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00:57.57ka6sox-homeMaintainence window for working on WOSI servers in 3 minutes...back in 3-4hrs.
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00:59.18Loudergoodthanks for the warning ;)
01:00.03PatrickCka6sox-home: ok
01:00.04ka6sox-homeI told the powers that be....
01:00.45Loudergoodhaha I know, thanks for doing the work btw
01:00.47PatrickCjust wondering as I don't use it often, did  the palm-catalog feed ever get fixed?
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01:10.01rwhitbyPatrickC: it is still broken at Palm's end
01:13.00PatrickCrwhitby: gotcha
01:15.31oil0% similar eh?
01:16.53PatrickChuh?
01:20.41oilbe and rwhitby apparently
01:23.25PatrickCoil: wirc make it? I don't see it in the just-added
01:23.33oilno lol
01:24.02PatrickClol.. still waiting for approval?
01:24.03PatrickC"in the coming months" ;)
01:24.55PatrickCwonders if Preware/Govnah/Save-Restore will ever make catalog...
01:25.42oilthose, never
01:26.11PatrickCthey all need root privileges?
01:27.08rwhitbyyep
01:27.25PatrickCah ok
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01:47.42tmandryhmm I haven't been paying attention lately.. is there a way to hack 2.1.x doctors onto a sprint pre?
01:48.29PatrickCcheck the wiki ;)
01:48.38tmandrymmkay :) thanks
01:48.42halfhalo-sleepyou mean the wiki thats down?
01:48.51tmandryshoot -_- poor timing
01:48.59PatrickCoh.. I didn't know that the wiki was down too. :/
01:49.18tmandryehe at least preware works.. *updates apps*
01:49.19PatrickCtmandry: yeah, you can.. its easy too :)
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01:49.26tmandryballer!
01:50.26rwhitbygoogle has this nice cache of our wiki pages ...
01:50.44tmandryoh, perfect
01:50.47tmandrygets to work
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03:36.28dtzWillrwhitby: but you can't update the wiki via the cache! :(
03:36.34dtzWillhehe :P
03:36.53rwhitbyIndeed. Google needs to work on that ...
03:40.04dtzWilli'll keep trying, maybe it's a transient issue with their caches...
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04:10.13PatrickCgovnah bugs reported? here?
04:11.51oil_preis it an actual govnah bug and not a kernel thing?
04:12.30PatrickCits definitely govnah, and I consider it a bug..
04:13.09PatrickCwhen I update Govnah (like today) I have to open Govnah, and hit get passed the changelog screen before my phone will OC again
04:14.12uNiXpSyChOblames oil
04:14.26PatrickClol
04:14.46PatrickCWOSI servers still down for maintenance?
04:16.48oil_prethat's not what happens
04:16.59PatrickCit happens to me..
04:17.17PatrickCon both Pre2's, the Plus, and both Minus'
04:17.24oil_pregovnah saves the settings, updating it doesn't clear those settings in the kernel afaik
04:17.33PatrickCand it happened on the Pixi too
04:17.41oil_prerwhitby: would know for sure on that
04:18.13PatrickCit doesn't clear my profiles, it just makes them inactive for some reason I think
04:18.16oil_pregovnah doesn't actively control the kernel,it just savessettings
04:18.43PatrickCevery time I update Govnah, my phone slows to a crawl till I go in and pass the changelog screen
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04:24.35oil_preI have no explanation for you
04:24.35oil_prelol
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04:37.35rwhitbyPatrickC: that is intentional.
04:37.57PatrickCrwhitby: ok
04:39.09oil_prerwhitby: it's cleared in the postinst?
04:39.13rwhitbyany existing sticky profiles are removed on update for safety reasons.
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04:50.13NuttyBunny_Pre2has wirc arrived to the catalog yet? or am I pressing an open wound again?
04:50.38oil_preit's still in progress
04:51.35NuttyBunny_Pre2*sigh*... Ok... guess I'll install Preware th "THE" Pixi
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13:23.26PatrickCis going to work on backing up Text Assist :)
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17:16.19PatrickCwhen I did a triple-toggle-reset cause my phone was acting up, when it started booting.. I didn't see Tux
17:16.28PatrickCI saw the Linux Command Line booting
17:16.44PatrickCis this normal? I have pix/vid of it happening if needed
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17:19.58PatrickCuNiXpSyChO: could this be kernel related?
17:20.43uNiXpSyChOi have n oidea what you are talking about
17:21.11PatrickC<PROTECTED>
17:21.17PatrickC<PROTECTED>
17:21.37PatrickCit looked like when you boot Android before you get the flashing Android logo
17:22.01PatrickCand after the command line went away, I saw the flashing HP logo, e.g. it was in luna
17:22.23uNiXpSyChOthat is normal on all my new kernels.  nto sure why you just noticed it?
17:22.49PatrickCI didn't see Tux.. I always see Tux..
17:22.56PatrickCbut this time I didn't
17:23.12PatrickCoh.. *new* kernels.. sorry.. just saw that
17:23.13PatrickCok
17:23.30uNiXpSyChOyou may need rm -rf /
17:23.48freezexhaha
17:23.52PatrickCdoesnt that remove all folders? haha
17:23.52uNiXpSyChO;-)
17:24.30Loudergoodit may be time to keep up with some of the twitter feeds PatrickC
17:24.38PatrickCis happy he knows a *little* linux cmd line ;)
17:24.57PatrickCdoesn't have a twitter :'(
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17:31.10SystemR89why 1ghz fixed-frequency in AV8B was removed?
17:31.58SystemR89now pre minus works really slowly :(
17:32.16PatrickCSystemR89: F104A works great for me
17:32.23PatrickCand its 1.1GHz
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17:32.29SystemR89wow!
17:32.32PatrickCscreenstate
17:32.50PatrickCyep
17:32.58PatrickCall thanks to uNiXpSyChO!!
17:33.04SystemR89:)
17:33.11SystemR89I'll try it
17:33.22PatrickCyep :)
17:33.22SystemR89How I can test linphone?
17:33.36PatrickCand if your daring, try SR71 ;)
17:33.52PatrickCI believe that rwhitby heads up the linphone testing
17:34.35uNiXpSyChOhuh?  AV8B still runs at 1GHz.
17:34.47uNiXpSyChOand it is still fixed
17:35.12PatrickCdoesn't use AV8B.. so he doesn't know
17:35.19SystemR89wait
17:35.28SystemR89maybe i'm wrong
17:35.37uNiXpSyChOyes, you are.
17:35.49uNiXpSyChOif you have problems, delete the profile and start over
17:36.00uNiXpSyChOGovnah profile that is.
17:36.15SystemR89in changelog you've write: not locked anymore to 1ghz
17:36.37uNiXpSyChOcorrect.  it gives user's ability to set "fixed" freq to 800MHz or whatever
17:37.04SystemR89ops..
17:37.06SystemR89sorry
17:37.25SystemR89strange, I feel it slowly...
17:37.53PatrickChave you updated Govnah lately?
17:38.11SystemR89yeah, today
17:38.12uNiXpSyChOwhat does Govnah show as a speed?
17:38.30SystemR891.005
17:38.46PatrickCSystemR89: you have to go into Govnah and pass the changelog screen to
17:38.49PatrickCclock again*
17:40.07SystemR89it's my bad feeling, AV8B runs at the same speed of yesterday...
17:41.31SystemR89I'd like test linphone with my fritzbox.. I hope that rwhitby could help me..
17:41.49PatrickCloves freeTether!!!
17:44.38Adoracould someone please tell me what # the homebrew documentation app is on the highest rated apps list?
17:45.44NuttyBunnyAdora: Mexico Profile shows that app at the top spot
17:45.58NuttyBunnyAngry Birds in second, drPodder third
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18:00.05PatrickCuNiXpSyChO: is F14Tomcat updated? I'm not showing it as recently updated. I was just wondering, cause I have seen many of the other kernels updated.
18:00.28uNiXpSyChOF14 is a dying horse
18:00.38PatrickCnooooo :'(
18:01.20PatrickCwhy?
18:01.35uNiXpSyChOit overheats too quick, and I havent seen much demand for it.
18:02.13PatrickCmy Pre2 (both of them) hardly ever gets above like 40C
18:02.33CerealklrNot all of us live in the Arctic. =D
18:02.55PatrickCand I love the kernel! I love being at 1.4 GHz an having the bragging rights saying "My phone is the fastest out there"
18:03.07PatrickCCerealklr: I live in Nashville ;)
18:03.12Cerealklrthere is most definitely that.
18:04.06PatrickCmost definitely what?
18:04.13Cerealklrthe bragging rights.
18:04.27PatrickCyeah
18:04.34CerealklrSpeaking of which, a contest for devs to bring a tastey app and get a touchpad?
18:04.43CerealklrSounds like I'm going to need to drop learning Mojo for a while...
18:05.01PatrickCyeah.. and join the Eap
18:05.37CerealklrFight Club? What Fight Club. ;]
18:05.53PatrickChehe
18:06.19PatrickCfirst rule of Fight Club: always say "What Fight Club?"
18:06.44PatrickCor is it "Never talk about Fight Club"?
18:07.36CerealklrI'm sorry, did you say something? If so, I missed it...
18:07.44CerealklrAnyway, back to toying with Enyo
18:07.49Cerealklrand still pretending to do my actual job(s)
18:07.53Cerealklr=]
18:07.55PatrickChaha
18:08.03PatrickCwhat's Enyo? ;)
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18:11.55PatrickCtmandry: get the meta-doctor made?
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18:56.11tmandryPatrickC: sure did, and my phone is running 2.1 :) thanks!
18:56.19PatrickCnp :)
18:56.41PatrickCyou like it? OC'ing yet?
18:57.05tmandrynot yet, just finished restoring all my preware apps/patches
18:58.02tmandrybut yes, I like it. exhibition is nice
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19:08.38PatrickCtmandry: what device? minus/plus?
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19:09.19PatrickCmumbles "Stupid battery.. you should stay charged!!"
19:10.01tmandryPatrickC: minus :/ overclocking it now with 32mb compcache and it runs very smoothly :)
19:10.15PatrickCwhat kernel?
19:10.32tmandrymy third-party battery recently crapped out.. swapped it with one of my dev devices
19:11.04PatrickCwell.. running freeTether with a Pre2 and a Laptop running off of it..
19:11.12PatrickCand I think another pre- as well
19:11.30tmandrynice
19:11.54tmandryI'm on UK 2.1.0-18
19:12.22PatrickCI like F104A
19:12.56tmandrywhat's different about it?
19:14.21PatrickC1.1GHz, and I think that F104A has screenstate-v2 and UK doesnt
19:14.42tmandrymm, didn't know there was a screenstate v2
19:15.01PatrickCidk what's different about it, but its v2 :)
19:15.05tmandrylol
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20:48.24spiffyfitz_ugh i wonder when verizon will get hp veer
20:48.30spiffyfitz_and i wonder if i even want it
20:48.39spiffyfitz_i'm due for an upgrade in september
20:48.47PatrickCVerizon won't get it
20:48.55spiffyfitz_well there goes that idea
20:48.56PatrickCthey will probably get the Pre3 though
20:49.13spiffyfitz_i'm so torn between android/iphone/webos
20:49.17PatrickCif you read the page, it says that there's only GSM versions available
20:49.19spiffyfitz_they all offer something awesome
20:49.57PatrickCwait for the Pre3.. I can almost guarantee that it'll go to VZW
20:50.22Loudergoodmaybe the mythical keyboardless phone will be out by then
20:50.30summatusmentiswhat awesome does the iphone offer that other platforms don't?
20:50.32spiffyfitz_android is so customizable and has really great potential… iphone is so buttery smooth and the apps and games are unmatched… webos has the BEST interface hands down
20:50.39summatusmentisoh
20:51.32PatrickCLoudergood: that might be the "6Month Exclusive" sprint is gonna maybe get
20:51.50LoudergoodPatrickC: zacky59 tell you that?
20:52.11spiffyfitz_i just LOVE how tiny the veer is
20:52.14PatrickCheh.. no, it was on WOR or P|C I forget what one
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20:52.27PatrickChas yet to see one in person yet
20:52.43spiffyfitz_maybe i'll just stick with my droidx/pixi combo
20:53.00PatrickCor get a Pre3 :)
20:53.21spiffyfitz_the turn by turn GPS on webos is practically non-existant though
20:53.26spiffyfitz_big feature for me
20:53.57PatrickCLoudergood: http://webosroundup.com/2011/04/rumor-new-hp-phone-coming-to-sprint-this-august-as-a-6-month-exclusive
20:53.59Loudergoodyeah, navit needs some work, and I haven't tried ndrive
20:54.14spiffyfitz_ndrive doesn't work on pixi soooo i'm kinda SOL
20:54.18PatrickChttp://beta.ndrive.com for all who want to try it
20:54.50PatrickCspiffyfitz_: http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi/280992-webos-2-1-pixi-effort-official-thread-13.html
20:55.14spiffyfitz_i've been following that
20:55.42spiffyfitz_doesn't look like it's ready for CDMA pixis
20:55.42spiffyfitz_if it ever will
20:55.42PatrickCNuttyBunny is the lead person
20:55.42Loudergoodhe's also too nice ;)
20:55.43NuttyBunnyoh sh*t.. what did I do?
20:55.53NuttyBunnyhides
20:55.55spiffyfitz_also on the previous page doesn't nuttybunny say that incoming SMS doesn't work?
20:56.03PatrickChaha
20:56.22NuttyBunnyYeah, he said that, but RagingMind here pointed me to the modem update, now it works :)
20:56.28spiffyfitz_ahhhhh
20:56.47spiffyfitz_uh oh… i only have 20 minutes until i have to leave… do i want to try to screw around with my pixi right now?!
20:57.02spiffyfitz_also nuttybunny…. have you had anyone try this with a CDMA pixi?
20:57.02Loudergoodgenerally a bad idea
20:57.22spiffyfitz_lol yeah bad idea
20:57.39NuttyBunnyspiffyfitz_: yes, there's a guinea pig in P|C right now
20:57.54spiffyfitz_exxxxcellent
20:58.11Loudergoodzacky59?
20:58.11spiffyfitz_you rock bunnyman
20:58.20NuttyBunnyand he gets the "Your phone is experiencing an error that can't be solved" error
20:58.28spiffyfitz_lmao great error
20:58.32NuttyBunnyLoudergood: Who else? :D
20:58.45spiffyfitz_"your phone is F*CKED"
20:58.47LoudergoodI'm surprised he hasn't exploded with excitement yet
20:58.58PatrickChe about has :P
20:59.12NuttyBunnyLoudergood: well, he's stuck at the language screen, so, he isn't too happy atm :D
20:59.29PatrickChehe
20:59.44PatrickChopes zacky doesn't visit the channel..
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21:00.44NuttyBunnywell, he did learn to use cygwin (sort of), that's an accomplishment
21:00.57NuttyBunnyhe actually managed to install novacomd with the SDK
21:02.38NuttyBunnynow I need a pixi patch executable...
21:04.48NuttyBunnyanyone here has stock cygwin?
21:05.00NuttyBunnydoes it come with "ar"?
21:05.21PatrickCI have cygwin.. at home
21:05.22NuttyBunnyI feel like a pirate.. :)
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21:05.39PatrickCwhy? lol
21:05.44NuttyBunnyarrrrrrrr!!
21:05.55spiffyfitz_hmm
21:05.58stbuehleryou can probably replace ar with shell scripts :D
21:05.59PatrickCok? haha
21:06.07spiffyfitz_i'm not really seeing a HUGE change from webos 1.4.5 to 2.1
21:06.15spiffyfitz_feature wise
21:06.31PatrickCthere is a HUGE change
21:06.32stbuehlernodejs services?
21:06.42NuttyBunnyhw accelerated Luna
21:06.55PatrickCExhibition, Node, Voice Memos, Voice Dialing, Better Launcher
21:07.02PatrickCnDrive :)
21:07.04spiffyfitz_voice dialing is a big deal
21:07.08NuttyBunnyscratch voice dialing for Pixi
21:07.12spiffyfitz_awww :(
21:07.13NuttyBunnyas well as Flash
21:07.14PatrickCJust Type
21:07.34NuttyBunnyspiffyfitz_: Well, you could try to install the ipk's from the Pre, I didn't try that
21:07.34PatrickCreally?
21:07.43spiffyfitz_just type doesn't seem too different from typing into the launcher though
21:07.52spiffyfitz_also favorite contacts
21:08.02PatrickCFlash won't work afaik.. I don't think its built for the armv6
21:08.14spiffyfitz_don't get me wrong, i'm gonna be all over it when it's stable for the CDMA Pixi
21:08.23PatrickCJust Type is sooooooooo much better then Universal Search
21:08.39spiffyfitz_is the HW acceleration very obvious, nuttybunny?
21:08.46spiffyfitz_the pixi kinda chugs along
21:08.50spiffyfitz_even overclocked
21:09.12spiffyfitz_a little choppy here and there especially when flipping between 8+ cards
21:09.50NuttyBunnyspiffyfitz_: you can set it at 600Mhz all the time and runs quite nice... until you open several cards :D
21:10.26PatrickChaha
21:10.30PatrickCare there kernels yet?
21:11.08spiffyfitz_ooooooooh
21:11.12spiffyfitz_overclocked 2.1 on pixi
21:11.15NuttyBunnykicks PatrickC
21:11.23NuttyBunnyjust 600Mhz, no more
21:11.24PatrickChides
21:11.31spiffyfitz_i gotta run, gents
21:11.38NuttyBunnyand comes with compcache, just like the Pre versions
21:11.41spiffyfitz_frisbee golf is calling
21:11.52PatrickClol cya
21:14.50NuttyBunnyruns the cygwin installer under crossover under Ubuntu
21:15.29PatrickChaha
21:17.30Adoraoil:  resubmitty!
21:17.37NuttyBunnymmm.. not good... it doesn't come with "ar"
21:18.17PatrickCAdora! hey!
21:18.23Adoraack!
21:18.24Adorahides
21:19.12NuttyBunnyhuh?
21:19.17PatrickCwhy are you hiding right now? get the goods before halfhalo hides them
21:20.26PatrickCAdora: what's different in 2.1.2?
21:26.03cryptkgot to see a veer in the wild today
21:26.10cryptkwell.. at the zoo (AT&T store)
21:26.39PatrickClol
21:31.22PatrickChas anyone checked into backing up the Text Assist app?
21:31.30PatrickCI'm wanting to, but not sure if anyone has
21:33.05NuttyBunnyI don't use the text ass app, I don't want it to "autocorrect" me the way they do in DYAC
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21:33.33Loudergoodthere's a nice friendly click when it autocorrects
21:39.20NuttyBunnyyep, but I write in spanish and english, and it tends to try to correct my spanish words and change them to english
21:41.25PatrickCLoudergood: I add many words to my autocorrect dictionary, and hate having to add them over each time I doctor/get a replacement
21:41.34LoudergoodI agree
21:41.46LoudergoodI'd like to import a larger dictionary actually..hmm
21:42.06PatrickCI'm gonna try to use save/restore to do it
21:42.30PatrickCif I find out how to do it, do I have to add the UI to save/restore? or do I just supply how to do it?
21:43.12Loudergoodthat would be the best way
21:43.41PatrickCwhat way? just supplying the "how-to"?
21:46.07Loudergoodwell, working with them if you can
21:46.49PatrickCthem being? WOSI? just getting all my ducks in a row :)
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21:47.12ajayhola
21:47.38PatrickCajay!
21:47.44PatrickCwhat's up?
21:48.20Loudergoodyeah, I think rwhitby does quite a bit of work on it
21:49.37PatrickCok, I think I know what needs to happen, I just need to figure out how to *make* it happen with code :)
21:49.57PatrickCI think I just need to tar up the  apps folder to save, and untar to restore
21:56.53ajaypatrickC! nothin much, you?
21:57.09PatrickCnothin much
21:57.19ajayother than the fact i'm logging into my 1.4.5 profile on 2.1.0 (pre2!) for the first time (finally!)
21:57.33PatrickCjust tryin to backup/restore text assist :)
21:58.07ajayoh forgot about that!
21:58.11ajayi do want that.. is it possible?
21:58.35ajayit is lagging a bit. weir.d.
21:58.39ajayoh and there it crashes
21:58.43ajaycrap
21:59.34PatrickCajay: I'm working on it !)
21:59.36PatrickC:) *
22:00.16ajayPatrickC: kewl!  i'll be curious to hear ! where are you in the process?
22:00.35PatrickCgetting ready to try and restore now
22:05.31PatrickCI just need XTerm and Internalz before I can restore
22:09.03ajayooo i'm still running an old copy of appcat, i better grab that icon while i still can :)
22:09.11ajayPatrickC: exciting!
22:09.28PatrickCgrab what icon? lol
22:09.46PatrickCgrr.. I have it backed up.. I just need to restore
22:10.02PatrickCbut before I can restore.. I need to untar the folder :/
22:10.22ajaynow to find the app catalog..
22:10.27ajayPatrickC: the palm app catalog icon! :)
22:10.51PatrickCgo to software manager
22:13.57LoudergoodPatrickC: what directory did you back up?
22:14.10PatrickCthe entire com.palm.app.textassist
22:14.26ajayPatrickC: I meant on device, but i found it.. :)  i always wondered what that findapps ipk was about, haha..
22:14.32ajayPatrickC: interesting..
22:14.35PatrickChaha
22:22.52rwhitbytarring up the whole com.palm.app.textassist directory will not be accepted into save/restore.  tar up only the data files that contain the information you want to save, not the app.
22:24.06LoudergoodI'm pretty sure there aren't even data files in that directory
22:25.24rwhitbyfirst place to look would be the backup manifests in impostah, then the db8 databases.
22:26.26NuttyBunnygive the guy a break, he's learning
22:29.29Loudergoodwe're just nudging him in the right direction
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22:37.22CerealklrPatrickC: If you need a hand, I'll be around. Havn't bothered to play with 3.0's DB yet, but a DB is a DB, and I know those pretty well. =P
22:37.40CerealklrEspecially considering my prior task looks to have been completed before I even started on it now.
22:37.51PatrickCCerealklr: I could always use a hand :)
22:42.01CerealklrLet me know if you run into any stumbling blocks and I'll fire up the emu. =]
22:44.37PatrickCbbl
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22:47.19PatrickCemu? you don't have a device?
22:48.18PatrickCand I'm already at a stumbling block :) what I was going to do, rod said wouldn't be supported..
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22:58.29CerealklrPatrickC: A webOS 3.0 device?
22:58.31Cerealklrif only!
22:58.36CerealklrAs to the stumbling block
22:58.44Cerealklryou're going to want to find where the databases are in 3.0
22:58.50CerealklrI'm pretty sure they'd be in /var/luna/data
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23:50.31ajayoo, whitby's in on the ndrive fun too. nice
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