| 00:00.48 | zinge | Hmm... I need to use rsh and can't set up keys to do ssh without a password. oh well, thanks. |
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| 00:09.50 | Cerealklr | Anyone else here in Fight Club and completed the tutorial? |
| 00:14.02 | oil | the first rule of fightclub... |
| 00:14.16 | Cerealklr | I said nothing. |
| 00:14.17 | halfhalo | bring a gun to a knife fight |
| 00:14.26 | Cerealklr | ^^^ |
| 00:14.48 | Cerealklr | I'm having a rather tricky issue with chromes rather ludicrous security policy |
| 00:15.02 | Cerealklr | and was wondering if anyone else had gotten through it |
| 00:17.52 | rwhitby | Cerealklr: you mean the stylematters one? |
| 00:18.11 | Cerealklr | FeedReader |
| 00:18.23 | Cerealklr | and its one of those always-fun Access COntrol Allow Origin issues |
| 00:18.33 | Cerealklr | can't work without being allowed to access local files |
| 00:18.41 | Cerealklr | won't access external files if it can access local ones |
| 00:18.42 | oil | you just need to launch chrome with a special flag |
| 00:18.52 | Cerealklr | I did. It prevents external file access. |
| 00:18.58 | oil | search the forums for your error |
| 00:19.03 | Cerealklr | which the tutorial depends upon |
| 00:19.07 | Cerealklr | searching hasn't turned anything up yet |
| 00:19.12 | halfhalo | completely close chrome, then launch with the special flag |
| 00:19.15 | Cerealklr | guess I'll start searching snippets of error code |
| 00:19.19 | Cerealklr | I know, I did |
| 00:19.21 | Cerealklr | the docs wouldn't even display |
| 00:19.25 | Cerealklr | until I got the flag working |
| 00:19.31 | Cerealklr | but once the flag is in action, it won't let local files access external ones |
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| 00:42.54 | Cerealklr | eh, got it |
| 00:42.57 | Cerealklr | for any and all interested |
| 00:43.02 | Cerealklr | use the flags |
| 00:43.13 | Cerealklr | --allow-file-access-from-files --disable-web-security |
| 00:43.18 | Cerealklr | and for the love of goodness |
| 00:43.25 | Cerealklr | be careful about browsing |
| 00:43.37 | Cerealklr | since Chrome won't let you turn off a single security policy apparently -.- |
| 00:43.47 | Cerealklr | the issue is known to effect chromium, I havn't tested chrome |
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| 00:53.40 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I need help |
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| 00:54.06 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | how do I get linphone 1.9 ipk?? |
| 00:55.05 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I hear they have builds made especially for pixis as well?? |
| 00:56.33 | rwhitby | Vic_Sage-TheQues: what device and SIP provider? |
| 00:56.49 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | palm pixi plus |
| 00:56.53 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | sipgate |
| 00:58.08 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | mine is stuck on waiting for the service to come up |
| 01:04.01 | rwhitby | there are no 0.1.9 ipks available yet. |
| 01:04.16 | rwhitby | if there were, they would follow the same URL scheme as the 0.1.8 ipks |
| 01:06.12 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | well did I configure it wrong or something? |
| 01:06.28 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I have it configged and working on my lapyop |
| 01:07.43 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | on my laptop I have it marked sip:sipid |
| 01:08.11 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I got it to register once but I didn't hear anything |
| 01:08.28 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | when I went to place a call |
| 01:09.32 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | how well does the pixi run webos 2.1?? |
| 01:11.08 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | rwhitby?? |
| 01:14.53 | Loudergood | that's NuttyBunny's dept |
| 01:22.59 | PatrickC | Vic_Sage-TheQues: what carrier? |
| 01:23.34 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | it is a verizon palm pixi plus setup on page plus |
| 01:23.54 | PatrickC | 2.1 would kill your modem right now |
| 01:24.03 | PatrickC | me and NuttyBunny are working on fixing that |
| 01:24.45 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | i'm ok with 1.4.5 atm i'd really just like to get voip capabilities |
| 01:25.04 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | right now I am pretty much using my phone as a beeper |
| 01:25.28 | PatrickC | activate it? |
| 01:25.34 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | people call me I call them back on google phone |
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| 01:26.00 | PatrickC | use Voogle |
| 01:26.20 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I am out of minutes it is activated on page plus |
| 01:26.30 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | voogle is not a voip |
| 01:26.40 | PatrickC | Voogle is Google Voice iirc |
| 01:26.46 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | all calls are routed through the network |
| 01:27.04 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I wanna use my wifi connection |
| 01:27.21 | Loudergood | that reminds me |
| 01:27.29 | PatrickC | Voogle routes through the network? |
| 01:27.31 | Loudergood | I need to give mine more money |
| 01:28.00 | PatrickC | your what? |
| 01:28.45 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | yeah voogle routes through your phone service and uses your minutes |
| 01:29.07 | Loudergood | my phone, I'm on page plus too |
| 01:29.09 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | when i'm home i'd prefer to keep my minutes |
| 01:30.20 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I have linphone on my comp configged and working with the same settings this is ticking me off |
| 01:31.08 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | damn you waiting for service to come up arrgh |
| 01:31.15 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | lol |
| 01:35.29 | rwhitby | Vic_Sage-TheQues: I am not the linphone developer |
| 01:36.19 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | I know i'm just venting don't mind me :) |
| 01:37.20 | Vic_Sage-TheQues | does google or skype have sip settings? |
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| 05:09.09 | summatusmentis | does anyone know if the bootloader on the pre is open? or is that part of what meta-doctor touches? |
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| 05:33.39 | scoutcamper | ping |
| 05:33.57 | scoutcamper | wrong channel ;) |
| 05:34.06 | halfhalo | fail |
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| 05:38.58 | jasonyump | finally got my pre 2. |
| 05:39.36 | jasonyump | are there any apps or homebrew/patches/kernels for filesystem encryption? |
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| 05:49.08 | oil | jasonyump: not that I know of |
| 05:49.27 | oil | at one point rwhitby and I started a truecrypt app but it never happened |
| 05:49.34 | oil | probably because the name was garbage? |
| 05:49.42 | jasonyump | lol what was the name? |
| 05:49.47 | jasonyump | how far did you guys get on it? |
| 05:50.41 | PatrickC | wonders what we are talking about |
| 05:50.49 | jasonyump | encryption |
| 05:50.56 | oil | im not sure on the service, and i dont remember on the app |
| 05:51.27 | oil | it was "true crypt" rot13 encrypted or something? |
| 05:51.55 | oil | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/gehrpelcg.git;a=summary |
| 05:52.03 | oil | GehrPelcg lol |
| 05:52.30 | jasonyump | lol... |
| 05:52.30 | PatrickC | umm.. ok lol |
| 05:52.34 | halfhalo | sounds like someone just bashed on the kb |
| 05:52.50 | PatrickC | they did a halfhalo |
| 05:53.09 | halfhalo | no, a halfhalo involves fire and sharp objects |
| 05:53.10 | PatrickC | :) |
| 05:53.15 | PatrickC | lol |
| 05:53.53 | oil | we can't call it truecrypt for whatever reason |
| 05:54.04 | oil | and weboscrypt/etc are just lame :/ |
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| 05:54.30 | jasonyump | yeah weboscrypt woulda been typical |
| 05:54.42 | halfhalo | cryptah |
| 05:54.56 | PatrickC | halfcrypt |
| 05:55.19 | PatrickC | ucrypt |
| 05:55.51 | jasonyump | encryption |
| 05:55.52 | jasonyump | lol |
| 05:56.18 | PatrickC | ncryption :) |
| 05:57.10 | oil | i think the app could be completed relatively quickly with code already in other apps (like the filepicker now working async in impostah) |
| 05:57.25 | rwhitby | yeah |
| 05:57.26 | halfhalo | async!!!!! |
| 05:57.29 | oil | rwhitby would have to figure out was needed in the service |
| 05:58.00 | jasonyump | i need to rediscover all these new apps like impostah. |
| 05:58.17 | jasonyump | ive been away from webos for so long..so much has haappened |
| 05:58.18 | oil | which also needs a new name, haha |
| 05:58.24 | jasonyump | lol |
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| 05:58.48 | rwhitby | Impostah is the perfect name for what it does at the moment |
| 05:58.51 | jasonyump | doesnt seem like it would be too difficult to get the encryption working. |
| 05:59.03 | rwhitby | jasonyump: the binary is built, and it works |
| 05:59.10 | oil | looks at it as the "kitchen sink" of the apps, haha |
| 05:59.24 | jasonyump | is thats whats on that github? |
| 05:59.28 | rwhitby | the problem is that on a Pre- it took a minute to mount an encrypted volume |
| 05:59.44 | rwhitby | not github |
| 06:00.17 | jasonyump | ah yeah i can imagine.. |
| 06:00.19 | rwhitby | http://git.webos-internals.org/?p=applications/gehrpelcg.git;a=tree;f=binaries/arm is the binary, which was built with the WIDK |
| 06:00.38 | rwhitby | it was much faster on Pixie. Haven't tested on Pre 2 or Veer. |
| 06:00.52 | halfhalo | gotta figure out why node is not liking widk this weekend, because I really want to play with an updated version |
| 06:00.55 | oil | rwhitby: is the slowness that bad that a spinner wouldn't make it work? |
| 06:00.55 | oil | haha |
| 06:00.59 | jasonyump | ah it may not be compatible..ill check it out in a minute |
| 06:01.25 | rwhitby | the issue is whether the kernel has hw crypto or not |
| 06:01.33 | rwhitby | pixi kernel does, pre kernel doesn't. |
| 06:02.57 | jasonyump | uberkernel says its got kernel crypto modules required by truecrypt |
| 06:04.53 | rwhitby | yes, but they are not hw accel on Pre 1.4.5 kernel |
| 06:05.04 | rwhitby | they are on Pixi |
| 06:05.36 | jasonyump | ah |
| 06:05.48 | jasonyump | do you know if they are or not on the pre 2? |
| 06:31.49 | rwhitby | don't know |
| 06:39.50 | Adora | oil: are you waiting on me to do anything with wIRC? |
| 06:40.24 | oil | no, waiting on PuffTheMagic :) |
| 06:40.35 | Adora | blames PuffTheMagic |
| 06:40.37 | dwc- | what's the holdup? |
| 06:40.53 | oil | getting the plugin stripped correctly? |
| 06:40.57 | oil | i believe |
| 06:40.59 | oil | and delete the postinst |
| 06:41.42 | oil | and a slowdown i noticed in 2.x when there are a lot of events being fired that we need to fix |
| 06:42.51 | oil | channel list and joining a channel with a lot of users locks up the gui |
| 06:44.24 | dwc- | like, someone needs to run '/path/to/crosscompiletoolchain/bin/strip wirc' ? |
| 06:44.43 | oil | Adora: he has been out of town, hopefully we'll get it done and resubmitted this weekend |
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| 06:50.02 | oil | dwc-: probably something like that |
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| 06:56.37 | Chat2310 | hello |
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| 09:05.28 | mpingu | Hello |
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| 14:00.22 | kevets | hola |
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| 14:23.15 | kevets | hey hey |
| 14:23.38 | NuttyBunny | hey kevets, did the phone work? |
| 14:24.35 | PatrickC | hey kevets |
| 14:25.02 | kevets | naw - but i got my blackberry activated again so i want to try and figure somethin out with this today. i did run a PmModemUpdater<castlecdmafw.tar -s xx xx as the last thing i tried |
| 14:25.13 | kevets | and it completed, but i still think some files are missing |
| 14:25.20 | PatrickC | uhoh |
| 14:25.47 | kevets | after booting it to the 1.4.5.1 .uImage (the files are different sizes after all) i see in /tmp there is a tokens directory |
| 14:25.55 | kevets | not sure what i can use it for yet |
| 14:26.10 | PatrickC | did you ever get it to doctor fully to 1.4.5(.1)? |
| 14:26.48 | NuttyBunny | the tokens directory is just a link to the real tokens, nothing of much use unless the previous owner changed them |
| 14:26.49 | kevets | nah the last attempt i did is the one that stopped at 64% so i haven't gotten a regular doctor to run completely yet |
| 14:27.45 | kevets | PmModemUpdater -v does return info now though |
| 14:30.52 | kevets | heres the output of it now http://pastebin.com/YcyLxyr0 |
| 14:31.12 | kevets | Don't know what Passthrough Disabled!. means still |
| 14:31.59 | PatrickC | once you get membooted, I'm of no help :) |
| 14:32.18 | kevets | would be interesting to get PmLinuxModemCmd on there and try and test things... |
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| 14:32.27 | NuttyBunny | kevets: did you try PmModemUpdater -b ? |
| 14:32.35 | kevets | haven't yet, lets see |
| 14:32.37 | NuttyBunny | if it reads the entire nvram you may be set |
| 14:33.32 | NuttyBunny | PuffTheMagic: The 2.1 Pixi does the devmode/usbnet crash as well with freetether :D |
| 14:33.35 | NuttyBunny | ducks |
| 14:33.48 | kevets | farts |
| 14:33.56 | kevets | looks like it stops again |
| 14:33.57 | PatrickC | haha? |
| 14:34.00 | PatrickC | ah ok |
| 14:34.01 | PatrickC | lol |
| 14:34.15 | kevets | "Start reading NV item from modem . . . . 5182" and not moving |
| 14:42.25 | NuttyBunny | mmm... it's not *that* bad... |
| 14:42.34 | NuttyBunny | it's going farther than the first time ;) |
| 14:43.02 | NuttyBunny | I'd do the PmModemUpdater<castlecdmafw.tar -s several times :) |
| 14:43.15 | NuttyBunny | after all, it seems already borked, you don't have much to lose |
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| 14:43.54 | kevets | it did seem to get farther |
| 14:44.02 | kevets | heh yeah why not |
| 14:44.51 | NuttyBunny | 0531 was the last number you got yesterday |
| 14:45.06 | NuttyBunny | and when you manage to get it working, swap it with someone else ;) |
| 14:46.01 | NuttyBunny | This weekend will be E*yo weekend for me, no Pixi, no Messaging Plugins this time. |
| 14:46.25 | kevets | lol |
| 14:46.55 | kevets | whats your main phone NuttyBunny |
| 14:47.14 | NuttyBunny | Pre 2 |
| 14:47.55 | kevets | i actually was at a verizon store that had one charged and powered on (shocking) and they seem real nice |
| 14:48.10 | kevets | can't wait to see what the next phone verizon gets is |
| 14:49.12 | kevets | hopefully it doesn't take all year |
| 14:50.19 | NuttyBunny | gets his X.0 b5 EA *DK emu image to play with *ny* |
| 14:52.42 | NuttyBunny | stupid k*yb%ar= ;) |
| 14:54.12 | PatrickC | hehe |
| 14:54.38 | oil | i dont think *'s every few letters makes talking about whats under an NDA ok |
| 14:54.42 | oil | but, im no lawyer |
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| 14:56.03 | NuttyBunny | Hey! Look! A puppy!!! |
| 14:58.24 | NuttyBunny | I really have to clean up my VirtualBox images directory |
| 14:59.15 | NuttyBunny | I have 15 different iso files, and this will be the 16th |
| 14:59.28 | NuttyBunny | all SDK related :S |
| 14:59.51 | NuttyBunny | 3Gb... well, it's not that much |
| 15:03.26 | kevets | had to reinstall my ubuntu "partition" last time i had to build an image... i had only made it like 10GB and after installing a couple ubuntu updates there wasn't free space for the script to finish |
| 15:03.42 | kevets | that works pretty well though, partitioning itself into a file like that |
| 15:07.13 | NuttyBunny | kevets: next time look into /var/cache/apt and delete the .deb files there, they're already applied updates :) |
| 15:08.44 | kevets | yep... definitely information i could have used last week! jk.. but that is totally what i was looking for, anything to grab some space |
| 15:09.04 | kevets | linux can be powerful and a bit scary if you aren't sure of what all the files are there for lol |
| 15:09.38 | PatrickC | yeah |
| 15:10.10 | NuttyBunny | Yep, and it's easier to delete something you don't know, since it won't tell you "this file is for this or that", it just lets you delete it... |
| 15:10.46 | kevets | yea it's like "okay well you're root so i'll let you screw it up as much as you want" |
| 15:10.56 | NuttyBunny | of course, after you do a rm -rf * in the wrong directory (/ for example), you'll learn to be more careful |
| 15:10.57 | PatrickC | lol |
| 15:11.44 | PatrickC | hehe |
| 15:11.54 | PatrickC | kevets: rm -rf / |
| 15:11.54 | NuttyBunny | Yeah, that time I was wondering why the directory was taking soooo long to delete, it only had a few files... then I saw the command again, and ctrl-C .. it was too late :) |
| 15:11.59 | PatrickC | is your friend ;) |
| 15:12.01 | NuttyBunny | don't do that |
| 15:12.03 | kevets | wewt... exchange db at my client today just crossed over the 300GB mark... 95 mailboxes |
| 15:12.04 | PatrickC | hehe |
| 15:12.12 | kevets | not scary at all.... ehhh |
| 15:12.36 | kevets | haha yeah you learn from stuff like that |
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| 15:13.17 | PatrickC | hmm... how would you go into recovery mode on the veer? |
| 15:13.21 | NuttyBunny | Fork Bomb FTW! :D :(){ :|: & };: |
| 15:13.22 | PatrickC | no removable battery |
| 15:14.16 | RagingMind | you don't have to pull a battery to get into recovery mode |
| 15:14.21 | RagingMind | it's just a bit easier that way |
| 15:14.37 | PatrickC | ah |
| 15:15.06 | NuttyBunny | RagingMind: What do you do then your Pixi won't turn on with the usb cable, charger, or power button? |
| 15:15.22 | NuttyBunny | mine did it about 3 times during my playtime |
| 15:15.36 | PatrickC | *playtime* :) |
| 15:17.08 | RagingMind | never had that happen with the pixi |
| 15:18.59 | PatrickC | howd you get it to turn back on? |
| 15:19.54 | NuttyBunny | battery pull, of course |
| 15:20.12 | PatrickC | ah |
| 15:20.27 | PatrickC | can you help me do a batt pull on a veer? ;) |
| 15:21.36 | PatrickC | bbl |
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| 15:24.37 | zandi | hey, does anyone know how to talk with /dev/modemdiag? |
| 15:27.24 | NuttyBunny | PmLinuxModemCmd ? |
| 15:27.53 | zandi | haven't heard of that before |
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| 15:28.34 | zandi | *searches webos-internals.org |
| 15:29.28 | NuttyBunny | zandi: http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Research_Pre_GSM_Modem |
| 15:29.37 | zandi | reading it right now |
| 15:29.40 | zandi | i like what i see so far |
| 15:29.41 | NuttyBunny | the command is in 1.4.x only, not in 2.x |
| 15:30.58 | zandi | that's fine for me. iirc 1.4.5 is the highest that'll work on the first pre's |
| 15:31.28 | NuttyBunny | 2.1 works |
| 15:32.07 | zandi | ah |
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| 15:33.40 | zandi | wtf. |
| 15:33.53 | zandi | is it normal to have an empty /var/lib/software/ModemFiles/ ? |
| 15:33.55 | kevets | NuttyBunny you found that in 1.4.5 eh? |
| 15:34.37 | NuttyBunny | kevets, yep, didn't I tell you? the problem is that the device names aren't the same, and I got no response in the ones that I saw in /dev :( |
| 15:34.51 | kevets | hmm |
| 15:35.03 | kevets | so really a gsm only thing it looks like |
| 15:35.13 | NuttyBunny | zandi: maybe, everything in /var is not *that* important |
| 15:35.30 | NuttyBunny | kevets: no, I have a GSM Pre+, that's the one I was playing with yesterday |
| 15:35.30 | kevets | seems like a lot of the modem flashing testing and stuff was done on gsm pres |
| 15:35.35 | kevets | oh |
| 15:35.59 | kevets | maybe i'll try running a regular 1.4.5 doctor image on it |
| 15:36.22 | zandi | well, i just ls -a'd that on a phone that was running fine for a while, i figured something would show up. meh |
| 15:36.31 | zandi | maybe i'd have to update the prl for it to store a file there |
| 15:36.47 | zandi | oh, and i'm trying to do this modem stuff on a CDMA phone, so i'm not sure if it'll work... |
| 15:49.25 | zandi | also, it doesn't seem like PmLinuxModemCmd has the features i would need... |
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| 16:22.50 | zandi | say, can anyone run "PmLinuxModemCmd /dev/modemdiag s" and let me know what comes up? |
| 16:23.07 | zandi | i'm not sure if it just isn't working properly on my CDMA pre, or if it just doesn't return the ESN on stdout |
| 16:27.39 | kevets | tryin to get 1.4.5 on my pre + to look for that cmd |
| 16:27.42 | kevets | is it in /usr/bin? |
| 16:28.25 | zandi | yes, i think so |
| 16:28.38 | zandi | lemme check... |
| 16:29.01 | kevets | is there a switch when running a doctor image to bypass the modem flash? it always causes mine to fail out |
| 16:29.05 | zandi | yes, /usr/bin/PmLinuxModemCmd |
| 16:29.25 | zandi | no idea. you might have to dig into the code for that one. |
| 16:29.48 | zandi | i /would/ say to remove the image from your resources, but i'm not sure how it'll behave with it missing. |
| 16:30.47 | kevets | there must be a switch or something |
| 16:30.52 | kevets | thats what i'm thinking |
| 16:36.58 | zandi | well, i'd imagine it would fail out when if fails to open the file, meaning it would just crash anyways... |
| 16:37.25 | zandi | i'm thinking you may have to dig into the code and just patch that part out though. |
| 16:40.00 | NuttyBunny_Pre2 | how do I autocomplete in wirc? :S |
| 16:40.09 | zandi | tab? |
| 16:40.22 | NuttyBunny_Pre2 | kevets: doesn't metadoctor have an option to do that? |
| 16:40.55 | NuttyBunny_Pre2 | zandi: wIRC, my Pre doesn't have a tab key :P |
| 16:41.19 | kevets | yea i think so... i haven't metadoctored a regular vz doctor image yet |
| 16:41.28 | zandi | then i'm not sure. tab seems like the standard auto-complete thing though, maybe it's a keycombo that'll send a \t... |
| 16:41.30 | kevets | just lazily by running the provided 2.1.0 script |
| 16:42.47 | summatusmentis | I feel like it's gesture+i, but I'm not 100% sure |
| 16:44.14 | PatrickC | what's goin on? |
| 16:44.38 | zandi | not a whole lot. just pondering /dev/modemdiag |
| 16:44.57 | PatrickC | NuttyBunny_Pre2: why do you need to tab in wirc? lol |
| 16:45.26 | oc80z | what about modemdiag? |
| 16:45.36 | NuttyBunny_Pre2 | autocomplete, not tab.. just autocomplete :( |
| 16:45.45 | PatrickC | like for words? |
| 16:45.49 | PatrickC | its an option :) |
| 16:46.27 | zandi | oc80z, i'm trying to talk with it. like send commands & read results, etc. |
| 16:46.39 | oc80z | the PPP commands sent to /dev/modem /dev/modemdiag /dev/gps are ports the modem listens on, they should just be symbolic links to eg; /dev/tts/ttyusb1 or /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 16:46.48 | zandi | yeah |
| 16:46.48 | oc80z | try comgt , minicom, |
| 16:47.00 | oc80z | PPP commands like , at , atd , etc.. ath0++ |
| 16:47.13 | oc80z | there should be more ports that give more info. |
| 16:47.15 | zandi | i don't want to do ppp commands though, i have to do diagnostic stuff |
| 16:47.22 | zandi | like read the ESN, NV_ITEMs, etc. |
| 16:47.27 | oc80z | yeah |
| 16:47.35 | oc80z | for qualcomm is it? |
| 16:47.41 | zandi | should be, i think |
| 16:47.50 | oc80z | dunno if there is any licensing/disclousure on their stuff. |
| 16:48.01 | oc80z | i know with other stuff like sierra, there is. |
| 16:48.02 | zandi | well, i have the commands i need |
| 16:48.10 | oc80z | ah so you need to interface with it |
| 16:48.11 | zandi | i'm just having issues actually using it |
| 16:48.21 | oc80z | try installing minicom or comgt |
| 16:48.25 | zandi | like, i tried PmLinuxModemCmd, but i'm not sure it's working right |
| 16:48.29 | oc80z | ok. |
| 16:48.39 | oc80z | can you use PPP scripts? |
| 16:48.45 | zandi | not sure, i've never done that |
| 16:48.46 | oc80z | like /etc/ppp/peers or chat scripts |
| 16:49.00 | oc80z | im not sure if pppd is installed. |
| 16:49.11 | oc80z | but if it is, you can use the ppp scripts to send commands |
| 16:49.32 | zandi | hmmm |
| 16:49.36 | oc80z | there are more driver stuff that can be turned on via debug mode in the /proc/ or /sys/ folder by echo 1 > debug or somthing.. |
| 16:49.48 | oc80z | so you can get more kernel debugging for the specific device |
| 16:50.04 | zandi | alright |
| 16:50.09 | oc80z | its in there... |
| 16:50.22 | oc80z | my phone is acting like shit.. tbh. |
| 16:50.29 | oc80z | im sorry i cant interface with it and help. |
| 16:50.38 | oc80z | its on its last leg, tbh. |
| 16:50.39 | zandi | that's fine |
| 16:50.50 | zandi | thanks for the direction |
| 16:50.55 | kevets | im tryin to bring my cdma pre + back to life too lol |
| 16:51.05 | kevets | let me know if you get somewhere zandi |
| 16:51.23 | oc80z | i flashed the verizon firmware on to the sprint pre |
| 16:51.25 | oc80z | sucks |
| 16:52.30 | zandi | dammit. novaterm doesn't take arrow keys, does it? |
| 16:52.41 | RagingMind | it does for me |
| 16:52.43 | kevets | 64%... lets see if it quits out again |
| 16:52.45 | zandi | :/ |
| 16:52.54 | kevets | not like up arrow for last command though |
| 16:53.06 | zandi | yeah, that's the main thing. doesn't take down either |
| 16:53.31 | zandi | actually, i don't think it takes any for me |
| 16:53.46 | kevets | yeah now that you mention it im not sure |
| 16:55.10 | zandi | yeah, no arrow keys for me, lol |
| 16:55.22 | zandi | i'm stuck with hjkl in vi/less/etc. |
| 16:55.49 | RagingMind | on windows? |
| 16:56.00 | RagingMind | cause all that works for me |
| 16:56.27 | zandi | yes, windows |
| 16:56.34 | zandi | that could be it |
| 16:57.54 | kevets | ls -l |
| 16:58.00 | kevets | dang |
| 16:58.04 | kevets | wrong window |
| 16:59.11 | kevets | ug |
| 16:59.20 | kevets | Open Port /dev/tts/modemdiag Failed! still |
| 17:00.05 | zandi | you /might/ have to be in a sort of diag/dev mode, not sure |
| 17:00.39 | kevets | this is in memboot mode or whatev |
| 17:00.54 | kevets | thats what i've been trying under lately |
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| 17:09.10 | kevets | hey zandi can u run PmModemUpdater -b on ur phone and have it complete? |
| 17:09.24 | zandi | what, that just updates the prl? |
| 17:09.44 | kevets | PmModemUpdater -b Backup NV items from device to /var/firmware/palm_nv_backup.txt |
| 17:09.52 | zandi | ooh, i didn't notice that one |
| 17:10.02 | kevets | mine will never finish |
| 17:10.20 | kevets | it alwyas hangs after it gets to a certain number, not always the same |
| 17:10.59 | zandi | ah, so i don't need to do it on an activated phone |
| 17:10.59 | zandi | i'll give it a shot |
| 17:12.10 | zandi | when does yours stop? |
| 17:12.15 | zandi | ah |
| 17:12.22 | kevets | Start reading NV item from modem . . . . 5182 |
| 17:12.24 | zandi | yeah, mine seems to have hung on nv item 269 |
| 17:12.39 | PatrickC | both phones borked? |
| 17:12.40 | kevets | and the last time it only got to like 210 |
| 17:12.48 | kevets | is yours verizon or sprint? |
| 17:12.52 | PatrickC | I have a vzw pre+ I can mess around with later |
| 17:13.07 | PatrickC | mines unactivated though |
| 17:13.09 | zandi | not even responding to Ctrl+d/ctrl+c |
| 17:13.17 | kevets | yea i have to close novaterm to get out of that one |
| 17:13.50 | PatrickC | kevets: I can help later today probably if its not fixed by then |
| 17:13.51 | kevets | yea i am wondering cuz there is a way to back up NV settings to a .txt file, and tehn there is a command to load them in from a file |
| 17:14.04 | kevets | PmModemUpdater -r /path/to/nvfile Load NV items from nvfile |
| 17:14.15 | kevets | which I'd like to try if i can get a good NVfile for this phone |
| 17:14.26 | PatrickC | I can get you the full nv settings in a .txt file |
| 17:14.29 | zandi | ooooh |
| 17:14.34 | zandi | that's EXACTLY what i needed. |
| 17:14.38 | zandi | i'm gonna be trying that one for sure |
| 17:14.42 | PatrickC | tell me how to get 'em |
| 17:14.56 | kevets | PatrickC: PmModemUpdater -b Backup NV items from device to /var/firmware/palm_nv_backup.txt |
| 17:15.07 | kevets | just the first part |
| 17:15.17 | PatrickC | so: |
| 17:15.39 | PatrickC | PmModemUpdater -b |
| 17:15.53 | kevets | yepp |
| 17:15.54 | kevets | brb |
| 17:15.59 | PatrickC | ok |
| 17:16.04 | PatrickC | memboot first I presume? |
| 17:16.26 | zandi | i'm trying to get it to finish as well |
| 17:16.45 | NuttyBunny_Pre2 | I could get the nvsettings from a sprint Pre minus |
| 17:16.56 | zandi | fuck. mine stopped at 236 again... |
| 17:17.27 | zandi | 242... |
| 17:17.36 | zandi | maybe these commands are flaky on CDMA modems... |
| 17:19.50 | NuttyBunny_Pre2 | I don't think so..... |
| 17:19.53 | NuttyBunny_Pre2 | tries |
| 17:19.56 | zandi | fuck. it keeps stopping, but it stops at a higher nv_item each time |
| 17:20.01 | zandi | i |
| 17:20.18 | zandi | *i'd be interested in an nv_item dump as well, if anyone can manage to get one |
| 17:22.24 | zandi | maybe it freezes because of the dumb way it's writing/deleting to show you the nv_item it's on... |
| 17:24.12 | NuttyBunny_Pre2 | nah, it works fine on my Plus |
| 17:24.30 | zandi | it dumped the file & everything? |
| 17:25.39 | NuttyBunny_Pre2 | go to nelsonhaha.com ... mine did it, on the first try, perfectly :P all the way to 9192 |
| 17:26.17 | zandi | would you mind uploading the file somewhere? |
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| 17:35.14 | kevets | interesting |
| 17:35.24 | kevets | mine just dumped the settings actually |
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| 17:37.33 | zandi | mine "froze" and i left it "running" |
| 17:37.49 | zandi | it still shows up in ps aux, but i don't think it's actually doing anything, just frozen for real :/ |
| 17:38.06 | kevets | mine never finished before |
| 17:38.12 | kevets | heres what it looks like http://pastebin.com/xcwiFHNm |
| 17:38.45 | zandi | bingo! that's what i needed |
| 17:38.57 | zandi | i /think/ this is enough to craft a .txt file it'll accept |
| 17:38.58 | kevets | hmm so i wonder if mine will reflash now |
| 17:39.11 | zandi | although judging on how well it's backing 'em up, i don't think it'll succeed in writing... |
| 17:39.41 | kevets | is there a diagnostic thing i can try for cdma? |
| 17:40.04 | zandi | what are you wanting to try? |
| 17:40.16 | kevets | i dunno... my 3G hasn't worked in over a month |
| 17:40.21 | zandi | hm |
| 17:40.36 | zandi | the only thing that comes to mind is the built-in modem test |
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| 17:40.59 | kevets | quick tests? |
| 17:41.02 | zandi | might also be able to do PmModemUpdater -i |
| 17:41.07 | zandi | yeah, that's what i was thinking |
| 17:41.23 | kevets | yeah like i've always gotten '20 Modem' errors on quick tests |
| 17:41.50 | coveredwagonkid | can someone point me in the correct direction in regards to a question about a sprint frankenpreplus/meta-doctor-2.1.0 and tokens? |
| 17:42.03 | kevets | so i wonder if i can take these nv settings and load them back onto the phone after doctoring it back to 2.1.0 with all the extras and activation bypass turned on |
| 17:42.38 | zandi | kevets: that's similar to what i'm going to try |
| 17:42.43 | zandi | what phone did you pull this from again? |
| 17:42.56 | kevets | this is just after a failed 1.4.5 verizon doctor |
| 17:42.57 | zandi | coveredwagonkid, sorry, i haven't a clue :/ |
| 17:43.00 | kevets | pre + |
| 17:43.07 | zandi | i wonder if they're the same on the pre... |
| 17:43.10 | zandi | i'd imagine so |
| 17:43.28 | zandi | some of them are proprietary though, so they might've changed between phones |
| 17:43.35 | zandi | i'm going to try a different one, maybe it won't freeze |
| 17:43.38 | coveredwagonkid | zandi, thanks |
| 17:43.59 | zandi | coveredwagonkid, but, i don't mess with that stuff much. someone else might have a better idea |
| 17:45.06 | kevets | fires up his 2.1.0 doctor image |
| 17:46.05 | coveredwagonkid | here's my dilema-- i successfully completed my surgery to make a frankenpreplus, ran the default sprint meta-doctor script, and i got the "this dr not compatible with device" error. i saw on the wiki instructions to work around this by injecting the tokens into the meta-doctor, but i didn't pull the tokens before the surgery |
| 17:47.06 | coveredwagonkid | my question is do i need to redo everything or can i piece together the tokens from the device as they are now? |
| 17:47.19 | kevets | that sounds familiar |
| 17:47.34 | kevets | i haven't done that but i feel like i've read that before |
| 17:47.44 | zandi | kevets, how did the program behave when it dumped everything? did it continue counting, or did the counting freeze? |
| 17:47.53 | zandi | i'm wondering if i should let it 'run', or kill it |
| 17:47.54 | kevets | it never stopped |
| 17:48.01 | zandi | k |
| 17:48.02 | kevets | counted all the way up to 9192 or whatever |
| 17:48.18 | kevets | is that kind of surgery difficult coveredwagonkid? |
| 17:48.19 | zandi | then said something like "read all nv items"? |
| 17:48.22 | kevets | seems intimidating |
| 17:48.48 | kevets | yeah i believe so |
| 17:48.59 | zandi | alright |
| 17:49.08 | kevets | mine went all the way to 9192 and then finished succesfully.. weird cause that was like the only time it did that |
| 17:49.09 | zandi | i'll start to work on this shit then |
| 17:49.13 | zandi | yeah |
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| 17:49.26 | coveredwagonkid | kevets, i followed the pictorial on the wiki, as well as the video posted by webosroundup. it wasn't terrible... |
| 17:49.38 | kevets | nice |
| 17:50.00 | kevets | i love the fact that people figured out u could even do that, lol |
| 17:55.41 | zandi | so, does anyone in here have a palm pre? as in one of the first ones? |
| 17:56.17 | PatrickC | raises hand |
| 17:56.19 | PatrickC | Pre-? |
| 17:57.40 | zandi | yeah. not a pre+ or anything. just a cdma pre |
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| 17:58.59 | PatrickC | yep |
| 17:59.02 | PatrickC | I got 2 here |
| 18:00.27 | zandi | i'm wondering, can you run "PmModemUpdater -b" on one and upload the text file it produces somewhere? |
| 18:00.41 | coveredwagonkid | i still have my launch day pre |
| 18:00.43 | zandi | kevets did one from is pre+, but i don't know if any of the nv_items have changed |
| 18:01.00 | zandi | i don't /think/ they did, but i have to be sure, and none of my palms are cooperating |
| 18:01.12 | zandi | i'm gonna re-flash one and everything and see if it's in a better mood after that |
| 18:01.48 | PatrickC | I can run it in a few, not near a PC atm |
| 18:01.57 | PatrickC | coveredwagonkid: could you? |
| 18:02.03 | zandi | cool, i would appreciate it |
| 18:04.19 | kevets | hmm on 2.1.0 again now - got the old "Your phone could not establish a data connection (67)" |
| 18:04.24 | kevets | does that mean my settings are off? |
| 18:04.36 | kevets | i feel like i need that qpst programmer |
| 18:04.57 | PatrickC | turn airplane mode on/off |
| 18:05.02 | PatrickC | see what that does |
| 18:05.33 | kevets | not goin into airplane mode right |
| 18:05.50 | kevets | still have signal bars |
| 18:06.02 | PatrickC | give it a few seconds.. |
| 18:06.18 | kevets | 2nd try did it |
| 18:07.33 | kevets | turned airplane mode off, no change. still no 3G |
| 18:08.24 | PatrickC | hrmm.. |
| 18:08.32 | PatrickC | throw it at a wall? :) |
| 18:08.43 | PatrickC | did you get it from HP/vzw? |
| 18:09.13 | kevets | from craigslist - and when i tried the warranty angle they all said it was older than a year |
| 18:09.15 | kevets | weak |
| 18:11.42 | coveredwagonkid | PatrickC sorry for the delay, i'll try in a minute |
| 18:12.13 | PatrickC | coverdwagonkid: ok, thanks |
| 18:12.21 | PatrickC | kevets: that stinks |
| 18:12.43 | PatrickC | anyone in here know C? |
| 18:13.19 | zandi | yes |
| 18:13.27 | zandi | not super-amazingly well, but alright |
| 18:13.28 | PatrickC | what desktop OS? |
| 18:13.32 | zandi | linux |
| 18:13.47 | zandi | well, i'm unfamiliar with how windows does stuff/wants things in C |
| 18:14.00 | PatrickC | ah.. I was gonna ask if Visual Studio 2010 Ultimate was a good program to use.. |
| 18:14.14 | zandi | no idea, but i hear visual studio is alright once it's all setup |
| 18:14.17 | PatrickC | I'm wanting to know C for mobile development |
| 18:14.24 | zandi | honestly, the only IDE i've used at length is eclipse, and that's for java. |
| 18:14.32 | halfhalo | pets his VS2010 |
| 18:14.36 | PatrickC | yeah same here |
| 18:14.37 | zandi | i haven't done anything in C of significant size or complication |
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| 18:14.50 | zandi | so i've just used vi/vim/gvim, heh |
| 18:14.50 | PatrickC | halfhalo: VS2010 what? Pro, Ultimate, what? |
| 18:14.59 | halfhalo | ult |
| 18:15.03 | PatrickC | ah |
| 18:15.06 | PatrickC | you likey? |
| 18:15.16 | halfhalo | it does what it does, and it does it for free |
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| 18:15.33 | PatrickC | free? VS2010 Ult is like $3000 |
| 18:15.44 | halfhalo | knows people |
| 18:15.46 | PatrickC | isn't it? |
| 18:16.05 | halfhalo | technet ftw |
| 18:16.10 | PatrickC | lol |
| 18:16.10 | PatrickC | has a dad who's part of the Microsoft Academic Alliance |
| 18:16.33 | PatrickC | halfhalo: did you get it free *legally*? |
| 18:16.34 | PatrickC | lol |
| 18:16.34 | scoutcamper | If you are in college you can get it free through dreamspark |
| 18:16.35 | matbee | Who did the CSS for preware.org? |
| 18:16.45 | matbee | I got my copy through college too |
| 18:16.52 | PatrickC | is in highscool :/ |
| 18:16.57 | scoutcamper | Matbee, templarian |
| 18:17.07 | PatrickC | but I can still get it free... :) |
| 18:17.08 | halfhalo | scoutcamper: HS's are in dreamspark as well |
| 18:17.10 | PatrickC | legally ;) |
| 18:17.22 | halfhalo | PatrickC: technet. Google it. |
| 18:17.32 | PatrickC | wait.. dreamspark is for HS too? awesome |
| 18:18.01 | zandi | last time i tried to register for dreamspark it said i was already on there... |
| 18:18.12 | zandi | which is totally wrong, but whatever |
| 18:18.15 | halfhalo | email them, thats what I did |
| 18:18.23 | zandi | good idea |
| 18:18.31 | zandi | can you get OSes through dreamspark? |
| 18:18.49 | Templarian | matbee: That site was done in two ours like we tell everone if you want to redo the website you can. |
| 18:18.49 | PatrickC | I think hey have win7 |
| 18:18.58 | Templarian | two hours* |
| 18:19.19 | matbee | they have vista and 7 and server |
| 18:19.19 | halfhalo | is rocking win 7 ultimate on all his windows computers |
| 18:19.20 | zandi | win7 ultimate? |
| 18:19.25 | matbee | professional |
| 18:19.33 | zandi | i'm not sure i even know the difference |
| 18:19.33 | kevets | how can i find out if the ##DATA# settings i have are correct? |
| 18:19.39 | matbee | ultimate has lame stuff |
| 18:19.43 | scoutcamper | PatrickC, since when? All they have on dreamspark is server os's |
| 18:19.44 | halfhalo | bah |
| 18:20.02 | PatrickC | scoutcamper: I saw win7 on there |
| 18:20.05 | matbee | In Canada, they have Win7, WinVista, Server |
| 18:20.07 | PatrickC | let me get a link |
| 18:20.21 | halfhalo | thats win7 embedded edition for me on dreamspark |
| 18:20.22 | matbee | Win7 x86/x64 |
| 18:20.34 | matbee | two copies |
| 18:20.53 | matbee | Templarian, I was thinking about using it for some phonegap projects |
| 18:20.55 | halfhalo | that sounds like msdnaa here |
| 18:21.09 | scoutcamper | Yeah |
| 18:21.29 | PatrickC | that's what my dad is a part of.. MSDNAA |
| 18:21.29 | halfhalo | which, theoretically, I am registered for. buuuuutttttt technet. |
| 18:21.39 | halfhalo | technet > msdnaa |
| 18:22.10 | matbee | :'( |
| 18:22.29 | halfhalo | has windows 3.1 on technet |
| 18:22.30 | kevets | ah QPST how i missed thee - last time i screwed around with this stuff was hacking my Razr V3m to run some non verizon software to change the look and feel |
| 18:22.51 | halfhalo | wins |
| 18:23.07 | zandi | lol, v3ms |
| 18:23.13 | zandi | i worked with those a bit |
| 18:23.15 | zandi | meh |
| 18:23.28 | kevets | that's my backup, backup |
| 18:23.31 | kevets | phone |
| 18:24.07 | zandi | heh |
| 18:24.46 | kevets | i think i had vivo software running on it |
| 18:24.51 | kevets | some brazillian carrier, lol |
| 18:26.12 | PatrickC | wonders what Dreamspark does for Homeschoolers... |
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| 18:28.05 | zandi | probably jack shit |
| 18:28.13 | halfhalo | same as college |
| 18:28.14 | zandi | sounds like that would be an easy way to milk it |
| 18:28.25 | PatrickC | actually they do: http://www.msstudentlounge.com/tabid/60/default.aspx?id=1892 |
| 18:28.26 | zandi | but i'm pessimistic when it comes to microsoft |
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| 23:16.38 | coveredwagonkid | namely, why you can't use another prl file for the update... |
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