IRC log for #webos-internals on 20110618

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00:00.10Loudergoodyou haven't been here long ;)
00:00.38halfhalo*open box* "oh, i bricked it..."
00:05.06PatrickC_Awayat least get Govnah and Impostah on there first? :)
00:06.05AdoraOIL OIL OIL
00:06.12Adoraguess whose app is ready for review?  =D
00:06.21destinalAdora: w00t
00:06.42oilOMG
00:07.04Adorawasn't line endings after all
00:07.09PatrickC_Awayyeah!!!!
00:07.10oilHAHA
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00:07.43oilwhat was holding it up?
00:09.59destinaloil: whimsy
00:10.10destinaloil: they like to torture you
00:10.30oilmy picture is what made her get it going :)
00:10.43Adorathat's all I really wanted
00:10.55rwhitbypublic humiliation is a powerful force ;)
00:11.02Adoramake me a picture and I will clear any roadblock
00:11.04oildestinal: http://twitter.com/#!/DontBlameOil/status/81815786846564352
00:11.23rwhitbyAdora: no touchpad till monday for me :(
00:11.36destinaloil: lol, nice
00:11.48rwhitbySo I get to hack on my solar energy system monitoring system instead: http://pvoutput.org/list.jsp?userid=2994
00:12.15destinalneat
00:12.37Adorarwhitby:  shame.  I will tell you how much I'm enjoying my THREE touchpads to fill the void.
00:12.47rwhitbyI've got a custom openwrt flashable image that fits on one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSLU2 and communicates with the inverter via bluetooth.
00:12.59oillol
00:13.06rwhitby(made my first openwrt commits in 3 years last night)
00:13.25rwhitbyI was surprised my ssh key still worked.
00:13.35oilheh
00:13.38destinalrwhitby: ah, and you normally think slugs *avoid* the sun.  go figure.
00:14.07rwhitbywell, they beauty of the bluetooth connection is that the slug gets to say inside
00:14.13rwhitbys/they/the/
00:14.26destinal:)
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00:14.54rwhitbyI could probably sell these things if the NSLU2 was not EOL.  The commercial monitoring box for it costs about $900
00:15.25destinalrwhitby: lots of dd-wrt capable wireless routers, some of them with usb ports..
00:15.28rwhitbyA webOS app is eminently possible.
00:15.40PuffTheMagicAdora, if it wasnt line endings what was it?
00:15.53rwhitbydestinal: few are set up for bluetooth though, even via USB.
00:16.03AdoraPuffTheMagic:  waiting for more info
00:16.26halfhaloreason wirc was denied: "It was to awesome for me to comprehend"
00:16.37destinalrwhitby: sure, but a custom openwrt firmware image with usb bluetooth drivers and a bluetooth stack and you're off to the races
00:16.54destinalie it's all just a software issue, right?
00:16.55rwhitbydestinal: but a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug is a perfect device for it
00:17.01PuffTheMagicnow only if I had a TP so I could get wIRC working with it
00:17.13rwhitbydestinal: that's exactly what I've done - any openwrt-capable device with a USB port will work.
00:17.48destinalyeah, didn't mean specifically dd-wrt but that anything that runs dd-wrt should theoretically be happy with openwrt too
00:18.06destinaland yeah sheevaplug is awesome
00:18.38rwhitbyhas an aversion to dd-wrt due to their open source compliance and attribution practices
00:27.38PuffTheMagichttp://www.precentral.net/sprint-expects-continue-working-hp-3
00:27.43PuffTheMagic^^ remember this?
00:27.56PuffTheMagicwonder if this will ever come true
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00:29.34rwhitbywonders when folks will realise that "has been a strong partner" and "expect to continue working with" is corporate speak for "we have no product plans and just want to keep our subscribers on the hook as long as we can"
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00:37.29NuttyBunnyrwhitby: Yes, this time I had it right (developer mode, impostah, activation, etc) :D
00:40.17PuffTheMagicrwhitby: not having any product plans does not mean they dropped the company
00:40.53rwhitbyPuffTheMagic: don't see any evidence to the contrary
00:41.55PuffTheMagici still think they are waiting for a non-slider
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00:44.16PuffTheMagicoil: did the status in "myapps" change for wirc or you just going on what adora said
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00:45.30oilwhat she said
00:45.39oilbut its also changed from "submitted" to "ready for review"
00:45.51oilin the portal
00:46.07PuffTheMagicdid u mark the time the status switched
00:46.23oilno
00:46.27PuffTheMagicopens pool for next rejection time
00:46.29oili only just looked
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01:17.41NuttyBunnyrwhitby: Guess what I found?! Enter the backup app, tap the menu and select "Palm Profile", it seems we can change the name of the account... now, I have a spinning wheel that won't go away so I don't know if it changes the name on the device as well :S
01:19.50PatrickC_AwayNuttyBunny: I hope that wasn't a good profile :)
01:20.38NuttyBunnynah, it's one of the backups that is able to buy apps ;)
01:21.22PatrickClol
01:21.30NuttyBunnyATT PixiPlus (ATT) - 9.9.9
01:22.22PatrickCah
01:22.26PatrickC2.1?
01:22.47NuttyBunnyyeah... hey, is that a puppy over there??!
01:23.06PatrickChehe
01:23.46PatrickCno, its a quel!
01:25.02NuttyBunnyok, "Verification email was sent successfully", but it doesn't appear on my inbox :(
01:27.17rwhitbyNuttyBunny: yeah, I've had that sometimes
01:29.19NuttyBunnyargh.. ok, I guess I'll wait some hours to see if "the geeks" fix it ;)  /cc Adora
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01:32.15NuttyBunnymmm... I don't remember ... let's call them both for the time being ;)
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03:35.43Jusegozu_hello everyone
03:35.48PatrickChey
03:36.21Jusegozu_has anyone tried to fix the messaging app on webos 2.1 for non pre 2?
03:37.29destinalJusegozu_: what's broken about it?
03:37.50Jusegozu_the fact that it freezes when the thread becomes longer than 50 messages or so
03:38.55PatrickCI have issues with sending messages on my pre- 2.1
03:39.26Jusegozu_how do i do what desnital did? as in how do i send me a message without it going as private?
03:39.56PatrickCsay the person's nick somewhere in the msg
03:40.15Jusegozu_destinal have you tried anything?
03:40.21PatrickClike that :)
03:40.29Jusegozu_but it doesn't ahve the colons or the sound
03:40.41Jusegozu_like i want to make sure they get notified i am replying to their msg
03:40.59destinalJusegozu_: it did for me, your client is just matching your nickname in things other people say
03:41.02PatrickCit sounds on their end
03:41.11Jusegozu_oh ok good good
03:41.18Jusegozu_so back to the topic. . .
03:41.29Jusegozu_that messging app html file is a monster!
03:41.53destinalis it only pre-?  or does pre+ have a similar issue?
03:42.12PatrickCmy plus had the same issue iirc
03:42.18PatrickCthe plus is 1.4.5 now though
03:42.43Jusegozu_its all the builds
03:42.56Jusegozu_all the build for pre - or plus
03:43.04Jusegozu_even the leaked webos 2.0 had this problem
03:48.03Jusegozu_destinal patrickC
03:48.13PatrickCyes?
03:48.35Jusegozu_PatrickC: so do u know if anyone ever tried to fix the problem wih the lagging?
03:48.54PatrickCI've never had that issue
03:49.10Jusegozu_i meant in the messaging application
03:49.14Jusegozu_with webos 2.0
03:49.35PatrickClike, when you send a message, it lags a second before it shows as sent?
03:49.42Jusegozu_no
03:49.56Jusegozu_as in it makes the phone so slow its unusable for a few seconds
03:50.21PatrickCmine gets slow for about ½ a second
03:50.25PatrickCbut not a few seconds
03:50.39Jusegozu_was that on 2.0 or 2.1?
03:50.46PatrickC2.1
03:50.53Jusegozu_on a pre plus?
03:50.55PatrickCI never really ran 2.0
03:51.03PatrickCpre+, pre2, and pre-
03:51.18Jusegozu_and ahve you had a very long chat thread?
03:51.32PatrickCI always have a long chat thread
03:51.34Jusegozu_it is fine for the first few messages. .  about 100. after that it becomes painfully slow
03:52.05Jusegozu_well then you are doing something different than all of us
03:52.54Jusegozu_when you press enter or hit send
03:53.03Jusegozu_what happens if you try to backswipe or minimize the card
03:53.10Jusegozu_does it respond as fast as 1.4.5?
03:53.17PatrickCnope
03:54.00Jusegozu_oh well. . .
03:54.10Jusegozu_i guess i'll just wait for the pre 3. .  hahahah
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03:56.02rrixhmmm, does optware not have an openssl package?
03:56.07Jusegozu_well. thank you veyr much for you time. have a good night.
03:56.16rrixdoesn't see it in the package list
03:56.19Jusegozu_last time i checked it did
03:57.10rrixhmmm
03:57.42rrixthinks it should be included in widk, but doesn't see it
03:57.45rrixdives in to things
03:59.12destinalI keep saying it but webos is just not the most efficient OS.  (just the way that playing DOOM in machine translated javascript is not efficient)
03:59.45rrixthe doom port is written in SDL
04:00.13rwhitbyrrix: openssl should definitely be in optware - where are you looking?
04:00.23rrixhttp://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Packages
04:00.25destinalrrix: lol, yes, I'm aware of that, but there actually IS DOOM in machine translated javascript
04:00.38rrixdestinal: Who thought that was a good idea? ;)
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04:00.57destinalrrix: I think it was a "because we can" thing ;)
04:01.02rwhitbyrrix: check http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/cs08q1armel/cross/stable/ instead
04:01.02rrixjavascript is great for user interface, but anyone writing a game in it should be shot ;)
04:01.15rrixahhh
04:01.18rrixrwhitby: Danke
04:01.21rwhitbyrrix: or ipkg-opt update ; ipkg-opt list
04:01.41ka6sox-homeits in that feed and was recently updated.
04:01.53ka6sox-homeshould be 0.9.8
04:01.55rwhitbyrrix: be aware that optware stuff won't be of any use to you if you're looking for app catalog submission
04:02.04rrixis installing it in to widk
04:02.31rrixrwhitby: I'm scratching an itch and don't care about the app catalog too much
04:02.38rrixso, awesome :)
04:03.16destinalrrix: smartphones with real linux userlands FTW :)
04:03.18rwhitbyrrix: cool - what are you brewing up?
04:03.39rrixdestinal: I own a WebOS phone and not an android for a couple of reasons, that's at least one of them
04:03.51rwhitbyis currently working on solar panel monitoring using openwrt, but will port it to webOS at some stage.
04:04.01rrixrwhitby: Trying to get darronb's Qt patches on to 4.7 so I can play with some QML stuff
04:04.36rrixLol
04:04.40rrixApparently I'm going to see a movie
04:04.47rwhitbyrrix: ok, let me know if you need commit access to the WIDK to push stuff back
04:05.33rrixAwesome. I will be back later to hack some more, but I have to go be a good sig0
04:11.27dwc-speaking of optware, how's the new-optware-to-non-testing coming?
04:11.45rwhitbydunno, does it work?
04:12.04rwhitbyajay was meant to make some improvements to it
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04:12.25Puffy_TPwirc in 3.0 emu ;D
04:13.20dwc-I didn't test it... it sounded like you and ka6sox were saying it should be in the main feeds, and I was busy at the time, so I thought I'd just wait
04:13.49PatrickCPuffy_TP?
04:13.52PatrickClol
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04:15.17dwc-but, if it's not, then I'll have to go find the conversation in scrollback and go install it out of the testing feed
04:16.07PatrickCis waiting for some touchpad love
04:16.16PatrickCI want to see one in-person lol
04:16.42dwc-stalk adora
04:17.04PatrickCshe lives to far away :/
04:20.27PatrickCyawns...
04:20.29PatrickCgoodnight all
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05:48.06dtzWillhmm so trying to get my pre+ on 2.1 again
05:48.21dtzWillprofile having issues restoring--presumably due to failed backup loading afaict
05:48.39dtzWillyes i doctored to 1.4.5 and disabled backups, guess it didn't "take"
05:48.55dtzWillmy profile hasn't 9.9.9'd--or rather i un-9.9.9'd it by going to 1.4.5
05:49.00dtzWillanyway i can't get it to follow through
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05:49.15dtzWillor rather i couldn't
05:49.20dtzWillkept failing to restore data, etc
05:50.02dtzWillended up hacking the javascript such taht when the backup serice threw an exception instead of erroring out, to simply pretend there was no data to restore.
05:50.06dtzWill*seems* like that might work?
05:50.47dtzWillbut if that worked, i'm less clear why we didn't do that instead of having people doctor to 1.4.5 to disable backups
05:51.14dtzWilli guess i'll let people know how that goes, lol :/
05:51.17dtzWillcrosses fingers
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05:52.05dtzWillguess discussion of getting 2.1 working for people is old news for everyone :( hehe
05:53.52rwhitbydtzWill: did it work?
05:54.06dtzWillrwhitby: so far so good
05:54.09rwhitbymost people just don't have much in the palm profile that's worth keeping other than apps
05:54.17dtzWilllet me log in, it's restoring apps, etc
05:54.32dtzWillrwhitby: oh that's what i wanted as well--i'm happy disabling backups.
05:54.35dtzWilli think it's effectively same thing
05:54.47dtzWillonly i just modified to js to report that the server said there were no backups
05:54.47dtzWilllol
05:55.41dtzWillwell more exactly when it throws an exception when parsing server manifest thingy instead of throwing the exception farther up it just reports 'no backups to use here'
05:55.52dtzWillsince apparently doctoring 1.4.5 and disabling backups didn't 'take' for whatever reason
05:56.05dtzWilldon't think it allows upgrading with backups actually enabled and used
05:56.15dtzWilljust saves me from doctoring to 1.4.5 again :)
05:56.41rwhitbyperhaps add that to the troubleshooting section on the wiki, but I see people just hurting themselves trying to do it ;)
05:57.02dtzWillwell no reason we couldn't have metadoctor touchup the js accordingly, shrug
05:57.15rwhitbyit's a bit permanent though
05:57.36dtzWillbut i'm not necc suggesting we do so, but i agree pushing it straight to users might not be the best, shrug
05:57.54dtzWillrwhitby: yeah, and the existing solutoin seems to work. except not for me :P. i think i remember reading somewhere about disabling backups, waiting, rebooting and chekcing, etc
05:58.04dtzWilli must've not been as thorough as i should have and had to hack around my own failures :(
05:58.04dtzWilllol
05:58.23dtzWillrwhitby: well personally i just unedited the file after i got in
05:58.48dtzWillwe'll see what impact that has on things--not sure if ihave to keep up the 'no backups' masquerade or not.
05:58.56dtzWillwe'll see ^.^
06:00.14dtzWillwell backup app says i have backups enabled
06:00.16dtzWillforces manual backup
06:00.16dtzWilllol
06:00.55rwhitbyyou can check with Impostah to see what the server thinks
06:01.40dtzWillthe preware auto-installer runs after apps are all installed, right?
06:01.44dtzWilldamn i have too many apps :)
06:01.58rwhitbypreware auto-installer sometimes fails.  dunno why.
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06:02.05dtzWillwell it's building backups of various db's atm
06:02.26dtzWillpresumably it'll have np sending it to server, can impostah tell me date of last backup?
06:02.36dtzWill(more exactly, is that information made avail to us via server?)
06:02.48dtzWill(I'd check, but since all those apps are installing can't really do a whole lot re:preware/etc)
06:02.56dtzWillkk re:auto-installer fialing sometimes.
06:03.44dtzWillkk i see same parsing error, but it knows to ignore corrupt previous backups
06:03.56dtzWill"Ignoring error that occurred while purging"
06:04.05dtzWillhopefully taht means what i want it to mean :)
06:05.04dtzWillman i gotta watch the logs more often, they're fun
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06:14.50dtzWillbackup app still thrwing "unexpected token ILLEGAL" error, i'll play with tryhing to delete the server-side copy some more
06:18.02dtzWillheh i actually seem to recall this is how i did it lats time too
06:18.16dtzWillmaybe i'm bad at following instructions :P
06:18.18dtzWill:(
06:18.27dtzWillanyway, hopefully it works out, just thought i'd bring it up/mention it.
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06:40.29dtzWillare errors about databaseversion normal?
06:40.45dtzWilltoggled backups off, bounced it toggled on, forced backup--things seem well.
06:40.54dtzWill(at this point mostly mentioning this for logs's sake)
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07:23.12nirvyWeatherMaps Radar 1.4 is out, but I don't think any version has ever been released. if there's any interest, here's what it does. http://forums.precentral.net/webos-apps/277756-new-gps-weather-radar-app.html
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10:50.19SonnyDicksonHey Guys
10:52.21SonnyDicksonAnyone want a Palm Pre 2 $300AU Like New - Unlocked
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17:23.21Davide-NYCFolks, I'm giving away a Palm Pre(-) to anyone that is willing to take a stab at porting Rockbox to WebOS. See rockbox.org and especially look at the AndroidPort. (SDL)
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18:11.19summatusmentisDavide-NYC: what's rockbox's build system like?
18:11.46summatusmentisand are you takling about a client or a full-fledged OS?
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18:28.15Davide-NYCsummatusmentis: I'm not sure. They have a working Android port as well as a couple of other ports under the "Rockbox as an Application" project. It works with SDL and (supposedly) is trivial to port for those that know how.
18:28.30Davide-NYCI'm just not one of those people.
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18:44.20dwc-why would you put an mp3 player firmware on a phone?
18:45.07dwc-why would you want one, even
18:47.08PatrickCdwc-: huh?
18:48.55ka6sox-homedwc-, as an APPLICATION...not firmware
18:48.59ka6sox-homeits SDL.
18:49.51PatrickChey ka6sox-home. you gettin a touchpad early?
18:50.03ka6sox-homehuh? what?
18:50.37PatrickCHP is sending webos internals people a touchpad early? no?
18:50.50ka6sox-homeORLY?
18:50.52dwc-ok, but why would you want it as an application
18:51.12singmajestyWhy wouldn't you want an MP3 player as an application? :)
18:51.14Davide-NYCIt plays (practically) every format out there.
18:51.18PatrickCka6sox-home: let me find the link
18:51.31Davide-NYChttp://www.rockbox.org/wiki/WhyRockbox
18:51.34dwc-but you could have any other mp3 player
18:51.39dwc-application
18:51.44Davide-NYCmp3 only?
18:51.54dwc-davide-nyc: the libs that power rockbox are already available and nothing specific to rockbox
18:51.55PatrickCka6sox-home: http://m.precentral.net/hp-reaffirms-homebrew-support-sending-touchpads-webos-internals
18:52.20singmajestyAh, I see
18:52.28singmajestySo instead of using MP3 player software ...
18:52.43singmajestyYou're looking into porting firmware, because it contains a wealth of code for understanding and playing codecs?
18:52.49Davide-NYCis there an application that will play all of thos formats on WebOS?
18:52.53singmajestyPerhaps, in a better performing fashion than many applications?
18:52.54ka6sox-homeI just want a player that can stream from a url directly
18:52.54dwc-audiophile?
18:53.15dwc-there's also an mplayer port floating around somewhere
18:53.24PatrickCka6sox-home: I'm working on something like that
18:53.29PatrickCwant in on the alpha?
18:53.33Davide-NYCI pine for VLC as well.
18:53.37dwc-ka6: how's the wosi optware feeds et al?
18:54.05ka6sox-homedwc-: what do you mean? they are fine...
18:54.19ka6sox-homePatrickC, okay let me know when its done.
18:54.35PatrickCyou want in on the alpha? or you want to wait for the beta?
18:54.36dwc-remember a couple weeks ago, you were trying to figure out something about the old versions in them
18:54.54ka6sox-homeya,thats been fixed
18:55.14ka6sox-homeit was the i686 version blocking for the emulator.
18:55.20dwc-oh, cool
18:55.26dwc-ack, gotta run, bbl
19:05.28Davide-NYCAudiophile only runs on WebOS2.1, thus offer still stands and stil makes sense.
19:06.03PatrickCanyone wanting to help me test this app, PM me
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20:29.46newToWebOs#webos
20:30.02PatrickCyes?
20:30.07PatrickCthis is #webos-internals
20:30.39newToWebOsI tried to change to #webos channel because I have a question regarding how to develop a special plugin for web os presentation mode
20:31.01PatrickCthen do /join #webos
20:31.28newToWebOsthank you for your immediate help!
20:31.36PatrickCnp
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