
| 22:48.18 | *** join/#webos-internals tmzt (~tmzt@adsl-99-164-51-88.dsl.akrnoh.sbcglobal.net) |
| 22:48.18 | IGNTNUNLMTD | I should write that |
| 22:48.28 | keith | people use safari extensions? |
| 22:48.34 | halfhalo | people use safari? |
| 22:48.35 | IGNTNUNLMTD | yes, I use plenty |
| 22:48.39 | IGNTNUNLMTD | yes |
| 22:48.43 | SineOt | yup |
| 22:48.55 | IGNTNUNLMTD | because for development, > * |
| 22:49.01 | SineOt | µTube is awesome, cleans YouTube up to be an awesome, nice website |
| 22:49.25 | Jack87 | people just dont realize they can leave the dongle attached to their headphones do they? |
| 22:50.07 | bnceo | keith and Jack87: I always said that if the Veer came with an HP branded Bluetooth headset, it would have been genius |
| 22:50.13 | IGNTNUNLMTD | SineOt: link? |
| 22:50.30 | IGNTNUNLMTD | bnceo: Beats bluetooth |
| 22:50.33 | keith | bnceo: agreed |
| 22:50.34 | IGNTNUNLMTD | would have been EPIC |
| 22:50.49 | keith | does BT work with another codec besides AMR yet? |
| 22:51.00 | SineOt | IGNTNUNLMTD: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3372062/Safari%20Extensions/mTube/Index.html |
| 22:51.21 | IGNTNUNLMTD | oh nice |
| 22:51.30 | IGNTNUNLMTD | a little too excessive for me, I still like related vids |
| 22:51.36 | SineOt | mix in ClickToPlugin so that YouTube uses HTML5 for everything and you're golden |
| 22:51.36 | Jack87 | bnceo, indeed stero of course :) |
| 22:51.43 | IGNTNUNLMTD | I already hose the ads with AdBlock Plus |
| 22:51.49 | IGNTNUNLMTD | yeah |
| 22:51.51 | IGNTNUNLMTD | I do that to |
| 22:51.53 | IGNTNUNLMTD | too* |
| 22:51.57 | Jack87 | that alone can be taken out of their marketing funds |
| 22:52.36 | keith | heh yes of course, a2dp |
| 22:52.43 | keith | but does bluetooth support anything besides AMR codec? |
| 22:52.53 | keith | i own bt speakers, etc |
| 22:52.56 | Jack87 | i wish the doungle was a USB adapter so you could still use any old micro usb cord you had just add the adapter to the magnetic strip |
| 22:52.58 | keith | and they're all AMR. |
| 22:52.59 | keith | AMR is shit. |
| 22:53.03 | keith | Jack87: that'd be cool |
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| 22:53.24 | NuttyBunny | oh, crap... |
| 22:53.37 | Jack87 | i have no idea why they didnt come up with such a thing. or if they did why they dismissed it |
| 22:53.37 | NuttyBunny | mi pixi is fucked.... well, gotta go.. c-ya :) |
| 22:54.05 | PatrickC | what did you do to it now? lol |
| 22:54.27 | keith | when you rush devices, stuff gets lost. |
| 22:54.53 | NuttyBunny | PatrickC: Well, since the Doctor wouldn't want to boot, I deleted the info on every partition except the boot one.... and the doctor still won't work |
| 22:55.07 | PatrickC | uhoh |
| 22:55.11 | NuttyBunny | and, of course, the pixi won't boot anymore :D |
| 22:55.12 | Jack87 | keith, hhaha i guess. it just seem so obvious and simple though. same concept as the headphones adapter |
| 22:55.23 | Jack87 | same concept as the ac adapter |
| 22:55.33 | keith | i doubt anyone who designed the veer is still at hp. |
| 22:55.34 | Jack87 | or touch stone |
| 22:55.34 | Jack87 | haha |
| 22:55.44 | NuttyBunny | I'll fix it later... c-ya! |
| 22:55.50 | keith | the veer was probably designed back in 08/09. |
| 22:55.52 | Cerealklr | adios! |
| 22:56.14 | SineOt | yeah, the FCC filing for the Veer had the name Palm all over it |
| 22:56.23 | SineOt | Pre3/Touchpad stuff has all been HP named |
| 22:56.25 | Jack87 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.45 | Jack87 | well we saw the battery and internals had palm all over it to |
| 22:56.46 | PatrickC | haha |
| 22:57.21 | keith | pre3/touchpad still are most likely palm designed |
| 22:57.28 | keith | just later in the yr |
| 22:57.29 | PatrickC | yeah |
| 22:57.29 | keith | veer is probably 100% palm tho |
| 22:57.43 | PatrickC | wants a $50 veer.. but was too late :'( |
| 22:57.59 | Jack87 | keith, funny thing is for the touch stone you still need the old cable |
| 22:58.14 | PatrickC | yeah |
| 22:58.14 | keith | yup |
| 22:58.44 | Loudergood | PatrickC: you know they all got canceled anyway right? |
| 22:58.52 | PatrickC | got a blackberry working with his ts |
| 22:59.00 | PatrickC | Loudergood: they did?! |
| 22:59.02 | halfhalo | That made me a sad panda... |
| 22:59.11 | Jack87 | so many of the palm branded accories are obsoleate kind of annyoing |
| 23:00.02 | PatrickC | s/blackberry/blackberry charger/ |
| 23:03.52 | keith | any cable will work |
| 23:04.02 | keith | i shaved my sprint car charger for the car |
| 23:04.02 | keith | just need 800mA |
| 23:04.03 | keith | IIRC |
| 23:04.56 | Loudergood | the verizon car chargers must have one hell of an output |
| 23:05.13 | Loudergood | mine charged my pre on a touchstone and an iphone at the same time. |
| 23:05.29 | PatrickC | keith: I did it with no modifications |
| 23:06.00 | Jack87 | in the car the one that worked best with touch stone is the palm charger.. i jsut hate that you can only use palm usb cords in it because i cant plug my nook color in |
| 23:06.07 | Jack87 | which also has its own special cord |
| 23:06.38 | keith | PatrickC: lucky you. |
| 23:06.49 | keith | i had 0 luck with the official palm branded charger |
| 23:06.53 | keith | the sprint one worked much better |
| 23:07.04 | keith | Jack87: that one didnt work with my accord at all |
| 23:07.39 | Jack87 | keith, the palm branded charger didnt? really? anything else I used failed with the touch stone. |
| 23:07.50 | PatrickC | Jack87: palm USB cables? |
| 23:07.52 | Loudergood | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003WSGXXK/ |
| 23:08.00 | Jack87 | yup |
| 23:08.03 | Loudergood | that one is the sweet one, with a usb port on it |
| 23:08.18 | Jack87 | its too ugly |
| 23:08.26 | PatrickC | I just use aftermarket things |
| 23:08.32 | Loudergood | yeah but it chargest everything |
| 23:08.37 | keith | Jack87: this was around july or august of 2009. |
| 23:08.59 | Jack87 | ya me to.. when pre first came out. i dirve an i35 |
| 23:09.02 | PatrickC | didn't get a webos phone till mar 10 |
| 23:09.10 | PatrickC | march '10 * |
| 23:09.10 | keith | i got one the day they came out |
| 23:09.16 | keith | i had the touchstone mounted in my car less than a month later |
| 23:09.20 | Jack87 | i paid top dollar fo rthe damn thing when palm wasnt "discounting" anything |
| 23:09.21 | PatrickC | haha |
| 23:09.56 | keith | i paid $60 for both my touchstones |
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| 23:10.18 | keith | well 1st 2 |
| 23:10.21 | keith | now i have like 6 :) |
| 23:10.38 | Jack87 | hehe i got lucky on that i found them for $30 bucks.. then i found them at this local store for $5.. and picked up all they had 4 i think? haha now i have touchstones everywhere and carry one around to |
| 23:11.43 | Jack87 | Lisa also gave me one at scale. 7 touchstone total its really nice and hadny |
| 23:11.58 | Jack87 | i bought a bunch of the oem chargers on amazon last week for 4 bucks |
| 23:12.04 | Jack87 | cord and ac adapter |
| 23:12.27 | PatrickC | has 5 of those |
| 23:12.31 | PatrickC | I need batteries |
| 23:12.44 | Jack87 | http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Original-Smart-Adapter-Charging/dp/B002ITKQKU/ref=sr_1_1?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1305587530&sr=1-1 |
| 23:12.57 | Jack87 | PatrickC, http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Standard-Battery-Pixi-Pre/dp/B002CMITYI/ref=sr_1_4?s=wireless&ie=UTF8&qid=1305587530&sr=1-4 |
| 23:13.18 | Jack87 | they are really cheap now and nice to have. |
| 23:13.18 | PatrickC | good price |
| 23:13.47 | Jack87 | when the loose battery issue was happening i got two batteries from sprint so i havent needed batteries |
| 23:14.24 | PatrickC | I have 4 devices, had 5 batteries, lost 1, now only have 4 again :/ |
| 23:14.47 | Jack87 | pre/pre+/pre2/pixi? |
| 23:15.06 | PatrickC | pre/pre+/2 pre2's |
| 23:15.07 | keith | i have like 8 batteries |
| 23:15.14 | keith | TWO pre2s?! |
| 23:15.18 | PatrickC | yeah |
| 23:15.20 | keith | why |
| 23:15.22 | keith | do you need 2? |
| 23:15.23 | Jack87 | how did you manage that? |
| 23:15.25 | SineOt | oh god PatrickC why do you have two of them |
| 23:15.43 | Jack87 | i know he got a dev device |
| 23:15.45 | PatrickC | I had some issues with my first, emailed for a warranty replacement... |
| 23:15.47 | Jack87 | did you buy a verizon one? |
| 23:15.56 | Jack87 | oh your pre+? |
| 23:15.58 | PatrickC | and they sent me a new one, and told me to keep the old |
| 23:16.06 | keith | wow |
| 23:16.08 | keith | lucky you |
| 23:16.11 | Jack87 | oh wow really? |
| 23:16.13 | PatrickC | no, the pre2 was acting up.. and I got a replacement. |
| 23:16.14 | PatrickC | yeah |
| 23:16.14 | keith | can i have it? :) |
| 23:16.15 | SineOt | why do i have a feeling that the issues were you doing something dumb |
| 23:16.16 | Jack87 | send me the one with an issue :) |
| 23:16.24 | keith | i asked 1st |
| 23:16.28 | keith | shoves Jack87 |
| 23:16.32 | Jack87 | \haha |
| 23:16.41 | PatrickC | SineOt: it was a wifi radio issue |
| 23:16.45 | PatrickC | lol.. |
| 23:16.51 | PatrickC | hides the pre2's |
| 23:16.58 | keith | hide yoh kids |
| 23:17.01 | keith | hide yoh wife |
| 23:17.08 | Jack87 | keith, PatrickC is a kid! |
| 23:17.14 | PatrickC | haha |
| 23:17.19 | keith | you seem like you were born in 87 |
| 23:17.24 | keith | so you might be considered one too :P |
| 23:17.30 | Jack87 | :) |
| 23:17.30 | PatrickC | was born in '96 |
| 23:17.39 | Jack87 | keith, see the difference? |
| 23:17.49 | keith | it was a joke anyways |
| 23:17.52 | Loudergood | haha |
| 23:18.03 | keith | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzNhaLUT520 |
| 23:18.07 | Loudergood | my gf was born in 87...still has a little maturing to do ;) |
| 23:18.09 | keith | Jack87: not really :) |
| 23:18.26 | Jack87 | lol |
| 23:18.37 | keith | hrm i should go move my car |
| 23:18.47 | PatrickC | just got his permit |
| 23:19.13 | Jack87 | wants to ride his bike but they keep delaying the maintance ahhh! |
| 23:19.23 | halfhalo | Lulz |
| 23:19.52 | Jack87 | keith, i dont know what to think of that video |
| 23:19.58 | keith | HIDE YOH KIDS |
| 23:20.00 | keith | HIDE YOH WIFE |
| 23:20.04 | keith | you've never seen it before? |
| 23:20.09 | keith | you need to catch up your internet memes. |
| 23:20.16 | keith | next you'll be asking me what a lolcat is |
| 23:20.19 | Jack87 | no |
| 23:20.27 | PatrickC | heh |
| 23:20.30 | keith | and what icanhazchesseburger means |
| 23:21.24 | PatrickC | failblog!!! |
| 23:21.52 | keith | 4chan!!! |
| 23:22.03 | Jack87 | wonders why we dont have a decent PDF reader for webos and envy's android |
| 23:22.08 | Jack87 | keith, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pezdRcVe04c&NR=1&feature=fvwp |
| 23:22.09 | Cerealklr | Keith pleaese, we're logged here. =P |
| 23:22.18 | *** join/#webos-internals oil_ (~oil@66-189-216-38.dhcp.yakm.wa.charter.com) |
| 23:22.26 | keith | ..ok? |
| 23:22.32 | keith | and whats your point? |
| 23:22.48 | Cerealklr | Unmentionable things ought not be mentioned. =P |
| 23:22.48 | keith | Jack87: yes, i saw those 2 years ago, when they were new :) |
| 23:22.54 | keith | what, 4chan? |
| 23:23.00 | keith | lolcats? |
| 23:23.02 | Cerealklr | shhhhh! |
| 23:23.04 | *** mode/#webos-internals [+v oil] by ChanServ |
| 23:23.09 | keith | i fail to see what is unmentionable. |
| 23:23.20 | keith | next you'll be telling me reddit is also 'unmentionable' |
| 23:23.26 | Cerealklr | tacgnol might hear you! |
| 23:23.40 | keith | who? |
| 23:23.54 | Cerealklr | 0.o And here you claim to be speaking of lolcats |
| 23:24.02 | Cerealklr | I don't even frequent the site and know the main memes! |
| 23:24.02 | Jack87 | wonders if its bad that he doesnt feel sorry for the girl in that video |
| 23:24.06 | keith | i dont follow any of that crap. |
| 23:24.15 | keith | 4chan/lolcats/icanhaz/reddit are all stupid. |
| 23:24.32 | keith | but i'm not ignorant enough to know they arent where 90% of internet memes come from :) |
| 23:24.43 | keith | are where^ |
| 23:24.46 | Cerealklr | Jack87: Hate to hop into the wayback machine, but do you know if WebOS world still offers the $25 plussing service? And if it does, do you think 145 (w/ plussing included) is worth the difference? |
| 23:24.57 | keith | Cerealklr: yes, they do. |
| 23:25.03 | Cerealklr | been googling idly about and all the information I could find is fairly old. |
| 23:25.22 | Cerealklr | keith: thanks. =] Unfortunately it means I still have to decide then... hrmm |
| 23:25.25 | PatrickC | Cerealklr: why not plus it yourself? |
| 23:25.40 | PatrickC | or 2.1ify it |
| 23:25.47 | SineOt | PatrickC: you can blame someone else if it doesn't work |
| 23:25.54 | PatrickC | true |
| 23:25.56 | Jack87 | Cerealklr, http://webosworld.com/device-services/ |
| 23:26.00 | PatrickC | good point |
| 23:26.18 | Cerealklr | PatrickC: Fear? I've worked with analog circuits before, but this is a bit more complex than anything else I've done (and also, I want to plus it precisely so I can 2.1ify it. =]) |
| 23:26.44 | Jack87 | Cerealklr, its pretty simple reall.y you can do it. I pulled it off with my pre2 |
| 23:26.50 | Cerealklr | Jack87: Ouch! Those prices have taken a hike |
| 23:26.56 | Cerealklr | Guess if i'm doing it I'll be doing it myself! |
| 23:27.08 | Cerealklr | in that case, is the Pre 2 worth it over the Pre Plus? =P |
| 23:27.13 | PatrickC | Cerealkle: I have a minus 2.1ify'd |
| 23:27.19 | PatrickC | yes!! yes!! |
| 23:27.47 | keith | pre 2 is worth it |
| 23:27.48 | Cerealklr | PatrickC: My minus is a thing of beauty, but she stutters a good bit at 1Ghz on Performance. Still need to do some more testing w/ other kernels and lower clock speeds |
| 23:27.51 | keith | but not for 2-3x the cost. |
| 23:28.20 | PatrickC | Cerealklr: 1.1GHz is much smoother then 1GHz for me |
| 23:28.30 | Jack87 | Cerealklr, if you can get your hands on a pre2 off contract for $200 or less its worth it |
| 23:28.38 | Cerealklr | huh. Sounds like the sweetspot is anywhere but 1Ghz. =P |
| 23:28.46 | PatrickC | lol |
| 23:28.58 | PatrickC | I run my 2 (well, both) at 1.4Ghz |
| 23:29.12 | Jack87 | Cerealklr, doesnt matter what you do with your pre.. .peformance is not even comparable vs the pre2 |
| 23:29.22 | PatrickC | yeah |
| 23:29.24 | Jack87 | ram is a huge factor to maybe as i have not ran 2.0 on a preplus |
| 23:29.46 | keith | i run 2.1 on a pre+ |
| 23:29.47 | keith | its ok |
| 23:29.51 | oil | runs 500mhz |
| 23:29.51 | PatrickC | I would have frankenpre2'd a long time ago, but I still need my warranty |
| 23:29.55 | PatrickC | lol |
| 23:30.00 | Jack87 | keith, you dont have a pre2? |
| 23:30.07 | keith | no |
| 23:30.18 | Jack87 | precentral couldnt help you obtain one? |
| 23:30.20 | bnceo | oil is old school |
| 23:30.25 | keith | why would they? |
| 23:30.33 | oil | actually, i run 720mhz screenstate |
| 23:30.34 | PatrickC | oil runs 500MHz on his pre2 |
| 23:30.42 | Cerealklr | PatrickC: My warranty is starting to run short now, which is why i'm more open to it |
| 23:30.44 | Jack87 | not same keith that works for precentral? |
| 23:30.46 | oil | pre2 isnt overclocked |
| 23:30.48 | keith | nope. |
| 23:30.56 | Jack87 | haha |
| 23:30.57 | keith | 16:34 -!- irc |
| 23:30.59 | keith | er |
| 23:31.03 | bnceo | Pre2 goes down to 500mhz or even 300mhz if nothing is happening I believe |
| 23:31.03 | keith | keith [~freenode@xbmc/staff/keith] |
| 23:31.04 | PatrickC | why? the pre2 is awesome oced |
| 23:31.24 | PatrickC | bnceo: yeah, 300MHz iirc |
| 23:31.54 | bnceo | pre2 doing 1ghz is plenty |
| 23:32.03 | Jack87 | PatrickC, i run uberkernel at 1ghz and whatever other defaults are for it because the other kernels seem to not be as stable. i dunno why otherwise iw ould provide better info |
| 23:32.03 | bnceo | webos just need 1ghz and 512 RAM pretty much |
| 23:32.24 | Jack87 | bnceo, how is is veer at 800mhz?\ |
| 23:32.27 | Cerealklr | bnceo: They said that about computers too. =D But seriously though, nothing would make me happier. |
| 23:32.28 | PatrickC | Cerealklr: my warranty ran out in march (when I got my pixi last year) and I just got my pre replaced again a few days ago |
| 23:32.30 | Cerealklr | =P |
| 23:32.34 | PatrickC | they don't mind here lol |
| 23:32.34 | bnceo | it flys man |
| 23:32.36 | bnceo | like boom |
| 23:32.45 | Jack87 | soo 800mhz and 512mb of ram? |
| 23:32.47 | bnceo | if anything, my oily fingers are not gonna love the gorilla glass |
| 23:32.57 | bnceo | need to put a zaggshield on it |
| 23:33.03 | PatrickC | my fingers hate my gorilla glass |
| 23:33.03 | Jack87 | bnceo, im getting used to it on the pre2 and loving it now |
| 23:33.21 | Loudergood | yeah it took me a little bit to get used to the glass, now I love it |
| 23:33.23 | bnceo | I have to wipe down my phone and now and then |
| 23:33.29 | oil | has yet to use anything better then a pre- as daily phone |
| 23:33.31 | PatrickC | same here |
| 23:33.39 | bnceo | I am thinking of getting a pre plus zagg and putting it on a pre2 |
| 23:33.45 | Loudergood | bnceo: isn't that what shirts are for? ;) |
| 23:33.47 | PatrickC | oil: really? you haven't frankenpre2'd? |
| 23:33.51 | Jack87 | poor oil. dont you have a pre2? |
| 23:33.59 | oil | yeah |
| 23:33.59 | Jack87 | you need to sprintify it yo |
| 23:34.09 | oil | lol |
| 23:34.18 | Jack87 | halfhalo, where is our sprintifying video from scale? |
| 23:34.22 | PatrickC | before I sprintify mine, I'll get a backup minus to be safe |
| 23:34.35 | PatrickC | wants to see it |
| 23:34.36 | bnceo | I was goin gto sprintify my pre2, but I will be giving it to my cousin in Peru this summer |
| 23:34.39 | bnceo | they use GSM down there |
| 23:34.46 | halfhalo | We never finished the second one |
| 23:35.00 | Jack87 | i didnt swap the back pannel i swapped the commboard it self. so its a bit funky with the antena wires |
| 23:35.03 | oil | one of my pre2s has a broken spacebar :/ |
| 23:35.06 | halfhalo | But the stuff I did tape is on some sd card somewhere |
| 23:35.08 | Jack87 | but i didnt like the back pannel from my old pre |
| 23:35.10 | oil | the other i use for dev |
| 23:35.14 | bnceo | poor oil =\ |
| 23:35.21 | oil | lol |
| 23:35.30 | Jack87 | oil, i wonder if its a loose connection |
| 23:35.31 | bnceo | I assume the busted one is DevDay one? |
| 23:35.36 | oil | nope |
| 23:35.39 | Jack87 | when you take it apart you might be able to fix it? |
| 23:35.49 | oil | the devdays one which ive opened many times still works great |
| 23:35.57 | oil | its the one wi bought that has never been opened which is busted |
| 23:35.57 | PatrickC | lol |
| 23:36.05 | Jack87 | oil, how do you do it? |
| 23:36.05 | PatrickC | has yet to open any webOS phone |
| 23:36.12 | Jack87 | how do you not sprintify it |
| 23:36.24 | Jack87 | just swap the bad keyboard from your regular per? |
| 23:36.24 | bnceo | only think I've done is do a Pixi Plus on Sprint. super easy |
| 23:36.27 | oil | lazyness? |
| 23:36.27 | bnceo | caveman can do it |
| 23:36.27 | Jack87 | pre* |
| 23:36.39 | PatrickC | oil: haha |
| 23:36.43 | halfhalo | Goodman |
| 23:36.56 | Jack87 | oh god life feels so good on a good phone lol.. i now realize how bad the original pre sucked ass... it was webos that kept me going |
| 23:37.21 | oil | pre- still works great |
| 23:37.26 | Jack87 | halfhalo, rick got sick during the second one so i left to help him. |
| 23:37.31 | scotter | Does the touchstone provide usb connection or just charging? |
| 23:37.33 | PatrickC | mine works great too.. |
| 23:37.39 | bnceo | pre- on 2.1 is ok. Surviving |
| 23:37.43 | bnceo | but man, that veer is lovely |
| 23:37.44 | halfhalo | Ah, right |
| 23:37.47 | PatrickC | scotter: just charging |
| 23:37.53 | bnceo | so tempted to get another account just for it |
| 23:37.59 | bnceo | though gf would be wondering why I need two phones |
| 23:38.01 | Jack87 | scotter, original touchstone is just charging |
| 23:38.02 | *** join/#webos-internals tmzt_ (~tmzt@adsl-69-208-3-206.dsl.akrnoh.ameritech.net) |
| 23:38.11 | halfhalo | Were you there for the last pre2 giveaway Jack87? |
| 23:38.13 | keith | tell her drug dealing |
| 23:38.19 | bnceo | haha |
| 23:38.23 | keith | and for your hookers |
| 23:38.25 | keith | and give her the eye |
| 23:38.27 | keith | she'll shut right up |
| 23:38.28 | bnceo | not a good look when you work for the US Army... |
| 23:38.34 | Jack87 | halfhalo, ya of course |
| 23:38.39 | halfhalo | Good |
| 23:38.52 | keith | tell her you're a spy then |
| 23:38.52 | Jack87 | you mean our give away not HPs? |
| 23:38.54 | keith | and give her the look |
| 23:39.00 | halfhalo | Yeah, ours |
| 23:40.52 | bnceo | I wonder what makes the Veer locked |
| 23:40.57 | Jack87 | halfhalo, im in the video... with you :) http://www.twitvid.com/6OS8F |
| 23:41.06 | bnceo | it just can't accept a non AT&T Sim I presume |
| 23:41.21 | halfhalo | Lol, I didn't remember |
| 23:41.59 | bnceo | I'm disturbed to watch this video |
| 23:42.03 | bnceo | what is it? |
| 23:42.20 | Jack87 | webos internals giving away a pre2 at scale |
| 23:42.45 | Jack87 | to the first person to capture lisa brewseter and bring her to our booth |
| 23:43.41 | bnceo | haha. hilarious |
| 23:43.48 | halfhalo | Yup |
| 23:44.21 | oil | all i can think is "awkward..." |
| 23:44.21 | Jack87 | halfhalo is the one handing it off |
| 23:44.42 | Adora | can you see how white my hand is? |
| 23:44.47 | Adora | that girl had a death grip on me |
| 23:44.49 | Jack87 | the hackers hired merceneries to capture Adora :) |
| 23:44.51 | Adora | I had bruises! |
| 23:44.59 | Jack87 | did you really? |
| 23:45.04 | halfhalo | You should have ran faster |
| 23:45.13 | Jack87 | i dont think she ran at all |
| 23:45.42 | bnceo | anyone seen the new HP monitors on engadget? |
| 23:45.55 | Jack87 | bnceo, does it run WebOS? |
| 23:45.57 | PatrickC | arg.. its not on youtube is it? |
| 23:46.03 | bnceo | just a regular PC monitor |
| 23:46.08 | bnceo | but the base is where the internals are |
| 23:46.13 | bnceo | the screen itself is super thing |
| 23:46.15 | bnceo | thin* |
| 23:46.29 | bnceo | I might have to buy this |
| 23:46.34 | Cerealklr | bnceo: That's what it wants you to think. Actually hiding a Veer in that base. |
| 23:46.45 | Jack87 | Adora, i dunno if you know this but that video was captured on an original palm pre |
| 23:46.47 | Loudergood | does the veer ship with a new facebook app? |
| 23:46.55 | bnceo | if the base had a touchstone charging dock on it, OMG |
| 23:47.11 | bnceo | Loudergood: no |
| 23:47.12 | Cerealklr | bnceo: Okay that would legitimately be one of the best things ever. |
| 23:47.31 | bnceo | just to lay your phone on the base and let it charge |
| 23:47.38 | bnceo | caues it's getting powered from the power cable |
| 23:47.53 | bnceo | someone give me the number to HP! |
| 23:47.57 | Jack87 | hehe what about attaching it to the side of the computer :) that be fun |
| 23:48.03 | halfhalo | Power cable of doom? |
| 23:48.03 | bnceo | that too |
| 23:48.09 | PatrickC | and using it for USB too |
| 23:48.18 | Cerealklr | http://www8.hp.com/in/en/contact-hp/office-locations.html |
| 23:48.21 | Cerealklr | problem == solved |
| 23:48.32 | bnceo | http://www.engadget.com/photos/hp-x2301-micro-thin-monitor/ |
| 23:49.07 | PatrickC | drools |
| 23:49.10 | bnceo | So serious pre2 activation question here |
| 23:49.17 | Jack87 | bnceo, while you are at it tell them to have a usb dongle attachment for the veer rather then a funky cord... Adora make our voice herd please :) |
| 23:49.35 | PatrickC | bnceo: yeah |
| 23:49.36 | bnceo | I already activated the pre2 here on AT&T from a friend's sim card. But it's out now and just using it as wifi |
| 23:49.44 | *** part/#webos-internals ka6sox-sick (~ka6sox@nasadmin/ka6sox) |
| 23:49.52 | bnceo | anyways, before I go to Peru on vacation, I want to doctor it |
| 23:49.56 | bnceo | and wipe it clean |
| 23:49.59 | PatrickC | and.. |
| 23:50.11 | oil | usb cord? touchstone! |
| 23:50.24 | bnceo | I will then turn off and turn back on when I get to Peru. Here is where I will buy a GSM Sim Card |
| 23:50.27 | PatrickC | and use the touchstone as the USB!! |
| 23:50.45 | bnceo | now, will me flashing it now prevent peru sim card to see entire app catalog |
| 23:50.54 | PatrickC | bnceo: I meta-doctored to bypass activation, and activated over wifi |
| 23:50.56 | bnceo | or since I already activated the first time on AT&T here, he will |
| 23:51.05 | PatrickC | stuck a friends SIM in it, and it worked fine |
| 23:51.26 | bnceo | bypass activation, but not profile creation, right? |
| 23:51.36 | PatrickC | I bypassed profile creation |
| 23:51.43 | bnceo | see, I don't want to do that |
| 23:51.44 | PatrickC | and logged in over wifi |
| 23:52.10 | bnceo | I want my cousin to start fresh, minus the US catalog access |
| 23:52.23 | bnceo | to create a profile and all that jazz |
| 23:52.23 | PatrickC | then make a new profile afaik |
| 23:52.58 | bnceo | IC. interesting |
| 23:53.29 | bnceo | so yeah PatrickC. like that monitor |
| 23:53.32 | bnceo | I'm impressed. |
| 23:53.38 | PatrickC | I love that monitor |
| 23:53.42 | Loudergood | the only catch is that he will have US catalog access with a new profile |
| 23:53.54 | bnceo | that is fine Loudergood. that is what I want |
| 23:53.59 | Loudergood | good |
| 23:54.03 | PatrickC | it just needs a touchstone that can be the USB transfer too :D |
| 23:54.13 | bnceo | omg. I know pat. I know |
| 23:54.27 | bnceo | the new monitors with that base need a touchstone style charging area |
| 23:54.54 | Jack87 | says stick a touch stone on it and call it good |
| 23:55.12 | bnceo | that works |
| 23:55.17 | bnceo | but something just seameless |
| 23:55.22 | PatrickC | Jack87: that doesn't solve the TS being the usb transfer |
| 23:55.25 | Jack87 | been fun chatting guys. im out |
| 23:55.25 | bnceo | one less cable |
| 23:55.36 | Loudergood | samba server ;) |
| 23:55.39 | PatrickC | cya |
| 23:55.42 | Cerealklr | adios! |
| 23:55.58 | Jack87 | have a good evening guys |
| 23:56.15 | bnceo | yeah, gotta get going as well |
| 23:56.18 | bnceo | back latars |
| 23:56.24 | bnceo | for webos roundup prolly |
| 23:56.24 | PatrickC | cyas |