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01:11.54PatrickCwhat are the novacom cmd's to get/send files?
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01:12.48bpadalinoget and put
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01:19.24PatrickChmm.. I wonder if I can fully set up git on my device..
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02:21.30rwhitbyhttp://bit.ly/homebrew-support-fox-business <- wow, just wow.
02:24.27oilcool
02:24.30halfhalowow is right
02:25.31destinalwhoa
02:26.23destinal"some phones or tablets would call that jailbreaking but not us.   we actually think that's great to do"  -- r kerris.  brilliant.
02:26.29zandilove that
02:26.40zandii love that attitude and wish more companies would take it
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02:36.22oc80zyea yearrr
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02:36.55oc80zrwhitby ayooo
02:37.13oc80zwho got the hands-on with the hp tab?
02:37.52rwhitbyWebOS Internals devs have a few.
02:38.40oc80zim dying to drop some cash on one eh
02:38.59oc80zis there any specs on hardware crypto??
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02:43.21oc80zgrr i'm gettin anxious mang
02:43.34oilnext friday
02:43.39oc80zno. shit.
02:43.46oilfreeze yourself
02:44.06oc80zyea man
02:44.22oc80zmy hp shit doesnt break.
02:44.42oiloh
02:44.52oilquality hardware?
02:44.57oc80zhells yeah.
02:45.13oc80zi have the hybrid tablet/pc
02:45.21oili got a hp laptop from work
02:45.27oildude using it managed to break the screen completely off
02:45.35oc80zthats some other shit right there.
02:45.46oc80zhow the shit? i dunno
02:45.47oilmy boss told me to pitch it and i was like "well ill just take it if we're throwing it away"
02:45.59oil$30 of parts off ebay later = perfect laptop
02:46.06oc80znice fix.
02:47.00oc80zwell....
02:47.02oilthe veer is definitely solid
02:47.15oc80zi messed with it at an AT&T store the other day, since my contract is up
02:47.27oilit feels almost too small
02:47.32Clark008I've played with the touchpad
02:47.32oillike its wrong that it should be that small
02:47.33oc80zgreat aint it?
02:47.35Clark008it's actually kind of nice
02:47.40oc80zits the first time i feel i have to follow the phone, not the carrier.
02:47.51oc80zClark008 light,ish?
02:47.52oilalmost dropped it like twice in the first minute i hield it
02:47.53Clark008veer will have 3.0 but without the touch to share stuff
02:47.57halfhalohearts the veer but has dropped it a few times
02:48.02oc80zoil hehe
02:48.06Clark008slightly heavy, but solid feel
02:48.26oilyou would totally forget you had it in your pocket and ruin it
02:48.26Clark008I have ipad2 so it's throwing my perception off
02:48.27oc80zwhats it in contrast (anyone know) to the new 10.1 samsung?
02:48.42Clark008it's heavier than 10.1
02:49.11oc80zthe ipad1 has not let me down, because its programmed like governed-engine
02:49.20rwhitbyMy Veer somehow came apart: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwhitby/5798850007/in/photostream - dunno what happened.  Tried to get a warranty replacement, but they wouldn't do it.
02:49.24oc80z...not-fucking-impressed with the cydia hack.
02:49.41oc80z^--- heh
02:49.46Clark008tear down ? lol
02:50.10oc80zyea irght
02:50.16oc80zclaaark! share more heh.
02:50.24Clark008I like it
02:50.25oc80zu drop some coin on it? you going to?
02:50.27Clark008interface is smooth
02:50.30dtzWillrwhitby: lol
02:50.30Clark008buttery
02:50.32oc80zyeaaa?
02:50.38oc80zhmmph
02:50.40Clark008I like the card stacks
02:50.43oc80zyea right?
02:50.45halfhalobets veer will do tts
02:51.02Clark008gesture controls takes some getting used coming from android/ios
02:51.05Clark008but very natural
02:51.26oc80zkeyboard wise yeah
02:51.29oilevery single phone i get in my hand i immediately try to back-gesture
02:51.39oilevery time
02:51.54Clark008the touch keyboard is decent
02:51.55oil"i need to go back"
02:52.02oiloh, rubbing my finger over this plastic does nothing
02:52.08Clark008the keyboard accessary feels very solid
02:52.12oc80zhehe
02:52.27oc80zyeah clark, i saw some hacks/tweaks/patchen already in preware
02:52.40oc80zwhats the wifi chipset?
02:52.47oc80z(can we aircrack-ng? heh)
02:54.00oc80z...whats the Vala_Terminal
02:54.53oc80zlooking around for touchpad specs
02:55.04oc80zoil it really friday?
02:55.16Clark008first time using webos
02:55.19Clark008I really like it
02:55.27Clark008it's different from the boring ios/android
02:55.36Clark008july 1st for touchpad
02:55.39oc80zclark the development is kick ass.
02:55.59oc80zah hell yeah
02:57.50oc80zi got some stuff id like to get on this rev. more suitable for the cpu.
02:57.57Clark008what are they devvin' ?
02:57.58oc80zthe stuff i put on the pre-1
02:58.19oc80zi did a remote sync for linux, tethering
02:58.52Clark008someone's giving me a pre plus
02:59.03Clark008so if someone can hack up a 3.0 for it, that'd be awesome
02:59.14LoudergoodI thought the point of 2.1.2 was so that it could do tts?
02:59.37oc80zhacking the dnsserver , some other things here and there that made a difference with packet mgmt.
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03:12.04oc80zwere the specs eh
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03:13.53oc80zheh
03:14.05oc80zlookin at the engadget head-to-head * 2
03:14.21oc80zd00d its 4G?
03:14.50Clark008the one coming in july 1st is wifi only
03:14.58oc80zoh hell no.
03:15.17Clark008I hear the 3g/4g coming late summer
03:15.38oc80zi need to get the hspda+
03:15.41oc80zso its world+
03:15.58oc80zdunno what LTE is doing.
03:16.35oc80z4g in sales means wimax, lte, hspa+
03:18.00oc80zso ipad2 has 25Wh battery, and hp tab 6,300 mAh
03:18.31oiloc80z: yeah, next friday
03:18.33oilthe 1st
03:18.35oc80zi think thi sis misleading
03:19.00oc80zi'd like that 4G
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03:20.00oc80zwatt hours and milliamp hours
03:20.48oc80zis that less mAh??
03:20.57oc80zlike 2500 mAh?
03:21.40Clark008I think 3g/4g versions of tablet is unnecessary since I can just tether it to my phone
03:22.21oc80zyeaa. but when the phone is 3g..
03:23.10oc80zi was messin with the new samsung 10.1 tablet
03:24.15oilis perfectly ok with wifi
03:24.36oilnot having to pay carrier any more money when i dont particularly like them in the first place
03:24.45halfhalowants 3g. and gps
03:24.52marclhwifi tabs are perfect imo
03:25.01summatusmentisI didn't realize HP had figured out the up-gesture on the TP
03:25.11summatusmentisdo they do it like RIM did?
03:25.31summatusmentisor is there some hidden gesture area that I missed?
03:26.02marclhit uses the pixels around the edges of the screen, a one pixel wide layer to detect the up gesture
03:26.18summatusmentisoh, so the same way the Playbook does it
03:26.29summatusmentisthat's still really cool
03:26.35summatusmentisI'm so dependent on that gesture
03:26.51marclhyeah, no hardware gesture area, it's not needed much in a tablet, too big
03:26.58summatusmentisright
03:27.00marclhphones is a different story
03:27.25summatusmentisI like the back-gesture, but I open the app launcher exclusively by swiping up
03:27.28oc80zyoo
03:27.36oc80zthe hp opal is 7" ??
03:27.50marclhyeah I think so oc80z
03:27.54oc80zhmmph
03:28.00summatusmentisoc80z: that's the rumor anyway
03:28.02marclhand the back gesture is very useful...
03:28.48marclhand the two finger swipe up to get the launche directly is good as well
03:28.58marclhlauncher*
03:29.52summatusmentisI think it was decided that the two-finger swipe is just two up-swipes registering one after another
03:30.33marclhprobably, but was it there in 1.x?
03:31.04summatusmentiswell, in theory it should work in 1.x
03:31.08summatusmentisI never tried
03:31.35marclhneither did I, when I had my Pre -
03:32.10summatusmentisI'm on 2.x on my pre-, otherwise I'd check
03:32.13rrixwhoa
03:32.26rrixjust learned something new today (two finger swipe) :P
03:32.29Clark008I'm probably going to wait for the 7" touchpad
03:32.44summatusmentisnot me, 7" tablets feel too small to me
03:32.46Clark008I think 9.7" is too big
03:33.04Clark008I've had ipad1 before, it was awkward to use
03:33.20Clark008I have ipad2 and galaxy 10.1 tab now
03:33.27Clark008and they're kinda big
03:33.33summatusmentisyeh, when I played with the Galaxy Tab 7", it just seems like an awkward size
03:33.36Clark008I use my nook color the post
03:33.38Clark008most*
03:33.41marclhI had the Archos 7 gen 8 tablet and it was too small, not big enough to use your hands to type like a keyboard but too big for thumbs
03:33.47summatusmentislike, the screen feels too small to use, but it's too big to hold in my hand
03:33.48Clark008I fit that in my pants pocket easily
03:34.16oc80zheh
03:34.19summatusmentisI have a Kindle DX, I don't mind the 9.8" size
03:34.23Clark008I 2-thumb the nook color when I type in portrait
03:34.31oc80zyeah
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03:34.41Clark008I hate carrying a bag around just to hold the ipad2
03:34.51oc80zshit,
03:34.53summatusmentisoh, I carry a bag all the time anyway
03:34.54oc80zppl are sketchy man
03:35.00marclhI'm using my TP for school, I always have a bag
03:35.04Clark008with the nook color 7", I just put it in my front pocket
03:35.07oc80zi shit you not i was charging one by the windows
03:35.16oc80zand some kid tried to break in, then came in the front, just to steal it
03:35.26oc80zu want that in a bag
03:35.44marclhtoo bad my tp comes july 20th -_- damn canada
03:35.58oc80zppl go ape shit over it. its bullshit, dont you know its locked down!
03:35.58Clark008hop the border
03:36.13oc80zhmmph marc
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03:36.23oc80zwell you;ll get the info when it comes out u know
03:36.24Clark008I keep the 7" tab in my pocket
03:36.28Clark008they can come and fight me for it
03:36.30marclhhaha, that's a while away and I doubt I'll be able to do that in my parents car
03:36.33oc80zyeah speaking of what tablets are for
03:36.39oc80zwhats good for the reading apps?
03:36.45marclhoh I know, I can't wait
03:36.46oc80zi use ah, whats that one call
03:36.47oc80zlet me look
03:36.54oc80zStanza
03:37.01oc80zfor iPad..
03:37.10Clark008for android, I use pdf to go but I hear fbreader is good
03:37.11oc80zits linux friendl, over the air wifi book sharing..
03:37.14oc80zits epicc good..
03:37.21marclhget someone to try and port Stanza?
03:37.25summatusmentisthe TP will have kindle
03:37.29Clark008for ipad2, I just use the ibook
03:37.38marclhtouche, kindle
03:37.39oc80zmarclh server stanza is opensource, dunno about the reader
03:37.50oc80zbut yr right
03:37.53oc80zill check
03:38.04oc80zid drop $50 for the app.
03:38.11bubby323Somebody want to help me?
03:38.19marclhI don't really read books so it doesn't really matter for me haha
03:38.20oc80zbrb
03:38.32marclhsure bubby323, I'll try
03:38.41destinalmarclh: stanza's open source?
03:39.02marclhdon't know, destinal
03:39.08bubby323I redoctored my Pre 2 to get it on my palm profile and it restored everything and all of that but under messaging > accounts & preferences it says SMS account Dr. SkippedFirstUse
03:39.11destinalfbreader's probably more likely of a port
03:39.16destinalbut it's decent I hear
03:39.20bubby323But under Device Settings its my email
03:39.44rrixfbreader should be pretty easy to port
03:40.00marclhcan you send SMS? or is it just an account that you don't need?
03:40.09summatusmentisI don't see anything on the stanza website about it being open source
03:40.22rrixIt's written frontend-agnostic, so you could easily whip something up in SDL, or just use the Qt in preware.
03:40.39summatusmentisfbreader is?
03:40.42summatusmentisI didn't know that
03:40.52rrixthere's gtk and qt frontends, already
03:41.10rrixits a compile-time thing, but you can swap them fairly easily
03:41.17summatusmentisinteresting
03:41.30rrix<3 fbreader :)
03:41.45summatusmentisI only used it briefly on my netbook as an ereader
03:41.55summatusmentisthen I cracked the screen on my netbook :(
03:42.11rrixused it when he didn't have a PalmOS device, but had lots of plucker stuff he wanted to read
03:42.17rrixhas tons of native format support
03:43.48summatusmentisheh, the only palmos device I had had way too small of a screen to do any reading on
03:44.04rrixMy T|X mostly worked for it
03:44.19summatusmentisI had a centro :)
03:44.27rrixahh, yeah. :)
03:44.44rrixwonders how his Pre2 would handles as an idle bus-stop reader
03:44.50rrixscreen is smaller
03:47.13marclhdoes the tp support skype to pc video chat? most tabs dont...
03:47.32bubby323That's unknown until the 1st im afraid..
03:47.41marclhah damn
03:47.46bubby323I know right..
03:47.58marclhit's a major selling point for me
03:48.11marclhmy netbook lagged like hell doing video chats
03:48.26marclhso I sold it for my tp fund :D
03:48.55bubby323Nice
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03:49.52marclhand a netbook is annoying to take to college, especially with a 9 cell battery to last the day...
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07:09.17nomad84good morning
07:40.00nomad84is there an ssh client for webos (other than cli ssh)?
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09:05.55rrixThere's a puTTY in the app catalog, but it looks like it has mixed reviews. Also not free, like 3$
09:11.07rwhitbyrrix: it also needs a program on a Windows PC to work. it's a fail.
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09:32.21rrixDoes it?
09:32.26rrixand it calls itself putty?
09:32.34rrixThat's... reallllly failtastic.
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11:08.02Darkmagisterhi,someone can help me to know how can i create an UI in js+html and connect it to a c app and package it for the palm pre ???1
11:08.03DMeister-webOSIThi
11:17.06DMeister-webOSITwhy if I increase the value of the compcache up to 96 Mb, Govnah can't set that value, reintroducing 32 mb??
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12:34.21haeffbhow do I get to USB mode w/o touchscreen?
12:44.10haeffbnvm, got it
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13:26.18adarshajHi, Can I connect my pixi running web0s 1.4.5 with uber kernel to ad-hoc wifi network?
13:26.39phoque_uniI thought the Pixi- doesn't have WiFi
13:27.22adarshajI do have, but allows to connect only to infrastructure ones. but I have access to terminal, so was just thinking if its possible..
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16:04.42PatrickCyeah.. :P
16:04.59PatrickChttp://mobile.twitter.com/veitia/status/84649661977198592
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16:05.42Loudergoodthat's a much bigger bug than the one I reported
16:06.08PatrickCwhat happened to you?
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22:31.23chris4242greetings
22:32.04chris4242anyone alive in here?
22:37.00oc80zheh
22:40.07SineOtbuk buk
22:40.12SineOtwe're all chickens here :I
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22:42.24chris4242Hello
22:42.27chris4242again
22:43.28SineOtwelcome back
22:43.58chris4242firefox update killed me ^_^
22:44.31chris4242Does anyone has experience with the synergy plugins?
22:45.25NuttyBunnyno, no one ;)  what are you looking for?
22:45.40chris4242haha good was hoping u are alive :-D
22:46.05chris4242I was somehow unhappy with the web2sms app for O2 GErmany
22:46.05NuttyBunnyhides
22:46.11chris4242:-D
22:46.16chris4242oh where is NB??
22:46.22chris4242:-)
22:46.30chris4242think I PMed that before
22:46.33NuttyBunnyweb2sms
22:46.52chris4242right now it is a standalone app
22:47.03chris4242which is annoying... like extra login, keeps its own history
22:47.05chris4242etc
22:47.22chris4242so I thought of integrating it into the synergy messaging
22:47.26chris4242like the plugins
22:47.51chris4242since I couldn't motivate a developer to take a look
22:48.20chris4242I looked into the developer documentation of Palm for the synergy stuff
22:48.52SineOtIt's vague
22:48.52chris4242however content seems to need.... let's say improvement
22:48.55NuttyBunnywell, the way Greg did it is with a couple of "transport" files (imaccountvalidator and imlibpurpletransport), you could grab the source for both and play around, I don't know of other way to do messaging, the source is in opensource.palm.com
22:49.12SineOtlike, uncomfortably vague :/
22:49.14chris4242yes, I looked at it...
22:49.25chris4242I think it could be way easier with the web2sms thing
22:49.26SineOtI was looking at it and it's sparse to the point of being near useless
22:50.05chris4242the web2sms is based on Javascript
22:50.16chris4242like logging in to the website and send the sms
22:50.36NuttyBunnyyou can look the callbacks in the transports and use those with js (I suppose)
22:50.37chris4242I hoped to integrate that into the messaging with my own transport
22:51.30NuttyBunnyOk, how the hell do they expect me to play Team Fortress? It requires 10Gb of free space and I have 500Mb ;)
22:51.38NuttyBunnysorry, go on
22:51.55chris4242öh... yes...
22:52.23chris4242yeah... big BUT... I am not a developer... I did some programming like ten years ago, so I can make sense out of the tutorial and how the synergy thing should work
22:52.34chris4242however I am not able to get it off
22:53.14chris4242I was able to integrate the create account part... so my modest wish would have been to just get a log entry when I create the account
22:53.18chris4242so far no luck
22:53.46chris4242so (after this lengthy intro) is there any more documentation on the synergy stuff?
22:54.26NuttyBunnyaaaaaah... pff.. I really don't think so... you could ask chuq, or in the Palm forums, but I don't think they haven't made much improvement there...
22:54.41NuttyBunnythey still have the same messaging protocols in .... well.. you know where :
22:55.23SineOtWho knows, maybe the reason it's so sparse is because it's getting changed in 3.0/Enyo again
22:56.01SineOtI'm still holding to the dream that Sprint will get a Pre3 slate that will be the flagship 3.0 phone :p
22:56.34chris4242not sure why they don't have stuff... I even feel the tutorial is not working too well
22:57.14chris4242I thought of using the messaging plugins and get the idea out of that...
22:57.34chris4242but good to know that there is not much more out there...
22:57.36NuttyBunnySineOt: It's not changing, I guess it almost the same sh*t
22:57.59NuttyBunnythe interface may change, b/c of enyo, but the innards.. the same
22:58.17NuttyBunnygood/bad... 2.x plugins should work with minimal effort
22:58.49NuttyBunnyargh, 5Gb more.. help? ;)
22:58.58SineOtbuy a bigger drive? :I
22:59.11chris4242troubles with 5gb?
22:59.57NuttyBunnywell, baobab won't help me much, I must have tons of really small files  :(
23:00.57chris4242so, some related question
23:01.08chris4242in case of I get that far, that it works
23:01.40chris4242is there a possibility to show a popup in the messaging app, while sending a message over the new transport?
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23:02.32NuttyBunnypopup? should be, but if you're trying to do it as plugins, you should go the way the messaging app works, your transport will talk to the messaging app, and it will send a notification, just like the normal messaging app does
23:03.19chris4242hmmm... not sure if we are talking about the same
23:03.29chris4242first I only want to send msgs
23:03.37chris4242so my idea behind it
23:03.57chris4242as soon as i hit the send in the msg app, it logs in to the SMS service, sends the sms
23:04.05SineOtA Synergy transport will hook the stock messaging app up with your <target> which in this case is the sms2web thingy
23:04.31chris4242at that point I want to popup a dialog to show the amount of free SMS left.
23:04.45SineOtDon't think that you could do that, but I dunno.
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23:05.46NuttyBunnyaaaahhh
23:06.13NuttyBunny<PROTECTED>
23:06.16chris4242still 5gb missing?
23:06.28NuttyBunnyno, I need just 2 more ;)
23:07.47NuttyBunnyI don't know how feasible is that you could subscribe to a node.js service with both your plugin and a background app, which could be the one sending the popup
23:08.03NuttyBunnyor a .c service, or whatever
23:08.25chris4242yeah... c service is out of my area of competence :-D
23:08.53chris4242not having done any coding for 10 years gives me already a hard time on javascript :-D
23:13.17chris4242hmmm... ok, next question
23:13.35chris4242anyone here, that knows if the linphone stuff is still under development?
23:14.15chris4242bueller?
23:14.21chris4242bueller?
23:14.23chris4242anyone?
23:17.43ka6sox-awaychris1492, 1 minute for an answer isn't a "bueller" moment.
23:21.03chris4242hehe.. I am very impatient
23:21.32chris4242not sure how this works... everyone in here is hibernating?
23:24.00ka6sox-awaychris1492, well...its a saturday( depending on where you are ) and often they are "slow"
23:25.45chris4242hmmm... is there a way to get the history of the chat?
23:26.05chris4242won't leave the chat on
23:26.16chris4242so if someone is answering I'll miss it
23:26.56SineOtlink in the topic~
23:27.06SineOtLogs: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/
23:27.13SineOtyou can view everything
23:27.16ka6sox-awayhttp://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/
23:27.59ka6sox-awayhmm...wonder if those are still on the old server...should check that.
23:29.36chris4242huh ok, sorry for missing it in the topic
23:31.53NuttyBunnyeveryone here isn't hibernating, but we're on a weekend, family, you know :)
23:32.12SineOtI'm not hibernating
23:32.18SineOtI'm… Customizing ponies :(
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23:33.32ka6sox-awaySineOt, these kind of ponies?: http://dvice.com/archives/2010/11/meet-the-my-lit.php
23:33.45chris4242hehe...
23:33.59SineOthell no
23:34.04SineOtthose things are abominations :<
23:34.14SineOtGeneration 3/3.5 were just… So. So bad.
23:34.54chris4242when I open the link will i bea able to sleep afterwards?
23:35.23SineOtyeah
23:35.24ka6sox-awaysome things, once seen, will never leave you.
23:35.28chris4242I just remember that it can be very unwise to click on unknown links in chats
23:35.55SineOtchris4242: it's one of the terrible "newborn" G3.5 ponies with a soldering iron for a unicorn horn
23:36.04chris4242...
23:36.21chris4242ok.... guess some ppl really have too much time on work :-)
23:37.20chris4242"Oh I could repair this radio... orrrr.... I mate a pink pony with a soldering iron!"
23:37.46NuttyBunnyhehehe.. it's nice :)
23:38.19ka6sox-awayhey...mine works perfectly...nice when you need a "third hand"
23:38.23ka6sox-awayfor soldering
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23:43.05DMeisterwhy if I increase the value of compcache up to 96 Mb, Govnah can't see this value, reintroducing the default 32 Mb... ??? Why?
23:44.05NuttyBunnyperhaps... Govnah doesn't have the 96Mb option?
23:44.41SineOtYou don't really need to be taking comp cache up that high.
23:46.32DMeisteryeah, but over 96 Mb Is a risk?
23:47.04SineOtdunno
23:47.44DMeisteroki... Thanks...
23:48.23NuttyBunnySteam: Downloading Teamfortress 2 at 100kb/s (0%) 11 hours left
23:48.47chris4242you are doing a gaming session?
23:49.26NuttyBunnynah, it's free and I just want to see what the fuzz is all about.  After all, I LOVE First person shooters :D
23:49.38SineOtHaha.
23:50.12NuttyBunnyit's been a looooong time since my last LAN party
23:50.26NuttyBunnyUT2003 was the rage at that time, and StarCraft (1)
23:51.24NuttyBunnybbl
23:51.34ka6sox-homeUT-GOTY and SC(1) for me.
23:52.13ka6sox-homeour "LAN parties" when I went to College were MUDs on the Mainframe.
23:52.23halfhaloi miss ut04... *sniff*
23:53.37chris4242hmmm i remember starcraft.... it was the reason i stopped gaming :-D
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23:57.22NuttyBunnyWe started back in the days with Doom, then ROTT, then Duke... the rest.. his history ;)
23:58.37haeffbCastle Wolfenstein
23:59.06haeffbwait, what?
23:59.27ka6sox-homewe had a StarTrek game on the System360/40...wasted a lot of paper :D
23:59.35sugardaverwhitby: I can't remember if I told already, but trying to use the touchpad as bluetooth audio for a non-webOS phone did not work

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