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| 00:14.43 | siestacat | does linphone support bluetooth headsets at the moment? |
| 00:15.01 | siestacat | I've got it working with a totally free service |
| 00:16.42 | flare576 | chroot question: if I was |
| 00:17.17 | flare576 | grrr, that Bluetooth keyboard can't get here soon enough |
| 00:17.24 | siestacat | and could someone re-link me to wIRC .4.6 again? |
| 00:17.44 | siestacat | that was floating around yesterday |
| 00:20.17 | flare576 | chroot question: if I want windows manager & desktop environment to start automagically, I'd update chroot_wrapper.sh, yes? |
| 00:20.55 | flare576 | probably with some sort of forking process... |
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| 00:24.22 | dawm|laptop | anyone around, need some frankenpre2 help |
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| 00:25.36 | siestacat | wIRC update to fix disconnecting? |
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| 00:26.20 | drobbins | just got a touchpad |
| 00:27.03 | drobbins | jefferai: yo |
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| 00:33.03 | rwhitby | dawm|laptop: what meta-doctor script did you use? |
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| 00:33.26 | PatrickC | wow |
| 00:33.50 | PatrickC | webOS just kicked me off my wifi network, and "forgot" the password to it |
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| 00:34.59 | Muhb | <rwhitby> good thing you've got a daily backup ... <-- no, I don't, because I can't sign in to my palm profile :( |
| 00:35.04 | Muhb | or use the app store |
| 00:35.10 | Muhb | or anything that requires a profile |
| 00:35.26 | siestacat | I disabled backups |
| 00:35.40 | dwc- | siestacat: 0.4.6 is in the feeds afaict |
| 00:35.46 | Muhb | <dawm|laptop> anyone around, need some frankenpre2 help <-- I'm doing something similar, atm... what's the trouble? |
| 00:36.08 | siestacat | dwx-: : thanks |
| 00:36.34 | flare576 | I've been on all day w/ zero dc |
| 00:36.50 | flare576 | wIRC on TP |
| 00:36.50 | dwc- | I got a phone call while I was out and my plugin crashed again :( |
| 00:37.06 | dwc- | notes edge, not 3g for data |
| 00:37.28 | drobbins | webos is pretty cool |
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| 00:37.52 | drobbins | this is my first webos device, just enabled developer mode |
| 00:38.03 | Muhb | At this point, I might just call Palm and tell them I would like the email tied to my palm profile freed up |
| 00:38.08 | Muhb | so I can recreate it |
| 00:38.09 | flare576 | drobbins: understatement of the year :) |
| 00:38.21 | Muhb | what device are you working on, drobbins? |
| 00:38.26 | drobbins | looking forward to playing with it and maybe even getting active in the homebrew community |
| 00:38.34 | drobbins | Muhb: just grabbed a touchpad 32GB |
| 00:38.38 | Muhb | nice |
| 00:39.01 | drobbins | I'm getting really sick of Apple stuff, esp. after MacOS Lion |
| 00:39.09 | flare576 | It's an amazing community :) |
| 00:39.10 | drobbins | not really happy with that |
| 00:39.14 | drobbins | cool |
| 00:39.18 | drobbins | community is key. |
| 00:39.34 | drobbins | a coworker always raved about WebOS and how awesome it was |
| 00:39.43 | flare576 | I'm actually on irc via my 32GB TP :) |
| 00:39.48 | drobbins | nice |
| 00:39.57 | drobbins | so I am in the first steps of unlocking this thing |
| 00:40.07 | Muhb | ...................................................... |
| 00:40.12 | drobbins | just bumped into developer mode |
| 00:40.14 | Muhb | HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THIS |
| 00:40.15 | Muhb | oversight of the MONTH |
| 00:40.19 | dwc- | that's actually the last step too :P |
| 00:40.19 | Muhb | I'm so stupid |
| 00:40.25 | flare576 | best place to start is the homebrew guide in the app store and the wiki |
| 00:40.36 | Muhb | palm.com/profile has a REMOVE THIS DEVICE FROM MY ACCOUNT option |
| 00:40.38 | Muhb | :| |
| 00:40.41 | flare576 | oh no Muhb.... |
| 00:40.47 | Muhb | maybe now it'll work |
| 00:40.48 | flare576 | lol |
| 00:41.01 | Muhb | SIGHS |
| 00:41.03 | Muhb | here goes nothin |
| 00:41.04 | flare576 | crosses his fingers |
| 00:41.05 | dawm|laptop | just doctored my frankenpre2 for sprint and cant login to my profile, some romtoken error any ideas? |
| 00:41.40 | Muhb | dawm|laptop: did you update castle.xml per the instructions at http://forums.precentral.net/webos-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html ? |
| 00:42.00 | dawm|laptop | no that wasnt in the wiki guide |
| 00:42.36 | dawm|laptop | i ran the frankenpre for sprint script |
| 00:42.39 | Muhb | wait, are you swapping a comms board or upgrading to an unsupported webos version? |
| 00:42.47 | Muhb | maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're doing exactly |
| 00:42.48 | dawm|laptop | board swap |
| 00:42.51 | Muhb | ah |
| 00:42.57 | dawm|laptop | sprint pre- board to pre2 |
| 00:43.01 | Muhb | k |
| 00:43.18 | dawm|laptop | i rebuilt the doctor gonna try that again just incase i may have goofed |
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| 00:43.39 | Muhb | sounds good |
| 00:43.39 | flare576 | hmm, I've been "away" this whole time... oops. |
| 00:43.55 | Muhb | if that fails, try updating castle.xml with the values from the pre- comms board |
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| 00:44.25 | dawm|laptop | so you mean take it back apart and put the pre- back together.. fun |
| 00:44.30 | rrix | hmmm, sdlterminal doesn't work at all on the touchpad |
| 00:44.36 | rrix | I'm already in love with this thing though |
| 00:45.18 | Muhb | I don't think that's required |
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| 00:46.00 | flare576 | rrix: do you have a bt keyboard" |
| 00:46.12 | drobbins | flare576: tell me about your irc setup |
| 00:46.59 | rrix | flare576: nope |
| 00:47.01 | flare576 | drobbins: once you've got preware installed, search for wIRE and install it like any app :) |
| 00:47.07 | drobbins | ok |
| 00:47.19 | javispedro | *wIRC |
| 00:47.22 | drobbins | flare576: I assume you are using a keyboard |
| 00:48.01 | flare576 | rrix: ok, was gonna suggest xecutah+xterm, but w/o a keyboard it's tricky right now... |
| 00:48.07 | rrix | flare576: indeed |
| 00:48.11 | flare576 | drobbins: nope, not yet |
| 00:48.17 | drobbins | ah |
| 00:48.27 | drobbins | saw the hp keyboard at the store, but held off on it |
| 00:48.31 | drobbins | I guess any bt keyboard will do? |
| 00:48.32 | flare576 | should be here Wednesday lol |
| 00:48.32 | trsohmers | Quick question... can you use almost any bluetooth keyboard with a webOS device? |
| 00:48.38 | drobbins | heh |
| 00:48.46 | trsohmers | Because I've used my Motorola Xoom's bluetooth keyboard with a mac before... |
| 00:48.52 | drobbins | conversation converging on "bt keyboard" |
| 00:48.55 | rrix | I guess I could try to make ajaxterm work |
| 00:48.57 | flare576 | yeah, but the HP one has some special keys for webOS |
| 00:49.11 | trsohmers | But would just the regular keys work and all? |
| 00:49.55 | flare576 | trsohmers: everything I've read said any bt keyboard should do with few exceptions, mostly older devices |
| 00:50.38 | flare576 | brb, bathing baby time! |
| 00:50.40 | rwhitby | Muhb: use rsync for a daily backup - don't trust Palm backups |
| 00:50.58 | trsohmers | Really liking the Touchpad so far... just limited on apps, but I havent rooted and installed preware yet. |
| 00:51.16 | dawm|laptop | theres no rooting ;p |
| 00:51.26 | rwhitby | drobbins: welcome |
| 00:51.39 | rwhitby | trsohmers: what are you waiting for ? ;) |
| 00:52.00 | trsohmers | rwhitby: Not at a computer where I can install the sdk |
| 00:52.01 | PatrickC | dawm|laptop: get the Pre fixed? |
| 00:52.11 | dawm|laptop | working on it, trying the doctor once more |
| 00:52.13 | Muhb | rwhitby: Oh, I don't trust palm... before redoctoring I made sure to download ipks for all my patches and apps, haha... |
| 00:52.25 | dawm|laptop | phone works, and data, but no txt or profile access |
| 00:52.26 | Muhb | but I would like to at least be able to sign into my profile in order to get app catalog access |
| 00:52.36 | trsohmers | You shouldn't trust palm... they are no longer in business :P |
| 00:52.39 | drobbins | rwhitby: thanks |
| 00:52.39 | Muhb | it wouldn't be an issue if HP hadn't removed the feeds preware depended on :( |
| 00:52.41 | rwhitby | drobbins: PuffTheMagic is our Gentoo evangelist here, if you want any info on building stuff on Gentoo. |
| 00:52.51 | Muhb | but... as it is... I can't think of any other route. |
| 00:52.57 | drobbins | rwhitby: ok cool |
| 00:53.17 | trsohmers | So have most of you guys been here since the Pre was released? |
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| 00:53.37 | Muhb | I waited until the price dropped for the pre |
| 00:53.52 | dawm|laptop | i got it on a price mistake |
| 00:53.53 | Muhb | then pre plus came out and I waited a bit longer |
| 00:53.57 | Muhb | finally got it last year |
| 00:54.03 | dawm|laptop | few months after it came out |
| 00:54.06 | rwhitby | drobbins: we mainly use Ubuntu for our official build support, just for ease of user support (focus on one distro and all that) |
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| 00:54.30 | drobbins | rwhitby: I forgive you |
| 00:54.43 | rwhitby | drobbins: and I won't hold it against you ;) |
| 00:54.56 | drobbins | thanks |
| 00:54.58 | drobbins | :P |
| 00:55.13 | Muhb | slackware > ubuntu :D |
| 00:55.16 | Muhb | runs and hides |
| 00:55.22 | dawm|laptop | PatrickC: looks like it worked, Sprint is back in the corner, was able to login to profile, its gathering my data now |
| 00:55.31 | Muhb | congrats! |
| 00:56.00 | rwhitby | only uses the command-line GUI-less subset of Linux distros through an SSH terminal session to a VM anyway, so says "meh" to OS debates ;) |
| 00:56.34 | dawm|laptop | except its stuck with a spinner after saying 'Setup Complete' |
| 00:56.57 | rwhitby | dawm|laptop: that's normal for an activation bypass, if that's what you did, |
| 00:57.00 | trsohmers | So I am probably going to be returning this 32gb touchpad next week... only reason I got this one was because Staples was completely sold out (Entire warehouse was out) because of the new $200 off |
| 00:57.13 | dawm|laptop | didnt bypass |
| 00:57.26 | trsohmers | and I'll try to trade it in and get $100 back, and then get the 16gb |
| 00:57.26 | dawm|laptop | i think it crashed |
| 00:57.28 | dawm|laptop | yep crashed |
| 00:57.40 | drobbins | rwhitby: I only use ssh too |
| 00:58.11 | rwhitby | drobbins: let me know if you want to contribute a Gentoo chroot minimal image to Xecutah - I'd have no problem with adding that. |
| 00:58.27 | drobbins | rwhitby: ok |
| 00:58.35 | drobbins | rwhitby: what is Xecutah? :) |
| 00:59.01 | drobbins | rwhitby: so I can run gentoo on my touchpad? |
| 00:59.03 | rwhitby | drobbins: front-end to running a chroot as root and rendering on X server in a card |
| 00:59.13 | rwhitby | drobbins: easily. |
| 00:59.17 | drobbins | cool |
| 00:59.22 | drobbins | will need to play with that. |
| 00:59.30 | rwhitby | ~testing-feeds |
| 00:59.30 | infobot | it has been said that testing-feeds is a means of testing new WebOS Internals products, documented at http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Testing_Feeds |
| 00:59.34 | trsohmers | Wait, so you guys got X running ontop of the webOS launcher? |
| 00:59.34 | Muhb | http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/2/2b/Spr_4h_103.png <-- "Xecutah!" |
| 00:59.46 | Muhb | yeah |
| 00:59.53 | Muhb | long time ago, haha |
| 00:59.58 | rwhitby | drobbins: get the testing feeds set up in your Preware |
| 01:00.13 | trsohmers | ...I've been trying to do the same thing on Android for 4 months |
| 01:00.18 | rwhitby | drobbins: you'll likely want to resize your USB partition to make room for an ext3fs partition to do this stuff in. |
| 01:00.21 | trsohmers | barley any progress |
| 01:00.26 | Muhb | http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/webos-port-of-xorg-in-the-works-openoffice-support-the-inevitab/ <-- trsohmers |
| 01:00.33 | drobbins | rwhitby: glad I got the 32GB one then. |
| 01:00.37 | rwhitby | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot |
| 01:00.39 | drobbins | or you use USB for it? |
| 01:00.43 | rwhitby | I set aside 8GB myself |
| 01:01.17 | rwhitby | you can do a file loopfs if you like, but it make USB mode stop working. The separate LVM partition is the best way (IMHO) |
| 01:01.28 | drobbins | ok |
| 01:01.48 | rwhitby | the webOS doctor even treats the additional LVM volume with respect and doesn't blow it away |
| 01:02.13 | drobbins | neat |
| 01:02.57 | rwhitby | drobbins: the resize can be done without doctoring if you know what you're doing |
| 01:03.07 | trsohmers | rwhitby: Xecutah automates the entire chroot process? |
| 01:03.33 | rwhitby | trsohmers: we have a package which you install in the ext3fs partition from Preware, and then Xecutah does the chroot and drops you in an xterm |
| 01:03.56 | rwhitby | you add packages in the chroot and set up your X environment as you choose from there |
| 01:04.29 | drobbins | maybe I can get some funtoo stuff happening on webos |
| 01:04.30 | trsohmers | OK... I currently have chroot images for Android, Meego, Maemo, and a non working iOS image. |
| 01:05.32 | Muhb | I sincerely hope this is the last time I ever have to run webosdoctor on this device. :( |
| 01:05.49 | Muhb | at this rate I'm liable to wear out the chip, I JUST KNOW IT ;-; |
| 01:05.52 | trsohmers | Is there anyway you can just put the .img of the rootfs of the OS and have Xecutah run it from there? Get rid of needing to partition your device. |
| 01:05.58 | rrix | hmm, how can I get the touchpad's keyboard to appear when it doesnt think it should? |
| 01:06.28 | rwhitby | trsohmers: you can loopfs mount it |
| 01:06.29 | Muhb | trsohmers: loop device |
| 01:06.43 | drobbins | ok |
| 01:06.48 | drobbins | so I have webos quick install running |
| 01:06.50 | rwhitby | trsohmers: but if you loopfs mount something from /media/internal (the only place big enough) you break USB mode |
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| 01:07.14 | Muhb | really? |
| 01:07.18 | trsohmers | Oh fun |
| 01:07.31 | Muhb | I believe I've mounted stuff from /media/internal before... |
| 01:07.31 | Muhb | this was a while ago though |
| 01:07.45 | trsohmers | Do any webOS devices have micro sdcards? |
| 01:08.01 | Muhb | I don't believe so. :( |
| 01:08.09 | Muhb | major downside. |
| 01:08.40 | rrix | 16gb isn't enough for you? :P |
| 01:08.41 | Muhb | then again, I've only had experience with the pre-, pre+, and veer, dunno about the pre2 or the tablet |
| 01:08.51 | Muhb | NO. >:( |
| 01:08.53 | Muhb | :p |
| 01:08.58 | rrix | lol |
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| 01:09.06 | rrix | hmmm ajaxterm would work if I could get the keyboard to appear :| |
| 01:09.09 | rwhitby | Muhb: USB mode actually umounts /media/internal - if you have a loopfs mounted from it that breaks |
| 01:09.38 | Muhb | ohhhhhhhhhh |
| 01:09.42 | Muhb | you mean while it's plugged in |
| 01:09.44 | Muhb | gotcha |
| 01:09.51 | rwhitby | yep |
| 01:09.56 | Muhb | sorry, I'm slow today |
| 01:10.02 | Muhb | frustrated with this stupid meta doctor |
| 01:10.04 | Muhb | lol |
| 01:10.06 | rwhitby | some people don't care about that so just use a loopfs |
| 01:10.31 | rwhitby | ka6sox and I are working on a partition resize/create app. |
| 01:10.40 | Muhb | awesome. |
| 01:10.41 | Muhb | that would be useful |
| 01:11.01 | Muhb | ................I just had a horrible thought. |
| 01:11.13 | trsohmers | ...? |
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| 01:11.36 | Muhb | it would SUCK if the only reason I'm having problems with this stupid palm profile sign in process, is because I'm using cygwin to doctor these webos images together... |
| 01:11.38 | Muhb | :X |
| 01:11.58 | Muhb | I completely forgot about that. |
| 01:12.04 | dwc- | I can still access my /media/internal while in usb mode |
| 01:12.10 | dwc- | I messed up my fs that way once |
| 01:12.16 | Muhb | haha, fun |
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| 01:16.33 | PuffTheMagic | drobbins, i have gentoo on my TP ;) |
| 01:19.01 | drobbins | PuffTheMagic: cool |
| 01:19.07 | drobbins | PuffTheMagic: do you chroot into it? |
| 01:19.39 | drobbins | PuffTheMagic: got a native compiler or a cross-compiler? |
| 01:20.33 | rwhitby | bbl |
| 01:20.47 | PuffTheMagic | i crosscompile starting with an arm stage7 then rysnc it over |
| 01:20.59 | PuffTheMagic | that was my workflow for my pre/pixi |
| 01:21.06 | drobbins | ah neat. |
| 01:21.08 | PuffTheMagic | i might consider getting a native compiler on the TP though |
| 01:21.48 | PuffTheMagic | its probably fast enough to keep a system up to date, i dont think i would start from a fresh stage3 though |
| 01:23.17 | drobbins | yeah |
| 01:23.30 | PatrickC | Govnah 1.0.0! |
| 01:23.34 | drobbins | so do you drop to a console mode to run gentoo? |
| 01:23.41 | drobbins | does webos get disabled? |
| 01:23.50 | drobbins | or can you keep it running? |
| 01:23.55 | ka6sox | I use an xterm |
| 01:24.12 | PuffTheMagic | you can use it many ways |
| 01:24.42 | drobbins | neat. |
| 01:24.43 | PuffTheMagic | Xecutah! will allow you to run x11 apps in a card |
| 01:24.51 | PuffTheMagic | so you dont have to leave webos/luna |
| 01:24.57 | drobbins | that's really cool |
| 01:25.03 | PuffTheMagic | or you can just kill luna and run what ever you want |
| 01:25.20 | drobbins | I mainly use console |
| 01:25.26 | drobbins | or ssh |
| 01:25.44 | PuffTheMagic | thats typically what I do also |
| 01:25.58 | PuffTheMagic | drobbins, you gonna start maintaining a funtoo arm stage3? |
| 01:26.15 | drobbins | PuffTheMagic: maybe, if you wanna help me out a bit |
| 01:26.26 | drobbins | PuffTheMagic: I could integrate support for it into metro maybe |
| 01:27.17 | drobbins | that would make it easier to create updated builds |
| 01:27.50 | PuffTheMagic | ya I will have to checkout metro, i have to say, i havent been too hardcore in the gentoo/funtoo stuff as I used to be a few years ago... too many webos projects to work on |
| 01:28.03 | Muhb | anyone know what the user agent of the webos 2.1.0 app store is? |
| 01:28.15 | Muhb | can't use wireshark to capture it at the moment, unfortunately |
| 01:28.34 | PatrickC | user agent? |
| 01:28.36 | Muhb | or any app store, for that matter |
| 01:28.37 | Muhb | yeah |
| 01:28.42 | Muhb | I assume it has one |
| 01:28.56 | PatrickC | has never heard that term before.. |
| 01:29.02 | PatrickC | it probably has one though |
| 01:29.05 | PatrickC | I just don't know it |
| 01:29.54 | Muhb | it's a string that identifies itself by browser, engine, OS, and version |
| 01:30.12 | drobbins | wow, the webos update is taking a long time |
| 01:30.27 | ka6sox | the one from HP? |
| 01:30.36 | ka6sox | hopefully its not our servers.... |
| 01:30.46 | Muhb | http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ |
| 01:31.42 | Muhb | hmm... quick question... will tapping "emergency call" get me access to the phone app, or will it immediately dial 911? :X |
| 01:31.54 | Muhb | is afraid to touch it |
| 01:31.55 | PuffTheMagic | try and find out :D |
| 01:32.01 | Muhb | bad idea... lol... |
| 01:33.23 | Muhb | Considering not too long ago I saw a patch in Preware for the 1.4.5 version of the Phone app that "disabled automatic dialing of emergency numbers, requires user to push the talk button to dial" (or something along those lines) it's probably safe to assume it'll just dial right away... |
| 01:33.27 | Muhb | sigh |
| 01:33.29 | Muhb | oh well |
| 01:34.29 | PatrickC | Muhb: need the dialer at the activation screen? |
| 01:34.36 | Muhb | yeah |
| 01:34.41 | PatrickC | hit "Opt + ##" |
| 01:34.47 | PatrickC | on the physical kb |
| 01:35.13 | Muhb | not doing anything |
| 01:35.17 | PatrickC | or Opt + #* on GSM devices |
| 01:35.22 | PatrickC | hold Opt* |
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| 01:35.56 | Muhb | yeah the gsm device did it |
| 01:35.58 | Muhb | :D |
| 01:36.05 | Muhb | Nice, I NEVER KNEW about that |
| 01:36.05 | PatrickC | Option and ## (BB) on CDMA or Option and #* (BZ) |
| 01:36.08 | PatrickC | :) |
| 01:36.10 | Muhb | dang this would have come in handy |
| 01:36.17 | PatrickC | 2.1? |
| 01:36.38 | Muhb | yup! |
| 01:36.50 | PatrickC | type #*3386633# |
| 01:36.58 | PatrickC | to bypass activation |
| 01:37.06 | PatrickC | and enable dev mode |
| 01:37.22 | Muhb | is that #*DEVMODE#? |
| 01:37.26 | PatrickC | yep |
| 01:37.29 | Muhb | I just typed that in to see if it was enabled |
| 01:37.33 | Muhb | it is |
| 01:37.43 | Muhb | hmm |
| 01:37.46 | PatrickC | ok, what did you need the dialer for? |
| 01:37.51 | PatrickC | to bypass activation? |
| 01:37.58 | Muhb | to bypass palm profile creation |
| 01:38.00 | Muhb | so I can enable wifi |
| 01:38.06 | Muhb | so I can try creating a profile again |
| 01:38.07 | Muhb | lol |
| 01:38.09 | Muhb | it's a mess |
| 01:38.17 | Muhb | too much dependence on people having data plans :( |
| 01:38.19 | PatrickC | best way is to make a meta doctor that allows that |
| 01:38.37 | Muhb | I was tired of meta-doctoring so I went with a stock meta-att-preplus-2.1.0 install |
| 01:39.25 | Muhb | I've tried meta-doctoring doctors that will bypass activation and let me enable wifi, but then when I run the Gesture Tutorial (aka Firstuse) it won't give me the screen for entering my email. |
| 01:39.38 | Muhb | :( |
| 01:39.42 | Muhb | or it locks up the device. |
| 01:39.49 | PatrickC | was airplane mode enabled? |
| 01:39.51 | Muhb | one or the other, depending on how annoying it feels like being. |
| 01:40.05 | Muhb | during the gesture tut? no |
| 01:40.13 | PatrickC | airplane mode has to be *disabled* For it to work |
| 01:40.14 | PatrickC | odd |
| 01:40.25 | PatrickC | ok, well do this |
| 01:40.35 | PatrickC | #*DEVMODE# |
| 01:40.39 | PatrickC | and disable it, reboot |
| 01:40.47 | Muhb | but then how will I enable wifi? |
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| 01:41.05 | PatrickC | we'll get to that part in a second :) |
| 01:41.10 | Muhb | disabled... after it reboots, what next? |
| 01:41.18 | PatrickC | re-enable it |
| 01:41.26 | Muhb | to bypass activation? |
| 01:41.29 | PatrickC | yep |
| 01:41.33 | Muhb | k |
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| 01:41.50 | Muhb | I have a feeling this is going to end up being a manual way of what the meta-doctor came up with, but anything's worth a shot at this point |
| 01:41.58 | PatrickC | then in the meta-doctor folder you git-clone'd, there is a "bypass activation" patch |
| 01:42.02 | siestacat_comput | Hi, is there a toggle to use Linphone not-on speaker phone? |
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| 01:42.21 | Muhb | dude you have linphone? |
| 01:42.29 | Muhb | I was looking for that a while back, heh |
| 01:42.40 | PatrickC | rwhitby handles that iirc |
| 01:43.24 | Muhb | re-enabling dev-mode... restart? |
| 01:43.37 | PatrickC | yep |
| 01:43.53 | PatrickC | and lemme get the path to the patch |
| 01:44.00 | Muhb | but |
| 01:44.08 | PatrickC | but what? |
| 01:44.24 | Muhb | isn't the patch automatically applied with BYPASS_ACTIVATION = 1? |
| 01:44.26 | Muhb | in the makefile? |
| 01:44.32 | PatrickC | could be |
| 01:44.36 | PatrickC | you can check |
| 01:44.43 | Muhb | I've tampered with that a few times, no luck |
| 01:44.47 | PatrickC | if not, I'll show you where the patch is |
| 01:44.47 | siestacat_comput | Just read the wiki page |
| 01:44.48 | Muhb | and BYPASS_FIRST_USE_APP |
| 01:44.57 | siestacat_comput | It needs to be brought to the front speaker |
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| 01:45.23 | PatrickC | those should have bypassed the activation scene and popped you to the main scene |
| 01:45.31 | Muhb | yup |
| 01:45.41 | Muhb | but then I couldn't bring up the screen that asks for email afterwards. |
| 01:45.57 | Muhb | it was a working, unlocked GSM device, but no app catalog access, because there's no palm profile on record. |
| 01:46.05 | PatrickC | well, if it doesn't work. use the file from meta-doctor/patches/webos-2.1.0 |
| 01:46.15 | Muhb | it just brought me to the main scene |
| 01:46.27 | trsohmers | Anyone else here with a touchpad? |
| 01:46.33 | Muhb | enables wifi |
| 01:46.52 | PatrickC | Muhb: now, leave the cell radio enabled |
| 01:46.53 | flare576 | trsohmers: yup |
| 01:46.56 | trsohmers | I'm curious... there is this little popout tray thing on the bottom side of the touchpad.. on the back of it it has the serial number and some other things |
| 01:47.04 | trsohmers | Any idea what the purpose of it is? |
| 01:47.14 | trsohmers | or is it just for the serial number.. |
| 01:47.28 | flare576 | trsohmers: hold serial # for doctor version discovery. |
| 01:47.55 | trsohmers | so is the webOS doctor everyone is talking about just a recovery program? |
| 01:48.02 | trsohmers | re installs the OS? |
| 01:48.18 | flare576 | version-specific recovery tool |
| 01:48.32 | trsohmers | OK... and are there any bootloader tools available? |
| 01:48.49 | Muhb | PatrickC: wifi and phone radio are both up and running |
| 01:48.56 | Muhb | though it says I'm roaming, which is weird, it didn't say that a few hours ago |
| 01:49.02 | Muhb | it would be my luck if a tower lost power somewhere |
| 01:49.04 | Muhb | :P |
| 01:49.24 | flare576 | trsohmers: out of my area of expertise... |
| 01:49.31 | Muhb | ........whoaaaaaaa |
| 01:49.33 | Muhb | what |
| 01:49.34 | trsohmers | ok, lol |
| 01:49.34 | PatrickC | Muhb: brb. just try and see :) |
| 01:49.36 | Muhb | I have more apps than I should |
| 01:49.42 | trsohmers | thanks |
| 01:49.53 | Muhb | I have WAY more apps than I should |
| 01:50.09 | trsohmers | flare576: how long does it take you to charge your touchpad? |
| 01:50.11 | trsohmers | on average |
| 01:50.36 | Muhb | PatrickC: no luck, gesture tutorial just goes through the tutorial... no email request or chance to log into a palm profile. :( |
| 01:50.58 | flare576 | trsohmers: only charged it once so far, 2hrs? maybe 3 |
| 01:51.25 | trsohmers | Hmm... its at 88%, and I have had it on the charger for 5 1/2 hours |
| 01:51.40 | trsohmers | though I have been using it during that time |
| 01:51.42 | flare576 | touchpad is ~40% slower than straight wall charger. |
| 01:51.51 | PatrickC | Muhb: use the file from meta-doctor/patches/webos-2.1.0 that /should/ work |
| 01:51.59 | trsohmers | what do you mean by that, flare? |
| 01:52.13 | flare576 | trsohmers: do you have govnah yet? |
| 01:52.43 | Muhb | PatrickC: what should it do? the phone is already activated and working, I just need to tie it with my profile |
| 01:52.55 | NuttyBunny | flare576: do you charge your phone with a touchpad? how do you do that? touch to charge? :) |
| 01:53.10 | PatrickC | that should allow you to bypass needing data for a profile |
| 01:53.35 | Muhb | ...you NEED data for a profile? |
| 01:53.37 | trsohmers | flare576: Haven't hacked this yet |
| 01:53.37 | Muhb | facepalms |
| 01:53.39 | trsohmers | or anything |
| 01:53.45 | Muhb | is THAT why having WiFi alone hasn't been working? |
| 01:53.47 | flare576 | sorry, mistyped: touchSTONE is 40% slower. |
| 01:53.48 | trsohmers | Havent been at a computer to install the SDK yet |
| 01:54.05 | PatrickC | Muhb: generally you need data for a profile |
| 01:54.11 | trsohmers | Ah... I didn't buy any accessories... just using the wall charger |
| 01:54.11 | PatrickC | but that patch changes that |
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| 01:54.33 | Muhb | well that explains everything... |
| 01:54.41 | flare576 | trsohmers: once you do you can see the amp draw, then see how fast the charge is happening. |
| 01:54.51 | PatrickC | that patch should fix your problem |
| 01:54.51 | Muhb | so, assuming this works, the gesture tut should detect my wifi signal and use THAT to ask for my email? |
| 01:54.52 | trsohmers | OK, cool |
| 01:55.02 | Muhb | or am I running the wrong app? |
| 01:55.16 | Muhb | I noticed that com.palm.app.firstuse is now the gesture tutorial, so I assume that's what I need to be running |
| 01:55.18 | amistak | Quick question friends: I have a FrankenPrePlus on Sprint. Any easy way to reactivate this device? |
| 01:55.31 | PatrickC | Muhb: yes, that's what you need to run |
| 01:55.42 | PatrickC | the only thing I'm not sure of is if you can still make calls |
| 01:55.52 | PatrickC | I've only ever used that on *unactivated* devices |
| 01:56.03 | Muhb | mine's activated |
| 01:56.03 | trsohmers | Ok, going to go boot up my mac and hack this sucker |
| 01:56.16 | Muhb | I've used it on at&t, t-mobile, sprint... now back on t-mobile |
| 01:56.22 | flare576 | trsohmers: yay!!!! |
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| 01:58.01 | PatrickC | Muhb: if you want to use the patch, you can. but I don't garuntee 100% working phone after. it /should/ work like it does now (but have a profile) |
| 01:58.11 | PatrickC | but I can't guarantee that |
| 01:58.21 | Muhb | amistak: assuming you updated the tokens in castle.xml per the instructions at http://forums.precentral.net/webos-tips-information-resources/259077-pre-plus-sprint-step-step-conversion-guide.html , you should be able to activate the phone yourself through sprint's website, I believe. |
| 01:58.49 | Muhb | if anything breaks I suspect it'll be my profile, rather than my ability to use the phone |
| 01:59.02 | Muhb | but we'll see |
| 01:59.09 | PatrickC | as long as you understand the risks :) |
| 01:59.40 | Muhb | what risks? risks of more time wasted by redoctoring yet again? :D |
| 01:59.46 | amistak | I did indeed. The phone worked well before. Just my main died and this is the only device I have. I'm just wondering, if upon reactivating this device with Sprint, that it will work. |
| 01:59.48 | Muhb | no biggie! I'm willing to try anything at this point, haha... |
| 02:00.27 | PatrickC | Muhb: lol ok |
| 02:00.33 | Muhb | amistak: it should, the process worked well enough for me when I tried it. I just couldn't get my ESN/number updated because they wanted to charge me for a data plan that I didn't want, so I left sprint. |
| 02:00.50 | flare576 | I cannot wait for my by keyboard lol |
| 02:01.00 | amistak | ah excellent. well I will try it now then ty |
| 02:01.21 | ritalinhum | what's a by keyboard? |
| 02:01.34 | PatrickC | bluetooth keyboard |
| 02:01.54 | trsohmers | oy.. this is very different from any android stuff |
| 02:01.58 | flare576 | friggen auto correct |
| 02:02.00 | ritalinhum | oh |
| 02:02.23 | Muhb | erm... PatrickC, easy way to apply patches without having GNU patch installed on the device? :X |
| 02:02.38 | PatrickC | use webos quick install |
| 02:02.42 | flare576 | trsohmers: VERY different, yes |
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| 02:03.18 | flare576 | trsohmers: are you stuck, or just commenting? |
| 02:03.19 | Muhb | wosqi works with patch files? |
| 02:03.24 | Muhb | I did NOT know that... nice |
| 02:03.25 | trsohmers | Just commenting |
| 02:03.26 | PatrickC | yep |
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| 02:03.39 | trsohmers | downloading the SDK now.. see you guys on the other side |
| 02:03.41 | flare576 | Muhb: afaik, yup |
| 02:03.52 | flare576 | :-) |
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| 02:11.29 | Muhb | kk... so far so good... preware installed, gnu patch installed, lsdiff installed, bypass-activation.patch installed... |
| 02:12.14 | ka6sox | Muhb, how long have you been at this? |
| 02:12.37 | Muhb | off and on all day |
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| 02:12.54 | Muhb | if I had devoted as much attention to it earlier today as I am now, when I was less tired, I probably could have been done a lot sooner |
| 02:13.35 | Muhb | SUCCESS |
| 02:13.41 | Muhb | I THINK |
| 02:13.41 | Muhb | MAYBE |
| 02:13.46 | Muhb | shouldn't speak so soon |
| 02:14.20 | flare576 | lol, you think you'd learn ;-) |
| 02:14.38 | Muhb | Signing in... |
| 02:14.43 | Muhb | wait for it |
| 02:14.52 | Muhb | knows it'll fail |
| 02:15.13 | Muhb | ...well |
| 02:15.26 | Muhb | that was weird |
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| 02:15.44 | shingo | hiï½ï½ï½ï½ |
| 02:15.47 | Muhb | "Data not restored. We were unable to restore your data." <-- no kidding, considering I DELETED all of it |
| 02:15.51 | Muhb | I'm not sure if that's a success or a failure. |
| 02:15.55 | Muhb | now it's just messing with me |
| 02:16.37 | PatrickC | Muhb: sorry, idk about that one |
| 02:16.43 | Muhb | I don't either |
| 02:16.45 | Muhb | lol |
| 02:16.49 | Muhb | I hit the "try again" button at the bottom |
| 02:16.56 | Muhb | and now it says "You've already used this palm profile on another device" |
| 02:16.59 | Muhb | so I GUESS it worked |
| 02:17.01 | Muhb | but I don't know |
| 02:17.02 | Muhb | lol |
| 02:17.09 | Muhb | I'm dumbfounded at this point, this is craziness |
| 02:18.28 | flare576 | well, try your end-game: check app store! |
| 02:19.11 | Muhb | it's rebooting |
| 02:19.21 | flare576 | do it meow! |
| 02:19.24 | Muhb | I couldn't get out of the activation card because it took over fullscreen |
| 02:19.30 | Muhb | so I'm waiting for it to reboot, lol |
| 02:19.40 | Muhb | My phone appeared back in my palm.com/profile at least |
| 02:19.43 | Muhb | so it did SOMETHING |
| 02:19.45 | Muhb | I just don't know waht |
| 02:19.58 | Muhb | it's the wrong number and the wrong carrier |
| 02:20.00 | Muhb | but... meh |
| 02:20.02 | Muhb | I don't care anymore |
| 02:20.04 | Muhb | lol |
| 02:20.11 | dwc- | cat must have had a litter |
| 02:20.46 | PatrickC | dwc-: huh? |
| 02:20.52 | PatrickC | oh GrandmaAdora? |
| 02:20.56 | PatrickC | look over in #webos :P |
| 02:23.14 | Muhb | Device Info reports that my palm profile is my email! :D |
| 02:23.18 | Muhb | We're GETTING SOMEWHERE |
| 02:23.21 | Muhb | I like getting somewhere |
| 02:23.28 | Muhb | this is nice |
| 02:23.58 | PatrickC | yep :) |
| 02:24.05 | PatrickC | thanks wOSI for the patch |
| 02:24.12 | Muhb | IT WORKS |
| 02:24.12 | Muhb | APP CATALOG, WOOT |
| 02:24.37 | PatrickC | AWESOME |
| 02:24.40 | Muhb | PatrickC, thank you SO much for your help... I don't think I would have thought to try that patch, I figured it did the same thing that metadoctor did, which wasn't working at all. |
| 02:24.56 | PatrickC | no problem |
| 02:24.58 | Muhb | turns out post-install tweaking worked better than pre-install doctoring. |
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| 02:26.44 | Muhb | ugh |
| 02:26.59 | PatrickC | what? |
| 02:27.03 | Muhb | NOW I just need to figure out how to restore PalmDatabase.db3 information |
| 02:27.27 | PatrickC | Impostah iirc |
| 02:28.22 | Muhb | and all the contacts stored by #*66623# |
| 02:28.32 | Muhb | impostah can restore that information? |
| 02:28.34 | PatrickC | that I can't help with |
| 02:28.45 | PatrickC | impostah can restore profile backups |
| 02:28.51 | Muhb | interesting |
| 02:29.02 | Muhb | did not know that, I thought it just displayed information |
| 02:29.02 | PatrickC | but I use CDMA.. so.. sorry :/ |
| 02:29.16 | Muhb | CDMA should have 66623 |
| 02:29.26 | Muhb | only in the form of ##66623# |
| 02:29.41 | Muhb | From what I understand I just have to email the file to myself or open it with Internalz |
| 02:29.49 | Muhb | and the pre will take care of the rest |
| 02:29.53 | PatrickC | what is that? contacts? |
| 02:30.04 | PatrickC | yeah, cdma has the contacts exporter |
| 02:30.05 | Muhb | yeah, it's a contacts exporter |
| 02:30.15 | PatrickC | yep |
| 02:30.17 | Muhb | it throws them all into one giant file in /media/internal/.temp/ |
| 02:30.18 | PatrickC | I've used it |
| 02:30.28 | Muhb | so handy |
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| 02:51.54 | flare576 | anyone have time for some n00b questions about chroot and linux in general? |
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| 02:52.12 | Abyssul | PatrickC, ping |
| 02:52.19 | PatrickC | yes |
| 02:52.21 | PatrickC | ? |
| 02:52.25 | Abyssul | Im working on the patch |
| 02:52.32 | PatrickC | cool |
| 02:52.32 | Abyssul | Im thinking more of a scrim deal than a theme |
| 02:53.41 | dwc- | flare576: shoot |
| 02:54.13 | PatrickC | Abyssul: cool |
| 02:54.19 | Abyssul | I need a tester or two though |
| 02:54.24 | PatrickC | just send me screenshots/patch when done :) |
| 02:54.30 | PatrickC | I'm sure people would help :) |
| 02:55.04 | flare576 | I'd like to have metacity and lewd on launch of chroot... I think I found the file I need to edit, but I'm not 100% sure |
| 02:55.35 | dwc- | patrick would get along well with Glados |
| 02:55.54 | PatrickC | dwc-: huh? |
| 02:56.04 | dwc- | love testing |
| 02:56.14 | PatrickC | lol |
| 02:56.16 | ka6sox | flare576, what is that? |
| 02:56.48 | flare576 | it's in the chroot app folder in /bin/chroot-wrapper.sh |
| 02:56.57 | PatrickC | dwc-: I'm helping with the patch :) |
| 02:57.00 | ka6sox | yep |
| 02:57.05 | ka6sox | thats the one |
| 02:57.20 | flare576 | k, do I need to fork the commands? |
| 02:57.39 | ka6sox | flare576, I made a script inside the chroot and run the commands there. |
| 02:57.43 | ka6sox | call that script |
| 02:58.32 | ka6sox | chroot /usr/local/myfile.sh |
| 02:58.42 | ka6sox | and then put the bits there. |
| 02:59.18 | Muhb | Anyone know where the wallpapers/ringtones that are expanded to /media/internal after a fresh doctor are stored? |
| 02:59.29 | flare576 | ok, and call it after launching chroot from xecutah, or edu the ubuntu script to call it? |
| 02:59.46 | flare576 | s/edu/edit/ |
| 02:59.56 | ka6sox | I edited the ubuntu chroot_wrapper.sh |
| 02:59.57 | PuffTheMagic | ooh rise of the apes is done downloading |
| 03:00.01 | PuffTheMagic | time to watch |
| 03:00.45 | flare576 | ok, my only concern with that is if I install a new version from preware... will that nuke my change? |
| 03:00.51 | ka6sox | yes |
| 03:01.01 | ka6sox | that script will be GONE. |
| 03:01.12 | flare576 | ok, I'm glad I understand the process! |
| 03:02.01 | ka6sox | I have several of them...calling things like libreoffice and other xapps |
| 03:02.26 | ka6sox | next I have to mod xecutah to handle more than 1 x-server |
| 03:02.34 | ka6sox | and assign apps to the next server |
| 03:03.19 | flare576 | that'd be useful for having a true root clip and the |
| 03:03.38 | flare576 | s/the/then a chroot/ |
| 03:03.56 | ka6sox | no use imho to have a gui inside a gui. |
| 03:03.59 | flare576 | I **need** that Bluetooth keyboard |
| 03:04.06 | ka6sox | right |
| 03:05.01 | ka6sox | okay back to tailor |
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| 03:05.16 | ka6sox | see if I can't make it so nothing can go worng |
| 03:05.18 | ka6sox | go worng |
| 03:05.38 | flare576 | you run libreoffice wo window manager? interesting... |
| 03:05.55 | ka6sox | I call it from xecutah directly |
| 03:06.16 | flare576 | oh, so it has its own card? |
| 03:06.20 | ka6sox | yes |
| 03:06.22 | flare576 | sweet |
| 03:06.40 | ka6sox | but its currently a TOTAL hack. |
| 03:06.44 | flare576 | I understand your usecase now |
| 03:07.10 | ka6sox | I don't like to waste resources...so having a WM in a WM just seems....wasteful. |
| 03:07.13 | Abyssul | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/290393-patch-dark-theme-facebook-exhibition-mode.html#post3055284 |
| 03:07.16 | Abyssul | Someone test that for me please |
| 03:07.45 | flare576 | is it just "fork metacity"? linux n00b :/ |
| 03:08.04 | ka6sox | dunno..don't use it |
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| 03:09.19 | flare576 | ok, better question then, if I call my script from chroot-wrapper and use it to start 2 things, do I need to fork? |
| 03:09.56 | ka6sox | are they foreground or background things? |
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| 03:10.38 | ka6sox | whats the other? |
| 03:10.38 | flare576 | windows manager and desktop environment, both foreground I guess |
| 03:10.44 | ka6sox | besides metacity? |
| 03:11.16 | ka6sox | how would startx call them? |
| 03:11.18 | flare576 | lxde |
| 03:11.59 | flare576 | "metacity" and "startlxde" |
| 03:12.06 | ka6sox | does lxde even work...we tested quite afew... |
| 03:12.17 | ka6sox | dunno if that made the cut or not |
| 03:12.34 | ka6sox | flare576, what I'd do is start the xterm in the chroot, test how to make it work |
| 03:12.38 | flare576 | it works well for me... I was using chromium in it. |
| 03:12.41 | ka6sox | then scriptify |
| 03:13.01 | ka6sox | then mod the chroot_wrapper if you want. |
| 03:13.11 | flare576 | I have to open the chroot from xecutah twice |
| 03:13.23 | ka6sox | huh? |
| 03:13.33 | ka6sox | manually get the wm and env up |
| 03:13.36 | rwhitby | who's ready to test a release version of uberkernel on touchpad? |
| 03:13.37 | ka6sox | then scriptify |
| 03:13.47 | flare576 | no, I like the idea of an external script so less gets overwritten |
| 03:14.03 | ka6sox | only 1 command please...not 2-3 |
| 03:14.27 | ka6sox | once you transfer control to the chroot you don't get anymore |
| 03:14.35 | ka6sox | you are done |
| 03:15.42 | flare576 | my steps: run xecutah, run xserver, run chroot, type "metacity", back to xecutah, run chroot again, type "startlxde" |
| 03:16.53 | ka6sox | do you close the chroot in between? |
| 03:17.05 | flare576 | nope |
| 03:17.10 | rwhitby | not a good idea |
| 03:17.14 | ka6sox | ya, |
| 03:17.42 | flare576 | I dont know how to fork, so I needed to leave it running |
| 03:17.49 | ka6sox | flare576, try metacity && startlxde |
| 03:18.07 | rwhitby | does metacity background itself? |
| 03:18.08 | ka6sox | see if that gets you where you want to be. |
| 03:18.14 | ka6sox | it should. |
| 03:18.50 | ka6sox | why startlxde doesn't actually make that all happen is a mystery. |
| 03:19.08 | ka6sox | all those start(env) should make that all happen. |
| 03:19.33 | ka6sox | startkde, startgnome etc |
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| 03:20.54 | flare576 | oh... it does work. I thought I tried just using start* and it didn't work. is there a way to make it so that I can close the terminal I used it? |
| 03:21.33 | ka6sox | flare576, if you hack up chroot_wrapper it will show you the xterm, then start the env |
| 03:21.45 | ka6sox | when you exit the env it will show you the xterm |
| 03:21.48 | ka6sox | however. |
| 03:22.02 | ka6sox | if you throw away the card you never see the xterm again. |
| 03:22.22 | flare576 | I expect that, yup |
| 03:23.17 | ka6sox | goes to uberize his TP |
| 03:23.54 | flare576 | thank you, ka6sox. I'll play more with this tomorrow :) |
| 03:24.07 | ka6sox | flare576, yw |
| 03:26.02 | ka6sox | installs uberkernel for TP |
| 03:30.51 | ka6sox | rwhitby, it installs, govnah is happy with it...and it also uninstalls cleanly back to stock |
| 03:31.11 | rwhitby | yep, it's building for public feed now |
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| 03:37.38 | Abyssul | Oooo I got my patch to install finally |
| 03:38.04 | PatrickC | cool :D |
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| 03:38.29 | trsohmers_ | Geetings |
| 03:38.34 | Abyssul | http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/290393-patch-dark-theme-facebook-exhibition-mode.html#post3055284 |
| 03:39.18 | trsohmers | So I can't get the SDK or the webOS quick install to work... I guess the novacom drivers don't support OSX 10.7 lion |
| 03:40.21 | ka6sox | trsohmers, pretty sure they do work. |
| 03:40.39 | trsohmers | I get installation failed when I try installing the drivers |
| 03:40.57 | trsohmers | and from what I am reading online, it isn't supported officially with the 3.0sdk |
| 03:41.37 | PatrickC | 3.0.2 brought the support iirc |
| 03:41.50 | ka6sox | the logs @ logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs have a discussion about that. |
| 03:42.04 | Abyssul | Cant get my images to load |
| 03:42.19 | trsohmers | Maybe on the device side... but the drivers wont install on my machine |
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| 03:46.24 | trsohmers | the version that supports lion is supposedly in the early access area of the Developers forum |
| 03:46.59 | rwhitby | 3.0.2 was released yesterday |
| 03:47.46 | rwhitby | grab it from the sdk public site |
| 03:48.10 | trsohmers | Yep, I just got it now. |
| 03:48.40 | ka6sox | grabs it too...however...my TP communicates just fine. |
| 03:50.37 | trsohmers | ka6sox: And you are running OSX Lion? |
| 03:50.45 | trsohmers | Developer build, RC, or release? |
| 03:51.05 | ka6sox | release |
| 03:51.34 | trsohmers | hmm |
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| 03:52.01 | ka6sox | I work with enough "developer" or "RC" builds that if I am using it for real stuff I only want release |
| 03:52.03 | Abyssul | PatrickC, can u get the patch to work? |
| 03:52.13 | PatrickC | Abyssul: haven't installed it yet |
| 03:52.15 | rwhitby | waits for a month before installing any new OS version |
| 03:52.34 | PatrickC | Abyssul: I'll install it later tonight |
| 03:52.55 | ka6sox | rwhitby, normally I do...but Chuqui's results kinda goaded me into installing it. |
| 03:53.06 | rwhitby | what result? |
| 03:53.10 | ka6sox | (also I have a snapshot of SL) |
| 03:53.23 | ka6sox | oh he was posting about it for a while on g+ |
| 03:54.42 | rwhitby | uberkernel in public feed |
| 03:54.53 | rwhitby | someone test please |
| 03:55.25 | ka6sox | okay let me test from public feed this time |
| 03:59.24 | trsohmers | OK.. I put my TP into developer mode, and I am trying to use novaterm... |
| 03:59.45 | trsohmers | I am getting "login using a password required" |
| 04:00.09 | ka6sox | rwhitby, I only see it in testing |
| 04:00.15 | ka6sox | maybe I missed a feed? |
| 04:01.21 | trsohmers | nvm |
| 04:01.25 | trsohmers | figured it out myself |
| 04:02.09 | ka6sox | rwhitby, 3.0.2-23? |
| 04:02.14 | ka6sox | or is it still -22? |
| 04:03.26 | drobbins | ok, got xecutah running |
| 04:03.35 | drobbins | tried installing openssh but can't seem to find it. |
| 04:03.44 | ka6sox | drobbins, its in preware |
| 04:03.50 | ka6sox | under optware |
| 04:04.30 | ka6sox | for the native |
| 04:04.41 | drobbins | what is the full path? |
| 04:05.27 | ka6sox | jas....I'm rebooting my TP. |
| 04:05.50 | ka6sox | using the preware app... |
| 04:06.06 | ka6sox | optware apps: and then openssh |
| 04:06.13 | ka6sox | will will drag in what it needs |
| 04:07.17 | drobbins | yep, got that. |
| 04:07.25 | drobbins | maybe my xterm doesn't have the path set right. |
| 04:07.31 | drobbins | did all that. |
| 04:07.45 | ka6sox | /opt/bin/ssh |
| 04:07.58 | ka6sox | but there should be a symlink for that too. |
| 04:08.32 | trsohmers | Just installed Preware :D |
| 04:08.49 | ka6sox | /opt/bin/scp too. |
| 04:09.37 | drobbins | ok |
| 04:09.55 | ka6sox | there are also about 1500 packages that are available via ipkg-opt for the device |
| 04:10.01 | drobbins | on the touchpad now |
| 04:10.06 | drobbins | thanks |
| 04:10.10 | ka6sox | yw |
| 04:11.10 | ka6sox | rwhitby, kernel installs, works, removes cleanly |
| 04:18.10 | drobbins | trying to figure out how tonpair an apple keyboard |
| 04:18.15 | drobbins | to pair |
| 04:20.32 | drobbins | there we go |
| 04:20.43 | drobbins | the bluetooth pairing on the touchpad is a little tricky |
| 04:20.59 | drobbins | you need to enter the code you enter on the touchpad, on the keyboard, then enter, then it pairs. |
| 04:21.05 | drobbins | well this is quite nice :) |
| 04:21.55 | drobbins | hrm, maybe not. |
| 04:22.02 | drobbins | keyboard mapping is off |
| 04:23.48 | drobbins | hmmmmmmm |
| 04:24.17 | ka6sox | drobbins, thats one of the areas that need improvement |
| 04:24.40 | drobbins | command-a pops it into flippy flip mode |
| 04:25.15 | drobbins | maybe the hp keyboard works better - i wonder if it has control |
| 04:25.23 | drobbins | oh and period is not working ;0 |
| 04:25.36 | drobbins | so close and yet so far ;0 |
| 04:25.43 | ka6sox | indeed.... |
| 04:26.43 | drobbins | ok |
| 04:26.58 | drobbins | it is probably an X problem |
| 04:27.09 | drobbins | I have period and comma in the web browser |
| 04:30.22 | drobbins | so close to massive hacking ability |
| 04:31.22 | ka6sox | iirc we may have a possible fix for most of the nits...but there are a few left. |
| 04:32.41 | drobbins | pretty impressive so far. |
| 04:32.51 | drobbins | you're 95% there :) |
| 04:33.10 | ka6sox | thanks...a lot of good folk put a lot of effort to make that. |
| 04:33.19 | drobbins | I've noticed that the keyboard screen display disappears when a bt keyboard is paired |
| 04:33.30 | ka6sox | thats a "feature" |
| 04:34.55 | drobbins | any power-user oriented keybaord apps available? |
| 04:35.45 | ka6sox | not yet...its high on everyone's list |
| 04:35.50 | drobbins | Iee something called keyboss |
| 04:35.58 | ka6sox | ya, thats for phones. |
| 04:36.03 | drobbins | ah ok |
| 04:37.17 | ka6sox | I spend a lot of time with mine connected to my "host" computer via USB and logged into it that way. |
| 04:37.33 | ka6sox | using a screen session |
| 04:37.37 | ka6sox | or via SSH. |
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| 04:38.23 | drobbins | ah ok |
| 04:38.37 | drobbins | so you go the other direction - log in via sshd. |
| 04:38.46 | Muhb | hooray for nostalgia |
| 04:39.05 | ka6sox | drobbins, yes, mostly because I do low level OS stuff..and not GUI related |
| 04:39.43 | ka6sox | writing a "safe" LVM resizer and chroot partition application. |
| 04:39.59 | ka6sox | without reformatting the whole device |
| 04:40.56 | drobbins | cool |
| 04:41.06 | drobbins | are you working for HP? |
| 04:41.31 | ka6sox | no, I am with webos-internals...mostly I am the Infra Guy. |
| 04:41.41 | ka6sox | but occasionally I dabble in dev stuff. |
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| 04:42.50 | drobbins | that is a pretty intense project for someone outside of HP |
| 04:43.08 | ka6sox | but the stuff I work on is mostly related to keeping the devices safe and not blowing them up. |
| 04:43.41 | ka6sox | its been "interesting" working on how to do it and recover from almost any failure. |
| 04:44.53 | ka6sox | I have scripts that do it...but adding the safety stuff is taking a fair bit of time to do. |
| 04:45.52 | ka6sox | since I know nothing of GUI's rwhitby is handling all that...(and playing the the node.js stuff too!0 |
| 04:45.53 | ka6sox | ) |
| 04:59.02 | drobbins | well keep up the good work |
| 04:59.11 | drobbins | I am going to bed soon after a bit more playing on the touchpad |
| 04:59.48 | PuffTheMagic | drobbins, this is the land of intense projects |
| 05:09.24 | ka6sox | indeed...we only do the HARD ones it seems. |
| 05:13.14 | PuffTheMagic | the easy ones are all in the catalog for $$ |
| 05:14.29 | Abyssul | where the heck is Tide? |
| 05:14.34 | Abyssul | I have the testing feeds enabled |
| 05:14.40 | ka6sox | in the ocean. |
| 05:14.46 | Abyssul | Smart.... |
| 05:14.54 | Abyssul | Go thing Im a mile away from it |
| 05:14.59 | Abyssul | good* |
| 05:17.07 | ka6sox | Abyssul, same here...about 1mile. |
| 05:17.39 | PuffTheMagic | Abyssul, you do know there is an all testing feed right |
| 05:17.45 | PuffTheMagic | that arm isnt the ony one |
| 05:18.27 | Abyssul | ill add that one too |
| 05:19.20 | ka6sox | armv7 |
| 05:41.20 | Abyssul | Got Tide :) |
| 05:44.01 | ka6sox | kewl...I am liking it. |
| 05:44.11 | ka6sox | when I get time...erlang support :D |
| 05:52.41 | Lumiere | PuffTheMagic: make Tide use vim's syntax highlighting files? :) |
| 05:53.10 | Abyssul | Any clue what down differential is for the ondemandtcl governor |
| 05:53.36 | PuffTheMagic | Lumiere, cant, its got its own format for syntax highlighting |
| 05:59.45 | Abyssul | puffthemagic, the spinner spins endlessly in Tide if the folder is empty when you are searching for a file to open |
| 06:03.02 | PuffTheMagic | ahh good call, def need to fix that |
| 06:03.34 | Abyssul | Browser wont let me download Dropbox files WTF HP |
| 06:04.40 | Abyssul | PuffTheMagic, is there a copy and paste option? |
| 06:05.00 | PuffTheMagic | ya |
| 06:05.05 | PuffTheMagic | on the todo list ;) |
| 06:05.08 | Abyssul | k |
| 06:05.24 | Abyssul | trying to pull up a sample C file and I dont wanna put it in usb mode to transfer it lol |
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| 11:15.04 | manuelwolf | hello guys |
| 11:16.19 | manuelwolf | Voogle is available only in US ? |
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| 11:41.58 | r9s | hi |
| 11:42.43 | r9s | Do webosdoctor 1.4.5 removes files from the folder / media / internal /? |
| 11:43.36 | r9s | it's really important |
| 11:45.05 | r9s | guys |
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| 14:35.12 | frogboy | new here, not sure how the IRC channel operators. Do I just ask questions here? |
| 14:41.57 | frogboy | I am working on test automation software for webOS. I have successfully injected key presses into the driver. But have not been able to inject touch events. At this time I do not have a device so I am working with the touch pad emulator. I can monitor event on the touch driver but am not seeing X/Y events. Any ideas where to find some information? |
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| 15:03.10 | frogboy | :? |
| 15:03.32 | PuffTheMagic | what touchdriver are you using? |
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| 15:03.58 | frogboy | I am using uinput. |
| 15:04.21 | frogboy | also tried to write to /dev/input/event3 |
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| 18:12.34 | Muhb | "You need an internet connection to turn off automatic backup." <-- Apparently the backup app doesn't respect Wifi? |
| 18:14.28 | ghostinator | I'm getting an error in govnah on my touchpad with the unixpsycho kernel. CPU 1 shows no activity and I've reinstalled govnah and everything I try to make a speed change or a governor change it says it can't open the scaling_governor. any ideas? |
| 18:17.51 | ghostinator | I can't find anything related to it on precentral |
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| 18:22.37 | PuffTheMagic | cpu1 turns of if its not needed |
| 18:26.22 | ghostinator | right but I can't get it to come on. what about the error in govnah when I try to change the CPU settings? |
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| 18:33.41 | yaksha | #harate |
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| 18:47.36 | twbbas | Has anyone been able to get bluetooth tethering working between Pre and TouchPad using Freetether? |
| 18:49.43 | PuffTheMagic | not possible to do that between any 2 webos devices |
| 18:50.01 | PuffTheMagic | there is no way to initiate a pan connection from webos |
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| 19:01.49 | Lumiere | PuffTheMagic: for tide, would it be possible to setup sftp storage? |
| 19:03.42 | PuffTheMagic | if someone implements that as synergy provider then yes |
| 19:04.19 | PuffTheMagic | im not adding any storage code that is not a synergy provider |
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| 20:02.39 | rrix | moving between my pre2 and touchpad is really unsettling. |
| 20:02.45 | rrix | the touchpad has such a damn beautiful screen |
| 20:21.35 | oil | and the pre2 doesnt? |
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| 20:23.06 | rrix | oil: it does, but it's so tiny |
| 20:23.27 | rrix | it also doesn't seem to have as high of a dpi |
| 20:25.05 | Abyssul | No one wants my patch <.< what a waste of time |
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| 20:45.20 | oil | Abyssul, whats your patch? |
| 20:46.01 | Abyssul | oil: http://forums.precentral.net/webos-patches/290393-patch-dark-theme-facebook-exhibition-mode.html |
| 20:48.03 | oil | ah |
| 20:48.23 | oil | yeah, i dont have a facebook account, so ill never use it :/ |
| 20:49.00 | Abyssul | Look nice though? |
| 20:49.25 | oil | yeah |
| 20:51.39 | Muhb | blah @ legal gray waters |
| 20:52.56 | Muhb | so much time and research to figure out |
| 21:14.00 | PuffTheMagic | http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6579356/game-of-thrones-rpg |
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| 22:39.48 | Abyssul | For the love of humanity can anyone explain to me why this Pre- wont work with the app catalog |
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| 22:41.47 | PatrickC | Abyssul: activated? |
| 22:43.55 | rwhitby | what's the pedigree of the device and the firmware on it? |
| 22:44.41 | PatrickC | hey rwhitby |
| 22:44.46 | PatrickC | pedigree? |
| 22:45.06 | rwhitby | PatrickC: I am not your dictionary, mate. |
| 22:45.18 | rwhitby | Seriously, you need to stop doing that. |
| 22:45.24 | PatrickC | isn't pedigree like lineage? |
| 22:45.41 | PatrickC | or breed* |
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| 22:48.08 | NuttyBunny | LOL |
| 22:50.18 | Abyssul | Pre- with a Pre2 comm board used with a Sprint 1.4.5 doctor |
| 22:50.46 | Abyssul | used palm bypass activation tool and the profile patch to sign into a palm profile |
| 22:51.03 | Abyssul | Profile is US region activated |
| 22:52.42 | Abyssul | (comm board is from GSM unlocked Pre2) |
| 22:59.30 | Abyssul | rwhitby: Any ideas? |
| 23:00.15 | rwhitby | I personally would have used the Meta-Doctor. I know that works. |
| 23:00.38 | Abyssul | I cant make it build |
| 23:00.46 | Abyssul | Gives me a make error that the make clobber doesnt fix |
| 23:00.52 | Abyssul | Im going through the metadoctor thread atm |
| 23:07.46 | Abyssul | oh wow, it built this time |
| 23:07.48 | Abyssul | Magic... |
| 23:10.18 | Abyssul | oh wow, public UK for TP |
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| 23:12.05 | Abyssul | Damn OTA update got rid of my sprint apps |
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| 23:31.48 | Abyssul | forgot to skip first-use app |
| 23:31.52 | Abyssul | Gotta rebuild lol |
