| 00:00.10 | PatrickC | lol |
| 00:00.20 | ka6sox | dwc-, if you are going to put the key on the keyboard, you might as well make it function correctly...also ergonomics says if you don't have to reach up and touch (since you have the keyboard alredy doing the tougher bit) why not finish the job. |
| 00:03.08 | dwc- | exactly. this is why I prefer keyboard to mouse navigation |
| 00:03.15 | dwc- | and trackpoints to touchpads |
| 00:03.40 | Loudergood | my trackpoint has broken my ability to buy non-trackpoint laptops |
| 00:03.48 | cat-xeger | Ugh. I hate trackpoints. They give me finger cramps, and they're not nearly as flexible/adjustable as a nice touchpad |
| 00:03.58 | Loudergood | still haven't cracked and bought the trackpoint desktop keyboard though |
| 00:04.07 | cat-xeger | ... but trackpoints vs touchpads is (yet another) underwear problem |
| 00:05.24 | dtzWill | summatusmentis: i'd imagine not. it's just not supported atm. |
| 00:05.31 | dtzWill | dwc-: agreed. but i was hoping to be able to use my tablet as a laptop of sorts |
| 00:05.35 | summatusmentis | dtzWill: buh, bummer |
| 00:06.26 | dtzWill | it has the functionality and capabilities, just I would love it if i could use my keyboard to be the primary way of controlling the tablet |
| 00:08.11 | oil | sounds like we need a keyboss type app to do more with the keyboard? |
| 00:08.27 | oil | if egaudet were here he could speak to its possibility |
| 00:12.14 | dwc- | maybe it just needs more keyboard shortcuts |
| 00:13.29 | dwc- | I didn't think to look at the touchpad keyboards at the meetup |
| 00:16.37 | dtzWill | dwc-: yeah just need some keyboard shortcuts :D |
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| 00:22.40 | fudge_ | is anyone willing to trade a GSM comms board for a sprint CDMA comms board/? |
| 00:25.04 | bnceo | I want a Pre2 so I can do this conversion! |
| 00:25.07 | bnceo | hola NuttyBunny |
| 00:25.12 | bnceo | waves at oil |
| 00:26.00 | fudge_ | lol |
| 00:26.14 | fudge_ | i need a GSM comms board badly |
| 00:26.16 | bnceo | dtzWill: about your touchstone, I assume it's a TP one? If so, where you buy it from? Mine is still MIA on amazon |
| 00:26.53 | dtzWill | bnceo: just got update on my amazon order earlier today. |
| 00:26.59 | dtzWill | says should be here by the 8th or so |
| 00:27.07 | dtzWill | up form the 21st or whatever. |
| 00:27.30 | bnceo | yup. nothing |
| 00:27.37 | bnceo | july 13 - aug 1 for me |
| 00:27.48 | bnceo | I preordered day before launch tho |
| 00:29.24 | ka6sox | fudge_, maybe have one...need to check first. |
| 00:29.51 | fudge_ | i'd love you forever if you have one. please let me know asap. |
| 00:30.05 | egaudet | me xchat light uP? |
| 00:33.49 | dtzWill | bnceo: i didn't order much earlier than that--hopefully yours will come soon! :) |
| 00:34.15 | bnceo | need it before july 21. I leave for Peru that day |
| 00:35.13 | ka6sox | fudge_, it might be tommorrow before I konw. |
| 00:36.07 | fudge_ | lol ok no problem |
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| 00:53.39 | rwhitby | masterhit: are you on webOS 1.4.5 ? |
| 00:55.45 | fudge_ | wow |
| 00:55.52 | fudge_ | pixi's for $40 |
| 00:55.52 | fudge_ | :O |
| 00:56.28 | ka6sox | rwhitby, 2.1 |
| 00:56.32 | ka6sox | pre- |
| 00:58.46 | rwhitby | dunno then. I tested 1.5.3 to 1.7.0 upgrade |
| 00:58.51 | rwhitby | need a better bug report |
| 00:59.06 | ka6sox | did you see the ipkg log? |
| 00:59.23 | ka6sox | he was going from 1.5.2 to 1.6.0 |
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| 01:03.37 | bnceo | fudge_: pixi isn't worth it |
| 01:03.42 | bnceo | unless it's for an emergency phone |
| 01:03.53 | fudge_ | lol |
| 01:03.59 | fudge_ | i used to own one |
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| 01:05.46 | fudge_ | `what makes you say it isnt worth it bnceo? |
| 01:05.57 | bnceo | cause it's so underpowered |
| 01:06.07 | NuttyBunny | hey all, hola bnceo |
| 01:06.19 | fudge_ | if you over clock it |
| 01:06.22 | bnceo | my gf is using one until her Pre comes back from warranty |
| 01:06.26 | bnceo | still not worth it |
| 01:06.31 | bnceo | keyboard is nice tho |
| 01:06.41 | rwhitby | ka6sox: yep, I need listings of his filesystem before and after |
| 01:07.08 | fudge_ | yeah i like the keyboard way better |
| 01:07.49 | ka6sox | rwhitby, okay... |
| 01:08.34 | fudge_ | still cant figure out why my pre is missing calls when on EVDO connection |
| 01:18.20 | dtzWill | anyone here have the hp keyboard? |
| 01:18.35 | dtzWill | got it to sync with my touchpad just fine, but can't seem to get it into pairing mode again |
| 01:18.48 | dtzWill | wanna play with it as input for my media center |
| 01:24.20 | dtzWill | answer is to disable bt on the touchpad |
| 01:24.24 | dtzWill | so it doesn't grab it or something. |
| 01:24.26 | dtzWill | <--bt noob |
| 01:25.58 | ka6sox | you need to make sure the entertainment centre doesn't still "own" it. |
| 01:26.25 | ka6sox | then go to the BT setup in the settings tab |
| 01:26.30 | ka6sox | then refind it. |
| 01:26.45 | ka6sox | but first the entertainment centre needs to not own it anymore. |
| 01:32.45 | dtzWill | ka6sox: ty. i was actually trying to go the /other/ way |
| 01:32.55 | dtzWill | solution was what you said, disable the 'owning' device. |
| 01:33.06 | dtzWill | oh you're saying going from center back to touchpad might require some magic? hmm |
| 01:34.56 | ka6sox | not magick...just make sure the media centre doesn't own it still. |
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| 02:09.46 | dbb | hi - just surfing through after the HP Tablet announcment.. Can someone tell me, for WebOS 3, what is a "native app" written in? is this a Java situation ? |
| 02:10.11 | dbb | I went to this page http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Portal:Where_to_Get_Started |
| 02:10.31 | dbb | but a lot of legacy references... I am asking about the new Tablet apps |
| 02:10.44 | scoutcamper | dbb, Enyo |
| 02:11.14 | summatusmentis | dbb: webOS uses web apps, so, javascript, css, html |
| 02:11.26 | scoutcamper | dbb, https://developer.palm.com/ |
| 02:11.44 | summatusmentis | not exclusively, you can also use C/C++ |
| 02:12.03 | dbb | in the C/C++ case.. what is the GUI framework ? |
| 02:12.17 | dbb | (I am reading an Enyo page now) |
| 02:13.33 | summatusmentis | I believe SDL |
| 02:13.38 | summatusmentis | not 100% sure |
| 02:16.01 | summatusmentis | you want to look at the PDK if you're interested in C/C++ |
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| 02:30.20 | cryptk | takes the TP a bit to index all my music |
| 02:30.51 | oil | heh |
| 02:31.19 | oil | has a photo app full of album art now :/ |
| 02:31.43 | summatusmentis | yeah, I hate that |
| 02:32.22 | bpadalino | sounds like a bug to me |
| 02:33.20 | cryptk | I have about 2000 mp3's all with album art and playlists |
| 02:34.09 | cryptk | and sorted into folders by Artist/Album/Artist-Song.mp3 |
| 02:34.36 | cryptk | it's on the home stretch now though |
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| 03:15.25 | NuttyBunny | rwhitby: hello app in git has services, right? :) |
| 03:15.29 | NuttyBunny | node.js? |
| 03:15.39 | rwhitby | yes |
| 03:15.49 | NuttyBunny | thanks! |
| 03:28.06 | PatrickC | http://www.webosroundup.com/2011/07/new-security-vulnerabilities-unveiled-in-webos-3-0/ ~ could patches fix issues like these?? |
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| 03:49.45 | Adkron | anyone figured out if there is a way to get webos 3.0 on the pre plus? |
| 03:55.04 | summatusmentis | I expect there isn't |
| 03:55.14 | summatusmentis | but I also don't think anyone has tried |
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| 03:59.19 | Doug77 | anybody know where to get Linphone? |
| 04:00.16 | scoutcamper | Doug77, conntact rwhitby |
| 04:00.22 | Doug77 | there is a long thread on precentral but it is mostly people asking for liks |
| 04:00.34 | Doug77 | ok thanks |
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| 04:00.36 | rwhitby | Doug77: what device and SIP provider? |
| 04:00.55 | Doug77 | veer with onsip |
| 04:01.19 | rwhitby | Doug77: see /msg and report in the precentral thread |
| 04:02.47 | Doug77 | great! it installed |
| 04:03.10 | Doug77 | I will report back. thank you! |
| 04:05.15 | Adkron | summatusmentis: thanks |
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| 04:41.29 | oc80z | uh |
| 04:41.32 | oc80z | patrick |
| 04:41.39 | PatrickC | oc80z: yes? |
| 04:41.47 | oc80z | thats the worst post ive ever seen in here re: webosroundup |
| 04:41.51 | oc80z | who the shit? |
| 04:41.58 | oc80z | However, those with more nefarious goals may see potential in abusing this openness for gaining access to private and personal information |
| 04:42.09 | oc80z | what the fuck? |
| 04:42.34 | oc80z | re: webOS has long been touted as one of the most friendly and open operating systems on the market |
| 04:42.50 | oc80z | Mr. Gary Katzer needs to shut the fuck up |
| 04:43.00 | rwhitby | oc80z: oh, it was worse than that before. it made a homebrew association |
| 04:43.19 | oc80z | hrm....... |
| 04:43.27 | oc80z | haha! yeah |
| 04:43.52 | oc80z | i see ppl saying that in the comments |
| 04:44.19 | oc80z | facepalm |
| 04:44.31 | oc80z | They also showed how hackers could slip in keyloggers and build a mobile botnet |
| 04:44.34 | oc80z | ...this dude |
| 04:46.32 | oc80z | he made a good post about the 2year-old birthday of webos-internals |
| 04:47.43 | azakus | oc80z: exploit requires you to have a friend named "joe <iframe src="http://sketchyplace.biz/hacks.php" <>> smith" |
| 04:48.35 | azakus | or some such |
| 04:49.39 | oc80z | is it really an exploit? |
| 04:50.01 | azakus | just missing some html escaping in the contacts handling bits |
| 04:50.56 | oc80z | im not sure whats being exploited. |
| 04:51.06 | oc80z | the email client? the browser? |
| 04:51.15 | azakus | email probably |
| 04:51.17 | azakus | not browser |
| 04:51.40 | oc80z | link? |
| 04:51.59 | azakus | just some thoughts |
| 04:52.00 | oc80z | ah, darkreading.. |
| 04:52.36 | oc80z | A researcher discovered a zero-day flaw in HP's new TouchPad that lets an attacker inject code into the Contacts application in order to steal information from the device or to build a botnet. |
| 04:52.50 | oc80z | ^--- mmmmm doubt the latter |
| 04:53.12 | oc80z | dunno it seems far fetched |
| 04:53.19 | ka6sox | do apps have access to the db8 files with the data? ypu |
| 04:53.44 | ka6sox | does FB for example export your contact list on an unencrypted data path? you bet. |
| 04:54.25 | azakus | there's been worse hacks than this in other products |
| 04:54.40 | azakus | ios's drive by jailbreak for example |
| 04:54.58 | oc80z | heh |
| 04:54.58 | PatrickC | ka6sox: PM? |
| 04:55.13 | ka6sox | PatrickC, not right now...too busy |
| 04:55.15 | oc80z | the communication these bloggers have is awful ka6sox |
| 04:55.18 | PatrickC | ok. |
| 04:55.30 | oc80z | they say one thing, then say somthing about running 3rd party software can be dangerous.. which one is it? |
| 04:56.11 | oc80z | did you hit a bad website, or did you run webos3-bandwidth-uncapper.sh |
| 04:56.37 | rrix | snorts at webosroundup |
| 04:56.47 | oc80z | dude |
| 04:57.06 | oc80z | and they link the 'demo'd exploit' to a 2 year old exploit |
| 04:57.17 | rrix | I love it when bloggers think they're journalists. |
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| 04:57.43 | rrix | Well |
| 04:57.52 | rrix | I guess his profile below the story mentions print media |
| 04:57.53 | oc80z | ka6sox so the contact list is not on cryptofs? |
| 04:58.01 | rrix | Still a shady motherf*** |
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| 04:58.40 | oc80z | sensationalism. |
| 04:58.45 | rrix | Yup |
| 04:58.48 | rrix | Exactly |
| 04:59.20 | infidel | is there a way to ssh into webos without novaterm? |
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| 04:59.40 | rrix | infidel: install a terminal |
| 04:59.41 | oc80z | infidel dont think so chieve. |
| 04:59.51 | oc80z | a terminal? |
| 05:00.02 | rrix | infidel: There is Terminal in preware, and sdlterminal somewhere on precentral |
| 05:00.02 | infidel | i'm running linux |
| 05:00.22 | rrix | You can configure ssh's keys from the terminal in preware and copy them to internal usb |
| 05:00.25 | infidel | i installed openssh server on the device |
| 05:00.40 | infidel | i see thnaks |
| 05:01.16 | oc80z | true, then again novaterm doesnt SSH, does it. |
| 05:01.23 | rrix | It's configure to only allow ssh PKI-based logins, so you have to generate the PKI either on the device or on a desktop and put them in ~/.ssh |
| 05:01.30 | oc80z | its just a terminal |
| 05:01.31 | oc80z | heh |
| 05:01.40 | rrix | right, I think it just does tty over the usb |
| 05:01.42 | oc80z | infidel are you a blogger. |
| 05:01.44 | oc80z | hehe |
| 05:01.58 | rrix | He's with webosInternals! |
| 05:02.01 | infidel | no |
| 05:02.10 | oc80z | pki? psk? |
| 05:02.17 | rrix | pki == public key |
| 05:02.26 | oc80z | whats the i stand for |
| 05:02.34 | rrix | infrastructure, iirc |
| 05:02.39 | azakus | ^ |
| 05:02.46 | oc80z | ooh |
| 05:02.58 | oc80z | i say keypair heh. |
| 05:03.09 | azakus | PKI is a more general term |
| 05:03.18 | oc80z | ah |
| 05:03.22 | azakus | ssl certs are a PKI |
| 05:03.26 | rrix | well, you know what I mean. password login is disabled :) |
| 05:03.40 | oc80z | yeah |
| 05:04.17 | ka6sox | the app has access to that cryptofs db |
| 05:04.25 | ka6sox | (facebook for example) |
| 05:04.51 | oc80z | yeah. |
| 05:05.01 | oc80z | ifc it should |
| 05:06.18 | oc80z | *sigh* |
| 05:06.57 | oc80z | ive yet to find time and get terminal/terminus working on whatever verizon i flashed to the sprint pre |
| 05:07.14 | rrix | just uses sdlterminal |
| 05:07.19 | rrix | Terminal never worked on my 2.0.1 |
| 05:07.32 | oc80z | thanks rrix |
| 05:08.00 | rrix | the keybindings that aren't on the Pre are accessible using the symbol key, which is nice |
| 05:08.38 | oc80z | after this installs im pc out |
| 05:09.05 | oc80z | been looking at mtd/nand C the past few hours |
| 05:09.28 | summatusmentis | terminus works, you just need to modify the jail file |
| 05:09.34 | oc80z | ...really want to get a build environment going for pre |
| 05:09.52 | rrix | I couldn't figure out the arrow keys, keymods, etc for terminus |
| 05:09.54 | summatusmentis | rrix: I can't ever get sdlterminal to install complete the installation |
| 05:09.54 | oc80z | i stumbled on slug yeah summa?? |
| 05:10.01 | rrix | Odd |
| 05:10.07 | summatusmentis | it downloads, and never installs |
| 05:10.07 | oc80z | what jail file eh? |
| 05:10.18 | oc80z | within... |
| 05:10.37 | oc80z | is somthing i can do over shell? |
| 05:10.59 | summatusmentis | oc80z: yes |
| 05:11.08 | oc80z | ill google it ;] |
| 05:11.11 | summatusmentis | http://www.mobileunderground.info/showthread.php?t=45462&page=1 |
| 05:11.16 | oc80z | +1 |
| 05:11.24 | oc80z | upboat |
| 05:11.33 | summatusmentis | that was the first thing I found googling, precentral has an article on it too, I think |
| 05:12.03 | oc80z | sick+ |
| 05:12.17 | oc80z | yeah that ah, sdlterminal install is hung |
| 05:12.21 | oc80z | like a tictac |
| 05:12.49 | oc80z | chea! jasonR w/ the terminus |
| 05:13.27 | rrix | It worked just fine for me, on vzw pre2 *shrug* |
| 05:13.28 | rrix | That sucks |
| 05:13.31 | rrix | I quite like sdlterminal |
| 05:13.37 | oc80z | *shrug* |
| 05:13.42 | rrix | Sorry sorry |
| 05:13.53 | oc80z | hehe |
| 05:13.55 | rrix | looks at his broken webmail, grimaces and dives in |
| 05:13.57 | oc80z | i dont expect much man |
| 05:14.07 | rrix | managing your own mailserver ROCKS |
| 05:14.11 | oc80z | the phones 2 years old, |
| 05:14.31 | rwhitby | None of the half-baked terminal solutions work on the TouchPad. And I can say half-backed cause I was involved somehow in most of them. |
| 05:15.02 | rrix | Most of them are still feature incomplete, honestly |
| 05:15.11 | oc80z | has lots of expectations for Xorg section in preware |
| 05:15.30 | rrix | Of the three big ones, none of them work with irssi :< |
| 05:15.30 | rrix | they screwed up rendering |
| 05:15.52 | rrix | Which isn't that big, since I was moving to ZNC anyways, but :) |
| 05:16.59 | oc80z | is firefox coming to HP? |
| 05:18.07 | PatrickC | to HP? you mean the TP? |
| 05:18.09 | PatrickC | I hope so |
| 05:18.41 | rwhitby | oc80z: you're following Xecutah? |
| 05:19.46 | summatusmentis | I'm excited about what Xecutah means, in the long term |
| 05:19.58 | summatusmentis | is there a better source of info than the git logs? |
| 05:20.30 | oc80z | i dont know rw, but i know what i saw in web os 1.x , is a preview of whats head in 3.x and 4.x |
| 05:22.07 | oc80z | im not follow it. |
| 05:23.46 | oc80z | for the record, |
| 05:24.00 | oc80z | bloggers on lwn.net are not sensationalists. |
| 05:24.10 | oc80z | if anyone wants to read real linux news. |
| 05:24.23 | oc80z | linux.reddit.com is a good start... |
| 05:24.24 | rwhitby | summatusmentis: source code and git logs is it |
| 05:24.39 | oc80z | googlefu is no match for Xecutah |
| 05:25.09 | oc80z | i didnt know uberkernel was 2.6.24 |
| 05:28.08 | rwhitby | uberkernel matches the palm kernel it is replacing |
| 05:28.22 | rwhitby | no other way to get binary kernel module compatibility |
| 05:29.54 | oc80z | kernel magic |
| 05:30.10 | oc80z | hmmph |
| 05:30.51 | ka6sox | oc80z, its not magic... |
| 05:31.00 | ka6sox | node.js...thats magic. |
| 05:31.00 | oc80z | nah it is! |
| 05:31.07 | oc80z | touche. |
| 05:31.42 | ka6sox | the kernel has to be simple and consistent... |
| 05:31.46 | oc80z | (but running any ipt/kmod/blobs that are linked else where == bad kernel magic) |
| 05:31.50 | ka6sox | if its not...chaos... |
| 05:32.01 | oc80z | good example, ipt-chaos |
| 05:32.04 | oc80z | hehe. |
| 05:32.13 | ka6sox | its quite orderly |
| 05:32.21 | ka6sox | with well defined interfaces. |
| 05:32.31 | ka6sox | unlike apps. |
| 05:32.43 | oc80z | with random <include version.h> |
| 05:32.44 | oc80z | hehe |
| 05:32.57 | oc80z | or are you talking java :/ |
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| 05:33.15 | ka6sox | well...its what abstracts the hardware into something consistent for the user. |
| 05:33.45 | ka6sox | and it runs on many different platforms with many different configurations and architectures. |
| 05:34.03 | ka6sox | to provide a consistent user experience. |
| 05:34.07 | oc80z | the beauty of jvm. |
| 05:34.37 | ka6sox | I am referring to the kernel...not a bloated thing. |
| 05:34.54 | oc80z | oh that blob? heh jk |
| 05:35.04 | ka6sox | jvm is a pig that can't fly or sing. |
| 05:35.38 | oc80z | loool but its much more than that. |
| 05:36.14 | oc80z | because its bacon. |
| 05:36.27 | oc80z | omfg, no man, heh.. |
| 05:36.28 | ka6sox | its a memory and CPU PIG is what it is. |
| 05:36.31 | oc80z | yes |
| 05:36.37 | oc80z | but, |
| 05:36.52 | oc80z | theres FAR more java programmers out there than, all programmers? |
| 05:37.06 | ka6sox | yes, it works uniformly poorly across all platforms... |
| 05:37.17 | oc80z | :D |
| 05:37.27 | oc80z | poor javacode, runs poor. |
| 05:37.29 | ka6sox | its intel's dream language |
| 05:37.46 | ka6sox | and every memory manufacturer too. |
| 05:38.12 | oc80z | yeah |
| 05:38.22 | oc80z | i even had a java webbrowser. |
| 05:38.36 | oc80z | i cant find it in any archives, |
| 05:38.46 | oc80z | (like, the whole thing was java.) |
| 05:39.14 | ka6sox | okay, now I'm sick...gotta go bust a server someplace....just to take out my frustrations. |
| 05:39.20 | oc80z | damn |
| 05:39.23 | oc80z | i found it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HotJava |
| 05:39.56 | oc80z | heh |
| 05:40.11 | oc80z | i hear ya |
| 05:40.39 | ka6sox | java was what replaced pascal as the OOP teaching language (Pascal ...another useless language) |
| 05:41.11 | oc80z | really? |
| 05:41.33 | rrix | pascal was at least native code |
| 05:41.36 | cat-xeger | (at the risk of seeming like I'm trolling... pascal is an excellent teaching language... gives you a sane grounding for later crap) |
| 05:41.49 | rrix | and wasn't a bloated disaster |
| 05:41.52 | ka6sox | cat-xeger, thats its only saving grace |
| 05:41.55 | cat-xeger | (trolling because I'm fried, and will follow that comment up after sleeping) |
| 05:42.02 | cat-xeger | It was meant as a teaching language |
| 05:42.08 | ka6sox | it was good as a teaching language |
| 05:42.13 | cat-xeger | ... unlike java |
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| 05:42.18 | cat-xeger | Anyhow :) |
| 05:42.19 | cat-xeger | g'night |
| 05:42.19 | ka6sox | but thats all all that java is good for too. |
| 05:42.28 | oc80z | hrm... |
| 05:42.47 | oc80z | its kept garbage-men employed for years. |
| 05:42.57 | oc80z | oh. |
| 05:43.22 | ka6sox | don't get me started on its Piss poor garbage collection habits |
| 05:43.26 | oc80z | hehe |
| 05:43.51 | oc80z | its better now i hear |
| 05:44.06 | oc80z | or may bethose ppl arnt programming anymore, for those reasons |
| 05:44.13 | ka6sox | Programmer:"I need more RAM for my JVM Please...." me: "what did you do with the last 2GB I gave you yesterday?" |
| 05:44.45 | ka6sox | <<BSAFH |
| 05:46.26 | oc80z | heh |
| 05:47.23 | ka6sox | a JVM is a black hole that will consume everything in its path and adjacent things to. |
| 05:47.51 | oc80z | found it |
| 05:47.54 | oc80z | http://d.hatena.ne.jp/ku-ma-me/20090916/p1?a |
| 05:48.33 | oc80z | on that note! |
| 05:48.38 | oc80z | out zzz |
| 05:48.50 | oc80z | thanks for the link summatusmentis |
| 05:49.11 | oc80z | l8r homey |
| 06:01.24 | rwhitby | ok, webosroundup has fixed the article |
| 06:03.05 | rrix | yay |
| 06:04.23 | rrix | nerd drama is so fun http://lunduke.com/?p=1764 |
| 06:33.54 | rwhitby | Looks like tap2share service has the following methods: |
| 06:34.45 | rwhitby | shareData shareDataWith shareFile shareFileWith handleLocal |
| 06:34.46 | rwhitby | Data handleTap acceptShareRequest rejectShareRequest tryAgain cancel bluetoothIsOffResponse |
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| 08:23.44 | DMeister-webOSIT | Hi |
| 08:24.15 | DMeister-webOSIT | how can I backup my sms on my PC? |
| 08:24.22 | DMeister-webOSIT | (webOS 2.1) |
| 08:24.24 | rwhitby | Save/Restore |
| 08:25.58 | DMeister-webOSIT | save/restore? under which application's name? |
| 08:26.46 | rwhitby | Messaging app |
| 08:27.04 | rwhitby | the name of the app you use to send and receive SMS |
| 08:27.34 | DMeister-webOSIT | I haven't this voice on my Save/Restore... |
| 08:27.59 | DMeister-webOSIT | example: Mazer-Mobile Hotspot-Music... |
| 08:30.07 | rwhitby | ah, you're right. it has a maximum version of 1.4.5 |
| 08:30.20 | rwhitby | in 2.x the messages are stored in db8 |
| 08:30.45 | rwhitby | you can use Impostah to find the relevant database, and then use com.palm.db SDK commands to extract the data |
| 08:31.26 | DMeister-webOSIT | ah ok... thanks lot :) |
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| 13:49.31 | pigsflew | I'm a bit confused by the wiki--Services post-2.0 are node.js as opposed to Java, correct? Is there any primer to how things ought to be laid out to create one? or an example service I can poke at? |
| 13:53.21 | pigsflew | nvm, i'm going to take a look at the services from git |
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| 13:59.04 | pigsflew | ... and they're all either java or c. Maybe I was mistaken. |
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| 14:14.40 | RavenII | Even though this phone is old, there's something about it that I just like... |
| 14:14.43 | RavenII | maybe the design? |
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| 14:16.49 | phoque_uni | pigsflew, https://developer.palm.com/content/api/dev-guide/js-services/creating-hello-world-service.html |
| 14:17.00 | phoque_uni | that's how you package services with your app |
| 14:17.13 | phoque_uni | and https://gist.github.com/1014188 is a simple service that reads and writes files on the device |
| 14:17.41 | summatusmentis | RavenII: I'm a big fan of the portrait slider/keyboard design |
| 14:24.03 | pigsflew | phoque_uni, Thank you! this is what i was looking for :) And i can just set it to not have a window and then it'll just be an installable service |
| 14:24.03 | pigsflew | great |
| 14:25.55 | phoque_uni | pigsflew, well... your service won't have a window, yes. but you must ship it with an app (wich always has an icon) |
| 14:26.05 | pigsflew | ah |
| 14:26.06 | phoque_uni | also you can't access services that aren't a subdomain of your app |
| 14:26.14 | pigsflew | hm |
| 14:26.32 | phoque_uni | so com.somebodyelse.appname can't access com.pigsflew.awesomeservice |
| 14:27.34 | pigsflew | Hm... ok, so the service is for backgrounding processes *for your app*, not for anything else |
| 14:28.06 | phoque_uni | yes |
| 14:28.24 | pigsflew | is there a way to break out of app sandbox for homebrew services? |
| 14:28.30 | phoque_uni | You could try naming your service com.palm.something |
| 14:28.50 | phoque_uni | com.palm.* can be accessed from anywhere |
| 14:28.58 | phoque_uni | or com.palm.service.* |
| 14:29.03 | RavenII | Question for you guys, how much of a difference is it between the Pre and the plus...then the 2? |
| 14:29.19 | phoque_uni | between Pre/Pre+ and Pre2? |
| 14:29.35 | phoque_uni | RavenII, do you mean hardware or software? |
| 14:29.36 | pigsflew | makes sense--the reason why I'm looking at this is to help out with the touchpad launcher mods |
| 14:29.51 | RavenII | well, I'm trying to decide if I should shoot for a Plus or a 2...or do i just stick with the regular pre... |
| 14:29.55 | RavenII | phoque_uni: hardware |
| 14:29.58 | pigsflew | so i wanted to create a service which would keep track of pages, managing them by GUIDs, allowing you to reorder them, etc |
| 14:30.00 | Loudergood | shoot for a 2 |
| 14:30.04 | RavenII | well...both actually |
| 14:30.09 | phoque_uni | RavenII, take the 2. it's a lot better |
| 14:30.35 | Loudergood | it's not just a faster cpu, the whole phone is much more solid |
| 14:31.24 | RavenII | Hard to find those on CL... |
| 14:31.33 | summatusmentis | indeed |
| 14:31.43 | RavenII | but I'll try...my buddy gave me his pre...all the screws fell out of it and it's pin locked... |
| 14:32.34 | Loudergood | as far as that pre goes, look into recovery mode, and metadoctor |
| 14:33.01 | RavenII | Yeah, he just wants his texts and to see if there's anything else that he needs... |
| 14:33.13 | RavenII | He told me to wipe it if I couldn't get into it. |
| 14:33.40 | phoque_uni | RavenII, did you steal a phone? |
| 14:33.41 | phoque_uni | :-D |
| 14:34.10 | RavenII | phoque_uni: you got me!... |
| 14:34.14 | RavenII | OH NOES!...haha |
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| 14:42.09 | phoque_uni | I don't get it |
| 14:42.25 | phoque_uni | can I do array.push(function() { bla bla });? |
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| 14:54.29 | pigsflew | phoque_uni, it seemes like you would be able to, chrome allows it |
| 14:54.35 | pigsflew | so the webkit js engine does it |
| 14:55.11 | pigsflew | just did arr.push(function() { alert('hello'); }); |
| 14:55.39 | pigsflew | haven't tried it on webos, but i don't see why it wouldn't work. Functions are objects after all |
| 14:57.08 | pigsflew | (i was then able to call it using "arr[0]();" ) |
| 14:58.50 | phoque_uni | yeah... I was too stupid |
| 14:58.59 | phoque_uni | .push(this.function()); doesn't work |
| 14:59.08 | phoque_uni | because it would push the returnvalue of this.function() |
| 14:59.13 | phoque_uni | I had to push this.function.bind(this) |
| 14:59.20 | phoque_uni | FINALLY |
| 14:59.30 | phoque_uni | that was such a huge headache |
| 15:05.09 | pigsflew | ahhh :) |
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| 15:56.37 | summatusmentis | hey oil, you around? |
| 15:58.40 | summatusmentis | PuffTheMagic: ping? |
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| 16:38.58 | RavenII | Anyone know where I can get screws from for the Pre?...so I could put it back together... |
| 16:41.08 | cryptk | what happened to the ones you took out of it |
| 16:45.34 | RavenII | cryptk: I got this from my buddy...who seemed to have lost all of the screws that hold the display to the slide mech.... |
| 16:45.40 | RavenII | EVER |
| 16:45.42 | RavenII | without ever taking it apart... |
| 16:45.59 | cryptk | if he didn't take it apart, those screws didn't come out on their own |
| 16:46.03 | cryptk | they all have locktite on them |
| 16:46.08 | cryptk | not much, but enough to do the job |
| 16:47.16 | cryptk | but unfortunately there isn't a 1-800-PALM-SCREW |
| 16:47.39 | RavenII | I know...but trust me...this guy isn't the type to take anything apart... |
| 16:47.45 | RavenII | it's werid hahaha |
| 16:47.50 | RavenII | weird too. |
| 16:52.31 | cryptk | RavenII, ebay |
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| 16:52.35 | cryptk | get an old broken phone |
| 16:52.43 | cryptk | take it's screws |
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| 17:16.38 | PatrickC | Lumberjack doesn't see my installed apps anymore |
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| 17:16.52 | cryptk | PatrickC, you talking about on the TP? |
| 17:16.59 | PatrickC | nope |
| 17:17.01 | PatrickC | pre2 |
| 17:17.42 | cryptk | lemme isntall it on my Pre2 and take a looksie |
| 17:18.09 | PatrickC | ok |
| 17:18.15 | PatrickC | it worked yesterday.. |
| 17:18.17 | PatrickC | but not today |
| 17:18.47 | cryptk | so when you launch lumber, none of your apps are listed in the what to look for selector? |
| 17:19.28 | PatrickC | yeah |
| 17:19.35 | PatrickC | I can give a screenshot if needed |
| 17:19.42 | cryptk | tried restarting lumber/luna/device? |
| 17:20.02 | PatrickC | device reboots nightly |
| 17:20.08 | PatrickC | I'll try lumber restart |
| 17:20.09 | cryptk | do it again |
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| 17:21.02 | PatrickC | lumber restart didn't work. once I get my app working correctly, I'll do a device restart |
| 17:30.10 | cxreg | what are the appinfo.json restrictions? |
| 17:30.18 | cxreg | (http://twitter.com/#!/webosinternals/status/88597903379144704) |
| 17:32.17 | PatrickC | halfhalo-tp found something that you add to the appinfo.json to make it tts compatible iirx |
| 17:32.19 | PatrickC | iirc* |
| 17:35.34 | cryptk | cxreg, beign able to send more than just text through TTS is for now a homebrew only thing |
| 17:35.40 | cryptk | that may change in the future |
| 17:36.08 | cxreg | cryptk: i read that, just trying to understand why an app catalog app could not add the same info |
| 17:36.24 | cxreg | does the catalog manage the appinfo file directly or something? |
| 17:36.26 | cryptk | cxreg, because then you have unrestricted sending of anything |
| 17:36.30 | cxreg | oh |
| 17:36.40 | cxreg | hm, ok |
| 17:42.51 | PuffTheMagic | summatusmentis: pong |
| 17:44.37 | summatusmentis | PuffTheMagic: d'you mind if I PM you? |
| 17:44.45 | PuffTheMagic | ok |
| 17:45.10 | PuffTheMagic | does not like where this is going |
| 17:45.11 | PuffTheMagic | ;) |
| 17:45.58 | cryptk | kinky |
| 17:46.05 | summatusmentis | haha |
| 17:46.05 | PatrickC | ohno |
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| 18:35.45 | infidel | can't seem to get SDL-Terminal to install on palm pre 2 and ideas? |
| 18:35.59 | summatusmentis | I can't get it to install on 2.1 pre- either |
| 18:36.27 | infidel | are their any other options? |
| 18:36.30 | Loudergood | the only advice I have is use xterm.. |
| 18:36.39 | infidel | kk |
| 18:37.11 | PatrickC | infidel: you can use XTerm or Terminus |
| 18:37.44 | infidel | I tried Terminus but it just hangs or is it trying to do something? |
| 18:37.59 | summatusmentis | you need to fix a file for terminus to work correctly |
| 18:38.05 | PatrickC | there's a fix for it |
| 18:38.22 | infidel | oh ok cool |
| 18:39.15 | dtzWill | hmm, is the jail fix not integrated into the package? |
| 18:39.20 | dtzWill | someone should fix that if so :) |
| 18:39.20 | summatusmentis | nope |
| 18:39.28 | dtzWill | (like was done for xterm) |
| 18:39.43 | summatusmentis | it adds a line to the jail file, but it's the wrong one |
| 18:40.50 | infidel | ok terminus is installed how do i patch it? |
| 18:41.08 | PatrickC | dtzWill: nope, its not integrated |
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| 18:42.10 | summatusmentis | infidel: looking for a link, gimme a sec |
| 18:42.19 | infidel | kk |
| 18:43.44 | PatrickC | thanks summatusmentis |
| 18:43.54 | PatrickC | sorry, I'm a little sidetracked trying to get this app working |
| 18:43.54 | summatusmentis | infidel: http://www.precentral.net/on-device-command-line-access-returns-webos-2-1 |
| 18:44.03 | infidel | thank you Sir |
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| 19:24.50 | Ron001 | The latest openssh seems to have broken my key file putty setup. I've rerun keygen and copied my old public keypair to the /home/root/.ssh/authorized_keys, but I'm still getting a Connection Refused error. Can anyone help? |
| 19:27.44 | cryptk | check for newlines in the authorized_keys file |
| 19:27.52 | cryptk | each key should be one long line |
| 19:30.35 | ka6sox | so 4 keys means 4 lines |
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| 19:31.45 | Ron001 | Did the format of the authorized_keys file change? I copied my old id_rsa.pub and to that file |
| 19:33.52 | Ron001 | it containes a single line of my public key |
| 19:34.04 | dtzWill | Ron001: check permissions on the file |
| 19:34.07 | dtzWill | and the .ssh directory. |
| 19:34.20 | dtzWill | 600 should do it |
| 19:35.14 | Ron001 | I'm in xterm and not quite that linux savvy. Would you be so kind as to give me the commands? |
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| 19:36.12 | dtzWill | Ron001: sure thing :) |
| 19:37.19 | dtzWill | chmod go-rwx .ssh -R |
| 19:38.05 | dtzWill | err, perhaps: chmod go-rwx /var/home/root/.ssh -R |
| 19:38.17 | dtzWill | (someone spot check that for me, i don't have access to my device atm) |
| 19:38.36 | Ron001 | I moved to the containing folder |
| 19:39.00 | Ron001 | authorized_keys is -rwxr_xr_x on ls -l |
| 19:40.29 | dtzWill | kk |
| 19:40.50 | dtzWill | Ron001: chmod go-rwx authorized_keys |
| 19:42.22 | Ron001 | I still get connection refused |
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| 19:43.39 | RavenII | What's the app that can help me pass this pin?... |
| 19:43.51 | RavenII | it was mentioned in here but I had closed this tab... |
| 19:45.05 | Ron001 | RavenII: the entire day's log is here: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/webos-internals.20101105.txt |
| 19:45.22 | RavenII | Nice! |
| 19:45.38 | Ron001 | wait, wrong date |
| 19:46.10 | RavenII | I corrected it... |
| 19:46.12 | RavenII | but it's not there. |
| 19:46.14 | RavenII | yet |
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| 19:46.23 | Ron001 | http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals/webos-internals.20110706.txt just changed the date |
| 19:47.13 | Ron001 | Seems they are in hourly batches |
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| 19:51.02 | RavenII | Yeah... |
| 19:54.05 | RavenII | Ron001: thanks..I just noticed the.......message that shows when you first enter...MOTD?...and I found the live log for today |
| 19:54.12 | RavenII | metadoctor is what i was looking for |
| 19:55.01 | cryptk | the IRC logs are rotated daily |
| 19:55.13 | cryptk | http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/webos-internals.txt |
| 19:55.15 | cryptk | that one is today |
| 19:55.17 | cryptk | and it is live |
| 19:55.27 | cryptk | up to the second, you just have to refresh |
| 20:00.11 | Ron001 | Anyone have other ideas on why my key isn't working with putty anymore? |
| 20:01.57 | cryptk | right IP address? |
| 20:02.00 | cryptk | right username? |
| 20:02.14 | cryptk | is the device connected to wifi? |
| 20:07.08 | dwc- | "connection refused" is not related to the key |
| 20:07.25 | dwc- | you might need to start the sshd |
| 20:07.32 | dwc- | ps auxw | grep sshd should tell you whether it's running |
| 20:07.36 | dtzWill | heh yeah, good call. sorry :( |
| 20:07.49 | dwc- | or status mobi.optware.openssh |
| 20:18.46 | RavenII | can dev mode be turned on at anytime?...or will this pin keep me from enabling it? |
| 20:19.57 | dwc- | what pin |
| 20:20.23 | summatusmentis | the pin on the pre that he got from his friend that doesn't have any screws in it |
| 20:21.03 | dwc- | the aliens came, left crop circles, and took all the screws? |
| 20:21.09 | RavenII | summatusmentis: nice memory...hahaha |
| 20:21.16 | RavenII | Dude, it's insane...I swear |
| 20:21.18 | summatusmentis | RavenII: I've been here all day :) |
| 20:21.23 | Ron001 | right IP, keyfile only prompts for PW, not username, yes on wifi - and I get a timeout error if I change the port, so the response is from the pre |
| 20:22.25 | Ron001 | how do you type | in xterm? |
| 20:24.46 | dwc- | shift . I think |
| 20:25.00 | dwc- | maybe sym or option |
| 20:28.48 | Ron001 | dwc-: wouldn't the fact that I can run the keygen tell me the service is running? |
| 20:28.58 | dwc- | no |
| 20:29.31 | dwc- | ssh-keygen is a standalone program |
| 20:29.44 | Ron001 | I get a not found error when I run the status command |
| 20:30.18 | Ron001 | what about removing and reinstalling openssh? |
| 20:30.39 | dwc- | what did the ps say |
| 20:30.44 | dwc- | is it running or not? |
| 20:31.05 | Ron001 | I can't find a key combo for | |
| 20:31.28 | dwc- | hold shift while you press . |
| 20:33.54 | Mousey | wish that was universal |
| 20:34.06 | Ron001 | thanks. I must have not held it down well. root 10829 0.0 0.2 2700 608 pts/0 S<+16:32 0:00 grep sshd |
| 20:34.20 | dwc- | ok, so it's not running |
| 20:34.32 | dwc- | try start mobi.optware.openssh |
| 20:34.58 | dwc- | Mousey: I actually wish it were reverse... shift . should have > |
| 20:35.04 | dwc- | sym . can have | |
| 20:35.21 | Mousey | which terminal prog? |
| 20:35.45 | Ron001 | xterm |
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| 20:36.07 | Mousey | nods knowingly |
| 20:36.27 | dwc- | the key bindings in terminus and terminal and sdlterminal are probably all different |
| 20:36.39 | Mousey | they are >_> |
| 20:36.58 | Ron001 | ok, seems to be running now. Went through several lines of waiting, starting, pre-starting, spawning, post-start, ans running |
| 20:37.00 | dtzWill | <_< |
| 20:37.24 | dwc- | well, see if you can log in. with any luck, that (or a reboot) was all that was needed |
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| 20:38.17 | Ron001 | couldn't log in - rebooting |
| 20:38.56 | dwc- | well, I was thinking more the reboot for having the service start, not as an additional possible fix, but hey, who knows |
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| 20:43.11 | RagingMind | does the konami code still work on the touchpad? |
| 20:44.02 | PatrickC | yes |
| 20:44.03 | dwc- | yes |
| 20:44.04 | PatrickC | iirc |
| 20:44.12 | dwc- | it definitely does. I punched it in at bestbuy |
| 20:44.59 | RagingMind | I'm still waiting for the local wally world to get the right cabinet so they can actually put up the TP display |
| 20:48.05 | Ron001 | dwc-: still connection refuse |
| 20:48.14 | Ron001 | d |
| 20:48.33 | dwc- | what does ps/status say |
| 20:48.35 | dwc- | is it running? |
| 20:50.53 | Ron001 | not found |
| 20:50.59 | Ron001 | wait |
| 20:51.40 | Ron001 | yes, not found. I cant type the day I cut my fingernails! |
| 20:58.44 | dwc- | so it doesn't look like your service is starting at boot |
| 20:58.54 | dwc- | can you manually restart it and get something other than "connection refused" ? |
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| 21:01.41 | Ron001 | sure, but I don't know how. What is the command? |
| 21:01.55 | dwc- | 13:34 < dwc-> ok, so it's not running |
| 21:01.55 | dwc- | 13:34 < dwc-> try start mobi.optware.openssh |
| 21:03.17 | Ron001 | done, but ps/status still says file not found |
| 21:03.38 | dwc- | not ps/status literally |
| 21:03.45 | dwc- | the ps | grep and the status mobi thing |
| 21:06.03 | Ron001 | they both report its running best I can tell |
| 21:06.09 | dwc- | so can you ssh in now? |
| 21:06.31 | Ron001 | no |
| 21:06.41 | dwc- | what's the message |
| 21:06.46 | Ron001 | mobi.optware.openssh (stop) waiting was one result |
| 21:06.59 | Ron001 | the other was the same as before when you said it was running |
| 21:07.26 | dwc- | ok, you have putty you said, right? |
| 21:07.41 | dwc- | keep the host name the same |
| 21:07.46 | Ron001 | yes |
| 21:07.59 | dwc- | what happens when you ssh in |
| 21:08.31 | dwc- | what's the message from putty |
| 21:09.08 | Ron001 | popup (not in terminal window) PuTTY Fatal Error Network Error: Connection Refused |
| 21:09.49 | dwc- | what does "status mobi.optware.openssh" return |
| 21:09.51 | dwc- | something like |
| 21:09.55 | dwc- | mobi.optware.openssh (start) running, process 4370 |
| 21:09.57 | dwc- | ? |
| 21:11.41 | Ron001 | status mobi.optware.openssh" returns (01928/79635327) mobi.optware.openssh (stop) waiting |
| 21:12.16 | dwc- | ok, so it's not running |
| 21:12.54 | Ron001 | ok, sorry. |
| 21:13.29 | dwc- | cd over to /var/log and grep ssh messages |
| 21:13.36 | dwc- | or, actually |
| 21:14.26 | dwc- | try /opt/sbin/sshd -D |
| 21:14.56 | Ron001 | I did the first, but I'm not sure what to look for |
| 21:15.19 | Ron001 | there is something about respawning too fast, stopped |
| 21:15.53 | dwc- | ok, so somewhere in there should be something that says why it's not starting |
| 21:16.08 | dwc- | or you can try the sshd -D thing and it hopefully will just tell you |
| 21:16.33 | Ron001 | privateKey mismatch |
| 21:17.21 | Ron001 | unknown EVP_PKEY save type 113 |
| 21:17.57 | Ron001 | could not load host key: /opt/etc/openssh/ssh_host_rsa_key |
| 21:18.13 | dwc- | hm, this sounds awfully familiar |
| 21:18.19 | Ron001 | am I not able to use the keys I generated before the update? |
| 21:18.47 | dwc- | you installed this from rpeware? |
| 21:18.49 | dwc- | preware |
| 21:18.53 | Ron001 | in the past, I always just moved my public key into the authorized_keys file |
| 21:18.55 | Ron001 | yes |
| 21:19.07 | dwc- | nah, it's not your public/private keypair in the authorized_keys file |
| 21:19.21 | dwc- | what version of sshd are you showing in preware |
| 21:19.42 | cryptk | it's talking about the server keys |
| 21:20.07 | cryptk | remove and reinstall OpenSSH |
| 21:20.12 | cryptk | that /should/ fix it |
| 21:20.14 | Ron001 | 5.3.1-9 |
| 21:21.07 | dwc- | hm, I had 5.3.1-5 when I had this problem |
| 21:22.18 | Ron001 | reinstalled, but cant login - do I have to copy my key over again? |
| 21:23.44 | cryptk | possibly |
| 21:23.55 | cryptk | not sure if it removed authorized_keys on a reinstall |
| 21:24.03 | dwc- | shouldn't |
| 21:24.13 | cryptk | oh, remove it, then rm -rf /opt/etc/openssh |
| 21:24.15 | cryptk | then reinstall |
| 21:24.31 | cryptk | that should cause it to regenerate the server keys on install |
| 21:24.37 | cryptk | it likely didn't regenerate them |
| 21:25.14 | Ron001 | ok...working... |
| 21:25.22 | Ron001 | on it, that is... |
| 21:26.21 | Ron001 | I have to spay a cat. I'll report back in about 15 mins |
| 21:26.52 | ka6sox | wtmi |
| 21:27.04 | dwc- | that is perhaps one of the oddest "brb" reasons I've heard |
| 21:34.42 | RavenII | Ok, I'm shooting for a plus...Pre 2 is too rich for my blood... |
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| 21:49.41 | Ron001 | dwc-: reinstalling now |
| 21:53.14 | Ron001 | dwc-: do I have to run /opt/bin/ssh-keygen? |
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| 21:53.34 | dwc- | you might, if there are no keys in /opt/etc/openssh |
| 21:53.37 | Ron001 | I don't think the /opt/bin/.ssh directory exists |
| 21:54.09 | dwc- | no, /opt/etc/openssh |
| 21:54.22 | dwc- | that's where the keys the ssh daemon uses |
| 21:54.36 | dwc- | the user keys are in (their home directory)/.ssh |
| 21:55.31 | Ron001 | ls /opt/etc/openssh has moduli ssh_config sshd_donfig - no keys |
| 21:55.38 | RavenII | Ok, so, incase anyone asks...you can't put the device into devmode if it's pin locked... |
| 21:57.28 | Ron001 | ssh-keygen indicates there are already keys in /home/root/.ssh |
| 21:57.40 | dwc- | the system daemon doesn't use the keys in /home/root/.ssh |
| 21:57.52 | dwc- | those are the root user's keys |
| 21:58.48 | Ron001 | right, and if I were starting from scratch, I'd copy the private key and convert it for putty, but I have keys already and the private key is configured in putty. |
| 21:59.00 | Ron001 | So I want to use my existing public key |
| 22:04.25 | dwc- | you need the system keys in /opt/etc/openssh |
| 22:05.46 | Ron001 | hmm, they are in /home/root/.ssh |
| 22:06.01 | Ron001 | not in /opt/etc/openssh |
| 22:06.07 | dwc- | run /opt/lib/ipkg/info/openssh.postinst |
| 22:06.14 | Ron001 | I can move them, but shouldn't they have been created there? |
| 22:06.21 | dwc- | no |
| 22:07.12 | dwc- | unless you tell ssh-keygen to create them somewhere else, it creates them in the user's homedir, for their use in connecting elsewhere |
| 22:08.48 | Ron001 | -sh: /opt/lib/ipkg/info/openssh.postinst: not found |
| 22:09.08 | dwc- | huh. where'd your package stick that. |
| 22:09.43 | Ron001 | that was rhetorical, right? |
| 22:11.54 | Ron001 | dwc-: can I PM you my email if you have any other thoughts, my wife is wondering why I have not left work? |
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| 22:14.38 | rwhitby | pigsflew: look at the Hello! app in git |
| 22:15.54 | rwhitby | cxreg: the things you need to add to appinfo.json are not permitted in the app catalog |
| 22:17.40 | rwhitby | Ron001: uninstall all optware apps, reboot, then reinstall. you've hit the 1.4.5 cryptofs bug |
| 22:18.02 | rwhitby | your keys will be preserved |
| 22:18.36 | cxreg | rwhitby: so it's a policy thing, a security thing, or both |
| 22:18.37 | cxreg | ? |
| 22:19.07 | rwhitby | policy - no mimeType stuff allowed in app catalog |
| 22:19.25 | cxreg | oh, ok |
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| 22:43.12 | RavenII | YES!...he finally rememebered his code... |
| 22:43.26 | RavenII | (which he told me yesterday but I tried after trying too many times....) |
| 22:46.29 | RavenII | Quick question...as far as software mods go...is there ever a time that you CAN'T undo everything back to stock? |
| 22:46.52 | scoutcamper | RavenII, On what device? |
| 22:47.34 | rwhitby | RavenII: if you install everything via Preware, you can get back to stock, as long as you only ever have one theme loaded |
| 22:47.45 | RavenII | Palm pre |
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| 22:48.38 | scoutcamper | RavenII, you can always webos doctor on all devices except veer, veer is destructible |
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| 22:48.53 | RavenII | scoutcamper: that's what I was wondering |
| 22:49.28 | RavenII | and if I do use that webos doctor...is it possible to.....I don't want to use the word jailbreak or root...but I don't know what you webOSers call it... |
| 22:49.42 | Loudergood | lol |
| 22:49.53 | Loudergood | developer mode |
| 22:49.58 | RavenII | Right...that. Devmode. |
| 22:50.01 | Loudergood | so easy to do |
| 22:50.12 | scoutcamper | RavenII, webos doctor iss just a factory reset |
| 22:50.12 | RavenII | it is possible to devmode it regardless as to what sw is on it?... |
| 22:50.20 | scoutcamper | yep |
| 22:50.32 | RavenII | I know with my Evo, I can't root it right now because it's got the latest bootloader and latest rom... |
| 22:50.45 | RavenII | which is why I'm switching to the Pre...I'm sick of going back and fourth... |
| 22:51.04 | Loudergood | upupdowndownleftrightleftrightbastart |
| 22:51.15 | scoutcamper | RavenII, Palm loves homebrew |
| 22:51.53 | RavenII | Nice. |
| 22:51.54 | Loudergood | or webos20090606 if you're lazy |
| 22:52.08 | scoutcamper | RavenII, http://www.precentral.net/hp-donates-server-homebrew-webos-internals-group |
| 22:52.15 | Loudergood | it's a built in feature, rather than a hack |
| 22:53.02 | rwhitby | When I architected how homebrew works on webOS, I made sure it used the same mechanisms as the official SDK. So it will always work. |
| 22:53.05 | RavenII | Nice |
| 22:54.02 | RavenII | rwhitby: wait...what do you mean?...(sorry for my ignorance) |
| 22:54.03 | rwhitby | Imagine a single iOS jailbreak or Android custom ROM where the same package works on every single device ever released with any version of the operating system. That's webOS homebrew. |
| 22:54.20 | RavenII | I'm more of a esn/get evdo working kinda guy |
| 22:54.29 | rwhitby | RavenII: Preware is installed using the official SDK tools from HP/Palm. |
| 22:54.41 | RavenII | Oh wow...that's pretty cool... |
| 22:54.48 | RavenII | yeah, this whole cat and mouse bullshit is getting old... |
| 22:54.49 | rwhitby | It uses the same installation mechanism as developers use when testing new applications for the app catalog. |
| 22:55.43 | RavenII | DAMN!...Hp really did that?... |
| 22:56.01 | RavenII | they just earned a new level of respect...they know how to gain people.... |
| 22:56.14 | RavenII | (referring to the server thing) |
| 22:57.47 | RavenII | Alright, off I go... |
| 23:00.35 | RavenII | thanks for all the help and info guys. |
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| 23:02.40 | bhuey | are folks here experimenting with the bfq IO scheduler btw ? |
| 23:03.06 | ka6sox | bhuey, for which device? |
| 23:03.12 | bhuey | any device |
| 23:03.20 | bhuey | what were your results btw ? |
| 23:03.31 | ka6sox | I didn't say I was.... |
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| 23:03.55 | bhuey | if you hear of somebody doing that kind of work, please tell me how it goes |
| 23:05.17 | ka6sox | when we see you :D |
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| 23:09.26 | bhuey | that'll be a while |
| 23:09.44 | bhuey | if you folks want to test that stuff out and report back, I can do something about future kernels |
| 23:10.00 | bhuey | otherwise I'm at the command of my manager and stuff :) |
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| 23:59.12 | wsc4049 | i would like to test linphone in my palm pixi plus v1.4.5.1. where can I get it? |
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