| 00:01.33 | Lumiere | rwhitby: I assume you could write a synergy plugin for it though? |
| 00:05.50 | shep1234 | not sure i am. if you look at the screenshots (provided they are real) you see an entry reading "domestic calls" and another reading "international calls" and it gives you the option of using o2-de or Skype. However below this is an option to choose the account which currently reads Skype. It is my assertion that these screenshots purport to a plugin architecture that allows VoiP plugins be they Skype or SIP or any other protocol. I |
| 00:05.50 | shep1234 | hope so because that is really clever!!!! |
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| 00:06.43 | rwhitby | Lumiere: no |
| 00:07.17 | rwhitby | shep1234: it is a hard-coded architecture which allows for cellular operator or skype and nothing else |
| 00:07.28 | rwhitby | it is not a voip plugin architecture |
| 00:07.38 | rwhitby | you can look at the code in the TouchPad public doctor |
| 00:08.01 | rwhitby | in particular, there is zero support for SIP, and no way to add that support. |
| 00:08.35 | etx` | that's a bummer. I was thinking the same thing but hadn't rooted through the dr yet |
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| 00:13.18 | shep1234 | why have an "account" option in the screenshots that are published? If it was skype or cellular provider only then that option would be redundant and all you would need is the option in the domestic/international call drop downs - the account option is not needed. I don't have the TP doctor, nor do I know if this is definitive. I hope it is not. We all know 80% of international calls are now via VoiP. It makes sense HP know this and |
| 00:13.18 | shep1234 | will cater to it. Hope springs eternal!! |
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| 00:35.39 | jhoweb | i need people to test out http://opensearch.webos-internals.org/ |
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| 00:38.22 | PatrickC | s/worked/worked for me |
| 00:38.23 | etx` | ill check it out after I flash my touchpad back to stock |
| 00:42.11 | keith | what did your touchpad have it on that wasnt stock? |
| 00:42.34 | etx` | something else :) |
| 00:42.46 | keith | ... really? |
| 00:42.51 | keith | youre going to talk about it, but not what it is? |
| 00:42.57 | keith | thats not very opensource/internals/homebrew of you. |
| 00:43.11 | etx` | nda :( |
| 00:43.13 | PatrickC | lol |
| 00:43.18 | PatrickC | etx`: ah |
| 00:43.24 | PatrickC | I would do that.. if I had a tp |
| 00:43.27 | etx` | microsoft won't let me talk about it |
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| 00:43.33 | etx` | jk jk :D |
| 00:43.43 | PatrickC | microsoft?! who ares about them?? haha |
| 00:43.52 | keith | then stfu |
| 00:44.01 | keith | your nda probably prohibits you to stay as much as you have :) |
| 00:44.03 | keith | er say |
| 00:44.17 | etx` | narp |
| 00:44.52 | rwhitby | wonders whether shep1234 realises that you can have more than one Skype account. |
| 00:46.34 | etx` | i have 3 VMs running right now, win7 webos3 and Ubuntu. Probably not good |
| 00:46.45 | PatrickC | lol |
| 00:47.57 | infidel | is there a way to map the button on the wired headset to activate voice dialing? |
| 00:48.07 | rwhitby | keith: it's public knowledge that there are early access programs for webOS in existence |
| 00:48.53 | keith | yea i'm just bitter im not one. :) |
| 00:49.10 | rwhitby | keith: have you applied? |
| 00:49.19 | etx` | it's just like knowing the US government lies to us :) |
| 00:49.20 | keith | i did ages ago |
| 00:49.35 | rwhitby | Then you should vent to pdc@palm.com, not to other developers in there. |
| 00:49.35 | etx` | they've clamped down a bit it seems |
| 00:49.42 | rwhitby | s/there/here/ |
| 00:49.48 | keith | i was in the original one, but not the one that gives you access to anything cool like pre-released builds |
| 00:50.15 | keith | i've seen enough betas of webos that I doubt I'd want to run one on a production device day to day anyways |
| 00:50.25 | etx` | how do i put the TP into recovery mode again? turn on with the volume up pressed? The dr isn't finding it |
| 00:51.00 | rwhitby | etx`: yeah, vol-up+power |
| 00:51.09 | etx` | rwhitby: thanks |
| 00:51.48 | PatrickC | rwhitby: is the tp brickable? |
| 00:52.03 | etx` | good fun watching a dr run on one screen and the widk build on the other |
| 00:52.10 | etx` | like paint drying.. |
| 00:53.30 | etx` | i don't see why people complain about the unity interface in the new ubuntu, it's nice |
| 00:53.50 | PatrickC | I like unity |
| 00:53.57 | PatrickC | reminds me kinda of osx |
| 00:53.58 | ka6sox | PatrickC, I wouldn't put it past you. |
| 00:53.59 | etx` | rwhitby: sb2 isn't a chroot right? |
| 00:54.07 | PatrickC | thanks ka6sox |
| 00:54.12 | rwhitby | etx`: it runs stuff in qemu |
| 00:54.19 | etx` | PatrickC: woah buddy i wouldn't go that far ;) |
| 00:54.28 | rwhitby | PatrickC: does god exist? |
| 00:54.36 | PatrickC | rwhitby: yes.. |
| 00:54.55 | PatrickC | but the original pre series weren't so I didn't know if the tp was |
| 00:55.02 | PatrickC | etx`: I said kinda ;) |
| 00:55.03 | rwhitby | cause we have the same level of empirical evidence for whether the touchpad is brickable |
| 00:55.14 | etx` | rwhitby: once setup, how would I build and install a lib from source? I don't want it to write to my system |
| 00:55.22 | etx` | lol!! |
| 00:55.57 | rwhitby | etx`: don't run as root for a start |
| 00:56.03 | etx` | k |
| 00:56.21 | rwhitby | etx`: and inside qemu is effectively a chroot |
| 00:56.22 | etx` | i never do ;) |
| 00:56.37 | etx` | ok cool, i was hoping that is the case |
| 00:56.38 | rwhitby | then there is no danger of it overwriting your system libs, right? |
| 00:56.46 | etx` | yeah |
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| 00:57.17 | etx` | So once fire up sb2 i can do a configure; make; make install and it installs to the prefix? |
| 00:58.05 | infidel | anyone have an idea? |
| 00:58.46 | rwhitby | etx`: yes, ends up in the staging area |
| 00:59.01 | etx` | shep has an idea for you mate |
| 00:59.15 | infidel | awesome |
| 00:59.22 | etx` | rwhitby: cool thanks, i'll stop bugging you now :) |
| 00:59.42 | etx` | trying my hardest to get a rdp client working |
| 01:00.00 | rwhitby | running on X or native SDL ? |
| 01:00.02 | infidel | ssh? |
| 01:00.06 | etx` | SDL |
| 01:00.11 | etx` | X would be e-z mode |
| 01:00.43 | rwhitby | etx`: homebrew or appcat? |
| 01:01.15 | etx` | ehhh, well, I was thinking hb at least for now so i don't have to deal with building a bunch of static libs |
| 01:01.34 | etx` | it'd be nice to hit the appcat, i feel like I need to contribute |
| 01:01.44 | infidel | etx`, ausie or english? |
| 01:01.56 | etx` | detroited ;) |
| 01:02.04 | etx` | detroiter i mean |
| 01:02.34 | infidel | they say mate in detroit now? |
| 01:02.45 | etx` | yep |
| 01:02.46 | etx` | heh |
| 01:02.51 | infidel | ;) |
| 01:03.23 | etx` | I can't get over how awesome the kb is in 3 |
| 01:06.06 | infidel | does it have hands free voice dialing? |
| 01:06.38 | etx` | no |
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| 01:14.53 | infidel | wow i just discovered it does work on the pre 2 |
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| 01:15.14 | infidel | just have to hold down the button for a little while |
| 01:15.16 | etx` | voice dialing? |
| 01:15.17 | PatrickC | what works on the pre2 |
| 01:15.30 | etx` | it works, i never use it |
| 01:16.25 | infidel | good for motorcycles |
| 01:16.45 | etx` | yeah |
| 01:16.51 | etx` | do you have a bluetooth helmet?? |
| 01:16.56 | etx` | I wanted one heh |
| 01:17.00 | etx` | too expensive for me |
| 01:17.17 | etx` | and i wanted flat black to match my buell :) |
| 01:17.23 | infidel | me too |
| 01:17.36 | infidel | but this little wire will work well |
| 01:17.49 | etx` | nice |
| 01:17.55 | etx` | ohh that reminds me |
| 01:18.10 | etx` | i wanted to try the earbuds with the mic on the tp |
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| 01:20.40 | etx` | yay amazon shipped my touchstone |
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| 01:49.13 | Epyon22 | how do i bypass the palm profile activation on a phone with no network connection |
| 01:49.37 | rwhitby | Epyon22: which phone, which OS version? |
| 01:49.58 | Epyon22 | sprint pre- with 2.1 |
| 01:50.10 | rwhitby | Type ##DEVMODE# |
| 01:50.51 | Epyon22 | sweet thx very much |
| 01:51.00 | Epyon22 | playing around with 2.1 on my sis's old pre |
| 01:51.04 | Epyon22 | :-D |
| 01:51.25 | rwhitby | don't expect too much on a pre- due to the limited memory |
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| 01:52.04 | RavenIII | dude, it takes forEVER for this stuff to install on a mac |
| 01:52.14 | Epyon22 | i figured. im probally just gonna use it for a mp3 player but i wanted to check it out on a phone rather than the emulator |
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| 01:59.35 | PatrickC | wishes Lumberjack worked for him :'( |
| 02:02.14 | Epyon22 | PatrickC: ive got 2.1 on a pre- now |
| 02:02.23 | PatrickC | YEAH! |
| 02:02.30 | Epyon22 | but still cant get past the palm profile activation |
| 02:02.47 | PatrickC | really.. that stinks |
| 02:02.55 | PatrickC | everyday device? like activated? |
| 02:03.24 | Epyon22 | its one without a cell connection |
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| 02:03.39 | Epyon22 | i cant get past the palm profile |
| 02:03.54 | PatrickC | is it *suppose to be* an activated phone? |
| 02:04.08 | Epyon22 | no my sis just got a new phone |
| 02:04.44 | PatrickC | ok. then type ##DEVMODE# into the dialpad |
| 02:04.54 | Epyon22 | yeah did that |
| 02:05.01 | Epyon22 | do i just restart it now? |
| 02:05.46 | SineOt | Epyon22: what carrier was it originally on |
| 02:05.56 | Epyon22 | sprint |
| 02:06.23 | rwhitby | Epyon22: ignore all questions about carriers and cellular activation - it is irrelevant to your situation |
| 02:06.37 | rwhitby | Epyon22: describe exactly what you did from phone power-on |
| 02:07.10 | Epyon22 | just did emergency call and ##devloper# |
| 02:07.24 | Epyon22 | well after i accepted the language and terms |
| 02:07.26 | rwhitby | what exact keys did you hit |
| 02:07.38 | rwhitby | be precise if you want assistance |
| 02:08.04 | Epyon22 | umm |
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| 02:08.36 | bhuey | btw saverestore doesn't do back gesture |
| 02:08.50 | rwhitby | bhuey: which version, which scene? |
| 02:08.56 | bhuey | that needs to be changed otherwise you can't get back to the top menu after you dig into it |
| 02:08.59 | bhuey | topaz |
| 02:09.10 | bhuey | any scene that I've tried |
| 02:09.12 | rwhitby | which version of saverestore |
| 02:09.23 | Epyon22 | english then accept then when it asked to login to existing or create new account i hit emergency dial, did ##developer# on the keypad and a devleoper mode screen is up with the switch on the top |
| 02:09.23 | rwhitby | wonders why people are being so obtuse today ... |
| 02:09.26 | bhuey | what ever is the one I just downloaded |
| 02:09.42 | rwhitby | bhuey: seriously, that is your answer? |
| 02:09.44 | bhuey | presuming that it's the latest one |
| 02:09.52 | bhuey | well looking |
| 02:09.54 | rwhitby | bhuey: seriously, that is your follow-up answer? |
| 02:10.04 | bhuey | yes ;) |
| 02:10.25 | bhuey | 1.4.6 |
| 02:10.31 | rwhitby | Epyon22: if you typed "##developer# on the keypad, then you are not following instructions very well. if you did not, then you are also not following instructions very well. |
| 02:10.32 | bhuey | on the tablet |
| 02:11.14 | Epyon22 | rwhitby: sorry i meant the dialpad |
| 02:12.23 | rwhitby | bhuey: tap the text in the header. seems we haven't put a button on that one |
| 02:12.46 | bhuey | when is that going to come btw ? |
| 02:12.49 | rwhitby | Epyon22: go back again, and read what I typed. then read what you typed. they are not the same. |
| 02:13.14 | SineOt | Epyon22: ##devmode# isn't ##developer# last I checked |
| 02:13.14 | rwhitby | bhuey: looks like all the back functionality is there, just by tapping the header instead of a special button |
| 02:13.27 | bhuey | ok |
| 02:14.16 | rwhitby | bhuey: I'll put it on the list for this weekend. |
| 02:14.31 | cryptk | ok, I have lxde running on the TP, time to go to work |
| 02:14.36 | cryptk | (in a chroot though) |
| 02:14.49 | Epyon22 | rwhitby: sorry yes i typed in ##DEVMODE#, im not purposfully trying to be obtuse and i thank you for your help |
| 02:14.53 | halfhalo | cryptk: terminals kill lxde |
| 02:15.05 | bhuey | rwhitby: it's kind of obtuse to know that you have to tap the text to get back |
| 02:15.08 | bhuey | :) |
| 02:15.10 | rwhitby | Epyon22: did you then hit the green dial button |
| 02:15.15 | rwhitby | bhuey: indeed it is. |
| 02:15.40 | bhuey | I was hoping to use it to do a mass install and removal of a bunch of applications |
| 02:15.46 | bhuey | haven't figured out how to do that yet |
| 02:15.59 | Epyon22 | rwhitby: yep and a developer mode screen came up |
| 02:16.06 | rwhitby | Epyon22: and ... |
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| 02:16.41 | rwhitby | feels like he's trying to get blood out of a stone here .. |
| 02:17.05 | Epyon22 | rwhitby: thats it i cant do anything but move the switch to off and it tells me to restart |
| 02:17.11 | SineOt | Throw a stone hard enough at someone, and you'll get plenty of blood out of it. |
| 02:17.23 | rwhitby | Epyon22: do that, then repeat and turn the switch on. |
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| 02:23.51 | Epyon22 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:29.09 | rwhitby | Epyon22: np |
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| 02:56.47 | RavenIII | are you supposed to edit a makefile?...or rather...should...you edit a makefile for meta doctor |
| 02:57.48 | RavenIII | rwhitby: thank you btw... |
| 02:58.51 | rwhitby | RavenIII: depends what you want to do. Most things can be specified on the command line. |
| 02:59.14 | RavenIII | gotcha...I'm not THAT good with the cmd |
| 02:59.38 | rwhitby | you'll need to learn if you want to use meta-doctor |
| 03:00.29 | RavenIII | That came out wrong...I'm not a total newbie...but I'm not as advanced as any of you guys... |
| 03:01.14 | RavenIII | Damn it man...this thing isn't charging... |
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| 03:19.26 | RavenIII | Do I want to change my partitions? |
| 03:19.41 | RavenIII | Var Swap and....ext3? |
| 03:21.19 | rwhitby | I say max them out to 64GB each. |
| 03:21.57 | RavenIII | ok |
| 03:23.21 | summatusmentis | wait, what are you maxing out? |
| 03:23.58 | RavenIII | the var, swap, and ext3fs |
| 03:24.01 | RavenIII | in the make file |
| 03:24.06 | RavenIII | I put them to 64GB |
| 03:24.58 | summatusmentis | oh, I don't know that much about the meta-doctor makefile, that number just surprised me, which is why I ask |
| 03:25.23 | RavenIII | Hey, if rwhitby says 64GB...64GB it is... |
| 03:25.43 | summatusmentis | right, I agree |
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| 03:26.20 | JetUni | is there any way to access my pre from recovery mode?? |
| 03:26.59 | rwhitby | RavenIII: you have a device with 256GB of flash I presume? |
| 03:27.14 | rwhitby | JetUni: yes, using novacom. |
| 03:27.15 | RavenIII | rwhitby: I'm kidding... |
| 03:27.27 | rwhitby | is working on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OmaDm |
| 03:27.46 | JetUni | what's the syntax?? |
| 03:28.12 | JetUni | i tried reading the wiki about novaterm, but that didn't help |
| 03:28.20 | JetUni | I'm on Linux |
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| 03:29.56 | rwhitby | JetUni: in recovery mode you are talking directly to bootie |
| 03:31.43 | summatusmentis | rwhitby: why are you looking into OmaDm? curiosity? or do you have a plan? |
| 03:32.50 | JetUni | So how do I use bootie? And what would be the syntax to list my file system? |
| 03:33.14 | rwhitby | JetUni: read the 'backup' target in the meta-doctor Makefile |
| 03:34.17 | rwhitby | summatusmentis: the pursuit of basic knowledge never needs an explanation |
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| 03:35.16 | SineOt | rwhitby: yeah it does. preferably why riding a motorcycle, putting on sunglasses, and saying "why not" |
| 03:36.22 | summatusmentis | rwhitby: heh, fair enough |
| 03:36.31 | summatusmentis | that should be my tagline in grad school |
| 03:36.38 | summatusmentis | or something |
| 03:36.54 | halfhalo | my tagline is "how hard could it be?" |
| 03:37.31 | ka6sox | A: Very Very |
| 03:37.42 | summatusmentis | I tried that one in HS, it ended in me explaining to my english teacher why I didn't have the paper we'd been working on for weeks because I was tinkering with partitioning my HD, and lost all my data |
| 03:39.07 | Epyon22 | halfhalo: if you watch top gear extremely hard |
| 03:39.21 | halfhalo | may be watching top gear right now |
| 03:40.12 | Epyon22 | nice |
| 03:40.34 | Epyon22 | halfhalo: 17x2? |
| 03:42.07 | halfhalo | notes TG is way off topic. (but no) |
| 03:42.38 | JetUni | rwhitby: so how do I list the filesystem? |
| 03:43.00 | ka6sox | cat /proc/filesystems |
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| 03:44.10 | JetUni | I checked the Makefile for 'backup' and it didn't really help me...I'm not the best at this stuff... |
| 03:46.25 | RagingMind | JetUni, there's a thing you can do with bootie called memboot, but the basic stuff you would use that for like backing up your media partition is already scripted in metadoc |
| 03:46.32 | rwhitby | JetUni: what did you learn from the 'backup' target? |
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| 03:59.48 | cat-xeger | does anybody else w/ a pre2 find that theirs reboots a lot? |
| 04:00.08 | cat-xeger | (we're talking easily a half-dozen or more times a day, all on its lonesome) |
| 04:01.09 | rwhitby | nope |
| 04:01.20 | rwhitby | more like weeks between reboots |
| 04:01.39 | cat-xeger | Hm. |
| 04:01.51 | JetUni | well pretty much i did a search of 'backup' and found a bunch of commands that I sort of recognized, but none that looked like a list command |
| 04:02.06 | cat-xeger | It's driving me batty -- I can't even use it as an alarm clock, because there's no guarantee that it'll keep sane long enough |
| 04:04.32 | RagingMind | cat-xeger, if you've already tried doctoring the next question is if it's still under warranty |
| 04:05.46 | cat-xeger | I haven't tried doctoring it yet ... originally thought iw was a battery problem |
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| 04:11.49 | JetUni | rwhitby: so do you think you could just type out the syntax to display the file system? |
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| 04:14.52 | rwhitby | JetUni: sorry no, I don't give dangerous commands like that to folks unless they are prepared to understand how to use them and what they do. |
| 04:15.06 | cat-xeger | Heh. |
| 04:15.44 | rwhitby | JetUni: bootie, memboot, meta-doctor and that backup target contain all the information you need. |
| 04:17.36 | rwhitby | JetUni: you will also need to know about LVM partitions |
| 04:18.31 | cat-xeger | passes rwhitby the box of shotgun shells |
| 04:19.32 | rwhitby | cat-xeger: the meta-doctor backup target actually makes it quite safe - it mounts things read-only etc. |
| 04:20.04 | rwhitby | unfortunately, no-one I have shown how to use the meta-doctor backup target has yet taken it upon themselves to document it. |
| 04:20.05 | cat-xeger | Heh. I haven't had a chance to play with it yet, but between the chroots and ro fsen... |
| 04:22.26 | appsotutely | rwhitby: I've got a patch for the Preware screenshots scene: http://pastebin.com/FZnXH8v2 |
| 04:22.27 | rwhitby | anyone here with an activated CDMA device who knows how to look in /var/lib/software/DmTree.xml ? |
| 04:23.43 | rwhitby | oil: ^^ preware patch looks good? |
| 04:23.51 | rwhitby | appsotutely: looks good to me |
| 04:24.47 | summatusmentis | rwhitby: what am I looking for? |
| 04:25.28 | summatusmentis | oh, wait, define "knows how" |
| 04:25.32 | rwhitby | summatusmentis: near the end of the file, there will be an XML node called CDMA. Does it have valid contents that are relevant to your device and account? |
| 04:25.35 | summatusmentis | internalz isn't showing that this file exists |
| 04:26.10 | summatusmentis | checks novaterm |
| 04:26.13 | dwc- | cat-xeger: is it a full reboot or a luna restart? and if it reboots, why doesn't your alarm work? |
| 04:27.00 | summatusmentis | yeh, rwhitby, unless I need to do something special, that file isn't there on my sprint pre- running 2.1 |
| 04:27.46 | cat-xeger | dwc- Not sure. Everything stops, and I get to wait through 1-2 minutes (sometimes repeated cycles of) the hp logo reappearing after things go blank |
| 04:28.06 | cat-xeger | My assumption is that the alarm goes away because the crash wipes out some setting |
| 04:28.17 | dwc- | from a terminal, you can run uptime and if it was just luna, the counter will not be reset |
| 04:28.17 | appsotutely | rwhitby: alright good |
| 04:29.03 | cat-xeger | It's probably just a luna restart then -- I'm seeing an uptime of 3 days |
| 04:29.07 | dwc- | (or look at last reboot) |
| 04:29.15 | cat-xeger | (wondering if it's normal for the load average to be over 2) |
| 04:29.22 | dwc- | oh, nevermind, the pre doesn't log reboots in wtmp |
| 04:29.30 | cat-xeger | Nope. |
| 04:29.36 | cat-xeger | ... just checked |
| 04:29.47 | dwc- | did too |
| 04:30.57 | cat-xeger | The restarts seem to be associated with state changes most often -- and I do see plenty of complaints about things like trying to reattach to non-existent apps |
| 04:31.00 | cat-xeger | (summarizing) |
| 04:32.14 | appsotutely | rwhitby: as long as I'm here, what are you looking for in the CDMA node (of DmTree.xml)? |
| 04:33.12 | JetUni | rwhitby: I'm pretty sure I understand what could happen...I already messed up my pre and am trying to fix it now. So how do I copy a file to the /bin directory?? |
| 04:33.35 | dwc- | cp file /bin? |
| 04:34.02 | cat-xeger | JetUni - have you considered that you may just be making things wores? |
| 04:34.13 | rwhitby | JetUni: recovery mode ; make memload mount ; novacom put .. ; reboot |
| 04:34.36 | rwhitby | appsotutely: just want to know if it contains valid information |
| 04:35.00 | rwhitby | appsotutely: it's for http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/OmaDm |
| 04:36.28 | JetUni | cat-xeger: If it gets worse I just doctor right... |
| 04:37.24 | appsotutely | rwhitby: Umm, doesn't seem to contain anything particularly specific: 3GPD, Profile1, AuthAlgoAAA. I can send you the node separately if you like. |
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| 04:42.40 | rwhitby | appsotutely: so it doesn't contain any actual values, just empty nodes? |
| 04:43.19 | rwhitby | appsotutely: the template is in /usr/share/omadm/DmTree.xml - does that area differ from the template in yours? |
| 04:43.33 | rwhitby | appsotutely: (also, which device and carrier?) |
| 04:47.42 | appsotutely | rwhitby: seems so, at least for me right now. Just empty nodes and the entire CDMA node is identical to the template. I'm on a Sprint Pre2. |
| 04:48.06 | rwhitby | appsotutely: ah, Sprint Pre 2 doesn't have a provisioner binary |
| 04:48.24 | rwhitby | Anyone got a working Sprint Pre running 1.4.5 ? |
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| 04:55.23 | JetUni | rwhitby: so all I need is a usb transfer command right?? I have 1 file on my comp that I need to transfer to my phone |
| 04:55.52 | rwhitby | JetUni: what is a "usb transfer command" ? |
| 04:56.20 | JetUni | On the bootie wiki page the usb transfer commands |
| 04:56.33 | JetUni | under the commands list |
| 04:56.54 | JetUni | it says usb: usb transfer commands |
| 04:57.26 | RagingMind | rwhitby, my vzw Pre+ with 2.1 also does not have a /var/lib/software/DmTree.xml |
| 04:58.04 | rwhitby | RagingMind: probably has the UpdateDaemon disabled - I do that for franken devices |
| 04:58.17 | rwhitby | JetUni: and what does that command do? |
| 04:59.28 | JetUni | well I now figured I have the option to usb print message, usb disconnect and usb connect |
| 04:59.36 | rwhitby | JetUni: I already gave you the commands: recovery mode ; make memload mount ; novacom put .. ; reboot |
| 04:59.45 | RagingMind | yeah, I remember seeing that in the script when I built the doc I used to flash this phone |
| 05:00.51 | JetUni | from where? I was typing commands from novaterm and it says command not found |
| 05:01.14 | RagingMind | you can novaterm into your pre? |
| 05:05.15 | JetUni | I have it in recovery mode, not to make memload mount I... |
| 05:05.29 | JetUni | now to make memload mount I... |
| 05:07.55 | oil | rwhitby: appsotutely: patch looks ook to me |
| 05:10.23 | rwhitby | oil: do you want to apply it? I'm knee-deep in OmaDm ;) |
| 05:10.57 | oil | sure, ill get it in there in a few |
| 05:28.45 | infidel | what's roots default password on a pre 2? |
| 05:32.28 | dwc- | blank |
| 05:32.28 | rwhitby | empty |
| 05:32.47 | infidel | thanks |
| 05:33.22 | oil | hunter2 |
| 05:33.41 | infidel | root@192.168.0.24's password: Permission denied, please try again. |
| 05:33.45 | chpwn | yeah; they managed to make a quite impressive hash that matches both "blank" and "empty"; i'm still not sure how they managed that kind of a attack |
| 05:34.02 | chpwn | usually that's pretty hard with the hash algorithms used |
| 05:34.06 | rwhitby | heh |
| 05:34.10 | rwhitby | infidel: ssh to dropbear? |
| 05:34.11 | dwc- | sshd doesn't let you login with a blank password |
| 05:35.20 | oil | uses a ky |
| 05:35.22 | oil | key* |
| 05:35.22 | rwhitby | dwc-: that's why we use keys |
| 05:35.49 | dwc- | or set a password |
| 05:35.52 | infidel | ahhh |
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| 05:59.40 | ka6sox | halfhalo, can node, by itself talk telnet or some other network stack based terminal serial thing? |
| 06:02.51 | PatrickC | any precentral writers in here? |
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| 06:30.23 | masterhit | morning ... |
| 06:30.42 | masterhit | any idea how to fix my broken optware installation? |
| 06:33.19 | rwhitby | masterhit: webOS 1.4.5 ? |
| 06:39.37 | rwhitby | guess masterhit didn't want it fixed ... |
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| 06:40.55 | halfhalo | ka6sox: node talks tcp and udp, so it can |
| 06:41.19 | ka6sox | halfhalo, already found the 6 line client |
| 06:41.20 | masterhit | rwhitby: 2.1 pre- |
| 06:41.43 | rwhitby | masterhit: should have upgraded cleanly then. |
| 06:42.02 | rwhitby | masterhit: if all else fails, uninstall all optware stuff, reboot, then reinstall it. your keys will be preserved. |
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| 06:42.48 | masterhit | this is what i tried |
| 06:43.05 | halfhalo | ka6sox: heh. thats node for you. |
| 06:43.11 | masterhit | update through preware failed. |
| 06:43.16 | masterhit | update through preware failed. |
| 06:43.32 | masterhit | so i uninstalled all (via preware) |
| 06:43.40 | masterhit | and now he wont reinstall :/ |
| 06:43.47 | rwhitby | yes, if you have a running daemon, it can't unmount /opt to migrate it |
| 06:43.56 | masterhit | seems so |
| 06:44.08 | masterhit | i have to kill a demon now |
| 06:44.14 | masterhit | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.26 | rwhitby | well, uninstall and reboot does that |
| 06:45.12 | rwhitby | if you've uninstalled and rebooted, then post the ipkg log somewhere and give me the URL to it |
| 06:45.21 | masterhit | ive uninstalled everything ... and rebooted quiet often |
| 06:45.23 | rwhitby | (the ipkg log of your attempted reinstall) |
| 06:45.23 | masterhit | k |
| 06:45.42 | rwhitby | in fact that should have been the first thing you provided 15 minutes ago |
| 06:46.11 | rwhitby | "hey, I get a preware installlation error for optware. here is the ipkg log: <url>" is how you should enter this channel |
| 06:50.05 | masterhit | http://pastebin.com/zjZRWX9p |
| 06:52.22 | rwhitby | masterhit: do you have a /var/opt directory ? |
| 06:54.15 | masterhit | is starting xterm |
| 06:54.51 | masterhit | jup |
| 06:55.00 | rwhitby | is it empty? |
| 06:55.06 | masterhit | jup |
| 06:55.12 | masterhit | yessir |
| 06:55.17 | rwhitby | touch a file in there and try again |
| 06:56.22 | masterhit | 1 moment |
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| 06:57.08 | rwhitby | or alternatively remove that empty directory |
| 06:57.53 | masterhit | unbelievable moving a file in there did it \o/ |
| 06:57.55 | masterhit | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.18 | rwhitby | should be fixed in 1.6.1, in the optware testing feed now |
| 07:10.00 | oil | rwhitby, appsotutely: http://git.webos-internals.org/applications/preware/commit/?id=cf957757cc6a51782c72edafdfaf35a629bc3d8e |
| 07:19.43 | masterhit | breakfast now. thanks again |
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| 08:32.07 | nburn | My sprint franken pre 2 running webos 2.1.0 just notified me there is an update available to the same version 2.1.0 ? |
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| 10:10.53 | cryptk | nburn, was it recently doctored to 2.1.0? |
| 10:11.06 | cryptk | if so, it's a known thing |
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| 10:38.43 | Eric2k | anyone awake? |
| 10:51.19 | Eric2k | awwwpoo |
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| 11:02.38 | microvvave | hello |
| 11:02.55 | microvvave | anyone who can help my by saying how to instal Preware on TouchPad? |
| 11:04.30 | Loudergood | my franken pre also just updated |
| 11:05.12 | Loudergood | it's pretty typical though |
| 11:07.36 | Eric2k | which OS? |
| 11:07.39 | Eric2k | i mean |
| 11:07.40 | Eric2k | carrier |
| 11:17.15 | Loudergood | verizon |
| 11:48.44 | cryptk | just noticed microwaves question... he hung around for a whole minute for an answer |
| 11:49.03 | cryptk | or perhaps he tried installing it like you do on every other webOS device and realize that it works |
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| 12:12.45 | PinguinXY | g'day folks :) |
| 12:13.26 | PinguinXY | I am looking for an enthusiastic Hardwar expert |
| 12:13.32 | PinguinXY | Hardware* |
| 12:15.42 | PinguinXY | anyone interested in creating a walkthrough about how to tear down the Pre- GSM, I provide Pictures and Hardware, but need someone with Know-How |
| 12:21.03 | PinguinXY | anyone? |
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| 13:02.31 | RavenII | Wow...seems a lot of people are having charge issues.... |
| 13:03.15 | RavenII | or have had.... |
| 13:04.02 | Loudergood | with? |
| 13:06.02 | RavenII | Loudergood: the Pre- |
| 13:08.38 | Loudergood | ah, I never owned a minus |
| 13:08.44 | RavenII | Lucky you. |
| 13:09.05 | rwhitby | PinguinXY: http://bit.ly/pre-disassembly |
| 13:09.06 | Loudergood | my first was a plus |
| 13:11.32 | RagingMind | I still love my + :) |
| 13:11.35 | RagingMind | most of the time |
| 13:16.22 | RavenII | There is not one Pre 2 for sale on Craigslist... |
| 13:16.25 | RavenII | not one. |
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| 14:01.23 | Loudergood | that's because everyone who has one loves it |
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| 14:38.39 | RavenII | Loudergood: yeah...I bet...but I want one! |
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| 14:39.07 | RavenII | Yeah, I think either the battery in this Pre is shot, or I broke something. |
| 14:39.13 | RavenII | because it's not charging. |
| 14:41.34 | Loudergood | what did you do to it? |
| 14:41.57 | RavenII | Well this was a pre I got from a buddy, with all 4 missing screws from the slider... |
| 14:42.11 | RavenII | so I took it apart, replaced the screws from a cellphone I had laying around. |
| 14:44.17 | RavenII | and I charged it once...but now, I drained the battery...and its just going to the battery with the bolt symbol...and almost boot looping...without booting. |
| 14:44.53 | RavenII | but the computer keeps seeing it as Palm Novatec Bootie....everytime it does that. |
| 14:45.09 | PatrickC | try plugging it into the wall |
| 14:45.13 | PatrickC | and not the USB |
| 14:45.24 | RavenII | PatrickC: yeah, I don't have a charger with me... |
| 14:45.56 | RavenII | I think its because I had it as Diag on the USB 1... |
| 14:46.03 | RavenII | maybe it's got something to do with it.... |
| 15:02.28 | PuffTheMagic | did someone ping me recently? |
| 15:03.02 | summatusmentis | did you try /lastlog ? |
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| 15:12.15 | PuffTheMagic | not a valid command |
| 15:12.31 | PatrickC | yeah, I tried it too |
| 15:12.41 | PatrickC | ~lastlog |
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| 15:17.33 | fudge_ | is it possible to convert a CDMA pixi to GSM? |
| 15:17.44 | PatrickC | yes. if you swap comms boards |
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| 15:18.44 | twbbas | Are there any plans to make freetether work via bluetooth with the TouchPad? |
| 15:18.49 | fudge_ | but does the pixi's comms board have the SIM slot on it? |
| 15:19.03 | PatrickC | I believe so, yes |
| 15:19.17 | PatrickC | but I'm not 100% certain as I've not handled a pixi gsm |
| 15:19.22 | PatrickC | only gsm pre2's |
| 15:20.05 | PatrickC | twbbas: I hope so |
| 15:20.44 | summatusmentis | PuffTheMagic: oh, then maybe it's an irssi specific thing, but I didn't think so |
| 15:23.00 | RavenII | PatrickC: what'd you pay for the Pre2? |
| 15:23.06 | PatrickC | I didnt |
| 15:23.11 | PatrickC | got them free |
| 15:23.24 | PatrickC | I have 2 |
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| 15:24.04 | fudge_ | ... |
| 15:24.06 | fudge_ | howd you get them free |
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| 15:24.13 | PatrickC | dev device program |
| 15:24.17 | fudge_ | oh |
| 15:26.02 | fudge_ | it makes wonder if the conversion is even possible |
| 15:26.17 | fudge_ | when i did the verizon comms board swap into my sprint pixi |
| 15:26.25 | fudge_ | the phone still read "Sprint" |
| 15:27.06 | PatrickC | I believe its possible.. though I've never done it. |
| 15:27.07 | PatrickC | so.. |
| 15:28.55 | fudge_ | i mean if the phone read Verizon and the ESN changed, then yeah i guess its 100% possible |
| 15:29.26 | fudge_ | im guessing the ESN and stuff is stored some place else on the pixi other than the comms board |
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| 15:30.39 | PatrickC | I'm really not the most knowledgeable person on this subject (yet) :) |
| 15:31.36 | fudge_ | lol ok |
| 15:39.24 | RavenII | PatrickC: you dev? |
| 15:39.29 | PatrickC | yep |
| 15:40.17 | RavenII | Cool... |
| 15:40.24 | summatusmentis | fudge_: I believe ESN and things are stored on the mobo on the pixi |
| 15:40.33 | summatusmentis | there's a precentral thread about it, iirc |
| 15:40.47 | fudge_ | yeah i thought so too |
| 15:41.01 | fudge_ | wont it be illegal to change that stuff tho |
| 15:41.21 | summatusmentis | well, can you explain what you're trying to do? |
| 15:41.54 | fudge_ | im trying to convert a CDMA verizon pixi minus into a GSM (Unlocked) pixi plus |
| 15:43.11 | fudge_ | the GSM pixi is water damaged (touch screen is gone) and im trying to swap the board into the verizon one, but im wondering if it will even work |
| 15:44.38 | summatusmentis | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pixi-pixi-plus/256557-added-wifi-my-sprint-pixi-works-100-a.html |
| 15:44.46 | summatusmentis | that's the thread I was basing my info off of |
| 15:44.57 | summatusmentis | so that suggests that ESN and things are on the mobo |
| 15:45.51 | fudge_ | yeah. im guessing its not possible then :/ |
| 15:46.31 | PatrickC | RavenII: do you know Javascript? |
| 15:47.26 | RavenII | Negative...I do more the hacking of ESNs and such.. |
| 15:48.05 | fudge_ | RavenII: so its possible in your eyes? lol |
| 15:49.56 | RavenII | What's that? |
| 15:50.16 | RavenII | Sorry, I wasn't reading (at work) |
| 15:50.22 | fudge_ | lol its ok |
| 15:50.34 | fudge_ | making a cdma pixi into a gsm one |
| 15:51.00 | RavenII | ok... |
| 15:53.51 | phoque | any windsurfers/sailors/kitesurfers here that want to help beta-testing a wind-prediction app? query me! |
| 16:00.06 | RavenII | PatrickC: now that I think about it...I had the thing plugged into the house charger all night...still didn't charge... |
| 16:00.17 | PatrickC | RavenII: odd |
| 16:00.29 | RavenII | Yeah... |
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| 16:28.51 | RavenII | I'm thinking this is a bad pre...because it's not charging and I keep getting "Phone offline"....when/if it boots up. |
| 16:28.59 | RavenII | All the more reason to get a Plus... |
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| 17:34.43 | dwc- | summatusmentis: lastlog is an epic/bitchx then irssi command. |
| 17:35.10 | summatusmentis | oh, I didn't realize that |
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| 18:27.11 | infidel | i setup ssh and am able to ssh in via wifi but not ppp0 i look at ifconfig ppp0 and have a 10. address so i wanted to check my ip on www.whatismyip.com and not my web browser doesn't work could this be a fw issue since the only rules are set for port 222? |
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| 18:31.55 | JetUni | rwhitby: So I still don't know what commands I'm executing in which program to copy one little file to my pre...do you think you could help? |
| 18:33.08 | infidel | JetUni, what are you doing? |
| 18:34.04 | JetUni | infidel: I need to copy /bin/sh to my pre from recovery mode... |
| 18:35.34 | infidel | JetUni, can you access the pre? |
| 18:36.20 | JetUni | infidel: it's in recovery mode...that's the best I can do with it...it won't go past the boot logo |
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| 18:37.36 | infidel | JetUni, with the usb cable connected can you get to the os? |
| 18:37.45 | infidel | with novacom |
| 18:37.55 | JetUni | How exactly?? |
| 18:38.55 | infidel | dos prompt correct dir novacom -t open tty:// |
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| 18:42.50 | JetUni | So I did "-t open tty://" from the novacom dir and nothing happened |
| 18:43.33 | infidel | novacom -t open tty:// |
| 18:44.00 | JetUni | yes |
| 18:44.09 | JetUni | nothing happened |
| 18:44.34 | infidel | cable connected and just charge selected? |
| 18:45.11 | JetUni | Cable connected and it's in recovery mode cuz I can't boot it... |
| 18:45.19 | infidel | ahh oh yeah |
| 18:46.06 | infidel | everything depends on that shell, what happened to it? |
| 18:47.13 | infidel | i never been in recovery mode what do you see there? |
| 18:48.25 | infidel | http://forums.palm.com/t5/webOS-Hardware/Palm-Pre-stuck-at-logo/td-p/242880 |
| 18:49.21 | infidel | that page may help |
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| 18:51.53 | JetUni | I know I can doctor it...but I don't want to...it's just one file I need to copy |
| 18:52.23 | JetUni | Or if there's an easy way to rename a file already on my pre, then that would work... |
| 18:54.17 | infidel | can you get windows to see the files on the phone? |
| 18:54.46 | JetUni | I'm on Linux |
| 18:54.47 | infidel | you have a linux box? |
| 18:55.00 | infidel | when you plug it in does dmesg see it? |
| 18:55.03 | JetUni | It's a separate boot image Linux |
| 18:55.12 | JetUni | what's dmesg |
| 18:55.22 | infidel | kernel messages |
| 18:55.30 | infidel | how about lsusb? |
| 18:55.42 | infidel | you might be able to munt it |
| 18:55.45 | infidel | mount |
| 18:56.09 | infidel | just type dmesg and look at the end for usb or sdX |
| 19:00.02 | JetUni | I don't see usb or sdX at the end of it... |
| 19:00.15 | infidel | type lsusb |
| 19:00.34 | JetUni | k |
| 19:00.52 | JetUni | one says Palm, Inc. |
| 19:01.17 | JetUni | Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0830:8001 Palm, Inc. |
| 19:01.17 | infidel | cool |
| 19:01.37 | infidel | so it does see it, now you should be able to mount it |
| 19:01.54 | infidel | sorry i can't help anymore i have to go back to work |
| 19:02.01 | JetUni | me too...thx |
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| 19:14.53 | DMeister-webOSIT | ciao |
| 19:15.13 | PatrickC | hellp |
| 19:16.25 | DMeister-webOSIT | Hi, in your opinion the possibility we have of made a meta-doctor of webos 3.0 in future for Pre+/- is about... 0%? xD |
| 19:16.30 | PatrickC | hello* |
| 19:16.49 | PatrickC | yeah.. probably right around 0% |
| 19:16.55 | DMeister-webOSIT | xDDDDDDD |
| 19:17.04 | PatrickC | I don't think its possible.. different chips iirc |
| 19:17.23 | DMeister-webOSIT | meanwhile for Pre 2, around 99%, right? |
| 19:17.53 | PatrickC | I believe the pre2 will get an official 3.0 doctor |
| 19:18.21 | PatrickC | and I don't think that any of the current phones will be meta-doctorable to 3.0 as the tp has a different chip |
| 19:19.30 | DMeister-webOSIT | ok... thanks ;) |
| 19:19.34 | PatrickC | np |
| 19:25.05 | DMeister-webOSIT | another quest.: every morning, when I turn off the airplane mode on my Pre- (kernel F-105, 1005 Mhz, webOS 2.1) after 7 hours, I must restart the OS, because its block... How can i resolve? |
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| 19:34.38 | dtzWill | hmm case+touchstone doesn't work as well as you'd hope |
| 19:34.56 | dtzWill | has np charging through the case, but no useful way to put the device on the tp w.r.t to flap |
| 19:35.12 | dtzWill | sine you probably wanna SEE it when on the tp, for exhibition and the like |
| 19:35.26 | dtzWill | plays with it |
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| 19:35.38 | dtzWill | you can fold flap under and it sorta fits, but is kinda unnecessarily janky |
| 19:36.17 | dtzWill | folding under in landscape seems best, oh well |
| 19:36.30 | dtzWill | just shame the orientations didn't work out such that you could fold flap over top in the other landscape orientation... |
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| 19:52.11 | PatrickC | dtzWill: is the case nice besides that? pics? :) |
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| 20:17.07 | dtzWill | if I'm hacking on misc builtin apps (looking to see if a patch idea is plausible) |
| 20:17.17 | dtzWill | stop LunaSysMgr ; start LunaSysMgr |
| 20:17.22 | dtzWill | should be sufficient to ensure the updated code is loaded? |
| 20:19.46 | dtzWill | (seems like it) |
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| 20:27.24 | dtzWill | YAY it's alive |
| 20:27.32 | dtzWill | (agena view only shows my primary calendar now) |
| 20:27.34 | dtzWill | thank *god* |
| 20:27.48 | dtzWill | it didn't even filter on the calendars you marked visible in the calendar app |
| 20:28.08 | dtzWill | so i have lots of calendars (friends, coworkers, etc) that i absolutely don't need cluttering my agenda ^.^ |
| 20:28.24 | dtzWill | too bad my short poking didn't show a useful way to generalize this or let a user pick which calendar |
| 20:28.36 | dtzWill | just had it log calendarId's and then hardcoded a check for mine, lol |
| 20:28.36 | dtzWill | :3 |
| 20:29.09 | dtzWill | ahhhh touchpad in case, on touchstone, showing my actual agenda ^_________________________^ |
| 20:29.12 | dtzWill | is a happy will |
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| 20:31.30 | PatrickC | can you install regular .deb files in webos? |
| 20:31.53 | dtzWill | PatrickC: depends what you mean |
| 20:31.56 | dtzWill | short answer is 'no' |
| 20:32.07 | PatrickC | like the Inkscape for linux |
| 20:32.09 | dtzWill | medium answer is 'kinda' |
| 20:32.33 | dtzWill | PatrickC: you could certainly 'install' them--they're just zip'd (err whatever compressed format they use) data |
| 20:32.38 | dtzWill | extract it to /opt or something |
| 20:32.44 | dtzWill | getting the dependencies for that deb |
| 20:32.49 | dtzWill | and installing *those* |
| 20:32.57 | PatrickC | my problem is that /opt is out of space (or so it says) |
| 20:32.57 | dtzWill | is not something that you could easily do, offhand anyway |
| 20:33.09 | dtzWill | PatrickC: well then metadoctor it to have more space :) |
| 20:33.12 | dtzWill | er i think that's an option... |
| 20:33.25 | PatrickC | do I have to doctor to gain the space? |
| 20:33.31 | PatrickC | or can I do it elsewhere? |
| 20:33.38 | dtzWill | anyway if you treat the .deb as a collection of prebuilt libraries/binaries/resources, and you _own_ putting them where they go and grabbing dep's you can /use/ them |
| 20:33.45 | dtzWill | but kinda loses the whole point of having a .deb |
| 20:34.05 | dtzWill | PatrickC: you can probably use the lvm tools to do a non-destructive resize |
| 20:34.14 | PatrickC | ok |
| 20:34.20 | PatrickC | I'll try those later |
| 20:34.23 | dtzWill | i don't know how though, sorry. just imagine it's do-able |
| 20:34.31 | PatrickC | thanks |
| 20:34.31 | dtzWill | and, uh, no promises it won't eat your babies or something O:) |
| 20:34.56 | PatrickC | I've done the lvm resize before |
| 20:35.05 | PatrickC | and it worked fine then, which is why I asked |
| 20:35.24 | dtzWill | PatrickC: great, you're a step ahead :) |
| 20:35.33 | PatrickC | but I did it for other stuff. not the /opt |
| 20:35.46 | PatrickC | I'll try it and report back :) |
| 20:36.14 | PatrickC | thanks dtzWill |
| 20:37.03 | dtzWill | PatrickC: yep, gl! :) |
| 20:37.08 | PatrickC | thx |
| 20:37.29 | PatrickC | I'll let you know what happens.. how did they run OOO on webos? I might have to do something like that |
| 20:39.14 | dtzWill | PatrickC: using the x server |
| 20:39.24 | dtzWill | PatrickC: and then taking some arm-friendly linux distribution like debian |
| 20:39.28 | dtzWill | and building a chroot |
| 20:39.42 | PatrickC | ok. documented on the wiki? I presume |
| 20:39.46 | dtzWill | so just having all the files of the distribution, in an iamge on /media/internal |
| 20:39.53 | dtzWill | PatrickC: indeed! |
| 20:39.56 | dtzWill | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian_chroot |
| 20:39.57 | dtzWill | PatrickC: ^^^^^^^^^ |
| 20:39.58 | dtzWill | :) |
| 20:40.00 | PatrickC | ok. I'll take a look there |
| 20:40.03 | PatrickC | thanks! :) |
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| 20:40.50 | PatrickC | dtzWill: does it matter what size you make it? |
| 20:42.34 | dtzWill | PatrickC: yep, that's the bound on how big the 'disk' is internally |
| 20:42.41 | dtzWill | so when you're in the chroot, it's as if you have a disk of that size. |
| 20:42.52 | dtzWill | limits what you can install inside the chroot (via apt-get, etc) |
| 20:43.02 | PatrickC | oh, so that's pretty much how big the "hard drive" is? |
| 20:43.56 | dtzWill | indeed. |
| 20:44.03 | PatrickC | and I see that you ported the xServer :) |
| 20:44.16 | dtzWill | PatrickC: indeed ^.^ |
| 20:44.31 | dtzWill | work on it for the touchpad is underway, it already works rather well. |
| 20:44.47 | dtzWill | just some packaging issues, and along similar vein some usability issues re:keyboard |
| 20:44.49 | PatrickC | awesome |
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| 20:44.56 | PatrickC | I don't have a tp (yet) so. |
| 20:45.07 | mafy6 | hello i am looking for some help |
| 20:45.36 | PatrickC | mafy6: what kind? |
| 20:45.49 | PatrickC | dtzWill: is this actual screenshots of it running on a pre? http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:X?wasRedirected=true |
| 20:46.02 | dtzWill | PatrickC: haha, yeah man. |
| 20:46.03 | dtzWill | ^___^ |
| 20:46.08 | PatrickC | wow! |
| 20:46.19 | mafy6 | my geo restrictions have changed from france to usa |
| 20:46.28 | PatrickC | mafy6: that's bad? |
| 20:46.47 | PatrickC | dtzWill: would ubuntu be doable? or should I stick with debian? |
| 20:46.51 | mafy6 | from what i have read on precentral.net i thought this was impossible |
| 20:47.08 | dtzWill | PatrickC: http://twitter.com/#!/wdtz/status/86136317095849984 has some screenies for the touchpad |
| 20:47.15 | dtzWill | and many more by cryptk and halfhalo |
| 20:47.16 | PatrickC | palm has been working on lifting geo-restrictions iirc |
| 20:47.18 | dtzWill | should be good stuff coming ^.^ |
| 20:47.28 | dtzWill | PatrickC: ubuntu works, but I haven't tried/done it myself. |
| 20:47.35 | PatrickC | ok |
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| 20:47.42 | dtzWill | I think cryptk has instructions for how to get a good natty chroot |
| 20:47.49 | dtzWill | bug him about it (ping intentional) |
| 20:48.04 | cryptk | ubuntu works, but gnome takes a lot of work |
| 20:48.39 | PatrickC | cryptk: which is better for a starter? ubuntu/debian |
| 20:48.48 | cryptk | either |
| 20:48.59 | cryptk | I am gonna write it up tonight |
| 20:49.16 | cryptk | how to get natty and gnome running |
| 20:49.38 | PatrickC | on a pre or a tp? |
| 20:49.47 | PatrickC | dtzWill: x server work on the pre2? |
| 20:49.54 | cryptk | tp |
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| 20:50.03 | dtzWill | PatrickC: it should? don't remember if i personally tested it |
| 20:50.10 | PatrickC | ok |
| 20:50.11 | dtzWill | PatrickC: gnome is probably a bit much for the pre |
| 20:50.26 | dtzWill | cryptk's instructions would *work* but probably would be significantly less usable |
| 20:50.27 | PatrickC | yeah, probably |
| 20:50.34 | dtzWill | and from what i hear gnome dogs a little as it is |
| 20:50.52 | cryptk | it does |
| 20:50.54 | dtzWill | partially due to lack of render acceleration, but i'd imagine also just b/c gnome is a bit heavy :) |
| 20:51.04 | PatrickC | wow.. I'll stick with debian :) |
| 20:51.05 | cryptk | e or lxde is a much better option |
| 20:51.10 | dtzWill | mmhmm. |
| 20:51.12 | Jack87 | dtzWill: i couldnt get xserver to launch on TP |
| 20:51.19 | dtzWill | cryptk: those e screnies you posted are glorious |
| 20:51.23 | dtzWill | Jack87: it's a WIP |
| 20:51.26 | cryptk | thanks |
| 20:51.32 | Loudergood | kde is supposed to be working on a mobile version as well |
| 20:51.32 | Jack87 | copy that |
| 20:51.33 | dtzWill | Jack87: nothing in the feeds work atm AFAIK |
| 20:51.45 | cryptk | the x server I'm using is not in the feeds |
| 20:51.48 | Jack87 | gotcha |
| 20:51.59 | dtzWill | working on building towards a testing release atm, some things to work out even before it hits the testing feeds :) |
| 20:52.00 | cryptk | dtzWill: is still working on that piece |
| 20:52.10 | Loudergood | I've been watching the code on the git server with interest |
| 20:52.20 | cryptk | dtzWill: does it have randr? |
| 20:52.36 | scoutcamper | jack87, in other words, if you want the ipk, bribe dtzWill |
| 20:52.41 | cryptk | that should be a must |
| 20:53.01 | cryptk | RandR to allow rotation and resizing |
| 20:53.04 | Jack87 | scoutcamper: if only i had more time to play right now |
| 20:53.06 | mafy6 | has anyone have issues with the app catalog? |
| 20:53.10 | scoutcamper | lol |
| 20:53.10 | dtzWill | cryptk: no, I don't have randr atm. |
| 20:53.14 | dtzWill | cryptk: it's on my list of TODO's |
| 20:53.18 | cryptk | cool |
| 20:53.20 | PatrickC | dtzWill: can those cmd's be run from webos to make the chroot? |
| 20:53.21 | dtzWill | cryptk: primarily coupled with orientation detection |
| 20:53.27 | cryptk | yep |
| 20:53.41 | dtzWill | cryptk: so that we can dynamically change things. might even make sense to have a little x app |
| 20:53.44 | dtzWill | (not part of the server) |
| 20:53.53 | dtzWill | that runs and lets you set the orientation |
| 20:53.58 | dtzWill | by making little xrandr calls |
| 20:53.58 | cryptk | I am gonna write up tonight how to get natty and gnome running, but it is buggy |
| 20:54.08 | dtzWill | but for now landscape works |
| 20:54.23 | mafy6 | my geo restrtictions have changed from europe (france) to north america yet i cant get access to north american apps such as netflix etc |
| 20:54.36 | cryptk | most of my work will likely be on either natty and lxde or angstrom with something light |
| 20:54.42 | PatrickC | mafy6: there is no netflix app |
| 20:55.00 | PatrickC | dtzWill: I ask because I'm not gonna be at a linux pc for a while |
| 20:55.14 | scoutcamper | cryptk dtzWill, as soon as i have the gnome instructions i will edit them for kde-plasma-desktop |
| 20:56.10 | cryptk | scoutcamper: there is no hardware accel |
| 20:56.24 | cryptk | plasma will be SLOW |
| 20:56.35 | scoutcamper | meh |
| 20:56.58 | scoutcamper | if people like KDE-Plasma, then there will be motivation to fix it |
| 20:57.26 | PatrickC | I wish people liked the android project |
| 20:57.32 | PatrickC | lol |
| 20:58.22 | dtzWill | damn, bt keyboard support is gonna require manually mapping the keys ._. |
| 20:58.48 | scoutcamper | PatrickC, people dont buy webos devices for the bleeding edge hardware, they buy it for WebOS, thus android would not be liked, if they wanted android they would buy android |
| 20:59.09 | PatrickC | scoutcamper: I'm talking about the dual-boot project |
| 20:59.22 | scoutcamper | me to |
| 20:59.29 | PatrickC | I liked having both |
| 20:59.43 | cryptk | if we wanted driod, we would buy driod |
| 20:59.45 | PatrickC | it would have been nice to have some of their apps.. and stuff on pre hw |
| 20:59.55 | scoutcamper | nah |
| 21:00.04 | PatrickC | I like the angry birds free :) |
| 21:00.05 | cryptk | we are webos-internals... not droid internals |
| 21:00.10 | PatrickC | lol |
| 21:00.10 | Loudergood | an android chroot would be cool ;) |
| 21:00.13 | PatrickC | thank goodness |
| 21:00.20 | PatrickC | Loudergood: get working! :) |
| 21:00.25 | Loudergood | haha |
| 21:00.37 | cryptk | why dont you make it PatrickC |
| 21:00.38 | Loudergood | actually I find the debian chroot much cooler, I <3 debian |
| 21:00.51 | PatrickC | cryptk: I haven't ever done a chroot before |
| 21:00.58 | PatrickC | I'll start with documented ones first :) |
| 21:01.01 | dtzWill | cryptk: is there 'composite' extension on your copy of the xserver? |
| 21:01.01 | scoutcamper | i <3 Ubuntu |
| 21:01.03 | cryptk | learn? |
| 21:01.16 | cryptk | not sure |
| 21:01.17 | PatrickC | cryptk: like I said, I'll start with documented ones first |
| 21:01.30 | dtzWill | xpydinfo should tell you, next time you're in your chroot could you run it and tell me? j/w :) |
| 21:01.38 | dtzWill | and jumping xserver versions here is a PITA, otherwise i'd do it myself |
| 21:01.40 | cryptk | I havent checked for composite |
| 21:02.04 | cryptk | lemme hook it up, one sec |
| 21:02.10 | dtzWill | np and no hurry at all |
| 21:02.11 | dtzWill | j/w ^.^ |
| 21:02.11 | PatrickC | dtzWill: would webos be able to build the chroot? |
| 21:02.25 | cryptk | yes, but slowly |
| 21:02.32 | PatrickC | hmm.. I'll try it |
| 21:02.46 | PatrickC | I'm not gonna be near an actual linux distro for a while |
| 21:03.17 | infidel | someone needs to port synergy to webos |
| 21:03.30 | Loudergood | infidel: get to work ;) |
| 21:03.42 | cryptk | dtzWill, where can I find xpydinfo at? |
| 21:03.45 | infidel | lol |
| 21:03.46 | summatusmentis | we have our own synergy, tyvm |
| 21:04.02 | cryptk | infidel, that is my next project |
| 21:04.12 | cryptk | summatusmentis, that isn't the synergy he is talking about |
| 21:04.18 | dtzWill | cryptk: x11-utils |
| 21:04.20 | cryptk | keyboard and mouse sharing |
| 21:04.30 | summatusmentis | cryptk: I'm aware :) |
| 21:04.31 | dtzWill | think he was joking? :) |
| 21:04.40 | dtzWill | but yeah synergy is good stuff. |
| 21:04.44 | infidel | awesome |
| 21:04.49 | dtzWill | infidel: j/w, what did you have in mind for your port? |
| 21:04.50 | PatrickC | when I try to wget http://www.public.iastate.edu/%7Emdklein/debsmall.img.bz2 it gives me a 404 error |
| 21:04.59 | dtzWill | tablet as server to control other clients |
| 21:05.09 | cryptk | dtzWill, I have x11-utils installed |
| 21:05.11 | infidel | he's right |
| 21:05.12 | cryptk | no xpydinfo |
| 21:05.16 | dtzWill | or controlling tablet with some other device's stuff |
| 21:05.18 | dtzWill | cryptk: xdpyinfo |
| 21:05.19 | dtzWill | sorry |
| 21:06.12 | dtzWill | mmmm firefox (iceweasel) is fun/good stuff |
| 21:06.19 | dtzWill | man can't wait until we get this all polished and shipped |
| 21:06.21 | dtzWill | ^______________^ |
| 21:06.37 | dtzWill | especially with bt keyboard |
| 21:06.49 | cryptk | dtzWill, http://pastebin.com/86naSj23 |
| 21:06.51 | dtzWill | i could just bring table around with me (and keyboard) and be remarkably productive |
| 21:07.00 | cryptk | it has it |
| 21:07.09 | dtzWill | cryptk: haha okay, ty. |
| 21:07.17 | dtzWill | forward-ported the xsdl stuff to 1.9, and it had it |
| 21:07.22 | dtzWill | and didn't remember seeing it before. |
| 21:07.35 | cryptk | mine is the 0.5.0 that halfhalo has |
| 21:07.44 | dtzWill | transparent terminals are fun :P |
| 21:07.59 | dtzWill | and the forced compisiting fixes the draw glitches |
| 21:08.26 | dtzWill | (which i think are due to us blitting the buffer asynchronously, shrug) |
| 21:08.33 | dtzWill | cryptk: yeah, i haven't wrapped up 1.9 yet. |
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| 21:22.34 | PatrickC | dtzWill: ping |
| 21:23.10 | dtzWill | PatrickC: pong :) |
| 21:23.22 | PatrickC | it won't let me resize the .pmg |
| 21:23.24 | PatrickC | img* |
| 21:23.29 | PatrickC | pasting error |
| 21:24.02 | dtzWill | hmm? |
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| 21:24.50 | PatrickC | oh. I think I ran 2 cmd's as one.. |
| 21:24.56 | PatrickC | is this 2 cmd's |
| 21:24.58 | PatrickC | bunzip2 debsmall.img.bz2 |
| 21:25.10 | dtzWill | that's one command |
| 21:25.14 | dtzWill | it's extracts the img. |
| 21:25.37 | PatrickC | I tried that (with 1024MB) and it failed |
| 21:25.48 | halfhalo | lulz |
| 21:26.02 | cryptk | first just bunzip it |
| 21:26.06 | PatrickC | ok |
| 21:26.08 | cryptk | then you have the actual image |
| 21:26.13 | cryptk | then you resize that |
| 21:26.58 | PatrickC | Can't open input file debsmall.img.bz2: No such file or directory |
| 21:27.11 | dtzWill | PatrickC: you probably already extracted it to debsmall.img? |
| 21:27.19 | PatrickC | yeah |
| 21:27.22 | PatrickC | just saw that |
| 21:27.36 | cryptk | I personally am not using images |
| 21:27.44 | cryptk | I just have the rootfs in a folder that I chroot to |
| 21:27.55 | PatrickC | which is easier? |
| 21:28.16 | cryptk | for you? |
| 21:28.19 | cryptk | no clue |
| 21:28.36 | cryptk | depends on if you know how to mount a loopback or not |
| 21:28.42 | cryptk | and what instructions you are following |
| 21:28.44 | cryptk | etc etc etc |
| 21:28.46 | PatrickC | I've done it before.. |
| 21:28.53 | PatrickC | http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian_chroot?wasRedirected=true |
| 21:29.06 | cryptk | just follow the instructions |
| 21:29.29 | PatrickC | ok |
| 21:29.45 | PatrickC | invalid new size 1024MB |
| 21:30.10 | PatrickC | nvm.. should be 1024M |
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| 21:41.01 | scoutcamper | mumbles something about rdp needing a dbus |
| 21:42.34 | scoutcamper | on x-server |
| 21:43.56 | dtzWill | hmm i thought rdesktop in widk worked |
| 21:44.01 | dtzWill | been a while, though. |
| 21:44.08 | dtzWill | builds to see |
| 21:44.18 | summatusmentis | why doesn't dbus work? |
| 21:45.02 | scoutcamper | dtzWill, the RDP in e17 on my chroot on my TP dies because it has no dbus |
| 21:46.05 | summatusmentis | oh man, e17, I forgot about that |
| 21:46.57 | scoutcamper | summatusmentis, right now e17 and lxde are the only gui's that work |
| 21:47.32 | scoutcamper | summatusmentis, after tonight gnome will work, and if i get instructions sometime soon kde-plasma will also exist |
| 21:49.39 | summatusmentis | I'm picking up my TP tomorrow, looking forward to it. |
| 21:50.01 | summatusmentis | how usable is the X stuff? |
| 21:50.36 | scoutcamper | summatusmentis, if you can talk dtzWill out of an IPK its pretty useable |
| 21:50.50 | Jack87 | dtzWill: can the key mapping be scripted? |
| 21:51.00 | summatusmentis | pokes dtzWill |
| 21:51.12 | summatusmentis | IPK! IPK! IPK! |
| 21:52.13 | scoutcamper | lol |
| 21:53.41 | bnceo | congrats summatusmentis |
| 21:54.00 | summatusmentis | bnceo: looking forward to it |
| 21:54.05 | scoutcamper | summatusmentis, getting a 16 or 32gb? |
| 21:54.20 | summatusmentis | 32gb, that's the only way I can get the legacy discount |
| 21:54.26 | bnceo | exactly |
| 21:54.26 | scoutcamper | :D |
| 21:54.33 | scoutcamper | i love my 32gb |
| 21:54.35 | bnceo | which reminds me. I have to fill that thing out and mail it tomorrow |
| 21:54.41 | bnceo | my 32gb is a champ |
| 21:54.49 | summatusmentis | if I could get the 16gb one and use the legacy discount, I totally would |
| 21:55.33 | scoutcamper | summatusmentis, my chroot is 16gb alone lol |
| 21:55.59 | summatusmentis | daang |
| 21:56.06 | PatrickC | why would novaterm randmly crash in the middle of a cmd? |
| 21:56.15 | summatusmentis | actually, the chroot stuff is something I feel like I need |
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| 21:59.36 | cryptk | summatusmentis, dbus works fine |
| 21:59.46 | cryptk | scoutcamper is wrong about dbus, the problem is NOT with dbus |
| 22:00.26 | scoutcamper | cryptk, correct, but dbus not starting is the problem, thus indirectly the issue is with dbus |
| 22:01.36 | cryptk | no |
| 22:01.40 | cryptk | dbus works just fine |
| 22:01.49 | cryptk | you can start it manually and it starts right up |
| 22:01.52 | cryptk | upstart is the problem |
| 22:02.03 | cryptk | what you are describing is a symptom of that problem |
| 22:02.28 | cryptk | upstart fails to start dbus due to problems with upstart, not due to problems with dbus |
| 22:02.54 | scoutcamper | ok |
| 22:03.29 | scoutcamper | contemplates installing the palm sdk on his TP |
| 22:03.48 | scoutcamper | s/TP/chroot on his TP/ |
| 22:05.32 | dtzWill | scoutcamper: eclipse works, i think. halfhalo tweeted some screenies |
| 22:05.32 | dtzWill | hehe |
| 22:05.39 | scoutcamper | dtzWill, yep |
| 22:06.03 | scoutcamper | if i get full sdk, i can build ipk's, leave them in /tmp/ and install through preware :D |
| 22:07.13 | dtzWill | scoutcamper: yep! :) |
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| 22:07.17 | dtzWill | also, rdesktop in widk works fine fwiw |
| 22:07.23 | dtzWill | idk what rdesktop needs dbus for anyway |
| 22:09.37 | summatusmentis | so what are the problems with upstart? can they be fixed? |
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| 22:11.25 | dtzWill | well rdesktop in widk needs some keymapping stuffs to work with that |
| 22:11.27 | dtzWill | but it runs :) |
| 22:11.41 | Jack87 | dtzWill: awesome news |
| 22:12.37 | dtzWill | rdesktop from debian chroot works fine |
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| 22:12.48 | PatrickC | NOOOOO |
| 22:12.59 | dtzWill | PatrickC: o_O |
| 22:13.01 | PatrickC | I rebooted my pre2 and all the cookies from apps are gone!! |
| 22:13.10 | PatrickC | it was really slow.. so I rebooted |
| 22:13.32 | PatrickC | then when it finished booting, I opened up wIRC, and it was like I JUST INSTALLED IT! |
| 22:13.36 | PatrickC | a |
| 22:13.37 | Jack87 | is sad for some reason he cant login to the secure wifi on campus anymore and according to the help desk his account isnt blocked. even though this happened like 2 years ago and there was some hidden block somewhere |
| 22:13.42 | PatrickC | same with preware! |
| 22:14.19 | PatrickC | dtzWill: any ideas? |
| 22:14.27 | PatrickC | my usb drice is still |
| 22:14.28 | Jack87 | PatrickC: thats odd.. all that fun stuff is stored on palm's servers i think. every new device activation and doctor all that stuff stays put for me |
| 22:14.34 | PatrickC | drive is still in tact |
| 22:14.55 | PatrickC | Jack87: but.. why after just a regular reboot? |
| 22:15.18 | PatrickC | and now whenever I try to open novacom it tells me "failed to connect to server" |
| 22:15.21 | Jack87 | i dunno maybe you errased it some how? |
| 22:15.28 | PatrickC | idk how.. |
| 22:15.35 | Jack87 | is dev mode on? |
| 22:15.39 | PatrickC | I just did a triple toggle reboot |
| 22:15.52 | PatrickC | yeah |
| 22:16.36 | PatrickC | xterm works perfectly though |
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| 22:17.09 | PatrickC | now I have no novaterm.. |
| 22:17.37 | PatrickC | :'( |
| 22:18.01 | PatrickC | palm-install won't even work |
| 22:18.16 | Jack87 | on windows machine? |
| 22:18.50 | PatrickC | yeah |
| 22:18.56 | Jack87 | try restarting it |
| 22:19.05 | PatrickC | ok |
| 22:20.04 | PatrickC | my preware feeds are intact |
| 22:20.07 | PatrickC | but nothing else |
| 22:20.49 | PatrickC | spaz is no longer logged in.. nothing |
| 22:25.25 | PatrickC | Jack87: that worked to fix novacom |
| 22:25.54 | Jack87 | figured it was just a service that some how got disabled. rebooting re-enabled it on the computer |
| 22:26.14 | Jack87 | as for your other issues i dunno enough to help you sorry |
| 22:26.29 | PatrickC | thx though |
| 22:26.38 | PatrickC | time to finish the chroot |
| 22:26.42 | PatrickC | *sighs* |
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| 22:35.36 | pawnshop7 | Greetings everyone. |
| 22:35.39 | pawnshop7 | If a Sprint Palm Pre is activated using a palm profile that is active on another pre. can data from the usb drive be retreived from the old phone? |
| 22:35.55 | summatusmentis | from the usb drive? |
| 22:36.00 | pawnshop7 | yes |
| 22:36.05 | summatusmentis | you mean when you plug the phone into a computer? |
| 22:36.10 | pawnshop7 | music, photos and such. |
| 22:36.15 | pawnshop7 | yes |
| 22:36.19 | summatusmentis | as I understand it, that should still be on the old phone |
| 22:36.36 | summatusmentis | all the stuff associated with the palm profile will not be though |
| 22:36.56 | pawnshop7 | right. My question is does activitatng a palm profile on a new phone cause the old phone to wipe or lose access to the data it has? |
| 22:37.27 | summatusmentis | not on the usb partition, I don't think |
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| 22:37.34 | summatusmentis | have you plugged in the old phone and looked? |
| 22:37.42 | PatrickC | dtzWill: ping |
| 22:37.54 | pawnshop7 | old phone is still at the sprint store, heading over in a few with a laptop to pull data |
| 22:37.55 | PatrickC | when I run "/usr/sbin/chroot /media/cf" |
| 22:38.17 | PatrickC | nvm |
| 22:38.32 | pawnshop7 | but it was worrying me |
| 22:38.39 | pawnshop7 | so I though I would pop in and ask |
| 22:38.52 | summatusmentis | oh, no, I'm pretty sure it should still all be there |
| 22:39.14 | pawnshop7 | with the understanding that you are not guaranteeing anything, I thank you. |
| 22:39.15 | PatrickC | anyone here done the debian chroot via img file? |
| 22:41.28 | summatusmentis | pawnshop7: of course, but I've doctored a phone, and everything on the usb partition was still there |
| 22:41.45 | summatusmentis | logging it out of the palm profile shouldn't hurt it, unless something weird occurs |
| 22:41.49 | PatrickC | ok. debian chroot. I'm at the /usr/sbin/chroot /media/cf step |
| 22:41.56 | PatrickC | after I do that, then what? |
| 22:42.00 | dtzWill | PatrickC: pong-ish |
| 22:42.09 | PatrickC | I'm at /usr/sbin/chroot /media/cf |
| 22:42.13 | PatrickC | what do I do now? |
| 22:42.50 | PatrickC | run X server? |
| 22:42.56 | scoutcamper | PatrickC, yes |
| 22:43.01 | PatrickC | I did |
| 22:43.05 | PatrickC | and nothing happened |
| 22:43.17 | PatrickC | just the gray checkered screen |
| 22:43.56 | summatusmentis | that's the outcome of running an xserver |
| 22:44.19 | PatrickC | how do I get debian to run then? |
| 22:44.42 | summatusmentis | what... what? |
| 22:44.51 | pawnshop7 | summatusmentis, I've doctored one as well, but I wasn't sure if the de3activation of the palm profile had a built in data wipe |
| 22:45.04 | summatusmentis | pawnshop7: afaik, no, but like I said, no guarantees |
| 22:45.28 | PatrickC | let me show a pic |
| 22:45.41 | scoutcamper | PatrickC, the wiki says exactly what to do, re-read that page, you will see it |
| 22:45.42 | pawnshop7 | again, thank you. |
| 22:46.36 | PatrickC | scoutcamper: the export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 22:47.18 | scoutcamper | yep |
| 22:47.26 | scoutcamper | then you have to install/boot a gui |
| 22:47.47 | PatrickC | I don't see that in the wiki |
| 22:47.59 | PatrickC | and in xorg I still only have the grey screen |
| 22:48.20 | scoutcamper | you wont get anything in xorg till you boot a gui |
| 22:48.32 | PatrickC | that's not in the wiki I'm reading.. |
| 22:48.37 | summatusmentis | sure thing pawnshop7 |
| 22:48.45 | PatrickC | http://en.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian_chroot |
| 22:48.54 | scoutcamper | the wiki you are reading is a chroot guide, not an x-server guide |
| 22:49.02 | PatrickC | ah |
| 22:50.42 | PatrickC | scoutcamper: when you search X-Server on the wiki, I don't see a guide |
| 22:50.50 | scoutcamper | correct |
| 22:51.00 | PatrickC | I'm lost lol |
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| 22:51.10 | PatrickC | where is it documented? |
| 22:51.17 | scoutcamper | because x-server requires a working knowledge of linux, if you cant figure out how to install/boot a gui, dont do a chroot |
| 22:51.49 | PatrickC | I have some knowledge of linux.. I've never had to do that before |
| 22:51.55 | PatrickC | the gui is always pre-installed |
| 22:52.02 | scoutcamper | not on real linux |
| 22:52.07 | PatrickC | what does a chroot without a gui do you? |
| 22:52.20 | summatusmentis | oh come now, "real linux" :-P |
| 22:52.22 | PatrickC | ubuntu/xubuntu/puppylinux are the ones I've run |
| 22:52.38 | scoutcamper | PatrickC, google is your friend now |
| 22:52.44 | PatrickC | ok.. |
| 22:53.14 | summatusmentis | PatrickC: a chroot changes the environment to point to a new root file-system. without the xserver, it'll act like a normal command-line linux install |
| 22:53.30 | PatrickC | ah |
| 22:53.38 | summatusmentis | if there are things you want it to do, googling will help you figure out the process to get there |
| 22:53.40 | PatrickC | so it'll be like a regular linux cmd line? |
| 22:53.45 | summatusmentis | yes |
| 22:53.50 | PatrickC | I'm wanting to get the gui up |
| 22:54.00 | summatusmentis | it's basically a minimal debian cli install |
| 22:54.55 | summatusmentis | ok, then I'd suggest googling how to do that |
| 22:54.55 | PatrickC | ok. |
| 22:55.10 | PatrickC | now I have to figure out what to google.. |
| 22:55.40 | summatusmentis | part of the reason there's not really a webos-internals tutorial on this is because the goal of a chroot very much depends on the user |
| 22:56.28 | PatrickC | ok.. I figured there would still be a tutorial on how to get the gui working.. |
| 22:57.11 | PatrickC | and. nothing I google works.. |
| 22:57.13 | summatusmentis | I assume it's a relatively new process |
| 22:57.45 | summatusmentis | well, you're looking for how to install a gui on debian |
| 22:58.01 | summatusmentis | someone said earlier that lxde and e17 are the only ones that work right now |
| 22:58.14 | PatrickC | ok thanks |
| 22:58.27 | summatusmentis | I haven't done this, so I don't actually know what to tell you beyond generic things |
| 22:59.11 | PatrickC | if I have the XOrg Server from preware installed, that's my "x-windows-system-core" correct? |
| 22:59.39 | summatusmentis | no idea |
| 22:59.43 | PatrickC | ok.. |
| 22:59.48 | PatrickC | dtzWill: ? |
| 22:59.50 | summatusmentis | like I said, I haven't done this |
| 23:00.10 | summatusmentis | although, I doubt it |
| 23:00.22 | rwhitby | suggests folks who don't understand choots or X servers wait until stuff is in a testing feed |
| 23:00.22 | summatusmentis | chroot uses a different rootfs than the webOS install |
| 23:01.16 | PatrickC | rwhitby: is xorg server for the pre not in the feeds?t |
| 23:01.20 | PatrickC | hats where I got it |
| 23:01.32 | summatusmentis | the chroot is not in the feeds |
| 23:01.35 | summatusmentis | they're different things |
| 23:02.03 | dtzWill | PatrickC: sorry, sup? |
| 23:02.35 | PatrickC | I'm trying to get the gui working. is the xorg server in preware the same thing as a x-window-server-core ? |
| 23:03.25 | PatrickC | I'm following http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/gui.htm |
| 23:03.59 | summatusmentis | PatrickC: something to consider: based on what people are saying, this stuff is still pre-beta, which means you may run into things that no one else has seen yet, or figured out a fix to (in the context of webos) |
| 23:04.13 | PatrickC | summatusmentis: ok.. |
| 23:04.15 | summatusmentis | which is why scoutcamper and rwhitby are suggesting you wait a while, I assume |
| 23:04.46 | PatrickC | ok.. I figured this was already done for the pre.. as I remember OOO was running a while ago |
| 23:05.29 | summatusmentis | doesn't mean all the kinks are worked out yet |
| 23:06.15 | dwc- | lxde and e17? twm! twm is the standard! |
| 23:06.16 | rwhitby | PatrickC: put simply, if you need to ask questions then you are not ready to be doing this stuff. |
| 23:06.44 | PatrickC | rwhitby: ok.. |
| 23:06.46 | rwhitby | go and do private research, and come back when you understand the underlying concepts, or wait until it's published for general use. |
| 23:07.01 | rwhitby | otherwise you are simply wasting the time of the people who are working on it. |
| 23:07.32 | rwhitby | the goal of this is to get stuff in the feed for *everyone* to use, not to get you personally being able to use it. |
| 23:07.48 | PatrickC | ok |
| 23:07.48 | dwc- | if you want to play around with chroots a little easier... try it on a desktop/laptop inside of another install |
| 23:08.32 | summatusmentis | they're neat things |
| 23:08.42 | PatrickC | I'll look into them |
| 23:08.49 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 23:08.50 | dwc- | if set up properly, and nothing is running as root inside of them :p |
| 23:09.09 | PatrickC | see what I can get. its nice to have a cli linux with me at all times :) |
| 23:10.35 | PatrickC | bbl |
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| 23:40.43 | zz1k | can you get free app catalogs any way through preware |
| 23:40.52 | PatrickC | huh? |
| 23:42.15 | zz1k | can you get free apps through preware like iphones cydia has an app installous where you can get free apps |
| 23:42.59 | PatrickC | zz1k: that's illegal |
| 23:43.12 | PatrickC | if you are talking about getting apps that normally cost money for free |
| 23:43.14 | zz1k | oh |
| 23:43.30 | zz1k | yeah |
| 23:44.29 | PatrickC | wow.. |
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| 23:52.18 | palm | how do you get doom the game my preware didn't have it |
| 23:54.34 | palm | ? |
| 23:54.42 | PuffTheMagic | http://thisismynext.com/2011/07/08/exclusive-pre-3-not-coming-sprint/ |
| 23:55.08 | palm | what will this do |
| 23:57.06 | palm | how do I get doom on my preware |
| 23:57.21 | summatusmentis | PuffTheMagic: :( :( :9 |
| 23:57.49 | palm | what? |
| 23:58.00 | cryptk | palm, looks like it isn't in the feeds anymore |
| 23:58.06 | cryptk | not sure why it isn't there |
| 23:58.28 | cryptk | likely because it broke at some point and nobody has fixed it yet |
| 23:59.05 | palm | so icant get it until they fix it |
| 23:59.35 | cryptk | the source is available in our git repo, you could always fix it and then submit a patch |