| 00:01.16 | sailerboy | hey, i'm trying hard to create another OS in a chroot |
| 00:01.24 | sailerboy | any devs of xecutah on here? |
| 00:02.30 | scoutcamper | sailerboy, look for dtzWill or rwhitby |
| 00:02.56 | Sammo | sounds stupid, but where can I learn to develop for webOS? I'd like to help it along since HP's abandoning :( |
| 00:03.22 | dtzWill | sailerboy: the chroot image itself i think is just a minimal install, i believe the one shipped on preware was built using some image-builder for embedded hardware, but i wasn't directly part of that process |
| 00:03.35 | sailerboy | dtzWill, i have the chroot image |
| 00:03.43 | sailerboy | how do i integrate it with Xecutah |
| 00:03.49 | dtzWill | sailerboy: oh, well that's the 'hard' part :) |
| 00:03.55 | sailerboy | xD |
| 00:04.31 | sailerboy | I'd like to release the image that i made, if i get the permission |
| 00:05.06 | dtzWill | sailerboy: as i was trying to say before (but was at work so couldn't give you exact path easily) |
| 00:05.14 | dtzWill | just add your applicatoin to xecutah's list of suported apps |
| 00:05.36 | dtzWill | org.webosinternals.xecutah/app/assistants/main-assistant.js |
| 00:05.45 | dtzWill | xecutah has a whitelist of apps that it checks if they're installed on startup |
| 00:05.55 | dtzWill | and if so, populates the list with them and lets you run xecutah.sh scripts inside them |
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| 00:08.25 | ka6sox | Sammo, HP is no longer making devices...not abandoning the software platform. |
| 00:08.51 | ka6sox | yes, you can learn how to write for it. |
| 00:09.14 | happycube | the sdk can be downloaded from HP - developer.palm.com |
| 00:09.29 | dtzWill | sailerboy: iirc your issue was tying it up to xecutah? |
| 00:09.46 | sailerboy | yep |
| 00:09.47 | sailerboy | that's true |
| 00:09.54 | dtzWill | sailerboy: and you copied the ubuntu package, (other than the chroot image itself obviously) so the xecutah.sh should be there and do what you need |
| 00:10.02 | dtzWill | give it a go :). |
| 00:10.07 | bhern | vortexef5: you shouldn't try to restore a 1.4.5 profile to a 2.x flashed device. you wont get the data migration that would normally occur on an OTA |
| 00:10.34 | bhern | you could create a new profile for FU though you'd lose apps you bought from webOS app catalog, etc |
| 00:10.43 | vortexef5 | ok |
| 00:11.04 | AHCompy_ | why isnt xecutah or ubuntu 11.04 showing up in preware? /me is confused |
| 00:11.20 | Sammo | They basically are, there won't be anymore pre -/+. 2. or even 3 updates. If I remember the dev letter that got sent out correctly they said that they would be: 'We will continue to support, innovate and develop the webOS App Catalog', which is another way of saying, we're going to squeeze the last bits of profit out of the devs before we sell/license it to somebody else, |
| 00:11.51 | Sammo | thanks happycube :) |
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| 00:16.21 | Sammo | so theres no way of getting bluetooth IMAP supported in 1.4.5 for text messages to be transferred to the touchpad via pre's? |
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| 00:17.31 | bhern | you mean MAP profile I think |
| 00:17.49 | Sammo | Yeah sorry, thats what I meant, |
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| 00:18.22 | dwc- | they still might do OS updates... but I wouldn't hold my breath |
| 00:18.38 | dwc- | there's no reason for them to lose the app catalog if they do license it to others |
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| 00:19.14 | bhern | 1.4.5 cannot do MAP and the updates to do it are something difficult for others to replicate. unless the device you get receives the update (or a doctor image is available for it) I don't think so |
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| 00:20.43 | Sammo | Is there not a workaround that doesn't involve using MAP for it to work? |
| 00:20.59 | Sammo | That could theoretically be made? |
| 00:21.10 | bhern | hmmm... |
| 00:21.35 | bhern | not using MAP. but I suppose you could look at the TouchPad JS side and see if you could do something different |
| 00:21.45 | bhern | ...or |
| 00:22.03 | bhern | build your own MAP bridge from the sending device |
| 00:23.43 | Sammo | Surely there would be a way to transmit the data over a wifi network, obviously that isn't as effective when you're on the move but it'd be a start.. |
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| 00:24.17 | Sammo | I'm no developer really, so I'm not capable, but I was reckoning somebody would be working on it :) |
| 00:24.35 | Sammo | I don't understand why phonecalls DO work, and text messages don't? |
| 00:24.42 | AHCompy_ | think I figured it out...I needed to add webos-internals testing feeds, right? |
| 00:29.37 | Sammo | ahh, I'm so eager to get text msging working |
| 00:29.45 | ka6sox | AHCompy_, for? |
| 00:29.58 | ka6sox | Sammo, what device again? |
| 00:30.30 | Sammo | Touchpad, |
| 00:30.39 | Sammo | with the Pre minus |
| 00:31.38 | ka6sox | Sammo, those are miles apart... |
| 00:31.50 | ka6sox | the Pre- is on Sprint right? |
| 00:32.01 | oil | doesnt it work if the pre- is doctored to 2.x? |
| 00:32.08 | ka6sox | mine does |
| 00:32.11 | ka6sox | my wife's does |
| 00:32.16 | Sammo | I'm in the UK so o2, but thats not relevant really |
| 00:32.21 | oil | the node/db8 is what lets it happen |
| 00:33.02 | Sammo | I thought you had to doctor it to 2.2 for texting to work with the touchpad? and right now thats not available |
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| 00:33.48 | Sammo | i thought it'd be as simple as local tethering if you get what im saying, |
| 00:34.01 | Sammo | (i'm no dev as you can probably tell :) ) |
| 00:38.30 | twbbas | Sammo: phone calls work because the TP acts like a car's bluetooth system. This is why it works with ANY phone that has bluetooth. |
| 00:38.45 | twbbas | SMS doesn't work because that relies on webOS software in the sending phone |
| 00:38.55 | directhex | hmph, no scummvm build on preware for 2.2.0 :( |
| 00:40.00 | Sammo | Ah I understand.. so it's either wait until someone gets 2.2 for my old pre, or buy a discounted pre 3 |
| 00:40.02 | Sammo | ? |
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| 00:47.42 | Sammo | ? |
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| 00:48.43 | rwhitby | dtzWill: re VBA update, done. autobuilder will pick it up on next round. |
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| 00:49.59 | dtzWill | rwhitby: ty! :) |
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| 00:54.11 | rwhitby | rboatright, sailerboy: Preware is GPL, as is most other WebOS Internals software, except patches which are MIT. |
| 00:54.22 | sailerboy | thanks rwhitby |
| 00:54.35 | rwhitby | sailerboy: if you have an arch linux package, we can put it in preware alongside the ubuntu one |
| 00:55.00 | sailerboy | rwhitby, I have one that boots, but i'd like to ensure it's completly free of bugs |
| 00:55.17 | sailerboy | eg installing a DE and whatnot |
| 00:55.25 | sailerboy | maybe by tomorrow? |
| 00:55.36 | rwhitby | sailerboy: be ready to contribute a makefile for build.git like the existing ubuntu-choot-natty Makefile and we can make it happen with you as the listed developer |
| 00:55.56 | scoutcamper | sailerboy, what would the size of said package be? |
| 00:56.06 | sailerboy | scoutcamper, probably a bit smaller than the ubuntu package |
| 00:56.08 | sailerboy | lemme check |
| 00:56.11 | AHCompy_ | ka6sox, get that? |
| 00:56.24 | ka6sox | yup. |
| 00:57.22 | sailerboy | scoutcamper, about 120 mb |
| 00:57.38 | scoutcamper | is that packaged? ubuntu is 63mb |
| 00:58.09 | sailerboy | yes, that's packaged |
| 00:58.22 | scoutcamper | wow |
| 00:58.51 | sailerboy | scoutcamper, i basically copy/pasted a chroot image for omap processors |
| 00:58.57 | sailerboy | i'm sure i can narrow it down a bit |
| 01:00.05 | sailerboy | this is where i got it from if you wanted to poke |
| 01:00.05 | sailerboy | http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/ |
| 01:00.32 | sailerboy | rwhitby, dtzWill, i've gotta go now, but i'd like to work on this later tonight, or tomorrow. It'd be great if i could ask you questions then |
| 01:00.33 | sailerboy | thanks |
| 01:01.54 | ka6sox | sailerboy, how about making a pared down version...something that is about 1/2 the size |
| 01:02.01 | ka6sox | then let folks add what they need. |
| 01:02.10 | sailerboy | ka6sox, again, this is super alpha |
| 01:02.13 | sailerboy | i'm just happy that it works |
| 01:02.45 | ka6sox | sailerboy, okay...but since I am thinking about pushing out 120MB things out our server...I would prefer something smaller. |
| 01:02.55 | rwhitby | sailerboy: ok, talk tomorrow. we can get this done, just be patient as things are a bit hectic at the moment |
| 01:03.13 | sailerboy | rwhitby, no prob |
| 01:03.30 | sailerboy | ka6sox, if you want, i can just make a script that wgets the tar.gz from archlinuxarm's server |
| 01:03.32 | rwhitby | sailerboy: as ka6sox says, we prefer an absolute minimal install, and then you use the normal OS package install tools inside the chroot to add more |
| 01:04.02 | sailerboy | rwhitby, btw, tonight for me is in 4 hours or so |
| 01:04.38 | sailerboy | but i'll see what i can do |
| 01:04.43 | sailerboy | what's my goal? |
| 01:04.51 | sailerboy | 64 megs? |
| 01:04.58 | ka6sox | sailerboy, max :D |
| 01:05.10 | ka6sox | see if you can beat rwhitby's natty chroot. |
| 01:05.22 | sailerboy | heh, this is arch linux, that'll be easy |
| 01:05.27 | sailerboy | rwhitby, how'd you create your chroot anyway? |
| 01:05.36 | rwhitby | sailerboy: the makefile is in the git repo |
| 01:06.09 | dwc- | which repo is it in, rwhitby? now that I have a TP I might be making a debian one |
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| 01:06.22 | rwhitby | line 55 of http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/ubuntu-natty-chroot/Makefile |
| 01:06.22 | scoutcamper | build.git |
| 01:06.46 | dwc- | thanks |
| 01:07.21 | sailerboy | rwhitby, arch doesn't have an official arm repo though |
| 01:07.28 | sailerboy | so anything done will be unofficial |
| 01:07.43 | sailerboy | i'm not the worlds leading expert in makefiles, so i'll expect that i'd need a lot of help with that |
| 01:08.32 | ka6sox | sailerboy, um...where are these binaries coming from then? |
| 01:10.31 | sailerboy | ka6sox, right now, from http://archlinuxarm.org/os/index.php?d=omap/ |
| 01:10.43 | sailerboy | i'll try to see if i can't build my own custom image though |
| 01:11.13 | ka6sox | sailerboy, where did that come from? |
| 01:11.41 | sailerboy | ka6sox, there's a project called archonarm |
| 01:11.59 | sailerboy | for the android and meego |
| 01:12.14 | sailerboy | since the touchpad had the same firmware, i thought it'd work fine on it too |
| 01:12.15 | sailerboy | and it did |
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| 01:12.45 | ka6sox | "same firmware"? |
| 01:13.04 | rwhitby | sailerboy: where is the arm package repository for that distro? |
| 01:13.39 | ka6sox | and source repo too :D |
| 01:13.44 | rwhitby | sailerboy: note that we don't accept binary contributions to Preware - all things are built from source on the autobuilder for security, reproducibility and license compliance reasons |
| 01:13.53 | ka6sox | since we would be redistributing those too. |
| 01:14.50 | PuffTheMagic | arch > ubuntu |
| 01:14.57 | PuffTheMagic | gentoo > arch |
| 01:15.15 | ka6sox | PuffTheMagic what does that mean? |
| 01:15.17 | sailerboy | ka6sox, i meant hardware |
| 01:15.18 | sailerboy | sorry |
| 01:15.30 | sailerboy | rwhitby, it's hosted by that site |
| 01:15.31 | sailerboy | iirc |
| 01:15.31 | PuffTheMagic | ka6sox: it means i like arch way better than gentoo |
| 01:15.33 | PuffTheMagic | err |
| 01:15.38 | PuffTheMagic | way better than ubuntu ;) |
| 01:15.41 | ka6sox | got it... |
| 01:15.53 | PuffTheMagic | and a binary distro for gentoo users getting sick of building shit |
| 01:16.14 | ka6sox | but that still doesn't let us redistribute it without sources and we have to create the image on our servers. |
| 01:16.30 | PuffTheMagic | i dont think we need to redistribute it |
| 01:16.40 | sailerboy | rwhitby, http://archlinuxarm.org/arm/ |
| 01:16.41 | PuffTheMagic | but feed aggregate might work |
| 01:16.47 | PuffTheMagic | sorta like optware |
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| 01:17.08 | ka6sox | okay, optware is built on our servers too... |
| 01:17.08 | sailerboy | rwhitby, i'll make a make script |
| 01:17.19 | sailerboy | gotta go |
| 01:17.19 | sailerboy | bye |
| 01:17.36 | ka6sox | from makefiles we have publically...and with build scripts that are public too. |
| 01:17.47 | ka6sox | rather sources we have as well. |
| 01:17.53 | PuffTheMagic | ka6sox: we dont rebuild shit on precentral |
| 01:17.55 | ka6sox | (and are public too) |
| 01:17.59 | rwhitby | sailerboy: make a postinst which wgets the image. |
| 01:18.03 | PuffTheMagic | how would making a feed for arch be different? |
| 01:18.28 | ka6sox | wget at the end solves it... |
| 01:18.38 | sailerboy | rwhitby, i'll still see if i can't slim it down |
| 01:18.47 | ka6sox | then its not coming from our servers...like precentral. |
| 01:20.39 | rwhitby | sailerboy: doesn't matter if it's a wget. end user pays the price for what they get. |
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| 01:23.11 | wrea | I stopped using arch years ago when it started getting political |
| 01:23.42 | crimsonredmk | hey |
| 01:23.45 | crimsonredmk | archlinux arm people |
| 01:23.56 | crimsonredmk | i'm the lead dev :D |
| 01:24.00 | crimsonredmk | anyway, here |
| 01:24.14 | crimsonredmk | https://github.com/crimsonredmk/ArchLinuxARM-Chroot-TouchPad |
| 01:24.23 | crimsonredmk | drop in a rootfs from the site and ipk it up |
| 01:24.59 | ka6sox | okay, missed sailerboy on this. |
| 01:25.05 | ka6sox | he needs to know that. |
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| 01:25.21 | crimsonredmk | i need to work on it more but homework nao |
| 01:25.54 | rwhitby | crimsonredmk: do you want to hook that into Xecutah ? |
| 01:26.08 | rwhitby | not sure about using an upstart script to start the xterm, for instance. |
| 01:26.14 | crimsonredmk | haven't touched that part of it yet :( |
| 01:26.27 | crimsonredmk | yeah |
| 01:26.36 | crimsonredmk | give me some time haha |
| 01:26.42 | crimsonredmk | or fork and i'll pull i guess |
| 01:27.00 | rwhitby | crimsonredmk: no worries, I'm in no hurry - just letting you know it can be done |
| 01:27.06 | crimsonredmk | xecutah is definitely on the list |
| 01:27.21 | crimsonredmk | just have to study it and this CS homework a bit more >.< |
| 01:27.25 | crimsonredmk | heh |
| 01:27.40 | rwhitby | I'd suggest yourself and sailerboy collaborate and we'll put it in Preware alongside the Ubuntu one |
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| 01:28.17 | PatrickC_TP | is xterm suppose to scroll in 3.0.2? |
| 01:28.39 | crimsonredmk | yeah, i'll work on it rwhitby, thanks |
| 01:28.53 | elpollodiablo1 | PatrickC_TP: not officially from my understanding |
| 01:29.20 | elpollodiablo1 | scroll down works but not scroll up due to lack of right click |
| 01:29.21 | PatrickC_TP | elpollodiablo1: thx |
| 01:29.30 | PatrickC_TP | if doesn't scroll at all for me |
| 01:29.58 | elpollodiablo1 | you add the -sb to the xecutah.sh for xterm? |
| 01:30.01 | PatrickC_TP | when the cmd line text foes past the kb, the screen doesn't scroll |
| 01:30.07 | PatrickC_TP | no, I didnt |
| 01:30.16 | elpollodiablo1 | oh yeah that, |
| 01:30.19 | PatrickC_TP | goes to look |
| 01:30.44 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: reduce the keyboard size to XS |
| 01:30.56 | elpollodiablo1 | I edited my xecutah.sh and added -sb to the xterm launch section to add the scroll bar might want to add a few other commands to make it work a little better |
| 01:31.03 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: I'll try that |
| 01:31.37 | ramitos | is anyone trying to make the phone sync of the touchpad work with android? |
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| 01:32.04 | ramitos | or is it even possible? |
| 01:32.13 | rwhitby | wonders why you'd want to ;) |
| 01:32.15 | PuffTheMagic | sms or phone? |
| 01:32.25 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: worked :-) thx |
| 01:32.39 | ramitos | PuffTheMagic both, i hope. But at least sms |
| 01:32.52 | rwhitby | PatrickC_TP: now, is it documented anywhere? |
| 01:33.00 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: no clue |
| 01:33.00 | PuffTheMagic | ramitos: if your phone support MAP it will work out of the box |
| 01:33.04 | PatrickC_TP | checks |
| 01:33.18 | PuffTheMagic | ramitos: the phone syncing its no different than connecting with a car |
| 01:33.21 | PuffTheMagic | so that also is easy peasy |
| 01:33.23 | ramitos | PuffTheMagic sorry the n00b question. What is MAP? |
| 01:33.25 | PuffTheMagic | all open specs |
| 01:33.39 | PuffTheMagic | its a BT profiles, google it |
| 01:34.10 | ramitos | PuffTheMagic thank you very nice. I tought it only worked with webOS phones. Very nice indeed :) |
| 01:34.26 | ramitos | PuffTheMagic thank you very much* |
| 01:36.39 | elpollodiablo1 | rwhitby: how do I pull the latest xterm and xserver code from the repo? I have build cross-compile all set up just not sure how to pull the latest for those |
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| 01:38.11 | PatrickC_TP | rwhitby: any reason I would get this error? https://www.box.net/shared/gf6gn1n02j9i7o3vh7e3 |
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| 01:44.52 | Jovialmonk | Hey all. quick question. (I can't seem to find an answer anywhere) |
| 01:45.57 | AHCompy_ | bah I want this process to be over. haha. is there an alternative to xecutah out there? |
| 01:46.34 | Jovialmonk | Doctored my Pre2 yesterday with meta-doctor. After which I loaded Preware again. All seemed fine except everything I do a luna restart or device restart Preware becomes unusable (and I delete it and load it on the phone again in order to run it). Any idea |
| 01:46.34 | Jovialmonk | s? |
| 01:47.27 | Jovialmonk | grey icon with empty circle (like when you restore a device) |
| 01:48.38 | rwhitby | Jovialmonk: did you select the auto-install of Preware option, against the advice in the makefile and wiki pages? |
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| 01:51.09 | Jovialmonk | I know what I did.. ugh.. forgot.. I doctored my old Pre the day before.. then quickly modded the make file for my phone. LOL.. I was rushing because my wife was waiting for me.. Thanks. |
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| 01:55.27 | rwhitby | bbl |
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| 02:04.57 | AHCompy_ | a-ha. lol figured it out. for some reason my touchpad doesnt like the testing repo. I have xecutah installed and ubuntu on the way :-) |
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| 02:06.57 | ka6sox | good |
| 02:08.32 | AHCompy_ | yes sir. lol still dont know what happened there though. tried it many times before manually installing it and it never would work. but now I know its there, game-on. now to figure this next part out. |
| 02:10.44 | AHCompy_ | I wonder if compiz-fusion will run on this. hahaha |
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| 02:15.54 | RobbieJ | just found out there is arm builds for java |
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| 02:18.31 | AHCompy_ | does xecutah have an icon that its supposed to show??? |
| 02:19.09 | AHCompy_ | restarts TP |
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| 02:35.04 | AHCompy_ | well, this sucks...Im supposed to have webos 3.0 beta to make xecutah "work properly" |
| 02:36.54 | ka6sox | AHCompy_, what? |
| 02:39.25 | raster | AHCompy_: compiz.. willl.. work... if u have x11 working.. with opengl accel |
| 02:39.34 | raster | last i checked.. that meant opengl desktop |
| 02:39.41 | raster | does compiz do opengl-es now? |
| 02:41.00 | AHCompy_ | ka6sox, raster, lol I was cracking a joke......but if it does, badass. lol everyone needs eyecandy |
| 02:41.25 | raster | ooh |
| 02:41.29 | AHCompy_ | and I got executah going...it was just being a pain |
| 02:41.29 | raster | i was vaguely serious :) |
| 02:41.40 | AHCompy_ | lmao its good. |
| 02:41.55 | AHCompy_ | I am going to see if I can get it on here though, on the real |
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| 02:42.15 | raster | kwin recently added opengles2 suport for compositing |
| 02:42.29 | AHCompy_ | that would be pretty cool... 3d opengl desktop....on a tab. |
| 02:42.31 | raster | e17 has had it for a while now as well as software compositing so it works without gl |
| 02:42.37 | AHCompy_ | awesome. lol less work |
| 02:43.03 | raster | but unless u get your webos cards displaying as windows in x it wotk hellp the rest of webos |
| 02:43.46 | AHCompy_ | quick question.... how do you make the virtual keyboard go away in xserver? |
| 02:43.54 | AHCompy_ | very true... |
| 02:44.14 | AHCompy_ | maybe someone can adapt it to work with it... |
| 02:44.20 | AHCompy_ | cube style |
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| 02:46.26 | AHCompy_ | nvm, got it. hooked up kbd and it went away |
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| 02:58.18 | AHCompy_ | sweet. ubuntu tab GO |
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| 03:03.11 | AHCompy_ | so, whats-up with the black bar at the bottom? |
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| 03:07.31 | Lisurgec | What's up guys |
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| 03:13.09 | rrix | i give up on ever having a rational sleep schedue |
| 03:15.07 | Log1x | lost that battle months ago =( |
| 03:15.42 | Lisurgec | I was able to get some error messages off my demo TP from when I try to create an account. |
| 03:20.01 | drobbins | ok, trying to get sshd going. |
| 03:20.09 | drobbins | using the keyboard on the touchpad in xterm is painful |
| 03:20.16 | rrix | I came home from class and promptly passed out |
| 03:20.49 | AHCompy_ | only complaint on this is the fact that half the screen is a black bar and that I have to manually start lxsession every time I load it |
| 03:21.05 | drobbins | is there a firewall on the touchpad by default? |
| 03:21.10 | AHCompy_ | bluetooth keyboard FTW. lol |
| 03:21.11 | drobbins | I'm having difficulty sshing in |
| 03:21.14 | drobbins | yeah |
| 03:21.27 | drobbins | I'll set up my bt keyboard again |
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| 03:26.00 | drobbins | can't get my apple keyboard to go into pairing mode :( |
| 03:26.12 | drobbins | there we go |
| 03:27.29 | drobbins | cmon cmon |
| 03:28.02 | drobbins | blink already |
| 03:29.09 | drobbins | ah, it's paired to this laptop. |
| 03:29.11 | drobbins | gotta unpair |
| 03:29.39 | drobbins | gotta love bluetooth |
| 03:30.09 | drobbins | now I need to remove and replace the batteries to get it into pairing mode |
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| 03:31.21 | drobbins | yay |
| 03:34.00 | drobbins | ok, I killed the running sshd and my bt keyboard stopped working. |
| 03:34.36 | drobbins | in xterm. |
| 03:34.58 | drobbins | restarted X, it's back. |
| 03:35.23 | drobbins | ah looks like sshd respawns |
| 03:35.48 | rrix | It does |
| 03:36.22 | drobbins | ah |
| 03:36.31 | drobbins | seems like up arrow on the apple keyboard kills input via X. |
| 03:36.45 | drobbins | but the keys seem mapped well, other than that. |
| 03:37.10 | drobbins | rrix: ok, so I set up authorized_keys for ~/.ssh/ for root. not letting me in, and I'm not seeing where sshd is outputting its logging info. |
| 03:37.44 | drobbins | looks like there is a firewall. |
| 03:38.11 | drobbins | yep yep |
| 03:38.49 | drobbins | but there is a rule for ssh. |
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| 03:43.07 | drobbins | probably my local firewall? |
| 03:43.09 | drobbins | let's seee. |
| 03:43.46 | drobbins | nope |
| 03:43.51 | drobbins | guess I"ll debug from the funtoo side |
| 03:44.30 | drobbins | I ain't getting to port 22 |
| 03:44.32 | drobbins | :/ |
| 03:45.32 | drobbins | ok, I think I'm being stupid. |
| 03:45.38 | drobbins | sshing from wrong machine. |
| 03:45.51 | Jack87 | rwhitby, ping |
| 03:46.40 | drobbins | I feel stupid |
| 03:48.03 | bpadalino | it happens |
| 03:48.40 | Jack87 | "PRODoID" = "HSTNH-I29C" ? |
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| 03:52.01 | drobbins | grabbing gentoo armv7 stage3 |
| 03:52.20 | drobbins | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:52.45 | rrix | it's a vfat so you only can store up to like 2gb files |
| 03:52.51 | drobbins | ok |
| 03:52.58 | rrix | /media/cryptofs is probably better but harder to backup |
| 03:53.00 | drobbins | otherwise you use lvm to provision space? |
| 03:53.13 | drobbins | I notice massive use of lvm |
| 03:53.19 | drobbins | brand new to touchpad internals |
| 03:53.47 | bpadalino | use a file that is ext3 and mount it loopback |
| 03:53.56 | drobbins | ok |
| 03:54.16 | bpadalino | but can only do that when the usb isn't in file mode |
| 03:54.28 | drobbins | ah gotcha |
| 03:54.43 | drobbins | VFAT = USB mountable on Windows. |
| 03:55.17 | drobbins | can you switch /media/internal over to ext3 if you want? will webos still work, just usb mode will die on windows? |
| 03:55.45 | drobbins | so is the main storage vfat, and then touchpad uses loopback devices for apps? |
| 03:56.12 | bpadalino | there is a cryptofs that is mounted loopback where apps are |
| 03:56.17 | bpadalino | downloaded apps |
| 03:56.28 | drobbins | what is the reason for cryptofs? |
| 03:57.24 | bpadalino | so yanking downloaded apps off the device isn't as easy as dragging them |
| 03:58.08 | drobbins | hrm? |
| 03:58.21 | drobbins | would be nice if the native fs were ext3. Then I could use sparse loopback files. |
| 03:58.26 | drobbins | would be fun :) |
| 03:58.35 | bpadalino | feel free to experiment |
| 03:59.11 | Lisurgec | have any of the new TP users had slow response times when creating a webOS account? |
| 03:59.30 | djhomeboy | Lisurgec. didnt you buy a demo? |
| 03:59.41 | Lisurgec | yeah. just curious. |
| 04:00.03 | Lisurgec | cause I made a rather significant change and now it's taking forever to get through the activation. |
| 04:00.08 | djhomeboy | today I found a work around.. makes it 100% |
| 04:00.16 | djhomeboy | I found an easy work around |
| 04:00.18 | Lisurgec | you have a webOS account? |
| 04:00.24 | djhomeboy | yep 2 lol |
| 04:00.33 | Lisurgec | what's the goods? |
| 04:00.40 | djhomeboy | ok so.. install preware |
| 04:00.44 | Lisurgec | yeah |
| 04:00.48 | drobbins | one other thing I would like to do is tweak the cpu freq stuff so that you get 2x1.5GHz when plugged in to AC power. |
| 04:00.50 | djhomeboy | install Impostah |
| 04:00.58 | Lisurgec | mhmm |
| 04:01.13 | djhomeboy | in impostah you can manage accounts and create webos accounts |
| 04:01.21 | Lisurgec | that's failing for me. |
| 04:01.42 | djhomeboy | I made an account then did the activation |
| 04:01.45 | Lisurgec | unless there's more? |
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| 04:02.01 | djhomeboy | so when the unit rebooted it was back at the start screen with the activation needed |
| 04:02.18 | djhomeboy | I typed in my newly created webos account and bam |
| 04:02.21 | djhomeboy | it was done |
| 04:02.31 | Lisurgec | it wouldn't let me create an account either. did it take a while to contact the hp server to make the account? |
| 04:02.41 | djhomeboy | na was instant |
| 04:02.45 | Lisurgec | alright. |
| 04:02.53 | Lisurgec | i'll try again. |
| 04:03.03 | djhomeboy | so bypass activation.. boot impostah |
| 04:03.06 | Lisurgec | it gave me an error message when i tried to create an account. |
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| 04:03.23 | djhomeboy | let me create one for you |
| 04:03.30 | djhomeboy | if I can |
| 04:03.49 | djhomeboy | wait.. if I do that it will kill what I got I think... |
| 04:04.02 | Lisurgec | yeah |
| 04:04.08 | Lisurgec | AFAIK it's one per device. |
| 04:04.15 | Lisurgec | i think my problem was the activation method i used. |
| 04:04.29 | Lisurgec | it created an account called Dr. Skipped Firstrun |
| 04:04.39 | Lisurgec | and that might be why i couldn't make another. |
| 04:04.48 | Lisurgec | that the case with you? |
| 04:05.16 | djhomeboy | ya kill that account with impostah |
| 04:05.34 | djhomeboy | but.. first I created the account then I killed all accounts |
| 04:05.42 | djhomeboy | then I booted up to activation and logged in |
| 04:05.47 | Lisurgec | that's weird. |
| 04:05.54 | Lisurgec | it totally wouldn't let me do that |
| 04:05.54 | Lisurgec | hmm |
| 04:06.04 | djhomeboy | there is a section where you can create a webos account |
| 04:06.13 | djhomeboy | for different parts of the world |
| 04:06.20 | djhomeboy | 1 sec let me grab my device |
| 04:06.32 | Lisurgec | aight |
| 04:07.51 | djhomeboy | go to activation |
| 04:07.56 | djhomeboy | create new profile |
| 04:07.58 | drobbins | are symlinks and hardlinks disabled by default? |
| 04:08.12 | djhomeboy | make an account there |
| 04:08.36 | Lisurgec | i have to pop it open again. |
| 04:08.38 | Lisurgec | hold on. |
| 04:08.54 | drobbins | ah, I am on vfat. |
| 04:08.55 | drobbins | mistake |
| 04:09.29 | drobbins | must be rushing |
| 04:11.30 | djhomeboy | then I went to accounts and removed accounts |
| 04:11.35 | djhomeboy | then I rebooted |
| 04:11.46 | djhomeboy | then I logged in with the webos account I created |
| 04:12.30 | Lisurgec | it was giving me permissions errors when i tried that though |
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| 04:12.46 | Lisurgec | saying that the account manager didn't have write permissions. |
| 04:13.09 | djhomeboy | dunno man.. I was just messing around.. rebooted and put the login in and bam! |
| 04:13.16 | djhomeboy | full working |
| 04:14.15 | drobbins | anoyone know how to prevent cpu#2 on the touchpad from going to sleep? |
| 04:15.48 | tmzt | what is msm_pe? |
| 04:17.35 | Lisurgec | i think i'm in. |
| 04:17.38 | drobbins | cpufreq stuff? |
| 04:18.03 | tmzt | quic has a really fast resume method for the second core |
| 04:18.06 | tmzt | I would look there |
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| 04:19.24 | drobbins | tmzt: ok, is that a preware app? |
| 04:20.15 | tmzt | what????? |
| 04:20.36 | drobbins | "quic" |
| 04:20.37 | drobbins | ? |
| 04:20.51 | djhomeboy | @Lisurgec it worked!? |
| 04:21.32 | Lisurgec | well.. i have a webOS account for sure |
| 04:21.38 | Lisurgec | i just got the verifcation email |
| 04:21.51 | djhomeboy | hah!! |
| 04:22.04 | djhomeboy | see it works.. I stumbled across it |
| 04:22.05 | Lisurgec | hp market isn't starting up now though |
| 04:22.05 | Lisurgec | lol |
| 04:22.18 | djhomeboy | it did for me.. I had to dl the latest version though |
| 04:22.33 | drobbins | PuffTheMagic: what is the significance of masking zlib? |
| 04:22.51 | Lisurgec | it'll load but it's a white page. |
| 04:23.02 | djhomeboy | ya look for updates tab somewhere |
| 04:23.07 | drobbins | tmzt: what is "quic"? an app? a governor? |
| 04:23.29 | djhomeboy | it will pop up somewhere.. go to webos account or device info.. I cant remember |
| 04:23.35 | djhomeboy | but once you get the latest version.. ur in! |
| 04:24.29 | PuffTheMagic | drobbins: the overlay i was creating was an attempt to match version for version each package on the webos userland |
| 04:24.33 | djhomeboy | u see an update anywhere? |
| 04:24.38 | PuffTheMagic | and zlib was in current portage tree but just needed to mask the newer version |
| 04:24.48 | Lisurgec | no i don't.. |
| 04:25.02 | djhomeboy | hmmm damn I cant remember |
| 04:25.11 | Lisurgec | can you go into the software manager and tell me what your version is? |
| 04:25.18 | djhomeboy | it popped up after I tried several times |
| 04:25.20 | djhomeboy | sure |
| 04:25.46 | Lisurgec | oops. |
| 04:25.53 | Lisurgec | totally found an update tab in software manager. |
| 04:25.56 | Lisurgec | downloading now |
| 04:26.09 | djhomeboy | gaga |
| 04:26.11 | djhomeboy | haha |
| 04:26.20 | djhomeboy | I was just going to say, I think thats where it is! |
| 04:26.24 | drobbins | PuffTheMagic: ok |
| 04:26.24 | djhomeboy | 501400 |
| 04:26.33 | drobbins | PuffTheMagic: so in theory it's possible that everything in funtoo will work on arm. |
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| 04:26.39 | drobbins | PuffTheMagic: but probably not. |
| 04:26.40 | djhomeboy | so ur set bro! |
| 04:26.51 | djhomeboy | tell em homeboy sent ya! ahahaha |
| 04:27.27 | Lisurgec | http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/internet-high-five-place-hand-here.jpg |
| 04:28.32 | drobbins | trying crossdev with stock funtoo versions. |
| 04:29.45 | djhomeboy | glad I hoped on and saved you some time! |
| 04:31.28 | djhomeboy | jack! |
| 04:31.51 | djhomeboy | I figured it out last night man! |
| 04:31.58 | djhomeboy | sorry.. this morning |
| 04:32.00 | PuffTheMagic | drobbins: ya there is only a few things that dont crosscompile well |
| 04:32.03 | PuffTheMagic | perl i think is one |
| 04:32.17 | PuffTheMagic | most of it is autotools fail |
| 04:32.35 | PuffTheMagic | i've submitted a few upstream bug reports |
| 04:32.37 | drobbins | ok |
| 04:32.41 | PuffTheMagic | not much progress on them though |
| 04:32.52 | PuffTheMagic | #gentoo-embedded guys are good |
| 04:33.14 | Lisurgec | djhomeboy, did you change your sku in order to get it to work? |
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| 04:33.22 | djhomeboy | nope |
| 04:33.26 | Lisurgec | weird. |
| 04:33.27 | Lisurgec | cause i did. |
| 04:33.28 | djhomeboy | is urs working? |
| 04:33.32 | Lisurgec | yeah. |
| 04:33.41 | Lisurgec | i did the same thing you did, just slightly differently. |
| 04:33.50 | djhomeboy | na u just need to get rid of the DRSKIPPED and create a webos account |
| 04:33.56 | djhomeboy | once that happens ur golden it seems |
| 04:34.21 | Lisurgec | cause what i did was change the device sku, then reset the palm account. |
| 04:34.41 | Lisurgec | the legitimate firstrun activation is what worked after that. |
| 04:34.48 | djhomeboy | yep |
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| 04:37.06 | tmzt | drobbins: qualcomm innovation center |
| 04:37.26 | Lisurgec | i'm gonna write up a wiki page on this process, feel free to contribute dj |
| 04:38.50 | djhomeboy | write it up.. then just include me somewhere in the credits :P |
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| 04:40.31 | djhomeboy | so again basically its.. Bypass activation.. preware.. Impostah.. Activation⦠create new palm profile⦠then click palm profiles.. reset palm profile.. reboot login :) |
| 04:40.46 | djhomeboy | done: |
| 04:41.24 | djhomeboy | so with ur knowledgebase u should write up a step by step of what I just posted :P |
| 04:47.45 | drobbins | tmzt: ah ok :) |
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| 04:54.26 | rrix | sigh, out of disk space in my widk vm again ~_~ |
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| 04:57.56 | sailerboy | hey guys |
| 04:58.06 | sailerboy | does anyone know where the git repo is for ubuntu chroot? |
| 05:00.00 | dwc- | http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/ubuntu-natty-chroot/ |
| 05:01.27 | sailerboy | dwc-, now i just have to learn how to use git to get that |
| 05:02.13 | rrix | builds optware toolchain |
| 05:02.23 | rrix | So many build toolchains >.< |
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| 05:03.42 | sailerboy | meh, i'll just clone the entire build thingie |
| 05:05.09 | drobbins | PuffTheMagic: I am tempted to sort of skip the crossdev stuff and try to scrounge enough room to use your stage3 to bootstrap metro. |
| 05:06.24 | drobbins | should be plenty of room. |
| 05:06.29 | PuffTheMagic | the crossdev stuff shouldnt be needed for a normal chroot env |
| 05:06.46 | drobbins | yeah, and once I chroot, I can use metro to build up a new stage3 inside the gentoo stage3. |
| 05:06.57 | drobbins | dual 1.5GHz shouldn't be too bad. |
| 05:07.02 | PuffTheMagic | :D |
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| 05:11.45 | Jack87 | high fives djhomeboy and Lisurgec |
| 05:11.49 | sailerboy | oh god |
| 05:12.02 | sailerboy | i'm going to need serious help if i want to do this using the make file |
| 05:12.42 | sailerboy | anyone understand this really well? http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/ubuntu-natty-chroot/Makefile |
| 05:13.35 | Lisurgec | high fives back |
| 05:13.35 | sailerboy | rwhitby, idk if you're still there |
| 05:13.43 | rrix | gives up on trying to set up optware in the same vm as his widk |
| 05:13.53 | sailerboy | I'm looking at your makefile, and i'm sort of unclear where you get the base ubuntu system |
| 05:13.58 | rrix | how 8gb isn't enoough for two chains, idk, lol... |
| 05:14.08 | rrix | nuttybunny is on his own for messaging-plugins :( |
| 05:14.35 | sailerboy | it looks like there needs to be a build directory, and i was just wondering if you had an example of this build directory, or what script creates it |
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| 05:15.15 | sailerboy | ah, you're not on, great |
| 05:15.26 | sailerboy | is dtzWill on? |
| 05:15.47 | rrix | not afaict |
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| 05:16.37 | djhomeboy_ | yo |
| 05:16.41 | sailerboy | yo |
| 05:16.43 | rrix | yo |
| 05:16.45 | djhomeboy | haha |
| 05:16.50 | djhomeboy | times 2 homeboy |
| 05:16.52 | djhomeboy_ | ha |
| 05:17.03 | sailerboy | does some poor sod want to help me with trying to make a chroot package? |
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| 05:19.30 | Jack87 | ka6sox: any pointers for sailerboy? |
| 05:20.07 | Jack87 | cryptk scoutcamper|away and ka6sox have been playing with chroots |
| 05:20.57 | sailerboy | Jack87, i got arch working |
| 05:21.09 | sailerboy | but if i want it in preware, i need to create my own chroot image |
| 05:21.35 | Jack87 | sailerboy: that's awesome :) |
| 05:22.15 | sailerboy | I really want to see this though |
| 05:22.20 | sailerboy | I think it'd be great |
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| 05:24.04 | sailerboy | Jack87, i'm used to the famous archwiki walking me through all these steps |
| 05:24.05 | sailerboy | lol |
| 05:24.21 | Jack87 | I have only played with arch once long ago. would love to play more |
| 05:24.36 | Jack87 | hehe sailerboy you will be writing these steps in a wiki |
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| 05:24.58 | sailerboy | Jack87, well, hopefully, i'll get the steps down to "click install from preware" |
| 05:25.01 | sailerboy | and that'll be all I have to do |
| 05:25.30 | Jack87 | sailerboy: its true.. make a nice package maybe one that runs a script and does eveything |
| 05:25.49 | sailerboy | Jack87, i have a package |
| 05:25.52 | sailerboy | but right now, it's 120 mb |
| 05:25.57 | sailerboy | it's too big |
| 05:26.09 | Jack87 | is glad to see sailerboy diving into webos development |
| 05:26.26 | sailerboy | heh, it's not really development for webos |
| 05:26.35 | sailerboy | all the hard work is done for me |
| 05:26.42 | sailerboy | all i have to do is some fancy sed'ing |
| 05:26.42 | Jack87 | haha its porting :) |
| 05:26.51 | Jack87 | but on webos in awesome card |
| 05:26.58 | sailerboy | BUT GAHHHHHH |
| 05:27.07 | sailerboy | WHY CAN'T DEVELOPERS WRITE WHAT THEY FUCKING DID |
| 05:27.12 | sailerboy | SEETHS |
| 05:27.14 | Jack87 | why reinvent the wheel right? |
| 05:27.31 | sailerboy | Jack87, because i fucking can |
| 05:27.33 | sailerboy | no other reason |
| 05:27.35 | sailerboy | ;) |
| 05:27.49 | Jack87 | lol this community encurages wiki ing usually |
| 05:28.03 | ziplock503-pre | write what they did for what? |
| 05:28.43 | ziplock503-pre | homebrew ftw in webos land |
| 05:30.07 | Jack87 | you guys do know hp donated a server to us to host webos-internals on right? |
| 05:30.11 | Lisurgec | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Activating_Touchpad_Demo_Unit |
| 05:30.33 | Jack87 | Lisurgec: awesomeness |
| 05:30.59 | Jack87 | Lisurgec: thanks for taking the time to do that |
| 05:31.19 | ziplock503-pre | I remember that Jack |
| 05:31.28 | sailerboy | ziplock503-pre, it's not this community |
| 05:31.35 | sailerboy | it's the ALARM community |
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| 05:31.50 | ziplock503-pre | what's alarm? |
| 05:31.56 | sailerboy | Arch Linux ARM |
| 05:32.10 | ziplock503-pre | ahh |
| 05:32.15 | AHCompy | supsup |
| 05:32.18 | sailerboy | although it'd be nice to see exactly how rwhitby built ubuntu-chroot |
| 05:32.45 | Jack87 | Lisurgec: I'm not sure how the licensing for that tool works and if we can post an unofficial link to it |
| 05:32.48 | ziplock503-pre | I've only seen the Wiki for it |
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| 05:32.58 | AHCompy | assuming you are talking about touchpad...they have an arch port? |
| 05:33.18 | Lisurgec | neither was i lol |
| 05:33.25 | Lisurgec | which tool are you talking about |
| 05:33.33 | Lisurgec | OS doctor? |
| 05:33.38 | Jack87 | devicetool.jar |
| 05:33.41 | Jack87 | no |
| 05:33.52 | Jack87 | that's a link from palm so its all good |
| 05:33.59 | sailerboy | AHCompy, i'm trying to port it |
| 05:34.01 | sailerboy | right now |
| 05:34.07 | Jack87 | but the device tool is also on palm's site |
| 05:34.21 | AHCompy | sailerboy, you are awesome. lol |
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| 05:34.35 | sailerboy | i'm seething due to lack of documentation on ALARM's part |
| 05:34.36 | Jack87 | sorry I am on wirc not a pc or I would help you write the wiki |
| 05:34.40 | sailerboy | and lack of experiance on my part |
| 05:34.44 | AHCompy | sailerboy, try to get rid of that annoying black bar |
| 05:34.52 | sailerboy | what annoying black bar? |
| 05:35.26 | AHCompy | in xserver that is under the V-kbd |
| 05:35.56 | ziplock503-pre | shit the guy at radio shack wouldn't sell me the demo unit lol |
| 05:36.05 | rrix | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.06 | AHCompy | lol that blows |
| 05:36.26 | Jack87 | Lisurgec: I would also say to use preware to install impostah http://en.m.webos-internals.org/wiki?search=preware |
| 05:36.27 | Lisurgec | If it bothers anyone, they can take it down. |
| 05:36.29 | rrix | AHCompy: You have to have 1024x768 cards, but xserver is compiled to automatically show the vkb. |
| 05:36.56 | AHCompy | is there a way to make it go away? |
| 05:37.03 | Jack87 | preware we can support. webos quick install is another guy |
| 05:37.05 | AHCompy | let me rephraise |
| 05:37.08 | rrix | doesn't know offhand |
| 05:37.24 | AHCompy | is there an EASY way to make it go away lol |
| 05:37.45 | ziplock503-pre | jason is cool with webos-internals |
| 05:37.52 | AHCompy | rephrase* where'd that 'i' come from |
| 05:38.25 | Lisurgec | changed to preware. |
| 05:39.01 | AHCompy | looks into the annoying black placeholder in xserver |
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| 05:42.07 | rrix | afaict it's compiled in |
| 05:42.08 | tmzt | AHCompy: |
| 05:42.11 | tmzt | ? |
| 05:42.19 | AHCompy | ? |
| 05:42.32 | tmzt | what placeholder |
| 05:42.52 | sailerboy | Jack87|Away, yey, https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/scripts/distro-builder |
| 05:42.57 | sailerboy | damnit, you're away |
| 05:43.12 | sailerboy | anyway, head dev of ALARM is really nice |
| 05:43.15 | AHCompy | the one that is usually under the virtual keyboard in xserver |
| 05:43.24 | sailerboy | he just got a touchpad too, and he'll probably come on and develop a proper port |
| 05:43.29 | sailerboy | not a hack, which is what i'm doing |
| 05:44.29 | ziplock503 | gald to see webos get some more dev muscle tinkering under the hood |
| 05:44.42 | AHCompy | lmao hack port whats the difference really. lol |
| 05:45.08 | AHCompy | if they work, call it what you want |
| 05:45.19 | ziplock503 | dont bother me lol |
| 05:45.49 | AHCompy | lol right?? |
| 05:47.39 | sailerboy | well, I really need to talk to rwhitby, because as soon as i find out wtf is going on in the makefile |
| 05:47.51 | sailerboy | then I can just hack together the two build scripts |
| 05:47.52 | sailerboy | and away we go |
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| 05:52.31 | ziplock503 | sailor whitby is in AUS so he might be getting up soon |
| 05:52.54 | ziplock503 | well thats where he lives ... he could be anywhere |
| 05:53.49 | rwhitby | um, it's 3:30pm here ;) |
| 05:54.27 | rwhitby | sailerboy: ubuntu-chroot is built by this Makefile: |
| 05:54.43 | sailerboy | ziplock503, it's 3 pm in AUS |
| 05:54.47 | sailerboy | oh |
| 05:54.49 | sailerboy | wow |
| 05:54.55 | sailerboy | headdesks |
| 05:55.53 | ziplock503 | lol |
| 05:56.05 | ziplock503 | he could sleep in |
| 05:56.11 | rwhitby | sailerboy: http://git.webos-internals.org/preware/build/tree/testing/ubuntu-natty-chroot/Makefile |
| 05:56.19 | rwhitby | everything is in there. |
| 05:56.39 | sailerboy | rwhitby, i saw that, but unless i'm missing something, where does the build directory come from? |
| 05:56.51 | sailerboy | unless download.mk is hardcoded |
| 05:56.55 | sailerboy | which I haven't checked |
| 05:58.37 | rrix | rwhitby: How do I submit patches to xecutah? git format-patch and mail it to you or..? |
| 05:58.53 | sailerboy | rwhitby, I just checked, and I don't see any way you are downloading ubuntu |
| 05:59.03 | sailerboy | but i am somewhat of a noob |
| 06:01.13 | sailerboy | rwhitby, if it's too much of a deal for you to help me, that's fine, I'll let the ALARM developer do it (he just got a touchpad) |
| 06:01.34 | sailerboy | and I am somewhat noobish, I understand |
| 06:02.03 | dwc- | ( cd build ; rootstock --no-root --fqdn ${NAME} --dist natty ) |
| 06:02.55 | sailerboy | dwc-, what the hell is rootstock |
| 06:03.08 | rwhitby | ubuntu utility for creating a rootfs |
| 06:03.24 | sailerboy | oh |
| 06:03.29 | sailerboy | of course, ubuntu would have a utility |
| 06:03.37 | sailerboy | :| |
| 06:05.04 | Jack87 | sailerboy: I'm excited for your pitr |
| 06:05.10 | Jack87 | port* |
| 06:08.29 | rwhitby | rrix: git-format patch is perfect |
| 06:08.47 | rrix | okiedoke |
| 06:08.54 | rwhitby | rrix: what's the patch? |
| 06:09.02 | rrix | rwhitby: What email? just steal it from soem copyright header? :P |
| 06:09.23 | rrix | rwhitby: I made xterm have Tweaks support for BG and FG terminal colors |
| 06:09.39 | rrix | It probably needs review, not sure if I did the makefile bits properly |
| 06:10.06 | sailerboy | rrix, what'd you do again? |
| 06:10.32 | rrix | I made it so that you can configure background and text color of the Xterm using Tweaks |
| 06:11.40 | rrix | rwhitby: does installing a tweaks json in the build target of the makefile make sense or should that be in postinst? |
| 06:11.48 | Jack87 | sailerboy: teams is another homebrew app that allows controlling some patched on the fly |
| 06:12.01 | rrix | tweaks* |
| 06:12.04 | Jack87 | tweaks* |
| 06:12.17 | Jack87 | damn auto correct |
| 06:12.27 | sailerboy | rwhitby, i'm assuming that this is built on an ubuntu system? |
| 06:12.37 | Jack87 | is on wirc w/ TP |
| 06:12.39 | sailerboy | so thus, the makefile must also be ubuntu? |
| 06:13.11 | rwhitby | sailerboy: yes and yes |
| 06:13.12 | rrix | rwhitby: sorry for not just having this ready to go, and bothering you with the details, but does http://fpaste.org/MzR4/ make sense? |
| 06:13.39 | rwhitby | rrix: ah, this is for xterm colours? |
| 06:13.44 | sailerboy | rwhitby, so if you want to make with pacman, I must include building pacman in the makefile? |
| 06:13.47 | rrix | rwhitby: correct |
| 06:14.15 | rwhitby | sailerboy: if it's a standard utility in ubuntu 10.4 we can install it on the autobuilder |
| 06:14.19 | rrix | For now at least. It could be extended easily, I suppose |
| 06:14.29 | sailerboy | rwhitby, i seriously doubt it |
| 06:14.34 | sailerboy | pacman is arch's version of apt-get |
| 06:14.57 | rwhitby | rrix: yeah, let's discuss wider implications with dtzWill too |
| 06:15.06 | rwhitby | rrix: but I like the direction you're heading |
| 06:15.09 | rrix | Righto |
| 06:15.32 | rrix | I guess implying this was ready for commit was silly. I'm used to using reviewboard and stuff :) |
| 06:15.53 | rrix | I had to do some terminalmagick to make luna-send's output reasonable |
| 06:16.09 | rrix | I'll toss you and dtzWill my patches |
| 06:17.02 | Fuu_ | argh |
| 06:17.09 | sailerboy | rwhitby, you could install pacman using alien, but it's somewhat hacky |
| 06:17.10 | rwhitby | rrix: we release off tags, so we use working commits for review |
| 06:17.27 | rrix | oh, ok |
| 06:17.28 | Fuu_ | HP shop didnt store orders, just cancels out your order if u couldnt finish it yesterday |
| 06:17.45 | rrix | wasn't sure if it was "work in branch, release in master" |
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| 06:30.29 | sailerboy | Jack87, arch linux isn't going to happen from me |
| 06:30.32 | sailerboy | not the way that rwhitby wants it |
| 06:30.47 | sailerboy | crimsonredmk, will do it probably within the next week or two |
| 06:33.20 | rwhitby | sailerboy: you can skip the build in the makefile and just wget a rootfs tarball in the postinst script |
| 06:33.56 | rwhitby | as long as it's a tarball from an official archlinux site which has source available for it, no problem. |
| 06:33.57 | sailerboy | rwhitby, I don't have any where to host it and the current root tarbell is fucking big |
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| 06:34.16 | sailerboy | I can get the tarbel down to size, but idfk where the hell I can host it |
| 06:34.16 | rwhitby | sailerboy: since the end-user downloads it, does it matter how big it is? |
| 06:34.33 | sailerboy | rwhitby, it sort of does :| |
| 06:35.34 | sailerboy | rwhitby, basically, right now, i have this script https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/blob/master/scripts/distro-builder |
| 06:35.43 | sailerboy | it requires pacman, and I don't have the know how to make it not require pacman |
| 06:36.57 | sailerboy | it'd be much easier on you, and on the end user to not use pacman, because then that way you aren't responsible if the ALARM server is down |
| 06:37.50 | rwhitby | as long as the ipkg log tells the user it can't connect, we just ignore any users who don't read the error message, so no biggie. |
| 06:38.03 | rwhitby | the package will have your name and email as the maintainer anyway |
| 06:38.08 | sailerboy | :| |
| 06:38.12 | sailerboy | lol |
| 06:38.16 | sailerboy | I still want to do this proper |
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| 06:39.39 | rwhitby | I would suggest chatting with crimsonredmk and working out how to have archlinux host an image which is appropriate for this us. then write a postinst which wgets and installs that image. then we'll put that in a package in Preware. |
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| 06:39.52 | rwhitby | s/us./use./ |
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| 06:58.23 | dwc- | hey... my new touchpad, dr battery claims it's only got 95% battery health left |
| 07:06.06 | dgathright | Hmm⦠16gb for $130. http://www.erwincomputers.com/fb454utaba.html |
| 07:06.23 | sailerboy | mehmeh |
| 07:07.25 | dgathright | $40 premium, whatever, it's a $400 tablet. More concerned about buying from some random seller |
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| 07:12.43 | dgathright | Meh, I'll wait for a more reliable source |
| 07:13.37 | dgathright | slickdeals doesn't appear to be convinced it's legit |
| 07:15.10 | dwc- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.11 | dwc- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.11 | dwc- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:15.20 | dwc- | hosted as a yahoo store |
| 07:15.39 | dwc- | seems reasonably legitimate |
| 07:15.42 | dwc- | imo |
| 07:18.04 | ka6sox | whats his rating on yahoo stores? |
| 07:18.14 | dwc- | dunno, didn't read it |
| 07:18.15 | dgathright | I'm not concerned about it not being a scam, more that it's just not worth the hassle. Already had B&N cancel on me, Amazon (onSale) likely, and I doubt that this random little website has access to the thousands of orders it has already received. |
| 07:20.27 | dgathright | I live in SF, so worst case is I just drive down to Palm HQ and wait in line when they get more in a few days. :\ |
| 07:20.51 | ka6sox | better get there wednesday night... |
| 07:21.59 | dwc- | after friday, they apparently decided to have limits |
| 07:22.12 | dwc- | someone behind me in line told me one of the people in their group bought 30 |
| 07:22.26 | ka6sox | 30! |
| 07:22.30 | ka6sox | um.... |
| 07:22.33 | dwc- | this morning, they were passing out one voucher per trip through the line |
| 07:22.37 | ka6sox | thats sane. |
| 07:22.46 | dwc- | maybe they have a real passion for their work? |
| 07:22.46 | ka6sox | s/sane/insane/ |
| 07:22.56 | dgathright | wow |
| 07:23.05 | dwc- | I got there at about 8:40a |
| 07:23.10 | dwc- | there were ~30 people there already |
| 07:24.33 | dwc- | now that my mother has apparently decided she wants one, I might drop by tomorrow morning, since it's only 2 mi away ... even though I'm pretty sure they won't have any |
| 07:26.25 | dwc- | dgathright: if you're lucky, the online store will get them and you can get it for cheaper, and without a 40 mi trip |
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| 07:28.27 | dgathright | well I work in Sunnyvale, so won't be too bad. while I typically take a shuttle, I usually drive once or twice a week. |
| 07:29.19 | dwc- | Y!? |
| 07:29.47 | dgathright | Yup |
| 07:30.19 | dwc- | I would... take the shuttle pretty much every day |
| 07:30.23 | dwc- | is not a fan of commuting by car |
| 07:31.14 | dwc- | not that long in traffic anyways |
| 07:33.38 | dgathright | Well, I just bought a new car a few months ago (prior to moving to SF), so I need to justify owning it somehow, haha. |
| 07:35.12 | dwc- | and you don't want to miss out on that SF experience -- trying to find parking |
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| 08:28.40 | masterhit | hp shop in germany dead again :/ |
| 08:29.01 | masterhit | great |
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| 09:04.21 | eliasp | masterhit: this time a DNS failure... nice :) |
| 09:12.09 | masterhit | speaks for HP as a service company :D |
| 09:15.34 | eliasp | masterhit: that's just because they're not using "the cloud" for their shop yet... "the cloud" would somehow magically solve all this troubles and that's why they're going for "the cloud" now, too... it will solve all HP's troubles by driving HP into the area of insignificance within months ;-) |
| 09:16.02 | geist | has transitioned to "the cloud" |
| 09:16.04 | geist | and i can say it's great |
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| 09:32.22 | ka6sox-zzzz | geist, sorry to hear that. |
| 09:38.43 | masterhit | lol |
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| 10:28.30 | Grey_Loki | Hi. Is there an SSH 'app' for WebOS at the moment? Just got one of those lovely shiny (cheap!) touchpads, i'm looking to get a connectbot-style ssh client. |
| 10:28.39 | hape | rwhitby: Should I try to are some Pre3 for webosinternals ? |
| 10:28.59 | Grey_Loki | I see there are a couple in Preware, but it seems that these are terminal-based? |
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| 10:39.57 | directhex | Grey_Loki, there was mention of a useless "mobile putty" app |
| 10:40.58 | Darkmagister | anyone know where buy a pre 3 .... in europe ?????? |
| 10:41.07 | Darkmagister | or a pre 2 ... |
| 10:41.23 | directhex | Darkmagister, eurostore.palm.com |
| 10:42.09 | Darkmagister | yes but i'm searcing ... some store with lower price ... like in us ... |
| 10:46.08 | directhex | nowhere has dropped price yet |
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| 11:09.20 | hape | Darkmagister: http://forums.precentral.net/hp-pre-3/292947-pre-3-stock-3.html Last page |
| 11:16.07 | Darkmagister | i see a number to call ... but none answer |
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| 11:22.15 | directhex | er... i hope those of us who were early adopters get free accessories too |
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| 13:18.14 | rwatkins-mbp | I submitted an update to a patch on Saturday, but still in the queue - anyone available to review and push thru? |
| 13:20.34 | rwatkins-mbp | Browser: Add to Paper Mache |
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| 13:53.04 | rwatkins-mbp | I submitted an update to a patch on Saturday, but still in the queue - anyone from the internals team available to review and push thru? |
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| 14:07.11 | walllable | hi |
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| 14:38.46 | RavenII | So I was telling my buddy yesterday that normally, when an electronic device gets taken out due to competition...I normally don't care...but for some reason I do when it comes to WebOS...it's truly a kick assed system... |
| 14:38.59 | RavenII | but WHY the hell are they porting android onto an already kick ass tablet? |
| 14:39.30 | directhex | RavenII, because some people don't see webos as the goal in itself |
| 14:39.37 | RavenII | That sucks. |
| 14:39.42 | directhex | they just see the slab of glass and plastic as the tablet experience |
| 14:42.11 | RavenII | It blows that the people doing it don't see that they're actually hurting the development and progression of a great OS... |
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| 14:42.54 | RavenII | Dude, I was comparing my TP to the iPad 2 that my girl's school gave her....MAN that thing sucks...iOS just sucks...it's flat, boring...no life.... |
| 14:43.32 | RavenII | and I own a ipod touch...and 4 Macs.... |
| 14:43.37 | RavenII | an ipod* |
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| 15:12.26 | e4g | hello everyone |
| 15:18.04 | eberon_ | folks: does the Sprint Pre2 process require a particular version of the Pre 2? |
| 15:18.29 | eberon_ | I wouldn't imagine it would since the comm board should be the only important part but I'm not seeing specifics one way or another on the wiki |
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| 15:32.58 | RavenII | eberon_: nope...GSM or CDMA, didn't matter |
| 15:33.04 | RavenII | %99 sure... |
| 15:33.18 | craig | Is there a way to remove themes with the latest version of webOS quick install? |
| 15:33.24 | eberon_ | yeah it looks like that's the case now that I'm looking at what webosworld's project request form looks like |
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| 16:16.15 | asdf_ | just out of curiousity |
| 16:16.43 | asdf_ | has anyone looked into the logistics of creating a freetether of gps |
| 16:17.19 | asdf_ | I was thinking about making one but I wanted to see if anyone knew of an ongoing project first |
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| 16:30.36 | sx | hi, is there a way to install preware on my hp touchpad with fedora 14? |
| 16:30.57 | asdf_ | did you try webos quickinstall? |
| 16:31.49 | asdf_ | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_WebOS_Quick_Install |
| 16:35.22 | asdf_ | i'm guessing though as to the lack of responses nobody has heard of a gps tethering project |
| 16:37.52 | oilsworkn | asdf_: i haven't seen anything about one |
| 16:38.05 | scoutcamper | asdf_, i have seen one in android, but not in webos |
| 16:40.00 | asdf_ | hmm i'll try and see what I can do then |
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| 16:42.35 | oilsworkn | asdf_: im sure its possible |
| 16:42.53 | asdf_ | yeah, i just want to have something ready |
| 16:43.03 | asdf_ | for when ndrive HD actually shows up |
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| 16:43.27 | directhex | ndrive for 2.2.0 would be nice |
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| 16:43.40 | asdf_ | they have Ndrive for the 2.1 |
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| 16:43.49 | asdf_ | so i assume it would work on 2.2 as well |
| 16:44.01 | asdf_ | Its just not 50% off like it says on precentral |
| 16:44.11 | asdf_ | which is unfortunate |
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| 16:47.38 | directhex | asdf_: 2.1 apps don't appear on 2.2 app store. |
| 16:47.46 | directhex | asdf_: no ndrive or facebook on pre3. |
| 16:47.51 | asdf_ | huh |
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| 16:47.53 | asdf_ | impostah? |
| 16:48.00 | directhex | could try that i guess |
| 16:49.09 | asdf_ | i wonder if I could use impostah |
| 16:49.21 | asdf_ | to get sprint navigation working on my sprint franken pre 2 |
| 16:50.19 | oilsworkn | impostah wont help there |
| 16:50.30 | oilsworkn | the problem is that 2.x was never released for sprint devices |
| 16:50.34 | sx | asdf_: yes i tried quickinstall, after asking me wheter i want the novacom driver to be installed the same message pops up when i press yes |
| 16:50.38 | oilsworkn | so there is no 2.x compatible service for sprint nav |
| 16:50.52 | oilsworkn | (teh switch from java service to node services) |
| 16:51.12 | asdf_ | oh i thought it was a file version thing |
| 16:51.21 | asdf_ | man now i really want ndrive to be half off |
| 16:51.21 | Abyssul | I got my sprint nav to work on my pre2 sprint |
| 16:51.29 | asdf_ | you did? |
| 16:51.39 | Abyssul | Yeah |
| 16:51.45 | asdf_ | details? |
| 16:52.02 | oilsworkn | isnt there a homebrew nav solution? |
| 16:52.03 | Abyssul | http://forums.precentral.net/palm-pre-pre-plus/276961-anyone-get-sprint-nav-working-2-1-0-a.html |
| 16:52.26 | Abyssul | Its slightly shady since it involves the leaked 2.0.1 build |
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| 16:52.35 | Abyssul | but it works as intended |
| 16:52.42 | oilsworkn | yeah |
| 16:52.47 | asdf_ | excellent |
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| 16:53.12 | Abyssul | If you don't force depend then it says its incompatible |
| 16:53.21 | Abyssul | but if you do, it works. Pretty strange but oh well |
| 16:53.27 | asdf_ | there is that other free navigation app but it requires you to download maps from a computer |
| 16:53.29 | asdf_ | and then upload |
| 16:53.53 | asdf_ | to answer oilsworkn about the homebrew solution |
| 16:54.04 | oilsworkn | yeah |
| 16:54.08 | oilsworkn | it doesnt need connection to work |
| 16:54.15 | oilsworkn | which is a plus |
| 16:54.26 | oilsworkn | if your drive takes you out of data coverage |
| 16:54.40 | asdf_ | right |
| 16:54.45 | asdf_ | which is the draw of ndrive |
| 16:54.51 | asdf_ | but you download the maps one time |
| 16:54.53 | asdf_ | and thats it |
| 16:55.10 | Abyssul | Yeah, ndrive has its advantages |
| 16:55.19 | Abyssul | Id definitely prefer a one download solution |
| 16:55.26 | Abyssul | especially when I hit 1x or no data areas |
| 16:55.29 | directhex | i have CoPilot Live on my android market account, i bought it so i wouldn't need to rely on data |
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| 16:56.01 | jackjohn | hello.... can someone provide me the like for the ubuntu desktop edition |
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| 16:56.29 | jackjohn | i am looking to do this step |
| 16:56.30 | jackjohn | Download Ubuntu 11.04, look for the Ubuntu Desktop Edition, not the Windows Installer |
| 16:57.00 | asdf_ | but i want ndrive to be 50% off like precentral says |
| 16:57.06 | asdf_ | so i can use my HP promocode |
| 16:57.07 | Abyssul | lmgtfy.com |
| 16:57.38 | sailerboy | jackjohn, http://tinyurl.com/3ll4qtr |
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| 16:58.31 | jackjohn | so is it just the first link, download ubuntu? |
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| 16:59.44 | jackjohn | http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download |
| 17:00.00 | Abyssul | Sure |
| 17:00.06 | jackjohn | or is there some where in there to get to the desktop edition |
| 17:00.17 | Abyssul | That is the desktop |
| 17:00.26 | jackjohn | i have that downloaded already and when i try to run the wubi.exe it does not do anythiing |
| 17:01.08 | Abyssul | wubi is the windows installer |
| 17:01.17 | Abyssul | You probably want the .iso |
| 17:01.26 | jackjohn | i have the iso |
| 17:01.31 | jackjohn | i mounted the iso |
| 17:01.46 | Abyssul | Then what is the problem? |
| 17:01.53 | elpollodiablo1 | jackjohn: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:01.55 | jackjohn | # Burn that file to a cd or mount to virtual drive |
| 17:01.55 | jackjohn | # Run cd in windows (the wubi.exe file inside the disk, it also comes up in auto run) - |
| 17:02.09 | jackjohn | im tryint to get meta doctor setup |
| 17:02.36 | jackjohn | so i get install webos 2 on my pre- |
| 17:03.59 | Abyssul | You can use a virtual machine, a live usb/cd, or WUBI for that. No need for the .iso |
| 17:04.49 | jackjohn | ok so i downloaded ubuntu iso, mounted the iso, and run wubi |
| 17:05.04 | elpollodiablo1 | yeah that should do it |
| 17:05.13 | jackjohn | i get the windows security thing that asks do i want to run wubi, i say yes |
| 17:05.17 | jackjohn | then nothing else happens |
| 17:05.22 | elpollodiablo1 | or install ubuntu in a Virtual Machine |
| 17:05.34 | elpollodiablo1 | try running at Admin |
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| 17:06.36 | jackjohn | same thing running as admin |
| 17:07.08 | jackjohn | i wanted to try running inside windows before i fired up a VM |
| 17:07.29 | elpollodiablo1 | if you press ctrl+shift+esc do you see multiple wubi.exe running? |
| 17:07.57 | jackjohn | no i dont have any instaces running in task manager |
| 17:08.25 | jackjohn | when i run it i shows up for a second then dies |
| 17:08.47 | elpollodiablo1 | restart windows? |
| 17:09.08 | elpollodiablo1 | or go the Virtual machine route |
| 17:09.11 | jackjohn | did that |
| 17:09.17 | Abyssul | live cd is a better option than virtual machine |
| 17:09.27 | directhex | what's the app id for facebook? |
| 17:09.42 | jackjohn | Don't boot your machine with the CD (called as using the LiveCD, as this option won't give you enough space for the MetaDoctor process to complete. |
| 17:11.18 | elpollodiablo1 | yes it out and see how it goes |
| 17:11.30 | NuttyBunny | directhex, com.palm.app.facebook I think |
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| 17:11.55 | jackjohn | how do you use live cd? |
| 17:12.21 | elpollodiablo1 | burn cd and boot to it |
| 17:13.09 | Abyssul | com.palm.app.facebook |
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| 17:19.24 | directhex | damn, can't get it on via impostah |
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| 17:21.16 | Abyssul | Has to be 2.x device |
| 17:23.02 | Loudergood | still can't see why they did that.. |
| 17:23.21 | sailerboy | Abyssul, what's the phone number again? I still have not gotten an email |
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| 17:40.35 | EdLin | what's a good website for touchpad internals? I don't see much about the touchpad on the webos-internals wiki. |
| 17:41.01 | crimsonredmk | gonna have that preware archlinuxarm package ready tonight |
| 17:41.07 | NuttyBunny | EdLin: hardware or software wise? |
| 17:41.36 | EdLin | NuttyBunny software |
| 17:41.52 | NuttyBunny | EdLin: webOS is practically the same across the phones and the TP, whatever you do on the phones you can do on the TP |
| 17:42.12 | EdLin | thanks, I thought for some reason that it was based on Enyo or something. |
| 17:42.44 | NuttyBunny | EdLin, Ah, yes, enyo is the framework used for the applications, but under that, it's javascript over webkit over linux |
| 17:42.56 | EdLin | ok |
| 17:43.08 | NuttyBunny | for Enyo you can go to the HP Developer page, there's quite a lot of info there :D |
| 17:43.15 | EdLin | thanks. |
| 17:43.20 | NuttyBunny | yw |
| 17:43.33 | EdLin | what's the hp developer page? developer.hp.com? |
| 17:43.51 | NuttyBunny | https://developer.palm.com/ |
| 17:43.54 | Abyssul | thought they still use the palm.com name |
| 17:43.55 | EdLin | ah. |
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| 17:43.58 | EdLin | :) |
| 17:44.10 | EdLin | glad to see palm.com still exists. ;) |
| 17:44.26 | NuttyBunny | I'm gonna get a palm sticker and put it behind my TP ;) |
| 17:44.42 | EdLin | I had a Centro before my Pre, and a TX. Also have a Treo sitting in a drawer. :) |
| 17:45.18 | EdLin | no longer using a Pre though, but it will be good to get back to WebOS with the touchpad. |
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| 17:56.19 | mib_guxnz4 | wow. so I'm trying to download webos doctor for my new touchpad, and says on the palmws site "Error: Sorry, that is not a valid serial number. " it shows a serial number that looks real though |
| 17:56.36 | mib_guxnz4 | this isn't a demo unit or anything |
| 17:57.23 | NuttyBunny | make DEVICE=touchpad CARRIER=wifi unpack pack <-- on the TouchPad. It wasn't that hard :D |
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| 18:51.42 | PatrickC | ok |
| 18:51.48 | PatrickC | got the chroot working! :D |
| 18:52.08 | djhomeboy | sorry to be lame.. whats the benefit to chroot |
| 18:52.23 | PatrickC | djhomeboy: full ubuntu distro on a tablet? |
| 18:52.30 | djhomeboy | nice |
| 18:52.34 | PatrickC | yeah |
| 18:52.38 | djhomeboy | I like WebOS ;) |
| 18:52.57 | PatrickC | now, I just have to figure out how to get it to display the desktop.. hmm.. |
| 18:52.58 | oilsworkn | webOS++ |
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| 18:55.24 | PatrickC | what desktop do yall use? kde? on the tp |
| 18:57.44 | sx | i was successful installing preware, can someone tell me wher i can find more feeds? (i'm seaching for a multi im like pidgin) |
| 18:57.48 | dtzWill | PatrickC: lxde here |
| 18:58.08 | scoutcamper | PatrickC, E17 here |
| 18:58.16 | dtzWill | we should source a /media/internal/xinitrc file or something |
| 18:58.38 | PatrickC | hmm... |
| 18:58.46 | dtzWill | so people can modify the startup scripts in a way that a)doesn't involve going into /media/cryptofs, and b)is persistent across upgrades |
| 18:58.47 | PatrickC | now to figure out what to use :) |
| 18:58.55 | dtzWill | PatrickC: try a few, and see what you like |
| 18:58.58 | dtzWill | :) |
| 18:59.30 | PatrickC | dtzWill: easy to uninstall I assume :) |
| 18:59.50 | dtzWill | PatrickC: right |
| 19:00.00 | dtzWill | worst case nuke the chroot and start over, but it shouldn't come to that |
| 19:00.13 | scoutcamper | dtzWill, we should mod the ubuntu chroot script to mount /media/internal |
| 19:00.32 | mib_guxnz4 | yay. tier two support now, becaue they don't have any record of my serial number, and it's not a demo unit lol |
| 19:00.34 | dtzWill | scoutcamper: bind mount it into the chroot? yeah that's a nice idea too. |
| 19:00.53 | dtzWill | is there an expected place that's semi-universal/will show up on most GUI's/etc? |
| 19:01.04 | dtzWill | maybe $HOME/internal |
| 19:01.07 | dtzWill | shrugs |
| 19:01.50 | scoutcamper | dtzWill, bind it to /root/ |
| 19:02.09 | dtzWill | scoutcamper: well i'm not sure if you wanna actually make it the home directory or not, tbh. |
| 19:02.32 | dtzWill | like maybe you should put /media/internal/root into /root or similar. |
| 19:02.33 | scoutcamper | dtzWill, true, im using /root/usb/ |
| 19:02.49 | dtzWill | i suppose i can't usefully quantify why i feel the need for not directly mapping to $HOME |
| 19:02.56 | dtzWill | (btw since we're root i'm assuming $HOME==/root/) |
| 19:03.20 | scoutcamper | yes |
| 19:04.03 | dtzWill | but IIRC we don't actually set some things up re:env variables, shrug. |
| 19:04.20 | PatrickC | tried to install xfce.. no luck |
| 19:05.00 | scoutcamper | PatrickC, upstart has an issue that prevents it from autostart dbus wich causes issues with many WM's |
| 19:05.58 | PatrickC | hmm.. ok |
| 19:07.34 | NuttyBunny | xfce4 won't run? |
| 19:07.38 | NuttyBunny | I didn't tried it |
| 19:07.40 | PatrickC | xfce4 seems to be doing fine |
| 19:07.46 | PatrickC | installing fine* |
| 19:07.57 | scoutcamper | KDE and Gnome dont work |
| 19:08.12 | PatrickC | KDE wouldn't install, so.. |
| 19:08.48 | djhomeboy | question: anyone had any issues with the F15C ocverclock?? |
| 19:09.04 | PatrickC | djhomeboy: I used it for a little while, with no issues |
| 19:09.06 | PatrickC | I use UK now |
| 19:09.07 | djhomeboy | is it too much, should I use the Uberkernel? |
| 19:09.34 | djhomeboy | Seen the CPU at 32 celcius once |
| 19:09.37 | djhomeboy | should be ok right? |
| 19:09.38 | ka6sox | OC is not really a big deal with the TP. |
| 19:09.47 | ka6sox | djhomeboy, its the battery... |
| 19:10.01 | ka6sox | no temp on CPU that we can find yet... |
| 19:10.12 | djhomeboy | ah ok |
| 19:10.20 | djhomeboy | but all i n all I should be ok?? |
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| 19:10.31 | PatrickC | djhomeboy: I had my pixi at 64°c once.. |
| 19:10.36 | djhomeboy | wow! |
| 19:10.46 | djhomeboy | Ok I think I will be fine :P |
| 19:10.50 | PatrickC | hehe :) |
| 19:11.11 | ka6sox | PatrickC <<< disengages the Safeties :P |
| 19:11.25 | PatrickC | lol |
| 19:11.32 | PatrickC | has no safety limit |
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| 19:11.39 | PatrickC | everything is game! :P |
| 19:11.54 | djhomeboy | I am so disappointed that WebOS is in Jeopardy.. its such an amazing platform |
| 19:12.21 | djhomeboy | I'd choose it over any OS right now |
| 19:12.27 | ka6sox | I have several Android devices...they work OK... |
| 19:12.36 | scoutcamper | webos FTW |
| 19:12.44 | matbee | honestly, if WP7 had better devices |
| 19:12.55 | matbee | id be getting one of those |
| 19:12.59 | djhomeboy | I have Andoid, Blackberry and Iphone.. WebOS has been the best |
| 19:13.07 | djhomeboy | easy to play with and mod too |
| 19:13.12 | matbee | yeah |
| 19:13.16 | grasshoper | Hi everyone, i need help with ubuntu chroot |
| 19:13.31 | scoutcamper | ~asktoask |
| 19:13.31 | infobot | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 19:13.45 | ka6sox | I've been wanting to say this for a while... patience grasshoper |
| 19:13.50 | grasshoper | I want to launch kde netbook, but startx is not recognized |
| 19:13.51 | PatrickC | haha |
| 19:14.13 | djhomeboy | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Debian_chroot |
| 19:14.16 | dtzWill | grasshoper: that's b/c x is arlready running |
| 19:14.26 | djhomeboy | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/UbuntuChroot |
| 19:14.28 | ka6sox | what he said ^^ |
| 19:14.31 | djhomeboy | take ur pick |
| 19:14.34 | dtzWill | well not recognized is b/c you don't have whatever package that's installed in |
| 19:14.42 | grasshoper | I now my way on linux ka6sox , but it's a bit difficult to figure things out here |
| 19:14.48 | dtzWill | but getting that won't help, for reasons i said |
| 19:14.51 | grasshoper | Lol |
| 19:14.58 | mib_guxnz4 | It seems that HP programmed my touchpad with an invalid serial number. it contains an O but these aren't allowed, only 0 |
| 19:15.14 | dtzWill | grasshoper: if you get kde netbook going LMK |
| 19:15.24 | mib_guxnz4 | can't download webos doctor :-( |
| 19:15.27 | dtzWill | i was interested in the same, but never having used it on a different system gave up rather quickly |
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| 19:15.38 | ka6sox | mib_guxnz4, you should call them on that. |
| 19:15.39 | grasshoper | I want to try though dtzWill |
| 19:15.42 | dtzWill | mostly b/c googling 'kde netbook' got me to all kinds of things that weren't helpful, as if kde netbook diden't exist |
| 19:15.43 | scoutcamper | dtzWill, i like KDE-Plasma TBH |
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| 19:15.56 | dtzWill | actually, is that even a thing? or jsut a specialized configuration of 'stock' kde? |
| 19:16.06 | mib_guxnz4 | ka6sox, I'm on with tier 2 phone support now. I hope they dont tell me it needs to be replaced! |
| 19:16.17 | dtzWill | (perhaps a named configuraiton, or name given to a distributions pre-configuration in a manner that's friendly to netbooks, etc?) |
| 19:16.22 | ka6sox | is the netbook remix plasma? |
| 19:16.25 | dtzWill | scoutcamper: oh? have you used it on the TP? |
| 19:16.26 | grasshoper | So, how can I configure x to start kde netbook ? |
| 19:16.31 | scoutcamper | dtzWill, nope |
| 19:16.44 | dtzWill | if anyone has anything cool running, screenshot it up please ^.^ |
| 19:16.45 | ka6sox | grasshoper, if X is already running |
| 19:16.48 | ka6sox | kdm |
| 19:17.04 | PatrickC | dtzWill: cool screenshots of what? :) |
| 19:17.12 | grasshoper | Ok, I'll go with kdm, thx |
| 19:17.26 | ka6sox | k desktop mangler should be the next thing you do. |
| 19:19.19 | PatrickC | hmm.. the keyboard dissappeared from the xterm window.. |
| 19:19.23 | PatrickC | screenshot coming |
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| 19:20.12 | dtzWill | PatrickC: apparently that happens? i haven't had it happen, but mostly i haven't done a lot of X stuff lately. really need to fix things up so you can resize X, rotate it, resize keyboard, etc |
| 19:20.32 | PatrickC | dtzWill: howtofix? |
| 19:20.36 | PatrickC | restart X? |
| 19:20.39 | PatrickC | server* |
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| 19:21.07 | dtzWill | PatrickC: yeah, but having never seen that happen i can't tell you |
| 19:21.13 | dtzWill | i do know that on startup we set keyboard to be on |
| 19:21.18 | dtzWill | and we don't handle the DISMISS event |
| 19:21.18 | PatrickC | need a screenshot? |
| 19:21.18 | dtzWill | so |
| 19:21.23 | dtzWill | i'm unsure how that can ever happen |
| 19:21.30 | PatrickC | ok.. |
| 19:21.40 | dtzWill | PatrickC: of the bug? no, i assume that's just X with the black area on the bototm, like when you have a bt installed |
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| 19:21.53 | dtzWill | i don't mean to refute the bug's existance, just that offhand i have absoltuely no idea how it happens :( |
| 19:22.15 | PatrickC | hmm.. I closed the xserver window |
| 19:22.19 | PatrickC | and opened it up again |
| 19:22.22 | PatrickC | still broke |
| 19:22.29 | dtzWill | PatrickC: do you have a bt keyboard paired with your tp? |
| 19:22.39 | PatrickC | nope |
| 19:22.42 | ka6sox | PatrickC, how did you break it? can you repeat how you broke it? |
| 19:22.45 | PatrickC | bt is turned off |
| 19:22.57 | PatrickC | ka6sox: didn't touch the screen for like 3 minutes |
| 19:23.07 | PatrickC | and left it installing xfce4 |
| 19:23.09 | PatrickC | that's it |
| 19:23.20 | ka6sox | *that* was your problem... |
| 19:23.26 | PatrickC | what? |
| 19:23.31 | ka6sox | xfce |
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| 19:23.56 | ka6sox | probably tried to install its *own* keyboard. |
| 19:24.04 | PatrickC | now how to fix? nuke the chroot and install again? |
| 19:24.20 | scoutcamper | thats the "easy" way, yes |
| 19:24.28 | ka6sox | um...don't install xfce...I read reports that xfce didn't work. |
| 19:25.51 | PatrickC | ok |
| 19:26.48 | scoutcamper | PatrickC, ive only seen 3 succesfull WM's, IceWM, E17, and lxde |
| 19:27.06 | ka6sox | done the first 2...not the last one. |
| 19:27.10 | PatrickC | scoutcamper: and you use E17? |
| 19:27.14 | scoutcamper | yep |
| 19:27.22 | ka6sox | I don't use any |
| 19:27.37 | scoutcamper | well, i have all 3 installed, but like ka6sox i rarley use any of them |
| 19:27.37 | ka6sox | WM inside of WM...foolish. |
| 19:27.55 | PatrickC | I want a desktop environment |
| 19:27.57 | ka6sox | working on alternative strategy. |
| 19:28.06 | PatrickC | for stuff like LibreOffice, etc. |
| 19:28.09 | ka6sox | PatrickC, buy a desktop |
| 19:28.11 | sailerboy | ka6sox, were you trying to do a chroot? |
| 19:28.30 | PatrickC | ka6sox: for when I'm on the go... |
| 19:28.31 | ka6sox | sailerboy, "trying"? no...already have one. |
| 19:28.56 | sailerboy | well, i mean, build another one |
| 19:29.00 | sailerboy | other than ubuntu |
| 19:30.04 | ka6sox | sailerboy, why would I? ubuntu works fine... |
| 19:30.13 | PatrickC | sailerboy: I was gonna try a different one |
| 19:30.20 | PatrickC | Bohi is the name iirc |
| 19:30.36 | scoutcamper | <3 's ubuntu |
| 19:30.59 | sailerboy | ka6sox, because you can? |
| 19:30.59 | sailerboy | idk |
| 19:31.00 | PatrickC | bodhi |
| 19:31.03 | sailerboy | i'm trying to build arch |
| 19:31.32 | ka6sox | sailerboy, I have practically NO time to do dev work...I don't like re-inventing the wheel. |
| 19:31.55 | ka6sox | since I have NO interest in running a WM In a WM... |
| 19:32.11 | ka6sox | I am working on a different strategy to use the existing WM. |
| 19:32.18 | sailerboy | ka6sox, i love reinventing the wheel |
| 19:32.32 | ka6sox | have fun! |
| 19:33.22 | scoutcamper | if i re-invented the wheel it would be a square |
| 19:33.28 | PatrickC | ummm... dtzWill ping? |
| 19:33.41 | PatrickC | xterm is still broke after I nuked ubuntu |
| 19:33.47 | PatrickC | nuke xterm next? |
| 19:34.05 | scoutcamper | PatrickC, nuke all 3, xterm, server, and xecutah |
| 19:34.07 | ka6sox | probably |
| 19:34.18 | PatrickC | ok |
| 19:34.23 | scoutcamper | and then reboot inbetween uninstall and re-install |
| 19:34.31 | ka6sox | has FS setup...no OSK. |
| 19:34.50 | scoutcamper | uses a BT keyboard and doesnt care about OSK |
| 19:35.37 | PatrickC | I have *no* vkb is any apps now |
| 19:35.56 | ka6sox | yes, but X reserves space for OSK. |
| 19:36.11 | PatrickC | ok |
| 19:36.17 | PatrickC | removing them now |
| 19:36.36 | scoutcamper | PatrickC, the disclamer at the bottom of Git.webos-internals.org explains what to do |
| 19:36.56 | jackjohn | what is the step after running ./scripts/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0 |
| 19:37.17 | ka6sox | jackjohn, what does the wiki say? |
| 19:37.19 | PatrickC | scoutcamper: why would I go to git.webos-internals.org for something that's in preware? |
| 19:38.02 | scoutcamper | its also at the bottom of the main wiki page |
| 19:38.11 | jackjohn | meta-doctor/build/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0/webosdoctorp101ueu-wr-2.1.0.jar |
| 19:38.15 | dtzWill | o_O |
| 19:38.29 | dtzWill | to be clear i was suggesting restarting X might fix X issue |
| 19:38.50 | dtzWill | you should be able to install all you want into the chroot |
| 19:39.00 | dtzWill | and otehr than the installed application(s) not working |
| 19:39.03 | ka6sox | jackjohn, thats not a wiki page... |
| 19:39.05 | dtzWill | that should not change the X server's keyboard |
| 19:39.40 | jackjohn | thats what the wiki page says |
| 19:39.49 | jackjohn | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade#MetaDoctor |
| 19:41.27 | PatrickC | reboot fixed it |
| 19:41.31 | PatrickC | after uninstalling |
| 19:42.13 | ka6sox | jackjohn, I am confused as to where you are...have you already created the modded doctor? need to mod the doctor or what? |
| 19:42.45 | mib_guxnz4 | lol. oh boy. going to level three tech support now. still no explaination for why they don't have a record of my serial |
| 19:42.58 | jackjohn | i did http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor |
| 19:43.25 | jackjohn | i did step 1 |
| 19:43.40 | jackjohn | im trying to get 2.1 on my pre- |
| 19:43.54 | ka6sox | okay so now you are ready for step 2? |
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| 19:45.37 | jackjohn | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:MetaDoctor |
| 19:46.00 | ka6sox | jackjohn, yup...you have told me that... |
| 19:46.02 | jackjohn | sorry wget http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p1351r0d01082010/sr1ntp1351rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar |
| 19:46.03 | PatrickC | hmm.. IceWM and E17 aren't found.. |
| 19:46.08 | jackjohn | i get a 404 |
| 19:46.32 | ka6sox | ah...okay now we are getting somewhere. |
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| 19:48.06 | jackjohn | ok what am i doing wrong |
| 19:48.25 | ka6sox | jackjohn, you are trying to get a 1.3.5.1 Doctor...not a 2.1.0 Doctor |
| 19:49.26 | siestacat | anyone who can help me with routers? |
| 19:49.34 | jackjohn | ok so what should my cmd be |
| 19:49.40 | siestacat | just a buying question |
| 19:49.54 | sailerboy | hey, where's the xecutah config again? |
| 19:50.57 | ka6sox | the wikipage you came from (not the meta-doctor page) should tell you which one to get. |
| 19:51.40 | jackjohn | wget wget http://palm.cdnetworks.net/rom/pre/p1351r0d01082010/sr1ntp1351rod/webosdoctorp100ewwsprint.jar |
| 19:51.40 | sailerboy | ka6sox, do you know where the xecutah config on the device is? |
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| 19:52.24 | ka6sox | jackjohn, can you show me where you are getting that from? |
| 19:52.29 | siestacat | what should I look for in a router that will be used with 10 or more devices at any one time? |
| 19:52.46 | ka6sox | sailerboy, what do you mean "config"? |
| 19:52.46 | jackjohn | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Webos_Doctor_Versions#Pre |
| 19:52.57 | sailerboy | ka6sox, the configuration file? |
| 19:53.00 | sailerboy | the whitelist |
| 19:53.16 | ka6sox | sailerboy, embedded into the app... |
| 19:53.41 | ka6sox | jackjohn, okay you need to find a 2.1.0 doctor...for a pre+ most likely...as the pre2 is different. |
| 19:53.59 | sailerboy | ka6sox, so i need to reinstall it to get it? |
| 19:54.06 | sailerboy | there's no way i can edit it once installed? |
| 19:54.49 | ka6sox | its all in git. |
| 19:54.57 | jackjohn | i have sprint pre- |
| 19:55.13 | ka6sox | jackjohn, yes, but they never made a 2.1.0 that I can find for pre- |
| 19:55.33 | ka6sox | what is the overall wikipage you are following to do this? |
| 19:55.46 | ka6sox | you have shown me the little pieces. |
| 19:56.15 | jackjohn | http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_2_Upgrade |
| 19:58.27 | ka6sox | and you are following the Sprint Pre directions? |
| 20:01.12 | ka6sox | okay you are aware that there are several serious caveats with doing this right? |
| 20:02.04 | jackjohn | i have down it previosly and it worked fine but then they replaced my phone |
| 20:02.13 | jackjohn | and i think i did the cygen method before |
| 20:03.26 | ka6sox | I have no idea of what that method was/is |
| 20:03.45 | ka6sox | sorry...I've only worked on a couple of Sprint pre2 mods... |
| 20:04.03 | ka6sox | okay I need to head out...still trying to work today. |
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| 20:05.45 | sailerboy | hey rwhitby, I edited xecutah to include my chroot and installed that to my touchpad, but it froze |
| 20:05.48 | sailerboy | i'm not quite sure why |
| 20:06.04 | sailerboy | it froze after i pushed the "ok, i've read this" thing |
| 20:06.54 | sailerboy | i modified the /app/assistants/main-assistant.js |
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| 20:09.03 | mib_guxnz4 | It seems mac mall sent me pre-release hardware. How the hell do they even have pre-release touchpads |
| 20:09.15 | mib_guxnz4 | They don't have record of my serial at hp |
| 20:09.31 | mib_guxnz4 | tier 3 tech support will be calling me at some point, to try and figure this oiut |
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| 20:13.18 | drobbins | is there a safe way to shut down the touchpad's UI so I can grab all the memory on the thing for some dev work? |
| 20:13.51 | ka6sox | you can kill luna |
| 20:14.26 | ka6sox | and then use either ssh or novaterm to the device |
| 20:14.29 | drobbins | like temporarily shut down luna, and WebAppMgr |
| 20:14.58 | drobbins | ka6sox: when you kill luna, it comes back. |
| 20:15.01 | ka6sox | yep, I should find that script I wrote a year ago. |
| 20:15.13 | ka6sox | ya, you have to find the right upstart script. |
| 20:15.14 | drobbins | is upstart spawning it? |
| 20:15.17 | ka6sox | yes |
| 20:15.18 | drobbins | ok |
| 20:15.21 | drobbins | just need a bit more RAM :) |
| 20:15.29 | ka6sox | I hear ya... |
| 20:15.30 | drobbins | and don't want to brick my touchpad in the process. |
| 20:15.43 | drobbins | any info on wiki? |
| 20:15.45 | ka6sox | swapping to SSD is bad. |
| 20:16.09 | drobbins | yeah, what is eating up all the RAM? |
| 20:16.12 | drobbins | I am guessing tmpfs |
| 20:16.14 | ka6sox | drobbins, probabaly not. |
| 20:16.27 | ka6sox | if I really need all the ram and a clean space to work... |
| 20:16.30 | drobbins | I guess I could add more swap via loopback |
| 20:16.33 | ka6sox | I reboot then kill una |
| 20:17.05 | drobbins | does webos really need all that tmpfs. |
| 20:17.18 | drobbins | it looks like every installed app creates a bunch of tmpfs |
| 20:17.20 | mib_guxnz4 | no. it doesn't. some people like to reduce it |
| 20:17.35 | drobbins | would be nice to consolidate the tmpfs to a single one. |
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| 20:17.43 | drobbins | or use loopback. |
| 20:17.51 | sirkuttin | oOze, rebooted and it worked with only one issue |
| 20:18.08 | drobbins | ka6sox: any pointers on doing that? |
| 20:18.22 | sirkuttin | oOze, it is failing to mount the partitions of sdh |
| 20:19.07 | sirkuttin | which i don't even see in fdisk |
| 20:20.01 | drobbins | ka6sox: I am guessing that webos is using chroots for apps. |
| 20:20.08 | ka6sox | jail |
| 20:20.11 | ka6sox | jails |
| 20:20.17 | drobbins | ka6sox: so it creates a little mini-tmpfs filesystem for each app. |
| 20:20.21 | ka6sox | yes |
| 20:20.41 | ka6sox | and puts the libs that are allowed to run + the app in that. |
| 20:21.06 | drobbins | for isolation. |
| 20:21.10 | ka6sox | drobbins, look @ /etc/event.d/LunaSysMgr |
| 20:21.23 | ka6sox | for clues as to how it allocates memory and works. |
| 20:21.36 | drobbins | ok |
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| 20:22.31 | ka6sox | the best thing I would do is emulate a start_update |
| 20:22.42 | ka6sox | since that shuts down luna and all its bits. |
| 20:23.18 | ka6sox | but first...I would reboot to clear out any jails. |
| 20:23.24 | drobbins | ah |
| 20:23.30 | drobbins | they get set up when an app first starts. |
| 20:23.37 | ka6sox | correct. |
| 20:23.50 | ka6sox | and as each successive app gets launched. |
| 20:23.57 | drobbins | do the jails provide process isolation? |
| 20:24.01 | drobbins | or just filesystem isolation? |
| 20:24.11 | drobbins | very good. |
| 20:24.14 | drobbins | that's easy :) |
| 20:24.28 | bhern | both really |
| 20:24.33 | mib_guxnz4 | fb454ut#aba, is this the product code you guys have? 16GB owners, that is |
| 20:24.41 | drobbins | I am having some latency issues with ssh. |
| 20:24.42 | bhern | jails are chroot envs with limited mappings. each app in a jail gets it's own low priv user id |
| 20:24.49 | drobbins | I wonder if TCP_NODELAY is turned off on ssh |
| 20:25.07 | ka6sox | drobbins, make sure the TP is plugged in when you are using ssh |
| 20:25.16 | drobbins | yep, it's plugged in |
| 20:25.18 | ka6sox | otherwise powerd will "sleep" the device. |
| 20:25.22 | bhern | look in /var/palm/jail |
| 20:25.27 | ka6sox | okay powerd isn't a factor. |
| 20:25.41 | drobbins | want to play with powerd to max the CPU when it's plugged in |
| 20:25.59 | drobbins | anyone have issues with delay typing in on ssh? |
| 20:26.09 | ka6sox | yup... |
| 20:26.16 | ka6sox | I do periodically |
| 20:26.57 | ka6sox | most of the time I use Tide and xterm if I'm using the device directly.... |
| 20:27.03 | ka6sox | or novaterm otherwise. |
| 20:27.10 | drobbins | apple keyboard doesn't work well with xterm. |
| 20:27.17 | ka6sox | nope |
| 20:27.17 | drobbins | up arrow kills the keyboard in xterm. |
| 20:27.29 | ka6sox | need keyboard mappings for it...for X |
| 20:27.33 | dtzWill | drobbins: kills? makes the keyboard disappear? |
| 20:27.36 | dtzWill | makes x crash? |
| 20:27.47 | drobbins | dtzWill: makes keyboard not work until you kill X and restart it. |
| 20:27.52 | dtzWill | interesting. |
| 20:27.54 | drobbins | touchpad UI is fine. |
| 20:27.58 | drobbins | with keyboard. |
| 20:28.15 | ka6sox | mappings sounds like :( |
| 20:28.21 | drobbins | so it kills X from reading from the keyboard would be a better way to describe it |
| 20:28.24 | drobbins | yep |
| 20:28.39 | dtzWill | drobbins: can you file issue here: http://redmine.webos-internals.org/projects/xserver/issues/new ? |
| 20:28.44 | drobbins | I am looking for any iptables tweaks that turn off tcp_nodelay. |
| 20:28.51 | drobbins | dtzWill: yes, I will |
| 20:28.57 | dtzWill | err, actually, is that something people can do? (drobbins, sorry for fake-out if not) |
| 20:29.05 | dtzWill | lmk if that works, else i'l never keep track of all these >.< |
| 20:30.01 | ka6sox | yup...thats what its there for. |
| 20:30.30 | drobbins | would be neat to do a packet capture on the ssh session to see if the TCP flags are getting set correctly |
| 20:30.39 | drobbins | it "feels" like it's TCP_NODELAY disabled. |
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| 20:32.45 | Tibfib_ | rwhitby: have you looked at the angry birds slingshot code? |
| 20:32.48 | Tibfib_ | Do you know where it is? |
| 20:32.51 | Tibfib_ | or anyone else here? |
| 20:33.22 | PatrickC_chroot | hey all |
| 20:33.23 | ka6sox | drobbins, tcpdump iirc is either on the device or is in optware. |
| 20:33.25 | drobbins | Tibfib: is there code available? |
| 20:33.37 | Tibfib | drobbins: what do you mean? |
| 20:33.43 | PatrickC_chroot | ka6sox, got it working |
| 20:34.01 | drobbins | Tibfib: for angry birds |
| 20:34.07 | Tibfib | oh |
| 20:34.11 | Tibfib | sorry, in the os itself |
| 20:34.19 | ka6sox | PatrickC_chroot, good. |
| 20:34.23 | drobbins | for touch input then |
| 20:34.28 | drobbins | for press and drag stuff |
| 20:34.31 | PatrickC_chroot | used fluxbox |
| 20:34.46 | ka6sox | PatrickC_chroot, write it up in the wiki. |
| 20:34.50 | Tibfib | drobbins: lemme try this again. |
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| 20:35.03 | Tibfib | Does anyone know where in the os the angry birds slingshot code is triggered? |
| 20:35.03 | PatrickC_chroot | ka6sox, the chroot wiki? |
| 20:35.04 | PatrickC_chroot | ok |
| 20:35.21 | drobbins | Tibfib: was not trying to be a pain, would just be surprised if there were source code for angry birds out there :) |
| 20:35.23 | ka6sox | drobbins, tcpdump is native. |
| 20:35.37 | Tibfib | drobbins: oh I know, my question was badly worded |
| 20:35.51 | Tibfib | I just want to make a patch so the sound triggers at ANY orientation |
| 20:36.38 | drobbins | ka6sox: cool |
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| 20:38.35 | drobbins | hrm |
| 20:38.38 | drobbins | tcp_ecn is enabled. |
| 20:39.09 | drobbins | turned it off, will see if that solves it |
| 20:39.18 | jackjohn | when i run meta-doctor/build/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0/webosdoctorp101ueu-wr-2.1.0.jar - i get permission denied |
| 20:39.27 | drobbins | seems a lot better. |
| 20:39.33 | ka6sox | drobbins, good. |
| 20:39.35 | drobbins | may be coincidence. |
| 20:40.00 | NuttyBunny | jackjohn, use "java -jar meta-doctor/build/meta-sprint-pre-2.1.0/webosdoctorp101ueu-wr-2.1.0.jar" |
| 20:40.00 | drobbins | others may want to try "echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn" and see if it helps. |
| 20:41.35 | ka6sox | drobbins, seems faster to me. |
| 20:41.44 | drobbins | so I'm not imagining it then |
| 20:41.48 | ka6sox | and a bit less laggy. |
| 20:42.58 | jackjohn | i get unable to access jar file when i do that |
| 20:44.07 | drobbins | seems a lot better |
| 20:44.37 | jackjohn | i changed permissions on the jar file to run as exeuctible and that worked |
| 20:45.27 | drobbins | now ECN is supposed to help latency |
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| 20:46.30 | jackjohn | how do i put the phone into that mode to rebuild? |
| 20:46.30 | ka6sox | go figure |
| 20:46.36 | linuxjacques | the ssh latency issue comes and goes for me |
| 20:46.36 | drobbins | yeah |
| 20:46.47 | drobbins | linuxjacques: try turning off ecn and see if it helps or not |
| 20:46.48 | linuxjacques | but it seriously impacts my use |
| 20:47.09 | drobbins | linuxjacques: change was pretty significant for me, and immediate |
| 20:47.10 | linuxjacques | drobbins: I will, unfortunately I am not near my tp right now |
| 20:47.21 | drobbins | it seems "fixed" now |
| 20:47.41 | linuxjacques | if that fixes it, that would be excelent |
| 20:47.51 | mib_guxnz4 | I see that webos quick installl has a patch "unset cfq io scheduler." it explains that it forces the io scheduler to cfq. What is the touchpads kernel set to by default? and does anyone have anything positive to report about trying this one? |
| 20:47.55 | linuxjacques | excellent |
| 20:48.09 | linuxjacques | webchat is behaving strangely, not scrolling on new messages |
| 20:48.13 | linuxjacques | on some channels only |
| 20:49.15 | jackjohn | ok i got in recovery mode |
| 20:49.47 | jackjohn | i got my vm linux machine asking to connect device |
| 20:50.13 | PuffTheMagic | drobbins: stop LunaSysMgr |
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| 20:50.45 | jackjohn | how do i get the vm to grab the palm via usb |
| 20:51.19 | jackjohn | i see the usb option within the linux machine, there are a couple palm options, but neither seem to grab it |
| 20:54.24 | drobbins | I just had some delay |
| 20:54.33 | drobbins | seems to be when I use arrows. |
| 20:54.49 | drobbins | but that was the first delay in like 10 mins |
| 20:54.55 | ka6sox | arrows aren't officially supported. |
| 20:55.17 | ka6sox | at least I haven't had much luck... |
| 20:57.21 | dtzWill | ka6sox, drobbins: arrow keys are not support at the moment. fix is easy, but since I haven't had a dev session with my bt keyboard paired I just haven't added those. being non-printable characters, they require special handling. |
| 20:57.22 | drobbins | I can try turning off compression in sshd and see if that helps more. |
| 20:57.39 | dtzWill | are we talking about ssh-ing /to/ the device? b/c fixing that latency would be amazing. |
| 20:57.41 | drobbins | dtzWill: yep - was talking about delay over ssh using arrow keys |
| 20:57.53 | dtzWill | ..oh. not using X? I'm talking about things via X. |
| 20:58.15 | drobbins | the arrow key issue I had with the keyboard and xterm was the apple arrow keys killing X input. |
| 20:58.24 | drobbins | but I am looking at ssh delays during line editing now. |
| 20:58.56 | drobbins | sshd does appear to enable compression by default. That could introduce some delay for small packets. |
| 20:58.59 | drobbins | will try turning that off. |
| 20:59.06 | dwc- | check the niceness on your sshd too |
| 20:59.17 | dwc- | by default, it's niced, iirc, so as not to interfere with the UI as muc |
| 20:59.18 | dwc- | h |
| 20:59.19 | ka6sox | I thought we had pulled that out in a previous version. |
| 20:59.23 | linuxjacques | it does? wow I shoulda looked at that |
| 20:59.36 | drobbins | dwc-: ah, that combined with compression, which requires CPU, could be causing some delays. |
| 20:59.59 | linuxjacques | I really thought the ssh delay was a wifi power-saving "feature" |
| 21:00.05 | dwc- | could be that too |
| 21:00.17 | ka6sox | powerd is disabled when its plugged in. |
| 21:00.32 | dtzWill | did we see if nagle's is on? |
| 21:00.33 | linuxjacques | but not when it's on the ts :-\ |
| 21:00.39 | ka6sox | ya, bummers |
| 21:00.47 | drobbins | dtzWill: not yet |
| 21:01.20 | drobbins | dtzWill: will check in a bit, if it's wrong, I can fix it with iptables. |
| 21:01.22 | linuxjacques | I think the super-long topic in this channel is causing webchat to not advance on new lines |
| 21:01.29 | dtzWill | excellent |
| 21:01.51 | drobbins | my first mission is to kill all interactively latency over ssh |
| 21:01.55 | drobbins | interactive |
| 21:02.06 | linuxjacques | that would make my day |
| 21:02.11 | ka6sox | drobbins, if you find a fix please let us know and we can see about getting the fix into the next ssh release. |
| 21:02.15 | linuxjacques | it's so annoying |
| 21:02.18 | drobbins | ka6sox: ok |
| 21:02.31 | drobbins | I really think the ECN helped a ton |
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| 21:02.40 | drobbins | it fixed issues in editors. |
| 21:02.54 | drobbins | line editing over ssh can be a bit weird with arrow keys -- those are small packets. |
| 21:03.03 | drobbins | I am thinking compression overhead atm. |
| 21:04.04 | drobbins | turning off compression seems to help |
| 21:04.08 | linuxjacques | maybe compression algo minimum block size ? |
| 21:04.29 | drobbins | perfect now |
| 21:04.51 | dtzWill | i'll have to check when i'm home, my office wifi is turrible :( |
| 21:05.02 | drobbins | Compression no in /opt/etc/openssh/sshd_config |
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| 21:05.10 | drobbins | "Compression no" |
| 21:05.31 | drobbins | then kill sshd, log out, log back in. |
| 21:05.42 | ka6sox | and you disabled tcp_ecn too? |
| 21:05.46 | drobbins | yes |
| 21:06.08 | drobbins | echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn |
| 21:06.13 | ka6sox | those are simple fixes. |
| 21:06.18 | drobbins | try it, see how you like it |
| 21:06.49 | ka6sox | will do...and get feedback from a number of folks...if it comes out as good as its working for me now...I'm happy. |
| 21:06.52 | mib_guxnz4 | prewares description of wirc says something aboiut needing to run emergency fstab fixer as a prerequisite. I don't see this in preware. Is this a requirement for the touchpad? |
| 21:07.45 | dgarbs | anyone here work with both enyo and titanium mobile? |
| 21:08.02 | mib_guxnz4 | I'm sorry, it sounds like a stupid question, but I really don't see it anywhere |
| 21:09.44 | dtzWill | mib_guxnz4: i beleive that was a requirement to have somewhere for wirc to save files |
| 21:09.57 | dtzWill | in order for it to write to /media/internal, you had to fix the fstab. |
| 21:10.04 | dtzWill | i don't think this has ever been an issue on the touchpad |
| 21:10.19 | dtzWill | (and was fixed in 1.4.5 iirc, but only for doctor'd/new devices, not OTA'd ones) |
| 21:10.26 | mib_guxnz4 | ok. as long as it's not destructive to the device or something. going to just try |
| 21:10.31 | dtzWill | (hence the need for the fstab tool/patch deal) |
| 21:11.07 | dtzWill | maybe project "documentation update" can include the preware app descriptions... |
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| 21:12.36 | drobbins | I think there is a delay introduced because up/down-arrow causes the shell to read a history file. |
| 21:12.46 | drobbins | and that is slow in busybox |
| 21:12.50 | drobbins | ? |
| 21:12.57 | bhern | the fstab fixup issue was only for older OS versions. current (2.1 and later) should have the correct fstab |
| 21:13.35 | linuxjacques | drobbins: could be, bb is rather configurable and some of the algos are linear |
| 21:13.37 | drobbins | sshd has a niceness of 5 |
| 21:13.48 | drobbins | that is the only time I am seeing a delay now. |
| 21:14.00 | drobbins | up/down-arrow for history |
| 21:14.10 | linuxjacques | they have lots of space/speed trade-offs configurable at build-time |
| 21:14.26 | dtzWill | drobbins: use optware to install a new shell, and see if that helps? |
| 21:14.31 | drobbins | yeah |
| 21:14.51 | dtzWill | good call though |
| 21:14.55 | dtzWill | is excited to have these issues sorted out |
| 21:15.10 | drobbins | sometimes there is no delay for up/down arrow |
| 21:15.15 | drobbins | sometimes it sits there for a sec or two. |
| 21:15.19 | drobbins | all other lag seems gone now |
| 21:15.41 | drobbins | nice tweak should help as well |
| 21:16.25 | drobbins | but it's very useable now. |
| 21:17.06 | dtzWill | good, i look forward to poking at that when i get home :D |
| 21:18.37 | PuffTheMagic | mib_guxnz4: no its not |
| 21:19.50 | linuxjacques | yeah I use bash from optware on the tp |
| 21:26.10 | ka6sox | samehere |
| 21:26.39 | linuxjacques | got tired of bb's quicky history behavior |
| 21:26.59 | linuxjacques | s/c/r/ |
| 21:27.42 | ka6sox | bb is *always* a compromise |
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| 21:28.59 | scorche | I assume there is no reason I should refrain from installing 3.0.2 on my touchpad? |
| 21:29.18 | linuxjacques | less than no reason |
| 21:29.30 | linuxjacques | 3.0.2 >> 3.0.0 |
| 21:30.23 | scorche | ok - thanks |
| 21:30.44 | ka6sox | scorche, fixed a number of quirks for me.... |
| 21:32.08 | halfhalo | its what should have shipped with the tp. |
| 21:32.43 | linuxjacques | yep |
| 21:32.44 | NuttyBunny | way better than 3.0.0 |
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| 21:33.40 | dgarbs | doctor vs update |
| 21:33.42 | dgarbs | which is better? |
| 21:33.51 | rboatright | no difference |
| 21:33.59 | linuxjacques | depends |
| 21:34.03 | bhern | doctor will be cleanest. any cruft accumulation |
| 21:34.23 | Tibfib | well update won't require to sign in again |
| 21:34.25 | dgarbs | thats what I was thinking bhern |
| 21:34.26 | bhern | but you may lose some local state, etc |
| 21:34.36 | dgarbs | it's a brand new touchpad |
| 21:34.41 | bhern | some apps save data in their local app dir, etc. you lost those on a restore |
| 21:34.42 | linuxjacques | if you want to do things like dev mode by default, usbnet by default, ext3fs partition, etc. it's best to metadoctor and doctor |
| 21:35.00 | dgarbs | i haven't tried metadoctor yet, but I think i'll give that a go |
| 21:36.03 | ka6sox | dgarbs, especially if you want to have a chroot :D |
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| 21:36.28 | dgarbs | I do, but I think I'd rather use the image file |
| 21:36.38 | dgarbs | i don't like partitions |
| 21:36.52 | dgarbs | image file gives me the flexibility to remove it easily |
| 21:37.32 | ka6sox | not recommended from a number of standpoints... |
| 21:37.42 | ka6sox | including interfering with OTA. |
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| 21:38.21 | Cerealklr | Hey all. Is there a relatively solid tutorial for installing an Ubuntu chroot (as opposed to a plain debian one) available yet? |
| 21:38.25 | dgarbs | i see |
| 21:38.36 | dgarbs | are the key mappings figured out for ubuntu yet? |
| 21:38.53 | ka6sox | mostly |
| 21:39.14 | ka6sox | you can help with that :D |
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| 21:40.20 | NuttyBunny | Cerealklr, Not yet, I'm working on it ;) |
| 21:40.51 | Cerealklr | NuttyBunny: Good seeing you again! Let me know when you have something you want vetted -- I'd be more than happy to be a guinea pig |
| 21:41.36 | Cerealklr | And I have 1 of each U.S. TouchPad available to guinea pig with (though I doubt there'd be any difference, quantitative testing is still always good. =P) |
| 21:45.16 | NuttyBunny | Cerealklr: It works on my TP, the problem is not testing, but documenting ;D |
| 21:45.44 | Cerealklr | NuttyBunny: If I can get a terminal history log I might be able to help with that too. =P |
| 21:46.52 | Cerealklr | I've had to document other processes like this before at work (I'm a Tech for a school district. We need to chronicle stuff religiously because the district would collapse and burn without us). |
| 21:47.23 | mib_guxnz4 | does anyone have a favorite webos ebook reader that supports the mobi format? |
| 21:48.42 | rboatright | pReader. Download the pReader Native which is in alpha but really works well through Preware. |
| 21:49.11 | rboatright | the regular pReader has to use a javascript unzipper, which is not horrible, but is somewhat slow. The native uses compiled code. |
| 21:50.01 | mib_guxnz4 | I see. Thanks for the tip. |
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| 21:53.29 | Ironsight | http://pastebin.com/hRQeHzQH ubuntu running in virtualbox on windows 7 host, trying to setup the pdk on ubuntu server, 7zip errors out saying no such archive |
| 21:54.01 | Ironsight | on make setup |
| 21:54.19 | Ironsight | using http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/WebOS_Internals_PDK for the setup |
| 21:55.14 | Ironsight | ooh, I am missing the xar deb files as pointed out in note2, nvm |
| 21:59.37 | Ironsight | hrm, perhaps after I install the 2 xar packages I need to make clean? |
| 22:00.35 | Cerealklr | You're using Ubuntu 11.04 then? |
| 22:01.49 | Ironsight | yeah |
| 22:01.56 | Ironsight | 11.04 server |
| 22:02.04 | Ironsight | x64 |
| 22:02.10 | Ironsight | amd64 that is |
| 22:02.14 | Cerealklr | yep |
| 22:02.55 | Cerealklr | and everything up to "make setup" has worked without complaint? |
| 22:03.07 | Ironsight | indeed |
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| 22:03.17 | insutantu1 | Hello! |
| 22:03.22 | Ironsight | hello :) |
| 22:03.41 | Cerealklr | And you're still getting the error you pastebinned prior? |
| 22:03.47 | Ironsight | yes |
| 22:03.55 | insutantu1 | Does anyone know much about WebOS development by any chance? I'm working on my first application and had one more thing I needed but I can't figure out how to do it. |
| 22:04.04 | Cerealklr | Okay, give me a few minutes to familiarize myself with the makefile |
| 22:04.25 | Ironsight | I got nothing but time :) |
| 22:04.39 | rboatright | insutantu1 what do you need to know? |
| 22:04.43 | Ironsight | waiting for my touchpad has been brutal lol |
| 22:04.47 | Cerealklr | insutantu1: You might be better suited in the #webos room for more general development issues, or, failing that, perhaps the development forums at developer.palm.com |
| 22:04.57 | Cerealklr | Oh, looks like someone's available |
| 22:05.00 | Cerealklr | =P |
| 22:05.22 | insutantu1 | I have an application that displays images and I want to make it so that when you tap the image/hold the image, it prompts to save it as your Wallpaper. I'm not really finding many resources online and I'm not too familiar with WebOS development. Thanks!!! |
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| 22:06.17 | sailerboy | insutantu1, i'm kind of in the same boat xD |
| 22:06.24 | sailerboy | good luck with what you're doing |
| 22:06.59 | insutantu1 | Haha, thanks. Have you had any luck yet?!? Everything is finished with my application EXCEPT for that. :( |
| 22:07.56 | Ironsight | did I mention, just before this, I found I hadn't installed virtualbox-ose thanks to make setup telling me |
| 22:08.48 | Ironsight | Cerealklr, ^, but then I installed it, and tried again, then realized I forgot xar and libxar1, and got those |
| 22:09.31 | Cerealklr | did you try a make clean after reinstalling everything necessary |
| 22:09.36 | Ironsight | no |
| 22:09.47 | Cerealklr | and starting again from the last known good step (the last one in which you'd properly completed all prerequisites?) |
| 22:09.50 | Cerealklr | Give that a shot then |
| 22:09.57 | Cerealklr | I'm trying to replicate your issue |
| 22:09.58 | Ironsight | k |
| 22:10.17 | Ironsight | right now I'm doing a sudo aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 22:10.43 | Ironsight | since that was under note2, and I think I forgot to do that too *facepalm* |
| 22:11.03 | Cerealklr | =P |
| 22:11.36 | Ironsight | been up for 2 days trying to make a usable build enviroment, a little burned out |
| 22:11.46 | Cerealklr | I know how that can be |
| 22:12.14 | Ironsight | tried windows with codesourcery, that worked for single simple cpp files, but not say, real projects using like cmake and the like |
| 22:12.17 | scorche | I am currently trying to install Preware from a windows system - on http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Application:Preware#Installing_Preware_with_the_Standalone_Installer step 5 it says to click tools and then choose install drivers to install the Novacom drivers - that option is not there on the 1.5.0 version of the Preware installer |
| 22:12.48 | nebula | just extract the installer from the webos image |
| 22:13.19 | Ironsight | ahh, virtualbox-ose update |
| 22:13.23 | nebula | s/installer/novacom_driver/ |
| 22:13.24 | Ironsight | that might fix the issue |
| 22:13.25 | Cerealklr | scorche: I don't know if someone else can help you with that method, but I can help you with installation via either WebOS Quick Install or via Palm Novacom, if your issues persist. |
| 22:13.54 | scorche | ok - i will try the "Installing Preware with WebOS Quick Install" method |
| 22:16.40 | ziplock503-pre | quick install is awesome |
| 22:20.16 | Ironsight | I did a make clean, went back, make toolchain, setup scratchbox again, then make setup, still same error |
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| 22:21.32 | Cerealklr | Ironsight: I'm about to do make toolchain. I've got to build up to the point you're at to get access to the toolchain, which takes over fairly quickly from the makefile, to find out what's going wrong |
| 22:21.58 | Ironsight | k |
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| 22:22.43 | trsohmers | Hello? |
| 22:22.58 | Ironsight | heya tr, how's the droid port goin? |
| 22:23.09 | dtzWill | trsohmers: o/ :) |
| 22:23.16 | trsohmers | OK |
| 22:24.06 | Ironsight | cool :) |
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| 22:24.49 | trsohmers | So I had a quick question |
| 22:24.52 | scorche | yeah - webOS quick install is nifty - thanks =) |
| 22:25.04 | trsohmers | is there any way to make a webOS doctor flashable folder from a device? |
| 22:25.32 | trsohmers | so a low level partition backup |
| 22:25.49 | Cerealklr | scorche: Glad to help! |
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| 22:26.32 | trsohmers | ? |
| 22:26.55 | Ironsight | might wanna ask in #webos too |
| 22:27.13 | Parallax | #webos more like #weaboos am I right |
| 22:27.22 | Ironsight | hehe |
| 22:28.06 | dtzWill | trsohmers: what are you asking, i'm sorry? |
| 22:28.22 | trsohmers | a way to be able to make a full low level backup of a webOS device |
| 22:28.25 | trsohmers | specifically the Touchpad |
| 22:28.27 | dtzWill | i'm parsing your question as "from my device i would like to flash a folder with a webos doctor" |
| 22:28.31 | dtzWill | oh |
| 22:28.47 | dtzWill | trsohmers: of the disk? |
| 22:28.53 | trsohmers | yea |
| 22:29.17 | dtzWill | dd over novaterm? |
| 22:29.35 | trsohmers | hmmm |
| 22:30.10 | trsohmers | but no way to make it into a webOS Doctor flashable folder? |
| 22:30.40 | dtzWill | what is a webos doctor flashable folder :/ |
| 22:30.46 | NuttyBunny | trsohmers: you can go and play with the partitions |
| 22:30.47 | dtzWill | you mean something you can construct a webos doctor form? |
| 22:30.57 | trsohmers | dtzWill: I suppose |
| 22:31.05 | trsohmers | Basically⦠is there anyway to clone a webOS device |
| 22:31.15 | NuttyBunny | dtzWill, trsohmers: sure |
| 22:31.21 | Ironsight | I think he means he wants to make an image of / of his touchpad, put it on his computer, play with the image, then make it into a reflashable webos image |
| 22:31.22 | NuttyBunny | ask the guy with the 2.1 Pixis :P |
| 22:31.28 | dtzWill | my understanding, and this could be wrong, is that the webos doctor sets up the partitions using lvm/mkfs/etc, and then copies the rootfs/etc where they go... |
| 22:31.35 | trsohmers | so you can take one webOS device and transfer the entire filesystem, all the partitions, etc onto another device |
| 22:31.50 | NuttyBunny | you could, but it can cause problems |
| 22:31.52 | trsohmers | Ironsight: Don't want to play with it at all |
| 22:32.18 | dtzWill | does the disk contain device-specific information? |
| 22:32.20 | trsohmers | rwhitby: You there? |
| 22:32.23 | dtzWill | (open question, i'm unsure of answer) |
| 22:32.33 | NuttyBunny | you better create the partitions backups with meta doctor, and when you need to restore them, just set up the lvm volumes and restore everything, it's not that hard |
| 22:32.59 | NuttyBunny | but you won't ask the guy with the 2.1 Pixis, cause he's gone |
| 22:33.07 | trsohmers | Ok.. |
| 22:33.34 | NuttyBunny | but I told you the basics, meta doctor's target is "backup" |
| 22:33.58 | Ironsight | so basically then you want to make a flash image for web doctor of what you currently have on your touchpad? |
| 22:33.58 | trsohmers | NuttyBunny: Could you give me a link? |
| 22:34.03 | trsohmers | or is it just a metadoctor? |
| 22:34.10 | trsohmers | just go to the wiki page |
| 22:34.23 | NuttyBunny | trsohmers: wiki page, it's the same meta doctor for everyone :D |
| 22:34.31 | trsohmers | Heh |
| 22:34.37 | dtzWill | oh i see, metadoctor actually supports making a device backup |
| 22:34.44 | dtzWill | lol using dd, tar, and cat :) |
| 22:34.56 | NuttyBunny | yep |
| 22:35.05 | NuttyBunny | dtzWill, It works, I used that for the Pixis :D |
| 22:35.33 | Ironsight | Cerealklr, were you able to replicate the makefile issue I shown? |
| 22:35.39 | NuttyBunny | proudly holds his (slow) 2.1 Pixi :D |
| 22:35.50 | sailerboy | what is the best webos device? |
| 22:35.52 | trsohmers | Hmm |
| 22:35.55 | sailerboy | other than the touchpad? |
| 22:35.58 | trsohmers | maybe I just don't understand |
| 22:36.06 | Tibfib | pre3. |
| 22:36.19 | trsohmers | I don't see anything about backing a device up on the MetaDoctor page |
| 22:36.38 | NuttyBunny | no, you have to look into the code :D |
| 22:36.45 | dtzWill | trsohmers: download the metadoctor and look at the makefile |
| 22:36.52 | NuttyBunny | I'll tell you later how to do it if you don't find it before |
| 22:36.52 | oilsworkn | documentation sucks |
| 22:37.08 | dtzWill | backup/mount targets in particular |
| 22:37.12 | trsohmers | Ok Nut |
| 22:37.31 | dtzWill | uses tar/dd on the partitions ;), told ya :) |
| 22:37.38 | dtzWill | didn't realize we had it all rolled up nicely though |
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| 22:38.05 | dtzWill | NuttyBunny: is there no concerns about using the same tokens/etc on multiple devices? |
| 22:38.18 | trsohmers | I'll be on later |
| 22:38.37 | Ironsight | Cerealklr, I used ubuntu-11.04-server-amd64.iso to build it on virtualbox 4.0.12 r72916 64bit, if it makes any difference |
| 22:38.48 | dtzWill | trsohmers: enjoy |
| 22:38.56 | trsohmers | http://www.precentral.net/backup |
| 22:38.57 | trsohmers | ? |
| 22:39.28 | Cerealklr | Ironsight: AFAIK, it server edition shouldn't make a difference in this case, since desktop is it + GUI + a few starting programs |
| 22:39.28 | trsohmers | Nevermind about that link |
| 22:39.52 | trsohmers | Can't find anything⦠oy |
| 22:40.23 | Ironsight | does anything gui happen on the makefile when it uses virtualbox-ose? |
| 22:40.31 | Cerealklr | Ironsight: Am on the last step before make setup. Should be able to figure something out soon, I hope |
| 22:40.35 | trsohmers | I'm a webOS moron :| |
| 22:40.38 | Ironsight | kk |
| 22:41.21 | Cerealklr | Ironsight: We'll find out in a minute, but unless it launches virtualbox (sort of weird if it did) and unless virtual box requires a window manager (I don't believe it does) that shouldn't have an effect |
| 22:41.51 | Cerealklr | if that is the issue though, we can just install X11 + Gnome on your server edition to get you going |
| 22:41.54 | Cerealklr | we'll find out in a bit |
| 22:42.13 | Cerealklr | Running make setup now. |
| 22:42.15 | dtzWill | NuttyBunny: how to restore the backup? i see what it's doing and could apply it manually, but j/w is there an automated way of doing that? |
| 22:44.56 | linuxjacques | Ironsight: how far are you on setting up the WIDK ? |
| 22:45.06 | Cerealklr | He's stuck at make setup |
| 22:45.16 | Ironsight | yep |
| 22:47.25 | Ironsight | 7zip errors out with no such archive on nova-cust-image-sdk1457.raw 0.img |
| 22:48.42 | linuxjacques | even after the xar thing? |
| 22:48.48 | Ironsight | yeah |
| 22:48.53 | linuxjacques | I mean you installed the xar packages? |
| 22:48.57 | linuxjacques | hmm |
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| 22:49.17 | Ironsight | I wget'ed the amd64 packages, then dpgk -i'ed them |
| 22:49.43 | Cerealklr | linuxjacques: It looks like a DL failure, more than anything else. |
| 22:49.53 | linuxjacques | ah |
| 22:49.56 | Cerealklr | trying to figure out where that file would be located |
| 22:50.22 | Cerealklr | @Ironsight: I just successfully make setup'd. Let me dig through my log to try and find that out |
| 22:50.43 | linuxjacques | what files are in your downloads dir ? |
| 22:51.23 | Cerealklr | Not that one, curiously |
| 22:51.52 | Cerealklr | And my entire log does not reference nova-* anywhere in it |
| 22:51.55 | Cerealklr | during the make setup stage |
| 22:51.58 | Cerealklr | 0.o |
| 22:52.00 | linuxjacques | I think that's extracted from another, like maybe the .dmg |
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| 22:52.17 | Cerealklr | That would make sense |
| 22:52.21 | Cerealklr | let me dig for it |
| 22:53.16 | linuxjacques | looks like dmg filesa re in doctors dir, not downloads |
| 22:53.39 | linuxjacques | I have Palm_webOS_SDK.1.4.5.465.dmg and Palm_webOS_SDK.3.0.0.643.dmg |
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| 22:54.11 | Cerealklr | linuxjacques: If it is extracted, it also gets cleaned up after setup |
| 22:54.19 | Cerealklr | I can't find it anywhere in the directory or its children |
| 22:55.11 | linuxjacques | look at the Makefile |
| 22:55.28 | linuxjacques | doctors/palm-sdk_1.4.5-svn307799-sdk1457-pho465_i386.deb |
| 22:55.32 | linuxjacques | is the dep for it |
| 22:55.49 | linuxjacques | I don't have that because I do make setup-armv7 |
| 22:56.00 | linuxjacques | I don't need/use the x86 stuff |
| 22:56.04 | Cerealklr | hmm |
| 22:56.31 | Cerealklr | oh wow, i'm blind |
| 22:56.35 | Cerealklr | that is two separate files |
| 22:56.46 | Cerealklr | Ironsight: could you paste me the link to your pastebin again? |
| 22:56.54 | Ironsight | sure |
| 22:57.05 | Ironsight | http://pastebin.com/hRQeHzQH |
| 22:57.21 | Cerealklr | here's mine by the way, in case you think of anything |
| 22:57.24 | Cerealklr | http://pastebin.com/YsMQhJxP |
| 22:58.47 | Cerealklr | SDK 1.4.5.465.vmdk.zip |
| 22:58.47 | linuxjacques | Ironsight: are you planning on using the emulator? |
| 22:58.57 | Ironsight | no |
| 22:59.01 | Cerealklr | it extracts nova-cust-image-sdk1457.vmdk from that, successfully |
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| 22:59.08 | Ironsight | virtualbox in a virtualbox would be stupid |
| 22:59.12 | linuxjacques | then do make setup-armv7 |
| 22:59.27 | Cerealklr | And then it uses VBoxManage to clone that to: "nova-cust-image-sdk1457.raw" |
| 22:59.36 | Cerealklr | one of the two images in question |
| 22:59.53 | Cerealklr | it succeeded at that to |
| 22:59.59 | Cerealklr | leaving the errored line: "7z x -y -orootfs/i686/extract rootfs/i686/extract/nova-cust-image-sdk1457.raw 0.img" |
| 23:00.02 | Cerealklr | so the issue is |
| 23:00.05 | Cerealklr | 0.img |
| 23:00.24 | Cerealklr | or so I assume |
| 23:01.02 | linuxjacques | is doctors/palm-sdk_1.4.5-svn307799-sdk1457-pho465_i386.deb maybe corrupted? |
| 23:01.16 | Ironsight | could be? |
| 23:01.18 | Cerealklr | well, looking at the error log |
| 23:01.22 | Cerealklr | it's truncated |
| 23:01.25 | Cerealklr | but it seems your first error |
| 23:01.29 | Cerealklr | actually occured |
| 23:01.31 | Cerealklr | before make setup |
| 23:01.42 | linuxjacques | is fs full? |
| 23:01.55 | Cerealklr | no, it's definitely truncated |
| 23:02.07 | Cerealklr | I assume his history buffer isn't big enough |
| 23:02.08 | Ironsight | oh man, / is 94% in use |
| 23:02.11 | Cerealklr | that's the usual case |
| 23:02.36 | Cerealklr | @Ironsight: How much space does that leave free? |
| 23:02.39 | Ironsight | it only has 412 megs free |
| 23:02.45 | bpadalino | whoops |
| 23:02.46 | Cerealklr | that may well be the issue |
| 23:02.50 | Cerealklr | =D |
| 23:02.53 | linuxjacques | WIDK requires boucoup space |
| 23:03.04 | Ironsight | can I grow a virtualbox drie? |
| 23:03.09 | Ironsight | drive* |
| 23:03.30 | Cerealklr | depends on the format you stored it in |
| 23:03.34 | Cerealklr | but typically yes |
| 23:03.35 | linuxjacques | s/bou/beau/ |
| 23:03.42 | Ironsight | ext4 |
| 23:04.07 | Cerealklr | linuxjacques: I actually googled it when you said it. Apparently it has an accurate meaning in Vietnamese. I was confused and impressed for a minute. =D |
| 23:04.08 | Ironsight | I'll give it a couple more gigs... |
| 23:05.10 | Ironsight | hrm, doesn't seem to be a setting in virtualbox to expand the partition :( |
| 23:05.22 | Cerealklr | Yea, it's a lot more manual than that, IIRC |
| 23:05.24 | Ironsight | guess I start from scratch |
| 23:05.32 | Ironsight | would be quicker lol |
| 23:05.38 | Cerealklr | well, that may be true |
| 23:05.40 | Cerealklr | =D |
| 23:08.49 | Cerealklr | NuttyBunny: Is there any manner of intimidation or trickery I can employ to get a terminal log from you for the Ubuntu chroot'ing process? Erm, I've already got the Homebrew Documentation App, but I can buy it for my dad on his TP. =D |
| 23:09.11 | linuxjacques | Cerealklr: I knew I had seen that spelling somewhere |
| 23:09.32 | Ironsight | I figure 15 gigs should cover me |
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| 23:10.18 | linuxjacques | Ironsight: depepends on what you;re doing |
| 23:10.43 | linuxjacques | I have a 19GiB partition which is full |
| 23:10.43 | Ironsight | small sdl games |
| 23:10.57 | linuxjacques | but I have two WIDK builds in it |
| 23:12.00 | linuxjacques | I have 3GiB in downloads + doctors alone |
| 23:12.09 | ka6sox | yuck... |
| 23:12.23 | Ironsight | I will probably do my doctor stuff on windows side |
| 23:12.38 | Ironsight | and just use this virtual machine just for bulding binaries |
| 23:12.54 | linuxjacques | (my downloads and doctors dirs are shared between the WIDK instances) |
| 23:16.26 | linuxjacques | me cross-compile dir is 6.2G (not counting the other 3GiB) |
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| 23:26.21 | trsohmers | Greetings |
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| 23:28.56 | rwhitby | hey bhern ! |
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| 23:29.34 | Tibfib | rwhitby: do you happen to know where in the OS the code that controls the angry bird slingshot sound resides? |
| 23:29.57 | Tibfib | I'm going to guess deep in the os that isn't patch-able |
| 23:30.21 | rwhitby | Tibfib: in LunaSysMgr binary |
| 23:30.21 | linuxjacques | probably in lunasysmgr |
| 23:30.26 | Tibfib | yeah |
| 23:30.32 | Tibfib | so not patch-able |
| 23:30.35 | Tibfib | :/ |
| 23:30.35 | sailerboy | hey rwhitby, I'm somewhat unclear on how to tell palm-package to include pmPostInstall and PreRemove |
| 23:30.38 | rwhitby | Tibfib: but the audio clip should be replaceable |
| 23:30.47 | sailerboy | i've been unable to find anything on the wiki or any forums |
| 23:30.48 | sailerboy | any ideas? |
| 23:30.52 | rwhitby | sailerboy: see the Makefile in the Hello! repo |
| 23:30.56 | linuxjacques | Tibfib: binary patchable :-) |
| 23:30.57 | Tibfib | rwhitby: ah, I want to make the slingshot sound to trigger from ANY orientation |
| 23:31.10 | Tibfib | linuxjacques: heh, that's out of my range of knowledge |
| 23:31.36 | sailerboy | rwhitby, oh, so i just have to add it manually? |
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| 23:32.40 | linuxjacques | Tibfib: best case there are filename strings for the "special" and "normal" cases. you could in theory replace "normal" case with "special" |
| 23:33.07 | linuxjacques | assuming the audio data isn't linked into the luna binary |
| 23:33.13 | Tibfib | yeah |
| 23:33.17 | rwhitby | sailerboy: palm-package doesn't understand postinst scripts, since they do things as root so not allowed in app catalog |
| 23:33.20 | Tibfib | it might be locked down, rovio might not want it released |
| 23:33.31 | Tibfib | I'll do some investigating then |
| 23:33.38 | sailerboy | rwhitby, right |
| 23:33.50 | Tibfib | thanks linuxjacques! |
| 23:36.38 | trsohmers | rwhitby: I was looking into metadoctor's Makefile to try to see how to do a low level backup... |
| 23:36.46 | trsohmers | but I can't quite figure it out :| |
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| 23:37.03 | insutantu | I need help with this code it's not running correctly here's a link to it: http://codetidy.com/1066/ i'm trying to get it to save the image as a wallpaper |
| 23:37.05 | trsohmers | I also couldn't find much written about it online... |
| 23:37.08 | rwhitby | time to learn shell scripting then |
| 23:37.15 | rwhitby | the source is there, nothing more is needed. |
| 23:37.22 | trsohmers | I did find this... |
| 23:37.27 | Ironsight | it's basically dd isn't it? |
| 23:37.43 | trsohmers | I'm guessing .PHONY: backup |
| 23:37.47 | trsohmers | that whole piece |
| 23:38.50 | rwhitby | ~utsl |
| 23:38.50 | infobot | it has been said that utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?). Real Men don't write documentation; if it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand. |
| 23:38.51 | rwhitby | infobot: botslap |
| 23:38.51 | infobot | ACTION cowers away from rwhitby |
| 23:39.48 | trsohmers | Hahaha |
| 23:40.39 | trsohmers | *facepalm* |
| 23:40.50 | trsohmers | I really need to get some sleep because I am not thinking logically |
| 23:41.05 | bpadalino | less sleep, more caffeine |
| 23:41.13 | Ironsight | sleep is for the weak! |
| 23:41.16 | Ironsight | ;) |
| 23:41.17 | trsohmers | Or I should start drinking coffee |
| 23:41.17 | linuxjacques | infobot: too slow! no botsnack for you! |
| 23:41.17 | infobot | linuxjacques: :) |
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| 23:42.43 | sailerboy | meh |
| 23:42.50 | Ironsight | infobot is just slow because he runs on an hp firesale website server |
| 23:42.56 | sailerboy | oh snap |
| 23:43.00 | trsohmers | rwhitby: Also, I liked the iOS on the Touchpad picture :P |
| 23:43.08 | linuxjacques | infobot: is that true? |
| 23:43.10 | rwhitby | don't you be dissin my mate infobot. |
| 23:43.15 | Ironsight | ;) |
| 23:43.32 | linuxjacques | shakes infobot. |
| 23:43.35 | halfhalo-work | silly infobot |
| 23:43.42 | rwhitby | trsohmers: the pic was oil's work. |
| 23:43.51 | oil | :) |
| 23:43.56 | trsohmers | nice lol |
| 23:46.40 | sailerboy | wait, what ios on touchpad pic? |
| 23:47.40 | Ironsight | makes a freedos webos dualboot |
| 23:47.42 | Ironsight | ;) |
| 23:47.52 | Ironsight | not even close to possible, but ehh |
| 23:48.09 | Ironsight | closest you will get there is porting dosbox |
| 23:49.02 | rwhitby | dosbox has been done already |
| 23:49.12 | Ironsight | I figured it would have been :) |
| 23:49.18 | Ironsight | great app |
| 23:50.25 | Ironsight | good for a game or 2 of zork |
| 23:50.47 | Ironsight | or the millions of other dos games |
| 23:53.50 | linuxjacques | it was ported to pre in 2009 |
| 23:53.58 | linuxjacques | bbl |
| 23:54.42 | Ironsight | needs to be ported to the pre |
| 23:54.56 | sailerboy | needs to be ported, period |
