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00:00.10 | Loudergood | you haven't been here long ;) |
00:00.38 | halfhalo | *open box* "oh, i bricked it..." |
00:05.06 | PatrickC_Away | at least get Govnah and Impostah on there first? :) |
00:06.05 | Adora | OIL OIL OIL |
00:06.12 | Adora | guess whose app is ready for review? =D |
00:06.21 | destinal | Adora: w00t |
00:06.42 | oil | OMG |
00:07.04 | Adora | wasn't line endings after all |
00:07.09 | PatrickC_Away | yeah!!!! |
00:07.10 | oil | HAHA |
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00:07.43 | oil | what was holding it up? |
00:09.59 | destinal | oil: whimsy |
00:10.10 | destinal | oil: they like to torture you |
00:10.30 | oil | my picture is what made her get it going :) |
00:10.43 | Adora | that's all I really wanted |
00:10.55 | rwhitby | public humiliation is a powerful force ;) |
00:11.02 | Adora | make me a picture and I will clear any roadblock |
00:11.04 | oil | destinal: http://twitter.com/#!/DontBlameOil/status/81815786846564352 |
00:11.23 | rwhitby | Adora: no touchpad till monday for me :( |
00:11.36 | destinal | oil: lol, nice |
00:11.48 | rwhitby | So I get to hack on my solar energy system monitoring system instead: http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?userid=2994 |
00:12.15 | destinal | neat |
00:12.37 | Adora | rwhitby: shame. I will tell you how much I'm enjoying my THREE touchpads to fill the void. |
00:12.47 | rwhitby | I've got a custom openwrt flashable image that fits on one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 and communicates with the inverter via bluetooth. |
00:12.59 | oil | lol |
00:13.06 | rwhitby | (made my first openwrt commits in 3 years last night) |
00:13.25 | rwhitby | I was surprised my ssh key still worked. |
00:13.35 | oil | heh |
00:13.38 | destinal | rwhitby: ah, and you normally think slugs *avoid* the sun. go figure. |
00:14.07 | rwhitby | well, they beauty of the bluetooth connection is that the slug gets to say inside |
00:14.13 | rwhitby | s/they/the/ |
00:14.26 | destinal | :) |
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00:14.54 | rwhitby | I could probably sell these things if the NSLU2 was not EOL. The commercial monitoring box for it costs about $900 |
00:15.25 | destinal | rwhitby: lots of dd-wrt capable wireless routers, some of them with usb ports.. |
00:15.28 | rwhitby | A webOS app is eminently possible. |
00:15.40 | PuffTheMagic | Adora, if it wasnt line endings what was it? |
00:15.53 | rwhitby | destinal: few are set up for bluetooth though, even via USB. |
00:16.03 | Adora | PuffTheMagic: waiting for more info |
00:16.26 | halfhalo | reason wirc was denied: "It was to awesome for me to comprehend" |
00:16.37 | destinal | rwhitby: sure, but a custom openwrt firmware image with usb bluetooth drivers and a bluetooth stack and you're off to the races |
00:16.54 | destinal | ie it's all just a software issue, right? |
00:16.55 | rwhitby | destinal: but a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug is a perfect device for it |
00:17.01 | PuffTheMagic | now only if I had a TP so I could get wIRC working with it |
00:17.13 | rwhitby | destinal: that's exactly what I've done - any openwrt-capable device with a USB port will work. |
00:17.48 | destinal | yeah, didn't mean specifically dd-wrt but that anything that runs dd-wrt should theoretically be happy with openwrt too |
00:18.06 | destinal | and yeah sheevaplug is awesome |
00:18.38 | rwhitby | has an aversion to dd-wrt due to their open source compliance and attribution practices |
00:27.38 | PuffTheMagic | http://www.precentral.net/sprint-expects-continue-working-hp-3 |
00:27.43 | PuffTheMagic | ^^ remember this? |
00:27.56 | PuffTheMagic | wonder if this will ever come true |
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00:29.34 | rwhitby | wonders when folks will realise that "has been a strong partner" and "expect to continue working with" is corporate speak for "we have no product plans and just want to keep our subscribers on the hook as long as we can" |
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00:37.29 | NuttyBunny | rwhitby: Yes, this time I had it right (developer mode, impostah, activation, etc) :D |
00:40.17 | PuffTheMagic | rwhitby: not having any product plans does not mean they dropped the company |
00:40.53 | rwhitby | PuffTheMagic: don't see any evidence to the contrary |
00:41.55 | PuffTheMagic | i still think they are waiting for a non-slider |
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00:44.16 | PuffTheMagic | oil: did the status in "myapps" change for wirc or you just going on what adora said |
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00:45.30 | oil | what she said |
00:45.39 | oil | but its also changed from "submitted" to "ready for review" |
00:45.51 | oil | in the portal |
00:46.07 | PuffTheMagic | did u mark the time the status switched |
00:46.23 | oil | no |
00:46.27 | PuffTheMagic | opens pool for next rejection time |
00:46.29 | oil | i only just looked |
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01:17.41 | NuttyBunny | rwhitby: Guess what I found?! Enter the backup app, tap the menu and select "Palm Profile", it seems we can change the name of the account... now, I have a spinning wheel that won't go away so I don't know if it changes the name on the device as well :S |
01:19.50 | PatrickC_Away | NuttyBunny: I hope that wasn't a good profile :) |
01:20.38 | NuttyBunny | nah, it's one of the backups that is able to buy apps ;) |
01:21.22 | PatrickC | lol |
01:21.30 | NuttyBunny | ATT PixiPlus (ATT) - 9.9.9 |
01:22.22 | PatrickC | ah |
01:22.26 | PatrickC | 2.1? |
01:22.47 | NuttyBunny | yeah... hey, is that a puppy over there??! |
01:23.06 | PatrickC | hehe |
01:23.46 | PatrickC | no, its a quel! |
01:25.02 | NuttyBunny | ok, "Verification email was sent successfully", but it doesn't appear on my inbox :( |
01:27.17 | rwhitby | NuttyBunny: yeah, I've had that sometimes |
01:29.19 | NuttyBunny | argh.. ok, I guess I'll wait some hours to see if "the geeks" fix it ;) /cc Adora |
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01:30.36 | destinal | <PROTECTED> |
01:30.57 | destinal | s/nny/nny:/ |
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01:32.15 | NuttyBunny | mmm... I don't remember ... let's call them both for the time being ;) |
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03:35.43 | Jusegozu_ | hello everyone |
03:35.48 | PatrickC | hey |
03:36.21 | Jusegozu_ | has anyone tried to fix the messaging app on webos 2.1 for non pre 2? |
03:37.29 | destinal | Jusegozu_: what's broken about it? |
03:37.50 | Jusegozu_ | the fact that it freezes when the thread becomes longer than 50 messages or so |
03:38.55 | PatrickC | I have issues with sending messages on my pre- 2.1 |
03:39.26 | Jusegozu_ | how do i do what desnital did? as in how do i send me a message without it going as private? |
03:39.56 | PatrickC | say the person's nick somewhere in the msg |
03:40.15 | Jusegozu_ | destinal have you tried anything? |
03:40.21 | PatrickC | like that :) |
03:40.29 | Jusegozu_ | but it doesn't ahve the colons or the sound |
03:40.41 | Jusegozu_ | like i want to make sure they get notified i am replying to their msg |
03:40.59 | destinal | Jusegozu_: it did for me, your client is just matching your nickname in things other people say |
03:41.02 | PatrickC | it sounds on their end |
03:41.11 | Jusegozu_ | oh ok good good |
03:41.18 | Jusegozu_ | so back to the topic. . . |
03:41.29 | Jusegozu_ | that messging app html file is a monster! |
03:41.53 | destinal | is it only pre-? or does pre+ have a similar issue? |
03:42.12 | PatrickC | my plus had the same issue iirc |
03:42.18 | PatrickC | the plus is 1.4.5 now though |
03:42.43 | Jusegozu_ | its all the builds |
03:42.56 | Jusegozu_ | all the build for pre - or plus |
03:43.04 | Jusegozu_ | even the leaked webos 2.0 had this problem |
03:48.03 | Jusegozu_ | destinal patrickC |
03:48.13 | PatrickC | yes? |
03:48.35 | Jusegozu_ | PatrickC: so do u know if anyone ever tried to fix the problem wih the lagging? |
03:48.54 | PatrickC | I've never had that issue |
03:49.10 | Jusegozu_ | i meant in the messaging application |
03:49.14 | Jusegozu_ | with webos 2.0 |
03:49.35 | PatrickC | like, when you send a message, it lags a second before it shows as sent? |
03:49.42 | Jusegozu_ | no |
03:49.56 | Jusegozu_ | as in it makes the phone so slow its unusable for a few seconds |
03:50.21 | PatrickC | mine gets slow for about ½ a second |
03:50.25 | PatrickC | but not a few seconds |
03:50.39 | Jusegozu_ | was that on 2.0 or 2.1? |
03:50.46 | PatrickC | 2.1 |
03:50.53 | Jusegozu_ | on a pre plus? |
03:50.55 | PatrickC | I never really ran 2.0 |
03:51.03 | PatrickC | pre+, pre2, and pre- |
03:51.18 | Jusegozu_ | and ahve you had a very long chat thread? |
03:51.32 | PatrickC | I always have a long chat thread |
03:51.34 | Jusegozu_ | it is fine for the first few messages. . about 100. after that it becomes painfully slow |
03:52.05 | Jusegozu_ | well then you are doing something different than all of us |
03:52.54 | Jusegozu_ | when you press enter or hit send |
03:53.03 | Jusegozu_ | what happens if you try to backswipe or minimize the card |
03:53.10 | Jusegozu_ | does it respond as fast as 1.4.5? |
03:53.17 | PatrickC | nope |
03:54.00 | Jusegozu_ | oh well. . . |
03:54.10 | Jusegozu_ | i guess i'll just wait for the pre 3. . hahahah |
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03:56.02 | rrix | hmmm, does optware not have an openssl package? |
03:56.07 | Jusegozu_ | well. thank you veyr much for you time. have a good night. |
03:56.16 | rrix | doesn't see it in the package list |
03:56.19 | Jusegozu_ | last time i checked it did |
03:57.10 | rrix | hmmm |
03:57.42 | rrix | thinks it should be included in widk, but doesn't see it |
03:57.45 | rrix | dives in to things |
03:59.12 | destinal | I keep saying it but webos is just not the most efficient OS. (just the way that playing DOOM in machine translated javascript is not efficient) |
03:59.45 | rrix | the doom port is written in SDL |
04:00.13 | rwhitby | rrix: openssl should definitely be in optware - where are you looking? |
04:00.23 | rrix | http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Packages |
04:00.25 | destinal | rrix: lol, yes, I'm aware of that, but there actually IS DOOM in machine translated javascript |
04:00.38 | rrix | destinal: Who thought that was a good idea? ;) |
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04:00.57 | destinal | rrix: I think it was a "because we can" thing ;) |
04:01.02 | rwhitby | rrix: check http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/ instead |
04:01.02 | rrix | javascript is great for user interface, but anyone writing a game in it should be shot ;) |
04:01.15 | rrix | ahhh |
04:01.18 | rrix | rwhitby: Danke |
04:01.21 | rwhitby | rrix: or ipkg-opt update ; ipkg-opt list |
04:01.41 | ka6sox-home | its in that feed and was recently updated. |
04:01.53 | ka6sox-home | should be 0.9.8 |
04:01.55 | rwhitby | rrix: be aware that optware stuff won't be of any use to you if you're looking for app catalog submission |
04:02.04 | rrix | is installing it in to widk |
04:02.31 | rrix | rwhitby: I'm scratching an itch and don't care about the app catalog too much |
04:02.38 | rrix | so, awesome :) |
04:03.16 | destinal | rrix: smartphones with real linux userlands FTW :) |
04:03.18 | rwhitby | rrix: cool - what are you brewing up? |
04:03.39 | rrix | destinal: I own a WebOS phone and not an android for a couple of reasons, that's at least one of them |
04:03.51 | rwhitby | is currently working on solar panel monitoring using openwrt, but will port it to webOS at some stage. |
04:04.01 | rrix | rwhitby: Trying to get darronb's Qt patches on to 4.7 so I can play with some QML stuff |
04:04.36 | rrix | Lol |
04:04.40 | rrix | Apparently I'm going to see a movie |
04:04.47 | rwhitby | rrix: ok, let me know if you need commit access to the WIDK to push stuff back |
04:05.33 | rrix | Awesome. I will be back later to hack some more, but I have to go be a good sig0 |
04:11.27 | dwc- | speaking of optware, how's the new-optware-to-non-testing coming? |
04:11.45 | rwhitby | dunno, does it work? |
04:12.04 | rwhitby | ajay was meant to make some improvements to it |
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04:12.25 | Puffy_TP | wirc in 3.0 emu ;D |
04:13.20 | dwc- | I didn't test it... it sounded like you and ka6sox were saying it should be in the main feeds, and I was busy at the time, so I thought I'd just wait |
04:13.49 | PatrickC | Puffy_TP? |
04:13.52 | PatrickC | lol |
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04:15.17 | dwc- | but, if it's not, then I'll have to go find the conversation in scrollback and go install it out of the testing feed |
04:16.07 | PatrickC | is waiting for some touchpad love |
04:16.16 | PatrickC | I want to see one in-person lol |
04:16.42 | dwc- | stalk adora |
04:17.04 | PatrickC | she lives to far away :/ |
04:20.27 | PatrickC | yawns... |
04:20.29 | PatrickC | goodnight all |
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05:48.06 | dtzWill | hmm so trying to get my pre+ on 2.1 again |
05:48.21 | dtzWill | profile having issues restoring--presumably due to failed backup loading afaict |
05:48.39 | dtzWill | yes i doctored to 1.4.5 and disabled backups, guess it didn't "take" |
05:48.55 | dtzWill | my profile hasn't 9.9.9'd--or rather i un-9.9.9'd it by going to 1.4.5 |
05:49.00 | dtzWill | anyway i can't get it to follow through |
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05:49.15 | dtzWill | or rather i couldn't |
05:49.20 | dtzWill | kept failing to restore data, etc |
05:50.02 | dtzWill | ended up hacking the javascript such taht when the backup serice threw an exception instead of erroring out, to simply pretend there was no data to restore. |
05:50.06 | dtzWill | *seems* like that might work? |
05:50.47 | dtzWill | but if that worked, i'm less clear why we didn't do that instead of having people doctor to 1.4.5 to disable backups |
05:51.14 | dtzWill | i guess i'll let people know how that goes, lol :/ |
05:51.17 | dtzWill | crosses fingers |
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05:52.05 | dtzWill | guess discussion of getting 2.1 working for people is old news for everyone :( hehe |
05:53.52 | rwhitby | dtzWill: did it work? |
05:54.06 | dtzWill | rwhitby: so far so good |
05:54.09 | rwhitby | most people just don't have much in the palm profile that's worth keeping other than apps |
05:54.17 | dtzWill | let me log in, it's restoring apps, etc |
05:54.32 | dtzWill | rwhitby: oh that's what i wanted as well--i'm happy disabling backups. |
05:54.35 | dtzWill | i think it's effectively same thing |
05:54.47 | dtzWill | only i just modified to js to report that the server said there were no backups |
05:54.47 | dtzWill | lol |
05:55.41 | dtzWill | well more exactly when it throws an exception when parsing server manifest thingy instead of throwing the exception farther up it just reports 'no backups to use here' |
05:55.52 | dtzWill | since apparently doctoring 1.4.5 and disabling backups didn't 'take' for whatever reason |
05:56.05 | dtzWill | don't think it allows upgrading with backups actually enabled and used |
05:56.15 | dtzWill | just saves me from doctoring to 1.4.5 again :) |
05:56.41 | rwhitby | perhaps add that to the troubleshooting section on the wiki, but I see people just hurting themselves trying to do it ;) |
05:57.02 | dtzWill | well no reason we couldn't have metadoctor touchup the js accordingly, shrug |
05:57.15 | rwhitby | it's a bit permanent though |
05:57.36 | dtzWill | but i'm not necc suggesting we do so, but i agree pushing it straight to users might not be the best, shrug |
05:57.54 | dtzWill | rwhitby: yeah, and the existing solutoin seems to work. except not for me :P. i think i remember reading somewhere about disabling backups, waiting, rebooting and chekcing, etc |
05:58.04 | dtzWill | i must've not been as thorough as i should have and had to hack around my own failures :( |
05:58.04 | dtzWill | lol |
05:58.23 | dtzWill | rwhitby: well personally i just unedited the file after i got in |
05:58.48 | dtzWill | we'll see what impact that has on things--not sure if ihave to keep up the 'no backups' masquerade or not. |
05:58.56 | dtzWill | we'll see ^.^ |
06:00.14 | dtzWill | well backup app says i have backups enabled |
06:00.16 | dtzWill | forces manual backup |
06:00.16 | dtzWill | lol |
06:00.55 | rwhitby | you can check with Impostah to see what the server thinks |
06:01.40 | dtzWill | the preware auto-installer runs after apps are all installed, right? |
06:01.44 | dtzWill | damn i have too many apps :) |
06:01.58 | rwhitby | preware auto-installer sometimes fails. dunno why. |
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06:02.05 | dtzWill | well it's building backups of various db's atm |
06:02.26 | dtzWill | presumably it'll have np sending it to server, can impostah tell me date of last backup? |
06:02.36 | dtzWill | (more exactly, is that information made avail to us via server?) |
06:02.48 | dtzWill | (I'd check, but since all those apps are installing can't really do a whole lot re:preware/etc) |
06:02.56 | dtzWill | kk re:auto-installer fialing sometimes. |
06:03.44 | dtzWill | kk i see same parsing error, but it knows to ignore corrupt previous backups |
06:03.56 | dtzWill | "Ignoring error that occurred while purging" |
06:04.05 | dtzWill | hopefully taht means what i want it to mean :) |
06:05.04 | dtzWill | man i gotta watch the logs more often, they're fun |
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06:14.50 | dtzWill | backup app still thrwing "unexpected token ILLEGAL" error, i'll play with tryhing to delete the server-side copy some more |
06:18.02 | dtzWill | heh i actually seem to recall this is how i did it lats time too |
06:18.16 | dtzWill | maybe i'm bad at following instructions :P |
06:18.18 | dtzWill | :( |
06:18.27 | dtzWill | anyway, hopefully it works out, just thought i'd bring it up/mention it. |
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06:40.29 | dtzWill | are errors about databaseversion normal? |
06:40.45 | dtzWill | toggled backups off, bounced it toggled on, forced backup--things seem well. |
06:40.54 | dtzWill | (at this point mostly mentioning this for logs's sake) |
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07:23.12 | nirvy | WeatherMaps Radar 1.4 is out, but I don't think any version has ever been released. if there's any interest, here's what it does. http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps/277756-new-gps-weather-radar-app.html |
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10:50.19 | SonnyDickson | Hey Guys |
10:52.21 | SonnyDickson | Anyone want a Palm Pre 2 $300AU Like New - Unlocked |
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17:23.21 | Davide-NYC | Folks, I'm giving away a Palm Pre(-) to anyone that is willing to take a stab at porting Rockbox to WebOS. See rockbox.org and especially look at the AndroidPort. (SDL) |
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18:11.19 | summatusmentis | Davide-NYC: what's rockbox's build system like? |
18:11.46 | summatusmentis | and are you takling about a client or a full-fledged OS? |
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18:28.15 | Davide-NYC | summatusmentis: I'm not sure. They have a working Android port as well as a couple of other ports under the "Rockbox as an Application" project. It works with SDL and (supposedly) is trivial to port for those that know how. |
18:28.30 | Davide-NYC | I'm just not one of those people. |
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18:44.20 | dwc- | why would you put an mp3 player firmware on a phone? |
18:45.07 | dwc- | why would you want one, even |
18:47.08 | PatrickC | dwc-: huh? |
18:48.55 | ka6sox-home | dwc-, as an APPLICATION...not firmware |
18:48.59 | ka6sox-home | its SDL. |
18:49.51 | PatrickC | hey ka6sox-home. you gettin a touchpad early? |
18:50.03 | ka6sox-home | huh? what? |
18:50.37 | PatrickC | HP is sending webos internals people a touchpad early? no? |
18:50.50 | ka6sox-home | ORLY? |
18:50.52 | dwc- | ok, but why would you want it as an application |
18:51.12 | singmajesty | Why wouldn't you want an MP3 player as an application? :) |
18:51.14 | Davide-NYC | It plays (practically) every format out there. |
18:51.18 | PatrickC | ka6sox-home: let me find the link |
18:51.31 | Davide-NYC | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WhyRockbox |
18:51.34 | dwc- | but you could have any other mp3 player |
18:51.39 | dwc- | application |
18:51.44 | Davide-NYC | mp3 only? |
18:51.54 | dwc- | davide-nyc: the libs that power rockbox are already available and nothing specific to rockbox |
18:51.55 | PatrickC | ka6sox-home: http://m.precentral.net/hp-reaffirms-homebrew-support-sending-touchpads-webos-internals |
18:52.20 | singmajesty | Ah, I see |
18:52.28 | singmajesty | So instead of using MP3 player software ... |
18:52.43 | singmajesty | You're looking into porting firmware, because it contains a wealth of code for understanding and playing codecs? |
18:52.49 | Davide-NYC | is there an application that will play all of thos formats on WebOS? |
18:52.53 | singmajesty | Perhaps, in a better performing fashion than many applications? |
18:52.54 | ka6sox-home | I just want a player that can stream from a url directly |
18:52.54 | dwc- | audiophile? |
18:53.15 | dwc- | there's also an mplayer port floating around somewhere |
18:53.24 | PatrickC | ka6sox-home: I'm working on something like that |
18:53.29 | PatrickC | want in on the alpha? |
18:53.33 | Davide-NYC | I pine for VLC as well. |
18:53.37 | dwc- | ka6: how's the wosi optware feeds et al? |
18:54.05 | ka6sox-home | dwc-: what do you mean? they are fine... |
18:54.19 | ka6sox-home | PatrickC, okay let me know when its done. |
18:54.35 | PatrickC | you want in on the alpha? or you want to wait for the beta? |
18:54.36 | dwc- | remember a couple weeks ago, you were trying to figure out something about the old versions in them |
18:54.54 | ka6sox-home | ya,thats been fixed |
18:55.14 | ka6sox-home | it was the i686 version blocking for the emulator. |
18:55.20 | dwc- | oh, cool |
18:55.26 | dwc- | ack, gotta run, bbl |
19:05.28 | Davide-NYC | Audiophile only runs on WebOS2.1, thus offer still stands and stil makes sense. |
19:06.03 | PatrickC | anyone wanting to help me test this app, PM me |
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20:29.46 | newToWebOs | #webos |
20:30.02 | PatrickC | yes? |
20:30.07 | PatrickC | this is #webos-internals |
20:30.39 | newToWebOs | I tried to change to #webos channel because I have a question regarding how to develop a special plugin for web os presentation mode |
20:31.01 | PatrickC | then do /join #webos |
20:31.28 | newToWebOs | thank you for your immediate help! |
20:31.36 | PatrickC | np |
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